From tomray@wor710.com Thu Aug 05 09:12:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75921 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 16:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2004 16:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 16:12:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2004 16:11:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:11:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <09C09C0AED0518419ED09E022D3B3414011208F5@exvic3-mel.vic.csiro.au> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1115 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: {AMSF} Re: am stereo and fm stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Ian: I've sent things out to you and to Canada....neither arrived. If you once again email me off list with your address, please tell me what any customs declaration should state. I'll be our mailroom here didn't include anything for customs and it's hung up in the system. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Ray [mailto:tomray@w...] > Sent: Wednesday, 4 August 2004 1:31 AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: am stereo and fm stereo > > > The FM stereo standard calls for 45% main channel modulation, 45% > stereo difference, 10% stereo pilot. > > > Sorry to hear about your Mom. She's not having a good time of it with her eyes. > > You know over a month ago I responded to something WOR Tom posted about IBOC. And he publicly said to send my address off-list and he'd send me a CD of what he listens to (WOR etc in IBOC I expect) as he drives to work. > > I'm still waiting. Glad I didn't hold my breath ... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Aug 05 16:29:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89153 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 23:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2004 23:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 23:29:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2004 23:29:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 23:29:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1046 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.133 Subject: {AMSF} Re: am stereo and fm stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'll have to pull out the Harmon Kardon components. My memory is > that I couldn't tell the difference between the tuner being set to > mono and the pre-amp being set to mono. That's because the extra noise from a weak FM Stereo signal is all in the L-R stereo difference component, which gets eliminated when you combine the Left & Right channels. I'm surprised that most FM Stereo tuners don't offer "high blend", which greatly reduces the background hiss while still preserving full stereo separation at lower frequencies. Instead, most FM Stereo tuners just use full-range stereo blend, which means weaker signals are received with little or no stereo separation. In fact many car radios are set to blend everything except the strongest FM signals to mono. My VW's factory radio was like that, but thankfully it includes a trimmer to adjust the stereo-blend threshold; I set it so that only the weakest signals are blended to mono. I'd rather have full stereo that is a little hissy, than listen to mono most of the time. From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Aug 05 16:34:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14059 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 23:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2004 23:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao08.cox.net) (68.230.241.31) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 23:34:51 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040805233449.FDYN26088.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:34:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:34:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0B0B8954-E738-11D8-82BE-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.31 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: am stereo and fm stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The worst ones are those that not only blend, they also cut the highs=20 out. Luckily, none of my current radios do that, but cheap ones in the=20 past sure did. On Thursday, August 5, 2004, at 04:29 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > I'll have to pull out the Harmon Kardon components. My memory is > > that I couldn't tell the difference between the tuner being set to > > mono and the pre-amp being set to mono. > > That's because the extra noise from a weak FM Stereo signal is all in > the L-R stereo difference component, which gets eliminated when you > combine the Left & Right channels. > > I'm surprised that most FM Stereo tuners don't offer "high blend", > which greatly reduces the background hiss while still preserving full > stereo separation at lower frequencies.=A0 Instead, most FM Stereo > tuners just use full-range stereo blend, which means weaker signals > are received with little or no stereo separation. > > In fact many car radios are set to blend everything except the > strongest FM signals to mono.=A0 My VW's factory radio was like that, > but thankfully it includes a trimmer to adjust the stereo-blend > threshold; I set it so that only the weakest signals are blended to > mono.=A0 I'd rather have full stereo that is a little hissy, than > listen to mono most of the time. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Aug 05 16:45:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5902 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 23:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2004 23:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 23:45:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2004 23:45:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 23:45:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1728 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.133 Subject: Re: am stereo and fm stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If you leave the receiver in stereo mode and kick the amp to mono, > you will still have the noise issue, as the receiver is still > looking at the stereo difference signal, but the amp is simply > taking the left channel and right channel from the receiver and > combining them to mono. Big difference. Not really. Either way, the extra noise is only coming from the L-R stereo difference component. So if you eliminate the L-R component, the noise is eliminated as well. This can be done by either switching the receiver to mono (so that it doesn't decode the L-R component in the first place), or by switching the amplifier to mono (which eliminates the L-R component by blending the two channels together). And as long as the receiver's de-multiplexing is properly calibrated, the end result is the same either way. There _is_ a difference, however, if you produce your desired "mono" audio by only taking a single channel (Left or Right) from the receiver. Some headphones with a "Mono/Stereo" switch are like this; switching it to "mono" doesn't actually blend the two channels together, it just pipes the Left channel into both earpieces. And in that case, a signal being received in FM Stereo mode would be noisier (more hiss) than with the receiver switched into mono mode. Speaking of which, I've been in a two-room office with background music from an FM tuner being fed to ceiling speakers in each room. One room is connected to the receiver's Left channel, while the other room gets the Right channel audio. So when a song like "Please Please Me" or "I Got You (I Feel Good)" comes on the radio, you either hear only the voices or only the band, depending on which room you're in! From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Aug 05 18:44:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92623 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2004 01:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2004 01:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2004 01:44:41 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.151] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:44:28 -0600 Message-ID: <000801c47b57$25ebd440$d503fea9@home1> To: , Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:46:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2004 01:44:29.0118 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9AEFDE0:01C47B56] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Motorola 1400 available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit saw this posted on a ham website- the guy will either sell outright or trade for a ham rig: http://amfone.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2133 Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Aug 05 21:40:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42430 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2004 04:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2004 04:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2004 04:40:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2004 04:39:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 04:39:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c47b57$25ebd440$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 456 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.1 Subject: Re: Motorola 1400 available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > saw this posted on a ham website- the guy will either sell outright > or trade for a ham rig: > > http://amfone.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2133 The seller is an engineer for Entercom in Denver, and he mentions that the exciter is tuned to 1430 kHz, so it's from 1430 KEZW, which discontinued AM Stereo a few years ago in favor of Kahn Power-Side. Thus I wonder if they'd have any interest in using Kahn Cam-D, if/when that system becomes viable. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 06 01:53:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21698 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2004 08:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2004 08:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2004 08:53:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2004 08:52:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 08:52:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1161 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.1 Subject: OT: 20th Century Masters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I just got a promo disc from the "20th Century Masters" collection. Thankfully it was free, because had I paid anything for it, it wouldn't been a rip-off... every track on the CD sounds like it's been put through a cranked-up Optimod FM and composite clipper. That's fine if you're playing it on a boom-box at a pool party... but in a more personal setting, the non-defeatable processing quickly becomes annoyingly "in-your-face" and ruins any sense of dynamic range that the songs were originally recorded with. Hopefully some day, this kind of heavy-handed audio mastering will go out of fashion, but until then, I'm glad I have on hand many of the original albums these songs were released on. Case in point: I've never been able to find a CD re-release of the Eagles' classic album "Hotel California" which sounds as good as the original LP. I even tried the recent DVD Audio version, which is easily the worst of them all, as its "surround sound" mix very unnaturally puts you in the center of the band, with the voices and instruments surrounding you. IMO, surround sound is great for movies, but for music, it just doesn't make sense. From dav259@csiro.au Fri Aug 06 02:55:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99314 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2004 09:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2004 09:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail3.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.14) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2004 09:55:43 -0000 Received: from csiromail3.vic.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with SMTP id F180454045; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:55:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by csiromail3.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3D654044; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:55:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i769tdfB018576; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:55:40 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:55:39 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Tom Ray Cc: amstereoforum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.2.14 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: am stereo and fm stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 G'day Tom I must apologies about my message below. It wasn't intended to be public and wasn't even supposed to go to you. Thankfully I expect to most people it "went through to the keeper" (Oz cricket expression). I have at times argued against you on the AMS Forum as I realise that you have an agenda - and it's different to ours. But I totally understand your position and I respect the way you go about it. I'm sure WOR is very fortunate to have a talented techo who is willing to spread the word for what they're about - especially beyond the call of duty and in his own time. I am a radio junkie. I love it - mostly because it's live and local - well it certainly is in Melbourne. I'm not into impressive technical standards. All I know is what I hear. And in my 50 years of listening to radio the massive highlight has been AM stereo. But it is a personal opinion in the respect that I've never liked the programming of any commercial FM stations here. I really admire you for standing up for what you believe in ... and are doing. I wish digital radio would arrive here. If I like the sound of your CD I'll publicly admit it. Regulations here aren't bad at all. You only need to say CD, gift, no commercial value. My address is: Ian Davidson CSIRO Minerals Box 312 Clayton South Vic 3169 Australia I'm sort of glad I made that faux pas as I really would like to hear what WOR sounds like. Good luck to you and WOR. And God bless Radio! Ian __________________________________ On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, Tom Ray wrote: > Ian: > > I've sent things out to you and to Canada....neither arrived. If you > once again email me off list with your address, please tell me what > any customs declaration should state. I'll be our mailroom here > didn't include anything for customs and it's hung up in the system. > > Tom Ray > WOR > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Ray [mailto:tomray@w...] > > Sent: Wednesday, 4 August 2004 1:31 AM > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: am stereo and fm stereo > > > > > > The FM stereo standard calls for 45% main channel modulation, 45% > > stereo difference, 10% stereo pilot. > > > > > > Sorry to hear about your Mom. She's not having a good time of it > with her eyes. > > > > You know over a month ago I responded to something WOR Tom posted > about IBOC. And he publicly said to send my address off-list and > he'd send me a CD of what he listens to (WOR etc in IBOC I expect) as > he drives to work. > > > > I'm still waiting. Glad I didn't hold my breath ... > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Davidson _--_|\ home: 03 9534 8786 41 Smith Street / \ work: 03 9545 8717 St. Kilda Beach Vic 3182 \_.--.*/ mobile: 0421 453 852 Australia v ian.davidson@csiro.au ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jeffdeck@aol.com Fri Aug 06 03:27:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17987 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2004 10:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2004 10:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2004 10:27:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2004 10:27:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 10:27:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1908 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 24.210.97.17 Subject: Re: am stereo and fm stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Tom, I must correct some inaccuracies with this posting. You write, > Sometimes it depends on the receiver, but normally, when you kick >the receiver into mono, the receiver is then only looking at the >main channel, 0-15kHz. So you eliminate the issue of noise since >you are no longer looking at the stereo pilot and the region above >it. The same as a station transmitting a mono only signal. Typically in a well-designed tuner, when you select the FM mono switch, you kill the oscillator inside the stereo decoder. At this point, the decoder does not "listen" to the 19kHz pilot tone or the audio region above it, since there is not an oscillator signal to phase lock the loop. Theoretically, there is an immediate 23dB mprovement in the recovered audio. Depending on the post filtering used, the ultrasonic audio frequencies will still be delivered to the amplifier, in a severely reduced manner (due to the de-emphasis circuitry) however you will not hear it with your ears. Then you write, > If you leave the receiver in stereo mode and kick the amp to mono, >you will still have the noise issue, as the receiver is still >looking at the stereo difference signal, but the amp is simply >taking the left channel and right channel from the receiver and >combining them to mono. Big difference. Actually, this has very little difference. Remember that the stereo subchannel noise will be out of phase in the left and right channels of the FM stereo decoder chip, since there is not an equivalent main channel audio noise to cancel inside the matrix. Therefore, bridging the left and right channels inside the stereo amplifier effectively cancels this L-R out-of-phase noise. If you bridge the left and right audio outputs in the amplifier to mono, the noise is reduced, as if you had killed the oscillator inside the stereo decoder. Sincerely, Jeff Deck http://meduci.com From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Aug 07 15:44:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53303 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2004 22:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2004 22:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2004 22:44:08 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.17.34] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 7 Aug 2004 16:42:32 -0600 Message-ID: <000801c47cd0$1325c260$d503fea9@home1> To: , Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:44:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2004 22:42:33.0356 (UTC) FILETIME=[D43564C0:01C47CCF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: KYMN news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A week ago yesterday I was removing the old Collins 300G standby transmitter and noticed they still had their AM stereo gear. The exciter was sitting on top of the old main Gates 1G, plugged in and turned on, but not hooked to anything, and the mod monitor was in the racks, disconnected. Both are modified Harris units. Sitting loose on a counter was their old CRL SMP-900. I called their engineer to inquire about it and they want to hang onto it. Their new processor is an Omnia AM3, so it's not impossible they may resume stereo operation. *WHEN* is a good question, but it looks as though it's not out of the realm of possibility. Right now they have only a mono equalized line STL as there's no line of sight to their new studios in town. If they ever go T-1 instead they could be stereo within days. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sun Aug 08 12:28:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18029 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2004 19:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2004 19:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 19:28:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2004 19:28:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 19:28:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2793 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "dbdigital2004" X-Originating-IP: 69.3.210.90 Subject: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II > wrote: > > I'm sorry but LOL. > > The colllective bird! I love it! > > They're like screw the radio. I want my Ipod! > > LOL > > It isn't that far-fetched, if you have a clue to what the teen & > college-age markets are really listening to! > > For starters, the youth in America today listen to much the same as > what the European youth listen to- Techno, and lots of it. The > difference is, techno is easily marketed in Europe whereas here, the > music industry has been quite adverse to market it. It comes from > t5his attitude of playing it safe, not rocking the boat, etc. The > music industry has gotten too bland, and with the very limited > playlists issued by very few broadcast corporations, all sticking to > strictly mainstream stuff, whatever the genre actually is, and you > have a recipe for disaster. > > The RIAA is not getting its sales because no-one wants to hear the > music, so let's blame the MP3 downloaders for stealing the music no- > one's really interested in! > > The broadcasters get shafted, since they're required by royalty > contract to play only RIAA music, and no-one wants to tune in, and > non-RIAA music rocks the boat, as it were, so... Blame the MP3 > downloaders for listening to stuff they're not licensed to broadcast! > > Is it really that bad? > > Yep. > > And they still have no clue what the public wants- They stopped > request lines, they stopped CD single sales.... What next? > > There literally is no such thing as "Top 40" any more in America. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ As a sort of follow up to last week's discussion, the Orange County Register did an informal survey of OC teens as to their favorite radio station. Number one choice? BBC Radio 1 which the kids listen to via the internet. The station plays alternative and dance music which somewhat coincides with what Amy said about teens listening to techno and music that is not the usual standard pop fare. But here again, the newspaper's radio columnist pointed out that radio listening as a whole is down among teens. One girl said, "I don't listen to the radio nearly as much as I listen to my CD's. The main problem is that they play the same songs over and over again on KROQ (which was voted #2), always Linkin park, always Franz Ferdinand, always the Beastie Boys." I also think it's interesting that teens have no problem listening to internet radio. Given the expanding infrastructure of WiFi, if a hand-held device could be made that can receive internet radio, it might breathe new life into a medium that media giants, by virture of their own greed, seem intent on killing. db From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 08 17:38:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34251 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 00:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2004 00:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 00:38:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2004 00:37:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 00:37:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1625 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.84 Subject: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" wrote: > I also think it's interesting that teens have no problem listening to internet radio. Given > the expanding infrastructure of WiFi, if a hand-held device could be made that can receive > internet radio, it might breathe new life into a medium that media giants, by virture of > their own greed, seem intent on > killing. They already exist- There are a number of PDAs, both Palm and Pocket PC, as well as internet-ready cellphones usually having one of those OSes or similar (Symbian, for example), that have access to WiFi either as an accessory or already built in- as my current PDA, a Pocket PC with Windows Mobile 2003, with built-in WiFi AND Bluetooth. With Windows Media Player, RealPlayer Mobile, and several IceCast/SHOUTcast-capable MP3 players available, truly mobile internet radio is possible. The hangup, of course, is the need for WiFi coverage expansion. Some cities are already implementing city- wide public-access WiFi, such as in San Jose, California. Some wireless phone services already offer internet streaming at a premium. Several UK stations, including the plethora of BBC services, as well as Australia's ABC and Ireland's RTE, are some of the most popular internet radio services available online. The BBC's internet service became so popular this side of "the Pond", that the BBC decided to shut off shortwave services to North America to cut losses, particularly since shortwave as the lowest per-capita audience in North America, compared to elsewhere around the world. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sun Aug 08 19:35:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75651 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 02:35:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2004 02:35:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 02:35:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2004 02:34:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 02:34:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2074 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "dbdigital2004" X-Originating-IP: 69.3.210.90 Subject: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" > wrote: > > > I also think it's interesting that teens have no problem listening > to internet radio. Given > > the expanding infrastructure of WiFi, if a hand-held device could > be made that can receive > > internet radio, it might breathe new life into a medium that media > giants, by virture of > > their own greed, seem intent on > > killing. > > They already exist- There are a number of PDAs, both Palm and Pocket > PC, as well as internet-ready cellphones usually having one of those > OSes or similar (Symbian, for example), that have access to WiFi > either as an accessory or already built in- as my current PDA, a > Pocket PC with Windows Mobile 2003, with built-in WiFi AND Bluetooth. > > With Windows Media Player, RealPlayer Mobile, and several > IceCast/SHOUTcast-capable MP3 players available, truly mobile > internet radio is possible. The hangup, of course, is the need for > WiFi coverage expansion. Some cities are already implementing city- > wide public-access WiFi, such as in San Jose, California. > > Some wireless phone services already offer internet streaming at a > premium. > > Several UK stations, including the plethora of BBC services, as well > as Australia's ABC and Ireland's RTE, are some of the most popular > internet radio services available online. The BBC's internet service > became so popular this side of "the Pond", that the BBC decided to > shut off shortwave services to North America to cut losses, > particularly since shortwave as the lowest per-capita audience in > North America, compared to elsewhere around the world. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Yes, I realize that devices like Palm Pilots and the like exist. What I was thinking about was a relatively inexpensive internet device that works more like a radio with added capacity of downloading and playing music, but nothing more. Not a bulky, Swiss Army- like device such as a Pocket PC. db From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 08 20:54:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80799 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 03:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2004 03:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 03:54:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2004 03:54:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 03:54:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1661 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.84 Subject: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" wrote: > Yes, I realize that devices like Palm Pilots and the like exist. What I was thinking about > was a relatively inexpensive internet device that works more like a radio with added > capacity of downloading and playing music, but nothing more. Not a bulky, Swiss Army- > like device such as a Pocket PC. Don't knock the newer Pocket PCs- They're powerful and useful. :) Now, what you describe would be more like a WiFi-capable version of the iPod, which is not impossible, and I'm surprised none of the MP3- player manufacturers have gone for it, and operate such a device like one of those portable wireless email-only machines- All is needed is a WiFi sniffer that looks for open WiFi networks (a growing number of communities around tr5he world are launching such community-wide WiFi networks) and connect to them using inexpensive dedicated internet- server and WiFi chips. Next, would be scoring the rights to use WMA, RealAudio and MP3 streaming. Such a device might initially sell for $200, not like my upper-low- end ASUS Pocket PC, 400MHz, with both CF and SD cards, WiFi & Bluetooth, and a 19-hour battery that I paid $500 for- For me, a Pocket PC is one of THE handiest devices I have ever owned, even before I had WiFi. The current trend now is for OS-enabled "smartphones"- Cellphones with PDA OSes built-in for internet and game access. In some polaces, internet radio is quite popular on these internet-capable phones. It's already happening. Just that we Americans lag behind much of the world in this level of tech savviness. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Mon Aug 09 11:19:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14903 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 18:19:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2004 18:19:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.183) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 18:19:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:18:54 -0700 Received: from 205.240.42.124 by bay22-dav3.bay22.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 18:18:53 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:19:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2004 18:18:54.0011 (UTC) FILETIME=[53F868B0:01C47E3D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.183 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [205.240.42.124] Subject: (/\/\)otorola 1400 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hi, Anybody know anything about the 1400 AMSE? Value? Quirks? I presently own a 1300, but i'm also looking at the 1400 this guy has. Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Aug 09 15:28:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85855 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 22:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2004 22:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 22:28:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2004 22:28:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 22:28:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 366 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.16.101 Subject: Re: I wonder how this will compare to my SRF-42.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5712220637 > > I guess I'll have to wait till it arrives to find out. :) Very nice but are you / is anyone sure this has am stereo ? I bought a mint condition Aiwa JX879 from ebay a few months but no am stereo :-( From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Aug 09 15:31:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57303 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 22:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2004 22:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 22:31:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2004 22:31:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 22:31:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 97 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.16.101 Subject: All X-band stations must be am stereo ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Is this true ? If so I doubt the rule is 100% applied now or ever has been ? How many are ams ? From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon Aug 09 17:20:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37789 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2004 00:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2004 00:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2004 00:20:20 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.150] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:20:18 -0600 Message-ID: <001b01c47e70$13320a60$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:22:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2004 00:20:19.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[D19689F0:01C47E6F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: iPod vs. radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude So just what is the throughput of one of these wi-fi networks? At some point they have to connect to copper, then your limitations come into play. A T-1 has the capability for 23 voice channels, or however much data can be squeezed into the equivalent; a DS-3 is something like three T-1s. Even at those rates you'd reach a saturation point rather rapidly. This was discussed a few months ago on the radiotech forum. And privacy with wireless... let's just say many of us here could protect ourselves, but the average shlep might only know enough to do what they want to get done, not enough to know what they NEED to have done. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > (a growing number of > communities around tr5he world are launching such community-wide WiFi > networks) and connect to them using inexpensive dedicated internet- > server and WiFi chips. Next, would be scoring the rights to use WMA, > RealAudio and MP3 streaming. From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon Aug 09 17:28:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94630 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2004 00:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2004 00:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2004 00:27:59 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.150] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:27:52 -0600 Message-ID: <004301c47e71$21d79fc0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:29:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2004 00:27:53.0509 (UTC) FILETIME=[E023B550:01C47E70] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} All X-band stations must be am stereo ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It's never been true. Stations that indicated they'd be stereo were awarded extra points in a comparative hearing if there were more than one applicant for an EB freq. If you had no competition and didn't offer stereo, you could still have won the license anyway and be mono. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" > Is this true ? If so I doubt the rule is 100% applied now or ever has > been ? How many are ams ? > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon Aug 09 17:30:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93286 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2004 00:30:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2004 00:30:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2004 00:30:19 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.150] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:30:17 -0600 Message-ID: <004701c47e71$77f89300$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:31:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2004 00:30:17.0995 (UTC) FILETIME=[364285B0:01C47E71] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} (/\/\)otorola 1400 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude From folks I've talked to they've told me the 1400 is a major improvement over the 1300 in terms of less distortion and being a bit easier to set up. If you're thinking of the one I posted, it would be well worth the money if it's within your budget. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" To: Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: {AMSF} (/\/\)otorola 1400 > Hi, > > Anybody know anything about the 1400 AMSE? Value? Quirks? I presently own a > 1300, but i'm also looking at the 1400 this guy has. > > Thanks, > > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis > Universal Life Ministries [ULC] > > 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo > 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 09 18:08:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4433 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2004 01:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2004 01:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52407.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.115) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2004 01:08:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20040809233337.49336.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.125] by web52407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 16:33:37 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:33:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.115 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} All X-band stations must be am stereo ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Dave wrote: > Is this true ? No. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Aug 09 19:05:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 45912 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2004 02:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2004 02:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2004 02:05:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2004 02:05:49 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34638 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 23:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2004 23:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 23:19:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2004 23:19:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:19:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 755 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: I wonder how this will compare to my SRF-42.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Aug 2004 02:05:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5712220637 > > > > I guess I'll have to wait till it arrives to find out. :) > > Very nice but are you / is anyone sure this has am stereo ? > > I bought a mint condition Aiwa JX879 from ebay a few months but no am > stereo :-( http://i9.ebayimg.com/01/i/02/32/81/33_3.JPG do you see the "am st" light below the LCD? http://i2.ebayimg.com/02/i/02/35/46/1c_3.JPG notice the mono/st mode switch has FM *AND* AM? Since it has an AM (with FM) stereo/mono switch, AND an am stereo light, I would assume it would be AM Stereo. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 09 19:08:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54542 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2004 02:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2004 02:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2004 02:08:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2004 02:08:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 02:08:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 751 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 65.237.110.28 Subject: Re: I wonder how this will compare to my SRF-42.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > http://i9.ebayimg.com/01/i/02/32/81/33_3.JPG > do you see the "am st" light below the LCD? > > http://i2.ebayimg.com/02/i/02/35/46/1c_3.JPG > notice the mono/st mode switch has FM *AND* AM? > > Since it has an AM (with FM) stereo/mono switch, AND an am stereo > light, I would assume it would be AM Stereo. Yup -- that's definitely an AM Stereo/FM Stereo receiver. Looks like a nice unit, too, except too bad the Dolby B NR only works for playback, not recording. But it at least has a switchable oscillator, which you don't see on tape decks too often anymore -- that allows you to change the tape recorder's oscillator frequency, in case one of the two settings is making a whistle or whine when you're trying to record from AM radio. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 09 19:10:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35749 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2004 02:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2004 02:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2004 02:10:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2004 02:09:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 02:09:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 173 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 65.237.110.28 Subject: KYST / Radio Alegria X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Anybody know if this station is still in AM Stereo? They're on 920 kHz in Texas City, Texas, with a Spanish language format. http://home.rgv.rr.com/starfreak777/kys2.jpg From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 09 20:43:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91918 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2004 03:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2004 03:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51605.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.210) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2004 03:43:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20040810034339.59469.qmail@web51605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.237.110.28] by web51605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:43:39 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:43:39 -0700 (PDT) To: radio-tech@broadcast.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.210 From: "Kevin T." Subject: AMAX audio samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics These audio samples were recorded from my "new" Denon TU-680NAB tuner, which just arrived today! For both, I had it in wide-bandwidth mode, using a Terk "AM Advantage" loop antenna. 1170 WWTR Bridgewater, NJ - AM mono Classic Oldies (strong local signal, TX site about 6 miles away): ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/upload-here-please/wwtr.wav 1680 WTTM Princeton, NJ - AM Stereo South Asian music (moderate signal strength, TX site about 20 miles away): ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/upload-here-please/wttm.wav __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Aug 09 23:23:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28759 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2004 06:23:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2004 06:23:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao02.cox.net) (68.230.241.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2004 06:23:35 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040810062132.KDFN7022.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 02:21:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:21:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <86F9F99F-EA95-11D8-B31D-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.37 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Scott X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner http://hhscott.com/e_h_scott_2.htm From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Aug 10 16:43:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1570 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2004 23:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2004 23:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.2) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2004 23:43:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:42:59 -0700 Received: from 209.240.205.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:42:59 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:42:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2004 23:42:59.0874 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5056020:01C47F33] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.11.2 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.62] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Scott X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Richard, Thanks for that interesting link to the story of E H Scott and his remarkable tuners. http://hhscott.com/e_h_scott_2.htm I wonder how many of his receivers are still around waiting to be discovered.... perhaps in someone's attic or a thrift shop or an atique shop? Sounds as though it was the "Fanfare" of it's day. Donn St Petersburg From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 19:54:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42450 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2004 02:54:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2004 02:54:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 02:54:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2004 02:54:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:54:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 223 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 65.229.232.151 Subject: New 1450 WCTC audio sample X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here's an audio sample of the marvelous WCTC 1450 AM Stereo, as received on the equally marvelous Denon TU-680NAB today: ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/upload-here-please/wctc8-04.mp3 Coming soon... more of 1680 WTTM! From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Aug 10 19:58:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77695 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2004 02:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2004 02:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao12.cox.net) (68.230.241.27) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 02:58:48 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040811025846.IST19941.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:58:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:58:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5EC73A6E-EB42-11D8-AD39-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.27 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Scott X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I found it interesting. Funny, I found the story while searching for=20 info on a couple FM multiplex adapters I have (and am considering=20 selling on eBay). Richard On Tuesday, August 10, 2004, at 04:42 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > > > > > Richard, > > Thanks for that interesting link to the story of E H Scott and his > remarkable tuners. > > http://hhscott.com/e_h_scott_2.htm > > I wonder how many of his receivers are still around waiting to be > discovered.... perhaps in someone's attic or a thrift shop or an atique > shop? > > Sounds as though it was the "Fanfare" of it's day. > > Donn > St Petersburg > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 20:08:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86921 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2004 03:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2004 03:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51602.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.207) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 03:08:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20040811030809.68786.qmail@web51602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.229.232.151] by web51602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:08:09 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:08:09 -0700 (PDT) To: radio-tech@broadcast.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.207 From: "Kevin T." Subject: WSB IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com : "Currently Cox stations airing the analog/digital signal include WSB(AM) and WSB(FM) in Atlanta and WEDR(FM) in Miami." Can anyone confirm or deny that 750 WSB (AM) is actually transmitting an IBOC signal? I know they might have run some tests of it in the past, but I haven't heard anything about them turning it on for normal broadcasts. And although iBiquity includes 750 WSB on their list of IBOC stations, that list cannot be trusted to be 100% accurate because they also list WWDB in Philadelphia and WPAT and WZRC in NYC as using IBOC, when I can personally verify that these three stations are _not_ using it -- not even on a part- time basis. Also, via my nighttime skywave listening here in NJ, WSB's audio seems to be the full NRSC-spec 10 kHz, whereas all the known AM IBOC stations I've heard restrict their nighttime (analog-only) audio bandwidth to 6 kHz or less. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 20:21:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72967 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2004 03:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2004 03:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51608.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.213) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 03:21:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20040811032156.85551.qmail@web51608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.229.232.151] by web51608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:21:56 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:21:56 -0700 (PDT) To: radio-tech@broadcast.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.213 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Optimod 9100-B2 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I have no relation to the seller... I just spotted it and thought someone here might be interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3741435143 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From starship_2001@msn.com Wed Aug 11 06:00:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87431 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2004 13:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2004 13:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.172.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 13:00:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 05:59:59 -0700 Received: from 209.240.207.112 by bay5-dav1.bay5.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:59:58 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:59:58 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <10253-411A184E-465@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 11 Aug 2004 11:59:13 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2004 12:59:59.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B766FC0:01C47FA3] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.172.105 X-eGroups-From: starship_2001@msn.com (Norbert 26) From: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: [209.240.207.112] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1285 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 > Richard, > Thanks for that interesting link to the > story of E H Scott and his remarkable > tuners. > http://hhscott.com/e_h_scott_2.htm > I wonder how many of his receivers are > still around waiting to be > discovered.... perhaps in someone's > attic or a thrift shop or an atique > shop? > Sounds as though it was the "Fanfare" of > it's day. > Donn > St Petersburg > --- If iBiquity gets their way they best be discovered soon. The way things seem to be heading with IBOC and HD radio there are some broadcasters who can't wait for the day they can turn off analog and use the bandwidth for something else. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Aug 11 11:00:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24799 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2004 18:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2004 18:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 18:00:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20040811180013.76912.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:00:13 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:00:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.70 From: "John P." Subject: Clear Channel Engineer Wakes Up and Smells The Coffee X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio It looks like the Clear Channel engineer down at WLW / WSAI realized that his two 50KW AM stations might end-up with IBOC noise, and actually commented to the FCC about it! At the FCC ECFS website, search the usual Docket 99-325 and you will find Reply Comments dated 08/02/04 from Clear Channel. He actually talks about the AM adjacent channel interference and how to define it. Reality might have actually hit Clear Channel's Engineer - he'll probably get fired now, not realizing CC has money invested in iBiquity's white noise machines. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Wed Aug 11 12:57:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75591 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2004 19:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2004 19:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-out.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 19:57:29 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by smtp-out.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A9B721043764 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A20A10455C5 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040811155827.027b04c8@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:58:55 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040811180013.76912.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.71 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Clear Channel Engineer Wakes Up and Smells The Coffee X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where can I find this at? Where is the FCC web site with the dockets? Thanks,J ohn At 11:00 AM 8/11/2004 -0700, you wrote: >It looks like the Clear Channel engineer down at WLW / WSAI realized that his >two 50KW AM stations might end-up with IBOC noise, and actually commented to >the FCC about it! >At the FCC ECFS website, search the usual Docket 99-325 and you will find Reply >Comments dated 08/02/04 from Clear Channel. He actually talks about the AM >adjacent channel interference and how to define it. Reality might have >actually hit Clear Channel's Engineer - he'll probably get fired now, not >realizing CC has money invested in iBiquity's white noise machines. > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > John Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Aug 11 13:26:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45181 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2004 20:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2004 20:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 20:26:10 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.179.40]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:31:11 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c47fe1$67365680$28b30642@4bmx301> To: Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:25:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Interesting info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Johnny Electron, Jeff Deck, and others that were in my address book before (I got a new computer, which wiped out all my old contacts), send me a private email:- I have some interesting news that cannot be made public yet- Thanks Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Aug 11 17:55:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28746 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 00:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2004 00:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 00:55:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20040812005540.21893.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.121] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:55:40 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:55:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040811030809.68786.qmail@web51602.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSB IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > From www.radioworld.com : > > "Currently Cox stations airing the analog/digital > signal include WSB(AM) > and WSB(FM) in Atlanta and WEDR(FM) in Miami." > Can anyone confirm or deny that 750 WSB (AM) is > actually transmitting an > IBOC signal? I know they might have run some tests > of it in the past, but > I haven't heard anything about them turning it on > for normal broadcasts. As of last night they had NOT turned it back on. Powell in Columbia SC 200 miles east of Atlanta... ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Aug 11 17:59:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74377 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 00:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2004 00:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52407.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.115) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 00:59:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20040812005936.85244.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.121] by web52407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:59:36 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:59:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040811180013.76912.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.115 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Clear Channel Engineer Wakes Up and Smells The Coffee X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "John P." wrote: > It looks like the Clear Channel engineer down at WLW > / WSAI realized that his > two 50KW AM stations might end-up with IBOC noise, > and actually commented to > the FCC about it! > At the FCC ECFS website, search the usual Docket > 99-325 and you will find Reply > Comments dated 08/02/04 from Clear Channel. He > actually talks about the AM > adjacent channel interference and how to define it. > Reality might have > actually hit Clear Channel's Engineer - he'll > probably get fired now, not > realizing CC has money invested in iBiquity's white > noise machines. This wasn't Paul Jellison perchance was it. He got promoted to Denver as the regional engineering director. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 11 18:16:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24006 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 01:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2004 01:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 01:16:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2004 01:14:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 01:14:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040811155827.027b04c8@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 445 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.144 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Clear Channel Engineer Wakes Up and Smells The Coffee X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Where can I find this at? > Where is the FCC web site with the dockets? 1. Go to: http://www.google.com 2. Type in: FCC ECFS and click "I'm Feeling Lucky" 3. Click on "Search for Filed Comments" 4. Under "Proceeding", type in: 99-325 and click "Retrieve Document List" The IBOC filings are then shown, newest ones listed first. They are all in PDF format, so Adobe Acrobat Reader is required (if you don't already have it installed). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Aug 12 01:48:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62249 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 08:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2004 08:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 08:48:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2004 08:48:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:48:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 295 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.4 Subject: AM Stereo promo banner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here is a newly created AM Stereo promotional banner. It is the standard 600x125 size, suitable for use as a "signature" image on message boards. This animated graphic is free for all to use and enjoy, in any manner you wish! http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/think.gif From dav259@csiro.au Thu Aug 12 02:26:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21304 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 09:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2004 09:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail2.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.13) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 09:26:31 -0000 Received: from csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015CF5400C; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:26:26 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64FF54014; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:26:25 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C9QPfB003052; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:26:25 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:26:25 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Cc: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.2.13 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo promo banner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Kevin T. wrote: > Here is a newly created AM Stereo promotional banner. It is the > standard 600x125 size, suitable for use as a "signature" image on > message boards. This animated graphic is free for all to use and > enjoy, in any manner you wish! > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/think.gif Congratulations Kevin It's bloody bonza!!! It's really stirred my heart. I've listened to AM stereo almost every day for the last 19 years - and as much as I'm thinking about an iPod and feeling a bit left out as we don't have satellite radio here - I love live and local radio. Things are grim in Oz. I'm labelled on our local radio newsgroup as being obsessed with AMS. Which I am. :) I just wish so many other radio lovers in Oz could share my listening pleasure. If only there was a way that we AMS warriors could all assemble at one site and give it one almighty last go. Any ideas??? I'm desperate enough to try anything. btw - at smoko today our Purchasing Officer showed me this little radio that some desperate prospective CSIRO supplier had given him for nothing in the hope of gaining CSIRO orders. It was a wonderful almost weightless thing which had a clever dial change function. You only hit 'search' to change a station - and it pathed up from the AM dial through the FM dial. It only stopped at clear stations. The sound was pretty cheap and empty and mono and I said to Stevo ... you said this was stereo. And he said ... it is - because the sound comes out of the middle of my head. God God! We have a long way to go. I'm starting to wonder how many people actually hear the separation which is so meaningful to us. Ian Melbourne From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 12 06:26:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30619 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 13:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2004 13:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 13:26:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20040812132629.40153.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 06:26:29 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 06:26:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.146 From: "John P." Subject: AM Stereo promo banner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio re:Subject: AM Stereo promo banner Here is a newly created AM Stereo promotional banner. ...very nice indeed...if you emailed it to Leonard Kahn he'd have a stroke, so don't do that, but it should be be great to send to all of the iBiquity's investors (ABC/Disney, Clear Channel - BUT without it being spam of any sort). Couldn't you go to your local broadcaster's website and go to their "contact us" link and then email them the link? That wouldn't be unsolicited, as it is a place where they are asking for your comments? Ask them to send it to their chief engineer! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Aug 12 12:05:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19754 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 19:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2004 19:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 19:05:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2004 19:05:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:05:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1870 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.169 Subject: Re: AM Stereo promo banner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie What I want to know is, WHAT "new" AMS receivers are out there? Yes, there is, of course, the Fanfare FT100, and a few Sonys still listed in their Japanese catalog (some of which are listed at Audiocubes, but they can get any that's available in a current catalog). But other than that, what IS new? It's actually EASIER to get a brand-new AMS exciter/transmitter in the US than it is to find a receiver made for the American market- This is because BE and Harris still make them. And the only radio on the American market....is the above-mentioned Fanfare FT100. I love AMS, I make no bones about it- I think AMS is fantastic, and certainly adds new life to one's radio listening experience. But as a viable tool, it's become legacy, and that's made me a sad mousie. All we can hope for are radios found on eBay, and someone willing to build or convert radios on demand, as well as have transmitting equipment for those who actually want them, even in this day. You aren't going to change the world with AMS, and it's not going to be a popular decision if you run a station- It can only be a labor of love for those who really want it, and I know there are a few broadcasters who do. Just a few. And listeners.... Ever see the bidding wars on eBay for AMS gear?? :) I love AM stereo. In the end, it's up to those of us who do, for AMS to survive. Damn Kahn. Damn Motorola. Damn iBiquity. Damn Clear Channel-- AM stereo is OURS, and it is up to US to make sure it survives. All I ask is, even against all the odds, do you want to help AMS survive, and not fall into either obscurity or just a fading memory? I hope you do, and I hope anyone seriously interested gives it their heartfelt best. I believe in AM stereo, REGARDLESS what analog AMS system is used. And I repeat: Because I love AM stereo. And I'm just a mouse. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Aug 12 12:12:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53663 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 19:12:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2004 19:12:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 19:12:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2004 19:11:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:11:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 713 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.169 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo promo banner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: [...] > The sound was pretty cheap and empty and mono and I said to Stevo ... you > said this was stereo. And he said ... it is - because the sound comes out > of the middle of my head. > > God God! We have a long way to go. I'm starting to wonder how many > people actually hear the separation which is so meaningful to us. It is so natural for us to take binaural listening for granted that for many, stereo is a non-issue. People don't really notice or care aout stereo. Heck, binaural sound theory wasn't even proposed until the 1880s- Much later than most scientific studies of the senses and perception. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Aug 12 13:20:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92769 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 20:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2004 20:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 20:20:23 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.56]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:25:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c480a9$b5c17780$38b10642@4bmx301> To: References: <20040812132629.40153.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:49:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo promo banner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is a great banner, and very professional looking!- I bet KCJJ would put that on their website.... Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Aug 12 16:14:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93770 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 23:14:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2004 23:14:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 23:14:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2004 23:14:17 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31599 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 09:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2004 09:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 09:34:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2004 09:34:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:34:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1627 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: I wonder how this will compare to my SRF-42.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Aug 2004 23:14:16 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 Just got it today, and so far have stereo on 792 (near 790 KABC), 1629 (near 1630 XEUT) and an intermittent light on 1170 (KCBQ). It didn't come with a manual, though, and I can't figure out how to convert it to 10kHz steps... I wonder if anyone can make any sense of these??? http://68.105.108.90:1180/stephen/amradio/aiwa_inside1.jpg http://68.105.108.90:1180/stephen/amradio/aiwa_inside2.jpg http://68.105.108.90:1180/stephen/amradio/aiwa_inside3a.jpg http://68.105.108.90:1180/stephen/amradio/aiwa_inside3b.jpg http://68.105.108.90:1180/stephen/amradio/aiwa_inside3c.jpg I can't seem to find any instruction manuals online for this model.... I would like to figure out how to convert it to 10kHz steps, and would like to explore whatever else the unit does... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > http://i9.ebayimg.com/01/i/02/32/81/33_3.JPG > > do you see the "am st" light below the LCD? > > > > http://i2.ebayimg.com/02/i/02/35/46/1c_3.JPG > > notice the mono/st mode switch has FM *AND* AM? > > > > Since it has an AM (with FM) stereo/mono switch, AND an am stereo > > light, I would assume it would be AM Stereo. > > Yup -- that's definitely an AM Stereo/FM Stereo receiver. Looks > like a nice unit, too, except too bad the Dolby B NR only works > for playback, not recording. But it at least has a switchable > oscillator, which you don't see on tape decks too often anymore -- > that allows you to change the tape recorder's oscillator frequency, > in case one of the two settings is making a whistle or whine when > you're trying to record from AM radio. From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Aug 12 18:46:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40223 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 01:46:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 01:46:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 01:46:11 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.168] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:45:49 -0600 Message-ID: <002701c480d7$8948f380$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:47:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2004 01:45:50.0011 (UTC) FILETIME=[42CA88B0:01C480D7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I wonder how this will compare to my SRF-42.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude KCBQ is definitely mono- I've got their old mod monitor, and Kevin T has their stereo generator. The SG walked away some time ago. Nobody from the Salem crew could find it when I asked for the monitor, but it showed up some months later on ebay. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > Just got it today, and so far have stereo on 792 (near 790 KABC), 1629 > (near 1630 XEUT) and an intermittent light on 1170 (KCBQ). > From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Aug 12 18:48:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31158 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 01:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 01:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 01:48:51 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.168] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:48:39 -0600 Message-ID: <003101c480d7$eed559a0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:50:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2004 01:48:40.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[A84B7D20:01C480D7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo promo banner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Cool presentation, there, Kevin. Haven't been to bnet for a few days- did you post it there? That would get exposure to a lot of the engineer types. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > Here is a newly created AM Stereo promotional banner. It is the > standard 600x125 size, suitable for use as a "signature" image on > message boards. This animated graphic is free for all to use and > enjoy, in any manner you wish! > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/think.gif > From kya1260@lycos.com Thu Aug 12 18:49:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82229 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 01:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 01:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 01:49:29 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 98FD2180046F for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 01:49:19 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 13 Aug 2004 01:49:19 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7EF32C610C; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 01:49:19 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [69.108.217.204] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:49:19 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amymousie@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:49:19 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040813014919.7EF32C610C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Jay Arnold" X-Originating-IP: 69.108.217.204 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo promo banner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Amy Mousie sez: > All I ask is, even against all the odds, do you want to help AMS > survive, and not fall into either obscurity or just a fading memory? > > I hope you do, and I hope anyone seriously interested gives it their > heartfelt best. > > I believe in AM stereo, REGARDLESS what analog AMS system is used. > > And I repeat: Because I love AM stereo. > > And I'm just a mouse. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I believe in AM Stereo too...even though we're only broadcasting five hours a week musically in AM stereo (it's 'talk' the rest of the week), KVON 1440 in Napa sounds great; many of those 1950s/60s pop/rock songs I play on my Saturday Night oldies show just stand out when heard in AM stereo... The banner that Kevin's made available is awesome, BTW... I promote the website < http://www.amstereoradio.com > on my show; Is there anyone with other sites you wish to recommend the "layperson" who'd like detailed, specific information on this genre? Thanks to all... --Jay Arnold KVON 1440 AM Stereo KVYN Morning Personality Napa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:05:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo promo banner > What I want to know is, WHAT "new" AMS receivers are out there? Yes, > there is, of course, the Fanfare FT100, and a few Sonys still listed > in their Japanese catalog (some of which are listed at Audiocubes, > but they can get any that's available in a current catalog). > > But other than that, what IS new? > > It's actually EASIER to get a brand-new AMS exciter/transmitter in > the US than it is to find a receiver made for the American market- > This is because BE and Harris still make them. And the only radio on > the American market....is the above-mentioned Fanfare FT100. > > I love AMS, I make no bones about it- I think AMS is fantastic, and > certainly adds new life to one's radio listening experience. > > But as a viable tool, it's become legacy, and that's made me a sad > mousie. > > All we can hope for are radios found on eBay, and someone willing to > build or convert radios on demand, as well as have transmitting > equipment for those who actually want them, even in this day. > > You aren't going to change the world with AMS, and it's not going to > be a popular decision if you run a station- It can only be a labor of > love for those who really want it, and I know there are a few > broadcasters who do. Just a few. And listeners.... Ever see the > bidding wars on eBay for AMS gear?? :) > > I love AM stereo. > > In the end, it's up to those of us who do, for AMS to survive. > > Damn Kahn. Damn Motorola. Damn iBiquity. Damn Clear Channel-- AM > stereo is OURS, and it is up to US to make sure it survives. > > All I ask is, even against all the odds, do you want to help AMS > survive, and not fall into either obscurity or just a fading memory? > > I hope you do, and I hope anyone seriously interested gives it their > heartfelt best. > > I believe in AM stereo, REGARDLESS what analog AMS system is used. > > And I repeat: Because I love AM stereo. > > And I'm just a mouse. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Aug 12 18:55:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77959 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 01:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 01:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 01:55:44 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.168] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:55:41 -0600 Message-ID: <003b01c480d8$ea86a380$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:57:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2004 01:55:42.0528 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3F57400:01C480D8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo promo banner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude All it takes is money, my good mousie. There are a lot of profitable home businesses, plus stuff like Wade Cook, which is a course to train you to find stocks that have a regular rise and fall cycle where you can predictably buy and sell and thus make a fair chunk of change. Unfortunately I work 40 hours a week and spend the better part of three hours in traffic on top of that. But those with a little less draconian schedules should look into these. One of these years I'll reset that AM stereo generator to 980 and see if I can drive the transmitter we're not using at the moment, though the Gates 5 requires only a few volts to do it. Hopefully that BE exciter will go that low. Getting stereo audio processing might be a challenge... Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > All I ask is, even against all the odds, do you want to help AMS > survive, and not fall into either obscurity or just a fading memory? > > I hope you do, and I hope anyone seriously interested gives it their > heartfelt best. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Aug 12 20:33:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59765 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 03:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 03:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 03:33:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2004 03:33:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 03:32:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003b01c480d8$ea86a380$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1075 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.1 Subject: Re: AM Stereo promo banner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > One of these years I'll reset that AM stereo generator to 980 and > see if I can drive the transmitter we're not using at the moment, > though the Gates 5 requires only a few volts to do it. Hopefully > that BE exciter will go that low. Getting stereo audio processing > might be a challenge... Aside from used CRL gear, the simplest way to obtain 100% NRSC- compliant AM Stereo audio processing is with two Inovonics 222's, linked together via the Stereo Couple jack on the rear panel. Two Hnat Hindes "Tri-Maze" units may be used, with similar results. This discrete-channel setup does not provide matrix processing, but while matrix processing is certainly beneficial to a C-Quam station, it is not _necessary_. What was once New York City's leading 50,000-watt AM Stereo music station, 1560 WQEW, broadcasted for years using an Aphex Compellor and a pair of Tri-Mazes as their audio processing. Their audio didn't "jump out at you", like what an Optimod 9100 can produce, but it was crisp, clear, and well-suited to their Adult Standards music format. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Aug 12 21:15:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22140 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 04:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 04:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 04:15:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2004 04:15:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 04:15:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1060 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.169 Subject: A suggestion, if I may? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie How about everyone sending thank-you cards to AM stereo stations? Not emails, or long-winded letters (you know who you are!), but inexpensive, store-bought "Thank You" cards with a simple note written in: "Thank you for broadcasting in AM stereo." Then sign it with your name, address, email address and telewphone number. This doesn't have to be a local station (although the best reaction will come from the local reception area), and don't expect any kind of reply, but think of what an impression the gesture would make if a station receives, say, at least 10 "thank you" cards. And share this with others who are interested in AMS, but may not be reading this. It may not save AMS, but I think it would be a nice way to just say "thanks" for going to the effort of broadcasting in stereo, and staying with C-QUAM, for better or worse, and that these efforts are much appreciated. You could send just one card to a station, or you could send three-- The GM, PD and CE. They'll know once and for all someome's listening. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 13 00:21:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67552 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 07:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 07:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 07:21:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2004 07:19:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 07:19:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1503 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 65.229.232.152 Subject: The $*&!% hits the fan... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I found this in my in-box today, after using my new "Time to think about AM Stereo again" banner on the Radio-Info board... > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:13:54 -0700 > To: amstereoexp@yahoo.com > From: "K.M. Richards" > Subject: Inappropriate post notification > > Kevin, your logo infinging on Ibiquity's trademark has been removed > to avoid potential legal action against the site. > > If it appears in other posts, please remove it yourself or I will > have to report this to Radio-Info's owners. > > Thank you for your cooperation. > > >From: Radio-Info > >To: ontheair@pacbell.net > >Subject: Inappropriate post notification > >Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:27:09 -0500 > > > >DavidEduardo has requested you take action on the following post: > > > >User: kevtronics > >Fake name (if any): Kevin T. > >Subject: Adjacent Cities, Adjacent AM Channels > >Date: 08/12/04 05:10 AM > >Comments: The use of the copyright HD logo with a nasty message is > >really inapropriate. If it's not removed, I will report copyright > >infringement to Ibiquity myself. This is totally illegal from > >several points of the law. > > > > > >You may visit the post by going to the following URL: > >http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=235429&Board=ctc > > > >Do not reply to this email. > > > >Radio-Info.com > > ========================================== > K.M. Richards > K.M. Richards Programming Services > 818.973.2211 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 13 02:14:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89852 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 09:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 09:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 09:14:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2004 09:12:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:12:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 394 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 65.229.232.152 Subject: Revised banner graphic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Since neither "high definition" nor "IBOC" is trademarked by iBiquity, the nay-sayers should have nothing to complain about this one: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/think2.gif However, the original graphic remains on the main page at http://www.AMStereo.s5.com .... if iBiquity wants to sue my butt, I'm all for it... my site could use the free publicity anyway! :-) From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 13 02:43:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23903 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 09:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 09:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 09:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.126.220.176 with login) by smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 09:43:13 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c48119$8fc78680$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:40:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.80 From: Subject: OT Sirris Boom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I was at a RS yesterday and thay had a Sirris boom box on the shelf it sounded like crap. It sounded like 33.666 k modem it was bad. Ok back on topeck. AM Stereo is great and i am doing every thing i can do to help i am buying two exciters for two stations KAHI AM 950 Auburn Ca and KFRC "The Big 610 AM" S.F CA thay have a Harris Gates 5 and i am buying the maching Harris AMS G1 exciter for them and retuned and everything. And i am hopeing the Delta ASE-1 gets retuned to am 950 allso. Hey Kevin Mybe you should try after "Its time to thing about AM Stereo again" put " Insted of other corperet sceems" . and drop the rest beleave me i love it but its not worth getting sood over. Well thats how much i love AM Stereo. I allso turned some one on to this site. I went to her office she made a cope of some thing for me and wile i was there i herd music in the back gruond. So i asked her " what station are you lessenig to" she said KCTC AM 1320 I said " did you know thay are in stereo" she said " i herd that maybe thay were " i said " theres no mybe about it mama" then i told her about here and gave her the web site address and maybe some one can convert one of your radios to am stereo. Well the book is over . Thanks Kevin T and Gang Jim Smith Penryn Ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Aug 13 06:12:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63663 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 13:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 13:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 13:12:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2004 13:12:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:12:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1976 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.245.204.227 Subject: Re: The $*&!% hits the fan... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud While it should qualify as "fair use," it might be tough convincing skittish (or politically opposed) website operators of this. Removing or altering the logo should take care of the problem, from a legal standpoint at least. Of course, if you have a good lawyer and the money to pay them, raising stinks can get LOTS of publicity. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I found this in my in-box today, after using my new "Time to think > about AM Stereo again" banner on the Radio-Info board... > > > > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:13:54 -0700 > > To: amstereoexp@y... > > From: "K.M. Richards" > > Subject: Inappropriate post notification > > > > Kevin, your logo infinging on Ibiquity's trademark has been removed > > to avoid potential legal action against the site. > > > > If it appears in other posts, please remove it yourself or I will > > have to report this to Radio-Info's owners. > > > > Thank you for your cooperation. > > > > >From: Radio-Info > > >To: ontheair@p... > > >Subject: Inappropriate post notification > > >Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:27:09 -0500 > > > > > >DavidEduardo has requested you take action on the following post: > > > > > >User: kevtronics > > >Fake name (if any): Kevin T. > > >Subject: Adjacent Cities, Adjacent AM Channels > > >Date: 08/12/04 05:10 AM > > >Comments: The use of the copyright HD logo with a nasty message is > > >really inapropriate. If it's not removed, I will report copyright > > >infringement to Ibiquity myself. This is totally illegal from > > >several points of the law. > > > > > > > > >You may visit the post by going to the following URL: > > >http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=235429&Boa rd=ctc > > > > > >Do not reply to this email. > > > > > >Radio-Info.com > > > > ========================================== > > K.M. Richards > > K.M. Richards Programming Services > > 818.973.2211 From cbreton27@hotmail.com Fri Aug 13 10:25:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80245 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 17:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 17:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 17:25:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:25:29 -0700 Received: from 69.157.129.246 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:25:28 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:25:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2004 17:25:29.0166 (UTC) FILETIME=[8762DEE0:01C4815A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.90 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.129.246] Subject: Am stereo stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi gang ! Since yesterday i have my car radio from a dodge shadow 1988 and it works well!!! I live in the province of quebec in Quebec city, and last night for a brief period 1560 am radio disney was in am stereo. The other one was, 1210 from philadelphia, 1180 from rochester, wls 890 chicago, 760 wjr detroit and the last one was really surprising 730 ckac Montreal. Only four am stereo i was able to pick !! i really the end of ams ! Christian _________________________________________________________________ Des mécanismes de contrôle parental puissants permettent à votre enfant de découvrir tout ce qu’Internet a à offrir. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-ca&page=features/parental Commencez dès maintenant à profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Fri Aug 13 11:18:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73540 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 18:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 18:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.56) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 18:18:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:18:04 -0700 Received: from 68.255.77.48 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:18:03 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:18:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2004 18:18:04.0182 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFEC1B60:01C48161] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.56 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.255.77.48] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Am stereo stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Christian - Congratulations!!! Is this a different radio or did you modify the one you had? Paul Crane >From: "christian breton" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Am stereo stations >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:25:28 -0400 > >Hi gang ! > > >Since yesterday i have my car radio from a dodge shadow 1988 and it works >well!!! > >I live in the province of quebec in Quebec city, and last night for a brief >period 1560 am radio disney was in am stereo. > >The other one was, 1210 from philadelphia, 1180 from rochester, wls 890 >chicago, 760 wjr detroit >and the last one was really surprising 730 ckac Montreal. > >Only four am stereo i was able to pick !! i really the end of ams ! > >Christian > >_________________________________________________________________ >Des mécanismes de contrôle parental puissants permettent à votre enfant de >découvrir tout ce qu’Internet a à offrir. >http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-ca&page=features/parental Commencez dès >maintenant à profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les >deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. > _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Fri Aug 13 11:23:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33584 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 18:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 18:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 18:23:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:23:23 -0700 Received: from 68.255.77.48 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:23:22 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:23:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2004 18:23:23.0347 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E28D230:01C48162] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.12 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.255.77.48] Subject: RE: {AMSF} A suggestion, if I may? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Another somewhat related thought ... For those non-commercial AM mono stations looking for financial contributions, tell them you'll give some $$$ if they go stereo. Just my $.02 worth. Paul Crane >From: "Amy Mousie" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} A suggestion, if I may? >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 04:15:09 -0000 > >How about everyone sending thank-you cards to AM stereo stations? Not >emails, or long-winded letters (you know who you are!), but >inexpensive, store-bought "Thank You" cards with a simple note >written in: > >"Thank you for broadcasting in AM stereo." > >Then sign it with your name, address, email address and telewphone >number. > >This doesn't have to be a local station (although the best reaction >will come from the local reception area), and don't expect any kind >of reply, but think of what an impression the gesture would make if a >station receives, say, at least 10 "thank you" cards. > >And share this with others who are interested in AMS, but may not be >reading this. > >It may not save AMS, but I think it would be a nice way to just >say "thanks" for going to the effort of broadcasting in stereo, and >staying with C-QUAM, for better or worse, and that these efforts are >much appreciated. > >You could send just one card to a station, or you could send three-- >The GM, PD and CE. > >They'll know once and for all someome's listening. > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Aug 13 13:47:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1381 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 20:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 20:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 20:47:35 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.180.113]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:52:06 -0400 Message-ID: <00a501c48176$a5066400$eeb20642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:46:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Am stereo stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can you get CJBQ 800? They are definitely stereo. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: christian breton To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 1:25 PM Subject: {AMSF} Am stereo stations Hi gang ! Since yesterday i have my car radio from a dodge shadow 1988 and it works well!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 13 14:54:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14861 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 21:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 21:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51602.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.207) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 21:54:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20040813215445.38126.qmail@web51602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.75.9] by web51602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:54:45 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:54:45 -0700 (PDT) To: radio-tech@broadcast.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.207 From: "Kevin T." Subject: New AM IBOC mask X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics In a recent FCC filing, iBiquity has specific new proposed spectral masks for FM and AM IBOC stations. This is an update to their original proposed masks which were submitted back in November 2001. Of course, of most interest is the proposed AM IBOC Hybrid system mask. Compared to the original mask, it is more lenient, allowing a higher level of secondary digital sidebands (a 7 dB increase in allowed level between 5 and 10 kHz from the carrier), and also a significantly less restrictive tolerance for "spectral regrowth" at and beyond +/- 15 kHz. In fact, while the original proposed mask reached the -100 dB noise floor at around +/- 21 kHz from the carrier, the new mask doesn't _ever_ reach -100 dB -- it bottoms out at -85 dB, at +/- 75 kHz. Therefore, the total allowed spectral bandwidth of the AM IBOC Hybrid mode system, including intentional as well as residual emissions, has been increased from about 42 kHz to 150 kHz! Here is a composite graph showing the existing NRSC mask (blue), overlayed with the original proposed AM IBOC Hybrid mask (red) and the new proposed AM IBOC Hybrid mask (purple): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/zzm113/misc/newiboc.gif __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Aug 13 15:00:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29462 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 22:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 22:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 22:00:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2004 22:00:51 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84461 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 04:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 04:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 04:35:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2004 04:35:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 04:35:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002701c480d7$8948f380$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 628 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: {AMSF} Re: I wonder how this will compare to my SRF-42.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Aug 2004 22:00:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 I knew KCBQ was mono... just was wondering why I had a light... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > KCBQ is definitely mono- I've got their old mod monitor, and Kevin T has > their stereo generator. The SG walked away some time ago. Nobody from the > Salem crew could find it when I asked for the monitor, but it showed up some > months later on ebay. > > ST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" > > > Just got it today, and so far have stereo on 792 (near 790 KABC), 1629 > > (near 1630 XEUT) and an intermittent light on 1170 (KCBQ). > > From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Aug 13 15:01:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23632 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 22:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 22:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 22:01:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2004 22:01:11 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70478 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 11:32:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 11:32:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 11:32:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2004 11:30:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:30:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c48119$8fc78680$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2072 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: OT Sirris Boom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Aug 2004 22:01:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 Nice to hear that KCTC is stereo... That's a regular nighttime catch for me here in El Cajon (near San Diego) - I'm able to get it with little to no adjacent-channel interference from local 1310 XEC Tijuana, and 500-watt directional fulltimer KKSM from Oceanside, while audible in the daytime, does not appear at night. So... let's see.... from my location... in stereo... so far... 550 KUZZ Bakersfield 740 KBRT Avalon - daytime only 790 KABC Los Angeles 1110 KDIS Pasadena 1320 KCTC Sacramento 1630 XEUT Tijuana Any other possible stations that I should be able to get, groundwave or skywave, from San Diego / El Cajon, CA? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hi Gang I was at a RS yesterday and thay had a Sirris boom box on the shelf it sounded like crap. It sounded like 33.666 k modem it was bad. Ok back on topeck. AM Stereo is great and i am doing every thing i can do to help i am buying two exciters for two stations KAHI AM 950 Auburn Ca and KFRC "The Big 610 AM" S.F CA thay have a Harris Gates 5 and i am buying the maching Harris AMS G1 exciter for them and retuned and everything. And i am hopeing the Delta ASE-1 gets retuned to am 950 allso. Hey Kevin Mybe you should try after "Its time to thing about AM Stereo again" put " Insted of other corperet sceems" . and drop the rest beleave me i love it but its not worth getting sood over. Well thats how much i love AM Stereo. I allso turned some one on to this site. I went to her office she made a cope of some thing for me and wile i was there i herd music in the back gruond. So i asked her " what station are you lessenig to" she said KCTC AM 1320 I said " did you know thay are in stereo" she said " i herd that maybe thay were " i said " theres no mybe about it mama" then i told her about here and gave her the web site address and maybe some one can convert one of your radios to am stereo. Well the book is over . Thanks Kevin T and Gang Jim Smith Penryn Ca > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 13 15:07:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71826 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 22:07:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 22:07:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 22:07:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2004 22:06:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:06:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 285 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.14 Subject: {AMSF} Re: I wonder how this will compare to my SRF-42.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > I knew KCBQ was mono... just was wondering why I had a light... Falsing is normal, particularly if another station's carrier is beating with this to produce the 25Hz "pilot". Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Aug 13 16:31:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61396 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 23:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 23:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 23:31:21 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.22.61] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:31:20 -0600 Message-ID: <001101c4818d$ea6e8560$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:33:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2004 23:31:20.0936 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3A92680:01C4818D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo promo banner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That may be fine for my quasi-pirate that I hope to put on 540, but I'd never get away with it at work. They'd notice right away that the audio had gotten softer. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > > One of these years I'll reset that AM stereo generator to 980 and > > see if I can drive the transmitter we're not using at the moment, > > though the Gates 5 requires only a few volts to do it. Hopefully > > that BE exciter will go that low. Getting stereo audio processing > > might be a challenge... > This discrete-channel setup does not provide matrix processing, but > while matrix processing is certainly beneficial to a C-Quam station, > it is not _necessary_. What was once New York City's leading > 50,000-watt AM Stereo music station, 1560 WQEW, broadcasted for years > using an Aphex Compellor and a pair of Tri-Mazes as their audio > processing. Their audio didn't "jump out at you", like what an > Optimod 9100 can produce, but it was crisp, clear, and well-suited to > their Adult Standards music format. From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Aug 13 16:42:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31952 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 23:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 23:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 23:42:17 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.22.61] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:42:15 -0600 Message-ID: <002d01c4818f$714a07c0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:44:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2004 23:42:16.0548 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A6F9A40:01C4818F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A suggestion, if I may? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude All the better if you could donate the necessary equipment too. Not that many AM non-coms out there, and those that are usually have a religious format. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Crane" > Another somewhat related thought ... > > For those non-commercial AM mono stations looking for financial > contributions, tell them you'll give some $$$ if they go stereo. > > >From: "Amy Mousie" > >How about everyone sending thank-you cards to AM stereo stations? Not > >emails, or long-winded letters (you know who you are!), but > >inexpensive, store-bought "Thank You" cards with a simple note > >written in: > > > >"Thank you for broadcasting in AM stereo." > > > >Then sign it with your name, address, email address and telewphone > >number. > > > > > >You could send just one card to a station, or you could send three-- > >The GM, PD and CE. > > > >They'll know once and for all someome's listening. From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Aug 13 17:17:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47337 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2004 00:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2004 00:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2004 00:17:52 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.22.61] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:17:50 -0600 Message-ID: <006301c48194$69b18100$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <000c01c48119$8fc78680$c188fea9@jimsmith> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:19:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2004 00:17:51.0145 (UTC) FILETIME=[22C14190:01C48194] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Sirris Boom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Seems we've been over this before, but are you SURE they'll install it even if you buy it for them? If not, all you'll have are some expensive paperweights. Do they have stereo processing? They'll also need stereo monitors to help set up the equipment, not to mention it would be required for stereo operation. Just how close are you to purchasing the stereo generators? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > AM Stereo is great and i am doing every thing i can do to help i am buying two exciters for two stations KAHI AM 950 Auburn Ca and KFRC "The Big 610 AM" S.F CA thay have a Harris Gates 5 and i am buying the maching Harris AMS G1 exciter for them and retuned and everything. And i am hopeing the Delta ASE-1 gets retuned to am 950 allso. From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Aug 13 17:35:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54627 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2004 00:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2004 00:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2004 00:35:40 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.22.61] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:35:38 -0600 Message-ID: <009901c48196$e61f3960$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:37:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2004 00:35:38.0824 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F242480:01C48196] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Revised banner graphic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The new one is pretty good too, Kev, but what if you changed the HD logo to regular letters? I think folks would still get the point. I agree with Narkspud, though- keep the original on your site and dare them to come after you. Like they can sue you for millions and actually expect to collect? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." To: Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 4:12 AM Subject: {AMSF} Revised banner graphic > Since neither "high definition" nor "IBOC" is trademarked by > iBiquity, the nay-sayers should have nothing to complain about this > one: > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/think2.gif > > However, the original graphic remains on the main page at > http://www.AMStereo.s5.com .... if iBiquity wants to sue my butt, > I'm all for it... my site could use the free publicity anyway! :-) > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 13 17:58:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30665 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2004 00:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2004 00:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2004 00:58:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2004 00:58:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:58:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c4818d$ea6e8560$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 904 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.15 Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo promo banner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That may be fine for my quasi-pirate that I hope to put on 540, but > I'd never get away with it at work. They'd notice right away that > the audio had gotten softer. If you can afford it, there's always the Optimod 9100-B2, or any of the Omnia AM series (3, 4.5, 5-EX), all of which are AM Stereo- capable. There's also the "DSP-X", which supposedly is working on an AM version that may include AM Stereo matrix processing: http://www.dsp-x.com/ Or in a pinch, you can cook up your favorite _FM_ Stereo audio processing chain (i.e. Texas Prisms + Optimod 8100), and then follow it with one of the bare-bones solutions I mentioned before, or even a CRL SMP-900 (one just sold on eBay for $100). That way, the FM processors do most of the work, while the subsequent AM processor(s) provide the NRSC filtering and just enough limiting to achieve the desired asymmetrical modulation level. From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Aug 13 18:24:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8756 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2004 01:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2004 01:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2004 01:24:43 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.22.61] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:24:41 -0600 Message-ID: <00ad01c4819d$c0af9ec0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:26:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2004 01:24:42.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[799764F0:01C4819D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo promo banner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude True, but how do I get management to pony up the extra bucks for a stereo processor? If I ever did put stereo back on 980 it would have to be on the sly, so there's no way I'd get company money to do it. I suppose I could make pirate copies of the extra cards at my own expense, but making circuit boards has never been my strong point, plus having to track down all the right components so it'll fit the slots would make it a long term project. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." To: Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 7:58 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo promo banner > > That may be fine for my quasi-pirate that I hope to put on 540, but > > I'd never get away with it at work. They'd notice right away that > > the audio had gotten softer. > > If you can afford it, there's always the Optimod 9100-B2, or any of > the Omnia AM series (3, 4.5, 5-EX), all of which are AM Stereo- > capable. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Aug 13 19:51:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3160 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2004 02:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2004 02:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2004 02:51:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2004 02:51:57 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28519 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2004 02:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2004 02:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2004 02:24:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2004 02:24:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:24:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 528 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: I wonder how this will compare to my SRF-42.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Aug 2004 02:51:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 That's probably it - I checked it at night, and sometimes I can faintly hear KLOK San Jose underneath KCBQ if I point my radio north instead of west. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > I knew KCBQ was mono... just was wondering why I had a light... > > Falsing is normal, particularly if another station's carrier is > beating with this to produce the 25Hz "pilot". > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Aug 13 19:52:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54434 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2004 02:52:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2004 02:52:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2004 02:52:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2004 02:52:08 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24462 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2004 02:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2004 02:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2004 02:25:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2004 02:25:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:25:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002d01c4818f$714a07c0$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1304 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: {AMSF} A suggestion, if I may? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Aug 2004 02:52:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 And one (religious) AM that I'd like to see go stereo is 910 KECR licensed to El Cajon, CA. 1280 KFRN Long Beach (same format) used to be stereo a few years ago, but I haven't heard any separation recently. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > All the better if you could donate the necessary equipment too. Not that > many AM non-coms out there, and those that are usually have a religious > format. > > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Crane" > > > > Another somewhat related thought ... > > > > For those non-commercial AM mono stations looking for financial > > contributions, tell them you'll give some $$$ if they go stereo. > > > > > >From: "Amy Mousie" > > > >How about everyone sending thank-you cards to AM stereo stations? Not > > >emails, or long-winded letters (you know who you are!), but > > >inexpensive, store-bought "Thank You" cards with a simple note > > >written in: > > > > > >"Thank you for broadcasting in AM stereo." > > > > > >Then sign it with your name, address, email address and telewphone > > >number. > > > > > > > > >You could send just one card to a station, or you could send three-- > > >The GM, PD and CE. > > > > > >They'll know once and for all someome's listening. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 13 21:19:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55401 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2004 04:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2004 04:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2004 04:19:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2004 04:19:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 04:19:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006301c48194$69b18100$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1183 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 68.124.97.177 Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Sirris Boom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Seems we've been over this before, but are you SURE they'll install it even > if you buy it for them? If not, all you'll have are some expensive > paperweights. Do they have stereo processing? They'll also need stereo > monitors to help set up the equipment, not to mention it would be required > for stereo operation. Just how close are you to purchasing the stereo > generators? > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > AM Stereo is great and i am doing every thing i can do to help i am buying > two exciters for two stations KAHI AM 950 Auburn Ca and KFRC "The Big > 610 AM" S.F CA thay have a Harris Gates 5 and i am buying the maching > Harris AMS G1 exciter for them and retuned and everything. And i am > hopeing the Delta ASE-1 gets retuned to am 950 allso. HI Scott Well i almost have the Delta in my pocket and the Harris is a log way off. All i am doing is getting the genarators for them and i am going to tell them that thay can make there own am stereo market. The rest is up to them. Thanks Scott Jim Smith Penryn Ca From ckelly@bdcast.com Fri Aug 13 22:15:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ckelly@bdcast.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45247 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2004 05:15:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2004 05:15:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2004 05:15:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2004 05:15:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 05:15:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 90 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "cwkellyjr" X-Originating-IP: 12.202.112.109 Subject: Sony SRF-42's on e-Bay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=74091459 X-Yahoo-Profile: cwkellyjr http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=5715071275&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Aug 14 00:14:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85200 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2004 07:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2004 07:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2004 07:14:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2004 07:14:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 07:14:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1188 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.15 Subject: 900 CHML X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics What's up with CHML in Hamilton, Ontario? They have a massive skywave signal across the Northeastern USA, and most of their nighttime programming consists of MOR-ish Oldies music and Old Time Radio shows. Their signal has been mono for the past few years, with no C-Quam pilot or stereo separation; however, it sounds like only the right audio channel is being broadcast. (They just played a Beatles song, and some of the instruments were clearly missing; comparing what I heard to the original recording, CHML's audio was missing the left channel audio.) I'd almost guarantee that CHML still has their AM Stereo exciter in use, manually switched to the "Mono R" mode, which disables the pilot tone and derives mono audio from only the right input channel. CHML's audio is also rather lightly processed, and sounds a little "tubby" compared to today's usual Optimud sound, as typical of older CRL processing gear. Overall, 900 CHML is a nice station to listen to, with programming you don't get from the big corporatized U.S. stations... but it is a bit frustrating that they might literally be able to resume broadcasting in full AM Stereo at the push of a button. From cbreton27@hotmail.com Sat Aug 14 04:01:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46782 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2004 11:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2004 11:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.64) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2004 11:01:36 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 04:01:36 -0700 Received: from 69.157.134.34 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:01:36 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 07:01:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2004 11:01:36.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[114D61A0:01C481EE] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.64 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.134.34] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Am stereo stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Chris No i'm not able to get CJBQ because i have CHRC on that frequency. Christian >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Am stereo stations >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:46:43 -0400 > >Can you get CJBQ 800? They are definitely stereo. >Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: christian breton > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 1:25 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Am stereo stations > > > Hi gang ! > > > Since yesterday i have my car radio from a dodge shadow 1988 and it >works > well!!! > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Balayez vos courriels entrants et sortants et les pièces jointes et contribuez à éliminer les virus destructeurs susceptibles d’y être intégrés. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-ca&page=features/virus Commencez dès maintenant à profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. From cbreton27@hotmail.com Sat Aug 14 04:05:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70766 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2004 11:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2004 11:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2004 11:05:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 04:05:10 -0700 Received: from 69.157.134.34 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:05:10 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 07:05:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2004 11:05:10.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[90F06650:01C481EE] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.77 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.134.34] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Am stereo stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Paul, It is a different radio, i still have the other one if somebody is willing to do the modification let me know !! me i'm not able, i'm only a radio fan (am stereo) not an electronic guy. Christian P.S Last night WJR and WPHT were the only two station i was able to get... >From: "Paul Crane" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: {AMSF} Am stereo stations >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:18:03 -0400 > >Christian - > >Congratulations!!! > >Is this a different radio or did you modify the one you had? > >Paul Crane > > > >From: "christian breton" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: {AMSF} Am stereo stations > >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:25:28 -0400 > > > >Hi gang ! > > > > > >Since yesterday i have my car radio from a dodge shadow 1988 and it works > >well!!! > > > >I live in the province of quebec in Quebec city, and last night for a >brief > >period 1560 am radio disney was in am stereo. > > > >The other one was, 1210 from philadelphia, 1180 from rochester, wls 890 > >chicago, 760 wjr detroit > >and the last one was really surprising 730 ckac Montreal. > > > >Only four am stereo i was able to pick !! i really the end of ams ! > > > >Christian > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Des mécanismes de contrôle parental puissants permettent à votre enfant >de > >découvrir tout ce qu’Internet a à offrir. > >http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-ca&page=features/parental Commencez dès > >maintenant à profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les > >deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and >more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Des mécanismes de contrôle parental puissants permettent à votre enfant de découvrir tout ce qu’Internet a à offrir. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-ca&page=features/parental&ST=1&xAPID=1983&DI=2043 Commencez dès maintenant à profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Aug 14 10:52:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44304 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2004 17:52:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2004 17:52:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2004 17:52:31 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.125.32] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:52:03 -0600 Message-ID: <006301c48227$b0dfaa00$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:53:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2004 17:52:04.0263 (UTC) FILETIME=[688D1B70:01C48227] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Sirris Boom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Good luck- really. But it takes more than just the stereo generator to do things right. You'd better be sure they either have or would be willing to get a stereo processor and mod monitor. Worse come to worse, I suppose you could set up a part-15 station of your own, but you'll need some sort of stereo processing, even if it isn't matrix type. At least you wouldn't need the mod monitor to be legal. I just don't want you to waste your money on the unwilling. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim smith" > > HI Scott Well i almost have the Delta in my pocket and the Harris is > a log way off. All i am doing is getting the genarators for them and > i am going to tell them that thay can make there own am stereo > market. The rest is up to them. Thanks Scott Jim Smith Penryn Ca From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 14 11:42:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1907 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2004 18:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2004 18:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2004 18:42:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2004 18:42:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:42:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006301c48227$b0dfaa00$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1190 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.14 Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Sirris Boom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Good luck- really. But it takes more than just the stereo generator to do > things right. You'd better be sure they either have or would be willing to > get a stereo processor and mod monitor. Worse come to worse, I suppose you > could set up a part-15 station of your own, but you'll need some sort of > stereo processing, even if it isn't matrix type. At least you wouldn't need > the mod monitor to be legal. I just don't want you to waste your money on > the unwilling. Making assumptions is always a bad thing. Assuming these stations would accept is a bit of a stretch. But there are those here who actually would WANT the equipment-- Wouldn't it be better to make them availavle to someone who does, instead of forcing the issue on a station that may be very resistant to it? Just because you want these stations- like KFRC, which I do know- to broadcast stereo (and at least KFRC is wired for it) does NOT mean they'd be willing to do it. AM stereo is great, but.... It's like trying to force someone to change something- They're not going to do it unless they WANT to. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 15 03:49:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59400 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2004 10:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2004 10:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2004 10:49:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2004 10:49:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 10:49:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2223 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.12.108 Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Sirris Boom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Good luck- really. But it takes more than just the stereo > generator to do > > things right. You'd better be sure they either have or would be > willing to > > get a stereo processor and mod monitor. Worse come to worse, I > suppose you > > could set up a part-15 station of your own, but you'll need some > sort of > > stereo processing, even if it isn't matrix type. At least you > wouldn't need > > the mod monitor to be legal. I just don't want you to waste your > money on > > the unwilling. > > Making assumptions is always a bad thing. Assuming these stations > would accept is a bit of a stretch. > > But there are those here who actually would WANT the equipment-- > Wouldn't it be better to make them availavle to someone who does, > instead of forcing the issue on a station that may be very resistant > to it? > > Just because you want these stations- like KFRC, which I do know- to > broadcast stereo (and at least KFRC is wired for it) does NOT mean > they'd be willing to do it. > > AM stereo is great, but.... It's like trying to force someone to > change something- They're not going to do it unless they WANT to. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Hi Guys I had got to talk with both stations and basicly if thay don't have to retune them wich thay will not thay mite be more willing. My first atemnt with KAHI AM 950 sucked because the exciter was not retuned to there station and it was a basket case any way. Thats why he said no he said it would take to much for them at this time, he did not tell me thay where going to move. KFRC AM 610 yes i know they stereo ready thay have been sence the early 80's . And the head enganeer kept saying no no no no till i asked what if i can get a new stereo genrator there was a long pause on the phone then started talking about some thing els wich i did not like hearing you guys IBOC!!!! Yuck!!!!! So i hope to turn him back AM Stereo . He was a KAHN man back in the 80's . Oh yes thay where C-QuAM from the late 80's to 1999. Thanks Guys and Gang Jim Smith Penryn Ca From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Aug 16 17:06:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48172 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 00:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 00:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pcrane) (68.255.61.246) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 00:06:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:06:15 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.255.61.246 From: Bossmsx@aol.com Subject: ^_^ mew-mew (-: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Argh, i don't like the plaintext :) pass: 55341 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Aug 16 18:56:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76289 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 01:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 01:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m16.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.206) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 01:56:13 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id r.8a.125b984e (25711) for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8a.125b984e.2e52bfb3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:56:03 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6032 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.138.206 From: Bossmsx@aol.com Subject: Seattle AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is KYIZ/1620 in Seattle still running AM Stereo?? Is it audible in the metro Seattle area?? --Tony S/Miami. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Aug 16 19:11:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31410 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 02:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 02:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 02:11:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2004 02:11:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:11:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 343 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.117.7 Subject: Re: ^_^ mew-mew (-: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Bossmsx@a... wrote: > Argh, i don't like the plaintext :) > > pass: 55341 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Excuse me???? I did not post the above message...... Somehow, it appeared with MY name on it.... Just want to state my case on the situation. --tony s/miami From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Aug 16 19:19:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35562 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 02:19:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 02:19:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-out.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 02:19:52 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by smtp-out.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 46A19107C9A9 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 01:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305E51A01D9 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 01:01:30 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040816221851.01b73c80@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:21:38 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.71 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ^_^ mew-mew (-: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah... I got one from Jeff Deck in my personal e-mail box, Subject: ^_^ meay-meay! message: Argh, i don't like the plaintext :) pass: 55341 with a file called TextFile.zip What's going on here? John At 02:11 AM 8/17/2004 +0000, you wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Bossmsx@a... wrote: >> Argh, i don't like the plaintext :) >> >> pass: 55341 >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >Excuse me???? > >I did not post the above message...... > >Somehow, it appeared with MY name on it.... > >Just want to state my case on the situation. > >--tony s/miami > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > John Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 16 19:33:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61895 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 02:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 02:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 02:33:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20040817023312.7892.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.79] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:33:12 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:33:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040816221851.01b73c80@pop.GameBox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ^_^ mew-mew (-: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- John Holcomb II wrote: > Yeah... > I got one from Jeff Deck in my personal e-mail box, > Subject: ^_^ meay-meay! > message: > Argh, i don't like the plaintext :) > > pass: 55341 > > with a file called > TextFile.zip > What's going on here? > John I got one "supposedly" from Chris Cuff .... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 16 19:46:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96383 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 02:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 02:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 02:46:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20040817024653.18260.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.79] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:46:53 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:46:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040817023312.7892.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: spoofed email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Those weird things...the headers...both have the same IP addresses. from unknown (HELO pcrane) (68.255.61.246) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 00:06:15 -0000 Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 16 20:49:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16041 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 03:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 03:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 03:49:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2004 03:49:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 03:49:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040817024653.18260.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1435 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.15 Subject: Re: spoofed email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > Those weird things...the headers...both have the same > IP addresses. It's from the viruses (viri?) that have been going around. On an affected user's computer, the virus picks a random e-mail address from their address book and sends out the virus, using that random e-mail address as the "From:" field. The virus is sent as an attachment, so DON'T open the attachment, and to be more cautious, don't even open any e-mail that contains a suspicious attachment -- just delete it without even reading it. So, for example, when you get one of these e-mail-attachment-viruses from "Chris Cuff", that doesn't mean Chris _himself_ sent it to you; it just means the virus was sent to you from someone who had Chris's e-mail address in their MS Outlook address book, and the virus "spoofed" the e-mail to make it appear that it was actually being sent by Chris. "Spoofing" is actually very easy to do, with no trickery involved; in Netscape Mail, you can easily make outgoing e-mails appear to be from any name and e-mail address you choose, just by changing a few fields in the Preferences menu. For example, you can make an outgoing e-mail appear to be from "Bill Gates" at "billg@microsoft.com". The only catch is that if the recipient replies to your spoofed e-mail, their reply will go to the _real_ Bill Gates, not you. :-) From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 16 21:21:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93601 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 04:21:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 04:21:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 04:21:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20040817042114.46484.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.103] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:21:14 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:21:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040817024653.18260.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} spoofed email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > Those weird things...the headers...both have the > same > IP addresses. > > > from unknown (HELO pcrane) (68.255.61.246) by > mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 > 00:06:15 > -0000 That is correct. Notice when you display all headers it doesn't show much. Send yourself email from your regular ISP and your yahoo account and look at the headers and you get a full page of stuff. Looks like someone got hit by a virus, worm or whachyacallit.... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Aug 16 21:44:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33434 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 04:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 04:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 04:37:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2004 04:37:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:37:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040817042114.46484.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 365 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.14 Subject: Re: {AMSF} spoofed email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie It's an iworm called "Bagle.H", sent from adsl-68-255-61- 246.dsl.lgtpmi.ameritech.net (IP: 68.255.61.246) with the id of "pcrane". Since I don't use Outlook or Outlook Express, I was able to catch and identify it before it could do damage. And since this group isn't set up for attatchments, the infected attatchment was stripped. Anyhoo.... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Tue Aug 17 01:30:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76945 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 08:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 08:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 08:30:34 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 01:30:34 -0700 Received: from 129.21.233.4 by by22fd.bay22.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:30:34 GMT X-Originating-Email: [amstereoguy@hotmail.com] X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:30:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2004 08:30:34.0742 (UTC) FILETIME=[77456960:01C48434] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.92 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [129.21.233.4] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ^_^ mew-mew (-: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 From me??? I am not even home-I'm up in Rochester at the antique radio convention! Oh great- a new virus..... cc >From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ^_^ mew-mew (-: >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:33:12 -0700 (PDT) > > >--- John Holcomb II wrote: > > > Yeah... > > I got one from Jeff Deck in my personal e-mail box, > > Subject: ^_^ meay-meay! > > message: > > Argh, i don't like the plaintext :) > > > > pass: 55341 > > > > with a file called > > TextFile.zip > > What's going on here? > > John > > > >I got one "supposedly" from Chris Cuff .... > >Powell > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Aug 17 02:25:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96604 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 09:25:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 09:25:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.9) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 09:25:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:25:26 -0700 Received: from 68.255.61.246 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:25:25 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 05:25:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2004 09:25:26.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[21494290:01C4843C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.9 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.255.61.246] Subject: Re: {AMSF} spoofed email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Hmmmmm, that's interesting. The pcrane would be me as I have an email account with ameritech.net. SBC provides me with free email service as part of the DSL Internet service I have with them. However, I DO NOT USE THIS EMAIL ADDRESS. In fact, I don't remember the last time logging into it; it's probably been over a year. I use two email addresses: kc8yqq@hotmail.com (for my radio-related stuff) and paulmcrane@hotmail.com (for everything else) and these are both used regularly. If you receive anything from pcrane@ameritech.net, once again IT IS NOT ME and delete it immediately. Thanks, Paul Crane >From: "Amy Mousie" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} spoofed email >Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:37:16 -0000 > >It's an iworm called "Bagle.H", sent from adsl-68-255-61- >246.dsl.lgtpmi.ameritech.net (IP: 68.255.61.246) with the id >of "pcrane". > >Since I don't use Outlook or Outlook Express, I was able to catch and >identify it before it could do damage. And since this group isn't set >up for attatchments, the infected attatchment was stripped. > >Anyhoo.... > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From jeffdeck@aol.com Tue Aug 17 02:35:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39366 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 09:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 09:35:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 09:35:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2004 09:35:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:35:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040816221851.01b73c80@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 24.210.97.17 Subject: Re: ^_^ mew-mew (-: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 You write > Yeah... > I got one from Jeff Deck in my personal e-mail box, > Subject: ^_^ meay-meay! > message: > Argh, i don't like the plaintext :) > > pass: 55341 > > with a file called > TextFile.zip > What's going on here? > John There is nothing in my sent items folder to reflect this unintended e-mail to John Holcomb. Interesting. Sincerely, Jeff Deck http://meduci.com From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Aug 17 02:49:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18089 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 09:49:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 09:49:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.126) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 09:49:37 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.247.212.21.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.212.21] helo=earthlink.net) by turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bx0b2-0004sv-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:49:37 -0700 Message-ID: <4121D4B6.27003AF5@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 05:49:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.126 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ^_^ mew-mew (-: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got one too! Dick W. Anthony wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Bossmsx@a... wrote: > > Argh, i don't like the plaintext :) > > > > pass: 55341 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Excuse me???? > > I did not post the above message...... > > Somehow, it appeared with MY name on it.... > > Just want to state my case on the situation. > > --tony s/miami [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougharding@bellsouth.net Tue Aug 17 04:14:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21835 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 11:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 11:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 11:14:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2004 11:13:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:13:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1384 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 65.6.205.68 Subject: new virus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Switch to LINUX and all your problems will go away. I use SUSE 9.1 on my home computer and my laptop and I do not have to worry about viruses and worms. Yes RealAudio 10 is available for Linux and the Xine Media player plays all windows media content and commercial DVDs too and you can still stream your favorite internet media. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > > From me??? I am not even home-I'm up in Rochester at the antique radio > convention! Oh great- a new virus..... > cc > > >From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ^_^ mew-mew (-: > >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:33:12 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >--- John Holcomb II wrote: > > > > > Yeah... > > > I got one from Jeff Deck in my personal e-mail box, > > > Subject: ^_^ meay-meay! > > > message: > > > Argh, i don't like the plaintext :) > > > > > > pass: 55341 > > > > > > with a file called > > > TextFile.zip > > > What's going on here? > > > John > > > > > > > >I got one "supposedly" from Chris Cuff .... > > > >Powell > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From zebra@strangeanimals.net Tue Aug 17 06:14:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97092 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 13:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 13:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 13:14:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2004 13:14:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:14:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 450 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "amradiozebra" X-Originating-IP: 67.164.23.118 Subject: linux? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra Run something like Trend Micro antivirus if you use a PC online. (I consider it to be the most complete solution, and worth the yearly fee) Use a Mac. (gamers will miss a lot of their favorite apps tho, but unix heads will love a unix that actually works without fiddling) Use Linux. (though it can be dissapointing, lack of mature apps, in addition to the gaming problem - you can dual boot with windows I suppose) Don't use an unprotected PC. From dougharding@bellsouth.net Tue Aug 17 08:05:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66106 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 15:05:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 15:05:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 15:05:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2004 15:05:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:05:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 665 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.180 Subject: LINUX part two X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I agree however I am running Microsoft Office XP and Adobe Photoshop on LINUX using Codeweavers Crossover and they work perfectly. But you are right about games. Dual booting is one answer. I promise no more LINUX postings. I know this is the AM stereo forum. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amradiozebra" wrote: > Run something like Trend Micro antivirus if you use a PC online. > (I consider it to be the most complete solution, and worth the yearly fee) > > Use Linux. (though it can be dissapointing, lack of mature apps, in addition to the gaming > problem - you can dual boot with windows I suppose) > > Don't use an unprotected PC. From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Aug 17 08:27:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72223 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 15:27:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 15:27:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.16) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 15:27:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:26:03 -0700 Received: from 216.78.54.40 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:26:03 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:26:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2004 15:26:03.0846 (UTC) FILETIME=[822CCE60:01C4846E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.16 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [216.78.54.40] Subject: Re: {AMSF} spoofed email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 I am not a PC or virus expert, far from it, but from what I have read about these worms, a favorite target of these a**hole virus writers is to commandeer a persons DSL or other high speed internet PC, load their self-propogating virus stream, and then just let the commandeered PC send a copy of said virus to all the addresses in any e-mail accounts accessable by the commandeered PC Just my two cents worth. MTGC (Michael) p.s. Usually, the person who's PC has been commandeered has no idea of what is going on. >From: "Amy Mousie" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} spoofed email >Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:37:16 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.14 >X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com >Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.74]) by >mc5-f35.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 >21:45:02 -0700 >Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug >2004 04:44:41 -0000 >Received: (qmail 33434 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 04:37:16 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >17 Aug 2004 04:37:16 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by >mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 04:37:16 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug >2004 04:37:16 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGjaLUb1lUnjxLIt54UiWGn >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: >In-Reply-To: <20040817042114.46484.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 >X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-18352-1092717880-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2004 04:45:02.0398 (UTC) >FILETIME=[F55D95E0:01C48414] > >It's an iworm called "Bagle.H", sent from adsl-68-255-61- >246.dsl.lgtpmi.ameritech.net (IP: 68.255.61.246) with the id >of "pcrane". > >Since I don't use Outlook or Outlook Express, I was able to catch and >identify it before it could do damage. And since this group isn't set >up for attatchments, the infected attatchment was stripped. > >Anyhoo.... > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Aug 17 09:41:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 521 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 16:41:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 16:41:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 16:41:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2004 16:41:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:41:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 109 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Milwaukee AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Did I read somewhere that WKSH/1640 had returned to AM Stereo?? How about WOKY/920?? Are they still Stereo? From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Aug 17 09:42:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5871 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 16:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 16:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao07.cox.net) (68.230.241.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 16:42:56 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040817164243.YDBB20647.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:42:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:42:41 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <74A570E2-F06C-11D8-8D81-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.32 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} spoofed email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I have a similar situation: the spoofed account that "sends" my email=20 address is usually the one I never use. As a Mac user, I really, really get tired of dealing with these viruses=20 and worms caused by (other people's) Windows/MS email programs security=20 problems, by the way. Richard Wagoner On Tuesday, August 17, 2004, at 02:25 AM, Paul Crane wrote: > Hmmmmm, that's interesting. > > The pcrane would be me as I have an email account with ameritech.net. = =20 > SBC > provides me with free email service as part of the DSL Internet=20 > service I > have with them. However, I DO NOT USE THIS EMAIL ADDRESS. In fact, I=20 > don't > remember the last time logging into it; it's probably been over a=20 > year. I > use two email addresses: kc8yqq@hotmail.com (for my radio-related=20 > stuff) and > paulmcrane@hotmail.com (for everything else) and these are both used > regularly. > > If you receive anything from pcrane@ameritech.net, once again IT IS=20 > NOT ME > and delete it immediately. > > Thanks, > > Paul Crane > > >> From: "Amy Mousie" >> Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: {AMSF} spoofed email >> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:37:16 -0000 >> >> It's an iworm called "Bagle.H", sent from adsl-68-255-61- >> 246.dsl.lgtpmi.ameritech.net (IP: 68.255.61.246) with the id >> of "pcrane". >> >> Since I don't use Outlook or Outlook Express, I was able to catch and >> identify it before it could do damage. And since this group isn't set >> up for attatchments, the infected attatchment was stripped. >> >> Anyhoo.... >> >> Amy. <:3 )~~8~ >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don=92t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From tomray@wor710.com Tue Aug 17 09:55:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 398 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 16:55:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 16:55:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 16:55:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2004 16:53:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:53:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040813215445.38126.qmail@web51602.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1018 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: New AM IBOC mask X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > In fact, while the original proposed mask reached the -100 dB noise floor > at around +/- 21 kHz from the carrier, the new mask doesn't _ever_ reach > -100 dB -- it bottoms out at -85 dB, at +/- 75 kHz. Therefore, the total > allowed spectral bandwidth of the AM IBOC Hybrid mode system, including > intentional as well as residual emissions, has been increased from about > 42 kHz to 150 kHz! > Kevin: This is an incorrect statement. +/-21kHz from carrier, you are allowed -35dBc, not -100dBc as you have implied above. Additionally, the regulations state that for an AM station of 5KW and above, your emissions beyond +/-75kHz from carrier must be greater than -80dBc.....it says nothing about -100dBc, and in fact, with the method proscribed in the regulations for making NRSC measurements, I have never been able to measure below -85dBc as a practical matter....the noise floor is usually right up there. Tom Ray WOR From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 17 11:39:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70993 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 18:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 18:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 18:39:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2004 18:39:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:39:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 536 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.14 Subject: Re: {AMSF} spoofed email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" wrote: > p.s. Usually, the person who's PC has been commandeered has no idea of what > is going on. Quite true. I personally recommend that if you're unsure, go to Trend Micro's "HouseCall" service- It's free, and will eradicate the bad stuff. http://housecall.trendmicro.com I use this along with my Grisoft AVG antivirus software, both free. Now, if there's anything new on the AMS front, I'm all ears, and waiting. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 17 15:53:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98561 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 22:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 22:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 22:53:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2004 22:53:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:53:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 698 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.3 Subject: Report from WWBF 1130 AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From the Radio-Tech list: [RT] Ft. Meyers stations.... Jeff Thornburg Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:34:01 -0400 Here in Polk County, about 80 miles north of Punta Gorda, no reported tower failures. We are in Bartow, our 3-tower array is fine. We lost power about 8p friday, but maintained operations on our generator until 9a sunday. 15 miles east to Lake Wales, their two- tower array is still standing, but no commerical power, and no genset. All Lakeland stations ok, some transmitter sites on generators for a while. Two Winter Haven stations were off over the weekend and Monday, I'm guessing no power. Jeff Thornburg Chief Engineer WWBF-AM Stereo 1130 Bartow, Florida 33830 wwbf.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 17 16:25:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46263 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 23:25:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2004 23:25:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 23:25:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2004 23:25:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:25:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1981 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.3 Subject: Re: New AM IBOC mask X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This is an incorrect statement. +/-21kHz from carrier, you are > allowed -35dBc, not -100dBc as you have implied above. What version of the IBOC specs are you going by? I'm taking this right from the "iBiquity IBOC AM Transmission Specification", Revision 01, dated November 2001. On Page 18, it says "The measured power spectral density of the hybrid signal at frequencies removed from the carrier frequency by more than 20.5 kHz, must not exceed -100 dBc/300 Hz." You are right that AM IBOC signals are currently only required to meet the existing NRSC mask (which was never intended to accomodate digital signals, but that's a whole other story). However, I'm paying attention to iBiquity's own "recommended" mask for AM IBOC hybrid mode, because as they state, "More stringent spectral emissions limits will most likely be required to minimize interference to an IBOC carrier from adjacent IBOC carriers. In order to meet system coverage specifications, the following alternative spectral emissions limits are recommended." The bottom line is that iBiquity's recommended spectral mask for AM IBOC hybrid signals has recently been revised, and compared to their original recommended mask (from 2001), it is now far more lenient of emissions beyond +/- 15 kHz, most likely to reflect the issue of "spectral re-growth", which would cause many AM IBOC stations to fail to meet iBiquity's original recommended mask. BTW, WOR's IBOC signal would likely fail to meet either the original or the current recommended IBOC Hybrid mode mask, because unless WOR's performance has improved since the following spectrum graph was created, WOR's spectral re-growth at -24.5 kHz is only at about -62 dB, whereas the current recommended mask requires it to be at least -65 dB, and the original mask required it to be at least -100 dB (pretty hard to accomplish when the effective noise floor is -75 dB!).... http://wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/WORspectrum.jpg From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue Aug 17 18:20:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3594 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2004 01:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2004 01:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2004 01:20:47 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.148] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:20:03 -0600 Message-ID: <005a01c484c1$ca9c1e00$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:22:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2004 01:20:04.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D8C0760:01C484C1] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Report from WWBF 1130 AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'm not surprised that his station stayed on the air. Those that go through the trouble to crank out AM stereo are usually conscientious about the whole plant including having a backup genset. Good for him. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > > Here in Polk County, about 80 miles north of Punta Gorda, no reported > tower failures. We are in Bartow, our 3-tower array is fine. From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue Aug 17 18:23:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65462 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2004 01:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2004 01:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2004 01:23:07 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.148] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:23:01 -0600 Message-ID: <005f01c484c2$34e10320$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:25:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2004 01:23:02.0517 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7C44250:01C484C1] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Milwaukee AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Haven't been to Milwaukee in awhile, but as far as I know both stations are still stereo. Some of the time I can pick up WKSH, but now that they're Radio Disney I seldom bother to try. They used to come in quite well when they first hit the EB, but when KCJJ lit up 1630 it pretty much ended decent reception. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony" > > Did I read somewhere that WKSH/1640 had returned to AM Stereo?? How > about WOKY/920?? Are they still Stereo? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 18 02:17:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98626 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2004 09:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2004 09:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2004 09:17:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2004 09:17:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:17:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 799 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 68.130.158.46 Subject: OT: Teaching an old dog new tricks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Perhaps the most extreme example I have seen of upgrading an XT-class computer... http://tvdog.shacknet.nu/1000TL.html The original Tandy 1000 was an IBM PCjr clone, with an 8088 processor running at a blistering-fast 4.77 MHz. But unlike the PCjr, the 1000 was a sales success, so Tandy kept on releasing facelifted versions of it every year, well into the 1990s. However, I had never seen one used as part of a Windows/Linux network, until this one. No relevance to AM Stereo, really... just after spending a few days reviving a few old PCs and XTs I had sitting in a dusty corner of my basement, I'm just surprised at how far these old machines can be pushed, if you have the interest. And yes, each one of my Seagate ST-225 and Miniscribe 8425 hard drives is still going strong! From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Aug 18 16:51:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5731 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2004 23:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2004 23:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2004 23:51:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2004 23:51:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:51:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005a01c484c1$ca9c1e00$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 997 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Report from WWBF 1130 AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I'm not surprised that his station stayed on the air. Those that go through > the trouble to crank out AM stereo are usually conscientious about the whole > plant including having a backup genset. Good for him. Actually, I'm going to email him, because reports have been that the station, of late, has been pilot only, and another report had him with minimal separation. Wonder if the fact that he signed his email "AM Stereo" means that he managed to work out whatever bugs he had in his exciter...I emailed him a while back, and he told me that his exciter was nearing its end, but I really couldn't understand why a station like his would be pilot only, when the studios and transmitter are co-located, and there really isn't a Mono STL issue, unlike WVOI in Marco, which is Pilot Only due to STL issues (well, WVOI actually has a Stereo Synthesizer to create _somewhat_ of a Stereo effect). --tony s. From oldphones@webtv.net Thu Aug 19 05:18:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37390 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2004 12:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2004 12:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.195) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2004 12:18:39 -0000 Received: from storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id C73F91061C for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 05:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA05619; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 05:18:34 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAnTRk/724FCsumFpmu6dqhPCiFYcCFE8y3JdELxTHMMEeFcTMSWwvY+YM Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:18:33 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <17213-41249A99-18@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 19 Aug 2004 11:08:54 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.195 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1292 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 The report on WWBF brings up another interesting question(s)?? ,, Were there OR still are some special DX opportunities because of AM or FM broadcast stations affected by the two Florida hurricanes that are OFF the air due to storm damage to equipment, towers, or lack of A.C., Operating on daytime power OR Day time pattern, etc... Could give DXer's in the South East portion of the U.S. get some rare DX opportunities?? Example -- I was able to log WBT some years ago due to a hurricane in N.C., They had some tower problems as a result, and were on the day pattern at night, and KFAB just happened to sign off for maint. SO I could faintly hear WBT here in Nebraska, Normally an unheard of event. Bill S. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From oldphones@webtv.net Thu Aug 19 05:21:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21089 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2004 12:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2004 12:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.193) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2004 12:21:13 -0000 Received: from storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 3EA8ABE7D; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 05:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA05689; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 05:20:48 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAmauLcRL/D+Iam7TdJFvwAJoxCyYCFG5Hhhe7ny95viZiW7WNd5Nl/j6O Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:20:47 -0500 To: ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <17205-41249B1F-705@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.193 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: Re: {AMSF} Special DX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit to follow... Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 19 08:24:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8659 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2004 15:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2004 15:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2004 15:24:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20040819152409.9806.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 08:24:09 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 08:24:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.151 From: "John P." Subject: AM Stereo in EB ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio somebody asked: has "WKSH/1640 had returned to AM Stereo??" I believe that they are Radio Disney 1640, and I heard them in stereo last Friday. In fact, I had a 'tween' riding in the car Friday and they 'just had to hear' Radio Disney - and they did - on 1640, 1650 and 1680 - all in AM stereo, and 1560 in Mono. (no local RD here - until 910 Flint moves to the Detroit area). It goes to show that 'content is still king'- they wanted to hear Disney so bad that they tuned all over the AM dial until they realized 3 of them were available at local sunset with decent stereo signals to boot! Also, it was the first time that they knew that AM signals can be received from hundreds of miles away at night(from Wisconsin, Viginina and Michigan), and in stereo. I think I might have a new DX'er now that they realized the joys of AM radio (at least until the IBOC buzzsaws cut-down the long-distance ability). __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 19 10:28:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91127 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2004 17:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2004 17:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2004 17:28:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20040819172828.36685.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:28:28 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:28:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.151 From: "John P." Subject: WPEN in Radio World (Sept 1 edition) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio If any of you guys get Radio World, there's an interesting article on page 44 from the WPEN (AM) assistant CE John Arndt. He even admits about the compromises: "The digital carriers do introduce some noticeable hiss to the main channel" and "We had to turn off the analog stereo signal and limit the analog audio bandwidth. And yes, I do hear those compromises...". I'll give the guy credit for being honest about that. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Aug 19 15:31:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 572 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2004 22:31:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2004 22:31:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2004 22:31:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2004 22:31:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:31:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040819172828.36685.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2001 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.1 Subject: Re: WPEN in Radio World (Sept 1 edition) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If any of you guys get Radio World, there's an interesting article > on page 44 from the WPEN (AM) assistant CE John Arndt. > He even admits about the compromises: "The digital carriers do > introduce some noticeable hiss to the main channel" and "We had to > turn off the analog stereo signal and limit the analog audio > bandwidth. And yes, I do hear those compromises...". I'll give > the guy credit for being honest about that. 950 WPEN's digital sidebands have reduced the listenable coverage area of neighboring 940 WADV (an AM Stereo station) and 960 WILT. Formerly, I was able to receive a weak but fully listenable signal from WILT, but now they are covered up by the hash, and I am no longer able to "DX" WADV at all. Meanwhile, WPEN's IBOC adds a constant and "squealing hiss" to the background of 930 WPAT and 970 WWDJ -- both New York City-area stations which have a local- quality signal in central NJ. Speaking of which, back in its C-Quam AM Stereo days, 950 WPEN itself was a victim of digital interference, during the few weeks when 930 WPAT experimented with IBOC. WPAT has since resumed use of a normal analog mono AM signal, but it would be interesting to see how these two stations would fare if they both broadcast IBOC at the same time. They are on second-adjacent channels, so WPEN's upper digital sideband would overlap with WPEN's lower digital sideband. IBOC needs clear reception of both sidebands in order to receive "Enhanced Mode" Stereo, so it is likely that in this scenario, digital mode reception of WPAT and WPEN would be restricted to "Core Mode" mono in any area where their signals overlap. 930 WPAT is also affected by the presence of 920 WPHY, an analog mono station from Trenton, NJ. So with WPHY clobbering WPAT's lower sideband and WPEN clobbering WPAT's upper sideband, WPAT listeners would likely experience lots of drop-outs to analog mono mode, when the IBOC receiver fails to decode either of the two digital sidebands. From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Aug 19 16:31:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30003 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2004 23:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2004 23:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2004 23:31:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20040819233143.16323.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.100] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:31:43 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:31:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <17213-41249A99-18@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1292 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- oldphones@webtv.net wrote: > Example -- I was able to log WBT some years ago > due to a hurricane > in N.C., They had some tower problems as a result, > and were on the day > pattern at night, and KFAB just happened to sign off > for maint. SO I > could faintly hear WBT here in Nebraska, Normally > an unheard of event. > Bill S. The remnants of Hurricane Hugo turned 2 of WBT's Blau-Knox towers ( diamond shaped) into a J shaped array. They got permission to run 10 KW non direction until the 2 were rebuilt. Kline rebuilt them as Blau-Knox had made them many decades ago. You can see the 3 tower array as you ride I-77 north toward Charlotte. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Aug 19 17:25:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52040 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2004 00:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2004 00:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2004 00:25:50 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.222] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:25:48 -0600 Message-ID: <002401c4864c$8d77ed60$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20040819172828.36685.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:27:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2004 00:25:48.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[3DFA3220:01C4864C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPEN in Radio World (Sept 1 edition) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I wonder about those who don't hear the difference. Those same ones claim a night and day difference between analog and digital. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." "We had to turn off the analog stereo > signal and limit the analog audio bandwidth. And yes, I do hear those > compromises...". I'll give the guy credit for being honest about that. From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Aug 19 17:28:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5710 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2004 00:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2004 00:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2004 00:28:38 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.222] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:28:35 -0600 Message-ID: <002801c4864c$f1284080$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20040819152409.9806.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:30:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2004 00:28:36.0076 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1A46AC0:01C4864C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in EB ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Get 'em while they're young. I know I discovered DXing entirely by accident when I was in 3rd or 4th grade. Just don't have much time anymore, plus the band is so congested every frequency sounds like a graveyard channel. Come to think of it, they actually are. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > I > think I might have a new DX'er now that they realized the joys of AM radio (at > least until the IBOC buzzsaws cut-down the long-distance ability). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Aug 19 17:56:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30879 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2004 00:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2004 00:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2004 00:56:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2004 00:56:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:56:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002401c4864c$8d77ed60$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 661 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.1 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPEN in Radio World (Sept 1 edition) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I wonder about those who don't hear the difference. Those same > ones claim a night and day difference between analog and digital. Well, a mostly syndicated talk station might actually sound "better" with a 5 kHz filter in place, as programs like Michael Savage, Laura Ingraham, and Paul Harvey all have heavy amounts of digital encoding artifacts in their audio, right on the satellite network feed. Many commercials and PSAs, both local and national, sound equally poor. Even many syndicated music programs suffer from artifact-laden audio, such as "Delilah After Dark" (supposedly her show comes over the satellite as 128 kbps Joint Stereo MP2). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Aug 19 18:04:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53796 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2004 01:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2004 01:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2004 01:04:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2004 01:04:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 01:04:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002801c4864c$f1284080$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1326 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.1 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in EB ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Get 'em while they're young. I know I discovered DXing entirely by > accident when I was in 3rd or 4th grade. Just don't have much time > anymore, plus the band is so congested every frequency sounds like > a graveyard channel. Come to think of it, they actually are. The sunspot cycle must be at or near its maximum right now, because semi-local stations that were listenable a few years ago are now almost completely obliterated at night by all the co-channel "chatter". So when the sunspot cycle comes down, reception of local and regional AM signals should improve -- although it is undeniable that the AM band is more cluttered now than it was a decade or two ago, and not all of this clutter is coming from within the USA. Mexico has applications for numerous high-power (50 - 150 kW) AM stations, and Cuba is blasting their signals as strongly as ever (listeners all across the USA are complaining about "Spanish language interference" at night, much of which is actually coming from Cuba). As for the Expanded Band, it has another issue to deal with -- the proliferation of 10-watt "Traveler's Information Service" stations. In my area, there are TISes on 1610, 1630, 1640, and 1700 kHz, and it is not uncommon to hear these stations "fighting it out" with Expanded Band skywave signals at night. From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Aug 19 19:03:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7713 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2004 02:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2004 02:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2004 02:03:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20040820020009.85725.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.100] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:00:09 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:00:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Sunspots and ionospheric instability X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > The sunspot cycle must be at or near its maximum > right now, because > semi-local stations that were listenable a few years > ago are now > almost completely obliterated at night by all the > co-channel > "chatter". We are not remotely close to the high, that having been, what, 4 years ago. BUT all the flares have been causing a worse problem that just high sunspot activity. A really high A and K index caused by solar flares and CME's can just deaden the MW band. It's just that conditions need a few weeks of really quiet activity and that we have NOT had. So lets look at the conditions from this site. http://www.sec.noaa.gov/ftpdir/latest/wwv.txt :Product: Geophysical Alert Message wwv.txt :Issued: 2004 Aug 19 2311 UTC # Prepared by the US Dept. of Commerce, NOAA, Space Environment Center # # Geophysical Alert Message # Solar-terrestrial indices for 19 August follow. Solar flux 121 and mid-latitude A-index 5. The mid-latitude K-index at 0000 UTC on 20 August was 2 (10 nT). Space weather for the past 24 hours has been minor. Radio blackouts reaching the R1 level occurred. Space weather for the next 24 hours is expected to be minor. Radio blackouts reaching the R1 level are expected. *************************************************** Not really bad, but an A index lower than 10 and a very low K index is what you need for a few days not just one. An explanation is here: http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/GEOMAG/kp_ap.html Also http://www.spaceweather.com Here you can actually see the sunspots, and explanations. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Aug 19 21:55:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89120 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2004 04:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2004 04:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.241.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2004 04:55:04 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040820045456.LPBX14129.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:54:56 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:54:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002401c4864c$8d77ed60$d503fea9@home1> Message-Id: <1474B433-F265-11D8-93C4-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.34 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPEN in Radio World (Sept 1 edition) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's a semi-related point: I have not paid that close of attention,=20 but I have not heard XM or Sirius ads mentioning that they are digital.=20 Yes, they mention that they have over 100 channels, but I can't recall=20 digital being mentioned. On Thursday, August 19, 2004, at 05:27 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > I wonder about those who don't hear the difference.=A0 Those same ones=20 > claim a > night and day difference between analog and digital. > > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John P." > "We had to turn off the analog stereo > > signal and limit the analog audio bandwidth.=A0 And yes, I do hear=20 > those > > compromises...".=A0 I'll give the guy credit for being honest about=20 > that. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 20 09:43:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49450 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2004 16:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2004 16:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2004 16:43:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2004 16:43:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:43:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1474B433-F265-11D8-93C4-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1475 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 68.122.180.242 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPEN in Radio World (Sept 1 edition) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > Here's a semi-related point: I have not paid that close of=20 attention,=20 > but I have not heard XM or Sirius ads mentioning that they are=20 digital.=20 > Yes, they mention that they have over 100 channels, but I can't=20 recall=20 > digital being mentioned. >=20 > On Thursday, August 19, 2004, at 05:27 PM, Scott Todd wrote: >=20 > > I wonder about those who don't hear the difference.=A0 Those same=20 ones=20 > > claim a > > night and day difference between analog and digital. > > > > Scott > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John P." > > "We had to turn off the analog stereo > > > signal and limit the analog audio bandwidth.=A0 And yes, I do=20 hear=20 > > those > > > compromises...".=A0 I'll give the guy credit for being honest=20 about=20 > > that. > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > =A0 > > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > =A0 > > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 Service. > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Hi I can tell you one thing that Sirius signal sounds terrable.Jim=20 Smith From pmount2@att.net Fri Aug 20 14:42:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pmount2@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89343 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2004 21:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2004 21:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2004 21:42:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2004 21:42:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:42:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 457 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "paul mount" X-Originating-IP: 192.128.134.68 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPEN in Radio World (Sept 1 edition) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192157907 X-Yahoo-Profile: mount142 > > Here's a semi-related point: I have not paid that close of > attention, > > but I have not heard XM or Sirius ads mentioning that they are > digital Maybe they are afraid people will confuse how it works with the limitations of Digital AM radio. In not understanding how it works, they'll think if they live too close to XM 71, that they can't listen to XM 73, because it will be covered by the hash from channel 71...you know what I'm saying? From pmount2@att.net Fri Aug 20 14:44:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pmount2@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18577 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2004 21:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2004 21:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2004 21:44:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2004 21:44:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:44:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 457 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "paul mount" X-Originating-IP: 192.128.134.68 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPEN in Radio World (Sept 1 edition) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192157907 X-Yahoo-Profile: mount142 > > Here's a semi-related point: I have not paid that close of > attention, > > but I have not heard XM or Sirius ads mentioning that they are > digital Maybe they are afraid people will confuse how it works with the limitations of Digital AM radio. In not understanding how it works, they'll think if they live too close to XM 71, that they can't listen to XM 73, because it will be covered by the hash from channel 71...you know what I'm saying? From amfmguy@yahoo.com Fri Aug 20 17:00:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmguy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45659 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2004 00:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2004 00:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2004 00:00:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2004 00:00:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:00:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1182 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "M S" X-Originating-IP: 207.112.53.112 Subject: Re: {AMSF} spoofed email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97335768 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > Now, if there's anything new on the AMS front, I'm all ears, and > waiting. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Well Amy, this may or may not be new. You're pretty much up on what's happening around the radio world. It starts with a query and it has to do with radio in Australia. Maybe all members from down there will jump in with whatever they have on the following. I am hearing that FM is pretty much a dead issue in terms of new licences ... that all there is left is AM. Although there is a movement afoot to use AM receivers to translate the signal to FM for dead spots ... something we are already initiating discussions about with those involved. Most interesting is that certain stations have permission to transmit a 12.5KHz audio bandwidth. This requires some coordination of signal propogation for the lucky station and its adjacents. But it is said to be as good as FM. We have a couple of units in Melbourne now where it is said they have 3 AM-stereo stations, and doing well with the 9KHz bandwidth. Anyhow, it's got me thinking about spreading the FTA-100's wings a little. MrMS From amfmguy@yahoo.com Fri Aug 20 17:05:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmguy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83844 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2004 00:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2004 00:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2004 00:05:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2004 00:05:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:05:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 397 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "M S" X-Originating-IP: 207.112.53.112 Subject: Re: new virus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97335768 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > Switch to LINUX and all your problems will go away. I use SUSE 9.1 on With Zone Labs firewall and an updated AVG, (both free) I've been very lucky. However, I like the security offered by Linux, Doug. I could well be headed that way. Unfortunately, it's not a matter of just switching one computer. MrMS From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Aug 20 23:04:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29348 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2004 06:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2004 06:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao12.cox.net) (68.230.241.27) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2004 06:04:29 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040821060428.RHXI19929.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 02:04:28 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:04:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.27 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPEN in Radio World (Sept 1 edition) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That would be funny. In reality, I think it means this; digital means NOTHING to the average=20 consumer. Richard On Friday, August 20, 2004, at 02:42 PM, paul mount wrote: > > > Here's a semi-related point: I have not paid that close of > > attention, > > > but I have not heard XM or Sirius ads mentioning that they are > > digital > > Maybe they are afraid people will confuse how it works with the > limitations of Digital AM radio. In not understanding how it works, > they'll think if they live too close to XM 71, that they > can't listen to XM 73, because it will be covered by > the=A0=A0 hash from channel 71...you know what I'm saying? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Aug 21 00:54:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92482 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2004 07:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2004 07:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2004 07:54:38 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.180.168]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 04:00:05 -0400 Message-ID: <003201c48754$125e7780$a8b40642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 03:54:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPEN in Radio World (Sept 1 edition) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Digital" has become so over used that the public just yawns when it sees it again. Look how many items say they use "microprocessor technology"...... a dimmer switch, for instance. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Wagoner To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 2:04 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPEN in Radio World (Sept 1 edition) That would be funny. In reality, I think it means this; digital means NOTHING to the average consumer. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Sat Aug 21 04:31:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11336 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2004 11:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2004 11:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.173.57) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2004 11:31:45 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 04:31:45 -0700 Received: from 209.240.207.115 by bay5-dav27.bay5.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:31:44 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:31:44 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <21447-412732A0-1672@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 21 Aug 2004 10:55:40 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2004 11:31:45.0098 (UTC) FILETIME=[70291AA0:01C48772] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.173.57 X-eGroups-From: starship_2001@msn.com (Norbert 26) From: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: [209.240.207.115] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1294 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Richard wrote: > That would be funny. > In reality, I think it means this; > digital means NOTHING to the average > consumer. > Richard > --- Most people think that any receiver with digital display tuning is a digital radio. Most people do not know the difference between an ANALOG signal and a digital signal. Most folks have no idea what HD radio or IBOC is or whats coming. In fact there are people that don't even realize that TV is supposed to go all digital by mandate in 2007 (USA) !!! From Bossmsx@aol.com Sat Aug 21 13:38:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67603 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2004 20:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2004 20:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2004 20:38:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2004 20:37:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:37:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 75 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: KTUC/1400/Tucson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Can anyone tell me if KTUC-AM 1400 in Tucson is AM Stereo? --tony s/miami From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Aug 21 13:52:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55695 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2004 20:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2004 20:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2004 20:52:13 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.17.214] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:52:11 -0600 Message-ID: <003c01c487c1$0d9198a0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <003201c48754$125e7780$a8b40642@4bmx301> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:54:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2004 20:52:12.0176 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB760100:01C487C0] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPEN in Radio World (Sept 1 edition) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude As in much the same process is used whether you make a triac or a microprocessor? Semiconductors is semiconductors. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" > "Digital" has become so over used that the public just yawns when it sees it again. Look how many items say they use "microprocessor technology"...... a dimmer switch, for instance. From dougharding@bellsouth.net Sat Aug 21 14:35:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39780 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2004 21:35:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2004 21:35:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2004 21:35:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2004 21:35:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:35:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 519 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 65.6.205.68 Subject: Re: new virus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "M S" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" Zone Labs Firewall is the best but make sure you use the professional version you have to buy. The free one really does not do the job. > > > With Zone Labs firewall and an updated AVG, (both free) I've been > very lucky. However, I like the security offered by Linux, Doug. I > could well be headed that way. Unfortunately, it's not a matter of > just switching one computer. > > MrMS From amfmguy@yahoo.com Sun Aug 22 06:10:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmguy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73981 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2004 13:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2004 13:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2004 13:10:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2004 13:10:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:10:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1273 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "M S" X-Originating-IP: 207.112.48.134 Subject: AM stereo in Aus (was "Spoofed Email) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97335768 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy (didn't think there'd be much continued interest the subject line of "spoofed Email" - MS) * * * * * transferred message string * * * * * * "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > Now, if there's anything new on the AMS front, I'm all ears, and > waiting. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Well Amy, this may or may not be new. You're pretty much up on what's happening around the radio world. It starts with a query and it has to do with radio in Australia. Maybe all members from down there will jump in with whatever they have on the following. I am hearing that FM is pretty much a dead issue in terms of new licences ... that all there is left is AM. Although there is a movement afoot to use AM receivers to translate the signal to FM for dead spots ... something we are already initiating discussions about with those involved. Most interesting is that certain stations have permission to transmit a 12.5KHz audio bandwidth. This requires some coordination of signal propogation for the lucky station and its adjacents. But it is said to be as good as FM. We have a couple of units in Melbourne now where it is said they have 3 AM-stereo stations, and doing well with the 9KHz bandwidth. Anyhow, it's got me thinking about spreading the FTA-100's wings a little. MrMS From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Aug 22 06:40:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68141 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2004 13:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2004 13:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2004 13:40:24 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.186]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:45:49 -0400 Message-ID: <005001c4884d$86f85ee0$bab50642@4bmx301> To: Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:40:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Shil bidding on SRF-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a note to anyone bidding on the SRF-42 item # 5715067327 that there is blatant shil bidding going on- The hi bidder (brickboytx) now has 7 feedbacks, but click on his feedback, and you will see he has 57 feedbacks- 50 from this seller, and they are both in Texas. The bidder also has not ever bought anything in this area before. So be aware. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Sun Aug 22 19:48:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64261 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2004 02:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2004 02:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2004 02:48:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2004 02:48:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 02:48:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8a.125b984e.2e52bfb3@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 268 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.165 Subject: Re: Seattle AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Bossmsx@a... wrote: > Is KYIZ/1620 in Seattle still running AM Stereo?? Is it audible in the metro > Seattle area?? > > --Tony S/Miami. > > KYIZ 1620 is audible in the Seattle area to my knowledge but they are not in stereo From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Aug 22 20:23:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97907 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2004 03:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2004 03:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2004 03:23:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2004 03:23:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:22:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1185 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.1 Subject: Re: AM stereo in Aus (was "Spoofed Email) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Most interesting is that certain stations have permission to > transmit a 12.5KHz audio bandwidth. This requires some coordination > of signal propogation for the lucky station and its adjacents. But > it is said to be as good as FM. Actually I bet those stations could use even larger of a bandwidth, if it weren't for the Optimod 9100's non-defeatable 12.5 kHz audio filter, which remains active even if NRSC-type "brick wall" filtering is disabled. Numerous AM Stereo stations in Japan use the Optimod 9100 in 12.5 kHz mode, and needless to say it sounds excellent. (I believe Japan specifies a minimum audio bandwidth of 7.5 kHz for AM stations, but does not specify any _maximum_ permissible audio bandwidth.) Here are numerous audio samples that were recorded of Japanese AM Stereo stations, as received on a custom radio using a 28 kHz IF filter (thus providing a 14 kHz audio bandwidth). JOLF and JOHR both had their Optimod set for 12.5 kHz bandwidth, while JOKR has theirs running in NRSC mode (10 kHz): http://tinyurl.com/34r5z JOLF and JOKR broadcast with 100,000 watts, non-directional -- something AM stations in the USA and Canada can only dream of! From dav259@csiro.au Sun Aug 22 21:33:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98254 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2004 04:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2004 04:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail2.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.13) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2004 04:33:32 -0000 Received: from csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0024D5400C for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:33:30 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE33154008 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:33:29 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N4XTfB028248 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:33:29 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:33:29 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.2.13 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo in Australia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 22 Aug 2004, M S wrote: > I am hearing that FM is pretty much a dead issue in terms of new > licences ... that all there is left is AM. Although there is a > movement afoot to use AM receivers to translate the signal to FM for > dead spots ... something we are already initiating discussions about > with those involved. Hi Marv This FM situation is true here - though you wouldn't think the dial would be anywhere as crowded as those in North America. The ABA has on 13 August auctioned the last Oz commercial FM licence for five years. Britain's Daily Mail Group (DMG) bought the Melbourne station and has been snapping up nealy all FM licences available in the last few years. Given the maximum two station rule there are now four major networks running the big commercial stations. And this is unlikely to change. Austereo Australian Radio Network (Clear Channel) DMG Southern Cross There is plenty of room on the AM band for new stations. Besides recent entrants on the extended band there's been no additions to the regular AM band in Melbourne since 1975 (3MP). There has been some juggling of callsigns and frequencies. There is even more spectrum available in regional areas where many stations have moved to the FM band and not been replaced. Why we have only 3 AM community stations compared with 27 FM community stations in the Melbourne/Geelong area is a bit of a mystery to me. The answer may be that low power FM stations wouldn't interfere with each other as much as low power AM stations. But you'd think more community broadcasters should have been put on the AM band. As a kid I used to spend many nights DXing regional and interstate AM stations. Arguably now a third of these stations have moved to FM and not been replaced. > Most interesting is that certain stations have permission to > transmit a 12.5KHz audio bandwidth. This requires some coordination > of signal propogation for the lucky station and its adjacents. But > it is said to be as good as FM. We have a couple of units in > Melbourne now where it is said they have 3 AM-stereo stations, and > doing well with the 9KHz bandwidth. Anyhow, it's got me thinking > about spreading the FTA-100's wings a little. I don't know about transmitting a 12.5KHz audio bandwidth, but can confirm that Magic 693 (3EE), Sport 927 (3UZ), and SEN 1116 (3AK) are still in stereo, and the ratings powerhouse that is NewsTalk 3AW is still transmitting a stereo signal from a mono feed. Ian Melbourne From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 01:46:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5940 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 08:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 08:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 08:46:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2004 08:46:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:46:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 487 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.142 Subject: Fatboy Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Some time ago I was inquiring what was the most recent Top 40 hit song to be recorded and released in _mono_... the general concensus was that it was "Rock This Town", by the Stray Cats in 1982... however, I've just discovered a much more recent instance of a stereoless hit song -- "Praise You" by Fatboy Slim, a #27 U.S. hit in 1999. The Radio Edit of this song is entirely monophonic, with absolutely no stereo separation to be heard (at least on the "NOW 2" compilation CD). From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 04:05:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74910 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 11:05:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 11:05:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 11:05:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2004 11:04:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:04:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 739 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.147 Subject: Re: Fatboy Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Some time ago I was inquiring what was the most recent Top 40 hit > song to be recorded and released in _mono_... the general concensus > was that it was "Rock This Town", by the Stray Cats in 1982... > however, I've just discovered a much more recent instance of a > stereoless hit song -- "Praise You" by Fatboy Slim, a #27 U.S. hit > in 1999. The Radio Edit of this song is entirely monophonic, with > absolutely no stereo separation to be heard (at least on the "NOW 2" > compilation CD). Gabrielle's 1996/1997 UK #1 hit, "Give Me A Little More Time" (which I have no idea how successful it was in the states) is completely mono. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Aug 24 07:32:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88608 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 14:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 14:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 14:32:06 -0000 Received: from jimspc ([68.251.255.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7OEVrc7018010 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:31:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001601c489e7$1c0002f0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:31:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fatboy Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Some time ago I was inquiring what was the most recent Top 40 hit > song to be recorded and released in _mono_... the general concensus > was that it was "Rock This Town", by the Stray Cats in 1982... > however, I've just discovered a much more recent instance of a > stereoless hit song -- "Praise You" by Fatboy Slim, a #27 U.S. hit > in 1999. The Radio Edit of this song is entirely monophonic, with > absolutely no stereo separation to be heard (at least on the "NOW 2" > compilation CD). The version we play on our Hot AC is stereo.. on the TM Century Hit Disc. The low-fi beginning is in mono but when it expands to full-fidelity, it is in stereo. From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Aug 24 07:55:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80651 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 14:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 14:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 14:55:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2004 14:55:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:55:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601c489e7$1c0002f0$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1016 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fatboy Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > > > > Some time ago I was inquiring what was the most recent Top 40 hit > > song to be recorded and released in _mono_... the general concensus > > was that it was "Rock This Town", by the Stray Cats in 1982... > > however, I've just discovered a much more recent instance of a > > stereoless hit song -- "Praise You" by Fatboy Slim, a #27 U.S. hit > > in 1999. The Radio Edit of this song is entirely monophonic, with > > absolutely no stereo separation to be heard (at least on the "NOW 2" > > compilation CD). > > The version we play on our Hot AC is stereo.. on the TM Century Hit Disc. > The low-fi beginning is in mono but when it expands to full-fidelity, it is > in stereo. Perhaps, but I can confirm its 100% mononess on the "Now" CD mentioned above. I'd always assumed it was just a mastering mistake by the friendly folks at "Now," but since you mentioned it, I don't think I've ever heard that particular mix in stereo. From cbreton27@hotmail.com Tue Aug 24 08:21:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50690 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 15:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 15:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.77) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 15:21:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:21:47 -0700 Received: from 69.157.136.18 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:21:47 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:21:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2004 15:21:47.0962 (UTC) FILETIME=[128C41A0:01C489EE] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.77 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.136.18] Subject: 12 volts battery for a car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi everybody ! I'm still happy with my dodge shadow car radio with am stereo (last night 1520 wwkb buffalo was am stereo) The radio is pluged on a small 12 volts battery and this battery IS NOT RECHARGEABLE !! so you know it takes a lot of power on that battery so the life is not very long !! What i should get ? a car battery ? Thanks you all for the answer Christian _________________________________________________________________ Balayez vos courriels entrants et sortants et les pièces jointes et contribuez à éliminer les virus destructeurs susceptibles d’y être intégrés. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-ca&page=features/virus Commencez dès maintenant à profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Aug 24 08:33:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13141 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 15:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 15:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.11) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 15:33:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:33:15 -0700 Received: from 216.78.98.168 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:33:14 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:33:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2004 15:33:15.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC39E180:01C489EF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.11 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [216.78.98.168] Subject: RE: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Christian, A 12 volt lawn mower starter battery should do you just fine. You will need a trickle charger for the times the radio is off, and you should have some means of keeping the battery vented to the outside air, as lead acid batteries generate explosive gasses when being charged. The entire cost for the battery and trickle charger, if bought at a place like WalMart should not exceed $35.00 US. Another option is to go to radio shack and get a set of plastic holders for NiCad batteries that total out to about 12.5 volts. You can then go to WalMart, buy the NiCads and Charger, and while one set of NiCads is running your radio, the other set could be on charge. This would be the more expensive of the two options, but would have the advantage of not requiring any venting, as NiCads don't give off explosive gasses when being charged. Just my 5 cents (inflation, you know) worth. MTGC (Michael) >From: "christian breton" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:21:47 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [69.157.136.18] >X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] >X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com >Received: from n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.79]) by >mc6-f10.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 >08:22:46 -0700 >Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug >2004 15:21:50 -0000 >Received: (qmail 50690 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 15:21:48 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >24 Aug 2004 15:21:48 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.77) by >mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 15:21:48 -0000 >Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; >Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:21:47 -0700 >Received: from 69.157.136.18 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;Tue, >24 Aug 2004 15:21:47 GMT >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jE5JVVyt2UpLm5JSwK1usc+ >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2004 15:21:47.0962 (UTC) >FILETIME=[128C41A0:01C489EE] >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.77 >X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-18403-1093360909-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com > > > > >Hi everybody ! > > >I'm still happy with my dodge shadow car radio with am stereo (last night >1520 wwkb buffalo was am stereo) > >The radio is pluged on a small 12 volts battery and this battery IS NOT >RECHARGEABLE !! so you know it takes a lot of power on that battery so the >life is not very long !! > >What i should get ? a car battery ? > >Thanks you all for the answer > >Christian > >_________________________________________________________________ >Balayez vos courriels entrants et sortants et les pièces jointes et >contribuez à éliminer les virus destructeurs susceptibles d’y être >intégrés. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-ca&page=features/virus Commencez dès >maintenant à profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les >deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. > From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 09:04:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29110 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 16:03:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 16:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 16:03:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2004 16:02:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:02:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 197 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fatboy Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Are we absolutely sure about Rock This Town being mono? I don't have a copy, but I've asked around... and I keep hearing from people that it is VERY narrow but still stereo. Any confirmations? From bradleyj2@aol.com Tue Aug 24 09:26:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82744 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 16:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 16:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 16:26:12 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id r.84.3190ddc5 (16110) for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-d13.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.129]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v101.19) with ESMTP id MAILINID122-3eee412b6c1231e; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:25:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:25:54 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <15744943.2DE0CD71.022E759B@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 216.108.210.98 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.36 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fatboy Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 In a message dated 8/24/2004 10:31:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Jim Burgan" writes: > > > >> Some time ago I was inquiring what was the most recent Top 40 hit >> song to be recorded and released in _mono_... the general concensus >> was that it was "Rock This Town", by the Stray Cats in 1982... >> however, I've just discovered a much more recent instance of a >> stereoless hit song -- "Praise You" by Fatboy Slim, a #27 U.S. hit >> in 1999.  The Radio Edit of this song is entirely monophonic, with >> absolutely no stereo separation to be heard (at least on the "NOW 2" >> compilation CD). > >The version we play on our Hot AC is stereo.. on the TM Century Hit Disc. >The low-fi beginning is in mono but when it expands to full-fidelity, it is >in stereo. > I'm here at work checking our version...And on the Jones Radio Re-Current CD 599 it's 100% mono. btw Jim...Did you get any of my messages I sent off-list? - Brad Jackson - Afternoon Drive/Imaging Director - WKMX-FM Dothan, AL - http://www.wkmx.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 10:46:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40692 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 17:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 17:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 17:46:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2004 17:45:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:45:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1003 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.147 Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" wrote: > > Another option is to go to radio shack and get a set of plastic holders for > NiCad batteries that total out to about 12.5 volts. You can then go to > WalMart, buy the NiCads and Charger, and while one set of NiCads is running > your radio, the other set could be on charge. This would be the more > expensive of the two options, but would have the advantage of not requiring > any venting, as NiCads don't give off explosive gasses when being charged. Why NiCad? Why not Li-Ion or NiMH? With those you get better voltage and a longer charge for about the same cost, plus longer life until recharge fatigue sets in. Also, I'm not sure if a regulated 12V power supply would work with such a unit, with some RFI shielding. If you have a decent hobbyist electronics store that local hams go to (good indicator), they might have a good 12V power supply you could use. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 10:52:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62141 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 17:52:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 17:52:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 17:52:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2004 17:52:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:52:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 614 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.147 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fatboy Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > Are we absolutely sure about Rock This Town being mono? I don't have a copy, but > I've asked around... and I keep hearing from people that it is VERY narrow but still > stereo. Any confirmations? If there is any, it's in the echo/reverb. Even the 1982/1983 UK #1 hit "I Melt With You"- the original mix- by Modern English, is mixed completely mono. (The 1991 remixes are stereo.) Alot of reggae is still released in mono to this day, mostly from cheesy streetside recording studios using prerecorded tracks. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Aug 24 11:21:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89977 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 18:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 18:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.1) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 18:21:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:20:41 -0700 Received: from 216.78.99.75 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:20:41 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:20:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2004 18:20:41.0540 (UTC) FILETIME=[10424840:01C48A07] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.1 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [216.78.99.75] Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 I agree with Amy that Li-Ion or NiMH would probably give you a bigger bang for the buck. You can find such batteries, and their chargers at WalMart, among other places. I use the NIMH batteries for my Strobe units and they work very well. The 12 volt lawn mower battery would be used during operating sessions (ie with the radio on) and the trickle charger would only be used when the radio was off. You can buy 12 volt supplies from Radio Shack, among others. I use a 12 volt 4 amp unit I bought from the shack to power my 12 volt CB radios. It does fine, and I only had to utilize a CB filter system, also available from the shack to get good quiet 12 volts DC. Hope all of this helps. MTGC (Michael) >From: "Amy Mousie" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:45:53 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.147 >X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com >Received: from n54.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.67.65]) by >mc9-f22.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 >10:48:58 -0700 >Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug >2004 17:46:12 -0000 >Received: (qmail 40692 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 17:46:11 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >24 Aug 2004 17:46:11 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by >mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 17:46:10 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug >2004 17:45:54 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFusGYAAORUlMZCt8oxGsoQ >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: >In-Reply-To: >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 >X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-18407-1093369571-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2004 17:48:58.0107 (UTC) >FILETIME=[A1B974B0:01C48A02] > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - > CEO" wrote: > > > > Another option is to go to radio shack and get a set of plastic >holders for > > NiCad batteries that total out to about 12.5 volts. You can then >go to > > WalMart, buy the NiCads and Charger, and while one set of NiCads is >running > > your radio, the other set could be on charge. This would be the >more > > expensive of the two options, but would have the advantage of not >requiring > > any venting, as NiCads don't give off explosive gasses when being >charged. > >Why NiCad? Why not Li-Ion or NiMH? With those you get better voltage >and a longer charge for about the same cost, plus longer life until >recharge fatigue sets in. > >Also, I'm not sure if a regulated 12V power supply would work with >such a unit, with some RFI shielding. > >If you have a decent hobbyist electronics store that local hams go to >(good indicator), they might have a good 12V power supply you could >use. > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 12:34:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21084 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 19:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 19:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52409.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.117) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 19:34:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20040824193443.71887.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.113] by web52409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:34:43 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:34:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.117 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > Christian, > > A 12 volt lawn mower starter battery should do you > just fine. You will need > a trickle charger for the times the radio is off, > and you should have some > means of keeping the battery vented to the outside > air, as lead acid > batteries generate explosive gasses when being > charged. The entire cost for > the battery and trickle charger, if bought at a > place like WalMart should > not exceed $35.00 US. > Another option is to go to radio shack and get a set > of plastic holders for > NiCad batteries that total out to about 12.5 volts. > You can then go to > WalMart, buy the NiCads and Charger, and while one > set of NiCads is running > your radio, the other set could be on charge. This > would be the more > expensive of the two options, but would have the > advantage of not requiring > any venting, as NiCads don't give off explosive > gasses when being charged. Wal Mart does NOT have any D cell rechargeables or chargers. If you go that route get the MAHA charger that can charge those D cells and they also have D cell rechargeables that are 9 amps RS ones last look were 4.5 amps. I did see some 11+ amp D cells. As a note the better alkaline batteries are 18 amps ( 18,000 ma) Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 12:41:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29017 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 19:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 19:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52401.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.109) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 19:41:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20040824194132.83403.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.113] by web52401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:41:32 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:41:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.109 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > Another option is to go to radio shack and get a > set of plastic > holders for > > NiCad batteries that total out to about 12.5 > volts. You can then > go to > > WalMart, buy the NiCads and Charger, and while one > set of NiCads is > running > > your radio, the other set could be on charge. Amy I didn't notice this before, but WalMart does NOT have ANY NiCad batteries, nor D cell NiMH's. That said on the Eveready site, their D cell NiMH batteries are 2200 ma and the (!!!!!!) AA cells are 2300 ma. > This would be the > more > > expensive of the two options, but would have the > advantage of not > requiring > > any venting, as NiCads don't give off explosive > gasses when being > charged. > Why NiCad? Why not Li-Ion or NiMH? With those you > get better voltage > and a longer charge for about the same cost, plus > longer life until > recharge fatigue sets in. I have not seen Li-Ion batteries in D formation. And in my other post I did find 11 amp NiMH batteries. They are not inexpensive. Enough of those to run the radio would run at least $150. > Also, I'm not sure if a regulated 12V power supply > would work with such a unit, with some RFI >shielding. Not necessarily but look at my comments below. > If you have a decent hobbyist electronics store that > local hams go to (good indicator), they might have >a good 12V power supply you could use. As long as you get a good regulated power supply that has the capacity to run the radio and IS NOT one with a switching power supply. Usually these are reserved for higher current units. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Aug 24 13:02:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15935 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 20:02:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 20:02:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 20:02:29 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.244]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:08:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c48a15$3f7b2d80$f4b50642@4bmx301> To: References: <20040824193443.71887.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:02:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kmart has garden tractor batteries for $17.99- they work great, you can get a lot of life out of them before recharge, and they take a lot of abuse. Mine is going on 7 years old now, and still works fine. Chris ----- Original Message ----- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 13:14:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26929 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 20:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 20:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 20:13:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2004 20:13:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:13:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 341 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.17 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fatboy Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Are we absolutely sure about Rock This Town being mono? I don't > have a copy, but I've asked around... and I keep hearing from > people that it is VERY narrow but still stereo. Any confirmations? "Rock This Town" is mono, with a touch of stereo reverb added. So, it has a bit of "space" to the sound, but no true stereo separation. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 13:21:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41098 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 20:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 20:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 20:21:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2004 20:21:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:21:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 724 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.17 Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Why NiCad? Why not Li-Ion or NiMH? With those you get better > voltage and a longer charge for about the same cost, plus longer > life until recharge fatigue sets in. NiCads are awful. Even at full charge, they are only rated at 1.25V per cell, instead of the 1.5V for regular alkaline batteries. They drain down quickly in use, and even if you _don't_ use them, NiCads lose their charge over time. Plus they will develop a "memory effect" if you don't regularly let them fully discharge. My own solution for powering a car radio is a 12V Sealed Lead Acid "gel-cell" battery. One of these will power a car radio for hours, and they aren't too expensive. Get a matching charger and you'll be a happy camper. From cbreton27@hotmail.com Tue Aug 24 13:28:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70913 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 20:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 20:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 20:28:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:27:44 -0700 Received: from 69.157.136.18 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:27:44 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:27:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2004 20:27:44.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0187B10:01C48A18] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.82 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.136.18] Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Thanks everybody !! This a message for Chris Cuff, I would like to have the battery you have, but we no longer have Kmart stores in Canada. Christian >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:02:12 -0400 > >Kmart has garden tractor batteries for $17.99- they work great, you can get >a lot of life out of them before recharge, and they take a lot of abuse. >Mine is going on 7 years old now, and still works fine. >Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Balayez vos courriels entrants et sortants et les pièces jointes et contribuez à éliminer les virus destructeurs susceptibles d’y être intégrés. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-ca&page=features/virus Commencez dès maintenant à profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Aug 24 13:29:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59864 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 20:29:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 20:29:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 20:29:31 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.244]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:35:07 -0400 Message-ID: <003601c48a19$06664e40$f4b50642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:29:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another idea, and it is not expensive, would be to use Li-Ion camcorder batteries, and a universal charger. Most are 7.4 volts, so 2 in series is fine. Buy the batteries on ebay, tho- No good deals in Wal-Mart on these batteries. CC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Aug 24 13:32:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55246 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 20:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 20:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 20:32:37 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.244]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:38:12 -0400 Message-ID: <003e01c48a19$74a98a20$f4b50642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:32:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh that's right!- Plus I forgot about the exchange rate, too.... Speaking of Canada, and totally unrelated, we FINALLY have a Tim Hortons in Rochester! I was in heaven during the radio show last week. I had been in serious "maple frosted donut withdrawl" since my last visit to Alex K! CC ----- Original Message ----- From: christian breton To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:27 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio Thanks everybody !! This a message for Chris Cuff, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cbreton27@hotmail.com Tue Aug 24 13:47:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6258 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 20:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 20:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 20:47:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:47:12 -0700 Received: from 69.157.136.18 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:47:11 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:47:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2004 20:47:12.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[87F6B920:01C48A1B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.87 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.136.18] Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hey Chris ! Speaking of donuts, we have since April a Krispy Kreme in Quebec city, those donuts are so GOOD !! Christian >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:32:19 -0400 > >Oh that's right!- Plus I forgot about the exchange rate, too.... >Speaking of Canada, and totally unrelated, we FINALLY have a Tim Hortons in >Rochester! I was in heaven during the radio show last week. I had been in >serious "maple frosted donut withdrawl" since my last visit to Alex K! >CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: christian breton > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:27 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio > > > > Thanks everybody !! > > > This a message for Chris Cuff, > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Partagez une seule photo ou un diaporama complet dans MSN Messenger. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-ca&page=features/messenger Commencez dès maintenant à profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 14:22:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81317 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 21:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 21:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 21:22:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20040824212214.75733.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.93] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:22:14 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:22:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- christian breton wrote: > > > > Hey Chris ! > > > > Speaking of donuts, we have since April a Krispy > Kreme in Quebec city, those > donuts are so GOOD !! > > Christian Krispy Kreme started in Winston-Salem, NC in the mid 30's. One is close to me. ARRGH!! Now I have to go and get my sugar fix. HOT Krispy Kreme...MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 14:33:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35876 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 21:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 21:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52402.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.110) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 21:33:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20040824193155.35185.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.113] by web52402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:31:55 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:31:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.110 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- christian breton wrote: > Hi everybody ! > I'm still happy with my dodge shadow car radio with > am stereo (last night > 1520 wwkb buffalo was am stereo) > The radio is pluged on a small 12 volts battery and > this battery IS NOT > RECHARGEABLE !! so you know it takes a lot of power > on that battery so the > life is not very long !! > What i should get ? a car battery ? > Thanks you all for the answer > Christian You CAN. Or a marine deep charge battery is best for this purpose. You can also get a GEL battery with enough current to run the radio. Just make sure you do not discharge this battery too far and have a charger that can correctly charge this battery. Chris Cuff ?? Your opinion.... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Aug 24 15:02:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17041 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 22:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 22:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 22:02:14 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.109]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:07:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c48a25$f955f680$6db50642@4bmx301> To: References: <20040824193155.35185.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:01:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gel Cells are notorious for not coming back if deeply discharged. Ask any kid that has had one of those little riding cars that use those red gel cells... Marine batteries are fine if you like hernias. I have killed my garden tractor battery completely by forgetting to unhook the memory wire and leaving it for a long time, but it bounced right back. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 3:31 PM Just make sure you do not discharge this battery too far and have a charger that can correctly charge this battery. Chris Cuff ?? Your opinion.... Powell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Tue Aug 24 15:11:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6068 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 22:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 22:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.184) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 22:11:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:11:44 -0700 Received: from 69.34.164.61 by bay22-dav4.bay22.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:11:44 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:12:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2004 22:11:44.0995 (UTC) FILETIME=[5785A330:01C48A27] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.184 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [69.34.164.61] Subject: FS: (/\/\)otorola 1300 Exciter w/ partial manual. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd As the title states. includes manual which is missing some schematics. Nothing wrong with it just has been sitting on the shelf for a while doing nothing. I'll take pic's on request. it is in great condition. $350.00 + Shipping/Packing Will consider trades for a Rangemaster Part 15 Unit. Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 15:44:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88544 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 22:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 22:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52402.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.110) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 22:44:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20040824212019.8225.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.93] by web52402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:20:19 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:20:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.110 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- christian breton wrote: > > Thanks everybody !! > > > This a message for Chris Cuff, > > I would like to have the battery you have, but we no > longer have Kmart > stores in Canada. > > > Christian WalMart? Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 16:00:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67211 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 23:00:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 23:00:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 23:00:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20040824211923.87719.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.93] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:19:23 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:19:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > Why NiCad? Why not Li-Ion or NiMH? With those you > get better > > voltage and a longer charge for about the same > cost, plus longer > > life until recharge fatigue sets in. > > NiCads are awful. Even at full charge, they are > only rated at 1.25V > per cell, instead of the 1.5V for regular alkaline > batteries. Actually there are "nominally" 1.2 volts. At full charge it's higher. Alkalines are at least 1.6 volts. > They > drain down quickly in use, and even if you _don't_ > use them, NiCads > lose their charge over time. NiMh batteries are the same way....1% - 3% percent per DAY. And they also are nominally 1.2 V at full charge. They do however have MUCH higher capacities than NiCad batteries. Plus they will develop > a "memory effect" if you don't regularly let them >fully discharge. This has not been a problem with these batteries for many years. It's an urban legend. HOWEVER that said, BOTH NiCad and NiMH batteries can develp "crystal packs" that emulate this problem. A couple deep discharge and recharge cycles take care of this problem. And for NiMH batteries you should deep cycle them at least 5 times before putting them in service to get maximum use of the battery. This was a pain with the 9 amp D cells..... > My own solution for powering a car radio is a 12V > Sealed Lead Acid > "gel-cell" battery. One of these will power a car > radio for hours, > and they aren't too expensive. Get a matching > charger and you'll be > a happy camper. Just DO NOT let the voltage get too low on the battery or it may be ruined. I have a 6 volt 12 amp one for my DX-398. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Aug 24 16:23:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51771 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 23:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 23:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.179) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 23:23:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:22:26 -0700 Received: from 24.94.108.163 by bay12-dav5.bay12.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:22:26 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:22:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2004 23:22:26.0262 (UTC) FILETIME=[37839F60:01C48A31] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.179 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.108.163] Subject: Radio Quality X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As many on this list know, I am a certified RV service tech for the World's largest RV dealer. This gives me a chance to see all of the 2005 RVs before anybody else can see them. Sylvania has now entered the RV stereo market. Thor, one of the world's largest RV manufacturers is now installing these Sylvania Model QX-3201 12 Volt DC powered stereos in many travel trailers including the new Zeppelin line from Keystone RV. Here we are in the 2005 model year, a full 20 years after Bob Carver blew all of the audiophiles away with his ultra-high fidelity AM tuner, the TX-11b, and 16 years after expanded band AM tuners were in most all consumer electronics. Here Sylvania, once known for the world's best color TV sets, has produced one of the absolute worst stereos ever to hit the market! The AM tuner only tunes from 540 kHz to 1610 kHz, but that is OK because it is deaf! It was all the tuner could do to pick up AM 1010 WBZZ when you can actually SEE the towers! When a radio is properly installed and connected, no matter what, you should be able to pick up a 50,000 Watt radio station noise free when you are in the main lobe and can SEE the towers! The FM is average quality. In the Owner's Manual it lists the Frequency Response of the CD as 20Hz - 20kHz, yet the amp in it is rated at 160Hz - 6900Hz with 5 Watts max. total output! Linear Series is another "prize winner" that is featured in many Fleetwood, Skyline, Coachmen, and Thor RVs. It too only tunes to 1610, but it will pick up all of the local radio stations. Instead of having a knob for the tone control, it just has a high cut switch! It is low quality radios such as this Sylvania and Linear Series garbage that is chasing people away from AM, and FM too! The ONLY good RV radio out for this year is made by Audiovox Specialized Applications http://www.asaelectronics.com/index.html under their Voyager name brand. Voyager Model AWM-930 is actually a decent sounding radio with plenty of room for one of Chris Cuff's C-QUAM boards, if the internal electronics will allow it. This Voyager radio is in some American, Allegro, and Hi-LO RVs. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 16:55:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76071 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 23:55:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2004 23:55:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 23:55:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20040824231619.80952.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.73] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:16:19 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:16:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000f01c48a25$f955f680$6db50642@4bmx301> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Chris Cuff wrote: > Gel Cells are notorious for not coming back if > deeply discharged. Ask any kid that has had one of > those little riding cars that use those red gel > cells... Marine batteries are fine if you like > hernias. I have killed my garden tractor battery > completely by forgetting to unhook the memory wire > and leaving it for a long time, but it bounced right > back. > cc That is true. Is the limit 10 volts ( for a 12V battery) or is it higher? Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 17:17:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5663 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 00:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 00:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 00:17:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2004 00:16:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:16:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040824211923.87719.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1542 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.17 Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Just DO NOT let the voltage get too low on the battery > or it may be ruined. I have a 6 volt 12 amp one for > my DX-398. When using a 12-volt gel-cell battery with a car radio, it's easy to know when it's time to recharge -- the radio will start to power-cycle... i.e., it will sporadically turn itself off and then back on again. A typical car radio will draw about 1 amp of current when in use. I once hooked up four car radios to a "4.5 amp" 12V power supply, and the power supply overheated (it wasn't actually smoking, but it got very hot and produced a burnt-electronics smell). These power supplies are rated by their "peak load" amperage, so the constant load amperage is usually about 25% less. BTW, some DC power supplies, such as Tripp-Lite, have an adjustable voltage regulator; if you open up the case, there's a trim-pot on the circuit board which lets you adjust the output voltage, usually anywhere from at least 10 to 20 volts. This way, you can use one as a power supply for a laptop computer, which typically take an input of 16 or 19 volts DC. Car radios work best at 13.8 volts, as that's the output voltage of a car's alternator Tip: If you want a free DC power supply, look for an old, discarded Apple ][ computer. Inside the case, you'll find a high-quality Astec power supply. The one I got from an Apple ][ Plus is rated as +12V at 1.5A, +5V at 2.5A, and -12V and -5V both at 0.25A. It's a little too RF-noisy for use with an AM/shortwave receiver, but for any other use, it works great. From tomray@wor710.com Tue Aug 24 17:28:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50319 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 00:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 00:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 00:28:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2004 00:27:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:27:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 529 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: WPEN in Radio World (Sept 1 edition) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > IBOC needs clear reception of both sidebands in order to receive > "Enhanced Mode" Stereo, WRONG! Enhanced mode stereo will decode with reception of EITHER sideband. The 5kHz mode allows the radio to look at whichever sideband is best, and it will decode stereo, and the radio in this mode is only decoding ONE sideband. Running in 8kHz mode will require the radio to look at both sidebands to decode any of the digital signal. Tom Ray WOR From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Aug 24 17:39:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21624 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 00:39:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 00:39:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 00:39:43 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-10.skyweb.net [66.6.130.138]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7P0cHxV056217 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:38:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <412BDF16.30802@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:36:38 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: AM Stereo Lives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Ok Guys I have been making a few business trips.. and the Past 2 Vehicle Both Fords. 2004 Mustang 40th anniversary edition and a 2004 Explorer had AM Stereo radios.. Go Ford Go... Some Company is still manufacturing AM Stereo radios for Ford and they sound great.. Neal-CE WTTM > > From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Aug 24 17:48:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58135 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 00:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 00:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 00:48:57 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-10.skyweb.net [66.6.130.138]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7P0lcxV056247 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:47:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <412BE146.80409@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:45:58 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <15744943.2DE0CD71.022E759B@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <15744943.2DE0CD71.022E759B@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fatboy Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was Rock this town a live version Or studio? I was the FOH Engineer for the Straycats throughout High School ,and when they were touring... I usually Mixed their Live sound with some Stereo Seperation. These days im on the road mixing Urban Jazz Coalition(UJC) . bradleyj2@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 8/24/2004 10:31:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Jim Burgan" writes: > > > >> >> >> >>>Some time ago I was inquiring what was the most recent Top 40 hit >>>song to be recorded and released in _mono_... the general concensus >>>was that it was "Rock This Town", by the Stray Cats in 1982... >>>however, I've just discovered a much more recent instance of a >>>stereoless hit song -- "Praise You" by Fatboy Slim, a #27 U.S. hit >>>in 1999. The Radio Edit of this song is entirely monophonic, with >>>absolutely no stereo separation to be heard (at least on the "NOW 2" >>>compilation CD). >>> >>> >>The version we play on our Hot AC is stereo.. on the TM Century Hit Disc. >>The low-fi beginning is in mono but when it expands to full-fidelity, it is >>in stereo. >> >> >> > >I'm here at work checking our version...And on the Jones Radio Re-Current CD 599 it's 100% mono. > > > >btw Jim...Did you get any of my messages I sent off-list? > >- Brad Jackson >- Afternoon Drive/Imaging Director >- WKMX-FM Dothan, AL >- http://www.wkmx.com > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 18:23:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71105 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 01:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 01:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 01:23:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2004 01:23:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 01:23:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 379 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.147 Subject: Re: FS: (/\/\)otorola 1300 Exciter w/ partial manual. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > As the title states. includes manual which is missing some schematics. > Nothing wrong with it just has been sitting on the shelf for a while doing > nothing. I'll take pic's on request. it is in great condition. > > $350.00 + Shipping/Packing If I had $350+... :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From k6BLABBER@comcast.net Tue Aug 24 18:45:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: phonebone@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18618 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 01:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 01:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 01:45:32 -0000 Received: from 204.127.205.142 ([204.127.205.142]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004082500515001100c80kqe>; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:51:50 +0000 Received: from [144.160.130.16] by 204.127.205.142; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:51:47 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:51:47 +0000 Message-Id: <082520040051.19239.412BE29C000EED9E00004B2722007481840A02010D0A0201089F@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 16 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cGhvbmVib25lQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.55 X-eGroups-From: phonebone@comcast.net From: k6BLABBER@comcast.net Subject: Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio... {AMSF} Digest Number 1298 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153105479 X-Yahoo-Profile: K6BLAbber Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I find even an unregulated 12VDC Micronta from Radio Shack works great to p= ower a car stereo in the house, although you do risk getting some hum.=20=20 Tim Horton's, wow. Haven't heard about them for a while. Closest we have = here is a T.J. Cinnamon's co-located in an Arby's in Ripon, CA.=20=20 Krispy Kreme! The best! Although a funny thing happened a couple weeks ag= o, I stopped to get a couple dozen to take to work, and asked they include = some maple bars and maple glazed doughnuts. The voice in the menu box said= "We won't have maple again until the fall."=20=20 I never knew maple bars went out of season!=20=20 >Message: 17=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:32:19 -0400 > From: "Chris Cuff" >Subject: Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio > >Oh that's right!- Plus I forgot about the exchange rate, too....=20 >Speaking of Canada, and totally unrelated, we FINALLY have a Tim Hortons i= n >Rochester! I was in heaven during the radio show last week. I had been i= n=20 >serious "maple frosted donut withdrawl" since my last visit to Alex K!=20 >CC -------------- Original message --------------=20 >=20 >=20 > There are 25 messages in this issue.=20 >=20 > Topics in this digest:=20 >=20 > 1. Re: Fatboy Mono=20 > From: "Jim Burgan"=20 > 2. Re: Fatboy Mono=20 > From: "narkspud"=20 > 3. 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > From: "christian breton"=20 > 4. RE: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO"=20 > 5. Re: Fatboy Mono=20 > From: "Douglas"=20 > 6. Re: Fatboy Mono=20 > From: bradleyj2@aol.com=20 > 7. Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > From: "Amy Mousie"=20 > 8. Re: Fatboy Mono=20 > From: "Amy Mousie"=20 > 9. Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO"=20 > 10. RE: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 > 11. Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 > 12. Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > From: "Chris Cuff"=20 > 13. Re: Fatboy Mono=20 > From: "Kevin T."=20 > 14. Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > From: "Kevin T."=20 > 15. Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > From: "christian breton"=20 > 16. Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > From: "Chris Cuff"=20 > 17. Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > From: "Chris Cuff"=20 > 18. Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > From: "christian breton"=20 > 19. Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 > 20. Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 > 21. Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > From: "Chris Cuff"=20 > 22. FS: (/\/\)otorola 1300 Exciter w/ partial manual.=20 > From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis"=20 > 23. Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 > 24. Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 > 25. Radio Quality=20 > From: "Possum Hunter"=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 1=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:31:55 -0500=20 > From: "Jim Burgan"=20 > Subject: Re: Fatboy Mono=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Some time ago I was inquiring what was the most recent Top 40 hit=20 > > song to be recorded and released in _mono_... the general concensus=20 > > was that it was "Rock This Town", by the Stray Cats in 1982...=20 > > however, I've just discovered a much more recent instance of a=20 > > stereoless hit song -- "Praise You" by Fatboy Slim, a #27 U.S. hit=20 > > in 1999. The Radio Edit of this song is entirely monophonic, with=20 > > absolutely no stereo separation to be heard (at least on the "NOW 2"=20 > > compilation CD).=20 >=20 > The version we play on our Hot AC is stereo.. on the TM Century Hit Disc.= =20 > The low-fi beginning is in mono but when it expands to full-fidelity, it = is=20 > in stereo.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 2=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:55:48 -0000=20 > From: "narkspud"=20 > Subject: Re: Fatboy Mono=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote:=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > > Some time ago I was inquiring what was the most recent Top 40 hit=20 > > > song to be recorded and released in _mono_... the general concensus=20 > > > was that it was "Rock This Town", by the Stray Cats in 1982...=20 > > > however, I've just discovered a much more recent instance of a=20 > > > stereoless hit song -- "Praise You" by Fatboy Slim, a #27 U.S. hit=20 > > > in 1999. The Radio Edit of this song is entirely monophonic, with=20 > > > absolutely no stereo separation to be heard (at least on the "NOW 2"= =20 > > > compilation CD).=20 > >=20 > > The version we play on our Hot AC is stereo.. on the TM Century Hit Dis= c.=20 > > The low-fi beginning is in mono but when it expands to full-fidelity, i= t is=20 > > in stereo.=20 >=20 > Perhaps, but I can confirm its 100% mononess on the "Now" CD mentioned ab= ove.=20 > I'd=20 > always assumed it was just a mastering mistake by the friendly folks at "= Now,"=20 > but since=20 > you mentioned it, I don't think I've ever heard that particular mix in st= ereo.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 3=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:21:47 -0400=20 > From: "christian breton"=20 > Subject: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi everybody !=20 >=20 >=20 > I'm still happy with my dodge shadow car radio with am stereo (last night= =20 > 1520 wwkb buffalo was am stereo)=20 >=20 > The radio is pluged on a small 12 volts battery and this battery IS NOT=20 > RECHARGEABLE !! so you know it takes a lot of power on that battery so th= e=20 > life is not very long !!=20 >=20 > What i should get ? a car battery ?=20 >=20 > Thanks you all for the answer=20 >=20 > Christian=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________=20 > Balayez vos courriels entrants et sortants et les pi=E8ces jointes et=20 > contribuez =E0 =E9liminer les virus destructeurs susceptibles d=92y =EAtr= e int=E9gr=E9s.=20 > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=3Dfr-ca&page=3Dfeatures/virus Commencez d= =E8s=20 > maintenant =E0 profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez l= es=20 > deux premiers mois GRATUITS*.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 4=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:33:14 -0400=20 > From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO"=20 > Subject: RE: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 >=20 > Christian,=20 >=20 > A 12 volt lawn mower starter battery should do you just fine. You will ne= ed=20 > a trickle charger for the times the radio is off, and you should have som= e=20 > means of keeping the battery vented to the outside air, as lead acid=20 > batteries generate explosive gasses when being charged. The entire cost f= or=20 > the battery and trickle charger, if bought at a place like WalMart should= =20 > not exceed $35.00 US.=20 >=20 > Another option is to go to radio shack and get a set of plastic holders f= or=20 > NiCad batteries that total out to about 12.5 volts. You can then go to=20 > WalMart, buy the NiCads and Charger, and while one set of NiCads is runni= ng=20 > your radio, the other set could be on charge. This would be the more=20 > expensive of the two options, but would have the advantage of not requiri= ng=20 > any venting, as NiCads don't give off explosive gasses when being charged= .=20 >=20 > Just my 5 cents (inflation, you know) worth.=20 >=20 > MTGC (Michael)=20 >=20 >=20 > >From: "christian breton"=20 > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > >Subject: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:21:47 -0400=20 > >MIME-Version: 1.0=20 > >X-Originating-IP: [69.157.136.18]=20 > >X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com]=20 > >X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com=20 > >Received: from n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.79]) by=20 > >mc6-f10.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 24 Aug 2= 004=20 > >08:22:46 -0700=20 > >Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Au= g=20 > >2004 15:21:50 -0000=20 > >Received: (qmail 50690 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 15:21:48 -0000= =20 > >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQ= P;=20 > >24 Aug 2004 15:21:48 -0000=20 > >Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.77) by=20 > >mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 15:21:48 -0000=20 > >Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC= ;=20 > >Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:21:47 -0700=20 > >Received: from 69.157.136.18 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;T= ue,=20 > >24 Aug 2004 15:21:47 GMT=20 > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jE5JVVyt2UpLm5JSwK1usc+=20 > >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email=20 > >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > >Message-ID:=20 > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2004 15:21:47.0962 (UTC)=20 > >FILETIME=3D[128C41A0:01C489EE]=20 > >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.77=20 > >X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973=20 > >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact=20 > >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com=20 > >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > >Precedence: bulk=20 > >List-Unsubscribe:=20 > >Return-Path:=20 > >sentto-4085512-18403-1093360909-mtgc=3Dhotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.= com=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >Hi everybody !=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >I'm still happy with my dodge shadow car radio with am stereo (last nigh= t=20 > >1520 wwkb buffalo was am stereo)=20 > >=20 > >The radio is pluged on a small 12 volts battery and this battery IS NOT= =20 > >RECHARGEABLE !! so you know it takes a lot of power on that battery so t= he=20 > >life is not very long !!=20 > >=20 > >What i should get ? a car battery ?=20 > >=20 > >Thanks you all for the answer=20 > >=20 > >Christian=20 > >=20 > >_________________________________________________________________=20 > >Balayez vos courriels entrants et sortants et les pi=E8ces jointes et=20 > >contribuez =E0 =E9liminer les virus destructeurs susceptibles d=92y =EAt= re=20 > >int=E9gr=E9s.=20 > > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=3Dfr-ca&page=3Dfeatures/virus Commencez d= =E8s=20 > >maintenant =E0 profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez = les=20 > >deux premiers mois GRATUITS*.=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 5=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:02:20 -0000=20 > From: "Douglas"=20 > Subject: Re: Fatboy Mono=20 >=20 > Are we absolutely sure about Rock This Town being mono? I don't have a co= py,=20 > but=20 > I've asked around... and I keep hearing from people that it is VERY narro= w but=20 > still=20 > stereo. Any confirmations?=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 6=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:25:54 -0400=20 > From: bradleyj2@aol.com=20 > Subject: Re: Fatboy Mono=20 >=20 > In a message dated 8/24/2004 10:31:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Jim Burg= an"=20 > writes:=20 >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >> Some time ago I was inquiring what was the most recent Top 40 hit=20 > >> song to be recorded and released in _mono_... the general concensus=20 > >> was that it was "Rock This Town", by the Stray Cats in 1982...=20 > >> however, I've just discovered a much more recent instance of a=20 > >> stereoless hit song -- "Praise You" by Fatboy Slim, a #27 U.S. hit=20 > >> in 1999. The Radio Edit of this song is entirely monophonic, with=20 > >> absolutely no stereo separation to be heard (at least on the "NOW 2"=20 > >> compilation CD).=20 > >=20 > >The version we play on our Hot AC is stereo.. on the TM Century Hit Disc= .=20 > >The low-fi beginning is in mono but when it expands to full-fidelity, it= is=20 > >in stereo.=20 > >=20 >=20 > I'm here at work checking our version...And on the Jones Radio Re-Current= CD 599=20 > it's 100% mono.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > btw Jim...Did you get any of my messages I sent off-list?=20 >=20 > - Brad Jackson=20 > - Afternoon Drive/Imaging Director=20 > - WKMX-FM Dothan, AL=20 > - http://www.wkmx.com=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 7=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:45:53 -0000=20 > From: "Amy Mousie"=20 > Subject: Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON -=20 > CEO" wrote:=20 > >=20 > > Another option is to go to radio shack and get a set of plastic=20 > holders for=20 > > NiCad batteries that total out to about 12.5 volts. You can then=20 > go to=20 > > WalMart, buy the NiCads and Charger, and while one set of NiCads is=20 > running=20 > > your radio, the other set could be on charge. This would be the=20 > more=20 > > expensive of the two options, but would have the advantage of not=20 > requiring=20 > > any venting, as NiCads don't give off explosive gasses when being=20 > charged.=20 >=20 > Why NiCad? Why not Li-Ion or NiMH? With those you get better voltage=20 > and a longer charge for about the same cost, plus longer life until=20 > recharge fatigue sets in.=20 >=20 > Also, I'm not sure if a regulated 12V power supply would work with=20 > such a unit, with some RFI shielding.=20 >=20 > If you have a decent hobbyist electronics store that local hams go to=20 > (good indicator), they might have a good 12V power supply you could=20 > use.=20 >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 8=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:52:54 -0000=20 > From: "Amy Mousie"=20 > Subject: Re: Fatboy Mono=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas"=20 > wrote:=20 > > Are we absolutely sure about Rock This Town being mono? I don't=20 > have a copy, but=20 > > I've asked around... and I keep hearing from people that it is VERY=20 > narrow but still=20 > > stereo. Any confirmations?=20 >=20 > If there is any, it's in the echo/reverb.=20 >=20 > Even the 1982/1983 UK #1 hit "I Melt With You"- the original mix- by=20 > Modern English, is mixed completely mono. (The 1991 remixes are=20 > stereo.)=20 >=20 > Alot of reggae is still released in mono to this day, mostly from=20 > cheesy streetside recording studios using prerecorded tracks.=20 >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 9=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:20:41 -0400=20 > From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO"=20 > Subject: Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 >=20 > I agree with Amy that Li-Ion or NiMH would probably give you a bigger ban= g=20 > for the buck. You can find such batteries, and their chargers at WalMart,= =20 > among other places. I use the NIMH batteries for my Strobe units and they= =20 > work very well.=20 >=20 > The 12 volt lawn mower battery would be used during operating sessions (i= e=20 > with the radio on) and the trickle charger would only be used when the ra= dio=20 > was off.=20 >=20 > You can buy 12 volt supplies from Radio Shack, among others. I use a 12=20 > volt 4 amp unit I bought from the shack to power my 12 volt CB radios. It= =20 > does fine, and I only had to utilize a CB filter system, also available f= rom=20 > the shack to get good quiet 12 volts DC.=20 >=20 > Hope all of this helps.=20 >=20 > MTGC (Michael)=20 >=20 >=20 > >From: "Amy Mousie"=20 > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:45:53 -0000=20 > >MIME-Version: 1.0=20 > >X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.147=20 > >X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com=20 > >Received: from n54.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.67.65]) by=20 > >mc9-f22.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Tue, 24 Aug 2= 004=20 > >10:48:58 -0700=20 > >Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Au= g=20 > >2004 17:46:12 -0000=20 > >Received: (qmail 40692 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2004 17:46:11 -0000= =20 > >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQ= P;=20 > >24 Aug 2004 17:46:11 -0000=20 > >Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by=20 > >mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2004 17:46:10 -0000=20 > >Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 A= ug=20 > >2004 17:45:54 -0000=20 > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFusGYAAORUlMZCt8oxGsoQ=20 > >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email=20 > >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > >Message-ID:=20 > >In-Reply-To:=20 > >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82=20 > >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster=20 > >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67=20 > >X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie=20 > >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact=20 > >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com=20 > >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > >Precedence: bulk=20 > >List-Unsubscribe:=20 > >Return-Path:=20 > >sentto-4085512-18407-1093369571-mtgc=3Dhotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.= com=20 > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2004 17:48:58.0107 (UTC)=20 > >FILETIME=3D[A1B974B0:01C48A02]=20 > >=20 > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON -=20 > > CEO" wrote:=20 > > >=20 > > > Another option is to go to radio shack and get a set of plastic=20 > >holders for=20 > > > NiCad batteries that total out to about 12.5 volts. You can then=20 > >go to=20 > > > WalMart, buy the NiCads and Charger, and while one set of NiCads is=20 > >running=20 > > > your radio, the other set could be on charge. This would be the=20 > >more=20 > > > expensive of the two options, but would have the advantage of not=20 > >requiring=20 > > > any venting, as NiCads don't give off explosive gasses when being=20 > >charged.=20 > >=20 > >Why NiCad? Why not Li-Ion or NiMH? With those you get better voltage=20 > >and a longer charge for about the same cost, plus longer life until=20 > >recharge fatigue sets in.=20 > >=20 > >Also, I'm not sure if a regulated 12V power supply would work with=20 > >such a unit, with some RFI shielding.=20 > >=20 > >If you have a decent hobbyist electronics store that local hams go to=20 > >(good indicator), they might have a good 12V power supply you could=20 > >use.=20 > >=20 > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 10=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:34:43 -0700 (PDT)=20 > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 > Subject: RE: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 >=20 >=20 > --- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO=20 > wrote:=20 >=20 > > Christian,=20 > >=20 > > A 12 volt lawn mower starter battery should do you=20 > > just fine. You will need=20 > > a trickle charger for the times the radio is off,=20 > > and you should have some=20 > > means of keeping the battery vented to the outside=20 > > air, as lead acid=20 > > batteries generate explosive gasses when being=20 > > charged. The entire cost for=20 > > the battery and trickle charger, if bought at a=20 > > place like WalMart should=20 > > not exceed $35.00 US.=20 >=20 > > Another option is to go to radio shack and get a set=20 > > of plastic holders for=20 > > NiCad batteries that total out to about 12.5 volts.=20 > > You can then go to=20 > > WalMart, buy the NiCads and Charger, and while one=20 > > set of NiCads is running=20 > > your radio, the other set could be on charge. This=20 > > would be the more=20 > > expensive of the two options, but would have the=20 > > advantage of not requiring=20 > > any venting, as NiCads don't give off explosive=20 > > gasses when being charged.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Wal Mart does NOT have any D cell rechargeables or=20 > chargers. If you go that route get the MAHA charger=20 > that can charge those D cells and they also have D=20 > cell rechargeables that are 9 amps RS ones last look=20 > were 4.5 amps. I did see some 11+ amp D cells. As a=20 > note the better alkaline batteries are 18 amps=20 > ( 18,000 ma)=20 >=20 > Powell=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 > powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 11=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:41:32 -0700 (PDT)=20 > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 > Subject: Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Amy Mousie wrote:=20 >=20 > > > Another option is to go to radio shack and get a=20 > > set of plastic=20 > > holders for=20 > > > NiCad batteries that total out to about 12.5=20 > > volts. You can then=20 > > go to=20 > > > WalMart, buy the NiCads and Charger, and while one=20 > > set of NiCads is=20 > > running=20 > > > your radio, the other set could be on charge.=20 >=20 >=20 > Amy I didn't notice this before, but WalMart does NOT=20 > have ANY NiCad batteries, nor D cell NiMH's. That said=20 > on the Eveready site, their D cell NiMH batteries are=20 > 2200 ma and the (!!!!!!) AA cells are 2300 ma.=20 >=20 >=20 > > This would be the=20 > > more=20 > > > expensive of the two options, but would have the=20 > > advantage of not=20 > > requiring=20 > > > any venting, as NiCads don't give off explosive=20 > > gasses when being=20 > > charged.=20 >=20 > > Why NiCad? Why not Li-Ion or NiMH? With those you=20 > > get better voltage=20 > > and a longer charge for about the same cost, plus=20 > > longer life until=20 > > recharge fatigue sets in.=20 >=20 >=20 > I have not seen Li-Ion batteries in D formation. And=20 > in my other post I did find 11 amp NiMH batteries.=20 > They are not inexpensive. Enough of those to run the=20 > radio would run at least $150.=20 >=20 >=20 > > Also, I'm not sure if a regulated 12V power supply=20 > > would work with such a unit, with some RFI=20 > >shielding.=20 >=20 > Not necessarily but look at my comments below.=20 >=20 >=20 > > If you have a decent hobbyist electronics store that=20 > > local hams go to (good indicator), they might have=20 > >a good 12V power supply you could use.=20 >=20 >=20 > As long as you get a good regulated power supply that=20 > has the capacity to run the radio and IS NOT one with=20 > a switching power supply. Usually these are reserved=20 > for higher current units.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 > powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 12=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:02:12 -0400=20 > From: "Chris Cuff"=20 > Subject: Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 >=20 > Kmart has garden tractor batteries for $17.99- they work great, you can g= et a=20 > lot of life out of them before recharge, and they take a lot of abuse. Mi= ne is=20 > going on 7 years old now, and still works fine.=20 > Chris=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 13=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:13:44 -0000=20 > From: "Kevin T."=20 > Subject: Re: Fatboy Mono=20 >=20 > > Are we absolutely sure about Rock This Town being mono? I don't=20 > > have a copy, but I've asked around... and I keep hearing from=20 > > people that it is VERY narrow but still stereo. Any confirmations?=20 >=20 > "Rock This Town" is mono, with a touch of stereo reverb added. So,=20 > it has a bit of "space" to the sound, but no true stereo separation.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 14=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:21:00 -0000=20 > From: "Kevin T."=20 > Subject: Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 >=20 > > Why NiCad? Why not Li-Ion or NiMH? With those you get better=20 > > voltage and a longer charge for about the same cost, plus longer=20 > > life until recharge fatigue sets in.=20 >=20 > NiCads are awful. Even at full charge, they are only rated at 1.25V=20 > per cell, instead of the 1.5V for regular alkaline batteries. They=20 > drain down quickly in use, and even if you _don't_ use them, NiCads=20 > lose their charge over time. Plus they will develop a "memory=20 > effect" if you don't regularly let them fully discharge.=20 >=20 > My own solution for powering a car radio is a 12V Sealed Lead Acid=20 > "gel-cell" battery. One of these will power a car radio for hours,=20 > and they aren't too expensive. Get a matching charger and you'll be=20 > a happy camper.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 15=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:27:44 -0400=20 > From: "christian breton"=20 > Subject: Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks everybody !!=20 >=20 >=20 > This a message for Chris Cuff,=20 >=20 > I would like to have the battery you have, but we no longer have Kmart=20 > stores in Canada.=20 >=20 >=20 > Christian=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > >From: "Chris Cuff"=20 > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > >To:=20 > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:02:12 -0400=20 > >=20 > >Kmart has garden tractor batteries for $17.99- they work great, you can = get=20 > >a lot of life out of them before recharge, and they take a lot of abuse.= =20 > >Mine is going on 7 years old now, and still works fine.=20 > >Chris=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]=20 > >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________=20 > Balayez vos courriels entrants et sortants et les pi=E8ces jointes et=20 > contribuez =E0 =E9liminer les virus destructeurs susceptibles d=92y =EAtr= e int=E9gr=E9s.=20 > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=3Dfr-ca&page=3Dfeatures/virus Commencez d= =E8s=20 > maintenant =E0 profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez l= es=20 > deux premiers mois GRATUITS*.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 16=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:29:14 -0400=20 > From: "Chris Cuff"=20 > Subject: Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 >=20 > Another idea, and it is not expensive, would be to use Li-Ion camcorder=20 > batteries, and a universal charger. Most are 7.4 volts, so 2 in series is= fine.=20 > Buy the batteries on ebay, tho- No good deals in Wal-Mart on these batter= ies.=20 > CC=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 17=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:32:19 -0400=20 > From: "Chris Cuff"=20 > Subject: Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 >=20 > Oh that's right!- Plus I forgot about the exchange rate, too....=20 > Speaking of Canada, and totally unrelated, we FINALLY have a Tim Hortons = in=20 > Rochester! I was in heaven during the radio show last week. I had been in= =20 > serious "maple frosted donut withdrawl" since my last visit to Alex K!=20 > CC=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: christian breton=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:27 PM=20 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks everybody !!=20 >=20 >=20 > This a message for Chris Cuff,=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 18=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:47:11 -0400=20 > From: "christian breton"=20 > Subject: Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hey Chris !=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Speaking of donuts, we have since April a Krispy Kreme in Quebec city, th= ose=20 > donuts are so GOOD !!=20 >=20 > Christian=20 >=20 >=20 > >From: "Chris Cuff"=20 > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > >To:=20 > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:32:19 -0400=20 > >=20 > >Oh that's right!- Plus I forgot about the exchange rate, too....=20 > >Speaking of Canada, and totally unrelated, we FINALLY have a Tim Hortons= in=20 > >Rochester! I was in heaven during the radio show last week. I had been i= n=20 > >serious "maple frosted donut withdrawl" since my last visit to Alex K!=20 > >CC=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: christian breton=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:27 PM=20 > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Thanks everybody !!=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > This a message for Chris Cuff,=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]=20 > >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________=20 > Partagez une seule photo ou un diaporama complet dans MSN Messenger.=20 > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=3Dfr-ca&page=3Dfeatures/messenger Commencez= d=E8s=20 > maintenant =E0 profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez l= es=20 > deux premiers mois GRATUITS*.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 19=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:22:14 -0700 (PDT)=20 > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 > Subject: Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 >=20 >=20 > --- christian breton wrote:=20 >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Hey Chris !=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Speaking of donuts, we have since April a Krispy=20 > > Kreme in Quebec city, those=20 > > donuts are so GOOD !!=20 > >=20 > > Christian=20 >=20 >=20 > Krispy Kreme started in Winston-Salem, NC in the mid=20 > 30's. One is close to me. ARRGH!! Now I have to go=20 > and get my sugar fix. HOT Krispy=20 > Kreme...MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 > powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 20=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:31:55 -0700 (PDT)=20 > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 > Subject: Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 >=20 >=20 > --- christian breton wrote:=20 >=20 > > Hi everybody !=20 >=20 > > I'm still happy with my dodge shadow car radio with=20 > > am stereo (last night=20 > > 1520 wwkb buffalo was am stereo)=20 >=20 > > The radio is pluged on a small 12 volts battery and=20 > > this battery IS NOT=20 > > RECHARGEABLE !! so you know it takes a lot of power=20 > > on that battery so the=20 > > life is not very long !!=20 >=20 > > What i should get ? a car battery ?=20 > > Thanks you all for the answer=20 >=20 > > Christian=20 >=20 >=20 > You CAN. Or a marine deep charge battery is best for=20 > this purpose. You can also get a GEL battery with=20 > enough current to run the radio. Just make sure you do=20 > not discharge this battery too far and have a charger=20 > that can correctly charge this battery.=20 >=20 > Chris Cuff ?? Your opinion....=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 > powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 21=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:01:56 -0400=20 > From: "Chris Cuff"=20 > Subject: Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 >=20 > Gel Cells are notorious for not coming back if deeply discharged. Ask any= kid=20 > that has had one of those little riding cars that use those red gel cells= ...=20 > Marine batteries are fine if you like hernias. I have killed my garden tr= actor=20 > battery completely by forgetting to unhook the memory wire and leaving it= for a=20 > long time, but it bounced right back.=20 > cc=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 3:31 PM=20 > Just make sure you do=20 > not discharge this battery too far and have a charger=20 > that can correctly charge this battery.=20 >=20 > Chris Cuff ?? Your opinion....=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 22=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:12:00 -0400=20 > From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis"=20 > Subject: FS: (/\/\)otorola 1300 Exciter w/ partial manual.=20 >=20 > As the title states. includes manual which is missing some schematics.=20 > Nothing wrong with it just has been sitting on the shelf for a while doin= g=20 > nothing. I'll take pic's on request. it is in great condition.=20 >=20 > $350.00 + Shipping/Packing=20 >=20 > Will consider trades for a Rangemaster Part 15 Unit.=20 >=20 > Thanks,=20 >=20 > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis=20 > Universal Life Ministries [ULC]=20 >=20 > 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo=20 > 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!!=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 23=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:20:19 -0700 (PDT)=20 > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 > Subject: Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 >=20 >=20 > --- christian breton wrote:=20 >=20 > >=20 > > Thanks everybody !!=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > This a message for Chris Cuff,=20 > >=20 > > I would like to have the battery you have, but we no=20 > > longer have Kmart=20 > > stores in Canada.=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Christian=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > WalMart?=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 > powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 24=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:19:23 -0700 (PDT)=20 > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 > Subject: Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio=20 >=20 >=20 > --- "Kevin T." wrote:=20 >=20 > > > Why NiCad? Why not Li-Ion or NiMH? With those you=20 > > get better=20 > > > voltage and a longer charge for about the same=20 > > cost, plus longer=20 > > > life until recharge fatigue sets in.=20 > >=20 > > NiCads are awful. Even at full charge, they are=20 > > only rated at 1.25V=20 > > per cell, instead of the 1.5V for regular alkaline=20 > > batteries.=20 >=20 > Actually there are "nominally" 1.2 volts. At full=20 > charge it's higher. Alkalines are at least 1.6 volts.=20 >=20 >=20 > > They=20 > > drain down quickly in use, and even if you _don't_=20 > > use them, NiCads=20 > > lose their charge over time.=20 >=20 >=20 > NiMh batteries are the same way....1% - 3% percent per=20 > DAY. And they also are nominally 1.2 V at full charge.=20 > They do however have MUCH higher capacities than=20 > NiCad batteries.=20 >=20 >=20 > Plus they will develop=20 > > a "memory effect" if you don't regularly let them=20 > >fully discharge.=20 >=20 > This has not been a problem with these batteries for=20 > many years. It's an urban legend. HOWEVER that said,=20 > BOTH NiCad and NiMH batteries can develp "crystal=20 > packs" that emulate this problem. A couple deep=20 > discharge and recharge cycles take care of this=20 > problem. And for NiMH batteries you should deep cycle=20 > them at least 5 times before putting them in service=20 > to get maximum use of the battery. This was a pain=20 > with the 9 amp D cells.....=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > My own solution for powering a car radio is a 12V=20 > > Sealed Lead Acid=20 > > "gel-cell" battery. One of these will power a car=20 > > radio for hours,=20 > > and they aren't too expensive. Get a matching=20 > > charger and you'll be=20 > > a happy camper.=20 >=20 > Just DO NOT let the voltage get too low on the battery=20 > or it may be ruined. I have a 6 volt 12 amp one for=20 > my DX-398.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 > powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 > Message: 25=20 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:22:24 -0400=20 > From: "Possum Hunter"=20 > Subject: Radio Quality=20 >=20 > As many on this list know, I am a certified RV service tech for the World= 's=20 > largest RV dealer. This gives me a chance to see all of the 2005 RVs befo= re=20 > anybody else can see them. Sylvania has now entered the RV stereo market.= Thor,=20 > one of the world's largest RV manufacturers is now installing these Sylva= nia=20 > Model QX-3201 12 Volt DC powered stereos in many travel trailers includin= g the=20 > new Zeppelin line from Keystone RV.=20 >=20 > Here we are in the 2005 model year, a full 20 years after Bob Carver blew= all of=20 > the audiophiles away with his ultra-high fidelity AM tuner, the TX-11b, a= nd 16=20 > years after expanded band AM tuners were in most all consumer electronics= . Here=20 > Sylvania, once known for the world's best color TV sets, has produced one= of the=20 > absolute worst stereos ever to hit the market! The AM tuner only tunes fr= om 540=20 > kHz to 1610 kHz, but that is OK because it is deaf! It was all the tuner = could=20 > do to pick up AM 1010 WBZZ when you can actually SEE the towers! When a r= adio is=20 > properly installed and connected, no matter what, you should be able to p= ick up=20 > a 50,000 Watt radio station noise free when you are in the main lobe and = can SEE=20 > the towers!=20 >=20 > The FM is average quality.=20 >=20 > In the Owner's Manual it lists the Frequency Response of the CD as 20Hz -= 20kHz,=20 > yet the amp in it is rated at 160Hz - 6900Hz with 5 Watts max. total outp= ut!=20 >=20 > Linear Series is another "prize winner" that is featured in many Fleetwoo= d,=20 > Skyline, Coachmen, and Thor RVs. It too only tunes to 1610, but it will p= ick up=20 > all of the local radio stations. Instead of having a knob for the tone co= ntrol,=20 > it just has a high cut switch!=20 >=20 > It is low quality radios such as this Sylvania and Linear Series garbage = that is=20 > chasing people away from AM, and FM too!=20 >=20 > The ONLY good RV radio out for this year is made by Audiovox Specialized= =20 > Applications http://www.asaelectronics.com/index.html under their Voyager= name=20 > brand. Voyager Model AWM-930 is actually a decent sounding radio with ple= nty of=20 > room for one of Chris Cuff's C-QUAM boards, if the internal electronics w= ill=20 > allow it.=20 >=20 > This Voyager radio is in some American, Allegro, and Hi-LO RVs.=20 >=20 > Kevin in Tampa=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical=20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn= =20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 > ________________________________________________________________________= =20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at:=20 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------= =20 > Yahoo! Groups Links=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------= =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 18:49:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49887 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 01:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 01:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 01:49:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2004 01:49:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 01:49:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <412BDF16.30802@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 857 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.147 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Lives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > Ok Guys > I have been making a few business trips.. > and the Past 2 Vehicle Both Fords. > 2004 Mustang 40th anniversary edition > and a 2004 Explorer had AM Stereo radios.. > Go Ford Go... > Some Company is still manufacturing AM Stereo radios for Ford > and they sound great.. Hey, Neal- Nice to see you back here. :) Anyhoo, it's not the '04s I was worried about, but the '05s, for the obvious reason: It's the 20th anniversary of the contracts that put AMS radios in US-made cars & trucks in the first place, this year, which I think expire with the release of the '05 models, just as it started with the '85 models. But yes, SOMEBODY is still making them, so that means SOMEBODY is still making chips.....or trying to use up what supply is left. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 18:55:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88006 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 01:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 01:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 01:51:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2004 01:51:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 01:51:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <412BE146.80409@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 378 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.147 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fatboy Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > Was Rock this town a live version Or studio? I was the FOH Engineer for > the Straycats throughout High School ,and when they were touring... I > usually Mixed their Live sound with some Stereo Seperation. > These days im on the road mixing Urban Jazz Coalition(UJC) > . Studio. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 18:56:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24539 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 01:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 01:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 01:56:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2004 01:56:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 01:56:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <082520040051.19239.412BE29C000EED9E00004B2722007481840A02010D0A0201089F@comcast.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 314 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.147 Subject: Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio... {AMSF} Digest Number 1298 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, k6BLABBER@c... wrote: > I find even an unregulated 12VDC Micronta from Radio Shack works great to power a car stereo in the house, although you do risk getting some hum. That's precisel.y why you need a regulated power supply- It reduces hum in the DC. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue Aug 24 19:43:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95270 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 02:43:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 02:43:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 02:43:30 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.242] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:42:30 -0600 Message-ID: <009801c48a4d$813ba0a0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:44:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2004 02:43:29.0508 (UTC) FILETIME=[4DC4E240:01C48A4D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Quality X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's dreadful news. You'd think for all the bucks an RV costs, they could at least put in a halfway decent radio in them. This tuning only to 1610 thing also ticks me off. I think I'll post to the radiotech forum and see what sort of answer I get. Might be a few days as setting up for the Minn. State Fair is taking almost all of my time. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > Here we are in the 2005 model year, a full 20 years after Bob Carver blew all of the audiophiles away with his ultra-high fidelity AM tuner, the TX-11b, and 16 years after expanded band AM tuners were in most all consumer electronics. Here Sylvania, once known for the world's best color TV sets, has produced one of the absolute worst stereos ever to hit the market! The AM tuner only tunes from 540 kHz to 1610 kHz, but that is OK because it is deaf! It was all the tuner could do to pick up AM 1010 WBZZ when you can actually SEE the towers! From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 20:31:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3509 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 03:31:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 03:31:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52404.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.112) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 03:31:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20040825020054.58862.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.122] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:00:54 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:00:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.112 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Enhanced mode MW IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > > > IBOC needs clear reception of both sidebands in > order to receive > > "Enhanced Mode" Stereo, > > > WRONG! Enhanced mode stereo will decode with > reception of EITHER > sideband. The 5kHz mode allows the radio to look at > whichever > sideband is best, and it will decode stereo, and the > radio in this > mode is only decoding ONE sideband. When ( as signal levels drop ) does this fall back. > Running in 8kHz > mode will require > the radio to look at both sidebands to decode any of > the digital signal. > > Tom Ray Same question for 6.2 and 8 kilohertz mode. BTW....audio on WSAI sounds like they gave up on 6.2 mode and are running 5 kilohertz. Or is there a 4.5 kilohertz mode? They are running the IBOC again until sunset in Bakersfield, the time they go DA. I'm glad I am not in Nashville, and listen to WLAC! Interesting note that WSAI, though quite good here doesn't clobber WLAC, but in Nashville where WSAI smokes in on skywave, creates very substantial interference to WLAC well into primary coverage. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 20:32:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93631 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 03:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 03:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52404.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.112) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 03:32:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20040825020404.61013.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.122] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:04:04 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:04:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.112 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio... {AMSF} Digest Number 1298 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, k6BLABBER@c... > wrote: > > I find even an unregulated 12VDC Micronta from > Radio Shack works > great to power a car stereo in the house, although > you do risk > getting some hum. > That's precisel.y why you need a regulated power > supply- It reduces > hum in the DC. > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ No, that's not the "feature" of a regulated supply. A regulated supply makes sure the voltage is correct unloaded or loaded. I can make a non regulated supply quite quiet ( try typing that fast 10 times...), but not good to use on some equipment due to BIG voltage variations. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 21:23:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86920 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 04:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 04:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14223.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 04:23:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20040825042346.33740.qmail@web14223.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.0.194.48] by web14223.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:23:46 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:23:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.171.107 From: "John P." Subject: Battery in Canada X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Christian wrote: "...but we no longer have Kmart stores in Canada." I would try 'Canadian Tire' or Zeller's stores up there. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 21:28:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15674 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 04:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 04:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 04:28:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2004 04:28:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 04:28:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040825020404.61013.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 873 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.147 Subject: Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio... {AMSF} Digest Number 1298 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Amy Mousie wrote: -snip- > No, that's not the "feature" of a regulated supply. A > regulated supply makes sure the voltage is correct > unloaded or loaded. I can make a non regulated supply > quite quiet ( try typing that fast 10 times...), but > not good to use on some equipment due to BIG voltage > variations. Quite correct- It's not a feature, but IS a benefit as a result from the voltage regulation. It's because of this (and the inherent stability a regulated supply offers) that I recommend its usage in such equipment. The hum one usually hears is a product of unregulated voltage, and when you're dealing with any audio/RF equipment, the one thing you don't want is EMI/RFI, as it ruins the fun and experience of listening. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 25 00:23:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29838 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 07:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 07:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 07:23:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2004 07:22:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:22:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 701 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.17 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Lives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > But yes, SOMEBODY is still making them, so that means SOMEBODY is > still making chips.....or trying to use up what supply is left. Ford radios are OEM by Visteon, which has been building DSP-based receivers for some time now. Their AM Stereo is decoded by DSP -- no Motorola chip is involved. And luckily for us, when they added IBOC capability to their existing receiver design, they retained support for hi-fi analog AM with C-Quam AM Stereo. These Visteon AM Stereo/FM Stereo/IBOC receivers are slated for introduction in 2005 model year Ford/Lincoln/Mercury vehicles, although I'm not holding my breath, since iBiquity has been promising us these radios for the past two years now. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Aug 25 10:56:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99159 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 17:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 17:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52402.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.110) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 17:56:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20040825175644.82632.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.109] by web52402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:56:44 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:56:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.110 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: running unregulated supplies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > Quite correct- It's not a feature, but IS a benefit > as a result from > the voltage regulation. It's because of this (and > the inherent > stability a regulated supply offers) that I > recommend its usage in > such equipment. The hum one usually hears is a > product of unregulated > voltage, and when you're dealing with any audio/RF > equipment, the one > thing you don't want is EMI/RFI, as it ruins the fun > and experience > of listening. > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ But the real reason for a regulated supply is you don't run the risk of ruining something due to voltage being too high. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From tomray@wor710.com Wed Aug 25 11:00:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32716 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 18:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 18:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 18:00:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2004 18:00:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:00:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040825020054.58862.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 322 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: Enhanced mode MW IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray > > BTW....audio on WSAI sounds like they gave up on 6.2 > mode and are running 5 kilohertz. Or is there a 4.5 > kilohertz mode? Depends on the processor they're using. For example, Frank Foti's Omnia gives you the option of rolling off at 4kHz, 6, 8 or 10. Orban, I believe, does have a 4.5kHz mode. Tom Ray WOR From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Aug 25 13:33:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36794 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 20:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 20:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 20:33:49 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.185.185]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:39:27 -0400 Message-ID: <002301c48ae2$c9ab3860$b9b90642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:33:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Head phones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just listened to my neighbors new Bose $200 headphones. I had been wondering how good they were.... They're not. They feel like Vise Grips on your head, and for that money, I expected better sound- artifical sounding , raspy highs, but good bottom end. As well, they are "surprise" - made in China. I have Radio Shack 10 year old Pro-25's that beat the stuffing out of these, and a pair of AKG studio phones that I like that were 10 bucks at a radio meet. What are all of your favorite cans??? Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Aug 25 13:39:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57646 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 20:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 20:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 20:39:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2004 20:39:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:39:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 590 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: Enhanced mode MW IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > Depends on the processor they're using. For example, Frank Foti's > Omnia gives you the option of rolling off at 4kHz, 6, 8 or 10. > > Orban, I believe, does have a 4.5kHz mode. > > Tom Ray > WOR I think they need to look at their nighttime coverage - it used to be a blowtorch in Dallas. Since they started testing after sunset - GONE. That would, indeed be an ironic byproduct of all the OBOC at night debate, if the coverage was so poor that it became a non-issue. Sorry, Tom of WOR, not a trace of your station in Dallas. It is covered by Shreveport and Amarillo on 710. From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Aug 25 13:42:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67557 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 20:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 20:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 20:42:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2004 20:42:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:42:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c48ae2$c9ab3860$b9b90642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 378 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: Head phones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > What are all of your favorite cans??? > Chris I don't care how much I spend, I can't get ones with decent bass or highs any more. Give me the $5.99 ones at Walmart, they sound about as good as anything else. I remember Sennheiser from 30 years ago. Why can't somebody make something quality like that any more? Mine finally fell apart. Is Sennheiser still around? From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Wed Aug 25 13:46:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87544 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 20:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 20:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-out.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 20:46:54 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by smtp-out.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 33A2A7C706F for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E89C109840C for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:46:38 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040825164421.029f9a08@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:48:51 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002301c48ae2$c9ab3860$b9b90642@4bmx301> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.61 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Head phones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Hi all, I am using a pair of Seniheter HD-280 Pro headphones that I got almost a year ago. Have been using them non-stop. Because of my hearing impairment, I don't actually listen to anything without headphones. Hearing aids only amplify the speech sounds, which it doesn't even cover that full spectrum, only goes up to 4KHZ and I don't remember what the freq starts at. So listening to anything via anything other then headphones is like torture to my ears. Plus I can a hear the stereo separation the best with headphones. These get 24/7 365 days-a-year use. So it was worth the $110 at Pats Music here in Bensalem. John From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Wed Aug 25 13:51:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63990 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 20:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 20:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-out.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 20:50:59 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by smtp-out.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 70C171095E1B for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7D41099B88 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:50:41 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040825165001.029a5b20@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:52:56 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <002301c48ae2$c9ab3860$b9b90642@4bmx301> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.71 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Sennheiser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Hey. Yes Ironic that you mention them, I am using just that brand now as I said in an earlier posting. The freq response of these are 15HZ-25KHZ, and they are the best pair I've ever owned. Thanks to the guys down at Pats Music. If you'd like to order from them, call (215) 638-9750 and ask for Paul. Tell him John Holcomb sent you. From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Aug 25 13:52:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9946 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 20:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 20:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 20:52:25 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.185.185]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:58:03 -0400 Message-ID: <003201c48ae5$62cf1960$b9b90642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:52:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Head phones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sure- Sennheiser is still around- I just Googled the name, and went to amazon to look at them. From what I hear, they still sound great, but I liked the USA Koss -made RS pro25's so much that I bought 3 pairs 10 years ago, to have a life time supply. I take the AKG's on the road as they are so beat up and ugly, no one would steal them, and they still sound great. cc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 25 14:35:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16156 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 21:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 21:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.180) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 21:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.123.98.226 with login) by smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 21:35:16 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c48aeb$0c202f40$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:32:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.180 From: Subject: am stereo exciters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I have a little bit of a problem about the two exciters. The company that i am buying them from will not retune them for me. I was wondering if i can get some help with them. And the loss of coverage with IBOC . I kind find that funny becuase of the that every buddy turned am stereo off for the same resson. Thanks Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Aug 25 15:18:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2520 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 22:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 22:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.32) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 22:18:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:57:23 -0700 Received: from 216.78.98.198 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:57:23 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:57:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2004 21:57:23.0857 (UTC) FILETIME=[80A82810:01C48AEE] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.32 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [216.78.98.198] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Head phones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 My favorite is a Toshiba made in, I think, 1973 or 74. They are Quad in configuration, have a great range, and are very comfortable. MTGC (Michael) >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: {AMSF} Head phones >Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:33:29 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com >Received: from n55.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.67.67]) by >mc11-f3.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 25 Aug 2004 >13:34:50 -0700 >Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug >2004 20:33:53 -0000 >Received: (qmail 36794 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 20:33:49 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >25 Aug 2004 20:33:49 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by >mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 20:33:49 -0000 >Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.185.185]) by mail.corp.in4web.com >(Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id >for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:39:27 -0400 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHP8MkQ2iUwRFWm0MXfrDJC >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: <002301c48ae2$c9ab3860$b9b90642@4bmx301> >References: >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-18444-1093466032-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2004 20:34:50.0285 (UTC) >FILETIME=[F8190DD0:01C48AE2] > >I just listened to my neighbors new Bose $200 headphones. I had been >wondering how good they were.... They're not. They feel like Vise Grips on >your head, and for that money, I expected better sound- artifical sounding >, raspy highs, but good bottom end. As well, they are "surprise" - made in >China. >I have Radio Shack 10 year old Pro-25's that beat the stuffing out of >these, and a pair of AKG studio phones that I like that were 10 bucks at a >radio meet. >What are all of your favorite cans??? >Chris > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From bradleyj2@aol.com Wed Aug 25 15:31:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7639 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 22:31:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2004 22:31:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 22:31:39 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id r.19d.28d3f889 (16112) for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-d23.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.164]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v101.19) with ESMTP id MAILINID124-3ef0412d134249; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:31:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:31:30 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3408F0FB.6F7B86C9.022E759B@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 216.108.210.98 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.8 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Head phones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 In a message dated 8/25/2004 4:33:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Chris Cuff" writes: >I just listened to my neighbors new Bose $200 headphones. I had been wondering how good they were.... They're not. They feel like Vise Grips on your head, and for that money, I expected better sound- artifical sounding , raspy highs, but good bottom end. As well, they are "surprise" - made in China. >I have Radio Shack 10 year old Pro-25's that beat the stuffing out of these, and a pair of AKG studio phones that I like that were 10 bucks at a radio meet. >What are all of your favorite cans??? >Chris > My favorite headphones are my Sony MDR-7506 cans. Very good high end, can give really deep bass, sound pretty flat in response (Some Sony's I've used had a "boost" in the midrange it seemed) plus I can crank them and not get feedback. - Brad Jackson - WKMX-FM - http://www.wkmx.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Aug 25 18:16:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68053 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 01:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 01:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 01:16:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2004 01:15:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:15:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c48ae2$c9ab3860$b9b90642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 159 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.147 Subject: Re: Head phones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > What are all of your favorite cans??? Koss PortaPros/PortaPro Jrs. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Aug 25 18:22:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4392 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 01:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 01:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 01:22:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2004 01:21:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:21:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003201c48ae5$62cf1960$b9b90642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 552 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.147 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Head phones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Sure- Sennheiser is still around- I just Googled the name, and went to amazon to look at them. From what I hear, they still sound great, but I liked the USA Koss -made RS pro25's so much that I bought 3 pairs 10 years ago, to have a life time supply. That was the best contract I think RS ever had for manufacture of any of their in-house products in the last 25 years. Yes, the Koss-made RS 'phones were great, and probably the best bang for one's buck. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Aug 25 20:42:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 63855 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 03:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 03:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 03:42:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2004 03:42:35 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77420 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 00:37:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 00:37:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 00:37:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2004 00:37:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:37:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040825165001.029a5b20@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 731 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: Sennheiser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 26 Aug 2004 03:42:34 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > Hey. > Yes Ironic that you mention them, I am using just that brand now as I said in an earlier posting. > The freq response of these are 15HZ-25KHZ, and they are the best pair I've ever owned. > Thanks to the guys down at Pats Music. If you'd like to order from them, call (215) 638-9750 and ask for Paul. > Tell him John Holcomb sent you. Which pair are you talking about? I've been thinking for a while about getting a Sennheiser HD-280. I'd like the best possible sound (especially a good low end bass and good highs) for around $100 or so, and I want them to be able to be driven well by walkmans, take a beating and last for quite a while. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Aug 25 21:56:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16853 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 04:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 04:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 04:56:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20040826045519.62905.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.76] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:55:19 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:55:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Head phones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Bruce Carter wrote: > > What are all of your favorite cans??? > > Chris > > I don't care how much I spend, I can't get ones with > decent bass or > highs any more. Give me the $5.99 ones at Walmart, > they sound about > as good as anything else. The RS Pro 35 better known as Koss KTX-PRO ! > I remember Sennheiser from 30 years ago. Why can't > somebody make > something quality like that any more? Mine finally > fell apart. Is > Sennheiser still around? Yes and parts are readily available. I just got ear muffs for some 414's and 424's. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Aug 25 22:21:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3828 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 05:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 05:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 05:21:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2004 05:20:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:20:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1532 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.147 Subject: Re: Sennheiser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II > wrote: > > Hey. > > Yes Ironic that you mention them, I am using just that brand now > as I said in an earlier posting. > > The freq response of these are 15HZ-25KHZ, and they are the best > pair I've ever owned. > > Thanks to the guys down at Pats Music. If you'd like to order from > them, call (215) 638-9750 and ask for Paul. > > Tell him John Holcomb sent you. > > Which pair are you talking about? I've been thinking for a while > about getting a Sennheiser HD-280. I'd like the best possible sound > (especially a good low end bass and good highs) for around $100 or so, > and I want them to be able to be driven well by walkmans, take a > beating and last for quite a while. I've tried a Sennheisewr once- Was disappointed. I would recommend, for your criteria, to get just about ANY Koss headphone- The PortaPro and PortaPro Jr. models retail for about $70 and $50, respectively, but you can find them cheaper- And they really do deliver great sound. They also have cheaper, but no less good, headphones down to the $20 retail range. Repair/replacement is as easy as sending Koss the headphones and $5, for the lifetime of the owner. I have never been disappointed with Koss headphones, even when they made RS headphones. (I just need new pads for my PortaPros, currently- Been going on 5 years since I last bought a Koss!) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Aug 25 22:34:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36348 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 05:34:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 05:34:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.241.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 05:34:04 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040826053403.KKDD16.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:34:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:34:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003201c48ae5$62cf1960$b9b90642@4bmx301> Message-Id: <88BAA7B3-F721-11D8-969A-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.38 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Head phones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tend to like Koss, even now. even my cheap ones sound much better on the high end than most others costing far more, and the low end of Koss is legendary (in my mind at least). Richard On Wednesday, August 25, 2004, at 01:52 PM, Chris Cuff wrote: > but I liked the USA Koss -made RS pro25's so much that I bought 3 > pairs 10 years ago [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 25 22:34:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64266 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 05:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 05:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 05:34:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2004 05:33:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:33:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c48ae2$c9ab3860$b9b90642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1255 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.9 Subject: Re: Head phones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I just listened to my neighbors new Bose $200 headphones. I had > been wondering how good they were.... They're not. "All highs, no lows -- it must be Bose!" > I have Radio Shack 10 year old Pro-25's that beat the stuffing out > of these, and a pair of AKG studio phones that I like that were > 10 bucks at a radio meet. I've used my PRO-25's so much, the second set of ear pads are already worn through, the leather headband is cracked and peeling, and the inked-on "Optimus" logo has nearly disappeared... but they still sound fantastic! They are also very sensitive -- they're the only headphones I have which can reproduce full listening volume directly from the output of an AM Stereo decoder chip; on any other 'phones, all I get is a faint whisper. > What are all of your favorite cans??? I had a set of bulky Sears 8 Ohm headphones from the '70s which sound like tin cans strapped to your ears... and the earmuff seal was so tight, your ears would begin to sweat after a while of having them on. So I don't use them as earphones anymore -- I use them as noise- reducing earmuffs, when using a chainsaw or lawn mower! They're more comfortable than the ones you can buy in a hardware store, too, because they have more padding. From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Aug 25 22:37:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30376 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 05:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 05:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 05:37:40 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040826053722.JGTB4267.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:37:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:37:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.29 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Head phones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Been hanging around jet engines lately, by chance? (seriously, my=20 brother was told by a Navy ear doctor not to waste money on a good=20 stereo ... his hearing is bad from the jet noise). Avoid the new fancy brands -- or old fancy brands like Sony -- and you=20 still can find good bass and clean highs. On Wednesday, August 25, 2004, at 01:42 PM, Bruce Carter wrote: > > What are all of your favorite cans??? > > Chris > > I don't care how much I spend, I can't get ones with decent bass or > highs any more.=A0 Give me the $5.99 ones at Walmart, they sound about > as good as anything else.=A0 > > I remember Sennheiser from 30 years ago.=A0 Why can't somebody make > something quality like that any more?=A0 Mine finally fell apart.=A0 Is > Sennheiser still around? > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Aug 25 22:43:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8825 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 05:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 05:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 05:43:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20040826054309.18090.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.76] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:43:09 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:43:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Head phones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > I have Radio Shack 10 year old Pro-25's that beat > the stuffing out > > of these, and a pair of AKG studio phones that I > like that were > > 10 bucks at a radio meet. > > I've used my PRO-25's so much, the second set of ear > pads are already > worn through, the leather headband is cracked and > peeling, and the > inked-on "Optimus" logo has nearly disappeared... > but they still > sound fantastic! They are also very sensitive -- > they're the only > headphones I have which can reproduce full listening > volume directly > from the output of an AM Stereo decoder chip; on any > other 'phones, > all I get is a faint whisper. The later ones ( PRO 35's) are equally efficient. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Aug 25 22:54:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96047 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 05:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 05:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao06.cox.net) (68.230.241.33) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 05:54:19 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040826055417.IYMV14924.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:54:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:54:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5DB9D95C-F724-11D8-969A-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.33 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sennheiser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I bought Koss KSC55s for my iPod. I think they were about $15 or $20. I use them all the time; they can be hit hard by balls in volleyball tournaments and still work fine (after being snapped back together). I liked them so much, I bought two more pairs in case the first one gets lost or damaged beyond repair. Richard On Wednesday, August 25, 2004, at 10:20 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > and I want them to be able to be driven well by walkmans, take a > > beating and last for quite a while. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Aug 25 23:19:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30383 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 06:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 06:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 06:19:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2004 06:19:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:19:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5DB9D95C-F724-11D8-969A-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 679 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.147 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sennheiser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I bought Koss KSC55s for my iPod. I think they were about $15 or $20. I > use them all the time; they can be hit hard by balls in volleyball > tournaments and still work fine (after being snapped back together). I > liked them so much, I bought two more pairs in case the first one gets > lost or damaged beyond repair. A wise investment, I think. I find it amazing that in this day of ever-cheaper (and shoddier) audio equipment, that Koss stands out as real affordable quality. Maybe one day it will go down the tubes, like every other brand, but I hope no time soon. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Aug 26 00:25:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91815 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 07:25:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 07:25:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 07:25:10 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.185.236]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 03:30:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c48b3d$c7393ea0$ecb90642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 03:24:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sennheiser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will vouch for the porta-pros, too. I have a pair and they do sound great. When I got mine, about 3 years ago, they had a lifetime warranty, and I had to use their service once when I accidently plugged them into a stereo that was turned up a bit to high (like all the way) They had them back to me in less than a week. Top notch. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu Aug 26 00:59:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42113 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 07:59:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 07:59:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 07:59:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:59:16 -0700 Received: from 69.208.244.202 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:59:16 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 03:59:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2004 07:59:16.0440 (UTC) FILETIME=[956F0580:01C48B42] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.12 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [69.208.244.202] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Sennheiser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane I also use Koss. I got mine free after rebate from Best Buy. I don't know the model, but these are for video games. Nice extra long cord along with good sound. The only drawback is they cover the ears and you get hot/sweaty ears. Paul Crane >From: "Amy Mousie" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sennheiser >Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:19:20 -0000 > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner >wrote: > > I bought Koss KSC55s for my iPod. I think they were about $15 or >$20. I > > use them all the time; they can be hit hard by balls in volleyball > > tournaments and still work fine (after being snapped back >together). I > > liked them so much, I bought two more pairs in case the first one >gets > > lost or damaged beyond repair. > >A wise investment, I think. > >I find it amazing that in this day of ever-cheaper (and shoddier) >audio equipment, that Koss stands out as real affordable quality. > >Maybe one day it will go down the tubes, like every other brand, but >I hope no time soon. > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Aug 26 01:26:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90684 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 08:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 08:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 08:26:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2004 08:26:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:26:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 930 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.147 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sennheiser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" wrote: > I also use Koss. I got mine free after rebate from Best Buy. I don't know > the model, but these are for video games. Nice extra long cord along with > good sound. The only drawback is they cover the ears and you get hot/sweaty > ears. That's what I like about PortaPros- They're open-air lightweights which simply don't sacrifice sound quality by being such. The bass, especially, is good enough to feel- even melt your brain. ;) Even Koss's budget lightweights, you get more boom for your buck. :) If you're on a budget, I do recommend buying a Koss- I guarantee you'll be satisfied. And don't be afraid to buy a more expensive Koss (like the PortaPro series)- They more than pay for themselves with the lifetime warranty and only something like $5 a shot. :) Do I sound satisfied with my Koss 'phones? Naaaaah... ;) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From zebra@strangeanimals.net Thu Aug 26 02:16:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63767 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 09:16:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 09:16:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 09:16:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2004 09:15:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:15:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c48ae2$c9ab3860$b9b90642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1263 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "amradiozebra" X-Originating-IP: 67.164.23.118 Subject: Re: Head phones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I just listened to my neighbors new Bose $200 headphones. I had been wondering how good they were.... They're not. They feel like Vise Grips on your head, and for that money, I expected better sound- artifical sounding , raspy highs, but good bottom end. As well, they are "surprise" - made in China. > I have Radio Shack 10 year old Pro-25's that beat the stuffing out of these, and a pair of AKG studio phones that I like that were 10 bucks at a radio meet. > What are all of your favorite cans??? > Chris I love the Koss PortaPro phones. They are open air phones, with great bass, that goes way low, not the boomy Koss bass you sometimes get. Adjustable ear pressure. They roll up and fit into a little bag. I have two pairs. Can't think of anything better for my iPod or Walkman. Sony makes cheap "digital ready" (ha ha) phones that sound decent for DXing or the like and I reccommend those as well when sound quality is not critical. (they do sound nice however) You'll find them at most drug stores. For critical listening, I loved my old red Grado phones, but frankly I don't do critical audiophile listening anymore. I'm an iPod guy now, it's mid-fi for me. From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu Aug 26 03:25:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82276 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 10:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 10:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 10:25:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2004 10:24:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:24:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005f01c484c2$34e10320$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 792 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "paul_m_crane" X-Originating-IP: 68.77.108.77 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Milwaukee AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Haven't been to Milwaukee in awhile, but as far as I know both stations are > still stereo. Some of the time I can pick up WKSH, but now that they're > Radio Disney I seldom bother to try. They used to come in quite well when > they first hit the EB, but when KCJJ lit up 1630 it pretty much ended decent > reception. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anthony" > > > > > > Did I read somewhere that WKSH/1640 had returned to AM Stereo?? How > > about WOKY/920?? Are they still Stereo? WOKY 920 is still stereo playing adult standards. I listened to them from Fruitport (near Muskegon) all the way down to Benton Harbor in Michigan from across the pond. Paul Crane From starship_2001@msn.com Thu Aug 26 04:01:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13770 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 11:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 11:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.172.118) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 11:01:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:00:17 -0700 Received: from 209.240.207.112 by bay5-dav14.bay5.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:00:17 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:00:17 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <28215-412DC2C1-1243@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 26 Aug 2004 08:26:21 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2004 11:00:17.0551 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF2909F0:01C48B5B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.172.118 X-eGroups-From: starship_2001@msn.com (Norbert 26) From: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: [209.240.207.112] Subject: Re: Head Phones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Chris wrote: > I just listened to my neighbors new Bose > $200 headphones. I had been wondering > how good they were.... They're not. They > feel like Vise Grips on your head, and > for that money, I expected better sound- > artifical sounding , raspy highs, but > good bottom end. As well, they are > "surprise" - made in China. I have Radio > Shack 10 year old Pro-25's that beat the > stuffing out of these, and a pair of AKG > studio phones that I like that were 10 > bucks at a radio meet. > What are all of your favorite cans??? > Chris > --- I remember the pro 25s. They were my favorites until the wire got caught under the wheels of my office chair and ripped the wires out. I replaced them with the pro 35s supposed to be same specs. I put the 35s on my panasonic sw 20 walkman and got the big silver ones for my stereo . They are made by Koss with the radio shack name on them and say titanium on them , black head band with silver cups. they have no model number on them they were $39.95 a few years back . They are VERY comfortable to wear. i think they are still in production. While on the subject of cans a few months ago i tried the 50th anniversary koss limited edition cans Radio Shack was carrying. They felt like you were hanging and clamping cinder blocks to your head. Needless to say they went EXPRESS right back to radio shack. From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Aug 26 06:45:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32910 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 13:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 13:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 13:45:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2004 13:45:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:45:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c48aeb$0c202f40$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1645 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: am stereo exciters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > I kind find that funny becuase of the that every buddy turned am stereo off for the same resson. Thanks Jim Smith I don't think Radio Disney in Dallas is complaining about coverage, they have regular listeners in Lubbock 330 miles away. A couple of them that I know are listening in AM stereo. Will IBOC give stereo 300 plus miles away? I don't think so. Of course KSKY 660 is stronger in Lubbock, but they are running 20 kW - four times the strength of KMKI. I think a lot of the problem is Easterners, who have a major metropolitan area or at least large town every 20 miles. They get in the mentality that nobody cares about DX. If you look at a map of the US, population density really drops in the Western 2/3 of the country. It may be 500 miles between major metropolitan areas, and 100 to 200 between towns. 300 mile range out of AM is important! And there are vast tracts of land and hundreds of small communities that may be served by only one or two weak radio stations from a hundred miles away, if that. Nighttime Skywave is a welcome relief from the boring isolation that comes in such places. IBOC proponents don't live in those places, and don't have to deal with DX'ing just to get sports or talk or news, or music from cities. They have a legal right to jam the AM band now, and so I guess they will do it. But just because they can, it doesn't mean they should. Don't brush it off and say that these folks are served by XM or FM - a lot of these folks are dirt poor and can't afford XM. And if you aren't within 50 miles of FM, the majority of cheap radios won't get the station. From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Aug 26 06:50:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53187 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 13:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 13:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 13:50:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2004 13:48:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:48:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 888 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Lives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > Ford radios are OEM by Visteon, which has been building DSP-based > receivers for some time now. Their AM Stereo is decoded by DSP -- > no Motorola chip is involved. And luckily for us, when they added > IBOC capability to their existing receiver design, they retained > support for hi-fi analog AM with C-Quam AM Stereo. These Visteon > AM Stereo/FM Stereo/IBOC receivers are slated for introduction in > 2005 model year Ford/Lincoln/Mercury vehicles, although I'm not > holding my breath, since iBiquity has been promising us these radios > for the past two years now. I interviewed at Panasonic Atlanta earlier this year, didn't get the job, but gave them the sell job on decent AM reception and C-Quam for Saturn radios. Like most radio manufacturers, they think local - not about the vast tracts of the western US with almost no coverage. I think they listened. From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Aug 26 06:51:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56114 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 13:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 13:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 13:51:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2004 13:50:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:50:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 314 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Milwaukee AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > WOKY 920 is still stereo playing adult standards. I listened to them > from Fruitport (near Muskegon) all the way down to Benton Harbor in > Michigan from across the pond. > > Paul Crane It doesn't sound like they have any coverage problems! Where did this mis-information come from in the first place? From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Aug 26 08:08:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54748 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 15:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 15:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 15:08:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2004 15:07:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:07:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1555 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: am stereo exciters/attn: WOR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Well said, Bruce... our resident WOR engineers need to read your post! They're very stodgy about DXers' "rights". By the way, I built that AM Loop I e-mailed you about a couple of months back. It easily out performs my RS Loop. It still needs some tinkering, though. It tops out at 1400 khz. I just haven't had the time to mess with it... > I think a lot of the problem is Easterners, who have a major > metropolitan area or at least large town every 20 miles. They get > in the mentality that nobody cares about DX. If you look at a map > of the US, population density really drops in the Western 2/3 of the > country. It may be 500 miles between major metropolitan areas, and > 100 to 200 between towns. 300 mile range out of AM is important! > And there are vast tracts of land and hundreds of small communities > that may be served by only one or two weak radio stations from a > hundred miles away, if that. Nighttime Skywave is a welcome relief > from the boring isolation that comes in such places. IBOC > proponents don't live in those places, and don't have to deal with > DX'ing just to get sports or talk or news, or music from cities. > They have a legal right to jam the AM band now, and so I guess they > will do it. But just because they can, it doesn't mean they should. > > Don't brush it off and say that these folks are served by XM or FM - > a lot of these folks are dirt poor and can't afford XM. And if you > aren't within 50 miles of FM, the majority of cheap radios won't get > the station. From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Aug 26 10:05:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98032 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 17:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 17:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52403.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.111) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 17:05:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20040826170414.48888.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.124] by web52403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:04:14 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:04:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.111 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Head phones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW HMMMM! NO one has mentioned the REAL Koss classic, the Pro-4AA. I have my original pair. AND YES, parts are available for them. Bass that will make your eyeballs pop out AND roll down the floor. Main disadvantage is HEAVY and blocks out ALL other outside sound. That's how they get the super bass, and it's not faky sounding. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Aug 26 12:50:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31257 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 19:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 19:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 19:50:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2004 19:50:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:50:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1979 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: am stereo exciters/attn: WOR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Try a 4.7 pF capacitor in series with your tuning cap (switched in and out). That should lower the minimum capacitance of the tuning capacitor. If you suspect it is self-resonating at 1400 kHz, just remove the tuning capacitor completely and see if you can find a peak. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > Well said, Bruce... our resident WOR engineers need to read your post! They're very > stodgy about DXers' "rights". > > By the way, I built that AM Loop I e-mailed you about a couple of months back. It > easily out performs my RS Loop. It still needs some tinkering, though. It tops out at > 1400 khz. I just haven't had the time to mess with it... > > > > > I think a lot of the problem is Easterners, who have a major > > metropolitan area or at least large town every 20 miles. They get > > in the mentality that nobody cares about DX. If you look at a map > > of the US, population density really drops in the Western 2/3 of the > > country. It may be 500 miles between major metropolitan areas, and > > 100 to 200 between towns. 300 mile range out of AM is important! > > And there are vast tracts of land and hundreds of small communities > > that may be served by only one or two weak radio stations from a > > hundred miles away, if that. Nighttime Skywave is a welcome relief > > from the boring isolation that comes in such places. IBOC > > proponents don't live in those places, and don't have to deal with > > DX'ing just to get sports or talk or news, or music from cities. > > They have a legal right to jam the AM band now, and so I guess they > > will do it. But just because they can, it doesn't mean they should. > > > > Don't brush it off and say that these folks are served by XM or FM - > > a lot of these folks are dirt poor and can't afford XM. And if you > > aren't within 50 miles of FM, the majority of cheap radios won't get > > the station. From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Thu Aug 26 13:57:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24447 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 20:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 20:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.188) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 20:57:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:56:33 -0700 Received: from 65.41.95.213 by bay22-dav8.bay22.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:56:33 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:56:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2004 20:56:33.0484 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B4730C0:01C48BAF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.188 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.41.95.213] Subject: FS:Delta AMS Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hi All, Got A Delta AMS Exciter coming my way. when it arrives it will be up for sale. should have a complete manual with it also. $500.00 Shipped CONUS to the First person who responds, Canada Contact for shipping. Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Aug 26 14:00:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51091 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 21:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 21:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 21:00:16 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.20]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:05:46 -0400 Message-ID: <003301c48baf$9f9200e0$14b10642@4bmx301> To: References: <20040826170414.48888.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:59:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Head phones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pro4aa's? my word....... is the serial number printed in Roman numerals??? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 1:04 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Head phones HMMMM! NO one has mentioned the REAL Koss classic, the Pro-4AA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Aug 26 14:21:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27155 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 21:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 21:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 21:21:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2004 21:21:33 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70930 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 21:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 21:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 21:05:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2004 21:05:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:05:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2788 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: Sennheiser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 26 Aug 2004 21:21:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 How good are they at blocking out outside sound? I might often be using these while running fairly loud equipment (lawnmowers, weedeaters, for example) and I would like to have the sound average at least 30 to 50dB above the noise of the machine, without having to have the overall volume above 90dB (peaks up to 100 or 105) so I can protect my hearing. With my cheap non-sealed headphones when I'm mowing my parents' lawn while listening to a Padres game (which is unfortunately in mono) I nearly have to crank my SRF-42 to max volume which is VERY LOUD - my ears can't take it in a quiet environment. I basically want something that's good at blocking out sounds and still sounds good, with a frequency response down as low as possible and btw my high end hearing tops out at around 16 khz. I also will be driving the headphones with some equipment that puts out considerably less power than the SRF-42, and will want to be able to get a decent volume out of them (but not so much that it damages my hearing - I would want good outside sound blockage to compensate for the poor signal to noise ratio.) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II > > > wrote: > > > Hey. > > > Yes Ironic that you mention them, I am using just that brand now > > as I said in an earlier posting. > > > The freq response of these are 15HZ-25KHZ, and they are the best > > pair I've ever owned. > > > Thanks to the guys down at Pats Music. If you'd like to order from > > them, call (215) 638-9750 and ask for Paul. > > > Tell him John Holcomb sent you. > > > > Which pair are you talking about? I've been thinking for a while > > about getting a Sennheiser HD-280. I'd like the best possible sound > > (especially a good low end bass and good highs) for around $100 or > so, > > and I want them to be able to be driven well by walkmans, take a > > beating and last for quite a while. > > I've tried a Sennheisewr once- Was disappointed. > > I would recommend, for your criteria, to get just about ANY Koss > headphone- The PortaPro and PortaPro Jr. models retail for about $70 > and $50, respectively, but you can find them cheaper- And they really > do deliver great sound. They also have cheaper, but no less good, > headphones down to the $20 retail range. > > Repair/replacement is as easy as sending Koss the headphones and $5, > for the lifetime of the owner. > > I have never been disappointed with Koss headphones, even when they > made RS headphones. (I just need new pads for my PortaPros, currently- > Been going on 5 years since I last bought a Koss!) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Aug 26 14:22:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17165 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 21:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 21:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 21:22:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2004 21:21:49 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76331 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 21:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 21:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 21:16:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2004 21:16:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:16:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1329 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Lives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 26 Aug 2004 21:21:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 I'd like to se better AM reception on walkmen too. I live in San Diego which is a fairly large city at around 1.3 megapeople or something like that, but many of the stations I like to listen to are either at least 100 miles away, low power, or directional nulled toward me, and/or in some cases have local stations on nearby channels. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > Ford radios are OEM by Visteon, which has been building DSP-based > > receivers for some time now. Their AM Stereo is decoded by DSP -- > > no Motorola chip is involved. And luckily for us, when they added > > IBOC capability to their existing receiver design, they retained > > support for hi-fi analog AM with C-Quam AM Stereo. These Visteon > > AM Stereo/FM Stereo/IBOC receivers are slated for introduction in > > 2005 model year Ford/Lincoln/Mercury vehicles, although I'm not > > holding my breath, since iBiquity has been promising us these > radios > > for the past two years now. > > I interviewed at Panasonic Atlanta earlier this year, didn't get the > job, but gave them the sell job on decent AM reception and C-Quam > for Saturn radios. Like most radio manufacturers, they think local - > not about the vast tracts of the western US with almost no > coverage. I think they listened. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Aug 26 15:54:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85747 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 22:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 22:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 22:54:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.61] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2004 22:53:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:33:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 560 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.17 Subject: Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio... {AMSF} Digest Number 1298 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That's precisel.y why you need a regulated power supply- It reduces > hum in the DC. All the regulation does is provide a constant output voltage, regardless of how much load is placed on the power supply (with a very light load, like only a few milliamps, an unregulated "12V" power supply might shoot up to over 20 volts). Hum reduction is based on how much filtering capacitance the power supply has. This is easy to improve -- just stick on a larger filter capacitor; the more uF, the better. 4700 uF is good, while 10,000 uF is much better. From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Thu Aug 26 16:08:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21637 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 23:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2004 23:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-out.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 23:08:52 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by smtp-out.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DEE81098138 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:08:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0786F7BC8B3 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:08:39 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040826190910.01b78a88@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:10:49 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.71 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sennheiser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Personally as I said, the D-280 PRO are the best I've used. I don't hear a loud phone, or even vacuums when this thing is on my ears and sound is on it. Then again, I'm almost deaf without the hearing aids in and headphones off, but even others have commented that you don't hear outside noise with these things. At 09:05 PM 8/26/2004 +0000, you wrote: >How good are they at blocking out outside sound? I might often be >using these while running fairly loud equipment (lawnmowers, >weedeaters, for example) and I would like to have the sound average at >least 30 to 50dB above the noise of the machine, without having to >have the overall volume above 90dB (peaks up to 100 or 105) so I can >protect my hearing. With my cheap non-sealed headphones when I'm >mowing my parents' lawn while listening to a Padres game (which is >unfortunately in mono) I nearly have to crank my SRF-42 to max volume >which is VERY LOUD - my ears can't take it in a quiet environment. >I basically want something that's good at blocking out sounds and >still sounds good, with a frequency response down as low as possible >and btw my high end hearing tops out at around 16 khz. I also will be >driving the headphones with some equipment that puts out considerably >less power than the SRF-42, and will want to be able to get a decent >volume out of them (but not so much that it damages my hearing - I >would want good outside sound blockage to compensate for the poor >signal to noise ratio.) > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: >> --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" >> wrote: >> > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II >> >> > wrote: >> > > Hey. >> > > Yes Ironic that you mention them, I am using just that brand now >> > as I said in an earlier posting. >> > > The freq response of these are 15HZ-25KHZ, and they are the best >> > pair I've ever owned. >> > > Thanks to the guys down at Pats Music. If you'd like to order from >> > them, call (215) 638-9750 and ask for Paul. >> > > Tell him John Holcomb sent you. >> > >> > Which pair are you talking about? I've been thinking for a while >> > about getting a Sennheiser HD-280. I'd like the best possible sound >> > (especially a good low end bass and good highs) for around $100 or >> so, >> > and I want them to be able to be driven well by walkmans, take a >> > beating and last for quite a while. >> >> I've tried a Sennheisewr once- Was disappointed. >> >> I would recommend, for your criteria, to get just about ANY Koss >> headphone- The PortaPro and PortaPro Jr. models retail for about $70 >> and $50, respectively, but you can find them cheaper- And they really >> do deliver great sound. They also have cheaper, but no less good, >> headphones down to the $20 retail range. >> >> Repair/replacement is as easy as sending Koss the headphones and $5, >> for the lifetime of the owner. >> >> I have never been disappointed with Koss headphones, even when they >> made RS headphones. (I just need new pads for my PortaPros, currently- >> Been going on 5 years since I last bought a Koss!) >> >> Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > John Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 26 17:22:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55660 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2004 00:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2004 00:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.184) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 00:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.123.98.31 with login) by smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 00:22:47 -0000 Message-ID: <001801c48bcb$9e03fd20$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:20:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.184 From: Subject: am stereo exciters 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Well i need to ask agan i gess. I need help with retuneing two exciters. A Delta ASE 1 and a Harris AMS G1 later. I shoewer could use some help please. Can and will pay for help. I will have manuals for both. Both companys suport both exciters. If can some one can help i would like hat very much. Thanks Jim Smith Penryn Ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Aug 26 18:01:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71491 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2004 01:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2004 01:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 01:01:16 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.23.171] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:01:14 -0600 Message-ID: <005f01c48bd1$b3d62c80$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:03:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2004 01:01:15.0597 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A7FD7D0:01C48BD1] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Lives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude With all the talk about DSP radios- here's another. Bet you could program it to decode AMS if you knew what to program into it: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Carter" > > Ford radios are OEM by Visteon, which has been building DSP-based > > receivers for some time now. Their AM Stereo is decoded by DSP -- > > no Motorola chip is involved. From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Aug 26 18:33:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6083 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2004 01:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2004 01:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 01:33:04 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.23.171] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:33:03 -0600 Message-ID: <00cc01c48bd6$254a3920$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:35:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2004 01:33:03.0735 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBD69870:01C48BD5] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Enhanced mode MW IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Their major null is in your direction anyway. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Carter" became a non-issue. > > Sorry, Tom of WOR, not a trace of your station in Dallas. It is > covered by Shreveport and Amarillo on 710. From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Aug 26 19:36:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6013 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2004 02:35:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2004 02:35:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 02:35:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20040827023558.6508.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.95] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:35:58 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:35:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003301c48baf$9f9200e0$14b10642@4bmx301> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Head phones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Chris Cuff wrote: > Pro4aa's? my word....... is the serial number > printed in Roman numerals??? > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 1:04 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Head phones > > > HMMMM! NO one has mentioned the REAL Koss classic, > the > Pro-4AA No. [ LOL!!] BUT Koss has re done the AA in 2 different models. The newer redo is not fun. I have not tried the redux of the old one.. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Aug 26 23:08:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77356 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2004 06:08:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2004 06:08:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.180) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 06:08:35 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:07:21 -0700 Received: from 24.94.108.163 by bay12-dav6.bay12.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:28:41 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20040826170414.48888.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> <003301c48baf$9f9200e0$14b10642@4bmx301> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:28:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2004 06:07:21.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DB81800:01C48BFC] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.180 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.108.163] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Head phones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Cuff wrote: > Pro4aa's? my word....... is the serial number printed in Roman numerals??? I absolutely LOVE my Pro-4AAs! I have been offline helping with the hurricane relief effort then came back to the headphone posting. The Pro-4AA is by far the best "cans" that have ever been made...and Koss still makes these classics! I got mine from Broadcast Supply West, Now Broadcast Supply Worldwide back in 1989....and they STILL sell 'em! http://www.bswusa.com/prod_item.asp?item=PRO4AA Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 27 01:27:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90363 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2004 08:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2004 08:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 08:27:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2004 08:27:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:27:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1073 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.141 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sennheiser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That's what I like about PortaPros- They're open-air lightweights > which simply don't sacrifice sound quality by being such. The bass, > especially, is good enough to feel- even melt your brain. ;) Speaking of which, Panasonic used to (still does?) have a gimmick called "ShockWave", which would vibrate the earpieces in time with the bass of a song, in order to simulate a "subwoofer for your ears" effect. I tried it on a friend's walkman... it was neat for about the first 5 minutes, and then annoying afterwards. Oh, and it had just about the worst AM tuner I've ever used; the audio bandwidth was horrendously narrow (probably 2 kHz at best) and it was filled with synthesizer noise on all but the strongest signals. Panasonic has opened up the AM bandwidth on their newer models, but as a result the selectivity has dropped down to zilch -- a strong signal can be received almost equally well on its first and second adjacent channels. Probably they eliminated the ceramic filter, in order to save another 5 cents' worth of manufacturing costs. From tomray@wor710.com Fri Aug 27 09:50:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93668 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2004 16:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2004 16:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 16:50:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2004 16:50:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:50:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00cc01c48bd6$254a3920$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 852 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: Enhanced mode MW IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Their major null is in your direction anyway. No...our major null is towards the northwest, with a smaller null towards the Atlantic Ocean. Our secondary lobe goes directly towards Philly.....which should put some energy into the south.....but the 710's in Shreveport and Amarillo will negate that. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Carter" > became a non-issue. > > > > Sorry, Tom of WOR, not a trace of your station in Dallas. It is > > covered by Shreveport and Amarillo on 710. Damn! My plan for world domination is not going as planned!! Speaking of things...I was in Cincinnati last week. Ever see the WLW tower up close? VERY impressive, with that big diamond in the middle and the call letters on the tower. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Aug 27 09:59:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67088 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2004 16:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2004 16:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 16:59:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2004 16:59:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:59:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1184 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Lives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > I interviewed at Panasonic Atlanta earlier this year, didn't get the > job, but gave them the sell job on decent AM reception and C-Quam > for Saturn radios. Like most radio manufacturers, they think local - > not about the vast tracts of the western US with almost no > coverage. I think they listened. The sad part is, these decisions aren't made by the Panasonic office in the US....this is all decided at their Japan headquarters. I spoke recently with someone who was discussing IBOC radios in Japan with the manufacturers. He said that the companies have no concept and find it unbelieveable that people in the US actually listen to radio and want portables. Said they constantly pointed out the windows to the streets of Tokyo, where just about everyone had an MP3 player plugged into their ears, and flatly stated that this is what they would see in the US. Well, not here on the streets of NYC! We're, right now, too busy watching the naked protesters...and none of them are wearing a walkman! Might be interesting, though, to see where they'd hold it ;-) Tom Ray WOR From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Aug 27 13:09:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64017 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2004 20:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2004 20:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 20:09:26 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.178.147]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:14:41 -0400 Message-ID: <004301c48c71$a5b7dd60$93b20642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:08:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Lives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tom- I see you were mentioned in the TH Record yesterday- I didn't know you were a local boy! Anyway- In response to what Panasonic said- in 1998 when Aiwa was still their own comany, and still making a full line of AM Stereo equipped products, I approached their marketing division in Japan. They said the polar opposite- That AIWA USA had told them not to send any ams product over here- it would not sell. The best one was when our Yamaha rep came to visit our company, and I had AM stereo playing through one of their receivers that had been converted. At that time, WWRL was still broadcasting an A** kicking sound, and the rep said "if AM could sound like that, it might be a different story" I then showed him he WAS listening to AM. It was fun to watch his jaw drop. Also tried it with Bose- and the rep that saw a converted Wave was impressed- but got shot down by his engineering dept. Ever wonder why people stay in Radio at all???? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ray To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 12:59 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Lives The sad part is, these decisions aren't made by the Panasonic office in the US....this is all decided at their Japan headquarters. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Aug 27 14:08:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92347 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2004 21:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2004 21:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 21:08:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2004 21:08:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:08:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3242 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Lives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > The sad part is, these decisions aren't made by the Panasonic office > in the US....this is all decided at their Japan headquarters. I got the impression that they had a good degree of freedom, at least in the architecture of the system. He did indicate that the big trend will be to incorporate DVD players into the car radios, instead of as a separate player, with the screen, of course, in the back seat. I see that as a huge threat to radio - and I have to admit that I watch movies myself when somebody else is driving. Of course a lot of that is in the "boonies" between cities when radio stations are few and far between, and at least in Texas what few stations you can get are all country music (ICK!) The engineers at Panasonic were in the habit of downgrading AM sections of their radios in order to incorporate high data bit devices like MP3 capable CD drives and DVD players. I told him - big mistake unless you are in the East, because FM is just not reliable enough - even with 100,000 watts on a 2000 foot stick. He seemed unconvinced, but was polite. At least I got him to consider making the default choice on AM presets 1230, 1240, 1340, 1400, 1450, and 1490 (one of which is probably present just about everywhere). > I spoke recently with someone who was discussing IBOC radios in Japan > with the manufacturers. He said that the companies have no concept > and find it unbelieveable that people in the US actually listen to > radio and want portables. I am afraid they may be prophetic. I program a niche format with a zealous fanatical fan base that won't settle for another format at all (Christian rock). But I can't hold them if they have MP3 players will all of their favorites programmed in. And kids these days are into more and more video games - hence the input jacks for video games on every auto video system. It won't be long before they have internet access (chat rooms) for kids in cars, and probably satellite TV access as well. How can an audio only medium compete? It is a concern. Cars used to be safe from TV. Now, except for the driver and front passenger, that is no longer going to be the case. > Well, not here on the streets of NYC! > We're, right now, too busy watching the naked protesters...and none > of them are wearing a walkman! Might be interesting, though, to see > where they'd hold it ;-) After frequent visits to water parks in hot Dallas this summer, I am irrevocably convinced that the most ugly thing in God's creation is the human body. There was not one woman in 500 that was visibly appealing, causing my mind to say to itself "put it back ON"! And most of the girls that were attractive mutilate themselves with ugly tattoos or body piercings. Or the moment they catch a glimpse of you looking at them, they give you an obscene sign. As far as naked protesters in New York, it hasn't made the national news. I doubt their protest has any effect beyond displaying themselves as exhibitionists, and their spectators as how far tongues can hang out and how loud their panting can be at the prospect of a free show. I never did see how nudity would translate to a political statement of anything except nudism. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Aug 27 15:29:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79606 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2004 22:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2004 22:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.18.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 22:29:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:29:48 -0700 Received: from 209.240.205.63 by by24fd.bay24.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:29:48 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:29:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2004 22:29:48.0309 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C777C50:01C48C85] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.18.54 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.63] Subject: 570 - WMCA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 For those with xm-radio; channel 6 (the 60'd) is recreating an afternoon drive show with the jingles WMCA used during the 60'sand of course, the latest weather from the Big Apple as well. This recreation started at 4pm and is still going on now at 6:28 eestern daylight time). Donn 27.761 latitude north From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Aug 27 16:27:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28669 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2004 23:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2004 23:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.18.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 23:27:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:27:43 -0700 Received: from 209.240.205.63 by by24fd.bay24.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:27:43 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:27:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2004 23:27:43.0450 (UTC) FILETIME=[73CFEBA0:01C48C8D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.18.85 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.63] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Lives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 from Texas, Bruce Carter, posted: >As far as naked protesters in New York, >it hasn't made the national news. >I doubt their protest has any effect >beyond displaying themselves as >exhibitionists, and their spectators as >how far tongues can hang out and how >loud their panting can be at the prospect of a free show.  >I never did see how nudity would >translate to a political statement of >anything except nudis As Archie Bunker said: "If God had meant for people to be naked, they would have been born that way!" :) I venture into a WalMart a few weeks ago and saw a lady that must have weighed at least 350 pounds in a very tight pair of stretch pants. (hot pink). She dropped something and had to bend over, she was fully dressed, but I can assure you, it wasn't a pretty sight. Since parts of Florida are considered NYC's southernmost boroughs, we have three NYC daily newspapers here, at the grocery stores and in vending machines and I did see the protesters of the front page of today's Daily News. I didn't notice it on the front page of the NY Times and I try to avoid ever looking at Rupert Murdoch's Post. The naked people in NYC don't bother me as much as the fully dressed politicians in the city.......I do worry about what they have up their sleeves! Donn, latitude 27.761 n (where the battle of the sounds day and night is on 710 between the station from Havana and the one from Miami; each trying to jam the other) From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Aug 27 19:55:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68873 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 02:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2004 02:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52402.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.110) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 02:55:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20040828025442.82778.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.109] by web52402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:54:42 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:54:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.110 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Enhanced mode MW IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" > wrote: > > Their major null is in your direction anyway. > > No...our major null is towards the northwest, with a > smaller null > towards the Atlantic Ocean. Our secondary lobe goes > directly towards > Philly.....which should put some energy into the > south.....but the > 710's in Shreveport and Amarillo will negate that. I could listen if Cuba and Miami didn't battle it out. NOTE: I hear the Miami station FAR better than I should.. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bruce Carter" > > became a non-issue. > > > > > > Sorry, Tom of WOR, not a trace of your station > in Dallas. It is > > > covered by Shreveport and Amarillo on 710. > > Damn! My plan for world domination is not going as > planned!! > > Speaking of things...I was in Cincinnati last week. > Ever see the WLW > tower up close? VERY impressive, with that big > diamond in the middle > and the call letters on the tower. > Tom Ray > WOR And though it's not AS good as near Amarillo, the ground conductivity is better than the east coast. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Aug 27 19:56:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52563 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 02:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2004 02:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52401.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.109) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 02:56:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20040828025622.34537.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.109] by web52401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:56:22 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:56:22 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.109 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Lives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > We're, right now, too busy watching the naked > protesters...and none > of them are wearing a walkman! Might be > interesting, though, to see > where they'd hold it ;-) > Tom Ray > WOR OOOH! OOOOH! I'm sitting on my hands on this one! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Aug 27 23:40:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39649 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 06:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2004 06:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 06:40:58 -0000 Received: from jimspc ([68.251.255.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7S6es3G047546 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:40:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001401c48cc9$f9459aa0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:40:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Enhanced mode MW IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Tom Ray wrote: > Speaking of things...I was in Cincinnati last week. Ever see the WLW > tower up close? VERY impressive, with that big diamond in the middle > and the call letters on the tower. Several years ago I was doing some part-time service work for Primestar (the now defunct satellite service) and I too several service calls in the area around the WLW tower. It was located next door tot he Bethany broadcasting plant for the Voice Of America. On day in the early 90's I happened to be passing by and they were in the process of dismantling a big part of the Bethany antenna farm, including the horizontal radiator that spanned 3 700' towers. They just cut the guy wires and let 'em fall. I had my camcorder in the van with me (I also like to chase storms before "Twister" made it a Yahoo sport) and I got most of the dismantling on tape. They also dropped about 20-25 standard vertical towers and arrays. Then I stopped at the front gate of the WLW transmitter site to take some pictures of the water pools that were once used to cool the filaments of the tubes in the 500,000 watt transmitter. One of the WLW staff engineers happened to stop by and open the gate (not Jim Hawkins or the current CE, but one of the lowly staff engineers) and he let me in the compound to take pictures and video. I didn't have time to go inside the transmitter building to get video but I got some dandy video of the 747 foot Blaw-Knox double diamond antenna. When I jumped off I 75 and headed east I could almost immediately recognize the WLW tower. It is an impressive sight. Jim Hawkins has a great web site dedicated to an American icon, "The Nation's Station", WLW. I'm sure you've seen it Tom but if any other have not, here is the link: http://hawkins.pair.com/wlw.shtml Tom... On a somewhat unrelated note...... When IBOC gets revved up and running, aren't you concerned about the adjacent channel interference from WLW and WGN? Even though you have given up your plans for global domination of the radio band, WLW and WGN could very well affect your secondary coverage area upstate and in your nulls. -Jim- From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Aug 28 00:32:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13907 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 07:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2004 07:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 07:32:33 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.170]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:38:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c48cd1$25212840$aab10642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:32:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Lives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Man, that makes me think of my drive to Alaska in 1975- after getting into Montana and beyond, the only thing you could get was AFRN radio- forget FM at all- and of course, the 8 track gave out within the first 100 files of that 5100 mile trip... Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Carter Of course a lot of that is in the "boonies" between cities when radio stations are few and far between, and at least in Texas what few stations you can get are all country music (ICK!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Aug 28 00:33:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74371 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 07:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2004 07:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 07:33:58 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.170]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:39:43 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c48cd1$57bd6520$aab10642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:33:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 570 - WMCA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Donno........ nice to know now about that.... :-) cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Donn Tillman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 6:29 PM Subject: {AMSF} 570 - WMCA For those with xm-radio; channel 6 (the 60'd) is recreating an afternoon drive show with the jingles WMCA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Aug 28 04:38:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7054 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 11:38:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2004 11:38:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.192) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 11:38:23 -0000 Received: from storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 832A4BE38; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 04:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA04553; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 04:38:23 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAvDT42KLilQQeaMIeMSxQ5lYC/3sCFA5VEk2+HP8j05KzNjtJw+kju0nJ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 06:38:23 -0500 To: ABDX@topica.com Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <19478-41306EAF-2400@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Kevin, Mesa, AZ" 's message of Sat, 28 Aug 2004 07:02:56 +0000 Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.192 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [ ABDX ] KOMA call change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, Gee, What a shame K O M A is Gone!!!!! What drugs are/ is CBS on?? IS KOMA-FM gone, also?? How much you want to bet that the KOMA calls show up here at Omaha, NE ?? KFAB and KOIL are the two really historic call signs left here in Omaha. While KOCO does say Oklahoma City, OK OCO it still seems like a shame. Makes about as much sense as Jorurnal Broadcasting killing off the WOW-am and FM calls a few years ago... WOW-AM 590 Omaha now KOMJ Magic 590 WOW-FM 94.1 became KMXM> KSSO> KQCH People still refer to 590 as WOW around Omaha. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Sat Aug 28 07:08:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59592 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 14:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2004 14:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.21) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 14:08:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 07:07:45 -0700 Received: from 69.208.245.54 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:07:44 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: kc8yqq@hotmail.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:07:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2004 14:07:45.0213 (UTC) FILETIME=[641D8ED0:01C48D08] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.21 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [69.208.245.54] Subject: Updates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane I've been on the road a lot lately in Michigan (where I live), Ohio, and Indiana. Here's a short list of AM stereo stations confirmed and/or changes: INDIANA WZZB 1390 Seymour ((stereo)) AC/oldies MICHIGAN WDSS 1680 Ada ((stereo)) kids (Radio Disney) WEXL 1340 Royal Oak ((stereo)) Christian talk/sermons WGVU 1480 Kentwood ((stereo)) NPR talk WJR 760 Detroit ((stereo)) talk WRDT 560 Monroe ((stereo)) Christian talk/sermons WYGR 1530 Wyoming ((stereo)) Spanish OHIO WFOB 1430 Fostoria mono talk WISCONSIN WOKY 920 Milwaukee ((stereo)) adult standards/nostalgia ONTARIO CFCO 630 Chatham ((stereo)) AC/oldies Paul Crane _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From tomray@wor710.com Sat Aug 28 07:33:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13908 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 14:33:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2004 14:33:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 14:33:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2004 14:33:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:33:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004301c48c71$a5b7dd60$93b20642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1106 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Lives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Hi Tom- I see you were mentioned in the TH Record yesterday- I didn't know you were a local boy! Hey Chris: Please email me off board....where you located "up here"? >>the rep said "if AM could sound like that, it might be a different story" I then showed him he WAS listening to AM. It was fun to watch his jaw drop. > Also tried it with Bose- and the rep that saw a converted Wave was impressed- but got shot down by his engineering dept. > Ever wonder why people stay in Radio at all???? It never ceases to amaze me. I remember walking into places like Radio Shack during AM Stereo's heyday (they had AM stereo radios in their catalog) and being told by their sales person that "AM wasn't stereo and didn't sound good". He still didn't believe it when I showed him his own catalog and tuned in the station I worked for at the time which was playing a combination of big band with some light AC/jazz mixed in and sounded damn good. Which is why I say that at Radio Shack, "you have questions they can't answer". Tom From tomray@wor710.com Sat Aug 28 07:45:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11953 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 14:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2004 14:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 14:45:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2004 14:45:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:45:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2292 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Lives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: >at least in Texas what few > stations you can get are all country music (ICK!) What country? Know what you get when you play a country song backwards? You get your house back, you get your truck back, you get your wife back...... > It won't be long before > they have internet access (chat rooms) for kids in cars, and > probably satellite TV access as well. I have a couple of Sprint data cards, for my laptop and PDA, so I can get into the station systems when away from home with no immediate access to reasonable Internet access. Guess what my kids like to do on a trip? Fire up Dad's laptop with the data card and cruise their favorite sites! Yikes!! >Cars used to be safe from TV. Now, > except for the driver and front passenger, that is no longer going > to be the case. Well....you obviously haven't driven in NY/NJ. My son and I went to the Giants/Jets game last night. I saw more than a couple of people with LCD TV's on the dashboard driving out of the parking lot!! Why watch the road? Let other people do it! >> > As far as naked protesters in New York, it hasn't made the national > news. I doubt their protest has any effect beyond displaying > themselves as exhibitionists, and their spectators as how far > tongues can hang out and how loud their panting can be at the > prospect of a free show. I never did see how nudity would translate > to a political statement of anything except nudism. Kerry was working on a computer until 8PM the night of the "naked walk" through Times Square. He says he walked out and his jaw dropped....so he asked a cop why they weren't being arrested...after all, they were naked. The cop replied that, unless "those whackos" were causing real trouble (ie, breaking windows and the like), they just let them pass by and get it out of their system. So Kerry told him he was about to go blind....the cop roared with laughter. Mayor of New York said, "what's the big deal? This is New York. You expect to see naked people on 7th Avenue!". So....since it obviously is OK to walk naked through Times Square, I was trying to arrange a noontime walk with WOR staffers yesterday.........no one was interested. Damn! Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Sat Aug 28 07:47:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99557 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 14:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2004 14:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 14:47:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2004 14:47:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:47:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040828025442.82778.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 608 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Enhanced mode MW IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > I could listen if Cuba and Miami didn't battle it out. > NOTE: I hear the Miami station FAR better than I > should.. > > Hmmm....something to check out. About two months ago, all I can figure is that Miami and Fidel were both off the air on a Saturday night around 9PM (don't know why that would be so early). I received a DX report from Ponce, Puerto Rico....and it was a very accurate listing of what was on our air that evening. And it wasn't from our Internet stream....that program isn't on the net. Tom From cbreton27@hotmail.com Sat Aug 28 08:22:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36167 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 15:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2004 15:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 15:22:36 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 08:22:31 -0700 Received: from 69.157.134.160 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:22:30 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:22:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2004 15:22:31.0381 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6147850:01C48D12] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.86 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.134.160] Subject: WLW 700 Am stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi everybody, I can confirm that wlw was am stereo last night. Good news ? Christian _________________________________________________________________ Profitez des puissants filtres de courriels indésirables articulés sur la technologie brevetée MicrosoftMD SmartScreen. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-ca&page=features/junkmail Commencez dès maintenant à profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Aug 28 09:00:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20814 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 16:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2004 16:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 16:00:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20040828160047.69281.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.92] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:00:47 PDT Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:00:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Enhanced mode MW IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > > I could listen if Cuba and Miami didn't battle it > out. > > NOTE: I hear the Miami station FAR better than I > > should.. > > > > > > Hmmm....something to check out. > > About two months ago, all I can figure is that Miami > and Fidel were > both off the air on a Saturday night around 9PM > (don't know why that > would be so early). I received a DX report from > Ponce, Puerto > Rico....and it was a very accurate listing of what > was on our air that > evening. And it wasn't from our Internet > stream....that program isn't > on the net. > > Tom Well let me run the minidisc near TOH and see what happens. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Aug 28 09:01:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46296 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 16:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2004 16:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 16:01:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20040828160149.25894.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.92] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:01:49 PDT Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:01:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLW 700 Am stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- christian breton wrote: > > > > Hi everybody, > > > I can confirm that wlw was am stereo last night. > Good news ? > > > Christian And how can you confirm this? And the answer to the question is no. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Sat Aug 28 09:03:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6274 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 16:03:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2004 16:03:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.23) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 16:03:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:03:28 -0700 Received: from 68.255.73.210 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:03:28 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:03:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2004 16:03:28.0953 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EE83290:01C48D18] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.23 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.255.73.210] Subject: RE: {AMSF} WLW 700 Am stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Your radio must be falsing. I was in Fort Wayne last night and the seek buttom stopped at 700 but no AM stereo. Sorry, Paul Crane >From: "christian breton" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} WLW 700 Am stereo >Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:22:30 -0400 > > > > >Hi everybody, > > >I can confirm that wlw was am stereo last night. Good news ? > > >Christian > >_________________________________________________________________ >Profitez des puissants filtres de courriels indésirables articulés sur la >technologie brevetée MicrosoftMD SmartScreen. >http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-ca&page=features/junkmail Commencez dès >maintenant à profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les >deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Sat Aug 28 09:15:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52691 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 16:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2004 16:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-out.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 16:15:40 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by smtp-out.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A7E47D530B for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92CE10A60FC for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040828121713.01c98470@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:17:36 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040828160149.25894.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.61 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLW 700 Am stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why is it not good news? What is WLW anyway? At 09:01 AM 8/28/2004 -0700, you wrote: >--- christian breton wrote: > >> >> >> >> Hi everybody, >> >> >> I can confirm that wlw was am stereo last night. >> Good news ? >> >> >> Christian > > >And how can you confirm this? > > >And the answer to the question is no. > >Powell > > > > > >===== >powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > John Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cbreton27@hotmail.com Sat Aug 28 09:17:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56097 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 16:17:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2004 16:17:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 16:17:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:12:28 -0700 Received: from 69.157.134.160 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:12:28 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:12:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2004 16:12:28.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0B024C0:01C48D19] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.85 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.134.160] Subject: WLW Am stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi, I'm using a dodge shadow car radio, it was late last night the "am st" was on. By the way, does 1520 buffalo is am stereo ? Christian _________________________________________________________________ Des mécanismes de contrôle parental puissants permettent à votre enfant de découvrir tout ce qu’Internet a à offrir. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-ca&page=features/parental&ST=1&xAPID=1983&DI=2043 Commencez dès maintenant à profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Aug 28 09:30:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65234 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 16:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2004 16:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 16:30:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20040828163019.83719.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.92] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:30:19 PDT Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:30:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLW Am stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- christian breton wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm using a dodge shadow car radio, it was late last > night the "am st" was > on. That does not mean anything. It could be falsing. I don't think there's any AM stereo equipment in the TX site hooked up to anything. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Aug 28 09:31:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8120 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 16:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2004 16:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 16:31:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20040828163118.83946.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.92] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:31:18 PDT Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:31:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040828121713.01c98470@pop.GameBox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLW 700 Am stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- John Holcomb II wrote: > Why is it not good news? Because they AREN'T. > What is WLW anyway? 700 ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Aug 28 14:49:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1551 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 21:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2004 21:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 21:49:14 -0000 Received: from jimspc ([68.251.255.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7SLnBOw001736 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:49:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002a01c48d48$dbe4c060$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:49:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Updates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > "Paul Crane" wrote: > > I've been on the road a lot lately in Michigan (where I live), Ohio, and > Indiana. Here's a short list of AM stereo stations confirmed and/or > changes: > > INDIANA > > WZZB 1390 Seymour ((stereo)) AC/oldies Not only is WZZB AM Stereo but it is one of the best sounding AM Stereo stations I've ever heard. If any of you are driving up/down I-65 in southern Indiana, you gotta check this one out. From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Aug 28 14:55:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24490 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 21:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2004 21:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 21:55:09 -0000 Received: from jimspc ([68.251.255.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7SLt7jb002534 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:55:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003b01c48d49$afe8dfe0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:55:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLW 700 Am stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Your radio must be falsing. I was in Fort Wayne last night and the seek > buttom stopped at 700 but no AM stereo. I live about 70 miles from the WLW transmitter site and they have never broadcasted in AM Stereo of any kind. Since WLW is one of Clear Channel's heritage flagships, I'm sure it will become one of the first of the Clear Channel AM's to go IBOC. Second only to WOAI would be my guess....... From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Aug 28 15:06:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49804 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 22:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2004 22:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 22:06:29 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.183.65]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:12:15 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c48d4b$3aa0d920$41b70642@4bmx301> To: References: <003b01c48d49$afe8dfe0$6501a8c0@jimspc> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:06:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLW 700 Am stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I get falsing on 700 from time to time. Not sure who or what, but my guess is that two stations are just off frequency enough to cause a beat triggering the false pilot. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Burgan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 5:55 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Aug 28 19:51:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38930 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2004 02:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2004 02:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.191) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2004 02:51:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:42:43 -0700 Received: from 24.94.108.163 by bay12-dav17.bay12.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:42:43 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:42:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2004 02:42:43.0280 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBDE0D00:01C48D71] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.191 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.108.163] Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLW 700 Am stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christian breton wrote: > I can confirm that wlw was am stereo last night. Good news ? Bad News: Radio Jamaica's "Radio 2" broadcasting on AM 700 in Montego Bay, Jamaica is 25Hz off channel making WLW false and light up your Stereo light. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Aug 28 22:12:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78455 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2004 05:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2004 05:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14225.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.109) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2004 05:12:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20040829051221.80672.qmail@web14225.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.0.194.48] by web14225.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:12:21 PDT Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:12:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.171.109 From: "John P." Subject: WFEA almost was AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio did you know this about WFEA? From their website: "Fast forward to July 29, 1986. Sunshine bought WFEA and announced plans to move both stations into a new property. George Silverman also announced plans for WFEA to take advantage of recently-approved FCC technology to convert to AM stereo (as a point of trivia, WFEA had a new jingle package cut in January 1987; it was recorded in stereo but the implementation of the technology was never completed)." _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Aug 28 22:41:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72010 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2004 05:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2004 05:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2004 05:41:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2004 05:41:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 05:41:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 369 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.174.128 Subject: Chrysler AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Had a question about late model Chrysler C_Quams. I have an early 2000's (2001 I am guessing) Chrysler AM/FM/CD/Cassette in my 1985 Dodge Diplomat (fit w/o having to modify anything). It has AM stereo, gets stereo indication on weak stations but it needs a fairly strong signal in order to get any seperation. Like FM stereo, it seems to blend. Is this normal? From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Aug 29 00:30:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63306 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2004 07:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2004 07:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2004 07:30:02 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.133]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 03:35:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c48d99$f53f5e20$85b10642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 03:29:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chrysler AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, it's normal- On the RAZ radios, they use a separate am stereo module, using all SMD parts. The IC is an MC13022, and with some careful work under a magnifier, the auto-blend can be defeated. You would need the PDF file for the 13022, I think it's available in the files section. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: wgliradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 1:41 AM Subject: {AMSF} Chrysler AM Stereo It has AM stereo, gets stereo indication on weak stations but it needs a fairly strong signal in order to get any seperation. Like FM stereo, it seems to blend. Is this normal? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoexp@yahoo.com Sun Aug 29 01:34:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoexp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32459 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2004 08:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2004 08:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14930.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.159) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2004 08:34:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20040829083445.30562.qmail@web14930.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.86.14] by web14930.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:34:45 PDT Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:34:45 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.225.159 From: amstereoexp Subject: Fwd: Re: Is 950 kxjk still AM STEREO? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78550888 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoexp Sigh.... apparently KXJK never got the news that C-Quam was chosen as the standard over a *decade* ago..... --- rkhester@up-link.net wrote: > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:54:13 -0500 (CDT) > Subject: [Fwd: Re: Is 950 kxjk still AM STEREO?] > From: rkhester@up-link.net > To: amstereoexp@yahoo.com > > Hi this is Richard w5rhs on the list. > This is from 950 kxjk in Arkansas. I am sad to say they have > dropped stereo. Here is the emails to and from them. Maybe > you all can get them to turn it back on. Richard w5rhs > > ---------------------- Original Message -------------------- > Subject: Re: Is 950 kxjk still AM STEREO? > From: "KXJK/KBFC" > Date: Thu, August 26, 2004 12:45 pm > To: rkhester@up-link.net > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > We dropped the stereo when there was no default standard system > chosen by the FCC. We play rock and soul until five p.m. or so, > then switch to Newstalk. > > I don't think you can get us in Benton, unless you try at night. > > Rhonda > > rkhester@up-link.net wrote: >> Hi, I saw your station kxjk listed in an AM STEREO web site >> and I was wondering if in fact you are still transmitting >> am stereo? If you are, this would make you the only station >> in Arkansas that is and that is something to be proud of! >> Since I live in central Ar. I don't know if I can hear your >> transmitter here but I will try. What format of music do you >> play on 950? Thanks for any info. Richard in Benton Ar. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 29 07:53:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71842 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2004 14:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2004 14:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52004.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.60) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2004 14:53:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20040829145259.61525.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.48.186] by web52004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:52:59 PDT Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:52:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040829083445.30562.qmail@web14930.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.60 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: Re: Is 950 kxjk still AM STEREO? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Um, didn't the F.C.C. choose a standard in 1993? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tomray@wor710.com Sun Aug 29 16:23:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71761 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2004 23:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2004 23:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2004 23:23:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2004 23:23:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:23:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001401c48cc9$f9459aa0$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1080 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Enhanced mode MW IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > Tom... On a somewhat unrelated note...... When IBOC gets revved up and > running, aren't you concerned about the adjacent channel interference from > WLW and WGN? Even though you have given up your plans for global domination > of the radio band, WLW and WGN could very well affect your secondary > coverage area upstate and in your nulls. > -Jim- Jim: I live in Orange County, NY, and I can tell you from experience that I can barely hear WOR here because of our null. But judging from what I experienced when we did overnight testing, while the analog coverage may be of some concern, the company looks at it this way: the secondary coverage areas don't get NYC ratings books. While we appreciate every listener we have, we are licensed to serve the City of New York and our cashflow is based on the ratings book of the New York Metro area. It will probably get funky "up here" in the null once IBOC is up and running. But, overall, we think it's a good thing for the industry. Tom Ray WOR From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Aug 29 17:34:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75382 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 00:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2004 00:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.189) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 00:34:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:26:55 -0700 Received: from 24.94.108.163 by bay12-dav15.bay12.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:26:54 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:26:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2004 00:26:55.0092 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D94FB40:01C48E28] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.189 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.108.163] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Enhanced mode MW IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: >the company looks at it this way: the secondary coverage areas don't get NYC ratings books. And that is one of the biggest problems with AM radio today. The whole purpose of having 50,000 Watt Clears was to serve areas that had little to no Night time AM radio. With every channel quickly becoming a "Graveyard" channel, when People are driving at night, the ONLY thing they can pick up is noise and interference. There are still many areas in the US where DX is the ONLY night time radio there is, other than XM. It was when the big clears stopped fighting to keep their Clear channels clear, that AM radio listenership fell into the toilet at night. Even "Big Gun" stations like WWL, WBAP, and WLW that used to cater to coast to coast truckers have lost their audience due to the heavy interference. As far as I know, there are NO all night trucker shows on the Clears anymore :-( I sure spent many nights listening to "Honest John Parker, The Used Car Salesman" overnights on WWL. > >It will probably get funky "up here" in the null once IBOC is up and running. But, overall, we think it's a good thing for the industry. How long do you think it will take for IBOC radios to out number the analog radios enough to make a big difference in the ratings books? As the Number 19 station in New York pulling a 2.4 share, so far IBOC has not helped WOR beat down number 6 WABC, the highest rated AM, much less WLTW-FM's 5.6 share! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 29 18:15:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34929 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 01:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2004 01:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 01:15:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20040830011525.39556.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.87] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:15:25 PDT Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:15:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Enhanced mode MW IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: New York Metro area. > > It will probably get funky "up here" in the null > once IBOC is up and > running. But, overall, we think it's a good thing > for the industry. > Tom Ray > WOR Clear Channel is going to have a problem with WLAC / WSAI. WSAI just tears up WLAC in the primary coverage area of WLAC unless you are VERY close in and in that part of a major lobe. Expect WLAC to do the same to WSAI. I don't see them suing each other. WWNC 570 in Asheville if they run IBOC will play havoc with WVOC (560) here in Columbia on nights of good short skip. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Aug 29 18:35:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37507 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 01:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2004 01:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 01:35:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2004 01:35:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 01:35:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1142 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.139 Subject: Re: Enhanced mode MW IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It will probably get funky "up here" in the null once IBOC is up > and running. But, overall, we think it's a good thing for the > industry. Things are already "funky" in Union, NJ. I did a daytime band-scan there the other day on my car radio, and 680 through 750 kHz was completely obliterated by WOR's IBOC hash. And I'm not talking just a little noise. 680 and 750 kHz were filled with hissing and crackling noises, and 690, 700, 720, 730, and 740 kHz were all doing an excellent impression of a Soviet shortwave-band jammer. It seems that 25 mV/m of an IBOC signal can do some rather "funky" things, even if it is claimed to comply with the NRSC mask. But even stranger than that was hearing some Spanish religious pirate transmitting on 760 kHz (!) and 1630 kHz. This station was on the air for years at 1620 kHz, but somehow it moved to 1630 kHz and grew a simulcast on 760 kHz, right next door to the city-grade signal of 770 WABC. There also seemed to be some kind of transmitter on the air at 1720 kHz, because on 1710 (as high as my car radio will tune), I heard the "monkey chatter" of its lower sideband. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Aug 29 18:49:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41045 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 01:49:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2004 01:49:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 01:49:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2004 01:49:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 01:49:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 474 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.139 Subject: Would you choose Mono to save $5? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This week, Kmart is selling a Sylvania mono VCR for $44 and a Sylvania Hi-Fi Stereo VCR for $49. A decade ago, Radio Shack had two car radios which were identical, except one didn't have AM Stereo and cost $10 less than the other. Now, the price differential between mono and stereo is half as much. So are consumers really willing to choose mono, just to save 5 bucks? It would be very interesting to see the totals of how many of each are sold at these prices. From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sun Aug 29 20:22:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94651 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 03:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2004 03:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 03:22:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2004 03:22:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 03:22:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 528 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "dbdigital2004" X-Originating-IP: 69.3.114.199 Subject: KPOP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 On a sad note for you DX'ers, KPOP/1360 in Los Angeles changed it's call sign to KLSD and its format from adult standards to what it calls "progressive talk" (as opposed to regressive talk, I guess). For L.A., AM is rapidly becoming the graveyard for talk: sports talk, conservative talk, religious talk and, yes, "progressive talk." Hardly anyone considers AM a band for playing or hearing music. As much as I detest the Walt Disney empire, I have to hand it to them for keeping the music and stereo alive on AM. db From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sun Aug 29 20:27:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92324 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 03:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2004 03:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 03:27:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2004 03:26:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 03:26:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 695 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: Enhanced mode MW IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Tom Ray wrote: << But, overall, we think it's a good thing for the industry. >> You MEAN you think it's a good thing for WOR. I think posts such as Bruce Carter's show that what MIGHT be good for the congested airwaves on the east coast won't necessarily prove to be the case for other major sections of the "industry" out West. Plus, radio is a copy cat business. Very few PD's or GM's do their own research. They just take what's fed to them from corporate. It just takes a few key endorsements to get a thing like IBOC going. If and when the IBOC horror stories start making their way back to corporate ears, don't be too surprised if the common wisdom changes overnight. From w6yn@juno.com Sun Aug 29 20:42:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14656 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 03:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2004 03:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1.nyc.test.juno.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 03:42:04 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABAVFJN9ACDZTLS for (sender ); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:40:15 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCQV6JqYV184U81Aokv+e9o0= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J59KHLDE; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:40:00 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:39:12 -0700 Message-ID: <20040829.203915.1340.3.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-21 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:696985989 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} KPOP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn KPOP/1360 is licensed to San Diego. Don On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 03:22:27 -0000 "dbdigital2004" writes: > On a sad note for you DX'ers, KPOP/1360 in Los Angeles changed it's > call sign to KLSD and > its format from adult standards to what it calls "progressive talk" > (as opposed to regressive > talk, I guess). > > For L.A., AM is rapidly becoming the graveyard for talk: sports > talk, conservative talk, > religious talk and, yes, "progressive talk." Hardly anyone considers > AM a band for playing > or hearing music. > > As much as I detest the Walt Disney empire, I have to hand it to > them for keeping the > music and stereo alive on AM. > > db From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Aug 29 20:49:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13358 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 03:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2004 03:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.18.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 03:49:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:48:59 -0700 Received: from 209.240.205.63 by by24fd.bay24.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 03:48:58 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 03:48:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2004 03:48:59.0135 (UTC) FILETIME=[481320F0:01C48E44] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.18.73 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.63] Subject: RE: {AMSF} KPOP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 >KPOP/1360 in Los >Angeles changed it's >call sign to KLSD >and its format from >adult standards to >what it calls >"progressive talk" >(as opposed to >regressive talk, I guess). Wasn't 1360 at one time licensed to San Diego as KJB? ( or was it KCBQ?) Donn latitude 27.761 north From w6yn@juno.com Sun Aug 29 21:24:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68088 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 04:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2004 04:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1.nyc.test.juno.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 04:24:21 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABAVFL87APDL4MA for (sender ); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:23:57 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCTkgc60/UQq4vVogpjMzBkA= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J59MYMT2; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:23:10 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:22:46 -0700 Message-ID: <20040829.212246.1340.4.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-5,7-23 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:3753003083 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} KPOP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn KCBQ / 1170 kHz was originally KFSD - I think...which is now KFSD / 1450 kHz Escondido, California Don On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 03:48:58 +0000 "Donn Tillman" writes: > >KPOP/1360 in Los > >Angeles changed it's > >call sign to KLSD > >and its format from > >adult standards to > >what it calls > >"progressive talk" > >(as opposed to > >regressive talk, I guess). > > Wasn't 1360 at one time licensed to San Diego as KJB? ( or was it > KCBQ?) > > Donn > latitude 27.761 north > > From w6yn@juno.com Sun Aug 29 21:45:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13713 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 04:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2004 04:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1.nyc.test.juno.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 04:45:17 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABAVFNE9AYUZUBA for (sender ); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:44:15 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCbbrmVVyS7e0lk/hOZBzZ4Y= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J59N5GZ8; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:43:18 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:42:30 -0700 Message-ID: <20040829.214231.1340.5.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,6-20 X-ContentStamp: 7:3:3190686349 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} KPOP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn KJB 710 AM Stereo 710kHz is licensed to Puerto Rico. Don On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 03:48:58 +0000 "Donn Tillman" writes: > >KPOP/1360 in Los > >Angeles changed it's > >call sign to KLSD > >and its format from > >adult standards to > >what it calls > >"progressive talk" > >(as opposed to > >regressive talk, I guess). > > Wasn't 1360 at one time licensed to San Diego as KJB? ( or was it > KCBQ?) > > Donn > latitude 27.761 north From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 29 23:24:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44294 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 06:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2004 06:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 06:24:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2004 06:24:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:24:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040829.214231.1340.5.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 384 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.39 Subject: Re: {AMSF} KPOP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > KJB 710 AM Stereo 710kHz is licensed to Puerto Rico. > > On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 03:48:58 +0000 "Donn Tillman" > writes: > > > > Wasn't 1360 at one time licensed to San Diego as KJB? ( or was it > > KCBQ?) I think Donn was referring to former San Diego calls KGB. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Aug 29 23:42:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 99233 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 06:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2004 06:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 06:42:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2004 06:42:12 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77881 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 03:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2004 03:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 03:04:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2004 03:03:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 03:03:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1890 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: Enhanced mode MW IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 30 Aug 2004 06:42:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 Kevin, do you have an SRF-42, and another portable digitally tuned radio that uses a 450kHz IF? My SRF-42 goes up to 1750 (don't know if yours does). What you could do is try to tune the SRF-42 so that the "monkey chatter" becomes a listenable station. Then, take the digitally tuned radio and start tuning around in the mid to upper 1200s range. When you get the local oscillator from the digital radio to put a tuned signal (or as close as you can get) into the SRF-42, read the display on the digital radio, and add 450kHz (if you're using a digitally tuned radio with a 450kHz IF) to it and you have the station's frequency. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > It will probably get funky "up here" in the null once IBOC is up > > and running. But, overall, we think it's a good thing for the > > industry. > > Things are already "funky" in Union, NJ. I did a daytime band-scan > there the other day on my car radio, and 680 through 750 kHz was > completely obliterated by WOR's IBOC hash. And I'm not talking just > a little noise. 680 and 750 kHz were filled with hissing and > crackling noises, and 690, 700, 720, 730, and 740 kHz were all doing > an excellent impression of a Soviet shortwave-band jammer. > > It seems that 25 mV/m of an IBOC signal can do some rather "funky" > things, even if it is claimed to comply with the NRSC mask. > > But even stranger than that was hearing some Spanish religious pirate > transmitting on 760 kHz (!) and 1630 kHz. This station was on the > air for years at 1620 kHz, but somehow it moved to 1630 kHz and grew > a simulcast on 760 kHz, right next door to the city-grade signal of > 770 WABC. There also seemed to be some kind of transmitter on the > air at 1720 kHz, because on 1710 (as high as my car radio will tune), > I heard the "monkey chatter" of its lower sideband. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Aug 29 23:42:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 89698 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 06:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2004 06:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 06:42:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2004 06:42:29 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36548 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 03:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2004 03:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 03:04:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2004 03:04:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 03:04:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 762 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: Would you choose Mono to save $5? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 30 Aug 2004 06:42:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > This week, Kmart is selling a Sylvania mono VCR for $44 and a > Sylvania Hi-Fi Stereo VCR for $49. A decade ago, Radio Shack had two > car radios which were identical, except one didn't have AM Stereo and > cost $10 less than the other. Now, the price differential between > mono and stereo is half as much. So are consumers really willing to > choose mono, just to save 5 bucks? It would be very interesting to > see the totals of how many of each are sold at these prices. /me runs out and buys the stereo VCR (not that I need one.. but maybe ours is getting old and should be replaced since it's mono only... but I still need a good <$40 capture card for my computer...) From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Aug 29 23:43:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13337 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 06:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2004 06:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 06:43:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.61] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2004 06:43:12 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37623 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 04:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2004 04:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 04:26:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2004 04:26:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 04:26:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 967 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: {AMSF} KPOP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 30 Aug 2004 06:42:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 1360 (before I remember it) was KGB at one time. That callsign lives on on 101.5 FM, a classic rocker. KCBQ is on 1170 AM, a conservative talk station owned or programmed (I'm not sure which) by Salem Communications. As for stereo, I've never heard stereo on 1360 in the times that I've had a functional SRF-42 including now (but haven't bothered to check after format change cause I assume they're probably staying mono) If 1360 was to change their format I would have liked them to fire up a stereo generator and pipe in Radio Disney, but alas, that didn't happen. :( --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" wrote: > >KPOP/1360 in Los > >Angeles changed it's > >call sign to KLSD > >and its format from > >adult standards to > >what it calls > >"progressive talk" > >(as opposed to > >regressive talk, I guess). > > Wasn't 1360 at one time licensed to San Diego as KJB? ( or was it KCBQ?) > > Donn > latitude 27.761 north From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Aug 30 00:05:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67301 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 07:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2004 07:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.241.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 07:05:31 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040830070516.TNQV7136.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 03:05:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:05:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.38 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} KPOP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1360 was 136/KGB, at one time Boss Radio for San Diego. KCBQ eventually=20 beat it, and KGB became progressive music. Much later it did quite well=20 as 13K, playing top-40 at the end of AM dominance. Ads on 1360 now state that you can find oldies "where music should be=20 ... on FM." I hope KLAC in LA stays standards. Richard On Sunday, August 29, 2004, at 08:48 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > >KPOP/1360 in Los > >Angeles changed it's > >call sign to KLSD > >and its format from > >adult standards to > >what it calls > >"progressive talk" > >(as opposed to > >regressive talk, I guess). > > Wasn't 1360 at one time licensed to San Diego as KJB? ( or was it=20 > KCBQ?) > > Donn > latitude 27.761 north > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Mon Aug 30 05:27:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8786 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 12:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2004 12:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.173.62) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 12:27:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 05:27:06 -0700 Received: from 209.240.207.112 by bay5-dav32.bay5.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:27:06 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:27:06 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <24264-41331D1A-1458@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 30 Aug 2004 11:30:43 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2004 12:27:06.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9C9B230:01C48E8C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.173.62 X-eGroups-From: starship_2001@msn.com (Norbert 26) From: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: [209.240.207.112] Subject: Re: Enhanced mode IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Kevin wrote in part: > Things are already "funky" in Union, NJ. > I did a daytime band-scan there the > other day on my car radio, and 680 > through 750 kHz was completely > obliterated by WOR's IBOC hash. And I'm > not talking just a little noise. 680 and > 750 kHz were filled with hissing and > crackling noises, and 690, 700, 720, > 730, and 740 kHz were all doing an > excellent impression of a Soviet > shortwave-band jammer. > --- I am just south of Providence R.I. and have experienced the same thing at high noon. In fact the IBOC hash can be heard right over the analog signal itself. Prior to IBOC i coud pick up WOR loud and clear at high noon. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 30 18:07:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61223 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2004 01:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2004 01:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2004 01:07:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2004 01:06:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 01:06:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2734 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.131 Subject: Canada vs. IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com.... Could AM Nighttime IBOC be Delayed by Border Concerns? Some Canadian broadcasters are worried about potential interference to their analog AM and FM broadcasts along border areas and beyond as more U.S. stations go digital. Radio World reported on this a year ago, saying the Canadian Association of Broadcasters was most concerned with potential interference to FM stations in Toronto, Windsor, and Vancouver, markets heavily penetrated by U.S. FM signals. But after reading the Further Notice in the IBOC proceeding, the CAB and the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation felt it necessary to re-state their concerns in an Aug. 4 letter to the division of the Canadian government that manages and allocates spectrum, Industry Canada. "We feel that it is necessary for us to stress again the necessity for Industry Canada to notify the FCC that the authorization of AM IBOC transmissions, especially at night, will very likely result in harmful interference to Canadian signals," say the CAB and CBC in the letter. The CAB and CBC also believe IBOC transmissions have not been factored into current frequency coordination agreements between the two countries -- agreements that also govern interference remediation. Although Canada is using the Eureka-147 technology for digital radio on FM [sic] in six markets, it still relies heavily on analog in much of the country. The CBC says its AM transmitters are especially important in the Western and Atlantic provinces, "where single transmitters cover extensive areas that may be province-wide." Although the FCC states in the Further Notice that such international issues are important, the two Canadian groups don't believe the U.S. is thinking about them early enough in the authorization process. When RW Online asked Ibiquity for a reaction, COO Jeff Jury said, "We are aware of the comments made regarding the potential for IBOC to cause interference to Canadian broadcasts. Our understanding is that the FCC is working with the Canadian government to answer their questions and resolve their concerns. We are confidant [sic] that any concerns in Canada can be addressed and that these issues will not delay the rollout of HD Radio in the U.S." ----------------- My response to iBiquity's reaction: didn't they say the same exact thing about the initial concerns about the audio quality (or complete lack thereof) of their PAC codec? They kept saying, "we're working on it... improvements are being made constantly... it will not delay the rollout of HD Radio". Wrong! So, I think this will be yet another one of iBiquity's false promises, which we've been hearing for nearly the past five years. From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 30 18:18:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23800 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2004 01:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2004 01:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52409.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.117) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2004 01:18:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20040831011829.75043.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.111] by web52409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:18:29 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:18:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.117 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Canada vs. IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW To put it bluntly, Canada feels IBOC violates the International agreements. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From dav259@csiro.au Mon Aug 30 18:41:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30523 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2004 01:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2004 01:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail2.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.13) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2004 01:41:28 -0000 Received: from csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D515402C for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:41:05 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32CDF54029 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:41:05 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V1f4fB019622 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:41:04 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:41:04 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.2.13 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Stereo - No Pilot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Could someone technical visit aus.radio.broadcast and post a message to try and clear something up for us ignorant Aussies? I've tried to say that 3AK has been in stereo for the last few years without a pilot. I've also said that I think I understand that "forced stereo" AMS receivers don't need a pilot to pick up stereo sound. But some AMS receivers do need a pilot to trigger off the stereo effect. Marv - This message is from one of your Aussie guys with a Fanfare FTA100 (who calls himself "Iwasyoungonce") - he may even be here on this list. "Been researching my technical theory, but if there's any AM broadcast engineers out there who are younger and therefore much less rusty than I who can clarify this, please feel free. So here is the good oil (unless I've completely bollocksed it) - an AM station can broadcast a Pilot Tone, which can be used to switch on an AM stereo decoder (and indicate stereo) - while actually using a mono signal, so yes, an AM station can indicate stereo while actually broadcasting in mono. An AM Stereo station can broadcast in stereo without a Pilot tone, but such an arrangement requires a manual stereo/mono switch function. This is totally different from FM, whereby the 19KHz Pilot Tone is phase-referenced to the 38KHz subcarrier for the L-R channel; and must be broadcast to allow accurate decoding and channel recombination." The thread is "Who's Left in AM Stereo?" which "Iwasyoungonce" started. thanks Ian Melbourne From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Aug 30 20:49:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90118 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2004 03:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2004 03:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2004 03:49:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2004 03:48:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 03:48:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 738 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.244 Subject: Re: Stereo - No Pilot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > This is totally different from FM, whereby the 19KHz Pilot Tone is > phase-referenced to the 38KHz subcarrier for the L-R channel; and must be > broadcast to allow accurate decoding and channel recombination." This is correct. The pilot for FM is integral for the decoding of stereo, but the pilot for AM is not, except to turn the decoder on or off. Forced-stereo AM radios, which go stereo on detection of a carrier rather than a pilot, will receive pilotless stereo broadcasts. In FM, the 19kHz pilot acts as the AM carrier for the 38kHz dual- sideband, suppressed-carrier L-R signal, being the audio is at the pilot's first harmonic. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From mark_608@hotmail.com Tue Aug 31 11:30:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5605 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2004 18:30:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2004 18:30:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2004 18:30:45 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:30:43 -0700 Received: from 136.1.1.33 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:30:43 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:30:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2004 18:30:43.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[A03E53E0:01C48F88] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.83 From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: [136.1.1.33] Subject: Forbes Article On NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 Here is an interesting article I came across...not directly AM Stereo related, but talks about the FCC and the NAB and their "war" on the satellite services: http://tinyurl.com/3sgg5 Mark Warren,MI From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Sep 01 06:30:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42182 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2004 13:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2004 13:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2004 13:30:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2004 13:30:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:30:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 499 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: Forbes Article On NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Could you post the original URL? the "tiny URL" doesn't work or wants me to subscribe to something before it lets me see the link. the last thing I need is more spam from the tiny URL folks. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Sundquist" wrote: > Here is an interesting article I came across...not directly AM Stereo > related, but talks about the FCC and the NAB and their "war" on the > satellite services: > > http://tinyurl.com/3sgg5 > > > Mark > Warren,MI From rkhester@up-link.net Wed Sep 01 11:12:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rkhester@up-link.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63851 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2004 18:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2004 18:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2004 18:11:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2004 18:09:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 18:09:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040829083445.30562.qmail@web14930.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 848 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Richard_K_Hester" X-Originating-IP: 170.94.116.114 Subject: Fwd: Re: Is 950 kxjk still AM STEREO? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171897818 X-Yahoo-Profile: w5rhs170 Here is the responce of kxjk...very sad Re: Is 950 kxjk still AM STEREO? From: "KXJK/KBFC" Date: Sat, August 28, 2004 11:41 pm To: rkhester@up-link.net Priority: Normal Options: View Full Header | View Printable Version We were c-quam...it was the standard, but even it died. There just aren't any AM stereo radios out there, or at least, not enough to justify the cost. It's much more complicated than flipping a switch - constant maintenance of the processors, stereo generator and coupling components to stay within specs. DAB may prove to be better. JF 9876T rkhester@up-link.net wrote: >The standard now is c-quam. Is that what you had or were you a Kahn >Station? If you were c-quam all you would have to do flip the >switch..thanks for the info. Richard > > > > From rkhester@up-link.net Wed Sep 01 11:15:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rkhester@up-link.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44595 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2004 18:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2004 18:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2004 18:15:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2004 18:15:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 18:15:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 843 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Richard_K_Hester" X-Originating-IP: 170.94.116.114 Subject: kxjk not am stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171897818 X-Yahoo-Profile: w5rhs170 Here is their responce..very sadSubject: Re: Is 950 kxjk still AM STEREO? From: "KXJK/KBFC" Date: Sat, August 28, 2004 11:41 pm To: rkhester@up-link.net Priority: Normal Options: View Full Header | View Printable Version We were c-quam...it was the standard, but even it died. There just aren't any AM stereo radios out there, or at least, not enough to justify the cost. It's much more complicated than flipping a switch - constant maintenance of the processors, stereo generator and coupling components to stay within specs. DAB may prove to be better. JF 9876T rkhester@up-link.net wrote: >The standard now is c-quam. Is that what you had or were you a Kahn >Station? If you were c-quam all you would have to do flip the >switch..thanks for the info. Richard > > > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 01 11:17:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84254 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2004 18:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2004 18:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2004 18:17:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2004 18:16:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 18:16:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 966 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.244 Subject: Re: Forbes Article On NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > Could you post the original URL? the "tiny URL" doesn't work or > wants me to subscribe to something before it lets me see the link. > the last thing I need is more spam from the tiny URL folks. TinyURL does not spam- Never have, and I don't think they ever will. As for Forbes, yes, it is a subscription site. The purpose of TinyURL was actually to solve a problem some web-based message boards (like Yahoo! Groups) have in dealing with URLs that get chopped off or split, making them nearly useless on the groups. The service does one thing, and one thing only: it simply redirects to the referring page with a very short URL. No spam, no pop-ups- Just whatever it is supposed to point to. If there ARE pop-ups, this is NOT TinyURL's fault, but the fault of the referred page/site. So please don't blame TinyURL- It's just doing what it's supposed to do. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Sep 01 11:41:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73197 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2004 18:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2004 18:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.198.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2004 18:40:59 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004090118315901300hno0re>; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:31:59 +0000 To: Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:32:14 -0400 Message-ID: <007701c49052$00c11b70$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.198.35 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: 1090 WILD Boston in MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn I just noticed that 1090 WILD in Boston has turned off their stereo. Lets hope this is nothing perminant. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 01 14:26:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65228 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2004 21:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2004 21:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2004 21:26:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20040901212606.98005.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:26:06 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:26:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." Subject: Canadian Concerns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Canada voices it concerns about IBOC RF wrecking their AM stations: http://www.pbm3.com/trk/ct.aspx?x=8e8.1f88.213475 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Sep 01 19:12:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75475 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2004 02:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2004 02:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2004 02:12:30 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.53.110] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:12:26 -0600 Message-ID: <001301c49092$ade35bc0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <007701c49052$00c11b70$6400a8c0@AMD> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:14:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2004 02:12:28.0668 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BED3BC0:01C49092] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1090 WILD Boston in MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If it's not back on in a few days, please give them a call. That's the only way they'll know there's still a demand for it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lehmann" > I just noticed that 1090 WILD in Boston has turned off their stereo. > Lets hope this is nothing perminant. From kfornal@verizon.net Wed Sep 01 19:33:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69169 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2004 02:33:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2004 02:33:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out004.verizon.net) (206.46.170.142) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2004 02:33:51 -0000 Received: from Celly ([68.160.182.253]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040902023339.DROQ28868.out004.verizon.net@Celly> for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:33:39 -0500 To: Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 22:34:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c49095$5c2fa650$6701a8c0@Celly> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-reply-to: <001301c49092$ade35bc0$d503fea9@home1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [68.160.182.253] at Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:33:29 -0500 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.46.170.142 From: "Keith Fornal" Subject: RE: {AMSF} 1090 WILD Boston in MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171320327 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy WILD=92s owner Radio One is listed as an investor on the Ibiquity web site = so perhaps they are preparing an HD Radio rollout there. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd [mailto:stodd@mailpobox.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:15 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1090 WILD Boston in MONO If it's not back on in a few days, please give them a call.=A0 That's the o= nly way they'll know there's still a demand for it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Jeff Lehmann" > I just noticed that 1090 WILD in Boston has turned off their stereo. > Lets hope this is nothing perminant. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ =A0=20 =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =A0=20 =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Sep 01 20:17:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97942 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2004 03:17:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2004 03:17:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao07.cox.net) (68.230.241.32) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2004 03:17:01 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040902031655.RVIY4909.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 23:16:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:16:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8D728D92-FC8E-11D8-B78A-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.32 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Forbes Article On NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's not Tinyurl that's asking you to sign up, it's Forbes.com. On Wednesday, September 1, 2004, at 06:30 AM, Bruce Carter wrote: > Could you post the original URL?=A0 the "tiny URL" doesn't work or > wants me to subscribe to something before it lets me see the link.=A0 > the last thing I need is more spam from the tiny URL folks. > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Sundquist" > wrote: > > Here is an interesting article I came across...not directly AM > Stereo > > related, but talks about the FCC and the NAB and their "war" on > the > > satellite services: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/3sgg5 > > > > > > Mark > > Warren,MI > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Sep 01 21:00:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65209 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2004 04:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2004 04:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2004 04:00:04 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.53.110] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:59:57 -0600 Message-ID: <005101c490a1$b2a7eae0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <000a01c49095$5c2fa650$6701a8c0@Celly> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 23:02:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2004 03:59:58.0588 (UTC) FILETIME=[5060EBC0:01C490A1] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1090 WILD Boston in MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I suspected that might be a possibility. But he should still call about the loss of stereo, since it looks like the Canadians may be able to do for us what we haven't been able to do, and that is to stop the IBOC debacle. It will give them a decent fall-back plan. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Fornal" WILD's owner Radio One is listed as an investor on the Ibiquity web site so perhaps they are preparing an HD Radio rollout there. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 01 23:18:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89634 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2004 06:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2004 06:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2004 06:18:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2004 06:18:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 06:18:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005101c490a1$b2a7eae0$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 674 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.3 Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1090 WILD Boston in MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I suspected that might be a possibility. But he should still call > about the loss of stereo, since it looks like the Canadians may be > able to do for us what we haven't been able to do, and that is to > stop the IBOC debacle. It will give them a decent fall-back plan. As of May, they were still calling the station "WILD-AM 1090 Stereo": http://www.bostoncentral.com/activities/calendar/p549.php Hopefully their lack of Stereo is just a temporary glitch. And before WILD even considers IBOC, they have some more useful work to do, such as setting up a web site... http://www.wildam1090.com/ is registered but just gives a useless list of links that go nowhere. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 01 23:39:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7181 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2004 06:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2004 06:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2004 06:39:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2004 06:38:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 06:38:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2252 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.3 Subject: Experimental AM Stereo call signs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is the first I've heard of AM Stereo stations having experimental call signs for their transmissions (prior to FCC approval of AM Stereo in 1982)... if that was the case, then why don't stations like WOR and WSAI have experimental call signs for their IBOC transmissions? This is from http://www.nrcdxas.org/notebook/dxnt6727.html : =================================================================== John Callarman : Who besides me has a QSL from KE2XZG-600, New York? Robert Foxworth : John I think this was WNBC-660 when they tested the Kahn ISB AM stereo mode (not on 600). If it was not AM Stereo, then it was a mode in which they phase- modulated the carrier to carry some Military teletype information. This went on for a few years and was not audible to any AM listener. I think this was done in the early 60's. It was written up in the 1962 issue of the IRE Proceedings (now IEEE). I have a letter QSL from KE2XXS which was the Kahn AM Stereo mode being tested on WGBB-1240 Freeport, LI NY. (heard from north New Jersey) and I think it was in my school days or just after. The most exotic thing I recall hearing was a 400 Hz tone and a 1000 Hz tone at the same time on 1110. Every minute one tone would break and I could hear loudly "WBT Main transmitter, Charlotte, NC" and 30 sec. out of sync, the other weaker tone would break and I could hear, under the loud tone, a faint voice say "WBT satellite, Shelby, NC, testing" Shelby was a repeater in the KFAB null to help reception to the west. I tried like anything to get a "proper" verie for this, all I ever got was an assortment of WBT postcard QSL's with no data, so one day I took one and typed in the details myself!!!! This was an interesting deal. They used chains of vacuum tube divider circuits at the main XR to divide the 1110 carrier all the way down to audio, fed the audio tone over a phone line over to Shelby and multiply it back to RF to feed the satellite xmtr, never had any phase problems that way, I believe. WBZ used to have a WBZA-1030 in Springfield MA. I have a QSL from them that says "51,000 watts". =================================================================== From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 02 00:13:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21628 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2004 07:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2004 07:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2004 07:12:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2004 07:12:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 07:12:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1611 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.241 Subject: Re: Experimental AM Stereo call signs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > This is the first I've heard of AM Stereo stations having > experimental call signs for their transmissions (prior to FCC > approval of AM Stereo in 1982)... if that was the case, then why > don't stations like WOR and WSAI have experimental call signs for > their IBOC transmissions? As far as I know, experimental calls aren't necessary on an already commercially-licensed station. It would make sense for the labs to have their own experimental licenses. > This is from http://www.nrcdxas.org/notebook/dxnt6727.html : > > =================================================================== > > John Callarman : Who besides me has a > QSL from KE2XZG-600, New York? > > Robert Foxworth : John I think this was > WNBC-660 when they tested the Kahn ISB AM stereo mode (not on 600). > If it was not AM Stereo, then it was a mode in which they phase- > modulated the carrier to carry some Military teletype information. > This went on for a few years and was not audible to any AM listener. > I think this was done in the early 60's. It was written up in the > 1962 issue of the IRE Proceedings (now IEEE When the RCA Labs made use of WNBC's facilities to test various AM stereo systems, including the AM/FM system, in the late 1950s and early 1960s (namely QuAM, modified QuAM (more like today's C-QUAM), ISB and FM-modulated AM), they referred to their transmissions under the calls "WRCA". I'll have to check to see if they did use a KE2X* experimental call. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From mark_608@hotmail.com Thu Sep 02 05:54:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66480 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2004 12:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2004 12:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.78) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2004 12:54:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:54:07 -0700 Received: from 136.1.1.154 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:54:07 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 08:54:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2004 12:54:07.0778 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF2F3820:01C490EB] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.78 From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: [136.1.1.154] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Forbes Article On NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 Interesting...when I found this the other day it let me view the article without signing up for anything, but today it forced me to create a user ID and password for the Forbes site. This is the original URL: http://www.forbes.com/home/forbes/2004/0906/134.html Not super long, but I have grown to like using the short URLs generated by TinyURL. Amy is absolutely correct...nothing nefarious about TinyURL..all it does is allow the use of shorter URLs so that they don't wrap to the next line and force you to cut and paste to make it work. Mark >From: "Bruce Carter" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: Forbes Article On NAB >Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:30:27 -0000 > >Could you post the original URL? the "tiny URL" doesn't work or >wants me to subscribe to something before it lets me see the link. >the last thing I need is more spam from the tiny URL folks. > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Sundquist" > wrote: > > Here is an interesting article I came across...not directly AM >Stereo > > related, but talks about the FCC and the NAB and their "war" on >the > > satellite services: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/3sgg5 > > > > > > Mark > > Warren,MI > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu Sep 02 08:22:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44620 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2004 15:22:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2004 15:22:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.202.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2004 15:22:31 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004090215220701200buim2e>; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:22:07 +0000 To: Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:22:11 -0400 Message-ID: <003801c49100$a14026a0$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.56 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} 1090 WILD Boston in MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Good News! The stereo is back on today on WILD. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 2:18 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1090 WILD Boston in MONO > I suspected that might be a possibility. But he should still call > about the loss of stereo, since it looks like the Canadians may be > able to do for us what we haven't been able to do, and that is to > stop the IBOC debacle. It will give them a decent fall-back plan. As of May, they were still calling the station "WILD-AM 1090 Stereo": http://www.bostoncentral.com/activities/calendar/p549.php Hopefully their lack of Stereo is just a temporary glitch. And before WILD even considers IBOC, they have some more useful work to do, such as setting up a web site... http://www.wildam1090.com/ is registered but just gives a useless list of links that go nowhere. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu Sep 02 11:23:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43486 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2004 18:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2004 18:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2004 18:23:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:23:26 -0700 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:23:26 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:23:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2004 18:23:26.0924 (UTC) FILETIME=[F08DA0C0:01C49119] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.40 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: Grundig Yacht Boy 400 radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane I realize this is off-topic, however, the Radio Shack here in Niles, MI, is clearing out the Grundig Yacht Boy 400 radios for under $120. This store is a Radio Shack dealer, but I suspect the entire chain is selling out these radios at a discount. Doing a quick look on the internet, this retails as much as $200. Paul Crane _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Sep 02 14:23:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3107 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2004 21:23:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2004 21:23:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2004 21:23:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20040902212352.81573.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.122] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:23:52 PDT Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:23:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Grundig Yacht Boy 400 radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Paul Crane wrote: > I realize this is off-topic, however, the Radio > Shack here in Niles, MI, is > clearing out the Grundig Yacht Boy 400 radios for > under $120. This store is > a Radio Shack dealer, but I suspect the entire chain > is selling out these > radios at a discount. Doing a quick look on the > internet, this retails as > much as $200. > Paul Crane $149 is the customary price. Quality control is poor on this model. Mine has never been right. I should have gotten them to replace it under warranty. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Sep 02 15:01:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87755 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2004 22:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2004 22:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2004 22:01:33 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.178.240]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:07:31 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c49138$5cf56a40$f0b20642@4bmx301> To: References: <20040902212352.81573.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:01:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Grundig Yacht Boy 400 radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit GruntPig started their slide down hill a long time ago. Their slipshod QC is legendary. The last radio I got which I still like was the Portugese YB500. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 5:23 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Grundig Yacht Boy 400 radios $149 is the customary price. Quality control is poor on this model. Mine has never been right. I should have gotten them to replace it under warranty. Powell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Fri Sep 03 02:01:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37589 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2004 09:01:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2004 09:01:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2004 09:01:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 02:01:02 -0700 Received: from 68.77.110.98 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 09:01:02 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 05:01:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2004 09:01:02.0947 (UTC) FILETIME=[89FD1B30:01C49194] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.50 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.77.110.98] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Grundig Yacht Boy 400 radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Sounds like mine is an exception -- it works fine. I got it at a local pawn shop in almost new condition for less than $100 several years ago. I no longer take it on the road as I have other radios with more features that I use. Mine is on the nightstand next to my bed as I use the countdown timer while I drift off into la-la land. Paul Crane >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Grundig Yacht Boy 400 radios >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:01:12 -0400 > >GruntPig started their slide down hill a long time ago. Their slipshod QC >is legendary. The last radio I got which I still like was the Portugese >YB500. >Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 5:23 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Grundig Yacht Boy 400 radios > > > $149 is the customary price. Quality control is poor > on this model. Mine has never been right. I should > have gotten them to replace it under warranty. > > > > Powell > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Fri Sep 03 12:28:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62099 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2004 19:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2004 19:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2004 19:28:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2004 19:28:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 19:28:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 475 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Grundig Yacht Boy 400 radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << Sounds like mine is an exception -- it works fine. >> I like mine, too. The only problem I've had is that the plastic piece that holds the FM antenna onto the unit has broken. I don't use it much for FM listening, so I haven't gotten it fixed. I think I'll have to order an entire front or back outer case for the unit. My other AM/SW/FM portable is a Uniden CR-2021 from the mid-80's. It has a tuning capaciter for the internal ferrite antenna... kind of nice. From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Sep 03 13:02:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55236 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2004 20:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2004 20:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2004 20:02:50 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.22.249] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:02:27 -0600 Message-ID: <001701c491f1$545021a0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <003801c49100$a14026a0$6400a8c0@AMD> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:05:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2004 20:02:28.0659 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0843030:01C491F0] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1090 WILD Boston in MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Let 'em know you noticed. :) That way they'll know it's worth keeping. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lehmann" > Good News! > > The stereo is back on today on WILD. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Sep 03 14:34:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86998 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2004 21:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2004 21:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41203.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2004 21:34:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20040903213418.85655.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 14:34:18 PDT Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:34:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1094219402.2282.14976.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.36 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1309 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My yacht boy pe400 I got on ebay was very second hand looking.paid just over $80 US for mine but it works perfect and had it nearly a year now and use it quite a lot as it will get US AM signals that most radios cant from N.Z including the powerful XERF 1570 most nights these days.and way better than the crappy sangean. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: There are 5 messages in this issue. Message: 3 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:23:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Subject: Re: Grundig Yacht Boy 400 radios --- Paul Crane wrote: > I realize this is off-topic, however, the Radio > Shack here in Niles, $149 is the customary price. Quality control is poor on this model. Mine has never been right. I should have gotten them to replace it under warranty. Powell Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Sep 03 16:37:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99808 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2004 23:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2004 23:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.185) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2004 23:37:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:34:32 -0700 Received: from 24.94.108.163 by bay12-dav11.bay12.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 23:34:32 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20040902212352.81573.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c49138$5cf56a40$f0b20642@4bmx301> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:28:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2004 23:34:32.0512 (UTC) FILETIME=[90861400:01C4920E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.185 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.108.163] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Grundig Yacht Boy 400 radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Chris Cuff wrote: > GruntPig started their slide down hill a long time ago. Their slipshod QC is legendary. While it is true the first batch of YB-400s were dogs, I am VERY happy with the YB-400PE I got from Radio Shack last year. It is one of the best portable short wave radio I have ever owned. It is FAR better than the Sangean radios I have had, and lightyears ahead of the South African made Free Play radio I wasted money on! Yea, the YB-400PE is no Sony ICF-2010, but it is also 1/4 the price! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Sep 03 18:27:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56533 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2004 01:27:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2004 01:27:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2004 01:27:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20040904012753.22265.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.86] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 18:27:53 PDT Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:27:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Grundig Yacht Boy 400 radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Chris Cuff wrote: > > GruntPig started their slide down hill a long time > ago. Their slipshod QC > is legendary. > > While it is true the first batch of YB-400s were > dogs, I am VERY happy with > the YB-400PE I got from Radio Shack last year. It is > one of the best > portable short wave radio I have ever owned. It is > FAR better than the > Sangean radios I have had, and lightyears ahead of > the South African made > Free Play radio I wasted money on! Yea, the YB-400PE > is no Sony ICF-2010, > but it is also 1/4 the price! That said, the YB-400 is almost equal to the ATS 505. It's not remotely as good as the ATS-909. As a note the Satelit 800 is now discontinued. The E1 will be the replacement or whatever they will call it. Powell > Kevin in Tampa > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. > From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response > than FM. - Leonard Kahn > ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 03 23:31:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56540 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2004 06:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2004 06:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2004 06:31:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2004 06:31:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 06:31:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001701c491f1$545021a0$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 319 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.241 Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1090 WILD Boston in MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Let 'em know you noticed. :) That way they'll know it's worth keeping. Remember, they won't know any other way, since the ratings books never ask. Most AMS stations just have no clue to the extent AMS radios are out there. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 03 23:33:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64886 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2004 06:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2004 06:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2004 06:33:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.61] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2004 06:32:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 06:32:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040903213418.85655.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 462 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.241 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1309 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > My yacht boy pe400 I got on ebay was very second hand looking.paid just over $80 US for mine but it works perfect and had it nearly a year now and use it quite a lot as it will get US AM signals that most radios cant from N.Z including the powerful XERF 1570 most nights these days.and way better than the crappy sangean. That would be interesting to hear. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Sep 04 15:02:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58298 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2004 22:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2004 22:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41201.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.34) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2004 22:02:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20040904220247.59231.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 15:02:47 PDT Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 15:02:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1094304683.422.87838.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.34 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1310 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes the Sangean will record but its MW AM is gutless as. I have got various signals at times but it seems to be better near Xmas when its dark in the northern hempisphere and the long twilights at Xmas(Stops Australia(mostly Sydney and Brisbane) dominating the frequencies which do after night across there) plus more anticyclones over N.Z get some interesting AM reception away from the 14 local AMs we have broadcasting in Auckland. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: Message: 7 Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 06:32:38 -0000 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Digest Number 1309 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > My yacht boy pe400 I got on ebay was very second hand looking.paid just over $80 US for mine but it works perfect and had it nearly a year now and use it quite a lot as it will get US AM signals that most radios cant from N.Z including the powerful XERF 1570 most nights these days.and way better than the crappy sangean. That would be interesting to hear. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Sep 04 19:14:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43964 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2004 02:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2004 02:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51607.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.212) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2004 02:14:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20040905021429.97632.qmail@web51607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.85.4] by web51607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 19:14:29 PDT Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 19:14:29 -0700 (PDT) To: radio-tech@broadcast.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.212 From: "Kevin T." Subject: AM IBOC will be made unnecessary by FM IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics There has been much publicity about FM IBOC's proposed "Secondary Audio Channel" (SAC) capability, which will allow an FM IBOC station to divide its digital bitstream amongst multiple audio channels. And after some thinking, it is my conclusion that if approved and fully implemented, FM IBOC's SAC will render AM IBOC unnecessary. How? Well, think about it... in today's era of consolidation, many (if not _most_) AM stations are co-owned with one or several FM stations. Even regardless of ownership, there are usually more FM stations in any given market than AM stations. And in most metropolitan areas, the FM stations generally have more consistent local coverage than the AM's, especially at night. So maybe you can see where I'm going with this... it doesn't take too much imagination to think of a scheme in which an AM station transmits its IBOC signal as the Secondary Audio Channel of a co-owned and/or co-located FM station. That would give the AM station the same IBOC bitrate as if it were transmitting AM IBOC, except over a more stable and consistent FM signal -- providing better digital coverage, while leaving the existing analog AM signal alone, free from all the problems and limitations associated with AM IBOC. Take the New York City market, for example. Some of this AM-IBOC-on-FM scheme would be obvious -- 820 WNYC would transmit its IBOC signal as the SAC of 93.9 WNYC-FM, for example. And with only a little station- juggling, the scheme for the entire market could be assembled. First, the co-owned station groupings: 660 WFAN -> 92.3 WXRK (Infinity) 770 WABC -> 95.5 WPLJ (ABC) 820 WNYC -> 93.9 WNYC-FM (Non-com.) 880 WCBS -> 101.1 WCBS-FM (Infinity) 1010 WINS -> 102.7 WNEW (Infinity) 1190 WLIB -> 107.5 WBLS (Inner City) 1280 WADO -> 105.9 WCAA (Univision) 1560 WQEW -> 96.3 WQXR (NY Times) And next the non-co-owned groupings (some of which are based on historical AM/FM co-ownerships). The one exception is 1050 WEPN, since ABC owns two AM stations in NYC but only one FM station, leaving WEPN to find another company's FM signal to transmit its SAC on: 570 WMCA -> 97.1 WQHT (Salem/Emmis) 620 WSNR -> 97.9 WSKQ (Rose City/SBS) 710 WOR -> 98.7 WRKS (Buckley/Emmis) 930 WPAT -> 93.1 WPAT-FM (Multicultural/SBS) 970 WWDJ -> 100.3 WHTZ (Salem/Clear Channel) 1050 WEPN -> 105.1 WWPR-FM (ABC/Clear Channel) 1130 WWBR -> 101.9 WQCD (Bloomberg/Emmis) 1330 WWRV -> 103.5 WKTU (Multicultural/Clear Channel) 1430 WNSW -> 104.3 WAXQ (Multicultural/Clear Channel) 1480 WZRC -> 99.5 WBAI (Multicultural/Pacifica) 1600 WWRL -> 105.1 WWPR-FM (Access.1/Clear Channel) 1660 WWRU -> 106.7 WLTW (Multicultural/Clear Channel) This market works out nicely because there are 19 AM stations which put a local-quality signal over downtown Manhattan, and there are 19 full-power FM stations above 91.9 MHz which transmit from downtown Manhattan. This does not include full-power 91.5 WNYE, which could be assigned to 1050 WEPN in the event that the FM stations which are not co-owned with any in-market AM stations prefer not to be associated with AM stations which _are_ co-owned with in-market FM stations, in order to avoid "competition". The bottom line is that AM _can_ migrate to a new band, without the need to allocate new spectrum, simply by making use of Secondary Audio Channels on existing in-market FM stations. The only penalty is that the FM stations cannot use their full digital bandwidth for their own programming; however, that would be mitigated by improvements to hybrid FM IBOC and/or an eventual transition to full-digital FM IBOC. Meanwhile, the AM band would be maintained as a "legacy" analog-only service, where in the long run, AM stations would be retained for as long as they remain economically viable, while the non-viable stations would be shut down at the owner's discretion. This would achieve a "natural" de-cluttering of the AM band, as opposed to Canada's scheme of forced migration to FM. This transition would be even more seamless if each FM IBOC Secondary Audio Channel would identify itself with the "legacy" frequency of the AM station whose audio it is carrying. For example, if a listener punches in "880 kHz" on their IBOC car radio, the tuner would first tune in 880 kHz AM, just as always -- but in the background, the radio would quickly scan the FM dial to see if any FM IBOC stations are carrying an SAC which itdentifies itself as belonging to "880 kHz". If one is found, and is of receivable quality, the radio would then begin playing the "AM-on-FM" SAC digital audio. And if the FM IBOC reception drops out, the radio would blend back to the analog AM channel, just like a current IBOC receiver. This way, the listener would never even know which FM station is carrying the "AM-on-FM" digital signal; it would only ever be known by the "legacy" AM frequency. I.e., WCBS listeners would never have to know that 880 WCBS carries its digital signal on 101.1 FM; all they would continue to know the station by is "880 AM". __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Sep 04 19:24:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34327 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2004 02:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2004 02:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2004 02:24:35 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040905022434011006904ne>; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 02:24:34 +0000 To: Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:24:54 -0400 Message-ID: <009901c492ef$8b0dc130$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20040905021429.97632.qmail@web51607.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.55 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM IBOC will be made unnecessary by FM IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn FM IBOC will still be a disaster. In areas where there's class B signals on adjacent frequencies, 50 miles or so apart, there would be real problems. There will also be problems along the Canadian border. I'm a FM DXer, and IBOC is already making things pretty bad here in Boston. FM IBOC IS BAD TOO!!! Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:14 PM To: radio-tech@broadcast.net; amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} AM IBOC will be made unnecessary by FM IBOC There has been much publicity about FM IBOC's proposed "Secondary Audio Channel" (SAC) capability, which will allow an FM IBOC station to divide its digital bitstream amongst multiple audio channels. And after some thinking, it is my conclusion that if approved and fully implemented, FM IBOC's SAC will render AM IBOC unnecessary. How? Well, think about it... in today's era of consolidation, many (if not _most_) AM stations are co-owned with one or several FM stations. Even regardless of ownership, there are usually more FM stations in any given market than AM stations. And in most metropolitan areas, the FM stations generally have more consistent local coverage than the AM's, especially at night. So maybe you can see where I'm going with this... it doesn't take too much imagination to think of a scheme in which an AM station transmits its IBOC signal as the Secondary Audio Channel of a co-owned and/or co-located FM station. That would give the AM station the same IBOC bitrate as if it were transmitting AM IBOC, except over a more stable and consistent FM signal -- providing better digital coverage, while leaving the existing analog AM signal alone, free from all the problems and limitations associated with AM IBOC. Take the New York City market, for example. Some of this AM-IBOC-on-FM scheme would be obvious -- 820 WNYC would transmit its IBOC signal as the SAC of 93.9 WNYC-FM, for example. And with only a little station- juggling, the scheme for the entire market could be assembled. First, the co-owned station groupings: 660 WFAN -> 92.3 WXRK (Infinity) 770 WABC -> 95.5 WPLJ (ABC) 820 WNYC -> 93.9 WNYC-FM (Non-com.) 880 WCBS -> 101.1 WCBS-FM (Infinity) 1010 WINS -> 102.7 WNEW (Infinity) 1190 WLIB -> 107.5 WBLS (Inner City) 1280 WADO -> 105.9 WCAA (Univision) 1560 WQEW -> 96.3 WQXR (NY Times) And next the non-co-owned groupings (some of which are based on historical AM/FM co-ownerships). The one exception is 1050 WEPN, since ABC owns two AM stations in NYC but only one FM station, leaving WEPN to find another company's FM signal to transmit its SAC on: 570 WMCA -> 97.1 WQHT (Salem/Emmis) 620 WSNR -> 97.9 WSKQ (Rose City/SBS) 710 WOR -> 98.7 WRKS (Buckley/Emmis) 930 WPAT -> 93.1 WPAT-FM (Multicultural/SBS) 970 WWDJ -> 100.3 WHTZ (Salem/Clear Channel) 1050 WEPN -> 105.1 WWPR-FM (ABC/Clear Channel) 1130 WWBR -> 101.9 WQCD (Bloomberg/Emmis) 1330 WWRV -> 103.5 WKTU (Multicultural/Clear Channel) 1430 WNSW -> 104.3 WAXQ (Multicultural/Clear Channel) 1480 WZRC -> 99.5 WBAI (Multicultural/Pacifica) 1600 WWRL -> 105.1 WWPR-FM (Access.1/Clear Channel) 1660 WWRU -> 106.7 WLTW (Multicultural/Clear Channel) This market works out nicely because there are 19 AM stations which put a local-quality signal over downtown Manhattan, and there are 19 full-power FM stations above 91.9 MHz which transmit from downtown Manhattan. This does not include full-power 91.5 WNYE, which could be assigned to 1050 WEPN in the event that the FM stations which are not co-owned with any in-market AM stations prefer not to be associated with AM stations which _are_ co-owned with in-market FM stations, in order to avoid "competition". The bottom line is that AM _can_ migrate to a new band, without the need to allocate new spectrum, simply by making use of Secondary Audio Channels on existing in-market FM stations. The only penalty is that the FM stations cannot use their full digital bandwidth for their own programming; however, that would be mitigated by improvements to hybrid FM IBOC and/or an eventual transition to full-digital FM IBOC. Meanwhile, the AM band would be maintained as a "legacy" analog-only service, where in the long run, AM stations would be retained for as long as they remain economically viable, while the non-viable stations would be shut down at the owner's discretion. This would achieve a "natural" de-cluttering of the AM band, as opposed to Canada's scheme of forced migration to FM. This transition would be even more seamless if each FM IBOC Secondary Audio Channel would identify itself with the "legacy" frequency of the AM station whose audio it is carrying. For example, if a listener punches in "880 kHz" on their IBOC car radio, the tuner would first tune in 880 kHz AM, just as always -- but in the background, the radio would quickly scan the FM dial to see if any FM IBOC stations are carrying an SAC which itdentifies itself as belonging to "880 kHz". If one is found, and is of receivable quality, the radio would then begin playing the "AM-on-FM" SAC digital audio. And if the FM IBOC reception drops out, the radio would blend back to the analog AM channel, just like a current IBOC receiver. This way, the listener would never even know which FM station is carrying the "AM-on-FM" digital signal; it would only ever be known by the "legacy" AM frequency. I.e., WCBS listeners would never have to know that 880 WCBS carries its digital signal on 101.1 FM; all they would continue to know the station by is "880 AM". __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 04 19:44:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85714 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2004 02:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2004 02:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2004 02:44:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2004 02:44:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 02:44:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040905021429.97632.qmail@web51607.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 232 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.92 Subject: Re: AM IBOC will be made unnecessary by FM IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie SAC would actually function as the IBOC equivalent of SCA audio and data services. Since, for many stations, SCA is an important revenue stream, it won't bring about the mi9gration of AM IBOC to FM anytime soon. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jeffdeck@aol.com Mon Sep 06 01:44:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63950 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 08:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2004 08:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 08:44:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2004 08:44:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 08:44:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1495 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.209.143.11 Subject: Re: 12 volts battery for a car radio... {AMSF} Digest Number 1298 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 >All the regulation does is provide a constant output voltage, >regardless of how much load is placed on the power supply (snip) >Hum reduction is based on how much filtering capacitance the power >supply has. This is easy to improve -- just stick on a larger >filter capacitor; the more uF, the better. 4700 uF is good, while >10,000 uF is much better. This is not entirely true. Linear voltage regulation can be so fast that it actually reduces the AC power supply ripple hum to very negligible levels, that any filter capacitor alone simply cannot accomplish. There are mathematical engineering calculations that prove that a simple zener diode voltage regulator with 1000 uFd filter capacitance will produce ripple voltage hum equivalent to a full wave bridge power supply alone with 14,000 uFd total filter capacitance. Also, filter capacitor values are rated based upon the current load of the device. Simply placing additional capacitance on the output of the diode rectifiers does not entirely reduce the ripple voltage. This voltage is reduced through very fast regulation (defined as how quickly the circuit can adjust the output voltage in relation to the current load placed upon it). Switching and linear voltage regulators should not be used for audio amplifier circuits. Voltage is too stiffly regulated, which does impact the audio reproduction. 73, Jeff Deck For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit http://meduci.com From jeffdeck@aol.com Mon Sep 06 02:41:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38569 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 09:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2004 09:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 09:41:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2004 09:41:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 09:41:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1114 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.209.143.11 Subject: Re: Stereo - No Pilot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 >In FM, the 19kHz pilot acts as the AM carrier for the 38kHz dual- >sideband, suppressed-carrier L-R signal, being the audio is at the >pilot's first harmonic. Actually, the 19 kHz pilot tone is frequency modulated, and is not pre-emphasized. It is never amplitude modulated. And not to confuse matters, the stereo L-R subcarrier is centered at 38 kHz, begins as a double sideband suppressed (DSB) amplitude modulated (AM) carrier inside the stereo encoder, and then is frequency modulated as part of the composite frequency spectrum. In the receiver or tuner, the reverse takes place: the frequency modulated carrier is detected using conventional means, and then the 19 kHz pilot tone actually is used as a phase reference to properly decode the AM DSB suppressed carrier. This has similarities to shortwave listening of lower or upper sideband frequencies, except that the shortwave receiver internally provides the "pilot tone" to phase lock the AM DSB suppressed carrier. This reference tone is not transmitted. 73, Jeff Deck For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit http://meduci.com From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Mon Sep 06 05:54:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28725 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 12:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2004 12:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.173) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 12:54:23 -0000 Received: from user-5651.l3.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.76.86.19] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C4J0m-0001DB-JH for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 13:54:20 +0100 Message-ID: <63NuMeHt2FPBFwSg@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:53:01 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1094473717.2475.29065.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1094473717.2475.29065.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.195.173 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: Stereo seperation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Jeff, Checked out those nice tuners on your site. However I have a question. Is the 23dB stereo separation figure the norm for AMS? I was led to believe that AMS had superior separation to that of FMS. How do these sets compare to the current Fanfare's other than being a whole deal less expensive. I do like the fanfare. Thanks. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From jeffdeck@aol.com Mon Sep 06 06:46:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40426 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 13:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2004 13:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 13:45:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2004 13:45:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 13:45:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <63NuMeHt2FPBFwSg@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1221 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.209.143.11 Subject: Re: Stereo seperation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Phil, You write: >Is the 23dB stereo separation figure the norm for AMS? I was led >to believe that AMS had superior separation to that of FMS. With my Panasonic AM stereo generator, I cannot measure anything wider than 23dB; that is the limit of the generator. Under "real world" conditions, the AM stereo separation should be wider, so this 23 dB is a minimum stated figure. >How do these sets compare to the current Fanfare's other than >being a whole deal less expensive. I do like the fanfare. For the AMAX feature, I am using a Motorola IC chip especially designed for decoding AMAX. This was originally designed for Delco. Switchable I.F bandwidth is included for either wide or narrow audio response, to optimize the listening experience under varying reception conditions. Integrated within this chip are the noise blankers as well as the dual operational amplifiers for the external 10 kHz notch filter components. I never owned or evaluated any Fanfare tuner, though heard that they use a Motorola MC13022 chip for the AM stereo decoder. I have heard good things about the Fanfare AMAX tuner. 73, Jeff Deck For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit http://meduci.com From tomray@wor710.com Mon Sep 06 10:40:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76015 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 17:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2004 17:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 17:39:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2004 17:39:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 17:39:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040905021429.97632.qmail@web51607.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 324 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: AM IBOC will be made unnecessary by FM IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Nice in theory, Kevin, but as much as I like and respect Jim McGivern and crew at Emmis, there is no way in hell I would allow our signal to be handled by another entity. And that is most likely going to be the feeling of most broadcasters. You don't go from homeowner to apartment dweller.....doesn't work. Tom Ray WOR From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Sep 06 14:10:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39136 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 21:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2004 21:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-out.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 21:10:25 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by smtp-out.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B38A27502A for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:10:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E2210AB169 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040906165935.01c61e50@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 17:12:57 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.51 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Okay this is just based on me listening to WPEN during the format change and airchecking it... 1. Why does the analog signal sound so degraded, as if the freq, response is severely cut? Even dad has noticed it on his Chrysler 2001 Town And Country. 2. Why is there an under-lieing hiss underneath the analog carrier, and sidebands of the channel have a horrible hiss? 3. Wouldn't this both effect AM/FM in areas of the country where New York and Philly for example only two K between the overlapping signals? 4. How will this mess effect Toms River, NJ? 5. Is there a definite cut-off date that the FCC has set where by all analog transmissions will be turned off? 6. How will IBOC effect nabering countrys such as Canada and Mexico? 7. Will Am skywave and IBOC effect our DX friends in countries miles and miles away at all? 8. Are the few IBOC stations that are broadcasting on AM such as WOR and WPEN broadcasting in IBOC AM Stereo? OR is there even such a thing? 9. How will AM IBOC do under conditions like we have here in Bensalem? The analog signal has Los of interference due to bridges and electrical wiring. Will it fix that? 10. How good is the freq response on AM? Does traditional analog or digital IBOC have a higher response? 11. What will happen to all of those radios that are in use today? We won't be getting new cars and I certainly won't be upgrading to anything IBOC unless I have too. Even the last receiver I baught is not an IBOC one. Though I just use the Yamaha T-85 as my tuner. 12. Is there a placed where I can hear WPEN's digital's transmission? Its a format where I know some of the music so it is something I feel I might be able to judge.? Thanks, John From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 06 15:08:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2137 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 22:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2004 22:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52401.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.109) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 22:08:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20040906220811.44425.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.91] by web52401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 15:08:11 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:08:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040906165935.01c61e50@pop.GameBox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.109 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- John Holcomb II wrote: > Okay this is just based on me listening to WPEN > during the format change and airchecking it... > 1. Why does the analog signal sound so degraded, as > if the freq, response is severely cut? Because they are running IBOC and it's hybrid mode and the analog component is as you said...severely cut. > Even dad has noticed it on his Chrysler 2001 Town > And Country. > 2. Why is there an under-lieing hiss underneath the > analog carrier, and sidebands of the channel have a > horrible hiss? That's the digital component. > 3. Wouldn't this both effect AM/FM in areas of the > country where New York and Philly for example only > two K between the overlapping signals? Yes for both the AM and FM when IBOC is running, but according to the NAB you have no business listening to a station out of your local area ! > 4. How will this mess effect Toms River, NJ? A mess? > 5. Is there a definite cut-off date that the FCC > has set where by all analog transmissions will be > turned off? Not YET, but there WILL be; there HAS to be for IBOC to succeed. > 6. How will IBOC effect nabering countrys such as > Canada and Mexico? Of course. Skywave interference does not magically stop at borders. > 7. Will Am skywave and IBOC effect our DX friends in > countries miles and miles away at all? DXing? Of course that has to be made illegal ... ]:) > 8. Are the few IBOC stations that are broadcasting > on AM such as WOR and WPEN broadcasting in IBOC AM > Stereo? OR is there even such a thing? Yes, they can be. > 9. How will AM IBOC do under conditions like we have > here in Bensalem? The analog signal has Los of > interference due to bridges and electrical wiring. > Will it fix that? IF the interference is not enough to disrupt the digital signal you'll hear a clear signal, otherwise in hybrid mode it will eventually drop back to analog. In an all digital world you'll get silence. > 10. How good is the freq response on AM? Does > traditional analog or digital IBOC have a higher > response? Um post or pre NRSC? > 11. What will happen to all of those radios that are > in use today? We won't be getting new cars and I > certainly won't be upgrading to anything IBOC > unless I have too. Even the last receiver I baught > is not an IBOC one. Do you know what a door stop is? > Though I just use the Yamaha T-85 as my tuner. > 12. Is there a placed where I can hear WPEN's > digital's transmission? Its a format where I know > some of the music so it is something I feel I might > be able to judge.? Ask Tom Ray or Kerry to drive down in their IBOC equipped vehicle..... ]:) > Thanks, > John Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Sep 06 15:22:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42579 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 22:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2004 22:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-out.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 22:22:25 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by smtp-out.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C1F5610B9D0D for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:21:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6458063CC for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:21:53 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040906181416.03174e30@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 18:24:34 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040906220811.44425.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040906165935.01c61e50@pop.GameBox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.71 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Hi Powell, More of that was a sarcastic response then answers to my questions... What is the difference in post and NRSC? And what does door stops have to do with anything? I take it you don't like IBOC at all no matter how it is prevented. I'm willing to give it a chance at least. You have to have an open mind when it comes to these things. Who am I to say that it isn't better? I think that there just may be a way to DX IBOC. Just because someone hasn't come up with how just yet, or what weather conditions effect signals does not mean that it can't be done. The few things that I worry about are: signal dropping out Other countries such as Canada and Mexico All the analog receivers that are out, including mine that is brand new. Would this not cause a public outrage? I e wonder what will happen when the mandated Analog TV transmitions are turned off? They still cell analog TV sets so will there be a public outcry? I could see this happening with IBOC if it is mandated that all stations in the US will sease broadcasting analog signals at some point. There are more radios out there then TV's. Radio has been around at least twenty years longer then TV has been. And I would not expect someone to drive from NYC to Bensalem so I could hear it. There becomes a point when you ask too much of people.  John From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Sep 06 15:26:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 433 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 22:26:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2004 22:26:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-out.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.61) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 22:26:39 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by smtp-out.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 39333806664 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:26:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 671411A012E for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:26:30 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040906182626.0317de00@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 18:29:14 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.61 From: John Holcomb II Subject: IBOC and Toms River X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Hi all, Toms River, New Jersey is an area where you get a mixtures of signals. Between Atlantic City/ocean County/NYC/Philly/Trenton, there is a mixture of analog signals that are overlapping. I am just wondering if all stations had both analog and IBOC broadcasting at the same time, how would this area be able to receive anything in the analog or IBOC mode? If signals just drop out when they don't in code anymore, then an area like that might not get any station at all? Curiously, John From mrcomment@yahoo.com Mon Sep 06 15:34:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11112 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 22:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2004 22:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 22:34:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2004 22:33:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 22:33:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2214 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "mrcomment" X-Originating-IP: 64.169.90.108 Subject: Re: AM IBOC will be made unnecessary by FM IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338 X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > Nice in theory, Kevin, but as much as I like and respect Jim McGivern > and crew at Emmis, there is no way in hell I would allow our signal to > be handled by another entity. > > And that is most likely going to be the feeling of most broadcasters. > You don't go from homeowner to apartment dweller.....doesn't work. > > Tom Ray > WOR Media companies are no longer tied to the transmission method. Does HBO own the cable company? Do any Internet media companies own the DSL lines? Will the future media companies own the cellphone networks? Fundamentally, radio is about selling airtime through supposedly compelling content. Most radio executives simply don't care how the content is delivered -- by radio waves or fairy dust -- as long as it reaches enough people. With digital transmission and a guaranteed number of bits, the quality is largely under the control of the source provider anyway. It would simply be a question of economics to justify the cost of renting the bits. How many people have SAC-capable receivers, what is the coverage of the host-signal, etc. That said, a station group owner is more likely to generate or purchase their own SAC content instead of hosting a potential competitor. It is simply a matter of time before all FM's can offer multiple program channels, and in some cases, more than one. From a technology perspective, an FM signal can host six, yes I said six, AM- IBOC equivalent signals. Don't believe me? You're going to see it within 6 months. There is the potential for fundamental change in the radio marketplace, but it will take some time because of slow receiver replacement. I expect groups which own combo AM/FM's in markets will simulcast to start because the number of SAC-capable radios will be small. If I owned only an AM station in a market, I'd already be talking to potential FM partners now. AM radio will simply not be viable as a standalone medium. It isn't now, and it won't be any different with IBOC. In fact, much to the dismay of AM-only owners, instead of bringing parity, IBOC will further exaggerate the advantage of FM. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 06 15:47:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53648 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 22:47:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2004 22:47:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 22:47:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2004 22:47:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 22:47:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 426 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.137 Subject: Re: AM IBOC will be made unnecessary by FM IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Nice in theory, Kevin, but as much as I like and respect Jim > McGivern and crew at Emmis, there is no way in hell I would allow > our signal to be handled by another entity. Well, there is a simple solution to that: Communism. Place all radio transmission facilities entirely under government control, and then the government can arrange use of these facilities as they see fit. That way, everyone will be happy. :-) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 06 15:53:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71704 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 22:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2004 22:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 22:53:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2004 22:53:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 22:53:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 151 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.137 Subject: Schematics Vault X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Tons o'schematics here, including some transmitters and other radio- related circuits: http://www.pcs-electronics.com/en/guide.php?sub=NewSchematics From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 06 15:57:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74737 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 22:57:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2004 22:57:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 22:57:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20040906225702.76625.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.91] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 15:57:02 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:57:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040906181416.03174e30@pop.GameBox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- John Holcomb II wrote: > Hi Powell, > More of that was a sarcastic response then answers > to my questions... Not really, and I am realllly sleepy so I guess there was a few typos that didn' make sense. > What is the difference in post and NRSC? EEK should have been pre NRSC. The NRSC bandwidth limitiation of 10K and none prior. Can't spell or type. > And what does door stops have to do with anything? That's what your analog radio becomes when the analog is turned off. > I take it you don't like IBOC at all no matter how > it is prevented. Hybrid mode is a disaster. Even some of your local stations can and will lose a lot of local coverage, and especially at night. > I'm willing to give it a chance at least. You have > to have an open mind when it comes to these things. > Who am I to say that it isn't better? A MUCH higher data rate and MUCH higher robustness when it comes to pass is what I'd like.... NO hybrid mode. > I think that there just may be a way to DX IBOC. If the signal is strong enough you'll hear if fine otherwise nothing (or muffled analog in hybrid mode) > Just because someone hasn't come up with how just > yet, or what weather conditions effect signals does > not mean that it can't be done. Real DX will be a thing of the past. > The few things that I worry about are: > signal dropping out If the signal to noise ratio is not there it will. > Other countries such as Canada and Mexico Canada has made its opinion that it violates treaties. Mexico and Cuba have so far not said anything. > All the analog receivers that are out, including > mine that is brand new. > Would this not cause a public outrage? Ahem, just wait a year until the analog TV is gone! > I e wonder what will happen when the mandated Analog > TV transmitions are turned off? Welllll..... > They still cell analog TV sets so will there be a > public outcry? They'll tell you to get a converter box. > I could see this happening with IBOC if it is > mandated that all stations in the US will sease > broadcasting analog signals at some point. But if they don't do a "drop dead" date the digital will fail. > There are more radios out there then TV's. Radio has > been around at least twenty years longer then TV has > been. > And I would not expect someone to drive from NYC to > Bensalem so I could hear it. There becomes a point > when you ask too much of people.  > John THAT was a bit of humor, the rest was not. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 06 16:03:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1485 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 23:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2004 23:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 23:03:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20040906230306.65462.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.91] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:03:06 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:03:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040906182626.0317de00@pop.GameBox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC and Toms River X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- John Holcomb II wrote: > Hi all, > Toms River, New Jersey is an area where you get a > mixtures of signals. > Between Atlantic City/ocean > County/NYC/Philly/Trenton, there is a mixture of > analog signals that are overlapping. > I am just wondering if all stations had both analog > and IBOC broadcasting at the same time, how would > this area be able to receive anything in the analog > or IBOC mode? Probably would be a hissfest on the analog. Remember the digital part is on the *2* adjacents either side of the main carrier. > If signals just drop out when they don't in code > anymore, then an area like that might not get any > station at all? > Curiously, > John IF you have no hybrid mode, and that's some (undecided) time away it drops out, otherwise it eventually goes back to a restricted analog. And I wasn't being funny when the NAB states that you don't have a right to be listening to stations out of your market. That's the pitch they are using to can night time skywave protections and for the hybrid mode which ACTUALLY operates on OTHER stations frequencies. I live 5.8 miles from downtown Columbia and in a world of full IBOC hybrid mode, I may have one or 2 stations I could hear at night. In analog they would be barely listenable if at all. For digital mode ah, 2 maybe 1, which my bet would be WVOC on 560 at about 4 air miles. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 06 16:05:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27238 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 23:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2004 23:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 23:05:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20040906230547.51812.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.91] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:05:47 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:05:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM IBOC will be made unnecessary by FM IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > Well, there is a simple solution to that: Communism. > Place all radio transmission facilities entirely > under government > control, and then the government can arrange use of > these facilities > as they see fit. > That way, everyone will be happy. :-) FOAM! I think I just ruined this white T-shirt drinking SunDrop Cherry Lemon. I foamed it out of my mouth and nose. OWWW! Foaming soda HURTS ! LOL! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 06 16:07:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73404 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 23:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2004 23:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 23:07:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20040906230742.40216.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.91] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:07:42 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:07:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040906230306.65462.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC and Toms River X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > I live 5.8 miles from downtown Columbia and in a > world > of full IBOC hybrid mode, I may have one or 2 > stations > I could hear at night. In analog they would be > barely > listenable if at all. For digital mode ah, 2 maybe > 1, > which my bet would be WVOC on 560 at about 4 air > miles. > I forgot to add that most likely WLAC at 450 miles will decode at night some of the time as their signal sometimes exceeds ANY other night signal, and sometimes some of the daytime groundwave signals. WSAI part of the time will. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Sep 06 17:30:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90879 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2004 00:30:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2004 00:30:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2004 00:30:54 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-251-151-248.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.251.151.248]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i870UpYt026358 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 18:30:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001e01c49471$efe3b730$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <20040906230742.40216.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:30:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC and Toms River X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > I forgot to add that most likely WLAC at 450 miles > will decode at night some of the time as their signal > sometimes exceeds ANY other night signal, and > sometimes some of the daytime groundwave signals. > > WSAI part of the time will. I don't know where you are Powell, buch is pretty much the case when I live in South Central Indiana. WLW (I'm 70 miles west of their stick in Mason, OH) is by far the loudest here. You'd think WHAS would come in 2nd because I'm also 70 miles from their stick but they are not a good night-time catch here. Must be groundwave/skywave cancellation but even during the day, WLW is twice as strong. Ground conductivity? The second most powerful station on the dial is WLAC. We are in a good area for their northern lobe and most of the time they boom into here. WSAI is fair day and night but none of the Indianapolis station have a decent nighttime signal here. WIBC drops to 10kw at night and they send it al to the southeast (they come in better in downtown Cincinnati than they do 20 miles to the northwest) and the local AM is a daytimer so AM is pretty much a wasteland at night around here. Since they've allocated night-time stations on the other former 'clear channels', even the Chicago guns are water-pistols these days. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 06 18:51:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52797 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2004 01:51:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2004 01:51:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2004 01:51:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2004 01:51:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 01:51:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040906225702.76625.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 659 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.137 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > > I take it you don't like IBOC at all no matter how > > it is prevented. > > Hybrid mode is a disaster. Even some of your local > stations can and will lose a lot of local coverage, > and especially at night. I bet skywave/groundwave cancellation will kill it. That's probably why the nighttime tests on WTOP resulted in drop-outs to analog mode less than 10 miles from the transmitter site. If you're on the wrong site of a directional array on a station near the top of the AM band, you can hear how fluttery and distorted the signal gets at night, due to skywave/groundwave cancellation. IBOC is not going to fare well in these conditions. From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 06 20:30:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10655 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2004 03:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2004 03:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52409.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.117) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2004 03:30:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20040907033017.90134.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.65] by web52409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 20:30:17 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:30:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.117 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > > I take it you don't like IBOC at all no matter > how > > > it is prevented. > > > > Hybrid mode is a disaster. Even some of your local > > stations can and will lose a lot of local > coverage, > > and especially at night. > I bet skywave/groundwave cancellation will kill it. > That's probably > why the nighttime tests on WTOP resulted in > drop-outs to analog mode > less than 10 miles from the transmitter site. If > you're on the wrong > site of a directional array on a station near the > top of the AM band, > you can hear how fluttery and distorted the signal > gets at night, due > to skywave/groundwave cancellation. IBOC is not > going to fare well > in these conditions. Well IF you have a decent receiver with synchronous detection, that problem is strongly mitigated. On WBT sometimes the selective fades make the signal at night ( 90 miles so NAB, slap me for listening...) unusable. But if I cut in the sync detector on the Sony ICF 2010 *VOILA!* no more problems listening. Using strong DSP in addition to the IBOC chip could make this decent. But the Kenwood radio does not have this on MW sooooooo........ Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 06 20:32:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32056 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2004 03:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2004 03:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2004 03:32:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20040907033241.13039.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.65] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 20:32:41 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:32:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001e01c49471$efe3b730$6501a8c0@jimspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC and Toms River X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jim Burgan wrote: > > I forgot to add that most likely WLAC at 450 miles > > will decode at night some of the time as their > signal > > sometimes exceeds ANY other night signal, and > > sometimes some of the daytime groundwave signals. > > > > WSAI part of the time will. > > I don't know where you are Powell, buch is pretty > much the case when I live > in South Central Indiana. Columbia SC > WLW (I'm 70 miles west of their stick in Mason, OH) > is by far the loudest > here. You'd think WHAS would come in 2nd because > I'm also 70 miles from > their stick but they are not a good night-time catch > here. Must be > groundwave/skywave cancellation but even during the > day, WLW is twice as > strong. Ground conductivity? A better antenna and even lower dial position. > The second most powerful station on the dial is > WLAC. We are in a good area > for their northern lobe and most of the time they > boom into here. WSAI is > fair day and night but none of the Indianapolis > station have a decent > nighttime signal here. None are that powerful, and even WIBC is DA days WIBC drops to 10kw at night > and they send it al to > the southeast (they come in better in downtown > Cincinnati than they do 20 > miles to the northwest) and the local AM is a > daytimer so AM is pretty much > a wasteland at night around here. WIBC is very strong, but often not listenable due to 1070 being a high powered mess here. > Since they've allocated night-time stations on the > other former 'clear > channels', even the Chicago guns are water-pistols > these days. Indeed. And the NAB wants to make it worse. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 07 01:45:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46560 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2004 08:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2004 08:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51610.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.215) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2004 08:45:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20040907084540.28275.qmail@web51610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.71.137] by web51610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 01:45:40 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 01:45:40 -0700 (PDT) To: radio-tech@broadcast.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.215 From: "Kevin T." Subject: AM skywave: an acceptable sacrifice? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Many IBOC supporters hold the belief that the benefits IBOC provides to local AM signals outweighs its consequence of rendering nighttime skywave reception impossible or severely degraded. Now, that may be true in areas where there are numerous local AM signals to choose from, such as big cities like New York and Chicago which are home to multiple 50,000-watt AM stations. But what about other parts of the country, where the AM band offers only a handful of listenable local stations at night, or even none at all? Take, for example, Morgantown, West Virginia. Morgantown is home to only two AM stations, one of which drops down to a meager 44 watts at night. Besides these two in-town stations, there are only five other AM stations with listenable groundwave signals at night, only one of which has a signal strength greater than 1.5 mV/m. That is pretty sparse, indeed. But what about the skywave AM signals that roll in every night in Morgantown? Using MW Database Viewer, I compiled a list of skywave signals which are likely to be listenable in Morgantown, WV at night. The numbers listed for each station are the 50% and 10% skywave field strength values (in mV/m); any Class A station with a 50% skywave strength of at least 0.50 mV/m is considered to be within that station's protected skywave service area, and is marked with an asterisk (*). For completeness, the local-area nighttime groundwave signals mentioned above are included in this list as well. Nighttime AM signals in Morgantown, West Virigina ------------------------------------------------- (all signals are skywave unless otherwise indicated) Freq Call City of License 50%/10% mV/m Distance to TX (*=protect.) ==== ==== ===================== =============== =========================== 540 WWCS Canonsburg, PA ~1.5 groundwave 47 mi /\/\/\/ 590 WMBS Uniontown, PA ~5.0 groundwave 20 mi /\/\/\/ 650 WSM Nashville, TN 0.70/1.70 449 mi * 660 WFAN New York, NY 0.89/2.32 337 mi * 670 WSCR Chicago, IL 0.57/1.50 453 mi * 680 WPTF Raleigh, NC 0.59/1.44 273 mi 690 CINF Montreal, QU 0.20/0.54 510 mi 700 WLW Cincinnati, OH 1.05/2.68 233 mi * 710 WOR New York, NY 1.20/3.13 320 mi * 720 WGN Chicago, IL 0.59/1.56 452 mi * 730 740 CHWO Toronto, ON 0.89/2.38 273 mi * 750 WSB Atlanta, GA 0.67/1.61 465 mi * 760 WJR Detroit, MI 0.99/2.62 244 mi * 770 WABC New York, NY 0.86/2.25 323 mi * 780 WBBM Chicago, IL 0.60/1.56 452 mi * 790 WNIS Norfolk, VA 0.37/0.93 266 mi 800 CKLW Windsor, ON 1.13/2.97 231 mi * 810 WGY Schenectady, NY 0.69/1.84 379 mi * 820 830 WCCO Minneapolis, MN 0.22/0.61 781 mi 840 WHAS Louisville, KY 0.95/2.38 308 mi * 850 WRMR Cleveland, OH 0.41/1.06 149 mi 860 CJBC Toronto, ON 0.88/2.35 273 mi * 870 WWL New Orleans, LA 0.45/1.03 888 mi 880 WCBS New York, NY 0.87/2.27 337 mi * 890 WLS Chicago, IL 0.62/1.63 434 mi * 900 CHML Hamilton, ON 0.45/1.19 256 mi 910 920 WMMN Fairmont, WV ~1.0 groundwave 17 mi 930 940 CINW Montreal, QU 0.40/1.10 520 mi 950 960 WFIR Roanoke, VA 0.93/2.31 164 mi 970 WBGG Pittsburgh, PA 0.36/0.92 61 mi 980 WTEM Washington, DC 0.50/1.27 167 mi 990 1000 WMVP Chicago, IL 0.94/2.47 446 mi * 1010 CFRB Toronto, ON 0.32/0.84 269 mi 1020 KDKA Pittsburg, PA ~1.5 groundwave 64 mi * 1030 WBZ Boston, MA 0.77/2.04 508 mi * 1040 WHO Des Moines, IA 0.36/0.93 714 mi 1050 WEPN New York, NY 0.19/0.50 322 mi 1060 KYW Philadelphia, PA 1.08/2.79 252 mi * 1070 CHOK vs. WIBC 1080 WTIC Hartford, CT 0.30/0.80 403 mi 1090 1100 WTAM Cleveland, OH 0.97/2.52 143 mi * 1110 WBT Charlotte, NC 1.15/2.79 315 mi * 1120 KMOX St. Louis, MO 0.51/1.28 543 mi * 1130 1140 WRVA Richmond, VA 1.93/4.82 210 mi * 1150 WCUE Cuyahoga Falls, OH 0.24/0.63 136 mi 1160 WYLL Chicago, IL 0.34/0.88 445 mi 1170 WWVA Wheeling, WV ~1.5 groundwave 58 mi * 1180 WHAM Rochester, NY 0.97/2.58 265 mi * 1190 WOWO Fort Wayne, IN 0.32/0.82 299 mi 1200 1210 WPHT Philadelphia, PA 1.02/2.63 266 mi * 1220 WHK Cleveland, OH 2.44/6.37 147 mi /\/\/\/ 1300 WCLG Morgantown, WV groundwave (local) /\/\/\/ 1440 WAJR Morgantown, WV groundwave (local) /\/\/\/ 1500 WTOP Washington, DC 0.21/0.53 161 mi 1510 WLAC Nashville, TN 0.14/0.34 436 mi 1520 WWKB Buffalo, NY 0.65/1.72 225 mi * 1530 WSAI Cincinnati, OH 1.19/3.04 251 mi * 1540 CHIN vs. KXEL 1550 CBE Windsor, ON 0.44/1.17 236 mi 1560 WQEW New York, NY 0.45/1.18 328 mi As you can see, that's quite a list. And considering their equally strong skywave signals, I can only wonder if either 700 WLW or 710 WOR were listenable in Morgantown during their simultaneous test of nighttime IBOC -- or did they obliterate each other's signals with digital sideband noise? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From brucec@mindspring.com Tue Sep 07 10:05:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77398 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2004 17:05:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2004 17:05:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2004 17:05:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2004 17:05:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 17:05:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040907084540.28275.qmail@web51610.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3049 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: AM skywave: an acceptable sacrifice? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I have noted this city-centric attitude on the part of many IBOC proponents. I think all of rural America is in for a long, protracted battle to reclaim the AM band from this foolishness, as it seems that everybody from Ibiquity to the NAB to the FCC is determined to cram this down our throats. Eventually, we know that the technical problems you are noting will be evident to all, and by 20 years from now IBOC radios will be doorstops. And there will be fan sites dedicated to a few dozen stations still hanging onto IBOC, much the way they do to AM stereo now. I would make your views known to the FCC, and get as many other people as possible to write in and complain. Frankly - the FCC doesn't give a ____ about interference issues. They haven't for decades. I used to complain about a Spanish language station on 1150 in Midland that slopped over onto 1190. Calls to 1150 were pointless - they would pretend they didn't speak English while snickering in the backgroud. Calls to the FCC resulted in no action. Only once has the FCC acted on an interference complaint that I submitted, when the city of Lubbock failed to replace a defective transformer on the power lines that was putting RF interference all over local stations. I don't see why they even bother going after pirates - if they don't care that licensed stations are broadcasting slop all over the sidebands of distant stations as it is. IBOC is not the first type of digital interference. AM stations that have a digital signal chain are broadcasting digital hash on adjacent frequencies as it is. The FCC has done nothing about it - neither will they do anything about IBOC trash all over the band. Unless they receive millions of complaints from rural America, then they cannot ignore the problem. They no longer could ignore that bogus atheist petition when it swamped them, and it will take similar volumes of interference complaints to stop IBOC. I always said "if it ain't broke don't fix it" - and analog broadcasting works just fine the way it is. Except that there are too many stations on the air. NTSC television - yes - that was broken from the moment they added color to it. Something had to be done. But radio? No matter how you digitize it, it will end up analog going into your ears. The symphony chip set and AMAX were good fixes that needed to become FCC regulations. But it never happened because the agency is full of political appointees, not engineers, who only serve the best interests of the large radio corporations, not listeners. I would like to see the whole agency scrapped and replaced by one that did what the FRC did years ago - fight interference. Our best hope may be international complaints. Canada, Mexico, and Cuba may be just the start. From what I hear, the interference is so bad it may show up around the globe and jam AM for everybody, including nations where it is a channel of government propaganda. I don't think those nations will take jamming lightly! From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Sep 07 10:10:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31085 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2004 17:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2004 17:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52403.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.111) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2004 17:10:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20040907171045.20693.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.126] by web52403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 10:10:45 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:10:45 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040907084540.28275.qmail@web51610.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.111 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM skywave: an acceptable sacrifice? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > Many IBOC supporters hold the belief that the > benefits IBOC provides to > local AM signals outweighs its consequence of > rendering nighttime skywave > reception impossible or severely degraded. The NAB and Ibiquity believe thisssssss. It also reduces competion. On FM it wipes out the rim shots. > Now, that may be true in areas where there are > numerous local AM signals to > choose from, such as big cities like New York and > Chicago which are home to > multiple 50,000-watt AM stations. And with full bore IBOC in hybrid mode, it's also going to erode MOST of the secondary groundwave, and in some cases substantial primary groundwave coverage. WLAC is an example. The hiss didn't obliterate the signal, but 95% listeners will turn off the station. > But what about other parts of the country, where the > AM band offers only a > handful of listenable local stations at night, or > even none at all? The NAB's "stealth" position is it doesn't matter. When the smaller NAB members finally wake up and realize THEY don't count it will be too late. > Take, > for example, Morgantown, West Virginia. Morgantown > is home to only two AM > stations, one of which drops down to a meager 44 > watts at night. Besides > these two in-town stations, there are only five > other AM stations with > listenable groundwave signals at night, only one of > which has a signal > strength greater than 1.5 mV/m. But it's a small town, and according to the "powers that be" it's too bad. > That is pretty sparse, indeed. But what about the > skywave AM signals that > roll in every night in Morgantown? Yeah, and if you listen to them, the NAB will send someone over to smack your tuning hand with a ruler, and then you'll have to write 50,000,000,000 on the blackboard "I will not listen to skywave!" > Using MW > Database Viewer, I compiled a > list of skywave signals which are likely to be > listenable in Morgantown, WV > at night. The numbers listed for each station are > the 50% and 10% skywave > field strength values (in mV/m); any Class A station > with a 50% skywave > strength of at least 0.50 mV/m is considered to be > within that station's > protected skywave service area, and is marked with > an asterisk (*). Just remember when "everyone" is running hybrid mode it may take 10 mV/m and maybe 20 to have a chance to get over a digital signal squatting on YOUR frequency, and in some case it might be as much as 30 mV/m. Look up the NIF of graveyarders.....(!!) Where I am WLAC often puts in MOST nights more than 5 mV/m. There was one morning at 5 AM when I got ready to leave for Newberry, the "meter" on the DX-398 was pegged and turning the RF gain ALLLL the way down had no effect. I'm guessing that was somewhere between 40 and 50 mV/m because even when WVOC or WISW is non da, and I can't remember which one gives me 30 something ( measured with a FIM) it didn't do THAT! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 07 10:54:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81422 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2004 17:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2004 17:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2004 17:54:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2004 17:54:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 17:54:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 655 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.92 Subject: IBOC = MAD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Yes, mutually-assured destruction. It does analog broadcasting and reception no good. It does digital broadcasting and reception no good. It does radio no good whatsoever, so that leaves the question: WHY??? The only thing I can think of is to push expensive, useless equipment on everybody for the sake of making money, and nothing else. What makes this even worse is a system that impossible to make redress through. Unless something drastic happens, it looks like all of America is s*** out of luck, and who the f*** cares about the rest of the world! What is there left to do? Is there any hope? I deeply have my doubts. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 07 11:02:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99912 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2004 18:02:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2004 18:02:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2004 18:02:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2004 18:00:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 18:00:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 439 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.92 Subject: FM SCA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Before IBOC makes even FM useless, I wanted to ask: Anyone here ever listen to FM SCA broadcasts? Probably not many of you. Anyhoo, there's this guy on eBay selling SCA-capable AM/FM radios for $30, switchable between 67kHz and 92kHz SCA channels. I just ordered one, so I should get it Friday. http://stores.ebay.com/radiosca_W0QQsspagenameZl2QQtZkm It seems he has good feedback, so these should be decent enough. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Tue Sep 07 11:05:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28774 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2004 18:05:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2004 18:05:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.184) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2004 18:05:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:05:21 -0700 Received: from 69.34.95.246 by bay22-dav4.bay22.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 18:05:21 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:05:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2004 18:05:21.0361 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D929C10:01C49505] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.184 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [69.34.95.246] Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC = MAD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd One side benefit to NAB and the FCC is the Patented Nature and Ugradeability of the IBOC system will pretty much put pirate stations out of business. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:54 PM Subject: {AMSF} IBOC = MAD > Yes, mutually-assured destruction. > > It does analog broadcasting and reception no good. > It does digital broadcasting and reception no good. > > It does radio no good whatsoever, so that leaves the question: WHY??? > > The only thing I can think of is to push expensive, useless equipment > on everybody for the sake of making money, and nothing else. > > What makes this even worse is a system that impossible to make > redress through. > > Unless something drastic happens, it looks like all of America is > s*** out of luck, and who the f*** cares about the rest of the world! > > What is there left to do? Is there any hope? > > I deeply have my doubts. :( > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Sep 07 15:01:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77301 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2004 22:01:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2004 22:01:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2004 22:01:30 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.185.3]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:07:42 -0400 Message-ID: <002001c49526$2fd99120$03b90642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:01:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: SRF42 capacitor? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Kevin- which cap do you crush to get the FM on the SRF42 to not blend into mush? I thought it was in the files or photo section, but I cant find it.. cc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Sep 07 15:24:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30006 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2004 22:24:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2004 22:24:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2004 22:24:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20040907222422.86282.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.79] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 15:24:22 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:24:22 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC = MAD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > One side benefit to NAB and the FCC is the Patented > Nature and Ugradeability > of the IBOC system will pretty much put pirate > stations out of business. > > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis It's software driven. Just wait. Someone will steal or hack the system. I just wonder WHEN the first IBOC pirate will occur, not IF! {pwe;; ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 07 19:23:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38692 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2004 02:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2004 02:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2004 02:23:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2004 02:23:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 02:23:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002001c49526$2fd99120$03b90642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 197 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.27 Subject: Re: SRF42 capacitor? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Hey Kevin- which cap do you crush to get the FM on the SRF42 to not > blend into mush? I thought it was in the files or photo section, > but I cant find it.. > cc C14, on the left side of JR4. From tomray@wor710.com Wed Sep 08 09:22:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52309 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2004 16:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2004 16:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2004 16:22:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2004 16:21:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 16:21:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040906165935.01c61e50@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3265 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > Okay this is just based on me listening to WPEN during the format change and airchecking it... > 1. Why does the analog signal sound so degraded, as if the freq, response is severely cut? > Even dad has noticed it on his Chrysler 2001 Town And Country. The IBOC spec calls for an analog audio bandwidth of 5kHz. Having bandwidth any higher interferes with the IBOC carriers. Your dad has one of the few wideband AM car radios out there, which is why he has noticed. > 2. Why is there an under-lieing hiss underneath the analog carrier, and sidebands of the channel have a horrible hiss? The hiss you are hearing are the actual IBOC sidebands. Think of IBOC as a modem on the air....this is the modem signal. > 3. Wouldn't this both effect AM/FM in areas of the country where New York and Philly for example only two K between the overlapping signals? It's possible, and still to be seen. > 4. How will this mess effect Toms River, NJ? You shouldn't notice much of a difference there. > 5. Is there a definite cut-off date that the FCC has set where by all analog transmissions will be turned off? No. > 6. How will IBOC effect nabering countrys such as Canada and Mexico? My understanding is that Mexico is in the process of readying for IBOC transmission, along with many countries in South America. Canada, at that point, won't have a choice. > 7. Will Am skywave and IBOC effect our DX friends in countries miles and miles away at all? Yes. Unfortunately, the DX hobby will most likely become a thing of the past. > 8. Are the few IBOC stations that are broadcasting on AM such as WOR and WPEN broadcasting in IBOC AM Stereo? OR is there even such a thing? IBOC is a stereo signal. WEPN is transmitting in stereo. WOR will have stereo on the air shortly....our plant was built mono. > 9. How will AM IBOC do under conditions like we have here in Bensalem? The analog signal has Los of interference due to bridges and electrical wiring. Will it fix that? It should. I drive around listening to WOR's IBOC signal, and all that goes away....especially impressive driving around Manhattan. > 10. How good is the freq response on AM? Does traditional analog or digital IBOC have a higher response? Traditional analog is limited to 10kHz by FCC mandate. AM IBOC is good to 15kHz. > 11. What will happen to all of those radios that are in use today? We won't be getting new cars and I certainly won't be upgrading to anything IBOC unless I have too. Even the last receiver I baught is not an IBOC one. Your analog radio will work just fine. The FCC has not set a cut off date as of this point in time. If they do, then your radio will need to be replaced. > 12. Is there a placed where I can hear WPEN's digital's transmission? Its a format where I know some of the music so it is something I feel I might be able to judge.? You could try calling WPEN's Chief Engineer. Or, look for a Kenwood dealer around your area and ask if they have the Kenwood HD radios yet, and if you can hear one. I, unfortunately, don't get down to Philly much...I'd offer you a drive around if I'm headed that way. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Wed Sep 08 09:23:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38965 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2004 16:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2004 16:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2004 16:23:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2004 16:23:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 16:23:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2688 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: AM IBOC will be made unnecessary by FM IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Media companies like HBO aren't radio stations that, for the most part, have traditionally owned their own transmitters and were responsible for the transmission of their own signal. The politics would get in the way, and that simply wouldn't happen with radio in most markets. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "mrcomment" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > Nice in theory, Kevin, but as much as I like and respect Jim > McGivern > > and crew at Emmis, there is no way in hell I would allow our signal > to > > be handled by another entity. > > > > And that is most likely going to be the feeling of most > broadcasters. > > You don't go from homeowner to apartment dweller.....doesn't work. > > > > Tom Ray > > WOR > > Media companies are no longer tied to the transmission method. Does > HBO own the cable company? Do any Internet media companies own the > DSL lines? Will the future media companies own the cellphone > networks? Fundamentally, radio is about selling airtime through > supposedly compelling content. Most radio executives simply don't > care how the content is delivered -- by radio waves or fairy dust -- > as long as it reaches enough people. With digital transmission and a > guaranteed number of bits, the quality is largely under the control > of the source provider anyway. It would simply be a question of > economics to justify the cost of renting the bits. How many people > have SAC-capable receivers, what is the coverage of the host- signal, > etc. > > That said, a station group owner is more likely to generate or > purchase their own SAC content instead of hosting a potential > competitor. It is simply a matter of time before all FM's can offer > multiple program channels, and in some cases, more than one. From a > technology perspective, an FM signal can host six, yes I said six, AM- > IBOC equivalent signals. Don't believe me? You're going to see it > within 6 months. There is the potential for fundamental change in > the radio marketplace, but it will take some time because of slow > receiver replacement. > > I expect groups which own combo AM/FM's in markets will simulcast to > start because the number of SAC-capable radios will be small. If I > owned only an AM station in a market, I'd already be talking to > potential FM partners now. AM radio will simply not be viable as a > standalone medium. It isn't now, and it won't be any different with > IBOC. In fact, much to the dismay of AM-only owners, instead of > bringing parity, IBOC will further exaggerate the advantage of FM. From tomray@wor710.com Wed Sep 08 09:24:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38104 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2004 16:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2004 16:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2004 16:24:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2004 16:23:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 16:23:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 581 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: AM IBOC will be made unnecessary by FM IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Isn't that the purpose of the FCC??? :) Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Nice in theory, Kevin, but as much as I like and respect Jim > > McGivern and crew at Emmis, there is no way in hell I would allow > > our signal to be handled by another entity. > > Well, there is a simple solution to that: Communism. > > Place all radio transmission facilities entirely under government > control, and then the government can arrange use of these facilities > as they see fit. > > That way, everyone will be happy. :-) From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Wed Sep 08 10:39:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68094 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2004 17:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2004 17:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-out.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2004 17:39:42 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by smtp-out.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5FA4E7F5D81 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from john-0au9diqzp3.GameBox.net (pcp04986811pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.227]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3838C1A0170 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040908133102.02a65498@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:42:14 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040906165935.01c61e50@pop.GameBox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 38.113.3.61 From: John Holcomb II Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II >wrote: > 4. How will this mess effect Toms River, NJ? > >You shouldn't notice much of a difference there. maybe not exactly Toms River area, but the area such as central Jersey where you get a micture of signals. I am just thinking if everyone went IBOC all at once, and still kept the analog component, places like Central Jersey would be a mess. Parts of that area you get 95.7 WMWX and 95.5 WPLJ... Well if both of them went IBOC and remained analog at once, couldn't that be a mess? Think about it, 95.5 WPLJ's upper sideband signal would be on 95.7, and WMWX 95.7 signal would be on WPLJ's analog carrier. Then of corse you have the problem of the upper sideband of 95.7's IBOC signal being on 95.9 WRAT's analog signal. And then would both 101.1 WBEB's and 101.1 WCBS's lower IBOC signal go on to 100.9? Then you have the problem of 100.7 WLEV's and 100.7 WZXL's IBOC upper signal being on 100.9, along with the lower sidebands of both WCBS and WBEB. Would the receiver be Abel to decode all of that if you are in overlapping areas? Sounds like an analog mess to me. This is what I'm saying, would this not be a problem and how does the FCC plan to address that? Thanks for all of your answers. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Sep 08 11:08:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54347 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2004 18:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2004 18:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2004 18:08:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2004 18:06:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 18:06:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 8964 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I fell that Tom's response reflects the opinions of an ardent IBOC advocate, and not necessarily the interests of rural America. So with all due respect, I thought I would make a few comments expressing an alternate point of view. > > Okay this is just based on me listening to WPEN during the format > change and airchecking it... > > 1. Why does the analog signal sound so degraded, as if the freq, > response is severely cut? > > Even dad has noticed it on his Chrysler 2001 Town And Country. > > The IBOC spec calls for an analog audio bandwidth of 5kHz. Having > bandwidth any higher interferes with the IBOC carriers. Your dad has > one of the few wideband AM car radios out there, which is why he has > noticed. This statement is correct as it relates to car radios only. The statement does not apply to home radios. Virtually all inexpensive home radios sold today are broadband analog - as a result of cost cutting. Their IF stage consists of a single, very inexpensive 455 kHz ceramic filter. Cymbals crash, trinagles ding out of 1 and two inch speakers and in headphones. Many of them are so broadband, in fact, that it is easy to hear stations 30, 40, and 50 kHz away crosstalking. Every one of these inexpensive, wide band radios will have noticably softer audio when tuned to a hybrid mode IBOC radio. What is worse, they will pick up the digital sideband hiss and superimpose it onto the analog audio. > > 3. Wouldn't this both effect AM/FM in areas of the country where > New York and Philly for example only two K between the overlapping > signals? > > It's possible, and still to be seen. Its 20 k --- by the way. It is more than just possible, it is inevitable. WSAI 1530 Cincinnati digital sidebands have been documented by several listeners to interfere with reception of WLAC 1510 Nashville, even in the Northern suburbs of Nashville. It is almost a given that this will preclude conversion to digital of all AM stations, particularly those crowded close together in urban areas, because the digital sidebands will interfere with each other, making digital impossible to decode and making the analog audio impossible to hear. For IBOC to work, only AM stations separated by much more than 20 k from their neighbors will be able to convert. There is a full digital mode for IBOC - it remains to be seen how bad adjacent channel interference will be in full digital mode. It is possible that much of the sideband interference will be alleviated, closer spacing will be possible, and skywave reception may be restored to some degree. > > 6. How will IBOC effect nabering countrys such as Canada and Mexico? > > My understanding is that Mexico is in the process of readying for > IBOC transmission, along with many countries in South America. > Canada, at that point, won't have a choice. Mexico is already violating license requirements on a massive scale for unknown reasons. They do not care what interference they cause to the United States now, so they won't care about IBOC interference. Canada has little to benefit from IBOC, as most of its population is concentrated within 100 miles of the border and it has a much larger rural indigious population percentage than the United States. I doubt they will just let the matter drop. > > 7. Will Am skywave and IBOC effect our DX friends in countries > miles and miles away at all? > > Yes. Unfortunately, the DX hobby will most likely become a thing of > the past. This is typical of IBOC advocates in large cities. They start by called DX a hobby to marginalize it. They assume local groundwave service exists in all areas of the country (and Canada). Skywave reception is extremely important to rural indiginous people in Canada as their only source of news and information, as it is in much of the rural Western areas of the United States and Alaska. These people may not consider themselves DX'ers when they listen to a station 50, 100, or 200 miles away. But when that is the only "local" service to them, they will indeed notice a difference when IBOC hash apppears instead of their station. To glibly say as some IBOC advocates do that these people are served by FM, satellite, and internet makes assumptions that may not be true. Proximity to FM stations is a bad assumption, because there are vast regions even in the United States that are not served by even a single FM station. Satellite radio assumes a certain economic level, and satellite has NO local content except for traffic in large metropolitan area. Internet assumes a level of technological expertise that may not exist. I doubt an Inuit village on the artic circle has even dial up Internet access - much less do indiginous people own computers even if Internet was available. There may be umpteen million people being served in metropolitan areas, but does that give them the right to jam the nighttime weather forecasts for rural Alaska thousands of miles away? I was taught that one man's freedom ended where another man's freedom began. Not that the rich and powerful can trample the rights of the poor and powerless. If somebody in Alaska dies because they couldn't hear the weather forecast from a station 150 miles away, I just hope that the 15 kHz stereo digital audio on a commercial in Seattle brought a bit more income to the advertiser. We need to seriously re-evaluate priorities here. > > 8. Are the few IBOC stations that are broadcasting on AM such as > WOR and WPEN broadcasting in IBOC AM Stereo? OR is there even such a > thing? > > IBOC is a stereo signal. WEPN is transmitting in stereo. WOR will > have stereo on the air shortly....our plant was built mono. WOR's format is talk. What possible benefit is there to broadcast in stereo? I tried left channel / right channel mikes on the air at WAPN. It was annoying to listeners so we went back to mono on the mikes. > > 9. How will AM IBOC do under conditions like we have here in > Bensalem? The analog signal has Los of interference due to bridges > and electrical wiring. Will it fix that? > > It should. I drive around listening to WOR's IBOC signal, and all > that goes away....especially impressive driving around Manhattan. This is a benefit of IBOC, and one I think everybody is looking forward to. The thing that concerns me is the effect at dropout. I am talking about local stations in what follows, not "DX". Right now, if I approach a power line, I can hear it coming and drop the volume on the radio before the interference gets severe. With digital, the transition to analog will be abrupt. It will go from perfect to VERY loud in an instant. That will be very distracting while driving. The analog audio may be bandwidth and amplitude limited, but the powerline is definitely not. It will be much louder than the digital, and the transition will be very abrupt. > 11. date as of this point in time. If they do, then your radio will need > to be replaced. Just wait until analog TV shuts down. There will be such a volume of loud, angry complaints that the FCC has never had to deal with before. It will make the bogus Madeline Murray OHair petition seem trivial by comparison. Most people are uninformed lemmings that have no idea their TV's are about to become obsolete. They are going to turn on their football games with a sixpack, and find snow. And they are going to get mad, loud, and potentially violent. The political fallout is going to be massive - and the FCC will bear the brunt of it. Eventually, all those analog TV's will have $20 adapter boxes from Walmart - Walmart and the Chinese make a fortune, and the controversy will die down. But obsoleting radios? After the furor that is going to happen over TV? People are going to be a little more vigilent about this nonsense and put a stop to any osolescence of radios before it rears its ugly head. > > 12. Is there a placed where I can hear WPEN's digital's > transmission? Its a format where I know some of the music so it is > something I feel I might be able to judge.? > > You could try calling WPEN's Chief Engineer. Or, look for a Kenwood > dealer around your area and ask if they have the Kenwood HD radios > yet, and if you can hear one. These things will be priced too high. People will get XM or Sirius in their cars instead of HD radio because there are no commercials. People will not pay for higher priced models in Walmart - they will sit on the shelf and join AM stereo radios in the garbage dump. Consumers don't care. The difference isn't that great on FM, and the increasing interference on the AM band will make people think that "digital radio" is inferior - they won't have a clue that they need new radios, and the AM band will be in very real jeopardy of being more obsolete and irrelevant than it is now. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Sep 08 12:18:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5456 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2004 19:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2004 19:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2004 19:18:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20040908191831.1576.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.93] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:18:31 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:18:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040908133102.02a65498@pop.GameBox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- John Holcomb II wrote: > I am just thinking if everyone went IBOC all at > once, and still kept the analog component, places > like Central Jersey would be a mess. > Parts of that area you get 95.7 WMWX and 95.5 > WPLJ... > Well if both of them went IBOC and remained analog > at once, couldn't that be a mess? > Think about it, > 95.5 WPLJ's upper sideband signal would be on 95.7, > and WMWX 95.7 signal would be on WPLJ's analog > carrier. > Then of corse you have the problem of the upper > sideband of 95.7's IBOC signal being on 95.9 WRAT's > analog signal. > And then would both 101.1 WBEB's and 101.1 WCBS's > lower IBOC signal go on to 100.9? > Then you have the problem of 100.7 WLEV's and 100.7 > WZXL's IBOC upper signal being on 100.9, along with > the lower sidebands of both WCBS and WBEB. Would the > receiver be Abel to decode all of that if you are in > overlapping areas? > Sounds like an analog mess to me. Indeed it will be. The NAB and Ibiquity have chosen to turn their back on this. The NAB line is that you really have no right (or have no business ) listening to stations out of your market. That's why they think the trade off of ALL skywave [ and it will get rid of a lot of secondary and some primary groundwave ] coverage is acceptable. It also greatly lessens competition. > This is what I'm saying, would this not be a > problem and how does the FCC plan to address that? > Thanks for all of your answers. > John Seriously, the FCC will bury their head in the sand as they will be told to. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Sep 08 12:39:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92740 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2004 19:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2004 19:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41211.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2004 19:39:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20040908193913.45988.qmail@web41211.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41211.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:39:13 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:39:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1094653002.1419.71670.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.44 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1314 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whats SCA???? Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: There are 8 messages in this issue. Message: 4 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 18:00:22 -0000 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: FM SCA Before IBOC makes even FM useless, I wanted to ask: Anyone here ever listen to FM SCA broadcasts? Probably not many of you. Anyhoo, there's this guy on eBay selling SCA-capable AM/FM radios for $30, switchable between 67kHz and 92kHz SCA channels. I just ordered one, so I should get it Friday. Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 08 13:06:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95304 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2004 20:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2004 20:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2004 20:06:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2004 20:05:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:05:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040908193913.45988.qmail@web41211.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 662 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.9 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1314 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Whats SCA???? It goes by different names in many countries, but it is used throughout the world. It is a way to broadcast secondary content on a subcarrier of the main FM stereo broadcast, but does not normally interfere with the main broadcast. Three subcarriers are commonly used, globally- 57kHz for RDS/RBDS data, 67kHz and 92kHz for audio services, like reading for the blind, ethnic community radio, relays of AM broadcasts (such as being used as an STL), and so forth. If you have 10 FM stations, you could have access to up to 30 audio programs. Amy. <:3 )~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Sep 08 13:22:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56691 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2004 20:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2004 20:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2004 20:22:10 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.163]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.302.0) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 16:28:14 -0400 Message-ID: <003701c495e1$73976b60$a3b50642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 16:21:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: SCA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't heard anything on SCA for years- but that reminds me- is Muzak still in business?? Also- does anyone know what they use in Kmart and Walmart for their in store "radio" you hear over the pa system? Is this a tape system, or satellite? CC ----- Original Message ----- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From 100kw@psmith.us Wed Sep 08 14:44:58 2004 Return-Path: <100kw@psmith.us> X-Sender: 100kw@psmith.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88143 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2004 21:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2004 21:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2004 21:44:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2004 21:44:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 21:43:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003701c495e1$73976b60$a3b50642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2374 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: 100kw@psmith.us X-Originating-IP: 208.15.41.169 Subject: Re: FM SCA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188651084 X-Yahoo-Profile: philjsmith67 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I haven't heard anything on SCA for years- but that reminds me- > is Muzak still in business?? > Also- does anyone know what they use in Kmart and Walmart for > their in store "radio" you hear over the pa system? Is this > a tape system, or satellite? And now, to continue the "off topic" discussion of FM SCA on the AM Stereo board... :) I have an old Panasonic RF-2600 with an SCA demod board (originally made by Capri), and a switch to flip between 67 and 92 kHz. The card is capable of 57 kHz, but at the time I installed the board back in '83 RDS didn't exist, so I wasn't interested in spec'ing out what capacitance was needed to tune it. You just gotta love those older radios with spacious interiors for "expansion projects," and 9 or 12V worth of D cells to power them! Muzak, and it's alternate channel Foreground One (if it's still called that), are alive and well on 93.1 WXRT-FM Chicago. As far as the chain stores go, I believe they have their own satellite feeds now. Target has something like the "Target shoppers network." The last time I scanned the Chicagoland dial a couple months ago, I found these subcarriers (in kHz): 91.5 WBEZ Chicago, 67=CRIS Radio (Chicagoland Radio Information Service) which is essentially "Books for the Blind" 93.1 WXRT-FM Chicago, 67=Muzak, 92=Foreground One (light AC) 95.5 WNUA Chicago, 92=ethnic programming 99.5 WUSN Chicago, no SCA anymore, but used to carry the Physicians Radio Network a couple decades ago on 67 101.1 WKQX Chicago, 67=ethnic programming 101.9 WTMX Skokie-Chicago, carried the LDS Network until recently 107.5 WGCI-FM Chicago, 67=Hellenic Radio ethnic programming The last time I was able to get it strong enough, I know that 99.1 WMYX Milwaukee was carrying Muzak on 67 (sans Foreground One). HD Radio sits far away enough from the FM carrier and subs that stations like WNUA can still utilize their 92 kHz SCA without IBOC interference. I always thought it was a peculiar decision to park the IBOC sidebands so tremendously far outside the FM+Stereo+RDS signals, but my guess is that it was done to insure that some existing FM receivers didn't have on-channel issues from IBOC. Of course stations can continue to leverage their SCA leases while converting to hybrid-mode HD Radio. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 08 15:07:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18354 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2004 22:07:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2004 22:07:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2004 22:07:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2004 22:07:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 22:07:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003701c495e1$73976b60$a3b50642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1138 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.9 Subject: Re: SCA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I haven't heard anything on SCA for years- but that reminds me- is Muzak still in business?? As 100kw mentioned, very much so. > Also- does anyone know what they use in Kmart and Walmart for their in store "radio" you hear over the pa system? Is this a tape system, or satellite? Satellite. All the major chains have their own feeds, including Safeway and Winn Dixie. As soon as I get my radio, I'll do a bandscan for the Humboldt Bay region of California- I figure at least half of the FM stations here have SCA services going. Oh, and just a refresher, it was Kevin T. who mentioned IBOC's SAC system that brought this up, since all it will be is the HD Radio equivalent of SCA services, as I mentioned in response. I have been wanting to monitor SCA for years, even though it isn't stereo. Oh, and at one time- AM stereo related- There were some experiments using the quadrature/PM/FM portion of an AM-stereo signaal to use as an SCA-type service. I think a test station was in Orlando, FL at the time, about 10-12 years ago. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Sep 08 15:58:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9710 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2004 22:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2004 22:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.177) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2004 22:58:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:57:34 -0700 Received: from 24.94.108.163 by bay12-dav3.bay12.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 22:57:34 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20040904012753.22265.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:38:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2004 22:57:34.0807 (UTC) FILETIME=[3ABBE670:01C495F7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.177 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.108.163] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Grundig Yacht Boy 400 radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > That said, the YB-400 is almost equal to the ATS 505. > It's not remotely as good as the ATS-909. The YB 400PE sure blows away my ATS-818 as well as my Sangean made Realistic radios. When you hook it up to good speakers, it has pretty good audio too. When I was "Test Driving" portable radios, the YB-400PE now sitting on my table and tuned to WBCQ had better sensitivity and selectivity than the ATS-909 I left in the store. > > As a note the Satelit 800 is now discontinued. The E1 will be the replacement The best Grundig made in modern times was the Satelit 700. While I am sure that many of the components for the 700 are no longer on the World Market, I do wish they would make another portable radio of that high quality and performance. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Sep 08 16:10:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28496 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2004 23:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2004 23:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2004 23:10:14 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.16.97] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:09:09 -0600 Message-ID: <003401c495f9$4a7392a0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <003701c495e1$73976b60$a3b50642@4bmx301> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:08:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2004 23:10:10.0201 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCFBE090:01C495F8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SCA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think it's satellite- mostly Ku-band stuff (~10GHz.) Not much SCA activity here, though 91.1 KNOW has radio reading service on 67; 89.3 WCAL has Muzak on 67 and Russian Muslim programming on 92. 97.1 KTCZ has some sort of digital on 76 kHz (this a standard medium data rate SCA freq. when no other analog SCAs are used.) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" > Also- does anyone know what they use in Kmart and Walmart for their in store "radio" you hear over the pa system? Is this a tape system, or satellite? From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Sep 08 16:10:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82034 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2004 23:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2004 23:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2004 23:10:15 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.16.97] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:10:12 -0600 Message-ID: <003501c495f9$6a570660$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040906165935.01c61e50@pop.GameBox.net> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:10:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2004 23:10:13.0336 (UTC) FILETIME=[FEDA3D80:01C495F8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Didn't Chris Cuff say that chips were available some weeks ago? I probably still have the email in my archives but it would take me quite a while to find it. I'd be tempted to try it out, too. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Holcomb II" > 12. Is there a placed where I can hear WPEN's digital's transmission? Its a format where I know some of the music so it is something I feel I might be able to judge.? From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Sep 08 16:13:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77758 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2004 23:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2004 23:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2004 23:13:47 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.16.97] unverified) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:13:45 -0600 Message-ID: <003901c495f9$e97e9980$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040906182626.0317de00@pop.GameBox.net> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:16:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2004 23:13:46.0685 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E04B6D0:01C495F9] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC and Toms River X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'm not as optimistic as Tom Ray. I think analog may be unuseable; digital is anyone's guess as there hasn't been much research into digital-digital interference, but in areas of relatively equal signal strength I'd be surprised if most digital radios didn't mute. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Holcomb II" > Toms River, New Jersey is an area where you get a mixtures of signals. > Between Atlantic City/ocean County/NYC/Philly/Trenton, there is a mixture of analog signals that are overlapping. > I am just wondering if all stations had both analog and IBOC broadcasting at the same time, how would this area be able to receive anything in the analog or IBOC mode? From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Sep 08 17:03:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88106 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 00:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 00:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 00:03:13 -0000 Received: from smtp.west.cox.net ([172.18.180.56]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with SMTP id <20040909000244.EZAC3348.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:02:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.15 (webedge20-101-1103-20040528) To: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:02:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20040909000244.EZAC3348.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.28 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM skywave: an acceptable sacrifice? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I always said "if it ain't broke don't fix it" - and analog=20 broadcasting works just fine the way it is.=A0 Except that there are=20 too many stations on the air.=A0 NTSC television - yes - that was=20 broken from the moment they added color to it.=A0 Something had to be=20 done.=A0 But radio?=A0 No matter how you digitize it, it will end up=20 analog going into your ears.< That's a funny statement. Analog AM sounds awful on the typical radio,=20 so much so that 75% + of listening is done on FM, and music is rarely=20 found. That's broken to me. Is IBOC the fix? Doubtful, but the entire=20 system IS definitely broken. As to television, NTSC color is far better than you state, and the vast=20 majority of people are fully satisfied. Digital can be an improvement, but= =20 for many it is home theater viewing that is driving it. Richard Wagoner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 08 17:39:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41946 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 00:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 00:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 00:39:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 00:31:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 00:31:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003901c495f9$e97e9980$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1728 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.9 Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC and Toms River X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I'm not as optimistic as Tom Ray. I think analog may be unuseable; digital > is anyone's guess as there hasn't been much research into digital- digital > interference, but in areas of relatively equal signal strength I'd be > surprised if most digital radios didn't mute. The normal design of D/A conversion is to correct errors as much as possible (even by predictable assumption), and what it can't correct, it mutes until there is a correctable/clear signal. The error correction damned well better be robust, or you're going to have upset customers. DRM has yet to arise from the level of just a curiosity, largely due to dropouts- and DRM is supposed to be more robust than IBOC. People don't want useless radios. If analog is useless, and digital performs uselessly, people will look for another medium. IBOC and the bullheaded control of The Industry is effectively shooting everybody in their collective feet, including themselves. As I stated before, mutually-assured destruction. It's a lose-lose situation for everyone involved, except those who stand to profit from consumers', broadcasters' and manufacturers' misfortunes in this debacle. Considering jamming almost started some serious conflicts, and the globally propagative nature of MW (you WILL receive the IBOC hash down in Australia and NZ) will be seen as America's attempt at jamming. Do we REALLY have to go out of our way to earn the long-held appelation of "ugly Americans"? I'll never understand why corporates have to destroy their potential markets for the sake of the quick buck. *sigh* I'm really drifting here- Back to radio.... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomray@wor710.com Wed Sep 08 18:19:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98506 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 01:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 01:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 01:19:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 01:18:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 01:18:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040908133102.02a65498@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 997 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > Parts of that area you get 95.7 WMWX and 95.5 WPLJ... > Well if both of them went IBOC and remained analog at once, couldn't that be a mess? > Think about it, > 95.5 WPLJ's upper sideband signal would be on 95.7, and WMWX 95.7 signal would be on WPLJ's analog carrier. > Then of corse you have the problem of the upper sideband of 95.7's IBOC signal being on 95.9 WRAT's analog signal. Not with FM. An FM channel is 200kHz wide. The IBOC FM signal is 200kHz wide. That's 100kHz on either side of the carrier. Right now, the analog channel is 150kHz wide, +/-75kHz for 100% modulation....if you have subcarriers, it is 165kHz wide, +/-82.5kHz each side of carrier. 95.7's signal occupies 95.6-95.8....95.5's signal occupies 95.4-95.6. The guard band is gone, but the signals still fit in the allocated channel for FM. Of course, if the radio is designed improperly, you may have some issues. Tom Ray WOR From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 08 18:28:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11507 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 01:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 01:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 01:28:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 01:28:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 01:28:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 204 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.9 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > Of course, if the radio is designed improperly, you may have some issues. That's 98% of all radios, right there. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomray@wor710.com Wed Sep 08 18:38:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86584 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 01:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 01:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 01:38:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 01:38:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 01:38:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6546 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > This statement is correct as it relates to car radios only. The > statement does not apply to home radios. Virtually all inexpensive > home radios sold today are broadband analog - as a result of cost > cutting. Their IF stage consists of a single, very inexpensive 455 > kHz ceramic filter. Cymbals crash, trinagles ding out of 1 and two > inch speakers and in headphones. Many of them are so broadband, in > fact, that it is easy to hear stations 30, 40, and 50 kHz away > crosstalking. Every one of these inexpensive, wide band radios will > have noticably softer audio when tuned to a hybrid mode IBOC radio. > What is worse, they will pick up the digital sideband hiss and > superimpose it onto the analog audio. Funny, I don't find this with any home radios I have. As a matter of fact, I just put in a pricey home theater system....a home radio....AM section has a bandwidth of an entire 2kHz...stated in the manual and measured by myself. > There is a full digital mode for IBOC - it remains to be seen how > bad adjacent channel interference will be in full digital mode. It > is possible that much of the sideband interference will be > alleviated, closer spacing will be possible, and skywave reception > may be restored to some degree. The full digital mode is intended for ALL stations to be digital....no hybrid when that happens, so the skywave reception issue will not be an issue as there will be no analog signals. > Mexico is already violating license requirements on a massive scale > for unknown reasons. They do not care what interference they cause > to the United States now, so they won't care about IBOC > interference. Canada has little to benefit from IBOC, as most of > its population is concentrated within 100 miles of the border and it > has a much larger rural indigious population percentage than the > United States. I doubt they will just let the matter drop. I wouldn't be so sure. And I saw another post here referencing Cuba. Like Fidel should talk with his "I don't have any 500KW stations" jammers set up....like the one on 710 that wipes out WOR's signal on Long Island. > > > > 7. Will Am skywave and IBOC effect our DX friends in countries > > miles and miles away at all? > > > > Yes. Unfortunately, the DX hobby will most likely become a thing > of > > the past. > > This is typical of IBOC advocates in large cities. They start by > called DX a hobby to marginalize it. What do you call something where you, as a station engineer who has a considerable work load, get bombarded with people each winter seeking a "qsl card"...and two weeks letter are actually calling the general manager because they didn't get one???? If I had time to answer and verify every letter I get on this subject, I wouldn't be doing my job. Very frankly, this is a pain in the butt, and THAT is what we consider DX listening, and it is a hobby . > > To glibly say as some IBOC advocates do that these people are served > by FM, satellite, and internet makes assumptions that may not be > true. Proximity to FM stations is a bad assumption, because there > are vast regions even in the United States that are not served by > even a single FM station. Then maybe the FCC should do something about this....in this day and age, there is no excuse for the lack of coverage you are talking about. > > WOR's format is talk. What possible benefit is there to broadcast > in stereo? I tried left channel / right channel mikes on the air at > WAPN. It was annoying to listeners so we went back to mono on the > mikes. I wouldn't pan the mics....that's crap. The bumper music would add a new dimension, and every single spot we get in from outside is produced in stereo. So are our inhouse promos and other production elements. > This is a benefit of IBOC, and one I think everybody is looking > forward to. The thing that concerns me is the effect at dropout. I > am talking about local stations in what follows, not "DX". Right > now, if I approach a power line, I can hear it coming and drop the > volume on the radio before the interference gets severe. With > digital, the transition to analog will be abrupt. It will go from > perfect to VERY loud in an instant. That will be very distracting > while driving. The analog audio may be bandwidth and amplitude > limited, but the powerline is definitely not. It will be much > louder than the digital, and the transition will be very abrupt. It's not as loud as you would think it is. And if you're in a situation with IBOC where a power line will interfere with the decoding of the digital signal, the radio has been blending back and forth analog to digital for a while. It won't be a surprise. > > Just wait until analog TV shuts down. There will be such a volume > of loud, angry complaints that the FCC has never had to deal with > before. THANK YOU! Have you been in a Best Buy or similar store recently? Where does it say that your analog TV will be obsolete very soon? The public doesn't know what's about to hit them. > But obsoleting radios? > After the furor that is going to happen over TV? People are going > to be a little more vigilent about this nonsense and put a stop to > any osolescence of radios before it rears its ugly head. That's why you're probably going to see this happen over 20 or so years.....it won't happen overnight. > > These things will be priced too high. People will get XM or Sirius > in their cars instead of HD radio because there are no commercials. > People will not pay for higher priced models in Walmart - they will > sit on the shelf and join AM stereo radios in the garbage dump. > Consumers don't care. The difference isn't that great on FM, and > the increasing interference on the AM band will make people think > that "digital radio" is inferior - they won't have a clue that they > need new radios, and the AM band will be in very real jeopardy of > being more obsolete and irrelevant than it is now. Right now they're priced fairly high. But consider that the models out first are the high end radios from the manufacturers. The HD Panasonic I have in the car lists at $999.....the next model down, with the same equipment as the HD, is $899. If you're going to spend that amount of $ on a radio, what's another $100?? Once they start coming out in cars, the prices will drop. Tom Ray WOR From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Sep 08 19:06:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67570 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 02:06:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 02:06:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.189) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 02:06:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:06:32 -0700 Received: from 24.94.108.163 by bay12-dav15.bay12.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 09 Sep 2004 02:06:32 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:06:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2004 02:06:32.0666 (UTC) FILETIME=[A09FE3A0:01C49611] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.189 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.108.163] Subject: OT: FM Tuners and IBOC was: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: >The guard band is gone, but the signals still fit in the allocated channel for FM. > > Of course, if the radio is designed improperly, you may have some issues. The single best, most selective, yet sensitive car FM tuner I have ever owned was a first generation Pioneer Supertuner III AM/FM/CD with an external tuner box you had to hide behind the dash. It was 1987 Vintage. It would recieve with perfect Stereo seperation and little noise WRFX 99.7 in the driveway of the transmitter shack of WKSF 99.9. The AM tuner in it was garbage with the same audio quality as a long distance phone call. While the newest Supertuners by Pioneer won't match the performance of that classic, they are still much better than the other aftermarket FM radios. Perhaps FM IBOC will bring them more sales! Often I wonder why on earth Pioneer does not put the Supertuner in home units. Pioneer home stereos are junk nowadays. What a shame. In the early '80s, Pioneer made some killer audio equipment. I still LOVE my Magnum Dynalabs FT-101 for FM listening. I will cry when it dies and parts are no longer made for it. I am VERY careful about protecting it from this Florida lightning! I do smell a Fanfare in my future. Right now, it looks like they have the best tuner going. I want to put it on a Y adaptor on the same antenna I have the FT-101 hooked to, and see how the FM stacks up, as well as play with the AM. As I type this, I am listening to WAPE-FM 95.1 161 miles to my Northeast! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Sep 08 19:11:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28440 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 02:11:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 02:11:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 02:11:07 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-251-151-248.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.251.151.248]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8929nOe036376 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:09:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000c01c49612$165407c0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:09:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > > 6. How will IBOC effect nabering countrys such as Canada and > Mexico? > > > > My understanding is that Mexico is in the process of readying for > > IBOC transmission, along with many countries in South America. > > Canada, at that point, won't have a choice. Come on Tom, your normal honest, factual responses have allowed me to continue to respect your opinions, but I just can't let this one stand unchallenged. Didn't I just read that Canada is threatening the US with some sort of civil action because the use of sidebands by IBOC overlap the frequencies that are allocated to Canada as Canadian clear channels? The US is still bound by international agreements, regardless of whether we use IBOC. If Chicago's WMVP switches to IBOC, they will be in violation of our agreements by interfering with 1st adjacent CFRB on 1010 khz (A Canadian clear channel) In addition they are already committed to the Eureka DAB system which broadcasts in the L-Band. I would say that Canada DOES have a choice and they have made it... And it doesn't include IBOC. As for Mexico and Latin America, I don't know the source of the "understanding" that those areas are readying for IBOC. Just exactly what does it mean "readying". Has a single Mexican radio station (AM or FM) indicated that they will be adopting IBOC? Even the stations that border the US in Texas, Arizona and California (and some that are operating with LMA's from US companies) have made no indication that they can or will embrace IBOC. XHTZ, a Mexican CHR operated by Clear Channel cannot be 'readying' for IBOC because the Mexican government has made no decision on whether they will allow IBOC testing, even on FM. There is no testing of IBOC now, nor is any on the drawing board. However, Eureka's L-Band terrestrial system is currently operating (testing) in more than one location in Mexico ( http://www.worlddab.org/cstatus.aspx). My guess is that the Mexican government will adopt the Eureka system by the middle of next year, but we're dealing in facts here, not my guesses. I am not a fanatic AM Stereo buff like many who post here. I have remained open minded on this issue, but I still can't overcome the issues of interference. I've mentioned this before, but have not received an answer: WOR is a Class A clear channel (a former Class 1B, indicating the shared frequency with KIRO in Seattle). WOR and KIRO offer protection to each other. Since WOR is directional to protect KIRO at night with a null to the west, imagine what the IBOC noise from WLW and WGN will do to WOR in the areas west of the facility. Isn't this a major potential problem for WOR? I know our government has made their decision and nothing is going to stop IBOC, but I do firmly believe that it will do more damage to stations on the MW band in the US than help. I agree with earlier posts that FM multichannel sound will potentially become the distribution for talk programming and stations like WOR, WLW, KMOX, WOAI will lose audience, because even with IBOC, the nature of the MW band will still render interference. The only difference there will be silence rather than static. -Jim- From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Sep 08 20:28:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80842 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 03:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 03:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52409.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.117) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 03:28:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20040909032852.90449.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.111] by web52409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:28:52 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:28:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.117 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb > II > wrote: > > > Parts of that area you get 95.7 WMWX and 95.5 > WPLJ... > > Well if both of them went IBOC and remained analog > at once, couldn't > that be a mess? > > Think about it, > > 95.5 WPLJ's upper sideband signal would be on > 95.7, and WMWX 95.7 > signal would be on WPLJ's analog carrier. > > Then of corse you have the problem of the upper > sideband of 95.7's > IBOC signal being on 95.9 WRAT's analog signal. > > > Not with FM. An FM channel is 200kHz wide. The > IBOC FM signal is > 200kHz wide. That's 100kHz on either side of the > carrier. Right now, > the analog channel is 150kHz wide, +/-75kHz for 100% > modulation....if > you have subcarriers, it is 165kHz wide, +/-82.5kHz > each side of > carrier. 95.7's signal occupies 95.6-95.8....95.5's > signal occupies > 95.4-95.6. The guard band is gone, but the signals > still fit in the > allocated channel for FM. > > Of course, if the radio is designed improperly, you > may have some issues. > Tom Ray > WOR Sure you'll have PROBLEMS. Finding a PROPERLY designed radio is an effort in futility in most cases, and this goes for FM now, as well as FM! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From mrcomment@yahoo.com Wed Sep 08 20:51:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78209 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 03:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 03:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 03:51:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 03:51:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 03:51:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2725 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "mrcomment" X-Originating-IP: 64.169.91.164 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338 X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II > wrote: > > > Parts of that area you get 95.7 WMWX and 95.5 WPLJ... > > Well if both of them went IBOC and remained analog at once, couldn't > that be a mess? > > Think about it, > > 95.5 WPLJ's upper sideband signal would be on 95.7, and WMWX 95.7 > signal would be on WPLJ's analog carrier. > > Then of corse you have the problem of the upper sideband of 95.7's > IBOC signal being on 95.9 WRAT's analog signal. > > > Not with FM. An FM channel is 200kHz wide. The IBOC FM signal is > 200kHz wide. That's 100kHz on either side of the carrier. Right now, > the analog channel is 150kHz wide, +/-75kHz for 100% modulation....if > you have subcarriers, it is 165kHz wide, +/-82.5kHz each side of > carrier. 95.7's signal occupies 95.6-95.8....95.5's signal occupies > 95.4-95.6. The guard band is gone, but the signals still fit in the > allocated channel for FM. > > Of course, if the radio is designed improperly, you may have some issues. > > Tom Ray > WOR Incorrect. FM is not a linear modulation like AM and does not obey superposition. Nonetheless, the analog FM bandwidth is essentially confined within +/-120kHz of center frequency, somewhat less without subcarriers or aggressive processing. In hybrid mode, each of the IBOC sidebands occupy ~70kHz starting at a 129kHz offset from center frequency, thus spreading the total occupancy to +/-200kHz. With 200kHz channel allocations, first adjacents were definitely listenable (without IBOC) with a decent radio because the analog FM spectrum is essentially triangular, so there really isn't much overlap. This is not the case once IBOC goes on-the-air. Consider two channels with 200kHz separation, let's call them 95.5 and 95.7. If 95.5 turns on IBOC, then you're not going to be able to pick up the 95.7 analog signal when you are close to 95.5 because the upper IBOC sideband of 95.5 wipes out the analog 95.7. Similarly, if 95.7 turns on IBOC, then you aren't going to be able to pick up the analog signal of 95.5 when you are close to 95.7 because the lower IBOC sideband of 95.7 wipes out the 95.5 analog FM. I should mention that the IBOC/analog FM interference is mutual. In many of these circumstances, one of the IBOC sidebands is unusable, so you're relying on the other one to get any digital coverage and the performance in multipath gets considerably worse. Bottom line, the number of listenable signals in a market drops. Stations which are rim-shots into major markets, relying on the (previously) unocccupied guard bands, are going to be in trouble. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 08 22:20:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40390 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 05:20:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 05:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 05:20:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 05:19:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 05:19:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3948 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.128 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The IBOC spec calls for an analog audio bandwidth of 5kHz. Having > bandwidth any higher interferes with the IBOC carriers. Your dad > has one of the few wideband AM car radios out there, which is why > he has noticed. On my stock VW car radio, the difference is noticeable, and it is by no means a "wideband" receiver; from my guestimate, it uses a 5 kHz filter, which allows good mid-fidelity audio while retaining superb selectivity. Comparing 950 WPEN's 5 kHz audio with the full NRSC audio of 1260 WBUD yesterday afternoon in Flemington, NJ on this radio, it was very easy to distinguish the lack of high end in WPEN's audio, as well as the slight background hiss of their IBOC sidebands. In Flemington I was also able to get an unexpectedly clear signal from Long Island's 540 WLIE, which is surprising since their signal is only supposed to be about 0.1 mV/m at that location. But it was raining all day, so probably that helped improve ground conductivity. > > 4. How will this mess effect Toms River, NJ? > > You shouldn't notice much of a difference there. If both Philly's 560 WFIL and NYC's 570 WMCA begin transmitting IBOC, I bet there will be a significant difference. Same thing with 610 WIP vs. 620 WSNR -- although WIP seems happy with their Kahn Power-Side, and with WSNR's truly hideous directional pattern, I question if they ever will be able to get a satisfactory IBOC signal through their antenna system. Here is WSNR's daytime pattern -- don't you love all those nulls? http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/WSNR_AM_LD.gif > My understanding is that Mexico is in the process of readying for > IBOC transmission, along with many countries in South America. > Canada, at that point, won't have a choice. Mexico is simply boosting the power of their AM signals to compensate for any IBOC hash they may receive, and Cuba will likely follow suit (if they haven't already). BTW, as of a few years ago, Cuba had a number of planned 500,000-watt AM signals. It is questionable if any will get on the air with that much power, however. > IBOC is a stereo signal. WEPN is transmitting in stereo. Make that WPEN (950 kHz Philadelphia), not WEPN (1050 kHz NYC). > It should. I drive around listening to WOR's IBOC signal, and all > that goes away....especially impressive driving around Manhattan. BTW, in reading some iBiquity documentation, I found out that the analog portion of an IBOC receiver features impulse noise blanking -- so that helps to clean up some of the buzzes and crackles typical of analog AM reception, even before the received signal gets to the IBOC decoder. > Traditional analog is limited to 10kHz by FCC mandate. AM IBOC is > good to 15kHz. AM stations are allowed to transmit as high of an audio bandwidth as they like, just so long as their signal complies with the NRSC mask. This is exactly how IBOC places its primary digital sidebands within the 10 to 15 kHz audio range. And in place of those digital sidebands, you could transmit analog AM response up to 15 kHz or more, just so long as it "fits the mask". This will likely require pre-emphasis to be reduced or eliminated above 10 kHz; however, the high-frequency audio will still be listenable on a true wideband receiver, such as a Carver TX-11a, Sony SRF-A100, or GE SuperadioIII. > Your analog radio will work just fine. Except if it has any audio response above 5 kHz, in which case you'll suffer from the limited treble respone and background hiss of an IBOC signal, exactly as John described. > The FCC has not set a cut off date as of this point in time. If > they do, then your radio will need to be replaced. But the "catch" is, how many people will replace their obsolete analog radio with an IBOC receiver? In that case, they could just as easily abandon AM/FM radio entirely, and choose alternatives such as satellite radio or their own iPod-based music collection. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 08 22:34:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20390 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 05:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 05:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 05:34:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 05:34:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 923 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.128 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Skywave reception is extremely important to rural indiginous people > in Canada as their only source of news and information, as it is in > much of the rural Western areas of the United States and Alaska. > These people may not consider themselves DX'ers when they listen to > a station 50, 100, or 200 miles away. But when that is the > only "local" service to them, they will indeed notice a difference > when IBOC hash apppears instead of their station. When you look in the FCC rules regarding AM stations, there are actually quite a few exceptions and modifications relating specifically to stations in Alaska. Numerous 10 kW AM stations in Alaska are allocated as Class A signals, and have their groundwave and skywave signals protected out to a weaker signal contour than the continential Class A stations. Clearly the emphasis is upon providing reliable long-distance coverage, 24 hours a day. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 08 22:58:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37842 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 05:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 05:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 05:58:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 05:58:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 05:58:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 668 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.128 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I wouldn't pan the mics....that's crap. The bumper music would add > a new dimension, and every single spot we get in from outside is > produced in stereo. So are our inhouse promos and other production > elements. Better yet, you could pan-pot talk show hosts according to their political persuasions. That way, Lionel would be a little left of center, O'Reilly and Grant would be on the right, and Savage would be so far past the right that he'd be out-of-phase. BTW, I think the real reason why Arthur Schwartz "resigned" from WOR ( http://www.wor710.com/arthur_schwartz.shtml ) is because he realized that food doesn't taste any better in digital. :-) From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 08 23:14:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94063 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 06:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 06:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 06:14:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 06:14:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 06:14:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3456 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.9 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie First off, all the issues with IBOC points to the mentality of the people who created it: rather than experienced radio engineers knowledgable in the limitations and regulations concerning broadcasting, they appear to be technicians not concerned so much with radio broadcast and reception under real-world conditions. Essentially, this is a system designed by corporates, and developed by those incompetant in the field of development. This is something conceived by those only interested in the bottom line, rather than have any actual concern for the consequences of their actions- As long as they get their money, that's all they care. And we, the listeners, and the broadcasters, are left to suffer. That out of the way.... A common myth repeated around here is that the NRSC AM standard cuts off at 10kHz. It doesn't. It specifys a rolloff from maximum deviation of, if I remember correctly, either +/-3dB or +/-6dB, at 10 kHz. Just as Kevin said, this DOES allow the IBOC subcarriers up to 15kHz, as long as it stays within a perscribed mask- One intended for audio, not digital, and reflecting reduced incidence of audio at higher frequencies. The mask actually specifies beyond +/- 35kHz from carrier, although at that point, I believe it's at something like - 100dB. At +/- 15kHz, it's close to -35dB. This is adequate for high- fidelity analog with pre-emphasis, but as most receivers, if they tune off sufficiently to reduce the carrier/sideband ration, would begin treating the signal like SSB- Without carrier- and would be unbearably loud, and cause a whole mess of interference to adjacent channels. This is called making an AM radio useless, and will NOT help to promote HD Radio (or whatever the name will be- It's been IBOC and iDAB already), but do everything to discourage listenership. That's called shooting yourself- and your customers- in the feet. Bad business. VERY bad business. AM radio can sound FANTASTIC with the existing NRSC mask, but with the cruddy quality of radios made today, you aren't going to get quality listening, commercially, any more. Cheap & shoddy is good for the bottom line. As for FM- IBOC completely violates perscribed FM bandwidth guidelines. But as I believe it was Powell who mentioned, the quality of FM radios is going the same way of AM- Cheap and shoddy. Until IBOC came along, the FCC was quite steadfast about maintaining interference levels. But today, if you've got money, who needs regulations? ...unless you're not on the Commission's and their friends' good side, as CBS/Viacom is finding out REALLY quickly, now. The state of radio is a disgrace, in more than just IBOC and the garbage radios....and there's not one damnable thing I can do about it, except to try to keep AM stereo from falling into total obscurity. Thanks to the likes of the FCC and NAB, and so forth, we can't win this, and all these players are hellbent on RF Armageddon. And I don't know who but I who will carry on when the broadcast bands have been devastated once and for all. I am just a mouse, and yes, I carry a torch for AM stereo. But I'm only one mouse. How can you keep the dream alive with just one voice? Do you call it quits when the AM broadcast band is rendered useless, or can you start anew and carry on elsewhere? Can we build a new radio future? I don't know anymore-- I'm just one mouse- one voice, and it sure feels lonely. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jeffdeck@aol.com Thu Sep 09 02:05:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45523 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 09:05:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 09:05:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 09:05:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 09:05:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 09:05:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 878 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.209.167.204 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 You write: >I should mention that the IBOC/analog FM interference is mutual. >In many of these circumstances, one of the IBOC sidebands is >unusable, so you're relying on the other one to get any digital >coverage and the performance in multipath gets considerably worse. Please do not confuse FM IBOC with AM IBOC. FM does not have independent lower and upper sidebands, and thus does not share the natural redundancy of AM broadcasting (two sidebands available, when just one sideband is needed to recover the analog audio intelligence). When you modulate a signal on the FM band, the carrier amplitude stays constant, and the occupied bandwidth is dependant on the highest modulation frequency present. Depending on the carrier deviation, this creates many sidebands. 73, Jeff Deck For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit http://meduci.com From mrcomment@yahoo.com Thu Sep 09 06:52:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39671 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 13:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 13:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 13:52:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 13:52:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 13:52:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1356 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "mrcomment" X-Originating-IP: 64.170.119.184 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338 X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wrote: > You write: > >I should mention that the IBOC/analog FM interference is mutual. > >In many of these circumstances, one of the IBOC sidebands is > >unusable, so you're relying on the other one to get any digital > >coverage and the performance in multipath gets considerably worse. > > Please do not confuse FM IBOC with AM IBOC. FM does not have > independent lower and upper sidebands, and thus does not share the > natural redundancy of AM broadcasting (two sidebands available, > when just one sideband is needed to recover the analog audio > intelligence). > > When you modulate a signal on the FM band, the carrier amplitude > stays constant, and the occupied bandwidth is dependant on the > highest modulation frequency present. Depending on the carrier > deviation, this creates many sidebands. > > 73, > Jeff Deck > For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit > http://meduci.com Huh? I was talking about the IBOC sidebands, which are redundant, not the analog FM signal. My point was that in such a first adjacent interference situation, there is significant mutual interference between the adjacent analog FM and one of the IBOC sidebands. In these cases, you are relying on the other IBOC sideband to get any digital reception. From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Sep 09 07:10:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26996 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 14:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 14:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 14:10:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 14:10:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 14:10:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 9373 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter You were a lot kinder than I thought you would be in your reply! :) > Funny, I don't find this with any home radios I have. As a matter of > fact, I just put in a pricey home theater system....a home radio....AM > section has a bandwidth of an entire 2kHz...stated in the manual and > measured by myself. A home theatre system may be using an old reference design for AM. My 9 year old daughter gets new radios as often as she gets new clothes - they are more of a fashion statement than anything else. One week it is a "Mary Kate and Ashley" Radio, the next it is "Bratz", of course every walkie talkie has a radio in it, headphone radios as giveaways, radios at the dollar store - she has radios running out the door. And she complains to me when they don't work. There appears to be two types of IC's used in virtually all of these new, inexpensive radios. One is about 18 pins, and is set up for a four gang tuning capacitor (2 AM, 2 FM) obviously a superhet. The PC board layout has five pins for IF, center ground, next to it AM in / out, outboard FM in / out. Very nice setup for one ceramic filter AM, one ceramic filter FM. Depenidng on the manufacturer, some use very good ceramic filters on AM, some use very bad. "Mary Kate and Ashley", "Time Magazine" use really good filters. "Bratz" and everybody else use a filter so wide I get crosstalk from a station 40 kHz away - her primary complaint on AM is 660 crossing over to Radio Disney on 620. I routinely shotgun both of the filters - 110 kHz filter for FM and I patch in a 455 kHz wideband from a discarded wireless mouse for AM. I still get the highs on AM, but selectivity is excellent. I didn't have to do anything to "Mary Kate and Ashley" on FM, they already used a 150 kHz ceramic filter. The other IC in use only uses a two gang tuning capacitor, and no ceramic filters at all. I suspect AM is not aligned, just FM as they would have to share the gangs. And I suspect that there is some sort of filter on chip, and that it could be supplemented by replacing capacitors with a ceramic filter. If I had the data sheet on the IC. Bottom line - I've been in dozens of these new radios. My daughter, of course, tells all her friends that her daddy can fix their problem radios, so I have a steady stream of them waiting for modification. All makes and models. I very seldom see the old four transformer (one osc, 3 IF) type of AM any more. Most everything is switching to these new ICs so the boards inside can be as small and cheap as possible. It is only a matter of time until these new IC's and reference designs are in home theater and car radios as well. I already saw one in a new Panasonic design car radio for Saturns - they have digital noise from their integrated MP3 / DVD system that will swamp a really good AM section, so they downgrade AM in those models. NOT good news for you! > The full digital mode is intended for ALL stations to be digital....no > hybrid when that happens, so the skywave reception issue will not be > an issue as there will be no analog signals. I think skywave may return and be more robust, because digital will correct for the effects of fading. > I wouldn't be so sure. And I saw another post here referencing Cuba. > Like Fidel should talk with his "I don't have any 500KW stations" > jammers set up....like the one on 710 that wipes out WOR's signal on > Long Island. Is Fidel doing that because 710 is jamming some of his stations on adjacent frequencies? His chief engineer, by the way, is an American expatriot hired for the job. And how are you going to feel if WLW and WGN lose you coverage in New York when they go IBOC at night? > What do you call something where you, as a station engineer who has a > considerable work load, get bombarded with people each winter seeking > a "qsl card"...and two weeks letter are actually calling the general > manager because they didn't get one???? If I had time to answer and > verify every letter I get on this subject, I wouldn't be doing my job. > Very frankly, this is a pain in the butt, and THAT is what we > consider DX listening, and it is a hobby . I can sympathize. I am surprised you don't have interns doing this for you, or have it automated by computer. I think QSL's are a bit archaic myself. That said - I have already committed to researching WSB's coverage problem (I can hear them daytime in Lubbock, TX, using a four foot loop and GE Superradio 3, but they can't cover Macon). I will have to use QSL's to prove reception. > Then maybe the FCC should do something about this....in this day and > age, there is no excuse for the lack of coverage you are talking about. The auction may fill in a few of the gaps, but once in a while somebody publishes a composite map of FM coverage. Look at parts of Montana, Nevada, Utah - NO FM for hundreds of miles. There may be an opportunity there. A population density of 10 people per square mile, in 10,000 square miles (100 miles by 100 miles) is 100,000 people - enough audience for several FM's, but to reach them all - you would need a station in the middle of the 100 mile square, on a tall expensive tower, with a high powered transmitter. Assuming the terrain isn't mountainous, you could reach them. But the high start- up cost stops the major radio conglomerates cold. AM is the ONLY viable service in much of the country - a fact I drilled into those Panasonic people who were only thinking of conditions in Atlanta and had no clue that AM is so widely used in the Western 2/3 of the country. And a cabin 50 miles away in mountainous terrain has a tough time receiving a 5 kW or even 50 kW AM station. The rural population of the west adds up in a hurry as you count lots and lots of square miles, and virtually all of them are DX'ers of some sort or another. Go in a gas station in Utah, there is a radio with a wire strung outside listening to Las Vegas or Salt Lake City. They wouldn't know what the term DX means, knowledge of how to make radio work is passed from father to son, neighbor to neighbor. I went in a valley in Utah one time that was 150 miles long. The only radio that could be received was one or two 1 kW stations from each little town. Ground conductivity was poor, the range no better than 20 to 25 miles even with a really sensitive car radio. Those people were as isolated as you could get. Nighttine skywave was eagerly awaited, normal people talking about how they could hear city radio stations at night. New York and other large cities are rarified environments. The majority of the land area of the US is sparsely populated, and those folks still depend on sky wave. > I wouldn't pan the mics....that's crap. The bumper music would add a > new dimension, and every single spot we get in from outside is > produced in stereo. So are our inhouse promos and other production > elements. Even 40% / 60% mixing sounded terrible. > It's not as loud as you would think it is. And if you're in a > situation with IBOC where a power line will interfere with the > decoding of the digital signal, the radio has been blending back and > forth analog to digital for a while. It won't be a surprise. Glad to hear that. To me, it would almost be a safety issue to have the noise muted somehow. I was talking about the blowtorch signal of KMKI on 620 - producing a listenable stereo signal in Lubbock 330 miles away, but wiped out under power lines less than 20 miles from its transmitting site. > THANK YOU! Have you been in a Best Buy or similar store recently? > Where does it say that your analog TV will be obsolete very soon? The > public doesn't know what's about to hit them. Over 15 years ago, I had a letter published in EE Times saying the same thing. At that time, they were telling us HDTV would revive the domestic TV manufacturing industry. I haven't heard anybody saying that recently! > That's why you're probably going to see this happen over 20 or so > years.....it won't happen overnight. My best radio is a Hammarlund SP-600Jx that is 54 years old. Analog radios will still be around for a long time. And people will expect them to work, or will get angry. They will not care that IBOC was a "good thing" for the broadcasters. > Right now they're priced fairly high. But consider that the models > out first are the high end radios from the manufacturers. The HD > Panasonic I have in the car lists at $999.....the next model down, > with the same equipment as the HD, is $899. If you're going to spend > that amount of $ on a radio, what's another $100?? Yes but what does the XM or Sirius version cost? I usually go cheap then put in an AM stereo radio from the junkyard, or an after market unit. Very few people do that - they will go with factory. XM and Sirius don't have commercials, HD radio does - which way do you think people will go? > Once they start coming out in cars, the prices will drop. When there are $40 boom boxes in Walmart with digital, I might give it a try. Or when Pioneer sells a $129 HD radio. IF it still has decent performance on the vast majority of stations that can't go digital because of crowded spacing in metro areas, a complication you did not address! From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Sep 09 07:44:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94545 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 14:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 14:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 14:44:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20040909144446.61221.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.105] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Sep 2004 07:44:46 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:44:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mrcomment wrote: > Bottom line, the > number of listenable signals in a market drops. > Stations which are > rim-shots into major markets, relying on the > (previously) unocccupied > guard bands, are going to be in trouble. That's one way to lessen competition. JUST WAIT until we have a few mornings of rip roaring temperature inversons.....heh heh! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Sep 09 07:49:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17684 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 14:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 14:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 14:49:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20040909144848.53435.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.105] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Sep 2004 07:48:48 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:48:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > BTW, I think the real reason why Arthur Schwartz > "resigned" from WOR > ( http://www.wor710.com/arthur_schwartz.shtml ) is > because he > realized that food doesn't taste any better in > digital. :-) No no no! The food is changed to little 1's and 0's and it doesn't taste so great ! }:> Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From tomray@wor710.com Thu Sep 09 09:38:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26579 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 16:38:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 16:38:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 16:38:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 16:37:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 16:37:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 361 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: OT: FM Tuners and IBOC was: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > > The single best, most selective, yet sensitive car FM tuner I have ever > owned was a first generation Pioneer Supertuner III AM/FM/CD with an > external tuner box you had to hide behind the dash. That WAS a great radio, wasn't it? Too bad they're no longer made. TR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Sep 09 09:44:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89746 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 16:44:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 16:44:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 16:44:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 16:43:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 16:43:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c49612$165407c0$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1164 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > WOR is a Class A clear channel (a former Class 1B, indicating the shared > frequency with KIRO in Seattle). WOR and KIRO offer protection to each > other. Since WOR is directional to protect KIRO at night with a null to the > west, imagine what the IBOC noise from WLW and WGN will do to WOR in the > areas west of the facility. > Isn't this a major potential problem for WOR? No, it's not. Because you are talking areas outside of our FCC coverage area, and those people don't get NYC metro ratings books. As someone here has said, "it's all about the money". While we appreciate the folks who listen to us outside the NY market, they don't contribute to the bottom line here. We sell to the NYC market. We don't attempt to sell outside our coverage area, as defined by the FCC. And since AM radios demod one sideband, not both (unless something has changed in radio theory....and since I generally don't work on radios, I may not be 100% up to date on that), there should be no more issues when WLW and WGN fire up than when we were testing with only WLW. TR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Sep 09 09:45:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56034 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 16:45:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 16:45:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 16:45:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 16:45:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 16:45:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040909032852.90449.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 348 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > > Sure you'll have PROBLEMS. Finding a PROPERLY > designed radio is an effort in futility in most cases, > and this goes for FM now, as well as FM! > And therein lies the main problem....the design of the radios....particularly the AM sections. TR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Sep 09 09:51:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3628 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 16:51:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 16:51:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 16:51:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 16:50:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 16:50:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1660 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "mrcomment" wrote: > > Incorrect. FM is not a linear modulation like AM and does not obey > superposition. I was answering in simple terms. Not everyone here knows the theory or math involved. > This is not the case once IBOC goes on-the-air. Consider > two channels with 200kHz separation, let's call them 95.5 and 95.7. > If 95.5 turns on IBOC, then you're not going to be able to pick up > the 95.7 analog signal when you are close to 95.5 because the upper > IBOC sideband of 95.5 wipes out the analog 95.7. Similarly, if 95.7 > turns on IBOC, then you aren't going to be able to pick up the analog > signal of 95.5 when you are close to 95.7 because the lower IBOC > sideband of 95.7 wipes out the 95.5 analog FM. Do you mean distance to the transmitter when you say close? Because, with most radios, you have this problem already without IBOC. I should mention > that the IBOC/analog FM interference is mutual. In many of these > circumstances, one of the IBOC sidebands is unusable, so you're > relying on the other one to get any digital coverage and the > performance in multipath gets considerably worse. Bottom line, the > number of listenable signals in a market drops. Stations which are > rim-shots into major markets, relying on the (previously) unocccupied > guard bands, are going to be in trouble. In markets with numerous FM IBOC stations on the air, they are not reporting these problems....and in markets with a first adjacent IBOC station distant, they do not have limited coverage. You'd be surprised how robust the signal is. TR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Sep 09 09:53:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94707 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 16:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 16:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 16:53:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 16:53:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 16:53:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2997 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: >with WSNR's truly hideous directional pattern, I > question if they ever will be able to get a satisfactory IBOC signal > through their antenna system. Here is WSNR's daytime pattern -- > don't you love all those nulls? We drive by their site on Valley Brook and lose them...I mean, they are gone....the nulls are so deep. You can't hear them at the GW bridge! TR > > http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/WSNR_AM_LD.gif > > > My understanding is that Mexico is in the process of readying for > > IBOC transmission, along with many countries in South America. > > Canada, at that point, won't have a choice. > > Mexico is simply boosting the power of their AM signals to compensate > for any IBOC hash they may receive, and Cuba will likely follow suit > (if they haven't already). BTW, as of a few years ago, Cuba had a > number of planned 500,000-watt AM signals. It is questionable if any > will get on the air with that much power, however. > > > IBOC is a stereo signal. WEPN is transmitting in stereo. > > Make that WPEN (950 kHz Philadelphia), not WEPN (1050 kHz NYC). > > > It should. I drive around listening to WOR's IBOC signal, and all > > that goes away....especially impressive driving around Manhattan. > > BTW, in reading some iBiquity documentation, I found out that the > analog portion of an IBOC receiver features impulse noise blanking - - > so that helps to clean up some of the buzzes and crackles typical of > analog AM reception, even before the received signal gets to the IBOC > decoder. > > > Traditional analog is limited to 10kHz by FCC mandate. AM IBOC is > > good to 15kHz. > > AM stations are allowed to transmit as high of an audio bandwidth as > they like, just so long as their signal complies with the NRSC mask. > This is exactly how IBOC places its primary digital sidebands within > the 10 to 15 kHz audio range. And in place of those digital > sidebands, you could transmit analog AM response up to 15 kHz or > more, just so long as it "fits the mask". This will likely require > pre-emphasis to be reduced or eliminated above 10 kHz; however, the > high-frequency audio will still be listenable on a true wideband > receiver, such as a Carver TX-11a, Sony SRF-A100, or GE SuperadioIII. > > > Your analog radio will work just fine. > > Except if it has any audio response above 5 kHz, in which case you'll > suffer from the limited treble respone and background hiss of an IBOC > signal, exactly as John described. > > > The FCC has not set a cut off date as of this point in time. If > > they do, then your radio will need to be replaced. > > But the "catch" is, how many people will replace their obsolete > analog radio with an IBOC receiver? In that case, they could just as > easily abandon AM/FM radio entirely, and choose alternatives such as > satellite radio or their own iPod-based music collection. From tomray@wor710.com Thu Sep 09 09:55:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80939 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 16:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 16:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 16:55:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 16:55:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 16:55:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 667 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Better yet, you could pan-pot talk show hosts according to their > political persuasions. That way, Lionel would be a little left of > center, O'Reilly and Grant would be on the right, and Savage would > be so far past the right that he'd be out-of-phase. Isn't he already?? > > BTW, I think the real reason why Arthur Schwartz "resigned" from WOR > ( http://www.wor710.com/arthur_schwartz.shtml ) is because he > realized that food doesn't taste any better in digital. :-) Nah....the reason is that we wouldn't put a griddle in the middle of the console for his show. TR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Sep 09 10:11:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74859 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 17:11:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 17:11:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 17:11:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 17:10:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:10:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4552 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > My 9 year old daughter gets new radios as often as she gets new > clothes - they are more of a fashion statement than anything else. > One week it is a "Mary Kate and Ashley" Radio, the next it > is "Bratz", of course every walkie talkie has a radio in it, > headphone radios as giveaways, radios at the dollar store - she has > radios running out the door. And she complains to me when they > don't work. I have one of those, too....a 9 year old daughter, I mean. Where does she find radios with AM sections? The ones I see all have FM only. >I didn't have to do anything > to "Mary Kate and Ashley" on FM, they already used a 150 kHz ceramic > filter. I've been wondering what's up with them.......now it's explained. They're over filtered! >My daughter, > of course, tells all her friends that her daddy can fix their > problem radios, so I have a steady stream of them waiting for > modification. All makes and models. Uh, oh. The ultimate daddy boo boo. Next, the parents will be asking her friends if they think her friend's daddy can fix -----. Sounds like it's time to open a fix-it shop! I'm considering myself........ > they have digital noise from their integrated MP3 / DVD system that > will swamp a really good AM section, so they downgrade AM in those > models. NOT good news for you! Every new gadget that comes into the house (or goes into the car) further trashes AM. It's a shame. > > I think skywave may return and be more robust, because digital will > correct for the effects of fading. That's going to be intesting to find out. > > Is Fidel doing that because 710 is jamming some of his stations on > adjacent frequencies? His chief engineer, by the way, is an > American expatriot hired for the job. > > And how are you going to feel if WLW and WGN lose you coverage in > New York when they go IBOC at night? Actually, Fidel is doing that because there is a 710 in Miami that puts their full signal directly towards Cuba at night, and that's how they retaliate. With our testing, we had no problems with WOR analog reception anywhere within our coverage area.....we won't be losing NY, LI, or Jersey. > > > What do you call something where you, as a station engineer who > has a > > considerable work load, get bombarded with people each winter > seeking > > a "qsl card"...and two weeks letter are actually calling the > general > > manager because they didn't get one???? If I had time to answer > and > > verify every letter I get on this subject, I wouldn't be doing my > job. > > Very frankly, this is a pain in the butt, and THAT is what we > > consider DX listening, and it is a hobby . > > I can sympathize. I am surprised you don't have interns doing this > for you, or have it automated by computer. I think QSL's are a bit > archaic myself. That said - I have already committed to researching > WSB's coverage problem (I can hear them daytime in Lubbock, TX, > using a four foot loop and GE Superradio 3, but they can't cover > Macon). I will have to use QSL's to prove reception. I wish we had the Interns around here to do that....somehow, they always go to programming, sales, or news, and engineering gets left out! > My best radio is a Hammarlund SP-600Jx that is 54 years old. Analog > radios will still be around for a long time. And people will expect > them to work, or will get angry. They will not care that IBOC was > a "good thing" for the broadcasters. I've got a 1930 Philco cathedral that is mint and is my pride and joy. Works great. Too bad there's no big band around my area to tune it to. > > Yes but what does the XM or Sirius version cost? I usually go cheap > then put in an AM stereo radio from the junkyard, or an after market > unit. Very few people do that - they will go with factory. XM and > Sirius don't have commercials, HD radio does - which way do you > think people will go? That is something the programmers are going to have to address. Programming wise, we're digging our own hole in many cases. > > When there are $40 boom boxes in Walmart with digital, I might give > it a try. Or when Pioneer sells a $129 HD radio. IF it still has > decent performance on the vast majority of stations that can't go > digital because of crowded spacing in metro areas, a complication > you did not address! It's not my place to address that. That's the FCC's problem TR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 09 14:01:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35243 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 21:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 21:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 21:01:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 21:00:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 21:00:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 373 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.15 Subject: Re: DXers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If I had time to answer and verify every letter I get on this > subject, I wouldn't be doing my job. > Very frankly, this is a pain in the butt, and THAT is what we > consider DX listening, and it is a hobby . But yet you seem to have time to post on this group almost daily, including during daytime hours... Isn't that taking time away from your job as well, Tom? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 09 14:16:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70928 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 21:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 21:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 21:16:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 21:16:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 21:15:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 385 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.15 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > > BTW, I think the real reason why Arthur Schwartz "resigned" from > > WOR ( http://www.wor710.com/arthur_schwartz.shtml ) is because he > > realized that food doesn't taste any better in digital. :-) > > Nah....the reason is that we wouldn't put a griddle in the middle > of the console for his show. WOR could've been a pioneer of a new concept... play-by-play Hibachi radio! From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Sep 09 14:45:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66058 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 21:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 21:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52402.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.110) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 21:45:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20040909214539.17077.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.120] by web52402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Sep 2004 14:45:39 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:45:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.110 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > > > > Sure you'll have PROBLEMS. Finding a PROPERLY > > designed radio is an effort in futility in most > cases, > > and this goes for FM now, as well as FM! > > > > > And therein lies the main problem....the design of > the > radios....particularly the AM sections. > > TR OH HAVE NO FEAR! The FM sections are trying to catch up for pure brown smelly mud. I was really amazed when I took apart a Zenith solid state circle of sound clock radio with analog tuning dial and LED clock. I wanted to see what was the back up power ( a AA nicad with solder tabs) . BUT what got me was the AM section had 3 IF sections. No wonder it eats the CC radio alive! FM pretty good too, and terminals for outside antenna. It would sound better ( like the BIG speaker in the cone type Circle of Sound) with more than a 4 inch speaker. I have some ( I found 2 0r 3 ) Panasonic clock radios from the early 80's. I have my original and the other 2 for $5.00. An excellent ( and not super wide) AM and good FM. Interestingly this radio can be hung on the wall. Todays prices this radio would cost $85 or so. But NONE beats the GE 7-4885A. Keyboard entry for everything. ( I have the earlier model with red LED's too, but the keyboard is bad)...this model even has 9 / 10 Kilohertz dialing. It only tunes to 1610, being late 70's I think. This radio cost around $90 then I think. Won't see anything in the store like this. I guess the Boston Acoustics Receptor would be the only thing that comes close. But then for a "REAL" clock radio I have a TOP of the Line 1957 Zenith AM FM clock radio, with outlet on the back that can handle about 2000 watts. I guess you use that to have that bedside coffee pot ready for you at wake up! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Sep 09 14:52:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96577 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 21:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 21:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52404.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.112) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 21:52:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20040909215246.93542.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.120] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Sep 2004 14:52:46 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:52:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.112 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" > > wrote: > > And how are you going to feel if WLW and WGN lose > you coverage in > > New York when they go IBOC at night? > Actually, Fidel is doing that because there is a 710 > in Miami that > puts their full signal directly towards Cuba at > night, and that's how > they retaliate. I hear the Miami down here. I'll try to get a good recording of it. I don't think they null north as well as they should. > > My best radio is a Hammarlund SP-600Jx that is 54 > years old. > Analog > > radios will still be around for a long time. And > people will > expect > > them to work, or will get angry. They will not > care that IBOC was > > a "good thing" for the broadcasters. I have a SP-600 but I'm afraid to turn it on until I replace those "black beauty" capacitors. I have another name for them and "beauty" is not the word, though it starts with a a "B" ! > I've got a 1930 Philco cathedral that is mint and is > my pride and joy. Works great. Too bad there's no >big band around my area to tune it to. What model is that? And well get one of Chris Cuff's 10 mw AM stereo TX's and then you'll be happy. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 09 14:58:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 664 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 21:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 21:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 21:58:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 21:58:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 21:58:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1308 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.15 Subject: California news: KFI, XETRA, etc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Some news today for AM radio listeners Southern California -- first off, 640 KFI will reportedly begin IBOC transmissions today (Friday, Sept. 9th). They have already reduced their analog audio bandwidth to 6 kHz to prepare for it; prior to that, they were reportedly transmitting 8 kHz audio for about a month. Meanwhile, 690 XETRA, serving San Diego and LA from Rosarito Beach, BCN, Mexico, is now rumored to be switching to an Adult Standards music format. XETRA will drop its current Sports format which will move to 570 KLAC, to replace KLAC's existing Adult Standards music format. XETRA's current simulcast partner on 1150 AM will also drop Sports to go with the Air America talk network. The 690 switch will also fill the void of San Diego's 1360 KPOP recently dropping Adult Standards for Air America. p.s. Interestingly, Radio-Locator's "local" radio index for San Diego lists AM stations as far as 140 miles away as having a "moderately strong" signal, while the most distant FM signal on the list is only 23 miles away. Los Angeles-based AM stations which show up in San Diego's Arbitron ratings include 640 KFI, 1150 KXTA, and 1070 KNA -- each about 90 to 100 miles distant. So will KFI's new IBOC signal be receivable in San Diego in full digital mode? We'll see.... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 09 16:36:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44803 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2004 23:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2004 23:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 23:36:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2004 23:36:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 23:35:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1850 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.15 Subject: Kahn vs. WOR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com.... all I have to say is, I think IBOC is the _cause_ of "complaint about low audio quality and noise on the AM band", rather than the answer to it.... Kahn Bashes WOR's IBOC; Ray Disputes Claims Leonard Kahn, who is working on an alternative to AM IBOC technology called Cam-D, says recent nighttime tests between WLW and WOR show that high-power stations would interfere with each other and wipe out some skywave reception if they went digital using HD Radio technology. In a reply to an opinion piece in Radio World by Buckley Corporate Director of Engineering Tom Ray, Kahn, also known to the industry for his earlier work on AM Stereo, states, "WOR 50 kW 710 kHz is pushing the FCC to let it operate at night even though when WOR and WLW(AM), Ohio 50 kW 700 kHz ran their only test at night, they jammed each other 30 miles from their transmitters. They also interfered with innocent stations three channels above and below their channels." Ray disputes Kahn's claims as "pure crap." "On what criteria is Mr. Kahn basing his claims?" continued Ray. "During the WOR-WLW overnight tests, WOR had digital coverage to our 1/2mV contour -- which, on the skirt of our secondary lobe towards Philly, reached 78 miles to Allentown, Pa., and 95 miles to Philadelphia. This is documented and witnessed by myself. Mr. Kahn was nowhere to be found during these tests. "What Mr. Kahn isn't telling people," Ray said, "is that, during those tests, the WLW skywave signal, with the WOR IBOC carriers off, was getting trashed by skywave interference. It was just as noisy if not noisier with the WOR IBOC carriers off." Cam-D, Ray says, does not answer consumer complaint about low audio quality and noise on the AM band, while IBOC does. Both opinion articles will appear in print in Radio World. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Sep 09 17:27:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35598 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2004 00:27:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2004 00:27:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.178) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2004 00:27:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:26:17 -0700 Received: from 24.94.108.163 by bay12-dav4.bay12.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:26:16 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:26:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2004 00:26:17.0033 (UTC) FILETIME=[C970E390:01C496CC] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.178 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.108.163] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: >as of a few years ago, Cuba had a number of planned 500,000-watt AM signals. If Fidel puts a Smooth Jazz or '80s pop format on a 500 KW signal in C-QUAM stereo, he will have a regular listener here in Tampa! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Sep 09 18:46:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36873 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2004 01:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2004 01:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52402.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.110) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2004 01:46:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20040910014637.94413.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.83] by web52402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Sep 2004 18:46:37 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:46:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.110 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > If Fidel puts a Smooth Jazz or '80s pop format on a > 500 KW signal in C-QUAM > stereo, he will have a regular listener here in > Tampa! > > Kevin in Tampa That's if you don't wash or blow away. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From tomray@wor710.com Fri Sep 10 10:16:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4341 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2004 17:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2004 17:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2004 17:16:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2004 17:16:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:15:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 517 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: DXers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > If I had time to answer and verify every letter I get on this > > subject, I wouldn't be doing my job. > > Very frankly, this is a pain in the butt, and THAT is what we > > consider DX listening, and it is a hobby . > > But yet you seem to have time to post on this group almost daily, > including during daytime hours... Isn't that taking time away from > your job as well, Tom? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? TR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Sep 10 10:17:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83135 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2004 17:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2004 17:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2004 17:17:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2004 17:16:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:16:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 569 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > BTW, I think the real reason why Arthur Schwartz "resigned" from > > > WOR ( http://www.wor710.com/arthur_schwartz.shtml ) is because he > > > realized that food doesn't taste any better in digital. :-) > > > > Nah....the reason is that we wouldn't put a griddle in the middle > > of the console for his show. > > WOR could've been a pioneer of a new concept... play-by-play Hibachi > radio! Here comes an onion.....OHHHHHHH...it's on the floor! Bad shot and out of bounds! TR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Sep 10 10:20:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 214 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2004 17:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2004 17:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2004 17:19:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2004 17:19:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:19:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 362 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Kevin T. wrote: > >as of a few years ago, Cuba had a number of planned 500,000-watt AM > signals. > > If Fidel puts a Smooth Jazz or '80s pop format on a 500 KW signal in C-QUAM > stereo, he will have a regular listener here in Tampa! How about military marches 24/7? TR From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Sep 10 10:46:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87003 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2004 17:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2004 17:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.121.226) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2004 17:46:35 -0000 Received: from 209-165-22.234.lightspeed.net ([209.165.22.234] helo=earthlink.net) by cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C5pTc-0002Pg-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:46:25 -0700 Message-ID: <4141E882.33988DEC@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:46:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.121.226 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think the big corporation radio guys understand that all of these stations sound alike. AM here in Tampa is either talk or Spanish (which I don't speak), and most FM formats are various kinds of oldies or one or two of hit music stations. They've sliced up that demographic pie till everything sounds the same and there's nothing left but mush. In my house and vehicle, I've pretty much switched to CDs. I'm just bored with most radio that I hear. Dick W. Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > wrote: > > If Fidel puts a Smooth Jazz or '80s pop format on a 500 KW signal > in C-QUAM > > stereo, he will have a regular listener here in Tampa! > > How about military marches 24/7? > > TR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Sep 10 14:19:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21648 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2004 21:19:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2004 21:19:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2004 21:19:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2004 21:18:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:18:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4141E882.33988DEC@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1163 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Yeah - that's the worst nightmare of most broadcasters. That, MP3 players, in car DVD systems, XM, and Sirius. One way to protect yourself is to identify a niche, do it well, and hope the big radio corporations don't come in and compete. Christian rock does really well in Dallas. But the big corporations have steered clear of Christian - anything - because they are prejudiced against it, afraid of it, or don't understand it. Just leaves more money for those that program it ---- The big corporations have zero creativity. So much so that Radiolocator.com can describe everything they do in a handfull of format types. I am bored with all their ideas including new ones like rhythmic oldies, Bob, and Jack. Same 1000 songs on the hard drive over and over again. Why even bother having announcers. Just put 'em in alphabetical order and publish a schedule so we will know when to tune in and out - until we get burned out on the same old same old. At one point, I followed somebody who had an FM modulator on his MP3 player in the car. He was playing Irish folk dances or something. It was AWFUL - but at least it was different. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 10 18:30:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79466 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2004 01:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2004 01:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2004 01:30:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2004 01:30:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 01:30:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 807 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.3 Subject: Re: DXers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > > > If I had time to answer and verify every letter I get on this > > > subject, I wouldn't be doing my job. > > > Very frankly, this is a pain in the butt, and THAT is what we > > > consider DX listening, and it is a hobby . > > > > But yet you seem to have time to post on this group almost daily, > > including during daytime hours... Isn't that taking time away > > your job as well, Tom? > > Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? That's basically what I'm asking you! You whine about the time it takes to respond to DXers, but yet I've never heard you whine about the time it takes to read and post to this Forum. A year ago, you were complaining about "a crazy bunch of AM Stereo fanatics". Now you're complaining about "a crazy bunch of DXing fanatics". So who will be next? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 10 19:03:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89958 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2004 02:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2004 02:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2004 02:03:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2004 02:03:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 02:03:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 499 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.3 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If Fidel puts a Smooth Jazz or '80s pop format on a 500 KW signal > in C-QUAM stereo, he will have a regular listener here in Tampa! If IBOC turns out to be a flop, I wouldn't be surprised to see IBOC exciters resold to Cuba as AM radio jammers. Just fire one up in full-digital mode and blast away at the USA! The only downside is that the resulting "hash" is not quite as amusing as the traditional "buzzsaw" or "chirping" jammers, like you sometimes still hear on the Shortwave bands. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Sep 10 19:29:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70623 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2004 02:29:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2004 02:29:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.180) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2004 02:29:18 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:29:18 -0700 Received: from 24.94.108.163 by bay12-dav6.bay12.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 11 Sep 2004 02:29:17 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:29:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2004 02:29:18.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[235915F0:01C497A7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.180 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.108.163] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: >The only downside is that the resulting "hash" is not quite as amusing as the traditional "buzzsaw" or "chirping" jammers, Come to Florida, and you will find little amusment in the Cuban Jammers! Just ask the owners of WRMI! If I Owned WRMI, the temptation would be strong to fire up the backup transmitter on 6000kHz in the evenings and "get even"! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Sep 10 19:31:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16911 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2004 02:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2004 02:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.176) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2004 02:31:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:24:14 -0700 Received: from 24.94.108.163 by bay12-dav2.bay12.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 11 Sep 2004 02:24:14 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <4141E882.33988DEC@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:24:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2004 02:24:14.0821 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E8B6150:01C497A6] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.176 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.108.163] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Dick W wrote: >AM here in Tampa is either talk or Spanish (which I don't speak), AM 860 WGUL http://www.wgul.net/ is playing Music of Your Life, but their audio sucks, oh well the Am does sound better than the simulcast over on 106.3 FM! > >and most FM formats are various kinds of oldies or one or two of hit music stations. Since they fixed their audio, WSJT http://www.wsjt.com on 94.1 is pretty good to listen to. I got the ol' FT-101 on 94.1 as I write this. > > I'm just bored with most radio that I hear. Yea, radio just isn't the same without L.D. Brewer's Party Pirate on 102.1 oh well, there is still some kewl radio to listen to on the weekends on WBCQ on the Short-Wave. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From tomray@wor710.com Fri Sep 10 19:49:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27299 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2004 02:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2004 02:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2004 02:49:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2004 02:49:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 02:49:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1481 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: DXers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > > If I had time to answer and verify every letter I get on this > > > > subject, I wouldn't be doing my job. > > > > Very frankly, this is a pain in the butt, and THAT is what we > > > > consider DX listening, and it is a hobby . > > > > > > But yet you seem to have time to post on this group almost daily, > > > including during daytime hours... Isn't that taking time away > > > your job as well, Tom? > > > > Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? > > That's basically what I'm asking you! You whine about the time it > takes to respond to DXers, but yet I've never heard you whine about > the time it takes to read and post to this Forum. > > A year ago, you were complaining about "a crazy bunch of AM Stereo > fanatics". Now you're complaining about "a crazy bunch of DXing > fanatics". So who will be next? Kevin: I do not whine. You do, constantly, about the same old stuff. I made a statement. Ask any CE in the NYC market. None of us have time for this. If one of us isn't busy running multiple stations, others of us are handling 3 major projects all at once. It's one thing for someone to ask for a post card. It's another to expect that we actually have the time to verify what went out on the air. And I generally post during lunch time....takes a few minutes....and generally to protect myself and this radio station from your diatribes. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Sep 10 19:52:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81115 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2004 02:52:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2004 02:52:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2004 02:52:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2004 02:52:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 02:52:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 91 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Kahn vs. WOR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray And wait until you see what's in store for Mr. Kahn in my reply to him in RW. Tom Ray WOR From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Fri Sep 10 20:26:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82912 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2004 03:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2004 03:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2004 03:26:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2004 03:26:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 03:26:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1213 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "dbdigital2004" X-Originating-IP: 69.3.128.228 Subject: Re: Forbes Article On NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Sundquist" wrote: > Here is an interesting article I came across...not directly AM Stereo > related, but talks about the FCC and the NAB and their "war" on the > satellite services: > > http://tinyurl.com/3sgg5 > > > Mark > Warren,MI Just one more proof that the FCC is the NAB's "dog" that will fetch any stick the association throws. A couple of months ago when the NAB whined over XM radio's plan to air local emergency and traffic broadcasts, it only took the FCC days to "sniff butt" and seek comments on the issue. But look how long it's taking the FCC to bring up the matter of LPAM or anything related to community radio, the bogus localism hearings notwithstanding. But you gotta love the Ayn Rand Institute for recommending the abolishment of the FCC. Of course, their recommendation is based on what they conclude is the unconstitutionality of the agency for imposing its arbitrary indecency standards in connection with the Janet Jackson incident (a tempest in a c-cup, in my opinion). I'd like to see the FCC abolished because it has become inefficient, corrupt and no longer representing the interests of the public. db From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 10 22:06:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67258 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2004 05:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2004 05:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2004 05:06:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2004 05:06:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 05:06:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 885 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.169 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > If Fidel puts a Smooth Jazz or '80s pop format on a 500 KW signal > > in C-QUAM stereo, he will have a regular listener here in Tampa! > > If IBOC turns out to be a flop, I wouldn't be surprised to see IBOC > exciters resold to Cuba as AM radio jammers. Just fire one up in > full-digital mode and blast away at the USA! The only downside is > that the resulting "hash" is not quite as amusing as the traditional > "buzzsaw" or "chirping" jammers, like you sometimes still hear on the > Shortwave bands. No, just Radio Reloj on every darn frequency...or so was the case on at least one trip to Florida years ago. "Tick...tick...tick..." And you can hear it over the Internet, too, although with the usual streaming-audio delay. http://www.media.islagrande.cu/radio/rc3.asx Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Sep 11 14:47:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14791 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2004 21:47:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2004 21:47:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2004 21:47:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2004 21:47:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 21:47:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 375 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.6 Subject: Re: Some questions about IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > No, just Radio Reloj on every darn frequency...or so was the case > on at least one trip to Florida years ago. > > "Tick...tick...tick..." When 570 WMCA in New York City shuts down for maintenance at night, Radio Reloj on 570 kHz can be heard at the transmitter site. And even more conspicuous than the "ticking" is the Morse code "RR" at the start of every minute. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Sep 11 20:34:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78330 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2004 03:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2004 03:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2004 03:34:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2004 03:34:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 03:34:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1427 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.6 Subject: Virgin Radio 1215 AM webcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The U.K.'s Virgin Radio earns two thumbs up from me -- not only do they broadcast on 1215 kHz AM in London, they also have a wide variety of web-streams available, including the typical Windows Media Audio and RealAudio formats as well as non-proprietary streaming MP3 and Ogg Vorbis: http://www.virginradio.co.uk/thestation/listen/streams.html Their "32k" Ogg Vorbis stream (actually 24 kbps) sounds like a decent wideband AM broadcast, with crisp 10 kHz audio response and minimal artifacts. Compared to the 32 kbps MP3 stream, the improvement in quality and clarity is immediately noticeable. The high-bandwidth streams are even better, of course, if you have a high-speed connection. Again, the Ogg Vorbis streams sound particularly impressive, offering 16 kHz audio response in full Stereo with virtually no audible artifacts even at 96 kbps. In fact it would sound fantastic when rebroadcast over an "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter. They even say "Virgin Radio 1215 AM" on the IDs over the webcast so except for the different frequency you can pretend you were actually listening to Virgin Radio's own AM signal in full Stereo. Their music is great, too, offering a nice "Rock AC" type of format with many songs you don't hear anywhere on U.S. radio. Virgin Radio also offers separate web-streams for Classic Rock and "Groove" (Soul/Disco) formats, which are also a pleasure to listen to. From brucec@mindspring.com Sun Sep 12 06:18:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39502 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2004 13:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2004 13:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2004 13:18:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2004 13:18:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:17:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 772 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.226.36.21 Subject: Re: DXers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > And I generally post during lunch time....takes a few minutes....and > generally to protect myself and this radio station from your diatribes. > > Tom Ray > WOR I have noticed that you graciously answer posts in this hostile forum, and I appreciate it. I don't think you need to "protect" yourself or your station. I doubt anybody here could be any threat! But I think you know I have serious doubts about the implementation of IBOC as it relates to reception in rural America and Canada, and only time will tell. Either the AM stereo or the IBOC side of the discussion will have the opportunity to say "I told you so", while the other side eats crow. I intend to be a good winner or loser as the case will be, and have no doubt you will be the same. From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sun Sep 12 06:49:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70779 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2004 13:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2004 13:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.171) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2004 13:49:18 -0000 Received: from user-2076.l1.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.8.28] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C6UjF-0007re-NN for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:49:17 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:48:16 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.195.171 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: Virgin Radio 1215 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Kevin, Virgin Radio is in fact nation-wide on AM while on FM they use a single TX licensed to the capital here in London. Virgin is the only national AM commercial station. To my ears their stream sounds a whole deal nicer than their FM audio (they're probably using an Omnia 6, however I could be wrong). Here's one of their more interesting pages: http://www.virginradio.co.uk/thestation/freq/transmit.html#sat -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From alinton@iol.ie Sun Sep 12 08:09:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@iol.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10341 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2004 15:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2004 15:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail08.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net) (159.134.118.24) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2004 15:09:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 87012 messnum 3934823 invoked from network[159.134.221.196/159-134-221-196.as1.rtd.sligo.eircom.net]); 12 Sep 2004 15:09:08 -0000 Received: from 159-134-221-196.as1.rtd.sligo.eircom.net (HELO ALlaptop.eircom.net) (159.134.221.196) by mail08.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (qp 87012) with SMTP; 12 Sep 2004 15:09:08 -0000 Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040912160527.01e7f350@pop.iol.ie> X-Sender: alinton@pop.iol.ie X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 16:08:54 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 159.134.118.24 From: Andy Linton Subject: Re: {AMSF} Virgin Radio 1215 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139247314 X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie At 14:48 12/09/2004, you wrote: >Kevin, > >Virgin Radio is in fact nation-wide on AM while on FM they use a single >TX licensed to the capital here in London. > >Virgin is the only national AM commercial station. No it's not Phil, you forgot TalkSport, on 1053 and 1089 kHz AM nationwide. >To my ears their stream sounds a whole deal nicer than their FM audio >(they're probably using an Omnia 6, however I could be wrong). The FM is either an Omnia6 or an OmniaHOT - both of which would account for the distortion. I know they used to have a Cutting Edge Unity 2000 (ew) on the webstream, but I'd guess it's an OmniaNET now. They've been loyal to Omnias since Alex LAkey was their engineer. He had those typem of ears that think clipping distortion sounds good. I had a row/heated discussion about it once with him. Rgds Andy Linton Waterford Ireland. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 12 09:04:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54722 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2004 16:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2004 16:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52409.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.117) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2004 16:04:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20040912160405.83577.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.118] by web52409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 09:04:05 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 09:04:05 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20040912160527.01e7f350@pop.iol.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.117 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Virgin Radio 1215 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Andy Linton wrote: > At 14:48 12/09/2004, you wrote: > >Kevin, > > > >Virgin Radio is in fact nation-wide on AM while on > FM they use a single > >TX licensed to the capital here in London. > > > >Virgin is the only national AM commercial station. > > No it's not Phil, you forgot TalkSport, on 1053 and > 1089 kHz AM nationwide. > > > >To my ears their stream sounds a whole deal nicer > than their FM audio > >(they're probably using an Omnia 6, however I could > be wrong). > > The FM is either an Omnia6 or an OmniaHOT - both of > which would account for > the distortion. =*NO* THE **OMNIA** IS NOT THE REASON FOR THE DISTORTION, IMPROPER SET UP AND OPERATION IS!!! > I know they used to have a Cutting Edge Unity 2000 > (ew) on the webstream, > but I'd guess it's an OmniaNET now. They've been > loyal to Omnias since Alex > LAkey was their engineer. He had those typem of ears > that think clipping > distortion sounds good. I had a row/heated > discussion about it once with him. Andy, you can make ANY processor sound bad. It's just that a high powered DSP based one can be made to sound really bad if your ears can't hear the distortion. On the other hand with good hearing and knowledge you can make a station sound really great. And you should NEVER use a on air processor for ANY web based streaming. You will get in real trouble that way! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 13 02:02:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6377 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2004 09:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2004 09:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2004 09:02:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2004 09:02:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:02:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 538 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.9 Subject: Throw away your Optimod! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I am developing a new multiband audio processor based upon the "Sound Solution" WinAmp DSP plugin. The goal is to provide Optimod- like performance, for AM Stereo and FM Stereo processing as well as for web-casts and other audio applications. A sonically transparent processing scheme called the "Digital Statesman" has already been finished, and I'm working on a "Radio Statesman" scheme for AM/FM broadcasting use. Check out the following web page and let me know what you think: http://www.geocities.com/kevtronics/soundsol/ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Sep 13 04:23:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87027 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2004 11:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2004 11:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.187) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2004 11:23:34 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 04:21:04 -0700 Received: from 24.129.153.213 by bay12-dav13.bay12.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:21:04 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20040912160405.83577.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:24:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2004 11:21:04.0337 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1BCFC10:01C49983] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.187 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.129.153.213] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Virgin Radio 1215 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > =*NO* THE **OMNIA** IS NOT THE REASON FOR THE DISTORTION, IMPROPER SET UP AND OPERATION IS!!! I must agree! That Omnia on WLW sure sounds sweet! > > And you should NEVER use a on air processor for ANY web based streaming. I disagree! I can't think of the name of the radio station now, but there is an internet station that is streaming Reggae from the Carribian using a pair of DAP 310s that sounds pretty durn good! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 13 08:10:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53374 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2004 15:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2004 15:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2004 15:10:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20040913151018.76318.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:10:18 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:10:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.72 From: "John P." Subject: Get out your checkbooks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio A station on 620 is selling their Harris STX-1B AM Stereo Exciter on eBay; AM Stereo coming to a station near you soon! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From tomray@wor710.com Mon Sep 13 09:46:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53754 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2004 16:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2004 16:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2004 16:46:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2004 16:46:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:46:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 505 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: DXers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > Either the AM stereo or the IBOC side of the discussion will have > the opportunity to say "I told you so", while the other side eats > crow. I intend to be a good winner or loser as the case will be, > and have no doubt you will be the same. You bet I will. You don't know how something is going to fly until you try it out. If it doesn't, we go back to where we were. If it does, we make it work best we can. TR From alinton@iol.ie Mon Sep 13 10:39:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@iol.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81122 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2004 17:39:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2004 17:39:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail12.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net) (159.134.118.28) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2004 17:39:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 98030 messnum 6475810 invoked from network[159.134.221.58/159-134-221-58.as1.rtd.sligo.eircom.net]); 13 Sep 2004 17:39:03 -0000 Received: from 159-134-221-58.as1.rtd.sligo.eircom.net (HELO ALlaptop.eircom.net) (159.134.221.58) by mail12.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (qp 98030) with SMTP; 13 Sep 2004 17:39:03 -0000 Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040913183324.01d78000@pop.iol.ie> X-Sender: alinton@pop.iol.ie X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:38:46 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040912160405.83577.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6.1.1.1.0.20040912160527.01e7f350@pop.iol.ie> <20040912160405.83577.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 159.134.118.28 From: Andy Linton Subject: Re: {AMSF} Virgin Radio 1215 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139247314 X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie At 17:04 12/09/2004, you wrote: Hi Powell, I'm fully aware of the correct applications of audio processors, being a broadcast engineer specialising in audio processing. It's just my humble opinion that it's far harder to make the Omnia processors sound clean. My company is an Orban agent - that's not why I prefer them, but we're Orban agents BECAUSE we believe they are a better product. But this is of course my opinion, terms and conditions apply. rgds >Andy, you can make ANY processor sound bad. It's just >that a high powered DSP based one can be made to sound >really bad if your ears can't hear the distortion. On >the other hand with good hearing and knowledge you can >make a station sound really great. >And you should NEVER use a on air processor for ANY >web based streaming. You will get in real trouble that >way! > >Powell > > > > >===== >powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 13 13:32:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7122 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2004 20:32:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2004 20:32:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52401.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.109) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2004 20:32:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20040913203216.90924.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.90] by web52401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:32:16 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:32:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.109 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Virgin Radio 1215 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > =*NO* THE **OMNIA** IS NOT THE REASON FOR THE > DISTORTION, IMPROPER SET > UP AND OPERATION IS!!! > > I must agree! That Omnia on WLW sure sounds sweet! > > > > And you should NEVER use a on air processor for > ANY web based streaming. > I disagree! I can't think of the name of the radio > station now, but there is > an internet station that is streaming Reggae from > the Carribian using a pair > of DAP 310s that sounds pretty durn good! > Kevin in Tampa Well let me rephrase. IF you are going to use processing and CAN use a processor specifically for web based streaming. OTHERwise, you need to process very minimally unlike radio. Otherwise it will be unlistenable. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 13 13:35:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83618 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2004 20:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2004 20:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52402.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.110) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2004 20:35:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20040913203534.1169.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.90] by web52402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:35:34 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:35:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20040913183324.01d78000@pop.iol.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.110 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Virgin Radio 1215 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Andy Linton wrote: > At 17:04 12/09/2004, you wrote: > > Hi Powell, > > I'm fully aware of the correct applications of audio > processors, being a > broadcast engineer specialising in audio processing. > It's just my humble opinion that it's far harder to > make the Omnia > processors sound clean. My company is an Orban agent > - that's not why I > prefer them, but we're Orban agents BECAUSE we > believe they are a better > product. > But this is of course my opinion, terms and > conditions apply. > rgds But a the URBAN station here that uses an OMNIA sounds better than the other 3 who do NOT. It takes work and an ear. I do think the Orban based units sound better. A friend of mine has the 1460 with an Omnitronix and a 9200 sounding better than a lot of FM stations! He does have that "ear"..... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 13 20:30:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30577 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2004 03:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2004 03:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2004 03:30:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2004 03:30:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 03:30:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040913151018.76318.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 240 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.169 Subject: Re: Get out your checkbooks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > A station on 620 is selling their Harris STX-1B AM Stereo Exciter on eBay; AM > Stereo coming to a station near you soon! KGW, Portland, OR? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 14 02:14:21 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Sep 14 04:24:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63310 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2004 11:24:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2004 11:24:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2004 11:24:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2004 11:23:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:23:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040913203534.1169.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 193 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.20.78 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Virgin Radio 1215 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Virgin sounds terrible, one of the worse sounding AM'ers in the UK. Talksport and Radio 10 gold are far better Fortunatly Virgin is country wide on DAB also at 160k stereo plus 192k on Sky From sampsonkat@yahoo.com Tue Sep 14 07:03:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: sampsonkat@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13143 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2004 14:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2004 14:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2004 14:03:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2004 14:03:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:03:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 112 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "sampsonkat" X-Originating-IP: 4.252.24.69 Subject: Ceramic resonator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154173507 X-Yahoo-Profile: sampsonkat Hi, Anyone know where to get a 3.6MHZ (450X8) ceramic resonator for the oscillator section of a MC13022? Thanks From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 15 12:23:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35891 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2004 19:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2004 19:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2004 19:23:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2004 19:23:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:23:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 215 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.41 Subject: (OT) Ivan the Terrible X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie To all those living along the Gulf Coast and inland reaches likely to feel the worst of the hurricane, my prayers are with you. God willing, you'll have homes and jobs to come home to. In peace, Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From cbreton27@hotmail.com Wed Sep 15 13:28:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7189 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2004 20:27:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2004 20:27:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2004 20:27:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:24:47 -0700 Received: from 69.157.142.95 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:24:47 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:24:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2004 20:24:47.0455 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B753EF0:01C49B62] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.78 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.142.95] Subject: Ivan the terrible X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi gang ! It's was interesting listening to wwl 870 last night, taking calls and talking about the weather. It's a very far place for me, i'm in the province of quebec (canada) Good luck for those living in the path of ivan, hope it will not be that bad !! Christian _________________________________________________________________ MSN Calendar vous aide à vous organiser et simplifie la planification des rencontres. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-ca&page=features/calendar Commencez dès maintenant à profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 15 14:43:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40196 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2004 21:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2004 21:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2004 21:43:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2004 21:43:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:42:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 828 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.5 Subject: OT: salesdroids X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Today I was reminded of another reason why it's better to shop on the Internet: you don't have to be bothered by salespeople -- or "salesdroids", as I like to call them -- who know less than you. I was in "Electronics Expo", a supposedly "high-end" audio/video store, when I asked if they have any DVD players which can play DVD Audio or Super Audio CD discs. The salesdroid had absolutely no clue what those two formats were, and after explaining to him that a DVD Audio disc is a DVD with music on it, he proceeded to tell me that "all our DVD players can play music CDs". I then pointed to a Sony model on the shelf which said "DVD Audio / Super Audio CD" right on its front panel, and he still didn't get it. Okay, rant over... but feel free to add your own rants about your experiences with "salesdroids".... From dav259@csiro.au Wed Sep 15 17:02:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36682 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 00:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2004 00:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail3.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.14) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 00:02:39 -0000 Received: from csiromail3.vic.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with SMTP id D1F3D54032 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:02:38 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by csiromail3.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEE6454014 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:02:38 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8G02cfB004843 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:02:38 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:02:38 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.2.14 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Radio Shack / Tandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Kevin T. wrote: > Okay, rant over... but feel free to add your own rants about your > experiences with "salesdroids".... Good old Russell has been running our local Tandy outlet for 15 years or so. He seems knowledgeable enough. (Certainly more than me. Hmmm - well he impresses me anyway.) He was telling me over the weekend that Tandy is now owned by Woolworths (the Aussie giant - nothing to do with the US Woolworths) - so effectively it is now in bed with Dick Smith Electronics - also owned by Woolies. He also said that Radio Shack doesn't own Radio Shack Canada any more - but so far is still contracted to run it on a day to day basis. Does anyone know why Tandy Corporation is ridding itself of foreign Radio Shacks? Ian Melbourne From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Sep 15 17:07:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2186 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 00:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2004 00:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 00:07:03 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.5.10.101]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20040916000659.NRXE26221.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:06:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:07:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <555A6B44-0774-11D9-A1F7-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.29 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Shack / Tandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wednesday, September 15, 2004, at 05:02 PM, Ian Davidson wrote: > He was telling me over the weekend that Tandy is now owned by > Woolworths > (the Aussie giant - nothing to do with the US Woolworths) - so > effectively > it is now in bed with Dick Smith Electronics - also owned by Woolies. > Does this mean that those Radio Shacks actually carry electronics??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Sep 15 17:07:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30861 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 00:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2004 00:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 00:07:25 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.22.96]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:07:22 -0600 Message-ID: <005b01c49b81$98c2b480$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:10:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2004 00:07:22.0900 (UTC) FILETIME=[23EC6D40:01C49B81] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ceramic resonator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Listmember Chris Cuff had a few last I knew. If those have dried up you can still do the same thing with a parallel resonant LC circuit. Just be sure to put a .01uF cap in series with it for DC blocking. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "sampsonkat" > Anyone know where to get a 3.6MHZ (450X8) ceramic resonator for the > oscillator section of a MC13022? From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Sep 15 17:08:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62078 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 00:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2004 00:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 00:08:40 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.22.96]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:08:39 -0600 Message-ID: <006301c49b81$c6a057e0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:11:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2004 00:08:39.0785 (UTC) FILETIME=[51C02590:01C49B81] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Get out your checkbooks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I was going to guess WTMJ Milwaukee. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: > > A station on 620 is selling their Harris STX-1B AM Stereo Exciter > on eBay; AM > > Stereo coming to a station near you soon! > > KGW, Portland, OR? From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Sep 15 17:23:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24375 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 00:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2004 00:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 00:23:07 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.22.96]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:23:04 -0600 Message-ID: <008901c49b83$caa5c8a0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20040913151018.76318.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:26:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2004 00:23:05.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[55C9B500:01C49B83] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Get out your checkbooks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Where did it say it was set to 620? Considering the seller is in WI, my WTMJ guess is probably pretty good, though West Bend is closer to Eau Claire in east-central WI. Looks like there's some serious bidding going on there. I'd have to win the lottery or some such to be able to enter the fray. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > A station on 620 is selling their Harris STX-1B AM Stereo Exciter on eBay; AM > Stereo coming to a station near you soon! From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Sep 15 17:33:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90744 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 00:33:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2004 00:33:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.241.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 00:33:36 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.5.10.101]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20040916003335.IOMM27649.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:33:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:33:35 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <008901c49b83$caa5c8a0$d503fea9@home1> Message-Id: <0B573186-0778-11D9-A1F7-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.36 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: KFI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I suppose you already know that KFI turned on the buzz saws. Must have changed engineers. The old one said he'd never allow it. Richard From dav259@csiro.au Wed Sep 15 17:51:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89303 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 00:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2004 00:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail3.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.14) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 00:51:24 -0000 Received: from csiromail3.vic.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 2443A54032 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:51:22 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by csiromail3.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CD25402B for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:51:22 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8G0pLfB007176 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:51:21 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:51:21 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: <555A6B44-0774-11D9-A1F7-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.2.14 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Shack / Tandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Does this mean that those Radio Shacks actually carry electronics??? No. The Tandy stores here are much the same as always - and they advertise separately to Dick Smith's. The only big change in the stores in recent years is that they now sell pretty much all the major brands - whereas they used to only sell their own - Radio Shack, Realistic, etc. Russell said the Digitor brand (which is prominent in Tandy) is Dick Smith's house brand. Dick Smith Electronics has also created the DSE brand - very cheap but reportedly good stuff. From tomray@wor710.com Wed Sep 15 18:32:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67863 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 01:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2004 01:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 01:32:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2004 01:32:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:32:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006301c49b81$c6a057e0$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 215 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Get out your checkbooks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I was going to guess WTMJ Milwaukee. > Considering they just went or will be going IBOC any day now, my guess is not likely. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Wed Sep 15 18:33:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77382 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 01:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2004 01:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 01:33:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2004 01:32:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:32:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0B573186-0778-11D9-A1F7-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 319 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: KFI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I suppose you already know that KFI turned on the buzz saws. > > Must have changed engineers. The old one said he'd never allow it. > > Richard When corporate says do it, you do it. Or you look for employment elesewhere. Tom Ray WOR From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Sep 15 18:57:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14873 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 01:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2004 01:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.241.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 01:57:52 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.5.10.101]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20040916015750.JYEV27649.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:57:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:57:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.36 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KFI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable True. And as you have mentioned before, SOMEONE has to test it! When I=20 called, it was a different name on the message tape; someone I THINK I=20 know from Emmis at KMGG ... I wonder if he moved to Clear Channel. I haven't had a chance to hear it on my wideband radios, but the=20 narrowband sets have only a slight hiss in the background of KFI's=20 signal itself. The adjacent channels are heavily covered, though. I=20 hope no one is on 620 through 660 in the Western US! On a similar subject, Tom, has anyone ever determined what happens when=20 digital signals overlap? It would seem that the system would work=20 better if analog were gone completely. (That's one of the questions I=20 mean to ask you when I get the time for a real interview of you and=20 Terry). Richard On Wednesday, September 15, 2004, at 06:32 PM, Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > I suppose you already know that KFI turned on the buzz saws. > > > > Must have changed engineers. The old one said he'd never allow it. > > > > Richard > > > When corporate says do it, you do it.=A0 Or you look for employment > elesewhere. > > Tom Ray > WOR > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Sep 16 01:46:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54500 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 08:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2004 08:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 08:46:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2004 08:45:23 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34773 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 02:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2004 02:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 02:21:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2004 02:20:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 02:20:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 257 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Radio Disney airchecks - ?00 MB - where2upload? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Sep 2004 08:45:19 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 I have at least several hundred MB's (maybe even a few GB's) of unscoped Radio Disney airchecks recorded off of KDIS 1110. Is there a place I can upload them? My website run off of my brother's computer can't handle it due to limited space and bandwidth. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 16 01:51:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82895 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 08:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2004 08:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 08:51:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2004 08:51:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:51:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 514 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.5 Subject: Re: KFI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > When corporate says do it, you do it. Or you look for employment > elesewhere. As Arthur Schwartz can attest.... rumour has it WOR wanted him to do ads on his show for restaurants which he couldn't honestly recommend, so he either "resigned" or was shown the door. But rather than following Joey Reynolds' legacy of nailing his shoes to the station's door with the message "Fill these!", I bet he nailed his frying pan to the door.... From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Sep 16 06:04:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9189 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 13:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2004 13:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 13:04:18 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.23.72]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:04:16 -0600 Message-ID: <002301c49bee$22052220$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:07:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2004 13:04:17.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC6FD0A0:01C49BED] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Get out your checkbooks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think you missed something, Tom- this was a for sale item. If WTMJ is going IBOC then it would stand to reason they would be selling their old AM stereo gear. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Get out your checkbooks > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > I was going to guess WTMJ Milwaukee. > > > Considering they just went or will be going IBOC any day now, my > guess is not likely. > > Tom Ray > WOR > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Sep 16 06:14:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79098 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 13:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2004 13:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 13:14:02 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.23.72]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:14:00 -0600 Message-ID: <003101c49bef$7df65080$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:17:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2004 13:14:01.0202 (UTC) FILETIME=[084DC520:01C49BEF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Fringe listeners- was: KFI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude This whole IBOC thing has me in a conundrum. The WPEN engineer says their new IBOC audio is fantastic to listen to, and I'm all in favor of better audio. Yet we can't get over the fact there is a lot of adjacent carrier interference. WOR may not be concerned about its fringe listenership, but I know all three of my stations have a lot of listeners around the edges. Plus the boss will be thrilled when I tell him that most of our transmitters will have to be replaced. So far no mandates from Salem HQ for this stuff. I will certainly comply if they do. In the mean time I'm not sure what I'll tell the listeners we'll be losing to this hash. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" > When corporate says do it, you do it. Or you look for employment > elesewhere. From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Sep 16 06:34:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36060 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 13:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2004 13:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 13:34:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2004 13:34:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:34:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1783 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KFI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I couldn't get enough of KFI in Dallas to verify that they are digital, but since I usually get them very well - I wonder if the softer analog is having an effect on their coverage? I did finally hear the digital sidebands of WSAI last night, the term "buzz saw" is really more descriptive of the sound than hiss. It is not interfering with KOKC 1520 reception in Dallas, but that is only because they come in from different angles. The disturbing thing here is that the buzz saws are somewhat louder in modulation than normal station audio, and this was on a GE Superradio narrow mode, optimized for even more selectivity. Next time I am in Oklahoma City, I will check how bad it is in their suburbs. Based on the WSAI sideband volume level, I think it has a serious potential to limit KOKC coverage in the suburbs of Oklahoma City at night. If I were KOKC, I would strongly consider filing a complaint with the FCC. WSAI's analog signal did not sound too bad. It wasn't all that soft and seemed to have decent bandwidth, but then there are a lot of interfering stations on 1530, so I am used to lousy audio from them anyway. I don't have a lot of luck on WSAI in wide band mode, but I will try tonight to see how bad the self-jamming sounds. Given the cheap, wide band ceramic filter IF in most new radios - I suspect self jamming will be the motivation for most stations to eventually turn IBOC off. That, and reduced coverage due to low modulation of the analog signal. Bad engineering on the part of Ibiquity. Really bad! I don't see how digital stations could co-exist on adjacent frequencies, even far apart. If only the FCC would allow that level of modulation on analog that they allow on digital - coverage would really increase. From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Sep 16 06:53:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77998 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 13:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2004 13:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 13:53:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2004 13:53:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:53:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003101c49bef$7df65080$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2486 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: Fringe listeners- was: KFI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > will have to be replaced. So far no mandates from Salem HQ for this stuff. > I will certainly comply if they do. In the mean time I'm not sure what I'll > tell the listeners we'll be losing to this hash. So far, I have not heard of any mandates from ABC / Disney to convert their network. I don't work for them, but know top people at the network. There are enough C-Quam listeners in Dallas to justify continuing AM stereo, and kids listen on the newer, cheap, one ceramic filter, wideband radios. They would definitely notice a narrower bandwidth. They are pleased at the splendid 300 mile daytime coverage of 620. Why fix the station when it isn't broken? Like all engineers, I do what I am told. I remember converting a perfectly good, efficient 800 watt transmitter / 5 bay / 2200 watt ERP FM over to a 6000 watt transmitter / 1 bay / 1800 watt ERP FM on the whim of an owner, who converted back when he saw his horrendously increased electric bill!!!! He did get rid of picket fencing in the fringes of his listening area briefly - once you were over the horizon, clunk - GONE. We as engineers do have a voice, though, and we should use it. I am starting to advise AM clients that there is a potential for coverage loss due to softer modulation and self-jamming on inexpensive radios. The potential to lose listeners right now due to less coverage and increased noise on the audio speaks loudly to station owners! What speaks even louder is the cost of doing the conversion to some of the little stations. A lot of them never will convert based on cost alone. And they would rather shut down than bear that cost if analog is discontinued in the future. I don't think IBOC will fly in the long run, even though it is being crammed down everybody's throats. I would love to have a viable digital / stereo / increased bandwidth system for AM. I just don't think this is it. The ideal system would be compatible with existing transmitters and tower arrays, allow C-Quam to co-exist, leave the analog bandwidth and modulation alone, and not cause adjacent channel interference. One client owns low power AM's on two sides of the area on adjacent frequencies, and doesn't want to jam both stations over the densly populated area! Right now, it is a sweet situation for him, where one AM fades out, the other one starts to come in. Both Dallas and Ft. Worth coverage from two small stations that are inexpensive to operate. From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Sep 16 08:19:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70598 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 15:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2004 15:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 15:19:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2004 15:19:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:19:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0B573186-0778-11D9-A1F7-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 746 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: KFI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I suppose you already know that KFI turned on the buzz saws. OMG, you should hear this! I don't know what the heck they did, but they are now one of the worst sounding stations I've ever heard, period. The two locals who previously switched on the IBOC sound much better. So does the Cal-Trans TIS down the street. Not only is the bandwidth narrower and the background buzzy, but there's this weird sort of spitty whistling noise that follows the program material. Either they're having technical problems, or everybody over there is deaf. I can't imagine that they won't be getting complaints--it sounds horrid even on the narrowest bandwidth radios. From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Sep 16 09:04:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47537 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 16:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2004 16:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52401.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.109) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 16:04:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20040916160406.18469.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.85] by web52401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:04:06 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:04:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.109 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KFI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Bruce Carter wrote: > WSAI's analog signal did not sound too bad. It > wasn't all that soft > and seemed to have decent bandwidth, but then there > are a lot of > interfering stations on 1530, so I am used to lousy > audio from them > anyway. > > I don't have a lot of luck on WSAI in wide band > mode, but I will try > tonight to see how bad the self-jamming sounds. But if you listen to it very long it's very irritating. And the music sounds WEIRD if you really know the music enough to know what it sounds like, even on a cheap transistor radio. ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 16 12:47:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8727 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 19:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2004 19:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14224.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 19:47:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20040916194727.77806.qmail@web14224.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14224.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:47:27 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:47:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.171.108 From: "John P." Subject: Foreign Radio Shacks & DSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio some wrote: "Does this mean that those Radio Shacks actually carry electronics???" I went to Canada this summer - to visit the stereo AM CFCO studios - and stopped at their Radio Shack; what a breath of fresh air! In Canada, they still have parts on pegs on the walls where you can see them, and more parts than what the US stores had 10 years ago. In Canada they actually sell electronics, many many different styles of radios (imagine that- "RADIO" shack), music/keyboards and computer needs. You get service right away because they have several sales people to ring-up your order without getting stuck behind a customer for 20 minutes while they program their cellphone for them. They push the long distance services, but NOT cellphones (at least not yet). I am very impressed with the Canadian Radio Shacks - and I stopped in one in Windsor, and it was the same way too - decent. I would love to have the 1980's version of Dick Smith Electronics (DSE) from OZ here in the States. Actually, I think that they did have a store in California in addition to the Australian stores in the 80's, PLUS they had MAILORDER in the USA. DSE had some teriffic electronics KITS, and I even bought an AM STEREO Converter kit from DSE which decoded HARRIS and CQUAM, depending on the pilot. They had marvelous audio kits, educational kits, and jokes too; for example: for just $1000 you could buy the 'DSE Co-Tanger' "Universal Antenna Kit" - it was basically a CoaT hanger bent to fit the application! Does DSE have an IBOC kit? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 17 06:01:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72352 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2004 13:01:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2004 13:01:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14221.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.105) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2004 13:01:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20040917130124.28891.qmail@web14221.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14221.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 06:01:24 PDT Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 06:01:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.171.105 From: "John P." Subject: Beware: Wrath of Kahn X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From the pages of Radio World: "Date posted: 2004-09-16 Kahn Not Happy With Radio World Noted AM Stereo engineer Leonard Kahn is not happy with Radio World's coverage of either IBOC or his Cam-D system. In a letter received by IMAS Publishing this week he states Radio World "staged" an interview with Buckley Broadcasting's Corporate Director of Engineering, took his FCC filings out of context and that we may have conducted ourselves unprofessionally by showing a "willingness to participate in a plan to deceive the broadcasters and, the public they serve" regarding the engineering characteristics of the IBOC system. In the letter, Kahn notifies Radio World that he will never be interviewed by our publication, or any of our publications, in the future. An opinion piece by Kahn appears in our current edition." I'd still interview Lenny if I could - he still has engineering smarts over the decades, but just not PR smarts. He needs one of the political PR people! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Sep 17 06:46:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90510 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2004 13:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2004 13:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2004 13:46:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.61] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2004 13:46:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:46:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040916160406.18469.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3033 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: WSAI self-jams!!!! (was Re: KFI) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I can now confirm it - IBOC self jams on broadband radios! I got a pretty good copy on it last night and switched the GE Superradio over to wide. I could hear the digital sidebands almost as loud as the music. Horrendous - and completely unlistenable! Since those cheap orange plastic 455 kHz ceramic filters are in virtually all new AM radios, with their crummy selectivity and resulting wide audio bandwidth - I don't see how anybody using a $5 clock radio could listen to an IBOC station! This means that the public is being forced to digital - NOW - and all existing AM radios are being obsoleted - NOW! At least the new ones. It is time to start getting the word out to the public. I am going to get data sheets and reference schematics for the two most commonly used IC's in new radios and post them here as proof that all new radios will be susceptible to AM IBOC self-jamming. Because their performance on FM is very good (see the discussion in the high end FM tuners group), these IC's will soon be in EVERY radio made - low parts count, cheap, easy to design - this is even more certain than the IBOC debacle itself. The basic design fallacy of IBOC AM is that all AM radios have less than 4 kHz of audio response. It is true that the old 3 IF can designs had low bandwidth - the high parts count and associated cost, physical size, and unreliability has forced simplification to one cheap ceramic filter IF - with the side effect that all radios based on this design are wideband with really crummy selectivity. Great for listening to mono music, and talk radio shows really sound good, especially the commercials. Human speech does have sidebands above 3 kHz you know. Speech ain't pure sine waves, and my own forays on the air prove that on air check tapes ---- I design analog filters for TI customers. Even the old 3 can IF designs didn't cut off like a brick wall at 3 kHz. They roll off slowly. Modulation of the volume I heard last night 5 kHz away will intrude and mix with analog audio. But throw a radio with crummy selectivity into the mix, and those sidebands will punch through - full volume!!! Just because a station can broadcast with a brick wall filter at 5 kHz to make room for the digital sidebands does not mean that all radios receiving the signal have brick wall filters in them. This is the fallacy of IBOC - and will be its downfall. In a lot of ways, I wanted this to work. It would have worked, if only Toko and the other coil makers could have kept the market for AM radios a little longer. By aggressive price cutting, they held off ceramic filters for years. But the inevitable happened, Toko and the IF can people probably took the hit financially and if they were smart started making cheap ceramic filters. Now we are stuck with cheap ferrite bar / tuning cap / IC / one osc coil / one ceramic filter and a handful of passive component AM radios that absolutely will not work with IBOC!!! Warn everybody you can! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 17 08:36:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5280 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2004 15:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2004 15:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2004 15:36:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2004 15:36:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:36:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1424 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.14 Subject: WSAI self-jams!!!! (was Re: KFI) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > I can now confirm it - IBOC self jams on broadband radios! One of the four receivers iBiquity tested was a Sony boom-box, whose AM tuner was built like you describe. iBiquity dismissed it as a "low-cost wideband tuner with poor selectivity" -- and pointed in favor of the three other radios they tested, which were all much narrower in bandwidth and had correspondingly less-degraded results with IBOC. But the problem with that is that cheap low-selectivity radios are everywhere -- boom-boxes, clock radios, Walkmans, etc. And these radios are also the most likely to have analog tuning, which causes the most trouble with IBOC because many people tune their radio for the best sound, rather than the best selectivity, and on AM that typically occurs when the receiver is off-tuned by a few kHz. With a normal AM signal, that brightens up the treble response, but with an IBOC signal, all you get is louder and more annoying background hiss. And in retrospect, it is interesting to see the way priorities have changed. For example, the Harris AM Stereo system had trouble gaining acceptance because it could cause some distortion on existing mono AM radios. But now, IBOC causes problems many, many times worse on existing AM radios, and the radio industry and the FCC are nearly tripping over themselves to accept it? From tomray@wor710.com Fri Sep 17 09:25:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29058 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2004 16:25:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2004 16:25:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2004 16:25:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2004 16:25:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:25:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1609 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: KFI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > On a similar subject, Tom, has anyone ever determined what happens when > digital signals overlap? It would seem that the system would work > better if analog were gone completely. (That's one of the questions I > mean to ask you when I get the time for a real interview of you and > Terry). Hi Richard: On the testing we've done with WLW : and granted there was no one on 720 during those tests : it appears that the IBOC signal is robust enough to ignore the interfering signal. Best place to see this was in WOR's null. We've proven that, north of Paramus, NJ, the IBOC signal decodes almost 100% from our lower sideband. The way we proved this was by reducing the IBOC sideband power, one sideband at a time, and going for a ride. With the upper sideband lowered, there was virtually no change in digital coverage up route 17. With the lower sideband lowered, however, we had digital coverage issues north of Paramus. That being said, when we were testing with WLW, we did not experience a coverage difference on the route 17 drive with WLW operating IBOC. We were able to clearly see their IBOC carriers on a spectrum analyzer, but they didn't affect WOR's coverage. And you're right....the system will work better with the analog gone. Two reasons for that. First, the IBOC carriers move in and now occupy the area formerly occupied by the analog signal. Second, the magnitude of the IBOC carriers can be increased with the analog gone, making the signal more robust. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Sep 17 09:26:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30751 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2004 16:26:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2004 16:26:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2004 16:26:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2004 16:26:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:26:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 519 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: KFI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > As Arthur Schwartz can attest.... rumour has it WOR wanted him to do > ads on his show for restaurants which he couldn't honestly recommend, > so he either "resigned" or was shown the door. > > But rather than following Joey Reynolds' legacy of nailing his shoes > to the station's door with the message "Fill these!", I bet he nailed > his frying pan to the door.... And it was hell getting the nails through that pan bottom! TR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Sep 17 09:27:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78118 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2004 16:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2004 16:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2004 16:27:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2004 16:27:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:27:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c49bee$22052220$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 399 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Get out your checkbooks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I think you missed something, Tom- this was a for sale item. If WTMJ is > going IBOC then it would stand to reason they would be selling their old AM > stereo gear. > > Scott Todd You're right. I took the messages as speculation that WTMJ would be buying this gear. Maybe if I put my glasses on right side up..... 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From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Sep 17 16:41:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23300 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2004 23:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2004 23:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.18.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2004 23:41:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:41:38 -0700 Received: from 209.240.205.63 by by24fd.bay24.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:41:37 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereo@bellsouth.net Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:41:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2004 23:41:38.0251 (UTC) FILETIME=[E01131B0:01C49D0F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.18.72 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.63] Subject: WPOP, 1410 Hartford Ct X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 For those interested (just discovered this) xm radio, channel 6, the 60 channels, is re-creating WPOP, with their jingles etc from the mid 1960's. Donn St Petersburg,FL From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 17 17:00:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45977 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2004 23:59:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2004 23:59:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2004 23:59:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2004 23:59:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:59:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 919 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.14 Subject: WSAI self-jams!!!! (was Re: KFI) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Speaking of self-jamming, my father made the mistake of tuning in WOR while listening to the stock Chrysler AMAX radio in a 1995 Jeep. Ouch, my ears! The persistent hissssss and high-end clipping distortion was absolutely atrocious to listen to. It was only tolerable with the 10 kHz equalizer control turned all the way down, but then that made the audio even less intelligible. Switching to any other AM station resulted in an immediate and very drastic improvement in clarity and treble response. If everyone had an AMAX receiver, no one would accept IBOC's hissy, clippy 5 kHz audio. The claimed "compatibility with existing receivers" is simply not true if your radio doesn't brick-wall its audio at 5 kHz or less. Volkswagen's current OEM car radios have AM audio that brick-walls at 6 kHz, and even with that one extra kHz of response, you can still hear the background hiss on an IBOC station. From tomray@wor710.com Fri Sep 17 17:50:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63735 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 00:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2004 00:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 00:50:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2004 00:50:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 00:50:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 202 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: a very cool link X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray A friend sent me this link. It's loaded with radio print ads from yesteryear.....make sure to give the page time to fully load and enjoy! http://knowston.homestead.com/gallery1.html Tom Ray WOR From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Sep 17 18:14:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36096 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 01:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2004 01:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52401.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.109) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 01:14:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20040918011426.7412.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.98] by web52401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:14:26 PDT Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:14:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.109 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: OH Bruce Carter.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Thanks to the posting of the FM Tuners group, someone mentioned the SRF-49 and the newer SRF-59. So I went out to Circuit City and they matched Sony's cheaper on line price. SCREAMING sensitivity on AM. I don't think it can end up being converted to IBOC with 1 AA. Bruce, want to modify my SRF-49? Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Sep 17 22:52:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32357 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 05:52:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2004 05:52:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.241.30) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 05:52:44 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.5.10.101]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20040918055238.BBKU2832.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 01:52:38 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:52:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.30 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} a very cool link X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That IS a cool link. I noticed one ad for WABC has a CBS logo on the side of the microphone.=20 What's up with that? Anyone have the story? On Friday, September 17, 2004, at 05:50 PM, Tom Ray wrote: > A friend sent me this link.=A0 It's loaded with radio print ads from > yesteryear.....make sure to give the page time to fully load and > enjoy! > > http://knowston.homestead.com/gallery1.html > > Tom Ray > > WOR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 18 00:03:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32480 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 07:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2004 07:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 07:03:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2004 07:03:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 07:03:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 368 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.41 Subject: Part 15 DRM possible?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Will we be seeing- or rather, hearing- Part 15 and pirate DRM broadcasts soon? Looks like that may become a possibility, thanks to HamDream, an open-source expansion on the open-source DReaM software receiver, allowing for transmission and a lower audio IF for decoding and encoding. http://www.qslnet.de/member/hb9tlk/ http://www.qsl.net/hb9tlk Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Sep 18 00:11:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28414 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 07:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2004 07:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 07:11:33 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.94]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.2.315.0) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 03:17:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c49d4e$9fd40a20$5eb10642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 03:10:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPOP, 1410 Hartford Ct X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I grew up with them- We moved to CT in ' 68, and it was WDRC and WPOP that were all we listened to after Bob Steeles' morning show. Great stuff Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Donn Tillman To: amstereo@bellsouth.net Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: {AMSF} WPOP, 1410 Hartford Ct For those interested (just discovered this) xm radio, channel 6, the 60 channels, is re-creating WPOP, with their jingles etc from the mid 1960's. Donn St Petersburg,FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 18 00:19:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83289 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 07:19:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2004 07:19:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 07:19:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2004 07:19:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 07:19:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 59 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.41 Subject: Re: Part 15 DRM possible?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Additionally: http://drm.sourceforge.net/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 18 03:26:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29038 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 10:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2004 10:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 10:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.124.13.109 with login) by smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 10:26:52 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c49d69$afe0f8e0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 03:24:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.83 From: Subject: Delta ASE 1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I still need help with the Detla ASE 1 !!!! Will $pay$ $money$. Do need help. With one of your guys help you will being doing what this site is ment for and thats puting a new AM STEREO station on the air and that will make me feal very good. And you will not haft to wery about this station going IBOC because it being a very small station. Please help me and my local station for the cause .Thanks Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brucec@mindspring.com Sat Sep 18 06:16:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4779 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 13:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2004 13:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 13:16:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2004 13:15:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:15:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040918011426.7412.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 530 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.226.42.90 Subject: Re: OH Bruce Carter.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Sure - it would give me a chance to put one through its paces --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > Thanks to the posting of the FM Tuners group, someone > mentioned the SRF-49 and the newer SRF-59. So I went > out to Circuit City and they matched Sony's cheaper on > line price. SCREAMING sensitivity on AM. I don't think > it can end up being converted to IBOC with 1 AA. > > Bruce, want to modify my SRF-49? > > > Powell > > ===== > powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From tomray@wor710.com Sat Sep 18 09:04:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95672 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 16:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2004 16:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 16:03:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2004 16:03:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 16:03:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 762 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: a very cool link X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > That IS a cool link. > > I noticed one ad for WABC has a CBS logo on the side of the microphone. > What's up with that? Anyone have the story? > The original call letters of WCBS were WABC, the Atlantic Broadcasting Company. CBS was formed as a network operation and, having no radio station of its own in NYC, purchased what was WABC and it became WCBS. A bit of history.....WOR actually originated the inaugural broadcast of the CBS Radio Network, and was THE NYC CBS affiliate until CBS purchased what is now WCBS. CBS wanted to purchase WOR, but Bamberger's wanted too much $ for the station. You may have nocied an ad for WJZ, 770. That then became WABC. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Sat Sep 18 09:07:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79044 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 16:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2004 16:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 16:07:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2004 16:07:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 16:07:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c49d4e$9fd40a20$5eb10642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 781 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPOP, 1410 Hartford Ct X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I grew up with them- We moved to CT in ' 68, and it was WDRC and WPOP that were all we listened to after Bob Steeles' morning show. Great stuff > Chris And what did the DJ's at WPOP call themselves (they may not have in '68, but they did earlier in the '60's)? The WPOP Good Guys. I still have a sweatshirt from them with the WPOP logo and The WPOP Good Guys on it. Of course, I haven't been able to fit into it for 40 years...... Their studio was in their transmitter building on Cedar St. in Newington.....a little hole in the wall as opposed to "The Big D", with their studios formed in the shape of a D on the 15th floor of 750 Main Street in Hartford. Ahhh...the good old days! Tom Ray WOR From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 18 09:38:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73811 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 16:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2004 16:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52409.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.117) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 16:38:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20040918163758.95128.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.104] by web52409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 09:37:58 PDT Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 09:37:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.117 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 DRM possible?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > Will we be seeing- or rather, hearing- Part 15 and > pirate DRM > broadcasts soon? Looks like that may become a > possibility, thanks to > HamDream, an open-source expansion on the > open-source DReaM software > receiver, allowing for transmission and a lower > audio IF for decoding > and encoding. > > http://www.qslnet.de/member/hb9tlk/ > http://www.qsl.net/hb9tlk > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Supposedly the Ham Dream will NOT decode on a regular DRM decoder due to differences. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Sep 18 09:53:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99585 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 16:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2004 16:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao06.cox.net) (68.230.241.33) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 16:53:55 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.5.10.101]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20040918165045.QEEH24219.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 12:50:45 -0400 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 09:50:47 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.33 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: a very cool link X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gosh, you're right. ABC didn't exist as a network yet, did it? Still a funny situation. Reminds me of an intersection of Beach and=20 McDonald Avenues in Huntington Beach, CA. There is a Burger King on one=20 corner and a Jack in the Box on the other ... but no McDonalds. On Saturday, September 18, 2004, at 09:03 AM, Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > That IS a cool link. > > > > I noticed one ad for WABC has a CBS logo on the side of the=20 > microphone. > > What's up with that? Anyone have the story? > > > > > The original call letters of WCBS were WABC, the Atlantic Broadcasting > Company.=A0 CBS was formed as a network operation and, having no radio > station of its own in NYC, purchased what was WABC and it became WCBS. > A bit of history.....WOR actually originated the inaugural broadcast > of the CBS Radio Network, and was THE NYC CBS affiliate until CBS > purchased what is now WCBS. CBS wanted to purchase WOR, but > Bamberger's wanted too much $ for the station. > > You may have nocied an ad for WJZ, 770.=A0 That then became WABC. > > Tom Ray > WOR > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 18 10:56:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72457 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 17:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2004 17:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 17:56:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2004 17:56:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 17:56:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040918163758.95128.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1206 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.41 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 DRM possible?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > Supposedly the Ham Dream will NOT decode on a regular > DRM decoder due to differences. Maybe not the hardcoded ones, like FhG's software decoder or any of the hardware decoders expected to be out next year. (There are no hardware decoders currently available.) However, it has been tested with the non-ham version of DReaM, the open-source software receiver (and now transmitter), and does in fact work. Of course, just the fact DReaM now has transmitter funcionality- nevermind HamDream- this should mean true DRM broadcasting capability for any who so desire with reasonable affordability. Within a year, I would not be surprised to see pirates and Part-15 types broadcasting, or at least experimenting, with DRM. Try THAT with IBOC! (And just as a caveat with DRM or any digital broadcasting under 30MHz, I strongly urge listening to the samples on this page: http://www.owdjim.gen.nz/chris/radio/DRM/ Digital is NOT a panacea for LW/MW/SW broadcasting, but moreso an experimental curiosity, and not something I think is reasonably reliable enough in comparison to, say, DSP-AM.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 18 12:13:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7547 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 19:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2004 19:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 19:12:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2004 19:12:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 19:12:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c49d69$afe0f8e0$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 782 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.15.189 Subject: Re: Delta ASE 1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Hi Come on guys thats what this forum is ment for to put more AMS stations on the air and i have more work for some one to. I allso have a Harris AMS G1 on the way to and it needs retuneing allso!!!! Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hi Gang I still need help with the Detla ASE 1 !!!! Will $pay$ $money$. Do need help. With one of your guys help you will being doing what this site is ment for and thats puting a new AM STEREO station on the air and that will make me feal very good. And you will not haft to wery about this station going IBOC because it being a very small station. Please help me and my local station for the cause .Thanks Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Sat Sep 18 12:18:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12635 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 19:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2004 19:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 19:18:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2004 19:18:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 19:18:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 447 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: a very cool link X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Gosh, you're right. ABC didn't exist as a network yet, did it? > > Still a funny situation. Reminds me of an intersection of Beach and > McDonald Avenues in Huntington Beach, CA. There is a Burger King on one > corner and a Jack in the Box on the other ... but no McDonalds. > I'd ask what you'd get if they combined, but that would be a scary proposition. TR From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 18 12:32:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26377 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 19:32:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2004 19:32:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 19:32:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2004 19:32:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 19:32:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 336 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.241 Subject: Re: Delta ASE 1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > Hi Come on guys thats what this forum is ment for to put more AMS > stations on the air and i have more work for some one to. I allso > have a Harris AMS G1 on the way to and it needs retuneing allso!!!! If I had the money.... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomray@wor710.com Sat Sep 18 12:39:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24168 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 19:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2004 19:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 19:39:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2004 19:39:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 19:39:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1082 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: WPOP, 1410 Hartford Ct X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > > I grew up with them- We moved to CT in ' 68, and it was WDRC and > WPOP that were all we listened to after Bob Steeles' morning show. > Great stuff > > Chris > > > And what did the DJ's at WPOP call themselves (they may not have in > '68, but they did earlier in the '60's)? The WPOP Good Guys. > > I still have a sweatshirt from them with the WPOP logo and The WPOP > Good Guys on it. Of course, I haven't been able to fit into it for 40 > years...... > > Their studio was in their transmitter building on Cedar St. in > Newington.....a little hole in the wall as opposed to "The Big D", > with their studios formed in the shape of a D on the 15th floor of 750 > Main Street in Hartford. > > Ahhh...the good old days! > > Tom Ray > WOR Chris et al: For a real blast from the past....especially if you grew up in the Hartford area in the 60's.....http://www.wdrcobg.com. It also has a link to WPOP from the past. TR From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 18 12:50:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41274 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 19:50:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2004 19:50:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 19:50:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2004 19:50:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 19:50:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 563 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.13.245 Subject: Re: Delta ASE 1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" Hi Amy Thank you for the responce. No! No! No! I would be paying you for the retuneing for the two exciters. Jim Smith wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" > wrote: > > > > Hi Come on guys thats what this forum is ment for to put more AMS > > stations on the air and i have more work for some one to. I allso > > have a Harris AMS G1 on the way to and it needs retuneing > allso!!!! > > If I had the money.... > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Sep 18 13:02:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19183 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 20:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2004 20:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 20:02:36 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.69]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.2.315.0) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 16:09:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c49dba$654030c0$45b50642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 16:02:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPOP, 1410 Hartford Ct X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, I only remember WDRC being in Bloomfield, at the corner of Britton Drive and Blue Hills ave. I worked 3 buildings down at an amusement company on Britton where we were literally in the shadow of the tower. We had no music on hold. Everything that had a speaker in it played WDRC like it or not. Pinball machines played WDRC in their speakers. I painfully demonstrated how a wad of tinfoil put in your mouth and rolled around on your fillings made you a human detector for their signal. Fun days! Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bobanthony1974@optonline.net Sat Sep 18 13:36:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bobanthony1974@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56060 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 20:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2004 20:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 20:36:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2004 20:35:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 20:35:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c49dba$654030c0$45b50642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 688 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "uconnboba" X-Originating-IP: 24.44.11.166 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPOP, 1410 Hartford Ct X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=183130686 X-Yahoo-Profile: uconnboba --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Tom, I only remember WDRC being in Bloomfield, at the corner of Britton Drive and Blue Hills ave. I worked 3 buildings down at an amusement company on Britton where we were literally in the shadow of the tower. We had no music on hold. Everything that had a speaker in it played WDRC like it or not. Pinball machines played WDRC in their speakers. I painfully demonstrated how a wad of tinfoil put in your mouth and rolled around on your fillings made you a human detector for their signal. > Fun days! > Chris > WDRC is still at that location. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Sep 18 16:22:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62543 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 23:22:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2004 23:22:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 23:22:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2004 23:22:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:22:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 359 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.1 Subject: AM stations staying on daytime power tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As they just announced on the air, 1070 WKOK in Sudbury, PA is staying on their daytime power of 10,000 watts tonight, due to emergency conditions caused by flooding. Their signal is clearly audible here in central NJ right now. I suppose quite a few other stations will be doing the same thing, so there may be some unique DXing opportunities tonight. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 18 18:04:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74295 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2004 01:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2004 01:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52401.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.109) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2004 01:04:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20040919010416.51570.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.92] by web52401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 18:04:16 PDT Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 18:04:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.109 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stations staying on daytime power tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > As they just announced on the air, 1070 WKOK in > Sudbury, PA is > staying on their daytime power of 10,000 watts > tonight, due to > emergency conditions caused by flooding. Their > signal is clearly > audible here in central NJ right now. WGCR 720 a daytimer licensed to Pisgah Forest NC stayed on all night during the floooding in that area that Ivan created. They are 10,000 watts and did a stellar drive, live and most informative. OH, Pisgah Forest is a suburb of Asheville NC Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 19 01:35:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26294 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2004 08:34:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2004 08:34:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2004 08:34:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.124.15.194 with login) by smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2004 08:34:57 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c49e23$39d1a0e0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 01:30:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.82 From: Subject: Dose any body? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Ok let me ask this then . Dose any body need extra cash? Any body here with electronic exsperance? Thanks Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck@aol.com Sun Sep 19 02:43:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11404 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2004 09:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2004 09:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2004 09:43:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2004 09:43:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 09:43:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2110 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.209.128.78 Subject: Re: Delta ASE 1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 You write: >Hi Amy Thank you for the responce. No! No! No! I would be paying >you for the retuneing for the two exciters. Jim Smith\ Jim, Retuning either generator would likely require a crystal replacement. Typically, the value is four times the station's carrier frequency. However, you also will need to know what type of crystal is required, and how the generator will interface to the transmitter (TTL or otherwise). Is the rest of the plant wired for stereo? If not, then this can be an expensive proposition. You should work directly with the station's chief engineer to answer these unique questions, since s/he would know the interface and other requirements. It it also beneficial to have schematic diagram and service data for the stereo generator, modulation monitor, transmitter and other components. Then you will need a calibrated C-QuAM stereo modulation monitor to accurately align the generator and transmitter (they work together with the transmitter, phasor, and antenna to get the best stereo separation). You will want to adjust the generator delay networks and also tune out any transmitter generated Incidental Carrier Phase Modulation (ICPM). ICPM is a killer of stereo separation. Your modulation monitor will also be used to accurately set the modulation levels. You will also wish to "sweep" the transmitter chain several times using a tone generator, notating each audio frequency, its dB level, and corresponding stereo separation. You will then adjust the delay networks to obtain the best stereo separaration from the reference decoder. This is not a simple overnight "plug and play" proposition. It requires some diligence with the antenna array, transmitter, phasor, stereo generator, processor, and remaining audio chain to get the best performance. With some perseverance and time, it can be achieved. Your end result will be personal satisfaction, and a large improvement in the customer's listening experience with the AM station. 73, Jeff Deck For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit http://meduci.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Sep 19 16:49:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23756 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2004 23:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2004 23:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.180) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2004 23:49:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:45:14 -0700 Received: from 24.94.104.152 by bay12-dav6.bay12.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 23:45:13 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <000001c49e23$39d1a0e0$c188fea9@jimsmith> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:45:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2004 23:45:14.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[B59BE580:01C49EA2] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.180 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.104.152] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Dose any body? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: >Hi Gang Ok let me ask this then . Dose any body need extra cash? Any body here with electronic exsperance? Jim, it isn't a matter of needing extra cash, as much as having time to re-tune the exciter. The other thing is to properly set that exciter up on the new frequency, I would have to be at the radio station where it will be installed and tune it to the transmitter and antenna system. In other words, It ain't just a crystal swap and POOF! it works type of deal. There is no such thing as "Plug 'n' Play" AM Stereo. The stereo exciter that is a REAL pain in the @$$ to re-tune is a first generation Kahn ISB exciter. You really should work with the station engineer on tuning the exciter, transmitter, and antenna array together for best results. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 20 00:07:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58119 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2004 07:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2004 07:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2004 07:07:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2004 07:07:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:07:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1311 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.126.221.9 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Dose any body? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" Hi P.H If thats the case then all i can do is give it to the engineer. I wish i could help him other wise but i am not a engineer. Thank you for telling me that i did not know not being a engineer. Thanks anag Jim Smith wrote: > jimsmith95663@s... wrote: > >Hi Gang Ok let me ask this then . Dose any body need extra cash? Any > body here with electronic exsperance? > > Jim, it isn't a matter of needing extra cash, as much as having time to > re-tune the exciter. The other thing is to properly set that exciter up on > the new frequency, I would have to be at the radio station where it will be > installed and tune it to the transmitter and antenna system. In other words, > It ain't just a crystal swap and POOF! it works type of deal. There is no > such thing as "Plug 'n' Play" AM Stereo. > > The stereo exciter that is a REAL pain in the @$$ to re-tune is a first > generation Kahn ISB exciter. > > You really should work with the station engineer on tuning the exciter, > transmitter, and antenna array together for best results. > > Kevin in Tampa > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 20 00:29:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75296 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2004 07:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2004 07:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2004 07:29:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2004 07:29:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:29:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2821 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.126.221.9 Subject: Re: Delta ASE 1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" Hi Jeff How are you ?Long time we have not talked!!! Like i just said to Possum Humter i did not know that you can not retune them on a bench and i am not a enganeer so all i can do is give them to the stations and hope for the best i gess. That would be neet to see my locals TX plant if i am a loud to see it. I did not buy the Delta from a fly by night ebay this time it has the books and every thing . Your new site looks cool!!!! And same with the Harris i am buying to. You take care and see on the flip flop. Thank You Jim Smith wrote: > You write: > >Hi Amy Thank you for the responce. No! No! No! I would be paying > >you for the retuneing for the two exciters. Jim Smith\ > > Jim, > Retuning either generator would likely require a crystal > replacement. Typically, the value is four times the station's > carrier frequency. However, you also will need to know what type of > crystal is required, and how the generator will interface to > the transmitter (TTL or otherwise). Is the rest of the plant wired > for stereo? If not, then this can be an expensive proposition. > > You should work directly with the station's chief engineer to > answer these unique questions, since s/he would know the interface > and other requirements. It it also beneficial to have schematic > diagram and service data for the stereo generator, modulation > monitor, transmitter and other components. > > Then you will need a calibrated C-QuAM stereo modulation monitor > to accurately align the generator and transmitter (they work > together with the transmitter, phasor, and antenna to get the best > stereo separation). > > You will want to adjust the generator delay networks and also > tune out any transmitter generated Incidental Carrier Phase > Modulation (ICPM). ICPM is a killer of stereo separation. Your > modulation monitor will also be used to accurately set the > modulation levels. You will also wish to "sweep" the transmitter > chain several times using a tone generator, notating each audio > frequency, its dB level, and corresponding stereo separation. > You will then adjust the delay networks to obtain the best stereo > separaration from the reference decoder. > > This is not a simple overnight "plug and play" proposition. It > requires some diligence with the antenna array, transmitter, phasor, > stereo generator, processor, and remaining audio chain to get the > best performance. With some perseverance and time, it can be > achieved. Your end result will be personal satisfaction, and > a large improvement in the customer's listening experience with > the AM station. > > 73, > Jeff Deck > For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit > http://meduci.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 20 01:18:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25341 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2004 08:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2004 08:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2004 08:18:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2004 08:18:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:18:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1467 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.54 Subject: Re: Delta ASE 1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: [snip] Being an engineer is not particularly hard (it's actually easier than getting ham license, in some ways), but it is both time-consuming and often frustrating-- It's alot like trying to get six leashed Rottweillers to learn to behave when all of them want to do a hundred different things at once, including chase the neighborhood cat! For a radio-station engineer, this means keeping the transmitter in peak performance while keeping incidental phase from mucking everything, and so forth. That being said, yes, the exciters can be retuned "on the bench", either by setting DIP switches or replacing the crystal. This, however, still requires ALOT of tweaking to get things set right once installed. As Jeff put it, exciters are NOT plug-n-play. But the effort can be as rewarding as it is frustrasting, and once accomplished, it's worth having pride in the work. :) And there is still no guarantee it'll match the transmitter, since not all transmitters are the kind where you can plug directly into the crystal socket. I, for one, would love to get my paws on AMS equipment, especially an exciter, but as I live on a fixed income, this is something I can't afford, even with some being sold now around the $350 mark. (A good price, I might add- Just still out of my reach.) This is why, Jim, I responded "If I had the money..." Anyhoo... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From radio603@malmo2.net Mon Sep 20 07:08:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13544 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2004 14:08:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2004 14:08:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO labs2.net) (82.209.166.11) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2004 14:08:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 12728 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2004 14:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO roy) ([82.209.145.201]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Sep 2004 14:07:30 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c49f1b$5f81ec20$c991d152@bredband2.com> To: Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:08:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 82.209.166.11 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: SHOUTcast Administrator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is not the licence holders radio station.603 kHz =C5land Finland. Mike Spenser is out of the buissnes since first of September. He is not allowed to use my licence this is piracy and not a legal statio= n, Bests, Roy Sandgren The licence holder of 603 khz =C5land. www.amradio.se=20 http://213.204.53.74:8000/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Sep 20 09:19:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27086 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2004 16:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2004 16:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2004 16:19:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2004 16:19:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:19:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 726 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Found one of the cheap radio IC's ----- SELF JAMMING INEVITABLE!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter It is a bit hard to get data sheets for these cheap radio IC's because most design and manufacture is overseas. The part number is TDA2003. I would have uploaded the data sheet to files section, but the files section is full. I can email it to anybody who wants it. The block diagram shows: - Four gang tuning capacitor - One FM ceramic filter - One AM ceramic filter - AM ferrite bar antenna and osc coil - FM osc and RF coil. I looked up the ceramic filter referenced - and it is listed as 8 +/- 3 k bandwidth - so far so good for AM IBOC? No way! +/- 9 kHz is listed as only being down 5-8 dB. Therefore, self jamming of analog audio by digital sidebands in hybrid mode is only reduced in volume by half!!!! From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Sep 20 10:31:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86252 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2004 17:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2004 17:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2004 17:31:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2004 17:30:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:30:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1144 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: One thing everybody can do ---- X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I was at a local festival here in the Dallas area. I went up to the WBAP booth and thanked them for running AM stereo, and I talked to them about the self-jamming potential of hybrid mode. It is a matter of luck if you manage to get somebody knowlegable - but at the very least, people in those booths will pass on comments they receive. Especially interesting ones! But I think I may have been talking to someone reasonably important because they listened attentively. It seems to me that the Ibiquity people that tested hybrid mode on four receivers were too quick to discount the noise they heard on one. Snap judgements in engineering usually end up being poor judgements. They should have torn into that radio and found out the reason why it had noise - instead of assuming that it was defective. If they had - I bet they would have discovered a TDA2003 or similar IC and one very cheap ceramic filter in the IF. We know that many stations have tried IBOC and shut it off - has anybody contacted their engineering staff to find out why? Was it possibly this self-interference issue causing listener complaints? From dougharding@bellsouth.net Mon Sep 20 11:57:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73658 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2004 18:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2004 18:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2004 18:57:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2004 18:57:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:57:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 456 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 65.6.205.68 Subject: New 2004 Ford has factory AM STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I just purchased a 2004 Thunderbird and to my suprise the factory stereo is AM Stereo FM Stereo. Now only if our classical AM radio station 1360 would broadcast in stereo. We have no AM Stereo stations in Miami but I checked the radio with one of Chris Cuffs xmitters. I plugged a portable CD into it and the AM stereo sounded great with a lot of seperation. I used the doors light my fire as a stereo test. The stereo indicator also lights on the radio. From jeffdeck@aol.com Mon Sep 20 16:00:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42906 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2004 23:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2004 23:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2004 23:00:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2004 23:00:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:00:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1006 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.209.128.78 Subject: Re: One thing everybody can do ---- X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 You write: >It seems to me that the Ibiquity people that tested hybrid mode on >four receivers were too quick to discount the noise they heard on >one. Snap judgements in engineering usually end up being poor >judgements. They should have torn into that radio and found out >the reason why it had noise - instead of assuming that it was >defective. If they had - I bet they would have discovered a >TDA2003 or similar IC and one very cheap ceramic filter in the IF. Actually I believe that you mean TA2003, not TDA2003. It does not require a step-down I.F transformer to match the ceramic filter input to the mixer output. This chip is manufactured by Toshiba. It is noisy, and also does not have an external tap-off from the I.F amplifier. If you use a stereo decoder chip with the TA2003, you will also need a one transistor 2N3904 amplifier stage ahead of the decoder input (either TA8124 or MC13028). 73, Jeff Deck For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit http://meduci.com From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Sep 20 16:22:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66808 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2004 23:22:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2004 23:22:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2004 23:22:46 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-46.skyweb.net [66.6.130.174]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i8KNLQCZ001500 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:21:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <414F6483.3000506@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:15:15 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} New 2004 Ford has factory AM STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hi Doug. I travel quite a Bit and rent from Hertz.... I noticed that all of the Ford 2004 and 2005 cars I have rented have AM stereo radios.... who says they don't make AM Stereo receivers anymore???? tell that to Ford.. LOL... Neal Newman-CE/CO WTTM 1690 am stereo douglasharding wrote: >I just purchased a 2004 Thunderbird and to my suprise the factory >stereo is AM Stereo FM Stereo. Now only if our classical AM radio >station 1360 would broadcast in stereo. We have no AM Stereo stations >in Miami but I checked the radio with one of Chris Cuffs xmitters. I >plugged a portable CD into it and the AM stereo sounded great with a >lot of seperation. I used the doors light my fire as a stereo test. >The stereo indicator also lights on the radio. > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 20 20:59:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97678 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2004 03:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2004 03:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14223.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.107) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2004 03:59:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20040921035953.27941.qmail@web14223.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.0.194.48] by web14223.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:59:53 PDT Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:59:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.171.107 From: "John P." Subject: KUZZ gives up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Here's my reply from the KUZZ engineer: "John, Sorry to report we will no longer be in stereo on KUZZ AM. We have had to upgrade some equipment and the cost to do it in stereo would be double. Thanks for the interest, Terry Gaiser CE, KUZZ" Side note: If stations can't 'afford' to merely KEEP AM Stereo at their station, how the heck are they going to afford to add IBOC AM stereo? _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 21 03:14:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2338 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2004 10:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2004 10:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2004 10:14:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2004 10:14:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:14:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040921035953.27941.qmail@web14223.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 964 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.14.109 Subject: Re: KUZZ gives up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Here's my reply from the KUZZ engineer: > > "John, > Sorry to report we will no longer be in stereo on KUZZ AM. We have had > to upgrade some equipment and the cost to do it in stereo would be > double. > Thanks for the interest, > Terry Gaiser > CE, KUZZ" > > Side note: > If stations can't 'afford' to merely KEEP AM Stereo at their station, how the > heck are they going to afford to add IBOC AM stereo? > You know what so dump about all that is if it was the FM side the money would be spent in a hart beat. Thats what make so damd made about AM STEREO in the last 10 to 12 years it has been and being treated as a after thought instend of being treated like FM STEREO is being treated the king of the radio waves!!!!! Jim Smith > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com From brucec@mindspring.com Tue Sep 21 06:28:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28070 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2004 13:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2004 13:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2004 13:28:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2004 13:26:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:26:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1276 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: One thing everybody can do ---- X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > Actually I believe that you mean TA2003, not TDA2003. It does > not require a step-down I.F transformer to match the ceramic filter > input to the mixer output. This chip is manufactured by Toshiba. > It is noisy, and also does not have an external tap-off from the I.F > amplifier. If you use a stereo decoder chip with the TA2003, you > will also need a one transistor 2N3904 amplifier stage ahead of the > decoder input (either TA8124 or MC13028). You are right - sorry for the confusion on the part number. I really hoped we could make some room on here for engineering files that prove IBOC will not work. I find the TA2003 to be a really fantastic performer - there is one in my daughter's "Mary Kate and Ashley" brand radio, and when I put a good ceramic filter and a decent ferrite bar antenna in there, it DX's away getting 50 kW stations up to 300 miles away in the daytime. It is almost as good as a GE Superradio. On the FM side, it gets all the locals, which are up to 70 miles away, with a rod antenna that is too short. I have three radios with the TA2003 inside, and when you put decent ceramic filters and a good ferrite bar in them, they are all of similar quality. For once, the silicon vendors knew what they were doing. From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Tue Sep 21 08:20:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75047 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2004 15:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2004 15:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2004 15:20:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2004 15:19:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:19:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 72 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 64.1.107.10 Subject: Re: "Chris Cuff" Transmitters? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Do you have a URL where I could look at one of these transmitters? Tom From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue Sep 21 08:40:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60358 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2004 15:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2004 15:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2004 15:40:55 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.177]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:40:53 -0600 Message-ID: <001701c49ff1$ddef51c0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20040921035953.27941.qmail@web14223.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:44:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2004 15:40:54.0196 (UTC) FILETIME=[6152AF40:01C49FF1] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KUZZ gives up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I suppose you could always ask. I forgot to do that myself. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > Side note: > If stations can't 'afford' to merely KEEP AM Stereo at their station, how the > heck are they going to afford to add IBOC AM stereo? From dougharding@bellsouth.net Tue Sep 21 09:14:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38861 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2004 16:14:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2004 16:14:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2004 16:14:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2004 16:14:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:14:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <414F6483.3000506@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1232 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.100 Subject: Re: {AMSF} New 2004 Ford has factory AM STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding That is good to hear Neal. At least it looks like FORD has not abandoned AM Stereo. Even though there are no am stereo stations in Miami some of the AM mono ones sound like FM in my new FORD. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > Hi Doug. > I travel quite a Bit and rent from Hertz.... I noticed that all of the > Ford 2004 and 2005 cars > I have rented have AM stereo radios.... who says they don't make AM > Stereo receivers anymore???? > tell that to Ford.. LOL... > Neal Newman-CE/CO > WTTM 1690 am stereo > > douglasharding wrote: > > >I just purchased a 2004 Thunderbird and to my suprise the factory > >stereo is AM Stereo FM Stereo. Now only if our classical AM radio > >station 1360 would broadcast in stereo. We have no AM Stereo stations > >in Miami but I checked the radio with one of Chris Cuffs xmitters. I > >plugged a portable CD into it and the AM stereo sounded great with a > >lot of seperation. I used the doors light my fire as a stereo test. > >The stereo indicator also lights on the radio. > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Sep 21 09:31:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9831 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2004 16:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2004 16:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.3) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2004 16:31:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:27:20 -0700 Received: from 216.78.60.25 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:27:20 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:27:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2004 16:27:20.0803 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE452B30:01C49FF7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.3 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [216.78.60.25] Subject: CQuam AM Stereo in Old Fiero X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 I just purchased a 1986 Pontiac Fiero for a project car, and much to my surprise, the Delco radio is AM Stereo!! I checked the owners manual and it says the Delco is set up to decode CQuam stereo broadcasts. I have only heard one AM stereo station here in Cedartown, GA. It was on 840 KHz and was from somewhere in Alabama and was Christian music, but it sounded great!! I can't wait to try this unit at night. Any suggestions from the group on what DX signals I should try to hear? All suggestions will be tried. Thanks, MTGC (Michael) From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Tue Sep 21 09:39:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55707 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2004 16:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2004 16:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.189) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2004 16:39:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:33:18 -0700 Received: from 65.41.84.177 by bay22-dav9.bay22.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:33:18 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:33:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2004 16:33:18.0187 (UTC) FILETIME=[B349A3B0:01C49FF8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.189 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.41.84.177] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Chris Cuff" Transmitters? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd this is a old link, but scroll all the way to the bottom to see a pic. I own one and am very pleased with it. you won't be sorry if you choose to buy one. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] 88.3 FM Stereo 1000 AM Stereo 100,000 MicroWatts of Community Power!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 11:19 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: "Chris Cuff" Transmitters? > Do you have a URL where I could look at one of these transmitters? > > Tom > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Sep 21 10:24:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88595 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2004 17:24:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2004 17:24:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2004 17:24:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:06:29 -0700 Received: from 64.233.76.90 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:06:28 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:06:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2004 17:06:29.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[56061D00:01C49FFD] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.44 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [64.233.76.90] Subject: RE: {AMSF} CQuam AM Stereo in Old Fiero X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Michael - Congrats! Try: WJR 760 Detroit, MI (I've picked them up in Ocala, FL in stereo) WLS 890 Chicago, IL WBAP 820 Fort Worth, TX KCJJ 1630 Iowa City, IA (they play music!) Of the 4 above, WBAP is your best bet. Paul Crane >From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} CQuam AM Stereo in Old Fiero >Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:27:20 -0400 > >I just purchased a 1986 Pontiac Fiero for a project car, and much to my >surprise, the Delco radio is AM Stereo!! I checked the owners manual and >it >says the Delco is set up to decode CQuam stereo broadcasts. > >I have only heard one AM stereo station here in Cedartown, GA. It was on >840 KHz and was from somewhere in Alabama and was Christian music, but it >sounded great!! I can't wait to try this unit at night. Any suggestions >from the group on what DX signals I should try to hear? All suggestions >will be tried. > >Thanks, > >MTGC (Michael) > > _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Sep 21 13:14:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13758 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2004 20:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2004 20:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2004 20:14:49 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.144]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.2.315.0) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:21:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c4a017$987df4e0$90b50642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:14:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Chris Cuff" Transmitters? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I usually have one on ebay running, but I don't think I will have any left for my October sales. I only have 3 left right now, as people find me whether I advertise them or not. I had just finished 10 of them 2 weeks ago, and now I'm going to need more boards plated. To see one just google my name - Chris Cuff - and the second listing will take you to the page. The only thing that changed is the price- That was 3 years ago, and the cost is now $125 Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 12:33 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Chris Cuff" Transmitters? this is a old link, but scroll all the way to the bottom to see a pic. I own one and am very pleased with it. you won't be sorry if you choose to buy one. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Tue Sep 21 18:56:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81585 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2004 01:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2004 01:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2004 01:56:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2004 01:55:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:55:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 770 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 Subject: Re: Part 15 DRM possible?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Thanks Amy!! This is exactly what I've been wanting to play with. And so far it looks like it might work OK. Hey people at iBiquity.... How about a Ham Radio version of your stuff?? It will never happen. Would have like to see a software version of an IBOC receiver like DRM at least. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > Will we be seeing- or rather, hearing- Part 15 and pirate DRM > broadcasts soon? Looks like that may become a possibility, thanks to > HamDream, an open-source expansion on the open-source DReaM software > receiver, allowing for transmission and a lower audio IF for decoding > and encoding. > > http://www.qslnet.de/member/hb9tlk/ > http://www.qsl.net/hb9tlk > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 21 19:11:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5963 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2004 02:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2004 02:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2004 02:11:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2004 02:11:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:11:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 782 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.54 Subject: Re: Part 15 DRM possible?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > Thanks Amy!! You're welcome. :) > This is exactly what I've been wanting to > play with. And so far it looks like it might work OK. Let us know how things go, and if you do any QSOs in ham-mode DRM. :) I hope your AMS rig is still in use in the AM Window, although being a west-coast mouse, rather unlikely I'll ever hear it. Other than that, yeah, there's the HamDReaM version for HF amateurs, particularly now with the recent addition in DReaM of DRM encoding, INCLUDING STEREO, this is a bold new step for hams and experimentors alike-- Now, DRM is available- quite literally- for everyone. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (It's good, but still not as good, stable, or rewarding, as good old- fashioned AM stereo.) From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Sep 21 19:26:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60360 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2004 02:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2004 02:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2004 02:26:19 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-66-72-38-81.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [66.72.38.81]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M2QFca057559 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:26:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002201c4a04b$8af4b1e0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:26:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQuam AM Stereo in Old Fiero X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Paul Crane wrote: > Congrats! > > Try: > > WJR 760 Detroit, MI (I've picked them up in Ocala, FL in stereo) > WLS 890 Chicago, IL > WBAP 820 Fort Worth, TX > KCJJ 1630 Iowa City, IA (they play music!) > > Of the 4 above, WBAP is your best bet. I some what agree, but only by default. KCJJ actually has competition to DXing. They sound great here in Central Indiana at night (those EB frequencies really do lend themselves to skywave propagation) but there are other stations on that frequency with equal power, so they aren't the most consistent thing in the world. OTOH, their ground system and soil conductivity must be great because they definitely dominate 1630 KHz, but again, not consistently. WJR and WLS (especially WLS) are falling victim to the FCC's policy of licensing class B's on the former Class 1A and 1B clear channel frequencies. I believe there are now a couple of stations on 890KHz at night (not sure about 760KHz) and the last time I was in Orlando and Miami (and the Keys) I couldn't hear anything of WLS and I believe Castro is jammin' 840 KHz because WHAS was buried under some strange noise (and the noise was only on 840KHz). I am not sure about WBAP in Florida so I assume you are right. Otherwise, the AM band is becoming a wasteland at night (not to mention the daytimers with micro wattage at night who frequently fail to power down). From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Sep 21 19:40:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78391 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2004 02:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2004 02:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2004 02:40:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:40:01 -0700 Received: from 216.78.58.3 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:39:22 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:39:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2004 02:40:01.0800 (UTC) FILETIME=[75882880:01C4A04D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.16 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [216.78.58.3] Subject: CQuam AM Stereo in Old Fiero-REPORT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 > >Michael - > >Congrats! > >Try: > >WJR 760 Detroit, MI (I've picked them up in Ocala, FL in stereo) >WLS 890 Chicago, IL >WBAP 820 Fort Worth, TX >KCJJ 1630 Iowa City, IA (they play music!) > >Of the 4 above, WBAP is your best bet. > >Paul Crane > At 10:30 p.m. EDT, I tried all the frequencies above, except one, with the following results: WJR 760 Clear and stereo light remains on without flicker WLS 890 Clear and stereo light remains on without flicker WBAP 820 Clear and stereo light remains on without flicker My radio stops at 1620 so I was unable to try KCJJ 1630. I would have liked to hear their music. By the way, 1530 was clear, but it did not have the "clarity" of the am stereo stations, and it actually sounded kinda dull. If there are any other stereo stations any of you on this forum know of, please let me know and I will try them out. Thanks to all of you, MTGC (Michael) From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Sep 22 01:22:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 49372 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2004 08:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2004 08:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2004 08:22:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2004 08:22:14 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9829 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2004 05:23:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2004 05:23:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2004 05:23:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2004 05:22:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 05:22:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1362 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: Part 15 DRM possible?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 22 Sep 2004 08:22:11 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 I sometime might like to do a little experimenting with IBOC for part 15, but I would be operating under whichever FCC rules specify field strength, so my signal would probably only go 30 or 40 feet or so. What I would want to experiment with is close spacing, and maybe also throw a few C-Quams in there, and see what the interference is like with several radios I have, including an SRF-42, AIWA AM Stereo unit, Panasonic Shockwave, an old Zenith, and a few others. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > Thanks Amy!! > > This is exactly what I've been wanting to > play with. And so far it looks like it might work OK. > > Hey people at iBiquity.... How about a Ham Radio version of your > stuff?? It will never happen. Would have like to see a software > version of an IBOC receiver like DRM at least. > > Jerry > WA2FNQ > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > Will we be seeing- or rather, hearing- Part 15 and pirate DRM > > broadcasts soon? Looks like that may become a possibility, thanks > to > > HamDream, an open-source expansion on the open-source DReaM > software > > receiver, allowing for transmission and a lower audio IF for > decoding > > and encoding. > > > > http://www.qslnet.de/member/hb9tlk/ > > http://www.qsl.net/hb9tlk > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Sep 22 01:22:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18001 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2004 08:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2004 08:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2004 08:22:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2004 08:22:25 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48331 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2004 05:31:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2004 05:31:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2004 05:31:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2004 05:31:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 05:31:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002201c4a04b$8af4b1e0$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3228 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQuam AM Stereo in Old Fiero X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 22 Sep 2004 08:22:24 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 "clears" I get in San Diego, CA (not including secondary 50kW stations): 640 KFI - usually no noticeable problems 680 KNBR - pretty good, some adj-chan crosstalk from 690 XETRA. 690 XETRA - semi-local 720 WGN - have heard once when KDWN was off the air 780 WBBM - was able to hear once when I got lucky and nulled KKOH and 760 KFMB at the same time. 800 XEROK - we have a local ESPN on 800 but by nulling them I can hear XEROK 810 KGO - usually fairly good, a little crosstalk from XESPN. 820 WBAP - nowadays a fairly rare catch, with Mexicali dominating most nights but still a weak signal from XEMVS 830 WCCO - have heard once or twice. 850 KOA - usually weak but decent, not much spanish interference except from 860 XEMO 870 WWL - very rare but possible catch out from under XEMO and KRLA 900 XEX - I think it's that, but don't have a way to verify yet 1000 KOMO - we have local KCEO but it is possible to hear KOMO on most nights with considerable interference 1070 KNX - fairly good most nights, sometimes hear spanish underneath it. 1080 KRLD - rare but possible, sometimes I hear spanish instead, tonigh while accidentally tuning off 1090 (listening to a Padres/Dodgers game) I heard KSCO fairly strong 1090 XEPRS - semi-local, some skywave/groundwave cancellation (as well as 640 and 1070) 1110 KFAB - have heard once, usually it's KDIS. 1160 KSL - usually a fairly decent catch when I can get a good null on local 1170 KCBQ, which btw completely obliterates Tulsa, and if I null KCBQ I hear San Jose. 1190 KEX - have heard this a couple times but usually I hear one from Anaheim. 1200 WOAI - occasional weak catch 1500 KSTP - have heard once. 1530 KFBK - usually a pretty good catch, sometimes comes in like a local --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > Paul Crane wrote: > > Congrats! > > > > Try: > > > > WJR 760 Detroit, MI (I've picked them up in Ocala, FL in stereo) > > WLS 890 Chicago, IL > > WBAP 820 Fort Worth, TX > > KCJJ 1630 Iowa City, IA (they play music!) > > > > Of the 4 above, WBAP is your best bet. > > I some what agree, but only by default. > KCJJ actually has competition to DXing. They sound great here in Central > Indiana at night (those EB frequencies really do lend themselves to skywave > propagation) but there are other stations on that frequency with equal > power, so they aren't the most consistent thing in the world. > OTOH, their ground system and soil conductivity must be great because they > definitely dominate 1630 KHz, but again, not consistently. > WJR and WLS (especially WLS) are falling victim to the FCC's policy of > licensing class B's on the former Class 1A and 1B clear channel frequencies. > I believe there are now a couple of stations on 890KHz at night (not sure > about 760KHz) and the last time I was in Orlando and Miami (and the Keys) I > couldn't hear anything of WLS and I believe Castro is jammin' 840 KHz > because WHAS was buried under some strange noise (and the noise was only on > 840KHz). > I am not sure about WBAP in Florida so I assume you are right. Otherwise, > the AM band is becoming a wasteland at night (not to mention the daytimers > with micro wattage at night who frequently fail to power down). From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Sep 22 06:45:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21633 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2004 13:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2004 13:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2004 13:45:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2004 13:45:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:45:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 435 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: CQuam AM Stereo in Old Fiero-REPORT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Since your AM stereo radio is a wide band radio, do you hear self jamming on WSAI? It sounds like hiss or static, or maybe like rushing water superimposed on the music. NOT very pleasant here in Dallas, but I very seldom can listen due to some idiots on 1530 in South Texas that forget to power down to nighttime levels. Can you tune to 1520 and 1540 and hear the digital sidebands of WSAI? They should sound like a buzz saw. From wa2fnq@optonline.net Wed Sep 22 07:27:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76410 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2004 14:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2004 14:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2004 14:27:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2004 14:27:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:27:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1061 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 Subject: Re: Part 15 DRM possible?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Amy, The software works perfectly in my laptop using Windows XP with a closed loop between the input/output on the sound card. Next step is to put the TX/RX in line. The computers in the station run Windows 98 and therefore have some issues. Worst case is I have to add a couple of jacks down there to plug in my laptop. Yes, I still have AM stereo rig running. Actually it's not an option. If I get on 75 meters with either of my transmitters the AM stereo is just there. Pete, WA1SOV has his ISB stereo rig down for some maintenace but he's talking about getting it back on the air soon. Wish you could hear us. The DRM stuff is interesting but it's in a different league than good old hifi AM stereo. Thanks again!! Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > Let us know how things go, and if you do any QSOs in ham-mode DRM. :) > I hope your AMS rig is still in use in the AM Window, although being > a west-coast mouse, rather unlikely I'll ever hear it. > - > fashioned AM stereo.) From wa2fnq@optonline.net Wed Sep 22 07:40:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95431 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2004 14:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2004 14:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2004 14:40:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2004 14:39:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:39:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1130 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 Subject: Re: Part 15 DRM possible?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq I've often wondered what it's going to be like if the first adjacents next to me fire up IBOC. I was going to do some experimenting but just listening to the splatter from my lower first adjacent I have a pretty good idea. It ain't gonna be pretty. Part 15 signals are very fragile by their strength. And yes, we have to accept any interference we get from licensed stations. Unfortunately, due to the nature of my station, extended band operation would be nice but it's not an option. I taking a wait and see attitude on this one. Jerry --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > I sometime might like to do a little experimenting with IBOC for part > 15, but I would be operating under whichever FCC rules specify field > strength, so my signal would probably only go 30 or 40 feet or so. > What I would want to experiment with is close spacing, and maybe also > throw a few C-Quams in there, and see what the interference is like > with several radios I have, including an SRF-42, AIWA AM Stereo unit, > Panasonic Shockwave, an old Zenith, and a few others. > From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Sep 22 15:03:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8614 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2004 22:03:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2004 22:03:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2004 22:03:49 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.5.10.101]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20040922220335.JRBS20002.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:03:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:04:12 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <55FDB2F8-0CE3-11D9-9DF8-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.29 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQuam AM Stereo in Old Fiero X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How do the IBOC sidebands sound in San Diego? On Tuesday, September 21, 2004, at 10:31 PM, pianoplayer88key wrote: > "clears" I get in San Diego, CA (not including secondary 50kW > stations): > 640 KFI - usually no noticeable problems [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Sep 22 17:10:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17109 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2004 00:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2004 00:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.18) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2004 00:10:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:10:01 -0700 Received: from 216.78.55.96 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:09:32 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:09:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Sep 2004 00:10:01.0556 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB61A940:01C4A101] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.18 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [216.78.55.96] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: CQuam AM Stereo in Old Fiero-REPORT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 I can hear some buzzing on the sidebands of WSAI. On 1530 the sound is clear, but appears to be limited to about 5 khz, or so my non-calibrated ears seem to tell me. MTGC (Michael) >From: "Bruce Carter" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: CQuam AM Stereo in Old Fiero-REPORT >Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:45:32 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 >X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com >Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.65]) by >mc8-f36.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 22 Sep 2004 >06:48:25 -0700 >Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep >2004 13:45:44 -0000 >Received: (qmail 21633 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2004 13:45:37 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >22 Sep 2004 13:45:37 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by >mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2004 13:45:37 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep >2004 13:45:34 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHbgS/hnqzbiaajwMTkO54f >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: >In-Reply-To: >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 >X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-18761-1095860739-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2004 13:48:25.0373 (UTC) >FILETIME=[D51FC4D0:01C4A0AA] > >Since your AM stereo radio is a wide band radio, do you hear self >jamming on WSAI? It sounds like hiss or static, or maybe like >rushing water superimposed on the music. NOT very pleasant here in >Dallas, but I very seldom can listen due to some idiots on 1530 in >South Texas that forget to power down to nighttime levels. > >Can you tune to 1520 and 1540 and hear the digital sidebands of >WSAI? They should sound like a buzz saw. > From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Sep 22 18:57:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99132 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2004 01:57:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2004 01:57:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52402.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.110) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2004 01:57:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20040923015756.38537.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.65] by web52402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:57:56 PDT Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:57:56 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.110 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: CQuam AM Stereo in Old Fiero-REPORT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > I can hear some buzzing on the sidebands of WSAI. > On 1530 the sound is > clear, but appears to be limited to about 5 khz, or > so my non-calibrated > ears seem to tell me. > > MTGC (Michael) When Paul Jellison was there they were running 6.2 mode. It sounds now like they are running 5 or maybe even 4.5. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 22 21:36:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35393 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2004 04:36:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2004 04:36:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2004 04:36:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2004 04:36:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:36:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5490 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.54 Subject: Re: Part 15 DRM possible?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > Amy, > > The software works perfectly in my laptop using Windows XP with a > closed loop between the input/output on the sound card. Next step is > to put the TX/RX in line. The computers in the station run Windows > 98 and therefore have some issues. Worst case is I have to add a > couple of jacks down there to plug in my laptop. So far, so good... > Yes, I still have AM stereo rig running. Actually it's not an > option. If I get on 75 meters with either of my transmitters the AM > stereo is just there. Pete, WA1SOV has his ISB stereo rig down for > some maintenace but he's talking about getting it back on the air > soon. Wish you could hear us. Agreed. This is a problem with being 3000+ miles away, with me being on the west coast. I think the furthest I've DXed on 75 (not counting the 80m broadcasters) is Kentucky, in SSB. I think Iowa was the furthest audible in the "AM window"- the portion of the 75m ham band used by AMer hams. One of the downsides for living in northern California! > The DRM stuff is interesting but it's in a different league than > good old hifi AM stereo. DRM is a challenge, and certainly worthy experimenting with, either as a DXer or ham or experimentalist. But it's NOT a solution for the <30MHz bands. > Thanks again!! Not a problem! I think it's a worthwhile experimental project for anyone who cares to give it a try, and the way DReaM works, it doesn't require a special 12kHz IF stage, but does need a decent wide receiver to work with some of the wider broadcast signals. HaMDream should work with any HF TX/RX rig. > I've often wondered what it's going to be like if the first > adjacents next to me fire up IBOC. I was going to do some > experimenting but just listening to the splatter from my lower first > adjacent I have a pretty good idea. It ain't gonna be pretty. Part > 15 signals are very fragile by their strength. And yes, we have to > accept any interference we get from licensed stations. > Unfortunately, due to the nature of my station, extended band > operation would be nice but it's not an option. I taking a wait and > see attitude on this one. Not well, I'm afraid. Even though DRM is more robust than IBOC (being it was designed to work with the DXing problems inherent in shortwave), it's still badly prone to interference, including adjacent-channels. Here is a great webpage describing one person's experience using unmodified radios: http://www.fineware-swl.com/drm.html Of particular interest is the following 3 paragraphs from this page, posted as follows: Effects of Interference. Throughout most of these experiments we have found the standard tenets of shortwave reception are more critical with DRM. Typical analog broadcasts would be difficult to hear when the signal is just above the noise level, but potentially still very intelligible. There is no noise or interference with decoded DRM audio. Either you hear it or you don't. This first seems to require a signal with an SNR of between 10-15 dB, depending upon the encoding of the MSC. 16-QAM encoded signals with low raw bit rates will be easier to decode than a standard 64-QAM channel, as we found with the Radio Kuwait broadcast. Some synchronization may occur at levels as low as 5 dB SNR. This may also allow a few SDC packets to be captured, providing a nice visual ID of the transmitting station and the content. Another factor that seems to be much more critical with DRM is the amount of in-band and adjacent channel interference. When listening to an analog signal, local carriers and other interference are merely an annoyance. They can be usually excised using filtering and notching techniques. However, DRM is especially sensitive to these things. Interference can mean the difference between hearing something and hearing nothing. Although the signal is spread 10 kHz wide, any narrow in-band or adjacent carriers that are 5 dB above the DRM signal tend to disrupt the phasing that is required. This appears as a rippling effect on the envelope of the signal's spectrum and creates intermodulation and an artificially induced selective fading. It disrupts overall phasing and increases the apparent delay of the received signal. Dream will not decode any audio if it calculates that greater than approximately 5ms of delay exists. It is doubtful that anyone can do anything about in-band interference, since notching would also remove critical portions of the data. As well, the position of the adjacent interferer is more critical in our ad hoc receiving equipment. First, we are decoding the signal within the rolloff portion of the NRD-535D's AUX filter. Therefore, a carrier closer to the receiver's center frequency would be much more disruptive than one further away. We have also found that interferers on that higher end of the spectrum can be somewhat controlled by moving the NRD-535D's PBS closer to 0. This will attenuate the interference, but may also disrupt the spectral balance of the signal's sidebands. Adjusting the PBS too close to 0 will cause one sideband to be much lower than the other, decreasing the probability that it can be reliably decoded. We suspect that receivers that are designed (or modified) for DRM, such as the TenTec RX-320D/350D and AOR 7030 use much better filtering for rejecting adjacent channel interference. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 23 00:23:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96143 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2004 07:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2004 07:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2004 07:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.126.220.45 with login) by smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2004 07:23:19 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c4a13d$e277de40$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:20:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.80 From: Subject: KCBS AM 740 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Well i guess KCBS AM 740 is done with Icrap for now. There Icrap signal was off as of wensday. Ok i know no one can help me with retuneing thoughs exciters. But can some one put new crystals in for me mybe? Can't and wont do it my self. See what my main goal is to make them more apealing to the stations. Thanks Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Thu Sep 23 01:55:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67183 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2004 08:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2004 08:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail2.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.13) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2004 08:55:52 -0000 Received: from csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75AFC5407C for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:55:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3492454067 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:55:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8N8tnfB012573 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:55:50 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:55:49 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.2.13 From: Ian Davidson Subject: 3GV's AM Stereo - some dissapointing news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Some sad news ... courtesy of the MWOZ list. btw - WOR Tom I still haven't received the CD of WOR in IBOC ... but it's OK. I've stopped holding my breath. Ian Melbourne I spoke with the 3GV techo over the phone & he said 3GV 1242 does not broadcast in AM stereo as the Motorola encoder has had technical problems for some time & Motorola no longer offer technical support. So repair is impossible. So 3GV will no longer be AM stereo ever again. The stereo pilot was turned off today (they had been running the pilot even though the music was not broadcast in stereo). Another AM stereo bites the dust........ Geoff From jh_raskin@yahoo.ca Thu Sep 23 10:48:22 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From jh_raskin@yahoo.ca Thu Sep 23 10:48:26 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From jh_raskin@yahoo.ca Thu Sep 23 11:41:14 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Sep 23 12:54:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1976 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2004 19:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2004 19:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.18.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2004 19:54:11 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:54:02 -0700 Received: from 209.240.205.63 by by24fd.bay24.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:53:50 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:53:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Sep 2004 19:54:02.0951 (UTC) FILETIME=[135A4570:01C4A1A7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.18.66 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.63] Subject: WAKY - the Mighty 790 - Louiseville,KY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 This week's Friday's re-creation on xm radio's channel 6 is the Mighty 790, WAKY, the re-creation will air 4 - 7 pm eastern daylight time. Donn St Petersburg From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Sep 23 13:47:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79020 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2004 20:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2004 20:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2004 20:47:32 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.183.144]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.2.315.0) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:53:39 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c4a1ae$63966a80$90b70642@4bmx301> To: Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:46:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: SAP official course X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 We won't be getting any more of this spammers mail. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: "SAPTraining" From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Sep 23 14:23:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69470 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2004 21:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2004 21:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2004 21:23:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2004 21:23:24 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38152 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2004 08:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2004 08:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2004 08:07:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2004 08:05:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:05:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <55FDB2F8-0CE3-11D9-9DF8-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 597 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: CQuam AM Stereo in Old Fiero X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 23 Sep 2004 21:23:20 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 Actually, where I am (El Cajon) is inland some so it's not quite a saltwater path to me from KFI, so it's not as strong as it is on the coast. The sidebands on a normal portable are almost unnoticeable. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > How do the IBOC sidebands sound in San Diego? > > On Tuesday, September 21, 2004, at 10:31 PM, pianoplayer88key wrote: > > > "clears" I get in San Diego, CA (not including secondary 50kW > > stations): > > 640 KFI - usually no noticeable problems > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Sep 23 14:48:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8684 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2004 21:48:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2004 21:48:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.18.52) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2004 21:48:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:48:02 -0700 Received: from 209.240.205.63 by by24fd.bay24.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:47:43 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:47:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Sep 2004 21:48:02.0567 (UTC) FILETIME=[0014D970:01C4A1B7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.18.52 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.63] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: SAP official course X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 But Chris..... I only got three copies of that spam! :) I was hoping for five! Donn ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Chris Cuff" <ccuff@in4web.com> Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> Subject: {AMSF} Re: SAP official course Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:46:22 -0400 We won't be getting any more of this spammers mail. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: "SAPTraining" <jh_raskin@yahoo.ca> From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Sep 23 17:17:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76892 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2004 00:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2004 00:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2004 00:17:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20040923223444.4880.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.85] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:34:44 PDT Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:34:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000701c4a1ae$63966a80$90b70642@4bmx301> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SAP official course X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Chris Cuff wrote: > We won't be getting any more of this spammers mail. > CC I got this on another list and reported it to both yahoo and hotmail. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From tomray@wor710.com Thu Sep 23 20:42:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32780 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2004 03:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2004 03:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2004 03:42:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2004 03:42:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 03:42:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1009 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Computer Virus Alert X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Just a post to alert you about a new virus that is out that we got hammered with at WOR. Matter of fact, we are the ones who reported it to Symantec. The virus is called Bling. It takes over the network port on your computer, starts hitting the Internet, and eventually (like, within 3 minutes) overwhelms your ISP to the point where your modem will get thrown out of their system. To see if you are infected, bring up Task Mangler, er, Manager, and check the running processes list. If you see bling.exe, you are in deep doo doo. Update your antivirus now and you should be safe. If you have bling, you should download the tool that your AV provider has on their site, run it, update your antivirus, then see if the file is gone (it usually lives in WINNT). If it's not gone, you will need to reboot in safe mode to delete it, then reboot normally. If the file has returned, your antivirus should catch it on reboot. This one is very nasty. Thought you'd appreciate hearing about it. Tom Ray WOR From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 24 01:02:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88596 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2004 08:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2004 08:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2004 08:02:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2004 08:02:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:02:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 902 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.14.150 Subject: Re: 3GV's AM Stereo - some dissapointing news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > > Some sad news ... courtesy of the MWOZ list. > > > btw - WOR Tom > > I still haven't received the CD of WOR in IBOC ... but it's OK. I've > stopped holding my breath. > > > Ian > Melbourne > > > I spoke with the 3GV techo over the phone & he said 3GV 1242 does > not broadcast in AM stereo as the Motorola encoder has had technical > problems for some time & Motorola no longer offer technical support. > So repair is impossible. So 3GV will no longer be AM stereo ever > again. > > The stereo pilot was turned off today (they had been running the > pilot even though the music was not broadcast in stereo). Another > AM stereo bites the dust........ > > Geoff Hay You would think that some one here would be abal help. After all thats what this site is here for. Right Kevin?!?!?!?! Jim S. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 24 01:29:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88909 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2004 08:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2004 08:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2004 08:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.124.14.150 with login) by smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2004 08:29:42 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c4a210$550b5900$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 01:27:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.83 From: Subject: crystals in exciters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I would like to see insted this site leting AM STEREO stations die to help them stay and get on the air. I read the intro to this when first came here and thats what it said in part to do insted of siting and wineing about it. Thats why i am asking for your help so we can help keep and bring AM STEREO back in to peoles lives. Maybe some one has there email some can send a link to this site so maybe thay can stay on the air with AM STEREO. Ok off the soap box. I still need some one to put crystals in for me. The sooner another AM STEREO station hopefuly will be on the air. I thought thats what this site was ment for to help keep AM STEREO alive not let it wither a way. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Fri Sep 24 01:57:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62477 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2004 08:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2004 08:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail2.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.13) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2004 08:57:15 -0000 Received: from csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9E954037 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:57:13 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3B854033 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:57:13 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8O8vDfB009617 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:57:13 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:57:12 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.2.13 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3GV's AM Stereo - some dissapointing news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, jim smith wrote: > Hay You would think that some one here would be abal help. After > all thats what this site is here for. Right Kevin?!?!?!?! Jim S. Yeah! Right gang??? Well done Jim. Keep punching! If anyone is prepared to help - please send a message to the GM and PM ... General Manager: Doug Bell andrewd@aceradio.com.au Program Manager: Andrew Deak bell@aceradio.com.au Much as Melbourne still has 3 stations still broadcasting in AMS this was Victoria's second best AM stereo station. Things are looking very grim here. Ian From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 24 02:05:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11786 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2004 09:05:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2004 09:05:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2004 09:05:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2004 09:04:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:04:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 594 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.10 Subject: {AMSF} Re: 3GV's AM Stereo - some dissapointing news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics If 3GV's C-Quam exciter has given up the ghost, surely it would not take superhuman efforts for them to find a suitable replacement. It's just a matter of whether they think it's worthwhile or not. And in that regard, it would definitely be helpful to let them know that there _are_ people out there who listen to and enjoy AM Stereo. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > If anyone is prepared to help - please send a message to the GM and > PM ... > > General Manager: Doug Bell andrewd@a... > > Program Manager: Andrew Deak bell@a... From dav259@csiro.au Fri Sep 24 02:20:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40060 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2004 09:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2004 09:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail3.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.14) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2004 09:20:12 -0000 Received: from csiromail3.vic.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with SMTP id C7DC254025 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:20:10 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by csiromail3.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4CE554009 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:20:10 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8O9KAfB010470 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:20:10 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:20:10 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.2.14 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3GV's AM Stereo - some dissapointing news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Kevin T. wrote: > If 3GV's C-Quam exciter has given up the ghost, surely it would not > take superhuman efforts for them to find a suitable replacement. > It's just a matter of whether they think it's worthwhile or not. > And in that regard, it would definitely be helpful to let them know > that there _are_ people out there who listen to and enjoy AM Stereo. Kevin - therein may lie the problem. I can barely pick up 3GV at all - certainly not in a listenable state. I get 2CA Canberra better - fading in and out - but the stereo is always there - and that's twice as far away. It strikes me that the DX crowd seemed to appreciate 3GV in stereo more than anyone. Maybe anyone on this list could pop off an e-mail to 3GVreception@aceradio.com.au and simply ask why the stereo has gone. What have we got to lose? I think the wheels are starting to drop off in Oz. And DAB seems years away here. It's such a shame that the average radio listener in Oz still has never heard about AM stereo. Ian From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 24 02:35:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27084 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2004 09:35:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2004 09:35:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2004 09:35:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2004 09:35:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:35:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c4a210$550b5900$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2287 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.54 Subject: Re: crystals in exciters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: [snip] Replacing a crystal can be both easy and hard. Crystals usually are in cans that are plugged into a socket, usually accessable. The trick is, finding the right type of crystal (not all crystals r\ated for a frequency are the same) and the type of socket. Finding the frequency is easily- The crystal's frequency is almost always 4x the transmitter frequency. This means, for, say, KFRC's 610kHz, you need a crystal rated at 2440kHz. Usually the crystal socket for an exciter or transmitter is large, since it must deal with the power of the device. There are some dealers online that sell broadcast transmitter & exciter crystals, but expect to pay at least $20-$100 for a new crystal of this type. You might luck out and get a good deal from a reliable source- Even "used" ones that are still good, and will work with that model. The NEXT concern is acquiring a cable that connects the exciter's output to the transmitter's crystal socket. Here again, you have the same issues, except for worrying about the crystal itself. Is it easy to swap a crystal? Yes. Is it easy to get one? Not as easy as it would seem at first thought. When ordering a new crystal and can, you need to consider manufacturer, model, size of the socket and power rating....and the frequency. Retuning and plugging in a\n exciter is easy. It's the realignment that can be hardest and most frustrating. And the hardest thing of all: Does the station really WANT to have your exciter? Don't assume yes. There are people who would love to have this equipment- myself included- but there are alot more out there who don't, and don't think it's worth their time. So what should you do? To be honest, I have no idea. You may have to sell the exciters to someone who actually wants them. (I recommend that over giving them away- At least you'll get something back for the effort.) I'm not trying to be mean, just realistic. Your heart is in a good place, and I think what you want to do is wonderful...just not thought out well enough. Yes, we need to keep AMS alive-- in the hands (or paws, in my case) of those who really do care about AMS. And there are alot of us around here and there. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Fri Sep 24 03:19:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14825 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2004 10:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2004 10:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail3.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.14) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2004 10:19:43 -0000 Received: from csiromail3.vic.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 05F1A54036 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:19:41 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by csiromail3.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE13E5402F for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:19:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8OAJefB012491 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:19:40 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:19:40 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.2.14 From: Ian Davidson Subject: One last bash??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 OK. I've gone very quiet lately. Maybe I'm accepting reality - but I see AM stereo slowly dying here in Oz. I still love it as much as the first time I heard it on my Sangean SR66 in 1985. Then we had 3LO, 3UZ, 3DB, 3KZ, 3AW, 3MP, me-too 3XY, and 3AK in it. It was heaven! Now we just have 3UZ - racing radio, 3AK - 'let's talk sport', and thankfully Magic 693 (BETTER THAN EVER!) in AMS. How long will it last? Good old UK Dave sent me a message earlier this week saying I'd gone quiet. So I tried to explain it to him. This is what I said to Dave. It's not that nice. But it was from the heart and is the way I feel. It mentions names. And I'm sorry if it offends anyone but is truly the way I feel. But in the spirit of democracy I should be able to say what I feel. I've been through the lists of Bryan, Dennis, Kevin T, and Bob (plus a few related lists). I've always tried to stop any of their lists imploding (except Bob's - cause I'm not there). The AM Stereo Forum now is bigger than ever. But I worry about the enthusiasm of its members. I always wanted our AMS list to be a lobby group. It may be our last chance at this point in time to do something positive to support the advancement of AM stereo. This is what I said to Dave ... and apologies to those named ... but you've all gone quiet too. Please explain ... -- -- -- -- Quite frankly I am pretty pissed off with the list(s) and I suppose I've gone quiet rather than kicking up a storm. I still really haven't got over people's attempts to implode the Forum seven months ago. I've been through it all before - and I've never supported fragmenting our list - which is too small to start with. I am glad the majority have stayed on the Forum - but can't help thinking that Bob was a prize troublemaker on the Forum trying to get everyone across to his list. Dennis was just as guilty - but I don't harbour any grudges with him. I think I understand him. I was on Bob's list just long enough to see Michael from Wyoming and Matt Trim highjack the web site. It was all so unnecessary and sad to see it taken away from Kevin T who I thought did a good job with it - particularly when nobody else seemed to want it. People have short memories. I was even disappointed with Chris for publicly criticising Kevin T on the Forum - particularly when they are both moderators and supposedly friends. I think he should have said something to his friend in private. After saying publicly on both lists that I supported the Forum and didn't want to see any fragmentation I was dumped from Bob's list - without comment. Three months later I resubscribed to Bob's list and didn't get on - also without comment. Are there many on his list? How active is it? I just still feel a bit shat off. I think we were almost better off a couple of years ago when there were fewer that 100 on the list - but a good percentage had passion and fire in their bellies. Most now seem to be just passive nostalgia buffs. I sort of now feel that I'm slowly witnessing the death of AM stereo - and I'm really upset that in Oz it won't be replaced with DAB for years. I'm one of very few in Oz who seems to care. I'll try to make more of an effort on the Forum. -- -- -- -- Hey ... this message is a start ... Ian Melbourne From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 24 05:02:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23605 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2004 12:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2004 12:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2004 12:02:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2004 12:01:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:01:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c4a13d$e277de40$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 552 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.14.150 Subject: Re: KCBS AM 740 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hi Gang Well i guess KCBS AM 740 is done with Icrap for now. There Icrap signal was off as of wensday. Ok i know no one can help me with retuneing thoughs exciters. But can some one put new crystals in for me mybe? Can't and wont do it my self. See what my main goal is to make them more apealing to the stations. Thanks Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Hi I thought i would reshow this agan. I will not open thoughs up. Jim Smith From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 24 11:23:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47546 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2004 18:23:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2004 18:23:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2004 18:23:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2004 18:23:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:23:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4367 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.54 Subject: Re: One last bash??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: [snip] Ian, no. The worst type of enthusiast is the kind who tears down others because you perceive that they're in your way for the cause. I liken these to soccer's "hooligans"- Very destructive people that don't do anything positive for that which they supposedly love. They don't help the cause- They hurt it by causing such animosity that those enthusiastic for the cause become divided. The AM stereo community is so divided today just because of that kind of destructive animosity. We can't be taken seriously even by those sympathetic to our love for AM stereo because of certain INDIVIDUALS who have taken upon themselves to attack others, to sabotage their efforts, to send threats and other vindictive missives, even to cause one group to be effectively destroyed out of a perceived threat of competition, even with the use of fake identities for the sole purpose of destroying the competition. We don't need more Leonard Kahns in the AM stereo community- But we have them nonetheless. We need more positive forces in the community, not more anger, hate and further insults. Lashing out at the rest of us is just not going to be helpful- It only hurts us all more, and opens old, painful wounds. Doing so, you become part of the problem. Why not be part of the solution? Do somethning positive for that which you love- AM stereo. Most of us do feel quite helpless about the state of the AM broadcast band- Not just the loss of AM stereo. Losing AMS is only part of the problem- a symptom of even greater problems in radio today. So what can be done about that? Probably not much. That's why we feel as helpless as we have of late. We may not be able to save AMS on the AM band, or the AM band itself- This may be beyond anything any of us can do. But we can preserve and promote AMS beyond commercial AM broadcasting, even beyond the AM band, if one dares to dream and go for it. There are a few actively trying to get radios out there, and a few trying to get broadcast equipment to stations that WANT AMS. There are those who try to share AMS technology and encourage AMS-related projects. Even despite the heavy division and severe depression supprounding the state of the AM stereo community, there are even those who persevere and do their best to keep AM stereo alive in such things as forums, archives and websites. Dennis' AM stereo archive is still active, and still the largest, and still tended to on a regular basis. Even with known depression and being the recipiant of such divisive attacks over the years, he still refuses to give up on AMS. But he will not attack, and refuses to, only to defend what he is responsible for, and nothing more. But he hasn't given up, no matter how bad things look. He has spoken of other ways. So then- Why should you attack others? Why not try to do something constructive for AMS? It doesn't have to be technical stuff, but you could always try to do what Jeff Deck does- Sell some radios. There are things you can do, if you thinking about it. Being a bullhorn for AMS is a beginning, but not enough- DO something, even if it's a LITTLE thing. Actions do speak louder than words, my friend! And need I remind you, Ian, of something you once said? "What have YOU done lately for AM stereo?" Anger, temper tantrums and attacks (even attacks against major broadcasters who broadcast IBOC) do not help. No, they do far more harm to the cause. They make you look bad, and make all of us look bad. And we have a terrible image problem to start with. Do something constructive for AM stereo. Show a positive image to the world. Put your money- figuratively or literally- where your mouth is, and DO something for AMS. There are many who already do- Jerry WA2FNQ, Neal Newman, Michael J Richard, Bob Carter... Stations like KVON, WSOS, WTTM, CFCO.... Jeff Deck, John P., Chris Cuff, Dennis Falk.... They go the distance, against all the odds. So what are YOU doing for AM stereo? Something constructively positive, I hope! And then there is me, one lonely little mouse in the redwoods, and yet I try to do things as constructive as I can for AMS. Whether I have made an impact, only others can say, but at least I do give an effort. How about you? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 24 14:05:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52326 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2004 21:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2004 21:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2004 21:05:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2004 21:05:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:05:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3029 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.11 Subject: Re: One last Bush??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > We can't be taken seriously even by those sympathetic to our love > for AM stereo because of certain INDIVIDUALS who have taken upon > themselves to attack others, {snip} > even with the use of fake identities {snip} > Lashing out at the rest of us is just not going to be helpful- {snip} > We need more positive forces in the community, not more anger, hate > and further insults. Attacks... fake identities... lashing out... anger, hate, and insults... "Amy", or should I say Dennis -- how can you expect us to take YOU seriously when you are being so blatantly hypocritical? > Most of us do feel quite helpless about the state of the > AM broadcast band- Maybe you do, but I don't. There was a time when I almost fell into the trap of your whining about how IBOC will lead to the ultimate death of radio broadcasting as we know it today. IBOC will not be the death of radio. People are smarter than that. Good products succeed. Bad products fail. We shall see whether IBOC succeeds or fails, based on its own merits. Even IBOC's most arduent supporters, such as David Eduardo Gleason, have clearly said that if IBOC fails, they will quickly abandon it. Meanwhile, what is good for IBOC is also good for AM Stereo. Stations are installing new stereo-capable studio equipment, STLs, and audio processing, and are optimizing the performance of their transmitters and antenna systems. Those same steps which are intended to provide the best platform for transmitting IBOC also provide the best platform for transmitting AM Stereo. Meanwhile, receiver manufacturers such as Visteon are beginning production of DSP-based radios which can receive *both* IBOC *and* AMAX-complaint AM Stereo. Today, AM Stereo is where RDS was three years ago. Everyone was saying that IBOC would render RDS obsolete, and very few RDS-capable receivers were in production, so stations in North America were turning it off left and right. At one point, there was not a single station in New York City transmitting an RDS signal. Everyone had abandoned it. But, look at RDS today. More and more stations are transmitting it, and the receivers are coming back into the marketplace. And despite the "Clear Channel Sucks!" mantra that *some* people here once proclaimed, Clear Channel has actually become one of the biggest supporters of RDS. AM Stereo is here. Stations are broadcasting it. People are listening to it. Receivers which support it are being manufactured and sold. AM Stereo will not be forgotten -- at least until something *truly* better comes along. > Dennis' AM stereo archive is still active, and still the largest, > and still tended to on a regular basis. Even with known depression > and being the recipiant of such divisive attacks over the years, he > still refuses to give up on AMS. But he will not attack, and > refuses to, only to defend what he is responsible for, and nothing > more. No, Dennis would never attack -- instead, he replies upon "Amy" to do so. <> From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Fri Sep 24 17:15:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78866 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2004 00:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2004 00:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2004 00:15:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2004 00:15:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:15:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 81 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: One last Bash??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << "Amy", or should I say Dennis >> Wow... this is getting REALLLLLY bizarre. From dav259@csiro.au Fri Sep 24 19:17:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95427 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2004 02:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2004 02:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail3.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2004 02:17:50 -0000 Received: from csiromail3.vic.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 9543C54018 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:17:48 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by csiromail3.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DA25400A for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:17:48 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8P2HlfB020103 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:17:48 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:17:47 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.2.14 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: One last bash??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Amy Mousie wrote: > Lashing out at the rest of us is just not going to be helpful- It > only hurts us all more, and opens old, painful wounds. Doing so, you > become part of the problem. Well spoken Amy. I agree with pretty much all you say. I unreservedly apologise to anybody who I may have upset. [written spoken and authorised by the Downunder Branch of the International Alliance for the Advancement of AM stereo] Sometimes in my view we all just need a wake up call. Don't worry - I will continue the fight for AMS here - but the troups on the ground are now in short supply. I guess I am really lucky that Magic 693 is still putting out such a wonderful AMS signal - plus the fact that it's my favourite music station. This week they played so many great instrumental hits ... Herb Alpert etc - stuff that sounds so good in hi fi stereo. I'm so scared that (as Basil Faulty might say) this avenue of pleasure is likely to be cut off at any moment. Long live AM stereo! Ian Melbourne From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Sep 24 19:43:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14378 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2004 02:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2004 02:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2004 02:43:24 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.19.211]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:43:22 -0600 Message-ID: <002001c4a2a9$eebf3e60$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:46:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2004 02:43:23.0694 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D1BFCE0:01C4A2A9] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Part 15 DRM possible?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'm wondering about any digital mode and part 15. It's limited to 100mW *input* power to the final stage. With class C you can get about 70-75mW output. With digital you have to run class A and might get all of 30mW out. Being that digital is more efficient, the range might be the same? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "wa2fnq" > The DRM stuff is interesting but it's in a different league than > good old hifi AM stereo. From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Sep 24 19:53:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62129 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2004 02:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2004 02:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2004 02:53:00 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.19.211]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:52:57 -0600 Message-ID: <005501c4a2ab$451f4100$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:56:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2004 02:52:58.0114 (UTC) FILETIME=[C37D8620:01C4A2AA] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3GV's AM Stereo - some dissapointing news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If theirs is an original 1300, chances are all it needs is new electrolytic caps. Anyone that can wield a soldering iron could do it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim smith" > > I spoke with the 3GV techo over the phone & he said 3GV 1242 does > > not broadcast in AM stereo as the Motorola encoder has had technical > > problems for some time & Motorola no longer offer technical support. > > So repair is impossible. So 3GV will no longer be AM stereo ever > > again. > Hay You would think that some one here would be abal help. After > all thats what this site is here for. Right Kevin?!?!?!?! From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Sep 24 19:55:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81172 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2004 02:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2004 02:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2004 02:55:55 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.19.211]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:55:53 -0600 Message-ID: <005b01c4a2ab$ae686100$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <000a01c4a210$550b5900$c188fea9@jimsmith> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:59:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2004 02:55:54.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[2CABCB20:01C4A2AB] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} crystals in exciters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I could do a new rock for you. It's simple enough- lots of shops still make them. You pay shipping both ways. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > > I still need some one to put crystals in for me. The sooner another AM STEREO station hopefuly will be on the air. I thought thats what this site was ment for to help keep AM STEREO alive not let it wither a way. Jim Smith From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Sep 24 20:02:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67569 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2004 03:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2004 03:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2004 03:02:34 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.19.211]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:02:32 -0600 Message-ID: <006701c4a2ac$9c2ebd80$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:06:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2004 03:02:33.0566 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A7C87E0:01C4A2AC] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: crystals in exciters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I could probably get a new one from ICM or JAN for ~$30 with postage. If they don't have any data on the rock itself, you send the old one in and they have ways of figuring out what the new one should be even without dismantling the old one. Did that for an old Muzak SCA RX- was on 107.5; recrystalled for 98.5. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > Is it easy to swap a crystal? Yes. Is it easy to get one? Not as easy > as it would seem at first thought. > > When ordering a new crystal and can, you need to consider > manufacturer, model, size of the socket and power rating....and the > frequency. > From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Sep 24 20:10:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59611 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2004 03:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2004 03:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2004 03:10:07 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.19.211]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:10:05 -0600 Message-ID: <007701c4a2ad$aa141020$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:13:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2004 03:10:06.0264 (UTC) FILETIME=[2850C380:01C4A2AD] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3GV's AM Stereo - some dissapointing news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Get me the CE's email address and I'll offer to recap the thing. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" > Well done Jim. Keep punching! > > If anyone is prepared to help - please send a message to the GM and PM ... > > General Manager: Doug Bell andrewd@aceradio.com.au > > Program Manager: Andrew Deak bell@aceradio.com.au > From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 24 22:45:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 43952 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2004 05:45:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2004 05:45:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2004 05:45:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2004 05:45:43 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18657 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2004 04:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2004 04:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2004 04:28:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2004 04:28:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 04:28:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002001c4a2a9$eebf3e60$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 854 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.54 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Part 15 DRM possible?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 25 Sep 2004 05:45:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I'm wondering about any digital mode and part 15. It's limited to 100mW > *input* power to the final stage. With class C you can get about 70-75mW > output. With digital you have to run class A and might get all of 30mW out. > Being that digital is more efficient, the range might be the same? I would think much greater, beiung that in DRM, it's unnecessary to broadcast with a carrier (you can have it, but it IS unnecessary), thus you can put out more sideband energy. A carrier is 2/3 your energy output, so if you do SSB at 100mW, it would be like broadcasting with 300mW, plus the sidebands carry better than the carrier, so... With DRM, you might get out a very good range, providing the usual caveats of ground conductivity and antenna tuning. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 24 23:08:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67599 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2004 06:08:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2004 06:08:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2004 06:08:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2004 06:08:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 06:08:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 741 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.11 Subject: Re: One last Bash??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Wow... this is getting REALLLLLY bizarre. For a moment, I considered deleting my reply, but I've decided not to. Concerning the future of AM Stereo, I stand by everything I wrote. And concerning what I said to "Amy", let's just agree to put that behind us. Anyone who is an AM Stereo enthusiast is welcome to participate here; as long as you care about AM Stereo, it doesn't matter if you're a Harvard graduate, or a member of the lunatic fringe. If I wanted to keep out certain people, I would've made this a private group, like some other AM Stereo lists are. But this is a public Forum, and all are welcome. As long as a single station is broadcasting AM Stereo, I'll be here -- and I hope everyone else will be, too. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Sep 25 07:20:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56628 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2004 14:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2004 14:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2004 14:05:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20040925140530.92697.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.0.194.48] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 07:05:30 PDT Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 07:05:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.72 From: "John P." Subject: AM Stereo Will Continue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Gang, there's no reason that (CQuam) AM Stereo cannot co-exist with IBOC. Visteon even makes a radio that receives both CQuam stereo and IBOC, and there's still millions of automotive AMS tuners (including the new Fords). Perhaps the FCC may even accept the suggestion that AM stations broadcast AM IBOC only during day pattern (or 7AM-6PM) and CQuam is used the other 12 hours of the broadcast day. Other than the 2nd adjacent interference problem with some IBOC stations, there's no reason we can't have CQuam and IBOC. Canada will stick with CQuam, and Mexico is testing DAB at this time, so who knows what will end up? With today's technology, you don't need the "A/B" switch of the Sony to decide which AM stereo mode to decode. You could make a radio that would decode C-Quam, IBOC, Kahn-ISB, Harris, etc and have DSB decoding. The technology is available to make decent receivers - if the manufacturers want to make them. Topic #2 - what time is the stereo Sinatra show on WPHT 1210AM ? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Sep 25 08:34:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79801 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2004 15:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2004 15:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2004 15:34:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2004 15:33:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 15:33:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 321 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: SRF-A100 pics? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Does anyone have close-up shots of the top and the rear of the SRF-A100? If so, please e-mail them to me at deepcoffee@yahoo.com. I saw an eBay listing a few months back with GREAT shots from every angle, and I had intended to snag them. But they're not on my hard drive so I guess I didn't do it. thanks... Douglas From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Sep 25 13:57:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63747 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2004 20:57:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2004 20:57:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2004 20:57:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2004 20:57:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 20:57:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040925140530.92697.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1022 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.6 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Will Continue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You could make a radio that would decode C-Quam, IBOC, Kahn-ISB, > Harris, etc and have DSB decoding. The technology is available to > make decent receivers - if the manufacturers want to make them. Or, if the proprietors of these systems allow the receivers to be made. In the '80s, Sony multi-system AM Stereo receivers with automatic switching between the various modes were not sold in the USA, because Motorola claimed that these receivers violated their patents. That wasn't true; Motorola just didn't like the idea of multi-system radios in the marketplace. Today, you can bet iBiquity wouldn't like it if someone reverse- engineered their code and came up with an "IBOC-compatible" exciter or receiver; they would try to stop them from being sold, just as two decades ago when IBM tried to stop all the various "IBM-compatible" PCs from being sold. > Topic #2 - what time is the stereo Sinatra show on WPHT 1210AM ? 7 - 10 PM (Eastern time) on Fridays and Saturdays, and 8 AM - 1 PM on Sundays. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 25 16:30:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12350 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2004 23:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2004 23:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2004 23:30:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20040925233055.96572.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.126] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:30:55 PDT Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:30:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Will Continue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > Today, you can bet iBiquity wouldn't like it if > someone reverse- > engineered their code and came up with an > "IBOC-compatible" exciter > or receiver; they would try to stop them from being > sold, just as two > decades ago when IBM tried to stop all the various > "IBM-compatible" > PCs from being sold. And I was told by the then Harris rep that you could take the Harris IBOC exciter and load the DRM software and VOILA...DRM. I'm just wondering if it's possible to run DRM in the main carrier space and IBOC in the outer sidebands...ah yes...DUAL DIGITAL! And watch the transistors in the transmitter emit smoke. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Sep 25 17:10:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15784 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2004 00:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2004 00:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2004 00:10:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2004 00:10:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 00:10:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040925233055.96572.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1028 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.6 Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Will Continue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > And I was told by the then Harris rep that you could > take the Harris IBOC exciter and load the DRM software > and VOILA...DRM. I'm just wondering if it's possible > to run DRM in the main carrier space and IBOC in the > outer sidebands...ah yes...DUAL DIGITAL! Since IBOC uses QUAM, it would also be entirely possible to program an AM IBOC exciter to produce a C-Quam AM Stereo signal, probably even with no hardware changes necessary. > And watch the transistors in the transmitter emit smoke. I once smoked a hard drive controller board in an old IBM XT by inserting it backwards. The smell was not at all pleasant. But the rest of the computer survived just fine. Today's computers are far less sturdy; you can practically burn out a whole motherboard just by shuffling your feet on the carpet and giving the serial port a static electricity zap with your finger. So when the user's manual warns you to turn off the computer before connecting or disconnecting anything from it, they really do mean it. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 25 19:11:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15069 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2004 02:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2004 02:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52401.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.109) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2004 02:11:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20040926021100.46461.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.93] by web52401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 19:10:59 PDT Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 19:10:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.109 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: OH, and the perfect AM stereo song... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW And for a station with a beautiful music format It's the Ray Charles Singers and the song is "I'm Over Here" a love song sung in stereo high fidelity terms. It's funny. I have it on a Command reel to reel tape, and today got the record, condition really not so known. It looks good after I washed it and got the mildew and mold removed. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Sep 25 23:28:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34518 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2004 06:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2004 06:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2004 06:28:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2004 06:28:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 06:28:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040926021100.46461.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1124 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.6 Subject: Re: OH, and the perfect AM stereo song... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have it on a Command reel to reel tape, and today > got the record, condition really not so known. It > looks good after I washed it and got the mildew and > mold removed. I have a few Command LPs in mint condition, and they are awesome to listen to. Their first LP, "Persuasive Percussion", is probably one of the best stereo demo albums ever recorded (it was also the very first LP to have a gatefold cover). I belive a handful of the Command albums may have been released on CD, but they are extremely rare. I made my own CD of "Persuasive Percussion" by dubbing the LP and using Cool Edit Pro to remove the pops and clicks (although there weren't very many, since it is a clean, well-kept record). Herb Alpert LPs from the '60s also feature absolutely top-notch fidelity and stereo separation. The production is clean enough that when an electric bass guitar is introduced into the song, you can hear the hum of its tube amplifier. These LPs were released on the A&M label, and ironically enough, when you do an eBay search for "AM Stereo", LPs listed as "A&M Stereo" also show up in the results. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 25 23:33:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42751 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2004 06:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2004 06:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52401.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.109) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2004 06:33:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20040926063357.99040.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.65] by web52401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:33:57 PDT Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:33:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.109 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OH, and the perfect AM stereo song... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > I have a few Command LPs in mint condition, and they > are awesome to > listen to. Their first LP, "Persuasive Percussion", > is probably one > of the best stereo demo albums ever recorded (it was > also the very > first LP to have a gatefold cover). I belive a > handful of the > Command albums may have been released on CD, but > they are extremely > rare. I made my own CD of "Persuasive Percussion" > by dubbing the LP > and using Cool Edit Pro to remove the pops and > clicks (although there > weren't very many, since it is a clean, well-kept > record). I scavenge the flea markets and thrift stores and now have most of the early Command series. Indeed those are great albums. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From tomray@wor710.com Sun Sep 26 08:32:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68966 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2004 15:32:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2004 15:32:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2004 15:32:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2004 15:32:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:32:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040925233055.96572.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 416 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Will Continue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > And watch the transistors in the transmitter emit > smoke. > Not a good idea, Powell. Many communities have no smoking regulations, and some nit wit would try to apply it to your transmitter! And don't forget....all electronic devices run on smoke. When the smoke escapes, you'll note it no longer workd! Tom Ray WOR From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 26 09:19:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63405 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2004 16:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2004 16:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2004 16:19:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20040926161936.69695.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.72] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 09:19:36 PDT Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 09:19:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Will Continue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > > And watch the transistors in the transmitter emit > > smoke. > > > > > Not a good idea, Powell. Many communities have no > smoking > regulations, and some nit wit would try to apply it > to your transmitter! > > And don't forget....all electronic devices run on > smoke. When the > smoke escapes, you'll note it no longer workd! That's what happened to the Gates 5 at WVOC, a set of capacitors near some coils let out smoke, and other toxic things. And some transistors went too. It seems this is a problem with the Gates 5 and what went up in flames ( out the top of the box, I might add) was the modification that was supposed to prevent this. This has been a problem with a number of the Gates 5 boxes, the Gates 1 doesn't have this problem. Powell > Tom Ray > WOR > > > ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 26 15:18:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54319 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2004 22:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2004 22:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2004 22:18:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2004 22:18:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:18:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040926161936.69695.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1322 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 68.124.96.18 Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Will Continue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Tom Ray wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > > III W4OPW" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > And watch the transistors in the transmitter emit > > > smoke. > > > > > > > > > Not a good idea, Powell. Many communities have no > > smoking > > regulations, and some nit wit would try to apply it > > to your transmitter! > > > > And don't forget....all electronic devices run on > > smoke. When the > > smoke escapes, you'll note it no longer workd! > > > > That's what happened to the Gates 5 at WVOC, a set of > capacitors near some coils let out smoke, and other > toxic things. And some transistors went too. It seems > this is a problem with the Gates 5 and what went up in > flames ( out the top of the box, I might add) was the > modification that was supposed to prevent this. This > has been a problem with a number of the Gates 5 boxes, > the Gates 1 doesn't have this problem. > > Powell > > > > Tom Ray > > WOR > > > > > > > > > ===== > powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw Hi Gang That would be a bumer because thats what KFRC AM SIX TEN uses now. Thats why i am buying the Harris AMS G1 because its a mach with the Gates 5. Jin Smith From dav259@csiro.au Sun Sep 26 16:48:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65236 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2004 23:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2004 23:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail2.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.13) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2004 23:48:45 -0000 Received: from csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF3E54007 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:48:44 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5CA5403A for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:48:44 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8QNmifB018002 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:48:44 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:48:44 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: <007701c4a2ad$aa141020$d503fea9@home1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.2.13 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3GV's AM Stereo - some dissapointing news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 You are a good man Scott Todd. The CE's name is Ralph Edgar and his e-mail address is ... ralphe@aceradio.com.au THANKS!! Ian ______________________________________ On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Scott Todd wrote: > Get me the CE's email address and I'll offer to recap the thing. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Davidson" > > > Well done Jim. Keep punching! > > > > If anyone is prepared to help - please send a message to the GM and > PM ... > > > > General Manager: Doug Bell andrewd@aceradio.com.au > > > > Program Manager: Andrew Deak bell@aceradio.com.au From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Sep 26 18:31:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31897 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2004 01:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2004 01:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2004 01:31:17 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.35.149]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:31:15 -0600 Message-ID: <003a01c4a432$33469400$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:34:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2004 01:31:16.0209 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE8DAE10:01C4A431] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3GV's AM Stereo - some dissapointing news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You should have the BCC I sent. Hope their open to it. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" To: Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:48 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3GV's AM Stereo - some dissapointing news > > > You are a good man Scott Todd. > > The CE's name is Ralph Edgar and his e-mail address is ... > > ralphe@aceradio.com.au > > THANKS!! > > Ian > ______________________________________ > On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Scott Todd wrote: > > > Get me the CE's email address and I'll offer to recap the thing. > > > > Scott Todd > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ian Davidson" > > > > > Well done Jim. Keep punching! > > > > > > If anyone is prepared to help - please send a message to the GM and > > PM ... > > > > > > General Manager: Doug Bell andrewd@aceradio.com.au > > > > > > Program Manager: Andrew Deak bell@aceradio.com.au > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Sep 26 18:35:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70621 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2004 01:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2004 01:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2004 01:35:25 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.35.149]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:35:23 -0600 Message-ID: <004001c4a432$c72f4360$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:39:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2004 01:35:24.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[426EE360:01C4A432] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Will Continue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Most of Salem's TXs are Gates of one sort or another. Haven't heard of a major problem with them. Maybe I'm just fortunate, but the two at KKMS are about 8yrs old and still going strong; both Gates5s. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim smith" > > That's what happened to the Gates 5 at WVOC, a set of > > capacitors near some coils let out smoke, and other > > toxic things. And some transistors went too. It seems > > this is a problem with the Gates 5 and what went up in > > flames ( out the top of the box, I might add) was the > > modification that was supposed to prevent this. This > > has been a problem with a number of the Gates 5 boxes, > > ===== > > powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > Hi Gang That would be a bumer because thats what KFRC AM SIX TEN > uses now. Thats why i am buying the Harris AMS G1 because its a mach > with the Gates 5. Jin Smith From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 26 18:54:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43568 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2004 01:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2004 01:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2004 01:54:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20040927015426.65366.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.73] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 18:54:26 PDT Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 18:54:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004001c4a432$c72f4360$d503fea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Will Continue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > Most of Salem's TXs are Gates of one sort or > another. Haven't heard of a > major problem with them. Maybe I'm just fortunate, > but the two at KKMS are > about 8yrs old and still going strong; both Gates5s. > Scott Todd Clear Channel has had 5 of them to catch fire like this. It's quite spectacular with flames out the top of the box. If there's nothing above the TX no worry, except the smoke is E X C E P T I O N A L L Y toxic. There's a known fault in the Gates 5 only, and the factory modification to prevent this is what catches fire. I'll see if I can find out details. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From baansy@yahoo.com Sun Sep 26 20:10:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56875 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2004 03:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2004 03:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2004 03:10:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2004 03:10:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 03:10:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 403 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "baansy" X-Originating-IP: 203.39.81.9 Subject: "SPIRIT OF TASMAINIA" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy I'm going on another 18 to 35,s tour over this christmas to Tasmaina. I'm flying to Melbourne and taking the boat over to Devonport. The tour does a big circle right round the state. I don't expect to find any AM STEREO stations there anymore but apparently 1053 2CA comes in quite clear at night as it does here in ADELAIDE. 7LA at LAUNCESTON can also be picked up here in ADELAIDE some nights. From dav259@csiro.au Sun Sep 26 20:44:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71491 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2004 03:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2004 03:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail2.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.13) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2004 03:44:16 -0000 Received: from csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFEB854054 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:44:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98EB54006 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:44:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8R3iEfB017328 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:44:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:44:14 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: <003a01c4a432$33469400$d503fea9@home1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.2.13 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3GV's AM Stereo - some dissapointing news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 26 Sep 2004, Scott Todd wrote: > You should have the BCC I sent. Hope their open to it. Yo! Thanks Scott Now to hold my breath. Hope springs eternal ... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 27 01:19:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64018 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2004 08:19:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2004 08:19:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2004 08:19:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2004 08:19:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:19:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040927015426.65366.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 438 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.2 Subject: Re: AM Stereo Will Continue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Clear Channel has had 5 of them to catch fire like > this. It's quite spectacular with flames out the top > of the box. If there's nothing above the TX no worry, > except the smoke is E X C E P T I O N A L L Y > toxic. There's a known fault in the Gates 5 only, and > the factory modification to prevent this is what > catches fire. I'll see if I can find out details. Do you get your money back if "flameproof" resistors aren't? From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 27 01:20:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23211 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2004 08:20:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2004 08:20:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2004 08:20:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2004 08:17:27 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10494 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2004 05:23:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2004 05:23:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2004 05:23:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2004 05:23:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 05:23:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 649 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.74 Subject: Re: "SPIRIT OF TASMAINIA" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 27 Sep 2004 08:17:24 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "baansy" wrote: > I'm going on another 18 to 35,s tour over this christmas to Tasmaina. > I'm flying to Melbourne and taking the boat over to Devonport. The > tour does a big circle right round the state. > > I don't expect to find any AM STEREO stations there anymore but > apparently 1053 2CA comes in quite clear at night as it does here in > ADELAIDE. > > 7LA at LAUNCESTON can also be picked up here in ADELAIDE some nights. Don't know if 1080 7HT is still going (863 7HO is gone to FM), or if there is any left in the Hobart area, so all I can say is good luck. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Sep 27 08:26:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34267 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2004 15:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2004 15:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2004 15:26:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2004 15:25:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:25:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 532 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: AMAX GM Delco X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Finally got this guy hooked up in my car: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7918487037 Until now, I haven't had Extended Band in AM Stereo. As it turns out, 1700 AM in Dallas DOES have the AM Stereo on. 1700 is a mirror transmitter for 1310 The Ticket, which doesn't have the greatest coverage (although coverage limitations have never hurt the ratings). As I switch back and forth between 1310 mono and 1700 AM Stereo, there's NO comparison. It's crazy, even for a Talker format, to stay mono. From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Sep 27 10:00:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9392 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2004 17:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2004 17:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2004 17:00:32 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-66-72-38-81.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [66.72.38.81]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8RH0OPc085837 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:00:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001c01c4a4b3$7cafbe10$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:00:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMAX GM Delco X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Finally got this guy hooked up in my car: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7918487037 > > Until now, I haven't had Extended Band in AM Stereo. As it turns out, 1700 AM in > Dallas DOES have the AM Stereo on. 1700 is a mirror transmitter for 1310 The Ticket, > which doesn't have the greatest coverage (although coverage limitations have never > hurt the ratings). As I switch back and forth between 1310 mono and 1700 AM > Stereo, there's NO comparison. It's crazy, even for a Talker format, to stay mono. > I can't believe you got that puppy for $ 7.50! I've been paying $60-$70 at junkyards for them. I will admit that you wound up with one heck of a radio. I have 5 of them (2 have since died) and they sound great. I'm just mad because you got it for $7.50 (less than $20 after paying shipping). From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 27 11:36:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24574 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2004 18:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2004 18:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2004 18:36:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20040927183624.29076.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.101] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:36:24 PDT Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:36:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Will Continue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > Clear Channel has had 5 of them to catch fire like > > this. It's quite spectacular with flames out the > top > > of the box. If there's nothing above the TX no > worry, > > except the smoke is E X C E P T I O N A L L Y > > toxic. There's a known fault in the Gates 5 only, > and > > the factory modification to prevent this is what > > catches fire. I'll see if I can find out details. > Do you get your money back if "flameproof" resistors > aren't? Sorta like taking matches back and saying they only worked once? Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Sep 27 12:27:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32232 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2004 19:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2004 19:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2004 19:27:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2004 19:27:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:27:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01c4a4b3$7cafbe10$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 162 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMAX GM Delco X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << I can't believe you got that puppy for $ 7.50! >> No kidding. And it was a "buy it now" auction, too. I think I found it on the first day it was listed. From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Mon Sep 27 20:54:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18944 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 03:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 03:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 03:54:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2004 03:53:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 03:53:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 216 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 207.69.139.134 Subject: I'm Not Making This Up! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 On Tuesday, September 28th, Clear Channel will dump the KABL call letters and put on that liberal Air America network on. The worst thing is that they already shut off the stereo light. No shame I tell you. Tom From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 27 21:43:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21556 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 04:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 04:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 04:42:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20040928044258.86201.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.80] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:42:58 PDT Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:42:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} I'm Not Making This Up! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- tom_richard1980@yahoo.com wrote: > On Tuesday, September 28th, Clear Channel will dump > the KABL call > letters and put on that liberal Air America network > on. The worst > thing is that they already shut off the stereo > light. > > No shame I tell you. > > Tom Indeed. They should have left the stereo on and only broadcast in the left channel. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Sep 28 00:35:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57438 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 07:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 07:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 07:35:16 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.178.83]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.2.315.0) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 03:42:17 -0400 Message-ID: <002001c4a52d$a2bfb2c0$53b20642@4bmx301> To: References: <20040928044258.86201.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 03:34:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I'm Not Making This Up! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fur will fly on this one- That was a very popular station. When WNEW 1130 went to Bloomburg radio, people protested in front of the NY Times building, for what good it did. Sad. Chris ----- Original Message ----- --- tom_richard1980@yahoo.com wrote: > On Tuesday, September 28th, Clear Channel will dump > the KABL call > letters and put on that liberal Air America network > on. The worst [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 28 01:06:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3754 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 08:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 08:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 08:06:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2004 08:06:25 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69292 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 07:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 07:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 07:57:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2004 07:56:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:56:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002001c4a52d$a2bfb2c0$53b20642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 624 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.74 Subject: Re: {AMSF} I'm Not Making This Up! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Sep 2004 08:06:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 What this also means is that the only MAJOR AM station in California broadcasting in AMS is KABC 790, Los Angeles. Losing KABL is a major blow to west-coast AMS. In the whole state, there's probably less than a dozen AMS broadcasters, nearly all of them minor/local or specialty broadcasters. Last year's loss of 1070 KNX, especially right in the middle of the terrible fires was equally as bad for AMS. If I'm not mistaken, the only remaining C-QUAM station in the San Francisco Bay Area is KVON in Napa. To tell you the truth, I'm at a loss as to what to say, but I do hope KVON hangs in there. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 28 01:18:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65736 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 08:18:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 08:18:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 08:18:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2004 08:17:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:17:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 999 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.1 Subject: Re: KABL (ding-ding!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > On Tuesday, September 28th, Clear Channel will dump the KABL call > letters and put on that liberal Air America network on. The worst > thing is that they already shut off the stereo light. I'll bet you the C-Quam exciter is still in KABL's air chain... all they did was switch it into the "L+R mono" mode, which sums the two audio channels to mono and disables the pilot tone. They may have simply hit the "Pilot Off" button, however. Listen with a "forced Stereo" receiver, like a Sony SRF-series, and see if you can still hear any stereo separation during local programming elements (IDs, commercials, liners, etc.). As for the loss of KABL's Adult Standards music format, it's rumored to be continuing on FM. But in that case it will probably suffer from poor signal coverage, like most FM stations in the San Fransciso area. And that's the same thing Crawford did with the "Legends" format in upstate NY -- first they moved it from AM to FM, then they dumped it entirely. From brucec@mindspring.com Tue Sep 28 07:23:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64250 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 14:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 14:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 14:23:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2004 14:22:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:22:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 663 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: {AMSF} I'm Not Making This Up! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter ABC / Disney programs AM stereo on KDIS 1110. So far, they are keeping C-Quam on several of their outlets including the flagship station in Dallas. I do know of one case where they shut it down, however, and another case where the station is trying IBOC. So I don't think there is any real direction from the network on what to do. It makes sense for Dallas to maintain stereo, since they feed the network and their programming is stereo on XM and Sirius. C- Quam is just a little benefit of being in their home city. Another benefit is that if they start the IBOC nonsense here, it will be a clear indicator that they intend to do it nationwide. From kya1260@lycos.com Tue Sep 28 07:29:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64742 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 14:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 14:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 14:29:32 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 7289E180284A for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:28:48 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Sep 2004 14:28:47 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 651E0CA094; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:28:47 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 06:28:47 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevtronics@yahoo.com Cc: YIPEitsDJJ@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 06:28:47 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040928142847.651E0CA094@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Jay Arnold" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.95.242 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KABL (ding-ding!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ I believe Monday KABL was running promos on 960 AM suggesting to tune to 92.1 "MC" (megacycles; I don't like megahertz) in Walnut Creek... KABL, though, will lose many listeners by defacto. The 92.1 cannot be heard in Sonoma County, where KABL's dominant signal had a huge influx of listeners there, or in the southern Napa Valley where I live - as we get the 92.1 out of Placerville (Sacramento)... I don't believe 92.1 can be heard on the San Francisco Peninsula or East Bay Area very well, either, due to KSJO 92.3 MC in San Jose... As for AM Stereo in the San Francisco Bay Area, there are only TWO stations left (someone please correct me if I'm wrong): KDYA 1190 in Vallejo (Richmond), which is just "lighting up the light" (read: no true stereo), and KVON 1440 in Napa, where my Saturday Night oldies show sounds pretty good in AM Stereo... San Francisco-proper has no AM Stereo stations now, no? --jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:17:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: KABL (ding-ding!) > > On Tuesday, September 28th, Clear Channel will dump the KABL call > > letters and put on that liberal Air America network on. The worst > > thing is that they already shut off the stereo light. > > I'll bet you the C-Quam exciter is still in KABL's air chain... all > they did was switch it into the "L+R mono" mode, which sums the two > audio channels to mono and disables the pilot tone. > > They may have simply hit the "Pilot Off" button, however. Listen > with a "forced Stereo" receiver, like a Sony SRF-series, and see if > you can still hear any stereo separation during local programming > elements (IDs, commercials, liners, etc.). > > As for the loss of KABL's Adult Standards music format, it's rumored > to be continuing on FM. But in that case it will probably suffer > from poor signal coverage, like most FM stations in the San Fransciso > area. And that's the same thing Crawford did with the "Legends" > format in upstate NY -- first they moved it from AM to FM, then they > dumped it entirely. > > What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From kya1260@lycos.com Tue Sep 28 07:35:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34667 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 14:35:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 14:35:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 14:35:46 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id B55E418028D8 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:34:46 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Sep 2004 14:34:42 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2C134CA095; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:34:42 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 06:34:41 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amymousie@yahoo.com Cc: yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 06:34:41 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040928143442.2C134CA095@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Jay Arnold" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.95.242 Subject: Re: {AMSF} I'm Not Making This Up! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ "Amy Mousie" says... > If I'm not mistaken, the only remaining C-QUAM station in the San > Francisco Bay Area is KVON in Napa. Except for KDYA 1190 in nearby Vallejo, which last I heard is just lighting up the stereo light (i.e. no stereo seperation), yup - KVON's the last AM Stereo station left in the nine Bay Area counties... Sad... > To tell you the truth, I'm at a loss as to what to say, but I do hope > KVON hangs in there. Mike Martindale, our C.E., says the signal is staying on far as we can see, even if we are talk all but five hours of the week... --Sincerely, Jay Arnold, KVYN Morning Host, Saturday Night "GoldVine" Host/Producer (KVON/KVYN) -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From kya1260@lycos.com Tue Sep 28 08:07:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1809 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 15:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 15:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 15:07:32 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id B432E1802AD4 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:07:29 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Sep 2004 15:07:02 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DF5DFE5BC9; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:07:01 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:07:01 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amymousie@yahoo.com Cc: yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:07:01 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040928150701.DF5DFE5BC9@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Jay Arnold" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.95.242 Subject: Fast follow-up Re: {AMSF} KABL (ding-ding!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ In the last month, two "adult standards" stations have departed from Northern California AMs: 1) KEWE 1340 in Oroville (Chico), which is now ESPN Radio (Clear Channel has recently sold that and several other Chico-area stations to a local group) 2) KABL 960, which also shut its stereo off If any consolation, KCTC 1320 in Sacramento is STILL in stereo and still doing adult standards, even if it's the "Music Of Your Life" satellite feed with Wink Martindale, Gary Owens, et al... Incidentally, KCTC is one of those rarities that has TWO different tower sites, one for day, one for night, and BOTH sites have C-QUAM AM Stereo exciters in use! KCTC is a very weak DX report in East Bay/Napa Valley, due to the presence "Radio Disney 1310" in Oakland... The only other AMs north of San Francisco or Sacto doing non-foreign music, for that matter - are: KWSW 790 in Eureka (standards on satellite, but not "Music Of Your Life"); KIQS 1560 in Willows (a 250-watt daytimer doing '60s-'70s pop) KBLF 1490 in Red Bluff ('60s-'70s pop) KLXR 1230 in Redding ("Music Of Your Life" satellite) All mono, yes... --Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Arnold" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 06:34:41 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amymousie@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} I'm Not Making This Up! > "Amy Mousie" says... > > If I'm not mistaken, the only remaining C-QUAM station in the San > > Francisco Bay Area is KVON in Napa. > > Except for KDYA 1190 in nearby Vallejo, which last I heard is just lighting up the stereo light (i.e. no stereo seperation), yup - > KVON's the last AM Stereo station left in the nine Bay Area counties... > Sad... > > > To tell you the truth, I'm at a loss as to what to say, but I do hope > > KVON hangs in there. > > Mike Martindale, our C.E., says the signal is staying on far as we > can see, even if we are talk all but five hours of the week... > --Sincerely, > Jay Arnold, > KVYN Morning Host, > Saturday Night "GoldVine" Host/Producer (KVON/KVYN) > -- > _______________________________________________ > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From kya1260@lycos.com Tue Sep 28 08:35:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14765 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 15:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 15:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 15:34:58 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id DCF0218006CD for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:34:53 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Sep 2004 15:34:30 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5ED70E5BC9; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:34:27 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:34:27 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:34:27 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040928153427.5ED70E5BC9@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Jay Arnold" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.95.242 Subject: 2nd Fast follow-up Re: {AMSF} KABL (ding-ding!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Someone has mentioned that KPCO 1370 in the little burgh of Quincy (the Northern Sierra Nevada) is "Music Of Your Life," and in C-QUAM Stereo!! --jay -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From zebra@strangeanimals.net Tue Sep 28 08:43:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56766 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 15:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 15:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 15:43:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2004 15:42:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:42:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 593 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "amradiozebra" X-Originating-IP: 67.164.23.118 Subject: well, ya knew it was coming... but I just heard it. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra Now, I like that Al Franken is pointing out when the old guard of talk radio is bullshitting me. (hey - it's nothing new - the tradition of feeding your readers/listeners BS predates clay tablets... even Franken, who really does a little research, spins more than a bit.) But the radio station I mainly listen to is KABL. Wouldn't you know it! And only my good radios (i.e. old ones) can pull in any part of the FM signal at all. So long AM Stereo, it's been nice knowing you. D**n you George Bush! If you hadn't screwed up the reconstruction of Iraq - I'd still have my KABL!! From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Sep 28 08:56:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51370 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 15:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 15:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52402.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.110) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 15:56:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20040928155600.18182.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.89] by web52402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:56:00 PDT Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:56:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002001c4a52d$a2bfb2c0$53b20642@4bmx301> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.110 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} I'm Not Making This Up! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Chris Cuff wrote: > Fur will fly on this one- That was a very popular > station. When WNEW 1130 went to Bloomburg radio, > people protested in front of the NY Times building, > for what good it did. > Sad. > Chris Who is sending in the Attack Bear? And don't forget WQEW, either! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 28 08:56:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9862 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 15:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 15:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 15:56:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2004 15:55:02 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37791 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 08:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 08:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 08:54:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2004 08:53:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:53:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1162 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.74 Subject: Re: KABL (ding-ding!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Sep 2004 15:55:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I'll bet you the C-Quam exciter is still in KABL's air chain... all > they did was switch it into the "L+R mono" mode, which sums the two > audio channels to mono and disables the pilot tone. It's either in that mode or bypassed altogether, but I agree with you- It probably hasn't been pulled yet. > As for the loss of KABL's Adult Standards music format, it's rumored > to be continuing on FM. But in that case it will probably suffer > from poor signal coverage, like most FM stations in the San Fransciso > area. And that's the same thing Crawford did with the "Legends" > format in upstate NY -- first they moved it from AM to FM, then they > dumped it entirely. This isn't exactly true for the SF Bay Area- FM coverage is quite good over the entire basin, where even minor stations easily cover 100+ miles from the transmitter site. Having lived in Lake County (north of Napa), I was used to hearing FMers from as far south as San Jose, which is the other end of the basin. The FM band in the SF Bay Area is, to say the least, very crowded. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From zebra@strangeanimals.net Tue Sep 28 09:38:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18711 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 16:38:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 16:38:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 16:38:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2004 16:32:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:32:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 779 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "amradiozebra" X-Originating-IP: 67.164.23.118 Subject: Re: KABL (ding-ding!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra > This isn't exactly true for the SF Bay Area- FM coverage is quite > good over the entire basin, where even minor stations easily cover > 100+ miles from the transmitter site. Having lived in Lake County > (north of Napa), I was used to hearing FMers from as far south as San > Jose, which is the other end of the basin. > > The FM band in the SF Bay Area is, to say the least, very crowded. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Most cheap radios in the Bay area haven't a chance of pulling that signal out. None of my newer radios do much more than get a bunch of distorted images on the FM band, even with the antenna all the way down. Fortunatly for ME - I have a Superadio III, and three Transoceanics. And a 1960 Zenith clock radio with a really impressive FM reciever in it. From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Sep 28 10:02:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87243 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 17:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 17:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52403.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.111) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 17:02:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20040928170152.247.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.86] by web52403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:01:52 PDT Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.111 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KABL (ding-ding!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > This isn't exactly true for the SF Bay Area- FM > coverage is quite > good over the entire basin, where even minor > stations easily cover > 100+ miles from the transmitter site. Having lived > in Lake County > (north of Napa), I was used to hearing FMers from as > far south as San > Jose, which is the other end of the basin. > The FM band in the SF Bay Area is, to say the least, > very crowded. > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ But in quite a few areas there's very severe multipath problems. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Sep 28 10:09:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40284 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 17:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 17:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 17:09:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20040928170538.20171.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.86] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:05:38 PDT Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:05:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KABL (ding-ding!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- amradiozebra wrote: > Most cheap radios in the Bay area haven't a chance > of pulling that > signal out. None of my newer radios do much more > than get a bunch of > distorted images on the FM band, even with the > antenna all the way > down. Parts of downtown Atlanta are that way. The newer solid state stuff gets all the stations at once all over the dial. The mid 50's Zenith table AM FM radio just purred along. > Fortunatly for ME - I have a Superadio III, and > three Transoceanics. > And a 1960 Zenith clock radio with a really > impressive FM reciever > in it. I only have one TO, a tube model, and a TOP of the line 1957 Zenith AM FM clock radio. But the real big gun is the "Zenith High Fidelity". This thing even smokes the SR III. I thought it didn't until I actually tested it. The FM beats a lot of radios in sensitivity, though I 'd expect the selectivity is better than a good modern radio. Now, wait, IS there such a thing, SR series excluded? Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w6yn@juno.com Tue Sep 28 10:16:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34718 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 17:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 17:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 17:16:20 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABAXVHC5A6M6C92 for (sender ); Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:16:11 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCWw92HloMivXXc7YnWGTc5s= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J8MPPT9S; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:15:36 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:59:49 -0700 Message-ID: <20040928.101422.1320.0.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-22 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:62303410 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} well, ya knew it was coming... but I just heard it. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I know what you mean. The paint is peeling on my house - I'm sure it is Bush's fault! Don On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:42:58 -0000 "amradiozebra" writes: > Now, I like that Al Franken is pointing out when the old guard of > talk radio is bullshitting me. (hey - it's nothing new - the > tradition of feeding your readers/listeners BS predates clay > tablets... even Franken, who really does a little research, spins > more than a bit.) > > But the radio station I mainly listen to is KABL. Wouldn't you know > > it! And only my good radios (i.e. old ones) can pull in any part of > > the FM signal at all. > > So long AM Stereo, it's been nice knowing you. > > D**n you George Bush! If you hadn't screwed up the reconstruction of > > Iraq - I'd still have my KABL!! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Sep 28 14:40:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85431 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 21:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 21:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.186) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 21:40:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:40:01 -0700 Received: from 24.129.153.213 by bay12-dav12.bay12.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:39:32 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20040927015426.65366.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:41:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2004 21:40:01.0117 (UTC) FILETIME=[B52E28D0:01C4A5A3] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.186 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.129.153.213] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Will Continue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: >There's a known fault in the Gates 5 only, and the factory modification to prevent this is what catches fire. Well!?! Ain't that NICE! I have found the best way to "fix" a Harris SX or Gates series transmitter is to replace it with a BE! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 28 15:54:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19100 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 22:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 22:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 22:54:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2004 22:53:49 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14353 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 17:25:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 17:25:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 17:25:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2004 17:23:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:23:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 432 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.74 Subject: Re: {AMSF} I'm Not Making This Up! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Sep 2004 22:53:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > ABC / Disney programs AM stereo on KDIS 1110 But it's not a very powerful station. While being major-market, it isn't what I would call a "major" station. The LA metro area has about 5 AMS stations, with the only major station being KABC, with others being KBRT 740, KRLA 860 and KFOX 1650, as well as the above- mentioned KDIS 1110. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 28 15:54:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 62594 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 22:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 22:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 22:54:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2004 22:54:08 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47911 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 17:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 17:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 17:34:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2004 17:30:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:30:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040928143442.2C134CA095@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 939 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.74 Subject: Re: {AMSF} I'm Not Making This Up! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Sep 2004 22:54:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > "Amy Mousie" says... > > If I'm not mistaken, the only remaining C-QUAM station in the San > > Francisco Bay Area is KVON in Napa. > > Except for KDYA 1190 in nearby Vallejo, which last I heard is just lighting up the stereo light (i.e. no stereo seperation), yup - > KVON's the last AM Stereo station left in the nine Bay Area counties... > Sad... 1640 KDIA used to be stereo, then pilot-only, but if I'm not mistaken, it's pilotless, now. I'm surprised KDYA even bothers to put out a pilot. > > To tell you the truth, I'm at a loss as to what to say, but I do hope > > KVON hangs in there. > > Mike Martindale, our C.E., says the signal is staying on far as we > can see, even if we are talk all but five hours of the week... Somebody who BELIEVES! I'm thankful there is at least SOMEONE with sense down there. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 28 15:55:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 49062 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 22:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 22:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 22:55:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2004 22:54:15 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4289 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 17:34:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 17:34:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 17:34:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2004 17:34:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:34:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040928150701.DF5DFE5BC9@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 436 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.74 Subject: Fast follow-up Re: {AMSF} KABL (ding-ding!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Sep 2004 22:54:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > The only other AMs north of San Francisco or Sacto doing > non-foreign music, for that matter - are: > KWSW 790 in Eureka (standards on satellite, but not "Music Of Your Life"); I live in this area- KWSW has gone "Extreme Talk", just as KGOE 1480 has. Odd, two far-right talk stations in a predominantly liberal community. Money talks. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 28 15:55:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92376 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 22:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 22:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 22:55:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2004 22:54:28 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3591 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 17:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2004 17:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 17:38:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2004 17:35:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:35:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040928153427.5ED70E5BC9@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 317 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.74 Subject: 2nd Fast follow-up Re: {AMSF} KABL (ding-ding!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Sep 2004 22:54:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > Someone has mentioned that KPCO 1370 in the little burgh of > Quincy (the Northern Sierra Nevada) is "Music Of Your > Life," and in C-QUAM Stereo!! I thought I was picking up a pilot on that frequency. Faintly, but there. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Sep 28 18:58:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25513 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2004 01:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2004 01:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52409.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.117) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2004 01:58:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20040929015820.64604.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.122] by web52409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:58:20 PDT Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:58:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.117 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Will Continue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > >There's a known fault in the Gates 5 only, and the > factory modification to > prevent this is what catches fire. > > Well!?! Ain't that NICE! > I have found the best way to "fix" a Harris SX or > Gates series transmitter > is to replace it with a BE! But you'd better NOT get the BE *WITHOUT* the tuning unit. Then they rebroadcast other stations on wrong frequencies that are some multiple ( added or subtracted ) of one of the stations frequencies. The BE that 1230 has is rebroadcasting 3 or 4 stations. If the transmitter is in a city where there are no other AM's you are fine. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Sep 28 21:57:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13572 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2004 04:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2004 04:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2004 04:57:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2004 04:57:08 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4404 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2004 00:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2004 00:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2004 00:55:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2004 00:55:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:55:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 959 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: {AMSF} I'm Not Making This Up! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 29 Sep 2004 04:57:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" > wrote: > > ABC / Disney programs AM stereo on KDIS 1110 > > But it's not a very powerful station. While being major-market, it > isn't what I would call a "major" station. The LA metro area has > about 5 AMS stations, with the only major station being KABC, with > others being KBRT 740, KRLA 860 and KFOX 1650, as well as the above- > mentioned KDIS 1110. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ KRLA is 870. There's an XEMO 860 in Tijuana, Baja, and from El Cajon I can get KRLA on 870 out from under the local XEMO on 860. KDIS is 50kW, but there seems to be poor ground conductivity where they are located. I geta very faint signal on KRLA, KFOX is inaudible in the daytime without a Select-A-Tenna, KABC is listenable with minor adjacent-channel interference from ESPN Radio 800, and KBRT is the strongest where I live. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Sep 28 21:57:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 84725 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2004 04:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2004 04:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2004 04:57:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2004 04:56:43 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57718 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2004 00:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2004 00:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2004 00:52:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2004 00:52:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:52:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040928150701.DF5DFE5BC9@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2834 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Fast follow-up Re: {AMSF} KABL (ding-ding!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 29 Sep 2004 04:56:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 KCTC is faintly audible most nights in San Diego, but I have yet to get a good enough signal to positively ID AM Stereo. :( --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > In the last month, two "adult standards" stations have > departed from Northern California AMs: > 1) KEWE 1340 in Oroville (Chico), which is now ESPN Radio > (Clear Channel has recently sold that and several other > Chico-area stations to a local group) > 2) KABL 960, which also shut its stereo off > > If any consolation, KCTC 1320 in Sacramento is STILL > in stereo and still doing adult standards, even if it's the > "Music Of Your Life" satellite feed with Wink Martindale, > Gary Owens, et al... > Incidentally, KCTC is one of those rarities that has TWO > different tower sites, one for day, one for night, and > BOTH sites have C-QUAM AM Stereo exciters in use! > > KCTC is a very weak DX report in East Bay/Napa Valley, > due to the presence "Radio Disney 1310" in Oakland... > > The only other AMs north of San Francisco or Sacto doing > non-foreign music, for that matter - are: > KWSW 790 in Eureka (standards on satellite, but not "Music Of Your Life"); > KIQS 1560 in Willows (a 250-watt daytimer doing '60s-'70s pop) > KBLF 1490 in Red Bluff ('60s-'70s pop) > KLXR 1230 in Redding ("Music Of Your Life" satellite) > > All mono, yes... > --Jay > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay Arnold" > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 06:34:41 -0800 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amymousie@y... > Subject: Re: {AMSF} I'm Not Making This Up! > > > "Amy Mousie" says... > > > If I'm not mistaken, the only remaining C-QUAM station in the San > > > Francisco Bay Area is KVON in Napa. > > > > Except for KDYA 1190 in nearby Vallejo, which last I heard is just lighting up the stereo light (i.e. no stereo seperation), yup - > > KVON's the last AM Stereo station left in the nine Bay Area counties... > > Sad... > > > > > To tell you the truth, I'm at a loss as to what to say, but I do hope > > > KVON hangs in there. > > > > Mike Martindale, our C.E., says the signal is staying on far as we > > can see, even if we are talk all but five hours of the week... > > --Sincerely, > > Jay Arnold, > > KVYN Morning Host, > > Saturday Night "GoldVine" Host/Producer (KVON/KVYN) > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > > > > What's the GoldVine about? > < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From kya1260@lycos.com Wed Sep 29 07:22:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16010 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2004 14:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2004 14:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2004 14:22:39 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 83DE01800EC9 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:21:52 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Sep 2004 14:20:14 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B442F86AE9; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:20:11 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:20:11 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Cc: yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:20:11 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040929142011.B442F86AE9@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Jay Arnold" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.95.242 Subject: Re: Fast follow-up Re: {AMSF} KABL (ding-ding!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ ----- Original Message ----- Regards KCTC's reception in San Diego, "pianoplayer88key" says: > KCTC is faintly audible most nights in San Diego, but I have yet to > get a good enough signal to positively ID AM Stereo. :( Amazing how some AM signals skip... When I'm visiting Lodi (about 30 miles of Sacramento) at night, KCTC 1320 gets hammered by another 1320 in Salt Lake City. Waaaaahhhh! --dj jay :o) **************************** > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > > > > If any consolation, KCTC 1320 in Sacramento is STILL > > in stereo and still doing adult standards, even if it's the > > "Music Of Your Life" satellite feed with Wink Martindale, > > Gary Owens, et al... > > Incidentally, KCTC is one of those rarities that has TWO > > different tower sites, one for day, one for night, and > > BOTH sites have C-QUAM AM Stereo exciters in use! > > > > KCTC is a very weak DX report in East Bay/Napa Valley, > > due to the presence "Radio Disney 1310" in Oakland... -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Wed Sep 29 12:18:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69149 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2004 19:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2004 19:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2004 19:18:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2004 19:18:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:17:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 337 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 64.1.107.10 Subject: Re: {AMSF} I'm Not Making This Up! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 They'll hang in as long as Jay Arnold is around with his oldies. Too bad "Mill Valley" is in mono. Tom > > If I'm not mistaken, the only remaining C-QUAM station in the San > Francisco Bay Area is KVON in Napa. > > To tell you the truth, I'm at a loss as to what to say, but I do hope > KVON hangs in there. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Wed Sep 29 12:21:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98070 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2004 19:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2004 19:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2004 19:21:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2004 19:20:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:20:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 880 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 64.1.107.10 Subject: Re: KABL (ding-ding!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Yes, they're broadcasting the format on 92.1 in Walnut Creek, but even with the boosters on, it won't come near the coverage of a San Francisco FM. The tower (phone pole is more like it) is 24 miles from the city. They should have just kept their KABL-FM years ago, but still I at least want those calls back. It's just a matter of time before Airhead America disappears. Politics aside, they're not very polished or professional. For Pete's sake, they're not even broadcasters. Tom > As for the loss of KABL's Adult Standards music format, it's rumored > to be continuing on FM. But in that case it will probably suffer > from poor signal coverage, like most FM stations in the San Fransciso > area. And that's the same thing Crawford did with the "Legends" > format in upstate NY -- first they moved it from AM to FM, then they > dumped it entirely. From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Wed Sep 29 12:24:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43347 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2004 19:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2004 19:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2004 19:23:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2004 19:23:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:23:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040928142847.651E0CA094@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 86 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 64.1.107.10 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KABL (ding-ding!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Yes, 1640 still has the light, but that's it. Oh, and happy b-day last Sunday. Tom From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 29 15:23:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77955 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2004 22:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2004 22:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2004 22:23:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2004 22:23:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:23:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3190 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 68.124.96.82 Subject: Fast follow-up Re: {AMSF} KABL (ding-ding!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > KCTC is faintly audible most nights in San Diego, but I have yet to > get a good enough signal to positively ID AM Stereo. :( > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > > In the last month, two "adult standards" stations have > > departed from Northern California AMs: > > 1) KEWE 1340 in Oroville (Chico), which is now ESPN Radio > > (Clear Channel has recently sold that and several other > > Chico-area stations to a local group) > > 2) KABL 960, which also shut its stereo off > > > > If any consolation, KCTC 1320 in Sacramento is STILL > > in stereo and still doing adult standards, even if it's the > > "Music Of Your Life" satellite feed with Wink Martindale, > > Gary Owens, et al... > > Incidentally, KCTC is one of those rarities that has TWO > > different tower sites, one for day, one for night, and > > BOTH sites have C-QUAM AM Stereo exciters in use! > > > > KCTC is a very weak DX report in East Bay/Napa Valley, > > due to the presence "Radio Disney 1310" in Oakland... > > > > The only other AMs north of San Francisco or Sacto doing > > non-foreign music, for that matter - are: > > KWSW 790 in Eureka (standards on satellite, but not "Music Of Your > Life"); > > KIQS 1560 in Willows (a 250-watt daytimer doing '60s-'70s pop) > > KBLF 1490 in Red Bluff ('60s-'70s pop) > > KLXR 1230 in Redding ("Music Of Your Life" satellite) > > > > All mono, yes... > > --Jay > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jay Arnold" > > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 06:34:41 -0800 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amymousie@y... > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} I'm Not Making This Up! > > > > > "Amy Mousie" says... > > > > If I'm not mistaken, the only remaining C-QUAM station in the San > > > > Francisco Bay Area is KVON in Napa. > > > > > > Except for KDYA 1190 in nearby Vallejo, which last I heard is just > lighting up the stereo light (i.e. no stereo seperation), yup - > > > KVON's the last AM Stereo station left in the nine Bay Area > counties... > > > Sad... > > > > > > > To tell you the truth, I'm at a loss as to what to say, but I do > hope > > > > KVON hangs in there. > > > > > > Mike Martindale, our C.E., says the signal is staying on far as we > > > can see, even if we are talk all but five hours of the week... > > > --Sincerely, > > > Jay Arnold, > > > KVYN Morning Host, > > > Saturday Night "GoldVine" Host/Producer (KVON/KVYN) > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages > > > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/defau lt.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > > > > > > > > > What's the GoldVine about? > > < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages > > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/defau lt.asp?SRC=lycos10 Hi I can do that for you. I live 35 miles east of Sacramento Ca and thay are C-QUAM 24-7. Jim Smith From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Sep 29 16:24:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50160 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2004 23:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2004 23:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2004 23:24:17 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.16.204]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:24:12 -0600 Message-ID: <004501c4a67b$f6c04340$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:27:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2004 23:24:12.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DF46D20:01C4A67B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I'm Not Making This Up! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Who says those rich folks are all Republicans? That is indeed grim news, Tom. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > On Tuesday, September 28th, Clear Channel will dump the KABL call > letters and put on that liberal Air America network on. The worst > thing is that they already shut off the stereo light. > > No shame I tell you. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Sep 30 04:23:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87112 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2004 11:23:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2004 11:23:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.185) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2004 11:23:11 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 04:22:01 -0700 Received: from 24.129.153.213 by bay12-dav11.bay12.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:21:41 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20040929015820.64604.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:18:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2004 11:22:01.0520 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4D82B00:01C4A6DF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.185 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.129.153.213] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Will Continue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: >The BE that 1230 has is rebroadcasting 3 or 4 stations. You talking about WAIM? The last time I was in Anderson, that BE was making a nice clean signal, but their vintage CRLs sound like crap! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kya1260@lycos.com Thu Sep 30 07:18:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70675 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2004 14:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2004 14:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2004 14:18:24 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 0935518024A0 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:18:23 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 30 Sep 2004 14:18:06 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 874A2C610F; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:18:01 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 06:18:01 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 06:18:01 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040930141801.874A2C610F@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Jay Arnold" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.95.242 Subject: Re: {AMSF} I'm Not Making This Up! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ ----- Original Message ----- From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com > They'll (KVON) hang in as long as Jay Arnold is around with his oldies. > Too bad "Mill Valley" is in mono. > > Tom Actually, "Mill Valley" IS in true stereo, on the CD release of the LP 4 years ago on Varese Sarabande Records (better than the original vinyl LP's mix, too)... Better get it while the getting's good, Tom - the CD's been out of print for quite awhile now! --jay > > > > If I'm not mistaken, the only remaining C-QUAM station in the San > > Francisco Bay Area is KVON in Napa. > > > > To tell you the truth, I'm at a loss as to what to say, but I do > hope > > KVON hangs in there. > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Thu Sep 30 12:54:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68361 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2004 19:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2004 19:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2004 19:54:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2004 19:54:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:54:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040930141801.874A2C610F@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1001 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 64.1.107.10 Subject: Re: {AMSF} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Come to think of it, I did have it on CD and recorded it elsewhere, so I'll double-check and tune in 1440 (or if I'm desparate, 99.3) to hear it. Tom > > Actually, "Mill Valley" IS in true stereo, on the CD release of > the LP 4 years ago on Varese Sarabande Records (better than the > original vinyl LP's mix, too)... > Better get it while the getting's good, Tom - the CD's been out > of print for quite awhile now! > --jay > > > > > > > > If I'm not mistaken, the only remaining C-QUAM station in the San > > > Francisco Bay Area is KVON in Napa. > > > > > > To tell you the truth, I'm at a loss as to what to say, but I do > > hope > > > KVON hangs in there. > > > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > What's the GoldVine about? > < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/defau lt.asp?SRC=lycos10 From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Sep 30 13:20:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47524 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2004 20:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2004 20:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52401.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.109) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2004 20:20:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20040930202020.89139.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.5.219.153] by web52401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:20:20 PDT Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:20:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.109 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Will Continue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > >The BE that 1230 has is rebroadcasting 3 or 4 > stations. > > You talking about WAIM? The last time I was in > Anderson, that BE was making > a nice clean signal, but their vintage CRLs sound > like crap! WOIC Columbia Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From cbreton27@hotmail.com Thu Sep 30 13:28:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10084 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2004 20:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2004 20:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2004 20:28:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:21:01 -0700 Received: from 69.157.151.237 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:20:38 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:20:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2004 20:21:01.0252 (UTC) FILETIME=[00D3A840:01C4A72B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.71 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.151.237] Subject: sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi gang ! i'v just received today from e-bay (Chris Cuff) my sony srf-42, boy !! the fm reception is really bad !! I was aware of that, still in the box brand new !! Thanks Chris. Christian _________________________________________________________________ Gardez le contrôle grâce à la protection contre les fenêtres pop-up articulée sur la technologie brevetée Microsoft SmartScreen http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-ca&page=features/popup Commencez dès maintenant à profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Sep 30 13:37:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11378 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2004 20:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2004 20:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2004 20:37:50 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.179.23]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.2.315.0) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:44:52 -0400 Message-ID: <002801c4a72d$463594a0$17b30642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:37:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shoot- I should have crunched that capacitor- C14 , that Kevin found helps a lot. I didn't want to take apart a brand new radio, tho... cc ----- Original Message ----- From: christian breton To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 4:20 PM Subject: {AMSF} sony srf-42 Hi gang ! i'v just received today from e-bay (Chris Cuff) my sony srf-42, boy !! the fm reception is really bad !! I was aware of that, still in the box brand new !! Thanks Chris. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Sep 30 13:41:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54674 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2004 20:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2004 20:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2004 20:41:04 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.179.23]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.2.315.0) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:47:27 -0400 Message-ID: <002e01c4a72d$a2804a20$17b30642@4bmx301> To: References: <20040930202020.89139.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:39:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Scott Muni died X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all native New Yorkers, I see that Scott Muni died at 74. One of the original WMCA good guys, then on to WABC in the early 60's, then on to the then alternative WNEW FM. He was a cool guy, and I had the pleasure to meet him once when I was 9 years old. He will be missed. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Sep 30 15:33:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75775 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2004 22:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2004 22:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52404.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.112) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2004 22:33:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20040930223350.26465.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.118] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:33:50 PDT Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:33:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.112 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- christian breton wrote: > Hi gang ! > > i'v just received today from e-bay (Chris Cuff) my > sony srf-42, boy !! the > fm reception is really bad !! I was aware of that, > still in the box brand > new !! Christian, It is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN to listen to FM on a SRF-42. ]:) Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 30 16:42:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55228 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2004 23:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2004 23:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2004 23:42:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2004 23:42:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:42:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 483 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.6 Subject: I don't know if there's any truth to this rumor... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This was anonymously posted to the Radio-Info Engineering board: "Effective immediately, Clear Channel is reducing [audio] bandwidth to 6 kHz on music stations, and 5 kHz on talk stations." Thankfully, none of the AM stations which I listen to regularly are owned by Clear Channel. In fact, Clear Channel doesn't even own any AM stations in my area. So I'll have to tune in skywave signals like 700 WLW, 1100 WTAM, and 1140 WRVA to see if there is any truth to this rumor. From dav259@csiro.au Thu Sep 30 16:49:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80992 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2004 23:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2004 23:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csiromail2.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.13) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2004 23:49:52 -0000 Received: from csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21B354011 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:49:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by csiromail2.vic.csiro.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58FE54060 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:49:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8UNnnfB029031 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:49:50 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:49:49 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 138.194.2.13 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Fw: stereo exciter (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Thanks alot Scott for your help with 3GV. This is really good news - the best we've had here for ages. Ian ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:18:59 -0500 From: Scott Todd Got his reply- sounds like he's picking up another used unit but won't be repairing the old one. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph Edgar To: Scott Todd Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:49 PM Subject: Re: stereo exciter Hi Scott, The Exciter has a few problems in the L-R Q mod section (not the Caps). anyway I expect to have a second exciter in the next few days to replace the existing unit. Ill see how it all goes on the bench first and if all is well Ill install it shortly. From the non technical side running AM Stereo provides no economic advantage to the radio station and therefor if it fails there is no budget to repair or replace, that's the reality of it. Regards Ralph Edgar. ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: ralphe@aceradio.com.au Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:34 AM Subject: stereo exciter Ralph, A friend of mine told me that your stereo exciter went toes-up and you're not planning on fixing it. What model is it- the 1300 or 1400? If it's a 1300 it could be it just needs new electrolytic caps. Even though Motorola no longer supports it, I'd volunteer to put them in for the cost of parts. There's also an engineer named Mike Patton in Baton Rouge, Louisiana who could fix whatever ails it if it needs more than just that. He would charge to change out the caps, so that's why I'm volunteering for that assignment. Either that or you could have somebody local like a high-school electronics student change the caps, check to see if that cured the problem, and then send it off to the states for fixing if need be. His rates are real reasonable. Scott Todd From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 30 17:02:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 99302 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2004 00:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2004 00:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2004 00:02:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2004 00:02:42 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51927 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2004 03:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2004 03:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2004 03:01:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2004 03:01:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 03:01:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004501c4a67b$f6c04340$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 557 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.74 Subject: Re: {AMSF} I'm Not Making This Up! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 01 Oct 2004 00:02:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Who says those rich folks are all Republicans? That is indeed grim news, > Tom. Although the SF Bay Area is predominantly liberal, I also think they could do better. But the loss of a decent music station (considering this was CCU-owned to begin with, it was only a matter of -when-, not -if- the music and stereo was dropped, but it's surprising it was Air America, given CCU's own political leanings), it only reinforces the blandness of Bay Area AM radio. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 30 17:02:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80057 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2004 00:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2004 00:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2004 00:02:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2004 00:02:31 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55600 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2004 02:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2004 02:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2004 02:48:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2004 02:48:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 02:48:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 314 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.74 Subject: Fast follow-up Re: {AMSF} KABL (ding-ding!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 01 Oct 2004 00:02:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > Hi I can do that for you. I live 35 miles east of Sacramento Ca and > thay are C-QUAM 24-7. Jim Smith I can also confirm KCTC is in stereo, although not very strong here. It's been stereo since at least 1985. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 30 17:28:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52070 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2004 00:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2004 00:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2004 00:28:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2004 00:28:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 00:28:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5968 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.6 Subject: Clear Channel reduces AM audio bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Okay, so it's not a rumor... and the "spin" they're putting on this is exactly as I expected -- they admit that reducing the bandwidth causes a degradation in audio quality, but they try to excuse it by saying that only listeners with "antique" radios will notice any difference (so the factory-installed AMAX AM Stereo radio in a 2005 Ford Mustang is "antique"!?). They also mention adjacent-channel interference... doesn't iBiquity claim that "adjacent-channel interference only occurs outside of a station's protected contour, and therefore is irrelevant"? (And what is an "Omnia 3 CC", by the way? A special version only for Clear Channel stations?) And FWIW, Salem used a 5 kHz audio bandwidth on their two AM talk stations in New York City for several months. However, they have since switched both back to full 10 kHz NRSC audio, and even have added a touch of reverb to the audio -- and now sound drastically better because of it, even on narrowband receivers. I think the _real_ problem is that many AM stations are using an excessively high amount of pre-emphasis, which aggravates adjacent- channel interference. In fact, the Optimod 9200 even comes with a factory-default preset which provides greater-than-NRSC pre-emphasis (basically a flat boost of +10 dB to all audio above 5 kHz). So if Clear Channel were to change all their stations to the 75 uS NRSC pre-emphasis curve, without reducing the bandwidth, I think that would result in an almost equally effective benefit, and would actually _improve_ the sound of AMAX receivers which are designed to follow the NRSC curve. Anyway, here's the article from Radio World: Clear Channel Radio Reduces AM Audio Bandwidth; Littlejohn to Propose Change to NRSC for All AMs =================================================================== Jeff Littlejohn wants his company to do its part to clean up the AM analog band. In order to accomplish that, Radio World Online has learned, Clear Channel Radio's senior VP of engineering has made it a policy for the company's AM stations to reduce their bandwidth to match the bandwidth of available receivers to 5 kHz for AM talk stations and 6 kHz for AM music stations. Littlejohn also is co-chairman of the AM Subcommittee of the NRSC. In that role, at a meeting of the standards group at next week's NAB Radio Show, he plans to propose that all AM licensees follow suit. After two years of studies, Littlejohn says he has concluded that it serves no purpose for AMs to continue broadcasting 10 kHz audio on the AM band when the average receiver has an audio response of less than 4.5 kHz. In a memo to Clear Channel regional engineers outlining the new operating procedure, Littlejohn cites the benefits of the change: increased modulation efficiency and reduced interference to first-adjacent frequencies. Also, "AM modulation that falls outside of a receiver's usable bandwidth ends up increasing the noise floor within the audible bandwidth," states Littlejohn in the memo. Though consumers won't be able to tell the difference on the average car radio, Littlejohn told RW Online, increasing the modulation efficiency will improve the audio. "Getting rid of the high frequencies allows you to turn up the modulation, (which) will make it louder but not more distorted," said Littlejohn. As far as reducing the bandwidth reducing interference to neighboring stations, he gave an example. WHP 580 kHz in Harrisburg interferes with WTNT 570 in Washington. Listeners to WTNT can "start hearing chatter from WHP because WHP is transmitting in 10 kHz bandwidth. If it were lower, you wouldn't hear that, you would hear WTNT better," he said. For all AM stations operating with modern audio processors, the Orban 9200, Omnia 4.5, Omnia 3, Omnia 3 CC, Clear Channel will reduce its audio bandwidth: 5.0 kHz audio bandwidth for all non-music intensive AMs; 6.0 kHz audio bandwidth for AMs with a music intensive format. Why the difference? Music station listeners may have more wideband radios, such as the GE SuperRadio (in Wide Band mode) so going with a 6 kHz audio bandwidth "kind of negates degradation to those stations," said Littlejohn. Those who might object to such a change would be listeners who own antique radios, he said. He notes that although he owns some, he acknowledges he doesn't spend the majority of his radio listening time using the antiques. Feedback he's received on the change from chief engineers of other radio group owners has been positive, he said. "Several echoed that they had done this for awhile. They realized they could be louder without degradation," he said. Littlejohn said the change would occur at Clear Channel quickly. Half a dozen stations had switch to the new audio bandwidth as of Wednesday and more were expected to make the change Thursday. Some of his engineers acknowledged they had made the change on their own initiative in advance of the directive, he said. "They were thinking ahead of everybody else," he said in praise. As far as the proposal to the NRSC, Littlejohn said the group would likely want to do its own studies in order to support what the body decides about changing the industry standard. Also..... Littlejohn: AM Bandwidth Change Not IBOC-Driven =============================================== Although IBOC is going to require AMs reduce their audio bandwidth to 5 kHz in order to properly implement that technology, Littlejohn said the AM bandwidth reduction decision, above, was separate from the groups' digital conversion of its stations. "I want to be clear about the distinction," he said to RW Online. "If we decrease interference it will help out the AM band. Whether it's analog or digital doesn't matter. It will help all AM radio simply because there's reduced interference." IBOC "just happened to point out that the benefit existed," he states in his memo. From cbreton27@hotmail.com Thu Sep 30 19:40:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90053 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2004 02:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2004 02:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2004 02:40:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:37:00 -0700 Received: from 69.157.147.150 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 02:36:00 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:36:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2004 02:37:00.0801 (UTC) FILETIME=[875DA710:01C4A75F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.73 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.147.150] Subject: Re: {AMSF} sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Very funny Powell, i know it's forbidden to listen fm on a srf-42, i'm so sorry i will not do it again i promise !!! And Chris i don't care about the bad reception on fm, i have other radios. Christian >From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} sony srf-42 >Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:33:50 -0700 (PDT) > > >--- christian breton wrote: > > > Hi gang ! > > > > i'v just received today from e-bay (Chris Cuff) my > > sony srf-42, boy !! the > > fm reception is really bad !! I was aware of that, > > still in the box brand > > new !! > > >Christian, > >It is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN to listen to FM on a SRF-42. > >]:) > >Powell > > > >===== >powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw _________________________________________________________________ Envoyer des courriels créatifs est aussi amusant que d’en recevoir. 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From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Sep 30 19:59:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48561 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2004 02:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2004 02:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52404.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.112) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2004 02:59:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20041001025950.23538.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.113] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:59:50 PDT Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:59:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.112 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} I don't know if there's any truth to this rumor... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > This was anonymously posted to the Radio-Info > Engineering board: > "Effective immediately, Clear Channel is reducing > [audio] bandwidth > to 6 kHz on music stations, and 5 kHz on talk > stations." > > Thankfully, none of the AM stations which I listen > to regularly are > owned by Clear Channel. In fact, Clear Channel > doesn't even own any > AM stations in my area. So I'll have to tune in > skywave signals like > 700 WLW, 1100 WTAM, and 1140 WRVA to see if there is > any truth to > this rumor. I posted that. I got the info from a CC engineer. The reason stated is that radios are all narrowband and that lie. Bruce Carter just blows that into the commode. With a lot of cheap radios using the Toshiba chip, they aren't narrow, but with a tiny 2 inch speaker what CAN you tell? ANYWAY MY take on this is to muffle things up so when they fire IBOC up they also won't have to contend with complaints of poor audio as they will have already IGNORED them. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Sep 30 20:10:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92546 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2004 03:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2004 03:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2004 03:10:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20041001031025.17609.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.113] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:10:25 PDT Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:10:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- christian breton wrote: > > Very funny Powell, i know it's forbidden to listen > fm on a srf-42, i'm so > sorry i will not do it again i promise !!! Now, if you do, we'll make you listen to the muddy audio of a CC radio for 3 weeks. > And Chris i don't care about the bad reception on > fm, i have other radios. > Christian Now write this down. AM stands for Angel Music FM stands for Fuzzy Modulation.....write this on the blackboard 100 times! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Thu Sep 30 22:11:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82943 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2004 05:11:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2004 05:11:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2004 05:11:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2004 05:10:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 05:10:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1416 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 207.69.139.151 Subject: Re: {AMSF} sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Uh, what's "FM"? Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "christian breton"=20 wrote: >=20 > Very funny Powell, i know it's forbidden to listen fm on a srf-42,=20 i'm so=20 > sorry i will not do it again i promise !!! >=20 > And Chris i don't care about the bad reception on fm, i have other=20 radios. >=20 >=20 > Christian >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > >From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} sony srf-42 > >Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:33:50 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >--- christian breton wrote: > > > > > Hi gang ! > > > > > > i'v just received today from e-bay (Chris Cuff) my > > > sony srf-42, boy !! the > > > fm reception is really bad !! I was aware of that, > > > still in the box brand > > > new !! > > > > > >Christian, > > > >It is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN to listen to FM on a SRF-42. > > > >]:) > > > >Powell > > > > > > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Envoyer des courriels cr=E9atifs est aussi amusant que d'en=20 recevoir. Utilisez=20 > de la papeterie, des polices et des couleurs sp=E9ciales=20 > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=3Dfr-ca&page=3Dfeatures/richmail=20 Commencez d=E8s=20 > maintenant =E0 profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et=20 obtenez les=20 > deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Oct 01 06:53:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16333 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2004 13:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2004 13:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2004 13:53:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2004 13:53:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:53:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041001025950.23538.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1572 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: {AMSF} I don't know if there's any truth to this rumor... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > I posted that. I got the info from a CC engineer. The > reason stated is that radios are all narrowband and > that lie. Bruce Carter just blows that into the > commode. Maybe you ought to forward the information on the Toshiba TA2003 to that Clear Channel engineer. Most engineers are honest enough to admit their mistake when faced with evidence. I will be happy to forward the data sheet on the TA2003 and its recommended ceramic filter to him - or anybody else for that matter. My daughter changes radios as often as she changes earrings. The count is now up to 6 on cheap radios with the TA2003 or its even more evil counterpart that I have yet to identify. > With a lot of cheap radios using the Toshiba > chip, they aren't narrow, but with a tiny 2 inch > speaker what CAN you tell? A small speaker like that is terrific on high frequencies. I can hear the cymbals crash and triangles "ding" on her "Bratz" radio. Low frequencies of course are not there. But a boombox using a cheap IC would have good bass as well. > ANYWAY MY take on this is > to muffle things up so when they fire IBOC up they > also won't have to contend with complaints of poor > audio as they will have already IGNORED them. Oh they will get complaints all right as people will hear the IBOC as static. But you are right, they will ignore them. They own Ibiquity. IBOC works or heads roll at Clear Channel. A lot of money is at stake. Too bad IBOC won't work - if I worked for Ibiquity I would quietly be circulating my resume before it all hits the fan. From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Oct 01 06:59:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94818 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2004 13:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2004 13:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2004 13:59:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2004 13:59:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:59:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1093 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > i'v just received today from e-bay (Chris Cuff) my sony srf-42, boy !! the > fm reception is really bad !! I was aware of that, still in the box brand > new !! AM, though, is pretty good on my SRF-A1. Make sure your FM switch is set to distant instead of local (if the 42 has one, the A1 does). What you do for FM is to find that dark brown broad band ceramic filter on the FM antenna input (they use the shield wire on the headphones as an FM antenna). Remove it, and wire a 30 inch wire to what used to be the "out" on the ceramic filter. Presto - your FM will be fantastic! But remember that Sonys of that vintage tend to overload on strong local FM stations, that is the reason for the local / distant switch in the first place. Send me a schematic and parts placement on your 42, and I will show you exactly how to mod it for better FM. I think the only difference between the 42 and the A1 is that the 42 only does C-Quam, while the A1 can do Kahn and a coule of others that were never really implemented. I think there is only one Kahn station on the air. From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Fri Oct 01 07:34:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56904 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2004 14:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2004 14:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2004 14:33:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 07:32:04 -0700 Received: from 216.6.141.25 by by22fd.bay22.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:31:49 GMT X-Originating-Email: [amstereoguy@hotmail.com] X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 10:31:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2004 14:32:04.0449 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BEECD10:01C4A7C3] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.79 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [216.6.141.25] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 The service manual for the 42 is right here in the files section, under "PDF's" Chris >From: "Bruce Carter" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Oct 01 08:13:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94462 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2004 15:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2004 15:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2004 15:13:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2004 15:12:15 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25208 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2004 05:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2004 05:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2004 05:59:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2004 05:59:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 05:59:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 196 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.2 Subject: Re: {AMSF} sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 01 Oct 2004 15:12:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, tom_richard1980@y... wrote: > Uh, what's "FM"? It's what happens when you neglect to take care of and periodically realign your AM rig. :D Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Oct 01 09:31:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86396 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2004 16:31:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2004 16:31:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2004 16:31:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2004 16:30:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:30:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1434 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: {AMSF} Re: sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > The service manual for the 42 is right here in the files section, under > "PDF's" > Chris Thanks! the wideband ceramic filter is "BPF1", and it is near the center of the board. These things are very lossy, and you lose a lot of sensitivity in them. I have had several models of walkman, and been able to improve FM sensitivity in all of them by doing this modification. You remove BPF1, and attach an FM antenna directly to the pad that leads to pin 10 of IC1 (not the FM antenna test point!) Actually, even without seeing a data sheet on the FM receiver IC, I bet that it is optimized for standard impedance like 75 ohms. So if you have an external antenna, you coudl probably get surprising results by connecting to a 75 ohm antenna line (be careful not to connect to cable, as they sometimes have a potential on the cable line). A 31 inch wire should do nicely if you don't mind it hanging from the unit. Or a dipole with 300 ohm to 75 ohm matching antenna. Because this doesn't seem to be using a Sony chip, it may not have the overload problem. I notice there is no local / distant switch. > > > >From: "Bruce Carter" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to > School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Fri Oct 01 12:20:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16917 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2004 19:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2004 19:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2004 19:20:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2004 19:19:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:19:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 657 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 64.1.107.10 Subject: Re: Clear Channel Station WTF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Looks like all those Sonys Carvers and Denons are 'antique' also. What are they thinking? "OK, if you'll make crummy radios and receivers, we'll just make a matching signal". AGGHH!! Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Okay, so it's not a rumor... and the "spin" they're putting on this > is exactly as I expected -- they admit that reducing the bandwidth > causes a degradation in audio quality, but they try to excuse it by > saying that only listeners with "antique" radios will notice any > difference (so the factory-installed AMAX AM Stereo radio in a 2005 > Ford Mustang is "antique"!?). > From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Oct 01 12:48:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77426 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2004 19:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2004 19:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2004 19:48:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2004 19:48:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:48:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 381 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: Clear Channel Station WTF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I just wrote a nice long letter to Radio Disney - letting them know that Clear Channel and Ibiquity want to make all of their stations sound terrible on cheap, but broadband radios that kids are using to listen to their network. Brands like "Mary Kate and Ashley" and "Bratz". I am sure the attempt to make his stations sound terrible will go over well with Michael Eisner. From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Oct 01 13:07:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43342 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2004 20:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2004 20:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2004 20:07:07 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.120]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.2.315.0) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:14:20 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01c4a7f2$2b7f3e20$78b10642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:06:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, the chips are indeed Sony chips- And it IS forced stereo- all stations are stereo by default. Makes CIGM sound real nice, as they broadcast stereo with no pilot. Oddly enough, for all of Sony's Japan market radios, they used Toshiba TA8124's for the decoders instead of their own- the digital models, anyway. I did take the BPF out of mine, and it works fine on FM- but I am no where near any strong stations. Our cable blocked FM about 2 years ago which upset a lot of folks- it's now "anti-FM"- you can't even get a local if you use the cable... thanks Time Warner.. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Carter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 12:30 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: sony srf-42 Because this doesn't seem to be using a Sony chip, it may not have the overload problem. I notice there is no local / distant switch. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From chris@lledgerock.com Fri Oct 01 18:10:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: chris@lledgerock.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46242 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2004 01:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2004 01:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2004 01:10:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2004 01:10:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 01:10:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 458 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "Chris" X-Originating-IP: 216.238.164.2 Subject: WGY now in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119481567 X-Yahoo-Profile: vegeto585 I just gotta chew about this. WGY just recently upgraded to HD radio. What I want to know is where everyone was getting the sideband splatter? Every radio I tried, I scaned from 780 to 830, and the only points I heard WGY coming thru was on 800 somewhat, and a little on 820, but mixed with some horrendous noise and skip. Nothing on 780, 790 or 830. Did iBiquity upgrade their technology to fit within the 10 kHz limit, or am I missing something? From jeffdeck@aol.com Fri Oct 01 19:09:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6541 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2004 02:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2004 02:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2004 02:09:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2004 02:09:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 02:09:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002801c4a72d$463594a0$17b30642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 615 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.209.164.35 Subject: Re: sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Chris, You write: >Shoot- I should have crunched that capacitor- C14 , that Kevin >found helps a lot. I didn't want to take apart a brand new radio, >tho... Actually I found the discovery years ago, and posted to one of the AM stereo lists (see below the original response). >Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:42:19 >Subject: Re: SRF-42 fixes > > To accomplish the same results, one modification is to simply >remove C14 from the board, which is 0.033 uFd SMD capacitor. Q3 is >turned on during weak signal, which shunts this C14 capacitor to >ground. Doing so removes the FM stereo pilot and L-R subcarrier. From jeffdeck@aol.com Fri Oct 01 19:19:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35444 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2004 02:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2004 02:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2004 02:19:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2004 02:19:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 02:19:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 577 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.209.164.35 Subject: Re: sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Bruce, You write: >I think the only difference between the 42 and the A1 is that the >42 only does C-Quam, while the A1 can do Kahn and a coule of >others that were never really implemented. Sony SRF-42 will decode Magnavox, Harris, and C-QuAM stereo AM transmissions. In fact, it sounds quite good using the Magnavox mode from my Panasonic stereo generator. SRF-A1 will decode the three modes above as well as Kahn ISB. Will you link my web page to your web page? Thanks. 73, Jeff Deck For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit http://meduci.com From tomray@wor710.com Fri Oct 01 19:28:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43645 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2004 02:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2004 02:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2004 02:28:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2004 02:28:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 02:28:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 727 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: WGY now in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > I just gotta chew about this. WGY just recently upgraded to HD radio. > What I want to know is where everyone was getting the sideband > splatter? Every radio I tried, I scaned from 780 to 830, and the only > points I heard WGY coming thru was on 800 somewhat, and a little on > 820, but mixed with some horrendous noise and skip. Nothing on 780, > 790 or 830. Did iBiquity upgrade their technology to fit within the > 10 kHz limit, or am I missing something? No change in the iBiquity signal....it's still the same. I've been saying all along that it's not as bad as the gloom and doomers have been saying. Where are you located? Tom Ray WOR From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Oct 01 20:16:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 48166 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2004 03:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2004 03:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2004 03:16:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2004 03:16:35 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51659 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2004 19:19:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2004 19:19:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2004 19:19:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2004 19:19:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:19:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1089 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.2 Subject: Re: sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 02 Oct 2004 03:16:31 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > I think the only difference between the 42 and the A1 is that the 42 > only does C-Quam, while the A1 can do Kahn and a coule of others > that were never really implemented. I think there is only one Kahn > station on the air. The SRF-42 is the first (and only, as far as I know) AMAX-compliant portable AMS radio, but otherwise.... It doesn't take all that much to make a C-QUAM chip detect any of the other proposed systems. (To decode ISB, a phase-shift-network circuit is added.) Sony's chips were originally QuAM, rather than C-QUAM, and used it much like a "Swiss Army knife" for decoding AMS systems. The Kahn (ISB) and Harris systems were fairly well implemented in the '80s, untill first the FCC's order for Harris' system to be either converted to C-QUAM or be turned offv altogether, then the FCC's final decision to make C-QUAM the standard. The Magnavox AM/PM and RCA-Belar AM/FM systems had really limited implementation- Only 6 and one stations, respectively. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Oct 01 21:07:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13407 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2004 04:07:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2004 04:07:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2004 04:07:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20041002040754.4015.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.80] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:07:54 PDT Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 21:07:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WGY now in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Chris wrote: > I just gotta chew about this. WGY just recently > upgraded to HD radio. > What I want to know is where everyone was getting > the sideband > splatter? Every radio I tried, I scaned from 780 to > 830, and the only > points I heard WGY coming thru was on 800 somewhat, > and a little on > 820, but mixed with some horrendous noise and skip. > Nothing on 780, > 790 or 830. Did iBiquity upgrade their technology > to fit within the > 10 kHz limit, or am I missing something? No you are missing something. They may not be running it full time, either. WSB in Atlanta tried and set it up but is not running it at present. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From brucec@mindspring.com Sat Oct 02 05:43:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87570 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2004 12:43:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2004 12:43:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2004 12:43:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2004 12:43:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 12:43:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 126 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.226.36.3 Subject: Re: sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > Will you link my web page to your web page? > Thanks. Actually, I already do: http://www.mindspring.com/~brucec/dx.htm From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Oct 02 06:18:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7049 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2004 13:18:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2004 13:18:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2004 13:18:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2004 13:17:12 -0000 Date: 2 Oct 2004 13:17:12 -0000 Message-ID: <1096723032.33644.24489.w79@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /pdf/TA2003.pdf Uploaded by : jeffdeck2001 Description : Toshiba TA2003 AM/FM complete "tuner on a chip" as used in GE clock radio from WalMart for $7 as well as in children's radios. It does not require any I.F transformers ahead of the ceramic filters. You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/pdf/TA2003.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, jeffdeck2001 From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Oct 02 14:44:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60632 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2004 21:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2004 21:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao06.cox.net) (68.230.241.33) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2004 21:44:01 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.5.10.101]) by fed1rmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20041002214401.VSZL25032.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:44:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:43:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2B0A0A54-14BC-11D9-AACE-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.33 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} I don't know if there's any truth to this rumor... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If the radios were indeed all narrowband, there wouldn't be chatter=20 now, would there? AM is dead. Richard Wagoner On Friday, October 1, 2004, at 06:53 AM, Bruce Carter wrote: > > I posted that. I got the info from a CC engineer. The > > reason stated is that radios are all narrowband and > > that lie. Bruce Carter just blows that into the > > commode. > > Maybe you ought to forward the information on the Toshiba TA2003 to > that Clear Channel engineer.=A0 Most engineers are honest enough to > admit their mistake when faced with evidence.=A0 I will be happy to > forward the data sheet on the TA2003 and its recommended ceramic > filter to him - or anybody else for that matter. > > My daughter changes radios as often as she changes earrings.=A0 The > count is now up to 6 on cheap radios with the TA2003 or its even > more evil counterpart that I have yet to identify. > > > With a lot of cheap radios using the Toshiba > > chip, they aren't narrow, but with a tiny 2=A0 inch > > speaker what CAN you tell? > > A small speaker like that is terrific on high frequencies.=A0 I can > hear the cymbals crash and triangles "ding" on her "Bratz" radio.=A0 > Low frequencies of course are not there.=A0 But a boombox using a > cheap IC would have good bass as well. > > > ANYWAY MY take on this is > > to muffle things up so when they fire IBOC up they > > also won't have to contend with complaints of poor > > audio as they will have already IGNORED them. > > Oh they will get complaints all right as people will hear the IBOC > as static.=A0 But you are right, they will ignore them.=A0 They own > Ibiquity.=A0 IBOC works or heads roll at Clear Channel.=A0 A lot of > money is at stake.=A0 Too bad IBOC won't work - if I worked for > Ibiquity I would quietly be circulating my resume before it all hits > the fan. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Oct 02 15:11:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83118 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2004 22:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2004 22:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2004 22:11:15 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.219]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 2 Oct 2004 16:11:13 -0600 Message-ID: <002b01c4a8cd$48d1fd60$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:15:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2004 22:11:14.0739 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB993030:01C4A8CC] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Clear Channel reduces AM audio bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I replied to that thread and told them I can hear the difference between my 8k loop and T-1 and politely suggested Mr. Littlejohn get his hearing tested instead saying something far more ascerbic as I had originally intended. Being that this guy is on the NRSC committee, he's got a lot of pull and will likely be able to make it stick. While the article says others have already done it, they don't tell you that instead of backing off down to 5kHz, it might be only 7.5k instead. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > Okay, so it's not a rumor... and the "spin" they're putting on this > is exactly as I expected -- they admit that reducing the bandwidth > causes a degradation in audio quality, but they try to excuse it by > saying that only listeners with "antique" radios will notice any > difference (so the factory-installed AMAX AM Stereo radio in a 2005 > Ford Mustang is "antique"!?). > > Littlejohn also is co-chairman of the AM Subcommittee of the NRSC. > > Why the difference? Music station listeners may have more wideband > radios, such as the GE SuperRadio (in Wide Band mode) so going with > a 6 kHz audio bandwidth "kind of negates degradation to those > stations," said Littlejohn. > > Feedback he's received on the change from chief engineers of other > radio group owners has been positive, he said. > > "Several echoed that they had done this for awhile. They realized > they could be louder without degradation," he said. > > "They were thinking ahead of everybody else," he said in praise. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Oct 02 15:22:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48383 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2004 22:22:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2004 22:22:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2004 22:22:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2004 22:22:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2004 22:22:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 22:22:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002b01c4a8cd$48d1fd60$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 995 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.131 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Clear Channel reduces AM audio bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Being that this guy is on the NRSC committee, he's got a lot of > pull and will likely be able to make it stick. While the article > says others have already done it, they don't tell you that instead > of backing off down to 5kHz, it might be only 7.5k instead. And like I mentioned before, the amount of pre-emphasis being used also plays a role in how much adjacent-channel interference is produced -- not just the audio bandwidth. An aggressively-processed Optimod 9200 set to its default pre-emphasis curve "crams in" the high frequencies much more consistently than something like a CRL Amigo AM set to the NRSC curve, thus creating significantly more "monkey chatter" on adjacent channels. Thus, the ideal solution is to simply use the standard NRSC 75 uS pre-emphasis curve and back off on the treble processing a bit. This would noticeably reduce adjacent-channel interference, and yet retain full 10 kHz audio bandwidth for listeners with wideband receivers to enjoy. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Oct 02 15:24:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2529 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2004 22:24:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2004 22:24:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2004 22:24:05 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.219]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 2 Oct 2004 16:24:03 -0600 Message-ID: <006501c4a8cf$13699640$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <2B0A0A54-14BC-11D9-AACE-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:27:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2004 22:24:04.0021 (UTC) FILETIME=[86204E50:01C4A8CE] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I don't know if there's any truth to this rumor... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Or more accurately "in the process of being slaughtered." Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" If the radios were indeed all narrowband, there wouldn't be chatter now, would there? AM is dead. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Oct 02 15:26:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73238 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2004 22:26:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2004 22:26:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2004 22:26:06 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.219]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 2 Oct 2004 16:26:04 -0600 Message-ID: <006d01c4a8cf$5bbb1360$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:29:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2004 22:26:05.0313 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE6BFF10:01C4A8CE] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WGY now in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Looks like I'll have the fortune to hear your presentation at the Madison Broadcasters Clinic in several days. Any idea if there will be a working demonstration there? Scott Todd skeptical but still open ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" > > No change in the iBiquity signal....it's still the same. I've been > saying all along that it's not as bad as the gloom and doomers have > been saying. From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Oct 02 15:28:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6763 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2004 22:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2004 22:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2004 22:28:22 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.182.37]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.2.315.0) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 18:35:41 -0400 Message-ID: <003601c4a8cf$12419100$25b60642@4bmx301> To: References: <2B0A0A54-14BC-11D9-AACE-0005021D3C76@cox.net> <006501c4a8cf$13699640$d503fea9@home1> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 18:27:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I don't know if there's any truth to this rumor... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Powell.. this one is right up your alley.... we are waiting for your usually quick snappy comments.... cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 6:27 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} I don't know if there's any truth to this rumor... Or more accurately "in the process of being slaughtered." Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Oct 02 21:55:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57967 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2004 04:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2004 04:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2004 04:55:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20041003045528.68518.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.81] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 21:55:28 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 21:55:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003601c4a8cf$12419100$25b60642@4bmx301> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} I don't know if there's any truth to this rumor... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Chris Cuff wrote: > Powell.. this one is right up your alley.... we are > waiting for your usually quick snappy comments.... > > cc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Todd > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} I don't know if there's any > truth to this rumor... > > > Or more accurately "in the process of being > slaughtered." > Scott Todd "There's hamburger all over the road in Mystic Connecticut..." Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Oct 02 21:56:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82853 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2004 04:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2004 04:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52403.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.111) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2004 04:56:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20041003045652.28103.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.81] by web52403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 21:56:52 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 21:56:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006d01c4a8cf$5bbb1360$d503fea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.111 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WGY now in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > Looks like I'll have the fortune to hear your > presentation at the Madison > Broadcasters Clinic in several days. Any idea if > there will be a working > demonstration there? > > Scott Todd > skeptical but still open > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Ray" > > > > No change in the iBiquity signal....it's still the > same. I've been > > saying all along that it's not as bad as the gloom > and doomers have > > been saying. The people in Nashville trying to listen to WLAC don't think so when WSAI leaves the IBOC on nightly (this month) until 10:30 Eastern... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From dougharding@bellsouth.net Sun Oct 03 06:52:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98956 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2004 13:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2004 13:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2004 13:52:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2004 13:52:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2004 13:52:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:52:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 752 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 65.6.205.68 Subject: Narrowband 5khz audio on AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I had stopped listening to AM in the car in 2001 when I traded my Neon for a Eclispe and went from AMAX HI FI AM stereo quality to telephone sound quality on AM. Now I have a new 2004 Ford which has a HI FI AMAX AM Stereo system in it and I have started to listen to AM again. We have two AM stations here in Miami WIOD 610 which is news talk and WKAT 1360 which is classical music that although mono, sound like FM stations on my car radio. However WQAM 560 is now HD digital and has horrible 5khz audio. On my new Ford car radio not only does it sound like mushy crap but I hear lots of hiss and noise. It is unlistenable. Attention Clear Channel, WE THE PUBLIC CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE AND WILL NOT LISTEN TO CRAPPY AUDIO ON OUR ANTIQUE 2004 RADIOS! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Oct 03 14:15:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68129 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2004 21:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2004 21:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51610.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.215) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2004 21:15:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20041003211535.28490.qmail@web51610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.89.7] by web51610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 14:15:35 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:15:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.215 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Jeff Littlejohn's memo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Sounds like Mr. Littlejohn based his decision to reduce the bandwidth of hundreds of CC stations upon his informal, subjective "testing" of ONE receiver -- the radio in his car. Also, I have no idea where he got the incorrect test data regarding the GE Superadio III. In Wide mode, that radio has AM audio bandwidth flat out to well beyond 10 kHz. Even in Narrow mode, its audio response extends significantly beyond the "6 kHz" figure quoted by Mr. Littlejohn. Anyway, here you go.... From: Littlejohn, Jeff Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:37 PM To: Radio Engineers; Regional Engineering List Cc: Littlejohn, Jeff Subject: Five Kilohertz Audio Bandwidth on AM Good Afternoon Everyone. Over the past couple of years, I’ve spent some time doing IBOC testing to determine its impact on the AM band. One such test was conducted in Cincinnati at WLW and in New York City at WOR. During those tests, we limited both stations to 5 KHz Audio Bandwidth and then turned on and off the IBOC carriers at 1 minute intervals. I happened to be flying home the night of the tests, so I was not able to go to the transmitter site, but I did tune in on the drive home from the airport. The result was pretty interesting! When I tuned to 710 AM, I heard WOR-AM’s Skywave crystal clear! Never in the dozen years of living in Cincinnati had I heard WOR’s skywave signal…. It had always been obliterated by the sidebands of WLW. Next, I tuned to WLW 700, I couldn’t perceive any audible degradation by limiting the audio to 5 KHz. Suddenly, it struck me that Radio had lost the battle that was fought in 1987 through 1991…. That was the time period when we argued with the CEA, NAB and NRSC about a couple of new AM Audio standards, NRSC-1, NRSC-2 and NRSC-3. I remember complaining about how much limiting our audio sidebands to 10 KHz was going to degrade the performance of AM. NAB wanted to retain 15 KHz audio, CEA wanted us to reduce our audio bandwidth to 5 KHz…. In the end, we settled on 10 KHz audio and later the FCC adopted the standard as the new bandwidth requirement. The goal of NRSC was laudable and was intended to result in wider bandwidth receivers (remember the AMAX standard?)… but the fact is that nobody ever made more than a handful of these wider bandwidth receivers. Instead (in response to customer complaints about AM interference) the receiver manufacturers continued to reduce the audio bandwidth of AM receivers to eliminate the “chatter” caused by the sidebands of adjacent channels. The result is that an “above average” receiver today has audio response that is less than 4.5 KHz. In fact most have audio response that is down 10-12 dB at 5 KHz….. and the roll off can start at around 2 KHz. As far as I am aware, there is only one commonly manufactured radio that has more than 4.5 KHz audio bandwidth… the GE SuperRadio (in Wide Band mode)… that one is good to about 6 KHz before it’s significantly rolled off. These results were confirmed by tests conducted under a study by ATTC. So ask yourself… “Why do we broadcast 10KHz Audio on the AM band if nobody can pick it up?” The only reasons I can find to maintain 10 KHz audio bandwidth is that “It’s the way we’ve done it for the last 12 years”. There are a couple good reasons to reduce our AM bandwidth to match the bandwidth of the available receivers. 1. Increased Modulation Efficiency. By eliminating the broadcast of the high frequency energy, we can increase the amount of energy that is in the 20Hz-5KHz region. Let’s not forget that due to pre-emphasis, higher frequencies are boosted and will have a more profound affect on total modulation than lower frequencies will. 2. Reduced interference to first-adjacent frequencies. a. (WOAI-1200 in San Antonio interferes with KFXR-1190 in Dallas) b. (WHP-580 in Harrisburg interferes with WTNT 570 in Washington, DC) 3. AM modulation that falls outside of a receiver’s usable bandwidth ends up increasing the noise floor within the audible bandwidth. Given that I can find no good reason to maintain 10 KHz audio bandwidth and that there are substantive benefits to our reduction of Audio Bandwidth to match the pass band of AM receivers, I want to institute a Standard Operating Practice for all Clear Channel AM stations. Beginning as soon as the next time you go to the AM transmitter site, the following S.O.P. should be put into place. - For all AM stations operating with modern Audio Processors… Orban 9200, Omnia 4.5, Omnia 3, Omnia 3 CC, we will reduce our Audio Bandwidth. o 5.0 KHz Audio Bandwidth for all AM stations except Music intensive AM stations. o 6.0 KHz Audio Bandwidth for AM stations with a Music intensive format. - For stations that do not currently have a modern audio processor which is capable of this reduction in Audio Bandwidth, we will give favorable review to any request for a replacement audio processor. This doesn’t mean you’ll get it, but it’s likely. It is true that AM HD Radio is going to require that we reduce our audio bandwidth to 5 KHz in order to properly implement that technology…and we’re making serious efforts to implement AM HD Radio at our stations over the next couple of years. However, this change has nothing to do with HD Radio. It’s the right thing to do for AM Analog radio service. HD radio just happened to point out that the benefit existed. The result of our change will be more competitive AM Analog modulation (without the necessity of increased audio processing) and reduced interference to our neighboring stations. As the Co-Chairman of the AM Subcommittee of the NRSC, I am proposing this standard practice among all AM licensees… but for today, Clear Channel will be the leader in this effort to clean up the AM Analog Service. Thanks for all your help in this effort… please feel free to ask questions if you have them. Jeff. ******************************************** Jeff Littlejohn SVP - Engineering - Clear Channel Radio __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From tomray@wor710.com Sun Oct 03 17:16:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25671 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2004 00:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2004 00:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2004 00:16:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 00:16:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 00:16:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 00:16:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006d01c4a8cf$5bbb1360$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 665 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: WGY now in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Looks like I'll have the fortune to hear your presentation at the Madison > Broadcasters Clinic in several days. Any idea if there will be a working > demonstration there? > > Scott Todd > skeptical but still open Todd: Unfortunately, since our company is based in Connecticut, I am being sent to the Connecticut Broadcaster's Association show in Farmington, CT and will not be attending Madison. I don't know if there will be live demos, but I know that Andy Laird from WTMJ will be there, and I'm sending a short power point presentation along with audio samples. Tom Ray WOR, NYC From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Oct 03 19:19:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85872 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2004 02:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2004 02:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao02.cox.net) (68.230.241.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2004 02:19:00 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.5.10.101]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20041004021858.KWAH26240.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:18:58 -0400 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:18:58 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <20041003211535.28490.qmail@web51610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.37 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jeff Littlejohn's memo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Anyone have an email address for Jeff? KLAC is unlistenable now, The=20 ringing is horrendous! On Sunday, October 3, 2004, at 02:15 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > Sounds like Mr. Littlejohn based his decision to reduce the bandwidth=20 > of > hundreds of CC stations upon his informal, subjective "testing" of ONE > receiver -- the radio in his car. > > Also, I have no idea where he got the incorrect test data regarding the > GE Superadio III. In Wide mode, that radio has AM audio bandwidth=20 > flat out > to well beyond 10 kHz. Even in Narrow mode, its audio response extends > significantly beyond the "6 kHz" figure quoted by Mr. Littlejohn. > > Anyway, here you go.... > > > From: Littlejohn, Jeff > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:37 PM > To: Radio Engineers; Regional Engineering List > Cc: Littlejohn, Jeff > Subject: Five Kilohertz Audio Bandwidth on AM > > Good Afternoon Everyone. > > Over the past couple of years, I=92ve spent some time doing IBOC testing= =20 > to > determine its impact on the AM band. One such test was conducted in > Cincinnati at WLW and in New York City at WOR. During those tests, we > limited both stations to 5 KHz Audio Bandwidth and then turned on and=20 > off > the IBOC carriers at 1 minute intervals. I happened to be flying=20 > home the > > night of the tests, so I was not able to go to the transmitter site,=20 > but I > did tune in on the drive home from the airport. The result was pretty > interesting! > > When I tuned to 710 AM, I heard WOR-AM=92s Skywave crystal clear! Never= =20 > in > the dozen years of living in Cincinnati had I heard WOR=92s skywave=20 > signal=85. > It had always been obliterated by the sidebands of WLW. Next, I tuned=20 > to > WLW 700, I couldn=92t perceive any audible degradation by limiting the=20 > audio > to 5 KHz. Suddenly, it struck me that Radio had lost the battle that=20 > was > fought in 1987 through 1991=85. That was the time period when we argued=20 > with > the CEA, NAB and NRSC about a couple of new AM Audio standards, NRSC-1, > NRSC-2 and NRSC-3. I remember complaining about how much limiting our > audio sidebands to 10 KHz was going to degrade the performance of AM. = =20 > NAB > > wanted to retain 15 KHz audio, CEA wanted us to reduce our audio=20 > bandwidth > to 5 KHz=85. In the end, we settled on 10 KHz audio and later the FCC=20 > adopted > > the standard as the new bandwidth requirement. > > The goal of NRSC was laudable and was intended to result in wider=20 > bandwidth > > receivers (remember the AMAX standard?)=85 but the fact is that nobody=20 > ever > made more than a handful of these wider bandwidth receivers. Instead=20 > (in > response to customer complaints about AM interference) the receiver > manufacturers continued to reduce the audio bandwidth of AM receivers=20 > to > eliminate the =93chatter=94 caused by the sidebands of adjacent channels.= =20 > The > result is that an =93above average=94 receiver today has audio response=20 > that is > > less than 4.5 KHz. In fact most have audio response that is down=20 > 10-12 dB > at 5 KHz=85.. and the roll off can start at around 2 KHz. As far as I am > aware, there is only one commonly manufactured radio that has more=20 > than 4.5 > > KHz audio bandwidth=85 the GE SuperRadio (in Wide Band mode)=85 that one = is > good to about 6 KHz before it=92s significantly rolled off. These=20 > results > were confirmed by tests conducted under a study by ATTC. > > So ask yourself=85 =93Why do we broadcast 10KHz Audio on the AM band if=20 > nobody > can pick it up?=94 The only reasons I can find to maintain 10 KHz audio > bandwidth is that =93It=92s the way we=92ve done it for the last 12 years= =94. > > There are a couple good reasons to reduce our AM bandwidth to match the > bandwidth of the available receivers. > > 1. Increased Modulation Efficiency. By eliminating the broadcast=20 > of > the high frequency energy, we can increase the amount of energy that=20 > is in > the 20Hz-5KHz region. Let=92s not forget that due to pre-emphasis,=20 > higher > frequencies are boosted and will have a more profound affect on total > modulation than lower frequencies will. > > 2. Reduced interference to first-adjacent frequencies. > a. (WOAI-1200 in San Antonio interferes with KFXR-1190 in Dallas) > b. (WHP-580 in Harrisburg interferes with WTNT 570 in Washington,=20 > DC) > > 3. AM modulation that falls outside of a receiver=92s usable=20 > bandwidth > ends up increasing the noise floor within the audible bandwidth. > > Given that I can find no good reason to maintain 10 KHz audio=20 > bandwidth and > > that there are substantive benefits to our reduction of Audio=20 > Bandwidth to > match the pass band of AM receivers, I want to institute a Standard > Operating Practice for all Clear Channel AM stations. > > Beginning as soon as the next time you go to the AM transmitter site,=20 > the > following S.O.P. should be put into place. > > - For all AM stations operating with modern Audio Processors=85=20 > Orban > 9200, Omnia 4.5, Omnia 3, Omnia 3 CC, we will reduce our Audio=20 > Bandwidth. > > o 5.0 KHz Audio Bandwidth for all AM stations except Music=20 > intensive > AM stations. > > o 6.0 KHz Audio Bandwidth for AM stations with a Music intensive > format. > > - For stations that do not currently have a modern audio=20 > processor > which is capable of this reduction in Audio Bandwidth, we will give > favorable review to any request for a replacement audio processor. = =20 > This > doesn=92t mean you=92ll get it, but it=92s likely. > > It is true that AM HD Radio is going to require that we=20 > reduce > > our audio bandwidth to 5 KHz in order to properly implement that > technology=85and we=92re making serious efforts to implement AM HD Radio= =20 > at our > > stations over the next couple of years. However, this change has=20 > nothing > to do with HD Radio. It=92s the right thing to do for AM Analog radio > service. HD radio just happened to point out that the benefit existed. > > The result of our change will be more competitive AM Analog modulation > (without the necessity of increased audio processing) and reduced > interference to our neighboring stations. > > As the Co-Chairman of the AM Subcommittee of the NRSC, I am proposing=20 > this > standard practice among all AM licensees=85 but for today, Clear Channel= =20 > will > > be the leader in this effort to clean up the AM Analog Service. > > Thanks for all your help in this effort=85 please feel free to ask=20 > questions > if you have them. > > Jeff. > > ******************************************** > Jeff Littlejohn > SVP - Engineering - Clear Channel Radio > > > > >=20=09=09 > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From brucec@mindspring.com Sun Oct 03 19:44:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45344 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2004 02:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2004 02:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2004 02:44:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 02:44:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 02:44:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 02:44:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 998 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.226.63.224 Subject: Re: Narrowband 5khz audio on AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Would you be able to record the self-jamming on IBOC? Wideband "antique 2004" car radios are one matter that certainly deserves attention - especially since it appears that Ford is installing wideband AM radios in all of the new models. I also am wondering if you can hear the IBOC self-jamming effect on inexpensive radios in your home? If so, can you record off of them? Ibiquity themselves noted this self-jamming effect, but made the wrong conclusion that the one radio on which they observed it was defective. It now appears to be a fundamental flaw with the IBOC concept. I am going for nothing less than a complete technical report to submit to the FCC. Hopefully we can change their mind before the debacle really gets started. In the long run, if we can show just how sloppy the majority of new radios are on selectivity (and therefore have wide bandwidth) - even Clear Channel themselves will eventually thank us for sparing their stations from a horrible mistake. From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sun Oct 03 23:24:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4309 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2004 06:24:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2004 06:24:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2004 06:24:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 06:24:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 06:24:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 06:24:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 242 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 66.81.221.173 Subject: Re: Narrowband 5khz audio on AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 If anyone has a contact e-mail for Cheap Channel, go ahead and post it... they'll hear from me..... Tom > Attention Clear Channel, WE THE PUBLIC CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE AND > WILL NOT LISTEN TO CRAPPY AUDIO ON OUR ANTIQUE 2004 RADIOS! From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Oct 04 01:08:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25687 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2004 08:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2004 08:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2004 08:08:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 08:06:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 08:06:39 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12032 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2004 03:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2004 03:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2004 03:31:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 03:31:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 03:31:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 03:31:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 376 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.61 Subject: Re: Narrowband 5khz audio on AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 04 Oct 2004 08:06:35 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 Frankly, I don't think the corporates give a damn, as long as there's money and power involved. And the rank & file CEs have little to no say- Just the ones with connections, and they've been pocketed. I have no love for the corporate broadcasting system, especially when they have enough influence on the regulators to get away with whatever they want. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Oct 04 06:44:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23649 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2004 13:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2004 13:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2004 13:44:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 13:42:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 13:42:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:42:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 638 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jeff Littlejohn's memo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter That memo seems a little strange, since he is raving about hearing WOR's skywave, only to propose a change that will permanently obliterate it. The corporate people at Clear Channel may have been paid off, but a well documented technical report on IBOC self-jamming effect simply cannot be ignored at the FCC. Everybody find as many cheap radios as you can - you can tell from this memo that he is still thinking back in the era of the three IF transformer era. Radio designs have moved on since then! Virtually EVERY radio on the shelf at Walmart and Target has sloppy wide band AM response - I tried it over the weekend! From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Oct 04 09:49:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52896 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2004 16:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2004 16:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2004 16:49:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 16:47:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 16:47:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:47:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 79 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jeff Littlejohn's memo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee > Anyone have an email address for Jeff? I've put out feelers... we'll see. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Oct 04 10:18:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82638 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2004 17:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2004 17:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2004 17:18:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 17:17:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 17:17:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:17:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 291 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: "antique" radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Jeff Littlejohn should go shopping for WORKING wooden tube radios on eBay. They ain't cheap! And they're not scarce, either. There's a VERY large demand for radios that are capable of sucking in 10 kHz of AM fidelity. I'm preaching to the choir, but I couldn't help making this point. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Oct 04 10:40:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33023 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2004 17:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2004 17:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14224.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2004 17:40:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20041004174006.42315.qmail@web14224.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14224.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 10:40:06 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:40:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.171.108 From: "John P." Subject: Reduced AM Frequency Response X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio tom_richard wrote: "Looks like all those Sonys Carvers and Denons are 'antique' also. What are they thinking? "OK, if you'll make crummy radios and receivers, we'll just make a matching signal". AGGHH!!" When I hear "AGGHH..." I picture Charlie Brown flying through the air after Lucy pulls the football away! Here's my cartoon radio analogy: Lucy=Clear Channel, football=AMAX reception, Charlie Brown=the AM listener. Mr. Littlejohn forgot about those antique 2004 high-quality AMAX Fanfare FTA-100 tuners from his list! What about the "Lennox Sound" $5 portable AM/FM radios from Dollar General and/or Wal-Mart? Wal-Mart probably sells more radios than Radio Shack by now? Those antiques have fairly wide bandwidth for an inexpensive portable. Has anybody measured it yet? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Oct 04 11:42:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56226 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2004 18:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2004 18:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2004 18:42:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 18:42:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 18:42:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:42:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 589 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Littlejohn's e-mail X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Okay, folks... I've got it. Let's make these complaints sincere and polite. There's no quicker way to get dismissed as a bunch of hard liners from a niche message board than to let our anger show up in profanity-laced, or condescending, or mean-spirited e-mails. Since Clear Channel is invested in HD Radio, we may just be planting seeds in Littlejohn's mind which won't bear fruit for some time--even years. We need to be thought of as "friends" of the AM dial! JeffLittlejohn@clearchannel.com 50 E River Center Covington ,KY 41011 His assistant is Debbie at 859-655-6535 From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 04 12:46:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24998 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2004 19:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2004 19:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2004 19:46:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20041004194616.79672.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.126] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:46:15 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:46:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jeff Littlejohn's memo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > Anyone have an email address for Jeff? KLAC is > unlistenable now, The > ringing is horrendous! *WRITE* the station, and ask that it be put in the public file and a copy be sent to Mr. Littlejohn. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From dougharding@bellsouth.net Mon Oct 04 13:15:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2397 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2004 20:15:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2004 20:15:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2004 20:15:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 20:14:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 20:14:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 20:14:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1038 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.100 Subject: Re: Narrowband 5khz audio on AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I do not have a portable recording deck to record off the car radio and all of my receivers at home are wideband, Fanfare, Carver TX-11b, Denon 680NAB and Marantz SR440. I do remember my Mitsubshi Eclispe had a very narrowband AM and when listening to WQAM I did not hear the hiss and noise I hear on my new ford radio when listening to WQAM. One thing I did notice was that the Fanfare seems to automatically narrowband itself on WQAM and I do not hear the hiss and noise on it, also the wide/narrow button does not work on the Fanfare when tuned to WQAM. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > Would you be able to record the self-jamming on IBOC? > Wideband "antique 2004" car radios are one matter that certainly > deserves attention - especially since it appears that Ford is > installing wideband AM radios in all of the new models. > > I also am wondering if you can hear the IBOC self-jamming effect on > inexpensive radios in your home? If so, can you record off of them? > > From cbreton27@hotmail.com Mon Oct 04 14:08:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71740 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2004 21:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2004 21:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2004 21:08:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:08:05 -0700 Received: from 69.157.141.236 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 21:07:25 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:07:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2004 21:08:05.0882 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E16FDA0:01C4AA56] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.74 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.141.236] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi Bruce, Thanks for your web page it's really full of good information. Can you tell me or somebody else on this forum, that the modification on the srf-42 will tell me actually who is really broadcasting in am stereo like for exemple, my dodge shadow car radio is telling me that wpht 1210 is an am stereo station. Thanks for the answer ! and i did write on the blackboard 100 times my homework !!! Christian >From: "Bruce Carter" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: sony srf-42 >Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 12:43:09 -0000 > > > Will you link my web page to your web page? > > Thanks. > >Actually, I already do: > >http://www.mindspring.com/~brucec/dx.htm > _________________________________________________________________ Des mécanismes de contrôle parental puissants permettent à votre enfant de découvrir tout ce qu’Internet a à offrir. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-ca&page=features/parental Commencez dès maintenant à profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Oct 04 16:26:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49007 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2004 23:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2004 23:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51601.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.206) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2004 23:26:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20041004232627.50823.qmail@web51601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.87.1] by web51601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:26:27 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 16:26:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, broadcast@broadcast.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.206 From: "Kevin T." Subject: AM bandwidth & pre-emphasis: CC vs. Crawford X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics An article from Radio World explains that Crawford will be following CC's trend of cutting down AM bandwidth -- exception for stations with analog audio processing (i.e. CRL), where Crawford will instead disable their pre-emphasis, thus transmitting "flat" AM audio probably for the first time since the early 1970s. To me, that seems like the complete _opposite_ of Clear Channel's objective, because transmitting full- bandwidth audio with no pre-emphasis actually caters to listeners with "antique" wideband receivers, and will actually make these receivers sound better -- as opposed to chopping the transmitted audio bandwidth down to 5 or 6 kHz and maintaining greater-than-NRSC pre-emphasis, which caters to low-fidelity narrowband receivers and will undoubtedly make wideband receivers sound much _worse_. Also, Mr. Alexander directly admits exactly what many people here have been saying -- cutting down the analog bandwidth now is a way to "prepare" AM listeners for the degraded audio they'll be hearing when IBOC is turned on. So after a few months of 5 or 6 kHz audio, listeners will already be used to the crappy audio, and when the IBOC is fired up, the only difference they'll notice is the added background hiss. A second article from Radio World, printed below, explains the objections to reducing analog AM bandwidth. (BTW, shouldn't Radio World know that kilohertz is abbreviated as "kHz", not "KHz"!?) Crawford to Reduce Audio Bandwidth on AMs Crawford Broadcasting is following Clear Channel's lead and reducing its audio bandwidth on its AM stations. RW Online broke the story about Clear Channel's change to limit audio bandwidth to 5 KHz and 6 KHz, depending on whether a station is music intensive or not. The effort is aimed at reducing interference and noise and improving loudness without increasing distortion. Crawford DOE Cris Alexander states in a memo to his engineers: "We have been experimenting with this for some time now in our Denver cluster, and our conclusions agree with those of Clear Channel. In addition to the above-cited benefits, reducing the audio bandwidth now prepares the way for eventual conversion to HD Radio, which we anticipate for most stations in the next two years, depending on FCC action on the pending Notice of Inquiry." "Making the change now will serve to prepare listeners for the analog sound that will exist when we turn on our digital carriers," Alexander states. Crawford will make the change immediately in AMs that have digital processors. Stations using analog processors can adjust High Frequency Equalization control to minimum to remove the preemphasis and serve to reduce bandwidth. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Not Everyone Wants to Reduce AM Bandwidth The bandwidth reduction proposal for AM is controversial. Clear Channel Radio's Senior VP of Engineering Jeff Littlejohn intends to recommend to the National Radio Systems Committee meeting at the NAB Radio Show next week that all AMs reduce their bandwidth. Littlejohn is also co-chairman of the NRSC Subcommittee on AM. He and other NRSC participants believe the body will likely want to conduct its own studies before making a final decision on the change. Several readers told us confidentially they have problems with this concept, especially for AMs who don't intend to go digital. In their view, the argument boils down to degrading the analog to make the digital audio sound better in comparison, to drive consumers to buy HD Radios. These same readers say reducing the AM bandwidth to reduce interference doesn't negate the interference produced on the IBOC sidebands to first adjacent stations, especially at night. Some of their statements to us include: "This statement requires much more investigation by our engineering community. Why does this degradation appear to be a smokescreen for IBOC quality issues?" "I think Clear Channel is cheapening AM analog for the benefit of digital." "As an industry, we've promoted building better quality AM radios. ... We're going to have another opportunity to miss improving our AM receivers. There is now no incentive for any AM radio receiver manufacturer to build anything except 6KHz or lower grade receivers for analog. So long broad bandwidth... What incentive is there for transmitter manufacturers to build quality analog audio sections to their units now?" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Oct 04 21:01:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32945 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 04:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2004 04:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 04:01:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 04:01:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 04:01:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 04:01:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 161 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.183.143 Subject: Re: Clear Channel reduces AM audio bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio I gather they want the quality of the audio to match the quality of the programming. Makes sense to me! *sarcasm mode off* This industry is in REAL trouble. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Oct 04 23:25:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65555 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 06:25:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2004 06:25:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51604.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.209) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 06:25:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20041005062518.3514.qmail@web51604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.87.1] by web51604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 23:25:18 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:25:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, broadcast@broadcast.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.209 From: "Kevin T." Subject: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As we've all heard, Jeff Littlejohn of Clear Channel wants the NRSC to restrict AM audio bandwidth to as little as 5 kHz, in order to reduce adjacent-channel interference. But I've just thought of something... wouldn't that make the use of AM IBOC illegal? The current AM IBOC systems, both hybrid and full-digital, were specifically designed to "fit" the current 10 kHz NRSC "mask". So therefore, if the NRSC mask is reduced down to 5 kHz, as Mr. Littlejohn intends, then that will render IBOC useless -- especially if the mask is designed to reflect the real-world characteristics of _analog_ AM signals. Perhaps Mr. Littlejohn should have thought these things over a little more carefully, instead of just tuning in WOR's skywave on his car radio and saying to himself, "Hey, I think _all_ AM stations should run 5 kHz audio!" _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From tomray@wor710.com Tue Oct 05 05:25:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46595 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 12:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2004 12:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 12:25:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 12:25:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 12:25:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 12:25:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041005062518.3514.qmail@web51604.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 810 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > But I've just thought of something... wouldn't that make the use of AM IBOC > illegal? The current AM IBOC systems, both hybrid and full-digital, were > specifically designed to "fit" the current 10 kHz NRSC "mask". > If the NRSC audio mask were reduced, but the RF mask remained the same, there would be no issues. Something else to think about that no one else has brought up. Before the FCC did things like delete the sections of the rules pertaining to station performance, AM stations were only required to pass up to 5kHz. There were specifications in the rules for frequency response and distortion above 5kHz, but the AM station was only required to proof and pass up to 5kHz. Something to consider. Tom Ray WOR From brucec@mindspring.com Tue Oct 05 06:46:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53945 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 13:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2004 13:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 13:46:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 13:45:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 13:45:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 13:45:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 804 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: Narrowband 5khz audio on AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > I do not have a portable recording deck to record off the car radio > and all of my receivers at home are wideband, Fanfare, Carver TX- 11b, > Denon 680NAB and Marantz SR440. I do remember my Mitsubshi Eclispe had > a very narrowband AM and when listening to WQAM I did not hear the > hiss and noise I hear on my new ford radio when listening to WQAM. One > thing I did notice was that the Fanfare seems to automatically > narrowband itself on WQAM and I do not hear the hiss and noise on it, > also the wide/narrow button does not work on the Fanfare when tuned to > WQAM. My theory about the Fanfare --- it detects the high level of hiss and noise above 5 kHz and automatically switches to low bandwidth mode. Since it is a high cost receiver, I bet they put all kinds of "smarts" into it. From brucec@mindspring.com Tue Oct 05 06:49:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31041 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 13:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2004 13:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 13:49:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 13:48:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 13:48:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 13:48:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 188 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: {AMSF} Re: sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I have often wondered why Sony didn't include an AM stereo light on the SRF-A1. All it takes is a 25 Hz detector and switch - probably a nuisance to add to an already crowded PC board. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Oct 05 07:52:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48186 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 14:52:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2004 14:52:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 14:52:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 14:52:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 14:52:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:52:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 580 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << but the AM station was only required to proof and pass up to 5kHz. Something to consider. >> Great stations don't merely satisfy the minimum. They exceed expectations at every turn, and, since radio is an AUDIO medium, the SOUND of the station is a good place to start. Can you be this honest, Ray? At it's best, IBOC sounds equal to hi-fi C-Quam. Not better. Not worse. The public has higher expectations for "technological advancements" than that. You don't go around making us buy new, more expensive toys that don't perform better than the previous ones. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Oct 05 14:20:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28867 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 21:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2004 21:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 21:20:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 21:20:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 21:20:00 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14785 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 04:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2004 04:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 04:23:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 04:23:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 04:23:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 04:23:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1402 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.136 Subject: Re: Clear Channel reduces AM audio bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Oct 2004 21:19:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: > > This industry is in REAL trouble. At the risk of repeating myself- I hate to say it, but... Yes.... Yes it is. And it goes so far beyond just the issue of IBOC. This is an industry out of control, and the only way I know that we can deal with it is just get out of the way and let it exhaust itself. This may sound defeatist, but it's not supposed to be. Those of us who do care for radio are too weak to do anything (and if we could, we would need LOTS of money- The kind or resource that would make the expenditure of a Fanfare no more of an impact than a sneeze or pocket lint), but what we CAN do is, instead of giving up, we simply redirect our knowledge and resources towards preservation and application of AMS elsewhere until this fiasco in broadcast radio subsides, and we could then reclaim broadcasting for what it was meant to be- A public resource and community service. I think Part 15 stations should take part in EAS, as we may be the only ones who can provide such a community service. The corporates don't want that. This is why they've faught against LPFM and other ideas- They don't want the public to be served, because frankly, we don't matter. Let the industry self destruct! We will still be there when they do, and you know what? WE WILL DO IT RIGHT! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Oct 05 14:20:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21340 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 21:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2004 21:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 21:20:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 21:20:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 21:20:18 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80014 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 08:42:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2004 08:42:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 08:42:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 08:42:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 08:42:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 08:42:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041005062518.3514.qmail@web51604.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1531 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Oct 2004 21:20:16 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 Jeff Littlejohn should do whatever it takes to get all stations on all analog radios to sound at LEAST as good as this... http://68.105.108.90:1180/stephen/amradio/rdodsny_snd_1.mp3 Oh, and who else (besides JL) would be likely to try to get AM stations to have at least that good of an audio quality with analog (not necessarily that format, though, although it would be nice to be able to get it that clear in the eastern suburbs of San Diego...) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > As we've all heard, Jeff Littlejohn of Clear Channel wants the NRSC to > restrict AM audio bandwidth to as little as 5 kHz, in order to reduce > adjacent-channel interference. > > But I've just thought of something... wouldn't that make the use of AM IBOC > illegal? The current AM IBOC systems, both hybrid and full-digital, were > specifically designed to "fit" the current 10 kHz NRSC "mask". > > So therefore, if the NRSC mask is reduced down to 5 kHz, as Mr. Littlejohn > intends, then that will render IBOC useless -- especially if the mask is > designed to reflect the real-world characteristics of _analog_ AM signals. > > Perhaps Mr. Littlejohn should have thought these things over a little more > carefully, instead of just tuning in WOR's skywave on his car radio and > saying to himself, "Hey, I think _all_ AM stations should run 5 kHz audio!" > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Oct 05 14:21:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26916 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 21:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2004 21:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 21:21:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 21:21:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 21:21:07 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84302 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 17:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2004 17:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 17:06:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 17:06:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 17:06:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 17:05:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1467 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.136 Subject: {AMSF} Re: sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Oct 2004 21:21:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > I have often wondered why Sony didn't include an AM stereo light on > the SRF-A1. All it takes is a 25 Hz detector and switch - probably > a nuisance to add to an already crowded PC board. At the time the A1 was designed, there were 5 AMS systems, every one of which had pilot differences. For example, Kahn's was 15, Motorola's was 25, and Harris', being a variable QUAM system, varied from 25 to 55 Hz, depending on average separation. It's not impossible to add the circuit, as Sony DID make a limited number of chips that was capable of automaticly switching between systems. When the A1 was introduced in 1984, the number of systems in the US was down to 4 (Belar's version of the RCA AM/FM system bailed out after 1982), and would continue to be the case (unofficially) until at least 1991, when the last of the unconverted Harrises switched off the exciter and the last Magnavox (AM/PM, similar to RCA-Belar's AM/FM) has already shut off, leaving just C-QUAM and ISB until the FCC said C-QUAM was the de facto standard. The only ISB stereo station I know of broadcasting today is a supposed Part 15 broadcaster- "Supposed", as they're putting out more power than they should be, apparently. I, for one, would almost kill for an A1 or A100, since I sure miss my old A100, but a certain triple-earthquake event iver a decade ago quashed that. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From krichards@wor710.com Tue Oct 05 14:22:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18652 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 21:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2004 21:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 21:22:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 21:22:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 21:22:15 -0000 X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95305 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 18:32:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2004 18:32:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 18:32:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 18:31:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 18:31:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 18:31:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2540 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Oct 2004 21:22:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 > > Can you be this honest, Ray? At it's best, IBOC sounds equal to hi- fi C-Quam. Not > better. Not worse. > > The public has higher expectations for "technological advancements" than that. You > don't go around making us buy new, more expensive toys that don't perform better > than the previous ones. You and others here seem to forget that C-Quam whatever the quality, is an anlog format, therefore subject to all kinds of noise on the band. It's not getting any better....HD Radio fixes this problem, our HD signal is free from noise, in the case of FM, multipath is also eliminated. How can you deliver in today's current environment a noise free stereo signal of robust quality to AM radios over a wide area? C-Quam cannot do this easily, and neither can IBOC, there are tradeoffs in either case. But the current trend is pointing twoards IBOC....Clear Channel and the other big boys will be bringing more IBOC stations on line, (both AM and FM) and as this happens more radios will start to appear. Clear Channel's observations on the state of AM radio currently only points out what most of us already knew, there are not enough C-Quam radios out there, not enough listerners who care and the averge AM radio has a crappy bandwidth audio wise. It makes little or no sense to keep dreaming that C-Quam will ever be a major player ever again in this business, it is dying a long slow death. This also includes wide band AM audio of any kind. I pulled a Dymek tuner out of one of our transmitter racks last nite and took it home to try it as a driver for my MOH signal on my Merlin phone system. WOW!! what a surprise.....there is so much noise, as an example I like to have WQEW on...but what a mess, and even with the narrow button pushed in it's not much better. If they turned the C- Quam back on, it would be noisy Radio Disney.....2 channels of noise, left and right, instead of one. Do not blame IBOC for this but the radio manufacturers who make the crappy bandwidth radios, the public who could care less, and the FCC who never did anything positive for AM Stereo until IBOC. And then there is also the noisy spectrum we now live in. It was not like this back in the eighties as it is now. It is only going to get worse for the AM band as more competing audio services and the internet and the IPOD gain greater public acceptance. There are almost three generations of folks out there that do not even know how to tune an AM radio. Sorry if the truth hurts....... Kerry.... From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Oct 05 14:33:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88374 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 21:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2004 21:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 21:33:27 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.135]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.2.315.0) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:40:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c4ab22$d78e9520$87b50642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:32:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The SRF-M100 digital Japan market radio uses the same chipset as the SRF-42, and has a pilot LED, and no forced stereo. You can see by looking at the SRF42 schematic, they left all the pilot detect circuit out, making it a forced stereo design. Cost, above all else was the factor here. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Oct 05 14:49:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67738 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 21:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2004 21:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 21:49:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 21:49:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2004 21:49:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:49:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1142 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << I pulled a Dymek tuner out of one of our transmitter racks last nite and took it home to try it as a driver for my MOH signal on my Merlin phone system. WOW!! what a surprise.....there is so much noise, as an example I like to have WQEW on...but what a mess, >> You know, maybe IBOC will be good for the NYC market. But I assure you that there are VERY large geological swaths in the nation's heartland that don't need IBOC at all. I'm in Dallas, and the only time I have a noise problem on AM is when I turn on a fader lamp in my own home. Also, I think there are far too many AMAX radios in cars for you to argue that the public isn't going to care when 5 kHz kicks in. As you probably know, most radio listening occurs in cars. Most people don't realize they are getting hi-fi AM in their cars, but they are. I'd imagine WBAP's Rush Limbaugh audience would notice if the fidelity suddenly went from hi-fi C-QUAM to 5 kHz mono. And that audience isn't going to like being told to go buy a $200+ radio to get the SAME audio they're used to--not better audio--the danged same. When IBOC is clearly BETTER, let's talk. From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Oct 05 16:58:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61648 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 23:58:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2004 23:58:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 23:58:45 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (max1-170.skyweb.net [66.6.130.42]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i95NwfEt002930 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:58:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <416334EB.2030906@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:57:31 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe that Kerry is halfway Correct with his comments below. However I will Not Put words into his mouth... I will just change some of his wording in Brackets. The rest will Be exactly as he wrote it... IMO this is the way He should have written it.. It makes little or no sense to keep dreaming that(AM radio) will ever be a major player ever again in this business, it is dying a long slow death. This also includes wide band AM audio of any kind.(As long as)Clear Channel and the other big boys will be bringing more IBOC stations on line. It is only going to get worse for the AM band as more competing audio services and the internet and the IPOD gain greater public acceptance. There are almost three generations of folks out there that do not even know how to tune an AM radio. My question to Kerry is.. what makes him think that they will know how to tune an AM IBOC radio. If he thinks they do not know how to tune in a standard AM radio. Since most of today's Analog AM radios have Digital Tuners. I am sorry I just don't get it!!! How many Ford Vehicles were Built in 2004 ,and 2005... they ALL have AM stereo receivers in them with Digital Tuners and they sound Great.. At least he got this line right Sorry if the Truth hurts since the above is Correct.... Kerry Richards wrote: > > > >>Can you be this honest, Ray? At it's best, IBOC sounds equal to hi- >> >> >fi C-Quam. Not > > >>better. Not worse. >> >>The public has higher expectations for "technological advancements" >> >> >than that. You > > >>don't go around making us buy new, more expensive toys that don't >> >> >perform better > > >>than the previous ones. >> >> > >You and others here seem to forget that C-Quam whatever the quality, >is an anlog format, therefore subject to all kinds of noise on the >band. It's not getting any better....HD Radio fixes this problem, our >HD signal is free from noise, in the case of FM, multipath is also >eliminated. > >How can you deliver in today's current environment a noise free >stereo signal of robust quality to AM radios over a wide area? > >C-Quam cannot do this easily, and neither can IBOC, there are >tradeoffs in either case. But the current trend is pointing twoards >IBOC...., (both AM and FM) and as this happens more >radios will start to appear. > >Clear Channel's observations on the state of AM radio currently only >points out what most of us already knew, there are not enough C-Quam >radios out there, not enough listerners who care and the averge AM >radio has a crappy bandwidth audio wise. > >It makes little or no sense to keep dreaming that C-Quam will ever be >a major player ever again in this business, it is dying a long slow >death. This also includes wide band AM audio of any kind. > >I pulled a Dymek tuner out of one of our transmitter racks last nite >and took it home to try it as a driver for my MOH signal on my Merlin >phone system. WOW!! what a surprise.....there is so much noise, as an >example I like to have WQEW on...but what a mess, and even with the >narrow button pushed in it's not much better. If they turned the C- >Quam back on, it would be noisy Radio Disney.....2 channels of noise, >left and right, instead of one. > >Do not blame IBOC for this but the radio manufacturers who make the >crappy bandwidth radios, the public who could care less, and the FCC >who never did anything positive for AM Stereo until IBOC. And then >there is also the noisy spectrum we now live in. It was not like this >back in the eighties as it is now. > >It is only going to get worse for the AM band as more competing audio >services and the internet and the IPOD gain greater public >acceptance. There are almost three generations of folks out there >that do not even know how to tune an AM radio. > >Sorry if the truth hurts....... > > >Kerry.... > > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Oct 05 16:59:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66888 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 23:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2004 23:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.182) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 23:59:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:59:01 -0700 Received: from 63.184.202.179 by BAY12-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 23:58:10 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:58:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2004 23:59:01.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[49466E40:01C4AB37] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.182 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [63.184.202.179] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kerry Richards wrote: > How can you deliver in today's current environment a noise free stereo signal of robust quality to AM radios over a wide area? LOTS of Watts! I know it would be very painful, but the FCC needs to thin out the AM band. Perhaps by forcing the AM-FM combos to move the audio that was on the AM side to the second channel of their FM IBOC stations. By thinning out the AM band, they could bring back the Super-Power stations like 500 KW WLW 700. In analog they put out a full quieting signal way out, and they would be strong enough for Skywave DRM digital audio. > > It is only going to get worse for the AM band as more competing audio services and the internet and the IPOD gain greater public acceptance. I must admit I do love my iPod! I have it hooked to the XM input on my Sony Xplod car stereo. > >There are almost three generations of folks out there that do not even know how to tune an AM radio. Not even a digital tuning model! I have more people ask me what is wrong with the radio in their new RV. "It makes crackling and buzzing noise and goes from 540 to 1700 with nothing but Spanish stations...How do I get it to listen to Smooth Jazz 94.1?" Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Oct 05 21:30:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38180 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 04:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 04:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51603.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.208) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 04:30:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20041006043022.8388.qmail@web51603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.87.131] by web51603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:30:22 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:30:22 -0700 (PDT) To: broadcast@broadcast.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.208 From: "Kevin T." Subject: BERadio article on CC's AM bandwidth decision X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.beradio.com: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clear Channel: 5kHz for AM Cincinnati – Sep 29, 2004 – A memo sent to the Clear Channel Radio engineers from Jeff Littlejohn, senior VP of engineering for Clear Channel, spells out a plan for all the Clear Channel AM stations to reduce their audio bandwidth to 5kHz or 6kHz, depending on the station's format. Littlejohn based the decision on his own listening experience during IBOC tests with WLW (700) Cincinnati and WOR (710) New York. An excerpt from his memo: "During those tests, we limited both stations to 5kHz audio bandwidth and then turned on and off the IBOC carriers at 1-minute intervals. The result was pretty interesting! When I tuned to 710 AM, I heard WOR-AM's skywave crystal clear! Never in the dozen years of living in Cincinnati had I heard WOR's skywave signal. It had always been obliterated by the sidebands of WLW. Next, I tuned to WLW 700, I couldn't perceive any audible degradation by limiting the audio to 5kHz. Suddenly, it struck me that radio had lost the battle that was fought in 1987 through 1991. That was the time period when we argued with the CEA, [the] NAB and [the] NRSC about a couple of new AM Audio standards, NRSC-1, NRSC-2 and NRSC-3. I remember complaining about how much limiting our audio sidebands to 10kHz was going to degrade the performance of AM. NAB wanted to retain 15kHz audio, CEA wanted us to reduce our audio bandwidth to 5kHz. In the end, we settled on 10kHz audio and later the FCC adopted the standard as the new bandwidth requirement. The goal of NRSC was laudable and was intended to result in wider bandwidth receivers, but the fact is that nobody ever made more than a handful of these wider-bandwidth receivers. Instead, the receiver manufacturers continued to reduce the audio bandwidth of AM receivers to eliminate the 'chatter' caused by the sidebands of adjacent channels. The result is that an 'above average' receiver today has audio response that is less than 4.5kHz. In fact most have audio response that is down 10 to 12dB at 5kHz, and the roll off can start at around 2kHz." Littlejohn's memo goes on to question the logic of transmitting a 10kHz signal when few if any listeners can receive anything above 4.5kHz. He cites that reducing the audio bandwidth will improve modulation efficiency, reduce interference to first-adjacent channels, and reduce the noise floor in the bandwidth-limited receivers. Because of this, Littlejohn "can find no good reason to maintain 10kHz audio bandwidth" and that there are "substantive benefits" to stations reducing their audio bandwidth to match the passband of AM receivers. He has called for a standard operating practice for all Clear Channel AM stations. All stations with modern audio processors will reduce their bandwidth to 5kHz, except for those stations with music-intensive formats, which will be reduced to 6kHz. Stations that do not have a modern processor that is capable of the reduction in audio bandwidth will be given favorable review to any request for a replacement audio processor. Littlejohn adds, "It is true that AM HD Radio is going to require that we reduce our audio bandwidth to 5kHz...to properly implement that technology. However, this change has nothing to do with HD Radio. It's the right thing to do for AM analog radio service. HD Radio just happened to point out that the benefit existed." Littlejohn is the co-chairman of the NRSC's AM subcommittee, and in his memo he states that he will propose this standard practice among all AM licensees. He wants Clear Channel to "be the leader in this effort to clean up the AM analog service." Comments have already risen regarding this action. Some comments received at Radio magazine don't agree with Littlejohn's assessment of an unnoticeable impact from the reduced audio bandwidth. Other comments don't believe the claim that the move is irrelevant to the HD Radio analog signal requirements, and that this is one way to make analog AM sound worse so that AM IBOC will show a marked audio improvement over analog. There are merits to what Littlejohn proposes, but as he pointed out, the idea is not really a new one. It will cause some stir for a few days and maybe weeks, but the buzz will likely die down soon. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I have just one additional point about the figures that Mr. Littlejohn states -- particularly, his statement that "an 'above average' receiver today has audio response that is less than 4.5kHz. In fact most have audio response that is down 10 to 12dB at 5kHz". When matched with the Optimod 9200's default pre-emphasis curve, which provides 10 dB of boost at 5 kHz, a receiver whose audio response "down 10 to 12 dB at 5 kHz" would in fact either be flat or only 2 dB down. Indeed, iBiquity tested a Koss car radio as having AM audio response that is -9 dB at 4 kHz. This is an _exact_ match for the Optimod pre-emphasis curve, which provides +9 dB of boost at 4 kHz. Also, FWIW, Mr. Littlejohn happens to be a member of iBiquity's Board of Directors, as this press release explains: http://www.ibiquity.com/press/pr/021004.htm _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Oct 06 01:09:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13267 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 08:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 08:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 08:09:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 08:09:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 08:09:28 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13241 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 03:38:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 03:38:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 03:38:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 03:38:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 03:38:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 03:38:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2164 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.136 Subject: Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 06 Oct 2004 08:09:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > > You and others here seem to forget that C-Quam whatever the quality, > is an anlog format, therefore subject to all kinds of noise on the > band. It's not getting any better....HD Radio fixes this problem, our > HD signal is free from noise, in the case of FM, multipath is also > eliminated. *BZZZZZ!* Wrong answer! Yes, we DO know AM is an analogue format. We don't question that. However, even digital is just as affected as analogue from interference, and the claim on "noise free" is really only after the conversion back to analogue for the audio chain. But the digital is still affected. If it weren't, it wouldn't need the rediculously long 8+ second buffer delay to account for error correction and loss of signal. And yes, it's digital- Just as digital, in all honesty as early digital telephone transmission in the 1940s and 1950s, which was not in the least anything resembling high fidelity at the time. To send ANYTHING in the MW band, you need a rather low bitrate with a corresponding low sample rate. Let's face it- Where it tries to accomodate for this by using a compression algorhythm, it's one that's not up to the task of Ogg Vorbis, MP3Pro or RealPlayer 8+, formats that do in fact deliver at reasonable rates. However, there is no system that's perfect- Even uncompressed digital set to twice the sample & bit rates (such as for uncompressed DVD audio) isn't perfect. Nothing is. But analogue AM, whether mono or stereo, delivers sound without delays, and remains clear and intelligeable, EVEN WITH INTERFERENCE, and does so without CAUSING interference to others, nor without compromising its sound quality. I can't say the same for IBOC. Drankly, I can't see how any station could ever justify the expenditure, or why do it at all. Yes, things like this should be tested and experimented, and meet rigorous criteria that serve the public interest without compromise. And I feel we all have been compromised. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Radio must serve the community- We, the consumers, are not, with the way things are now.) From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Wed Oct 06 07:09:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51576 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 14:09:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 14:09:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 14:09:47 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.247.143.58.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.143.58] helo=earthlink.net) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CFCUD-0002L4-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 07:09:46 -0700 Message-ID: <4163FCAF.2F555FA@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:09:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.84 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Something else that may be missing from this discussion (in terms of public service) is the effect that 5kHz or 6kHz may have on older radio listeners with age-related impaired hearing. It is my understanding (from having looked at performance charts of hearing aids, with my father) that age-related hearing loss occurs first (and primarily) in the higher frequencies. In fact, my father has trouble deciphering audio that is heavy on bass and weak in the higher frequencies. On some poor recordings that are weak on the higher frequencies, we usually turn the bass completely off in order to make the recordings more decipherable to him. While the bulk of the population may find the 5kHz or 6kHz audio as merely lacking good quality, it's possible that listeners with age-related hearing loss may find the audio as completely unlistenable. Of course, they represent a very minor part of the radio population, but in terms of the public service requirement for radio, I would think that their needs should also be considered. Dick W. From wa2fnq@optonline.net Wed Oct 06 07:15:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98311 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 14:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 14:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 14:15:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 14:14:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 14:14:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:14:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2097 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 Subject: Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Absolutely right Amy. I think that those who tout IBOC may be in for a few surprises yet. But this is their first day at school. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > *BZZZZZ!* Wrong answer! > > Yes, we DO know AM is an analogue format. We don't question that. > However, even digital is just as affected as analogue from > interference, and the claim on "noise free" is really only after the > conversion back to analogue for the audio chain. But the digital is > still affected. If it weren't, it wouldn't need the rediculously long > 8+ second buffer delay to account for error correction and loss of > signal. > > And yes, it's digital- Just as digital, in all honesty as early > digital telephone transmission in the 1940s and 1950s, which was not > in the least anything resembling high fidelity at the time. > > To send ANYTHING in the MW band, you need a rather low bitrate with a > corresponding low sample rate. Let's face it- Where it tries to > accomodate for this by using a compression algorhythm, it's one > that's not up to the task of Ogg Vorbis, MP3Pro or RealPlayer 8+, > formats that do in fact deliver at reasonable rates. However, there > is no system that's perfect- Even uncompressed digital set to twice > the sample & bit rates (such as for uncompressed DVD audio) isn't > perfect. > > Nothing is. > > But analogue AM, whether mono or stereo, delivers sound without > delays, and remains clear and intelligeable, EVEN WITH INTERFERENCE, > and does so without CAUSING interference to others, nor without > compromising its sound quality. > > I can't say the same for IBOC. > > Drankly, I can't see how any station could ever justify the > expenditure, or why do it at all. Yes, things like this should be > tested and experimented, and meet rigorous criteria that serve the > public interest without compromise. > > And I feel we all have been compromised. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (Radio must serve the community- We, the consumers, are not, with the > way things are now.) From dougharding@bellsouth.net Wed Oct 06 09:31:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19077 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 16:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 16:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 16:31:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 16:31:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 16:31:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:31:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 973 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.100 Subject: There's always the Sat button X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I stopped listening to AM radio in my car back in 2001 when I bought a Mitsubshi which had telephone quality AM. Now that I have a new 2004 FORD I am once again enjoying HI FI audio on WIOD and WKAT AM. Attention Clear Channel and others, there is also a SAT button on my radio next to the AM FM button. When I bought my new car two weeks ago Sirrus made me a offer I could not refuse. The radio came Sirrus ready and all I had to do was activate it. For $499 I got a lifetime subscription to Sirrus. After reading all the post here about Clear Channel and others I am glad I subscribed to Sirrus. Now if WIOD or WKAT decide to go HD or just to go 5khz anyway I will just reach over and hit the SAT button and forget all about them. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > Absolutely right Amy. I think that those who tout IBOC may be in for > a few surprises yet. But this is their first day at school. > > Jerry WA2FNQ From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Oct 06 10:21:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43850 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 17:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 17:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 17:21:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 17:20:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 17:20:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:20:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 731 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: There's always the Sat button X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > two weeks ago Sirrus made me a offer I could not refuse. The radio > came Sirrus ready and all I had to do was activate it. For $499 I got > a lifetime subscription to Sirrus. After reading all the post here > about Clear Channel and others I am glad I subscribed to Sirrus. Now > if WIOD or WKAT decide to go HD or just to go 5khz anyway I will just > reach over and hit the SAT button and forget all about them. I will probably be subscribing to XM if Radio Disney goes mono, or worse yet IBOC. No way I will subscribe to Sirius, though. They will be carrying Howard Stern and there is no way I will pay to support that creep, after he made comments about the sexual characteristics of Columbine shooting victims. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Oct 06 12:36:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49424 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 19:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 19:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 19:36:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 19:35:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 19:35:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:35:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Littlejohn? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Has anyone received a response from Jeff Littlejohn? I haven't. Just curious... From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Oct 06 14:23:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83685 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 21:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 21:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 21:23:35 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.238]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:23:32 -0600 Message-ID: <001701c4abeb$4dc16240$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:27:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2004 21:23:33.0355 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBBBA3B0:01C4ABEA] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WGY now in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Wonder why they listed your name as being one of the presenters, then? Must have been confusion over that Power Point presentation. Bummer. I was hoping to finally meet you but can certainly understand. I have met Mr. Laird. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" > Unfortunately, since our company is based in Connecticut, I am being > sent to the Connecticut Broadcaster's Association show in Farmington, > CT and will not be attending Madison. > > I don't know if there will be live demos, but I know that Andy Laird > from WTMJ will be there, and I'm sending a short power point > presentation along with audio samples. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Oct 06 14:24:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6610 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 21:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 21:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 21:23:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 21:23:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 21:23:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:23:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 106 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.23.212 Subject: OT: Has the Ripflash Trio been discontinued ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan The links to this are not available on the pogo products site now I noticed, is it no longer available ? From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Oct 06 14:34:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67535 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 21:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 21:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 21:34:21 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.179.22]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.2.315.0) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:41:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c4abec$30191c00$16b30642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:33:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Has the Ripflash Trio been discontinued ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave, I just searched the Pogo site, and it IS gone- a pity, too- one of my favorite MP3 players. Glad I got one while they were around. The only annoyance with mine was the front button was always turning itself on, but I put mine in a case made from a empty cassette box with the tape nibs cut out. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 5:23 PM Subject: {AMSF} OT: Has the Ripflash Trio been discontinued ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougharding@bellsouth.net Wed Oct 06 14:37:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74114 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 21:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 21:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 21:37:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 21:37:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 21:37:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:37:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 872 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.100 Subject: Re: XM vs Sirius X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I used to like Howard Stern years ago but stopped listening to him back in the late 90s. He just got to crude for me however XM has the Opie and Anthony show which is just as bad. The good news is Opie and Anthony are a premium channel and I believe Howard will also be a premium channel when he debuts on Sirius. You do not get them unless you pay extra. I do feel XM has a lot better selection of channels and I have XM at home and did have it as a add on in my last car. My new Ford came with Sirius built in so that is why I chose them over XM. > > I will probably be subscribing to XM if Radio Disney goes mono, or > worse yet IBOC. No way I will subscribe to Sirius, though. They > will be carrying Howard Stern and there is no way I will pay to > support that creep, after he made comments about the sexual > characteristics of Columbine shooting victims. From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Oct 06 15:04:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79933 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 22:04:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 22:04:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 22:04:20 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.238]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:04:18 -0600 Message-ID: <008b01c4abf0$ff8dcb80$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:08:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2004 22:04:18.0828 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D5934C0:01C4ABF0] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Narrowband 5khz audio on AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Don't see why you couldn't. Probably have to take the audio from the headphone jack through a pad for recording. Nobody is running HD around here, AM or FM (though I suspect that could change with the CC push) so I can't participate in your proposed experiment as of yet. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Carter" > > I also am wondering if you can hear the IBOC self-jamming effect on > inexpensive radios in your home? If so, can you record off of them? From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Oct 06 15:06:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17339 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 22:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 22:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 22:06:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 22:06:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 22:06:51 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1379 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 08:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 08:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 08:54:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 08:53:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 08:53:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:53:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 738 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.136 Subject: My AM stereo birthday wishlist X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 06 Oct 2004 22:06:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 Well, since my birthday is coming up on Oct. 10 (oo-ee, an aging mouse!), I thought I'd post my AM stereo wishlist, even though I certainly don't expect any of it, not even in 4 days' time! So... An AM stereo exciter A mod monitor to go with it If necessary, a low-power transmitter that could work with the exciter An audio processor suitable for AM stereo A small mixing board- Nothing fancy An RCA 77 series mic, or at least a reasonable repro/knock-off An SWR & antenna tuner, as well as a suitable Part-15-type antenna And finally...... Some way to afford all of these on a very fixed income! Oh, well-- I can dream, can't I? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (And apologies for typos in my recent posts. Mice don't see that well, you know.) From krichards@wor710.com Wed Oct 06 15:10:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28960 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 22:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 22:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 22:10:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 22:09:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 22:09:28 -0000 X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63867 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 13:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 13:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 13:17:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 13:16:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2004 13:16:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:16:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2900 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 06 Oct 2004 22:09:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 It's the same ole' rant.....but here in NYC there are areas and I mean large areas where IBOC works and analog doe not. You say clear and intelligible, and I ask you where? Try telling that to the average listener complaint, it is not true. AM Radio is noisy. There is no easy way to correct this, HD Radio solves this problem. What's the big deal about the delay? Nonsense. How much broadcast audio in this day and age is delay free? Because of profanity problems some stations now operate with up to a minute delay. Here at WOR our audio is delayed with profanity delay only 16 seconds, modest by some of our competitor's standards. Why the hysteria about a measily 8 second delay in the first place? One of our competitor's also uses the CASH system to time compress programming on top of the profanity delay, that audio is not live on air either, it could be minutes behind real time. Then the complaints, most AM listener complaints we get are about noisy pops, clicks and other interference. I know because I get the complaints. We never get complaints that the audio might be delayed, there is no stereo, or wideband audio. This is the reality of the situation, what the public accepts and wants to hear is the real question, not what you and others imagine they want. More HD stations are coming on line each month, and as there are stations turning on the HD more will now be restricting their bandwidth. Why? Because it makes sense, and will only help a difficult situation get better and make the band more listener friendly. But you cannot see the reasoning for the expenditure? That's ignorance of the state of the art and the conditions of the marketplace. You and others here are clearly in the Minority, and when the bandwidth of the those stations now wideband is reduced either by choice or by IBOC installation the use of new HD radios will increase as they proliferate the marketplace. Visteon and other major players in the Auto Radio market have embraced HD radio, not any other new format why? It is merely a matter of time now. No matter what you think or desire. Kerry > But analogue AM, whether mono or stereo, delivers sound without > delays, and remains clear and intelligeable, EVEN WITH INTERFERENCE, > and does so without CAUSING interference to others, nor without > compromising its sound quality. > > I can't say the same for IBOC. > > Drankly, I can't see how any station could ever justify the > expenditure, or why do it at all. Yes, things like this should be > tested and experimented, and meet rigorous criteria that serve the > public interest without compromise. > > And I feel we all have been compromised. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (Radio must serve the community- We, the consumers, are not, with the > way things are now.) From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Oct 06 15:12:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61438 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 22:12:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 22:12:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 22:12:03 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.238]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:12:01 -0600 Message-ID: <009301c4abf2$13d3cee0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:16:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2004 22:12:02.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[8199B9E0:01C4ABF1] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I can vouch for this. I located an old proof sheet for WTCN's old Western Electric standby transmitter done in the early 60s. The proof actually went up to 7.5 or 8k or so. BTW, the station was later owned by Buckley (as WWTC) for a few years. Even have a copy of a letter with Mr. B's signature on it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" > Something else to think about that no one else has brought up. Before > the FCC did things like delete the sections of the rules pertaining to > station performance, AM stations were only required to pass up to > 5kHz. There were specifications in the rules for frequency response > and distortion above 5kHz, but the AM station was only required to > proof and pass up to 5kHz. Something to consider. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Oct 06 15:40:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17121 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 22:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 22:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52409.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.117) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 22:40:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20041006224028.65558.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.67] by web52409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:40:28 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:40:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.117 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} My AM stereo birthday wishlist X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Amy Mousie wrote: > Well, since my birthday is coming up on Oct. 10 > (oo-ee, an aging > mouse!), I thought I'd post my AM stereo wishlist, > even though I > certainly don't expect any of it, not even in 4 > days' time! Mine's today. > So... > > An AM stereo exciter > A mod monitor to go with it > If necessary, a low-power transmitter that could > work with the exciter > An audio processor suitable for AM stereo > A small mixing board- Nothing fancy > An RCA 77 series mic, or at least a reasonable > repro/knock-off > An SWR & antenna tuner, as well as a suitable > Part-15-type antenna > > And finally...... > > Some way to afford all of these on a very fixed > income! > > Oh, well-- I can dream, can't I? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (And apologies for typos in my recent posts. Mice > don't see that > well, you know.) Except whne kitties come a runnin' Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Oct 06 15:50:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56666 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 22:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 22:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.241.30) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 22:50:20 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.5.10.101]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20041006225018.JINS21535.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:50:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:50:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1E6E7A28-17EA-11D9-A0EB-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.30 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Littlejohn? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I did, asking how I knew he made the decision and what radios I use. No=20 response after that, but the first came within a day. Richard Wagoner On Wednesday, October 6, 2004, at 12:35 PM, Douglas wrote: > > Has anyone received a response from Jeff Littlejohn? > > I haven't.=A0 Just curious... > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Oct 06 15:54:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85029 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 22:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 22:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 22:54:34 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.5.10.101]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20041006225432.JRZJ10826.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:54:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:54:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.35 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: XM vs Sirius X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Opie and Anthony as a premium channel? Wow. You'd think they'd pay ME=20 to hear them, even though I would never take the job ... On Wednesday, October 6, 2004, at 02:37 PM, douglasharding wrote: > > I used to like Howard Stern years ago but stopped listening to him > back in the late 90s. He just got to crude for me however XM has the > Opie and Anthony show which is just as bad. The good news is Opie and > Anthony are a premium channel and I believe Howard will also be a > premium channel when he debuts on Sirius. You do not get them unless > you pay extra. > > I do feel XM has a lot better selection of channels and I have XM at > home and did have it as a add on in my last car. My new Ford came with > Sirius built in so that is why I chose them over XM. > > > > I will probably be subscribing to XM if Radio Disney goes mono, or > > worse yet IBOC.=A0 No way I will subscribe to Sirius, though.=A0 They > > will be carrying Howard Stern and there is no way I will pay to > > support that creep, after he made comments about the sexual > > characteristics of Columbine shooting victims. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Oct 06 19:45:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53375 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2004 02:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2004 02:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2004 02:45:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2004 02:45:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2004 02:45:04 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45529 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2004 01:43:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2004 01:43:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2004 01:43:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2004 01:43:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2004 01:43:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 01:43:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041006224028.65558.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 314 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.136 Subject: Re: {AMSF} My AM stereo birthday wishlist X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 07 Oct 2004 02:45:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > Mine's today. Happy birthday, Powell! > > (And apologies for typos in my recent posts. Mice > > don't see that > > well, you know.) > > Except whne kitties come a runnin' That's why we have big ears. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Oct 06 20:13:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18624 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2004 03:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2004 03:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52404.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.112) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2004 03:13:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20041007031301.21462.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.98] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:13:01 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:13:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.112 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} My AM stereo birthday wishlist X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > Mine's today. > > Happy birthday, Powell! An antique 58 today! > > > (And apologies for typos in my recent posts. > Mice > > > don't see that > > > well, you know.) > > > > Except when kitties come a runnin' > > That's why we have big ears. :) > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ LOL! I have a loud Alfredo Lite. I also have a CRL AM stereo processor. Now I need to hook things up to an antenna. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Wed Oct 06 20:23:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27861 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2004 03:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2004 03:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.189) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2004 03:22:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:22:00 -0700 Received: from 65.41.84.177 by bay22-dav9.bay22.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 03:21:36 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: <20041007031301.21462.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:15:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2004 03:22:00.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF358730:01C4AC1C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.189 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.41.84.177] Subject: Re: {AMSF} My AM stereo birthday wishlist X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Same here. Complete CRL Processor rack Stereo prep processor 2) Spectral energy processor 1) Left 1) Right, AM Stereo Matrix Processor and a Alfredo Lite. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:13 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} My AM stereo birthday wishlist > > > --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > > III W4OPW" > > wrote: > > > > > Mine's today. > > > > Happy birthday, Powell! > > > An antique 58 today! > > > > > > (And apologies for typos in my recent posts. > > Mice > > > > don't see that > > > > well, you know.) > > > > > > Except when kitties come a runnin' > > > > That's why we have big ears. :) > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > LOL! I have a loud Alfredo Lite. I also have a CRL AM > stereo processor. Now I need to hook things up to an > antenna. > > > > Powell > > > > ===== > powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Oct 06 21:57:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74925 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2004 04:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2004 04:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2004 04:57:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2004 04:54:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2004 04:54:43 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17670 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2004 03:49:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2004 03:49:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2004 03:49:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2004 03:49:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2004 03:49:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 03:49:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 243 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.136 Subject: Re: {AMSF} My AM stereo birthday wishlist X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 07 Oct 2004 04:54:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > AM Stereo Matrix Processor Oooh, yes- I think anyone serious about AMS should have one. Including me. :) I'd love to have one.... :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Oct 07 06:35:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26212 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2004 13:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2004 13:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2004 13:35:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2004 13:33:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2004 13:33:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:33:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2890 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > You and others here are clearly in the Minority, and when the > bandwidth of the those stations now wideband is reduced either by > choice or by IBOC installation the use of new HD radios will increase > as they proliferate the marketplace. No - YOU are in the minority. There are only 40 million people or so living in the New York City area, vs. 260 million in the rest of the country. I suspect that the problems you mention are only in the central part of the city with all the tall buildings, so that would make the percentage of people helped by IBOC much smaller. I am glad IBOC solves reception problems in NYC - the station glut there is enormous. I travel there on business from time to time. All those stations, not one I cared to listen to either. But outside of the central part of the city, down in Long Island, across in Jersey, up in CT, and north of the city - I had no noise problems at all. Just a car radio filled end to end with stations on just about every available frequency. I feel sad for the suburb listeners when IBOC comes on line on AM - right now they have a station on just about every AM frequency. When digital starts, there goes half to 2/3 of the stations. I found it very useful to listen to NYC traffic reports when I was coming in from a side trip to Boston. Instead of sitting for hours in traffic, I waited the mess out in a comfortable rest stop. I saw a lot of other archaic DX listeners doing the same thing. Certainly the ability to receive AM stations 100 plus miles away means nothing to all those travellers who need information from the city they are approaching. Digital trash from closer stations serves their needs much more than useful traffic reports. In the rest of the country, there are very few places with a crowded AM band like NYC. That will help implementation of IBOC, because there may be room for the extremely wide footprint of the station. But it will also hurt, because distances between cities becomes very great, and a constant background buzz saw interference from countless IBOC stations will be very unwelcome at night. A talk station in a city wants to go digital so their commercials will sound better, and people hundreds of miles away will pay the price. That sounds really fair to me. The miniscule increase in profits because the commercials are in digital stereo is well worth the cutoff of news and entertainment to lonely truckers hauling loads in the middle of the night - helping to keep our economy on track. Maybe the buzz saw effect will keep them awake. Maybe it will irritate them and they will be a more aggressive driver. But wait- New Yorkers, who all know are the center of the earth, are getting digital AM. That has to be a higher priority. The needs of the rest of the country must be put aside for the important New Yorkers. From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Oct 07 06:37:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68875 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2004 13:37:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2004 13:37:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2004 13:37:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2004 13:36:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2004 13:36:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:36:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 273 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: {AMSF} Re: XM vs Sirius X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter If I paid for Opie and Anthony, or Howard Stern, I should also pay for somebody to come into my home and throw up all over my rug, or haul a load of manure in, or spill raw sewage. Word vomit. That is all those folks are. I wouldn't even listen to them in AM stereo. From dougharding@bellsouth.net Thu Oct 07 08:10:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37611 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2004 15:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2004 15:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2004 15:10:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2004 15:09:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2004 15:09:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:09:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2546 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.100 Subject: Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Well I am ready here in Miami. As soon as WIOD and WKAT turn on the HD and switch from wonderful 10khz audio to 5khz I will reach over and push the SAT button on my radio and never go back. HD will be the final nail in the coffin for AM. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > > It's the same ole' rant.....but here in NYC there are areas and I > mean large areas where IBOC works and analog doe not. You say clear > and intelligible, and I ask you where? Try telling that to the > average listener complaint, it is not true. AM Radio is noisy. > > There is no easy way to correct this, HD Radio solves this problem. > > What's the big deal about the delay? Nonsense. > > How much broadcast audio in this day and age is delay free? Because > of profanity problems some stations now operate with up to a minute > delay. Here at WOR our audio is delayed with profanity delay only 16 > seconds, modest by some of our competitor's standards. Why the > hysteria about a measily 8 second delay in the first place? > > One of our competitor's also uses the CASH system to time compress > programming on top of the profanity delay, that audio is not live on > air either, it could be minutes behind real time. > > Then the complaints, most AM listener complaints we get are about > noisy pops, clicks and other interference. I know because I get the > complaints. We never get complaints that the audio might be delayed, > there is no stereo, or wideband audio. This is the reality of the > situation, what the public accepts and wants to hear is the real > question, not what you and others imagine they want. > > More HD stations are coming on line each month, and as there are > stations turning on the HD more will now be restricting their > bandwidth. Why? > > Because it makes sense, and will only help a difficult situation get > better and make the band more listener friendly. But you cannot see > the reasoning for the expenditure? That's ignorance of the state of > the art and the conditions of the marketplace. > > You and others here are clearly in the Minority, and when the > bandwidth of the those stations now wideband is reduced either by > choice or by IBOC installation the use of new HD radios will increase > as they proliferate the marketplace. > > Visteon and other major players in the Auto Radio market have > embraced HD radio, not any other new format why? > > It is merely a matter of time now. No matter what you think or desire. > > > Kerry From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Oct 07 08:59:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37716 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2004 15:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2004 15:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2004 15:59:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2004 15:58:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2004 15:58:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:58:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1178 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: The hypocrisy of 5 kHz NRSC/for Kerry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Bruce is right in pointing out that your listening environment in certain parts of Manhattan should not dictate broadcast methods for the rest of the country. Why can't you see this? Are you so hard-headed that all of this legitimate feedback from other listening environments means NOTHING? I was an Aerospace Engineering major for a year before switching to Broadcast Journalism, and my experience with engineering-types (and hard science majors in general) is that they pride themselves on following the evidence wherever it takes them. In fact, they feel a professional obligation to do this. So why the blinders, Kerry? Just because it's cold in NY, you're not going to pass a law that says we have to wear heavy coats on 70-degree December days in Texas--but that would certainly be consistent with your views on IBOC. I think that several of the members of this board have been sympathetic to the unique listening needs of NYC. And, if you can convince New Yorkers that their listening experience is so bad that it justifies the purchasing of new, expensive radios, then more power to you. But I don't think that's going to fly in most other markets. From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Oct 07 11:26:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95276 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2004 18:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2004 18:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2004 18:26:04 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-216-220.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.216.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i97IPqGi042162 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:25:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001901c4ac9b$145946c0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:25:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> Kerry wrote: >> You and others here are clearly in the Minority, and when the >> bandwidth of the those stations now wideband is reduced either by >> choice or by IBOC installation the use of new HD radios will increase >> as they proliferate the marketplace. You say that the people on this forum are 'clearly in the minority'? Where have you been hiding? You must live in your own little world, taken in by the technology, regardless of the outcome. You & Tom are a part of a very small minority supporting IBOC on the AM band. Is the AMSF the only group you read? I'll bet it is because you think you can bamboozle this group of die hard individuals. Check out some other groups like rec.radio.broadcasting, alt.radio.broadcasting and trade sites like All Access and Radio & Records. The postings of nearly every radio-related group in the world are at the very least, 75% opposed to IBOC on the AM band. If you get frequent calls from listeners complaining about pops, clicks and other interference in your city-grade contour, you may want to spend your time upgrading your plant to eliminate these complaints rather than posting here. A 50,000 watt station on a clear channel, especially a lower band frequency like 710 KHz, should have no trouble being clearly heard within your city grade contour. I've driven in Chicago and WLS and WGN don't have problems with interference in their city grade contour. It's been a while but I have also driven in NYC listening to WABC, WCBS and WINS and they all cover the city with no pops, clicks or other interference. I must admit that I didn't listen to WOR (from the looks of the Arbitron, nobody else did either), but if your plant is that bad, why don't you fix it before going off on this IBOC tangent. You guys have sold your common sense out to Ibiquity. Does the SBE embrace IBOC yet? The fact that Clear Channel and other groups have 'come on board' doesn't change the fact that it is flawed. Once the newness and hype wears off and you are forced to actually deal with the flaws and try to live with a reduced coverage area, it will be too late to change your mind. I know that IBOC is here to stay, but it will kill the AM band, not help it. Besides, nobody is listening to WOR now.. What makes you think that they will pay hundreds of dollars to receive what they are not listening too (I know, you cume more than my local daytimer but keeping that in perspective, WOR is in 19th place in the NYC Metro 12+). >> >> Visteon and other major players in the Auto Radio market have >> embraced HD radio, not any other new format why? Because there are no alternatives in the US. Nearly every other country nixed IBOC and went with Eureka's digital broadcasting system. This time I agree with Canada's choice. The interesting thing is, what will happen to Canadian Clear Channels when they start getting interference from adjacent channel stations broadcasting in IBOC? Canada has already made it will known that they will NOT allow the US to violate North American broadcasting agreements Canada's sparse population depends on those 50,000 stations. I know WOR only cares about serving NYC and could care less about DX'ing, but there's more to it than the US. Canada and Mexico must live with our decisions too. I guess that means WMVP in Chicago can't switch to IBOC because they will interfere with CFRB, right? Your fellow IBOC'ite Tom Ray posted here a couple of months ago that Mexico was "getting ready for IBOC". It took me all of 5 minutes to see that he totally fabricated that statement. All research I could find indicates Mexico is currently testing Eureka and has no plans to test or implement IBOC. That means all of those Mexican Clear Channels will be subjected to IBOC interference. Canada has stated they will take action. Mexico is next (IMHO). From kya1260@lycos.com Thu Oct 07 12:47:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18998 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2004 19:47:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2004 19:47:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2004 19:47:12 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id D89EE1801D10 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 19:46:48 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 7 Oct 2004 19:46:45 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 69A80C6135; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 19:46:45 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [69.111.133.47] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:46:45 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amymousie@yahoo.com, w4opw@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:46:45 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20041007194645.69A80C6135@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Jay Arnold" X-Originating-IP: 69.111.133.47 Subject: Re: {AMSF} My AM stereo birthday wishlist X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Happy birthday, both of ya! (belated and forthcoming, where applicable) :o) My birthday (43) was 9/26, about the time KABL 960 killed its AMS. Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh! My birthday wish (for eons) has been to get a network of stations at 1230 KC (or some other Class IV frequency) and give AM Stereo its due. Wouldn't cost much money to promote and educate listeners, either, but what do I know? Sincerely, --Jay KVON AM Stereo 1440 and Morning Guy, KVYN 99.3 MC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:13:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} My AM stereo birthday wishlist > > --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > > III W4OPW" > > wrote: > > > > > Mine's today. > > > > Happy birthday, Powell! > > > An antique 58 today! > > > > > > (And apologies for typos in my recent posts. > > Mice > > > > don't see that > > > > well, you know.) > > > > > > Except when kitties come a runnin' > > > > That's why we have big ears. :) > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > LOL! I have a loud Alfredo Lite. I also have a CRL AM > stereo processor. Now I need to hook things up to an > antenna. > > > > Powell > > > > ===== > powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Oct 07 15:30:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79452 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2004 22:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2004 22:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao08.cox.net) (68.230.241.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2004 22:30:02 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.5.10.101]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20041007223000.JXBK17339.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:30:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:30:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <79059595-18B0-11D9-A5E6-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.31 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} The hypocrisy of 5 kHz NRSC/for Kerry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Except ... AM listening is vastly unpopular, and unfortunately AMAX=20 certification didn't do much to reverse the trend. I am not (presently)=20 a fan of IBOC, but most people would probably agree that it does indeed=20 sound better than most current radios. Is it as good as analog at it's=20 best? Probably not, and probably never will be . Is it better than most=20 current radios? Yes. I am just afraid that the interference will prevent IBOC from actually=20 working as a long term solution. I am not an engineer, however. Richard On Thursday, October 7, 2004, at 08:58 AM, Douglas wrote: > > Bruce is right in pointing out that your listening environment in=20 > certain parts of > Manhattan should not dictate broadcast methods for the rest of the=20 > country. > > Why can't you see this?=A0 Are you so hard-headed that all of this=20 > legitimate feedback > from other listening environments means NOTHING? > > I was an Aerospace Engineering major for a year before switching to=20 > Broadcast > Journalism, and my experience with engineering-types (and hard science=20 > majors in > general) is that they pride themselves on following the evidence=20 > wherever it takes > them.=A0 In fact, they feel a professional obligation to do this.=A0 So=20 > why the blinders, > Kerry?=A0 Just because it's cold in NY, you're not going to pass a law=20 > that says we have > to wear heavy coats on 70-degree December days in Texas--but that=20 > would certainly > be consistent with your views on IBOC. > > I think that several of the members of this board have been=20 > sympathetic to the unique > listening needs of NYC.=A0 And, if you can convince New Yorkers that=20 > their listening > experience is so bad that it justifies the purchasing of new,=20 > expensive radios, then > more power to you.=A0 But I don't think that's going to fly in most=20 > other markets. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Oct 08 06:39:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30465 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2004 13:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2004 13:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2004 13:39:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2004 13:38:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2004 13:38:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:37:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 688 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: More 5 kHz hyporcrisy --- X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter It dawned on me that for IBOC to work at all - the radio MUST be wide band. The hybrid mode digital stuff is from 5 to 10 kHz, and I think there is secondary stuff from 10 to 15 kHz. So IBOC radios must have a bandwidth of 30 kHz! They will have that bandwidth whether or not the station to which they are listening is IBOC. Which means that every station that limits their audio to 5 or 6 kHz will sound terrible on those radios compared to stations with a good analog signal train. It looks to me that Jeff Littlejohn figured this out, and wants to make sure that good analog stations don't sound better than IBOC stations on IBOC radios! Can somebody say "conspiracy"?! From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Oct 08 11:31:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64153 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2004 18:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2004 18:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2004 18:31:17 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-216-220.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.216.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i98IVFxQ001911 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:31:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001f01c4ad64$ff54d120$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:31:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} More 5 kHz hyporcrisy --- X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > It dawned on me that for IBOC to work at all - the radio MUST be > wide band. The hybrid mode digital stuff is from 5 to 10 kHz, and I > think there is secondary stuff from 10 to 15 kHz. So IBOC radios > must have a bandwidth of 30 kHz! They will have that bandwidth > whether or not the station to which they are listening is IBOC. > Which means that every station that limits their audio to 5 or 6 kHz > will sound terrible on those radios compared to stations with a good > analog signal train. > > It looks to me that Jeff Littlejohn figured this out, and wants to > make sure that good analog stations don't sound better than IBOC > stations on IBOC radios! Can somebody say "conspiracy"?! It would be my guess that when you blend back to analog, or are listening to an analog station, your radio will also go into narrow mode. Another thought...I would imagine that most AM stations won't be going digital any time soon. With the exceptions of major market AM's and strong medium market AMs, the vast majority of them aren't billing enough to justify the expense of going digital. And, most small market AM's are losing money, subsidized by their FM signal. From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Oct 08 14:21:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27097 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2004 21:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2004 21:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2004 21:21:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2004 21:21:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2004 21:21:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 21:21:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c4ad64$ff54d120$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1003 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: {AMSF} More 5 kHz hyporcrisy --- X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > It would be my guess that when you blend back to analog, or are listening to > an analog station, your radio will also go into narrow mode. It better! But some radios may not bother having a narrow mode in the name of cost reduction. I can get 30 kHz or more of bandwidth with a single cheap ceramic filter IF. Reducing that to 10 requires some care in IF design. And most radio manufacturers these days don't care. > Another thought...I would imagine that most AM stations won't be going > digital any time soon. With the exceptions of major market AM's and strong > medium market AMs, the vast majority of them aren't billing enough to > justify the expense of going digital. But a lot of them have really good audio chains, and sound great as they are. I imagine they will not take kindly to Jeff Littlejohn's interference in their business. > And, most small market AM's are > losing money, subsidized by their FM signal. If they own an FM. There are a lot that don't. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Oct 08 19:56:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64433 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2004 02:56:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2004 02:56:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2004 02:56:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2004 02:56:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2004 02:56:48 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2146 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2004 08:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2004 08:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2004 08:40:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2004 08:40:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2004 08:40:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:40:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 161 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.200 Subject: Radio talk show hosts... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 09 Oct 2004 02:56:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 Today's Frank & Ernest comic strip features something we all could relate to.... http://tinyurl.com/5hque Also.... http://tinyurl.com/5wdbv Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From redledge78@yahoo.com Sat Oct 09 15:35:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: redledge78@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7975 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2004 22:35:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2004 22:35:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2004 22:35:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2004 22:35:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2004 22:35:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 22:35:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 253 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "redledge78" X-Originating-IP: 207.69.137.137 Subject: Re: Radio talk show hosts... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59652447 X-Yahoo-Profile: redledge78 That would spell the end of Airhead America.... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > Today's Frank & Ernest comic strip features something we all could > relate to.... > > http://tinyurl.com/5hque > From redledge78@yahoo.com Sat Oct 09 15:41:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: redledge78@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94841 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2004 22:41:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2004 22:41:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2004 22:41:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2004 22:41:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2004 22:41:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 22:41:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 301 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "redledge78" X-Originating-IP: 207.69.137.137 Subject: Of All The Things... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59652447 X-Yahoo-Profile: redledge78 All these years I never suspected that we'd "solve" AM's fidelity problems by shrinking the bandwidth on the broadcast end instead of having the FCC use its head and mandate AMAX standards for AM receivers, radios and tuners...especially on the manufacturing end. Common sense isn't too common. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Oct 09 18:08:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77065 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2004 01:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2004 01:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2004 01:08:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2004 01:07:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2004 01:07:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 01:07:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1253 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.132 Subject: Re: Of All The Things... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > All these years I never suspected that we'd "solve" AM's fidelity > problems by shrinking the bandwidth on the broadcast end instead of > having the FCC use its head and mandate AMAX standards for AM > receivers, radios and tuners...especially on the manufacturing end. > > Common sense isn't too common. To me, this whole fiasco is similar to how the government aims to reduce the number of deaths caused by car crashes by ladening new vehicles with more and more safety equipment (the latest of which is mandatory tire pressure monitors), thus running up the cost of new cars for everyone, rather than by promoting advanced driver training so that people can learn how to avoid a crash in the first place. This is a self-defeating solution, because people buy a new car and then think "I have airbags, ABS, AWD, and traction control to protect me, so I don't need to drive carefully anymore". Basically, it's the wrong solution to the right problem. And of course in our case, it doesn't help that the FCC thinks its rulings have the ability to change the laws of physics. I'm just waiting for them to declare that "skywave propagation is obsolete, therefore use of the ionosphere by radio signals will henceforth be banned". From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Oct 09 21:14:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39296 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2004 04:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2004 04:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2004 04:14:08 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.5.10.101]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20041010041406.SAYY27792.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:14:06 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:14:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.29 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Of All The Things... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have checked KLAC and KFI on a few radios now. KLAC sounds horrid,=20 unlistenable on anything even halfway decent; including even my Marantz=20 2215B, which does not have that wide of a bandwidth. The station is=20 also MUCH harder to tune on a "regular" tuner, as the signal comes and=20 goes too quickly as you tune across the band. KFI has the same sound=20 problem, only on the decent radios you can not rid the signal of hash.=20 The only radios that sound OK with both those stations are those that=20 sound lousy on AM anyway, such as my Delco radio in my Silverado, and=20 radios such as that sound bad enough that I rarely listen to AM on them=20 in the first place. So, Clear Channel's move to limit bandwidth benefits no one and drives=20 away listeners. Smart move. I plugged my Fisher receiver in for the first time in years: just as I=20 remember, most AM stations sound sweet. Clear Channel's stations sound=20 awful. All of them. My talk listening may switch to KABC.=20 Interestingly, even KNX sounded much better than CC's stations. Are=20 they not limiting bandwidth as much as most "soon to be IBOC" stations? If CC is the future of AM, then they better hope IBOC catches on FAST.=20 No one will listen otherwise. I myself will probably pick up Sirius in=20 the not too distant future (CC has no investment in Sirius). Richard On Saturday, October 9, 2004, at 03:41 PM, redledge78 wrote: > > All these years I never suspected that we'd "solve" AM's fidelity > problems by shrinking the bandwidth on the broadcast end instead of > having the FCC use its head and mandate AMAX standards for AM > receivers, radios and tuners...especially on the manufacturing end.=A0 > > Common sense isn't too common. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Oct 09 21:34:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3253 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2004 04:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2004 04:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2004 04:34:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2004 04:34:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2004 04:34:56 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42015 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2004 01:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2004 01:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2004 01:32:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2004 01:32:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2004 01:32:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 01:32:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 159 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.109 Subject: Re: Of All The Things... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Oct 2004 04:34:54 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "redledge78" wrote: > > Common sense isn't too common. Not when money is involved. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pd@96wnjo.com Sun Oct 10 07:57:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pd@96wnjo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92789 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2004 14:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2004 14:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2004 14:57:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2004 14:57:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2004 14:57:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:57:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1602 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "wnjo960" X-Originating-IP: 67.83.113.165 Subject: Re: Of All The Things... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159836599 X-Yahoo-Profile: wnjo960 > To me, this whole fiasco is similar to how the government aims to > reduce the number of deaths caused by car crashes by ladening new > vehicles with more and more safety equipment (the latest of which >is mandatory tire pressure monitors), thus running up the cost of >new cars for everyone, rather than by promoting advanced driver >training so that people can learn how to avoid a crash in the first >place. This is a self-defeating solution, because people buy a new >car and then think "I have airbags, ABS, AWD, and traction control >to protect me, so I don't need to drive carefully anymore". The car I own (cant drive it, but I own it), has no ABS, no traction control, and no airbags(84 Cadillac Sedan deVille, AM/FM/CB cassette that allways picks up KB 1520). How did people live without all that saftey equipment? The FCC needs to weed out allot of the junk signals that crowd the band, especially at night. That solves most of the problem. Next, is getting the power companies and electronics manufactures to get their act togeather when it comes to AM interference (I am on my schools butt about the fact that FM reception is zilch in the majority of the school). > Basically, it's the wrong solution to the right problem. And of > course in our case, it doesn't help that the FCC thinks its rulings > have the ability to change the laws of physics. I'm just waiting >for them to declare that "skywave propagation is obsolete, >therefore use of the ionosphere by radio signals will henceforth be >banned". Remember, this is the government. Anything is possible. From tomray@wor710.com Sun Oct 10 18:39:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84017 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2004 01:39:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2004 01:39:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2004 01:39:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2004 01:39:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2004 01:39:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:39:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001901c4ac9b$145946c0$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4977 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > You & Tom are a part of a very small minority supporting IBOC on the AM > band. Well, Jim, you may want to tell this to the thousands who attended the NAB Radio show last week....and the several hundred I spoke to about conversion to AM IBOC. The "minority" isn't as small as you would like to think it is. > If you get frequent calls from listeners complaining about pops, clicks and > other interference in your city-grade contour, you may want to spend your > time upgrading your plant to eliminate these complaints rather than posting > here. Maybe before making a statement such as this, you should get your facts straight. WOR's site was new, except for the ground system, in 1997...and the antenna still proofs out to 97% of the efficiency it had when the antenna system was new in 1967. We are presently building an entirely new facility, and we will end up with the same signal problems that were described here. > A 50,000 watt station on a clear channel, especially a lower band frequency > like 710 KHz, should have no trouble being clearly heard within your city > grade contour. > I've driven in Chicago and WLS and WGN don't have problems with interference > in their city grade contour. Maybe in a fantasy world that you would like to live in, but not in the real world. The NYC Metro area isn't Chicago.....it's much more congested building wise. All AM stations in NYC have problems....doesn't matter who they are. It's been a while but I have also driven in > NYC listening to WABC, WCBS and WINS and they all cover the city with no > pops, clicks or other interference. You admit it's "been a while" since you've been here. It must have been quite a while. I've been in NYC for over 7 years now, and none of the stations you described above have signals with no problems. You might want to talk to their engineers who will tell you exactly what I just did. > You guys have sold your common sense out to Ibiquity. Does the SBE embrace > IBOC yet? As a matter of fact, I am the author of the book on IBOC that SBE is putting out. Yes, the SBE has decided to embrace IBOC - - there is no choice. Our membership is going to have to deal with it, and it is our responsibility to make sure they have the information to do so. >I know > that IBOC is here to stay, but it will kill the AM band, not help it. I think you are wrong. The AM band is dying a slow and painful death. IBOC can only help. > Besides, nobody is listening to WOR now.. What makes you think that they > will pay hundreds of dollars to receive what they are not listening too (I > know, you cume more than my local daytimer but keeping that in perspective, > WOR is in 19th place in the NYC Metro 12+). Tell that to our advertisers who can't buy enough time to sell their products to the people who, according to you, aren't listening. And you can stop your snipes. Kerry did not attack you and there is no call for it. Take a look at WOR's programming and then you will realize that we are formatted more like a television station rather than in the handy dayparts that Arbitron measures. Between 10 and 3, you have, from 10-11, grandmotherly advice, then from 11-noon a food program, from noon-2 Dr. Joy with psychology, from 2-3 Bill O'Reilly. Of course our ratings don't show it. Our audience changes 4 times in that one Arbitron daypart. If television stations were rated in dayparts such as these, no television station or network would have decent numbers, either. Canada has already made it > will known that they will NOT allow the US to violate North American > broadcasting agreements Canada's sparse population depends on those 50,000 > stations. I know WOR only cares about serving NYC and could care less about > DX'ing, but there's more to it than the US. Canada and Mexico must live > with our decisions too. The FCC is already handling the Canadians, and the Mexicans have several IBOC stations on the air, as do several South American countries. > Your fellow IBOC'ite Tom Ray posted here a couple of months ago that Mexico > was "getting ready for IBOC". > It took me all of 5 minutes to see that he totally fabricated that > statement. All research I could find indicates Mexico is currently testing > Eureka and has no plans to test or implement IBOC. If you are going to bring me into this, you had better have your facts straight, because your "research" is faulty. Mexico presently has 3 stations on the air with IBOC....and for your information, I do not fabricate my statements. I do not, and have not, made a false statement in this forum. You and many others, however, cannot say that. > Canada has > stated they will take action. Mexico is next (IMHO). Mexico IS taking action.....by putting IBOC on the air. The Canadians will have no choice but to go with the flow. Tom Ray WOR From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Oct 10 21:45:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44869 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2004 04:45:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2004 04:45:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.241.34) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2004 04:45:25 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.5.10.101]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20041011044523.EEH5019.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:45:23 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:45:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5CD02C86-1B40-11D9-BBBE-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.34 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Tom. I can agree in general with everything but that. Agreements are in place; Canada certainly does not have to accept interference from the US, and they already decided not to go with IBOC. So there IS a major problem to fix here, and it is not Canada's duty to fix it. I imagine that they could actually stop IBOC in its tracks if they were so motivated, and the US would then have to go with the flow. What would the US stations think if Canada caused interference against agreements? Wait, I already know, as Mexico has already done that with new stations ... and the US reaction was SWIFT. After hearing CC's version of analog, they better pray that IBOC catches on FAST. I can't even listen to their AM stations any more, they sound so bad. I still wonder if the whole thing would be better off if analog was just phased out in a year or so, so the digital components could work better in a narrower mask. Seems like distant reception might be do-able again. Richard Wagoner On Sunday, October 10, 2004, at 06:39 PM, Tom Ray wrote: > The Canadians > will have no choice but to go with the flow. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Oct 11 06:59:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83709 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2004 13:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2004 13:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2004 13:59:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2004 13:59:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2004 13:59:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:59:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3698 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > I do not, and have not, made a false > statement in this forum. You and many others, however, cannot say that. With all due respect - I think by repeating the Clear Channel / Ibiquity line about all AM radios being narrow band, you have inadvertantly made a mistake. I think even Ibiquity missed a fact in their testing when they assumed a radio was faulty because it sounded terrible. The lure of cost cutting has affected receiver manufacturers. I have a growing list of cheap radios to moderately priced ones that utilize only a single ceramic filter IF - which makes them wide band. This was not a conscious desire on the part of the receiver manufacturers to make AM audio "better". It is one of the few times when cost cutting has had any sort of good coincidence. You might want to test one of these cheap receivers on your station - What I heard on WSAI, and what others have heard on IBOC stations that are local to them indicates that the sidebands leak into the audio in a very objectionable fashion. And if you take into account that Ford is still putting wide band AM stereo receivers into new models, you have millions of new wide band AM receivers on the street every year. All of which will have sidebands mixing in with audio. How objectionable is it? I will be the first to say that WSAI reception in Dallas is a poor example. The GE Superadio 3, though, has excellent sensitivity and there used to be very little static on 1530. My wife and I would feed its audio out to pool parties. Now that they are testing IBOC - I can and do hear substantial static. It is not typical static, it is not a random sound to my ear. It either is coming from a new source of noise just on 1530, or it is their side bands. I know they are in IBOC, because I can tune 1520 and 1540 and hear the buzz saw effect, which disappeas when I null WSAI. Granted - the buzz saw is legal (but not ethical in my view), and that is not the issue. It is static mixing with the music from 5 to 10 kHz that is a great concern to me. It makes WSAI almost unlistenable on nights that it would otherwise be booming in. I think you owe it to yourself and to your station to check out this self-jamming effect that is caused by the TA2003 IC and its reference design, which seems to be in more and more radios all the time. There are other similar ICs that sometimes do not have an IF ceramic filter at all- relying solely on the LC bandpass filter formed by the ferrite bar antenna and tuning capacitor (all headphone radios seem to fall into that category). At least the TA2003 is a good chip - implemented properly it makes a heck of a radio. My daughter's "Mary Kate and Ashley" boom box has a lot of room inside. With a good ceramic filter scavenged from an old wireless mouse, I was able to tighten up its IF bandwidth from 40 kHz to about 10, with a decent ferrite bar antenna it is pushing GE Superadio sensitivity. So the temptation to use this "one chip AM / FM" IC approach is overwhelming. The days of multiple IF transformers and packed PC boards in radios are finished. One IC, two oscillator coils, an AM ferrite bar, two ceramic filters (one AM, one FM), and a tuning capacitor (or varactors), and your radio is done at a fraction of the cost of the old IF coil approach. Your design is more reliable because it has less parts, it is smaller, is easier on the batteries for portable, and if you really want a quality receiver you can put in a better ferrite bar. Within limits, you can put in a better IF strip. One IC fits all. I bet WOR sounds terrible on cheap radios sold at Walmart, Target, etc. From tomray@wor710.com Mon Oct 11 09:20:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40851 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2004 16:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2004 16:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2004 16:20:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2004 16:19:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2004 16:19:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:19:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 980 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > > I do not, and have not, made a false > > statement in this forum. You and many others, however, cannot say > that. > > With all due respect - I think by repeating the Clear Channel / > Ibiquity line about all AM radios being narrow band, you have > inadvertantly made a mistake. I think even Ibiquity missed a fact > in their testing when they assumed a radio was faulty because it > sounded terrible. I have never stated that all AM radios are narrow band. I said that the majority of the AM radios out there are narrow band. There are obvious exceptions like the GE SuperRadio and some car radios that will receive more than telephone passband.....but for the most part, the vast majority of AM radios, particularly those produced over the past 10-15 years, are narrow band. Note that nowhere in the above do I say that ALL AM radios are narrow band. Never have. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Oct 11 09:21:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62301 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2004 16:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2004 16:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2004 16:21:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2004 16:21:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2004 16:21:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:21:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5CD02C86-1B40-11D9-BBBE-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 554 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: {AMSF} Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I still wonder if the whole thing would be better off if analog was > just phased out in a year or so, so the digital components could work > better in a narrower mask. Seems like distant reception might be > do-able again. > Hey Richard: I think you're right.....maybe not as soon as one year, but come up with a resonable phase out period and be done with it. Whenever there is change, there is always some pain. We need to minimize the pain here. Tom Ray WOR From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Oct 11 09:34:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55879 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2004 16:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2004 16:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2004 16:34:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2004 16:32:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2004 16:32:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:32:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1181 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Thanks for clearing that up. You might want to re-check, though. That old 3 IF can reference design is GONE from everything new I tear apart - virtually everything new is wide band. Not because anybody wants to make a wide band radio, because they want to make a cheap radio and include only one low cost ceramic filter. There is a quick way to tell - just go down the line in Best Buy, Circuit City, Wal Mart - whatever. I use Radio Disney because they broadcast wide bandwidth. If I hear cymbals crashing, triangles dinging, it is getting considerably more than 5 kHz response. And since the speakers in those things are seldom over 2 inches, they will get a lot of 5 to 10 kHz noise. Not very scientific, but it is a quick way to survey new products. But by all means, don't take my word for it. Go to Walmart and try it out. You will be amazed at how many new radios are wide band (because they are cheap). I thought myself that there would be a lot of old designs with the three IF cans. But I would be hard pressed to find a new design using them. Heaven help us poor hobbyist types if we have to scavenge a new radio for parts to fix an old. From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Oct 11 11:05:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18945 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2004 18:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2004 18:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2004 18:05:18 -0000 Received: from jimspc (adsl-68-76-216-220.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.216.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i9BI4rWc091930; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:04:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002301c4afbc$d0933fc0$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: Cc: "Jim Burgan" References: Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:04:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Well, Jim, you may want to tell this to the thousands who attended the > NAB Radio show last week....and the several hundred I spoke to about > conversion to AM IBOC. The "minority" isn't as small as you would > like to think it is. You make it sound like the 'thousands who attended the NAB Radio Show last week were there to embrace IBOC. Be very careful when throwing numbers around. Did the 'several hundred' with whom you spoke also share your utopic views of IBOC? > Maybe before making a statement such as this, you should get your > facts straight. WOR's site was new, except for the ground system, in > 1997...and the antenna still proofs out to 97% of the efficiency it > had when the antenna system was new in 1967. We are presently > building an entirely new facility, and we will end up with the same > signal problems that were described here. I was being cynical when I stated that you may want to upgrade your plant. You & Tom come here to troll for responses like mine. I was referring more to the amount of time you spend trolling on this newsgroup than I was about the WOR plant. You guys post on this forum (it IS the AM Stereo Forum) which is composed of AM Stereo enthusiasts, and try to convince a hostile group that IBOC is tantamount to the Second Coming of Christ. > Maybe in a fantasy world that you would like to live in, but not in > the real world. The NYC Metro area isn't Chicago.....it's much more > congested building wise. All AM stations in NYC have > problems....doesn't matter who they are. > You admit it's "been a while" since you've been here. It must have > been quite a while. I've been in NYC for over 7 years now, and none > of the stations you described above have signals with no problems. > You might want to talk to their engineers who will tell you exactly > what I just did. I can only base my opinions on personal experience, not what you or anyone else post. I will get a chance to reevaluate my position in November. If it is as you say, I will post a retraction, but the last time I was in NY, it exactly as I said. > As a matter of fact, I am the author of the book on IBOC that SBE is > putting out. Yes, the SBE has decided to embrace IBOC - - there is no > choice. Our membership is going to have to deal with it, and it is > our responsibility to make sure they have the information to do so. Boy is this a surprise (your authorship of the book). You say that the SBE "has no choice". Now that is a statement that shows lots of support. You mentioned earlier that, "Maybe in a fantasy world that you would like to live in, but not in the real world." You think that's what's best for NY is best for America. Talk about living in a fantasy world... you paint a picture that IBOC is the cure-all of AM Radio's ills. The problem is that some AM's are doing quite well as analog radio-stations. AM declines because of programming, not because of signal problems. Even in NY WABC and WINS are #7 and #8 (12+), beating out 22 other FM stations. These cities have AM stations as the # 1 station in the market (12+ ) Chicago (WGN) Boston (WBZ) Atlanta (WSB) Mineapolis (WCCO) St Louis (KMOX) Pittsburgh (KDKA) Cincinnati (WLW) Salt Lake City (KSL) There are many more but Arbitron had embargoed so many markets that I can't confirm them, so I won't. My point is, AM is a strong, viable delivery method. The decline in listeners may be a result of hyper-niche programming, aimed at very small audiences and just plain bad programming. > The AM band is dying a slow and painful death. > IBOC can only help. See above. Can you give me some figures that show the AM band's decline in recent years? I realize that most music stations have moved to FM over the past 30 years, so that decline is to be expected. But I would really like to see how AM has declined in the past 10 years or even 5 years. > Tell that to our advertisers who can't buy enough time to sell their > products to the people who, according to you, aren't listening. And > you can stop your snipes. Kerry did not attack you and there is no > call for it. Take a look at WOR's programming and then you will > realize that we are formatted more like a television station rather > than in the handy dayparts that Arbitron measures. Between 10 and 3, > you have, from 10-11, grandmotherly advice, then from 11-noon a food > program, from noon-2 Dr. Joy with psychology, from 2-3 Bill O'Reilly. > Of course our ratings don't show it. Our audience changes 4 times in > that one Arbitron daypart. If television stations were rated in > dayparts such as these, no television station or network would have > decent numbers, either. I didn't attack anybody! I merely stated fact. It's funny that it's always those below the Mendoza line who claim that Arbitron is unfair or inaccurate. I'll bet WABC and WINS aren't screaming about the inaccuracy of Arbitron's sampling or methodology. I don't know how listing the WOR lineup is essential to this discussion. WLW also uses block programming with as diverse programming as WOR, and WLW is #1 in Cincinnati and doubles the share/cume of the #2 station. It's all bout programming, not signal. > The FCC is already handling the Canadians, and the Mexicans have > several IBOC stations on the air, as do several South American > countries. Tell me... Exactly what is the FCC doing about the Canadians? When I made my original post 3 or 4 months ago, there were NO AM stations in Mexico running IBOC. The only information I found showed that Mexico was operating 2 or 3 Eureka systems and had no intention of adopting IBOC. I will go back in the archives and try to find my source (which I quoted in my rely to Tom). Perhaps some of the border stations that are operated under LMA's by Clear Channel or Cox, perhaps (although when I researched it before, such was not the case) are testing IBOC but when I researched it before, there were none and I know (and will post my source when I have more time) that Mexico has 2 or 3 Eureka systems operational. > If you are going to bring me into this, you had better have your facts > straight, because your "research" is faulty. Mexico presently has 3 > stations on the air with IBOC....and for your information, I do not > fabricate my statements. I do not, and have not, made a false > statement in this forum. You and many others, however, cannot say that. Again, I quoted my source a few months ago when I originally made my argument. Forcing me to go back and research my numbers is unfair, but I'm going to do it. Tell me which stations is Mexico are running IBOC? > Mexico IS taking action.....by putting IBOC on the air. The Canadians > will have no choice but to go with the flow. You accuse me of attacking you and/or Kerry and then you post an arrogant statement like this. I will re-research my statistics and post later today, but all I have ever done here is post statistics proving my case. I very rarely use opinion. Now... While I find my sources, please tell me what the FCC is doing about Canada, tell me which Mexicans stations are broadcasting in IBOC (and give me one statement of fact that the Mexican government has approved IBOC or even given it any favorable comments, and tell me more about the "decline in listeners of the AM band" (other than the loss of music audiences to FM over the past 30 years). I would like numbers and source on that. Also, give me source (other than opinion) based on facts that show "The AM band is dying a slow and painful death, IBOC can only help." I don't hear WABC, WINS, WCCO, WIBC, WHAT, WLW, KMOX, WBZ, WSB, WOKV, KSL, WLS, WHN or any other successful AM stations screaming about the painful death. It sounds like a desperate plea from a station with a good signal rated 19th. Facts, not opinion! I will provide my sources (again) when I get a chance this evening. Now let me see your facts and numbers. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Oct 11 11:47:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29629 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2004 18:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2004 18:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2004 18:47:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20041011184743.78527.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:47:43 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:47:43 -0700 (PDT) To: AMstereo 2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.145 From: "John P." Subject: Ironic, isn't it? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Marconi Radio Award at 2004 NAB: Adult Standards Station of the Year KABL-AM, San Francisco, CA Wow -It wins the national award, then goes bye-bye.... _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Oct 11 12:20:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65210 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2004 19:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2004 19:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2004 19:20:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2004 19:20:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2004 19:20:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:20:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c4afbc$d0933fc0$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3092 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: {AMSF} Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Whoa there! I, for one, think that Tom and Kevin, and on other boards IBOC advocates like David Eduardo have made very good contributions to the discussion. Without their point of view, we would still be objecting to IBOC on the basis of adjacent channel interference to nighttime DX. This is an issue that will gain us nothing with the FCC. We need facts based on careful engineering studies, and ardent IBOC advocates on the list can help weed out the weak, irrelevant, and useless arguments. When we go before stations, industry leaders, and the FCC, we can now present some very powerful technical arguments about the defects of the IBOC system. Facts that they cannot ignore. Facts that will vindicate us when IBOC implodes as we suspect it will. We don't have to be defensive about our side of the issue. We have a growing body of evidence that IBOC will fail because of a conversion of the receiver makers to cheap, broadband techniques, and IBOC stations will have static superimposed. Just today, Ford was at my work with a bunch of new 2005 cars - every one of which had C-Quam AM stereo broadband radios. And MP3 CD with satellite radio, too. The sales people were well familiar with AM stereo, and proud of their committment to the technology. None were very enthusiastic about HD radio, but were unaware of the self-jamming problem. They were aware, though of the adjacent channel interference IBOC causes. Tom sounds like a really nice guy in exchanges I have had with him in the past. I can't blame somebody for converting to IBOC on the orders of his boss, and then defending a technology that solves reception problems in his market. I wish there was a way for IBOC to co-exist with the AM band, or a re-assignment of stations on the band, or something that would allow us the use of digital AM stereo without destroying the band. Thankfully, it looks like the FCC will never mandate digital conversion, receivers will remain sky high in price, and therefore IBOC AM is doomed to the same fate as AM stereo. Big money is behind it, but that big money is not going to save it. A lot of people at Ibiquity and Clear Channel are going to lose face and money. In 20 years, WOR and other IBOC stations will seem just as archaic as C-Quam stations do now. Frankly, I hope that the AM band does "die". There will always be stations onit, and death to AM probably means a return to small, local broacasters who can't afford millions of dollarts to get on the air now. The only thing that will "die" is the interest of large radio conglomerates in the band, and that will be a very good thing. Before we get disrespectful of people like Tom that like IBOC for what it does for their station, lets step back a minute and think about how we would feel if we joined a very enthusiastic IBOC board, and expressed our opinions for C-Quam. We would not get a very good reception there, and I admire Tom and the other IBOC advocates for stepping into hostile territory and expressing an unpopular point of view. From krichards@wor710.com Mon Oct 11 13:49:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25407 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2004 20:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2004 20:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2004 20:49:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2004 20:49:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2004 20:49:29 -0000 X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8481 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2004 12:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2004 12:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2004 12:36:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2004 12:36:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2004 12:36:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:36:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5CD02C86-1B40-11D9-BBBE-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1260 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC/Kerry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 11 Oct 2004 20:49:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 Hey Guys...I can take the heat in my comments here; But...Let me say this, I know of at least 10 stations turning the HD Radio exciters on air, and another 10 or so stations about to do the same. I know of several C-Quam exciters going off line and another couple I read about here. I know of no AM stations turning on C-Quam, major market stations usually set the trend for all the others. And I do not mean Podunkville Idaho...I mean major players here and important stations that make money and are profitable, in both big markets and small markets. No one is talking about C-Quam, except here. The other cool thing about HD is that it is for FM stations as well. From a marketing standpoint this is great news for any AM Broadcaster. Notice I am not saying anything here about the technical benefits of HD or C-Quam.......just the practical reality of the present situation. HD Radio is on it's way in and C-Quam is on it's way out. It is obvious there will be little or no AM analog stereo in the future, since broadcasters are in the process of slowly shutting it off. On top of this, the radio manufacturers are starting to produce HD Radios, only Visteon still makes a C-Quam OEM radio, how much longer will this last? Kerry... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Oct 11 14:08:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67517 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2004 21:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2004 21:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2004 21:08:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2004 21:07:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2004 21:07:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:07:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2553 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.1 Subject: Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC/Kerry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > But...Let me say this, I know of at least 10 stations turning the > HD Radio exciters on air, and another 10 or so stations about to do > the same. I know of several C-Quam exciters going off line and > another couple I read about here. Well, trends do change. How many FM stations are broadcasting Quadraphonic audio anymore? Or Dolby FM? Meanwhile, RDS was "dead" a few years ago; across the country, RDS was getting shut off, and at one point, there wasn't even a single commercial station in New York City transmitting it. But now, with support from companies like Clear Channel, more and more FM stations are bringing RDS back on-line, or even adding it to stations which have never used RDS in the past. > It is obvious there will be little or no AM analog stereo in the > future, since broadcasters are in the process of slowly shutting it > off. For corporate-owned major-market stations in the USA, that is true. But in other cases, especially outside the USA where IBOC isn't even on the drawing board, the use of analog AM Stereo remains fairly stable. As long as functioning C-Quam equipment is available, you can be assured that somebody, somewhere will be transmitting it, and that is what we are here to support! > On top of this, the radio manufacturers are starting to produce > HD Radios, only Visteon still makes a C-Quam OEM radio, how much > longer will this last? Assuming that you are speaking only of automotive receivers, Chrysler Corp. continues to include AM Stereo in many of their radios, and I believe some Cadillac radios also continue to feature AM Stereo. And of course there is also Motorola's "Symphony" DSP chipset, which as Motorola has clearly stated, can be equipped with C-Quam AM Stereo for any manufacturer who requests it. And as for Visteon's radios, the new 2005 models will feature _both_ C-Quam AM Stereo _and_ IBOC capability, as well as RDS on FM -- and it's all done through the use of DSP microprocessor code. This manner of using DSP to provide a "jack-of-all-trades" receiver which can support all current analog _and_ digital broadcast methods is supported by people such as Frank Foti of Telos/Omnia, and I personally believe it is 100% the way to go, as long as the real- world performance can live up to our expectations. Also, DSP-based receivers will effectively prevent any future "marketplace wars", because virtually any signal format, analog or digital, can be accomodated with no change in circuitry, just by adding the requisite DSP code. From tomray@wor710.com Mon Oct 11 17:57:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40982 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2004 00:57:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2004 00:57:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2004 00:57:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2004 00:57:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2004 00:57:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:57:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c4afbc$d0933fc0$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5232 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > You make it sound like the 'thousands who attended the NAB Radio Show last > week were there to embrace IBOC. > Be very careful when throwing numbers around. Did the 'several hundred' > with whom you spoke also share your utopic views of IBOC? I didn't have anyone come up to me with an attitude. I fielded many questions after the presentations and all the questions were "when I put IBOC on", not "if", and not "I ain't doing it". > You & Tom come here to troll for responses like mine. I was referring more > to the amount of time you spend trolling on this newsgroup than I was about > the WOR plant. You guys post on this forum (it IS the AM Stereo Forum) > which is composed of AM Stereo enthusiasts, and try to convince a hostile > group that IBOC is tantamount to the Second Coming of Christ. First of all, I'm Tom, not Kerry. Second of all, I come here to post to defend our radio station. If I'm not mistaken, I've given many straight answers on all topics of AM radio....including AM stereo...and many have contacted me off list who appreciate my straightforwardness. I am not here to "troll" for anything, but when I see either my station, myself, or my personnel being attacked, or just plain false information, I step in. > > I can only base my opinions on personal experience, not what you or anyone > else post. > I will get a chance to reevaluate my position in November. > If it is as you say, I will post a retraction, but the last time I was in > NY, it exactly as I said. If you don't encounter any signal problems, I'd like to know what you're using for a radio.....there could be $ made selling them! > You mentioned earlier that, "Maybe in a fantasy world that you would like > to live in, but not in the real world." You think that's what's best for NY > is best for America. Talk about living in a fantasy world... you paint a > picture that IBOC is the cure-all of AM Radio's ills. Considering that each one of us on the Board of Directors of SBE is involved with HD stations, we have much support. The recent discussions have been whether we should put out a book, not whether we should support it. And I never said IBOC will cure all of AM Radio's ills. IBOC will take care of problems that have been issues with consumers for a long time. It's not the be all or end all, and right now it's what we have. Is it perfect? No. Is it better than what we have? In my opinion, yes. > It's funny that it's always those below the Mendoza line who claim that > Arbitron is unfair or inaccurate. There you go again, trying to put words in my mouth. I did not say that Arbitron was unfair. I said that, based on their method of audience sampling, the WOR numbers are not as they appear. There was no criticism there nor crying of foul. There are many, many ways to sell radio, and strictly by the 12+ numbers isn't the only way. If you were to break the numbers down by hour and demographic, you easily see where WOR cleans the clocks of others in NYC. But the only numbers that are usually reported publicly are the 12+. > I'll bet WABC and WINS aren't screaming about the inaccuracy of Arbitron's > sampling or methodology. WABC does not have the audience turnover we do.....their programming is fairly consistent throughout the day and dayparts, and WINS is all news....news is news, you go there or you don't. > I don't know how listing the WOR lineup is essential to this discussion. You blasted our ratings. It is very essential to this discussion. > WLW also uses block programming with as diverse programming as WOR, and WLW > is #1 in Cincinnati and doubles the share/cume of the #2 station. > It's all bout programming, not signal. That is true. But Cincinnati is not NYC, either. Very different markets. > Perhaps some of the border stations that are operated under LMA's by Clear > Channel or Cox, perhaps (although when I researched it before, such was not > the case) are testing IBOC but when I researched it before, there were none > and I know (and will post my source when I have more time) that Mexico has 2 > or 3 Eureka systems operational. These are not border stations owned by Clear Channel. iBiqiuty has been in talks with Mexico for some time....and I'm told by them that they are close to an agreement with Mexico. > Again, I quoted my source a few months ago when I originally made my > argument. Forcing me to go back and research my numbers is unfair, but I'm > going to do it. > Tell me which stations is Mexico are running IBOC? I'll be more than happy to get that info from iBiqiuty. Their website shows XHFAJ-FM and XEN-AM in Mexico City.....there were several others mentioned at the Radio Show, and I don't recall who they are. And since you've deemed me arrogant and responded with an arrogant ending.......the FCC is presently in talks with the Canadians....that is all I know at this time. You act as if the Canadians are Jesus Christ Almighty and that we need to throw in the towel right now. We need to see how this plays out. Something tells me Canada will be on board shortly. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Oct 11 17:59:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76181 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2004 00:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2004 00:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2004 00:59:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2004 00:59:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2004 00:59:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:59:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 35 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: {AMSF} Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Bruce: Thank you. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Oct 11 18:07:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64561 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2004 01:07:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2004 01:07:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2004 01:07:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2004 01:07:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2004 01:07:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 01:07:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1478 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC/Kerry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Well, trends do change. How many FM stations are broadcasting > Quadraphonic audio anymore? Or Dolby FM? Meanwhile, RDS was "dead" > a few years ago; across the country, RDS was getting shut off, and at > one point, there wasn't even a single commercial station in New York > City transmitting it. But now, with support from companies like > Clear Channel, more and more FM stations are bringing RDS back > on-line, or even adding it to stations which have never used RDS in > the past. Kevin: You're absolutely right. Have you checked out the data protocol for RDS? It's much more than title and artist. Under the old EBS system, we used to use it for behind the scenes data communication in Connecticut before EAS and before behind the scenes communications for this purpose was cool. I believe we used data channel 5 in the protocol for our communications. Time of day is also a transmitted string.....I know of one station that was sued because they didn't realize the clock in the RDS generator wasn't synced to the power line and that it would drift like any computer clock. Some guy was fired for being late to work because he based his time on the time that was transmitted. Of course, if the station had a radio that their Engineer could check on his way into work, he would have seen this and corrected the situation before it got out of hand...... Tom Ray WOR From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 11 19:20:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66967 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2004 02:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2004 02:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52402.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.110) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2004 02:20:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20041012022046.16172.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.95] by web52402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:20:46 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:20:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.110 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard > Wagoner > wrote: > > > I still wonder if the whole thing would be better > off if analog was > > just phased out in a year or so, so the digital > components could work > > better in a narrower mask. Seems like distant > reception might be > > do-able again. > > > > Hey Richard: > > I think you're right.....maybe not as soon as one > year, but come up > with a resonable phase out period and be done with > it. > Whenever there is change, there is always some pain. > We need to > minimize the pain here. > Tom Ray > WOR Anything greater than 5 years is too long. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From baansy@yahoo.com Mon Oct 11 20:11:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15071 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2004 03:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2004 03:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2004 03:11:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2004 03:11:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2004 03:11:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:11:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 291 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "baansy" X-Originating-IP: 203.39.81.9 Subject: RADIO DATA SYSTEM ON AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy I was just looking at the RDS forum for USA AND EUROPE and it said that they were looking into setting up an RDS system for the AM band that would be compatable with AM STEREO. I guess if they bother doing so is another thing. There are now three FM stations here in ADELAIDE using RDS. From brian60420@yahoo.com Mon Oct 11 22:35:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85463 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2004 05:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2004 05:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2004 05:35:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2004 05:34:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2004 05:34:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 05:34:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 975 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "brian60420" X-Originating-IP: 208.24.179.12 Subject: Re: sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Jeff, From your website, you state that you have added AM Stereo decoder boards to the Denon and Yamaha products. Is this true? Is that the reason for the higher prices? Can you add a decoder board to a car system? I'm always interested in new innovative products. Curious, brian --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wrote: > Bruce, > You write: > >I think the only difference between the 42 and the A1 is that the > >42 only does C-Quam, while the A1 can do Kahn and a coule of > >others that were never really implemented. > Sony SRF-42 will decode Magnavox, Harris, and C-QuAM stereo > AM transmissions. In fact, it sounds quite good using the Magnavox > mode from my Panasonic stereo generator. SRF-A1 will decode the > three modes above as well as Kahn ISB. > > Will you link my web page to your web page? > Thanks. > > 73, > Jeff Deck > For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit > http://meduci.com From brian60420@yahoo.com Mon Oct 11 22:38:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80186 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2004 05:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2004 05:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2004 05:38:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2004 05:38:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2004 05:38:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 05:38:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 975 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "brian60420" X-Originating-IP: 208.24.179.12 Subject: Re: sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Jeff, From your website, you state that you have added AM Stereo decoder boards to the Denon and Yamaha products. Is this true? Is that the reason for the higher prices? Can you add a decoder board to a car system? I'm always interested in new innovative products. Curious, brian --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wrote: > Bruce, > You write: > >I think the only difference between the 42 and the A1 is that the > >42 only does C-Quam, while the A1 can do Kahn and a coule of > >others that were never really implemented. > Sony SRF-42 will decode Magnavox, Harris, and C-QuAM stereo > AM transmissions. In fact, it sounds quite good using the Magnavox > mode from my Panasonic stereo generator. SRF-A1 will decode the > three modes above as well as Kahn ISB. > > Will you link my web page to your web page? > Thanks. > > 73, > Jeff Deck > For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit > http://meduci.com From brian60420@yahoo.com Mon Oct 11 22:51:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41493 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2004 05:50:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2004 05:50:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2004 05:50:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2004 05:50:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2004 05:50:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 05:50:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002e01c4a72d$a2804a20$17b30642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 928 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "brian60420" X-Originating-IP: 208.24.179.12 Subject: Re: Scott Muni died X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 I remember Scott's syndicated show "Ticket to Ride". His collection of Beatles interviews and of course, music. That was one show I will never forget because it was on in the 80's, it was on WLS-AM and it was in AM Stereo every Sunday morning. I'm sure you heard it also......."Ringo here". My favorite part of the show was the mail-bag at the end of the show where he would answer questions from listeners (with "Flying" in the backgound). He knew just about everything Beatles related. brian --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > To all native New Yorkers, I see that Scott Muni died at 74. One of the original WMCA good guys, then on to WABC in the early 60's, then on to the then alternative WNEW FM. He was a cool guy, and I had the pleasure to meet him once when I was 9 years old. He will be missed. > Chris > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Oct 12 01:05:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1351 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2004 08:05:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2004 08:05:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.11) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2004 08:05:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 01:05:04 -0700 Received: from 68.255.72.65 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:04:46 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 04:04:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2004 08:05:04.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E1AFAF0:01C4B032] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.11 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.255.72.65] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC/Kerry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane That's funny you mentioned the time feature of RDS. I have a Sangean ATS909 which the clock on it may be set by RDS time. After I manually set the time (somewhat of a pain), I switched it over to the automatic update and tuned WMMQ 94.9 (East Lansing, MI). Their time was wrong by several hours (AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!). Paul Crane >From: "Tom Ray" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC/Kerry >Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 01:07:17 -0000 > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > > > Well, trends do change. How many FM stations are broadcasting > > Quadraphonic audio anymore? Or Dolby FM? Meanwhile, RDS was "dead" > > a few years ago; across the country, RDS was getting shut off, and at > > one point, there wasn't even a single commercial station in New York > > City transmitting it. But now, with support from companies like > > Clear Channel, more and more FM stations are bringing RDS back > > on-line, or even adding it to stations which have never used RDS in > > the past. > > >Kevin: > >You're absolutely right. > >Have you checked out the data protocol for RDS? It's much more than >title and artist. Under the old EBS system, we used to use it for >behind the scenes data communication in Connecticut before EAS and >before behind the scenes communications for this purpose was cool. I >believe we used data channel 5 in the protocol for our communications. > >Time of day is also a transmitted string.....I know of one station >that was sued because they didn't realize the clock in the RDS >generator wasn't synced to the power line and that it would drift like >any computer clock. Some guy was fired for being late to work because >he based his time on the time that was transmitted. Of course, if the >station had a radio that their Engineer could check on his way into >work, he would have seen this and corrected the situation before it >got out of hand...... > >Tom Ray >WOR > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From amstereoexp@yahoo.com Tue Oct 12 11:07:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoexp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85325 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2004 18:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2004 18:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14925.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.11) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2004 18:07:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20041012180712.54878.qmail@web14925.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.89.148] by web14925.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:07:11 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:07:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.225.11 From: amstereoexp Subject: Fwd: Am stereo list changes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78550888 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoexp --- Rpena wrote: > Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:56:44 -0600 > From: Rpena > To: amstereoexp@yahoo.com > Subject: Am stereo list changes Dear Friends: I have a correction and an addition to the list of AM Stereo stations: XEDN 1240 AM STEREO Ciudad Delicias, Chih ("Radio Radiola") CURRENTLY IS NOT TRANSMITING IN STEREO, XEJZ 1320 AM STEREO Ciudad Jimenez, Chih ("La Campera") IS NOW TRANSMITING IN AM STEREO. Thanks RAMON PENA CHIHUAHUA, MEXICO _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From pmount2@att.net Tue Oct 12 21:51:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pmount2@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91698 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2004 04:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2004 04:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net) (204.127.131.117) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2004 04:51:42 -0000 Received: from 204.127.135.41 ([204.127.135.41]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <2004101304514111300d7lsee>; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 04:51:41 +0000 Received: from [24.228.89.34] by 204.127.135.41; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 04:51:40 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 04:51:40 +0000 Message-Id: <101320040451.16371.416CB45C0009623700003FF32158766720CD9B029A01039F@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 19 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cG1vdW50MkBhdHQubmV0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.131.117 From: pmount2@att.net Subject: Re: IBOC improves WOR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192157907 X-Yahoo-Profile: mount142 >>I can't blame somebody for converting to IBOC on the orders of his boss, and then defending a technology that solves reception problems in his market>> How will IBOC improve reception problems in the (NY) market? Perhaps similarly, when a new facility is put up, will there be a change in the directional system to pump more effective watts into NYC and less concern about the secondary lobe towards Philadelphia? From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 13 02:41:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81310 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2004 09:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2004 09:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2004 09:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.124.14.88 with login) by smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2004 09:40:13 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c4b108$5cc537e0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 02:33:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.81 From: Subject: am radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang You know whats sad guys with out anlog am radio we would not be on this list and there would be no radios at all am or fm and no tv and no satelite radio and tv. So some of you that want to dis am radio have a second thought about that please. And buy the way we started am radio and no els did.Thanks for your time gang. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck@aol.com Wed Oct 13 02:47:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48082 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2004 09:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2004 09:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2004 09:47:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2004 09:47:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2004 09:47:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:47:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1303 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.208.118.77 Subject: Re: sony srf-42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 You write: >Jeff, > From your website, you state that you have added AM Stereo >decoder boards to the Denon and Yamaha products. Is this true? Is >that the reason for the higher prices? Can you add a decoder board >to a car system? I'm always interested in new innovative products. Brian, Yes, I have developed a custom AMAX stereo AM decoder board using Motorola technology. Also included are the 10kHz notch filters and noise blanker. This printed circuit board measures approximately 3.9" x 2.5" and components do extend another 3" from the board. Generally speaking, there is not much room available inside the aftermarket car stereos for this size decoder board. Also, this decoder will politely refuse to function on any manually-tuned radio, so you will need a frequency and phase locked digital AM tuner as the host receiver. Inputs to the AM stereo decoder board include +Vcc (+12 volts), chassis ground, 450 kHz I.F input, FM audio, and bandwidth control. Outputs include left and right line level audio, and AM stereo indicator. Yamaha tuners can be programmed for 9kHz AM channel spacing. Both Denon and Yamaha tuners operate from 120 volts A.C input. Thanks for the interest. 73, Jeff Deck For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit http://meduci.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Oct 13 23:36:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7096 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2004 06:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2004 06:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2004 06:36:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2004 06:36:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2004 06:36:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:36:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1516 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.12 Subject: Kahn Cam-D on the air in Utah X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com.... KDYL Running Cam-D KDYL(AM) owner Ralph Carlson says he's been on the air with Leonard Kahn's Cam-D system for a week. The South Salt Lake City station uses "some" of Kahn's Powerside equipment in addition to the Cam-D box, which is essentially a digitally processed analog system. Carlson was rather cautious with details as the system is still being tweaked. Advantages of Cam-D, according to Carlson are that it will not cause co- or adjacent channel interference, no limit skywave reception. "At +/- 8 kHz bandwidth, it exceeds NRSC standards," he says. Carlson wouldn't reveal the cost of the system, but said he did not need to buy a new transmitter or antenna system to use it. With Cam-D, he claims his 10 kW daytime signal can reach about 180 miles away in Green River, Utah. "Normally, our signal wouldn't go out that far," says Carlson. The station runs 450 watts of power at night. Compatible radios could be out in a year, he believes as there is an unnamed chipmaker lined up for the project, according to Carlson. The 36-year radio veteran says he's heard IBOC. "It's not where I think it should be." He acknowledges Kahn is late in developing an alternative to IBOC. "We should have started a couple of years ago." We've reported a station in Nebraska was running Cam-D earlier this year but was taken off the air for performance reasons. Carlson says that was "not a finished model" and "the owner messed with it" after installation. From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Oct 14 06:42:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46081 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2004 13:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2004 13:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2004 13:42:48 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.17.198]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:42:46 -0600 Message-ID: <001f01c4b1f4$4de7f400$d503fea9@home1> To: Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:47:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2004 13:42:47.0250 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0ACCB20:01C4B1F3] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Broadcasters Clinic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Went to the Madison Broadcasters Clinic and was disappointed that nobody had a sample of AM IBOC to listen to. Tom Ray was diverted to another venue much closer to him and he was to have brought the sample we could hear. There was an FM IBOC demonstration, but didn't bother listening to the sample as I had already heard the real thing on a local classical station. Digital's only advantage would be in areas of heavy multipath, otherwise they sound the same. Andy Laird of Journal Broadcasting said that they've been transmitting 6k audio for the last two years. It's acceptable but doesn't have the crispness of WGN or WBBM. WTMJ in Milwaukee is now running IBOC, but I didn't hear a lot of self interference nor did I hear a lot of hiss on adjacent channels, but then the directional pattern doesn't favor Madison. Andy further said that when they first turned IBOC on, there was a lot of hiss which was corrected by retuning their phasor for a flatter passband. When driving down Monday night, I was able to listen to WSAI and did hear the hiss on the adjacents, plus the fidelity difference between them and CHWO was easily discernable on my stock Ford car radio. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Oct 14 06:48:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22320 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2004 13:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2004 13:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2004 13:48:17 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.17.198]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:47:54 -0600 Message-ID: <002901c4b1f5$05801340$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <002301c4afbc$d0933fc0$6501a8c0@jimspc> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:52:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2004 13:47:55.0162 (UTC) FILETIME=[68346FA0:01C4B1F4] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The hypocrisy of CC's push for 5 kHz NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually WCCO is #2 and has been for a few years; #3 in morning drive, now behind KQRS and Christian broadcaster KTIS! The latter being a noncom won't show up on the arbs. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" > These cities have AM stations as the # 1 station in the market (12+ ) > Chicago (WGN) > Boston (WBZ) > Atlanta (WSB) > Mineapolis (WCCO) > St Louis (KMOX) > Pittsburgh (KDKA) > Cincinnati (WLW) > Salt Lake City (KSL) From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Oct 14 07:10:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30560 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2004 14:10:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2004 14:10:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2004 14:10:03 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.17.198]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:10:00 -0600 Message-ID: <006301c4b1f8$1bb3f200$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:14:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2004 14:10:00.0807 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E59CF70:01C4B1F7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn Cam-D on the air in Utah X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude No, actually it was a prototype and was damaged in shipping. Vern Killion was at the BC Clinic and told us of his experiment with it. While he's not currently using it, he seemed optimistic it could be made to work. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > > We've reported a station in Nebraska was running Cam-D earlier this > year but was taken off the air for performance reasons. Carlson says > that was "not a finished model" and "the owner messed with it" after > installation. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Oct 15 01:20:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15499 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2004 08:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2004 08:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51608.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.213) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2004 08:20:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20041015081959.34916.qmail@web51608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.74.144] by web51608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 01:19:59 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 01:19:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, broadcast@broadcast.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.213 From: "Kevin T." Subject: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Looks like WABC wants to get rid of their MW50A... Quote of the week: "TRANSMITTER IS NOT HD COMPATIBLE." [sic] Nor is it compatible with _anything_, since it is "not working at time of sale". http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5527560239 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From radio603@malmo2.net Fri Oct 15 02:58:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56864 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2004 09:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2004 09:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO labs2.net) (82.209.166.11) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2004 09:58:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 14441 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2004 09:57:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO roy) ([82.209.145.201]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Oct 2004 09:57:14 -0000 Message-ID: <001201c4b29d$a3d0db80$c991d152@bredband2.com> To: Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:59:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 82.209.166.11 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?AM-LICENCE_ON_=C5LAND__765_kHz=3F=3F=3F_AVIABLE?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NEW AM LICENCE AVIABLE ON =C5LAND; FINLAND. 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Version: 6.0.777 / Virus Database: 524 - Release Date: 2004-10-14 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Oct 15 16:43:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91281 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2004 23:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2004 23:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2004 23:43:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20041015234353.26894.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.124] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:43:53 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:43:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20041015081959.34916.qmail@web51608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > Looks like WABC wants to get rid of their MW50A... > > Quote of the week: "TRANSMITTER IS NOT HD > COMPATIBLE." [sic] Nor is it > compatible with _anything_, since it is "not working > at time of sale". > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5527560239 Starting bid is to be $7000! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From tomray@wor710.com Fri Oct 15 17:22:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25161 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2004 00:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2004 00:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2004 00:22:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2004 00:22:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2004 00:22:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 00:22:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <101320040451.16371.416CB45C0009623700003FF32158766720CD9B029A01039F@att.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1197 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: IBOC improves WOR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, pmount2@a... wrote: > > How will IBOC improve reception problems in the (NY) market? Drive around Manhattan with an HD radio in the car, and you get no dropouts, buzzes, or whistles on WOR. The corner of 3rd and 40th is terrible....the entire AM band is almost unlistenable, including WOR. I can sit there and listen to the HD signal with no issues. And I can listen to the HD signal in our conference room with a clip lead antenna, where the analog is extremely noisy. That's huge. > > Perhaps similarly, when a new facility is put up, will there > be a change in the directional system to pump more effective > watts into NYC and less concern about the secondary lobe towards > Philadelphia? We have a large audience in NJ, and WOR considers NJ as "homebase", if you will, as we were put on the air in Newark. Pulling signal out of the secondary lobe would be suicide, as the only place it could go is into the primary lobe. We're locked into our present pattern. The pattern, for all intents and purposes, will remain the same on the new site. If anything, we would like to open it up to the northwest, but that's not possible. Tom Ray WOR From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Oct 15 23:04:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16786 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2004 06:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2004 06:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2004 06:04:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2004 06:04:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2004 06:04:02 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59557 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2004 00:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2004 00:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2004 00:19:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2004 00:19:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2004 00:19:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 00:19:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041015234353.26894.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1409 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: {AMSF} 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Oct 2004 06:04:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 Would it (with the proper C-Quam exciter) be able to transmit AM Stereo if someone could get it working, and is it usable with other frequencies besides 770 kHz? I think the FCC would frown on me getting a 50kW station on the air in my 1/2 acre back yard, considering that we have a station on 760 kHz less than 8 miles away. I guess I would still have a hard time finding a place to put it on the air in San Diego, though.... I would want as large of a groundwave coverage as possible - at least as far out as WBAP, KLIF, and KMIK get out from their transmitters in their lobes (of the 2 directional stations that is), and I'm mainly talking about non-directional transmission and not in the direction of the Pacific Ocean. Doesn't look like that will happen, though, considering that the starting bid is $7,000 more than I can afford, and the dial is fairly saturated.... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > > Looks like WABC wants to get rid of their MW50A... > > > > Quote of the week: "TRANSMITTER IS NOT HD > > COMPATIBLE." [sic] Nor is it > > compatible with _anything_, since it is "not working > > at time of sale". > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5527560239 > > > Starting bid is to be $7000! > > > Powell > > > ===== > powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From krichards@wor710.com Sat Oct 16 14:09:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17732 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2004 21:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2004 21:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2004 21:09:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2004 21:09:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2004 21:09:11 -0000 X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84269 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2004 14:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2004 14:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2004 14:35:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2004 14:35:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2004 14:35:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:35:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1906 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Oct 2004 21:09:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 I've seen this transmitter up close, it is pretty clean, but missing some parts. I think the buyer would be a collector or someone wanting parts fo an existing MW-50 of that age. To get it retuned or parts replaced is a big job.....and with today's electric bills etc, a new state of the art BE, Nautel,or Harris would be worth the buy. Running anything like an old plate modulated rig or even a doherty, or an MW of that power in this day and age is a challenge, plus the efficiency factor makes a new transmitter pay for itself when the electric bill comes. Everyday parts are becoming harder and harder to find for these older rigs. Even more harder is to find an engineer to do the work, and then the expenses involved. Try buying parts for Continental 317C, it's kinda like what they have left, and it ain't much. Same goes for an MW-50, a tough call for parts. Imagine trying to get parts for an RCA Ampliphase or worse yet an old 50G. There are a few left as AUX TXs, if something like a diode blows out you can probably get it, but coils and transformers that's another matter. Even high power resistors are hard to get, and then there's things like motorized autoformers, switches, and panel indicators that wear out. Can't get them easily. I've heard good things about BE's new 50kw transmitter, seems it has a complete diagnostic screen on the front panel. Yes, MW-50 will pass C-Quam OK, but it is a bitch to tune up, but once it runs it is OK. There is not enough bandwidth or phase linearity to pass HD. I'm not exactly sure what is missing from the WABC MW-50, but I know it cannot presently go on air, been like this for some time, they loaned parts to another ABC station. Many years ago Tom tried to buy it for WOR, but then we bit the bullet and got a DX50, soon we will have two 3DX50's on air at the new site. Any bids on our 317C...it works! Kerry.... From tomray@wor710.com Sat Oct 16 14:25:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61518 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2004 21:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2004 21:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2004 21:25:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2004 21:25:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2004 21:25:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:25:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1696 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: >Any bids on our 317C...it > works! > And the PA section hasn't arced over since we found the pinhole in the screen blocker and repaired it! It used to make a good fireworks display! On the MW-50.....I was looking to buy it to replace the Continental aux we have.....then our transmitter relocation project came up. I've worked with several of these set up for C-Quam. Kerry is right....they're a mother to get set up (because of the third harmonic resonators in the grid and plate circuits....you need to strike a happy medium between C-Quam performance and final amplifier efficiency).....but once they're set up, they run well and sound good. I forget if this had the "B" mod where there is no audio input transformer, but the "B" sounds better than the straight MW-50 or MW-50A, and if it has the "C" mod (solid state IPA stage), the stability is much better and you get better C-Quam performance. And yes, you could set it up on a different frequency. This usually involves changing out a few expensive vacuum caps and replacing the crystal. Depending on how far the frequency change is, there may be an inductor or two to replace, but you could find these used. And don't forget....vacuum capacitors (generally 25-35KV units used at 50KW) make a VERY expensive sound if you drop one and the glass envelope shatters! If anyone wants to pay the electric bill on this puppy, go ahead. I can tell you that when WOR was running a Continental 317C-1 full time, the power bill at the site was around $10K/month. It now runs about $7500/month. The DX-50 paid for itself in under 5 years. Tom Ray WOR From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Oct 16 18:17:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50958 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2004 01:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2004 01:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2004 01:16:59 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.18.78]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 16 Oct 2004 19:16:48 -0600 Message-ID: <003901c4b3e7$9ac16780$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:21:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2004 01:16:49.0467 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA3258B0:01C4B3E6] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I wonder if Alan Wiener is planning on adding another frequency to WBCQ? 7 grand is a bit steep for a museum piece, though if it has half a chance of working again it might be worth it. BTW- the 50G *is* an ampliphase. Had one at KSTP when I worked there. It later ended up at another station in the market, and last I knew it was removed from there and sold to somewhere in Argentina. Would LOVE to have one of those in my collection, though 6000 watts just to light the filaments of the PA tubes wouldn't make me want to run it for anything more than demonstration purposes. The 50F was the last high-level unit and Salem has one for a standby at one of their Cleveland stations. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Richards" > > Imagine trying to get parts for an > RCA Ampliphase or worse yet an old 50G. There are a few left as AUX > TXs, if something like a diode blows out you can probably get it, but > coils and transformers that's another matter. From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Oct 16 18:43:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6087 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2004 01:43:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2004 01:43:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2004 01:43:50 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (max1-134.skyweb.net [66.6.130.6]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i9H1hcIE009708 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:43:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <4171CE47.9070005@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:43:35 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <003901c4b3e7$9ac16780$d503fea9@home1> In-Reply-To: <003901c4b3e7$9ac16780$d503fea9@home1> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL Timtron can rebuild just about any transmitter thats given to him.. That big monster thats On WBCQ. be basically Built using a retired 50kw . and He redesigned the power supplys to Run From 220Vac single phase. thats alot of Current But it works... I just cannot figure how Alan can afford the Electric Bill to Run WBCQ. never mind the 100K per year to renew the license( I think I read that somewhere). thats why there are Not many people running SW radio stations here in the states... Hell I own a few 1kw AM broadcast transmitters converted to 160 meters.. Just wish they could be used for LPSW..... why the FCC mandates 50kw is beyond me since I can Communicate anywhere in the world with my 100 watt Kenwood .. 1 kw LPSW would be really Cool.... Neal Scott Todd wrote: >I wonder if Alan Wiener is planning on adding another frequency to WBCQ? 7 >grand is a bit steep for a museum piece, though if it has half a chance of >working again it might be worth it. BTW- the 50G *is* an ampliphase. Had >one at KSTP when I worked there. It later ended up at another station in >the market, and last I knew it was removed from there and sold to somewhere >in Argentina. Would LOVE to have one of those in my collection, though 6000 >watts just to light the filaments of the PA tubes wouldn't make me want to >run it for anything more than demonstration purposes. The 50F was the last >high-level unit and Salem has one for a standby at one of their Cleveland >stations. > >Scott Todd > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kerry Richards" > > >> Imagine trying to get parts for an >>RCA Ampliphase or worse yet an old 50G. There are a few left as AUX >>TXs, if something like a diode blows out you can probably get it, but >>coils and transformers that's another matter. >> >> > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Oct 16 20:58:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50090 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2004 03:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2004 03:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2004 03:57:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2004 03:57:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2004 03:57:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 03:57:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4171CE47.9070005@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 639 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.129 Subject: {AMSF} Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > thats why there are Not many people running SW radio stations here > in the states... Not many _licensed_ SW stations, that is... plenty of pirates, though, especially above and below the 41-meter band (7 MHz). Also, the fellas transmitting "Hola! Hola! Hoooooolllllaaaaa!" on top of WWV at 10 MHz can be quite an amusement when there's enough of them on the air. One nearby licensed SW staiton is WMLK in Pennsylvania... you pass right by their transmitter site when driving Westbound on I-78. They even have signs for the station, listing the frequency. I believe it is a Jewish religious station ("The Voice of Yahweh"). From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Oct 17 12:09:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53622 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2004 19:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2004 19:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2004 19:09:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2004 19:09:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2004 19:09:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:09:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 95 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.173.128 Subject: Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio If it bursts into flames, it's an MW-50. Horrible transmitter. The 317 is a much better rig. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Oct 17 13:48:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41594 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2004 20:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2004 20:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2004 20:48:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2004 20:48:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2004 20:48:18 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2093 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2004 18:01:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2004 18:01:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2004 18:01:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2004 18:01:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2004 18:01:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:01:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4171CE47.9070005@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1292 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.169 Subject: {AMSF} Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 17 Oct 2004 20:48:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > 1 kw LPSW would be really Cool.... Time station CHU gets by on something like 2.5-5kW, and I can hear them on both their 3330 and 7336kHz freqs reasonably well, from weak to strong enough for full quiet- And that's over 3000 miles' difference from Ottawa, Ontario, Canada to Humboldt County, California, USA, and just on the built-in whip on a cheap SW radio. Part 15 can be done pretty strongly on a slice of the 13MHz band- I think the power equivalent of at least 3 watts, and there have been p.15 experimentors there that have reported global reception, so... Yes. You really don't NEED alot of flamethrower power for SW broadcasting, and you can do Part 15 anywhere under 10MHz as well as the 13MHz slice, just as long as you DON'T interfere with another properly- allocated service. I honestly would like to see flea-power AMS on the shortwave bands. It can be done. There are at least 2 hams using some form of AMS in their communications, and at least one p.15 experimentor has experimented broadcasting on SW, as far as I know- The moderator of this forum. So... Why not? ;) If WBCQ can use their own version of Powerside on SW, why not stereo? That's the next frontier. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Oct 17 15:53:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33458 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2004 22:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2004 22:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80405.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2004 22:53:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20041017225340.92592.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.61.173.103] by web80405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:53:40 PDT Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:53:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.79.60 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If it bursts into flames, it was the VaporPhase Harris/Gates rig. The MW 50 was not bad for its time. wgliradio wrote: If it bursts into flames, it's an MW-50. Horrible transmitter. The 317 is a much better rig. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 17 15:58:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83244 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2004 22:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2004 22:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52403.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.111) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2004 22:58:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20041017225820.18780.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.115] by web52403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:58:20 PDT Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:58:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.111 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- wgliradio wrote: > If it bursts into flames, it's an MW-50. Only the earlier ones did AND only when you didn't do your duty and let the modulator tube get VERY soft. > Horrible transmitter. The 317 is a much better rig. Any transmitter is horrible if you abuse it... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Oct 17 22:49:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4011 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2004 05:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2004 05:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2004 05:49:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2004 05:48:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2004 05:48:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 05:47:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041017225820.18780.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 667 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.173.128 Subject: Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- wgliradio wrote: > > > > If it bursts into flames, it's an MW-50. > > Only the earlier ones did AND only when you didn't do > your duty and let the modulator tube get VERY soft. > > > > Horrible transmitter. The 317 is a much better rig. > > Any transmitter is horrible if you abuse it... > True... but there are some rigs that were best left to the junkpile. Most of the MW series rigs (including 50's) I've seen left much to be desired and were maintained well. I believe the WABC rig on ebay was one of the first ones off the line. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Oct 18 14:31:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95747 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2004 21:31:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2004 21:31:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.189) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2004 21:31:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:31:00 -0700 Received: from 24.129.153.213 by BAY12-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:30:15 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20041017225340.92592.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:12:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2004 21:31:00.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[C36501B0:01C4B559] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.189 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.129.153.213] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 David Gleason wrote: > If it bursts into flames, it was the VaporPhase Harris/Gates rig. The MW 50 was not bad for its time. LOL Ain't that the TRUTH! I sure spent my share of time bringing a VP-50 back from the dead! Of the high power tube rigs, I like the RCAs and Western Electric transmitters the best. If I was going to buy a new transmitter today, It would be a BE. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 18 16:20:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41907 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2004 23:20:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2004 23:20:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52404.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.112) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2004 23:20:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20041018231959.48319.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.103] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:19:59 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:19:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.112 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- wgliradio wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > --- wgliradio wrote: > > > If it bursts into flames, it's an MW-50. > > Only the earlier ones did AND only when you didn't > do > > your duty and let the modulator tube get VERY > soft. > > > > > > > Horrible transmitter. The 317 is a much better > rig. > > > > Any transmitter is horrible if you abuse it... > > > > True... but there are some rigs that were best left > to the junkpile. > Most of the MW series rigs (including 50's) I've > seen left much to be > desired and were maintained well. True, but I'd rather have the MW than a McMartin.... heh heh! > I believe the WABC rig on ebay was one of the first > ones off the line. I'm not sure. There has been a discussion about this unit over on Broadcast.net... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 18 16:21:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42701 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2004 23:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2004 23:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52401.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.109) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2004 23:21:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20041018232135.9431.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.103] by web52401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:21:35 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:21:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.109 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > David Gleason wrote: > > If it bursts into flames, it was the VaporPhase > Harris/Gates rig. The MW > 50 was not bad for its time. > > LOL Ain't that the TRUTH! I sure spent my share of > time bringing a VP-50 > back from the dead! Of the high power tube rigs, I > like the RCAs and Western > Electric transmitters the best. If I was going to > buy a new transmitter > today, It would be a BE. > > Kevin in Tampa Of the lower powered BE, though, you had BETTER get the tuning unit with it or else not have ANY other AM stations within 15 miles. I wonder if the technology on this new 50 KW unit (it's about TIME Harris got some competetion) will filter down to lower powered units. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon Oct 18 17:46:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59253 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2004 00:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2004 00:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2004 00:46:00 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.38.183]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:45:53 -0600 Message-ID: <002401c4b575$a0b2f3e0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20041018232135.9431.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:50:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2004 00:45:54.0380 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD4E08C0:01C4B574] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They've had competition from Nautel and Continental for years. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > I wonder if the technology on this new 50 KW unit > (it's about TIME Harris got some competetion) will > filter down to lower powered units. From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon Oct 18 17:49:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98081 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2004 00:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2004 00:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2004 00:49:51 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.38.183]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:49:45 -0600 Message-ID: <002501c4b576$2bc64900$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:54:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2004 00:49:47.0740 (UTC) FILETIME=[8865F1C0:01C4B575] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not Jewish, but a cultic strain of Christianity. Jews would never say God's name. I don't think they have it on the front page, but I'll bet www.equip.org would have info on the Assembly of Yahweh (not to be confused with the pentecostal Assembly of God.) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > One nearby licensed SW staiton is WMLK in Pennsylvania... you pass > right by their transmitter site when driving Westbound on I-78. They > even have signs for the station, listing the frequency. I believe it > is a Jewish religious station ("The Voice of Yahweh"). From amdavid@pacbell.net Mon Oct 18 18:34:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52523 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2004 01:34:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2004 01:34:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80408.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.63) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2004 01:34:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20041019013423.65671.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.160.23.173] by web80408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:34:23 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:34:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.79.63 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I spen some time looking at the BE 50 in San Diego. Impressive design, especially the Litz wire in the RF handling areas. Possum Hunter wrote: David Gleason wrote: > If it bursts into flames, it was the VaporPhase Harris/Gates rig. The MW 50 was not bad for its time. LOL Ain't that the TRUTH! I sure spent my share of time bringing a VP-50 back from the dead! Of the high power tube rigs, I like the RCAs and Western Electric transmitters the best. If I was going to buy a new transmitter today, It would be a BE. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 18 19:34:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56486 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2004 02:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2004 02:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52404.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.112) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2004 02:34:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20041019023359.10735.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.120] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:33:59 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:33:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002401c4b575$a0b2f3e0$d503fea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.112 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: 50 KW transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > They've had competition from Nautel and Continental > for years. > > ST Not from Continental. They haven't had a new design OR any AM stuff for years. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 18 19:35:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91384 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2004 02:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2004 02:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2004 02:35:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20041019023506.12657.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.120] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:35:06 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:35:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20041019013423.65671.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- David Gleason wrote: > I spen some time looking at the BE 50 in San Diego. > Impressive design, especially the Litz wire in the > RF handling areas. I read the press release and it does sound interesting. Now if that technology will filter down. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 18 19:36:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17880 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2004 02:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2004 02:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2004 02:36:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20041019023643.56694.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.120] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:36:43 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:36:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20041019013423.65671.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- David Gleason wrote: > I spen some time looking at the BE 50 in San Diego. > Impressive design, especially the Litz wire in the > RF handling areas. Do you know if any one has one on the air anywhere yet? Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Oct 18 20:13:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47557 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2004 03:13:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2004 03:13:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2004 03:13:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2004 03:13:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2004 03:13:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 03:13:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041019013423.65671.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 947 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.10 Subject: {AMSF} Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Gleason wrote: > I spen some time looking at the BE 50 in San Diego. Impressive > design, especially the Litz wire in the RF handling areas. If you want to be underwhelmed, visit 1170 WWTR in Bridgewater, NJ. Not only is their studio located in a construction trailer with no running water, but their 500-watt BE transmitter sits right behind the DJ's chair, in a rack the size of a two-drawer filing cabinet. One unique thing about WWTR is that when they sign off the air, their carrier doesn't drop cold, it gradually fades away. In fact if they have audio running when the TX is shut off, you can still hear it as the signal fades away. My best guess is that this is because they're shutting the entire transmitter off at sign-off, rather than doing whatever you'd call the solid-state equivalent of hitting the "Plates Off" button while the filament power remains on. From amdavid@pacbell.net Mon Oct 18 20:30:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38120 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2004 03:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2004 03:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80409.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2004 03:30:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20041019032957.69079.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.160.23.173] by web80409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:29:57 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:29:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20041019023643.56694.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.79.64 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The one at the convention looked like the final prototype. All the software controls were working, and ready for installation of the power modules. I think it is model 00001. "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: --- David Gleason wrote: > I spen some time looking at the BE 50 in San Diego. > Impressive design, especially the Litz wire in the > RF handling areas. Do you know if any one has one on the air anywhere yet? Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Mon Oct 18 20:32:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82564 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2004 03:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2004 03:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80406.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2004 03:32:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20041019033247.69159.qmail@web80406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.160.23.173] by web80406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:32:47 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:32:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.79.61 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I watched a 100 kw Nautel AM turn off this way, too. I think it is a design feature to ramp up and ramp down rather than do a hot or cold start and stop. The Nautel did it very fast, in about 2 seconds. On the other hand, they could instantly switch the 100 to the 30 kw AUX without that feature. "Kevin T." wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Gleason wrote: > I spen some time looking at the BE 50 in San Diego. Impressive > design, especially the Litz wire in the RF handling areas. If you want to be underwhelmed, visit 1170 WWTR in Bridgewater, NJ. Not only is their studio located in a construction trailer with no running water, but their 500-watt BE transmitter sits right behind the DJ's chair, in a rack the size of a two-drawer filing cabinet. One unique thing about WWTR is that when they sign off the air, their carrier doesn't drop cold, it gradually fades away. In fact if they have audio running when the TX is shut off, you can still hear it as the signal fades away. My best guess is that this is because they're shutting the entire transmitter off at sign-off, rather than doing whatever you'd call the solid-state equivalent of hitting the "Plates Off" button while the filament power remains on. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Mon Oct 18 20:33:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85242 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2004 03:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2004 03:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80405.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.60) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2004 03:33:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20041019033329.57962.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.160.23.173] by web80405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:33:29 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:33:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20041019023643.56694.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.79.60 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I do know it is IBOC ready.... ;-) "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: --- David Gleason wrote: > I spen some time looking at the BE 50 in San Diego. > Impressive design, especially the Litz wire in the > RF handling areas. Do you know if any one has one on the air anywhere yet? Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Oct 19 02:03:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96435 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2004 09:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2004 09:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2004 09:03:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2004 09:03:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2004 09:03:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:03:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041019033247.69159.qmail@web80406.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 897 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.10 Subject: Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Gleason wrote: > I watched a 100 kw Nautel AM turn off this way, too. I think it is > a design feature to ramp up and ramp down rather than do a hot or > cold start and stop. The Nautel did it very fast, in about 2 > seconds. That sounds like what WWTR's little BE box is doing. One time I was listening to them when they took a lightning hit -- I saw the flash of lightning and then within a few seconds the signal faded away, with the music still playing... vaguely reminiscent of the Titanic. :-) And speaking of a 100 kW Nautel... I wonder, are any U.S./Canadian AM stations using transmiters rated for that kind of power? I know 60 kW Nautels are being used by some 50 kW U.S. stations, but I wonder if any have gone for a 100 kW rig (or higher), "just in case" they ever have a chance to make use of that extra power.... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Oct 19 02:07:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21117 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2004 09:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2004 09:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2004 09:07:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2004 09:07:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2004 09:07:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:07:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041019033329.57962.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 161 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.10 Subject: Re: {AMSF} The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Gleason wrote: > I do know it is IBOC ready.... ;-) Does it have digital-ready Fahnestock clips? From amdavid@pacbell.net Tue Oct 19 07:59:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45354 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2004 14:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2004 14:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80402.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.57) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2004 14:59:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20041019145801.63436.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.26.158.97] by web80402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 07:58:01 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 07:58:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.79.57 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am on a slow connection, so I can't check the rules. But I believe there is a restriction on max power above lcensed power. "Kevin T." wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Gleason wrote: > I watched a 100 kw Nautel AM turn off this way, too. I think it is > a design feature to ramp up and ramp down rather than do a hot or > cold start and stop. The Nautel did it very fast, in about 2 > seconds. That sounds like what WWTR's little BE box is doing. One time I was listening to them when they took a lightning hit -- I saw the flash of lightning and then within a few seconds the signal faded away, with the music still playing... vaguely reminiscent of the Titanic. :-) And speaking of a 100 kW Nautel... I wonder, are any U.S./Canadian AM stations using transmiters rated for that kind of power? I know 60 kW Nautels are being used by some 50 kW U.S. stations, but I wonder if any have gone for a 100 kW rig (or higher), "just in case" they ever have a chance to make use of that extra power.... Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Tue Oct 19 17:53:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7671 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 00:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2004 00:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80406.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 00:53:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20041020005313.74226.qmail@web80406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.160.23.173] by web80406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:53:13 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:53:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.79.61 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, the clips are analog. "Kevin T." wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Gleason wrote: > I do know it is IBOC ready.... ;-) Does it have digital-ready Fahnestock clips? Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Oct 19 20:20:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65460 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 03:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2004 03:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51610.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.215) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 03:20:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20041020031940.30585.qmail@web51610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.83.26] by web51610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:19:40 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:19:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.215 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Fwd: Question about radio that it on your website....help please? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Maybe someone who is more knowledgeable of Ford radios can help Toni? I don't believe she's a member of this group, so if you have a reply, please e-mail it to her directly. > From: "gengirl" > To: > Subject: Question about radio that it on your website....help please? > Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:22:57 -0400 > > Kev....I have been looking around for a radio for my 1993 Ford Explorer. > I found one with the parts number and I put that number into Google and > it went to your website. This is it: > > F37F-18C815-AE (with CD player and separate amplifier) > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/fordcd.jpg > > My radio went out in my 1993 Ford Explorer and was told that I would > have to have another radio that my seperate amplifier could use. The > radio that is kaput (broken) is a cassette version and I was told that I > could plug in the same radio as the pic (CD)above as long as it would use > the amplifier that is in the back of the vehicle under the trim pieces. > > > My question is this: > > So this radio as pictured above is the same part number as the one that I > have viewed, but your pic says that has a seperate amplifier - so will > this one work for me as I have a seperate amplifier? > > Please let me know as soon as you can.... > Thanks, > > Toni Lasseter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Oct 19 21:11:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55262 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 04:11:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2004 04:11:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52402.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.110) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 04:11:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20041020041107.96540.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.107] by web52402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:11:07 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:11:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20041019032957.69079.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.110 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- David Gleason wrote: > The one at the convention looked like the final > prototype. All the software controls were working, > and ready for installation of the power modules. I > think it is model 00001. When a friend of mine worked the SE for sales for Harris, I was tempted to take a BLANK Gates ( a real old one) transmitter plate and make it up to show serial number 000001 for a 3DX-1. He gave up Harris to go to work for one of the major FM antenna companies. I expect a 3DX-1 would have been a better idea than the DAX series. I heard from an engineer that is very "pernsnickity" when it comes to running IBOC where as the 3DX series is not. I guess it's better than trying to do this with a Gates 1 /5 series. It (the DAX series ) OUGHT not be. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Oct 19 21:12:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18757 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 04:12:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2004 04:12:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 04:12:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20041020041232.21080.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.107] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:12:32 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:12:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20041019033329.57962.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- David Gleason wrote: > I do know it is IBOC ready.... ;-) Yes, LOL! I would HOPE so. I'm glad I just finished this cola...... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Oct 20 01:58:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 36776 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 08:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2004 08:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 08:58:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2004 08:58:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2004 08:58:36 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66395 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 00:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2004 00:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 00:28:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2004 00:27:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2004 00:27:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:27:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 605 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Oct 2004 08:58:31 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 as in the 5kHz audio that would make a telephone sound like a DVD... I'd also like to see the rules set up so that IBOC must conform to that. Also, I'd like stations running C-Quam (and if other ppl would like, Kahn AM Stereo) to be exempt from any NRSC mask (or make it so they can transmit up to at least 10 kHz, and maybe up to 22.05kHz). (only analog am stereo stations would be exempt though - IBOC stations would have the analog portion of the audio be able to go up to whatever they want it to at -3dB, but as soon as they get to the analog cutoff before they start the IBOC, it goes to -240dB. From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Oct 20 09:41:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53054 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 16:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2004 16:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 16:41:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2004 16:41:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2004 16:41:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:41:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1181 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Don't worry - for a few years there will be AM IBOC, but the more I study it, the more I realize the whole thing will self implode after that. It will only leave CAM-D and C-Quam as options for stations that want better quality audio. But we have a few tough years before everybody realizes the engineering for AM IBOC is faulty. I now have data sheets for several more single chip radio IC's. Every application circuit shows one ceramic filter, wide as a barn door, for AM. That means that wideband AM receivers (with horrible selectivity), will dominate the marketplace in a few years. Every one of them will hear a horrible hissing on AM IBOC stations, as the 5 to 10 kHz sidebands mix with analog audio. No way that will fly with the public! I notice our good friend Tom has yet to de-bunk this disturbing aspect of AM IBOC. I invited him to look at the issue himself and confirm my findings. The silence is deafening - but NOT on IBOC stations heard with cheap analog radios!!! The moment we get one local in Dallas, I will make a dozen MP3's of different cheap radios and post them on the internet for all to hear - the self-jamming of AM IBOC! From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Oct 20 13:51:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85378 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 20:51:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2004 20:51:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 20:51:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2004 20:51:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2004 20:50:41 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66654 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 19:29:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2004 19:29:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 19:29:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2004 19:29:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2004 19:29:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:29:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 7978 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.95 Subject: Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Oct 2004 20:50:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > Don't worry - for a few years there will be AM IBOC, but the more I > study it, the more I realize the whole thing will self implode after > that. It will only leave CAM-D and C-Quam as options for stations > that want better quality audio. But we have a few tough years > before everybody realizes the engineering for AM IBOC is faulty. Yes, it will implode, for several different reasons. I've been saying this for years, because of several major flaws in the very theory of IBOC broadcasting. AM IBOC, as you noted, is indeed faulty. It's actually a direct violation of the FCC's own rules concerning interference generated by the station. Many stations have been canned, or at the very least, fined, for causing interference prior to IBOC. So why IBOC? I'll get to that as I go along. AM IBOC underperforms. Yes, it's "noise-free" reception, but as anyone understands how digital audio over the air works, hybrid or not, when it drops out, it drops out rather spectacularly. And very annoyingly. And not really noise-free when it does, and the radio drops to analog...with noise, and even lower-quality audio. And hiss. But let's talk about how IBOC advertises itself to John Q. Public, shall we? John Q. Public doesn't have an IBOC radio to begin with, but he notices several things about the station he's listening to. And they're not good things. But John Q. Public is the very consumer IBOC needs to survive, so how does John Q. Public react? Well.... His radio can't lock onto the station. This problem has been reported with digitally-tuned radios that try to tune into a reasonably strong local signal with IBOC... "OK, bypass me, 'cos I'm better! Really!" It's noisy on either side of an IBOC station. I was listening to that station now buried under the noise! The noise is mixing WITH the IBOC station, making it furtherly annoying-- The self-jamming effect noted here and elsewhere. So it can broadcast this annoying hiss that jams both the station itself and any adjacent stations at least 3 channels away, the station needs to drop audio frequency response sharply (somewhere between 5 and 8 kHz, depending on the IBOC mode in use), producing less than stellar sound....especially if's at the 5 kHz mode. Then, of course, John Q. Public has no clue about IBOC- No promotion, no explanation, nothing. John Q. Public doesn't know that what he's hearing is an IBOC station, just that he thinks something's gone horribly wrong. But if he knows that the station is an "IBOC" (note quotes) station, he may be less than impressed with what he hears. And of course, just as with AM stereo a few decades before, John Q. Public probably doesn't realise he can't hear "digital" on his AM radio. (Now, how many times did I hear, when I was young, "This station claims to be stereo but isn't, 'cos it ain't stereo on my radio!" There was this assumption that just because a stereo had AM on it, and the station claimed to be stereo, they should be hearing AM stereo WITHOUT that special receiver that decodes the stereo signal. That idea just didn't dawn on many, that some new way of transmitting audio requires a new radio.) John Q. Public can't afford the steep prices of the radios, IF he can find them. (AMS radios weren't that expensive when introduced, although more expensive than the typical radio- My first AMS radio, an SRF-A100, was bought for $75 in 1985. Still, though, they were hard to find- Tracking down an AMS receiver was never easy, unless you bought a new car from the Big Three automakers. It's still pretty much the same today, although NOW there are no domesticly sold AMS radios....except for those that come in new American cars, and a few Japanese & German cars, as well.) Then John Q. Public needs to ask himself, if it is worth the $300- $500 or more to get an IBOC receiver, considering the stations broadcast the same thing that was there before. What real value is added for John Q. Public? Song titles? Weather? TIS? We can get that with RDS on FM...if we have an RDS-capable receiver. (The only aftermarket RDS radios in the US are auto radios. You actually have to get RDS portables from Roberts in the UK- Particularly the BBC World Service model, which has a nice, big display, but might set you back a couple hundred.) But there is one thing John Q. Public won't notice until it's too late: IBOC is proprietary, deliberately for the sake of money, but several factors could contribute to its demise-- An underwhelmed John Q. Public who is not likely to invest in an IBOC receiver, unless itr already comes with his new Ford (this did AMS in, assuredly); a weak company owning the system (Lucent is banking on IBOC for its very survival through its partnerships with other investors in iBiquity-- Lucent is in very poor straits, and has performed underwhelmingly for at least the last decade. Lastly, the profit margin to invest in an albatross- and that's EXACTLY what IBOC is- will be gone ones the patents revert to public domain in a decade's time. IBOC serves just two purposes: Quick profit for Lucent and the manufacturers by getting as many as possible to buy IBOC at the broadcasting end. The other, being that it's MAD-- Mutually-Assured Destruction. In other words, the total annihilation of broadcast radio by driving away the very end customers needed- The very listeners stations need to survive. IBOC makes the bands unblistenable and unafforadable to the vast majority of people. Isn't listenership the "raison d'etre" of broadcasting? Put it simply, broadcasters are shooting themselves in their collective feet by plunging into IBOC-- Nevermind the technical difficulties, but how John Q. Public is involved...or not, considering how broadcasting companies seem to operate these days. Most advertising has become B2B lately, anyway. The public is out of the picture. "Radio Ga-Ga", indeed. > I now have data sheets for several more single chip radio IC's. > Every application circuit shows one ceramic filter, wide as a barn > door, for AM. That means that wideband AM receivers (with horrible > selectivity), will dominate the marketplace in a few years. Every > one of them will hear a horrible hissing on AM IBOC stations, as the > 5 to 10 kHz sidebands mix with analog audio. No way that will fly > with the public! Of course not! Cheap is as cheap does. And then there's the "off" switch if the tuning becomes fruitless.... Just the opposite of Timothy Leary is going on, here- Instead of turning on and tuningt in, it's turning off and tuning out. Radio is a disaster. > I notice our good friend Tom has yet to de-bunk this disturbing > aspect of AM IBOC. I invited him to look at the issue himself and > confirm my findings. The silence is deafening - but NOT on IBOC > stations heard with cheap analog radios!!! Actually, I think he did-- Analog doesn't matter, so what happens on the analog side just doesn't matter to him. He wants to cater to the few hundred or so IBOC receivers in the NYC area rather than be transparent enough to support the MILLIONS of analog radios (about a tenth of which are AMS) in the region. On technical grounds, IBOC stinks. On non-technical grounds, IBOC stinks. It's lose-lose for everybody, and that's just plain wrong. WOR could've invested the $120,000 spend just on IBOC equipment on more affordable, more beneficial inprovements that would've not impacted the New York listening audience, except in the positive. IBOC's liabilities outweigh any benefits, as I see it. It's not worth the investment. > The moment we get one local in Dallas, I will make a dozen MP3's of > different cheap radios and post them on the internet for all to > hear - the self-jamming of AM IBOC! It will be a sad day when WBAP drops C-QUAM, that's for sure. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Oct 20 13:54:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19169 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 20:54:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2004 20:54:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 20:54:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2004 20:54:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2004 20:54:01 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42516 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 19:37:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2004 19:37:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 19:37:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2004 19:37:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2004 19:37:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:37:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1722 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Oct 2004 20:54:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 Next time I go to Los Angeles or Riverside (btw I'm going to Riverside this Sunday) should I make recordings of either KFI, KMXE, or KTNQ with an SRF-42, RQ-SW20, $5 Lennox radio, Sony D-NS921F MP3 CD Player, and a few cheap radios my dad has? Also, maybe I should make up a crystal set next time I go to L.A. and record a little bit off of KFI (we go right by their transmitter on the way to our destination usually). --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > Don't worry - for a few years there will be AM IBOC, but the more I > study it, the more I realize the whole thing will self implode after > that. It will only leave CAM-D and C-Quam as options for stations > that want better quality audio. But we have a few tough years > before everybody realizes the engineering for AM IBOC is faulty. > > I now have data sheets for several more single chip radio IC's. > Every application circuit shows one ceramic filter, wide as a barn > door, for AM. That means that wideband AM receivers (with horrible > selectivity), will dominate the marketplace in a few years. Every > one of them will hear a horrible hissing on AM IBOC stations, as the > 5 to 10 kHz sidebands mix with analog audio. No way that will fly > with the public! > > I notice our good friend Tom has yet to de-bunk this disturbing > aspect of AM IBOC. I invited him to look at the issue himself and > confirm my findings. The silence is deafening - but NOT on IBOC > stations heard with cheap analog radios!!! > > The moment we get one local in Dallas, I will make a dozen MP3's of > different cheap radios and post them on the internet for all to > hear - the self-jamming of AM IBOC! From dougharding@bellsouth.net Wed Oct 20 14:41:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73645 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 21:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2004 21:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 21:41:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2004 21:41:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2004 21:41:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:41:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041019033329.57962.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 72 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.100 Subject: Re: {AMSF} The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Do all the BE transmitters still come with C-quam AM Stereo built in? From amdavid@pacbell.net Wed Oct 20 15:14:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4251 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 22:14:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2004 22:14:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80404.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 22:14:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20041020221432.89057.qmail@web80404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.124.121.10] by web80404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:14:32 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:14:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.79.59 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not the new ones. They are built to accomodate the IBOC system. douglasharding wrote: Do all the BE transmitters still come with C-quam AM Stereo built in? Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Oct 20 16:44:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31800 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 23:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2004 23:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 23:44:22 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.17.216]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:44:20 -0600 Message-ID: <003b01c4b6ff$5ef75640$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:48:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2004 23:44:21.0322 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8E59AA0:01C4B6FE] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Put it on the web too and email the link to Radio World once it's up. I'll bet they'd publish it and it would create quite the firestorm. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Carter" > > The moment we get one local in Dallas, I will make a dozen MP3's of > different cheap radios and post them on the internet for all to > hear - the self-jamming of AM IBOC! From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Oct 20 16:51:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43905 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 23:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2004 23:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 23:51:30 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.17.216]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:51:29 -0600 Message-ID: <004501c4b700$5e5aaba0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:56:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2004 23:51:29.0683 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8384E30:01C4B6FF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Don't know of anyone who has bought a BE AM transmitter recently, though I know even as of a couple years ago they could be ordered with it at no extra charge. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "douglasharding" > > Do all the BE transmitters still come with C-quam AM Stereo built in? From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Oct 20 16:52:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80024 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 23:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2004 23:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 23:52:58 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.17.216]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:52:56 -0600 Message-ID: <004d01c4b700$92682bc0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:57:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2004 23:52:57.0064 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC4D9680:01C4B6FF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That would be an interesting comparison. By all means do some recording. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > > Next time I go to Los Angeles or Riverside (btw I'm going to Riverside > this Sunday) should I make recordings of either KFI, KMXE, or KTNQ > with an SRF-42, RQ-SW20, $5 Lennox radio, Sony D-NS921F MP3 CD Player, > and a few cheap radios my dad has? From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Oct 20 16:56:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57945 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 23:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2004 23:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 23:56:23 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.17.216]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:56:21 -0600 Message-ID: <005301c4b701$0cf2b720$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:00:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2004 23:56:22.0662 (UTC) FILETIME=[66D95A60:01C4B700] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude According to Andy Laird over at Journal Broadcasting, getting a good load match at the transmitter is the key to reducing the self-jamming. Wish I had the time to boogie over to Milwaukee and listen to WTMJ on a variety of receivers when I went to the Broadcasters Clinic last week, but the schedule was full enough already. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > The noise is mixing WITH the IBOC station, making it furtherly > annoying-- The self-jamming effect noted here and elsewhere. > From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Oct 20 16:59:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6273 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 23:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2004 23:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 23:59:56 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.17.216]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:59:54 -0600 Message-ID: <005f01c4b701$8bdec7e0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20041020041107.96540.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:04:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2004 23:59:55.0561 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5BF2990:01C4B700] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They tried installing a DAX-5 at the Watertown MN station and found it was so load sensitive they had to design and build a new phasor, and that was *without* IBOC. Station is still off the air. That old tube Collins 820 (now in my collection) could handle it just fine. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > I expect a 3DX-1 would have been a better idea than > the DAX series. I heard from an engineer that is very > "pernsnickity" when it comes to running IBOC where as > the 3DX series is not. From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Oct 20 17:01:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65839 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 00:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 00:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 00:01:01 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.17.216]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:00:55 -0600 Message-ID: <006701c4b701$aff2ed00$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:05:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2004 00:00:56.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[09D1C810:01C4B701] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 50 kW AM transmitter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Or the filter caps are discharging... ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > > One unique thing about WWTR is that when they sign off the air, their > carrier doesn't drop cold, it gradually fades away. In fact if they > have audio running when the TX is shut off, you can still hear it as > the signal fades away. My best guess is that this is because they're > shutting the entire transmitter off at sign-off, rather than doing > whatever you'd call the solid-state equivalent of hitting the "Plates > Off" button while the filament power remains on. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Oct 20 18:18:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56726 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 01:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 01:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 01:18:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 01:18:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 01:18:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:18:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005f01c4b701$8bdec7e0$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2270 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.5 Subject: Re: {AMSF} The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > They tried installing a DAX-5 at the Watertown MN station and found > it was so load sensitive they had to design and build a new phasor, > and that was *without* IBOC. Station is still off the air. That > old tube Collins 820 (now in my collection) could handle it just > fine. Perhaps Tom can explain this better than me, but during the big Northeast blackout last summer, WOR put their old Continental 317C on the air because it was better at handling the voltage fluctuations that the TX site was experiencing than the solid-state DX-50. WOR's studios in NYC lost power during the blackout, but their transmitter site across the river did not -- although the areas that didn't lose power experienced sags and surges; as one engineer reported in the alt.radio.broadcasting group that day (August 14, 2003): > > "This afternoon just after 4:00 PM the powerline hiccupped. The voltage became unstable, peaking at 147V and dipping to 79V, according to my Kill-a-watt voltmeter, which I believe to be reasonably accurate. At first the line dipped to around 90V, and bounced around 100V. Then for about an hour the line would cycle up and down from 95V to 140V. The average period of a cycle was around a half minute. I shut down all the devices with compressors (air conditioners, fridges and a dehumidifier). Then things got more stable, but hot. Like around 145V! I also unplugged most all electronic loads like TVs, VCRs, and this computer. Now (8PM EDT) the line is reasonably stable at a normal voltage, 120V. My location is Oradell NJ, Bergen County, northeast NJ, and fed by Public Service Electric and Gas. Oddly enough, back in the blackout of the mid sixties, we did not lose power then here either." < < It would be difficult to keep any microprocessor-controlled, AC-powered device running smoothly during those kind of conditions; for example, computers are designed to force their CPU into a continuous reset mode until the DC supply voltage falls within a certain range. Thus if the AC supply sags and the device's power supply can't keep the DC flowing at a fairly constant voltage, then the CPU resets itself, which is equally a headache for a computer as it is for a microprocessor-controlled radio transmitter. From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Oct 20 19:57:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83630 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 02:57:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 02:57:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.137) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 02:57:19 -0000 Received: from storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id CE1FAD65C; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id TAA25720; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:57:07 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRHS9N4tBAiNjF4Ov6JQ10RjGYouAIVAML5L6ncYDhD3dnnLPaoo6mBACvW Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:57:07 -0500 To: stodd@mailpobox.com (Scott Todd), gengirl@comcast.net Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com Message-ID: <3649-41772583-3522@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Scott Todd" 's message of Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:07:35 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.137 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: Fw: {AMSF} Fwd: Question about radio that it on your website....help please? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, Toni, My recollection is that the Din size cassette radio was made in both the low level and high level output. So you have to look carefully at the back of them. The high level has parallel 7, 8 pin black and grey connector(s) for the power, & speakers, The Low level had the row of power 7, 8 power connector pins, and a separate square I belive 12 pin connector. The low level cassette radio with the square plug should be the right one compatible with the low level CD radio. THE radio IS ( and MUST be) a low level version when feed into the Amp. Don't lose the square pin connection cable to the amp, as they are expensive and hard to replace. Bill Snyder - Omaha Ex- Ford Radio repair station employee Hope this helps!! Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Oct 20 19:57:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85170 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 02:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 02:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 02:57:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 02:57:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 02:57:53 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83989 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 01:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 01:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 01:39:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 01:39:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 01:39:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:39:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 450 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 21 Oct 2004 02:57:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 WBAP is C-Quam? If I can pull in a signal from San Diego, CA, on my SRF-42 with a Select-A-Tenna, I'll see if I can get an aircheck of it. XEMVS from Mexicali is likely to be a problem, though.... (but I shouldn't have problems from KMXE cause they usually shut off their IBOC at night) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > It will be a sad day when WBAP drops C-QUAM, that's for sure. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Wed Oct 20 20:18:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15129 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 03:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 03:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 03:18:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 03:18:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 03:18:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:18:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1104 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "dbdigital2004" X-Originating-IP: 69.3.128.50 Subject: Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 Those are all very good points, Amy. In fact, whenever I mention digital radio to just people in general, they think I'm talking about XM or Sirius satellite radio, not IBOC or HD radio. In this case because satellite radio was first out of the gate and is so well advertised, it has become the perceived standard for digital radio. Some have even talked about getting a receiver. So given those factors plus the lack of awareness of IBOC on the part of the public coupled with the painful testing and unresolved issues that IBOC is going through, I have to wonder what IBOC's future really will be. In contrast, apparently Europeans are already clued into DRM and are buying radios to receive it. Speaking of satellite radio, Saul Levine, who owns some radio stations in the L.A. area, is pushing to get the FCC to regulate and censor satellite radio in the same way that terrestrial stations are regulated for content. Since satellite radio is subscription only, I can't see that happening. It's like the FCC forcing all the women on the Playboy Channel to remain fully clothed. db From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Oct 20 20:19:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52476 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 03:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 03:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.177) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 03:19:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:19:01 -0700 Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY12-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:18:30 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:18:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2004 03:19:01.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5F731A0:01C4B71C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.177 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: >during the big Northeast blackout last summer, WOR put their old Continental 317C on the air because it was better at handling the voltage fluctuations that the TX site was experiencing than the solid-state DX-50. As a general rule, Tube electronics can handle MUCH more abuse then Solid-State electronics. This was the selling point that CCA Electronics was pushing to sell their new but obsolete on the day of manufacture tube type transmitters.There was almost NO difference between a 1960's vintage CCA transmitter and one made in 2002! CCA's ads were correct: Grounded Grid FM transmitters and all-tube Class C Plate Modulated AM transmitters are damn near lightning-proof. Tube transmitters have many advantages: They can take a LOT of abuse. They are immune to noise and spikes on the electrical mains, They hold up better in high heat and high humidity, They make a nice warm sounding "Fat" easy to tune signal, They keep the transmitter shack warm on the coldest mornings...and NOTHING sounds sweeter than a good Plate Modulated AM transmitter. My ears say the RCA BTA 1S is the best sounding transmitter ever produced! The BTA 1R is a very close second. I must admit that I did LOVE the way that 1510 WJKI's Gates BC1G sounded after I re-built it, and 1440 WQOK had a wonderful sounding BC5H The BAD things about tube transmitters are: They create lots of heat, Parts are nearly impossible to find, even once very common parts such as tubes are getting VERY expensive and hard to find. They require almost constant maintenance by a qualified engineer, and tube qualified engineers are a dying breed. They can be hard to make work with analog AM Stereo or DRM, and cannot be made to work with HD Radio. The main thing that has more stations converting to all solid state is the cost of electricity. Due to the reduced cost of parts, man hours, and electricity, replacing a tube transmitter with a good Solid State transmitter will pay for itself in just a couple of years. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Oct 20 23:37:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7382 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 06:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 06:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 06:37:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 06:36:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 06:36:27 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60947 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 03:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 03:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 03:11:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 03:11:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 03:11:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:10:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 187 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.95 Subject: Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 21 Oct 2004 06:36:27 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > > > WBAP is C-Quam? Yup. http://tinyurl.com/3ok3w http://tinyurl.com/3vtro Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomray@wor710.com Thu Oct 21 05:28:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28156 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 12:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 12:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 12:28:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 12:28:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 12:28:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:28:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1247 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Perhaps Tom can explain this better than me, but during the big > Northeast blackout last summer, WOR put their old Continental 317C on > the air because it was better at handling the voltage fluctuations > that the TX site was experiencing than the solid-state DX-50. WOR's > studios in NYC lost power during the blackout, but their transmitter > site across the river did not -- Actually, the WOR transmitter lost power for almost 7 hours and we ran on generator. When commercial power was restored, the power line was very unstable, with rather severe imbalances between the power line phases. The DX-50 itself doesn't seem to mind these things....the internal monitoring circuits in the transmitter, however, take exception to power line imbalances. So the transmitter kept shutting itself off as it was told to do so by the protection circuits. The old relay control ladders in the 317C-1 don't mind imbalances or anything....as long as it has enough power to hold in a relay, it will run. We could have solved the issue by simply running the genny.....but Kerry took the overnight, and decided to put the beast on the air instead. Tom Ray WOR From kya1260@lycos.com Thu Oct 21 07:07:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20216 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 14:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 14:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 14:07:45 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id A528C180568A for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:07:24 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 21 Oct 2004 14:03:18 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AD89E3384C; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:03:03 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:02:58 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:02:58 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20041021140303.AD89E3384C@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Jay Arnold" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.95.242 Subject: Saul Levine; orig. Re: {AMSF} If NRSC mask=changed2what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "dbdigital2004" Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:18:25 -0000 > Speaking of satellite radio, Saul Levine, who owns some radio stations > = in the L.A. area, is pushing to get the FCC to regulate and censor=20 > satellite radio in the same way that terrestrial stations are regulated >= for content.=20=20 > Since satellite radio is subscription only, I can't see that=20 > happening. It's like the FCC forcing all the women on the Playboy=20 > Channel to remain fully clothed.=20 > db I agree; I don't see this happening, either... Saul Levine, a man who also owns 1510 KC in San Rafael, CA (near San Francisco), and who changes formats on that station as often as we change our underwear (it's formerly AM Stereo KNOB 1510, then a Jazz station)... --jay --=20 _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Oct 21 07:36:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69802 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 14:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 14:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 14:36:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 14:35:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 14:35:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:35:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 545 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > It will be a sad day when WBAP drops C-QUAM, that's for sure. Every time I see them at a remote, I go up and thank them for broadcasting C-Quam. Since it is usually manned by a different team each time, they may think there is a real mandate in the area for C- Quam! A bit underhanded, I know. I also thanked Ford at the state fair for AM stereo in their car radios. And I stopped by Radio Disney and thank them for AM stereo every chance I get. And I make sure I tell everybody I talk to like that that AM IBOC will self jam. From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Oct 21 07:38:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27584 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 14:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 14:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 14:38:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 14:38:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 14:38:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:38:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 787 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > Next time I go to Los Angeles or Riverside (btw I'm going to Riverside > this Sunday) should I make recordings of either KFI, KMXE, or KTNQ > with an SRF-42, RQ-SW20, $5 Lennox radio, Sony D-NS921F MP3 CD Player, > and a few cheap radios my dad has? > Also, maybe I should make up a crystal set next time I go to L.A. and > record a little bit off of KFI (we go right by their transmitter on > the way to our destination usually). Good for you!!! Lets get these examples on the web - if we can document the problem with a sufficient number of newly designed radios, I will personally fly up to Washington and talk to the FCC about the problem. They can't ignore actual examples of self- jamming! And I will have a typical receiver with me so I can do a live demonstration. From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Oct 21 07:39:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23839 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 14:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 14:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 14:39:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 14:39:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 14:39:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:39:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003b01c4b6ff$5ef75640$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 293 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: {AMSF} Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > Put it on the web too and email the link to Radio World once it's up. I'll > bet they'd publish it and it would create quite the firestorm. > > Scott Todd Good idea! It would work except that Radio World is nothing but a cheering section for IBOC. They are hardly an unbiased source. From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Oct 21 07:41:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37481 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 14:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 14:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 14:41:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 14:41:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 14:41:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:41:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005301c4b701$0cf2b720$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 632 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: {AMSF} Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > According to Andy Laird over at Journal Broadcasting, getting a good load > match at the transmitter is the key to reducing the self-jamming. Wish I > had the time to boogie over to Milwaukee and listen to WTMJ on a variety of > receivers when I went to the Broadcasters Clinic last week, but the schedule > was full enough already. Do you have his email address? I don't see how you can ever get around the fact that a sloppy, cheap IF ceramic filter that passes +/- 30 kHz will pass the digital sidebands from 5 to 10 kHz. Even if they are down 30 dB, that is still one heck of a loud hissing mixed in with audio. From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Oct 21 07:45:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37539 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 14:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 14:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 14:45:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 14:44:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 14:44:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:44:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 592 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > WBAP is C-Quam? Yes. And since they are often listed as the station with the best ground and skywave coverage in the country, so much for David Eduardo's contention that C-Quam limits coverage. I am about to de- bunk that one anyway next month, when I do a coverage study in a canyon 280 miles away from AM stereo stations. I already know that they hang in perfectly well, no coverage issues at all in the canyon - I will just be looking for platform distortion. I was just going to do Radio Disney 620, but adding WBAP, and why not KAAM as well would be an excellent idea. From amdavid@pacbell.net Thu Oct 21 09:52:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72525 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 16:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 16:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80405.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.60) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 16:52:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20041021165213.30188.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.124.121.10] by web80405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:52:13 PDT Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:52:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.79.60 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did not say it limits coverage. I said it created artifacts in the sharp null areas that made listening unpleasant on a directional station. Proof was an immediate improvement in diary returns in the areas behind the pattern, where we had never gotten any. This is about listenability, not field strength... which, of course, did not change. Bruce Carter wrote: > WBAP is C-Quam? Yes. And since they are often listed as the station with the best ground and skywave coverage in the country, so much for David Eduardo's contention that C-Quam limits coverage. I am about to de- bunk that one anyway next month, when I do a coverage study in a canyon 280 miles away from AM stereo stations. I already know that they hang in perfectly well, no coverage issues at all in the canyon - I will just be looking for platform distortion. I was just going to do Radio Disney 620, but adding WBAP, and why not KAAM as well would be an excellent idea. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Oct 21 11:48:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71149 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 18:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 18:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 18:48:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 18:47:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 18:47:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:47:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041021165213.30188.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 710 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: {AMSF} Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > I did not say it limits coverage. I am sorry for misinterpreting what you said, then. > This is about listenability, not field strength... which, of course, did not change. What do you think about the IBOC self-jamming issue on cheap radios, then? Surely, the presence of "static" on radios that previously had a clear signal is a listenability issue. Much worse than platform distortion, which I only hear on skywave C-Quam stations at night, and it was not that much of an annoyance. I foresee a massive "tune-out" on the AM band as it becomes noisier and noisier. The first stations to be tuned out will be the IBOC ones, and the public will get a horrible impression of HD radio for AM. From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Oct 21 14:44:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89929 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 21:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 21:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao07.cox.net) (68.230.241.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 21:44:38 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.5.10.101]) by fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20041021214436.QZPP9907.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:44:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:44:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20041021140303.AD89E3384C@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-Id: <660C25C7-23AA-11D9-8756-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.32 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: Saul Levine; orig. Re: {AMSF} If NRSC mask=changed2what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saul does the same thing down here with his AM. On Thursday, October 21, 2004, at 07:02 AM, Jay Arnold wrote: > Saul Levine, a man who also owns 1510 KC in San Rafael, CA (near > San Francisco), and who changes formats on that station as often > as we change our underwear (it's formerly AM Stereo KNOB 1510, > then a Jazz station)... > --jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Oct 21 15:31:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89789 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 22:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 22:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.177) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 22:31:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:31:00 -0700 Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY12-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:30:08 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:30:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2004 22:31:00.0610 (UTC) FILETIME=[A447FE20:01C4B7BD] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.177 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: The Beast (317C) Was: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > We could have solved the issue by simply running the genny.....but Kerry took the overnight, and decided to put the beast on the air instead. Could it be that Kerry actually LIKES the old beast? Perhaps after the transmitter upgrades, he will take the 317C home with him, set it up in a storage building, and drive it into a dummy load like I did with my RCA BTA1R. Kerry could create his very own neighborhood brownouts when he hits the plates! He could re-tune it for Short-wave and put WOR-International on the air with it...in CAM-D Stereo! ROFLMAO! OR....That 317C would make one helluva "Boat Anchor" rig for 80 Meters! Wonder what Kerry's wife would say to having her spot in the garage taken by a 50,000 Watt transmitter? You could send Kerry on a mini-vacation and when he gets home and opens the garage door....SURPRISE! There it will be hooked up, plumbed in, and the filaments glowing! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Oct 21 16:33:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98302 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 23:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 23:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 23:33:05 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.125.252]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:32:52 -0600 Message-ID: <002b01c4b7c6$f0df7340$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:37:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2004 23:32:53.0377 (UTC) FILETIME=[49434710:01C4B7C6] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude To an extent, yes, but not so much so that they won't print opposing data. After all they did have Leonard Kahn write an opinion piece for them recently. I fully expect they would print the link. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Carter" > > Put it on the web too and email the link to Radio World once it's > up. I'll > > bet they'd publish it and it would create quite the firestorm. > > > > Scott Todd > > Good idea! It would work except that Radio World is nothing but a > cheering section for IBOC. They are hardly an unbiased source. From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Oct 21 16:45:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55764 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 23:45:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 23:45:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 23:45:14 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.125.252]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:45:12 -0600 Message-ID: <003d01c4b7c8$a9b88180$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:49:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2004 23:45:12.0885 (UTC) FILETIME=[020B3E50:01C4B7C8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Nope, but if you go to the Radio Locator website and type in WTMJ it will come up with the station's website link and it'll more than likely be on there somewhere. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Carter" > > According to Andy Laird over at Journal Broadcasting, getting a > good load > > match at the transmitter is the key to reducing the self-jamming. > > Do you have his email address? I don't see how you can ever get > around the fact that a sloppy, cheap IF ceramic filter that passes > +/- 30 kHz will pass the digital sidebands from 5 to 10 kHz. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Oct 21 17:17:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47387 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2004 00:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2004 00:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2004 00:17:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 00:17:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 00:17:15 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15616 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 19:10:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2004 19:10:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 19:10:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 19:10:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2004 19:10:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:10:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2553 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.117 Subject: {AMSF} Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 22 Oct 2004 00:17:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > > I did not say it limits coverage. > > I am sorry for misinterpreting what you said, then. > > > This is about listenability, not field strength... which, of > course, did not change. > > What do you think about the IBOC self-jamming issue on cheap radios, > then? Surely, the presence of "static" on radios that previously > had a clear signal is a listenability issue. Much worse than > platform distortion, which I only hear on skywave C-Quam stations at > night, and it was not that much of an annoyance. I foresee a > massive "tune-out" on the AM band as it becomes noisier and > noisier. The first stations to be tuned out will be the IBOC ones, > and the public will get a horrible impression of HD radio for AM. And some people think -I'M- overly pessimistic about the state of AM broadcasting! Nevermind I've said this all before. Anyhoo... I have never known an AM signal not to have phase cancellation when a listener is in the null, or nulls the station to attenuate it. It's simply the nature of the beast. Phase is very important to the reception of a sigtnal, stereo or mono, and most nulling techniques at transmitter sites involve antenna phasing of one sort or another. Unless it's a single, directional, non-arrayed antenna, you're going to get phase distortion in the null. Quadrature AM has nothing to do with it, except that to work, it needs proper phasing, and as anyone knows, to do so, you must make some compromise somewhere in the system- Usually forgo the phased null or forgo reception in the null. Why is phase so important? It maintains clean sideband operation and reduces incidental audio distortion when signals are properly phased. This is necessary even for non-quadrature transmitters. This is also why I've said over the years you can tell the difference, even on a mono radio, if a station is broadcasting in AM stereo, because the received signal is often clean and lifelike- A real benefit, even to mono AM listeners, and it makes a station look good. The best CEs are the ones who truly put their heart & soul into making their station sound good. But even under the best of circumstances, it must be acknowledge that you're never going to have perfect audio for everybody, and it WILL sound bad in the null. It could be said that the only time a null reception isn't noticably worse than a lobe reception is when it's bad IPM all around, and it's universally sloppy. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jeffdeck@aol.com Thu Oct 21 17:48:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47921 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2004 00:48:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2004 00:48:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2004 00:48:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 00:47:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 00:47:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:47:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1585 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.209.133.120 Subject: Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Bruce, You write: >Don't worry - for a few years there will be AM IBOC, but the more I >study it, the more I realize the whole thing will self implode after >that. It will only leave CAM-D and C-Quam as options for stations >that want better quality audio. But we have a few tough years >before everybody realizes the engineering for AM IBOC is faulty. One interesting aspect of the IBOC system, especially with the four 50 kW AM stations (WLW, WWJ, WCHB and WXYT) that I heard is the significant reduction of analog coverage. When WWJ was testing IBOC at night, I could actually null the station for the first time in my life, well within the primary contour of their pattern, and receive a Spanish speaking station. This is on a 50 kW AM station, the maximum permissable U.S power allowed on the AM band. What will be the experience with 5kW, 1kW and 500-watt AM stations, especially on the night time band. Nobody in his or her correct mind will tolerate this for very long at these AM stations. Also, WCHB and WXYT suspend IBOC at night. When they broadcast it during the day, the upper sideband does not have the customary "hash" that I heard on earlier tests from WLW and WWJ from my manually-tuned wideband Sony SRF A100 receiver. It sounds as though WCHB and WXYT are deliberately transmitting the lower IBOC carrier for technical reasons, perhaps due to shortcomings with the IBOC technology. In the Detroit area, there are now 14 local IBOC stations. 73, Jeff Deck For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit http://meduci.com From tomray@wor710.com Thu Oct 21 20:18:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7525 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2004 03:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2004 03:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2004 03:18:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 03:16:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 03:16:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:16:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 813 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: The Beast (317C) Was: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > > Could it be that Kerry actually LIKES the old beast? Perhaps after the > transmitter upgrades, he will take the 317C home with him, set it up in a > storage building, and drive it into a dummy load like I did with my RCA > BTA1R. Kerry could create his very own neighborhood brownouts when he hits > the plates! Actually, the old beast is a good transmitter but, like anything that is 31 years old, it is showing its age. And anyway, with the per gallon price of heating oil (something you don't need to worry about in Tampa.....I'm locked in at below $2/gallon, and the going rate here right now is $2.17!), connecting the beast to a dummy load and using it to heat the house would probably be cheaper!!! Tom Ray WOR From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Oct 21 20:39:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48249 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2004 03:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2004 03:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.177) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2004 03:39:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:39:00 -0700 Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY12-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:38:18 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:38:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2004 03:39:00.0795 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB5470B0:01C4B7E8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.177 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Beast (317C) Was: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > Actually, the old beast is a good transmitter but, like anything that is 31 years old, it is showing its age. Yes, it seems that your 317C is a MUCH better transmitter than the 317C that 660 WESC had. WESC must have got a Monday transmitter! > > And anyway, with the per gallon price of heating oil (something you don't need to worry about in Tampa. Now I did have to fire off the Propane furnace 4 nights last Winter! > >connecting the beast to a dummy load and using it to heat the house would probably be cheaper!!! You will have to admit using a 50,000 Watt transmitter to heat your house is a unique solution to the price of fuel problem! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Oct 22 08:31:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99987 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2004 15:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2004 15:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2004 15:31:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 15:31:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 15:31:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:31:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 459 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: The Beast (317C) Was: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > And anyway, with the per gallon price of heating oil (something you > don't need to worry about in Tampa.....I'm locked in at below > $2/gallon, and the going rate here right now is $2.17!), connecting > the beast to a dummy load and using it to heat the house would > probably be cheaper!!! Just wait until John Kerry gets elected and signs the Kyoto accord - then everybody will have to buy a BE 50 because nobody will be able to afford heating oil! From tomray@wor710.com Fri Oct 22 08:53:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12976 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2004 15:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2004 15:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2004 15:53:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 15:53:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 15:53:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:53:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 472 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: The Beast (317C) Was: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > Just wait until John Kerry gets elected and signs the Kyoto accord - > then everybody will have to buy a BE 50 because nobody will be able > to afford heating oil! No, no. Kerry Richards is going to be president. Then we'll REALLY be in trouble! If you haven't checked out our website lately at http://www.kerryforprez.us, please do so. We now open with a slide show. Tom Ray WOR From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Oct 22 09:53:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96550 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2004 16:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2004 16:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2004 16:53:15 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.247.212.237.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.212.237] helo=earthlink.net) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CL2fD-0003q1-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:53:15 -0700 Message-ID: <41793B01.BE46509A@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:53:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.54 From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jeffdeck2001 wrote: > In the Detroit area, there are now 14 local IBOC stations. > I understand that within 6 or 7 years there will also be 14 IBOC receivers in Detroit. Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Fri Oct 22 11:23:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49326 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2004 18:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2004 18:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2004 18:23:31 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (max1-191.skyweb.net [66.6.130.63]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i9MINSVM029167 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:23:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <41795016.60402@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:23:18 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Beast (317C) Was: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just want to know.. about that popcorn machine.. I gather its a Hot air Popper? is it a Harris DX-50 Type popper or a contential 317C type popper... great stuff.... Tom Ray wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > > >>Just wait until John Kerry gets elected and signs the Kyoto accord - >>then everybody will have to buy a BE 50 because nobody will be able >>to afford heating oil! >> >> > > > >No, no. Kerry Richards is going to be president. Then we'll REALLY >be in trouble! If you haven't checked out our website lately at >http://www.kerryforprez.us, please do so. We now open with a slide show. > >Tom Ray >WOR > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Oct 22 15:56:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78458 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2004 22:56:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2004 22:56:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2004 22:56:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 22:56:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 22:56:56 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75290 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2004 03:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2004 03:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2004 03:33:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 03:33:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 03:33:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:33:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2629 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.117 Subject: Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 22 Oct 2004 22:56:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wrote: > One interesting aspect of the IBOC system, especially with the > four 50 kW AM stations (WLW, WWJ, WCHB and WXYT) that I heard is the > significant reduction of analog coverage. The FM rule applies here: The greater the spread of energy, the LESS energy is available for the primary service. For FM stereo, the stereo subcarrier channel and pilot subcarrier are necessary evils. You, as the engineer, KNOW you're going to lose signal coverage by using stereo, but you sacrifice that coverage for your listeners who want stereo. Those extra subcarriers- and this is true with adding SCA or, for that matter, IBOC- must share the power put in. The greater the spread, the more taken away from the primary carrier. This is why AM stereo does not lose coverage, because power distribution is only distributed between polarities, thus keeping the total power in the main carrier and sideband spread. No loss of coverage. Add subcarriers of any kind and you spread that power distribution out. Less area coverage, since there's less power going to the main audio sidebands and carrier. The more this goes on, the more stupid IBOC appears to be, in my opinion. Why would a station invest in a system that benefits few, inconveniences many, causes interference to both itself and nearby adjacents (up to 3rd adj.), reduce effective output power to primary service, and costs exhorbinantly beyond what most stations can afford? IBOC benefits NO-ONE but those who actually make the equipment, and they're already laughing all the way to the bank at everyone ele's expense! I grew up with the idea that a station takes pride in its listenability- The more listeners, the better ad revenues- And NOT on trying to make their station as unlistenable as possible. Even FM IBOC serves no value-added purpose-- No improvement in audio or text-display services; only a much, MUCH wider bandwidth spread to interfere with other stations and cause a loss of nece4ssary power distribution to maintain pri9mary coverage area. As I've said, IBOC is an albatross. A very expensive albatross. No- one but its manufacturers and developers benefits from IBOC. Yes, I do understand the need to experiment with its possibilities- I certainly don't mind that at all. It has to be done. But other than that, I can only ask: WHY???? At least C-QUAM had residual benefits to the non-stereo AM listener, and not once caused problems for the listener or for adjacent stations. I really can't say the same for IBOC. So....Why? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Oct 22 15:57:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13758 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2004 22:57:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2004 22:57:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2004 22:57:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 22:57:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 22:57:39 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37286 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2004 17:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2004 17:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2004 17:38:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 17:37:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 17:37:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:37:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2028 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.142 Subject: Re: The Beast (317C) Was: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 22 Oct 2004 22:57:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > > And anyway, with the per gallon price of heating oil (something you > > don't need to worry about in Tampa.....I'm locked in at below > > $2/gallon, and the going rate here right now is $2.17!), connecting > > the beast to a dummy load and using it to heat the house would > > probably be cheaper!!! > > Just wait until John Kerry gets elected and signs the Kyoto accord - > then everybody will have to buy a BE 50 because nobody will be able > to afford heating oil! This logic is baffling to me, really. After all, even electricity generation requires crude oil, which means EVERYBODY'S electric bills are going to skyrocket right after the elections. (This is normal market-to-market delay- The cost of fuel is usually offset by several months until it reaches the consumer.) Secondly, under Bush Jr.'s administration, crude oil prices have DOUBLED from $26 at the time of the California energy crisis (remember that?) and the present price of $53 per barrel. Keep in mind what industry Bush comes from-- Oil. And I'm not going to get into Bush's "war" and politics, and just what effect it all has been upon us all. Politics don't belong here, unless it's radio-related. And frankly, I feel sorry for every single broadcaster who is about to be socked with unrealistic energy bills this winter. You think your bills are high now.... :( 50kW is not cheap to run, and the oil price insanity going on right now is only going to be an even bigger nightmare very soon. And yes, that means we here in California are once again going to be hit HARD, and when California is hit hard, economicly, so shall it be across the whole of the United States. You on the east coast are dependent on commodities we have over here, so don't bitch at us when the cost of your food goes insane because our costs to maintain the food goes insane., Anyhoo, back to AM stereo....if there is anything left to talk about. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From chris@lledgerock.com Fri Oct 22 16:42:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: chris@lledgerock.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62324 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2004 23:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2004 23:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2004 23:42:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 23:42:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 23:42:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 23:42:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001701c4abeb$4dc16240$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1066 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Chris" X-Originating-IP: 216.238.164.2 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WGY now in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119481567 X-Yahoo-Profile: vegeto585 Sorry for the late LATE reply, I've been busy with work, school, flying sailplanes, etc. etc. Tom Ray -- I'm in Galway, about 15 minutes north of Scotia, NY, and 15 west of Saratoga/Ballston Spa Scott Todd -- WGY might not be broadcasting HD? I seriously thought that iBiquity upgraded. Again, I'm not really for HD AM, because simply an AM band channel cannot support the bandwidth, and you'd lose alot of information if it was restricted to the 10 kHz spacing. They should learn from DRM, which apparently fits nicely in the 9 kHz MW step and whatever the ITU spacing is for all the SWL broadcast bands, and from what I read, sounds alot better than a standard SWL signal. Now we just need to deal with BPL, which I honestly think that the R&D teams for such projects should apply for an ISM or similar Part 15 type deal in some unused part of the spectrum, which could be maybe a limited area in the old VHF-lo tv band, ch 2-6 when the FCC discontinues NTSC service. (hopefully us amateurs get some access to that area) Chris Curtis -- KC2NIJ From jeffdeck@aol.com Sat Oct 23 06:04:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44984 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2004 13:04:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2004 13:04:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2004 13:04:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2004 13:04:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2004 13:04:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:04:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2131 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.209.133.120 Subject: Re: IBOC and You X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Amy, You wrote: >You, as the engineer, KNOW you're going to lose signal coverage by >using stereo, but you sacrifice that coverage for your listeners >who want stereo. Those extra subcarriers- and this is true with >adding SCA or, for that matter, IBOC- must share the power put in. >The greater the spread, the more taken away from the primary >carrier. This is why AM stereo does not lose coverage, because >power distribution is only distributed between polarities, thus >keeping the total power in the main carrier and sideband spread. >No loss of coverage. Don Wilson of Motorola also said that C-QuAM does not cause loss of analog coverage contour. It is true that there is much less of a coverage penalty paid to using C-QuAM versus IBOC HD Radio on the AM band. Also, C-QuAM will decode successfully through harsher reception conditions. This new technology is almost like putting lipstick on a pig. In order to upgrade to 50kW, both Infinity properties WWJ and WXYT moved their transmitters from Oakland county to Monroe county. Monroe county is more than 30 miles south of affluent Oakland county. So WXYT is battling decreased signal strength and increased linear distance in order to reach their coveted Oakland county listeners. I recorded a sound byte of WLW from Columbus, Ohio when they were testing IBOC in August 2002. Click on this link: http://www.members.aol.com/jeffdeck/wlw.mp3 I used a Sony SRF-A1 in the stereo wideband mode for this test. You can hear the "hash" sound generated by the HD carriers (this is out-of-phase in both channels, using the radio's internal quadrature detector). Towards the end of the recording, I tuned away from the main carrier, and you can hear the increased static. Given the increased man-made interference on the AM band, and that IBOC needs a strong 0.5mV/M signal, it is doubtful that there will be sunset of analog AM modulation; there is nothing for listeners to fall back to when the IBOC is too weak to decode properly. 73, Jeff Deck For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit http://meduci.com From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sat Oct 23 13:27:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91994 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2004 20:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2004 20:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.172) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2004 20:27:51 -0000 Received: from user-3861.l4.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.111.21] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CLSSu-0007QK-Je for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:26:16 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:26:13 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.195.172 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: Skipland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Tom, I lurk on one or two DX boards and just read this: Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 1748 UTC Post subject: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Hi Mika and welcome back to Finland! Yes, I woke up at 0245 UTC on Monday morning and I noticed that the MW band was "full" of NA stations. There were mainly dominants from the East Coast but also some interesting frequencies were open. The only new catch for me was WOR New York NY on 710. I hadn't heard it before - not even on my DXpeditons in Lapland! My rx was AOR AR-7030 and the antenna was Super-KAZ (~300 degrees). 73 Tuomas _________________ 73's TAT Tuomas Talka Aitoo FINLAND _________________________________________________________ I wonder whether you've had reports from any further east? -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From tomray@wor710.com Sat Oct 23 15:28:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83997 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2004 22:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2004 22:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2004 22:28:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2004 22:28:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2004 22:28:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:28:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <41795016.60402@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 591 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: The Beast (317C) Was: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > I just want to know.. about that popcorn machine.. I gather its a Hot > air Popper? > is it a Harris DX-50 Type popper or a contential 317C type popper... > great stuff.... > Oh no! WAY too healthy. This is the real movie style, popped in that hight colesterol oil, then slathered with that fake butter stuff....guaranteed to clog your arteries or your money cheerfully refunded! And the 317 is far more suited to this type of popcorn. The arc overs in the PA really help get that corn popping! Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Sat Oct 23 15:31:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27819 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2004 22:31:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2004 22:31:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2004 22:31:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2004 22:31:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2004 22:31:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:31:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 393 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: The Beast (317C) Was: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > You on the east coast are > dependent on commodities we have over here, so don't bitch at us when > the cost of your food goes insane because our costs to maintain the > food goes insane., > Not to mention the cost to ship that food to the east coast. It isn't going to be pleasant this winter. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Sat Oct 23 15:37:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50485 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2004 22:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2004 22:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2004 22:37:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2004 22:37:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2004 22:37:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:37:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 627 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Skipland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > > I wonder whether you've had reports from any further east? Phil: I haven't. I have noticed the skip the last couple of nights. WOR is almost unlistenable at home the last couple of nights....and I'm hearing another station on 710 which I haven't been able to identify. It sounds like Spanish, they play a lot of music, though it could be another language closely related to Spanish. I have yet to catch an ID. This other station and WOR are playing the "fade game"....we fade out, they fade right in, then vice versa. Tom Ray WOR From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Oct 23 15:44:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 77458 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2004 22:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2004 22:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2004 22:44:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2004 22:44:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2004 22:44:10 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65851 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2004 20:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2004 20:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2004 20:12:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2004 20:12:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2004 20:12:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 20:12:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2798 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.142 Subject: Re: IBOC and You X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 23 Oct 2004 22:44:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wrote: > > Amy, > You wrote: > >You, as the engineer, KNOW you're going to lose signal coverage by > >using stereo, but you sacrifice that coverage for your listeners > >who want stereo. Those extra subcarriers- and this is true with > >adding SCA or, for that matter, IBOC- must share the power put in. > >The greater the spread, the more taken away from the primary > >carrier. This is why AM stereo does not lose coverage, because > >power distribution is only distributed between polarities, thus > >keeping the total power in the main carrier and sideband spread. > >No loss of coverage. > > Don Wilson of Motorola also said that C-QuAM does not cause loss > of analog coverage contour. It is true that there is much less of > a coverage penalty paid to using C-QuAM versus IBOC HD Radio on the > AM band. Also, C-QuAM will decode successfully through harsher > reception conditions. This new technology is almost like putting > lipstick on a pig. If the DRM samples at this NZ site (http://www.threetomcats.com/chris/radio/DRM/) is any indication, then correct. C-QUAM does not crap out spectacularly at anytime interference rears its ugly head. In fact, C-QUAM remains intelligable even through very annoying interference (although it can be overwhelmed)- Something digital over LW/MW/SW seems incapable of. And considering IBOC falls back on its analog signal when the digital DOES flake out, IBOC can't make the bold claim of truly being noise- free, now can it?- since the AM channel WILL be noisy when it happens. Real smart, yes. > I recorded a sound byte of WLW from Columbus, Ohio when they > were testing IBOC in August 2002. Click on this link: > > http://www.members.aol.com/jeffdeck/wlw.mp3 Here, since the transfer rate from AOL it horrendous right now, is the same file: http://tinyurl.com/4skl9 > Given the increased man-made interference on the AM band, and > that IBOC needs a strong 0.5mV/M signal, it is doubtful that there > will be sunset of analog AM modulation; there is nothing for > listeners to fall back to when the IBOC is too weak to decode > properly. A strong signal in a REASONABLY noise-free environment- You know, without all that superfluous RFI generated by other electronic devices and your typical thunderstorm...... The spectrum under 30MHz is notorious for being noisy, even WITHOUT artifially-created RFI-- Not like some higher UHF and microwave bands. This is why DRM won't ever be anything more than an experimental curiosity (just LISTEN to the samples on that page, dammit!), and IBOC will actually hinder domestic broadcasting, not help it. And I have yet to be convinced otherwise. So, convince me. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Oct 23 17:09:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58103 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 00:09:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 00:09:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 00:09:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20041024000908.85396.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.88] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:09:08 PDT Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:09:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Skipland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > > I haven't. I have noticed the skip the last couple > of nights. WOR is > almost unlistenable at home the last couple of > nights....and I'm > hearing another station on 710 which I haven't been > able to identify. > It sounds like Spanish, they play a lot of music, > though it could be > another language closely related to Spanish. I have > yet to catch an > ID. This other station and WOR are playing the > "fade game"....we fade > out, they fade right in, then vice versa. > > Tom Ray > WOR Cuba or Miami....? Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amdavid@pacbell.net Sat Oct 23 19:16:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30306 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 02:16:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 02:16:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80405.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.60) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 02:16:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20041024021632.36165.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.61.173.103] by web80405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:16:32 PDT Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:16:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20041024000908.85396.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.79.60 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Skipland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Miami plays essentially no music at all. The most likely is the 100 kw station in Caracas. This is the right time of the year for such N-S reception, too. "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: --- Tom Ray wrote: > > I haven't. I have noticed the skip the last couple > of nights. WOR is > almost unlistenable at home the last couple of > nights....and I'm > hearing another station on 710 which I haven't been > able to identify. > It sounds like Spanish, they play a lot of music, > though it could be > another language closely related to Spanish. I have > yet to catch an > ID. This other station and WOR are playing the > "fade game"....we fade > out, they fade right in, then vice versa. > > Tom Ray > WOR Cuba or Miami....? Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Oct 23 19:19:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66416 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 02:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 02:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 02:19:28 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.224]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 23 Oct 2004 20:19:26 -0600 Message-ID: <003801c4b970$8d7a6160$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20041024000908.85396.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:23:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2004 02:19:27.0411 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2FF5830:01C4B96F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Skipland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Propagation has favored a lot of long-haul skip recently. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > --- Tom Ray wrote: > > > > >and I'm > > hearing another station on 710 which I haven't been > > able to identify. > > It sounds like Spanish, they play a lot of music, > > though it could be > > another language closely related to Spanish. I have > > yet to catch an > > ID. This other station and WOR are playing the > > "fade game"....we fade > > out, they fade right in, then vice versa. > > > > Tom Ray > > WOR > > > Cuba or Miami....? From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Oct 23 19:25:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83402 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 02:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 02:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 02:25:28 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.224]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 23 Oct 2004 20:25:27 -0600 Message-ID: <003e01c4b971$6478d520$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:30:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2004 02:25:28.0001 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9ED0310:01C4B970] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: If NRSC mask = changed 2 what J LJ wants... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Sorry, but you're dead wrong on this one. The IBOC signal is generated using a completely separate transmitter. Even using common amplification, something which hasn't worked well in various trials, you're dropping your power maybe 4% worst case. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" > wrote: > > > One interesting aspect of the IBOC system, especially with the > > four 50 kW AM stations (WLW, WWJ, WCHB and WXYT) that I heard is the > > significant reduction of analog coverage. > > The FM rule applies here: The greater the spread of energy, the LESS > energy is available for the primary service. For FM stereo, the > stereo subcarrier channel and pilot subcarrier are necessary evils. > You, as the engineer, KNOW you're going to lose signal coverage by > using stereo, but you sacrifice that coverage for your listeners who > want stereo. Those extra subcarriers- and this is true with adding > SCA or, for that matter, IBOC- must share the power put in. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Oct 23 19:31:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50332 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 02:31:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 02:31:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 02:31:54 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.224]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 23 Oct 2004 20:31:52 -0600 Message-ID: <004401c4b972$4a534d00$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:36:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2004 02:31:53.0619 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FC5A630:01C4B971] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Beast (317C) Was: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Don't know where you get that idea unless that's unique to CA. Biggest sources nationwide are coal, natural gas and nuclear. And don't blame it all on Bush- the environazis are blocking drilling in ANWR plus the demand in China is skyrocketing. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > This logic is baffling to me, really. After all, even electricity > generation requires crude oil, which means EVERYBODY'S electric bills > are going to skyrocket right after the elections. (This is normal > market-to-market delay- The cost of fuel is usually offset by several > months until it reaches the consumer.) From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Oct 23 20:15:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44680 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 03:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 03:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 03:15:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 03:15:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 03:15:58 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48907 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 02:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 02:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 02:48:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 02:48:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 02:48:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 02:48:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1031 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.142 Subject: Re: The Beast (317C) Was: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 24 Oct 2004 03:15:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > You on the east coast are > > dependent on commodities we have over here, so don't bitch at us when > > the cost of your food goes insane because our costs to maintain the > > food goes insane., > > > > Not to mention the cost to ship that food to the east coast. It isn't > going to be pleasant this winter. Yeah, tell me about it! California's the breadbasket of America (largest agricultural economy of any state in the US), and with gas prices the way they are now over here, and where they will be when that $53/barrel rate finally trickles to the consumer. Yep, the cost of food is going to be out of control, and there's not much that can be done about it, I'm afraid. If it was intended to hurt any Democratic opposition, it's going to bite back BIGTIME if Bush remains in office. America deserves better, no matter who is in office. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Oct 23 23:49:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75860 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 06:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 06:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 06:49:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 06:49:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 06:49:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 06:49:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041024021632.36165.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 928 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.140 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Skipland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Miami plays essentially no music at all. The most likely is the > 100 kw station in Caracas. This is the right time of the year for > such N-S reception, too. Sometimes I can pick up the time signal station on 5.000 MHz from Caracas, Venezuela, underneath WWV. You can hear the Spanish announcer giving the time in "horas" and "minutos", almost in synch with WWV's English announcement. And on the AM band, a good "beacon" station is the Turks & Caicos station on 530 kHz (they're 100 or 150 kW, IIRC). If you can hear them loud and clear in the Northeast USA even without the help of a special antenna, then you know other stations from 1500+ miles away will be skipping their way up the East Coast. Also, lately I've heard music playing underneath 1210 WPHT. Sometimes the music is English but I think the announcements are in Spanish. Any clue what this is? Maybe YVZT, 10 kW from Barcelona, Venezuela? From jeffdeck@aol.com Sun Oct 24 02:01:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99354 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 09:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 09:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 09:01:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 09:01:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 09:01:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:01:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003e01c4b971$6478d520$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3216 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.209.133.120 Subject: Re: IBOC and You X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Scott, You write: >Sorry, but you're dead wrong on this one. The IBOC signal is >generated using a completely separate transmitter. Even using >common amplification, something which hasn't worked well in various >trials, you're dropping your power maybe 4% worst case. I am not sure if you are replying to Amy or me, so I will respond. First, the FM IBOC HD Radio carrier is generated using a separate transmitter in many cases, and common amplification of the analog and digital transmissions does not occur. In fact, FM stations prefer separate transmitter antenna systems to be used for the HD Radio signal, completely isolated from the analog component. FM IBOC carrier is 20 dB down from the main analog carrier. I was speaking of the AM IBOC system, and there is fact that both WCHB and WXYT employ softer demodulation of the analog component during the day when their HD Radio is in use. I do not have an AM modulation monitor to provide exact numbers. My trained ears tell me that the signal-to-noise (S/N) ratio is degraded within the 10kHz passband of the demodulated audio spectrum. This is due primarily to man-made and natural interferences, and the tertiary sidebands, containing a total of 50 subcarriers up to 5 kHz from the main AM carrier. This is treated as noise by the AM analog detector, and degrades the S/N ratio of the recovered audio. This is translated into reduced coverage for the analog AM station. Time permitting, I will record the day and night signals from WXYT, and you can judge the analog audio for yourself. My QTH is located 35 miles north of WXYT's 50kW transmitter, and within their main lobe, day and night. Since WCHB drops to 15kW at night, the WXYT recording should provide better "apples to apples" comparison. I have heard the decreased analog audio bandwidth and increased noise from the AM HD Radio system from four AM stations. I have recorded WLW from a wideband AM analog radio where the decreased audio bandwidth, increased noise, and softer demodulation are quite evident. I have access to two local AM HD Radio stations. How many AM HD Radio stations do you have, and what is the extent of your listening to AM HD Radio? Also, what power measurements have you performed to claim that total power is reduced four percent? One cannot simply say that there is a negligible power reduction from the transmitter, without looking at the big picture. You need to evaluate the entire chain from studio source to receiver's speaker. What is the entire impact in the field to the HD radio system? We can debate the technical merits of the HD Radio system all day. One fact that cannot be disputed is that tertiary sidebands are easily recovered by envelope detectors employed in virtually all common AM household receivers. Another fact is that these envelope detectors ignore the phase modulation of the Kahn and Motorola AM stereo systems. If I designed the AM HD radio system, I would have tried to keep all the digital information outside the zero to 10kHz area typically reserved for analog audio. 73, Jeff Deck For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit http://meduci.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Oct 24 07:39:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93785 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 14:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 14:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.18.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 14:39:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:39:00 -0700 Received: from 209.240.205.63 by by24fd.bay24.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:38:19 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:38:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2004 14:39:00.0994 (UTC) FILETIME=[33B6C620:01C4B9D7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.18.67 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.63] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Skipland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 referring to the interference on 710am, Powell Way III said: >"Cuba or Miami?" :::::::::::::: It's not Miami, 710 in Miami is strictly political talk with little or no bumper music. 710 out of Havana,is mostly talk, but they do air baseball and some music programs. Donn 27.761 latitude north From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Oct 24 07:53:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41778 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 14:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 14:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.18.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 14:53:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:53:00 -0700 Received: from 209.240.205.63 by by24fd.bay24.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:52:39 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:52:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2004 14:53:00.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[28644C00:01C4B9D9] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.18.80 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.63] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Beast (317C) Was: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 "And don't blame it all on Bush- the environazis are blocking drilling in ANWR....... ::::::::::::::: I hope no one is inferring that Jeb Bush might also be an environazi, since he strongly opposes drilling in the Gulf of Mexico! I wasn't aware that the Nazi's had a strong committment to the enviroment. Donn From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sun Oct 24 09:10:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90358 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 16:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 16:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 16:10:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 16:10:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 16:10:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:10:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 759 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: SRF-A200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee hey, Folks... For my birthday this month, I steered my mom & dad towards eBay and had them bid on an SRF-A200. They actually won the thing for a pretty reasonable price: $74 American. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5721388273&rd=1 The seller wasn't kidding. This thing is MINT. And I'm blown away by the sound quality--it beats my AMAX car radio, I'd say. I plugged it into the AUX on my parents car radio and toggled back and forth between their Honda's AM section and the SRF- A200 and it was like going from AM to FM. Pretty exceptional sound quality. What's sad is that Honda is putting GREAT sounding radios (with CD players and AUX inputs) into its cars, but leaving the AM section at 5 kHz tops (maybe even 4.5). From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Oct 24 10:09:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60455 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 17:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 17:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80407.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.62) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 17:09:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20041024170932.97650.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.61.173.103] by web80407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:09:32 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:09:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.79.62 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Skipland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, using Cuba or 530 is not going to be a good indicator at your latitude of near ecuatorial DX opportunities. whatever the phenomenon is caused by, in the area from about Omaha to New York can see Sept-Oct and April-May receptions of Venzuelans and, sometimes, Colombians of moderate power that totally overwhelm nearby clear channel and regional stations, with no sign of Cuba, Turks, Haiti (a good Antillean bellweather when 4VEC was on 1035) and such. In the early 60's, from Cleveland, I can recall many instances of 1100 (KYW, WKYC, etc) being overwhelmed only 40 miles from its transmitter by a 10 kw Venzezuelan local. My best in such circumstances was a 1 kw Venezuelan from interior Venezuela (Valle de la Pascua) on 1370 dominating the cannel at around 8 PM EST one evening. Best is to find a few stations from northern S America that do come in on such occasions, and if you hear them, dig for more. The cool thing is that the Cubans are pretty much obliterated, as are big clear channel stations like WSB, WSM, etc. as well as all domestic stuff to the south. "Kevin T." wrote: And on the AM band, a good "beacon" station is the Turks & Caicos station on 530 kHz (they're 100 or 150 kW, IIRC). If you can hear them loud and clear in the Northeast USA even without the help of a special antenna, then you know other stations from 1500+ miles away will be skipping their way up the East Coast. Also, lately I've heard music playing underneath 1210 WPHT. Sometimes the music is English but I think the announcements are in Spanish. Any clue what this is? Maybe YVZT, 10 kW from Barcelona, Venezuela? Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Oct 24 14:38:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 60901 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 21:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 21:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 21:38:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 21:38:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 21:38:52 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22316 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 20:52:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 20:52:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 20:52:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 20:52:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 20:52:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:52:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4482 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.108 Subject: {AMSF} Re: The Beast (317C) Was: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 24 Oct 2004 21:38:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" wrote: > "And don't blame it > all on Bush- the environazis are blocking drilling in ANWR....... > ::::::::::::::: > I hope no one is inferring that Jeb Bush might also be an environazi, since > he strongly opposes drilling in the Gulf of Mexico! Some don't understand the need for environmental protection, or feel there's a need for it. To many, it doesn't seem "that bad", or they still expect others to live by a code of honor. In business, however, these things go by the wayside for the sake of the bottom line, not to mention the carelessness of the Average Joe, who doesn't even think about where all his disposables go, or doesn't care how many gallons their gas guzzler really consumes. By nature, we consume without any thought of replacing what we do, or being responsible when we dispose. It's always somebody else's problem, not ours. But then, if not for environmental efforts over the last 3 decades, cities like Boston would've become too unlivable. In Boston's case, they take considerable pride today having a clean Charles River and Boston Harbor- Something that was in such bad shape, back in the 1960s a local garage-rock band hat a hit song nationally about their infamously-polluted river and harbor- You all have heard it... "Dirty Water" by the Standells. (There's a good stereo version floating around.) Today, that song seems funny, because it describes a Boston that no longer exists, but in its day, it was as much a political statement about the condition of the waterways of one of America's premiere heritage cities. The restoration of the Charles and the Harbor were not light undertakings at the time. In fact, it was thought to be an impossible task, or at the very least, would take lifetimes to complete it. Until there was enough popular effort to actually do it. That's the power of environmentalism- Taking responsibility for the world around you, making life better and leave a positive legacy to your children and grandchildren. Unfortunately, there are those who don't want to be responsible, and are only concerned for selfish concerns- Money, power, etc. Some might even make a show of their "philanthropy" all the while their business practices muddle it up for the rest of us. Simply put, they don't really care. They don't really need to, as long as it doesn't interfere with their profit margins and bank accounts. And alot of ordinary people don't really care, either-- It's not "their" problem. (A big culprit of this is due to Church teachings that emphasise that what is done in this world matters little, as all will be forgiven, and the next world is the more important one. We like to conveniently forget that the Golden Rule ("Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.") applies, because it doesn't matter until you're in God's Kingdom of Heaven, since, as I said, all transgressions are forgiven, even if you make no attempt at redemption for forgiveness.) > I wasn't aware that the Nazi's had a stong committment to the enviroment. This is a Rushism- take it as you will, just for that- as it's based on the Fascist concept of "do things our way or else". Unfortunately, it's a necessity to force others to get things done. Massive inertia prevents alot of things from getting done when they need to. As for the ANWR (Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge), oil anylists have plainly stated that if the ban on drilling in the ANWR is lifted, it'll only offset the supply of oil by a mere ONE PERCENT- A cost that simply does not outweigh the environmental damage caused to this huge region (bigger than many states!) all for the sake of unchecked rampant consumption of oil products-- Gas, plastics, etc. And recycling? It's become a joke! The local recyclers here in Humboldt County, California- supposedly one of the most "liberal" places in America- have made it incredibly difficult to recycle beyond anything that has "California Redemption Value". I should know, as I TRIED just recently to recycle aluminum cans which weren't beverage containers, and they flatly refused to take them. They'll take CRV products because the State of California mandates that they must, but if it isn't, forget it. Why? "Bottom line." Now... Tell me why we don't need environmental regulation, again? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Yes, the "liberal" mousie. Go fig.) (So much for AM stereo, yes?) From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Oct 24 14:39:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11275 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 21:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 21:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 21:39:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 21:39:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 21:39:30 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28047 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 21:08:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 21:08:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 21:08:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 21:08:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 21:08:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:08:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 402 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.108 Subject: Re: SRF-A200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 24 Oct 2004 21:39:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: -snip- I forget now.... What's the difference between the 'A100 and the Aussie 'A200? I had an 'A100- It rocked my world! What I would give for a chance for a "new" 'A100 or even an 'A1. Enjoy it, Douglas! :) I sure asd hell envy you for having one of the Sony Multimode babies- I miss mine fiercely. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Oct 24 14:45:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62235 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 21:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 21:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 21:45:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 21:45:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 21:45:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:45:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1094 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.14 Subject: Re: SRF-A200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I forget now.... What's the difference between the 'A100 and the > Aussie 'A200? The SRF-A200 does not have the label on the bottom explaining the switch settings for the various AM Stereo modes (Motorola, Harris, Kahn, Magnavox). I haven't seen a picture of its side to know for sure, but I'd assume that means it also lacks the "AM ST MODE" switch, and thus is locked into C-Quam/Harris/Magnavox mode, just like the SRF-42. This is likely because Australia was one of the first countries to standardize on the C-Quam system, and they picked it right from the start of AM Stereo broadcasts in 1985, so there would be no point in offering a true multi-system receiver in Australia -- the useless A/B mode switch would only confuse people. Nearby New Zealand did have some AM Stereo broadcasts using the Harris system, but since the Sony chipset can decode the C-Quam, Harris, and Magnavox systems without needing a mode switch, that means the SRF-A200 could have been used equally well for Harris AM Stereo broadcasts in New Zealand and for C-Quam broadcasts in Australia. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Oct 24 15:27:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 63212 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 22:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 22:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 22:27:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 22:27:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 22:27:12 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53115 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 22:23:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 22:23:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 22:23:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 22:23:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 22:23:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:23:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2443 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.108 Subject: Re: SRF-A200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 24 Oct 2004 22:27:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > I forget now.... What's the difference between the 'A100 and the > > Aussie 'A200? > > The SRF-A200 does not have the label on the bottom explaining the > switch settings for the various AM Stereo modes (Motorola, Harris, > Kahn, Magnavox). I haven't seen a picture of its side to know for > sure, but I'd assume that means it also lacks the "AM ST MODE" > switch, and thus is locked into C-Quam/Harris/Magnavox mode, just > like the SRF-42. This is likely because Australia was one of the > first countries to standardize on the C-Quam system, and they picked > it right from the start of AM Stereo broadcasts in 1985, so there > would be no point in offering a true multi-system receiver in > Australia -- the useless A/B mode switch would only confuse people. If I recall, from my old collection of Popular Communications issues from the mid '80s, Australia DID have several Kahn ISB stations. > Nearby New Zealand did have some AM Stereo broadcasts using the > Harris system, but since the Sony chipset can decode the C-Quam, > Harris, and Magnavox systems without needing a mode switch, that > means the SRF-A200 could have been used equally well for Harris > AM Stereo broadcasts in New Zealand and for C-Quam broadcasts in > Australia. This owes alot to the similarities inherent between all the systems, particularly in quadrature/phase relations, which makes a QuAM- based "Swiss army knife" approach to AMS possible. The switch was necessary for decoding ISB, simply by turning the Phase Shift Network chip on and off, as needed, which rephases and properly inverts the L- R component to achieve true ISB reception. (Yes, the Sony chip is a true QuAM decoder, later modified for C-QUAM operation by adding just a couple modifications-- The same mods that actually could improve reception of other systems by benefitting from the C-QUAM enhancements, such as a cosine corrector and limiter to prevent "thudding".) This is why it's pretty easy to modify any of Sony's sync-detector- based SW radios (like the ICF-2010/2001D) to stereo-- It's the same chip, for the most part, as what they used for their AMS radios! To decode just about every single AMS system ever made, you need 4 detectors and a PSN. The four are: an envelope detector, I & Q detectors (aka a sync detector), and a phase detector. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Oct 24 15:35:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3010 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 22:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 22:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 22:35:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 22:35:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2004 22:35:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:34:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1597 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.14 Subject: Re: SRF-A200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If I recall, from my old collection of Popular Communications > issues from the mid '80s, Australia DID have several Kahn ISB > stations. Yes, there were a few Kahn and Harris stations in Australia. But once AM Stereo (or "Stereo AM", as they called it) made its official debut in 1985, C-Quam became the standard system in Australia. > (Yes, the Sony chip is a true QuAM decoder, later modified for > C-QUAM operation by adding just a couple modifications-- The same > mods that actually could improve reception of other systems by > benefitting from the C-QUAM enhancements, such as a cosine > corrector and limiter to prevent "thudding".) The Sony SRF-A1 and SRF-42, and probably other Sony radios as well, have a "Stereo Distortion Adjust" trimmer which can be tweaked to provide the cleanest reception of C-Quam stereo. I don't know if it's "true" Cosine Correction (which may be a Motorola patent?), but in my testing with a multi-system AM Stereo generator, the SRF-A1 and SRF-42 clearly have the lowest distortion when receiving a C-Quam system, as compared to Magnavox (slightly more distortion) or Harris (a lot more distortion). On the other hand, the SRF-A100 is factory-calibrated to provide the best-sounding reception of the Magnavox system, and as a result, both the C-Quam and Harris systems sound a bit more distorted on the 'A100, particularly during single-channel bass audio. I don't know if the 'A100 also has a "stereo distortion adjust" trimmer which could be re-tweaked to optimize C-Quam reception; I'll have to take a look at the service manual. From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Oct 24 16:38:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24054 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 23:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2004 23:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 23:38:44 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.5.10.101]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20041024233842.BWGE12244.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:38:42 -0400 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:38:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.28 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF-A200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THAT'S a change. They used to have some of the worst. On Sunday, October 24, 2004, at 09:10 AM, Douglas wrote: > What's sad is that Honda is putting GREAT sounding radios (with CD > players and AUX > inputs) into its cars, but leaving the AM section at 5 kHz tops (maybe > even 4.5). > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sun Oct 24 20:07:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60121 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2004 03:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2004 03:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net) (207.217.121.184) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2004 03:07:40 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.247.236.226.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.236.226] helo=earthlink.net) by pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CLvCt-0003Gw-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:07:39 -0700 Message-ID: <417C6E05.27EC7185@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:07:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.121.184 From: Dick W Subject: Re: OT {AMSF} Re: The Beast (317C) Was: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Amy's points are well-taken. And we should not forget that most of the goods that we import from overseas are often manufactured in plants that don't have to meet any environmental standards whatever. This not only pollutes the world that we all live in together, but it puts our domestic manufacturers at a competitive disadvantage because complying with our standards increases the cost of our products. As a nation, we would do well to require that imported products be produced in plants that meet some kind of minimum environmental standard. Dick W. Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" > wrote: > > "And don't blame it > > all on Bush- the environazis are blocking drilling in ANWR....... > > ::::::::::::::: > > I hope no one is inferring that Jeb Bush might also be an > environazi, since > > he strongly opposes drilling in the Gulf of Mexico! > > Some don't understand the need for environmental protection, or feel > there's a need for it. To many, it doesn't seem "that bad", or they > still expect others to live by a code of honor. In business, however, > these things go by the wayside for the sake of the bottom line, not > to mention the carelessness of the Average Joe, who doesn't even > think about where all his disposables go, or doesn't care how many > gallons their gas guzzler really consumes. > > By nature, we consume without any thought of replacing what we do, or > being responsible when we dispose. It's always somebody else's > problem, not ours. > > But then, if not for environmental efforts over the last 3 decades, > cities like Boston would've become too unlivable. In Boston's case, > they take considerable pride today having a clean Charles River and > Boston Harbor- Something that was in such bad shape, back in the > 1960s a local garage-rock band hat a hit song nationally about their > infamously-polluted river and harbor- You all have heard it... "Dirty > Water" by the Standells. (There's a good stereo version floating > around.) Today, that song seems funny, because it describes a Boston > that no longer exists, but in its day, it was as much a political > statement about the condition of the waterways of one of America's > premiere heritage cities. The restoration of the Charles and the > Harbor were not light undertakings at the time. In fact, it was > thought to be an impossible task, or at the very least, would take > lifetimes to complete it. Until there was enough popular effort to > actually do it. > > That's the power of environmentalism- Taking responsibility for the > world around you, making life better and leave a positive legacy to > your children and grandchildren. > > Unfortunately, there are those who don't want to be responsible, and > are only concerned for selfish concerns- Money, power, etc. Some > might even make a show of their "philanthropy" all the while their > business practices muddle it up for the rest of us. > > Simply put, they don't really care. They don't really need to, as > long as it doesn't interfere with their profit margins and bank > accounts. > > And alot of ordinary people don't really care, either-- It's > not "their" problem. (A big culprit of this is due to Church > teachings that emphasise that what is done in this world matters > little, as all will be forgiven, and the next world is the more > important one. We like to conveniently forget that the Golden Rule > ("Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.") applies, > because it doesn't matter until you're in God's Kingdom of Heaven, > since, as I said, all transgressions are forgiven, even if you make > no attempt at redemption for forgiveness.) > > > I wasn't aware that the Nazi's had a stong committment to the > enviroment. > > This is a Rushism- take it as you will, just for that- as it's based > on the Fascist concept of "do things our way or else". Unfortunately, > it's a necessity to force others to get things done. Massive inertia > prevents alot of things from getting done when they need to. > > As for the ANWR (Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge), oil anylists have > plainly stated that if the ban on drilling in the ANWR is lifted, > it'll only offset the supply of oil by a mere ONE PERCENT- A cost > that simply does not outweigh the environmental damage caused to this > huge region (bigger than many states!) all for the sake of unchecked > rampant consumption of oil products-- Gas, plastics, etc. > > And recycling? It's become a joke! The local recyclers here in > Humboldt County, California- supposedly one of the most "liberal" > places in America- have made it incredibly difficult to recycle > beyond anything that has "California Redemption Value". I should > know, as I TRIED just recently to recycle aluminum cans which weren't > beverage containers, and they flatly refused to take them. They'll > take CRV products because the State of California mandates that they > must, but if it isn't, forget it. Why? "Bottom line." > > Now... Tell me why we don't need environmental regulation, again? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (Yes, the "liberal" mousie. Go fig.) > (So much for AM stereo, yes?) > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Oct 24 20:37:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38969 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2004 03:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2004 03:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2004 03:37:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2004 03:37:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2004 03:37:10 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51714 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2004 03:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2004 03:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2004 03:11:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2004 03:11:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2004 03:11:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 03:11:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2876 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.108 Subject: Re: SRF-A200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 25 Oct 2004 03:37:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > (Yes, the Sony chip is a true QuAM decoder, later modified for > > C-QUAM operation by adding just a couple modifications-- The same > > mods that actually could improve reception of other systems by > > benefitting from the C-QUAM enhancements, such as a cosine > > corrector and limiter to prevent "thudding".) > > The Sony SRF-A1 and SRF-42, and probably other Sony radios as well, > have a "Stereo Distortion Adjust" trimmer which can be tweaked to > provide the cleanest reception of C-Quam stereo. I don't know if > it's "true" Cosine Correction (which may be a Motorola patent?), but > in my testing with a multi-system AM Stereo generator, the SRF-A1 and > SRF-42 clearly have the lowest distortion when receiving a C-Quam > system, as compared to Magnavox (slightly more distortion) or Harris > (a lot more distortion). First off, the A1 actually predates the A100, even though both came out about the same time. And as far as I know, cosine correction was achieved by the tangent function generator Motorola did patent (4,278,839, here: http://tinyurl.com/66ja9 ). Chances are, Sony achieved reduction of distortion with an older phase-tracking circuit. > On the other hand, the SRF-A100 is factory-calibrated to provide the > best-sounding reception of the Magnavox system, and as a result, > both the C-Quam and Harris systems sound a bit more distorted on the > 'A100, particularly during single-channel bass audio. I don't know > if the 'A100 also has a "stereo distortion adjust" trimmer which > could be re-tweaked to optimize C-Quam reception; I'll have to take a > look at the service manual. Be aware there are at least two versions of the 'A100- Single-board and dual-board. The latter (which I had) was the prototype/first issue design, and not the later single-board version. The most notable distortion in the bass was a "thumping" effect caused by one of the long-noted flaws of AMS- The very reason C-QUAM specifies a limiter to prevent negative modulation greater than 98%, which causes the "thumping" effect. Believe me, it was an annoyance when I had the 'A100. (Understanding now that the very things that make C-QUAM work as it does- the cosine correction and the negative- modulation limitation- would've made ALL the AMS systems perform better! Even RCA, during its AMS tests, noted these very issues and suggested ways to deal with them...back in 1960. This is why J. Gilstrap's concept of C-ISB is such an improvement over Kahn's, simply by adding cosine correction and a neg-mod limiter- The very things that make C-QUAM "compatible".) Imagine if Magnavox had implemented Motorola's innovations.... We would've had true AMS in use since 1980, and much of the bickering would've never taken place. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Oct 24 20:37:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 62772 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2004 03:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2004 03:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2004 03:37:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2004 03:37:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2004 03:37:22 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48051 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2004 03:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2004 03:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2004 03:25:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2004 03:25:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2004 03:25:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 03:25:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <417C6E05.27EC7185@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1630 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.108 Subject: OT {AMSF} Re: The Beast (317C) Was: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 25 Oct 2004 03:37:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Dick W wrote: > Amy's points are well-taken. And we should not forget that most of the > goods that we import from overseas are often manufactured in plants that > don't have to meet any environmental standards whatever. This not only > pollutes the world that we all live in together, but it puts our domestic > manufacturers at a competitive disadvantage because complying with our > standards increases the cost of our products. As a nation, we would do > well to require that imported products be produced in plants that meet some > kind of minimum environmental standard. Thank you. Although I think it's ridiculous to hold employers to paying their overseas employees wages comparable to the US (in many countries, the cost of comparable living is far, FAR cheaper), I do think we should hold these manufacturers to stringent environmental and safety standards. These are the first two things that fall to the side when a greedy corporation comes in. (And just for the record, I'm NOT anti-capitalist-- I believe everyone has the right to earn whatever they make, AS LONG AS it's responsibly done. I have no resentment toward millionaires and billionaires because of their wealth; if they earned it, great, but if they got that kind of money by getting too greedy, and neglecting responsibility, that's where I draw the line. Act honorably and you shall be respected. Greed is not good.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Don't get me started on this outsourcing junk..... Americans need to work, too, so we can BUY the products these companies want us to buy!) From dav259@csiro.au Sun Oct 24 21:20:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48590 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2004 04:20:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2004 04:20:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au) (150.229.64.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2004 04:20:15 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (138.194.10.10) by vic-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au with ESMTP; 25 Oct 2004 14:20:13 +1000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-Ironport-AV: i="3.86,96,1096812000"; d="scan'208"; a="10561658:sNHT13130936" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i9P4KCfB026664 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:20:12 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:20:12 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 150.229.64.38 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Oz Gold Coast Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 This message may just as well be blank. I've just got back from holidaying on the Gold Coast and not only is AMS radio unavailable AM radio simply doesn't exist in what is now Australia's sixth biggest city. Thankfully I did hear a bit of nice AMS music from 4TAB Brisbane (the racing station) on Sunday nights. What a waste considering that Brisbane's 4BH and 4KQ are mono 24/7 music stations. Reception of Brisbane's 4QR (ABC), 4KQ (classic hits) , and 4TAB was reasonable. Reception of "easy" 4BH and Talk 1116 4BC was pathetic. God only knows why. This has been the first time I've left the SRF-42 at home. The performance of Sony's bonza little SRF-AX51V was sensational. It is a wonderful little portable. And I knew that I'd be listening mostly to FM - and on that band it kills the SRF-42. IMO radio on the Gold Coast is the cheap commercial pits. It has three commercial FM stations - that all sound pretty much the same. My favourite station was the 4CRB - a Christian FM community station - that had enough advertising that it almost sounded commercial. But I have to say that our ABC radio seems to provide a fantastic service anywhere. Not only do you get the 4 national services: Radio National Newsradio Classic FM Tripple J (the youth oriented mostly music network) but instead of only getting our local ABC's 3LO, on the Gold Coast you can clearly listen to 3 ABC local stations ... 4QR - ABC Brisbane Coast-FM - ABC Gold Coast ABC North Coast - Northern New South Wales Thank God for public broadcasting. Ian Melbourne From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Oct 25 09:02:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81583 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2004 16:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2004 16:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2004 16:02:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2004 16:01:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2004 16:01:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:01:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 394 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: SRF-A200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee <> I've never had an A100, but I can confirm that the A200 has no A/B mode switch. Otherwise, I'm guessing they're identical. I didn't realize how small they are... yet they're pretty heavy for their size. I like that. I can see why they're so popular. How big is the A300 compared to the A100/200? Anyone have them both? From tomray@wor710.com Mon Oct 25 09:14:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47344 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2004 16:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2004 16:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2004 16:14:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2004 16:13:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2004 16:13:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:13:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 764 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: IBOC and You X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wrote: > One fact that cannot be disputed is that tertiary sidebands > are easily recovered by envelope detectors employed in virtually all > common AM household receivers. Another fact is that these envelope > detectors ignore the phase modulation of the Kahn and Motorola AM > stereo systems. Jeff: I don't think you fully understand the AM HD waveform. The tertiary carriers ARE phase modulated and live under the 0-5kHz audio. The primary and secondary carriers are in the sidebands, 10-15kHz, and 5-10kHz respectively. There is no transmitter power reduction....the sideband power is simply added to the existing AM signal and is above and beyond the analog signal. Tom Ray WOR From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Oct 25 11:44:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54719 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2004 18:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2004 18:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2004 18:44:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20041025184411.8059.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:44:10 PDT Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:44:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1098712878.285.65467.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.37 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1361 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well we once had AM Stereo on Radio I 1332kHz in Auckland but thats long changed apart from 1332 is still on the air as Radio Sport in ordinary mono.Radio I is now on 98.2 called Easy Listening I and networks to a few centres.I remember listening to it in stereo on a car radio(brand unknown in 1986) but at the time never really persued it apart from a couple of times and told AS$ not available. The 100 is got "orange" writing on it and the 200 has blue writing and has no multi switch. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > I forget now.... What's the difference between the 'A100 and the > > Aussie 'A200? > >. > Nearby New Zealand did have some AM Stereo broadcasts using the > Harris system, but since the Sony chipset can decode the C-Quam, > Harris, and Magnavox systems without needing a mode switch, that > means the SRF-A200 could have been used equally well for Harris > AM Stereo broadcasts in New Zealand and for C-Quam broadcasts in > Australia. === message truncated === Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Oct 25 14:35:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9498 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2004 21:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2004 21:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2004 21:35:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2004 21:35:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2004 21:35:54 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36755 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2004 17:03:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2004 17:03:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2004 17:03:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2004 17:03:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2004 17:03:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:03:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 739 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.108 Subject: Re: SRF-A200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 25 Oct 2004 21:35:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > > <> > > I've never had an A100, but I can confirm that the A200 has no A/B mode switch. > Otherwise, I'm guessing they're identical. They are. > I didn't realize how small they are... yet they're pretty heavy for their size. I like that. > I can see why they're so popular. That's because of the twin heavy-magnet speakers. And I do mean HEAVY! > How big is the A300 compared to the A100/200? Anyone have them both? I haven't had an 'A300 yet, but I will say this: IT'S BIGGER. Not to mention the knobs are much easier to deal with. It's still a portable, though. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jeffdeck@aol.com Mon Oct 25 17:38:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27158 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2004 00:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2004 00:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 00:38:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 00:38:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 00:38:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:38:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1901 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.209.181.168 Subject: Re: IBOC and You X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Tom: You write: >I don't think you fully understand the AM HD waveform. The tertiary >carriers ARE phase modulated and live under the 0-5kHz audio. The >primary and secondary carriers are in the sidebands, 10-15kHz, and >5-10kHz respectively. There is no transmitter power reduction.... >the sideband power is simply added to the existing AM signal and is >above and beyond the analog signal. Please explain where phase modulation is stated anywhere within the iBiquity AM IBOC HD Radio specification. I quote directly from the AM IBOC specification: "The digital signal is modulated using orthogonal frequency division multiplexing (OFDM). OFDM is a parallel modulation scheme in which the data stream modulates a large number of orthogonal subcarriers that are transmitted simultaneously. OFDM is inherently flexible, readily allowing the mapping of logical channels to different groups of subcarriers." Essentially the IBOC encoder takes the baseband audio and sums it with the binary OFDM digital-generated subcarriers for modulation. In conventional OFDM, the discrete Fourier transform (DFT) is used for modulation and demodulation. OFDM alone is not considered phase modulation. In discussing the transmission subsystem, as part of the AM air interface, iBiquity says: "This function formats the baseband waveform for transmission through the MF channel. Major sub-functions include pre-compensation, symbol concatenation, and frequency up-conversion. When transmitting the Hybrid waveform, this function modulates the AM analog audio source and combines it with the digital signal to form a composite Hybrid signal, s(t), ready for transmission." My observations conclude a signal-to-noise degradation when IBOC OFDM subcarriers are presented to AM radio envelope detectors. 73, Jeff Deck For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit http://meduci.com From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon Oct 25 18:12:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 882 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2004 01:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2004 01:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 01:12:50 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.53.194]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:12:37 -0600 Message-ID: <003301c4baf9$22051d00$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:14:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2004 01:12:38.0936 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2961980:01C4BAF8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: OT {AMSF} Re: The Beast (317C) Was: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude A lot of the foreign manufacturers don't have US ownership, especially in the far east. Nice idea, but the countries plead poverty in order to escape environmental regulations. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > Although I think it's ridiculous to hold employers to paying their > overseas employees wages comparable to the US (in many countries, the > cost of comparable living is far, FAR cheaper), I do think we should > hold these manufacturers to stringent environmental and safety > standards. These are the first two things that fall to the side when > a greedy corporation comes in. From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon Oct 25 18:17:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24115 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2004 01:17:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2004 01:17:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 01:17:36 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.53.194]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:17:34 -0600 Message-ID: <003f01c4baf9$d2f7e160$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:19:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2004 01:17:35.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[9364DB20:01C4BAF9] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Beast (317C) Was: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude He's shooting himself in the foot on that one. We have technology that didn't exist when we were bombarded night after night about the oil slicks on the CA coast. Notice how rarely it happens anymore where there still is offshore drilling. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > I hope no one is inferring that Jeb Bush might also be an environazi, since > he strongly opposes drilling in the Gulf of Mexico! From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Oct 25 21:56:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79673 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2004 04:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2004 04:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 04:56:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 04:56:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 04:56:42 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44406 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2004 04:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2004 04:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 04:36:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 04:36:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 04:36:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:36:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003301c4baf9$22051d00$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 727 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.187 Subject: OT {AMSF} Re: The Beast (317C) Was: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 26 Oct 2004 04:56:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > A lot of the foreign manufacturers don't have US ownership, especially in > the far east. Nice idea, but the countries plead poverty in order to escape > environmental regulations. Do you have family over there? I do. I have an uncle living in eastern Thailand, one of the country's poorest regions. The Thais are actuallky very serious about environmental issues, and yet while the cost of living there is only pennies to the dollar, the standard of living has dramatically improved over the last decade or so. Having family in Thailand makes me very keen to knowing what's going on there. It's personal. Care to try again? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From link_s86@yahoo.com Tue Oct 26 06:44:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: link_s86@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93463 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2004 13:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2004 13:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 13:44:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 13:44:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 13:44:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:44:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 375 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "link_s86" X-Originating-IP: 152.67.121.28 Subject: WIND drops IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182920769 X-Yahoo-Profile: link_s86 No hiss on 2nd adjacents of 560 in Chicago today. It looks like IBOC has been discontinued with the upcoming sale of WIND from Univision to Salem. The IBOC hiss was affecting the 2nd adjacent 540 which is also owned by Salem in Milwaukee and the 580 station down state. Hopefully this is the last of IBOC for this property. Unless Salem starts to support AM IBOC? From brucec@mindspring.com Tue Oct 26 07:45:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74204 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2004 14:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2004 14:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 14:45:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 14:44:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 14:43:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:43:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1305 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: WIND drops IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > No hiss on 2nd adjacents of 560 in Chicago today. It looks like IBOC > has been discontinued with the upcoming sale of WIND from Univision > to Salem. > > The IBOC hiss was affecting the 2nd adjacent 540 which is also owned > by Salem in Milwaukee This brings up a very interesting aspect of the IBOC situation - what will major broadcasting groups do when IBOC interference on adjacents jams "one of their own"? Tom - I would be interested in your input on this one, since Jeff Littlejohn's memo clearly indicated that Clear Channel owns both WOR and WLW - how badly will this affect listening out in the suburbs of both cities? I can see New York affected much more by WLW than vice versa - simply because the population is greater, and therefore there are more listeners farther from the transmitter. I don't see any option but to cut down on the broadcast power of WLW at night - after all its skywave signal is unimportant in the new digital order of things - admittedly a bit of sarcasm :o). This could be a real show stopper, particularly when you add other owners into the mix. I can envision situations where one company would go IBOC just so it can jam a competing station in a nearby city! It could get really ugly between companies with retaliatory IBOC, etc. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Oct 26 08:58:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32593 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2004 15:58:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2004 15:58:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 15:58:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 15:58:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 15:58:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:58:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 153 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: OT: Speaking of interference... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I'm hearing that broadband Internet via power lines will disrupt shortwave reception... and CB radio, too. Can anyone speak to the likelihood of this? From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Oct 26 09:23:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56104 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2004 16:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2004 16:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 16:23:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20041026162328.52373.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:23:28 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:23:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1098802859.169.38674.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.37 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1362 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The 300 is slightly bigger and larger width too.it has a light on the dial and no multiswitch and it gets FM on the Japanese band and is bassier. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: There are 10 messages in this issue. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > > <> > > I've never had an A100, but I can confirm that the A200 has no A/B mode switch. > Otherwise, I'm guessing they're identical. They are. > I didn't realize how small they are... yet they're pretty heavy for their size. I like that. > I can see why they're so popular. That's because of the twin heavy-magnet speakers. And I do mean HEAVY! > How big is the A300 compared to the A100/200? Anyone have them both? I haven't had an 'A300 yet, but I will say this: IT'S BIGGER. Not to mention the knobs are much easier to deal with. It's still a portable, though. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mrcomment@yahoo.com Tue Oct 26 12:40:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85576 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2004 19:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2004 19:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 19:40:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 19:40:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 19:40:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:40:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1473 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "mrcomment" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.253.12 Subject: Re: IBOC and You X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338 X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wrote: > > Tom: > You write: > >I don't think you fully understand the AM HD waveform. The tertiary > >carriers ARE phase modulated and live under the 0-5kHz audio. The > >primary and secondary carriers are in the sidebands, 10-15kHz, and > >5-10kHz respectively. There is no transmitter power reduction.... > >the sideband power is simply added to the existing AM signal and is > >above and beyond the analog signal. > Mr. Ray's response is confusing at best. The inner AM IBOC digital subcarrier signals are quadrature-modulated (out-of-phase by 90degrees) with respect to the analog AM carrier to minimize the IBOC noise on conventional AM receivers. This is not the same as true phase-modulation of the AM carrier. A true phase-modulation IBOC system would not be detectable with an analog AM envelope detector and would not change TX power. On the other hand, IBOC inner sideband noise is easily detectable on an envelope detector but is suppressed by a synchronous AM detector. The outer IBOC sidebands are not quadrature to the analog AM carrier and are detected by both envelope and synchronous detectors, but the theory goes that analog AM receivers won't pass this bandwidth, so you won't hear it. The IBOC sidebands increase the peak and RMS power consumed by the transmitter, but you're OK if your TX can handle it since the FCC is allowing this overmodulation. From brucec@mindspring.com Tue Oct 26 13:05:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80443 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2004 20:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2004 20:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 20:05:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 20:05:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 20:05:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:05:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1875 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: IBOC and You X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > A true phase-modulation > IBOC system would not be detectable with an analog AM envelope > detector and would not change TX power. On the other hand, IBOC > inner sideband noise is easily detectable on an envelope detector > but is suppressed by a synchronous AM detector. In other words - the only wide band radios that will NOT be affected by IBOC self-jamming would be current AM stereo radios. Everything else - from GE Superradios and Radio Shack SR clones on one end of the quality scale, to (accidentally) wide band cheapies with one ceramic filter use the envelope detector and will be susceptible to the self-jamming effect. Only radios using an outdated 3 IF coil design, or C-Cranes equalized for speech only will reject the 5 to 10 kHz noise. > The outer IBOC > sidebands are not quadrature to the analog AM carrier and are > detected by both envelope and synchronous detectors, but the theory > goes that analog AM receivers won't pass this bandwidth, so you > won't hear it. Probably true on most radios, but I disagree with Jeff Littlejohn that the GE is only 6 kHz. I hear musical tones and harmonics much higher than that on it. Not very scientific, but I question his statement. BTW - Jeff Littlejohn's full email is in the new issue of Radio World. The primary reason why most people won't find the self-jamming above 10 kHz not objectionable is that there is already a ferocious 10 kHz heterodyne there that frequency AM listeners are accustomed to and mentally ignore. Also - most folks have hearing that quits above 10 kHz. I am lucky - I can still hear into the 13's, but I can remember when I was able to hear TV horizontal re-trace. My high frequency response is creeping down as the years go by. Maybe that is a good thing with IBOC being crammed down our throats in spite of big technical issues. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Oct 26 13:15:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 91249 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2004 20:15:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2004 20:15:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 20:15:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 20:15:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 20:15:00 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2382 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2004 19:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2004 19:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 19:23:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 19:23:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 19:23:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:23:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 293 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: KFI's IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 26 Oct 2004 20:14:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 I took the opportunity while driving by KFI's transmitter site on I-5 in L.A. Sunday to record some of their IBOC on co- and adjacent-channels. First is my Panasonic RQ-SW20, next is the SRF-42, finally the Sony D-NS921F MP3 CD Player. http://68.105.108.90:1180/stephen/amradio/KFI_IBOC.mp3 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Oct 26 13:21:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47079 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2004 20:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2004 20:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 20:21:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 20:20:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 20:20:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:20:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 579 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.144 Subject: Re: WIND drops IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The IBOC hiss was affecting the 2nd adjacent 540 which is also > owned by Salem in Milwaukee and the 580 station down state. > Hopefully this is the last of IBOC for this property. Unless Salem > starts to support AM IBOC? I don't think they will, at least in the Northeast. Salem owns 560 WFIL in Philadelphia and 570 WMCA in New York City, and if both of these stations began transmitting IBOC, the mutual interference between them would be highly destructive. IBOC would also cause overlap between Salem's two other stations in these cities, 970 WWDJ and 990 WNTP. From jeffdeck@aol.com Tue Oct 26 16:04:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70363 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2004 23:04:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2004 23:04:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 23:04:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 23:04:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 23:04:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:04:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2135 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.209.181.168 Subject: Re: IBOC and You X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Thank you for the voice of reason, Mr. Comment. You write: >Mr. Ray's response is confusing at best. The inner AM IBOC digital >subcarrier signals are quadrature-modulated (out-of-phase by >90degrees) with respect to the analog AM carrier to minimize the >IBOC noise on conventional AM receivers. It is true that there is some type of quadrature modulation from HD Radio AM stations, easily detected by the Sony SRF-A1 radio in my WLW recording. However, I am not sure that this noise is all of the tertiary subcarriers. >This is not the same as true phase-modulation of the AM carrier. >A true phase-modulation IBOC system would not be detectable with an >analog AM envelope detector and would not change TX power. Phase modulation is a sister to frequency modulation, and generates multiple sidebands, based upon the modulation index. If the tertiary sidebands are phase modulated, then their sidebands would be evident in the baseband IBOC mask. iBiquity states that the tertiary sidebands are quadrature phase shift keyed, and then amplitude modulated and upconverted onto the station's carrier. >On the other hand, IBOC inner sideband noise is easily detectable >on an envelope detector but is suppressed by a synchronous AM >detector. The outer IBOC sidebands are not quadrature to the >analog AM carrier and are detected by both envelope and >synchronous detectors, There is a glaring error in the iBiquity specification, It states that the primary upper and lower subcarriers are 64-QAM (quadrature amplitude modulated). Actually, the primary subcarriers are amplitude modulated, and easily detected in their raw form by ordinary means. This is the common "hash" sound easily heard by tuning up or down in frequency on the AM IBOC HD radio station. WXYT's local sunset time is 6:34 p.m. and they switch to their night pattern nightly at 6:45 p.m. and drop IBOC. I intend to record the switch, and you can hear the analog noise floor difference with and without IBOC being transmitted. 73, Jeff Deck For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit http://meduci.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Oct 26 16:44:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27096 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2004 23:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2004 23:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52404.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.112) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 23:44:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20041026234442.71870.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.88] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:44:41 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:44:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.112 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Speaking of interference... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Douglas wrote: > > I'm hearing that broadband Internet via power lines > will disrupt shortwave reception... > and CB radio, too. Can anyone speak to the > likelihood of this? The answer is yes, and up to at least 90 megahertz.... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Oct 26 16:53:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69290 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2004 23:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2004 23:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 23:53:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 23:52:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 23:52:47 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46007 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2004 20:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2004 20:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 20:21:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 20:20:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2004 20:20:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:20:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2226 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: IBOC and You X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 26 Oct 2004 23:52:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 I can just barely hear up to 16 at the age of 23. I miss my younger days when (based on tests I did) I could probably hear an FM stereo signal's pilot tone, the entire range of a CD, and then some... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > > A true phase-modulation > > IBOC system would not be detectable with an analog AM envelope > > detector and would not change TX power. On the other hand, IBOC > > inner sideband noise is easily detectable on an envelope detector > > but is suppressed by a synchronous AM detector. > > In other words - the only wide band radios that will NOT be affected > by IBOC self-jamming would be current AM stereo radios. Everything > else - from GE Superradios and Radio Shack SR clones on one end of > the quality scale, to (accidentally) wide band cheapies with one > ceramic filter use the envelope detector and will be susceptible to > the self-jamming effect. Only radios using an outdated 3 IF coil > design, or C-Cranes equalized for speech only will reject the 5 to > 10 kHz noise. > > > The outer IBOC > > sidebands are not quadrature to the analog AM carrier and are > > detected by both envelope and synchronous detectors, but the > theory > > goes that analog AM receivers won't pass this bandwidth, so you > > won't hear it. > > Probably true on most radios, but I disagree with Jeff Littlejohn > that the GE is only 6 kHz. I hear musical tones and harmonics much > higher than that on it. Not very scientific, but I question his > statement. BTW - Jeff Littlejohn's full email is in the new issue > of Radio World. > > The primary reason why most people won't find the self-jamming above > 10 kHz not objectionable is that there is already a ferocious 10 kHz > heterodyne there that frequency AM listeners are accustomed to and > mentally ignore. Also - most folks have hearing that quits above 10 > kHz. I am lucky - I can still hear into the 13's, but I can > remember when I was able to hear TV horizontal re-trace. My high > frequency response is creeping down as the years go by. Maybe that > is a good thing with IBOC being crammed down our throats in spite of > big technical issues. From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue Oct 26 17:04:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31958 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2004 00:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2004 00:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2004 00:04:42 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.38.133]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:04:40 -0600 Message-ID: <002901c4bbb8$d00ce8a0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:06:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2004 00:04:41.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EC26E60:01C4BBB8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WIND drops IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude WOR is owned by Buckley, and Salem is not interested in IBOC at this time. I mentioned here that IBOC and español were about to go adios' on WIND a number of weeks ago. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Carter" > This brings up a very interesting aspect of the IBOC situation - > what will major broadcasting groups do when IBOC interference on > adjacents jams "one of their own"? > > Tom - I would be interested in your input on this one, since Jeff > Littlejohn's memo clearly indicated that Clear Channel owns both WOR > and WLW From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue Oct 26 17:07:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41668 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2004 00:07:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2004 00:07:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2004 00:07:21 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.38.133]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:07:15 -0600 Message-ID: <003701c4bbb9$2c12f400$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:08:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2004 00:07:15.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[EAB34410:01C4BBB8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: OT {AMSF} Re: The Beast (317C) Was: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Sure- it's no secret that China wants a different standard for itself than for the US under Kyoto. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > The Thais are actuallky very serious about environmental issues, and > yet while the cost of living there is only pennies to the dollar, the > standard of living has dramatically improved over the last decade or > so. > > Having family in Thailand makes me very keen to knowing what's going > on there. It's personal. > > Care to try again? From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Oct 26 18:10:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8768 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2004 01:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2004 01:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.139) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2004 01:09:58 -0000 Received: from storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id C9C62D5E1; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id SAA28391; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:09:56 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRSy6PByV5SwAZNMq5iMNysVPIsfAIUY0Mdoy+DfjCz78LxSCKsgbFY2k8= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:09:56 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: abdx@abdx.org, ABDX@topica.com Message-ID: <28718-417EF564-1844@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 26 Oct 2004 15:00:59 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.139 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: CCU Low Fi Broadcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Recently, There was some discussion of Clear Channel's "adjusting" their stations to 5, 6 Khz of frequency response on their CCU "AM" Stations. CCU has quite a few of the "legacy" Powerhouse AM stations across the country. They own KFAB 1110 Omaha, for example. Lately, I have noticed that I can get KMOX 1120 a lot better, than I used to, I am only 7, 8 miles from the KFAB transmitter, towers on the far south side of Omaha. I suspect that KFAB has "fiddled" with the sound processing to please the "Radio Gods" at CCU HQ. KFAB 1110 used to obliterate KMOX 1120 signal in town. Get it while You still can... KFAB audio doesn't seem that horribly different. and the Stereo has been gone for some time when a newer transmitter was placed into service. But Don't Worry............ When ever KFAB-IBOC HD-AM does fires up>>> forget getting sky wave reception on 1080 Dallas , 1090 Little Rock, 1100 Cleveland, 1120 Saint Louis , 1150 Salina, KS, 1160 Salt Lake City, Have I forgot any ??? Only an IDIOT would endorse a system that it is claimed " Interferes with Itself" and any other station within 30, 40 kc of the carrier..... Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Oct 27 02:17:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82415 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2004 09:17:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2004 09:17:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2004 09:17:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2004 09:16:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2004 09:16:40 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18807 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2004 08:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2004 08:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2004 08:13:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2004 08:12:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2004 08:12:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:12:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003701c4bbb9$2c12f400$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1748 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.205 Subject: OT {AMSF} Re: The Beast (317C) Was: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 27 Oct 2004 09:16:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Sure- it's no secret that China wants a different standard for itself than > for the US under Kyoto. Considering that the US is not a signatory to the Kyoto treaty on environmental protection (the only major country that hasn't sigtned), that statement is correct. It's in China's best interests, as a nation running out of resources (just out of sheer size, being as much as 5 times the US population), to want to work under limitations and a timetabled reduction of resource dependencies. (In other words, to stretch out their resources as far as they can go, delayingt the inevitable depletion, or bypassing them altogether for something else.) Globally, the environment is a primary economic issue, especially in cultures that emphasise long-term solutions, rather than quick fixes. American industrialists don't favor Kyoto simply because it will have an effect on their bottom line in the short term. And considering that the US is perhaps the highest per-capita consumer nation on Earth, we tend to have this wonderously myopic view of what we have. Most Americans have no clue what Kyoto means as a treaty; only what gets filtered largely through commercial talk-radio hosts, the majority of which are right-of-center. Real-world consumption of resources is presently at the point where we consume faster than we can replenish or get naturally. America leades this consumption by a considerable margin. We should think more seriously about resource management, but industry is not interested in something like that, as long as they get their supplies in by the end of the quarter so they can look good for the stockholders. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomray@wor710.com Wed Oct 27 11:54:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42827 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2004 18:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2004 18:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2004 18:54:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2004 18:53:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2004 18:53:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:53:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3584 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 155.212.206.122 Subject: Re: WIND drops IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > Tom - I would be interested in your input on this one, since Jeff > Littlejohn's memo clearly indicated that Clear Channel owns both WOR > and WLW - how badly will this affect listening out in the suburbs of > both cities? I can see New York affected much more by WLW than vice > versa - simply because the population is greater, and therefore > there are more listeners farther from the transmitter. I don't see > any option but to cut down on the broadcast power of WLW at night - > after all its skywave signal is unimportant in the new digital order > of things - admittedly a bit of sarcasm :o). > Bruce: The memo didn't state that CC owned WOR.....WOR is owned by Buckley. His memo stated that, at 5kHz bandwidth, he could hear WOR in the Cincy area. And yes, WLW would be affect less by WOR in certain directions because of our directional antenna. On the tests we did, we had zero problems with WOR's analog signal in the suburbs with WLW running IBOC. As a matter of fact, we did not have any real background noise or hiss until we just about hit the 1/2 milli-volt contour. This is way beyond the WOR nighttime interference free contour. We were also able to listen to WLW starting around our 1mV contour. Beyond our 1/2mV contour, you are into skywave, and it was a crap shoot depending on the skywave conditions as to which station, or both, you could listen to. Interestingly enough, when both stations had IBOC off, the skywave signals were just as noisy and it was still a crap shoot. Keep in mind that not only did we run routes to the west and south in Jersey, but also ran on Long Island, and right up our null and did not experience any problems from WLW's IBOC sidebands. It was also interesting to note that on the night of the tests, not far from Kevin T's backyard, we were able to clearly listen to CHWO on 740....and they had a much greater carrier strength than WOR at this location on this night. After participating in these tests, and in other listening experiences with other IBOC signals....this is why I do not understand all the hubbub. Local listening areas are not impacted by the IBOC signals. I am reporting my experiences and my criteria in the mode of "average listener", not DX listener, not "golden ears" listener....but Joe Average. I did not enter into these tests starry eyed over IBOC. I approached them in scientific fashion to gather results. Those results, when applied to what I consider normal AM radio listening, yield little if any problems. As an example...I'm presently in Boston. Driving here, I was able to listen to stations on 680, 690, 700, 720, 730 and 740 with no problems other than the normal noise I would hear on these frequencies. And I started searching at the NY/CT line on I-84 (driving route, I-84E to I-90E to I-495N). I did not experience any problems all the way out here, and can easily listen to WOR and the frequencies listed above (providing there is signal here at the hotel on all frequencies) in the hotel parking lot. I'm actually 30 miles to the west of Boston....WBZ is IBOC....I can easily listen to 1010 WINS and 1000 WMVP from Chicage, haven't heard anything on 1020 or 1040 (and wouldn't expect to here), and have heard 1050 WEPN. I haven't tried 1060 yet. Where is the issue? This is what I don't understand. So to answer your question, WOR is not concerned about the effect of WLW's IBOC sidebands in the NYC suburbs. Our signal was just fine during tests. Tom Ray WOR From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Oct 27 12:02:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14222 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2004 19:02:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2004 19:02:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2004 19:02:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2004 19:02:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2004 19:02:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:02:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 997 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: WIND drops IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter This is certainly good news - although I wonder if your receiver had a product detector instead of an envelope detector. Some other comments on here have indicated that IBOC noise may only be a problem on envelope detector radios. Product detection rejects the phase modulated 5-10 kHz sideband so it doesn't leak into the analog audio. From what you say, it appears that product detection also attenuates adjacent channel interference. Unfortunately, the only radios with product detectors are AM Stereo radios. And perhaps the IBOC receiver you are using. Envelope detection is probably in 99% of the AM radios people are using. Along with IF stages that are laughable in their sloppiness. I could have listened to all of your test stations at once with one of my daughter's radios! +/- 40 kHz. Great for analog mono music! I tried really hard for WOR by nulling 710 from Shreveport, I think I might have done it - although it was mixed with a station from Amarillo, TX. From tomray@wor710.com Wed Oct 27 12:14:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3784 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2004 19:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2004 19:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2004 19:14:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2004 19:13:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2004 19:13:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:13:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <28718-417EF564-1844@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2219 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 155.212.206.122 Subject: Re: CCU Low Fi Broadcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: >I suspect that KFAB has "fiddled" with the > sound processing to please the "Radio Gods" at CCU HQ. I suspect that the CE at KFAB followed the orders from his corporate office and therefore is still gainfully employed. > KFAB audio doesn't seem that horribly different. Bingo! Give that man who just stated an obvious fact a cigar! > > When ever KFAB-IBOC HD-AM does fires up>>> forget getting sky > wave reception on 1080 Dallas , 1090 Little Rock, 1100 Cleveland, 1120 > Saint Louis , 1150 Salina, KS, 1160 Salt Lake City, Have I forgot any > ??? > Only an IDIOT would endorse a system that it is claimed " Interferes > with Itself" and any other station within 30, 40 kc of the carrier..... The HD radio system makes no claim that it interferes with itself. So....how will KFAB's IBOC operation affect your listening of LOCAL stations? You have named stations that, by your own admission, are skywave signals. Everywhere in part 73 of the FCC rules are references to stations serving their LOCAL areas. There is not one station in the list above that is licensed to serve or that is required to provide service to the Omaha area. How much of any of these stations' nighttime interference free coverage areas is over Omaha? It needs to be remembered that it takes $ to operate that radio station. This $ does not come from skywave listening, nor does it come from listener donations; it comes from local listening and advertising directed to those local listeners. Unless you are planning on going to these other cities any time soon and spending your hard earned $ with these stations advertisers, there is no benefit to the stations mentioned of your ability to listen to them. An unfortunate fact of life, and you can call it Corporate greed or whatever you wish to; just remember a business is not run as a charity but to make $, is that many stations cannot afford to finance a DX listening hobby any longer. If we, as broadcasters, keep our heads in the sand and do not acknowlege that things around us are changing while we stay the same, we will be left in the dust and signing off. Tom Ray WOR, NYC From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Oct 27 14:28:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1713 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2004 21:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2004 21:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2004 21:28:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2004 21:28:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2004 21:28:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:28:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 982 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.11 Subject: Re: WIND drops IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'm actually 30 miles to the west of > Boston....WBZ is IBOC....I can easily listen to 1010 WINS and 1000 > WMVP from Chicage, haven't heard anything on 1020 or 1040 (and > wouldn't expect to here), and have heard 1050 WEPN. It would be nice to know what kind of amazing receiver and antenna you are using to provide these results, since it appears to be magically immune to the kind of interference which many of us have been hearing, even when using receivers with excellent sensitivity and selectivity. > So to answer your question, WOR is not concerned about the effect > of WLW's IBOC sidebands in the NYC suburbs. Our signal was just > fine during tests. I think the _listeners_ will determine whether WOR's signal was "just fine" if/when WLW begins nighttime broadcasts, since their experiences with radio reception can (and will) be far different than what "experts" observe when using a carefully selected group of equipment in carefully controlled situations. From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Oct 27 14:35:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76056 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2004 21:35:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2004 21:35:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2004 21:35:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2004 21:33:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2004 21:33:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:33:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6045 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: CCU Low Fi Broadcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter One aspect of this debate that disturbs me is the seeming attempt to marginalize DX'ers and AM stereo enthusiasts as somehow an archaic, oddball bunch of people whose needs are irrelevant. This tactic, if employed in a university debate setting, would immediately lose the debate for IBOC proponents. So the question I would have is - what is it about IBOC that makes it necessary to silence all opposition by marginalizing them? Is this an attempt to shift focus away from technical weaknesses - that would come to light if the opposing point of view is examined out in the open? Another disturbing aspect of the IBOC debate is the repeated statement that AM radio cannot survive without this transition. This - in spite of the fact that the top billing stations in many large markets are still AM talk stations. They are doing perfectly well without having to resort to technical gimmicks like digital. Also - who is going to actually "sign off" if digital isn't implemented? I assume that AM licenses of top rated talk stations in major markets are valuable commodities that would sell for tens of millions of dollars, even in the worst conceivable economic downturn. It is very unlikely that any economic scenario short of a "Day After Tommorrow" cataclysm would make broadcasters abandon these valuable licenses. I think it is far more likely that they are seeing the opportunity to make more money than they do now by limiting listener choices to only local stations - an attractive enough business plan, given the fact that AM stations travel a good ways outside of their city of license. By legally jamming distant stations, they think they may obtain a substantial number of those listeners. This business model, however, is fundamentally flawed by the fact that the same pressures that forced those listeners to abandon local outlets will probably force them to satellite and digital options to obtain the programming they desire. They will not be motivated to change their programming taste to suit the local owner's wishes, no matter what the business plan says. Yet another disturbing aspect of IBOC to me is the glossing over of important engineering data, such as that one radio Ibiquity tested that exhibited large levels of interference. Science is a self- correcting discipline, and sometimes we are obliged to let go of our long cherished assumptions when new data is taken that challenges them. Instead of glossing over that one radio as "defective" - a good engineer would have torn into it with scopes and analyzers to find out the true source of the noise. A good engineer does not dismiss data that doesn't fit with their assumptions - or they do so at the risk of their job. Too often, political or financial pressures force bad engineering to be foisted on the public. In civil engineering - such as a bridge or construction project, people can die. In the case of radio, the usability of an entire band is at stake. As an engineer, I would like to ask Ibiquity - what data supports the assumption that the one radio exhibiting interference was defective? What tests were run, with what equipment, to support that conclusion? A sample of only four radios is insufficient in my view, but it sure makes each of those four radios very important as a sample. Another disturbing aspect of the IBOC debate is that it seems to be the top rated news stations in major cities that want digital stereo. What possible use is stereo to talk stations? My own experience on the air, experimenting with stereo miking proved that stereo talk is an annoyance to listeners. On a sports station it is double the noise from the crowd - NOT a very pleasing prospect. So it boils down to news talk stations having stereo just so commercials and musical beds sound better. What a waste of stereo capability! The same arguments for shutting down C-Quam on a news talk station apply to IBOC. Of course your situation with a nightmare of reflective surfaces in your primary listening area is a valid scenario in support of IBOC - but it is a case that is isolated to a handful of urban locations in the country. Almost 100% of the surface area of the country, and probably 95% of the population have no such problems. So IBOC perhaps should be marginalized to just the areas it really helps, and perhaps it is better to leave the rest of the country alone. I would like nothing better than to have an improvement in sound on the AM band. And if there is nothing wrong with Ibiquity's system, it could be a wonderful thing. I will probably be an early adopter if our local Radio Disney outlet converts over to it. I might even be willing to accept a modest level of interference on adjacent frequencies, provided the Ibiquity system gives me the same 330 daytime mile stereo range on Radio Disney I get with C-Quam. But I feel sorry for the people living south of me in places like Madisonville and Centerville who will have to eat static on 610 from Houston and 630 from San Antonio so I can have stereo music on my station. I have enough of a conscience to say that if it cuts them off, maybe my favorite station shouldn't convert. You may never of those towns in the news, but those people are just as important as any person living in the Dallas area. I'm not going to so arrogant as to say we ought to let 5.2 million people have stereo digital AM and a few thousand have static because of it. I was raised to believe my freedom ends where theirs begins. I know I have said this before to you, but the needs of rural American are just as important as the needs of New York City. I hope I am not being rude in this post, that isn't my intention. This whole thing, though, reeks of bad engineering, hasty implementation to avoid real objective analysis, lack of consideration of competing proposals such as CAM-D, big money politics, and metropolitan areas putting their concerns over the rest of the country. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Oct 27 15:07:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56948 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2004 22:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2004 22:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.198.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2004 22:07:47 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004102721333901300dulepe>; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:33:40 +0000 To: Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:33:37 -0400 Message-ID: <002201c4bc6c$a1f9f7a0$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.198.35 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WIND drops IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn This person must not realize that WBZ doesn't broadcast IBOC at night. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:29 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WIND drops IBOC > I'm actually 30 miles to the west of > Boston....WBZ is IBOC....I can easily listen to 1010 WINS and 1000 > WMVP from Chicage, haven't heard anything on 1020 or 1040 (and > wouldn't expect to here), and have heard 1050 WEPN. It would be nice to know what kind of amazing receiver and antenna you are using to provide these results, since it appears to be magically immune to the kind of interference which many of us have been hearing, even when using receivers with excellent sensitivity and selectivity. > So to answer your question, WOR is not concerned about the effect > of WLW's IBOC sidebands in the NYC suburbs. Our signal was just > fine during tests. I think the _listeners_ will determine whether WOR's signal was "just fine" if/when WLW begins nighttime broadcasts, since their experiences with radio reception can (and will) be far different than what "experts" observe when using a carefully selected group of equipment in carefully controlled situations. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From sub50@shortwavelog.com Wed Oct 27 21:10:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: sub50@shortwavelog.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99028 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2004 04:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2004 04:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2004 04:09:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 04:09:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 04:09:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 04:09:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041026234442.71870.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 622 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Robert Sillett" X-Originating-IP: 209.195.176.173 Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Speaking of interference... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193863496 X-Yahoo-Profile: sillett There is ample information about BPL on the ARRL web site http://www.arrl.org. Although I am not a fan of BPL, some of the stuff on the ARRL page does seem to be hyperbole. Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Douglas wrote: > > > > > I'm hearing that broadband Internet via power lines > > will disrupt shortwave reception... > > and CB radio, too. Can anyone speak to the > > likelihood of this? > > > The answer is yes, and up to at least 90 megahertz.... > > > > > Powell > > ===== > powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Oct 28 01:47:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18237 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2004 08:47:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2004 08:47:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2004 08:47:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 08:47:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 08:47:44 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60592 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2004 00:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2004 00:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2004 00:28:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 00:27:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 00:27:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:27:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 510 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.205 Subject: Re: WIND drops IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Oct 2004 08:47:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 If Tom is describing what he's hearing on his IBOC-equipped radio, and not hearing what everyone else is hearing, I think I know why. One word: DSP. Since the Visteon is a DSP-based IBOC/C-QUAM radio, it probably goes that through DSP, the IBOC hash is conveniently masked, making it possible to listen to adjacent stations without notable interference. It also means one other thing: Once again, WHY IBOC???? Clearly the answer to AM reception is DSP! It's already there! Albatross. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Oct 28 01:49:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 65049 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2004 08:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2004 08:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2004 08:49:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 08:48:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 08:48:37 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15970 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2004 01:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2004 01:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2004 01:02:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 01:02:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 01:02:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:02:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2249 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.205 Subject: Re: CCU Low Fi Broadcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Oct 2004 08:48:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > One aspect of this debate that disturbs me is the seeming attempt to > marginalize DX'ers and AM stereo enthusiasts as somehow an archaic, > oddball bunch of people whose needs are irrelevant. This tactic, if > employed in a university debate setting, would immediately lose the > debate for IBOC proponents. So the question I would have is - what > is it about IBOC that makes it necessary to silence all opposition > by marginalizing them? Is this an attempt to shift focus away from > technical weaknesses - that would come to light if the opposing > point of view is examined out in the open? This problem is endemic to any debate done in America these days. Once, the method of debate could be likened to baseball, but lately, debate has become more like football- To mow the other down without allowing the give and take of merits on either side. We, as a society, have lost all care to listen to all sides, whether as participants or spectators. No matter how lame a reasoning is, it's used to hammer over the head of the opponent as a way to say it's a better argument. No give or take. No listening. I'm right, you're wrong, F*** YOU! Welcome to 21st Century America, ladies and gentlemen! > I hope I am not being rude in this post, that isn't my intention. > This whole thing, though, reeks of bad engineering, hasty > implementation to avoid real objective analysis, lack of > consideration of competing proposals such as CAM-D, big money > politics, and metropolitan areas putting their concerns over the > rest of the country. Yes, this is why I question the very validity of the IBOC proponents, and, in all honesty, why I question the credibility of Tom and Kerry as engineers- Something I really would not want to do, but as this is another endemic problem, one within broadcast engineering, and that is we have quite a few UNDER-qualified engineers throughout this country. I think we can all tell stories of bad engineering, whether as listeners or engineers, orselves. You might have the creds, but since credential standards are as low as they are these days, that doesn't mean much anymore. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Oct 28 01:49:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 65228 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2004 08:49:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2004 08:49:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2004 08:49:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 08:48:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 08:48:23 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55974 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2004 00:39:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2004 00:39:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2004 00:39:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 00:39:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 00:39:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:39:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1927 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.205 Subject: Re: WIND drops IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Oct 2004 08:48:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > I'm actually 30 miles to the west of > > Boston....WBZ is IBOC....I can easily listen to 1010 WINS and 1000 > > WMVP from Chicage, haven't heard anything on 1020 or 1040 (and > > wouldn't expect to here), and have heard 1050 WEPN. > > It would be nice to know what kind of amazing receiver and antenna > you are using to provide these results, since it appears to be > magically immune to the kind of interference which many of us have > been hearing, even when using receivers with excellent sensitivity > and selectivity. As I said in my previous post, I think it's the Visteon, and the whole DSP thing is why he's getting such amazing reception. Someone once said MONTHS ago, that IBOC was not the answer to AM's woes, but DSP was. That's right, all on the receiver end. Build a good radio and get good reception! Broadcasting IBOC obviously holds absolutely no advantage whatsoever in the quality of broadcast or reception. None. Nada. Then how the ******* **** can you justify the ******* cost!!! (Insert expletives of appropriate length, as appropriate.) > > So to answer your question, WOR is not concerned about the effect > > of WLW's IBOC sidebands in the NYC suburbs. Our signal was just > > fine during tests. > > I think the _listeners_ will determine whether WOR's signal was > "just fine" if/when WLW begins nighttime broadcasts, since their > experiences with radio reception can (and will) be far different > than what "experts" observe when using a carefully selected group > of equipment in carefully controlled situations. A station without listeners is a waste of power, service, and whatever talent there may be. Such a station loses its justification to exist, unless they want to be the American equivalent of the Cuban jammer. Totally useless, like an albatross around the neck. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Oct 28 01:50:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93373 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2004 08:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2004 08:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2004 08:50:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 08:48:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 08:48:46 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61065 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2004 04:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2004 04:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2004 04:37:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 04:37:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 04:37:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 04:37:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 259 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.205 Subject: Re: OT: Speaking of interference... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Oct 2004 08:48:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 How would -you- like it if this (BPL) was implemented on miles and miles of -unshieled- wire? If the power companies are serious about BPL, I'd suggest they get their actr together and start shielding the wires to reduce any and all RFI. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Oct 28 07:12:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43697 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2004 14:12:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2004 14:12:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2004 14:12:41 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.17.38]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:12:39 -0600 Message-ID: <002d01c4bcf8$72750740$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:14:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2004 14:12:40.0240 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F29DB00:01C4BCF8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CCU Low Fi Broadcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > We, as a society, have lost all care to listen to all sides, whether > as participants or spectators. No matter how lame a reasoning is, > it's used to hammer over the head of the opponent as a way to say > it's a better argument. No give or take. No listening. I'm right, > you're wrong, F*** YOU! You mean like Michael Moore, or does that only apply to Rush and his ilk? > > Yes, this is why I question the very validity of the IBOC proponents, > and, in all honesty, why I question the credibility of Tom and Kerry > as engineers- Something I really would not want to do, but as this is > another endemic problem, one within broadcast engineering, and that > is we have quite a few UNDER-qualified engineers throughout this > country. I may not agree with them on a lot of things, but they could run circles around me as an engineer. Despite not being in the top 10 stations in NYC, Buckley is still making a handsome profit on WOR and they wouldn't let just any fools be on their engineering staff. BTW, I'm in complete agreement with you that DSP could handle AM's problems better than IBOC. Scott Todd From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Oct 28 07:18:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85958 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2004 14:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2004 14:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2004 14:18:21 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.17.38]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:17:59 -0600 Message-ID: <003501c4bcf9$30fecca0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:19:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2004 14:17:59.0778 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED9F7C20:01C4BCF8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: OT {AMSF} Re: The Beast (317C) Was: The new BE 50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Paul Ehrlich was wrong 30 years ago and he's still wrong today. Nowhere can I think of anyone who has been more consistently discredited and yet still more widely hailed. And the US refused to sign Kyoto because it would cause economic collapse here. And folks are complaining about our <6% national unemployment. In the words of an old top-40 tune "You ain't seen nothin' yet." ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > We should think more seriously about resource management, but > industry is not interested in something like that, as long as they > get their supplies in by the end of the quarter so they can look good > for the stockholders. From zebra@strangeanimals.net Thu Oct 28 13:57:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 885 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2004 20:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2004 20:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2004 20:57:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 20:56:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 20:56:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:56:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 614 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "amradiozebra" X-Originating-IP: 67.164.23.118 Subject: KABL AM vs KABL FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra Okay so KABL FM is now on the air and with a really good reciever I can pull it in at home. Well, once I find a "node" where it works well anyway. They are broadcasting the sweetest sound I've heard from a station in a long time. Not over compressed like most stations. It's a revelation to be reminded just how ****ing fabulous FM sounds. When you are "in the contour" anyway. My car has a fantastic diversity tuned radio and driving up the 280 reception is "poor to fair" and I'm sure most modern radios wouldn' thave a chance. But D**M it sounds nice. Maybe we need to work on fm broadcasters too. From Bossmsx@aol.com Thu Oct 28 15:03:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78425 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2004 22:03:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2004 22:03:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2004 22:03:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 22:03:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 22:03:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:03:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 918 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Off to Boston. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Off to Boston on Monday, to cover the elections. Am taking my SRF-M100, thanks Jeff L. for the 'heads up' on what's Stereo and what's not. Since the M100 is 9khz., I can get WJIB-sort of....Closest I can get to 740 is 738. I know if I'm 1khz. away I don't have a problem (I also know WLYN is 1360, and my radio does 1359 but I'm apparently not within a good signal range of it), but have dueling stories as to whether or not 2khz. away I will have a problem for the radio to pop into Stereo...At home, it's no problem to get the M100 to go Stereo with my Alf. Lite on 1242, but that's a pretty wide bandwidth we're talking about, in excess of the NRSC's 10khz, so in the real world we might be dealing with less. Also might want to know, as I'm considering a trip to Columbus, OH, where WMNI is Stereo on 920, and my M100 only goes as far as 918 with the 9khz. plan. Anyone want to chime in? --tony s. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 28 16:27:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53087 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2004 23:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2004 23:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2004 23:27:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 23:27:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2004 23:27:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:27:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 672 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 68.130.156.26 Subject: Re: Off to Boston. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Since the M100 is 9khz., I can get WJIB-sort of....Closest I can > get to 740 is 738. I know if I'm 1khz. away I don't have a problem > (I also know WLYN is 1360, and my radio does 1359 but I'm > apparently not within a good signal range of it), but have dueling > stories as to whether or not 2khz. away I will have a problem for > the radio to pop into Stereo... It shouldn't be a problem... I have a Panasonic AM Stereo walkman which can be set for 9 kHz tuning, and a Becker car radio with AM Stereo which has 1 kHz fine-tuning, and both will successfully receive AM Stereo when tuned 2 kHz away from a signal, or even 3 or 4 kHz away on fairly strong signals. From oldphones@webtv.net Thu Oct 28 19:09:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14807 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2004 02:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2004 02:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.138) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2004 02:09:11 -0000 Received: from storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 23FE4D657 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id TAA07638; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:09:10 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRSK/6dji5lYPncdAioqwkW2qA40AIUO5N2kHYRtF+oPZ5jvdTxH+AByCo= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:09:10 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <10573-4181A646-8155@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 28 Oct 2004 20:44:47 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.138 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1364 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 A couple of comments On DSP Visteon ( Ford) Is waaaayyy ahead of the curve on this concept. ( And I used to work for a Visteon repair center) It's application with IBOC seems a logical advance. I am lead to think that some of the advance Visteon models could get both IBOC digital and C-Quam by changing the Codec. Next, FOR Tom Ray Here are those local Omaha stations relatively close to KFAB on 1110. 1020 KOIL Country (1110 KFAB) 1180 KYDS Radio Disney 1290 KKAR The "other" talk station in town Whether IBOC would cause notable inference to the other locals is hard to say. Intentional or unintended interference to other AUTHORISED communications (even if dozens OR hundreds of miles away) is just plain WRONG, and Possibly Illegal......Under the various radio acts, treaties 1927, 1934, etc.... Some budding genius needs to build/ develop a IBOC Filter at the transmitter to filter out (trap) the out of channel side bands that IBOC is claimed to generate..... We are lucky in Omaha that the AM band , especially the lower part of the band is relativity clear in the Eastern Nebraska, Western Iowa area NO local Omaha stations between 670 to 1010 Khz 840 KTIC ( West Point, NE), 920 KYFR, and 960 KMA are all about 60 miles away. Omaha is in the secondary service area(s). I could just imagine IF 920 KYFR and 960 KMA BOTH in Shanadoah, Iowa had IBOC, they might wipe each other out with the unusual 40 kc spacing between local stations!!! Being a small, small market they are lucky to have TWO Shanadoah stations, and I seriously doubt they KYFR/KMA could afford to convert to digital anytime soon........... Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 From kya1260@lycos.com Fri Oct 29 09:46:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91469 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2004 16:46:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2004 16:46:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2004 16:46:05 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 2785A1800304 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:45:04 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Oct 2004 16:45:03 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DF97D86B0C; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:45:02 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:45:02 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:45:02 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20041029164502.DF97D86B0C@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Jay Arnold" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.95.242 Subject: Re: {AMSF} KABL AM vs KABL FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ I have just been informed that KABL's call letters,=20 on the AM side, are now at 1460 KC...in Salinas! In an interesting move, the 1460 simulcasts KABL-FM=20 (92.1 MC) and Jim Lange's show - but breaks off at=20 10 a.m. to become, "1460, The Paisano," in reference=20 to the majority of songs performed by Dean Martin,=20 Frank Sinatra, Jerry Vale, Perry Como, etc. etc. And, no, KABL 1460 is not, nor does it plan to be, in=20 AM Stereo... A fellow in San Jose tuned it in - barely. So I doubt=20 we'll hear it in the general San Francisco Bay Area... How will "The Paisano" compete against the long-established 630 KIDD (Mono AM) and its "Music Of Your Life," with Mike Cleary (ex-KABL DJ), I believe, in morning-drive?!? Stay tuned!! --Jay ************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: "amradiozebra" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} KABL AM vs KABL FM Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:56:06 -0000 >=20 >=20 > Okay so KABL FM is now on the air and with a really good reciever I=20 > can pull it in at home. Well, once I find a "node" where it works=20 > well anyway.=20 >=20 > They are broadcasting the sweetest sound I've heard from a station=20 > in a long time. Not over compressed like most stations. It's a=20 > revelation to be reminded just how ****ing fabulous FM sounds. >=20 > When you are "in the contour" anyway. My car has a fantastic=20 > diversity tuned radio and driving up the 280 reception is "poor to=20 > fair" and I'm sure most modern radios wouldn' thave a chance. >=20 > But D**M it sounds nice. >=20 > Maybe we need to work on fm broadcasters too. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Oct 29 17:59:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61451 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2004 00:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2004 00:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2004 00:59:28 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.20.18]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:59:26 -0600 Message-ID: <001301c4be1b$f9c75080$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <10573-4181A646-8155@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:01:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2004 00:59:27.0614 (UTC) FILETIME=[B492F1E0:01C4BE1B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1364 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Filter out something that's being *intentionally* generated in the first place? Better to not generate them to begin with, but then you'd be left with a digital system that's pretty fragile. I'm not sure what the best solution is- I wonder how soon DSP radios could be cheap enough for a Mary Kate & Ashley radio? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > Some budding genius needs to build/ develop a IBOC Filter at the > transmitter to filter out (trap) the out of channel side bands that IBOC > is claimed to generate..... From k6BLABBER@comcast.net Fri Oct 29 18:35:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: phonebone@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16272 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2004 01:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2004 01:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay1.mail2web.com) (168.144.1.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2004 01:35:39 -0000 Received: from M2W088.mail2web.com ([168.144.251.200]) by relay1.mail2web.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:35:39 -0400 Message-ID: <252680-220041063013538941@M2W088.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:35:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-Path: phonebone@comcast.net X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2004 01:35:39.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2D89020:01C4BE20] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.144.1.81 X-eGroups-From: "phonebone@comcast.net" From: "phonebone@comcast.net" Reply-To: phonebone@comcast.net X-Originating-IP: 144.160.130.16 Subject: RE: KABL AM vs KABL FM..{AMSF} Digest Number 1365 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153105479 X-Yahoo-Profile: K6BLAbber You guys could probably appreciate this. When KABL switched to 92.1=20 FM, I tried an experiment with my car radio. I live and work in=20 Stockton, and I pulled into work with my OEM Delco stereo tuned to=20 92.1 FM. There is a weak country western station in Sacramento on=20 that frequency, but if I pull up close to my building, which is an=20 L-shaped bunker-like beastie, and use the building to wrap around=20 the car to block from the north and east, I get a very nice and=20 clear KABL-FM on 92.1!! It worked because Walnut Creek is south- west of me. Ah, that good old FM capture effect!=20=20 This means I could stick a very directional FM antenna outside at=20 home and probably get a very respectable signal from KABL. I'm=20 going to try that soon. Their AM signal never really made it=20 here in Stockton, although I did enjoy them in bright sparkling=20 AM stereo whenever I was in the bay area. On my last trip down=20 there, the only place I could pick up their FM signal was around=20 the 580-680 interchange, and it was really a scratchy weak signal.=20=20 :( I couldn't get them at all in Sunnyvale, Redwood City or San=20 Carlos, the three places where I really tried. I'll bet their old=20 listeners from that area are really upset about that.=20=20 Scott >Original Message: > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:45:02 -0800 > From: "Jay Arnold" >Subject: Re: KABL AM vs KABL FM > >I have just been informed that KABL's call letters,=20 >on the AM side, are now at 1460 KC...in Salinas! > >In an interesting move, the 1460 simulcasts KABL-FM=20 >(92.1 MC) and Jim Lange's show - but breaks off at=20 >10 a.m. to become, "1460, The Paisano," in reference=20 >to the majority of songs performed by Dean Martin,=20 >Frank Sinatra, Jerry Vale, Perry Como, etc. etc. > >And, no, KABL 1460 is not, nor does it plan to be, in=20 >AM Stereo... > >A fellow in San Jose tuned it in - barely. So I doubt=20 >we'll hear it in the general San Francisco Bay Area... > >How will "The Paisano" compete against the long-established >630 KIDD (Mono AM) and its "Music Of Your Life," with >Mike Cleary (ex-KABL DJ), I believe, in morning-drive?!? > >Stay tuned!! >--Jay >************************************* > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "amradiozebra" >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} KABL AM vs KABL FM >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:56:06 -0000 > >=20 >=20 > Okay so KABL FM is now on the air and with a really good reciever I=20 > can pull it in at home. Well, once I find a "node" where it works=20 > well anyway.=20 >=20 > They are broadcasting the sweetest sound I've heard from a station=20 > in a long time. Not over compressed like most stations. It's a=20 > revelation to be reminded just how ****ing fabulous FM sounds. >=20 > When you are "in the contour" anyway. My car has a fantastic=20 > diversity tuned radio and driving up the 280 reception is "poor to=20 > fair" and I'm sure most modern radios wouldn' thave a chance. >=20 > But D**M it sounds nice. >=20 > Maybe we need to work on fm broadcasters too. >=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From jeffdeck@aol.com Sat Oct 30 00:30:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87020 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2004 07:30:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2004 07:30:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2004 07:30:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2004 07:30:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2004 07:30:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:30:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1190 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.208.112.25 Subject: Attention: TM-152 Owners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 To all Realistic TM-152 owners, If you are fortunate to own the infamous Radio Shack TM-152 AM stereo tuner, I am offering a special tune-up for a nominal fee. This tune-up will bring this tuner into the 21st century, and includes the following modifications: * Replace existing LA1245 "entire tuner on a chip" with Sanyo LA1247. This will improve the subchannel signal-to-noise ratio, as the new IC chip has a special low-phase noise local oscillator circuit. * Remove bass-blocking circuitry, to restore frequencies below 200 Hertz. This restores the lower bass frequencies, and does not make the tuner sound "tinny" anymore. * Restore extended band tuning to 1700 kHz. * Increase the sensitivity from the internal ferrite loopstick antenna. This special limited time offer is $20.00 in USD plus return shipping cost (typically $10.00 to the lower 48 states). I do not have wideband ceramic filters at 450 kHz intermediate frequency, so would retain the original stock filter. If interested, please visit my web site and contact me from the address provided. Thank you! 73, Jeff Deck For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit http://meduci.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Oct 30 11:43:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88123 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2004 18:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2004 18:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2004 18:43:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2004 18:43:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2004 18:43:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 18:43:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1568 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.7 Subject: From 3MP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Spotted on the Broadcast.net list: =================================================================== From: Peter Smerdon Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:45:19 +1000 At 01:41 AM 22/10/04, you wrote: > Music AM still does quite well in Austraila. And yes, virtually > all the AM stations run C-Quam stereo. Perhaps some of our Aussie > friends out there can provide more details. > > -D Err, not my experience. AM-Stereo is moribund in Australia. We all started with a bang in mid-80's and it's been dying a slow death ever since. Same old problem - no profile, and lack of receivers. That's in spite of the regulators here mandating C-QUAM from day one. (I'll spare you my usual diatribe about an industry shooting itself in the foot). Most existing AM Stereo stations are just running the exciters they installed back then (Motorola and Delta mainly). Usually, when they break, they are taken out of service. Other changes at stations sometimes result in AM-S being turned off for good. Just like the US, there are a few AM Stereo "enthusiasts" here in Oz. I've got one in my city, who tried to convince me to turn my AM easy listening music station back to stereo. A studio move meant I lost my STL path. Going back to terrestrial lines gave me an additional cost of about $25,000 per year for stereo vs mono. He seemed to think our paying that money was a fair thing so he could (occasionally) listen to it in stereo .. he even admitted that he mainly listened to a competitor. Peter Smerdon Chief Engineer Radio 3MP / sen-1116 Melbourne, Australia From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Oct 30 19:53:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8597 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2004 02:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2004 02:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2004 02:53:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2004 02:52:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2004 02:52:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 02:52:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1145 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.134 Subject: 1210 WPHT in mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I noticed that 1210 WPHT in Philadelphia has not been broadcasting an AM Stereo signal this week. At first I suspected they might have decided to transmit their talk programming in mono and their music programming in Stereo, just like WWDB-FM used to do, but I just checked Sid Mark's music program tonight and it was in mono as well. I sent WPHT an e-mail earlier in the week asking about the lack of Stereo, but so far no response from them. I may e-mail Sid Mark about this as well, as I don't think it was a coincidence that as soon as his music program moved to WPHT, the station resumed full-time broadcasts in AM Stereo, after several years of transmitting in mono. I also recall that several years ago, WPHT's engineer temporarily switched the signal to mono to see if produced any noticeable improvement in signal coverage, but it did not, so he switched it back to stereo, which it remained until about a week ago. WPHT's audio is still currently full 10 kHz bandwidth, but there is no C-Quam pilot tone and no audible separation in their programming, even when listening on a Sony SRF-42 in "forced stereo" mode. From brucec@mindspring.com Sat Oct 30 20:05:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37796 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2004 03:05:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2004 03:05:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2004 03:05:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2004 03:05:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2004 03:05:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 03:05:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 800 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.226.42.93 Subject: Re: Attention: TM-152 Owners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Well, I have already done all of these, plus a couple more. But I can vouch for the suggestions he makes. An excellent source of wide band AM ceramic filters are these wireless mice and keyboards that they sell. I can find them for $10 or 15 - the mice have one ceramic filter, the mouse / keyboard combos have two. If you want to get these fabulous ceramic filters, act now because the basic design of these devices will be changing in a few months to eliminate the ceramic filters. I find that a two foot loop antenna couples a lot of DX capability into the TM-152. Being broadband, they are not meant to be great on selectivity, but those special ceramic filters give really good alternate channel rejection. I can get a distant 640 in between local 620 and 660 powerhouses. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Oct 30 21:46:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3871 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2004 04:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2004 04:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2004 04:46:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2004 04:46:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2004 04:46:35 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25140 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2004 03:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2004 03:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2004 03:22:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2004 03:22:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2004 03:22:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 03:22:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 269 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.244 Subject: Re: 1210 WPHT in mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 31 Oct 2004 04:46:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= As with everything else, the exciter probably pooped out, and is being repaired, or they decided that once it did poop out, they're not going to bother replacing it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Oct 30 21:46:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9323 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2004 04:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2004 04:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2004 04:46:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2004 04:46:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2004 04:46:46 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50715 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2004 04:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2004 04:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2004 04:36:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2004 04:36:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2004 04:36:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 04:36:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1135 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: Attention: TM-152 Owners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 31 Oct 2004 04:46:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 Are 450kHz filters available in those wireless mice/keyboards? If they're 455, is it possible to adapt them in a digitally-tuned radio that tunes in 10kHz increments and uses a 450kHz filter? Also what are the specs on them? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > Well, I have already done all of these, plus a couple more. But I > can vouch for the suggestions he makes. > > An excellent source of wide band AM ceramic filters are these > wireless mice and keyboards that they sell. I can find them for $10 > or 15 - the mice have one ceramic filter, the mouse / keyboard > combos have two. If you want to get these fabulous ceramic filters, > act now because the basic design of these devices will be changing > in a few months to eliminate the ceramic filters. > > I find that a two foot loop antenna couples a lot of DX capability > into the TM-152. Being broadband, they are not meant to be great on > selectivity, but those special ceramic filters give really good > alternate channel rejection. I can get a distant 640 in between > local 620 and 660 powerhouses. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Oct 30 22:40:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5316 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2004 05:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2004 05:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.198.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2004 05:40:49 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20041031045155015007cpute>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 04:51:56 +0000 To: Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:52:15 -0400 Message-ID: <008d01c4bf05$6822cf70$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.198.39 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: 1210 WPHT in mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Isn't WPHT on the list to go IBOC? They're probably getting ready... :( Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 11:23 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: 1210 WPHT in mono --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= As with everything else, the exciter probably pooped out, and is being repaired, or they decided that once it did poop out, they're not going to bother replacing it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From dav259@csiro.au Sat Oct 30 23:55:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24192 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2004 06:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2004 06:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au) (150.229.64.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2004 06:55:18 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (138.194.10.10) by vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au with ESMTP; 31 Oct 2004 17:55:16 +1100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-Ironport-AV: i="3.86,111,1096812000"; d="scan'208"; a="11275449:sNHT16672172" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i9V6tFfI021000 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:55:15 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:55:15 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 150.229.64.37 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} From 3MP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Hmmmmm. And I'm the "one". I believe 3MP's engineer has twisted the facts to suit his story below. 3MP lost its line of sight STL-transmitter when its studios were in bayside Frankston. When it moved into 3AK's new purpose built studios in Richmond last year we were initially blessed with stereo again. I don't believe that this was because 3MP had paid $25,000 but simply that line of sight to the Roweville transmitter was available. He not only stopped it but turned off the pilot as well. And in 3AK's case he's never turned the pilot on. He's right about one thing though. In the last 10 years Magic 693 has been a much better AM stereo station. Ian Melbourne >___________________________ > From: Peter Smerdon > Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:45:19 +1000 > > At 01:41 AM 22/10/04, you wrote: > > Music AM still does quite well in Austraila. And yes, virtually > > all the AM stations run C-Quam stereo. Perhaps some of our Aussie > > friends out there can provide more details. > > > > -D > > Err, not my experience. > > AM-Stereo is moribund in Australia. > We all started with a bang in mid-80's and it's been dying a slow > death ever since. > Same old problem - no profile, and lack of receivers. > That's in spite of the regulators here mandating C-QUAM from day one. > > (I'll spare you my usual diatribe about an industry shooting itself > in the foot). > > Most existing AM Stereo stations are just running the exciters they > installed back then (Motorola and Delta mainly). > Usually, when they break, they are taken out of service. Other > changes at stations sometimes result in AM-S being turned off for > good. > > Just like the US, there are a few AM Stereo "enthusiasts" here in Oz. > I've got one in my city, who tried to convince me to turn my AM easy > listening music station back to stereo. > A studio move meant I lost my STL path. Going back to terrestrial > lines gave me an additional cost of about $25,000 per year for stereo > vs mono. > He seemed to think our paying that money was a fair thing so he could > (occasionally) listen to it in stereo .. he even admitted that he > mainly listened to a competitor. > > Peter Smerdon > Chief Engineer > Radio 3MP / sen-1116 > Melbourne, Australia From chris@lledgerock.com Sun Oct 31 11:27:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: chris@lledgerock.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5094 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2004 19:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2004 19:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2004 19:27:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2004 19:27:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2004 19:27:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:27:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 293 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Chris" X-Originating-IP: 216.238.164.2 Subject: Sony XR-F5100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119481567 X-Yahoo-Profile: vegeto585 Quick question: Are Sony headunits such as the XR-F5100 which I just recently purchased to replace the pioneer in my truck easily modifiable? I'm getting this to have a tape player for my XM, and a CD/MP3 changer, instead of venturing for an eBay nissan ams radio and risk it being doa. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Oct 31 12:52:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12942 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2004 20:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2004 20:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2004 20:52:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2004 20:52:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2004 20:52:13 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74797 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2004 06:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2004 06:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2004 06:35:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2004 06:34:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2004 06:34:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 06:34:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008d01c4bf05$6822cf70$6400a8c0@AMD> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 200 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.244 Subject: {AMSF} Re: 1210 WPHT in mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 31 Oct 2004 20:52:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Lehmann" wrote: > Isn't WPHT on the list to go IBOC? They're probably getting ready... :( I thought I read that, too.. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Oct 31 12:58:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8823 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2004 20:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2004 20:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2004 20:58:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2004 20:58:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2004 20:58:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:58:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008d01c4bf05$6822cf70$6400a8c0@AMD> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 643 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.1 Subject: {AMSF} Re: 1210 WPHT in mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Lehmann" wrote: > Isn't WPHT on the list to go IBOC? They're probably getting > ready... :( They're not on iBiquity's list of stations which are planning to use IBOC. You may be confusing them with the other 50 kW Infinity-owned station in Philadelphia, 1060 KYW -- which used "We're getting ready for IBOC" as an excuse for shutting off their AM Stereo in the late '90s. As far as I know, KYW still has a C-Quam exciter in their equipment rack, sitting unused since then. And despite what they said 7 years ago, KYW does not currently have any plans to use IBOC either. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Oct 31 13:27:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89628 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2004 21:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2004 21:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2004 21:27:18 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.23.43]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:26:56 -0700 Message-ID: <002501c4bf90$a0409780$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:28:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2004 21:26:56.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[5950F450:01C4BF90] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Attention: TM-152 Owners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Chris Cuff could most likely provide the definitive answer, but I'll venture probably not. 450 replaced 455 as a common IF because 450 was easier to do by frequency synthesizer and 455 is just far enough off. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > Are 450kHz filters available in those wireless mice/keyboards? If > they're 455, is it possible to adapt them in a digitally-tuned radio > that tunes in 10kHz increments and uses a 450kHz filter? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Oct 31 21:09:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24611 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2004 05:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2004 05:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 05:09:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2004 05:08:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2004 05:08:59 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70944 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2004 03:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2004 03:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 03:32:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2004 03:32:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2004 03:32:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 03:32:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002501c4bf90$a0409780$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1204 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: Attention: TM-152 Owners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 01 Nov 2004 05:08:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 Anyone know where I could get some good 450kHz filters, for example something that has a -6dB range at +/- 8.5kHz and a -60dB at +/- 10kHz? (and btw I've noticed that filters I've looked at on my dad's test equipment drops down to a null and comes back up a bit - I'd want it to come up to no more than 50dB or 48dB or so. Also, what's the best I can expect to get (assuming I'm not trying to fit it into a Walkman, but don't want a behemoth the size of a GE Superradio) for audio quality on a certain distant AM Stereo station without having any trace (or very little) of a local very close by station 20 kHz away? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Chris Cuff could most likely provide the definitive answer, but I'll venture > probably not. 450 replaced 455 as a common IF because 450 was easier to do > by frequency synthesizer and 455 is just far enough off. > > ST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" > > > Are 450kHz filters available in those wireless mice/keyboards? If > > they're 455, is it possible to adapt them in a digitally-tuned radio > > that tunes in 10kHz increments and uses a 450kHz filter? From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Nov 01 13:51:50 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From dav259@csiro.au Mon Nov 01 19:33:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10915 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2004 03:33:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2004 03:33:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au) (150.229.64.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 03:33:00 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (138.194.10.10) by vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2004 14:31:58 +1100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-Ironport-AV: i="3.86,113,1096812000"; d="scan'208"; a="11520289:sNHT43338036" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA23VwfI028891 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 14:31:58 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 14:31:58 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 150.229.64.37 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: From 3MP and world peace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Dave wrote: > Is Magic the only AMS station in Melbourne Ian ? No Dave There's SEN 1116 (sport talk - formerly 3AK) in stereo - no pilot. And Sport 927 (the racing station 3UZ) - is stereo. And News/Talk 3AW broadcasting a mono signal with the stereo pilot on. It's a shame that Magic just lost 0.9% in the latest ratings - the biggest loss of any station. Hey - I know I shouldn't do this but seeing as I'm here I feel I have to. Fling me (as Bob has done) if you will ... On behalf of most of the people in the rest of the world ... PLEASE DON'T VOTE FOR GEORGE W BUSH. I won't go into the the reasons why. But even with your pathetic media situation I'm sure you know what I mean. I could write a book. I'm not advocating a vote for Kerry. But he seems a decent man. What I am saying to Bush supporters is - for the sake of world peace - please don't vote at all! Ian Melbourne From tomray@wor710.com Tue Nov 02 10:54:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16156 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2004 18:54:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2004 18:54:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 18:54:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2004 18:53:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2004 18:53:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 18:53:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1297 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: CCU Low Fi Broadcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > Yes, this is why I question the very validity of the IBOC proponents, > and, in all honesty, why I question the credibility of Tom and Kerry > as engineers- Something I really would not want to do, but as this is > another endemic problem, one within broadcast engineering, and that > is we have quite a few UNDER-qualified engineers throughout this > country. > > I think we can all tell stories of bad engineering, whether as > listeners or engineers, orselves. > > You might have the creds, but since credential standards are as low > as they are these days, that doesn't mean much anymore. > Amy, I'm surprised at your statements, particularly since I haven't had any issue with you except to agree to disagree. I won't put up with a personal attack from anyone in this forum, and that includes you. However, I will put my credentials up against anyones. I have come up through the ranks, having had to earn my FCC First Class license, and have learned from some of the best in the industry. Just because you and others do not like the IBOC system does not mean you attack people's credentials. Want to put mine up against yours on this or any topic broadcast engineering related? Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Nov 02 10:56:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50184 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2004 18:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2004 18:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 18:56:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2004 18:55:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2004 18:55:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 18:55:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002d01c4bcf8$72750740$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 621 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: {AMSF} Re: CCU Low Fi Broadcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I may not agree with them on a lot of things, but they could run circles > around me as an engineer. Despite not being in the top 10 stations in NYC, > Buckley is still making a handsome profit on WOR and they wouldn't let just > any fools be on their engineering staff. BTW, I'm in complete agreement > with you that DSP could handle AM's problems better than IBOC. > > Scott Todd Scott: Thank you for the compliment. We, of course, can agree to disagree. That's the American way. Speaking of which, don't forget to vote! Tom Ray WOR From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Nov 02 11:46:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23040 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2004 19:45:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2004 19:45:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 19:45:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2004 19:45:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2004 19:45:17 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19367 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2004 07:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2004 07:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 07:26:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2004 07:25:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2004 07:25:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 07:25:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 269 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.210 Subject: Interlude. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 02 Nov 2004 19:45:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 o/~ "Pilot of the Airwaves, here's my request. You don't have to play it, but I hopy you do your best. I've been listening to your show on the radio, and you seem like a friend to me. o/~ Don't mind me, I'm just on one of those moods. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue Nov 02 15:59:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73665 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2004 23:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2004 23:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 23:59:10 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.38.100]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:59:00 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c4c138$37571600$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:00:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2004 23:59:02.0494 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED7C87E0:01C4C137] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: From 3MP and world peace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Capitulation and appeasement- just what those terrorists need us to do to get them to realize the error of their ways. Ian, I like you as a friend, but in this case -shaddap! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" > > I'm not advocating a vote for Kerry. But he seems a decent man. > > What I am saying to Bush supporters is - for the sake of world peace - > please don't vote at all! From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue Nov 02 16:11:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14715 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 00:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2004 00:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 00:11:34 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.38.100]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:10:51 -0700 Message-ID: <002501c4c139$de2ffcc0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:12:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2004 00:10:51.0917 (UTC) FILETIME=[9455E3D0:01C4C139] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Attention: TM-152 Owners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > Anyone know where I could get some good 450kHz filters, for example > something that has a -6dB range at +/- 8.5kHz and a -60dB at +/- > 10kHz? (and btw I've noticed that filters I've looked at on my dad's > test equipment drops down to a null and comes back up a bit - I'd want > it to come up to no more than 50dB or 48dB or so. Digikey handles them, but there's a $25 minimum order. I think you can find the specs online. Try the Toko website. For that matter, do a Google search on ceramic resonators and you'll likely end up with as much info as you can use. Doubtless there are other parts suppliers which have them. Not sure if Mouser does, but they don't have an onerous minimum order. > Also, what's the best I can expect to get (assuming I'm not trying to > fit it into a Walkman, but don't want a behemoth the size of a GE > Superradio) for audio quality on a certain distant AM Stereo station > without having any trace (or very little) of a local very close by > station 20 kHz away? Back to this again?? How many times do you need to be told it doesn't exist? About the only one that would give you a snowball's chance you know where would be the Fanfare FTA-100, and there's a reason it costs a mint- it takes that much in development, circuitry, and construction to get to that level of performance. The average Joe Sixpack isn't trying to do what you're trying to do, and the radios out there reflect that. ST From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Nov 02 17:50:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15906 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 01:50:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2004 01:50:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.180) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 01:50:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:50:00 -0800 Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY12-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 01:49:49 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 20:49:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2004 01:50:00.0944 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E3B5F00:01C4C147] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.180 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CCU Low Fi Broadcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > I question the credibility of Tom and Kerry as engineers- Something I really would not want to do, but as this is another endemic problem, one within broadcast engineering, and that is we have quite a few UNDER-qualified engineers throughout this country. Tom and Kerry are NOT under-qualified radio engineers! Do you honestly think WOR or Ibiquity would choose a pair of idiots to test a new transmission standard in the World's largest radio market? While I don't agree with them on what is the solution to the "AM Problem", I have no doubt that Tom and Kerry are among the "Best of the Best" AM Radio engineers in the country. If they were not, they wouldn't be where they are doing what they do. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From pmount2@att.net Tue Nov 02 20:33:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pmount2@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4101 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 04:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2004 04:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net) (204.127.131.117) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 04:33:11 -0000 Received: from 204.127.135.59 ([204.127.135.59]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <2004110304330711300d8k1ce>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:33:07 +0000 Received: from [24.228.89.34] by 204.127.135.59; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 04:33:06 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 04:33:06 +0000 Message-Id: <110320040433.16893.41885F8200064295000041FD2160280651CD9B029A01039F@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 18 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cG1vdW50MkBhdHQubmV0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.131.117 From: pmount2@att.net Subject: Re: IBOC important? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192157907 X-Yahoo-Profile: mount142 Why is it so important for AM stations to implement IBOC? Does a talk station really believe people are going to make an extra effort to listen to a talk station because the station tries to market its sound quality as better? (Sure...it sounds fantastic in the studio on the studio monitor... I used to hear this from AM Stereo engineers...who aren't 50 miles away still in the local coverage area driving near power lines, etc etc) From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Nov 03 01:08:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47234 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 09:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2004 09:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.241.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 09:08:13 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.5.10.101]) by fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041103090746.RHN10899.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:07:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 01:07:46 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <110320040433.16893.41885F8200064295000041FD2160280651CD9B029A01039F@att.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.38 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC important? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is an argument against anything over 5 kHz as well. And, who needs=20 stereo at all for talk??? Really, this is an argument against analog if ever there was one. What=20 the IBOC proponents hope is that power lines WON'T affect the signal.=20 And that perhaps more than news/talk will return to AM. Richard On Tuesday, November 2, 2004, at 08:33 PM, pmount2@att.net wrote: > Why is it so important for AM stations to implement IBOC? > Does a talk station really believe > people are going to make an extra effort to listen to a talk station > because the station tries to market its sound quality as better? > > (Sure...it sounds fantastic in the studio on the studio monitor... > I used to hear this from AM Stereo engineers...who aren't 50 miles > away still in the local coverage area driving near power lines, etc=20 > etc) > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Nov 03 06:47:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43113 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 14:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2004 14:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 14:47:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2004 14:45:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2004 14:45:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:45:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <110320040433.16893.41885F8200064295000041FD2160280651CD9B029A01039F@att.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1501 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: IBOC important? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > Why is it so important for AM stations to implement IBOC? > Does a talk station really believe > people are going to make an extra effort to listen to a talk station > because the station tries to market its sound quality as better? I think Tom Ray has a situation where IBOC helps - the error correction algorithm inherent in the digital transmission helps with the horrific reflection and interference conditions in New York. I have yet to find anywhere in Dallas or Houston that has such conditions, however. It probably takes a continuous density of tall buildings with reflective surfaces that stretches for several miles. Perhaps Atlanta would have enough building density, maybe Chicago. I am not sure of LA - but they have enough mountains in and around the metro area to give David Eduardo's stations a problem with platform motion in AM stereo. IBOC may be the answer to the moutain reflection problem. I have found platform motion problems in one place in Dallas, where a street runs under power lines. It is not as unpleasant as static would be, but it ruins stereo separation and changes audio levels as well. I am certainly no IBOC advocate, but there are situations where IBOC solves real engineering problems for real stations. I don't think we should be too hard on the people engineering those stations because the IBOC system is fundamentally flawed. If they can make use of a flawed system to solve problems, then they are just doing their job. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 03 16:35:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11033 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2004 00:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2004 00:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52403.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.111) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2004 00:35:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20041104003533.28308.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.84] by web52403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:35:33 PST Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:35:33 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.111 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC important? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > This is an argument against anything over 5 kHz as > well. And, who needs > stereo at all for talk??? Sure, let's do this for FM too. Really, this is an argument against analog if ever >there was one. What the IBOC proponents hope is >that power lines WON'T affect the signal. >And that perhaps more than news/talk will return to >AM. > Richard But this is a very deceptive and specious claim. In strong signals area, there won't be any problem, but once signal strenght erodes with distance there's the treshold where the digital will fail, and most ungracefully. I know a lot of places where the powerline noise would preclude even IBOC. It even de-senses my 2 meter rig in the truck to the point of not hearing local repeaters! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Nov 03 17:00:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48978 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2004 01:00:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2004 01:00:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.191) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2004 01:00:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:00:01 -0800 Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY12-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:59:20 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20041104003533.28308.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:59:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2004 01:00:01.0061 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C934D50:01C4C209] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.191 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC important? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: >I know a lot of places where the powerline noise would preclude even IBOC. That is the one good thing about living here in Florida: The hurricanes blew down all of old corroded power lines, so all we have now are new lines with good connections! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Nov 03 18:03:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31546 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2004 02:03:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2004 02:03:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2004 02:03:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2004 02:03:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2004 02:03:43 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43169 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 18:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2004 18:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 18:40:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2004 18:40:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2004 18:40:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:40:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4416 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.210 Subject: Re: IBOC important? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 04 Nov 2004 02:03:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > > Why is it so important for AM stations to implement IBOC? > > Does a talk station really believe > > people are going to make an extra effort to listen to a talk > station > > because the station tries to market its sound quality as better? > > I think Tom Ray has a situation where IBOC helps - the error > correction algorithm inherent in the digital transmission helps with > the horrific reflection and interference conditions in New York. I disagree, since just applying DSP (which the Visteon uses) should overcome reception problems. > I have yet to find anywhere in Dallas or Houston that has such > conditions, however. It probably takes a continuous density of tall > buildings with reflective surfaces that stretches for several > miles. Perhaps Atlanta would have enough building density, maybe > Chicago. I am not sure of LA - but they have enough mountains in > and around the metro area to give David Eduardo's stations a problem > with platform motion in AM stereo. IBOC may be the answer to the > moutain reflection problem. I have found platform motion problems > in one place in Dallas, where a street runs under power lines. It > is not as unpleasant as static would be, but it ruins stereo > separation and changes audio levels as well. San Francisco is heavily "Manhattanized", especially in the eastern half of the City. > I am certainly no IBOC advocate, but there are situations where IBOC > solves real engineering problems for real stations. I don't think > we should be too hard on the people engineering those stations > because the IBOC system is fundamentally flawed. If they can make > use of a flawed system to solve problems, then they are just doing > their job. But again, I disagree: DSP can solve those problems quite handily WITHOUT the need for superfluous digital transmission systems that really don't add anything except more interference on most non-DSP radios. I'm not convinced IBOC has any serious added value that offsets its very strong negatives. Solutions that IBOC appears to offset can be done far less expensively for both broadcaster and consumer, with existing DSP technology. All I can see IBOC as is a very expensive RF paperweight- Not good for anything else of substantial note. OK, they're gonna say "what about RDS-type data? Are you aware that there IS an RDS specification for AM broadcasting that just happens to be compatible with AM stereo? Yes, there is- But it's never been actively implemented, largely due to the same inertia that effectively stalled AM stereo radio and gave rise to IBOC/"iDAB"/"HD Radio". Truth is, IBOC, both AM and FM, is totally redundant to the analog services with no real added value to the consumer for both- except that AM IBOC =DOES= implement RDS-type data services-- a technology that was rejected over 15 years ago because there were "no receivers available". FM IBOC is being touted to broadcasters for its multi-service delivery-- Not unlike SCA that already exists, but even its usage is falling off in recent years. About the only thing they could improve on that is to allow more functional "space" for more than just two SCA channels, but even that's not really a good selling point anymore. More on my exposition on SCA later- I still need to post my review of that radio from http://www.radiosca.com So tell me once again- What added value is IBOC? Who does it benefit? Will it benefit the average listener in any way- the ones who can't really afford the added cost of an IBOC receiver? Does the adjacent- channel interference benefit the listener in any way? Does the reduced audio benefit the listener in any way? I'm not convinced IBOC can deliver ANY added value, even when there are less expensive solutions available! DSP can overcome all the obstacles stations like WOR have in serving their listeners, especially multipath and RFI. Tell me again just what IBOC has over plain DSP? (There are even some receivers, like the Fanfare, that use "ASP" techniques- Analog, rather than digital, signal processing.) I'm just not convinced IBOC is the right solution for the the problems on both AM and FM. It's clear already that IBOC does not deliver any significant improvement over fidelity with either band, so...WHY?? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Nov 03 21:24:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91482 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2004 05:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2004 05:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.241.30) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2004 05:24:02 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.5.10.101]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041104052314.SZXM8770.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:23:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:23:08 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20041104003533.28308.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <9D23726A-2E21-11D9-B430-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.30 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC important? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not arguing the points. I'm just stating that an argument that IBOC=20 should not be used because it won't bring in new listeners to talk=20 stations is EXACTLY the same argument being made for reduced bandwidth=20 and loss of stereo. Do I agree? No. But it certainly doesn't further=20 analog stereo to make such a statement ... it actually does the=20 opposite. On Wednesday, November 3, 2004, at 04:35 PM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW=20 wrote: > > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > > > This is an argument against anything over 5 kHz as > > well. And, who needs > > stereo at all for talk??? > > Sure, let's do this for FM too. > > > Really, this is an argument against analog if ever > >there was one. What=A0 the IBOC proponents hope is > >that power lines WON'T affect the signal. > >And that perhaps more than news/talk will return to > >AM. > > > Richard > > But this is a very deceptive and specious claim.=A0 In > strong signals area, there won't be any problem, but > once signal strenght erodes with distance there's the > treshold where the digital will fail, and most > ungracefully.=A0 I know a lot of places where the > powerline noise would preclude even IBOC. It even > de-senses my 2 meter rig in the truck to the point of > not hearing local repeaters!=A0 > > Powell > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > powell@pcmessages.com=A0 http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Thu Nov 04 08:26:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40971 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2004 16:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2004 16:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2004 16:26:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2004 16:25:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2004 16:25:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 16:25:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 774 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 Subject: {AMSF} Re: CCU Low Fi Broadcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Amy, I love ya but.... Thanks to the hospitality of Tom and Kerry I've seen both the WOR transmitter site and studios. It's a classic radio station. Kerry's a great guy and Tom is a gentleman. With out a doubt both have their act together. You don't get to run a major New York City radio station as complex as WOR or be in a position like Tom's without being a pretty damn good engineer. iBiquity couldn't have found a better station to test their system on. Jerry WA2FNQ > Amy Mousie wrote: > > I question the credibility of Tom and Kerry as engineers- Something I > really would not want to do, but as this is another endemic problem, one > within broadcast engineering, and that is we have quite a few > UNDER-qualified engineers throughout this country. > From tomray@wor710.com Thu Nov 04 09:39:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69939 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2004 17:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2004 17:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2004 17:38:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2004 17:38:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2004 17:38:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:38:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 437 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: WPRO Morning Man Passes Away X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray First, thanks for the kind words over the past couple of posts. Next, Salty Brine, morning man on WPRO AM in Providence, RI, passed on yesterday. He worked at WPRO for 51 years, retiring when he was 75. I remember chatting with him whenever we did the morning show at Disney World (usually twice a year) when I worked at WTIC in the early '90's. Bob Steele on WTIC used to refer to him as "the kid". Truly a classic. Tom Ray WOR From starship_2001@msn.com Thu Nov 04 09:44:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77766 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2004 17:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2004 17:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.172.121) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2004 17:44:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:44:00 -0800 Received: from 209.240.207.111 by BAY5-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:43:48 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:43:48 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <3195-418A6A54-949@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Tom Ray" 's message of Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:38:47 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2004 17:44:00.0683 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE3027B0:01C4C295] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.172.121 X-eGroups-From: starship_2001@msn.com (Norbert 26) From: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: [209.240.207.111] Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPRO Morning Man Passes Away X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 I grew up to 630 WPRO. Salty was always there with morning traffic reports , operation snowball ETC. May he R.I.P. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Nov 04 18:52:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9087 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2004 02:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2004 02:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2004 02:52:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2004 02:52:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2004 02:52:36 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43467 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2004 01:03:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2004 01:03:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2004 01:03:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2004 01:02:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2004 01:02:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 01:02:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 954 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: 1-888-EARS-018; SRF-AX15, SRF-AX51V, SRF-A300, SRF-42, ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Nov 2004 02:52:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 I'm thinking about calling that phone number and possibly recommending one of those radios as a prize for kids to be able to win. I need to know what Radio Disney stations are currently in stereo (with separation - not just pilot tone)... and, are the SRF-AX15, 51V, and A300 decent for audio quality (and sensitivity and selectivity) compared to the SRF-42? Also is there a place I could suggest that they find an SRF-42? Or are there other recommended radios for a comparable or less price than those new? I think it might be interesting if kids calling into Radio Disney to do a contest (depending on where they're calling from and whether there's an AM Stereo Disney station there) could win an AM Stereo radio. Oh, and in the meantime I recorded this off of KDIS when I was in the L.A. area (actually spliced a few different recordings together) and added some piano music to it. :) http://68.105.108.90:1180/stephen/amradio/hd-f-pianomix.mp3 From brian60420@yahoo.com Thu Nov 04 19:55:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80337 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2004 03:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2004 03:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2004 03:55:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2004 03:55:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2004 03:55:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 03:55:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1487 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "brian60420" X-Originating-IP: 69.47.145.76 Subject: Re: 1-888-EARS-018; SRF-AX15, SRF-AX51V, SRF-A300, SRF-42, ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 I think I suggested this months ago. I'm probably not the first. Have AM Stereo stations promote AM Stereo by getting AM Stereo radios into listeners hands (or ears). What a concept. In my opinion, the SRF-42 sounds better than the SRF-AX15, 51V, and A300. The 42 is "wider" than the others but is hard to find. I doubt Disney would give away Fanfares or Mustangs w/AM Stereo. :) brian --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > > > I'm thinking about calling that phone number and possibly recommending > one of those radios as a prize for kids to be able to win. > > I need to know what Radio Disney stations are currently in stereo > (with separation - not just pilot tone)... > > and, are the SRF-AX15, 51V, and A300 decent for audio quality (and > sensitivity and selectivity) compared to the SRF-42? Also is there a > place I could suggest that they find an SRF-42? Or are there other > recommended radios for a comparable or less price than those new? > > I think it might be interesting if kids calling into Radio Disney to > do a contest (depending on where they're calling from and whether > there's an AM Stereo Disney station there) could win an AM Stereo radio. > > Oh, and in the meantime I recorded this off of KDIS when I was in the > L.A. area (actually spliced a few different recordings together) and > added some piano music to it. :) > http://68.105.108.90:1180/stephen/amradio/hd-f-pianomix.mp3 From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 04 20:50:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66210 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2004 04:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2004 04:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2004 04:50:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20041105045009.15946.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.86] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:50:09 PST Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:50:09 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Cats can transmit IBOC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW OH DEAR! Miss Julia the Kitty transmitted IBOC when she got under foot and tripped me and I stepped on her tail. FFFFFFFTTT! She said. Well, at least she forgave me! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Nov 05 06:08:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57982 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2004 14:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2004 14:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2004 14:08:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2004 14:08:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2004 14:08:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:08:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041105045009.15946.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 313 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: Cats can transmit IBOC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > OH DEAR! Miss Julia the Kitty transmitted IBOC when > she got under foot and tripped me and I stepped on her > tail. FFFFFFFTTT! She said. Well, at least she > forgave me! > > Powell Good one! A Charlotte listener reports that they cannot hear WOR's analog signal, but the IBOC is loud and clear over WGN! From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Nov 05 14:02:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6921 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2004 22:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2004 22:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2004 22:02:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2004 22:02:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2004 22:02:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:02:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3649 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Want to get really angry? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Just read the condescending article by "Guy Wire" in the Radio World engineering supplement. I notice that like every other article - it ignores the very real issues I have brought up about AM IBOC - because they HAVE NO DEFENSE against my points. BTW - this post got BOOTED OFF of Radio-Info.com!!!! I guess Ibiquity / Clear Channel got to them. Now they are censored and owned, the same as Radio World. (1) It is about content, not signal quality. AM IBOC will not boost the ratings of a station that broadcasts poor programming that listeners don't want. (2) The vast majority of new radios manufactured utilize one of the cheap radio-on-a-chip IC's and their associated reference design. They are wide band AM by default, because that is what you get when you cost reduce the IF strip to one cheap ceramic filter. Cost reduction, board space limitations, and reliability will inevitabley force this cheap design into home stereos and even car radios. (3) Because of point (2) - the digital sidebands from 5 to 10 kHz will be passed in the audio of these radios. Even though it is phase modulated - it is still picked up at considerable volume by every radio except those using product detection. Which radios use product detection? AM stereo! Oops! AM IBOC sidebands will seem to be static superimposed on the audio. (4) The harmonic spectrum of speech is not limited to 5 kHz. It is not composed of sine waves. It is rich in harmonics that stretch up the audible spectrum. Therefore, a bandwidth limited station will sound terrible on all recently made (and therefore wide band) radios. (5) A talk station only wants IBOC so it can broadcast stereo musical beds and stereo commercials. What a lame reason to jam the AM dial! (6) Stereo miking on talk stations is annoying to the listener. Just try it sometime and listen to your own station. (7) Stereo on sports stations is annoying to the listener. Stereo crowd noise is crowd noise that is twice as loud. Nobody cares if NASCAR cars seem to swoosh from one channel to another. (8) Given a choice of Satellite or HD radio in a new vehicle, people will go for satellite. Why? Because they can get music with no commercials, Howard Stern or other content not available on broadcast. Remember point 1 - its about content. (9) Ibiquity engineers committed a serious engineering blunder when they discounted one radio that showed their cherished system generated interference. A good engineering team would have been all over that radio analyzing it to find out what is really going on. I bet it was points 2 and 3 above. The selective rejection of evidence that is contrary to your agenda is bad engineering. I have fired people for a lesser degree of incompetance. (10) I find it amusing that "Guy Wire" mentions the revival of RDS, but would probably poo-poo a revival of C-Quam or a revival of quadraphonic. The RDS revival happened because people wanted it. People wanted quadraphonic re-packaged as surround sound. If people want AM stereo, it will come back. A bunch of corporate morons cannot create a demand for something that people don't want just by the power of their will! OK - once again - IBOC advocates - shoot my arguments down! I am here waiting. You prove me wrong, I'll go buy an HD radio. So far, I have yet to hear from a single one of you. Self-jamming? Disprove what I am saying! Ibiquity engineers - defend yourselves! I got lots of data sheets with reference designs in them proving 2 and 3, you probably are using old three IF can reference design radios. From a700256@ameritech.net Fri Nov 05 16:19:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: a700256@ameritech.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51282 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2004 00:19:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2004 00:19:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2004 00:19:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2004 00:18:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2004 00:18:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 00:18:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 365 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Anthony Piecoro" X-Originating-IP: 67.38.9.144 Subject: Re: 1-888-EARS-018; SRF-AX15, SRF-AX51V, SRF-A300, SRF-42, ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130522620 X-Yahoo-Profile: k707071 An SRF-42 must be easy to get since I have had mine on Ebay for a month now with no takers! In case you are interested it is in almost mint condition with a few tiny scratches on the side, comes with the box and paperwork and even has the FM blend modification done to it for improved FM reception. Let me know off line and I can provide the auction link info From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Nov 05 16:23:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67603 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2004 00:23:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2004 00:23:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2004 00:23:20 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.104]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:23:17 -0700 Message-ID: <003f01c4c397$1e648a40$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:25:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2004 00:23:18.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0AD1010:01C4C396] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1-888-EARS-018; SRF-AX15, SRF-AX51V, SRF-A300, SRF-42, ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude SRF-42 is out of production, and it's very unlikely you'll find them much of anyplace. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > and, are the SRF-AX15, 51V, and A300 decent for audio quality (and > sensitivity and selectivity) compared to the SRF-42? Also is there a > place I could suggest that they find an SRF-42? Or are there other > recommended radios for a comparable or less price than those new? From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Nov 05 17:43:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49792 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2004 01:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2004 01:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52401.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.109) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2004 01:43:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20041106014320.81176.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.101] by web52401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:43:20 PST Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:43:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.109 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Cats can transmit IBOC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Bruce Carter wrote: > > > OH DEAR! Miss Julia the Kitty transmitted IBOC > when > > she got under foot and tripped me and I stepped on > her > > tail. FFFFFFFTTT! She said. Well, at least she > > forgave me! > > > > Powell > Good one! A Charlotte listener reports that they > cannot hear WOR's > analog signal, but the IBOC is loud and clear over > WGN! I'm off work by the time WOR cuts the IBOC, but when the tests with WLW and WOR were on, both WOR and WLW were extremely puny but both stations running their IBOC trashed the adjacents down here completely. WOR would be listenable here except for Miami and Cuba. I can listen to it, but I have to fight the 2 spanish speaking audios. Every now and then those signals are amazingly absent and WOR is indeed listenable. But I forget, it's going to be a felony to listen anything but your so called local signals...... ];> Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 05 20:40:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70353 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2004 04:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2004 04:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2004 04:40:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2004 04:40:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2004 04:40:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 04:40:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003f01c4c397$1e648a40$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 283 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.8 Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1-888-EARS-018; SRF-AX15, SRF-AX51V, SRF-A300, SRF-42, ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics They do show up fairly often on eBay, though -- albeit usually for more than double the original list price. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > SRF-42 is out of production, and it's very unlikely you'll find > them much of anyplace. > > ST From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 05 22:30:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27906 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2004 06:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2004 06:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2004 06:30:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2004 06:30:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2004 06:29:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 06:29:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 213 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.8 Subject: HD Radio demo CD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Somehow I am not surprised that the listing was pulled... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4047981477 But their slogan is true: radio will never be the same with IBOC. It will be _worse_! :-P From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Nov 06 06:45:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60749 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2004 14:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2004 14:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2004 14:45:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2004 14:44:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2004 14:44:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:44:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 322 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.1.21 Subject: Re: HD Radio demo CD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Somehow I am not surprised that the listing was pulled... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4047981477 > Ebay pulled it you mean ? Surely not! Perhaps I'll put up a CD of DRM samples I've receved, great advert for it From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Nov 06 10:56:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11459 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2004 18:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2004 18:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net) (207.217.121.253) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2004 18:56:20 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.247.143.12.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.143.12] helo=earthlink.net) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CQVjX-00004X-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:56:20 -0800 Message-ID: <418D1E59.CA3D82A4@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:56:25 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <9D23726A-2E21-11D9-B430-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.121.253 From: Dick W Subject: OT - Traditional Country Music X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 (Off Topic) If anyone likes traditional country music (mixed with some Gospel music), below is a link for a Canadian station that you may enjoy: Dick W. http://www.wtc.ab.ca/cihs/cihs/index.html From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Nov 06 15:41:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88929 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2004 23:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2004 23:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2004 23:41:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 62136 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2004 23:41:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=PNRGLAjElMFQZWVMNtD+yhpF7IKJ9gIhl/b+bjdb4XfjFIwoei+0QHXb4fdiZYINQ5SVBpV7jpf97JcJ1sr41mXH9G5p9k5bK1qKEFQWTCuPd1zzjms7Dg3i22t9h932VfVfhqR95d2XH4OLYOOWf8xHgdDmfc7RSCZmeIfKTQM= ; Message-ID: <20041106234059.62134.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.0.194.48] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:40:59 PST Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:40:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1099776400.192.80024.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.145 From: "John P." Subject: AM Stereo Exciter for Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I hate to part with it before I can get it up and running, but my intended local AM music station just switched to talk, so..... I'm putting my Harris STX-1B AM Stereo Exciter (Harris converted to C-Quam) and Harris AM Stereo Modulation Monitor up for sale, and I wanted to run it by you all here before I put it on eBay in-case anybody on the AMS list is interested before the eBay wolves pile in on it. I have the 15 pounds of manuals for the two units as well. All cards are complete in the STX-1B, but the capacitors in the power supply section are toasted and need to be replaced and probably the 4 rectifiers as well. Unit was on the air for several years before they bought a new transmitter with built-in AM Stereo, and they are still broadcasting music in AM stereo! DIP switches select the transmit frequency up through the expanded band. Please email me privately for photos and additional information, including pricing and shipping. Will be sent in 4 boxes: All slide-out cards will be removed from the exciter and individually packaged in bubble pack in a box separately from the rest of the exciter chassis in its own box; another box for the manuals, another box for the modulation monitor. Unit looks like the one on eBay a month or so ago, but I have all of the manuals; also, since it was originally an STX-1, it could technically be restored back to a Harris transmission mode for testing purposes, or used in it's current C-Quam format at a broadcast station. Thanks, John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Nov 06 15:59:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41580 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2004 23:59:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2004 23:59:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2004 23:59:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2004 23:59:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2004 23:59:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 23:59:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <418D1E59.CA3D82A4@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 361 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.1.21 Subject: Re: OT - Traditional Country Music X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Dick W wrote: > (Off Topic) If anyone likes traditional country music (mixed with some Gospel > music), below is a link for a Canadian station that you may enjoy: > Dick W. > > http://www.wtc.ab.ca/cihs/cihs/index.html What a strange combination! Makes a change from endless 'sports talk' formats though From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Nov 06 18:36:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21036 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2004 02:36:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2004 02:36:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2004 02:36:57 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.125.93]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:36:54 -0700 Message-ID: <001d01c4c472$f4a534c0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20041106234059.62134.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:39:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2004 02:36:54.0975 (UTC) FILETIME=[A52D6CF0:01C4C472] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Exciter for Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude How much? Probably won't be able to afford it at the moment. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." To: Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 5:40 PM Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo Exciter for Sale > > I hate to part with it before I can get it up and running, but my intended > local AM music station just switched to talk, so..... > > I'm putting my Harris STX-1B AM Stereo Exciter (Harris converted to C-Quam) and > Harris AM Stereo Modulation Monitor up for sale, and I wanted to run it by you > all here before I put it on eBay in-case anybody on the AMS list is interested > before the eBay wolves pile in on it. > I have the 15 pounds of manuals for the two units as well. All cards are > complete in the STX-1B, but the capacitors in the power supply section are > toasted and need to be replaced and probably the 4 rectifiers as well. Unit > was on the air for several years before they bought a new transmitter with > built-in AM Stereo, and they are still broadcasting music in AM stereo! DIP > switches select the transmit frequency up through the expanded band. Please > email me privately for photos and additional information, including pricing and > shipping. > Will be sent in 4 boxes: All slide-out cards will be removed from the exciter > and individually packaged in bubble pack in a box separately from the rest of > the exciter chassis in its own box; another box for the manuals, another box > for the modulation monitor. Unit looks like the one on eBay a month or so ago, > but I have all of the manuals; also, since it was originally an STX-1, it could > technically be restored back to a Harris transmission mode for testing > purposes, or used in it's current C-Quam format at a broadcast station. > Thanks, > John > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Nov 07 05:09:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16106 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2004 13:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2004 13:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.18.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2004 13:09:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 05:09:00 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.63 by by24fd.bay24.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:08:27 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:08:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2004 13:09:00.0823 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2BE9270:01C4C4CA] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.18.83 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.63] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: OT - Traditional Country Music X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Dave of the UK wrote (of the country/gospel music combo): >What a strange combination I thought so at first as well, but then realized that the audience for both would basically be the same. I was just scanning through the xm country channels and channel 10 (America) has a feature called: Stained Glass:, which features country/gospel. Yes, that is an improvement over almost any talk format. Donn St Petersburg,FL From krichards@wor710.com Sun Nov 07 16:11:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47827 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 00:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2004 00:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 00:11:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 00:10:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 00:10:43 -0000 X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40405 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2004 21:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2004 21:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2004 21:47:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2004 21:47:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2004 21:47:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:47:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2036 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 Subject: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 08 Nov 2004 00:10:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 Last nite I finished the bulk of the cutover at WOR and we are now completely Stereo. The only exception is our Internet feed, and I'll get after that early this week. This project has taken many, many months, but in house everything is now done in Stereo. The operators monitor our WOR Stereo 100% feed to Lyndhurst, and we mix the WOR network audio to MONO before leaving the plant. The Air feed on our consoles is also Stereo, off of an HD Radio from Kenwood, so we hear Stereo when the HD carriers are on. Since this was a long gradual process, our liners and bumpers and spots have been going into the system in Stereo but mixed to Mono until we could get the wiring and upgrades completed. This also included bumping up the WOR Enco Server to a larger set of drives so it was a long and dificult process. Those of you who have HD Radios can now hear the results of all this work, since everything had to be done over from 1440 all the way out to Lyndhurst. Basically we have completed this work in our old plant, so when we move to our new digital plant, everyone will be comfortable working in Stereo. It also demonstrates Buckley Radio's continuing commitment to the HD system, as the new radios are coming on line, and as we start to construct the new WOR transmitter. It's amazing to me how many of the spots are real stereo, our morning show plays a lot of music, it sounds great. We also had to replace all of our encoding equipment and cueing scheme for our network programming, which now uses subaudible cueing in house instead of the old DTMF system. What else that is now quite noticible, is the fact that our MONO signal sounds better with the new airchain, there was also the issue of the WOR time tone...all new and better now. I removed almost a dozen devices with bridging transformers, and other gigantic coils and mixing pads that had served the old WOR airchain for almost 35 years. It is noticible on air. Kerry Richards Chief Engineer WOR-AM Buckley Broadcasting Corporation From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Nov 07 22:38:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 57290 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 06:38:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2004 06:38:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 06:38:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 06:37:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 06:37:08 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38690 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 06:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2004 06:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 06:34:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 06:34:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 06:34:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 06:34:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2537 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 08 Nov 2004 06:36:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 Could someone post a few-minute sample of what WOR's HD sounds like in a location where the analog is very weak (and I mean out of town, not necessarily under a bridge) - for example in Hartford, CT? Also, if there is such a thing, is there any aircheck of WOR when/if they were analog AM Stereo? (for comparison purposes) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > > > Last nite I finished the bulk of the cutover at WOR and we are now > completely Stereo. The only exception is our Internet feed, and I'll > get after that early this week. > > This project has taken many, many months, but in house everything is > now done in Stereo. The operators monitor our WOR Stereo 100% feed to > Lyndhurst, and we mix the WOR network audio to MONO before leaving > the plant. The Air feed on our consoles is also Stereo, off of an HD > Radio from Kenwood, so we hear Stereo when the HD carriers are on. > > Since this was a long gradual process, our liners and bumpers and > spots have been going into the system in Stereo but mixed to Mono > until we could get the wiring and upgrades completed. This also > included bumping up the WOR Enco Server to a larger set of drives so > it was a long and dificult process. > > Those of you who have HD Radios can now hear the results of all this > work, since everything had to be done over from 1440 all the way out > to Lyndhurst. > > Basically we have completed this work in our old plant, so when we > move to our new digital plant, everyone will be comfortable working > in Stereo. It also demonstrates Buckley Radio's continuing commitment > to the HD system, as the new radios are coming on line, and as we > start to construct the new WOR transmitter. > > It's amazing to me how many of the spots are real stereo, our morning > show plays a lot of music, it sounds great. > > We also had to replace all of our encoding equipment and cueing > scheme for our network programming, which now uses subaudible cueing > in house instead of the old DTMF system. > > What else that is now quite noticible, is the fact that our MONO > signal sounds better with the new airchain, there was also the issue > of the WOR time tone...all new and better now. I removed almost a > dozen devices with bridging transformers, and other gigantic coils > and mixing pads that had served the old WOR airchain for almost 35 > years. It is noticible on air. > > Kerry Richards > > Chief Engineer > WOR-AM > Buckley Broadcasting Corporation From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Nov 08 06:47:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21395 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 14:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2004 14:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 14:47:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 14:47:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 14:47:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:47:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1254 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Congratulations to you and Tom on the splendid job of exploring the new technology at WOR. I don't think our friend David Eduardo would agree with you on the stereo conversion, however! He ripped into me pretty heavy on radio-info for suggesting that talk radio wants stereo musical beds and commercials. How does WOR sound on inexpensive analog radios based on the TA2003, LA1824, and LA1260? All of these IC's are common in $10 to $100 radios, and utilize a single ceramic filter for AM. I do a brisk business here in Dallas narrowing up IF's in such radios for 620 listeners experiencing crosstalk from a local 660. That is +/- 40 kHz bandwidth on AM! Is there a "bacon frying" effect when the digital sideband mixes with analog audio? These things have envelope detectors - single diodes that are not very phase linear. This throws the phase modulation of the 5 to 10 kHz digital sidebands askew and makes them audible on sound clips I have from other HD AM stations. You have probably done as much as anybody in trying to make IBOC a success. If you have a strategy that eliminates self jamming effect on these cheap analog radios - I think the entire industry needs to know about it, since digital seems inevitable. From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Nov 08 06:58:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94018 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 14:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2004 14:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 14:58:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 14:57:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 14:57:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:57:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 175 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.116.196 Subject: Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Kerry, how much longer until home HD Radio units are going to be available?? Onkyo was supposed to have one out sometime soon, but there is no mention of it yet. --tony s. From tomray@wor710.com Mon Nov 08 07:47:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75823 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 15:47:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2004 15:47:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 15:47:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 15:47:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 15:47:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:46:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 693 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > > > Could someone post a few-minute sample of what WOR's HD sounds like in > a location where the analog is very weak (and I mean out of town, not > necessarily under a bridge) - for example in Hartford, CT? Hartford is outside the digital coverage limit. I'll be driving around the next few weeks with a DAT recorder in the car....I'll purposely go out to the limit and record the audio there. > > Also, if there is such a thing, is there any aircheck of WOR when/if > they were analog AM Stereo? (for comparison purposes) WOR was never on the air in analog AM stereo. Tom Ray WOR Radio From tomray@wor710.com Mon Nov 08 07:54:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87669 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 15:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2004 15:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 15:54:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 15:53:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 15:53:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:53:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 974 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > Congratulations to you and Tom on the splendid job of exploring the > new technology at WOR. I don't think our friend David Eduardo would > agree with you on the stereo conversion, however! He ripped into me > pretty heavy on radio-info for suggesting that talk radio wants > stereo musical beds and commercials. Bruce: Thanks. I have news for Mr. Eduardo. The stereo spots, bumpers and jingles make listening to talk radio much more enjoyable. If you start doing things like off-centering the mics, that's another story. And just think. You can put Rush and Savage on the right channel, and Air America on the left channel, and truly say that your station is right down the middle! > > How does WOR sound on inexpensive analog radios based on the TA2003, > LA1824, and LA1260? I need to get my hands on a couple of these. I'll let you know as soon as I do. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Nov 08 07:54:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2215 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 15:54:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2004 15:54:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 15:54:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 15:54:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 15:54:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:54:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 431 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > Kerry, how much longer until home HD Radio units are going to be > available?? Onkyo was supposed to have one out sometime soon, but > there is no mention of it yet. > Tony: The Onkyo unit is due out any time now...and is a high end home theater unit. We are expecting to see home radios from the likes of Boston Acoustics by spring. Tom Ray WOR From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Nov 08 08:04:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33144 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 16:04:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2004 16:04:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 16:04:15 -0000 Received: from jimspc (ppp-68-22-243-58.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA8G4Cep032218 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:04:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001b01c4c5ac$987863d0$6601a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:04:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Since this was a long gradual process, our liners and bumpers and > spots have been going into the system in Stereo but mixed to Mono > until we could get the wiring and upgrades completed. This also > included bumping up the WOR Enco Server to a larger set of drives so > it was a long and dificult process. Kerry... What kind of compression/format are you using with Enco's DAD? We use 44.1 kbps, 128 bit rate and MPEG2 2 compression. Our owner wants to drop the MPEG compression and go with full linear audio when we switch to IBOC (on our FM's). If we were to convert our AM's to IBOC, could we reduce the sampling rate to 32KHz without causing the sound on the air to suffer (we still play music on our AM, although not in stereo)? What are the specs of stereo with IBOC on MW? From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Nov 08 09:54:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3613 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 17:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2004 17:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 17:54:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 17:53:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 17:53:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:52:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 531 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > The Onkyo unit is due out any time now...and is a high end home > theater unit. > > We are expecting to see home radios from the likes of Boston Acoustics > by spring. > > Tom Ray > WOR I saw a picture of the Boston Acoustics radio in Radio World - it looked like a mono unit to me. HD radio may indeed be the salvation for manufacturers of expensive, trendy radios like Boston Acoustics and Bose Wave radio. It may make up for their terrible internal RF circuitry (try using one 70 miles from FM sticks like I am). From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Nov 08 10:05:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55112 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 18:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2004 18:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 18:05:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 18:05:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 18:05:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:05:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1216 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > I need to get my hands on a couple of these. I'll let you know as > soon as I do. > > Tom Ray > WOR Three souces: The TA2003 was in a $50 "Bratz" combination radio, clock, and lamp. The LA1824 was in a $40 "Mary Kate and Ashley" boom box and a promotional radio given away by Time magazine. The LA1260 was in a $120 boom box somebody lent me for the conversion to AM narrow band - sorry I don't remember the brand. It was somebody like Philips. These are four examples of dozens I have seen in my garage shop conversions. To be fair, 660 KSKY runs 20 kW and 620 KMKI only runs 5 kW, so it is not technically fair to call them +/- 40 kHz bandwidth when 660 is broadcasting with 6 more dB. The designers are really cheap - the reference designs on the data sheets call for transformer matching before the single IF ceramic filter - all the radios in question delete the matching transformer. I actually like these new IC's - with a good ceramic filter and a decent ferrite rod, I was able to convert "Mary Kate and Ashley's" radio into quite a DX unit. Sufficient to get 620 from 330 miles away in the daytime - my objective for my daughter when we travel to my father's house in Lubbock. From dougharding@bellsouth.net Mon Nov 08 11:01:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32594 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 19:01:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2004 19:01:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 19:01:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 19:00:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 19:00:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:00:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1430 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.100 Subject: Re: Want to get really angry? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > (1) It is about content, not signal quality. AM IBOC will not > boost the ratings of a station that broadcasts poor programming that > listeners don't want. This is not always true. In my case when I traded my NEON with a AMAX AM stereo wideband radio for a new 2001 Mitsubshi car that had a crappy mono telephone quality 4k or less AM section I gave up listening to AM in the car even thought my three favorite stations were WQAM 560, WIOD 610 and WKAT 1360. At home these stations sounded like FM on my Carver and Fanfare tuners. Then I bought a new 2004 Ford with a AMAX wideband AM stereo factory car radio and now I am listening to WIOD and WKAT again and yes they still sound like FM in my new Ford. Notice I did not mention WQAM 560. I stopped listeing to them because even though I used to love to listen to Neil Rogers they recently narrowbanded their signal to 5k and started broadcasting HD radio. They sound like a telephone at home and in my car. I don't care how great the programming is I cannot stand to listen to the horrible sound quality and no I have no intention of replacing my Fanfare FTA-100 at home or my wonderful audiophile factory car stereo with a HD radio. Yes I do have Sirus satellite radio also in my new ford so I am ready for the day WIOD and WKAT switch to HD so I can switch permanently to satellite radio. From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Nov 08 13:41:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57794 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 21:41:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2004 21:41:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 21:41:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 21:40:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 21:40:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:40:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1650 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: Want to get really angry? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter My post was admittedly a bit sarcastic and facetious! I made the same comment about HDTV and poor programming, how I would now be able to see the sweat pour out of the pores of hapless sports figures and survivor contestants. Or how now I could see all the details of the palm trees in the background of Gilligan's Island. I seriously doubt HDTV will be used to present all the color subtleties of paintings in art museums, live performances of Shakespeare from the Globe theater, the 5.1 surround sound used to reproduce fine concert material from symphonies. Instead, we will get more and more of American idols eat slugs on survivor island while big brother watches. They used to say that TV catered to the 12 year old mind. I, for one, think that age has deflated of late to perhaps more 7 or 8 years old. And you know what? HDTVs aren't selling!!!! I went Christmas shopping last weekend, and they are cutting the prices deeply, more than I would expect for the holidays. They were offering leaflets, tapes, DVD's, and courses about "why you should get HDTV" - as if the consumer cared. The picture is indeed impressive - if all the action stops. The moment something moves it gets momentarily blurry. The only reason why I might be persuaded to get an HD TV is Discovery HD channel, or to play back DVD's. But the average consumer? I don't think they see the price justifying the advantages. Want more proof HDTV is in trouble? The FCC just suspended mandatory cutoff of analog TV. As as goes HDTV, so will go HD radio. And it is a shame, because done right it could have been nice for everybody. From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Nov 08 13:51:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47201 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 21:51:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2004 21:51:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 21:51:02 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.180.43]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.2.315.0) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:49:30 -0500 Message-ID: <004501c4c5dd$2bdc03e0$2bb40642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:51:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Want to get really angry? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can say first hand that HDTV is not all it's cracked up to be- The new LCD and plasma sets DO look good at times, but like you said- give the picture any movement, and it is not great. We service every major brand at our service center, and they all have shortcomings. A good CRT set is still the best way so far. The 15, 17, 20" LCD TV's are just putrid. The pictures are bleary, smeary, glassy and flat looking- like a gassy CRT. I LOVE the news that analog TV willbe around a little longer- That was a real day brightner... But I do have to admit that I LOVE the reality TV shows- I must be in my 2nd childhood.... Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Carter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 4:40 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Want to get really angry? They used to say that TV catered to the 12 year old mind. I, for one, think that age has deflated of late to perhaps more 7 or 8 years old. Want more proof HDTV is in trouble? The FCC just suspended mandatory cutoff of analog TV. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 08 15:19:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14431 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 23:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2004 23:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 23:19:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20041108231945.97045.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.112] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:19:45 PST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:19:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Anthony wrote: > > Kerry, how much longer until home HD Radio units are > going to be > available?? Onkyo was supposed to have one out > sometime soon, but > there is no mention of it yet. > > --tony s. What year? The roll out of radios keeps getting pushed back time and time. And on a humorous note, you should have had the stereo ready for the political season so politicians could talk out of BOTH sides of their mouths....but alas....they don't have platform shift to fall back on! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 08 15:23:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96003 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 23:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2004 23:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 23:23:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20041108232327.18666.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.112] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:23:27 PST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:23:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Bruce Carter wrote: > > > The Onkyo unit is due out any time now...and is a > high end home > > theater unit. > > > > We are expecting to see home radios from the likes > of Boston > Acoustics > > by spring. > > > > Tom Ray > > WOR > > I saw a picture of the Boston Acoustics radio in > Radio World - it > looked like a mono unit to me. Are you talking about the Receptor? If so it is mono, but decent. The FM is rather good. Has a cable type connector for the antenna. The piece of wire they give you doesn't work, but it excells with a real antenna. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Nov 08 15:27:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30809 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 23:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2004 23:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 23:27:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 23:27:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 23:27:35 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89815 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 17:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2004 17:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 17:40:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 17:39:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 17:39:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:39:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1190 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 08 Nov 2004 23:27:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > > > > > Could someone post a few-minute sample of what WOR's HD sounds like in > > a location where the analog is very weak (and I mean out of town, not > > necessarily under a bridge) - for example in Hartford, CT? > > > Hartford is outside the digital coverage limit. I'll be driving > around the next few weeks with a DAT recorder in the car....I'll > purposely go out to the limit and record the audio there. I looked at Radio Locator's "fake" coverage map for WOR, and they show the blue fringe line extending past Providence, RI, Washington, DC, Albany, NY, Scranton, PA... although there are other towns in closer range in the purple midrange contour. What would the digital sound like from, say, Philadelphia, PA, for example? > > > > > > Also, if there is such a thing, is there any aircheck of WOR when/if > > they were analog AM Stereo? (for comparison purposes) > > > WOR was never on the air in analog AM stereo. Did they ever broadcast full 10kHz NRSC analog audio? > > Tom Ray > WOR Radio From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Nov 08 15:28:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46223 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 23:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2004 23:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 23:28:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 23:28:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 23:28:02 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2858 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 17:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2004 17:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 17:44:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 17:44:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2004 17:44:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:44:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1658 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 08 Nov 2004 23:27:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > > > Congratulations to you and Tom on the splendid job of exploring the > > new technology at WOR. I don't think our friend David Eduardo would > > agree with you on the stereo conversion, however! He ripped into me > > pretty heavy on radio-info for suggesting that talk radio wants > > stereo musical beds and commercials. > > > Bruce: > > Thanks. I have news for Mr. Eduardo. The stereo spots, bumpers and > jingles make listening to talk radio much more enjoyable. If you > start doing things like off-centering the mics, that's another story. > > And just think. You can put Rush and Savage on the right channel, and > Air America on the left channel, and truly say that your station is > right down the middle! > > > > > > How does WOR sound on inexpensive analog radios based on the TA2003, > > LA1824, and LA1260? > > I need to get my hands on a couple of these. I'll let you know as > soon as I do. > > Tom Ray > WOR I was a little bit outside of WOR's coverage area (and KSPN would have completely wiped it out anyway considering I was within their city-grade contour (or close to it)), but I took a recording of KFI's IBOC while driving by their transmitter on I-5 a few weeks ago. I used a Panasonic RQ-SW10, a Sony D-NS921F (MP3 CD Player with radio), and a Sony SRF-42. You can really hear a lot of background noise on the SRF-42 when it's tuned to 640, although it's also audible on the other radios, too. http://68.105.108.90:1180/stephen/amradio/KFI_IBOC.mp3 From cbreton27@hotmail.com Mon Nov 08 15:31:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58772 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 23:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2004 23:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 23:31:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:31:05 -0800 Received: from 69.157.152.225 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 23:30:57 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:30:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2004 23:31:05.0475 (UTC) FILETIME=[04623D30:01C4C5EB] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.73 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.152.225] Subject: dxing condition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi gang ! Last night i was awake around 3h30 and check the am band and surprisingly without my am loop i wasn't able to pick the strong signal from let's say new york or something like that... really dead... The day before and since a couple of days i was able to get 1520 or 1510 all day !! What happen with the sun cycle ?? P.S the big talker am 1210 is still mono... 73'S Chris From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Nov 08 16:04:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16614 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2004 00:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2004 00:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.241.30) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2004 00:04:09 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.5.10.101]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041109000321.QRZ14545.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 19:03:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:03:19 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.30 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Want to get really angry? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not where I sit. Sales have increased quite a bit, and the price drops=20 are the typical maturing technology drop, not signs of lack of=20 interest. They are still far too expensive for the average person. so=20 the FCC backed off the mandate, but I sincerely doubt that HDTV will go=20 away. Richard On Monday, November 8, 2004, at 01:40 PM, Bruce Carter wrote: > And you know what?=A0 HDTVs aren't selling!!!!=A0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Nov 08 16:07:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66910 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2004 00:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2004 00:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2004 00:07:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2004 00:07:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2004 00:07:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:07:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004501c4c5dd$2bdc03e0$2bb40642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 376 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Want to get really angry? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I've seen The Tonight Show in HD and, in my opinion, it's pretty impressive. I've also watched a few NFL games on an HD TV, and, unfortunately, the networks usually broadcast in Digital instead of HD. There's a difference. Digital is nice, but HD certainly gives you higher resolution. SOME NFL games DO come through in HD. I have no idea what determines this... From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 08 20:07:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44600 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2004 04:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2004 04:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2004 04:07:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 9585 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2004 04:07:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=BMLsC7n8PQQOo2q6ZaskJCe4Bu65wmgvYHIABE209P8Dy0VWUFK+rE0WF2gfxtyWTCSR/XA3JSZJ3a3wQGJqG1/suqjqvSkG2vaPcA137/7aAx2vSUHWcMB2MrbKqcPAtw9RQVFR+6KWdkK+czcF1Psxy2dSpfcu/uv05av4lSg= ; Message-ID: <20041109040700.9577.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.0.194.48] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:07:00 PST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:07:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.151 From: "John P." Subject: re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kerry wrote: "at WOR and we are now completely Stereo" Congrats Tom & Kerry - you know we all love stereo audio here! Can you play Christmas music on the 24th/25th in stereo for your HD audience?? JP __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Front Page. www.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Nov 09 00:33:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20720 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2004 08:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2004 08:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2004 08:33:52 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.182.121]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.2.315.0) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 03:32:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c4c637$069a6860$79b60642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 03:35:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} dxing condition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It may have been a super solar storm- I know that the Northern Lights were spectacular yesterday morning around 4 AM. Don't often see them down this way and this morning is supposed to be a good show also. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: christian breton To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 6:30 PM Subject: {AMSF} dxing condition Hi gang ! Last night i was awake around 3h30 and check the am band and surprisingly without my am loop i wasn't able to pick the strong signal from let's say new york or something like that... really dead... The day before and since a couple of days i was able to get 1520 or 1510 all day !! What happen with the sun cycle ?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Nov 09 00:34:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79995 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2004 08:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2004 08:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2004 08:34:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2004 08:34:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2004 08:34:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:34:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 818 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.128 Subject: Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What else that is now quite noticible, is the fact that our MONO > signal sounds better with the new airchain, there was also the > issue of the WOR time tone...all new and better now. I have noticed the audio is a little cleaner, and perhaps not so aggressively processed as it was before, although during the daytime the 5 kHz IBOC filter still sounds annoyingly "ringy" on a wideband receiver. And the new top-of-hour beep sounds strange to me, because for years and years it was the same but now it's longer (1 second instead of 1/2 second) and a higher pitch (1040 Hz instead of 758 Hz). I bet you've already gotten phone calls from disgrunted octogenarian WOR listeners complaining about the new time tone, so you can add me to the list of people who preferred the sound of the old time-tone. :-) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Nov 09 00:41:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33824 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2004 08:41:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2004 08:41:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2004 08:41:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2004 08:38:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2004 08:38:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:38:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c4c637$069a6860$79b60642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 445 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.128 Subject: Re: {AMSF} dxing condition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It may have been a super solar storm- I know that the Northern > Lights were spectacular yesterday morning around 4 AM. Don't often > see them down this way and this morning is supposed to be a good > show also. I tuned in the AM band at around 5:30 AM on Monday morning and the skywaves were DEAD. The local "graveyard channels" were crystal clear and even the usual powerhouse 50 kW skywave stations like 1520 WWKB were barely audible. From starship_2001@msn.com Tue Nov 09 03:42:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25827 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2004 11:42:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2004 11:42:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.173.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2004 11:42:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 03:42:00 -0800 Received: from 209.240.207.114 by BAY5-DAV25.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:41:51 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 06:41:51 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <22470-4190ACFF-2421@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "christian breton" 's message of Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:30:57 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2004 11:42:00.0498 (UTC) FILETIME=[2003B120:01C4C651] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.173.55 X-eGroups-From: starship_2001@msn.com (Norbert 26) From: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: [209.240.207.114] Subject: Re: {AMSF} dxing condition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sunday night 11/07/2004 i could NOT DX nothing on the AM band. All's i picked up was a high noise floor cutting over even local sigmals. Prior to this i was picking up WWKB (WKBW) 1520 couple of hours before sunset and after sunrise. I did not try last night. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brucec@mindspring.com Tue Nov 09 06:44:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58428 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2004 14:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2004 14:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2004 14:44:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2004 14:44:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2004 14:44:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 14:44:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1998 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: KFI - worst case scenario!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > http://68.105.108.90:1180/stephen/amradio/KFI_IBOC.mp3 Stephen - thanks for posting this. This is a nightmare scenario. The SRF-42 is a product detector radio, and as such should reject the digital sidebands when you are on channel. The culprit is KFI! Obviously, KFI converted to IBOC without upgrading their antenna. That is the ONLY way a phase modulated signal could leak into a product detector at that high amplitude. Poor phase response at the antenna would change phase modulation to an amplitude component. Can you test this on a narrow band, envelope detector radio? I bet the sidebands are so horrendous they even leak into one of those old 3 IF transformer radios! If so, there are millions of legacy radios in the LA basin that are hearing this - something KFI needs to be aware of immediately! This will cost them listeners - as that "bacon frying" effect will come through on ALL radios. You can do them a tremendous favor by alerting them to this! By the way - I don't think IBOC can be stopped by focusing on adjacent channel problems. Ibiquity and Clear Channel are doing a good job at marginalizing that argument, and making skywave listeners seem like kooks and fanatics. We need to focus on real issues like KFI's poor IBOC implementation. I have heard an MP3 of a good implementation at WBT - but instead of "bacon frying" - I hear high frequency "birdies" from the digital sidebands. That tells me that their antenna phase is really good and rejects 5-10 kHz, but there is significant leakage of the amplitude modulated 10 to 15 kHz sidebands into the analog audio. This is not good news, either. the amplitude is pretty high, and although most AM listeners have long since grown accustomed to the 10 kHz hetereodyne, this is different since it varies abruptly in frequency and amplitude. Every wide band radio out there, including the accidentaly "cheapie" ones that are becoming so predominant, will reproduce the "birdies". From tomray@wor710.com Tue Nov 09 11:34:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58684 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2004 19:34:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2004 19:34:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2004 19:34:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2004 19:33:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2004 19:33:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:33:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 538 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > I saw a picture of the Boston Acoustics radio in Radio World - it > looked like a mono unit to me. > > HD radio may indeed be the salvation for manufacturers of expensive, > trendy radios like Boston Acoustics and Bose Wave radio. It may make > up for their terrible internal RF circuitry (try using one 70 miles > from FM sticks like I am). The picture in RW didn't show the second cabinet for the second speaker. It will be a stereo unit. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Nov 09 11:35:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39960 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2004 19:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2004 19:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2004 19:35:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2004 19:35:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2004 19:35:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:35:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041108231945.97045.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 424 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > And on a humorous note, you should have had the stereo > ready for the political season so politicians could > talk out of BOTH sides of their mouths....but > alas....they don't have platform shift to fall back > on! > > Powell Wait, I need to get set up here. There. Ba-dum----CHING! Powell's here all week....try the veal! From tomray@wor710.com Tue Nov 09 11:38:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66262 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2004 19:38:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2004 19:38:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2004 19:38:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2004 19:38:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2004 19:38:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:38:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1156 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > > I looked at Radio Locator's "fake" coverage map for WOR, and they show > the blue fringe line extending past Providence, RI, Washington, DC, > Albany, NY, Scranton, PA... although there are other towns in closer > range in the purple midrange contour. What would the digital sound > like from, say, Philadelphia, PA, for example? Take what you see on Radio Locator with a grain of salt. Our measured 1/2mV contour doesn't extend up to Hartford....I know....I worked at our Hartford AM when Buckley bought WOR....this was in the days when your contours couldn't overlap. We measured ad nauseum.....the contours were 1/2 mile apart......somewhere around Rocky Hill, CT. And we sound great in stereo almost up to the Philly city line. > > > > > > > > > > > Also, if there is such a thing, is there any aircheck of WOR when/if > > > they were analog AM Stereo? (for comparison purposes) > > > > > > WOR was never on the air in analog AM stereo. > > Did they ever broadcast full 10kHz NRSC analog audio? Yes....up until we installed IBOC. TR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Nov 09 11:40:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55037 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2004 19:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2004 19:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2004 19:40:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2004 19:39:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2004 19:39:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:39:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041109040700.9577.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 427 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Kerry wrote: "at WOR and we are now completely Stereo" > > Congrats Tom & Kerry - you know we all love stereo audio here! > Can you play Christmas music on the 24th/25th in stereo for your HD audience?? Oh yeah. Production has been completing the conversion of the Christmas library to stereo.....and it will be on in stereo this year. TR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Nov 09 11:42:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75508 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2004 19:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2004 19:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2004 19:42:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2004 19:42:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2004 19:42:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:42:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1062 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I have noticed the audio is a little cleaner, and perhaps not so > aggressively processed as it was before, although during the daytime > the 5 kHz IBOC filter still sounds annoyingly "ringy" on a wideband > receiver. We didn't change the processing.....what you're hearing is the lack of IM distortion through all the transformers we found in the circuit. > > And the new top-of-hour beep sounds strange to me, because for years > and years it was the same but now it's longer (1 second instead of > 1/2 second) and a higher pitch (1040 Hz instead of 758 Hz). I bet > you've already gotten phone calls from disgrunted octogenarian WOR > listeners complaining about the new time tone, so you can add me to > the list of people who preferred the sound of the old time-tone. :-) I actually got one letter....typed on a typewriter (with all the letter o's punched out!) from someone who has been a listener since 1928.....no one else noticed, including staff members. TR From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Nov 09 16:36:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59539 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 00:36:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 00:36:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 00:36:02 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (max1-158.skyweb.net [66.6.130.30]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAA0Zr2f051527 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:35:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <4191622E.2070708@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:34:54 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Tom Now that your going Stereo.. are you planning on putting an Ariane processor in the audio Chain?? Tom Ray wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > >>And on a humorous note, you should have had the stereo >>ready for the political season so politicians could >>talk out of BOTH sides of their mouths....but >>alas....they don't have platform shift to fall back >>on! >> >>Powell >> >> > > >Wait, I need to get set up here. There. > >Ba-dum----CHING! > >Powell's here all week....try the veal! > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 09 17:01:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34189 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 01:01:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 01:01:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52409.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.117) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 01:01:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 79809 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Nov 2004 01:01:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=f2MYCnqXDtQZ2b82GDwqxz1f3A17LcFOJIIMPj6gpba0XBx5Prga9ZDcqaYrPBN5zVuz5WB59Yu/TfmMZ4gCeOfFSvEsMXAml7irYrb1ljDDqq8eWcX6sWnsahgWfuFDhZymQug83Uu4XwPIQJhfWK8o5Yt28s1TNZK5XaZvRb0= ; Message-ID: <20041110010112.79780.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.73] by web52409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:01:12 PST Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:01:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.117 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > I actually got one letter....typed on a typewriter > (with all the > letter o's punched out!) from someone who has been a > listener since > 1928.....no one else noticed, including staff > members. > TR Indicating a very old typewriter with not a lot of wear but a hard as rock platen. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 09 17:20:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46194 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 01:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 01:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 01:20:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 19820 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Nov 2004 01:20:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=USCLDoQOetCQdM91leBxwD6VjHzZy/V2NSBLiBy91hgLzHcY3fZV17fle5+wN23Op93w5aB/N4r3oLotejMiHwCWLEl3/3FHLzG8JwO3NBEaXwLHLVjnmBjCGkzuUVtE8opiPyGcachy1DBdD2J2TxPMsZAXzHq7wd0k0K+Y1Po= ; Message-ID: <20041110012039.19808.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.73] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:20:39 PST Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:20:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Solar index levels slowly dropping X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW A was above 127 and K at the max 9. But when the latest CME arrives maybe tomorrow things will go into the tank again... Powell :Product: Geophysical Alert Message wwv.txt :Issued: 2004 Nov 10 0002 UTC # Prepared by the US Dept. of Commerce, NOAA, Space Environment Center # # Geophysical Alert Message # Solar-terrestrial indices for 09 November follow. Solar flux 127 and mid-latitude A-index 91. The mid-latitude K-index at 0000 UTC on 10 November was 7 (232 nT). Space weather for the past 24 hours has been severe. Geomagnetic storms reaching the G4 level occurred. Solar radiation storms reaching the S1 level occurred. Radio blackouts reaching the R2 level occurred. Space weather for the next 24 hours is expected to be strong. Geomagnetic storms reaching the G3 level are expected. Solar radiation storms reaching the S1 level are expected. Radio blackouts reaching the R2 level are expected. ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue Nov 09 18:15:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65457 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 02:15:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 02:15:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 02:15:27 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.125.184]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:15:15 -0700 Message-ID: <003101c4c6cb$71957ee0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:17:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2004 02:15:15.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E1219E0:01C4C6CB] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Want to get really angry? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Most stations are opting to split their digital signal into several programs, so there is precious little you could possibly watch where you could see the full HDTV signal in all its glory. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Carter" To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:40 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Want to get really angry? > > > I seriously doubt HDTV will be used to present all the color > subtleties of paintings in art museums, live performances of > Shakespeare from the Globe theater, the 5.1 surround sound used to > reproduce fine concert material from symphonies. Instead, we will > get more and more of American idols eat slugs on survivor island > while big brother watches. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Nov 09 18:21:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51055 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 02:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 02:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.191) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 02:21:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:21:00 -0800 Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY12-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:20:26 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 21:20:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2004 02:21:00.0797 (UTC) FILETIME=[EBAEAAD0:01C4C6CB] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.191 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: >Production has been completing the conversion of the Christmas library to stereo.....and it will be on in stereo this year. OK, Now it is time to have a "Real World" HD Radio test Comparing Apples to Apples! During the Christmas Holiday programming, lets have Tom or Kerry to record a song off of the air in HD Radio stereo with a high end HD Radio tuner a few miles from the WOR Tower. Lets have Neal or somebody else on the board to record the exact same song off of the air in C-QUAM a few miles from WTTM's tower on a high end AMAX C-QUAM tuner such as a Carver TX-11c or a Fanfare. Have both songs posted as a high bit rate .wav file, and let's see which AM Stereo system sounds better. Just for fun, the person with the high end analog tuner can record what that same song sounds like on WOR's analog signal. Who has best audio? Will the winner be 710 WOR or 1680 WTTM? I am betting on WTTM, judging by the audio samples posted at http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/audio_samples.htm http://www.ibiquity.com/hdradio/hdradio_experience.htm ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/stations/North-America/USA/NewJersey/wttmxms1.mp3 ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/upload-here-please/wttm.wav From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue Nov 09 18:29:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77969 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 02:29:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 02:29:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 02:29:35 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.125.184]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:29:33 -0700 Message-ID: <006301c4c6cd$718bd000$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:31:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2004 02:29:34.0714 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E002DA0:01C4C6CD] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KFI - worst case scenario!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Aw let 'em shoot themselves in the foot. You are right about optimizing for the IBOC signal. The measurements have to be done at the output of the transmitter, however. If they look good there, chances are it will sound OK on the air. WTMJ had to do a lot of tweaking before they got rid of the self-jamming. I'd also have to say KFI's poor implementation won't stop IBOC either- it will just create FCC demands for optimization. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Carter" > Obviously, KFI converted to IBOC without upgrading their antenna. > That is the ONLY way a phase modulated signal could leak into a > product detector at that high amplitude. Poor phase response at the > antenna would change phase modulation to an amplitude component. > Can you test this on a narrow band, envelope detector radio? I bet > the sidebands are so horrendous they even leak into one of those old > 3 IF transformer radios! If so, there are millions of legacy radios > in the LA basin that are hearing this - something KFI needs to be > aware of immediately! This will cost them listeners - as > that "bacon frying" effect will come through on ALL radios. You can > do them a tremendous favor by alerting them to this! > > By the way - I don't think IBOC can be stopped by focusing on > adjacent channel problems. Ibiquity and Clear Channel are doing a > good job at marginalizing that argument, and making skywave > listeners seem like kooks and fanatics. We need to focus on real > issues like KFI's poor IBOC implementation. > From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue Nov 09 18:45:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63693 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 02:45:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 02:45:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 02:45:14 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.125.184]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:44:59 -0700 Message-ID: <009b01c4c6cf$993788e0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:47:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2004 02:45:00.0171 (UTC) FILETIME=[459DB5B0:01C4C6CF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude BINGO!!! Great idea! If there's nobody up there with a Fanfare, I wonder if Marv would be willing to let Neal borrow one? I should still have Marv's email addy. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > OK, Now it is time to have a "Real World" HD Radio test Comparing Apples to > Apples! During the Christmas Holiday programming, lets have Tom or Kerry to > record a song off of the air in HD Radio stereo with a high end HD Radio > tuner a few miles from the WOR Tower. Lets have Neal or somebody else on the > board to record the exact same song off of the air in C-QUAM a few miles > from WTTM's tower on a high end AMAX C-QUAM tuner such as a Carver TX-11c or > a Fanfare. Have both songs posted as a high bit rate .wav file, and let's > see which AM Stereo system sounds better. Just for fun, the person with the > high end analog tuner can record what that same song sounds like on WOR's > analog signal. > From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Nov 09 18:56:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93049 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 02:56:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 02:56:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 02:56:15 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (max1-193.skyweb.net [66.6.130.65]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAA2tr2f051915 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 21:55:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <419182FB.2070106@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:54:51 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <009b01c4c6cf$993788e0$d503fea9@home1> In-Reply-To: <009b01c4c6cf$993788e0$d503fea9@home1> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pick a good stereo song..... with lots of seperation. especially Xmas.... I can Play anything at anytime at Night.. From my remote studio here at the house. Just have your receivers ready ... How about sultans of swing, you pick it I wil play it.. Neal Scott Todd wrote: >BINGO!!! Great idea! If there's nobody up there with a Fanfare, I wonder >if Marv would be willing to let Neal borrow one? I should still have Marv's >email addy. > >ST >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Possum Hunter" > > > >>OK, Now it is time to have a "Real World" HD Radio test Comparing Apples >> >> >to > > >>Apples! During the Christmas Holiday programming, lets have Tom or Kerry >> >> >to > > >>record a song off of the air in HD Radio stereo with a high end HD Radio >>tuner a few miles from the WOR Tower. Lets have Neal or somebody else on >> >> >the > > >>board to record the exact same song off of the air in C-QUAM a few miles >>from WTTM's tower on a high end AMAX C-QUAM tuner such as a Carver TX-11c >> >> >or > > >>a Fanfare. Have both songs posted as a high bit rate .wav file, and let's >>see which AM Stereo system sounds better. Just for fun, the person with >> >> >the > > >>high end analog tuner can record what that same song sounds like on WOR's >>analog signal. >> >> >> > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Nov 09 20:47:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27409 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 04:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 04:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 04:47:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 04:47:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 04:47:07 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50127 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 00:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 00:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 00:41:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 00:41:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 00:41:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:41:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2308 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: KFI - worst case scenario!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Nov 2004 04:47:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 I may be going by their transmitter again on I-5 this next Sunday morning. If so, I'll try to take a few other radios with me and record KFI while we're going by. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > > http://68.105.108.90:1180/stephen/amradio/KFI_IBOC.mp3 > > Stephen - thanks for posting this. This is a nightmare scenario. > The SRF-42 is a product detector radio, and as such should reject > the digital sidebands when you are on channel. The culprit is KFI! > Obviously, KFI converted to IBOC without upgrading their antenna. > That is the ONLY way a phase modulated signal could leak into a > product detector at that high amplitude. Poor phase response at the > antenna would change phase modulation to an amplitude component. > Can you test this on a narrow band, envelope detector radio? I bet > the sidebands are so horrendous they even leak into one of those old > 3 IF transformer radios! If so, there are millions of legacy radios > in the LA basin that are hearing this - something KFI needs to be > aware of immediately! This will cost them listeners - as > that "bacon frying" effect will come through on ALL radios. You can > do them a tremendous favor by alerting them to this! > > By the way - I don't think IBOC can be stopped by focusing on > adjacent channel problems. Ibiquity and Clear Channel are doing a > good job at marginalizing that argument, and making skywave > listeners seem like kooks and fanatics. We need to focus on real > issues like KFI's poor IBOC implementation. > > I have heard an MP3 of a good implementation at WBT - but instead > of "bacon frying" - I hear high frequency "birdies" from the digital > sidebands. That tells me that their antenna phase is really good > and rejects 5-10 kHz, but there is significant leakage of the > amplitude modulated 10 to 15 kHz sidebands into the analog audio. > This is not good news, either. the amplitude is pretty high, and > although most AM listeners have long since grown accustomed to the > 10 kHz hetereodyne, this is different since it varies abruptly in > frequency and amplitude. Every wide band radio out there, including > the accidentaly "cheapie" ones that are becoming so predominant, > will reproduce the "birdies". From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Nov 09 21:00:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81387 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 05:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 05:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 05:00:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 05:00:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 05:00:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:00:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 260 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.7 Subject: Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Oh yeah. Production has been completing the conversion of the > Christmas library to stereo.....and it will be on in stereo this > year. For the six people with an IBOC receiver, that is.... the other 337,474 WOR listeners get over-processed 5 kHz mono. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Nov 09 22:04:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35197 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 06:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 06:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 06:04:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 06:02:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 06:02:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:02:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <419182FB.2070106@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 723 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.7 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Pick a good stereo song..... with lots of seperation. > especially Xmas.... > I can Play anything at anytime at Night.. From my remote studio > here at the house. > Just have your receivers ready ... > How about sultans of swing, you pick it I wil play it.. > > Neal Anytime after 6 PM, WTTM has an unfair advantage because that's when WOR has to shut off their IBOC signal and switch to analog. And especially in these past few days with the lack of skywaves, I've been getting fantastic nighttime C-Quam Stereo reception from WTTM, while the best anyone can get from WOR at night is 6 kHz mono (unless they fire up the old Continental, which is usually fed with full 10 kHz audio -- but still no stereo). From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Wed Nov 10 01:33:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79917 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 09:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 09:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.8) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 09:33:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:33:02 -0800 Received: from 68.255.63.45 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:32:00 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:32:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2004 09:33:02.0550 (UTC) FILETIME=[46404760:01C4C708] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.8 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.255.63.45] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Is there anyone else broadcasting in IBOC stereo other than WOR (are they the first?)? I have a JRC NRD-545 and want to see how well the DSP handles the digital signal. Thanks, Paul Crane >From: "Kevin T." >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:00:15 -0000 > > > > Oh yeah. Production has been completing the conversion of the > > Christmas library to stereo.....and it will be on in stereo this > > year. > >For the six people with an IBOC receiver, that is.... the other >337,474 WOR listeners get over-processed 5 kHz mono. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 01:50:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11059 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 09:50:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 09:50:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 09:50:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 09:50:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 09:50:52 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25119 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 09:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 09:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 09:44:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 09:44:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 09:44:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:44:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 375 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.42 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Nov 2004 09:50:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" wrote: > Is there anyone else broadcasting in IBOC stereo other than WOR (are they > the first?)? I have a JRC NRD-545 and want to see how well the DSP handles > the digital signal. Oooh, pricey toy. :) I think this is the only all-band receiver capable of AMS. (Or was that the 535?) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Wed Nov 10 02:15:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73715 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 10:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 10:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.11) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 10:15:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:15:08 -0800 Received: from 68.255.63.45 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:14:41 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:14:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2004 10:15:08.0071 (UTC) FILETIME=[27943370:01C4C70E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.11 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.255.63.45] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane I'm not sure about the 535, but this one is the all-band AMS. C-QUAM sounds really nice; I wanted to see what IBOC sounds like. The nearest ones to me are WCHB 1200 and WXYT 1270 in Detroit. Speaking of those two, when in the metro Detroit area, 1190, 1210, 1260, 1280, and 1290 are trashed. In fact, I couldn't hear nearby WLBY 1290 in Saline approximately 25 miles away. The stations sounded OK over my '98 Ford Mach stereo. Paul Crane >From: "Amy Mousie" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:44:02 -0000 > > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" >wrote: > > Is there anyone else broadcasting in IBOC stereo other than WOR >(are they > > the first?)? I have a JRC NRD-545 and want to see how well the DSP >handles > > the digital signal. > >Oooh, pricey toy. :) I think this is the only all-band receiver >capable of AMS. (Or was that the 535?) > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Nov 10 06:48:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53848 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 14:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 14:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 14:48:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 14:47:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 14:47:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:47:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1438 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: KFI - worst case scenario!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > I may be going by their transmitter again on I-5 this next Sunday > morning. If so, I'll try to take a few other radios with me and > record KFI while we're going by. Excellent! If you can, make them a nice mix of product detector types (SRF-42 and other AM stereo), envelope detector types (diode). Product detection is supposed to be immune to this stuff, I can only imagine how bad the self-jamming will be on an envelope detector! Another important test - see if you have some of the new radios with only a single ceramic filter IF. Most "cheapies" are made this way, instead of using 3 IF cans like they did only a few years ago. I heard a lot of "birdies" from the WBT sample - I expect to hear them along with the bacon frying effect on the cheap radios with one IF, and attenuated, but still noticable bacon frying effect on old designs. For the sake of definition: "bacon frying" - the sound of imperfectly phase modulated 5 to 10 kHz digital sidebands mixing with analog audio. "birdies" - the sound of 10 to 15 kHz amplitude digital sidebands mixing with analog audio. In defense of KFI - might the bacon frying be caused by localized reflections off of nearby mountains, similar to the problems with C- Quam documented by David Eduardo? This might be a real show stopper for IBOC in mountainous environments - while platform distortion was annoying - bacon frying is outright self-interference! From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 08:04:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62522 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 16:04:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 16:04:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52003.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.59) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 16:04:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 73275 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Nov 2004 16:04:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=m7hA6chnun1Shfw926ztWAzKwNlWEBSXCL2Q9sF11WszwbRo0pMY4XQ3AMzXkQF5ZsVO0GfnqPYctYnXtquQhlWUkf3oShC4h89vSmAWLMh0yt/nFWaCkG5+KseNAGHf0JA0gkRp5M0cZfOjIEuVHwc5HRVYZSgLCjsxW4JnX7g= ; Message-ID: <20041110160421.73266.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.64.98.99] by web52003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:04:21 PST Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:04:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20041110012039.19808.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.59 From: JNR Subject: Rythym & Beach Top 40 on stereo stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Which affiliates besides WNNC/1230 are stereo. The website, www.beachshag.com lists WLWL/770 as well which I thought was stereo. Powell, your WKDK is listed. Are you still there and is WKDK still carrying it? We here in the frigid Northeast are seriously considering adding the show. 73, Jay Rogers, N1WVQ WPEP/1570 P.D. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 09:01:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11910 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 17:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 17:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52403.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.111) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 17:01:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 47618 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Nov 2004 17:01:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=jleA2m+9kRW4pvF/MSmJgqWgTHY9mu2zn4nTexYm/idvxFOkqtWhi2P1TmK5J2p7WgUBhhyb2CS4rU7VckN9F50zA053BEgJQhD3LKoJ8tsjHHYq3rG8Gcjv7DhJxA/sWS/1rSjYPVFIMIZSaSh11XFqt349mMVMsOsAY02bH9g= ; Message-ID: <20041110170149.47616.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.126] by web52403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:01:49 PST Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:01:49 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20041110160421.73266.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.111 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rythym & Beach Top 40 on stereo stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- JNR wrote: > Which affiliates besides WNNC/1230 are stereo. > The website, www.beachshag.com lists WLWL/770 as > well which I thought was stereo. Powell, your > WKDK is listed. Are you still there and is WKDK > still carrying it? I'm not there anymore, but they probably still are. It's an OK but not great show. > We here in the frigid Northeast are seriously > considering adding the show. > 73, > Jay Rogers, N1WVQ > WPEP/1570 P.D. It might warm things up.... ]:) Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Nov 10 09:20:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70493 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 17:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 17:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 17:20:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 17:19:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 17:19:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:18:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 727 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Best AM Stereo in the US? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Gang: Thinking about a 'road trip', well, I just returned from Boston where I had the pleasure (and I do mean it was a pleasure) to hear WJIB in Stereo on my SRF-M100. Also went to LA, recently, and returned with plenty airchecks of KDIS/1110, from my SRF-A100 and WM- FX2, also one aircheck of KMRB/1430, Stereo with no pilot, and KFOX/1650, which was pilot only. KLAC, tho in Mono, was a pleasure to listen to nevertheless, with its Standards format. One can definitely spend some time on the AM band in LA. Looking for another place, with the one station in the US with the BEST sounding AMS around...Best frequency response, best FM-like sound...Music format, of course. Anywhere in the US is fine. -tony s. From cbreton27@hotmail.com Wed Nov 10 09:34:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2759 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 17:34:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 17:34:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 17:34:36 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:34:14 -0800 Received: from 69.157.129.221 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:33:28 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:33:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2004 17:34:14.0445 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F3DD5D0:01C4C74B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.67 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.129.221] Subject: Stereo at WOR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi gang ! I simple question from a beginner in am stereo, can i get in stereo WOR from my dodge shadow car radio ?? Thanks for the answer!! Chris From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Nov 10 09:43:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66741 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 17:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 17:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 17:43:11 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:43:00 -0800 Received: from 24.129.153.247 by BAY12-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:42:20 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:42:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2004 17:43:00.0495 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8CAB1F0:01C4C74C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.175 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.129.153.247] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo at WOR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 christian breton wrote: >can i get in stereo WOR from my dodge shadow car radio ?? No, Dodge does not offer a HD Radio yet. You must buy one of the high $$$ Kenwood HD Radio ready car radios and a Kenwood HD Radio reciever to hear WOR in Stereo. HD Radio will only work in the "City Grade" signal area. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Nov 10 09:47:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40529 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 17:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 17:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.176) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 17:47:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:47:00 -0800 Received: from 24.129.153.247 by BAY12-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:46:36 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:46:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2004 17:47:00.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[47F711C0:01C4C74D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.176 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.129.153.247] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM Stereo in the US? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Anthony wrote: > Looking for another place, with the one station in the US with the BEST sounding AMS around That is easy, just go to Princeton, NJ and tune your radio to 1680 WTTM. You will not find ANY radio station, AM, FM, Satellite, or HD Radio that sounds better than WTTM! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Nov 10 09:57:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52482 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 17:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 17:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.176) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 17:57:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:57:00 -0800 Received: from 24.129.153.247 by BAY12-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:56:18 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:56:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2004 17:57:00.0797 (UTC) FILETIME=[ADA69AD0:01C4C74E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.176 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.129.153.247] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: > Anytime after 6 PM, WTTM has an unfair advantage The biggest unfair advantage WTTM has is Neal! He sure makes WTTM sound sweet! In fact, it would be almost worth moving to NJ just to be able to listen to WTTM 24/7! If only 1680 WLAA would go off of the air a few nights.... > >while the best anyone can get from WOR at night is 6 kHz mono (unless they fire up the old Continental, which is usually fed with full 10 kHz audio -- but still no stereo). Now that the air chain is all in Stereo, perhaps Tom or Kerry can put a C-QUAM generator on the back-up transmitter? Once upon a time, the "beast" was on the air in Kahn Powerside. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Nov 10 10:39:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30659 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 18:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 18:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 18:39:37 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (max1-212.skyweb.net [66.6.130.84]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAAIcO2f056712 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:38:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <41925FE7.7030504@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:37:27 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo at WOR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hello Chris the answer is NO. unless you Install a IBOC capable radio Neal christian breton wrote: >Hi gang ! > > >I simple question from a beginner in am stereo, can i get in stereo WOR from >my dodge shadow car radio ?? > >Thanks for the answer!! > >Chris > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Nov 10 10:46:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29084 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 18:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 18:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 18:46:24 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (max1-212.skyweb.net [66.6.130.84]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAAIkQ2f056805 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:46:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <419261C9.1020904@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:45:29 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you think that WTTM sounds good now Just Wait....... We are planning on moving ours studios around April... I am trying to convince my partners to allow me to Purchase a Ariane Processor from Translantech... anyone who knows this unit will tell you what it does to the audio.... I have tried this unit at the NAB last year. and have wanted one ever since.. I was mistaken I thought WBBR Bloomberg radio had 2 of these they actually have 4.. Trust me. If I had my way. Every station I do work for. If they had the Money would have one of these.. Neal- CE/CO WTTM,WYGG,WUPC,W220AA Possum Hunter wrote: >Kevin T. wrote: > > >>Anytime after 6 PM, WTTM has an unfair advantage >> >> > >The biggest unfair advantage WTTM has is Neal! He sure makes WTTM sound >sweet! > >In fact, it would be almost worth moving to NJ just to be able to listen to >WTTM 24/7! If only 1680 WLAA would go off of the air a few nights.... > > >>while the best anyone can get from WOR at night is 6 kHz mono (unless they >> >> >fire up the old Continental, which is usually fed with full 10 kHz audio -- >but still no stereo). > >Now that the air chain is all in Stereo, perhaps Tom or Kerry can put a >C-QUAM generator on the back-up transmitter? Once upon a time, the "beast" >was on the air in Kahn Powerside. > >Kevin in Tampa >There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical >standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Wed Nov 10 11:21:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11883 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 19:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 19:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.173.57) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 19:21:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:21:09 -0800 Received: from 209.240.207.118 by BAY5-DAV27.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:20:08 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:20:08 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <10892-419269E8-59@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Anthony" 's message of Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:18:46 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2004 19:21:09.0054 (UTC) FILETIME=[6EA57DE0:01C4C75A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.173.57 X-eGroups-From: starship_2001@msn.com (Norbert 26) From: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: [209.240.207.118] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM Stereo in the US? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Besides WJIB which i can receive i think WWKB (WKBW) 1520 has a good signal. They sound good even on my MONO AM receivers VIA skywave. In fact KB sounds better then the local FMs on a good skywave. I also LIKE the music KB plays. ~MY MAIN INDEX~ http://norbert26.com ~THANKSGIVING SIG MAKER~ http://norbert26.com/sigmaker/thanksgiving/index.html ~WEBBY WORLD~ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/webby_world/ PM 976 plus running 2.9.1 update RM-4100 MSN TV 2 PC running IE 6.0 windows 98SE This is the end cried the little dog as he ran around in circles chasing his tail. From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Nov 10 13:05:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49050 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 21:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 21:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 21:05:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 21:04:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 21:04:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:04:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 348 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: Best AM Stereo in the US? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > Looking for another place, with the one station in the US with the > BEST sounding AMS around...Best frequency response, best FM-like > sound...Music format, of course. Anywhere in the US is fine. I nominate KMKI, 620 Dallas. It is the flagship station of the network, and has the audio train that also feeds their XM and Sirius channels. From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Nov 10 13:11:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98393 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 21:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 21:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 21:11:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 21:11:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 21:11:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:10:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1021 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: Stereo at WOR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > I simple question from a beginner in am stereo, can i get in stereo WOR from > my dodge shadow car radio ?? > > Thanks for the answer!! > > Chris No - AM IBOC is a digital format requiring a digital receiver. In fact, in order for AM to go digital, they must limit their analog frequency response. So WOR may sound worse in analog frequency response than other stations on your radio. The digital sidebands of WOR may cause interference on your radio. I have no doubt that Tom Ray has done an excellent job of keeping the 5-10 kHz digital sidebands off of the analog audio from his station by optimizing the phase of the WOR antenna array. But in areas where the phase modulation of the 5-10 kHz sidebands is messed up, like under high power lines, you may hear a "bacon frying" effect. You may also hear "birdies" on your AM stereo radio from digital sidebands above 10 kHz. These have been reported to have an irritating effect on other stations, making long term listening very unpleasant. From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Nov 10 13:15:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90356 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 21:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 21:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 21:15:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 21:15:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 21:15:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:15:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <419261C9.1020904@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 120 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Too bad you are way up in NJ - all I can get on 1680 is a horrible southern gospel station from somewhere in Louisana. From k6BLABBER@comcast.net Wed Nov 10 14:11:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: phonebone@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9467 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 22:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 22:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.198.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 22:11:48 -0000 Received: from linux (c-67-181-48-4.client.comcast.net[67.181.48.4]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004111022114701500k9nvre>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:11:47 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:10:46 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <1100114547.77872.11888.m21@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1100114547.77872.11888.m21@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200411101410.46057.phonebone@comcast.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.198.39 X-eGroups-From: phonebone From: phonebone Reply-To: phonebone@comcast.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM Stereo in the US? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153105479 X-Yahoo-Profile: K6BLAbber Well, if you are in the Sacramento CA area, check out KCTC-1320 with their= =20 sparkling AM stereo big band & oldies format. They never advertise the fac= t=20 that they are in stereo, or mention it at all, but this may be because thei= r=20 content is all beamed in from far away. It's a "Music Of Your Life" statio= n=20 with Chuck Southcutt, Gary Owens, Wink Martindale, Garry Marshall and a who= le=20 other gang of people.=20=20 There's another AM station nearby, KVIN-920, that carries the same=20 programming, but they are in mono. Nice sounding signal, anyway.=20=20 Scott K6BLA Stoctkon CA > Message: 18 > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:18:46 -0000 > From: "Anthony" > Subject: Best AM Stereo in the US? > > Gang: > > Thinking about a 'road trip', well, I just returned from Boston > where I had the pleasure (and I do mean it was a pleasure) to hear > WJIB in Stereo on my SRF-M100. Also went to LA, recently, and > returned with plenty airchecks of KDIS/1110, from my SRF-A100 and WM- > FX2, also one aircheck of KMRB/1430, Stereo with no pilot, and > KFOX/1650, which was pilot only. KLAC, tho in Mono, was a pleasure > to listen to nevertheless, with its Standards format. One can > definitely spend some time on the AM band in LA. > > Looking for another place, with the one station in the US with the > BEST sounding AMS around...Best frequency response, best FM-like > sound...Music format, of course. Anywhere in the US is fine. > > -tony s. > From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 14:19:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82547 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 22:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 22:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 22:19:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 22:18:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 22:18:44 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22516 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 10:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 10:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 10:36:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 10:36:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 10:36:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:36:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 666 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.42 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Nov 2004 22:18:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" wrote: > I'm not sure about the 535, but this one is the all-band AMS. C- QUAM sounds > really nice; I don't think I have heard any samples from a 545 yet (and with it being the only commercially-available shortwave-capable AMS, it would be nice to hear how shortwave reception is like in that mode, especially with known non-DSB stations), but still- At about $3k a pop, last I looked, it's something I'll never have within my reach. (It's half what I get in a year!) So have you been able to use the 545's DSP to attempt a DSP-based reception of DRM transmissions, yet? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 14:21:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24421 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 22:21:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 22:21:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 22:21:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 22:21:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 22:21:14 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99034 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 18:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 18:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 18:35:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 18:35:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 18:35:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:35:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1260 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.177 Subject: Re: Best AM Stereo in the US? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Nov 2004 22:21:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > Gang: > > Thinking about a 'road trip', well, I just returned from Boston > where I had the pleasure (and I do mean it was a pleasure) to hear > WJIB in Stereo on my SRF-M100. Also went to LA, recently, and > returned with plenty airchecks of KDIS/1110, from my SRF-A100 and From the samples I've heard, 'JIB kicks ass. WM- > FX2, also one aircheck of KMRB/1430, Stereo with no pilot, and > KFOX/1650, which was pilot only. KLAC, tho in Mono, was a pleasure > to listen to nevertheless, with its Standards format. One can > definitely spend some time on the AM band in LA. You must've caught KFOX on a mono program. I assure you the station is very much stereo, but they do have periodic mono programming they get from other sources. Even when it was an all-traffic station, it was entirely stereo. Forget the calls offhand, though. > Looking for another place, with the one station in the US with the > BEST sounding AMS around...Best frequency response, best FM-like > sound...Music format, of course. Anywhere in the US is fine. Based on samples I've heard, WTTM is the hands-down best-sounding AMS station currently broadcasting in the US. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 14:21:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 49435 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 22:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 22:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 22:21:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 22:21:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 22:21:38 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52389 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 21:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 21:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 21:17:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 21:17:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 21:17:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:16:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2726 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: KFI - worst case scenario!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Nov 2004 22:21:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 Ok. I'll at least try to remember to take an older (not sure if it's 60s or 70s or what it is) Zenith R705j portable AM radio, an 80s (or 70s, I'm not sure) vintage GE AM/FM radio, a Radio Shack Flavoradio, and I'll see if I have a few others. I also have a greymark am radio kit that I've had sitting around for several years that has yet to be completed... don't know when/if I'll ever get to it. It doesn't have a 6 element 450/455kHz ceramic IF filter with a 6dB bandwidth of 10kHz and a 60dB bandwidth of 20kHz, or a C-Quam decoder. :( looking around a bit I also remembered my Aiwa HS-JX838. I should record some with that, too. And I'll see if I can put my temporarily partially dismantled $5 Lennox radio back together and record some with that. In the meantime, I have several hundred MB (if not several GB) worth of unscoped (btw I hate scoped airchecks when there is no link to an unscoped version provided on the same site that the scoped version is linked) airchecks of KDIS, some recorded from El Cajon, CA, and some recorded from the L.A. area, and some recorded from the Inland Empire. Is there a place I should upload them? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > > I may be going by their transmitter again on I-5 this next Sunday > > morning. If so, I'll try to take a few other radios with me and > > record KFI while we're going by. > > Excellent! If you can, make them a nice mix of product detector > types (SRF-42 and other AM stereo), envelope detector types > (diode). Product detection is supposed to be immune to this stuff, > I can only imagine how bad the self-jamming will be on an envelope > detector! > > Another important test - see if you have some of the new radios with > only a single ceramic filter IF. Most "cheapies" are made this way, > instead of using 3 IF cans like they did only a few years ago. I > heard a lot of "birdies" from the WBT sample - I expect to hear them > along with the bacon frying effect on the cheap radios with one IF, > and attenuated, but still noticable bacon frying effect on old > designs. > > For the sake of definition: > > "bacon frying" - the sound of imperfectly phase modulated 5 to 10 > kHz digital sidebands mixing with analog audio. > > "birdies" - the sound of 10 to 15 kHz amplitude digital sidebands > mixing with analog audio. > > In defense of KFI - might the bacon frying be caused by localized > reflections off of nearby mountains, similar to the problems with C- > Quam documented by David Eduardo? This might be a real show stopper > for IBOC in mountainous environments - while platform distortion was > annoying - bacon frying is outright self-interference! From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 14:21:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26848 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 22:21:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 22:21:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 22:21:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 22:21:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 22:21:53 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41070 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 21:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 21:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 21:20:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 21:20:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 21:20:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:20:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1928 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: KFI - worst case scenario!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Nov 2004 22:21:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 (appending to previous post) would any of these (btw they are my dad's portables) have a single filter, or what might they have? (all are digitally tuned) Aiwa TX476 Sony WM-FS220 RCA RP-1665 (this one is particularly wide - sounds like at least 8 to 10kHz audio when I listen to KMIK on this, and it bleeds over badly on +/- 10 and maybe 20 kHz) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > > I may be going by their transmitter again on I-5 this next Sunday > > morning. If so, I'll try to take a few other radios with me and > > record KFI while we're going by. > > Excellent! If you can, make them a nice mix of product detector > types (SRF-42 and other AM stereo), envelope detector types > (diode). Product detection is supposed to be immune to this stuff, > I can only imagine how bad the self-jamming will be on an envelope > detector! > > Another important test - see if you have some of the new radios with > only a single ceramic filter IF. Most "cheapies" are made this way, > instead of using 3 IF cans like they did only a few years ago. I > heard a lot of "birdies" from the WBT sample - I expect to hear them > along with the bacon frying effect on the cheap radios with one IF, > and attenuated, but still noticable bacon frying effect on old > designs. > > For the sake of definition: > > "bacon frying" - the sound of imperfectly phase modulated 5 to 10 > kHz digital sidebands mixing with analog audio. > > "birdies" - the sound of 10 to 15 kHz amplitude digital sidebands > mixing with analog audio. > > In defense of KFI - might the bacon frying be caused by localized > reflections off of nearby mountains, similar to the problems with C- > Quam documented by David Eduardo? This might be a real show stopper > for IBOC in mountainous environments - while platform distortion was > annoying - bacon frying is outright self-interference! From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Nov 10 15:52:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29316 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 23:52:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 23:52:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 23:52:27 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.23.76]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:52:24 -0700 Message-ID: <006201c4c780$a92daa20$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:54:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2004 23:52:25.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[544A8E10:01C4C780] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude One other thought on this- Record these as .wav files and burn the results to a CD. That way nobody can claim any degredation from going MP3. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > Who has best audio? Will the winner be 710 WOR or 1680 WTTM? From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Nov 10 16:26:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11156 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 00:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2004 00:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.137) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 00:26:52 -0000 Received: from storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 9423CD65B for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:26:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA04567; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:26:52 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRSEdibM4NVSkFF3Gq2Gr3BYiKfAQIUCpgxCzxfafUWJ7gAo00ztqeIGQc= Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:26:52 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <5724-4192B1CC-1176@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 10 Nov 2004 22:48:38 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.137 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1378 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Per Bruce Carter: I agree on the nomination of KMKI 620 Dallas, Texas - Radio Disney. Both KMKI and it's news talk (( AM Stereo )) sister, 820 WBAP are total class acts... Many, Many broadcasters out there should be taking copious textbook notes on how WBAP/ KSCS(fm) / & KMKI run their stations. KMKI owes some of it's credit to it's previous owners 620 KAAM which had a nostalgic, big band ( AM Stereo ) format for awhile on 620. KAAM is now on 770 and could possibly be in Stereo. I have not been it Dallas, Fort Worth for a while so I haven't personally had a chance to check. P.S. I have gotten KMKI 620 Dallas ( In AM Stereo ) here in Omaha, NE But it is rare..... Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Nov 10 16:53:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11761 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 00:53:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2004 00:53:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.184) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 00:53:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:53:00 -0800 Received: from 24.94.101.49 by BAY12-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 00:52:21 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <1100114547.77872.11888.m21@yahoogroups.com> <200411101410.46057.phonebone@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:52:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2004 00:53:00.0855 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB013470:01C4C788] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.184 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.101.49] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM Stereo in the US? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit phonebone wrote: >check out KCTC-1320 with their sparkling AM stereo big band & oldies format. Wow! Must be nice! Here in Tampa our Music Of Your Life station, WGUL, gives you the choice of Muffled Mono on AM 860 or distorted Stereo on FM 106.3. While it is in Mono, Prime Time Radio AM 740 CHWO http://www.am740.ca has good audio and great programming. I used to hear them, but now AM 740 is trashed by several news talkers in the US. CHWO used to be CBC Radio 1 station CBL 740. You can take a photo tour of CHWO's transmitter site where you will see the Continental 317C lit up and on the air here http://www.odxa.on.ca/archives/cbltour.html Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Nov 10 17:03:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93331 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 01:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2004 01:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.185) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 01:03:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:03:03 -0800 Received: from 24.94.101.49 by BAY12-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:02:04 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:02:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2004 01:03:03.0313 (UTC) FILETIME=[32190010:01C4C78A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.185 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.101.49] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Best AM Stereo in the US? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > Based on samples I've heard, WTTM is the hands-down best-sounding AMS station currently broadcasting in the US. Have you listened to the air checks of 1600 WWRL when they were in C-QUAM? Good Gawd what audio! It is a dirty rotten shame they let Lenny talk them into running PowerSide. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 18:30:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27594 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 02:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2004 02:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14227.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.111) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 02:30:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 24559 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Nov 2004 02:30:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Rwkfk9k59XPra2ddjmq0+voyZtGUwRL8jkMK3pb7x7GQ5lzhI8Cy6If3D/W1HYmsBRAhn53Gulx8TMevk7KtmPJSp4npfE8DgT8N0a8IFMzHUma2/27vEwl9Ru836gA8J0Kj5MCwc+gPN7+2NMo3+eP6IRNDY4PQezLhWH18Tew= ; Message-ID: <20041111023020.24557.qmail@web14227.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.0.194.48] by web14227.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:30:20 PST Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:30:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.171.111 From: "John P." Subject: From Broadcast Net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:58:16 -0500 To: radio-tech@broadcast.net From: Stu Engelke Subject: [RT] Shazam! AM Stereo in a 2004 Ford! Reply-To: radio-tech@broadcast.net At least a "ST" light comes on at 1660 which is doing AM stereo in the NYC area. No mention of it at all in the manual. The car was originally intended for Canada. No difference in sound and no difference to my ears if I run at 6khz or NRSC bandwidth. Stu __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Nov 10 18:39:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78724 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 02:39:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2004 02:39:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.185) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 02:39:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:39:01 -0800 Received: from 24.94.101.49 by BAY12-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:38:37 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <419261C9.1020904@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:38:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2004 02:39:01.0751 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A64E870:01C4C797] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.185 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.101.49] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Neal Newman wrote: > I am trying to convince my partners to allow me to Purchase a Ariane Processor from Translantech... Do you know where I can download some audio samples or air checks of Ariane stations? Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Nov 10 19:29:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18158 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 03:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2004 03:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.191) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 03:29:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:29:01 -0800 Received: from 24.94.101.49 by BAY12-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 03:28:44 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <419261C9.1020904@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:28:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2004 03:29:01.0951 (UTC) FILETIME=[96A718F0:01C4C79E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.191 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.101.49] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Neal Newman wrote: > I am trying to convince my partners to allow me to Purchase a Ariane Processor from Translantech... Do you know where I can download some audio samples or air checks of Ariane stations? Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 20:18:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46673 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 04:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2004 04:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 04:18:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2004 04:18:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2004 04:18:18 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82776 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 22:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2004 22:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 22:59:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 22:59:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2004 22:59:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:59:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 795 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: Best AM Stereo in the US? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 11 Nov 2004 04:18:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > > Looking for another place, with the one station in the US with the > > BEST sounding AMS around...Best frequency response, best FM-like > > sound...Music format, of course. Anywhere in the US is fine. > > I nominate KMKI, 620 Dallas. It is the flagship station of the > network, and has the audio train that also feeds their XM and Sirius > channels. Let's add 1110 KDIS Pasadena/Los Angeles to the list of nominations. I have a few airchecks recorded of the Top 30 Countdown (or parts of it) when I was near (within 50 miles of) the station, but would like to know which AM Stereo ftp site I should upload them to. I don't like hosting 100+MB files on my own site, as the upload speed is quite limited. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 20:21:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30881 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 04:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2004 04:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 04:21:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2004 04:21:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2004 04:21:19 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88902 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 01:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2004 01:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 01:33:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2004 01:33:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2004 01:33:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:33:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 823 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.93 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Best AM Stereo in the US? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 11 Nov 2004 04:21:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Amy Mousie wrote: > > Based on samples I've heard, WTTM is the hands-down best-sounding AMS > station currently broadcasting in the US. > > Have you listened to the air checks of 1600 WWRL when they were in C-QUAM? > Good Gawd what audio! It is a dirty rotten shame they let Lenny talk them > into running PowerSide. Yes, I have. Notice the qualifier in my above response, though- "currently broadcasting in the US". :) There have been alot of great-sounding stations that have gone by the wayside, even in more recent years. But yes, I would definitely say stations like WBAP, WCTC and WTTM (the best, in my opinion) do bang-up jobs of broadcasting in AM stereo. Of bygone days, I would nominate WOWO. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 20:37:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6083 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 04:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2004 04:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 04:37:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2004 04:37:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2004 04:37:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:37:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041111023020.24557.qmail@web14227.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1282 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.13 Subject: Re: From Broadcast Net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > From: Stu Engelke > Subject: [RT] Shazam! AM Stereo in a 2004 Ford! > > At least a "ST" light comes on at 1660 which is doing AM stereo in > the NYC area. > > No mention of it at all in the manual. The car was originally > intended for Canada. > > No difference in sound and no difference to my ears if I run at > 6khz or NRSC bandwidth. > > Stu You forgot to include his "sig"... Stuart is an engineer for Salem's NYC stations, 570 WMCA and 970 WWDJ. Both of these stations are mono, and both have experimented with 5 or 6 kHz audio, but are currently running full 10 kHz NRSC audio bandwidth. WMCA may have also used either Kahn AM Stereo or Kahn Power-Side in the past, as a 1998 photo of their equipment rack showed Kahn devices (including a Kahn AM Stereo modulation monitor) and a CRL AM Stereo Matrix Processor. Today they are plain mono and I believe they are using an Optimod 9200. WMCA and WWDJ also currently both have reverb in their audio chain... needless to say it's quite interesting to hear religious talk programming with reverb! There was some gossip that WMCA may switch to a "Real Oldies"-type format -- and they are already using their classic "Good Guys" jingles again -- but I doubt that a format change is imminent. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Nov 10 20:47:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23303 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 04:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2004 04:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.185) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 04:47:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:47:00 -0800 Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY12-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:46:26 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:46:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2004 04:47:00.0743 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B6E1970:01C4C7A9] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.185 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Best AM Stereo in the US? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy Mousie wrote: > But yes, I would definitely say stations like WBAP, WCTC and WTTM (the best, in my opinion) do bang-up jobs of broadcasting in AM stereo. I agree! Another station that does a great job is "Power 1490 V1490 Amstereo" WVGB-AM 1490 Beaufort, South Carolina. All of their liners say "V-1490 AM Stereo" and they have the best sounding Black Gospel music format I have ever heard. WBZ sounds awsome when they are on the backup transmitter! > > Of bygone days, I would nominate WOWO. WOWO was the best radio station ever to go on the air! When I worked 3rd shift, I used to listen to Chris Underwood every night. Other great sounding AM stereo stations were 1560 WQEW, 1210 WOGL, 840 WHAS, 660 WNBC, and 650 WSM. It is a crying shame that Tampa AM radio sucks! I would listen to WGUL if they fixed their audio. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 22:11:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42209 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 06:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2004 06:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52402.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.110) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 06:11:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 32878 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Nov 2004 06:11:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=DcwU57NRW860GwvEkjunzquKioLLS0ykIxikyOO2JOQo6+te0/SQ1zm4/VWpAJQfuqw+0pHTpg3mO1CI74M1LkIT39sfrlu7W0dOfefAgIUgi2uonhjbppZ571wndNCh9pIQ+w3ZZkIrEHeZQz5+XAI2WpRWsVsh79oyiI6IefM= ; Message-ID: <20041111061154.32876.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.74] by web52402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:11:54 PST Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:11:54 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.110 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo at WOR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- christian breton wrote: > Hi gang ! > > > I simple question from a beginner in am stereo, can > i get in stereo WOR from > my dodge shadow car radio ?? > > Thanks for the answer!! > > Chris Not unless you put in an IBOC radio... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu Nov 11 00:18:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20802 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 08:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2004 08:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 08:18:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 00:17:02 -0800 Received: from 68.255.63.45 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:16:10 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 03:16:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2004 08:17:02.0319 (UTC) FILETIME=[D28DFFF0:01C4C7C6] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.42 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.255.63.45] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Best AM Stereo in the US? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane WJR when they play commercials or music. I realize CFCO is in Canada, but they have good coverage in most of Michigan -- great sound. WGTO with their oldies off the bird normally sounds good (although I don't always hear separation -- it may be the particular song that's aired). WZZB sounds good too. In the past, definitely WOWO especially when they were doing oldies. Also WLS when they played oldies back in the late 80's. I'll never forget hearing "California Girls" when I was driving around Chicagoland. WMMI when they did oldies off the bird -- another reason to drive in the northern lower peninsula! Paul Crane >From: "Possum Hunter" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Best AM Stereo in the US? >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:46:25 -0500 > >Amy Mousie wrote: > > But yes, I would definitely say stations like WBAP, WCTC and WTTM (the >best, in my opinion) do bang-up jobs of broadcasting in AM stereo. > >I agree! Another station that does a great job is "Power 1490 V1490 >Amstereo" WVGB-AM 1490 Beaufort, South Carolina. All of their liners say >"V-1490 AM Stereo" and they have the best sounding Black Gospel music >format I have ever heard. > >WBZ sounds awsome when they are on the backup transmitter! > > > > Of bygone days, I would nominate WOWO. > >WOWO was the best radio station ever to go on the air! When I worked 3rd >shift, I used to listen to Chris Underwood every night. > >Other great sounding AM stereo stations were 1560 WQEW, 1210 WOGL, 840 >WHAS, 660 WNBC, and 650 WSM. > >It is a crying shame that Tampa AM radio sucks! I would listen to WGUL if >they fixed their audio. > >Kevin in Tampa >There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical >standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu Nov 11 00:37:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46485 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 08:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2004 08:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.52) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 08:37:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 00:37:05 -0800 Received: from 68.255.63.45 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:36:03 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 03:36:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2004 08:37:05.0807 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FE3B1F0:01C4C7C9] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.52 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.255.63.45] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Universal Radio has them for $1800: http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/commrxvr/1545.html DRM...this is new to me. After a quick search on the internet, I found a schedule of DRM broadcasts and will have to check it out. However, the 545 was not one of the receivers listed. Paul Crane >From: "Amy Mousie" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:36:06 -0000 > > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" >wrote: > > I'm not sure about the 535, but this one is the all-band AMS. C- >QUAM sounds > > really nice; > >I don't think I have heard any samples from a 545 yet (and with it >being the only commercially-available shortwave-capable AMS, it would >be nice to hear how shortwave reception is like in that mode, >especially with known non-DSB stations), but still- At about $3k a >pop, last I looked, it's something I'll never have within my reach. >(It's half what I get in a year!) > >So have you been able to use the 545's DSP to attempt a DSP-based >reception of DRM transmissions, yet? > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Nov 11 09:10:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7227 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 17:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2004 17:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 17:10:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2004 17:09:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2004 17:09:18 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58690 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 09:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2004 09:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 09:06:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2004 09:06:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2004 09:06:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:06:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1459 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.44 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 11 Nov 2004 17:09:19 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" wrote: > Universal Radio has them for $1800: > > http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/commrxvr/1545.html > > DRM...this is new to me. After a quick search on the internet, I found a > schedule of DRM broadcasts and will have to check it out. However, the 545 > was not one of the receivers listed. I would prtesume this is the sced posted at Radio Netherlands, right? Anyhoo, it would be interesting to see if the 545 makes heads or tails (but not my tail!) of DRM's signal through the DSP (although, perhaps somewhere there's a DRM DSP patch for the 545- No telling.) Even $1800 is pricey for me- Heck, I can't even afford one of Marv's Fanfares. :( Just ordered the FM Atlas from Universal- Looks like I'm going to need it, as I may be heading down to San Francisco for a couple days as one of my uncles gets evaluatedc to work for the Forest Service, and while I'm there, check to see if any remaining C-QUAM sdtations are still going- especially check in with KVON's signal- then check the SCA scene in the Bay Area. Oh, and for west-coast AMSers of the past, the best sounding were KFI, KNBR, KEX and KRAK. As for overseas, well.... ALL of the Japanese AMS stations qualify for "best-sounding", as well as Australia's 1332 4BU, Bundaberg, Qld.- Dunno if 4BU's still kicking in stereo, but the DX MP3 at amstereo.audio-stream.net is fantastic! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From Bossmsx@aol.com Thu Nov 11 09:19:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25100 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 17:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2004 17:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 17:19:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2004 17:19:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2004 17:19:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:19:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 685 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.100.196 Subject: WJIB Was: Re: Best AM Stereo in the US? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > From the samples I've heard, 'JIB kicks ass. Lots of people echoing sentiments re: WJIB....They are all true...The SRF-M100 is no biggie on frequency response, but boy did WJIB ever shine on it last week when I went up to Boston (tuning it to 738 due to 9khz spacing only)!!! I made quite a few airchex to DAT of WJIB, it will be some time before I transfer said DATs to CD, maybe I can post them somewhere. The wonderful thing of WJIB is, unlike many AMS stations, that usually go Mono for their flea power nighttime authorization of 10 watts or less, WJIB actually STAYS in Stereo at night, even though they only broadcast at a measly give or take 10 watts. --tony s. From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 11 09:30:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43109 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 17:30:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2004 17:30:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 17:30:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 76793 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Nov 2004 17:30:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=u7HNfl21hD7TT1Y+GdhyN922yoNN3GcslRkGydtMz1B5zraX2qWSoATTOLSEND39BO1jAZjSByDzGd5+ByROY8ov48MIKqTAc9tEA67Pf3/wgHrMi+M78bOErEFK97z4/f6TawDpc6IwQUSfTVQThFS8tEaapnXlfvKRC9pLWlk= ; Message-ID: <20041111173001.76790.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.73] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:30:01 PST Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:30:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" > > wrote: > > Universal Radio has them for $1800: > > > > > http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/commrxvr/1545.html > > > > DRM...this is new to me. After a quick search on > the internet, I > found a > > schedule of DRM broadcasts and will have to check > it out. However, > the 545 > > was not one of the receivers listed. > > I would prtesume this is the sced posted at Radio > Netherlands, right? > > Anyhoo, it would be interesting to see if the 545 > makes heads or > tails (but not my tail!) of DRM's signal through the > DSP (although, > perhaps somewhere there's a DRM DSP patch for the > 545- No telling.) NO, you have to have the decoder. BUT if you have THE proper software and have the proper IF output on the back of your RX you CAN decode DRM with your computer. EXPECT NEVER to see one of these for IBOC. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Nov 11 11:18:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13538 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 19:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2004 19:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 19:18:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2004 19:17:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2004 19:17:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:17:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 144 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.1.21 Subject: LIST OF IBOC AM SAMPLES ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Is there a site with samples ? I wish Europe would get going on the AM band with our system DRM... apparently meant to be better than IBOC ?? From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Nov 11 13:35:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18670 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 21:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2004 21:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 21:35:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2004 21:35:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2004 21:35:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:35:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 643 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: LIST OF IBOC AM SAMPLES ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > Is there a site with samples ? I wish Europe would get going on the > AM band with our system DRM... apparently meant to be better than > IBOC ?? the problem is - even with MP3 samples - the file sizes are huge. They quickly fill up alloted storage on the group files page, and this group's files are full. I have wanted to post data sheets with reference designs proving most new radios are broadband - and lists of products, etc. I guess maybe a new IBOC group could be established for audio clips, etc - but they would have to be very short - just a second or two - or the file area of that new group will fill up as well. From Bossmsx@aol.com Thu Nov 11 16:33:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10522 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 00:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 00:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 00:33:07 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id r.81.1a8bce5b (25098) for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:33:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <81.1a8bce5b.2ec55ec1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:33:05 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.11 From: Bossmsx@aol.com Subject: KRML/1410 Carmel, CA. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know if this station is still Stereo?? If so, any comments on how good it sounds? --tony s/miami [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Nov 11 18:10:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37581 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 02:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 02:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.177) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 02:10:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:10:00 -0800 Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY12-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 02:09:42 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <419261C9.1020904@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:09:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2004 02:10:00.0958 (UTC) FILETIME=[B736B9E0:01C4C85C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.177 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: South Asian Music Was: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Neal Newman wrote: > If you think that WTTM sounds good now Just Wait....... Speaking of WTTM's ultra-kewl South Asian Music format.... I have been wondering how a STEREO Part 15 playing Punjabi would go over here in the Tampa Metro? It wouldn't be hard at all to set one up playing Apna Network http://www.apnaradio.com/ from their high fidelity webcast on http://www.apnaradio.com/live/apnaradio.m3u Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Nov 11 19:30:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52970 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 03:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 03:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.35.184) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 03:30:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:30:01 -0800 Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY12-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 03:29:48 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <419261C9.1020904@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:29:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2004 03:30:01.0049 (UTC) FILETIME=[E44A7C90:01C4C867] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.35.184 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Audio Processing Was: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Neal Newman wrote: > I am trying to convince my partners to allow me to Purchase a Ariane Processor from Translantech... anyone who knows this unit will tell you what it does to the audio.... Another box that makes the audio sound like your dashboard is a sound stage is the Modulation Sciences MYB-2, StereoMaxx Spatial Image Enlarger http://www.modsci.com/pages/Radio%20Products/myb-2/myb-2intro.html When the long gone WANS-FM put one on the air, it blew a hole in the radio dial! This magic box makes Stereo music sound like it is 90 miles wide, yet listeners on Mono radios hear no difference at all! The StereoMaxx put the rating for WANS over the top and killed competing WCKN-FM and WQOK-AM. WANS remained on top until they lost their license and were sued over their morning show calling a bomb threat in to competing WMYI-FM When WSSL-FM put a StereoMaxx on the air driving a pair of Texar audio prizms into an Optimod 8100, people would call competing WESC-FM complaining the music sounded lifeless and thought WESC was having transmitter problems! LOL I have been told, but have no confirmation that 1600 WWRL had one on the air when they were broadcasting in C-QUAM. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Nov 11 20:15:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37348 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 04:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 04:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 04:15:40 -0000 Received: from jimspc (ppp-68-22-243-58.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iAC4FaJa027310 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:15:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003501c4c86e$432cbe20$6601a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:15:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Best AM Stereo in the US? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > WOWO was the best radio station ever to go on the air! When I worked 3rd > shift, I used to listen to Chris Underwood every night. > > Other great sounding AM stereo stations were 1560 WQEW, 1210 WOGL, 840 > WHAS, 660 WNBC, and 650 WSM. I agree that WHAS and WOWO had great AM Stereo signals (WLS still does), but....... (here I go again)... The best sounding currently operating AM Stereo in America is still WZZB, 1390 KHz in Seymour Indiana. They are owned by Susquehanna, and the engineer who put the airchain together is Bob Hawkins. They have the best processing and stereo separation I have ever heard on an AM station.. They are a soft, gold-based AC, and they are a class D (daytimer) on 1390KHz with 1KW days and somewhat less than 100 watts at night. If you have a decent C-Quam radio in your vehicle, next time your driving Interstate 65 from Indianapolis to Louisville, check em out. Driving north they start sounding great at the 25 mile marker (25 miles north of Louisville) and the start fading at the 70 miler marker (35 miles south of Indianapolis). This is during daytime hours only. Their night signal barely covers the county so don't expect much after sunset (and DXing is impossible since 1390 KHz is a rather noisy regional channel). Their transmitter is near the 50 miler-marker and they are the best, bar none AM Stereo in America (that I've heard). From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Thu Nov 11 21:33:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42234 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 05:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 05:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 05:33:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 05:33:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 05:33:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 05:32:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 829 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 68.161.23.231 Subject: Re: Audio Processing Was: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Another box that makes the audio sound like your dashboard is a sound stage > is the Modulation Sciences MYB-2, StereoMaxx Spatial Image Enlarger You need to be VERY careful when using something like this. Any time you play with the L-R content, you open up a can of worms: from multipath problems to L+R compatability issues to unmasking midrange distortion to just making the stations sound artificial, stereo enhancers can sometimes make the situation worse. I have heard FM's go in the tank with multipath with one of these beasts in the airchain. With everything, there is a tradeoff in audio processing. While the urge is to just "turn it up" because it can sound cool, you need good ears to know when too much is too much. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Nov 12 05:01:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28485 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 13:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 13:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 13:01:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 05:01:00 -0800 Received: from 24.129.153.247 by BAY101-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:00:01 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:59:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2004 13:01:00.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[A89E8D30:01C4C8B7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.81 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.129.153.247] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Audio Processing Was: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 wgliradio wrote: > You need to be VERY careful when using something like this. Any time you play with the L-R content, you open up a can of worms: from multipath problems to L+R compatability issues The StereoMaxx is made to not over emphasize the L-R and to leave the L+R alone. If set up right, they sound great. > >With everything, there is a tradeoff in audio processing. Very true! You can make the best audio processor sound like crap if you don't know how to set it up. The key to setting up a box like the StereoMaxx, Audio Prisms, or any other sort of processing is to make your radio station sound just a LITTLE BIT louder, a little bit brighter, and a little bit wider than anybody else in the market with your format. The idea is to make listeners have to turn up the volume and treble a bit when they tune in a competitor, and the competitor still sound drab compared to your station. On the other hand, you don't want to drive them off with listener fatigue. Of course, this all gets thrown out the window in a loudness war! LOL Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Nov 12 05:38:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27755 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 13:38:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 13:38:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 13:38:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 13:38:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 13:38:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:38:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 977 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.245.212.207 Subject: Re: Audio Processing Was: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: > > Another box that makes the audio sound like your dashboard is a > sound stage > > is the Modulation Sciences MYB-2, StereoMaxx Spatial Image Enlarger > > You need to be VERY careful when using something like this. I'm sure all the broadcast engineers on here will hate my guts after this confession, but when I was doing overnights in the early 90s, I used to sneak into the equipment room and put the StereoMaxx on bypass for my shift, I hated the sound of the darn thing so much. Not only did it send our multipath into orbit, it also gave everything a sort of robotic tin-can sound that I absolutely couldn't stand, like Eddie the Shipboard Computer was singing along or something. I don't know if they had the thing set on "kill" instead of "stun" or what, but I find it ludicrous that it could possibly have any effect whatsoever on ratings, except for downwards. From tomray@wor710.com Fri Nov 12 09:45:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33852 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 17:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 17:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 17:45:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 17:45:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 17:45:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:44:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4191622E.2070708@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 302 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > Hey Tom > Now that your going Stereo.. are you planning on putting an Ariane > processor in the audio Chain?? > No. But we are considering micing Bob Grant with two mics so he can talk out of both sides of his mouth! TR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Nov 12 09:49:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22212 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 17:49:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 17:49:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 17:49:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 17:49:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 17:49:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:49:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 304 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" wrote: > Is there anyone else broadcasting in IBOC stereo other than WOR (are they > the first?)? I have a JRC NRD-545 and want to see how well the DSP handles > the digital signal. > WBZ, Boston, and WGY, Schenectady. Tom Ray WOR From kya1260@lycos.com Fri Nov 12 09:50:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89772 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 17:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 17:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 17:50:39 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 7B103180013B for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:49:35 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 12 Nov 2004 17:49:35 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 31501E5BC6; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:49:34 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:49:34 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: k6BLABBER@comcast.net Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:49:34 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20041112174934.31501E5BC6@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Jay Arnold" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.95.242 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM Stereo in the US? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ I agree - KCTC 1320 has very good stereo... Although I don't get around like most of the AM Stereo Gang, from the AM Stereo stations I have heard, KRLA 1110 (now KDIS) was one of the best! I always taped them on my Sony CFS-6000 AM Stereo Boom Box, between 1989 and 1993, and was never=20 disappointed... KLAC 570, when it was Country, was another AM stereo treat, as was 1240 KNRY, Monterey, during its oldies days in the=20 mid-1980s... Closer to home (SF Bay Area), KFRC 610 was great when they had Kahn AM Stereo, very good in the mid-1990s when they had the C-QUAM. In 1993, I had a Marantz Car AM Stereo and though it didn't have the greatest sound, the novelty was the signal strength meter which showed the left and right channel activity for the station I tune to. KFRC's seperation was very visable! These days, not much AM Stereo to be heard; wish I could've WOWO=20 WZZB, 1390 KHz in Seymour Indiana, and others back east, from what everyone= says here. I did hear 66 WNBC via aircheck, and that, too,=20 was excellent stereo... In July 2001, there were just a handful of AM Stereo stations in=20 L.A. compared to 1991. Still had my Sony A-33 in the car, but at=20 that time, there was nothing I could really listen to in stereo on=20 AM (religious and Spanish), except Radio Disney 710, now at 1110...=20 Meantime, in the Bay Area - all that's left is KDYA 1190 and=20 KDIA 1640 in Vallejo (both religious themed), and KVON 1440,=20 which has good stereo during its "GoldVine" simulcast on Saturday=20 night.=20 The AM Stereo is heavily promoted on Saturday nights, since teh rest of the schedule is "talk"... --Jay KVYN-KVON GoldVine Host/Producer **************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: phonebone To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM Stereo in the US? Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:10:46 -0800 >=20 >=20 > Well, if you are in the Sacramento CA area, check out KCTC-1320 with thei= r=20 > sparkling AM stereo big band & oldies format. They never advertise the f= act=20 > that they are in stereo, or mention it at all, but this may be because th= eir=20 > content is all beamed in from far away. It's a "Music Of Your Life" stat= ion=20 > with Chuck Southcutt, Gary Owens, Wink Martindale, Garry Marshall and a w= hole=20 > other gang of people.=20=20 >=20 > There's another AM station nearby, KVIN-920, that carries the same=20 > programming, but they are in mono. Nice sounding signal, anyway.=20=20 >=20 > Scott K6BLA > Stoctkon CA >=20 > > Message: 18 > > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:18:46 -0000 > > From: "Anthony" > > Subject: Best AM Stereo in the US? > > > > Gang: > > > > Thinking about a 'road trip', well, I just returned from Boston > > where I had the pleasure (and I do mean it was a pleasure) to hear > > WJIB in Stereo on my SRF-M100. Also went to LA, recently, and > > returned with plenty airchecks of KDIS/1110, from my SRF-A100 and WM- > > FX2, also one aircheck of KMRB/1430, Stereo with no pilot, and > > KFOX/1650, which was pilot only. KLAC, tho in Mono, was a pleasure > > to listen to nevertheless, with its Standards format. One can > > definitely spend some time on the AM band in LA. > > > > Looking for another place, with the one station in the US with the > > BEST sounding AMS around...Best frequency response, best FM-like > > sound...Music format, of course. Anywhere in the US is fine. > > > > -tony s. > > >=20 What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From tomray@wor710.com Fri Nov 12 09:54:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64402 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 17:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 17:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 17:54:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 17:54:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 17:54:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:54:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 931 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Tom Ray wrote: > >Production has been completing the conversion of the Christmas library to > stereo.....and it will be on in stereo this year. > > OK, Now it is time to have a "Real World" HD Radio test Comparing Apples to > Apples! During the Christmas Holiday programming, lets have Tom or Kerry to > record a song off of the air in HD Radio stereo with a high end HD Radio > tuner a few miles from the WOR Tower. Nice idea, and I can't speak for Kerry, but unless we're off the air, I'm nowhere near the radio station on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day. That is strictly a time for family, and I have better things to do with my kids than play radio. I may, however, be able to get the operators to record off the Kenwood we have in the rack here, which is fed from a car radio antenna mounted on the parapet on the 23rd floor here. TR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Nov 12 09:57:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34867 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 17:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 17:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 17:57:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 17:56:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 17:56:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:56:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 422 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > Oh yeah. Production has been completing the conversion of the > > Christmas library to stereo.....and it will be on in stereo this > > year. > > For the six people with an IBOC receiver, that is.... the other > 337,474 WOR listeners get over-processed 5 kHz mono. But Santa has no problem finding our transmitter site that way.... TR From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Fri Nov 12 09:57:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21428 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 17:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 17:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 17:57:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:57:05 -0800 Received: from 68.255.63.45 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:56:30 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:56:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2004 17:57:05.0813 (UTC) FILETIME=[05777C50:01C4C8E1] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.46 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.255.63.45] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Thanks Tom, I can receive both of them. I've been trying WOR every morning and all I get is a Spanish station (WAQI?). Paul Crane >From: "Tom Ray" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! >Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:49:24 -0000 > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" wrote: > > Is there anyone else broadcasting in IBOC stereo other than WOR (are >they > > the first?)? I have a JRC NRD-545 and want to see how well the DSP >handles > > the digital signal. > > > > >WBZ, Boston, and WGY, Schenectady. > >Tom Ray >WOR > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From tomray@wor710.com Fri Nov 12 09:59:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98082 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 17:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 17:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 17:59:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 17:59:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 17:59:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:59:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 604 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > > Now that the air chain is all in Stereo, perhaps Tom or Kerry can put a > C-QUAM generator on the back-up transmitter? Once upon a time, the "beast" > was on the air in Kahn Powerside. Not gonna happen, guys. We're starting a studio build out and have to do it in record time, and we'll be ready to start proofing the DA at our new transmitter facility by the end of January, so we have better things to do than fiddle with a 35 year old transmitter that is going to be sent to the dump by summer. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Nov 12 10:02:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57965 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 18:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 18:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 18:02:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 18:02:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 18:02:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:02:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 421 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" wrote: > Thanks Tom, I can receive both of them. I've been trying WOR every morning > and all I get is a Spanish station (WAQI?). I thinb that station is out of Cuba. I haven't been able to identify them, and they don't ID on top of the hour. I'm told that the propagation from the Caribbean right now is wonderful, so I'm guessing it's Cuba. TR From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Fri Nov 12 10:08:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53792 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 18:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 18:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.8) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 18:08:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:08:02 -0800 Received: from 68.255.63.45 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:07:06 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:07:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2004 18:08:02.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D007CC0:01C4C8E2] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.8 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.255.63.45] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane You're not going to put it on Ebay and have the winner haul it away? :^] Paul Crane >From: "Tom Ray" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! >Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:59:42 -0000 > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > wrote: > > > > > Now that the air chain is all in Stereo, perhaps Tom or Kerry can put a > > C-QUAM generator on the back-up transmitter? Once upon a time, the >"beast" > > was on the air in Kahn Powerside. > > >Not gonna happen, guys. We're starting a studio build out and have to >do it in record time, and we'll be ready to start proofing the DA at >our new transmitter facility by the end of January, so we have better >things to do than fiddle with a 35 year old transmitter that is going >to be sent to the dump by summer. > >Tom Ray >WOR > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Nov 12 10:51:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84647 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 18:51:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 18:51:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 18:51:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 18:51:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 18:51:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:51:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 182 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > You're not going to put it on Ebay and have the winner haul it away? :^] KLUV-FM here had a contest and gave away their old transmitter (can anybody say 100 kW PIRATE station!) From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 12 12:50:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91417 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 20:50:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 20:50:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 20:50:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 20:50:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 20:50:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:50:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041112174934.31501E5BC6@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4974 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.12.7 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM Stereo in the US? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > I agree - KCTC 1320 has very good stereo... > > Although I don't get around like most of the AM Stereo Gang, > from the AM Stereo stations I have heard, KRLA 1110 (now KDIS) > was one of the best! I always taped them on my Sony CFS-6000 > AM Stereo Boom Box, between 1989 and 1993, and was never > disappointed... > KLAC 570, when it was Country, was another AM stereo treat, > as was 1240 KNRY, Monterey, during its oldies days in the > mid-1980s... > > Closer to home (SF Bay Area), KFRC 610 was great when they had > Kahn AM Stereo, very good in the mid-1990s when they had > the C-QUAM. In 1993, I had a Marantz Car AM Stereo and though > it didn't have the greatest sound, the novelty was the signal > strength meter which showed the left and right channel activity > for the station I tune to. KFRC's seperation was very visable! > > These days, not much AM Stereo to be heard; wish I could've WOWO > WZZB, 1390 KHz in Seymour Indiana, and others back east, from what everyone says here. I did hear 66 WNBC via aircheck, and that, too, > was excellent stereo... > > In July 2001, there were just a handful of AM Stereo stations in > L.A. compared to 1991. Still had my Sony A-33 in the car, but at > that time, there was nothing I could really listen to in stereo on > AM (religious and Spanish), except Radio Disney 710, now at 1110... > > Meantime, in the Bay Area - all that's left is KDYA 1190 and > KDIA 1640 in Vallejo (both religious themed), and KVON 1440, > which has good stereo during its "GoldVine" simulcast on Saturday > night. > The AM Stereo is heavily promoted on Saturday nights, since teh > rest of the schedule is "talk"... > --Jay > KVYN-KVON GoldVine Host/Producer > **************************************** > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: phonebone > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM Stereo in the US? > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:10:46 -0800 > > > > > > > Well, if you are in the Sacramento CA area, check out KCTC-1320 with their > > sparkling AM stereo big band & oldies format. They never advertise the fact > > that they are in stereo, or mention it at all, but this may be because their > > content is all beamed in from far away. It's a "Music Of Your Life" station > > with Chuck Southcutt, Gary Owens, Wink Martindale, Garry Marshall and a whole > > other gang of people. > > > > There's another AM station nearby, KVIN-920, that carries the same > > programming, but they are in mono. Nice sounding signal, anyway. > > > > Scott K6BLA > > Stoctkon CA > > > > > Message: 18 > > > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:18:46 -0000 > > > From: "Anthony" > > > Subject: Best AM Stereo in the US? > > > > > > Gang: > > > > > > Thinking about a 'road trip', well, I just returned from Boston > > > where I had the pleasure (and I do mean it was a pleasure) to hear > > > WJIB in Stereo on my SRF-M100. Also went to LA, recently, and > > > returned with plenty airchecks of KDIS/1110, from my SRF-A100 and WM- > > > FX2, also one aircheck of KMRB/1430, Stereo with no pilot, and > > > KFOX/1650, which was pilot only. KLAC, tho in Mono, was a pleasure > > > to listen to nevertheless, with its Standards format. One can > > > definitely spend some time on the AM band in LA. > > > > > > Looking for another place, with the one station in the US with the > > > BEST sounding AMS around...Best frequency response, best FM-like > > > sound...Music format, of course. Anywhere in the US is fine. > > > > > > -tony s. > > > > > > > > > What's the GoldVine about? > < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/defau lt.asp?SRC=lycos10 Hi Gang Yes kfrc am 610 sounded great here in the Sacramento ca area. And they still do but in mono for now. And i hope not for much longer. I am buying a maching exciter for there transmitter . Thay have a Harris Gates 5 and i am buying a Harris AMS G1 AM STEREO exciter for it. I don't think thay like there sister station KCBS AM 740 thay are IBOC now and i can here the noise all the way up here east Sacrameto CA about a 100 miles from there transmitter.The best for me local Sacramento Ca area is KCTC AM STEREO 1320 and use to be KGNR AM 1320. But back in the good old day of am stereo KHWY AM STEREO 1030 then they turn to 10Q rock station and then went dark for ever. Ok hears my local list of them late 80's early 90's KSFO AM 540 SF KFRC AM 610 SF KTRB AM 860 Modedsto CA KHWY AM 1030 Folsom Ca KRAK AM 1140 Sac Ca KGNR AM 1320 Sac Ca, All together i had 7 ams station now i have 2 KCTC AM 1320 and KCBC AM 770. Thanks guy that felt good to mention those agan. Jim Smith Penryn Ca From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Nov 12 12:59:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40941 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 20:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 20:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 20:59:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 20:59:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 20:59:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:59:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 296 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "n1zzn" X-Originating-IP: 24.218.84.129 Subject: Stereo pilot on 990 WALE in RI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Unless I've got some weird interference in the house, it appears that 990 WALE in Greenville, RI (Providence) has a stereo pilot on. Their signal isn't very good here, so I can't tell if there's separation. The quality of the audio does seem to be very poor though. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Nov 12 13:38:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40965 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 21:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 21:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 21:38:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 21:38:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 21:38:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:38:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 528 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Stereo pilot from heterodyning? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Something I've wondered - perhap some people know. If you have fairly decent signal on each adjacent, you will have two 10 kHz pilots heterodyning into the audio of the station you are tuned to. But if those two adjacent stations were not precisely on frequency, it is possible that the two 10 kHz pilots would mix and produce a fake stereo indication? I see this a lot at night and have always wondered if I am momentarily getting a distant AM stereo, or whether it is a false positive caused by heterodyning pilots. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Nov 12 13:51:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 34802 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 21:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 21:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 21:51:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 21:50:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 21:50:51 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66558 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 18:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 18:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 18:44:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 18:43:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 18:43:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:43:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 318 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.116 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Audio Processing Was: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Nov 2004 21:50:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: =snip= > station. On the other hand, you don't want to drive them off with listener > fatigue. Of course, this all gets thrown out the window in a loudness war! > LOL Isn't IBOC the ultimate in a loudness war? :D Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Nov 12 13:52:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70616 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 21:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 21:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 21:52:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 21:52:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 21:52:29 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52036 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 20:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 20:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 20:12:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 20:12:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 20:12:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:12:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041112174934.31501E5BC6@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3650 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.116 Subject: Re: Best AM Stereo in the US? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Nov 2004 21:52:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > I agree - KCTC 1320 has very good stereo... I hope to be able to record it in February. I do remember when it was KGTR "way back when"... > Although I don't get around like most of the AM Stereo Gang, Neither do I- Most of my listening has been with airchecks in recent years- Gone are the days when I could tune in KNBR, KOMO, KBOI, KFI, KRAK, KFRE, KSL, KEX- All in beautiful AM stereo... (Two Kahns, one Harris and the rest Motorola- Not bad.) Most of what travel I do get is along the West Coast (as well as DX), plus the occasional trip to Flprida. I really haven't had much time bandscanning in stopover airports, so... And of course, this is what gets me- I do feel like I'm in another country, here-- I can't experience much of anything west of the Rockies, and the majority here ARE East-Coasters. Not too many of us West-Coasters in this group. :( But that seems to be moot, anyway- AMS is disappearing faster over here than it is in, say, the greater NYC metro area. What have we to listen to? > from the AM Stereo stations I have heard, KRLA 1110 (now KDIS) > was one of the best! I always taped them on my Sony CFS-6000 > AM Stereo Boom Box, between 1989 and 1993, and was never > disappointed... They are good. KABC 790 seems to be doing good with what little stereo they use. Otherwise, good, clear sound. > Closer to home (SF Bay Area), KFRC 610 was great when they had > Kahn AM Stereo, very good in the mid-1990s when they had Yes, they were. Very solid sound in ISB, and EXCELLENT separation. They did effectively shoot themselves in their feet when they dumped the hot-AC format. I'm amazed the Good Doctor stayed with them as long as he did after the change. He never seemed comfortable in those last few years at "Magic 61". > These days, not much AM Stereo to be heard; wish I could've WOWO > WZZB, 1390 KHz in Seymour Indiana, and others back east, from what everyone says here. I did hear 66 WNBC via aircheck, and that, too, > was excellent stereo... We need to celebrate those stations we still do have- The ones that have stayed in stereo and provided stereo content, regardless of format- The ones who, when their machines needed repair, didn't scrap AMS, but either had them repaired or bought NEW AMS equipment. Broadcasting in true AM stereo is a gift we should treasure, not take for granted. It's a labor of love on the broadcaster's side, and a treasure for the listener. > In July 2001, there were just a handful of AM Stereo stations in > L.A. compared to 1991. Still had my Sony A-33 in the car, but at > that time, there was nothing I could really listen to in stereo on > AM (religious and Spanish), except Radio Disney 710, now at 1110... (Or Korean, for that matter- KFOX 1650...) > Meantime, in the Bay Area - all that's left is KDYA 1190 and > KDIA 1640 in Vallejo (both religious themed), and KVON 1440, > which has good stereo during its "GoldVine" simulcast on Saturday > night. I haven't heard ANY stereo content from 'DIA in a long time- Not since their days of classic-era R&B & Gospel. (I can't get 'DYA up here, and 'DIA just barely- and they used to just BOOM up here, even in the day, sometimes.) > The AM Stereo is heavily promoted on Saturday nights, since teh > rest of the schedule is "talk"... > --Jay > KVYN-KVON GoldVine Host/Producer If I get a chance to be down that way on a Saturday night, I'll try to make an effort to record your show that night. (I don't know if you'll come in well at all when I'm in Sacto in late February, so...) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 12 14:00:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19679 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 22:00:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 22:00:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 22:00:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 21:59:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2004 21:59:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:59:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 423 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.10 Subject: Re: Stereo pilot from heterodyning? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > But if those two adjacent stations were not precisely on frequency, > it is possible that the two 10 kHz pilots would mix and produce a > fake stereo indication? AM Stereo pilot tone "falsing" can only occur from co-channel stations. Adjacent carriers have no effect, other than perhaps to cause a tremolo-like effect on the 10 kHz whistle, if your receiver does not have a notch filter to eliminate the whistle. From bradleyj2@aol.com Fri Nov 12 14:04:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27018 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 22:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 22:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 22:04:38 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id r.89.1990556a (16035); Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:04:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d13.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.129]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v103.7) with ESMTP id MAILINID102-3ea3419533683c; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:04:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:04:24 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: k6BLABBER@comcast.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5C28DB12.7096DC94.022E759B@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 216.108.210.98 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.36 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM Stereo in the US? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 In a message dated 11/12/2004 12:49:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Jay Arnold" writes: > *SNIP* >These days, not much AM Stereo to be heard; wish I could've WOWO >WZZB, 1390 KHz in Seymour Indiana, and others back east, from what everyone says here. I did hear 66 WNBC via aircheck, and that, too, >was excellent stereo... > I Still Have My Aircheck of WZZB made off of a Carver tx-11a on my website (10mb file). - Brad Jackson - Afternoon Drive/Imaging Director - WKMX-FM Dothan, AL - http://www.wkmx.com From k6BLABBER@comcast.net Fri Nov 12 15:53:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: phonebone@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21913 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 23:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2004 23:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.198.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 23:53:45 -0000 Received: from linux (c-67-181-48-4.client.comcast.net[67.181.48.4]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004111223202101500dtseae>; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:20:21 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:19:17 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <1100295001.622.73145.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1100295001.622.73145.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200411121519.17962.phonebone@comcast.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.198.39 X-eGroups-From: phonebone From: phonebone Reply-To: phonebone@comcast.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM stereo? ...Digest Number 1380 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153105479 X-Yahoo-Profile: K6BLAbber There is a very strong AM-stereo signal locally here around my area in=20 Stockton, on 770 KHz. It seems to be very religious Christian talk all day= =20 and no music, then at night they seem to fade away. Do you know what they= =20 are? I'll check radio-locator dotcom later.=20=20 Yes, it is a royal shame that KFRC-610 quit their stereo signal. With thei= r=20 oldies format, it would be great! Recently KNX-1070 in LA turned off their= =20 stereo too, but they are news, talk and old radio shows. Still, it is a bi= g=20 shame.=20=20 Now, one of the last holdouts in the bay area, KABL-960 moved to FM, and th= e=20 new people on 960 are Air America, no stereo, all talk. ARGH!!=20=20 I think there is still a station in San Diego (Tijuana) with an X call lett= er=20 license that is still AM stereo, playing big band oldies.=20=20 I went to a lot of trouble to equip five vehicles I drive with AM-stereo=20 capable radios (Delco, Blaupunkt and one Chrysler), and while I WAS getting= =20 good bang for the buck, it's all fading out now. Rats!=20=20 Scott=20=20=20 On Friday 12 November 2004 09:49, you wrote: > I agree - KCTC 1320 has very good stereo... > From bradleyj2@aol.com Fri Nov 12 16:31:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76946 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 00:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 00:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m15.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.205) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 00:31:54 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id r.82.1b05512f (15900); Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:31:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d22.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.163]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v103.7) with ESMTP id MAILINID93-3e1c419555ee3e7; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:31:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:31:42 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: k6BLABBER@comcast.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6F766699.066A8F0F.022E759B@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 216.108.210.98 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.138.205 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM Stereo in the US? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 But of course it would help if I gave the url :-) That's what happens when playing online while at work. http://iw1.indyweb.net/~bjackson In a message dated 11/12/2004 5:04:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, bradleyj2@aol.com writes: > >In a message dated 11/12/2004 12:49:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Jay Arnold" writes: > >> >*SNIP* > >>These days, not much AM Stereo to be heard; wish I could've WOWO >>WZZB, 1390 KHz in Seymour Indiana, and others back east, from what everyone says here. I did hear 66 WNBC via aircheck, and that, too, >>was excellent stereo... >> > > >I Still Have My Aircheck of WZZB made off of a Carver tx-11a on my website (10mb file). > >- Brad Jackson >- Afternoon Drive/Imaging Director >- WKMX-FM Dothan, AL >- http://www.wkmx.com > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Nov 12 17:37:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51138 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 01:37:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 01:37:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 01:37:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 01:37:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 01:37:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:37:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200411121519.17962.phonebone@comcast.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 628 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.245.202.39 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM stereo? ...Digest Number 1380 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, phonebone wrote: >Recently KNX-1070 in LA turned off their > stereo too, but they are news, talk and old radio shows. The old radio shows are gone. KNX has been threatening to go IBOC for some time, but haven't made any audible moves in that direction, apparently content to let KFI be the guinea pig. KNX was still full bandwidth mono as of this morning. > I think there is still a station in San Diego (Tijuana) with an X call letter > license that is still AM stereo, playing big band oldies. If you refer to AM 540, it's now rock and roll oldies in mono. From tomray@wor710.com Fri Nov 12 17:50:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4992 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 01:50:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 01:50:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 01:50:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 01:50:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 01:50:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:50:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 279 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" wrote: > You're not going to put it on Ebay and have the winner haul it away? :^] > > Paul Crane Oh...it's not that easy. We first need to get former staff members to sign it....THEN, we can haul it away! TR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Nov 12 17:54:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20621 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 01:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 01:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 01:54:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 01:54:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 01:54:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:53:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1129 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Stereo pilot from heterodyning? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > Something I've wondered - perhap some people know. If you have > fairly decent signal on each adjacent, you will have two 10 kHz > pilots heterodyning into the audio of the station you are tuned to. > But if those two adjacent stations were not precisely on frequency, > it is possible that the two 10 kHz pilots would mix and produce a > fake stereo indication? I see this a lot at night and have always > wondered if I am momentarily getting a distant AM stereo, or whether > it is a false positive caused by heterodyning pilots. Bruce: I think it's a product of heterodyning. I used to live near a transmitter that was on 1360. Station I worked for was on 910. I could never listen to the 910 station at home in stereo....the stereo was distorted with a 5kHz whine and there was no pilot indication. Turns out that 1360-910 is 450kHz....and the IF in the radio was 455kHz. I've also seen a false stereo indication and assume it is a heterodyning effect rather than the radio attempting to lock on a stereo signal on skywave. TR From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Nov 12 17:55:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45831 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 01:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 01:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52409.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.117) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 01:55:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 26020 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Nov 2004 01:55:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=e+lEuV42hRv5ma2pWRC+/Arf7CT9phqE7gSG/XGlTjpOCX83MH3EaVYGusa6EP1Q4KQVJk0egh5rEWV+/+pBkBKbj7rXvQYNbpcZf/nGp6WRfGznhuYYdxFUMDHgnEUdR8pXx/mg85l8eOcDVJo+oMwo/vW5Cxhy0Lwpa6tPaFk= ; Message-ID: <20041113015525.26016.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.94] by web52409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:55:25 PST Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:55:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.117 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > Not gonna happen, guys. We're starting a studio > build out and have to > do it in record time, and we'll be ready to start > proofing the DA at > our new transmitter facility by the end of January, > so we have better > things to do than fiddle with a 35 year old > transmitter that is going > to be sent to the dump by summer. > Tom Ray > WOR I thought Neal wanted it.... ]:) Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Nov 12 18:14:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95969 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 02:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 02:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 02:14:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 02:14:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 02:14:51 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9875 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 01:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 01:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 01:54:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 01:54:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 01:54:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:54:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200411121519.17962.phonebone@comcast.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 484 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.116 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM stereo? ...Digest Number 1380 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Nov 2004 02:14:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, phonebone wrote: > There is a very strong AM-stereo signal locally here around my area in > Stockton, on 770 KHz. It seems to be very religious Christian talk all day > and no music, then at night they seem to fade away. Do you know what they > are? I'll check radio-locator dotcom later. KCBC, Riverbank, CA, serving the SF bay area. I'm not into religious programming, so I don't usually bother. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Nov 12 18:17:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6308 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 02:17:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 02:17:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 02:17:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:17:01 -0800 Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 02:16:21 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:16:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2004 02:17:01.0754 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC70D9A0:01C4C926] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.83 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: >we have better things to do than fiddle with a 35 year old transmitter that is going to be sent to the dump by summer. I thought Neal was going to turn it into the ulimate 80 Meter "boat anchor" rig. Anyway, I like my idea of sending Kerry on a little vacation then when he comes home, he will find the Beast in his garage with the tubes lit up! LOL Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 12 18:29:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48025 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 02:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 02:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 02:29:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 02:29:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 02:29:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 02:29:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1361 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.10 Subject: Re: Stereo pilot from heterodyning? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I think it's a product of heterodyning. I used to live near a > transmitter that was on 1360. Station I worked for was on 910. I > could never listen to the 910 station at home in stereo....the > stereo was distorted with a 5kHz whine and there was no pilot > indication. > Turns out that 1360-910 is 450kHz....and the IF in the radio was > 455kHz. I've also seen a false stereo indication and assume it is > a heterodyning effect rather than the radio attempting to lock on a > stereo signal on skywave. Some radios have poor IF rejection on AM, and it causes exactly this kind of problem. However, this problem can be nearly eliminated by using a tuned loop antenna, such as a Select-A-Tenna or Terk AM Advantage. The tuned loop, when properly adjusted, acts as a "poor man's" tuned-RF front end, and helps improve IF rejection. On the other hand, when adjusted to maximize the signal strength of the unwanted signal, a tuned loop can also allow you to use a receiver's IF leakage to receive a signal outside of its normal tuning range. For example, my MCS-3050 AM Stereo tuner only goes up to 1620 kHz, but if I tune it to 780 kHz and adjust my Terk loop antenna in a certain manner, I can pick up the IF image of 1680 WTTM, in full Stereo! The IF is 450 kHz... 1680 - (2 x 450) = 780 kHz. This trick also works on a Realistic TM-152. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Nov 12 19:13:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16301 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 03:13:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 03:13:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 03:13:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:13:00 -0800 Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 03:12:37 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:12:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2004 03:13:00.0542 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE6F39E0:01C4C92E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.81 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Pirate Radio Was: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Bruce Carter wrote: > KLUV-FM here had a contest and gave away their old transmitter (can anybody say 100 kW PIRATE station!) Just HOW would you explain to the electric company WHY you want a 480 Volt 3 Phase drop to your living room? If I can come up with a real good answer, *I* might drive up to NYC and get the 317C Beast! or....buy me a boat with a BIG power plant and put "AM Stereo 1710 The BEAST" on the air with a "Groovin' Oldies" format broadcasting live from International Waters. OR...give WTTM some competition with a Punjabi format. LOL The guys at the FCC monitoring posts would be saying "What the f*ck is THAT on 1710?!?!" LOL How is this for a Liner: "Charming snakes with 50,000 watss of power, This is Stereo 1710 The BEAST!" So, I am a bit wierd... Anyway, if you are in the Tampa area tonight, you can hear Punjabi music in Stereo on AM 1620, if you happen to be on US 301 between CR 579 and Fowler Ave! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Nov 12 19:29:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94133 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 03:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 03:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 03:29:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 03:29:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 03:29:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 03:29:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 206 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.253.87.113 Subject: Re: Stereo pilot from heterodyning? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I thought so --- come to think of it I haven't seen a false since installing a notch filter. Incidentally, it is now possible to make a stable notch filter, easily tuned, and very high Q with op amps. From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Nov 12 19:34:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88924 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 03:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 03:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 03:34:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 03:34:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 03:34:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 03:34:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 379 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.253.87.113 Subject: Re: Stereo pilot from heterodyning? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Interesting - I thought so. I haven't fired up my TM-152 at home since summer swimming season was over - occasionally I have to use it to DX a different Radio Disney outlet for my daughter while we are out at the pool. Some Radio Disney affiliates are in stereo, some aren't, but I keep getting false indications and it is hard to tell until they play a good stereo song. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Nov 12 19:44:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16336 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 03:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 03:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 03:44:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:44:00 -0800 Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 03:43:54 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:43:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2004 03:44:00.0542 (UTC) FILETIME=[0314B3E0:01C4C933] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.78 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Audio Processing Was: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > Isn't IBOC the ultimate in a loudness war? :D The modulation density and levels required for an analog loudness war would interfere with the digital component of the signal to the point of making the HD Radio recievers switch to analog. On the other hand, by reducing the audio bandwidth to 5KC, you can increase both the modulation density and level without over-modulation and wasting power broadcasting high frequencies Kenwood and Pioneer car stereos can't hear anyway. If you want to WIN a loudness war, just put a modulator tube melting Optimod 9000 with the Disco Mod in the air chain. Orban should have an "Optimod 9000" setting on the 9200. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From Bossmsx@aol.com Sat Nov 13 06:12:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52783 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 14:12:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 14:12:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 14:12:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 14:12:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 14:12:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:12:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 499 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: SRF-42 and AMAX Certification. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Time for a dumb question: What exactly does the Sony SRF-42 Walkman have that qualifies it for AMAX Certification?? I know there are certain criteria a radio must have to make it "AMAX Certified" (ie noise blanking? not sure, also a certain frequency response, which is different with home and portables.....what is it for the SRF-42 re: AMAX?, and it is also supposed to have certain chips, which I don't think the '42 has, but they 'get around' it somehow). Just curious. Tony S/Miami. From brucec@mindspring.com Sat Nov 13 06:28:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51608 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 14:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 14:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 14:28:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 14:28:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 14:28:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:28:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 136 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.226.30.206 Subject: Re: SRF-42 and AMAX Certification. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I don't think it is AMAX certified. One thing it has to have is a 10 kHz hetereodyne filter, and I didn't see one on the schematic. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Nov 13 10:14:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3520 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 18:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 18:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 18:14:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 18:14:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 18:14:30 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40566 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 07:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 07:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 07:18:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 07:18:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 07:18:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:18:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1235 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: how to make AM Stereo cheap wideband radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Nov 2004 18:14:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 For this quick temporary project, to get AM Stereo I could probably pull the chip out of a currently non-functional SRF-42. On Sunday or Monday I would like to record an aircheck of KDIS with as wideband of a radio as possible - the SRF-42 and (from what I've heard about it's audio response on AM) Carver TX-11b aren't wideband enough. I basically want to record whatever the transmitter is putting out without much if any filtering on the receiving end. I'm thinking basically a crystal set (or slightly better) with an AM Stereo functionality added. I will be fairly close to the station sometime this weekend - on Sunday midday I might be 10 miles away (give or take a few) and on Monday evening I would probably be within a half mile of KDIS's transmitter (more specifically, I could probably leave the radio and recorder active in the vicinity of the Old Spaghetti Factory in Duarte.) As for selectivity (or lack thereof) - from what I understand, the Mary Kate & Ashley radio has a 6-element 4kHz wide IF filer in it (compared to what I want to do with this one). With the setup I'm looking for I want my radio's filtering, if any, to be no more than 3dB down at +/-20kHz from the carrier. Does anyone have any suggestions? From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 13 13:04:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86127 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 21:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 21:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 21:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@69.105.82.132 with login) by smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 21:04:15 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c4c9c4$5634f260$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:04:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.80 From: Subject: Scott Todd X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Has any one herd from Scott Todd? Thanks Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck@aol.com Sat Nov 13 13:52:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43465 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 21:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 21:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 21:52:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 21:52:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 21:52:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:52:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1150 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.209.132.12 Subject: Re: how to make AM Stereo cheap wideband radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 You write: >I basically want to record whatever the transmitter is putting out >without much if any filtering on the receiving end. I'm thinking >basically a crystal set (or slightly better) with an AM Stereo >functionality added. You will not be able to add any AM stereo decoder chip to a crystal radio. I understand your motive, however the decoder needs an intermediate frequency (I.F) reference (typically 1/8 the decoder's running oscillator frequency). Obviously a crystal radio does not offer this intermediate frequency. A crystal diode detects the transmitted envelope of the actual AM station frequency. Incidentally, where I live, I can receive WJR from a MC13028 decoder chip, by attaching a one feet piece of wire to the I.F input pin four. Obviously it is not received in stereo, though I can hear WJR's actual full bandwidth audio response without any filtering. This is possible, as the MC13028 uses an envelope detector that is untuned, and will receive any strong AM signal on its input pin using a medium length piece of wire. 73, Jeff Deck For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit http://meduci.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Nov 13 14:57:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28890 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 22:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 22:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 22:57:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 22:57:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 22:57:35 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70517 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 20:09:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 20:09:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 20:09:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 20:09:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 20:09:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:09:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 721 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.250 Subject: Re: SRF-42 and AMAX Certification. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Nov 2004 22:57:34 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > I don't think it is AMAX certified. One thing it has to have is a > 10 kHz hetereodyne filter, and I didn't see one on the schematic. Actually, it is certified, although under special provisions made just for it by whomever manages the AMAX certification. (A requirement in order to bear the AMAX logo.) The SRF-42 is wide to 7.5kHz and has a noise blanker. This, essentially, has allowed the '42 to be certified as AMAX compliant. At present, as far as I know, there is only ONE AMAX-compliant AM receiver still on the market- The Fanfare FT-100 AMS receiver. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (I still need a good, clean AMAX logo for web usage.) From k6BLABBER@comcast.net Sat Nov 13 15:02:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: phonebone@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46874 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 23:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 23:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.202.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 23:02:39 -0000 Received: from linux (c-67-181-48-4.client.comcast.net[67.181.48.4]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004111323021901200ct5r5e>; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 23:02:19 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 15:01:11 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <1100377293.2261.44870.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1100377293.2261.44870.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200411131500.25178.phonebone@comcast.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.56 X-eGroups-From: phonebone From: phonebone Reply-To: phonebone@comcast.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1381 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153105479 X-Yahoo-Profile: K6BLAbber On Saturday 13 November 2004 12:21,=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, phonebone > > wrote: > > Recently KNX-1070 in LA turned off their > > stereo too, but they are news, talk and old radio shows. > > The old radio shows are gone. KNX has been threatening to go > IBOC for some time, but haven't made any audible moves in that > direction, apparently content to let KFI be the guinea pig. KNX > was still full bandwidth mono as of this morning. > > > I think there is still a station in San Diego (Tijuana) with an X > > > call letter license that is still AM stereo, playing big band oldies. > > If you refer to AM 540, it's now rock and roll oldies in mono. That was probably them. Rats, that must have just happened in the last yea= r=20 or so. This thing is really "circling the drain!" :(=20=20 > From: "Amy Mousie" >=20 > >phonebone wrote: > > > > There is a very strong AM-stereo signal locally here around my area > > in Stockton, on 770 KHz. It seems to be very religious Christian talk > > all day and no music, then at night they seem to fade away. Do you kno= w > > what they are? I'll check radio-locator dotcom later. > > KCBC, Riverbank, CA, serving the SF bay area. > > I'm not into religious programming, so I don't usually bother. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Thanks, Amy. Their signal does strange things at night. Oh well, I still= =20 enjoy very limited AM stereo in my travels, while it lasts.=20=20 Thanks, everyone.... Scott K6BLA From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 13 15:15:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73163 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 23:15:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 23:15:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 23:15:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 23:15:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 23:15:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 23:15:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1585 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.4 Subject: Re: SRF-42 and AMAX Certification. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The SRF-42 is wide to 7.5kHz and has a noise blanker. This, > essentially, has allowed the '42 to be certified as AMAX compliant. Here are the actual AMAX requirements: For all radios: * Expanded Band tuning up to 1700 kHz * Variable bandwidth, either manually selectable or automatically controlled, with at least two settings (i.e. "Narrow" and "Wide") * NRSC de-emphasis * Attenuation of at least -20 dB at 10 kHz, to reduce adjacent carrier whistles For home tuners & car radios: * Audio response of at least 50 - 7500 Hz, +1.5/-3 dB * Total harmonic distortion of 2.0% or less * Noise blanking feature * Connection for external antenna For portable radios: * Audio response of at least 50 - 6500 Hz, +1.5/-3 dB * Total harmonic distortion of 5.0% or less Mono receivers which meet these specifications are qualified to use an "AMAX" logo; receivers with AM Stereo may use an "AMAX Stereo" logo. It appears that the requirements for portable radios were relaxed in order to allow the Sony SRF-42 to gain AMAX certification, even with its 6 kHz ceramic filter and lack of cosine correction for C-Quam Stereo reception (which creates the higher distortion figure). The SRF-42 also does not feature any impulse noise blanking -- nor does the GE Superadio III, which was initially marketed with the AMAX logo but now is only described on the box as having "AM Accent" -- perhaps that's what one of GE's marketing people thought AMAX stands for? (It actually stands for "AM radio at its MAXimum potential", and is pronounced "Ay-Max", not as individual letters.) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 13 15:20:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5980 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 23:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 23:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 23:20:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 23:20:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 23:20:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 23:19:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1011 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.4 Subject: Re: how to make AM Stereo cheap wideband radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Incidentally, where I live, I can receive WJR from a MC13028 > decoder chip, by attaching a one feet piece of wire to the I.F > input pin four. Obviously it is not received in stereo, though I > can hear WJR's actual full bandwidth audio response without any > filtering. This is possible, as the MC13028 uses an envelope > detector that is untuned, and will receive any strong AM signal on > its input pin using a medium length piece of wire. If WJR was broadcasting on 450 kHz, you would be able to receive them on the MC13028 by itself in full Stereo. An "Alfredo Lite" or another suitable low-power AM Stereo transmitter operating on 450 kHz would also allow a C-Quam decoder to be used "barefoot" in this manner. When I use my MC13028 "barefoot", it picks up 710 WOR during the daytime, and a mix of WOR and several shortwave stations at night. An untuned crystal radio provides the same results, but requires a much larger antenna. The MC13028 can pick up WOR with no antenna at all! From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Nov 13 17:49:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26052 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2004 01:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2004 01:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2004 01:49:57 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.22.104]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:49:54 -0700 Message-ID: <006801c4c9ec$9672fe80$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <000801c4c9c4$5634f260$c188fea9@jimsmith> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:52:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2004 01:49:55.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D7B92B0:01C4C9EC] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Scott Todd X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude still around; very little time for the net; wife easily gets p***** if I spend too much time with email, let alone the web, even though she usually spends at least as much time watching TV a week as I do here. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:04 PM Subject: {AMSF} Scott Todd > > Hi Gang Has any one herd from Scott Todd? Thanks Jim Smith > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Nov 13 18:30:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36181 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2004 02:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2004 02:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14225.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.109) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2004 02:30:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 7555 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2004 02:30:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=YHOKW2qdrSdKgt5Dr2j1lJJaLzBFAORV6Bewqwhwk3MO2uo2MNGA2Vzs83lZPxbZeJ2gbckF9xYzWRrxVJoGT5wwGb3JbpjDjBNnOVORmVE6bOtbXx/MouEMghEDc09XNlQFqefYb8C4Ut/uQo0Ck7VA0IMcjl9FPUU5XwTgI50= ; Message-ID: <20041114023019.7550.qmail@web14225.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.0.194.48] by web14225.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:30:19 PST Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:30:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.171.109 From: "John P." Subject: AMAX spec? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio wrote: "What exactly does the Sony SRF-42 Walkman have that qualifies it for AMAX Certification?? I know there are certain criteria a radio must have to make it "AMAX Certified" If memory serves me, home/auto units had to have a minimum frequency response of 7.5 KHz and an AM noise blanker, while portables got off cheaper with 6KHz minimum frequency response, and they might not had been required to have the noise blanker. The 1990's 5 band-EQ Chrysler AMS radios and Delco UX-1 AMS units, in addition to the current superb Fanfare FTA-100 tuner, easily meet the AMAX stereo specs. The current production GE Superadio III has the wide frequency response for AMAX, but no noise blanker (nor stereo) - athough stereo wasn't a requirement to be plain old AMAX, only the AMAX Stereo IIRC. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From tomray@wor710.com Sat Nov 13 19:03:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76248 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2004 03:03:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2004 03:03:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2004 03:03:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2004 03:03:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2004 03:03:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 03:03:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 331 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Tom Ray wrote: > > Anyway, I like my idea of sending Kerry on a little vacation then when he > comes home, he will find the Beast in his garage with the tubes lit up! LOL And the electric meter spinning so fast it will create a breeze.... TR From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Nov 13 20:08:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 57078 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2004 04:08:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2004 04:08:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2004 04:08:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2004 04:08:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2004 04:08:27 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20850 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 23:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2004 23:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 23:10:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 23:10:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2004 23:10:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 23:10:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2537 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: how to make AM Stereo cheap wideband radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Nov 2004 04:08:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 In that case, since a crystal set won't work, and putting a wire up to the chip only gets me mono, what would be a good way to construct something from scratch based on the chip in the SRF-42? I don't need much sensitivity, because if I use it this coming Monday evening, I will be about 1/4 mile north of KDIS's transmitter, if not closer. Also I want it to be as wideband as possible - for example no filtering within 15 kHz or 20 kHz on the receiving end, or at the most, -3dB at 20kHz. Also in this case my mp3 recorder might be the limitation - it only goes up to 18kHz frequency response when the sample rate is set at 48kHz and the bitrate at 192kbps. I could probably convince my brother (who will also be along) to bring his laptop computer and I could probably record an aircheck straight onto that at 48kHz, 16 bit stereo. The main things I want are super wideband audio - no rolloff on the receiver end to about 20kHz, and slow rolloff from there. Stereo separation is also a requirement. I should mention that there is a 50kW station about 20 miles away or so on 1070 (KNX) and a 44kW station on 1150 (KXTA) about 5-10 miles away, but I will be so close to 1110 KDIS that I hope not to be able to get those stations on this wideband radio. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wrote: > > You write: > > >I basically want to record whatever the transmitter is putting out > >without much if any filtering on the receiving end. I'm thinking > >basically a crystal set (or slightly better) with an AM Stereo > >functionality added. > > You will not be able to add any AM stereo decoder chip to a > crystal radio. I understand your motive, however the decoder > needs an intermediate frequency (I.F) reference (typically 1/8 the > decoder's running oscillator frequency). Obviously a crystal radio > does not offer this intermediate frequency. A crystal diode detects > the transmitted envelope of the actual AM station frequency. > > Incidentally, where I live, I can receive WJR from a MC13028 > decoder chip, by attaching a one feet piece of wire to the I.F > input pin four. Obviously it is not received in stereo, though I > can hear WJR's actual full bandwidth audio response without any > filtering. This is possible, as the MC13028 uses an envelope > detector that is untuned, and will receive any strong AM signal on > its input pin using a medium length piece of wire. > > 73, > Jeff Deck > For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit > http://meduci.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 13 20:14:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71452 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2004 04:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2004 04:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2004 04:14:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2004 04:14:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2004 04:14:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 04:14:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 293 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.4 Subject: Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > And the electric meter spinning so fast it will create a breeze.... > > TR On the upside, he can turn off his furnace, because the Continental will keep his home nice and toasty all winter long. And on the 4th of July, he can hook up a Kahn Power-Side box and get free fireworks! :-) From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Nov 14 04:32:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55181 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2004 12:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2004 12:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2004 12:32:19 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAECWPsh011424 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 07:32:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <41974FD8.9080507@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 07:30:16 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK Kevin That got me a giggle..... However.. You Forgot...It will require at least 2000 miles of 3 phase feeder cable... I heard he might be a member of the EAA besides the SBE.. His Project for next summer will be to add wings and landing gear to the transmitter. The Tubes are the Engines they give off enough heat.. Then he can Fly down toFlorida on it next winter. after all he could call its Flight. Contentinal 317C Kevin T. wrote: > > >>And the electric meter spinning so fast it will create a breeze.... >> >>TR >> >> > >On the upside, he can turn off his furnace, because the Continental >will keep his home nice and toasty all winter long. > >And on the 4th of July, he can hook up a Kahn Power-Side box and get >free fireworks! :-) > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck@aol.com Sun Nov 14 04:51:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38860 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2004 12:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2004 12:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2004 12:51:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2004 12:51:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2004 12:51:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:51:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 933 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.209.132.12 Subject: Re: how to make AM Stereo cheap wideband radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 You write: >In that case, since a crystal set won't work, and putting a wire up >to the chip only gets me mono, what would be a good way to construct >something from scratch based on the chip in the SRF-42? I don't >need much sensitivity, because if I use it this coming Monday >evening, I will be about 1/4 mile north of KDIS's transmitter, if >not closer. >Also I want it to be as wideband as possible - for example no >filtering within 15 kHz or 20 kHz on the receiving end, or at the >most, -3dB at 20kHz. You will need some type of converter stage (mixer, oscillator) to get the KDIS frequency down to the I.F expected by the AM stereo decoder chip. There is loss in that stage, so you may need another amplifier stage. It depends on the field intensity of the signal, and the input level presented to the AM stereo decoder chip. 73, Jeff Deck For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit http://meduci.com From brucec@mindspring.com Sun Nov 14 06:51:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78060 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2004 14:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2004 14:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2004 14:51:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2004 14:51:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2004 14:51:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:51:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3091 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.226.36.128 Subject: Re: how to make AM Stereo cheap wideband radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > As for selectivity (or lack thereof) - from what I understand, the > Mary Kate & Ashley radio has a 6-element 4kHz wide IF filer in it > (compared to what I want to do with this one). It did ONLY after I put a really good ceramic filter in it from an old wireless mouse! They put a fairly good ceramic filter in there to begin with, one that would not make the radio "wideband" in the sense you are talking about, but not really selective either. I modified the thing because my daughter takes it to Lubbock, 330 miles from the Radio Disney in Dallas. I also put a 7 inch ferrite rod into it - now it is a DX machine and she has no trouble at all getting the station when we go there. It is a 455 kHz IF, and therefore not suitable for add-on AM stereo adapters, although my father's car has an AM stereo section and it gets KMKI's stereo without any problems - except a lot of noise under power lines and such. But over most of the town the reception is weak, but in stereo. There is a little crosstalk from a 630 somewhere, but that is to be expected from a broadband radio. 330 mile stereo on AM - daytime - lets see IBOC beat THAT! Now - as to your broadband radio. The widest I have seen is the "Bratz" product which is a combination radio, alarm clock, and lamp. It is a bit clumsy to take on a road trip, but it does have +/- 40 kHz bandwidth. It should be simple to take a Chris Cuff adapter and patch it in instead of the single, cheap, wideband ceramic filter. You will find the TA2003 radio IC on the underside of the board, near the tuning wheel. Next to it are connections for the two ceramic filters, one AM, one FM. The FM is outboard if I recall. They share a return pin- which happens to be power I believe, so don't use that to ground the Chris Cuff adapter! That Bratz thing is expensive - about $50, you are paying for the toy brand name - real pictures of Jaci Valasquez and the other girls (I forget who they are) would be cheaper to scan and put on things! Anyway - I bet if you pay $20 for a radio at Wally World - you are going to get a wideband AM. I was in there several weeks ago - and virtually everything I tried from the $10 clock radios to the $150 boom boxes all had severe crosstalk on 620 from a local 660. Since you have a problem with 1130 bleeding onto 1110 - you should probably be able to go into your local Walmart and do the same test. You actually WANT the one with the worse bleedover for your test. I love these new IC's - they make hacking and experimenting EASY! And a lot of them are QUIET - that LA1245 or whatever the number is in the Mary Kate and Ashley boom box is really hot on the RF section. I am going to get an IC and put it into a really good tuned RF design when I get around to it - it may outperform a GE Superradio 3! That is - with a multi-element ceramic filter IF. I have a few 450 kHz ceramic filters, I may go for a stereo design from the start. I'll share it with the group if I get it going --- combination of razor sharp IF AND broadband stereo. From brucec@mindspring.com Sun Nov 14 06:59:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23497 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2004 14:59:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2004 14:59:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2004 14:59:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2004 14:59:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2004 14:59:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:59:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200411131500.25178.phonebone@comcast.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 628 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.226.36.128 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1381 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Remember to hold onto those AM stereo radios - even fater the last C- Quam station shuts the stereo down, the product detection and wide bandwidth will make them very valuable for wideband, very low distortion mono. And - I suspect product detection will be required for add-on IBOC adapters. Tom - would you know? Since we are going to be stuck with it - good or bad - I guess an add-on adapter board design is in order. I would love to see how robust WSAI's digital is here in Dallas. If IBOC can filter out the frikkin' jibberish with horns from that 1530 in south Texas - I'd convert one of my radios right now! From brucec@mindspring.com Sun Nov 14 07:03:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84215 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2004 15:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2004 15:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2004 15:03:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2004 15:03:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2004 15:03:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:03:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 514 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.226.36.128 Subject: Re: SRF-42 and AMAX Certification. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > > The SRF-42 is wide to 7.5kHz and has a noise blanker. This, > > essentially, has allowed the '42 to be certified as AMAX compliant. > * Attenuation of at least -20 dB at 10 kHz, to reduce adjacent > carrier whistles I can do 40 dB, with two 150 MHz op amps. And I have a Q of 100 on it, so I only lose +/- 50 Hz of audio response. Absolutely stable, requires no re-tuning all the time! > * Audio response of at least 50 - 6500 Hz, +1.5/-3 dB Yikes!!! That is almost what Jeff Littlejohn proposes! From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Nov 14 16:46:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75401 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 00:46:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 00:46:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80411.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 00:46:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20041115004625.24898.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.61.173.103] by web80411.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:46:25 PST Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:46:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.79.66 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KFI - worst case scenario!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are no mountains near the KFI site. It is in the middle of the LA basin, and on very, very flat land. > > In defense of KFI - might the bacon frying be caused by localized > reflections off of nearby mountains, similar to the problems with C- > Quam documented by David Eduardo? This might be a real show stopper > for IBOC in mountainous environments - while platform distortion was > annoying - bacon frying is outright self-interference! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amdavid@pacbell.net Sun Nov 14 17:12:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81790 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 01:12:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 01:12:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80408.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.63) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 01:12:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20041115011208.37730.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.61.173.103] by web80408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:12:08 PST Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:12:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.79.63 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Boston Acoustics is the only readily obtainable desk or table radio that picks up fringe FM. At KRCD in LA, many of our staff... and our sudios... are in areas with little signal and can not get the station on any receiver except the tabletop BA one. I think we must have adozen in the offices, and most of the staff has them at home. Bruce Carter wrote: > The Onkyo unit is due out any time now...and is a high end home > theater unit. > > We are expecting to see home radios from the likes of Boston Acoustics > by spring. > > Tom Ray > WOR I saw a picture of the Boston Acoustics radio in Radio World - it looked like a mono unit to me. HD radio may indeed be the salvation for manufacturers of expensive, trendy radios like Boston Acoustics and Bose Wave radio. It may make up for their terrible internal RF circuitry (try using one 70 miles from FM sticks like I am). Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Nov 14 18:16:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42622 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 02:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 02:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 02:16:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 02:16:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 02:16:23 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49798 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2004 21:09:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2004 21:09:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2004 21:09:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2004 21:09:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2004 21:09:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:09:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3564 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.171 Subject: Re: Digest Number 1381 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Nov 2004 02:16:19 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > Remember to hold onto those AM stereo radios - even fater the last C- > Quam station shuts the stereo down, the product detection and wide > bandwidth will make them very valuable for wideband, very low > distortion mono. As long as someone gives a damn about analog AM stereo, there will never be a total loss of stations. I've seen most of the circuit designs for the basic C-QUAM chip- All it is is a package of several different circuits, most of which aren't connected inside to each other. And all of themn rather simple. Considering the basic C-QUAM setup consists of three detectors (actually 4, if you want to get pedantic)- Envelope, sync and phase; as well as a cosine corrector, negative-modulation limiter, and a pilot detector. Additional stuff like IF filters and a noise blanker only add to the experience, but are not 100% crucial to demodulating C-QUAM. All that is needed to go from C-QUAM to ISB is an ISB bridge and a phase-shifting network. :) This is PRECISELY why I've been studying and archiving AMS patents- So the knowlege of how AMS works (regardless of the system) does not disappear. And no, quadrature detection is not likely to disappear anytime soon- All your cellphones use sync detectors to detect and demodulate quadrature-phased data. C-QUAM is not that hard to work with. It's only mystified by the fact that everything is usually on an IC, and if it's been chipped, there must be something particularly special about it that makes it work, right? Not really. :) Heck, if anyone's willing to invest a few grand on commissioning an asian chipmaker to to make custom analog chips in a reasonable bulk, and design the chip ourselves in SPICE, a circuit design platform that allows IC designing.... :) AM stereo is out there, available for anyone to experiment with, although I suspect most here would have no interest in building transmitters and receivers-- Kit-building has become so marginalised that most can't imagine building their own radios- even from scratch- expecting all radios to be ready for them. We take these things for granted....and look where we are, now? I know some are devoted to analog AM stereo, and will support it in every possible way to the very day they die (including myself), but sometimes I wonder about those others- The ones who will just accept anything, pretty much, if it means they'll get what they want- In this case, stereo on the AM band. Sometimes I feel like a lone voice in the struggle to preserve and promote AM stereo experimentation, that maybe AM stereo may very well die with me, leaving the knowledge and the quest FORGOTTEN. Is that what we really want? To let AMS languish into obscurity? It can happen, and much sooner than you can possibly imagine. Aside from a few car, portable and home receivers still available in Japan, there is only 2 commercially-available C-QUAM receivers in North America. One is specificly intended for C-QUAM reception (the Fanfare FTA-100); the other being an all-band QuAM/ISB-capable receiver (the JRC NRD-545), but not specificly designed for C-QUAM. Both of these are priced out of reach from the casual or budgetary AMS listener. OCCASIONALLY, a couple people put out hand-made receivers & decoder boards, but these get so little publicity, they seem overlooked. So, where are we now in the world of AMS? Can it survive? Can we HELP it survive? I don't know. I -really- don't know. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Nov 14 18:16:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31595 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 02:16:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 02:16:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 02:16:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 02:16:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 02:16:30 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55180 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2004 21:55:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2004 21:55:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2004 21:55:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2004 21:55:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2004 21:55:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:55:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 426 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.171 Subject: The ideal AMS radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Nov 2004 02:16:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 My ideal AMS radio would be all-band to 30MHz, with AMS capability (QuAM/C-QUAM/ISB/Magnavox/RCA-capable), with NFM included, plus extended FM band (to include the Japanese portion), SCA-capable, with RDS capability. Throw in the old Soviet FM band for the hell of it, and make the whole thing portable and affordable. :) Toss in a Crosby FM demod, just for the sake of experimentation. That enough? :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Nov 14 18:20:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10695 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 02:20:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 02:20:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 02:20:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 02:20:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 02:20:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 02:20:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041115011208.37730.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 938 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.116.196 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > I saw a picture of the Boston Acoustics radio in Radio World - it > looked like a mono unit to me. I have actually been wondering if the Boston Acoustics radio will at least have a "Stereo Line Out", or a "Stereo Headphone Out" jack. The analog Boston Acoustics radio apparently does not have any "out"s of any kind. I emailed Boston regarding this matter, and received a hazy reply that there would be some output of some kind on the HD version, but that it was 'too early' for them to give me details on whether it would be Stereo or Mono. I'm just looking for the first HD Radio that would be compact enough to take on trips, to do airchecking with. Perstel has a couple that they show off, a "Walkman"-type radio that's apparently FM only, and an AM/FM home tuner that looks compact enough to travel, but no official announcement has been made as to when it will be made available to the public. --tony s/miami From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 14 19:48:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62275 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 03:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 03:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.186) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 03:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.123.98.235 with login) by smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 03:48:30 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c4cac5$f80bafa0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:48:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.186 From: Subject: Scott Todd X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Calling Scott Todd Calling Scott Todd Pageing Scott Todd I need to talk to you soon. Please e mail me soon. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 14 20:01:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45843 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 04:01:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 04:01:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52401.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.109) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 04:01:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 61235 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2004 04:01:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=REnfvF6HUSgFkkMy3ZK96kPfXx7WSn7N/jnVa1SQ9JbJA2oRYFD3yCl6qzb7Wx3kk+olDjNnMF+ui/Rvhg7ItxbisMROBpNMiRTKH+VXqmlptYc6+PdDtcW7a+mI1ISYobx4ciEMoLCp8nAgCquSsUp9UcZg2YvRRDU6ZnmYtRM= ; Message-ID: <20041115040138.61233.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.89] by web52401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:01:38 PST Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:01:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20041115011208.37730.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.109 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- David Gleason wrote: > The Boston Acoustics is the only readily obtainable > desk or table radio that picks up fringe FM. At KRCD > in LA, many of our staff... and our sudios... are in > areas with little signal and can not get the station > on any receiver except the tabletop BA one. I think > we must have adozen in the offices, and most of the > staff has them at home. It does play even better if you don't use the little wire they give you. I have mine hooked up to a nice set of rabbit ears that has 75 ohm coax out the back. And it will play loud enough to fill up a Tweeters store....( guess how I know this??) Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 14 20:03:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22885 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 04:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 04:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52407.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.115) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 04:03:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 11230 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2004 04:03:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=oOaOBaaCR5nKEvrNX7f5d5owMw6cnWBCBPiTAd8ko7GqhQSOZmFIdB4i43Qszeg8NcPMlrzTjSaV7fY9ok2wVXJ/RJljQMfRo3byKx3TpzgY1D43lCl0QRpP+GRojFIRQeYvxf5mw/uFoTpW0NuWdgFhY6EZ5myo5/1fWL48Wwk= ; Message-ID: <20041115040338.11228.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.89] by web52407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:03:38 PST Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:03:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.115 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Anthony wrote: > > > I saw a picture of the Boston Acoustics radio in > Radio World - it > > looked like a mono unit to me. > > I have actually been wondering if the Boston > Acoustics radio will at > least have a "Stereo Line Out", or a "Stereo > Headphone Out" jack. The mono version does NOT. > I'm just looking for the first HD Radio that would > be compact enough > to take on trips, to do airchecking with. Perstel > has a couple that > they show off, a "Walkman"-type radio that's > apparently FM only, and > an AM/FM home tuner that looks compact enough to > travel, but no > official announcement has been made as to when it > will be made > available to the public. > > > --tony s/miami It's most likely going to be a "FEW" more generations of chips to get ANY resemblance of useable battery life for portable HD radio chipsets. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From starship_2001@msn.com Mon Nov 15 05:34:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74258 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 13:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 13:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.173.58) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 13:34:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 05:34:01 -0800 Received: from 209.240.205.116 by BAY5-DAV28.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:33:24 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:33:55 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2004 13:34:01.0698 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4A3EC20:01C4CB17] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.173.58 From: "Norbert 26" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.116] Subject: OT Walkman 60 HZ Hum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 I think this was posted before but i can't find it. I am having trouble wit= h a nasty 60HZ HUM from a walkman when using an AC to DC adopter. The adop= ter is supposed to be filtered but the HUM is coming thru. Is it a REGULATE= D adopter i need to get rid of the 60 HZ hum ????=20 -----Original Message----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW Sent: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:01:38 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD --- David Gleason wrote: > The Boston Acoustics is the only readily obtainable > desk or table radio that picks up fringe FM. At KRCD > in LA, many of our staff... and our sudios... are in > areas with little signal and can not get the station > on any receiver except the tabletop BA one. I think > we must have adozen in the offices, and most of the > staff has them at home.=20 It does play even better if you don't use the little wire they give you. I have mine hooked up to a nice set of rabbit ears that has 75 ohm coax out the back. And it will play loud enough to fill up a Tweeters store....( guess how I know this??)=20=20 Powell =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Links From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Nov 15 06:19:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92500 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 14:19:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 14:19:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 14:19:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 14:19:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 14:19:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:19:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041115011208.37730.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 837 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > The Boston Acoustics is the only readily obtainable desk or table radio that picks up fringe FM. At KRCD in LA, many of our staff... and our sudios... are in areas with little signal and can not get the station on any receiver except the tabletop BA one. I think we must have adozen in the offices, and most of the staff has them at home. I'll have to take your word for it - I haven't had a chance to test one yet. Although I do know that the Bose Wave radio is a piece of junk. I got sucked in by the ads, bought one, had trouble even with local stations (that are on tall towers 70 miles away). It went straight back. I now use a GE Superradio 3 - and get crystal clear reception of FM's up to 125 miles away using just its whip antenna. I also tested the Tivoli radio - same scenario. GE had it beat as well. From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Nov 15 06:23:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27741 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 14:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 14:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 14:23:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 14:23:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 14:23:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:23:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 461 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter If you are willing to "hack" - try the outer two tabs on the volume control. On just about anything I have looked at - one tab is ground and the other low line audio. Stereo - get ground off one ground tab and signal from each "deck" of the control. Ground should be pretty obvious because it goes a lot of places like RF can cases - an ohmmeter should be able to sniff out which tab is ground. Drill two holes for RCA audio jacks - and you are done! From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Nov 15 06:36:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92044 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 14:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 14:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 14:36:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 14:36:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 14:36:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:36:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 370 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: OT Walkman 60 HZ Hum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > I think this was posted before but i can't find it. I am having trouble with a nasty 60HZ HUM from a walkman when using an AC to DC adopter. The adopter is supposed to be filtered but the HUM is coming thru. Is it a REGULATED adopter i need to get rid of the 60 HZ hum ???? Discontinue using the adapter immediately. It is defective and needs to be replaced. From dougharding@bellsouth.net Mon Nov 15 08:44:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83172 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 16:44:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 16:44:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 16:44:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 16:44:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 16:44:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:44:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 927 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.100 Subject: Re: Digest Number 1381 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Amy you forgot that all current 2004 and 2005 FORD car stereos have analog C-quam AM stereo and they are wideband too! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > Aside from a few car, portable and home receivers still available in > Japan, there is only 2 commercially-available C-QUAM receivers in > North America. One is specificly intended for C-QUAM reception (the > Fanfare FTA-100); the other being an all-band QuAM/ISB-capable > receiver (the JRC NRD-545), but not specificly designed for C-QUAM. > Both of these are priced out of reach from the casual or budgetary > AMS listener. > > OCCASIONALLY, a couple people put out hand-made receivers & decoder > boards, but these get so little publicity, they seem overlooked. > > So, where are we now in the world of AMS? Can it survive? Can we HELP > it survive? > > I don't know. I -really- don't know. :( > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomray@wor710.com Mon Nov 15 09:41:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71805 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 17:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 17:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 17:41:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 17:41:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 17:41:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:41:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041115040138.61233.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 498 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > It does play even better if you don't use the little > wire they give you. I have mine hooked up to a nice > set of rabbit ears that has 75 ohm coax out the back. > And it will play loud enough to fill up a Tweeters > store....( guess how I know this??) > You do that too, eh? Remember the old Sounds Great stores? I was banned from their Newington, CT store for doing things like this..... Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Nov 15 09:44:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42132 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 17:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 17:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 17:44:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 17:44:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 17:44:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:44:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 276 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > On the upside, he can turn off his furnace, because the Continental > will keep his home nice and toasty all winter long. > The scary thing is, you can do this with just the filaments on! TR From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Nov 15 15:01:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54847 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 23:01:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 23:01:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 23:01:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 23:01:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 23:01:02 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13712 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 19:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 19:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 19:33:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 19:33:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 19:33:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:32:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 405 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.239 Subject: Re: Digest Number 1381 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Nov 2004 23:01:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > > Amy you forgot that all current 2004 and 2005 FORD car stereos have > analog C-quam AM stereo and they are wideband too! Quite true, but you can't buy them off the shelf, separate from the cars themselves. Pretty expensive way just to have a AM stereo radio. (Nevermind some of us can't DRIVE...) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Nov 15 15:02:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8233 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 23:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 23:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 23:02:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 23:01:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 23:01:31 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71817 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 19:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 19:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 19:36:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 19:36:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2004 19:36:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:35:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 597 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.239 Subject: Re: OT Walkman 60 HZ Hum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Nov 2004 23:01:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26" wrote: > I think this was posted before but i can't find it. I am having trouble with a nasty 60HZ HUM from a walkman when using an AC to DC adopter. The adopter is supposed to be filtered but the HUM is coming thru. Is it a REGULATED adopter i need to get rid of the 60 HZ hum ???? Just as has been previously mentioned, stop using the current one, and get yourself a NEW AC adaptor. Make sure it specificly says it's REGULATED. Hum from an AC power supply is the bane of all AM radio listeners. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 15 15:41:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5576 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 23:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 23:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52404.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.112) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 23:41:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 1179 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2004 23:41:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=5CisYDR1kugE2YBwxqEEDixIij75CzqErYcegC/5bXqsXfkDW03eKgOu9fXB75FzICTfo0yyEPHbOZZn5HcMHzrqKJEbN0N84dEJMCNjhlcRk6vGy1JnpHozAeayH1eKfGZreF/EvtrvyFjRJQmrN6SecXxpE/3cuUZon6Vuj98= ; Message-ID: <20041115234109.1177.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.80] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:41:09 PST Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:41:09 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.112 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Bruce Carter wrote: > > > The Boston Acoustics is the only readily > obtainable desk or table > radio that picks up fringe FM. At KRCD in LA, many > of our staff... > and our sudios... are in areas with little signal > and can not get > the station on any receiver except the tabletop BA > one. I think we > must have adozen in the offices, and most of the > staff has them at > home. > > I'll have to take your word for it - I haven't had a > chance to test > one yet. Although I do know that the Bose Wave > radio is a piece of > junk. I got sucked in by the ads, bought one, had > trouble even with > local stations (that are on tall towers 70 miles > away). It went > straight back. I now use a GE Superradio 3 - and > get crystal clear > reception of FM's up to 125 miles away using just > its whip antenna. > I also tested the Tivoli radio - same scenario. GE > had it beat as > well. Bruce, the Receptor is GREAT on FM. It's OK on AM, but with a loop it perks up. It will play loudly and without distortion at FULL volume. I just got a Tivola table radio at a thrift store for $5.00 in excellent shape. OK radio, but not nearly as loud as the Receptor, but a lot prettier. I do have the Pal model in blue. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 15 15:43:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72249 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 23:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 23:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 23:43:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 83225 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2004 23:43:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=jsSLzly2wzcaumSUAafGjir2+Ol3PcAYdUeS4B2PxX9qXhrHxBShB2tY2e8z474IzlmJPlvPmjQ0xcAYqptV0qGlKxcoteAG67nAHg7+eVLpYSZdKmW4JNRYO9zJyGPVswimKMJHebrQ7tnLen8EjdnqfO6gQtSap+IFrIum2GU= ; Message-ID: <20041115234331.83223.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.80] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:43:31 PST Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:43:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > It does play even better if you don't use the > little > > wire they give you. I have mine hooked up to a > nice > > set of rabbit ears that has 75 ohm coax out the > back. > > And it will play loud enough to fill up a Tweeters > > store....( guess how I know this??) > > > > You do that too, eh? Remember the old Sounds Great > stores? We don't have those down here. > I was > banned from their Newington, CT store for doing > things like this..... > > Tom Ray > WOR The manager didn't say a thing. I was showing it to someone and I said "watch THIS". Yes, I got a salesperson to BUY the radio. I told the manager he owed me. Everyone else was amazed at the radio! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 15 15:44:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63884 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 23:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2004 23:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52402.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.110) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 23:44:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 59640 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2004 23:44:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=WGMtnRh4at/NL8ggjZXRzXqsUE7E/QeVxCmCFW+Ve9vT5CGV3PGYXvOt+2GINTWzXXNQqws1Pu3vOAgmcbJ+dA0+5W7rqPSIQY+pYH99DpK63/FjSFkS8QBttpSjnMFQGqkIiioT6f8pABbG/6wDT+TfnQqJ+jwIQYqmga6ZQAM= ; Message-ID: <20041115234430.59634.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.80] by web52402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:44:30 PST Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:44:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.110 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 1381 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > "douglasharding" > wrote: > > > > Amy you forgot that all current 2004 and 2005 FORD > car stereos have > > analog C-quam AM stereo and they are wideband too! > > Quite true, but you can't buy them off the shelf, > separate from the > cars themselves. > > Pretty expensive way just to have a AM stereo radio. > > (Nevermind some of us can't DRIVE...) > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Neither can Miss Julia the Kitty .... ]:) Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon Nov 15 17:54:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68992 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2004 01:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2004 01:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2004 01:54:23 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.23.193]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:54:21 -0700 Message-ID: <005501c4cb7f$8e92ffa0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:56:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2004 01:54:22.0581 (UTC) FILETIME=[318CC250:01C4CB7F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude 5671s are so much nicer to look at than 4CX35000As. Wish I could have gotten the old KSTP 50G Ampliphase. Those 5671 PA tubes were a sight to behold with their massive copper anodes, and you could really see the glow of the filaments at the top (all 11V @ 285A worth of glow!) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" > > On the upside, he can turn off his furnace, because the Continental > > will keep his home nice and toasty all winter long. > > > > The scary thing is, you can do this with just the filaments on! > > TR From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Nov 16 00:22:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37063 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2004 08:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2004 08:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2004 08:22:58 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.183.39]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.2.315.0) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 03:22:16 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c4cbb5$accaafa0$27b70642@4bmx301> To: References: <20041115234109.1177.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 03:24:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re:Tivoli/Pal (was WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to speak up here- I have also tested them all- The Pal, for me, was the best one for fringe FM- I am able to get WNAK out of Nanticoke PA, as well as WQXR- a feat no other radio can do where I live outside of a car radio. The Pal is also easily converted to am stereo- a big + Now, personally, the Receptor is kinda ugly. Looks like a Japan retro look, which I don't care for. Too cheap looking for the cost. Just my opinion. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brucec@mindspring.com Tue Nov 16 06:25:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77431 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2004 14:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2004 14:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2004 14:25:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2004 14:25:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2004 14:25:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:24:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041115234109.1177.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 202 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I will have to take your word for it - I haven't had a chance to test one. I did test the Bose wave and the Tivoli - both were crummy DX radios and went right back. A GE Superradio is much better! From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue Nov 16 11:52:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24025 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2004 19:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2004 19:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2004 19:52:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2004 19:52:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2004 19:52:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:52:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c4cbb5$accaafa0$27b70642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 492 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 141.149.60.92 Subject: Re:Tivoli/Pal (was WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I have to speak up here- I have also tested them all- The Pal, for me, was the best one for fringe FM- I am able to get WNAK out of Nanticoke PA, as well as WQXR- a feat no other radio can do where I live outside of a car radio. I had a PAL Radio... use the line-out and watch your FM reception go from first to worst. Bad design. If you're using it for listening, fine. I wanted one to aircheck on the road. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Nov 16 13:53:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49549 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2004 21:53:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2004 21:53:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2004 21:53:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2004 21:53:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2004 21:53:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:53:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 595 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: The ideal AMS radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee How 'bout a tube driven table model of that unit? Nice, eh? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > My ideal AMS radio would be all-band to 30MHz, with AMS capability > (QuAM/C-QUAM/ISB/Magnavox/RCA-capable), with NFM included, plus > extended FM band (to include the Japanese portion), SCA-capable, with > RDS capability. Throw in the old Soviet FM band for the hell of it, > and make the whole thing portable and affordable. :) Toss in a Crosby > FM demod, just for the sake of experimentation. > > That enough? :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Nov 16 17:58:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15995 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 01:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2004 01:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 01:58:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2004 01:58:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2004 01:58:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:58:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 329 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.139 Subject: AM Stereo exciters on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Delta ASE-1 AM Stereo exciter: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3761033976 Harris STX-1B AM Stereo exciter (configured for C-Quam): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5732346398 There was a matching Harris STM-1 AM Stereo modulation monitor on eBay, but someone got it by using "Buy It Now". From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 16 18:33:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10156 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 02:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2004 02:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 02:33:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 15105 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2004 02:33:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=H52bisjKr9GYZMihzVNvyFqj9JtLjvPykow02//AnrUW8yNdka6xpcV9hJs9A4Y7y8J5uFUaCnkVqITRkG5J/I27DArjm8V3bAVLkd58apyLb1mIM1dk+4vnnZoqn+h2MpX/Xo9fl04VS2JpE7z6HApeGz4h8uuI+uZwf8dnKKE= ; Message-ID: <20041117023331.15103.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.81] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:33:31 PST Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:33:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000501c4cbb5$accaafa0$27b70642@4bmx301> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:Tivoli/Pal (was WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Chris Cuff wrote: > I have to speak up here- I have also tested them > all- The Pal, for me, was the best one for fringe > FM- I am able to get WNAK out of Nanticoke PA, as > well as WQXR- a feat no other radio can do where I > live outside of a car radio. The Pal is also easily > converted to am stereo- a big + Now, personally, the > Receptor is kinda ugly. Looks like a Japan retro > look, which I don't care for. Too cheap looking for > the cost. Just my opinion. > Chris Audio wise the Receptor is way louder. With the Pal next to the model 1 which is a bit bigger, the model 1 sounds better. So the model 1 ( and its stereo companion now) should also be a good AM stereo conversion candidate. The Model 1 has an antenna connector and the Pal ( mine's deep blue) does not have one. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 16 18:34:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13426 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 02:34:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2004 02:34:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 02:34:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 806 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2004 02:34:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=RPcB/ikhPGAtu7kqQE/cVFWNjBeMhF9+CZIBKsQea/2lF4I86Z66C9B7JPS9cfsz1rOCjiMRF4Srnf8gRfOpqJ6+rO1eNF7DosHgue/TTRHZ2d8sCawFe42tLhTC46mM07F+9YI71UQO0WzZLPCaU6UAeXRNkYBWsz6PCBAY+UM= ; Message-ID: <20041117023433.804.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.81] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:34:33 PST Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:34:33 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Bruce Carter wrote: > > I will have to take your word for it - I haven't had > a chance to > test one. I did test the Bose wave and the Tivoli - > both were > crummy DX radios and went right back. A GE > Superradio is much > better! I have not tested the Tivoli for AM, but both seem to like the loop. The FM is way better than most. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 16 18:37:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10466 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 02:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2004 02:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 02:37:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 17761 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2004 02:36:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=dhCSQT9HBcEokflU2iXB8r++lH372BvDESN46kPNnn5ZFQzMHwtzh1oJe+eCMDaqfO2pJEbytftWBBDX0nYWfgKfOX0mKyFp3XQJoy8UXZbx4gWs2Hcv44tOqa4p0ErbMDCNr2ZcaRkUyf9oZMJpLOsmAAjNWp2vDIfhx4pD9AI= ; Message-ID: <20041117023642.17759.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.81] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:36:42 PST Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:36:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:Tivoli/Pal (was WOR is now Stereo in HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- wgliradio wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" > wrote: > > I have to speak up here- I have also tested them > all- The Pal, for > me, was the best one for fringe FM- I am able to get > WNAK out of > Nanticoke PA, as well as WQXR- a feat no other radio > can do where I > live outside of a car radio. > > I had a PAL Radio... use the line-out and watch your > FM reception go > from first to worst. Bad design. If you're using > it for listening, > fine. I wanted one to aircheck on the road. The Pal has a headphone out. I don't see a line out. The Model 1 however DOES have a line out AND an external antenna coax connector, and yes you can run it on a battery, you just have to make the connector and a battery. Both of mine are now side by side in the kitchen for now. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 16 18:39:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34457 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 02:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2004 02:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 02:39:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 18089 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2004 02:39:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=2niaJc8z61rWo3A252CY6BCsZkdkQLHC85u3Iwkbq7ucDVXHZbaaMIKkGy5emWkAuDVPam3TJBGWQobJr4BcYm2/CJbA3IP3+OITehlE+nW6ypIwBnmH65/lN4zVPHNTGuJiisZGANGsPp9eo0nPr1FdtM9h5pBUQIZ72X0J5Ww= ; Message-ID: <20041117023947.18084.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.81] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:39:47 PST Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:39:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The ideal AMS radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Douglas wrote: > How 'bout a tube driven table model of that unit? > Nice, eh? What model are you referring to ? BUT from what AMY said, my ancient Hallicrafters SX-62A tunes continuously from BC to 180 megahertz. 6 bandwidth positions and wide is VERY wide. A whole BUNCH of tubes, and a pair of 6V6's in push pull. The SR series cannot hold a candle to it. It's more or less a consumer version of the Hallicrafters SX-42 in a different case. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Nov 16 18:44:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19829 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 02:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2004 02:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.32) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 02:44:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:44:01 -0800 Received: from 216.78.55.29 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:43:56 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:43:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2004 02:44:01.0647 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B9FE7F0:01C4CC4F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.32 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [216.78.55.29] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The ideal AMS radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 And I have the SX-42, and it has a very wide band setting, along with FM, although not stereo. MTGC (Michael) >From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The ideal AMS radio... >Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:39:47 -0800 (PST) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com >Received: from n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.50]) by >mc3-f37.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Tue, 16 Nov 2004 >18:40:44 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov >2004 02:39:49 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.27] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 >Nov 2004 02:39:49 -0000 >Received: (qmail 34457 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 02:39:48 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >17 Nov 2004 02:39:48 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by >mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 02:39:48 -0000 >Received: (qmail 18089 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2004 02:39:47 -0000 >Received: from [66.112.193.81] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 >Nov 2004 18:39:47 PST >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jG7pQe3bN8Ds60G17UBOlQW >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; >b=2niaJc8z61rWo3A252CY6BCsZkdkQLHC85u3Iwkbq7ucDVXHZbaaMIKkGy5emWkAuDVPam3TJBGWQobJr4BcYm2/CJbA3IP3+OITehlE+nW6ypIwBnmH65/lN4zVPHNTGuJiisZGANGsPp9eo0nPr1FdtM9h5pBUQIZ72X0J5Ww= > ; >Message-ID: <20041117023947.18084.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> >In-Reply-To: >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 >X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-19353-1100659188-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2004 02:40:44.0297 (UTC) >FILETIME=[D5FEAF90:01C4CC4E] > > >--- Douglas wrote: > > > > How 'bout a tube driven table model of that unit? > > > Nice, eh? > > > >What model are you referring to ? BUT from what AMY >said, my ancient Hallicrafters SX-62A tunes >continuously from BC to 180 megahertz. 6 bandwidth >positions and wide is VERY wide. A whole BUNCH of >tubes, and a pair of 6V6's in push pull. The SR >series cannot hold a candle to it. It's more or less a >consumer version of the Hallicrafters SX-42 in a >different case. > >Powell > > > >===== >powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Nov 17 00:04:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48037 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 08:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2004 08:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 08:04:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2004 08:04:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2004 08:04:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:04:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1346 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 68.136.198.123 Subject: Fwd: KHAR Anchroage, AK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From the radio-tech list... it seems that KHAR has their AM Stereo equipment sitting unused, so if anyone would be interested in possibly acquiring it and putting it to good use, it's worth a shot. (BTW, Radio-Locator still lists KHAR as "Stereo 590".) [RT] Re: Radio-tech digest, Vol 1 #4061 - 43 msgs Scott Dennis AL7EM Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:52:28 -0900 At 08:54 AM 11/15/2004, you wrote: >It's more than ironic, but very sad that now that we can finally >transmit fabulous AM audio it simply doesn't matter. :( > >g Gary, you expressed what I have been thinking as I read all this discussion. I am a veteran of the C-QUAM war, at KHAR AM in Anchorage, and now see the equipment we installed back then sitting in a shed. All that work for naught, since the receivers never caught up to what we could do 15 years ago. And even better was possible, but again the limiting factor is/was available receivers. And now they are preemptively crippling AM bandwidth to accommodate changes being made to serve users of - again - nonexistent receivers. I feel like I have already seen this movie. Scott Dennis AL7EM "The Impossible just takes a little longer!" Chief Engineer New Northwest Broadcasters KDBZ, KQEZ, KRPM, KFAT FMs 11259 Tower Road Anchorage, AK 99515 (907) 267-3915 FAX 267-3936 Cell 441-7776 From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Wed Nov 17 13:51:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22633 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 21:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2004 21:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.18) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 21:51:14 -0000 Received: from user-7395.l4.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.124.227] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUXhp-00043L-NZ for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:51:13 +0000 Message-ID: <8oUx3KOEe8mBFwLc@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:49:56 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.18 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: The ideal radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Amy said: >My ideal AMS radio would be all-band to 30MHz, with AMS capability > (QuAM/C-QUAM/ISB/Magnavox/RCA-capable), with NFM included, plus > extended FM band (to include the Japanese portion), SCA-capable, with > RDS capability. Throw in the old Soviet FM band for the hell of it, > and make the whole thing portable and affordable. :) Toss in a Crosby > FM demod, just for the sake of experimentation. > > That enough? :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ _________________________________________________ Doesn't the top of the range JRC come close though I think it's strictly MF through HF. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Nov 17 14:04:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30562 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 22:04:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2004 22:04:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 22:04:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2004 22:04:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2004 22:04:30 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32438 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 09:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2004 09:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 09:33:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2004 09:32:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2004 09:32:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:32:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 252 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: more KFI IBOC... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 17 Nov 2004 22:04:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 http://68.105.108.90:1180/stephen/amradio/KFI_IBOC_2.mp3 Aiwa HS-JX838 Lennox $5 blue sports radio PR-35M RCA RP-1665 personal am/fm Aiwa TX-476 Sony WM-FS220 sports walkman Sony SRF-42 Panasonic RQ-SW20 Sony D-NS921F mp3 CD player Panasonic RQ-SW44V From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 17 14:51:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49454 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 22:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2004 22:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52407.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.115) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 22:51:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 73494 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2004 22:51:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Hf9QgsEyY/ARnbIjCRM5MI+y67lovJ5M5ND3zEXm4iZayPz3hObx9Y6I5YvRjSrboonVpmxccI1OpoKKRZm+IsPwz70Wztge49Y0GZUI6RWrxPjioaKYcVAdvPuDSqMLOapV6wPkCpnVLCAFPMcmPK14nBcYr4XoaA8UbdVmVZg= ; Message-ID: <20041117225124.73490.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.110] by web52407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:51:24 PST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:51:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.115 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The ideal AMS radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > And I have the SX-42, and it has a very wide band > setting, along with FM, > although not stereo. > MTGC (Michael) I almost got one at the Shelby Hamfest a few years ago. BUT it was far too heavy for me to carry it to the truck, not to mention no place to put it anywhere. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Nov 17 16:11:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74206 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 00:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2004 00:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 00:11:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 00:11:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 00:11:40 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93624 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 23:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2004 23:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 23:13:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2004 23:13:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2004 23:13:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:13:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8oUx3KOEe8mBFwLc@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1886 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.239 Subject: Re: The ideal radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Nov 2004 00:11:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Amy said: > > Doesn't the top of the range JRC come close though I think it's strictly > MF through HF. LF, MF & HF, actually- 100kHz to 30MHz. But yes, it doesn't do FM (stereo), so the SCA is out on that. However, that receiver is ALOT more complicatred than I really need. Even with PLL digital tuning, I could envision a non-DSP receiver for less than $200, homebuilt. All that I mentioned, plus SSB (once it's figured out how to apply SSB to a Motortola chip, that it...) NFM/PM can be done right from the phase detector of the Motorola chip, no biggie. I do think access to Envelope, I, Q, and Phase would make it good for alot of non-digital transmission modes. Toss in an FM-receiver-on-a-chip that has unfiltered baseband out, toss in a tunable PLL NFM demod (maybe right back from the Motorola chip? Probablky not), and add the usual IF amps & filters, and it'll be SCA capable. :) Above all, I need it to be portable. :) I don't care if it has speakers or not, but I like portables, and with a headphone jack, I'm a happy mousie with my Kosses. :) Now, of course, here comes another thought- Not sure if any of the techies might be interested, but here goes.... I would like a Part-15 FM stereo TX. Yes, sure, I can go buy one of those iPod FM transmitters-- You know what I mean ;) - but I want one modified for SCA use-- If it allows any direct-to-baseband injection. Why? Well, without any SCA here, and owning an SCA radio (from http://www.radiosca.com/) and now I'm armed with a copy of the FM Atlas (19th ed.) I just got from Universal Radio for $16...anyhoo... I want to experiment with SCA, ideally being able to broadcast both 67 and 92kHz channels. Relay a couple radio services via SCA... :) I must be nuts. I know I'm cheesy. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Nov 17 16:29:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98944 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 00:29:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2004 00:29:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 00:29:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:28:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.101.49 by BAY101-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:27:48 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:27:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2004 00:28:02.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[76A82C80:01C4CD05] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.90 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.101.49] Subject: Kerry's "new" 317C Was: Stereo at WOR ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > And the electric meter spinning so fast it will create a breeze.... But think, he could hit the plates and cause black-outs at will! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Nov 17 16:54:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60391 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 00:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2004 00:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 00:54:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:54:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.101.49 by BAY101-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:53:27 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: Cc: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:52:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2004 00:54:00.0587 (UTC) FILETIME=[177FD5B0:01C4CD09] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.77 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.101.49] Subject: First Xmas Joke of the Season X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Three men died on Christmas Eve and were met by Saint Peter at the pearly gates. In honor of this holy season," Saint Peter said, "you must each possess something that symbolizes Christmas to get into heaven." The first man fumbled through his pockets and pulled out a lighter. He flicked it on. It represents a candle, he said. You may pass through the pearly gates Saint Peter said. The second man reached into his pocket and pulled out a set of keys. He shook them and said, They're bells". Saint Peter said you may pass through the pearly gates. The third man started searching desperately through his pockets and finally pulled out a pair of women's panties. St. Peter looked at the man with a raised eyebrow and asked, "And just what do those symbolize?" The man replied, "They're Carols". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Nov 17 17:30:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87492 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 01:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2004 01:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 01:30:51 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.250]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:30:49 -0700 Message-ID: <005c01c4cd0e$9afb1940$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:33:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2004 01:30:49.0877 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C56BC50:01C4CD0E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo exciters on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The guy with the Delta still wants too much for it. That's first generation stuff, IIRC. His first auction was WAY overpriced. Wish I had the $$ to bid on the Harris from Johnny Electron. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." To: Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:58 PM Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo exciters on eBay > > > Delta ASE-1 AM Stereo exciter: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3761033976 > > Harris STX-1B AM Stereo exciter (configured for C-Quam): > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5732346398 > > There was a matching Harris STM-1 AM Stereo modulation monitor > on eBay, but someone got it by using "Buy It Now". > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Nov 18 00:04:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12472 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 08:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2004 08:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 08:04:34 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.186.167]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.2.315.0) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:03:19 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c4cd45$5905b400$a7ba0642@4bmx301> To: References: <20041117225124.73490.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:05:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The ideal AMS radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Powell...... That's not an acceptable excuse... Do you know how much extra room there is under bathroom vanities? Or in linen closets? I know...... "There's always room for another radio.." Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:51 PM > And I have the SX-42, and it has a very wide band > setting, along with FM, > although not stereo. > MTGC (Michael) I almost got one at the Shelby Hamfest a few years ago. BUT it was far too heavy for me to carry it to the truck, not to mention no place to put it anywhere. Powell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 18 04:53:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30371 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 12:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2004 12:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 12:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.124.15.156 with login) by smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 12:53:56 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c4cd6d$abb03e00$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 04:53:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.187 From: Subject: Delta AES 1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang That one on e bay he will never get that much for the Dalta AES 1. I had only payed about $450 for mine and i hope it will be put to use at my local 950 am KAHI Auburn Ca i hope i hope i hope. Now i am not quite done paying for another one to and its a Harris AMS G1 i hpoe it will be used at KFRC AM 610 . Thay have a maching TX its a Harris Gates 5. I had got to talk to the head enganeer and he was all agenst going back to AMS untill i asked him "what if i can get you a free AMS exciter". You could hear a pin drop. All i can say gang is i will see where chips will fall. Thanks all Jim Smith P.S I am not a rich guy!!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougharding@bellsouth.net Thu Nov 18 04:57:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53552 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 12:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2004 12:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 12:57:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 12:56:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 12:56:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:56:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 811 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 65.6.205.68 Subject: FORD AM Stereo Car Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding The point I was making Amy is that over a million brand new AM stereo radios in cars are hitting the highways today where most listening to AM takes place and yet the IBOC block wants to broadcast a system that not only no one can receive but makes the station sound muddy on non digital radios. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" > wrote: > > > > Amy you forgot that all current 2004 and 2005 FORD car stereos have > > analog C-quam AM stereo and they are wideband too! > > Quite true, but you can't buy them off the shelf, separate from the > cars themselves. > > Pretty expensive way just to have a AM stereo radio. > > (Nevermind some of us can't DRIVE...) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Nov 18 06:46:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34711 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 14:46:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2004 14:46:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 14:46:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 14:45:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 14:45:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:45:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1397 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: more KFI IBOC... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > http://68.105.108.90:1180/stephen/amradio/KFI_IBOC_2.mp3 > > Aiwa HS-JX838 > Lennox $5 blue sports radio PR-35M > RCA RP-1665 personal am/fm > Aiwa TX-476 > Sony WM-FS220 sports walkman > Sony SRF-42 > Panasonic RQ-SW20 > Sony D-NS921F mp3 CD player > Panasonic RQ-SW44V OMG! This is absolutely damning - listen to the bacon frying on some of the "cheapies"! Would you be able to "close the loop" on this and do some hacking? I would like to know the design of each radio - is it the new single ceramic filter design, or the 3 transformer design. I am hoping you know enough to tell the difference. Also, if you could get an IC number regardless of which type of design. And thanks for putting this together for us! This was obviously a lot of time and effort. As I said before, arguments about adjacent channel destruction may not have a lot of influence - but the extent of self-jamming on some of those audio channels WILL. The message IS getting out - somebody got a letter through to Radio World about the self-jamming effect on cheap radios. I do have one card to play - I know someone in a high place, VERY high, and he grew up in MIDLAND - where AM DX was a way of life. I wonder if a word to the big man himself might do some good in stopping this train wreck dead in its tracks. At least we might get a high level investigation into the FCC out of it. From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Nov 18 06:49:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88831 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 14:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2004 14:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 14:46:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 14:46:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 14:46:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:46:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 408 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: FORD AM Stereo Car Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > The point I was making Amy is that over a million brand new AM stereo > radios in cars are hitting the highways today where most listening to > AM takes place and yet the IBOC block wants to broadcast a system that > not only no one can receive but makes the station sound muddy on non > digital radios. Did you hear the clip above? On AM stereo radios, IBOC stations are virtually unlistenable! From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Nov 18 07:11:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34802 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 15:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2004 15:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 15:11:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:11:28 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.78.63.228 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:09:41 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000501c4cd45$5905b400$a7ba0642@4bmx301> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:09:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2004 15:11:28.0205 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0AB57D0:01C4CD80] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.42 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [216.78.63.228] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The ideal AMS radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 I agree with Chris. When I buy another radio, I can always find a place for it, even if it means putting another set of shelives up. MTGC (Michael) >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The ideal AMS radio... >Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:05:19 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com >Received: from n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.49]) by >mc1-f9.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Thu, 18 Nov 2004 >00:04:48 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov >2004 08:04:44 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.67.197] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 >Nov 2004 08:04:44 -0000 >Received: (qmail 12472 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 08:04:41 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >18 Nov 2004 08:04:41 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by >mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 08:04:34 -0000 >Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.186.167]) by mail.corp.in4web.com >(Vircom SMTPRS 3.2.315.0) with SMTP id >for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:03:19 -0500 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHxdmo36cUQOjikXxIal+qJ >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >References: <20041117225124.73490.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com> >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 >X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-19363-1100765084-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2004 08:04:48.0984 (UTC) >FILETIME=[46583580:01C4CD45] > >Powell...... That's not an acceptable excuse... Do you know how much extra >room there is under bathroom vanities? Or in linen closets? I know...... >"There's always room for another radio.." >Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:51 PM > > And I have the SX-42, and it has a very wide band > > setting, along with FM, > > although not stereo. > > > MTGC (Michael) > > > I almost got one at the Shelby Hamfest a few years > ago. BUT it was far too heavy for me to carry it to > the truck, not to mention no place to put it anywhere. > > > Powell > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From dougharding@bellsouth.net Thu Nov 18 07:32:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93569 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 15:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2004 15:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 15:32:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 15:32:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 15:32:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:32:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 715 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.100 Subject: Re: FORD AM Stereo Car Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: I agree. Here in Miami we have one station WQAM 560 that is in digital. My Fanfare FTA-100 just automaticlly narrowbands and WQAM sounds like a telephone. The same in my car. I can be listening to a regular AM station which sounds like FM on my Ford radio then when I switch to 560 you can hear the treble go away as the radio automatically narrowbands the station and it also sounds like it is coming out of a telephone. I cannot stand to listen to it. On my Carver TX-11B and Marantz 440 I can hear the bacon frying and the hash noise! > > Did you hear the clip above? On AM stereo radios, IBOC stations are > virtually unlistenable! From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Nov 18 07:41:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60933 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 15:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2004 15:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.31) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 15:41:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:31:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.78.63.228 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:30:50 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:30:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2004 15:31:03.0473 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D2F0210:01C4CD83] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.31 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [216.78.63.228] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The ideal AMS radio... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 That should be shelves. Darn dyslexic keyboard. MTGC (MIchael) >From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The ideal AMS radio... >Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:09:41 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [216.78.63.228] >X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] >X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com >Received: from n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.37]) by >mc7-f36.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Thu, 18 Nov 2004 >07:12:21 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov >2004 15:11:30 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.27] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 >Nov 2004 15:11:30 -0000 >Received: (qmail 34802 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 15:11:28 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >18 Nov 2004 15:11:28 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.42) by >mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 15:11:28 -0000 >Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; >Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:11:28 -0800 >Received: from 216.78.63.228 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;Thu, >18 Nov 2004 15:09:41 GMT >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGo2WUVf4476fA4XVwYBoA6 >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2004 15:11:28.0205 (UTC) >FILETIME=[E0AB57D0:01C4CD80] >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.42 >X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-19368-1100790690-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com > >I agree with Chris. When I buy another radio, I can always find a place >for >it, even if it means putting another set of shelives up. > >MTGC (Michael) > > >From: "Chris Cuff" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The ideal AMS radio... > >Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:05:19 -0500 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com > >Received: from n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.49]) by > >mc1-f9.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Thu, 18 Nov >2004 > >00:04:48 -0800 > >Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov > >2004 08:04:44 -0000 > >Received: from [66.218.67.197] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; >18 > >Nov 2004 08:04:44 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 12472 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 08:04:41 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with >QMQP; > >18 Nov 2004 08:04:41 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by > >mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 08:04:34 -0000 > >Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.186.167]) by >mail.corp.in4web.com > >(Vircom SMTPRS 3.2.315.0) with SMTP id > >for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:03:19 -0500 > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHxdmo36cUQOjikXxIal+qJ > >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email > >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >References: <20041117225124.73490.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com> > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > >X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 > >X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 > >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact > >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com > >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Precedence: bulk > >List-Unsubscribe: > >Return-Path: > >sentto-4085512-19363-1100765084-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2004 08:04:48.0984 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[46583580:01C4CD45] > > > >Powell...... That's not an acceptable excuse... Do you know how much >extra > >room there is under bathroom vanities? Or in linen closets? I know...... > >"There's always room for another radio.." > >Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:51 PM > > > And I have the SX-42, and it has a very wide band > > > setting, along with FM, > > > although not stereo. > > > > > MTGC (Michael) > > > > > > I almost got one at the Shelby Hamfest a few years > > ago. BUT it was far too heavy for me to carry it to > > the truck, not to mention no place to put it anywhere. > > > > > > Powell > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Nov 18 15:35:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5561 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 23:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2004 23:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 23:35:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 23:35:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 23:35:52 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1056 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 19:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2004 19:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 19:45:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 19:44:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 19:44:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:44:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1692 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: more KFI IBOC... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Nov 2004 23:35:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 I may have forgotten to mention that with the exception of the Lennox radio and the SRF-42, all the radios used in this example are digitally tuned. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > > http://68.105.108.90:1180/stephen/amradio/KFI_IBOC_2.mp3 > > > > Aiwa HS-JX838 > > Lennox $5 blue sports radio PR-35M > > RCA RP-1665 personal am/fm > > Aiwa TX-476 > > Sony WM-FS220 sports walkman > > Sony SRF-42 > > Panasonic RQ-SW20 > > Sony D-NS921F mp3 CD player > > Panasonic RQ-SW44V > > OMG! This is absolutely damning - listen to the bacon frying on > some of the "cheapies"! > > Would you be able to "close the loop" on this and do some hacking? > I would like to know the design of each radio - is it the new single > ceramic filter design, or the 3 transformer design. I am hoping you > know enough to tell the difference. Also, if you could get an IC > number regardless of which type of design. > > And thanks for putting this together for us! This was obviously a > lot of time and effort. As I said before, arguments about adjacent > channel destruction may not have a lot of influence - but the extent > of self-jamming on some of those audio channels WILL. > > The message IS getting out - somebody got a letter through to Radio > World about the self-jamming effect on cheap radios. > > I do have one card to play - I know someone in a high place, VERY > high, and he grew up in MIDLAND - where AM DX was a way of life. I > wonder if a word to the big man himself might do some good in > stopping this train wreck dead in its tracks. At least we might get > a high level investigation into the FCC out of it. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Nov 18 15:36:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 60908 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 23:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2004 23:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 23:36:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 23:36:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 23:36:04 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90038 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 19:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2004 19:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 19:43:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 19:43:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 19:43:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:42:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2521 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: more KFI IBOC... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Nov 2004 23:35:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 I wouldn't be comfortable hacking into most of the other units (because either they are the only one I have, not cheap, I use them frequently, or they're not mine), but... $5 Lennox radio - uses an IC marked "Samsung S232C" "STA0426C02-50", a couple tunable IF transformers, and a "SFU 455B" ceramic filter. Panasonic RQ-SW20 (note that the parts reference is from an SW10 but it's pretty much an almost identical radio) - B456 F 16 (circle M) (greek looking B) surface mount filter, a couple other filters that I don't know what they are, about 3 or 4 small tunable coils, 3 IC's - 1 marked "5J5", another marked "6612S" "567" (don't know if this is an IC or just another part that uses approx 8 pins), and a third marked "TA8122AF" (this one was hard to read though). Here are some pics of the internal parts of the RQ-SW10 (very similar radio based on usage to the SW20 which I have not dismantled): http://68.105.108.90:1180/stephen/amradio/Panasonic_RQSW10_pics_inside/ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > > http://68.105.108.90:1180/stephen/amradio/KFI_IBOC_2.mp3 > > > > Aiwa HS-JX838 > > Lennox $5 blue sports radio PR-35M > > RCA RP-1665 personal am/fm > > Aiwa TX-476 > > Sony WM-FS220 sports walkman > > Sony SRF-42 > > Panasonic RQ-SW20 > > Sony D-NS921F mp3 CD player > > Panasonic RQ-SW44V > > OMG! This is absolutely damning - listen to the bacon frying on > some of the "cheapies"! > > Would you be able to "close the loop" on this and do some hacking? > I would like to know the design of each radio - is it the new single > ceramic filter design, or the 3 transformer design. I am hoping you > know enough to tell the difference. Also, if you could get an IC > number regardless of which type of design. > > And thanks for putting this together for us! This was obviously a > lot of time and effort. As I said before, arguments about adjacent > channel destruction may not have a lot of influence - but the extent > of self-jamming on some of those audio channels WILL. > > The message IS getting out - somebody got a letter through to Radio > World about the self-jamming effect on cheap radios. > > I do have one card to play - I know someone in a high place, VERY > high, and he grew up in MIDLAND - where AM DX was a way of life. I > wonder if a word to the big man himself might do some good in > stopping this train wreck dead in its tracks. At least we might get > a high level investigation into the FCC out of it. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Nov 18 15:37:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69319 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 23:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2004 23:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 23:37:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 23:37:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 23:37:21 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3137 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 19:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2004 19:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 19:49:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 19:49:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2004 19:49:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:49:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1313 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.163 Subject: Re: FORD AM Stereo Car Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Nov 2004 23:36:54 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > > The point I was making Amy is that over a million brand new AM stereo > radios in cars are hitting the highways today where most listening to > AM takes place and yet the IBOC block wants to broadcast a system that > not only no one can receive but makes the station sound muddy on non > digital radios. All the more true, as it debunks the oft-repeated myth that there aren't any AMS radios available. There have been a continuous stream of AMS radios available to the generalk public ever since Sony introduced the SRF-A1 and 'A100 to the US market in 1983, and continues to this day. That there are some 15 MILLION AMS radios still in use today, with at least half being from newer cars, and more cars installed with AMS are still coming off the assembly line, just as you mentioned. There are about as much AMS receiver saturation as there are for MTS TV stereo. The difference is that AMS is largely untapped, or worse, thought so dead that stations have been ABANDONING AM stereo. This perception is what's killing AMS, and not the reality of it. Of course, there are still no aftermarket/retail radios, except for imported AMS radios from Japan. And this is where the myth comes in. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Nov 18 20:44:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90035 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 04:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2004 04:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14223.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 04:44:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 57296 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Nov 2004 04:44:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=yLmGSHyIjUJuwmzIAc6OLTBhO6rVCvEagJ8fcUvi3qaOGsaLt4XXdPtMMnUWltzuNAkz5/6WlIrRiqrrilJmo8zulzdXAf0tksWq20THBnBC/bnUXf9Cfx1twom9m6azTg4nB8g1iPPrGO41ccnDJa9Cagr5wBKOXWbUu3iowWE= ; Message-ID: <20041119044424.57294.qmail@web14223.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.0.194.48] by web14223.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:44:24 PST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:44:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.171.107 From: "John P." Subject: Lennox PR-35 Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Regarding questions about the cheap wideband Blue Walmart radios: These relatively wide-band extremely low-cost radios available from WalMart and Dollar General / Family Dollar stores for $5 (with headphones) contain a total of 5 I.F. can xfmrs; it appears to be '3-cans' for AM and 2 cans for FM. There is one single DIP 16-pin I.C. chip labelled #CD7613CP, along with 2 transistors and the usual assortment of related components. The Sony SRF-42 uses the Sony proprietary AM Stereo I.C. chipset. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 18 20:50:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91419 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 04:50:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2004 04:50:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 04:50:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 13607 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Nov 2004 04:49:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=6Jw3yuIknj+erOyYGDh1EGuCaL0QoM+N2D6FqWqzvIpdtmZFZ4qaGyU962lMR8IvDAdgZupP1FiwMVpoHYu7IjXY0wADxCz69UCuWUYaZFD2cLbmGExxpJ99Wc441c4kiZRzBvINTsi192wjppQ7hU0FvtA7gQU5wSYVCd44bzQ= ; Message-ID: <20041119044959.13605.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.81] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:49:59 PST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:49:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20041119044424.57294.qmail@web14223.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lennox PR-35 Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "John P." wrote: > Regarding questions about the cheap wideband Blue > Walmart radios: > > These relatively wide-band extremely low-cost radios > available from WalMart and > Dollar General / Family Dollar stores for $5 (with > headphones) contain a total > of 5 I.F. can xfmrs; it appears to be '3-cans' for > AM and 2 cans for FM. There > is one single DIP 16-pin I.C. chip labelled > #CD7613CP, along with 2 transistors > and the usual assortment of related components. > The Sony SRF-42 uses the Sony proprietary AM Stereo > I.C. chipset. I have a silver blue one, a GREEN one, A burgundy one....a YELLOW one...I do NOT have a purple one. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Nov 19 00:56:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64545 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 08:56:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2004 08:56:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 08:56:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2004 08:56:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2004 08:56:27 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50281 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 08:21:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2004 08:21:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 08:21:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2004 08:21:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2004 08:21:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:20:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3746 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.111 Subject: From the Golden Age of AM stereo... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 19 Nov 2004 08:56:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 Tonight, I thought I'd google the terms "XETRA", "stereo" and "Kahn" to see what I'd get. There are a few references of note, but I thought I's start off with a quote from Alex K.'s "Offenders of the Faith" page (http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/offenders.htm): > 690 XETRA in Tijuana, Mexico - Located near San Diego, California, > this 77,500 watt flamethrower (once known as Mighty 690), was a Top > 40 powerhouse in the early 80's. Actually, XETRA was the prototype > Kahn station going back to the late 60's. Known then as Beautiful > X-tra Music, they tested the latest version Kahn/Hazeltine exciters > and also used the Kahn PowerSIDE system for a time. The offset- > dial, two-radio Kahn stereo reception technique was published in > magazines like Popular Electronics showing how it was possible to > use two AM radios tuned to the upper and lower sidebands to receive > them in Kahn AM STEREO. During the late 80's, XETRA changed their > format to Oldies, but currently are running the XTRA Sports > format. (It is this one-time home to legendary DJ Wolfman Jack > where the infestation of the XTRA Sports format began on the AM > dial in 1991.) The use of the Kahn "PowerSIDE" has ceased as > well. Once again, we have Jacor to thank for all this. Further research and my own experience, is that XETRA was bought by Kahn specificly to use his AM stereo system, particularly in answer to the FCC that specificly forbade him from testing the Kahn ISB system in the United States. No, this wasn't the late '70s or mid '80s, but right after the 1959 AM stereo decision. While other systems continued testing and experimenting continuously up through 1965 (I think CBS' last attempt was around then), Kahn was specificly disallowed, so he looked into a Mexican border station, which was much more relaxed about such things than the FCC was. I've seen experimentation dates of 1960 and 1968 mentioned, but it should be noted that XETRA was indeed broadcasting ISB AM stereo CONTINUOUSLY from 1968 until the switch to sports in the late 1980s, at which point Kahn experimented with PowerSide until XETRA was bought up from Kahn Communications by Jacor, the present owners. I'm not sure who had longer continuous AMS service, KFI (1979-Jan. 1, 2001) or XETRA (1968-1990?), but I do know it did NOT start in 1982! I'm not sure even who was wired for stereo first (WNBC or WCBS), but WNBC didn't qualify for longest-serving AMS station, since they only used the AMS equipment during tests- Never continuously- although their studios had been wired for stereo all the way through their later AMS days before becoming WFAN. It's just interesting to note that had Leonard Kahn not been the same Kahn we all know today- quite literally, he hasn't changed- we might have had AM stereo by 1960. Yes, it was his behavior that effectively scuttled AM stereo. (The original goal was to have AM, FM and TV stereo debut around the same time, commercially. Only FM stereo got off the ground, and even that was a particularly ugly battle. TV stereo was too inconclusive because most of the commercial effort had been towards AM and FM stereo, each of which had 5-7 systems proposed, leaving TV stereo an afterthought with about three systems.) Kahn did not invent single-carrier AM stereo- This preceded him by a quarter century before his first demonstrations in 1953, after the Crosby FM stereo demonstrations, but of the first AMS race, he did fire off the first patents for his ISB systems by 1955. (The first 4 AM stereo patents were filed within days in 1925 by AT&T and Western Electric- Both filing QuAM and ISB systems.) Things might've been very different, today. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 19 01:00:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20189 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 09:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2004 09:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 09:00:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2004 08:59:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2004 08:59:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:59:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 304 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.1 Subject: Fixer-upper SRF-A100 on eBay for cheap X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Buy It Now price on this one is $65.00... in working condition, these radios now rarely sell for less than $200 to $300, so if you're good with electronics, you might luck out on this one -- heck, it includes the factory service manual! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5732802968 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 19 10:53:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65223 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 18:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2004 18:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 18:53:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2004 18:53:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2004 18:53:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:53:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041119044959.13605.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 271 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.10 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lennox PR-35 Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have a silver blue one, a GREEN one, A burgundy > one....a YELLOW one...I do NOT have a purple one. Who said the "Flavoradio" is dead!? And the neat thing is, these Lennox Sound radios actually cost less and work better than any Radio Shack Flavoradio ever did. From Bossmsx@aol.com Fri Nov 19 11:42:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46259 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 19:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2004 19:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 19:42:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2004 19:42:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2004 19:42:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:42:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 646 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Re: Fixer-upper SRF-A100 on eBay for cheap X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > Buy It Now price on this one is $65.00... Yeah, what is it with this one?? Poor guy (or gal?) has been trying to sell it for weeks, first with a "Buy It Now" of 75, now it's at 65, and no takers...I think it works fine on the AM band (and isn't that what an A100 is for, really?), just the FM band does not work completely...You'd think it would still fetch a good price. Heck, my first A100 was missing a speaker grille and required soldier work, and I grabbed it as if it were the "Last Coca Cola In The Desert" (Cuban saying I've translated to English). Must be that everyone that wanted an A100 has one, I guess. Tony S/Miami. From brian60420@yahoo.com Fri Nov 19 13:40:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95461 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 21:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2004 21:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 21:40:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2004 21:39:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2004 21:39:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:39:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 818 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "brian60420" X-Originating-IP: 207.43.195.205 Subject: Re: Fixer-upper SRF-A100 on eBay for cheap X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 I've got mine and it's always tuned to AM Stereo 890 WLS..... brian --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > > Buy It Now price on this one is $65.00... > > Yeah, what is it with this one?? Poor guy (or gal?) has been trying > to sell it for weeks, first with a "Buy It Now" of 75, now it's at > 65, and no takers...I think it works fine on the AM band (and isn't > that what an A100 is for, really?), just the FM band does not work > completely...You'd think it would still fetch a good price. Heck, my > first A100 was missing a speaker grille and required soldier work, > and I grabbed it as if it were the "Last Coca Cola In The Desert" > (Cuban saying I've translated to English). > > Must be that everyone that wanted an A100 has one, I guess. > > Tony S/Miami. From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Nov 19 14:16:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74538 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 22:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2004 22:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.172.125) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 22:16:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:16:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.112 by BAY5-DAV21.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:15:43 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:15:43 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2004 22:16:00.0966 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A07F660:01C4CE85] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.172.125 From: "Norbert 26" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.112] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fixer-upper SRF-A100 on eBay for cheap X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 If i just found the right one the FM worked fine but the AM stereo did not = work. Also there was a bid for $50 on it so he BIN must have been knocked o= ut. Only one sony A100 came up in the search. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Nov 19 19:47:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29216 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2004 03:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2004 03:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2004 03:47:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 8199 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Nov 2004 03:47:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=qvU7NM34iPREBA4xUPHGEhjKPBMITq9gJrg4DccMqFEbMst1dhsTp2Dn92DKHFssi9XiwbTTLjv9OW2vwrvPENeEM11O3JcfU7r78AD91MTzWcBWUi8LRtoP+Vo8nCqRcBNRpjlRwWNb0WLmk1uq6slCPwiEhtOPm/95pxVPFXE= ; Message-ID: <20041120034720.8197.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.0.194.48] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:47:20 PST Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:47:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.70 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Fixer-upper SRF-A100 on eBay for cheap X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Reread the description: I believe it said that the AM was bad and the FM worked, which is why nobody wants it just for FM, but rather wished that the AM stereo worked. Where they are in Michigan they could easily test it on WJR and CFCO during the day. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 19 21:41:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7056 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2004 05:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2004 05:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51602.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.207) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2004 05:41:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 69987 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Nov 2004 05:41:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=gfpFQrTO5sFMvYHRm7e3XBDMioL9WcaQLvzTTJY4NV1I+eIUTDSYO5lx8jR4Vg7O3YsvSmrcflCNN3mDM0retPuRROdA3w8cz8IxOQi5a+uyuJS0FxU7NRbEuntbnqVjFOXreVLezOad26Qy0NWR2nJisSfwqPr5eZLpX5aHrDU= ; Message-ID: <20041120054152.69982.qmail@web51602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.76.4] by web51602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:41:52 PST Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:41:52 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, broadcast@broadcast.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.207 From: "Kevin T." Subject: More AM bandwidth ramblings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The current issue of Radio World has an article about the controversial push to implement reduced AM audio bandwidth, as well as an editorial by "Guy Wire" on the subject: http://www.radioworld.com/reference-room/special-report/03_rw_am.shtml http://www.radioworld.com/reference-room/guywire/gw-11-18-04.shtml Personally, I hesistate to give any credit to the anecdotal reports about 5 kHz AM bandwidth reducing interference or "improving" the sound of typical AM radios, because of the "placebo effect" and because of the highly subjective nature of these reports. Unbiased testing needs to be done -- hopefully using more than just a handful of receivers, like with the IBOC tests. And what about Canada and Mexico? Any claimed improvements in adjacent- channel reception will be negated if listeners in the northern and southern portions of the country are still subjected to interference from foreign stations who haven't implemented any bandwidth reduction. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From malm@bis.midco.net Fri Nov 19 22:11:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: malm@bis.midco.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71373 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2004 06:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2004 06:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2004 06:11:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2004 06:10:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2004 06:10:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 06:10:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 512 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "n0faz" X-Originating-IP: 24.220.169.27 Subject: Looking for GM radio info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=165690761 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0faz I would like to swap out the AM/FM cassette in my 97 Yukon with a another factory unit that has a CD player. My current setup has the slave CD player. I'd like to find something that has AMS, but have not been able to find any information on what GM units have AMS. Does anyone here have some knoledge of what units haave AMS and which don't? There must be a list posted somewhere on the web. I've read that some of the late 90's Olds Bravadas had AM stereo. Any information would be appreciated. Mark From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Nov 20 04:57:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44207 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2004 12:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2004 12:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.136) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2004 12:57:48 -0000 Received: from storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id B254BD609; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 04:57:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA23020; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 04:57:46 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAh2f5iThW1djJ5UbxrPitgIMMFpMCFQCYg2tKIEGranAJvJTL4bJRalsdng== Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 06:57:46 -0600 To: abdx@abdx.org Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <18429-419F3F4A-259@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones)'s message of Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:35:49 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.136 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Radio Merger in the Works!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 A new radio merger was announced this week that will affect radio stations here in the Upper Midwest. Here's the story that appeared in the Omaha World-Herald. Dateline Omaha RADIO MERGER Omaha based Waitt Radio said Wednesday it plans to merge with Cedar Rapids, Iowa based NewRadio Group. If given FCC approval, the merger will form a new entity consisting of 89 radio stations and the Waitt Radio Network. Joint operations are expected to begin by Jan 1st, 2005. Waitt radio owns 24 radio stations in Nebraska, 15 in Iowa, 14 in Kansas, 3 in Minnesota. and 6 in South Dakota as well as the Waitt Radio Network with Headquarters in Omaha. ( Omaha area stations include 1290 KKAR, 1020 KOIL , 1620 KOZN, 1180 KYDZ, 98.5 KQKQ-FM, 101.9 KLTQ-FM, 97.3 KBLR-FM ) ( They also own Channel 14 KMEG- TV in Sioux City, Iowa ) NewRadio Group owns 20 radio stations in Wisconsin and 7 in Illinois. --- AP Keeping you informed..... I am Bill Snyder Omaha, NE BS-NE BS- NE 1 Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Nov 20 10:46:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1475 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2004 18:46:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2004 18:46:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2004 18:46:47 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.188]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:46:43 -0700 Message-ID: <003d01c4cf31$aa403be0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:49:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2004 18:46:44.0581 (UTC) FILETIME=[48416950:01C4CF31] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for GM radio info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If you have an AM stereo station or at least an Alfredo Lite transmitter you can tote around with you, your best bet is to go to some salvage yards and have them hook a few up and try them out. The ones most likely to have it will have a five band graphic equalizer. Others may have the chip inside, but you'd need a schematic to figure out where to add the parts (mostly SMD stuff.) Downtown Radio in Denver should be able to copy them for you for a fee. Also, seems to me there was a salvage yard that sells stuff on the net and actually notes AM stereo on radios that have it. I lost the info some time ago- does anyone remember the url? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "n0faz" > I would like to swap out the AM/FM cassette in my 97 Yukon with a > another factory unit that has a CD player. My current setup has the > slave CD player. I'd like to find something that has AMS, but have > not been able to find any information on what GM units have AMS. > Does anyone here have some knoledge of what units haave AMS and > which don't? There must be a list posted somewhere on the web. > I've read that some of the late 90's Olds Bravadas had AM stereo. > Any information would be appreciated. From zebra@strangeanimals.net Sat Nov 20 13:21:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79417 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2004 21:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2004 21:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2004 21:21:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2004 21:20:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2004 21:20:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:20:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 506 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "amradiozebra" X-Originating-IP: 67.164.23.118 Subject: Am bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra I frankly think I'm on the side of the 5KHz people. At least for nighttime. That would do much to improve things for DX at least. And while we are at it, how about phaselocking the transmitter oscillators to a better frequency standard? No reason why we cant implement soft locking to a standard like WWV for example. Maybe a 1KHz signal from "the bird" that can be PLL'd up to the transmitter frequency reference or SOMEthing to get rid of the wobbly wars between two stations on the same frequency. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Nov 20 15:06:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61886 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2004 23:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2004 23:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2004 23:06:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2004 23:06:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2004 23:06:09 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18931 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2004 22:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2004 22:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2004 22:00:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2004 21:59:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2004 21:59:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:59:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1498 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: Am bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Nov 2004 23:06:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amradiozebra" wrote: > > I frankly think I'm on the side of the 5KHz people. > At least for nighttime. > That would do much to improve things for DX at least. > And while we are at it, how about phaselocking the transmitter > oscillators to a better frequency standard? No reason why we cant > implement soft locking to a standard like WWV for example. Maybe a > 1KHz signal from "the bird" that can be PLL'd up to the transmitter > frequency reference or SOMEthing to get rid of the wobbly wars > between two stations on the same frequency. While I am in the 10kHz plus crowd, I could see how 5kHz at night could be an improvement to cut back interference. However, I would still like to be able to have a recever-side option for wider bandwidth for when I'm in the station's local coverage area (for example up to 15 or even 20 kHz (or half the distance between local channels of comparable or greater signal strength, whichever is less), and use 5kHz audio for pulling out distant stations near strong ones. What about having receiver manufacturers, besides including AM Stereo (and for those of you that MUST have it, IBOC), and DRM, include 6-element 450 (or 455) kHz ceramic IF filters? I've seen some that look pretty good - for example one that's 6dB down at 10kHz could be 50dB down at 20kHz with a 45 to 60dB stop band attenuation. That seems like it ought to be decent selectivity vs audio bandwidth for a $10 to $15 radio. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 20 22:10:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55712 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2004 06:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2004 06:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 06:10:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2004 06:10:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2004 06:10:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 06:10:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2414 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.8 Subject: CRL AM Stereo Matrix Processor improvement mod X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I just devised this simple and very effective modification for anyone using the CRL SMP-950 AM Stereo Matrix Processor. This modification can be applied to other CRL processors using the same basic design, such as the SMP-900 series, and the PMC-400/450 (CRL's monaural AM processor series); consult the schematics for your particular model to determine the appropriate revisions. SYMPTOM: Increasing the G/R (gain reduction) and Limiting controls beyond a moderate level results in unacceptably distorted audio. PROBLEM: The output of the multi-band limiter is overdriving the clipper, which causes clipping distortion and prevents the limiter (which, by itself, rarely produces any distortion even at its highest setting) from being fully utilized. SOLUTION: Reduce the output gain of the multi-band limiter, by substituting a smaller-value resistor in the feedback loop of the limiter summing amp IC's. PROCEDURE: 1. Locate the feedback resistors used by summing amp IC's; on the SMP-950, these are R118 for the L+R channel and R233 for the L-R channel -- both 681k resistors, as factory-installed. (On the mono PMC-series models, there will only be one of these.) 2. Reducing the value of these resistors reduces the output gain of the summing amps. I found a value of 470k to be best. Remove the aforementioned resistors and replace each of them with a 470k resistor. This can also be done without soldering: a. Use wire cutters to remove each existing onboard resistor b. Temporarily remove the summing amp IC's (U17 and U29 on the SMP-950) c. Insert the ends of the new 470k resistor into pins 1 and 2 of the socket of each summing amp IC d. Replace the summing amp IC's, so that the socket holds both the new resistor and the IC itself. RESULT: Higher levels of gain reduction and limiting can now be used, without causing objectionable clipping distortion. In fact, this makes the processor effective enough that it can be used by itself, without any pre-processing, and will still produce competitive on-air loudness. And if you do use pre-processing, such as the traditional CRL chain including the Spectral Energy Compressor, you can disable the SMP's built-in AGC by removing the large "black-box" CRL chip. This allows the Matrix Processor (or equivalent mono unit) to function only as a limiter and clipper and eliminates a redundant layer of compression. From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Nov 21 12:25:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36297 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2004 20:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2004 20:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.136) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 20:25:40 -0000 Received: from storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 8B7B2D6D4 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:25:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id MAA00765; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:25:35 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRHOP06faonZGAsSAQnKvZ15pjDZQIUCygTOwLVDqWL3KYcTllsFTcfS8Y= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:25:35 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <6949-41A0F9BF-3034@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 21 Nov 2004 20:12:08 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.136 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1389 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have some model info on OLDER GM Delco AM/ST radios like 1985 up to about 1995, but not any newer ones. Seems that my employer WAS a Delco repair center up to about 1995, and we still have some of the old dealer guide info books stashed away in a secret location. Some of this is very hard info to come by, and is irreplaceable... Sorry that I can't help on a 1997, IF the radio HAS an AM/Stereo button, that is a good sign!! Scott Todd has the right idea although, Hook it up, put the radio on a known AMS station (If you still have one in in your locality) OR skywave DX and see what happens. Most of the Pre- 1993 Delcos tune to about 1620, My only local AM Stereo pilot station is on 1620. Bill Snyder Omaha, NE Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 21 14:43:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98896 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2004 22:43:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2004 22:43:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 22:43:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2004 22:43:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2004 22:43:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:43:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 561 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.128 Subject: WIND says no to IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As reported here recently, 560 WIND in Chicago discontinued their IBOC broadcasts upon being sold to Salem. And here is a bit more of an explanation, as posted to the Radio-Tech list: =============================== [RT] IBOC and CQuAM Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:08:26 EST Regarding Salem and IBOC...as soon to be Chief of WIND I found it a bit senseless to continue with IBOC on WIND as a "News/Talk" station... how many humans have a "stereo" voice?...and as mentioned, the IBOC trashed our sister station on 540Khz in Jackson, Wisconsin. Dave Dybas From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Nov 21 15:47:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50420 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2004 23:47:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2004 23:47:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 23:47:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2004 23:45:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2004 23:45:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:45:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 190 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.1.21 Subject: Fwd: France Bleu in MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforumeurope@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: Just noticed the c-quam carrier is off tonight, wonder if this is permannant ? --- End forwarded message --- From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Nov 22 06:19:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 143 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2004 14:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2004 14:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2004 14:19:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2004 14:18:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2004 14:18:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:18:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 110 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.94.94.105 Subject: Re: Am bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter If they can put them in wireless mice that sell for $5 on occasion, they can afford to put them in $5 radios From cbreton27@hotmail.com Mon Nov 22 11:06:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80630 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2004 19:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2004 19:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2004 19:06:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:05:04 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 69.157.141.26 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:04:01 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:04:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2004 19:05:04.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C9104E0:01C4D0C6] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.51 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.141.26] Subject: sony wm-gx612 recording walkman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 I need help !! I purchased that walkman from a guy on ebay a few months ago. It work really well but in the city fm reception is overloading... in some part of my city it's tough to get the local fm station. Am reception is good but no ams... Anybody knows what i have to do?? Chris From sub50@shortwavelog.com Mon Nov 22 12:17:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: sub50@shortwavelog.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95370 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2004 20:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2004 20:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2004 20:17:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2004 20:17:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2004 20:17:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:17:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 416 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Robert Sillett" X-Originating-IP: 209.195.176.173 Subject: Re: France Bleu in MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193863496 X-Yahoo-Profile: sillett I hope it's not permanent. France Bleu sounds great in C-Quam. Please keep us informed if they do or do not come back on in stereo. Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforumeurope@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" > wrote: > > Just noticed the c-quam carrier is off tonight, wonder if this is > permannant ? > --- End forwarded message --- From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Nov 22 12:18:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83596 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2004 20:18:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2004 20:18:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2004 20:18:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2004 20:18:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2004 20:18:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:18:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 395 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.1.21 Subject: Re: Fwd: France Bleu in MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I am wrong about this, the c-quam decoder on my JX-220a is now not working for some reason. What would cause this ? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforumeurope@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" > wrote: > > Just noticed the c-quam carrier is off tonight, wonder if this is > permannant ? > --- End forwarded message --- From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Nov 22 12:21:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79128 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2004 20:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2004 20:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2004 20:21:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2004 20:21:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2004 20:21:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:21:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 614 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.1.21 Subject: Re: France Bleu in MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan It's still stereo it's my Sony tuner which has decided to not decode stereo now :-( --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Sillett" wrote: > > I hope it's not permanent. France Bleu sounds great in C-Quam. > Please keep us informed if they do or do not come back on in stereo. > > Bob > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforumeurope@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" > > wrote: > > > > Just noticed the c-quam carrier is off tonight, wonder if this is > > permannant ? > > --- End forwarded message --- From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Nov 22 13:31:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 39832 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2004 21:31:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2004 21:31:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2004 21:31:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2004 21:30:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2004 21:30:23 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34667 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2004 20:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2004 20:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2004 20:07:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2004 20:06:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2004 20:06:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:06:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 487 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.16 Subject: Re: sony wm-gx612 recording walkman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 22 Nov 2004 21:30:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "christian breton" wrote: > I need help !! > > > I purchased that walkman from a guy on ebay a few months ago. It work really > well but in the city fm reception is overloading... in some part of my city > it's tough to get the local fm station. Am reception is good but no ams... > > Anybody knows what i have to do?? Use some other FM radio. Sony's FM sections on their AMS radios are notoriously bad. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Nov 22 13:34:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43113 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2004 21:34:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2004 21:34:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2004 21:34:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2004 21:33:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2004 21:33:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:33:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 287 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.144 Subject: Re: sony wm-gx612 recording walkman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I purchased that walkman from a guy on ebay a few months ago. It > work really well but in the city fm reception is overloading... > in some part of my city it's tough to get the local fm station. If it has a DX/LOCAL switch, put it in LOCAL mode (sometimes abbreviated LOC or LO). From cbreton27@hotmail.com Mon Nov 22 13:56:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30867 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2004 21:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2004 21:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2004 21:56:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:56:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 69.157.141.26 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:55:17 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:55:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2004 21:56:02.0497 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EED5B10:01C4D0DE] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.67 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.141.26] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: sony wm-gx612 recording walkman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi Kevin, No i don't have a switch local-dx unfortunetaly... >From: "Amy Mousie" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: sony wm-gx612 recording walkman >Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:06:40 -0000 > > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "christian breton" > wrote: > > I need help !! > > > > > > I purchased that walkman from a guy on ebay a few months ago. It >work really > > well but in the city fm reception is overloading... in some part of >my city > > it's tough to get the local fm station. Am reception is good but no >ams... > > > > Anybody knows what i have to do?? > >Use some other FM radio. Sony's FM sections on their AMS radios are >notoriously bad. > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Nov 22 15:11:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24363 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2004 23:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2004 23:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2004 23:11:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2004 23:10:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2004 23:10:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:10:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 896 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.144 Subject: FWD: AM Stereo at WLPA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This was posted to the Radio-Tech list a few days ago... I offered to donate my working BE AX-10 exciter to them in exchange for their dead one, but so far no response. Perhaps someone else here might like to offer some assistance in getting WLPA back on the air in AM Stereo. ============================================================== [RT] AM Stereo Edd Monskie Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:43:43 -0500 Our WLPA (AM) has been operating in stereo since December, 1984, first with Motorola gear. The BE CQUAM exciter has been in place since we built a new AM site, about 1988 and finally went nuts about two weeks ago. We are running sports talk so there was no real reason to keep it on before, but we did. Figured I would keep it stereo as long as the BE kept running. Two weeks ago, the BE was unplugged and the Nautel mono-module was plugged in. Good-bye AM stereo. Edd Monskie From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Nov 22 17:00:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5311 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2004 01:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2004 01:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2004 01:00:03 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAN0xx7O046477 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:00:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <41A28AFE.8050701@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:57:34 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} FWD: AM Stereo at WLPA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Actually he did reply kevin He said if you want to ship it to him He could always use another Tire Chock.. I asked what he was going to do with the Dead transmitter. I was looking to rebuild it LOL I never got a reply back. Neal Kevin T. wrote: >This was posted to the Radio-Tech list a few days ago... I offered to >donate my working BE AX-10 exciter to them in exchange for their dead >one, but so far no response. Perhaps someone else here might like to >offer some assistance in getting WLPA back on the air in AM Stereo. > > >============================================================== > >[RT] AM Stereo > >Edd Monskie >Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:43:43 -0500 > >Our WLPA (AM) has been operating in stereo since December, 1984, >first with Motorola gear. The BE CQUAM exciter has been in place >since we built a new AM site, about 1988 and finally went nuts about >two weeks ago. We are running sports talk so there was no real reason >to keep it on before, but we did. Figured I would keep it stereo as >long as the BE kept running. Two weeks ago, the BE was unplugged and >the Nautel mono-module was plugged in. >Good-bye AM stereo. > >Edd Monskie > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Nov 23 02:41:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66156 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2004 10:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2004 10:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.13) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2004 10:41:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 02:40:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.255.72.78 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:39:43 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:39:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2004 10:40:02.0126 (UTC) FILETIME=[C979A6E0:01C4D148] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.13 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.255.72.78] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: sony wm-gx612 recording walkman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane If the walkman doesn't have an external rod antenna, it uses the headphones for the antenna. If so, try using different headphones. This may help a little (probably very little). Paul Crane >From: "christian breton" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: sony wm-gx612 recording walkman >Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:55:17 -0500 > >Hi Kevin, > > >No i don't have a switch local-dx unfortunetaly... > > >From: "Amy Mousie" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: {AMSF} Re: sony wm-gx612 recording walkman > >Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:06:40 -0000 > > > > > > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "christian breton" > > wrote: > > > I need help !! > > > > > > > > > I purchased that walkman from a guy on ebay a few months ago. It > >work really > > > well but in the city fm reception is overloading... in some part of > >my city > > > it's tough to get the local fm station. Am reception is good but no > >ams... > > > > > > Anybody knows what i have to do?? > > > >Use some other FM radio. Sony's FM sections on their AMS radios are > >notoriously bad. > > > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Nov 23 10:48:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15124 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2004 18:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2004 18:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2004 18:48:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2004 18:47:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2004 18:47:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:47:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 820 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.20 Subject: New AM station in NH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From the Northeast Radio Watch... sounds like the perfect opportunity for AM Stereo to be used: ======================================================== There's a brand-new radio station on the air in NEW HAMPSHIRE as of Friday (Nov. 19), as Bob Vinikoor flips the switch to launch WUVR (1490 Lebanon) onto the Upper Valley's airwaves. WUVR is the first AM station licensed to Lebanon, and Bob tells us it's operating from a Nautel XL-1 transmitter and a Kintronics folded unipole tower, with the site designed by Bill Sitzman and engineered by Russ McAllister. For now, it's simulcasting Bob's talk station, WNTK (99.7 New London) - but when Bob gets sister station WQTH (720 Hanover) on the air in the next year or so, he hopes to make WUVR a good old full-service community station for Lebanon. Neat... From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue Nov 23 17:01:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5620 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2004 01:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2004 01:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2004 01:01:06 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.59]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:00:41 -0700 Message-ID: <002d01c4d1c1$6bddae40$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:03:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Nov 2004 01:00:41.0845 (UTC) FILETIME=[05257250:01C4D1C1] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM station in NH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That XL-1 could be a problem. IIRC Jeff Welton said that depending upon frequency, some couldn't be made to work with AMS without some modifications. Otherwise that station would be a far more worthy candidate of your offer of that stereo generator. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > From the Northeast Radio Watch... sounds like the perfect opportunity > for AM Stereo to be used: > > ======================================================== > > There's a brand-new radio station on the air in NEW HAMPSHIRE as of > Friday (Nov. 19), as Bob Vinikoor flips the switch to launch WUVR > (1490 Lebanon) onto the Upper Valley's airwaves. > > WUVR is the first AM station licensed to Lebanon, and Bob tells us > it's operating from a Nautel XL-1 transmitter and a Kintronics folded > unipole tower, with the site designed by Bill Sitzman and engineered > by Russ McAllister. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Nov 23 19:35:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69110 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2004 03:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2004 03:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2004 03:35:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2004 03:35:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2004 03:35:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 03:35:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 642 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.20 Subject: Re: New AM station in NH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > For now, it's simulcasting Bob's talk station, WNTK (99.7 New > London) - but when Bob gets sister station WQTH (720 Hanover) on > the air in the next year or so, he hopes to make WUVR a good old > full-service community station for Lebanon. Neat... BTW, I wouldn't want to be that station on 720 kHz when 710 WOR fires up their IBOC at night. According to the FCC database, WQTH will be a healthy 50 kW during the daytime, but only 500 watts at night, through a 4-tower directional pattern. They originally had an application for 1700 watts nighttime, but that was planned as a 6-tower array which probably ran into NIMBY issues. From brian60420@yahoo.com Tue Nov 23 21:33:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53635 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2004 05:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2004 05:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2004 05:33:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2004 05:32:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2004 05:32:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:32:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041120054152.69982.qmail@web51602.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2686 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "brian60420" X-Originating-IP: 69.47.149.145 Subject: Re: More AM bandwidth ramblings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Oh my gosh, I've never seen someone so full of himself. This "Guy Wire", (whoever that is) is so far out the real world, it's not even funny. Anyone who claims that, "...consumers voted the MP3 as CD-quality long ago" is wrong and that "...5 kHz AM and the hybrid HD Radio transition phase paves the way to an all-digital AM future" is wrong and must be on the Ibiquity payroll. I fully disagree with a 5kHz philosophy during the daytime. I fully disagree with a hybrid HD Radio transition. THE HYBRID SOLUTION WILL NOT WORK, IT'S BEING PROVEN ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. IBOC is being turned off again. This time at WIND in Chicago. Why should AM get a hybrid solution? Why should IBOC get preference? TV gets a full transition to digital with HDTV. New channels and new technology. Why can't AM get the same treatment? New airwaves and new technology. The FCC really has no concrete plans for a full transition to digital MW. All they have is some corporate giant beating them over the head with one idea and a boatload of cash. While many of you may think that 5kHz mono is a great idea, just remember that no other medium for entertainment is dumbing itself down just to please some "high tech geeks on the other side of the glass". "Guy Wire" is out of mainstream thought if he thinks that consumers enjoy listening to low-fi mud. I'd take a 50KW AM Stereo at 15kHz bandwidth any day over some digital delayed simulation. brian --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > The current issue of Radio World has an article about the controversial > push to implement reduced AM audio bandwidth, as well as an editorial by > "Guy Wire" on the subject: > > http://www.radioworld.com/reference-room/special- report/03_rw_am.shtml > http://www.radioworld.com/reference-room/guywire/gw-11-18-04.shtml > > Personally, I hesistate to give any credit to the anecdotal reports about > 5 kHz AM bandwidth reducing interference or "improving" the sound of > typical AM radios, because of the "placebo effect" and because of the > highly subjective nature of these reports. Unbiased testing needs to be > done -- hopefully using more than just a handful of receivers, like with > the IBOC tests. > > And what about Canada and Mexico? Any claimed improvements in adjacent- > channel reception will be negated if listeners in the northern and southern > portions of the country are still subjected to interference from foreign > stations who haven't implemented any bandwidth reduction. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > http://my.yahoo.com From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Nov 24 04:49:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94217 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2004 12:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2004 12:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2004 12:49:52 -0000 Received: from storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id C35B3D5F5; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 04:49:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA04798; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 04:49:39 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAx5H+Td3n85V20v7I57lCueCFz0QCFHwEv33/WhFKHqI/6S9ewPKTLq6S Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:49:39 -0600 To: abdx@abdx.org Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <18436-41A48363-2488@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" 's message of Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:00:12 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.138 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [ABDX] - Suggestion for the next CME X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 How about a christmas music Coordinated Monitoring Event ( CME) around Christmas weekend, with special bonuses for talk stations " deviating " from the normal format, and doing the un thinkable... Playing MUSIC on the AM band !!! Special Bonus points If you catch them in Beautiful Motorola C-Quam AM Stereo!!! Already the two lite rock FM stations in town 96.1 and 101.9 are running 24/7 Xmas Music, and KOMJ 590 will likely start up soon. KFAB 1110 usually does the Christmas Music routine on the 24th and 25th. P.S. > XM will have 4 channels of Christmas music this year, a channel for every mood. Bill Snyder Omaha, NE Ohhh!! HAPPY THANKSGIVING !! Everybody... Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Wed Nov 24 04:57:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56954 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2004 12:57:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2004 12:57:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.190) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2004 12:57:35 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 04:57:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.41.245.178 by BAY22-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:56:10 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:56:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Nov 2004 12:57:03.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[18174E60:01C4D225] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.190 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.41.245.178] Subject: Need Manuals for CRL AMS Processing Chain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I have a Complete AMS CRL Audio chain consisting of the following SPP800, SEP400a (x2), SMP900. I am in need of manuals. specifically how to install and what the settings do as well as schematics Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] http://www.freecycle.org From kya1260@lycos.com Wed Nov 24 08:43:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42599 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2004 16:43:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2004 16:43:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2004 16:43:46 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id E049D1800356 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:42:41 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 24 Nov 2004 16:42:39 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9AF8DCA095; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:42:39 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:42:39 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: brian60420@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:42:39 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20041124164239.9AF8DCA095@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Jay Arnold" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.95.242 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: More AM bandwidth ramblings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Happy Thanksgiving, y'all! Even to "Guy Wire" A curious P.S. - Being I'm from a DJ standpoint, with little technical=20 prowess, I wonder: if "Guy Wire" (in the Radio World guest editorial=20 recently) truly believes what he says about the benefits of 5-kc bandwidth,= WHY does he have to use an alias as a signature to his=20 belief? Based on all the comments I've read from the various sources of late, almos= t all of them here in the AM-Stereo Forum, it seems like there'll always be= a problem with ANY transition from the present technical=20 stage of AM radio, long as you have the daytime/nighttime scenario... I agree with Brian - why convert to low-fi mud?=20 WHY should AM radio be compromised?=20 As accurately mentioned earlier, IBOC is all about money...let's just watch the rest of the AM listenership dwindle to a precious few that will be willing to put up with the "bacon-frying" effect and/or mud, depending on whatever receiver they have handy... And the average Jane and Joe - apparently, just like during the AM Stereo phases - will not make a concerted effort to get the specific (and, likely, pricier) receivers that'll make listening=20 to the "new" AM better; they'll just stick with the cheaply-made=20 AM radios that are much more readily available - period... Sorry to end my note on a crashing thud - but that Guy Wire opine didn't help... --Jay ---- Original Message ----- From: "brian60420" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: More AM bandwidth ramblings Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:32:41 -0000 >=20 >=20 > Oh my gosh, I've never seen someone so full of himself. This "Guy=20 > Wire", (whoever that is) is so far out the real world, it's not even=20 > funny. >=20 > Anyone who claims that,=20 > "...consumers voted the MP3 as CD-quality long ago" is wrong=20 > and that=20 > "...5 kHz AM and the hybrid HD Radio transition phase paves the way=20 > to an all-digital AM future" is wrong and must be on the Ibiquity=20 > payroll. >=20 > I fully disagree with a 5kHz philosophy during the daytime. I fully=20 > disagree with a hybrid HD Radio transition. THE HYBRID SOLUTION WILL=20 > NOT WORK, IT'S BEING PROVEN ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. IBOC is being=20 > turned off again. This time at WIND in Chicago. >=20 > Why should AM get a hybrid solution? Why should IBOC get preference?=20 > TV gets a full transition to digital with HDTV. New channels and new=20 > technology. Why can't AM get the same treatment? New airwaves and new=20 > technology. The FCC really has no concrete plans for a full=20 > transition to digital MW. All they have is some corporate giant=20 > beating them over the head with one idea and a boatload of cash. >=20 > While many of you may think that 5kHz mono is a great idea, just=20 > remember that no other medium for entertainment is dumbing itself=20 > down just to please some "high tech geeks on the other side of the=20 > glass".=20 >=20 > "Guy Wire" is out of mainstream thought if he thinks that consumers=20 > enjoy listening to low-fi mud. I'd take a 50KW AM Stereo at 15kHz=20 > bandwidth any day over some digital delayed simulation. >=20 > brian=20=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 > wrote: > > The current issue of Radio World has an article about the=20 > controversial > > push to implement reduced AM audio bandwidth, as well as an=20 > editorial by > > "Guy Wire" on the subject: > >=20 > > http://www.radioworld.com/reference-room/special- > report/03_rw_am.shtml > > http://www.radioworld.com/reference-room/guywire/gw-11-18-04.shtml > >=20 > > Personally, I hesistate to give any credit to the anecdotal reports=20 > about > > 5 kHz AM bandwidth reducing interference or "improving" the sound of > > typical AM radios, because of the "placebo effect" and because of=20 > the > > highly subjective nature of these reports. Unbiased testing needs=20 > to be > > done -- hopefully using more than just a handful of receivers, like=20 > with > > the IBOC tests. > >=20 > > And what about Canada and Mexico? Any claimed improvements in=20 > adjacent- > > channel reception will be negated if listeners in the northern and=20 > southern > > portions of the country are still subjected to interference from=20 > foreign > > stations who haven't implemented any bandwidth reduction. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=09=09 > > __________________________________=20 > > Do you Yahoo!?=20 > > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today!=20 > > http://my.yahoo.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From tomray@wor710.com Wed Nov 24 09:18:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5412 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2004 17:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2004 17:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2004 17:18:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2004 17:18:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2004 17:18:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:17:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 814 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: New AM station in NH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > BTW, I wouldn't want to be that station on 720 kHz when 710 WOR fires > up their IBOC at night. Actually, Bob is a good friend, and he and I have been discussing the possibility of his purchasing WOR's DX-50. He doesn't seem to be concerned about our IBOC operation. >They originally had an > application for 1700 watts nighttime, but that was planned as a > 6-tower array which probably ran into NIMBY issues. Go back in the Radio World archives....not only NIMBY issues, but a vague zoning regulation passed after the fact that limited tower height to 40 feet! The court battle that followed was a precident setter for this type of stuff. This has been a long time in coming for Bob, and I wish him well. Tom Ray WOR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Nov 24 14:55:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60599 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2004 22:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2004 22:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2004 22:55:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2004 22:54:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2004 22:54:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:54:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1442 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.8 Subject: Re: Need Manuals for CRL AMS Processing Chain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have a Complete AMS CRL Audio chain consisting of the following > SPP800, SEP400a (x2), SMP900. > I am in need of manuals. specifically how to install and what the > settings do as well as schematics You can get the manuals from CRL, but they'll cost you $40 each, and other places that sell radio equipment manuals seem to charge the same. But we can help you with any basic setup questions you might have, as these units aren't all that complicated. In fact, just through simple experimentation you can get a good idea of what each knob and switch does. I would recommend, though, that you set up and test each unit separately, before putting it all together as a chain... i.e., first get the SPP set up and sounding good, then work on each additional unit you want to put in your audio chain. Also, you may run into some trouble because the SEP's you have are mono units which are not designed to be stereo-linked... thus, when using a pair of them to process the Left and Right channels independently, this may result in the stereo image "wandering around" on songs with prominent stereo separation. So, you might want to put them aside for the moment, and just get the SPP and SMP set up; as a pair, they make a fairly good-sounding processing chain. In fact, that's what our friends at 1240 KEVA use for their processing -- an SPP-800 Stereo Preparation Processor and an SMP-900 AM Stereo Matrix Processor. From kya1260@lycos.com Wed Nov 24 15:28:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95043 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2004 23:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2004 23:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2004 23:28:45 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 04E48180022B for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:28:45 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 24 Nov 2004 23:28:44 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B139D86B0D; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:28:44 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [68.125.55.37] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:28:44 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: brian60420@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:28:44 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20041124232844.B139D86B0D@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Jay Arnold" X-Originating-IP: 68.125.55.37 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: More AM bandwidth ramblings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Oh, one more inquiry, for anyone who can answer... It is my understanding, from an engineer in the San Francisco area familiar with IBOC, that IBOC contains an 8-point-3 second delay=20 for analog-to-digital transmission... What if I am listening to a baseball or football game on an IBOC=20 station at the ballpark, and THIS phenomenon occurs?!?!? So much for the seven-second delay sports-talk stations have used for awhile, I suppose... -Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian60420" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: More AM bandwidth ramblings Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:32:41 -0000 >=20 >=20 > Oh my gosh, I've never seen someone so full of himself. This "Guy=20 > Wire", (whoever that is) is so far out the real world, it's not even=20 > funny. >=20 > Anyone who claims that,=20 > "...consumers voted the MP3 as CD-quality long ago" is wrong=20 > and that=20 > "...5 kHz AM and the hybrid HD Radio transition phase paves the way=20 > to an all-digital AM future" is wrong and must be on the Ibiquity=20 > payroll. >=20 > I fully disagree with a 5kHz philosophy during the daytime. I fully=20 > disagree with a hybrid HD Radio transition. THE HYBRID SOLUTION WILL=20 > NOT WORK, IT'S BEING PROVEN ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. IBOC is being=20 > turned off again. This time at WIND in Chicago. >=20 > Why should AM get a hybrid solution? Why should IBOC get preference?=20 > TV gets a full transition to digital with HDTV. New channels and new=20 > technology. Why can't AM get the same treatment? New airwaves and new=20 > technology. The FCC really has no concrete plans for a full=20 > transition to digital MW. All they have is some corporate giant=20 > beating them over the head with one idea and a boatload of cash. >=20 > While many of you may think that 5kHz mono is a great idea, just=20 > remember that no other medium for entertainment is dumbing itself=20 > down just to please some "high tech geeks on the other side of the=20 > glass".=20 >=20 > "Guy Wire" is out of mainstream thought if he thinks that consumers=20 > enjoy listening to low-fi mud. I'd take a 50KW AM Stereo at 15kHz=20 > bandwidth any day over some digital delayed simulation. >=20 > brian=20=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 > wrote: > > The current issue of Radio World has an article about the=20 > controversial > > push to implement reduced AM audio bandwidth, as well as an=20 > editorial by > > "Guy Wire" on the subject: > >=20 > > http://www.radioworld.com/reference-room/special- > report/03_rw_am.shtml > > http://www.radioworld.com/reference-room/guywire/gw-11-18-04.shtml > >=20 > > Personally, I hesistate to give any credit to the anecdotal reports=20 > about > > 5 kHz AM bandwidth reducing interference or "improving" the sound of > > typical AM radios, because of the "placebo effect" and because of=20 > the > > highly subjective nature of these reports. Unbiased testing needs=20 > to be > > done -- hopefully using more than just a handful of receivers, like=20 > with > > the IBOC tests. > >=20 > > And what about Canada and Mexico? Any claimed improvements in=20 > adjacent- > > channel reception will be negated if listeners in the northern and=20 > southern > > portions of the country are still subjected to interference from=20 > foreign > > stations who haven't implemented any bandwidth reduction. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=09=09 > > __________________________________=20 > > Do you Yahoo!?=20 > > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today!=20 > > http://my.yahoo.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Nov 24 19:25:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67004 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2004 03:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2004 03:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2004 03:25:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2004 03:24:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2004 03:24:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 03:24:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3834 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 172.145.101.171 Subject: Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Our fellow group member David Eduardo mentioned that platform motion was a significant problem on some of his station, and made listening so objectionable his only option was to discontinue AM stereo at his stations. As a broadcast engineer, this piqued my interest and I was determined to do a controlled experiment to determine how much, if any, platform motion actually existed on the three AM stereo stations still in operation in Dallas. Dallas is quite different from LA - size wise the Metroplex probably compares, but it is much flatter. That led me to theorize that platform motion might be due to reflections off of mountains that surround and cross the LA basin. The resulting phase cancellations / re-inforcements might indeed cause trouble for C-Quam. Testing that theory, though, is difficult in Texas. I did find a suitable location for conducting tests, however. Just outside of Crosbyton, TX, is a substantial canyon. It consists of both long, straight walls that extend for miles, as well as a myriad of smaller convolutions. Certainly, if there were to be any reflections or phase distortions of AM stations, this is the place. Add to that David's comments that it was in the fringes of his stations that he encountered the worst problems. 250 to 290 miles from all the test stations involved certainly qualifies as the fringes! My test receiver was a Sony SRF-A1 walkman. It did not need the help, but I employed a portable 12 inch loop to ensure clear reception of the test stations. The stations tested were KMKI 620, KAAM 770, and WBAP 820. Time of the test was 4 PM central time - well before the commencement of skywave reception at this latitude. I walked hundreds of yards all over the canyon, and observed no platform motion at all on 620 or 820. Even at the point of nulling, left stayed solidly left, right stayed solidly right. No tendency to switch at all, no matter where I was - near a sheer vertical, away from a sheer vertical, midway between sheer verticals - nowhere in convolutions, or even under a metal bridge. Solid as a rock. Platform motion did not exist on 620 or 820. 770 was an entirely different case. left and right swapped at approximately a 1 to 2 Hz rate. Not subjectively unpleasant to me, but it certainly would be to some listeners. There was a very clear reason, however. I was receiving KKOB Albuquerque on 770 in the background - it was easy to catch an ID and local commercials verifying its origin. The only conclusion possible from this test is that daytime platform motion is most likely caused by the reception of a distant station on the same frequency, confusing the decode circuitry. I do not know the frequencies of David's LA stations, or what other stations might be on the same frequency. There is no doubt in my mind that he did indeed experience platform motion on his signal survey - but the cause was undoubtedly interfering stations - nothing to do with the terrain. And there is no doubt that he is an individual who is irritated by platform motion. I remember the heyday of AM stereo and DX'ing nighttime C-Quam stations from hundreds of miles away. The L/R switching was a fact of life in those days, it never bothered me, and was sometimes interesting. A number of rock artists employed L/R switching in the 60's - Jimi Hendrix comes to mind in "All Along the Watchtower". No doubt that song would be irritating to the same persons objecting to the L/R shifts of platform motion. This also points to the fact that Leonard Kahn was correct - his system was technically better, but I am not going to argue with a system that produces clear, solid, and platform motion free stereo hundreds of miles away - except when there are two stations on the same frequency. From krichards@wor710.com Wed Nov 24 19:55:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53482 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2004 03:55:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2004 03:55:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2004 03:55:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2004 03:55:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2004 03:55:07 -0000 X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66329 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2004 02:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2004 02:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2004 02:54:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2004 02:54:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2004 02:54:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 02:54:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1715 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 69.3.106.227 Subject: Re: Need Manuals for CRL AMS Processing Chain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 25 Nov 2004 03:55:05 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 I have all of these manuals here at home....figure out a way to borrow or scan them somehow and the data is yours.... Kerry.... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > I have a Complete AMS CRL Audio chain consisting of the following > > SPP800, SEP400a (x2), SMP900. > > I am in need of manuals. specifically how to install and what the > > settings do as well as schematics > > You can get the manuals from CRL, but they'll cost you $40 each, and > other places that sell radio equipment manuals seem to charge the > same. But we can help you with any basic setup questions you might > have, as these units aren't all that complicated. In fact, just > through simple experimentation you can get a good idea of what each > knob and switch does. > > I would recommend, though, that you set up and test each unit > separately, before putting it all together as a chain... i.e., first > get the SPP set up and sounding good, then work on each additional > unit you want to put in your audio chain. > > Also, you may run into some trouble because the SEP's you have are > mono units which are not designed to be stereo-linked... thus, when > using a pair of them to process the Left and Right channels > independently, this may result in the stereo image "wandering around" > on songs with prominent stereo separation. So, you might want to put > them aside for the moment, and just get the SPP and SMP set up; as a > pair, they make a fairly good-sounding processing chain. In fact, > that's what our friends at 1240 KEVA use for their processing -- an > SPP-800 Stereo Preparation Processor and an SMP-900 AM Stereo Matrix > Processor. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Nov 24 20:11:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2985 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2004 04:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2004 04:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2004 04:11:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2004 04:11:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2004 04:11:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:11:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2182 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.8 Subject: Re: Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The only conclusion possible from this test is that daytime > platform motion is most likely caused by the reception of a distant > station on the same frequency, confusing the decode circuitry. You're only about two decades late in discovering this, Bruce! :-) As Broadcast Electronics wrote in their essay "Second-Generation Techniques for AM Stereo Exciter Design" in September 1984: "For AM Stereo systems employing phase modulation, nighttime co-channel interference known as 'platform motion' can occur under some conditions. While this phenomenon occurs only in fringe areas where even mono reception is poor, there has been some concern about its presence. Platform motion is caused by co-channel stations having a slightly different station frequency due to the timebase employed. In AM Stereo, a rotational effect is created as the receiver decodes the frequency difference from one channel to another at a rate equal to the difference in frequency of the co-channel stations. Because the AX-10 exciter is a digital modulation system deriving all station frequencies from one 10 MHz source, the master oscillator can be replaced with a reference source from WWV or some other standard. If all co-channel stations become frequency locked, platform motion is eliminated." Unfortunately, AM stations in North America -- Stereo or not -- have never been required to frequency-lock their carriers to a reference source in this manner, resulting in a band full of stations which all have slightly different carrier frequencies, causing fluttering and warbling effects on mono reception and platform motion in stereo reception. But one of the very few _good_ things about AM IBOC is that iBiquity requires all AM IBOC stations to lock their carrier frequencies to a GPS-based reference -- probably because since IBOC also uses phase modulation, the same problems which cause platform motion with analog AM Stereo might cause other types of problems with IBOC reception -- namely, drop-outs from "enhanced" stereo mode to "core" mono mode, since the "enhanced" mode relies upon phase-modulated IBOC sidebands while the "core" mode does not. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Nov 25 04:59:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56535 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2004 12:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2004 12:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2004 12:59:50 -0000 Received: from 167-pool1.ras10.floca.alerondial.net ([206.148.96.167] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CXJCE-00030k-00; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 07:58:03 -0500 Message-ID: <009401c4d2ee$6530c180$a76094ce@PossumHunter> To: , , Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 07:57:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.69.200.54 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Yard Sale Finds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Yesterday, I got lucky at a yard sale I stopped at. I found a GM-Delco UX-1 AMaxx Stereo radio for $2.00 and a Panasonic "Panpet 70" Transistor radio for $0.50! All the Panpet needed was a new 9-Volt battery and it plays like new. My girlfriend fell in love with it because she said it was "cute", so I gave it to her. She is listening to the old AM only Panasonic as I write this! The Delco has problems with the tape player, but the AM Stereo sounds great on it. Does anybody on the list know where I can download service info on the UX-1? It is an older model with the '80s style connectors. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Nov 25 11:36:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32661 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2004 19:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2004 19:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2004 19:36:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2004 19:36:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2004 19:36:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:36:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 772 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.5 Subject: Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Radio engineer Tony DeNicola has posted an interesting message to the New York Radio Message Board... I'd like to know what his "nameless sources" are, but nevertheless, I echo his Thanksgiving greetings -- in our case, we can be thankful for all of us who still believe in AM Stereo! From: http://musicradio.computer.net/wwwboard/messages/247386.html Posted by Tony Dee on November 25, 2004 at 12:16:06: Happy Thanksgiving....everyone on the board!!!! Nameless sources announced yesterday that IBOC is a technical failure for the present AM band and will not survive in the year 2005. Alot of stations are buying equipment and not installing it. I feel the same it will be forgotten like the others, C-Quam and Kahn.... Me personally I liked C-Quam,and Kahn.. From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 25 12:15:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57309 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2004 20:15:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2004 20:15:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52407.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.115) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2004 20:15:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 68268 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Nov 2004 20:15:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=3aBqSVdLJEremvcvIPOROg3H5jBAbB7rWtBfPrAOdljLIbLgzKuBWI9ae38+V7eSr92VMy7CYZ0GhgwQ24zPW0gSgL5HPafr1NCeoOhEr6FfTn/XgoZ2snsHBwu9KRS5lKiXh2gwK8o9mNjD2LiKFbBOcf99S9bC0EefVDnriCw= ; Message-ID: <20041125201508.68266.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.92] by web52407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:15:08 PST Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:15:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20041124232844.B139D86B0D@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.115 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: More AM bandwidth ramblings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jay Arnold wrote: > Oh, one more inquiry, for anyone who can answer... > It is my understanding, from an engineer in the San > Francisco area > familiar with IBOC, that IBOC contains an 8-point-3 > second delay > for analog-to-digital transmission... > > What if I am listening to a baseball or football > game on an IBOC > station at the ballpark, and THIS phenomenon > occurs?!?!? YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS > So much for the seven-second delay sports-talk > stations have used > for awhile, I suppose... > -Jay And if the stations run a delay this 7 second delay will be IN ADDITION to the IBOC delay. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 25 12:18:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78907 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2004 20:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2004 20:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2004 20:18:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 16732 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Nov 2004 20:17:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=cmGCzzuAwrlh8L6BquDJq4T4x20scrlxNsslCYSGBXSrQX2GwiNSdDp0TsGUim5fLIBp3CR+UvpkdHFptdCMgFZc6UqkbrNqQTUPOjJfvrFYlgk73vIBBsqD1r02qRX3+weOfbcLDYySrUTVuJELFEc8H18kF9u8D3tkMaiV5l0= ; Message-ID: <20041125201711.16730.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.92] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:17:11 PST Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:17:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Bruce Carter wrote: > > Our fellow group member David Eduardo mentioned that > platform motion > was a significant problem on some of his station, > and made listening > so objectionable his only option was to discontinue > AM stereo at his > stations. On that group he uses David Eduardo, though if you look at the profile it shows his real name...David Gleason. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Nov 25 12:39:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62264 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2004 20:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2004 20:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao02.cox.net) (68.230.241.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2004 20:39:46 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.5.10.101]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041125203945.VFD10391.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 15:39:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <22CD4D21-3F22-11D9-870F-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:39:42 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.37 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am cynical of "nameless sources," but I do find it interesting that=20 many stations that were to go online with IBOC have not done so. KNX=20 was to go a year ago, as I recall. All they have done is turn off the=20 stereo. Add while KFI is using it, that's only one of CC's AM stations=20 in LA ... and the others already sound really, really bad due to the=20 bandwidth restriction, so they have nothing to lose themselves if they=20 went IBOC. On the other hand, the PROMISE of IBOC is great. I'd love to hear a=20 real HD radio for myself, if one were available to hear. Tom and Kerry=20 are very convincing with their statements on WOR, and whether we want=20 to admit it or not, AM lost the battle years ago. I myself am looking=20 into Sirius (XM would be OK, but Clear Channel is a major investor) so=20 I can hear current music again. There is not one non-country station in=20 Southern California that I can stand listening to for more than a few=20 minutes at a time. AM or FM, the programming just stinks. My iPod gets a lot of us, but my music gets older and older by default=20 since I cannot hear current non-country music on the radio. RIchard On Nov 25, 2004, at 11:36 AM, Kevin T. wrote: > > Radio engineer Tony DeNicola has posted an interesting message to the > New York Radio Message Board... I'd like to know what his "nameless > sources" are, but nevertheless, I echo his Thanksgiving greetings -- > in our case, we can be thankful for all of us who still believe in > AM Stereo! > > From: http://musicradio.computer.net/wwwboard/messages/247386.html > Posted by Tony Dee on November 25, 2004 at 12:16:06: > > Happy Thanksgiving....everyone on the board!!!! Nameless sources > announced yesterday that IBOC is a technical failure for the > present AM band and will not survive in the year 2005. Alot of > stations are buying equipment and not installing it. I feel the same > it will be forgotten like the others, C-Quam and Kahn.... Me > personally I liked C-Quam,and Kahn.. > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > Get unlimited calls to > > U.S./Canada > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Nov 25 13:39:23 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Nov 25 13:42:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91101 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2004 21:42:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2004 21:42:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2004 21:42:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2004 21:40:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2004 21:40:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 21:40:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 575 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 217.51.147.210 Subject: Re: France Bleu in MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan OK the problem is France Bleu are not broadcasting the carrier or pilot light now for stereo so although I get stereo on my SRF-42 on a 'real' am stereo tuner like my 220a the c-quam LED fails to ligjht so I get no stereo obvioulsy but why ?... Can soneone explain this as I don't quite understand! I was geting RSX from Italy ok in ams last night so it is not the tuner. Somneone else I know who has a Clarion (car) am stereo radio also has the same problem no cquam light but ok on his SRF-42, something to do with any 'carrier being forced in to stereo on the 42 ? From Bossmsx@aol.com Thu Nov 25 15:54:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85578 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2004 23:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2004 23:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2004 23:54:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2004 23:53:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2004 23:53:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:53:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 320 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 207.230.143.240 Subject: France Bleu question-sidetracking somewhat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 This is somewhat of a sidetracked question, I don't like 'changing the subject', but I thought I'd ask because I've always been curious. Does France Bleu run AM Stereo AND the requisite CCIR 4khz. bandwidth?? Or do they, unlike the other European stations run a wider (say give or take 10khz) of bandwidth?? --tony From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Nov 25 19:17:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79097 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2004 03:16:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2004 03:16:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2004 03:16:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2004 03:16:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2004 03:16:52 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77209 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2004 21:52:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2004 21:52:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2004 21:52:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2004 21:51:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2004 21:51:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 21:51:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <22CD4D21-3F22-11D9-870F-000D9356B656@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1014 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.17 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 26 Nov 2004 03:16:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 If I recall, CC also has an investment in Sirius as well. The added problem is that Sirius is committed to IBOC's original audio compression scheme- the one iBiquity dumped because it stank, quality- wise. Last I heard, CC has no controlling interest in XM, if they still maintain any investment in the service. (I don't think CC liked the fact XM went commercial-free, but Sirius has just followed XM's lead, there.) I've had a look at both Sirius' and XM's programming, and frankly, XM wins, paws-down. Better selection, better themes... And better codec. (ATRAC?) I've heard some of XM's programming, already, being an oldies fan- It's not like what you'd expect from anything CC would control- The selection is too good and too broad for CC's tastes. 50's on 5, 60's on 6 and 70's on 7 are worth the price. (The international fare is top-notch, too- XM rebroadcasts some of the selections from the global WorldSpace satellite network.) Now, back to my AMS and SCA interests.... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Nov 25 19:17:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80266 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2004 03:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2004 03:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2004 03:17:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2004 03:16:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2004 03:16:59 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86059 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2004 22:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2004 22:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2004 22:49:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2004 22:49:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2004 22:49:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:49:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 98 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.17 Subject: Re: France Bleu in MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 26 Nov 2004 03:16:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 I believe there is a switch on the exciter that turns the pilot on or off...... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Nov 25 19:21:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36693 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2004 03:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2004 03:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2004 03:21:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2004 03:20:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2004 03:20:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 03:20:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041125201711.16730.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 289 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.131 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > On that group he uses David Eduardo, though if you > look at the profile it shows his real name...David Gleason. Make the mistake of calling him "Mr. Eduardo", and he'll point out very clearly that Eduardo is his middle name. And yes, he's a member of this group, too -- hi, David! From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 25 19:34:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15787 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2004 03:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2004 03:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2004 03:34:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 91702 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2004 03:34:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=UQ/EJWELwaGfE1mYw1iC4cjNPt69RsggNB7PRCn+U8pzXO8AgIigAksy+9Qg09jXYMjS/hCRDSe8OpwCIseDQ1XYoz9Jm3ZNHjz3TPDerIJIN/xFSLCeg07A+J2XDH/YRucEGd9dV3hi6kj9tZ1GIpWNF/uSD38+DbDI3KW8Nfo= ; Message-ID: <20041126033435.91700.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.89] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:34:35 PST Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:34:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > > On that group he uses David Eduardo, though if you > > look at the profile it shows his real name...David > Gleason. > > Make the mistake of calling him "Mr. Eduardo", and > he'll point out > very clearly that Eduardo is his middle name. > > And yes, he's a member of this group, too -- hi, > David! AH! Indeed. Hi David! My middle name is Enoch, but I don't use it. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 25 19:36:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56103 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2004 03:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2004 03:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52403.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.111) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2004 03:36:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 85859 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2004 03:36:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=d8JFx4TqPYzdu5HMlS40cWfMVN8jcdm9yJKEwkEq0mcgpE10fXXgnEhsL4kBvIxBBQ8WCCUFbjLWWZvwmDef+m0Aj3yOdoZ8epYZL8SvOBYwymlPS6OsEze32ek3o6Lo6qllFjdkO+VUssV4n70SUWGfkw1352eXcyTlMPTAjL8= ; Message-ID: <20041126033601.85857.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.89] by web52403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:36:01 PST Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:36:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.111 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Superadio look alikes.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Did you know Panasonic had one? It's the model RF-1401 (D)... I have one. It gets VERY wide on really strong local signals. It has one large speaker. NO antenna connectors. What The SR series does NOT have...a "loudness" control as some stereos have, and a battery saver switch! This radio dates to the early 80's. Powell ( listening to an ( original ) GE Super Radio got for $5 at a flea market. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Nov 25 19:40:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8701 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2004 03:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2004 03:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51604.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.209) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2004 03:40:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 79084 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2004 03:39:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=U2vc2r/fhX2nMUKi0SKn/EKOhwnWty+Efe9Xr9/VUgQ+5oHCfw/WHsTZ1dGpZIz8/E/glrPPgAyHdtlpgrU04giFjD0zTAyTN9UxozB0AWkc5W0roUYC2nkVEzpS0+aJz5lFXXPUr3tpwtwJ98jm9bRwGvglnvCwCPRd75wKzUQ= ; Message-ID: <20041126033914.79080.qmail@web51604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.89.131] by web51604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:39:14 PST Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:39:14 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.209 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: France Bleu question-sidetracking somewhat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Does France Bleu run AM Stereo AND the requisite CCIR 4khz. > bandwidth?? Or do they, unlike the other European stations run a > wider (say give or take 10khz) of bandwidth?? From the recordings I've heard, they use a 4.5 kHz audio bandwidth, as all government-owned AM stations in France are required to use. One exception, however, was in April 2002, when France Bleu had their Optimod 9100 audio processor in "bypass" mode, which resulted in them broadcasting a 12 kHz audio bandwidth with a noticeable lack of compression -- which sounded like this: http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/stations/Europe/France/fr.bleu_04.mp3 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Fri Nov 26 01:55:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7251 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2004 09:55:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2004 09:55:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.16) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2004 09:55:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 01:54:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.255.72.78 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:53:57 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <009401c4d2ee$6530c180$a76094ce@PossumHunter> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neat_old_stuff@yahoogroups.com, amradiodx@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:53:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2004 09:54:01.0055 (UTC) FILETIME=[DAFCE6F0:01C4D39D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.16 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.255.72.78] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Yard Sale Finds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Hi Kevin - Congrats on your finds! I used to have UX-1 found at a salvage yard and installed it in my Chevy Astro van. It sounded great. I'm still kicking myself for not pulling out the radio when I sold the van. If you're looking for the harness wiring info (and some limited tech info) try: http://www.installdr.com/ If you can't find the info you need, United Radio can repair (and bring it up to OEM specs). I had my Ford Mach in there a year ago when it ate a bad tape. Their web site is: http://www.unitedradio.com/auto_main.shtml Good luck, Paul Crane >From: "Possum Hunter" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >,, >Subject: {AMSF} Yard Sale Finds >Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 07:57:58 -0500 > >Yesterday, I got lucky at a yard sale I stopped at. > >I found a GM-Delco UX-1 AMaxx Stereo radio for $2.00 and a Panasonic >"Panpet >70" Transistor radio for $0.50! > >All the Panpet needed was a new 9-Volt battery and it plays like new. My >girlfriend fell in love with it because she said it was "cute", so I gave >it >to her. She is listening to the old AM only Panasonic as I write this! > >The Delco has problems with the tape player, but the AM Stereo sounds great >on it. Does anybody on the list know where I can download service info on >the UX-1? It is an older model with the '80s style connectors. > >Kevin in Tampa >There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical >standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Fri Nov 26 05:13:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14373 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2004 13:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2004 13:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2004 13:13:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2004 13:13:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2004 13:13:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:13:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041126033914.79080.qmail@web51604.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 833 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 217.51.147.210 Subject: Re: France Bleu question-sidetracking somewhat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Does France Bleu run AM Stereo AND the requisite CCIR 4khz. > > bandwidth?? Or do they, unlike the other European stations run a > > wider (say give or take 10khz) of bandwidth?? > > From the recordings I've heard, they use a 4.5 kHz audio bandwidth, > as all government-owned AM stations in France are required to use. > > One exception, however, was in April 2002, when France Bleu had their > Optimod 9100 audio processor in "bypass" mode, which resulted in them > broadcasting a 12 kHz audio bandwidth with a noticeable lack of > compression -- which sounded like this: > > http://www.amstereo.audio- stream.net/amstereo/files/stations/Europe/France/fr.bleu_04.mp3 > > As recorded by me btw on the Sony tuner! YOu nicked my file Kevin!! From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Fri Nov 26 05:15:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58450 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2004 13:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2004 13:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2004 13:15:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2004 13:15:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2004 13:15:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:15:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1008 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 217.51.147.210 Subject: Re: France Bleu question-sidetracking somewhat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > Does France Bleu run AM Stereo AND the requisite CCIR 4khz. > > > bandwidth?? Or do they, unlike the other European stations run a > > > wider (say give or take 10khz) of bandwidth?? > > > > From the recordings I've heard, they use a 4.5 kHz audio bandwidth, > > as all government-owned AM stations in France are required to use. > > > > One exception, however, was in April 2002, when France Bleu had > their > > Optimod 9100 audio processor in "bypass" mode, which resulted in > them > > broadcasting a 12 kHz audio bandwidth with a noticeable lack of > > compression -- which sounded like this: > > > > http://www.amstereo.audio- > stream.net/amstereo/files/stations/Europe/France/fr.bleu_04.mp3 > > > > > > > As recorded by me btw on the Sony tuner! YOu nicked my file Kevin!! Meaning it is also on my site at www.amstereoradio.tk From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Nov 26 08:58:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86246 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2004 16:58:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2004 16:58:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.241.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2004 16:58:35 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.5.10.101]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041126165835.LQF5116.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:58:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <6845B0D2-3FCC-11D9-870F-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 08:58:33 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.36 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, it was XM that followed. Most people I now like Sirius' programming and presentation better, though none of them are oldies fans. I'm personally burnt on oldies, so that may or may not be a factor in my final decision. As far as I know, CC has no investment in Sirius. Richard On Nov 25, 2004, at 1:51 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > I don't think CC liked the > fact XM went commercial-free, but Sirius has just followed XM's lead, > there.) > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Nov 26 09:41:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99036 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2004 17:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2004 17:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2004 17:41:51 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.5.10.101]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041126174151.XBD18816.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:41:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20041126033914.79080.qmail@web51604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041126033914.79080.qmail@web51604.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <73CD93F7-3FD2-11D9-870F-000D9356B656@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:41:50 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.35 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Old Stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Hi, everyone. Sorry for the interruption. A LONG time ago (probably a year at least) someone on this list offered up some old cart decks. I had written back expressing interest, and he said great, but now with my new computer I have lost all the original contact info (in other words, with my feeble mind, I have forgotten who it was). If the decks are still available, can the appropriate person email me? I may have a trade as well. Thanks, Richard Wagoner Now back to the originally scheduled discussion. In stereo. From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Nov 26 11:26:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23649 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2004 19:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2004 19:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2004 19:26:35 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.185]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:26:02 -0700 Message-ID: <004f01c4d3ee$2f369540$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20041126033914.79080.qmail@web51604.mail.yahoo.com> <73CD93F7-3FD2-11D9-870F-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:28:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2004 19:26:03.0680 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4DDDA00:01C4D3ED] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old Stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Got some playback decks, but sold off the record units to an outfit in AZ a couple years ago. I might be able to get you a RP unit, however. I've got enough connections in the industry. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" To: Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 11:41 AM Subject: {AMSF} Old Stuff > > Hi, everyone. > > Sorry for the interruption. A LONG time ago (probably a year at least) > someone on this list offered up some old cart decks. I had written back > expressing interest, and he said great, but now with my new computer I > have lost all the original contact info (in other words, with my feeble > mind, I have forgotten who it was). > > If the decks are still available, can the appropriate person email me? > I may have a trade as well. > > Thanks, > > Richard Wagoner > > Now back to the originally scheduled discussion. In stereo. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Nov 26 11:27:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26240 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2004 19:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2004 19:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2004 19:27:20 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.185]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:27:19 -0700 Message-ID: <005501c4d3ee$5ca7e240$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:30:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2004 19:27:19.0814 (UTC) FILETIME=[F23EFA60:01C4D3ED] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: France Bleu in MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Some receivers need the 25Hz tone to go into CQUAM mode, others don't. The '42 doesn't. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" > Can soneone explain this as I don't quite understand! I was geting > RSX from Italy ok in ams last night so it is not the tuner. Somneone > else I know who has a Clarion (car) am stereo radio also has the same > problem no cquam light but ok on his SRF-42, something to do with > any 'carrier being falsed in to stereo on the 42 ? From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Nov 26 11:28:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40596 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2004 19:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2004 19:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2004 19:28:59 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.185]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:28:36 -0700 Message-ID: <005b01c4d3ee$8ab7e040$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:31:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2004 19:28:37.0110 (UTC) FILETIME=[20516960:01C4D3EE] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I sense some satire in that- directed at US! ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > From: http://musicradio.computer.net/wwwboard/messages/247386.html > Posted by Tony Dee on November 25, 2004 at 12:16:06: > > Happy Thanksgiving....everyone on the board!!!! Nameless sources > announced yesterday that IBOC is a technical failure for the > present AM band and will not survive in the year 2005. Alot of > stations are buying equipment and not installing it. I feel the same > it will be forgotten like the others, C-Quam and Kahn.... Me > personally I liked C-Quam,and Kahn.. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Nov 26 22:09:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 75708 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2004 06:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2004 06:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2004 06:09:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 06:08:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 06:08:18 -0000 Date: 27 Nov 2004 06:08:14 -0000 Message-ID: <1101535694.11305.72857.w12@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /radios/HarrisAMS-Specs.jpg Uploaded by : toledohamradio Description : Harris STX-1 AM Stereo Exciter SPECS You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/HarrisAMS-Specs.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, toledohamradio From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Nov 26 22:10:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 58962 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2004 06:10:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2004 06:10:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2004 06:10:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 06:10:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 06:10:56 -0000 Date: 27 Nov 2004 06:10:50 -0000 Message-ID: <1101535850.2473.65154.w47@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /radios/HarrisAMS-Specs-INFO.jpg Uploaded by : toledohamradio Description : Harris STX-1 AM Stereo Exciter SPECS You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/HarrisAMS-Specs-INFO.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, toledohamradio From castellano105@yahoo.com Sat Nov 27 03:32:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52940 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2004 11:32:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2004 11:32:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2004 11:32:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 11:32:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 11:32:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:31:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 336 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Francisco Guzman" X-Originating-IP: 67.76.85.136 Subject: Digital Radio lives! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 The final word on Digital Radio is with the FCC,not the Station owners. If a station want to keep its license it must comply with whatever the FCC ruling is. So if the FCC tells Radio station to broadcast in the future only in Digital or loose it license that it. Radio station then must buy the new equipment or cease broadcasting. From brucec@mindspring.com Sat Nov 27 07:11:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14501 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2004 15:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2004 15:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2004 15:11:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 15:10:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 15:10:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:09:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <22CD4D21-3F22-11D9-870F-000D9356B656@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1758 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.116.196 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > On the other hand, the PROMISE of IBOC is great. I'd love to hear a > real HD radio for myself, if one were available to hear. Tom and Kerry > are very convincing with their statements on WOR, Same here. I am wondering if maybe some of us ought to get together, pool engineering brain power, and come up with something that has a chance of actually working. But then again- perhaps AM is best just left alone. The last thing we need right now is a third digital standard to muddy the waters. And I don't think too many people on this board want to align themselves with Leonard Kahn and Cam-D. > I can hear current music again. There is not one non-country station in > Southern California that I can stand listening to for more than a few > minutes at a time. Our musical tastes differ, but your message is the same as what I have been saying - its content, not quality! I am in Lubbock right now, and the two little kids next door are dedicated DX'ers of Radio Disney out of Lubbock. The oldest can't be more than ten. I made them a "pizza box loop" the other day and they were ecstatic at the improvement in reception. Their parents are ordering a Superradio 3 for them for Christmas. The point is - these kids are putting up with static, fades, interfering stations for "their music, their way". In the process, they are learning a bit of electronics, and geography (1160 from San Antonio comes in better late afternoon than 620, 1690 Denver comes in better at night - and all require you to know which way to point a radio). > but my music gets older and older by default > since I cannot hear current non-country music on the radio. Try 1110 - a listenable mix of oldies and current songs. And in stereo! From brucec@mindspring.com Sat Nov 27 07:17:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18918 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2004 15:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2004 15:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2004 15:17:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 15:17:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 15:17:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:17:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 538 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.116.196 Subject: Re: Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > You're only about two decades late in discovering this, Bruce! :-) I was trying to knock down a "straw man" argument for turning off C- Quam. > But one of the very few _good_ things about AM IBOC is that iBiquity > requires all AM IBOC stations to lock their carrier frequencies to a > GPS-based reference -- About time!!! IBOC or not, this should be a requirement for all AM stations. It would sure help to reduce heterodyne mixing at night. And DSP algorithms could then remove a much smaller bandwidth around 10 kHz. From brucec@mindspring.com Sat Nov 27 07:23:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76399 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2004 15:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2004 15:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2004 15:23:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 15:20:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 15:20:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:20:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041125201711.16730.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 261 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.116.196 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter >> On that group he uses David Eduardo, though if you > look at the profile it shows his real name...David > Gleason. > > Powell Thanks for pointing that out - I actually have a good deal of respect for the man, on issues other than his adherance to IBOC. From pmount2@att.net Sat Nov 27 08:33:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pmount2@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18037 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2004 16:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2004 16:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2004 16:33:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 16:31:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 16:31:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:31:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 205 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "paul mount" X-Originating-IP: 24.228.89.34 Subject: WOR related X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192157907 X-Yahoo-Profile: mount142 Drove up the turnpike, looks like land being cleared just north of the WOR tower site - is this for the location where the towers have to move to because of some odd Bergen County land reclamation action? From amdavid@pacbell.net Sat Nov 27 09:37:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79336 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2004 17:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2004 17:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80408.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.63) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2004 17:37:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20041127173754.80971.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.61.173.103] by web80408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:37:54 PST Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:37:54 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <22CD4D21-3F22-11D9-870F-000D9356B656@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.79.63 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The other two Clear Channel AMs are in the middle of format issues, since it appears both will change, and that, possibley, the Clear Channel San Diego market X signals will be transferrred. that is the only reason they have not switched. KTNQ, on the same antenna system as KXTA, is on in IBOC and has increased ratings since changing. The system was worked on extensively to achieve the necessary bandwidth, and it works fine. Richard Wagoner wrote: I am cynical of "nameless sources," but I do find it interesting that many stations that were to go online with IBOC have not done so. KNX was to go a year ago, as I recall. All they have done is turn off the stereo. Add while KFI is using it, that's only one of CC's AM stations in LA ... and the others already sound really, really bad due to the bandwidth restriction, so they have nothing to lose themselves if they went IBOC. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Nov 27 09:55:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15716 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2004 17:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2004 17:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.138) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2004 17:55:07 -0000 Received: from storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 273D3D5FE; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:51:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id JAA16297; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:51:14 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQdTw19Wnh0dAxZNt5FUxzSLvg9XQIVAK9tC1LztHR1GDLsbbOVQGCAujM0 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:51:13 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com Message-ID: <6950-41A8BE91-11698@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 27 Nov 2004 16:37:51 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.138 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Regarding the recent comments, RE:IBOC Yes, the FCC has the FINAL say-so on allowed broadcast parameters, emissions, etc.. C-Quam AM Stereo is still quite legal for those stations that desire to use it, & Kahn PowerSide is in the same situation. IBOC at best experimental -- we do need stations trying it so it can be proven If IBOC can work in a practical, real world application(s). I don't per see object to IBOC, Itself, BUT IF all it does is create a lot of interference for neiboring stations, And IF very, very few listeners actually benefit from it ( especially since IBOC receiver(s) are difficult to find, obtain). And CAN the stations implementing IBOC recoup their investment in a unreasonably amount of time, not 10 ~ 20 years if public interest in IBOC is weak... THEN IBOC should not be made mandatory.. I have not personally experienced IBOC interference Here In the North Central U.S. ( Omaha, Nebraska) as very few, (if any) stations in this region seem to be transmitting with IBOC. KOA Denver, KRLD & WBAP Dallas, and the serval Chicago stations are heard here on a fairly regular basis at night, Any I don't hear any abnormal interference. While the overall noise level on the AM band seems higher that it was decades ago, I can't hear noises that sound like the white noise, frying egg noises that some say that the side bands and adjacent channels of a IBOC equipped station would generate. I suspect that the East or West coasts would be a totally different listening experience.... In My opinion, IBOC has a L O N G way to go to be acceptable on the A.M. band, especially at night. Perhaps IBOC _FM CAN be made practical on the F.M. band where there is a lot more spacing between stations, and a minimal tendency to skip beyond the normal service area. Seems that Analog TV and HD -TV stations seem to be able to co-exist on the VHF & UHF Television bands without too much interference between each other, So maybe their is some hope.... Bill " Oldphones " Omaha, NE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Nov 27 13:22:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12991 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2004 21:22:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2004 21:22:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2004 21:22:08 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004112721212701100l8f2pe>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 21:21:27 +0000 To: Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:21:43 -0500 Message-ID: <003f01c4d4c7$17b6e8a0$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-reply-to: <20041127173754.80971.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.55 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn How could you ever give IBOC as the reason for the ratings going up? Who besides the engineers of the stations has IBOC radios? I know I've never seen one for sale... How about this, WBZ, WROR(FM), WBOS(FM), WMJX(FM)'s ratings have all gone DOWN since last year when they added IBOC! I'm not saying that's the reason though. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: David Gleason [mailto:amdavid@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 12:38 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! The other two Clear Channel AMs are in the middle of format issues, since it appears both will change, and that, possibley, the Clear Channel San Diego market X signals will be transferrred. that is the only reason they have not switched. KTNQ, on the same antenna system as KXTA, is on in IBOC and has increased ratings since changing. The system was worked on extensively to achieve the necessary bandwidth, and it works fine. Richard Wagoner wrote: I am cynical of "nameless sources," but I do find it interesting that many stations that were to go online with IBOC have not done so. KNX was to go a year ago, as I recall. All they have done is turn off the stereo. Add while KFI is using it, that's only one of CC's AM stations in LA ... and the others already sound really, really bad due to the bandwidth restriction, so they have nothing to lose themselves if they went IBOC. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Nov 27 13:58:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33863 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2004 21:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2004 21:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2004 21:58:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 21:57:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 21:57:13 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64861 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2004 12:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2004 12:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2004 12:27:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 12:27:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 12:27:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:27:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1661 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.35 Subject: Re: Digital Radio lives! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 27 Nov 2004 21:57:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Francisco Guzman" wrote: > > The final word on Digital Radio is with the FCC,not the Station > owners. If a station want to > keep its license it must comply with whatever the FCC ruling is. So > if the FCC tells Radio > station to broadcast in the future only in Digital or loose it > license that it. Radio station > then must buy the new equipment or cease broadcasting. It is fortunate today that there IS no "digital mandate" in place in the US of this nature. Due to a tremendous backlash that apparently has occured by both the broadcasting and manufacturer industries, the FCC has since watered down their requirement for full digital conversion of broadcast TV. Basicly, it does not work. No, not the digital part-- The forcing- something-down-everybody's-throat part. It's probabvly the only way to get radio stations all-digital, but the practicality of it is that stations would rather withhold renewing their licenses than going digital in protest. It may mean losing money, but it would also mean losing money if forced to convert to digital, just as TV stations had been forced to. The FCC loses, too, since it depends on licensing fees. So yes, stations DO have a say- A very powerful say, as long as they stand up against the NAB. (You know, somehow I think many would just buckle under rather than standing for what is right- We Americans love giving up our essential freedoms for even the mere illusion of security. Even a friend of mine has given up on his dreams just so he can stay in the safe confines of his own loneliness and misery.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sat Nov 27 14:38:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6238 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2004 22:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2004 22:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2004 22:38:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 22:38:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 22:38:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:38:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1928 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 Subject: Re: Digital Radio lives! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq The thing to remember is with TV the FCC issued everyone a second channel to use so they could broadcast both analog and digital. They would like the second channel back and they've promised spectrum to other users. With radio and IBOC this situation doesn't exsist so the FCC will not be as motivated to mandate digital for radio. It's the NAB and broadcasters that have an investment in digital who want to see this happen. In my opinion, digital radio will happen but in it's own time. Analog will be with us for a while. Just a side note.... A couple of weeks ago I was talking to some friends of mine on a 2 meter repeater when a guy from the UK broke in on Echolink (Ham Radio internet link for repeaters). We were discussing the audio quality of broadcast stations here in the US when he joined us. He had visited the US in the 80's. His comment was he noticed how good the AM stations here sounded compared to those in the UK that were limited in audio frequency response. Oh well,those were the days my friend when us radio people really cared about how good their stations sounded. Too bad AM radio here is going the same way here because there really are those who notice.... more than you think. Jerry WA2FNQ The final word on Digital Radio is with the FCC,not the Station > > owners. If a station want to > > keep its license it must comply with whatever the FCC ruling is. So > > if the FCC tells Radio > > station to broadcast in the future only in Digital or loose it > > license that it. Radio station > > then must buy the new equipment or cease broadcasting. > > It is fortunate today that there IS no "digital mandate" in place in > the US of this nature. Due to a tremendous backlash that apparently > has occured by both the broadcasting and manufacturer industries, the > FCC has since watered down their requirement for full digital > conversion of broadcast TV. > From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 27 16:34:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68123 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2004 00:34:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2004 00:34:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2004 00:34:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 75074 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2004 00:34:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=NVvTLRfuHacI7nFk0Avr1GGbhaEbkiFHov8y6L4ocL70B/FYQXrC8+cdXR/419AJqywpasbGiYxHFim55L4nIbV1dJRjQqwsKry2d7WUPcuEniY+7QEiLB0J7/NvZEksxKmyh/ODiiHAqPsInGHVhqX3X89tZjHLdYhvroD+Pco= ; Message-ID: <20041128003445.75066.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.91] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:34:45 PST Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:34:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Digital Radio lives! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > It is fortunate today that there IS no "digital > mandate" in place in > the US of this nature. YET. It WILL HAVE TO COME, unfortunately. > Due to a tremendous backlash > that apparently > has occured by both the broadcasting and > manufacturer industries, the > FCC has since watered down their requirement for > full digital > conversion of broadcast TV. That's too bad. I wanted to see the BIG uproar. > Basicly, it does not work. No, not the digital > part-- The forcing- > something-down-everybody's-throat part. > It's probabvly the only way to get radio stations > all-digital, but > the practicality of it is that stations would rather > withhold > renewing their licenses than going digital in > protest. Then they'd be put off the air. And I expect by gunpoint if necessary. > It may mean > losing money, but it would also mean losing money if > forced to > convert to digital, just as TV stations had been > forced to. > > The FCC loses, too, since it depends on licensing > fees. The FCC does not depend on licensing fees. ALL the money they collect goes into the general fund and then they are allocated a miniscule amount of money to work with. > So yes, stations DO have a say- A very powerful say, > as long as they > stand up against the NAB. But they do NOT. > (You know, somehow I think many would just buckle > under rather than > standing for what is right- We Americans love giving > up our essential > freedoms for even the mere illusion of security. > Even a friend of > mine has given up on his dreams just so he can stay > in the safe > confines of his own loneliness and misery.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I am afraid this is true. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Nov 27 16:35:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 72522 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2004 00:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2004 00:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2004 00:35:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 00:35:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 00:35:05 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91622 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2004 22:00:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2004 22:00:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2004 22:00:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 22:00:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 22:00:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:00:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003f01c4d4c7$17b6e8a0$6400a8c0@AMD> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 296 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.35 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Nov 2004 00:35:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Lehmann" wrote: > How could you ever give IBOC as the reason for the ratings going up? Who > besides the engineers of the stations has IBOC radios? I know I've never > seen one for sale... http://tinyurl.com/5whu2 Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Nov 27 16:36:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 34004 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2004 00:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2004 00:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2004 00:36:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 00:35:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 00:35:20 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69123 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2004 22:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2004 22:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2004 22:31:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 22:31:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 22:31:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:31:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1222 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Nov 2004 00:35:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 I wonder what those kids would think of hearing KMKI in Stereo? (for example using a Sony SRF-A300 which is currently available afaik) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > Our musical tastes differ, but your message is the same as what I > have been saying - its content, not quality! I am in Lubbock right > now, and the two little kids next door are dedicated DX'ers of Radio > Disney out of Lubbock. The oldest can't be more than ten. I made > them a "pizza box loop" the other day and they were ecstatic at the > improvement in reception. Their parents are ordering a Superradio 3 > for them for Christmas. The point is - these kids are putting up > with static, fades, interfering stations for "their music, their > way". In the process, they are learning a bit of electronics, and > geography (1160 from San Antonio comes in better late afternoon than > 620, 1690 Denver comes in better at night - and all require you to > know which way to point a radio). > > > but my music gets older and older by default > > since I cannot hear current non-country music on the radio. > > Try 1110 - a listenable mix of oldies and current songs. And in > stereo! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 27 16:36:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89085 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2004 00:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2004 00:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2004 00:36:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 69237 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2004 00:36:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=khLaZdNZmz9zXdjl5ai9wFAqHJOYXnbEH4N1rW2IyUogI12mcj3bxoy7u6aB6+FW+T3wZieUA0Xi9zMFIGEnMulYhrR2Qj5LFFuAOCEwN2IX4NLOMB+7xj8ZDNQqHrmtDdcD7lPTOAs7P5QlYjqWkmKcxOIE2jolHdQGYkP/I2Q= ; Message-ID: <20041128003636.69232.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.91] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:36:36 PST Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:36:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Bruce Carter wrote: > > >> On that group he uses David Eduardo, though if > you > > look at the profile it shows his real name...David > > Gleason. > > > > Powell > > Thanks for pointing that out - I actually have a > good deal of respect > for the man, on issues other than his adherance to > IBOC. I enjoy his history accounts of stations in South America. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 27 16:40:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88322 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2004 00:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2004 00:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2004 00:40:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 00:39:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 00:39:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 00:39:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 222 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.134 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > http://tinyurl.com/5whu2 Whenever you search eBay for "HD Radio", 95% of the results you get are either "HD Radio-READY" radios (which do NOT have an IBOC tuner built-in), or radios for Harley-Davidson motorcycles. From Bossmsx@aol.com Sat Nov 27 17:44:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9217 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2004 01:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2004 01:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2004 01:43:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 01:43:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 01:43:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 01:43:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041128003636.69232.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 619 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 207.230.143.240 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > I enjoy his history accounts of stations in South > America. Anyone who was involved with a radio station that I used to listen to when I was a kid gets infinite respect from me. David was boss at WHTT "Radio Hit" 1260 in Miami, and I remember their billboard and bumper sticker campaign vividly. Not to mention that it's not often you find someone who works in radio, that also shows that he's enthusiastic about the medium. Most people today just 'show up for work'. And, give the guy some credit about Stereo, too. They actually play the Stereo "La Bamba" on his "Recuerdos" in LA (!!) tony s/miami From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Nov 27 21:05:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68842 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2004 05:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2004 05:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2004 05:05:48 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004112805051101100l6c7ae>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 05:05:11 +0000 To: Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 00:05:29 -0500 Message-ID: <005901c4d507$e1a06890$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.55 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Well I should have been more specific, and said in a store. I've seen plenty of Kenwoods that are "HD Ready," but none that actually have the HD part. I hope I never see any! Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 5:00 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Lehmann" wrote: > How could you ever give IBOC as the reason for the ratings going up? Who > besides the engineers of the stations has IBOC radios? I know I've never > seen one for sale... http://tinyurl.com/5whu2 Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Nov 27 22:15:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 90114 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2004 06:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2004 06:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2004 06:15:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 06:14:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 06:14:43 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50783 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2004 05:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2004 05:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2004 05:57:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 05:56:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 05:56:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 05:56:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005901c4d507$e1a06890$6400a8c0@AMD> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 382 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.35 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Nov 2004 06:14:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Lehmann" wrote: > Well I should have been more specific, and said in a store. I've seen > plenty of Kenwoods that are "HD Ready," but none that actually have the > HD part. > > I hope I never see any! Remember the days of "AM-stereo ready" tuners & receivers? Remember what happened to AM stereo? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 27 22:20:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75614 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2004 06:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2004 06:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2004 06:20:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 06:20:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 06:20:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 06:20:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005901c4d507$e1a06890$6400a8c0@AMD> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 673 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.134 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Well I should have been more specific, and said in a store. I've > seen plenty of Kenwoods that are "HD Ready," but none that actually > have the HD part. > > I hope I never see any! And weren't Ford cars supposed to be equipped with IBOC radios by now? I just saw a TV commercial which says if you buy a Ford Focus, you get a free iPod and an FM modulator so you can listen to it while driving. So who needs radio at all when you've got your own MP3 collection? I'm almost thinking that myself, now that all the good music stations in my area have switched to playing all Christmas music. Don't get me wrong, I like Christmas music -- but not in November! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 28 01:26:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18560 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2004 09:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2004 09:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2004 09:26:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 09:25:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 09:25:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 09:25:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 472 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.134 Subject: Now here's a REAL table radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics AM, two Shortwave bands, FM Stereo, magic tuning eye, aux input, bass and treble controls, EQ presets, plus beautiful styling and classic vacuum tube sound... they sure don't make 'em like they used to! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2287721884 This one would be a fairly straightforward conversion to AM Stereo -- and with a Sony-type multi-system decoder, it could even tune in independent-sideband (ISB) transmissions on the Shortwave bands. From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Nov 28 01:30:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28674 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2004 09:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2004 09:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2004 09:29:59 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.180.107]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.2.315.0) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 04:29:51 -0500 Message-ID: <002801c4d52d$05426b20$6bb40642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 04:31:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Now here's a REAL table radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Watch those old German wood "stereo" radios- The FM stereo module was an option on most, and few were ever sold. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 4:25 AM Subject: {AMSF} Now here's a REAL table radio http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2287721884 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 28 01:37:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72566 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2004 09:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2004 09:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2004 09:37:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 09:36:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 09:36:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 09:36:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 189 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.134 Subject: "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo TX on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here's an "Alfredo Lite" low-power AM Stereo transmitter, but Chris isn't the one selling it; it's a full-price resale.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5734572981 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 28 13:36:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37091 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2004 21:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2004 21:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14222.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2004 21:36:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 57613 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2004 21:35:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=aRjZCUo/L87ZrZ2eKdJ6lF9yBs0kQvhDCkth93faOsYlFokaxS3TI6JKmPfU3W38ejCu0yEZqy65+8vEiWVO+/PS4ddmFJaLFvTKbEfs710ExWeV/L2zMZDXLGXeeGw4DVBhqLsO2imtVzvpZqVm+TUu6n4EuypqongTAqFYNyU= ; Message-ID: <20041128213521.57611.qmail@web14222.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.0.194.48] by web14222.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:35:21 PST Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:35:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.171.106 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Now here's a REAL table radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio cc wrote: "Watch those old German wood "stereo" radios- The FM stereo module was an option on most, and few were ever sold." http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2287721884 Q1: Have you ever tried adding a CC AMS decoder to one of the Blaupunkt Wooden Tabletop radios similar to this one? Is there a stereo amp in some of these, as I know that there are 4 speakers in some of them? Q2: Also, what are the "PU" and "FA" pushbuttons for in addition to the OFF / AM / SW / FM pushbuttons? Is the jack on the back for the FM stereo adapter or for adding a turntable, or a tapedeck? Can't read German! Kahn's AMS in the early 1960's on these tube babies would be slick. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Nov 28 13:38:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21678 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2004 21:38:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2004 21:38:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2004 21:38:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 21:38:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 21:38:15 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91337 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2004 10:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2004 10:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2004 10:39:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 10:39:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 10:39:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:39:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002801c4d52d$05426b20$6bb40642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 918 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.35 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Now here's a REAL table radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Nov 2004 21:38:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Watch those old German wood "stereo" radios- The FM stereo module was an option on most, and few were ever sold. Ah, the old days of the add-on Crosby FM demodulators, back when there were several FM stereo formats duking it out....... What we should've gotten for FM stereo was a modified system with the best features of the GE/Zenith system (which we use today) and trhe Crosby system. (One of the BIG mistakes of the Crosby system is that it left much less room for SCA, wich in the 1950s, was actually a big deal back then. Had Crosby taken a narrower FM approach (akin to the RCA AM/FM AM stereo system), and brought it down closer to the audio band, there would've been sufficient room for present-day SCA services. That's right- the Crosby FM/FM system would've won the standard were it not for SCA issues!) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 28 13:54:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10683 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2004 21:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2004 21:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2004 21:54:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 21:53:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 21:53:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:53:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041128213521.57611.qmail@web14222.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 536 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.6 Subject: Re: Now here's a REAL table radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Q2: Also, what are the "PU" and "FA" pushbuttons for in addition to > the OFF / AM / SW / FM pushbuttons? Is the jack on the back for > the FM stereo adapter or for adding a turntable, or a tapedeck? I don't know about "FA", but the "PU" button stands for "pickup", i.e. the external input jack, usually designed for adding a tape deck. Just be careful when poking around with unknown rear panel jacks; I've heard of console radios which apply full AC line voltage to the phono input, to supply power for the turntable motor. From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Nov 28 13:54:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73108 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2004 21:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2004 21:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2004 21:54:23 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.225]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.2.315.0) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:53:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c4d594$f224f180$e1b10642@4bmx301> To: References: <20041128213521.57611.qmail@web14222.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:55:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Now here's a REAL table radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The PU is short for "Pick up"- Phonograph. The other button is a tape. If they say "stereo". they DO have a stereo amp- but as for decoders, one I have has a 525Khz IF- another has a 468 Khz IF, neither one good for decoders. The round plugs on the back are DIN plugs (sockets) common for hooking up tape recorders and turntables in Europe. The multiplex FM adapter plugs in inside, in a 9 pin tube socket deal. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Q1: Have you ever tried adding a CC AMS decoder to one of the Blaupunkt Wooden Tabletop radios similar to this one? Is there a stereo amp in some of these, as I know that there are 4 speakers in some of them? Q2: Also, what are the "PU" and "FA" pushbuttons for in addition to the OFF / AM / SW / FM pushbuttons? Is the jack on the back for the FM stereo adapter or for adding a turntable, or a tapedeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Nov 28 15:02:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93621 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2004 23:02:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2004 23:02:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2004 23:02:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 23:00:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2004 23:00:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:00:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 419 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 207.230.143.240 Subject: Boston/Philly/DC questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Does anyone know if WMKI "Radio Disney" 1260 in Boston is running IBOC fulltime?? Or just occasionally, on a test basis?? Is WEMG/1310 in the Philly area in Stereo, and, if so, how good do they sound?? Also, how about WPGC/1580 in DC?? I went to DC in 2001, and found them to be Mono, am wondering if it was perhaps only a temporary thing? Same question if they are Stereo. How good do they sound? tony s/miami From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 28 17:27:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19177 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 01:27:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2004 01:27:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2004 01:27:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 01:27:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 01:27:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 01:27:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 518 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.6 Subject: Re: Boston/Philly/DC questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Is WEMG/1310 in the Philly area in Stereo, and, if so, how good do > they sound?? > > Also, how about WPGC/1580 in DC?? I went to DC in 2001, and found > them to be Mono, am wondering if it was perhaps only a temporary > thing? Same question if they are Stereo. How good do they sound? I have only heard WEMG ("Mega") and WPGC ("Heaven 1580") via DX, but I can confirm that both of these stations were received in AM Stereo every time I could get a decent signal from them, including within the past year. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Nov 28 18:08:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38442 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 02:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2004 02:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2004 02:08:37 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004112901571101100liqj1e>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 01:57:11 +0000 To: Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:57:34 -0500 Message-ID: <006f01c4d5b6$cc24e270$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.55 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Boston/Philly/DC questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn WMKI is running IBOC during the day, every day. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Anthony [mailto:Bossmsx@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 6:01 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Boston/Philly/DC questions Does anyone know if WMKI "Radio Disney" 1260 in Boston is running IBOC fulltime?? Or just occasionally, on a test basis?? Is WEMG/1310 in the Philly area in Stereo, and, if so, how good do they sound?? Also, how about WPGC/1580 in DC?? I went to DC in 2001, and found them to be Mono, am wondering if it was perhaps only a temporary thing? Same question if they are Stereo. How good do they sound? tony s/miami Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! 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File : /pdf/mc13028.pdf Uploaded by : amstereoguy2001 Description : MC13028 data sheet You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/pdf/mc13028.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, amstereoguy2001 From warp1250amstereo@yahoo.com Mon Nov 29 04:49:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: warp1250amstereo@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96056 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 12:49:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2004 12:49:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2004 12:49:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 12:47:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 12:47:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:47:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 162 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Danny McConnell" X-Originating-IP: 69.209.79.99 Subject: Finally! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162961820 X-Yahoo-Profile: warp1250amstereo A TM-152 has come into my possession! I can't wait till it arrives! :)) Now I just need to set up a good antenna... and enjoy what it has to offer. :)) Danny From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Nov 29 08:29:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15480 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 16:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2004 16:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2004 16:29:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 16:28:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 16:28:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:28:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 416 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: Digital Radio dies! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter This whole platform motion thread has brought up another "nasty" with IBOC: Unless ALL stations - including those not converting to IBOC phase lock their carriers with a GPS reference - co-channel interference will potentially cause the digital signal to revert to analog. The threshold of co-channel interference that messes up C-Quam is VERY low - so nighttime skywave could really wreak havoc with IBOC. From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Nov 29 08:43:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13866 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 16:43:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2004 16:43:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2004 16:43:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 16:43:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 16:43:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:42:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 446 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > I wonder what those kids would think of hearing KMKI in Stereo? (for > example using a Sony SRF-A300 which is currently available afaik) I let them hear my SRF-A1 with a loop antenna. There was some crosstalk from a closer 630, so they were not terribly impressed. What do you want at 330 miles - perfection? It was beautiful stereo at 290 miles, but that extra 40 really brought the 630 close enough to cause significant problems. From tomray@wor710.com Mon Nov 29 09:22:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82724 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 17:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2004 17:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2004 17:22:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 17:20:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 17:20:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:20:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1474 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: WOR related X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "paul mount" wrote: > > Drove up the turnpike, looks like land being cleared just north of > the WOR tower site - is this for the location where the towers > have to move to because of some odd Bergen County land reclamation > action? Part of that clearing is for the WOR relocation. Short version of the long story....we're built on an old dump. State has been trying for ever to get land owners to clean up their sites....our 40 acre cesspool had a cleaning pricetag of $80 Million. And we had nothing to do with any pollution on the site! Corporate had 2 words for the state, and they weren't "no way". So.....the state found a company that leases old dump sites long term (99 years)....goes in and environmentally cleans them, then develops them. The entire dump area (some 2500+ acres) will become 3 golf courses, 1000+ housing units, couple of office buildings, a convention center, and a train station. Our TX building is literally where the 9th hole of one of the golf courses is going to be.....our tower field is where condos will be. So.......the state took our property by eminent domain....we negotiated a complete rebuild of the facility, including everything brand new. Editorial comment: I think I'll rush right out and reserve my timeshare vacation in the Jersey Meadowlands! You should smell the area at low tide....and mosquitos radio into Newark for clearance to land..... Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Nov 29 09:39:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51196 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 17:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2004 17:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2004 17:39:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 17:39:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 17:39:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:39:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6950-41A8BE91-11698@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2318 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > Regarding the recent comments, RE:IBOC > > KOA Denver, KRLD & WBAP Dallas, and the serval Chicago stations are > heard here on a fairly regular basis at night, Any I don't hear any > abnormal interference. While the overall noise level on the AM band > seems higher that it was decades ago, I can't hear noises that sound > like the white noise, frying egg noises that some say that the side > bands and adjacent channels of a IBOC equipped station would generate. > Bill: You have just described the typical listening experience people have with IBOC equipped stations. The "gloom and doom" stories you hear are being generated by people who: - do not like change. - may have their hobby interrupted. - choose to ignore the plight of AM radio. - are not typical listeners who are and have been taking their "business" (ie, listening) elsewhere for a long time now. - do not "get" that broadcasting is a business, and it takes $ to keep the place on the air....$ that continue to decrease with a decrease in listeners. Listening to an AM IBOC station is night and day above analog AM. Talk is clearer.....our phone calls are cleaner....our music bumps and commercials are in stereo, with 60dB separation, and the frequency response is 15kHz. Yes, right now, it is hard to find an IBOC radio. Just like it was when AM stereo was coming into its heyday. THese things take time. It's funny that, with the introduction of AM stereo, we waited for the radios....now we need INSTANT GRATIFICATION, DAMMIT (sad commentary on our society)! Right now, Kenwood makes the units (you can get into one for $400), Panasonic ($999) and JVC ($899). For whatever reason, the radio manufacturers have chosen to put them into their high end radios. That Panasonic, without HD, lists for $899.....so those screaming about the price of the initial radios....what is the difference, as they are all in the high end radios. The non-HD radio is just as expensive. RE: AM IBOC at night....my experience is that skywave is affected just as much by atmospherics as with an IBOC adjacent. If you can't listen clearly to the analog station anyway, where is the issue? Give it a chance.....heaven knows that AM radio needs help. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Nov 29 09:41:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61446 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 17:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2004 17:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2004 17:41:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 17:41:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 17:41:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:41:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 480 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > http://tinyurl.com/5whu2 > > Whenever you search eBay for "HD Radio", 95% of the results you get > are either "HD Radio-READY" radios (which do NOT have an IBOC tuner > built-in), or radios for Harley-Davidson motorcycles. And the point is???????? Search for HD TV.....see that 95% of the results you get are HD READY televisions, with no tuner built in. What's the difference?? Tom Ray WOR From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 29 12:15:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99335 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 20:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2004 20:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2004 20:15:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 48453 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2004 20:15:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=CVQakgjfUkhRBFPX64n1KirOqcEIzz2cV38/qv/fUXjvcAIdbwpZ3uxGKRloa34+GaU3OLxO+WggqpFevScjl8j2wPHFEDGXUQC3JacGeAIdk1jXYSPaJHidSmd9HwDlHYCOPNeKvmVQ02BUT9TZdh2uN/b3nRam2vYXRtCXCQc= ; Message-ID: <20041129201521.48451.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.78] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:15:21 PST Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:15:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > Search for HD TV.....see that 95% of the results you > get are HD READY > televisions, with no tuner built in. What's the > difference?? > > Tom Ray > WOR WalMart has a Sanyo HD television for $649 and it HAS the tuner. This is going to change FAST. Also desktop boxes right now for UNDER $200. You can't get a desktop box to retrofit your HD radio, and don't ever expect one. You CAN get the stuff for listening to DRM way more readily. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Nov 29 12:25:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29144 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 20:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2004 20:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2004 20:25:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 20:23:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 20:23:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:22:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041129201521.48451.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 439 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.94.94.106 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > You can't get a desktop box to retrofit your HD radio, > and don't ever expect one. You CAN get the stuff for > listening to DRM way more readily. IBOC front ends (admittedly tuners in their own right) could have a little FM modulator in them to feed the signal over to an existing FM radio. There might be some benefit to having an AM IBOC tuner feeding an existing car radio - you could get better sounding AM on local stations. From starship_2001@msn.com Mon Nov 29 12:28:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38014 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 20:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2004 20:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.173.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2004 20:28:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:28:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.207.115 by BAY5-DAV31.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:27:36 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:27:35 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20467-41AB8637-1425@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" 's message of Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:15:21 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2004 20:28:00.0664 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB99D980:01C4D651] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.173.61 X-eGroups-From: starship_2001@msn.com (Norbert 26) From: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: [209.240.207.115] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit when will IBOC / HD radios be available at stores like walmart where JOE Q. PUBLIC normally buys radios from ??? If IBOC is to make it radios MUST be available and at cost reason. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Nov 29 12:50:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63204 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 20:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2004 20:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2004 20:50:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 20:49:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 20:49:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:49:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5054 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter A bit of a response if you don't mind: > - do not like change. I'd love any change to even better AM stereo. IBOC is flawed and not it. > - may have their hobby interrupted. I am an AM stereo listener. I do not think that IBOC would give me the same range that I am getting from C-Quam. If the stations I listen to change to IBOC, I will be an early adopter. There are very few hobbyists - as the circuitry involved is quite complex. Although I have bounced around a design to do C-quam in one fully differential op amp, using the common mode input to do product detection and having the two feedback pathways 90 degrees out of phase. > - choose to ignore the plight of AM radio. And the ratings to prove this are: ? AMs are still top rated in many markets. > - are not typical listeners who are and have been taking their > "business" (ie, listening) elsewhere for a long time now. My primary listening is to two C-Quam AM stereo stations. > - do not "get" that broadcasting is a business, and it takes $ to keep > the place on the air....$ that continue to decrease with a decrease in > listeners. Which has much more to do with factors such as the Internet, video games, and DVDs than it does with the quality of the signal. For the remaining - and shrinking - radio audience, it is about content and not quality. I posted it a few posts up - kids eagerly eating static and fading for the music they like. The DX hobby to them is merely a means to an end - their musical taste which differs from what local broadcasters are giving them. > Listening to an AM IBOC station is night and day above analog AM. > Talk is clearer.....our phone calls are cleaner....our music bumps and > commercials are in stereo, with 60dB separation, and the frequency > response is 15kHz. Can't wait until we get it here! But - what about the range? Is it going to hold in there for 100, 200, 300 miles? It does me no good if I am stuck in Guthrie, TX with 6 kHz analog mode instead of 10 kHz stereo C-Quam. > It's funny that, with the introduction of AM stereo, we waited for the > radios....now we need INSTANT GRATIFICATION, DAMMIT (sad commentary on > our society)! You got that right! > RE: AM IBOC at night....my experience is that skywave is affected just > as much by atmospherics as with an IBOC adjacent. If you can't listen > clearly to the analog station anyway, where is the issue? Yes - but what about the phase distortion caused by distant co- channel stations? In the short period of time that IBOC is on near sunset - do distant 710's cause your IBOC coverage to shrink? > Give it a chance.....heaven knows that AM radio needs help. I still would worry about NYC suburbs - and you know they stretch on forever, hearing the buzz saw effect when WLW and WGN fire up IBOC at night. How soon before that causes IBOC to drop out, how many listeners are you willing to sacrifice in your own market so WLW and WGN can be digital as well? I am not trying to be confrontational, here, but I have heard this attempt to marginalize myself and other AM stereo listeners before. We are characterized as: - out of touch with the present - tinkering hobbyists - out of touch with the business aspect of radio - DX'ers - wierd people who listen to radio at night when most people would rather see the Fear factor people eat slugs - non-engineers who aren't qualified to make statements about IBOC --- just about anything to make us seem like some sort of kook whose opinion ought to be ignored. And that results in a lost debate in any debate class you care to take. Of course, I have been guilty of some of the same tactics myself: - I sense a hidden agenda in Jeff Littlejohn's memo to make all stations sound as bad in analog mode as IBOC stations sound in analog mode. I am surprised he didn't push for manadatory white noise phase modulation from 5 to 10 kHz, and amplitude modulated white noise from 10 to 15. Of course there is no hidden agenda in Jeff's suggestion, it is totally a coincidence that he works for Clear Channel that is heavily invested in Ibiquity. - I sense a hidden agenda when a station goes to IBOC, if they have a competitor near in frequency. Certainly Salem did not shut down IBOC on WIND just because it interfered with another of their own stations 100 miles away on 540? Or did they? If Clear Channel saw revenue going away from a local station to one nearby in frequency, would they be tempted to legally jam it? Maybe they are completely above such a thing. What about a 1 kW rim shot country music station in Dallas - facing competition from 1 kW stations 20 kHz away. Wouldn't it be tempting to jam the competition? We have many scenarios like that in DFW, Houston, and other cities just in this state alone. In Houston, above 1200 kHz, there is a semi-local station every 20 kHz. Wouldn't some of them just love to jam some competitors? You bet they would! 15 Spanish stations in one market - talk about cutthroat! From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Nov 29 13:07:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46806 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 21:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2004 21:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2004 21:07:48 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iATL6OX6001953 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:06:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <41AB8E91.6070102@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:03:13 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR related X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now here is the question of the century.. with all that RF from all the stations located within 1 mile of that site.. Under the RFR ruling would there not be a Major Problem like out on the west coast. Ok so Now Lets sell homes not only on an Old Dump site.. But with RF radiation Too.. someone needs to get their head examined... Personally.. with all that RF around that area.. anyone that buys a home there or at the Country Clubs. will have Problems with their TV's and Radios.. Ohh lets net for get their Cheap telephones will Pick up all the stations 1000+ housing units... I for one would Not want to Buy one in that close a proximity to all that RF. I can see it now.. 10x10 fenced areas Marked RF Danger stay out.. all over the golf courses.. and in Peoples driveways.. Neal Looking at reality..... Tom Ray wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "paul mount" wrote: > > >>Drove up the turnpike, looks like land being cleared just north of >>the WOR tower site - is this for the location where the towers >>have to move to because of some odd Bergen County land reclamation >>action? >> >> > >Part of that clearing is for the WOR relocation. > >Short version of the long story....we're built on an old dump. State >has been trying for ever to get land owners to clean up their >sites....our 40 acre cesspool had a cleaning pricetag of $80 Million. > And we had nothing to do with any pollution on the site! Corporate >had 2 words for the state, and they weren't "no way". > >So.....the state found a company that leases old dump sites long term >(99 years)....goes in and environmentally cleans them, then develops >them. The entire dump area (some 2500+ acres) will become 3 golf >courses, 1000+ housing units, couple of office buildings, a convention >center, and a train station. Our TX building is literally where the >9th hole of one of the golf courses is going to be.....our tower field >is where condos will be. > >So.......the state took our property by eminent domain....we >negotiated a complete rebuild of the facility, including everything >brand new. > >Editorial comment: I think I'll rush right out and reserve my >timeshare vacation in the Jersey Meadowlands! You should smell the >area at low tide....and mosquitos radio into Newark for clearance to >land..... > >Tom Ray >WOR > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Nov 29 13:12:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30132 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 21:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2004 21:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2004 21:12:29 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iATLA0X6002031 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:10:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <41AB8F68.3080004@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:06:48 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Reason He really does Not hear the IBOC at Night. and I could be mistaken its not allowed at night at this time... Tom Ray wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > > >> Regarding the recent comments, RE:IBOC >> >> >> > > > >> KOA Denver, KRLD & WBAP Dallas, and the serval Chicago stations are >>heard here on a fairly regular basis at night, Any I don't hear any >>abnormal interference. While the overall noise level on the AM band >>seems higher that it was decades ago, I can't hear noises that sound >>like the white noise, frying egg noises that some say that the side >>bands and adjacent channels of a IBOC equipped station would generate. >> >> >> > > >Bill: > >You have just described the typical listening experience people have >with IBOC equipped stations. > >The "gloom and doom" stories you hear are being generated by people who: >- do not like change. >- may have their hobby interrupted. >- choose to ignore the plight of AM radio. >- are not typical listeners who are and have been taking their >"business" (ie, listening) elsewhere for a long time now. >- do not "get" that broadcasting is a business, and it takes $ to keep >the place on the air....$ that continue to decrease with a decrease in >listeners. > >Listening to an AM IBOC station is night and day above analog AM. >Talk is clearer.....our phone calls are cleaner....our music bumps and >commercials are in stereo, with 60dB separation, and the frequency >response is 15kHz. > >Yes, right now, it is hard to find an IBOC radio. Just like it was >when AM stereo was coming into its heyday. THese things take time. >It's funny that, with the introduction of AM stereo, we waited for the >radios....now we need INSTANT GRATIFICATION, DAMMIT (sad commentary on >our society)! Right now, Kenwood makes the units (you can get into >one for $400), Panasonic ($999) and JVC ($899). For whatever reason, >the radio manufacturers have chosen to put them into their high end >radios. That Panasonic, without HD, lists for $899.....so those >screaming about the price of the initial radios....what is the >difference, as they are all in the high end radios. The non-HD radio >is just as expensive. > >RE: AM IBOC at night....my experience is that skywave is affected just >as much by atmospherics as with an IBOC adjacent. If you can't listen >clearly to the analog station anyway, where is the issue? > >Give it a chance.....heaven knows that AM radio needs help. > >Tom Ray >WOR > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Nov 29 13:28:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51855 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 21:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2004 21:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2004 21:28:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 21:26:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 21:26:30 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68709 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 19:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2004 19:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2004 19:24:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 19:23:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2004 19:23:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:23:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2822 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.6 Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 29 Nov 2004 21:26:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > Yes, right now, it is hard to find an IBOC radio. Just like it was > when AM stereo was coming into its heyday. THese things take time. > It's funny that, with the introduction of AM stereo, we waited for the > radios....now we need INSTANT GRATIFICATION, DAMMIT (sad commentary on > our society)! Not quite so on both counts. AM stereo radios were easy to obtain, if you knew what you were looking for. True, they weren't always on the shelves, but if you knew the radio you were interested in, if they don't have it, the dealers in that brand could always special-order it. In larger cities, AMS radios could be found easily. It was a challenge to find an AMS radio if you lived in a smaller city, even if that city was served by an AMS station. Sony's radios were on the market for around $100 by 1983. (I got my 'A100 in '85 for $75 from Grove, via an ad in Radio-Elecvtronics.) Radio Shack's TM-152 was much more ubiquitous, although they came out in '85-'86, for no more than $60. AMS radios were not CHEAP, but they weren't EXPENSIVE, either- Most radios, be they home, audio, or portable/personal, were lower mid- range. Even when Radio Shack bought up Sony's stock of SRF-42s (I bought mine before RS had it- It cost me $49, bought through my Sony dealer), it became the cheapest AMS radio ever on the market, at $29, which was, admittedly, late in the game...yet they sold. Perhaps the easiest AMS radios one could find on the market in the early days of AMS were aftermarket car radios, most between $80-$160. (Even back then, this was still mid-range.) Nearly every car audio dealer had them available until the aftermarket receivers dried up in the early '90s. AM stereo actually DID get near-instantanious introduction to the public with receivers and such- Many AMS stations started giving away AMS radios as promotions as early as 1983. KFI of Los Angeles did so by Decedmber of '83- I even had an entry for one of their drawings back then. AM stereo was out there, and it was getting heard, but as I've repeatedly said, there was no mechanism at the time to gauge AMS listenership then or now, and because of this lack of knowledge, it's been either quietly dying or actively discouraged. Now, as to IBOC.... You may have the stereo going, but who's listening? Very few actually HAVE IBOC radios out there, and they're not out there very much for public access. And what there is, is priced so far out of reach for most, that the dollar value of any added value in HD Radio is seriously negated. Only the gotta-have- every-new-gadget techtoy buyers (the "Sharper Image" crowd) will bother, simply because it's new and just a bit different. But is it really worth it? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Nov 29 16:03:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69872 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 23:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2004 23:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.241.34) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2004 23:56:07 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041129235607.UUXX27697.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:56:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <39938246-4262-11D9-9564-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:56:02 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.34 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The top one, and the bottom half. AM is in REAL trouble except for the=20 FEW successful ones. On Nov 29, 2004, at 12:49 PM, Bruce Carter wrote: > > - choose to ignore the plight of AM radio. > > And the ratings to prove this are: ?=A0 AMs are still top rated in > many markets. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Nov 29 16:06:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30400 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 23:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2004 23:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao06.cox.net) (68.230.241.33) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2004 23:53:51 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041129235325.VLED29028.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:53:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:53:22 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.33 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I blame the transistor. When you had to wait for the tubes on your radio or TV to warm up, you learned to be patient. Richard Wagoner On Nov 29, 2004, at 9:39 AM, Tom Ray wrote: > now we need INSTANT GRATIFICATION, DAMMIT (sad commentary on > our society)! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Nov 29 16:27:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64918 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 00:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 00:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 00:27:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 00:26:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 00:26:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:26:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <41AB8F68.3080004@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 342 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.253.80.242 Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > The Reason He really does Not hear the IBOC at Night. and I could be > mistaken > its not allowed at night at this time... There is a short period of time near sunset / sunrise where he could potentially be getting interference from other 710's. I thought that was clear in my post. Thanks for making sure I expressed it clearly. From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Nov 29 16:40:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16116 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 00:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 00:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 00:40:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 00:40:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 00:38:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:38:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39938246-4262-11D9-9564-000D9356B656@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1886 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.253.80.242 Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > The top one, and the bottom half. AM is in REAL trouble except for the > FEW successful ones. So why is there always a clamoring of people that want to start new stations? They can't all be hobbyists / radio wannabes. If somebody goes bankrupt, there are probably a dozen people who would love to take over the frequency. Frankly, the band is overcrowded as it is. If 10% of the stations around the country were to go bankrupt, lets suppose, and nobody was waiting in the wings to take the license - I doubt you would hear the difference at night. It is the conglomerates who have profit projections at risk. I could care less. If Clear Channel and the others went under tomorrow, radio would be the better for it because local ownership and diversity in programming would be increased as a multitude of smaller groups and local owners rushed to fill in the gaps. Nope - the things threatening AM radio (not necessarily in any order) are: (1) The FCC that couldn't give a darn about interference. They let anything go. (2) Our "friendly" neighbor to the south that is border blasting (3) IBOC, which will make the whole band so noisy nobody will want to listen. Power lines, lightning, flourescent lights, 10 kHz heterodynes are bad enough. Now, lets add a buzz saw and bacon frying to the list of AM maladies. All so a few stations can have 15 kHz audio on talk shows and stereo commercials. (4) The radio conglomerates, who reduce programming to the lowest common denominator possible and then clone it in every city. (5) Receiver manufacturers, who put out garbage and call it a radio. +/- 40 kHz IF bandwidth is good for local music stations only. It is wasted on talk and sports shows. (6) DSL - a horrific new source of interference that the FCC, again, failed to regulate. I can think of lots more, but I think I have made my point. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Nov 29 16:58:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42736 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 00:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 00:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 00:58:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 00:58:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 00:58:05 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13218 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 00:27:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 00:27:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 00:27:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 00:26:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 00:26:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:26:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2720 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.6 Subject: AMS and IBOC, two years on. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 30 Nov 2004 00:57:20 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 We're soon coming up to the public introduction of IBOC's second anniversary, so it gives us a moment to think of where things are today with IBOC, and where they were at this point in the public introduction of AMS. In both instances, it's been said that their respective radios were "difficult to get". Having lived through the original AMS days, I can tell you this wasn't really so for AMS, at least on a comparative scale. Not everyone had them available, true, but you could find them quite readily if you knew where to look. For IBOC, this has been a tougher issue. Actual receivers have only been introduced in a small number of cities in a very limited capacity. By 1985, AM stereo's second public year (actually, I think third- Didn't the SRF-A1 come out in '82?), AM stereo stations were just beginning to peak in the US at nearly 700 broadcasters, with several portables (mostly Sony), some home tuners (Technics, Marantz, Sony, Denon), and car tuners (Alpine, Clarion, etc.), all available at mid- range prices and higher. AM stereo was thriving in its heyday, but due to a number of forces, it was called a "failure". In fact, there seemed to be an active discouragement, due only in part because of shenanigans from both the Kahn and Harris camps. The thing about the AMS systems of the day was, they were transparent to the casual listener. This transparency is utterly nonexistant with IBOC today, and does much to actually discredit any potential the new system may have at consumer acceptance. Unfortunately, the way things appear in the IBOC community, the consumers' concerns are really the last thing on anyone's minds. It's all B2B- All about forcing a very flawed system down many broadcasters' throats at costs that are at least 5x the cost of new C- QUAM equipment, with C-QUAM having a much larger, and far more established base trhan anything IBOC has. It could be said IBOC is at the same point DAB was at in its second year, but DAB has its own bands, rather than taking over an already- widely-used band. (Some countries, like Canada, could make the claim that DAB is a failure, while the UK is having a success with DAB.) I think many of us here can agree that IBOC is a badly-flawed idea that simply should not go beyond the experimental stage. (I and others have also stated that we don't see the harm in TESTING IBOC, as otherwise, we wouldn't find out just what's wrong with it, and why it really should be opposed, vigorously. It's this "you better get used to it, 'cos we're jamming it down your throats and all over your radio, and you're going to LIKE it, regardless what you say" attitude that I, and others, don't like.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Nov 29 17:04:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98006 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 00:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 00:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 00:58:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 00:57:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 00:57:47 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1147 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 00:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 00:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 00:30:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 00:30:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 00:30:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:30:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041129201521.48451.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 388 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.6 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 30 Nov 2004 00:57:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > You can't get a desktop box to retrofit your HD radio, > and don't ever expect one. You CAN get the stuff for > listening to DRM way more readily. Largely because DRM is, for the most part, "open source". Hell, you can now TRANSMIT in DRM for free, now-- Well, free plus parts. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon Nov 29 17:06:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21067 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 01:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 01:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 01:06:10 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.53.86]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:06:04 -0700 Message-ID: <008801c4d679$334281c0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <41AB8E91.6070102@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:09:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2004 01:06:05.0348 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4729640:01C4D678] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR related X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I get enough complaints running only 5kW. Can't imagine the hassle of being within a mile of 50kW powerhouse. How do you handle the complaints, Tom (or Kerry)? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > Ok so Now Lets sell homes not only on an Old Dump site.. But with RF > radiation Too.. > someone needs to get their head examined... Personally.. with all that > RF around that area.. > anyone that buys a home there or at the Country Clubs. will have > Problems with their TV's and Radios.. Ohh lets net for get their Cheap > telephones will Pick up all the stations > 1000+ housing units... I for one would Not want to Buy one in that close > a proximity to all that RF. From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Nov 29 17:07:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35238 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 01:07:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 01:07:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 01:07:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 01:07:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 01:07:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 01:07:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 208 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.253.80.242 Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > I blame the transistor. When you had to wait for the tubes on your > radio or TV to warm up, you learned to be patient. Good one! My best AM tuners are still tube - Fisher AM-80 and Hammarlund SP-600JX From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon Nov 29 17:11:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41289 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 01:11:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 01:11:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 01:11:17 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.53.86]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:11:15 -0700 Message-ID: <009c01c4d679$ec7e3ee0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:14:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2004 01:11:16.0004 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D9CEE40:01C4D679] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Finally! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Let us know what you're able to hear with it, both local and DX. It can be easily tweaked to cover the expanded band with some sacrifice in dial calibration. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danny McConnell" > A TM-152 has come into my possession! I can't wait till it > arrives! :)) Now I just need to set up a good antenna... and enjoy > what it has to offer. :)) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Nov 29 17:15:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91824 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 01:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 01:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 01:15:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 01:14:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 01:14:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 01:14:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 300 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.145 Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I blame the transistor. When you had to wait for the tubes on your > radio or TV to warm up, you learned to be patient. A few companies tried selling "instant-on" TV sets, which kept the tube filaments on all the time. After a few houses burned down because of it, they gave up on that idea. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Nov 29 17:22:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 57901 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 01:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 01:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 01:22:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 01:22:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 01:22:18 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12435 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 01:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 01:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 01:10:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 01:09:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 01:09:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 01:09:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3014 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.6 Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 30 Nov 2004 01:22:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > > The top one, and the bottom half. AM is in REAL trouble except for > the > > FEW successful ones. > > So why is there always a clamoring of people that want to start new > stations? They can't all be hobbyists / radio wannabes. If > somebody goes bankrupt, there are probably a dozen people who would > love to take over the frequency. For the huge multistation groups, it's cheap to get on the air. Low ad revenues are fine to them, since they don't need to cover any real expenditures, like salaries and royalties & such. > Frankly, the band is overcrowded as it is. If 10% of the stations > around the country were to go bankrupt, lets suppose, and nobody was > waiting in the wings to take the license - I doubt you would hear > the difference at night. I think the AM band needs to be reprioritized, where certain frequencies are designated for large-area broadcasting....such as the old "clear channel" broadcasters. > Nope - the things threatening AM radio (not necessarily in any > order) are: > > (1) The FCC that couldn't give a darn about interference. They let > anything go. Funny how 20-some years go by...... Remember the FCC's complaints about Harris and Kahn? > (2) Our "friendly" neighbor to the south that is border blasting I don't get many Mexicans- Never really did, even when I visited LA earlier this year. Now, in Florida and the East Coast, you have Cuba...... They's the troublemakers! > (3) IBOC, which will make the whole band so noisy nobody will want > to listen. Power lines, lightning, flourescent lights, 10 kHz > heterodynes are bad enough. Now, lets add a buzz saw and bacon > frying to the list of AM maladies. All so a few stations can have > 15 kHz audio on talk shows and stereo commercials. I have been saying these things for quite a while. IBOC won't attract listeners, but rather, drive them away. Who wins? Only the money- traders. > (4) The radio conglomerates, who reduce programming to the lowest > common denominator possible and then clone it in every city. And an FCC willing to take their money, letting them essentially have free reign, until somebody does something ANOTHER corporate (with better money) doesn't like. > (5) Receiver manufacturers, who put out garbage and call it a > radio. +/- 40 kHz IF bandwidth is good for local music stations > only. It is wasted on talk and sports shows. How about simply flooding the market with $1 (!) radios of only marginal quality? There once was a time when radios were not cheap investments, but something worth a week's wages- even more. Now, we demand our radios be as cheap as possible, because we're not really willing to pay more than an hour's wage to listen to the latest tunes or news. > (6) DSL - a horrific new source of interference that the FCC, again, > failed to regulate. I have DSL. I don't get ANY RFI fromn my DSL. Do you mean BPL? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 29 17:44:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69128 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 01:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 01:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 01:44:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 88407 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2004 01:43:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=lbYMAPF/X2dwsM/qInu9M3rQh0uL0kf6ZOZQInOvSX4kQOOp5j6LlJuDvHrZcadd94KmYoV8hSFL9YMmN0wkf2Vcvc5EdaM6nCkH/zD96+r+Jn6wgy7qllDU2atNETyP7puii2xVK1U/FSmwmUwLEvGY/5sf3f/V5AEXYTm1gX8= ; Message-ID: <20041130014332.88405.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.73] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:43:31 PST Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:43:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving - IBOC is dead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > You can't get a desktop box to retrofit your HD > radio, > > and don't ever expect one. You CAN get the stuff > for > > listening to DRM way more readily. > > Largely because DRM is, for the most part, "open > source". Hell, you > can now TRANSMIT in DRM for free, now-- Well, free > plus parts. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ You are exactly right. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 29 17:45:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68457 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 01:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 01:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 01:45:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 66253 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2004 01:45:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=tUDAIL/7XLOqC15rgaq98VN3ncr95naSHg9LvuCR7F9IlZjZbO5eFZbYfbeawisVj5Ur/1T8rZvKom5u2JPZEShOLqUNjGwZgjO/tfRXbPKhhJCYzu4VgxIU0N1RTCURtl1aHFhHcQqqO92LYjO6EkBhDexWvqCskiYAMtKNhDo= ; Message-ID: <20041130014545.66251.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.73] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:45:45 PST Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:45:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Bruce Carter wrote: > (6) DSL - a horrific new source of interference that > the FCC, again, > failed to regulate. > I can think of lots more, but I think I have made my > point. I can play my radio next to my friend's computer and he has DSL. There's another 3 letter Internet word we REALLY need to be afraid of ..... BPL...... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 29 17:51:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4906 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 01:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 01:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52409.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.117) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 01:51:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 84222 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2004 01:51:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=WYiSAwiuYi02tzQmpOtUkz6OD1NOhIPehXAC6Fa4ek5LlOG7bquoyDco9rc6ablUAG8pK2y4Xjk/XlsZKKt34hV8wvqYJ7OV7l6AUTwDkGi5CDAX5Lkh86RAkpoKBWv1r+aLkAsUVoZ1eHgxz1sTj+YmXE4Y7dk4EF2Rb61s4Us= ; Message-ID: <20041130015101.84220.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.73] by web52409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:51:01 PST Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:51:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.117 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > How about simply flooding the market with $1 (!) > radios of only > marginal quality? There once was a time when radios > were not cheap > investments, but something worth a week's wages- > even more. Now, we > demand our radios be as cheap as possible, because > we're not really > willing to pay more than an hour's wage to listen to > the latest tunes > or news. Even ones costing more are not any good. TRY and find a good clock radio. ( NO you can NOT count the Tivoli or BA Receptor). I bought a GE at WalMart. What a POS. I went back to the old Panasonic RC-97. I bought one new years ago. NOW I have managed to find 2 more at a thrift store for $5 each. Cleaning them up, and the radio works FAR better than anything else and it's a product of the 80's. And lets not forget the GE 7-4887 which was nearly $100 back then. All digital. And it worked. > I have DSL. I don't get ANY RFI fromn my DSL. Do you > mean BPL? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I think so. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 29 17:54:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97987 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 01:54:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 01:54:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 01:54:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 64660 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2004 01:53:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=IM/1+WM7kwy+x2rjcPMfpA7E6Cn8tt96i1HhhauAe9HW1g/RWTVSji9ltsHCp+e9wc2/EJkChj89KSzLHZc1hjlU6hhtEueW8NIXJe5KAjnUkT8FSuw2EMyYBRwlV9UPcPd2RTk/WrprGFII61yBKGK7EEgFQq7LpJ/t4UQcV48= ; Message-ID: <20041130015352.64658.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.73] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:53:52 PST Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:53:52 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > > I blame the transistor. When you had to wait for > the tubes on your > > radio or TV to warm up, you learned to be patient. > A few companies tried selling "instant-on" TV sets, > which kept the > tube filaments on all the time. After a few houses > burned down > because of it, they gave up on that idea. RCA's FIRST all solid state TV the CTC-46 ( I have one getting ready for the dump) had filaments on the CRT at all time. Guess what THAT did to CRT life. As a note, I'd have kept the set, except the CRT is bad, and then the tripler failed. I'm tossing the set and pulling all the modules. I have to take the set apart to toss it. It's too heavy for me to move it otherwise. (Set is early 70's). Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Nov 29 18:14:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83126 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 02:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 02:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.82) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 02:14:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:14:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:13:46 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:13:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2004 02:14:00.0985 (UTC) FILETIME=[41B77090:01C4D682] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.82 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > I think the AM band needs to be reprioritized, where certain frequencies are designated for large-area broadcasting....such as the old "clear channel" broadcasters. Yes, and the clears should be CLEAR and only allow a broadcasting company to own one Clear. > > I don't get many Mexicans- Never really did, even when I visited LA earlier this year. Now, in Florida and the East Coast, you have Cuba...... They's the troublemakers! I miss listening to the old Mexican "Border Blasters" such as XEROK. I would LOVE to be able to hear interesting programming on the AM dial at night again. You are right, Cuba and other signals from the South makes AM radio here in Florida all but useless. If ol' Fidel was SMART, he would fire up one of his megawatt AMs with a C-QUAM signal playing American music with occasional propoganda. He would have a BUNCH of American listeners. About 15 or 20 years ago Castro had one of his Ionosphere melting AMs on the air with "Tourism Radio" giving audio tours of the island, playing Cuban music, advertising Cuban cigars, hotels, Airline fares from Canada, and what have you. You could hear it all over North America. It was kind of like listening to Radio Havanna, but better programmed, IMOHO The bottom line is making a cleaner signal will not help AM. Better programming won't help much. Localism can't help if you can't even hear the station for the noise. It is only a combination of better radios, better programming, less QRM, and more localism that will attract listeners back to AM. It is mostly a lack of origninal, local programming that is fueling the Pirate Radio commmunity. It seems that the ONLY entertaining radio listening is on the pirate stations....I am listening to a Techno music show right now on 6925. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From zebra@strangeanimals.net Mon Nov 29 18:57:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77249 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 02:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 02:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 02:57:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 02:56:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2004 02:56:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:55:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 440 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "amradiozebra" X-Originating-IP: 67.164.23.118 Subject: cheap modern radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra hmm yes indeed - new radios are pretty bad. though the cheap GE I last played with *was* above average. My clock radio is 47+ years old and has sweet sound even if it has no snooze button, it will turn the radio on 15 minutes before the buzzer goes off, which is a nice sort of wakeup. the most recent really nice clock radio I know of was the Zenith Circle Of Sound - with really amazing sound quality and a basic electronic LED clock. From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Nov 29 19:46:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3938 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 03:46:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 03:46:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.241.34) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 03:46:40 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041130034615.ZPPF27697.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:46:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <61ADE278-4282-11D9-9564-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:46:13 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.34 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I remember those sets. Why would they cause fires? Leaving a set on all=20 the time wasn't ever a problem, was it? Shouldn't be any worse. Unless people put something (clothes, for example) on top when they=20 thought the set was "off"? My old Harman Kardon Citation set (I, II, and III ... FM only) could=20 heat the entire house with all the tubes it had. Richard On Nov 29, 2004, at 5:14 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > > I blame the transistor. When you had to wait for the tubes on your > > radio or TV to warm up, you learned to be patient. > > A few companies tried selling "instant-on" TV sets, which kept the > tube filaments on all the time.=A0 After a few houses burned down > because of it, they gave up on that idea. > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Nov 29 21:13:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84301 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 05:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 05:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.241.30) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 05:13:32 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041130051321.ECNR14654.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:13:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <8A7F886C-428E-11D9-9564-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:13:16 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.30 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} cheap modern radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like my Sharper Image "Sound Soother" clock radios (about 8-10 years old now). Very nice sound with two alarms. Sounds great on both AM and FM. I don't know who made them, but I THINK it may have been Sangeon (spelling is probably wrong). I also have a Circle of Sound clock radio ... radio likes to turn on and off intermittantly. Holds the time fairly long when there is a power failure ... all without a battery. Nicest sounding clock radio I have heard lately is a Cambridge Soundworks. Nicest in the past was an RCA tube model my grandmother had in her kitchen. In case you're wondering, or even if you are not, other radios I own: GE Superadio III Smaller GE portable Delco tube AM Carver TX11b Marantz 2215b Sansui receiver (forget the model; worst AM section EVER) Sears intercom system with a NICE AM section Fisher tube receiver (forget the model; the one with AM and FM tuning eye tubes) with an AM section that is better than anything else I have ever heard FIsher AM-80 (which will probably go up for sale very soon) Harman Kardon Citation I, II and III (tuner has only FM). That's about it, I think. Richard Wagoner On Nov 29, 2004, at 6:55 PM, amradiozebra wrote: > > hmm yes indeed - new radios are pretty bad. > > though the cheap GE I last played with *was* above average. > > My clock radio is 47+ years old and has sweet sound even if it has no > snooze button, it will turn the radio on 15 minutes before the buzzer > goes off, which is a nice sort of wakeup. > > the most recent really nice clock radio I know of was the Zenith > Circle Of Sound - with really amazing sound quality and a basic > electronic LED clock. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Nov 29 21:34:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95533 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 05:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 05:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao02.cox.net) (68.230.241.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 05:34:37 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041130053436.ZJAU29955.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:34:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20041130015352.64658.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041130015352.64658.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <841BF443-4291-11D9-9564-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:34:33 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.37 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ooh, those XL100s with that lousy plug-in module design? It still=20 worked? Don't know if mine was the CTC-46, but it did have a horizontal=20 rocker switch for power on the front, top right. That was one of the=20 worst set designs I ever had the unfortunate experience of owning.=20 Great tuner, but I spent a fortune to replace modules, then -- as with=20 so many RCA TVs from the 1970s to now (seems like all of them, other=20 than the Colortrak line, which was quite good) -- had bad pincushion=20 problems. I HATED that damn set. Hated it. So much that I never bought=20 an RCA ANYTHING again. (Wait, sorry, bought an RCA VCR that lasted=20 about a year before becoming trash ... the shortest I have ever owned a=20 VCR. My theory: RCA made such crap that they even drove all the other US=20 manufacturers out of business. Richard Wagoner On Nov 29, 2004, at 5:53 PM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > > > > > I blame the transistor. When you had to wait for > > the tubes on your > > > radio or TV to warm up, you learned to be patient. > > > > A few companies tried selling "instant-on" TV sets, > > which kept the > > tube filaments on all the time.=A0 After a few houses > > burned down > > because of it, they gave up on that idea. > > RCA's FIRST all solid state TV the CTC-46 ( I have one > getting ready for the dump) had filaments on the CRT > at all time. Guess what THAT did to CRT life.=A0 As a > note, I'd have kept the set, except the CRT is bad, > and then the tripler failed. I'm tossing the set and > pulling all the modules. I have to take the set apart > to toss it. It's too heavy for me to move it > otherwise. (Set is early 70's).=A0 > > > Powell > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > powell@pcmessages.com=A0 http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <111704_1104_g_300250a.gif> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kya1260@lycos.com Tue Nov 30 11:31:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84233 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 19:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 19:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 19:31:23 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id EF1E5180023D for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:31:00 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 30 Nov 2004 19:30:43 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 160E8CA094; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:30:43 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [68.125.55.37] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:30:43 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: tomray@wor710.com Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:30:43 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20041130193043.160E8CA094@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Jay Arnold" X-Originating-IP: 68.125.55.37 Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Greetings, Tom... There is still one bugaboo that worries me about IBOC:=20 as I mentioned Thanksgiving Weekend, there is - according to a San Francisco Bay Area engineer familiar with IBOC - an 8.3 second delay for analog-to-digital transmission via IBOC... Is that true, Tom?=20 And if it IS true, how would you like to listen to a live baseball or other sports game on an IBOC-broadcast station,=20 and have that kind of delay - especially if you are listening=20 AT the site of the game? Or turning the TV set down to listen to the radio announcers instead, which is done by some (especially if you watch Fox Sports or CBS-TV for football games in SFO, since the TV Announcers are sub-par)? Cordially curious and concerned, --Jay KVON-AM Stereo/KVYN-FM "GoldVine" Host/Producer KVYN Morning Personality < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > ************************ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:39:06 -0000 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > > Regarding the recent comments, RE:IBOC >=20 > > KOA Denver, KRLD & WBAP Dallas, and the serval Chicago stations ar= e > > heard here on a fairly regular basis at night, Any I don't hear any > > abnormal interference. While the overall noise level on the AM band > > seems higher that it was decades ago, I can't hear noises that sound > > like the white noise, frying egg noises that some say that the side > > bands and adjacent channels of a IBOC equipped station would generate. > > >=20 >=20 > Bill: >=20 > You have just described the typical listening experience people have > with IBOC equipped stations. >=20 > The "gloom and doom" stories you hear are being generated by people who: > - do not like change. > - may have their hobby interrupted. > - choose to ignore the plight of AM radio. > - are not typical listeners who are and have been taking their > "business" (ie, listening) elsewhere for a long time now. > - do not "get" that broadcasting is a business, and it takes $ to keep > the place on the air....$ that continue to decrease with a decrease in > listeners. >=20 > Listening to an AM IBOC station is night and day above analog AM. > Talk is clearer.....our phone calls are cleaner....our music bumps and > commercials are in stereo, with 60dB separation, and the frequency > response is 15kHz. >=20 > Yes, right now, it is hard to find an IBOC radio. Just like it was > when AM stereo was coming into its heyday. THese things take time. > It's funny that, with the introduction of AM stereo, we waited for the > radios....now we need INSTANT GRATIFICATION, DAMMIT (sad commentary on > our society)! Right now, Kenwood makes the units (you can get into > one for $400), Panasonic ($999) and JVC ($899). For whatever reason, > the radio manufacturers have chosen to put them into their high end > radios. That Panasonic, without HD, lists for $899.....so those > screaming about the price of the initial radios....what is the > difference, as they are all in the high end radios. The non-HD radio > is just as expensive. >=20 > RE: AM IBOC at night....my experience is that skywave is affected just > as much by atmospherics as with an IBOC adjacent. If you can't listen > clearly to the analog station anyway, where is the issue? >=20 > Give it a chance.....heaven knows that AM radio needs help. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From tomray@wor710.com Tue Nov 30 12:06:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68995 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 20:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 20:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO worradio.com) (198.66.222.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 20:06:18 -0000 Received: from tomray (h-67-100-227-198.nycmny83.covad.net [67.100.227.198]) (authenticated bits=0) by worradio.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iAUK2uTw088775; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:03:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200411302003.iAUK2uTw088775@worradio.com> To: "'Jay Arnold'" , Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:02:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcTXEybj5UpFYLEuQnCNR5zDLpxd5wAAobSA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20041130193043.160E8CA094@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.66.222.76 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: RE: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Greetings, Tom... There is still one bugaboo that worries me about IBOC: as I mentioned Thanksgiving Weekend, there is - according to a San Francisco Bay Area engineer familiar with IBOC - an 8.3 second delay for analog-to-digital transmission via IBOC... Is that true, Tom? Hey Jay! Actually, the delay is 8.7 seconds for AM.....about 6 seconds for FM. This allows the analog signal to time sync with the digital signal. And if it IS true, how would you like to listen to a live baseball or other sports game on an IBOC-broadcast station, and have that kind of delay - especially if you are listening AT the site of the game? Stations doing this are advised to install a Part 15 transmitter at the game location to provide a non-delayed feed. Consider this.....there are 25,000 people at the game, and let's say 10,000 are listening (that's probably being generous). You have 250,000 people driving around listening to the game. You don't play to the 10,000 persons in the stands, you play to the larger audience. You could also un-sync the analog, but the person with an IBOC radio in the car will get a very abrupt blend which is out of sync by 8.7 seconds. If they are in a fringe digital area, this would be extremely annoying. Or turning the TV set down to listen to the radio announcers instead, which is done by some (especially if you watch Fox Sports or CBS-TV for football games in SFO, since the TV Announcers are sub-par)? I don't consider this argument valid (we carry Rutgers sports). The network takes the feed in on digital satellite which has not only an up/down delay, but a digital coding delay. The network then feeds it to the bird for distribution, which adds its own up/down delay plus a coding delay. You local TV station pulls it down and sticks it into a digital STL, which has a coding delay. Or, you are watching on DirecTV, which adds yet another up/down delay plus coding delay (the DirecTV feed delay from real time is around 3 full seconds!). No matter what you do with the radio signal, you will never be in sync with the TV feed. This was a question that was asked to me by a station in St. Thomas I consult. They asked why they heard the crack of the bat on the air before they saw it on their DirecTV dish....the reason is all the up/down delays on the TV feed. They were curious if they could use their profanity delay to sync the two, but I told them to watch the game on the cable TV feed there....and the delay was different than off the DirecTV dish or even directly off the network feed on C-Band. There is going to be a learning curve with IBOC and digital radio and television in general. Television has a bigger issue with IFB feeds for reporters in the field (for stations presently using off-air IFB feeds). But our jobs as Engineers is to find the way around them.....not complain about them. The times - they are a changin'.....and life is going to start getting very interesting. TR Thomas R. Ray, III, CPBE Corporate Director of Engineering Buckley Broadcasting/WOR Radio Chairman, Society of Broadcast Engineers, Chapter 15 New York City 212-642-4462 phax: 212-921-4751 From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Nov 30 14:05:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35034 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 22:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2004 22:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 22:05:27 -0000 Received: from [4.247.143.56] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CZG7e-0001z5-2Z for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:05:23 -0500 Message-ID: <410-220041123022530296@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:05:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc45053256a9b3b278b2167dd083e2980f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.86.89.67 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Originating-IP: 4.247.143.56 Subject: RE: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 I switched back and forth watching the same live program on our two local PBS TV stations (WEDU & WUSF) the other night, and they were not in sync with each other. Dick W. Tampa > Tom Ray said: No matter what you do with the radio signal, you > will never be in sync with the TV feed. From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 30 16:21:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81442 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2004 00:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2004 00:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52409.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.117) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2004 00:21:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 5075 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2004 00:21:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=GCq1qa06Ts6cmvxkvQDRosspQye0AwXFot+y19q/SSezMpvixb6KTXKzkcVcpOLciOOfmPL/QQi879tLY0eHDU2ekVXqEKZhJZZYv3Xskvknz067cw8hPgUHWIFgvEZF20ZBCGpM6ii8V89Q8H2QT7cnj3QQYRs/TIz8p41XXe0= ; Message-ID: <20041201002135.5073.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.109] by web52409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:21:35 PST Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:21:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8A7F886C-428E-11D9-9564-000D9356B656@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.117 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} cheap modern radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > I also have a Circle of Sound clock radio ... radio > likes to turn on > and off intermittantly. Holds the time fairly long > when there is a > power failure ... all without a battery. The digital clock ( there was a model with an analog moving numbers version) has a soldered in 1.5 NiCd battery for back up. > Nicest sounding clock radio I have heard lately is a > Cambridge Soundworks. Is it better than the Boston Acoustics Receptor? > Nicest in the past was an RCA tube model my > grandmother had in her kitchen. I have a LATE production AA5 very BASIC RCA clock radio. Works fine. I have 2 Zenith AA5's that are just screamers. One white, one HOT (VERY HOT) Pink. In the bedroom on the radio tower.... ( Bottom Hammurlund HQ-180A, middle Zenith High Fidelity.....and atop the tower....a top of the line AM-FM Zenith Clock radio with plug in back that can handle 1800 watts. I have so many others it would take forever to list them!! Powell > In case you're wondering, or even if you are not, > other radios I own: ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 30 16:27:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54461 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2004 00:27:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2004 00:27:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2004 00:27:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 35600 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2004 00:27:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Z7gj3IrkQbxv0VTd7DlM17DfE4wRVW1l7YtQRzWkWGubPzsuER84QKf8B5/8YAH/NI1s25g8PuULp1zLAsWaH5htxk0WMLcBO34E6I9pMohyaro85Eieo0XeI+6WnHFwAwRAzGlU9T/IJ35wg84kxzCnvDnVCqh2PvtZiRuThsI= ; Message-ID: <20041201002720.35598.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.109] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:27:20 PST Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:27:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <841BF443-4291-11D9-9564-000D9356B656@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > > Ooh, those XL100s with that lousy plug-in module > design? It still > worked? Until the tripler failed. It NEVER had a module failure. Don't know if mine was the CTC-46, but it > did have a horizontal > rocker switch for power on the front, top right. A WIDE horizontal one you pressed down. It never gave ANY trouble until end of life and the failure of the original CRT. Had a power transformer and it withtstood nearby lightning hits that blew things out in the rotor box, and in the same hit totaled our next door neighbor's TV. In fact this RCA lasted longer than 3 of his that got nuked in hits. Convergence and all that was fine. I think you got lemons. This was NOT a cheapo. I found an early 80's 13" XL100 at a thrift store for $15. Didn't fill the screen. I took it to my friend's shop and an electrolytic had failed. He said it looked like the set had NEVER been used, and the picture was better than ANY of the new current crop of current junk. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From jeffdeck@aol.com Tue Nov 30 18:27:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68888 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2004 02:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2004 02:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2004 02:27:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2004 02:26:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2004 02:26:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 02:26:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 844 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.209.144.158 Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 You write: >A few companies tried selling "instant-on" TV sets, which kept the >tube filaments on all the time. After a few houses burned down >because of it, they gave up on that idea. You are confusing two different issues. First, "instant on" never caused any house to burn down, Admiral TVs were the cause! Second, "instant on" became a moot point with the energy crisis of 1973-74. People were very conscious of the few watts that each tube set was drawing when it was "off." This "instant on" simply kept the tube filament voltage at half, not full voltage either. Now compare this to today's "energy star" compliant sets, still drawing a few watts for the microprocesor to stay "alive" always scanning for the power button to be pressed. 73, Jeff Deck For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit http://meduci.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 30 20:07:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83508 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2004 04:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2004 04:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52409.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.117) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2004 04:07:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 72605 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2004 04:07:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ncrP8tUvUPg9T+4fQdazS9vM1N2KTulVg+4S2Mt7BuOd2Hjs3hupwZfGHiSJsH4YNparHvFZPZLYYMXa5ZhFP2hnWMH2wlUatSPlE2GRcncfBkNwII1DxUVudi2/UYAkKRCeup5Er6SG0SCvshQHRRI6G8qKCpLy8aCo+HpXIBo= ; Message-ID: <20041201040703.72603.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.109] by web52409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:07:03 PST Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:07:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.117 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jeffdeck2001 wrote: > > You write: > >A few companies tried selling "instant-on" TV sets, > which kept the > >tube filaments on all the time. > Second, "instant on" became a moot point with the > energy crisis of > 1973-74. People were very conscious of the few > watts that each tube > set was drawing when it was "off." This "instant > on" simply kept > the tube filament voltage at half, not full voltage > either. And this did indeed significantly reduce tube life. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Dec 01 18:14:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51604 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2004 02:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2004 02:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2004 02:14:36 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.14]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:14:29 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c4d815$1b0769c0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20041130015352.64658.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:16:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2004 02:14:32.0512 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9559400:01C4D814] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude My folks had a Motorola Quasar TV that did that and it lasted 12 years or so... ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > > RCA's FIRST all solid state TV the CTC-46 ( I have one > getting ready for the dump) had filaments on the CRT > at all time. Guess what THAT did to CRT life. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 02 00:58:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97917 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2004 08:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2004 08:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2004 08:58:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2004 08:56:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2004 08:56:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 08:56:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002101c4d815$1b0769c0$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1292 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.135 Subject: Re: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > > RCA's FIRST all solid state TV the CTC-46 ( I have one > > getting ready for the dump) had filaments on the CRT > > at all time. Guess what THAT did to CRT life. The original IBM PC's monochrome monitor didn't have a power switch; it was powered by a switched outlet on the back of the PC's power supply. But some IBM-clones didn't switch that outlet on and off with the computer power; they kept it power as long as the computer was plugged in (I had a Wang 286 that did that). So if you used the IBM monitor with that kind of computer, it would keep the CRT filament glowing all the time, while the HV electronics (i.e. flyback transformer) would shut down when the monitor sensed a lack of video signal. The result of this kind of setup was an "instant-on" monitor -- the IBM display would be at full brightness in less than 2 seconds after turning on the computer. That was actually shorter than its phosphor persistence -- it used slowly-fading phosphor to help reduce flicker. Thus, in a dark room you could turn off the computer and still read all the text on the screen half a minute later. This also created severe problems with "burn-in". Today it's very difficult to find a green-screen IBM monitor which doesn't have a ghost image burned into its CRT. From oldphones@webtv.net Thu Dec 02 04:26:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53057 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2004 12:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2004 12:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2004 12:26:55 -0000 Received: from storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 63574D624; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 04:25:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA01536; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 04:25:57 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAgqUska0Y8gRiEY8tGh6Q8WAX8j8CFQCa4pOHjCH8X2rxSz2FOu2FZBFIug== Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 06:25:57 -0600 To: abdx@abdx.org Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <16979-41AF09D5-477@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Michael J. Richard" 's message of Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:29:19 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.138 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [ABDX] - 80th Radio Birthday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 A couple items of note: This next Sunday marks the legendary K F A B's 1110 Omaha, NE 80 anniversary on the Air ( December 4th, 1924) KFAB started out as a Lincoln, Nebraska station and eventually landed in Omaha on 1110 AM. Don't know if a special event is scheduled, BUT did see something interesting..... A RED Dodge SUV with Nebraska Husker Spirit License plates of 1111 AM AM as in "Amplitude Modulation" !! The K FA B Mobile, In front of a local pub and grill!!! I looked around at Billy Frogg's for KFAB staffers, but didn't see any that I knew.... I remember the time during an ice storm I parked my ( previous) "Precision Bearing" truck at Billy Frogg;s Bar & Grill >> sure did hear about it from management, Hey it was an emergency, I was hungry and I only drank O'Douls' Wouldn't think of drinking and driving with a company truck..... Never!! Bill " oldphones" Snyder BS-NE BS-NE1 From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Dec 02 20:20:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 502 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2004 04:20:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2004 04:20:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2004 04:20:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2004 04:19:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2004 04:19:57 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1628 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2004 03:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2004 03:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2004 03:41:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2004 03:41:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2004 03:41:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:41:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 286 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: where to upload airchecks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 03 Dec 2004 04:19:54 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 Is there some place I could upload some airchecks of KDIS (and maybe KMIK)? I have at least several hundred MB (if not a few GB) of unscoped airchecks (and I have no intention of scoping them) of those stations and would like a place to put them so you all would be able to hear them. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 03 23:29:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56313 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2004 07:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2004 07:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.183) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2004 07:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.124.15.251 with login) by smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2004 07:29:46 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c4d9d3$105d66e0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 23:28:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.183 From: Subject: KKNX AM STEREO 840 Eugean Oregon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I had just fond out KKNX AM STEREO 840 in Eugean Oregon is still in AM STEREO for now. Thay e mailed me back and said that thay are going IBOC by summer. Thats to bad to because thay are a oldies music station to. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Dec 04 10:01:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16572 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2004 18:01:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2004 18:01:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.136) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2004 18:01:30 -0000 Received: from storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 05163D6A4; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id KAA06822; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:01:29 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAptPU/yqYb49JMEVxENTLFmrjLV0CFHrUTc8omDhTCwdNRRgkGq4nAZp0 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 12:01:29 -0600 To: abdx@abdx.org Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <26246-41B1FB79-395@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones)'s message of Sat, 4 Dec 2004 11:20:12 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.136 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [ABDX] - Miracles DO Happen!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Hi gang, My brother was going though some boxes and found a box of "junk". Some junk... The A.C.> adapter for my Sony AM Stereo receiver SRF-A100 !! It had been missing for couple of years, plus a stash of Vintage K O I L am stereo aircheck tapes!! And He was going to put it out for the "junkman"!!!!!!! Thank God I retrieved my stuff in time. In case you are wondering what the "official" Sony A C adapter for the famous SRF-A100 radio it is Sony AC-120W and is rated Input AC- 120 volts 7 watts 60 Hertz Output DC- 4.5 volts 600 MA Center Negative & outer sleeve Positive. looks like a 2.1 or 2.5 mm opoer plug. I bought this adaptor years ago when I still worked at Scott Electronics. Glad I found it!!!!! Bill "oldphones" Snyder - Omaha, NE Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From n6mon@pacbell.net Sat Dec 04 14:19:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: n6mon@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18978 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2004 22:19:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2004 22:19:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2004 22:19:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2004 22:19:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2004 22:19:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:19:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 760 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "n6mon" X-Originating-IP: 68.125.197.88 Subject: Re: KABL (ding-ding!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=186647 X-Yahoo-Profile: n6mon --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, tom_richard1980@y... wrote: > Yes, they're broadcasting the format on 92.1 in Walnut Creek, but > even with the boosters on, it won't come near the coverage of a San > Francisco FM. The tower (phone pole is more like it) is 24 miles > from the city. They should have just kept their KABL-FM years ago, > but still I at least want those calls back. The antenna is LITERALY on a pole, telephone type, on Smith Hill. Transmitter was an old Continental putting out (I think) 1800 Watts. The boosters (if they are still there...) are a 10W re-citer in a private residence and a 50W booster on highway 4 on the BART tower (or at least they were when I engineered that station for KZWC - Z/Spanish Radio. Terry Taylor From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 04 17:20:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53104 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2004 01:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2004 01:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2004 01:20:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2004 01:20:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2004 01:20:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 01:20:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 145 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.5 Subject: Re: where to upload airchecks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Is there some place I could upload some airchecks of KDIS (and > maybe KMIK)? Try this: ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/upload-here-please/ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Dec 04 19:17:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31178 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2004 03:17:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2004 03:17:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2004 03:17:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2004 03:17:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2004 03:17:44 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60517 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2004 01:35:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2004 01:35:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2004 01:35:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2004 01:35:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2004 01:35:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 01:35:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 626 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: where to upload airchecks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Dec 2004 03:17:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > Is there some place I could upload some airchecks of KDIS (and > > maybe KMIK)? > > Try this: > > ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/upload-here-please/ I tried that, but IE gives me an error "An error ocurred while opening that folder on the FTP Server. Make sure you have permission to access that folder. Details: The connection with the server was reset.", Mozilla won't let me drag and drop to do uploads (it gives a file list like Netscape instead of a folder view like Explorer), and I don't know how to go on there using WS_FTP95 LE. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 04 20:55:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10331 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2004 04:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2004 04:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2004 04:55:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2004 04:55:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2004 04:55:16 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49496 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2004 04:41:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2004 04:41:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2004 04:41:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2004 04:41:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2004 04:41:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 04:41:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 665 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.39 Subject: Re: where to upload airchecks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Dec 2004 04:55:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 As far as I know, no-one else has had this problem. Although the site has space, I don't think it's greater than 3 gigs set aside, and there's already about a gig there. Also, it presently doesn't have the fastest DSL connection, as well as the load the site owner has on it being a file server for other things, as well as 3 or so internet radio streams. The last couple months' uploads still have yet to be moved to their proper locations, but overall, airchecks and other files have been dry of late, convincing me that interest in AMS may be dying. There is a plan for an SCA page and archive in the near future, for what it's worth. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Dec 05 00:11:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81787 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2004 08:11:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2004 08:11:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2004 08:11:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2004 08:11:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2004 08:11:23 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59201 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2004 06:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2004 06:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2004 06:04:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2004 06:04:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2004 06:04:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 06:04:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 975 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: where to upload airchecks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Dec 2004 08:11:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 Ok, then, what do I need to do on my end to get it working? I can't even see the directory listing with IE, can't log in with WS_FTP, and I can't upload (although I can see the files) with Mozilla. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > As far as I know, no-one else has had this problem. Although the site > has space, I don't think it's greater than 3 gigs set aside, and > there's already about a gig there. Also, it presently doesn't have > the fastest DSL connection, as well as the load the site owner has on > it being a file server for other things, as well as 3 or so internet > radio streams. > > The last couple months' uploads still have yet to be moved to their > proper locations, but overall, airchecks and other files have been > dry of late, convincing me that interest in AMS may be dying. > > There is a plan for an SCA page and archive in the near future, for > what it's worth. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Dec 05 02:00:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26302 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2004 10:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2004 10:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2004 10:00:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2004 10:00:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2004 10:00:16 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69606 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2004 09:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2004 09:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2004 09:14:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2004 09:14:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2004 09:14:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 09:14:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 532 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.39 Subject: Re: where to upload airchecks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Dec 2004 10:00:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > > > Ok, then, what do I need to do on my end to get it working? I can't > even see the directory listing with IE, can't log in with WS_FTP, and > I can't upload (although I can see the files) with Mozilla. Funny, because I just tested uploading to the directory with IE in Folder View, and posted 3 scans of an article on AM stereo from 1941. You shouldn't have any problem. Just be mindful of the load when you do. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From mspatoray@sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 05 22:13:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspatoray@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50518 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2004 06:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2004 06:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2004 06:13:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2004 06:12:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2004 06:12:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 06:12:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 316 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Matt" X-Originating-IP: 68.21.134.130 Subject: Looking for plans to upgrade modern AM receivers to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178375692 X-Yahoo-Profile: mpatoray Hi all, I have a few Receivers that i would lik to see upgraded to AM Stereo. They are a Harman Kardon AVR-65, Denon Surround receiver, and the "Ford Premium Sound System" radio in my 87 town car. Does anyone have plans to make converters for these radios, and does someone have a source for Decoder IC's. Matt From mspatoray@sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 05 22:18:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspatoray@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43685 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2004 06:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2004 06:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2004 06:18:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2004 06:17:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2004 06:17:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 06:17:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 322 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Matt" X-Originating-IP: 68.21.134.130 Subject: Avalability of Low Power AM Stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178375692 X-Yahoo-Profile: mpatoray Hi, I am interested in finding information on Low Power AM Stereo trnasmitters. I want to porpose the Idea of AM stereo to my college for their student run radio station. Righjt now they are broadcasting on the net because there are no open FM frequencies in Youngstown,, but there may be some open AM. Thanks, Matt From dav259@csiro.au Sun Dec 05 23:24:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85726 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2004 07:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2004 07:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au) (150.229.64.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2004 07:24:31 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (138.194.10.10) by vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au with ESMTP; 06 Dec 2004 18:24:30 +1100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.87,125,1099227600"; d="scan'208"; a="15845915:sNHT19265764" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB67OTfI011391 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:24:29 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:24:29 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 150.229.64.37 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Local streaming radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 This is a copy of a message I sent to Mark Day - the weekly Australian Media Supplement columnist (and one of the original part-owners of 3MP). It was in response to his article "Keep the media market open, without monopolies" In my view he supports deregulation far too much - and expects the laws of supply and demand to work to keep the "bastards" honest. I'm all for more stations and new experiences. But after a long history of listening I'm convinced that 90% of commercial radio stations are in it for the money ... nothing more. - - - - Hi Mark I enjoy your weekly articles, but this statement is ridiculous ... "Soon we'll have internet connectivity in our cars, which means any of us, anywhere, at any time, can access any radio station in the world that streams its programming on to the web. You want choice? You'll get it." Kindly advise how soon! What facts are you aware of to state this? I'm am AM stereo addict who has enjoyed it nearly every day in Melbourne since its inception in 1985. It has been gradually dying for many reasons every day since its introduction. Yet it still sounds massive on Magic 693. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with it - that isn't/wasn't already wrong with AM reception. I'd love to be able to listen to streaming radio on a car radio or walkman but as Capt Mainwaring would say "I think you're getting into the realms of fantasy here (Jones)". One would think that the next advancement in radio will be digital - but that's been "just around the corner" since 1990. I think your columns would have more clout if you'd stop outrageous statements like the one above and just talked about what is affordable and likely. After all - if the streaming radio thing was likely in Oz - don't you think that the US, the UK, or Japan would already at least be trialing it? regards Ian _____________________________________________________________ Ian Davidson _______________________________________________ CSIRO Minerals __________________________ tel +61 3 9545 8717 Box 312, Clayton South _________________ fax +61 3 9562 8919 Victoria, Australia 3169 ______________ ian.davidson@csiro.au From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 06 01:32:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8556 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2004 09:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2004 09:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2004 09:32:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2004 09:32:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2004 09:32:09 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50720 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2004 07:56:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2004 07:56:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2004 07:56:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2004 07:55:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2004 07:55:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 07:55:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1169 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.39 Subject: Re: Local streaming radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 06 Dec 2004 09:32:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: =snip= > After all - if the streaming radio thing was likely in Oz - don't you > think that the US, the UK, or Japan would already at least be trialing > it? We have. It already exists, but as far as internet car radios, they haven't been marketed yet. Instead, people living in WiFi-networked towns and cities can listen by connecting their laptop or PDA to their car stereo, connect via WAP or wide-access Wi-Fi, and listen. When I was down at my hotel at LAX in October, I happily listened to internet radio via Wi-Fi on my Wi-Fi-equipped Pocket PC. Communities are just now creating wide-area Wi-Fi networks, going beyond the hodgepodge of individual servers and mini-networks. At least two, maybe three cities here in California are setting up city- wide Wi-Fi networks for just this sort of reason. Also, since the internet is accessable through many cellphone services, there are internet-capable cellphones which are capable of streaming internet audio, which you can also hook up to your car radio. So, as I repeat, it's already being done, my friend. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oldphones@webtv.net Mon Dec 06 05:11:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45123 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2004 13:11:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2004 13:11:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.139) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2004 13:11:30 -0000 Received: from storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 18B21D5C4; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 05:11:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA24935; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 05:11:29 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAi9eGeuaq1NjqxVIAJhgxoJIZjCoCFCs333F2xxka+ErNouLxejAgnmta Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 07:11:29 -0600 To: abdx@abdx.org Cc: ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <8180-41B45A81-1955@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "kevin, Mesa, AZ" 's message of Mon, 06 Dec 2004 05:11:20 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.139 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [ABDX] - KFAB 80th Show X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 The KFAB morning show was talking this morning about the history of the station ( 80 years) and what a legend KFAB is in Omaha and the Dundee part of Omaha. KFAB commenced broadcasting December 4th, 1924. Seems that the infamous, huge orange K F A B sign on top of the studios was mentioned,, Seems that the "K" in K F A B burned out last year, boy did they get bombarded with e-mails and letters about that!! Yes, the K F A B sign is back in working order. Lot of jokes about Fab radio sign thinking that oldies KGOR and KFAB might just merge back together.... ( KFAB-FM became KGOR). FAB 4 Radio All beatles all the time..... Some suit.( who is NO longer there) wanted to take down the KFAB sign since KGOR, KEFM,KHUS, & KXKT also share the station!!!! NOT. The KEFM, and KXKT part is ironic as they were both owned by competitor 1290 KOIL at some part of their histories... But that's what what mergers and swap of stations are all about.... KFAB & KOIL have a lot of common links, more that you would realize. KFAB, KOIL were in common ownership as Central States Broadcasting in the 1930's. KFAB was in Lincoln, KOIL (1925) started over in Council Bluffs, Iowa. I revere both KFAB and KOIL due to their legendary status around here.... Bill S. Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Dec 06 05:46:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87673 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2004 13:46:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2004 13:46:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2004 13:46:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2004 13:46:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2004 13:46:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:45:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 411 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 203.54.36.184 Subject: Amstereofan is in am stereo land! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Well I'm out here in Melbourne at the moment and listening to FM and AM (plus am stereo!) there is such a diverse choice of good radio stations here. Helped also by the fact that the Aussie equivelent of the BBC the ABC does'nt hog half of the FM freqs! DX is good ie I was getting 2CA on 1053khz from Canberra which is about 600km from where I am in full HQ am stereo Who needs DAB out here, bonza :-) From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Mon Dec 06 11:04:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62177 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2004 19:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2004 19:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.181) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2004 19:04:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:04:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 69.34.164.10 by BAY22-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:03:14 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:03:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2004 19:04:01.0090 (UTC) FILETIME=[58AC2220:01C4DBC6] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.181 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [69.34.164.10] Subject: SPP-800 and SMP-900 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I have this audio chain and have a question. I will be running mono AM using a rangemaster. I'd like to bridge the left and right to a mono source. I noticed there is a 1/4 inch TRS jack on the back marked mono. is this 600 ohm balanced? or do i need to some how bridge the left and right. If i have to bridge how can this be done on Balanced 600 ohm line. Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] http://www.freecycle.org I am always looking for Radio Equipment, Amateur(ham), CB, Commercial LMR (Two Way), Police Scanners and Computer equipment, Pentium to PIII Laptops and PII/III Desktops. Please Contact By hitting reply if you have any of these items Thank you. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 06 13:40:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47481 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2004 21:40:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2004 21:40:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2004 21:40:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2004 21:39:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2004 21:39:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:39:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 932 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.10 Subject: Re: SPP-800 and SMP-900 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have this audio chain and have a question. I will be running mono > AM using a rangemaster. I'd like to bridge the left and right to a > mono source. I noticed there is a 1/4 inch TRS jack on the back > marked mono. is this 600 ohm balanced? or do i need to some how > bridge the left and right. If i have to bridge how can this be done > on Balanced 600 ohm line. You are referring to the SMP-900's mono audio output, correct? In that case, it is a 600-ohm balanced output; the tip is positive, ring is negative, and sleeve is ground. It can also be used with a transmitter whose audio input is unbalanced (i.e. a typical RCA-type phono connector), by using the tip for the audio output and the sleeve for ground (do not use the ring for anything). There is no need for you to manually bridge the audio to mono anywhere in the audio chain, because the SMP-900 does that by itself to provide the mono (L+R) output. From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Mon Dec 06 14:21:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23106 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2004 22:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2004 22:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.191) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2004 22:21:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:21:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 69.34.164.10 by BAY22-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 22:20:49 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:20:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2004 22:21:02.0058 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE84B4A0:01C4DBE1] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.191 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [69.34.164.10] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SPP-800 and SMP-900 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Cool;) that is what i needed to know. Thanks Kevin, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] http://www.freecycle.org I am always looking for Radio Equipment, Amateur(ham), CB, Commercial LMR (Two Way), Police Scanners and Computer equipment, Pentium to PIII Laptops and PII/III Desktops. Please Contact By hitting reply if you have any of these items Thank you. From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon Dec 06 16:44:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48676 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2004 00:44:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2004 00:44:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2004 00:44:43 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.18.58]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:44:41 -0700 Message-ID: <006101c4dbf6$699ab1c0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:47:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2004 00:44:42.0684 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0CFD7C0:01C4DBF5] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SPP-800 and SMP-900 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If you should ever need to sum two sources like that what you'll need is called a Y-pad. You'll need six resistors of the same value. Each resistor is one leg of a Y (you'll be making two of them.) Connect L+ and R+ to the top of one Y and the sum is available at the bottom leg. Do the same on the negative with the other set of resistors. The only thing I can't remember is if the resistors need to be the same as the output Z or 1/2Z since I haven't had to do it in quite some years. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." There is no > need for you to manually bridge the audio to mono anywhere in the > audio chain, because the SMP-900 does that by itself to provide the > mono (L+R) output. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 06 17:45:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49101 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2004 01:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2004 01:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2004 01:45:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:45:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.107.208 by BAY101-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 01:44:36 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:36:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2004 01:45:00.0943 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D7659F0:01C4DBFE] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.90 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.107.208] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for plans to upgrade modern AM receivers to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Matt wrote: >"Ford Premium Sound System" radio in my 87 town car. Both the ETR series radio, (Florescent Display) and the ESR series (Backlit LCD, case duct taped together from the factory) came from the factory with some models having C-QUAM boards that mounted in the top back side of the radio. It should be a fairly easy conversion with one of CC's AM Stereo conversion boards. In the 1987 model year, Ford's OEM Supplier could not make enough ESR radios, so Ford purchased ESR "clones" from Clarion branded "FORD" that were Mono only on AM. The way to tell if you have a Clarion made radio is look at the tape deck. If you reverse the tape by pressing FF + RW at the same time, it is a Clarion. If you have a REV button on the face plate, it is a "real" Ford ESR radio. You may also have a dealer installed aftermarket ESR look alike radio, the SPS by Audiovox. The SPS radios are not convertable, nor are the manual tuned Ford radios, due to the IF frequency. If you go junkyarding for goodies to put in your Towncar, you may want to remember there is absolutely NO difference in radios in a Premium Sound system and regular Stereo. All the Premium Sound upgrade got you was , depending on model, an upgrade from single cone to whizzer cone or 2-way speakers, and a small amp for the rear speakers. The JBL sound system had low level outputs on the radio and amps for each speaker. The MACH sound system got you C-QUAM Stereo and a 5 band EQ, with special amps and speakers. I think the MACH sound system was a Mustang GT only system. I am amazed I still remember that crap from 19 years ago when I was working as a tech at a FORD car audio repair center! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 06 18:52:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35129 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2004 02:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2004 02:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2004 02:52:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:51:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.107.208 by BAY101-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 02:50:30 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:04:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2004 02:51:01.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[95EF5B70:01C4DC07] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.83 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.107.208] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Amstereofan is in am stereo land! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Dave wrote: > DX is good ie I was getting 2CA on 1053khz from Canberra which is about 600km from where I am in full HQ am stereo I will never understand why the big broadcast companies don't use the big "Clear" AM stations to broadcast unique programming in C-QUAM Stereo. Like it or not, Class A clear channel AMs is still the best way to cover a large region with radio programming. At night, one station can cover most of North America, so why waste this airtime broadcasting the same talk networks at the same time on several Clears at one time? It is amazing how many duplicates of the same talk shows you can hear turning around at night. The ONLY two stations in English I can hear at night playing music are WSM and WSAI, both have plenty of QRM from stations South of us. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Dec 06 21:29:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41131 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2004 05:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2004 05:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2004 05:29:07 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB75T1kX018972; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:29:01 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB75SULh020564; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:28:30 +1100 Received: from ausym000.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB75SUuH020558; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:28:30 +1100 Received: by ausym000.apac.corp.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:28:22 +1100 Message-ID: <1A3B6CF82D867E4DA14E074DE01D1728233C74@aubwm208.apac.corp.eds.com> To: "'amstereo@smartgroups.com'" Cc: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:28:29 +1100 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: Australia's Best AM Stereo - 1053 2CA - Airchecks! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day Guys, I'm still working hard on the AM Stereo cause - apologies for the lack of posts for a while! I'm now on the management board of community station i1197 AM in Brisbane and am hoping we can get AM Stereo installed sometime in 2005!. (I have the Motorola exciter sitting here, just need to get stereo to the transmitter) I was in Canberra recently on holidays and I now have the Southern Hemisphere's best sounding AM Stereo station 1053 2CA well and truly airchecked (approx 72 hours worth unscoped!!!) Audio quality is top notch - direct recorded from my Sony SRF-A1 to 192k MP3 Discrete Stereo using my laptop and "Messer": http://www.dago.pmp.com.pl/messer/ The audio level is *slightly* down in the left channel (barely noticeable) - this is as broadcast. I have not applied any filtering or noise reduction whatsoever and the airchecks are unscoped. Here are some small (under 1mb) samples I have cut up for your listening pleasure: ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/upload-here-please/2ca-sweep-4.mp3 ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/upload-here-please/2ca-sweep-3.mp3 ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/upload-here-please/2ca-sweep-2.mp3 ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/upload-here-please/2ca-sweep-1.mp3 (make sure you change the file extension saves as .mp3 - when I tried downloading they were changed to .au for some reason!) I'm going to split the 4.5 gig of files into downloadable chunks of perhaps 10meg each using a lossless MP3 splitter (mp3DirectCut) Maybe we can get ftp.amstereoradio.com resurrected for the occasion :) I will also burn it all onto DVD-R for anyone interested! (if you don't mind covering the postage and blank disc) Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: Dave [mailto:amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 6 December 2004 11:46 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Amstereofan is in am stereo land! Well I'm out here in Melbourne at the moment and listening to FM and AM (plus am stereo!) there is such a diverse choice of good radio stations here. Helped also by the fact that the Aussie equivalent of the BBC the ABC doesn't hog half of the FM freqs! DX is good ie I was getting 2CA on 1053khz from Canberra which is about 600km from where I am in full HQ am stereo Who needs DAB out here, bonza :-) From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Dec 07 00:42:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6826 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2004 08:42:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2004 08:42:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2004 08:42:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 00:42:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 69.208.246.95 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 08:41:53 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 03:41:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2004 08:42:03.0858 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0482B20:01C4DC38] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.48 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [69.208.246.95] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for plans to upgrade modern AM receivers to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane >The JBL sound system had low level outputs on the radio and amps for each >speaker. The MACH sound system got you C-QUAM Stereo and a 5 band EQ, with >special amps and speakers. I think the MACH sound system was a Mustang GT >only system. I am amazed I still remember that crap from 19 years ago when >I >was working as a tech at a FORD car audio repair center! > >Kevin in Tampa Kevin is right about the Premium Ford stereos; they are mono AM. I've been fooled and have one sitting on the shelf in my garage. The MACH sound system was in more than the Mustang GT however. The one in my Subaru came out of my wife's '98 Mountaineer. The part number is F87F-18C868-AD and if you go to a salvage yard, they may offer you substitute radios. Make sure it says Mach somewhere on the sticker. Also, it may take some serious looking as it took me almost a year to find a second one for my F350. The F87F-18C868-AD not only has AM stereo but also has: - the AM extended band (missing on many AM stereo car radios) - RDS - CD and cassette - backlit buttons that only light up the ones you can use (great for nighttime driving!) - subwoofer output (recommended as there's not much bass in the speaker outputs) If you have any questions (non-technical) about this stereo, please ask. Paul Crane _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Dec 07 04:53:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70424 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2004 12:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2004 12:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.137) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2004 12:53:35 -0000 Received: from storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 06B0BD684; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 04:53:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA27920; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 04:53:33 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQxFZw3EWiUH/rhPazV7iN52tFTAQIUMWkqS3PG0lsoNYXSSXgQ/uCAMq0= Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 06:53:33 -0600 To: amstereo@smartgroups.com Cc: abdx@abdx.org, ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <28967-41B5A7CD-2279@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Michael J. Richard" 's message of Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:19:22 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.137 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Phone RFI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Since this is phone related, I will keep this to the point. I ran across a case of phone with a bad case of RFI that's not all that it seems... The culprit >> A private payphone about 8 blocks east of a large A.M. tower array for diplexed stations 1290 KKAR and 1620 KOZN. This is a rare pay phone with the local Cable Company as the service Provider, Not the wireline Telephone Company. It has a 933 prefix Cox Cable number, Not the usual South Omaha Bell prefixes and the aerial wires feeding it are the cable company's. Most local payphones are lineline Qwest (Bell) phones, OR Mid-America (Alltel) payphones. Power lines run past the 1290//1620 array right past the pay station less than a mile away. 1290 KKAR ( KOIL) has a history of RFI in this area, I went to high school nearby and 1290 KOIL caused a lot of trouble with sound equipment, then...there... So KKAR , KOZN would seem the prime suspects, right?? No. After several checks, I hear Michael Savage on the Phone,, bingo 1110 KFAB >> 5 miles away is coming in like gangbusters. I have seen this happen with traditional wire line phones, especially with KFAB 50 Kw signal, But on the cable company?? Any Ideas... Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Tue Dec 07 08:21:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51028 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2004 16:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2004 16:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.190) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2004 16:21:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:21:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 69.34.164.10 by BAY22-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 16:20:02 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:20:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2004 16:21:00.0417 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD599F10:01C4DC78] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.190 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [69.34.164.10] Subject: fs/ft: Classic Audio Processing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd CBS Volumemax 400 $200 CRL SEP400a $200/ea. Prices do not include shipping/packing(UPS Store) May consider trade to a PLL AMS Tx or a Part15 Certified Tx like Hamilton, USI, LPB, etc. Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries [ULC] http://www.freecycle.org From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Dec 07 18:04:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91438 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2004 02:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2004 02:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2004 02:04:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:04:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 02:03:27 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:45:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2004 02:04:00.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F070430:01C4DCCA] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.86 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for plans to upgrade modern AM receivers to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Paul Crane wrote: > The MACH sound system was in more than the Mustang GT however. I was talking about the 1987 model year. > >The part number is F87F-18C868-AD and if you go to a salvage yard, they may offer you substitute radios. Make sure it says Mach somewhere on the sticker. Another junkyard treasure to look for is the Sherwood CRD-350, an electronic tuned AM Stereo/FM/Cassette with soft touch logic controls on the tape deck. In the 1987 year model, it was the OEM installed AM-FM-Tape Stereo for the Yugo GV. The Yugo radio looks just like the Sherwood version, only it says YUGO on the front instead of Sherwood and it has C-QUAM AM Stereo! Beware, the 1986 Yugo factory radio was made by Sparkomatic and had a MONO AM tuner. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Dec 07 20:59:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63438 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2004 04:59:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2004 04:59:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2004 04:59:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2004 04:58:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2004 04:58:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 04:58:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 456 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: KAAM-Dallas is now Lo-Fi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Crawford's Adult Standards AMS station in Dallas officially narrowed its fidelity down to 6 kHz last Friday. KAAM's engineer, a very nice guy, confirmed it for me in an e- mail tonight. On my drive home from work, I was hearing a pretty distinct difference in the sound quality between 820 WBAP and 770 KAAM--both with AM Stereo--using my AMAX GM Delco car radio. KAAM's crisp trebles have been replaced with fuzz. Bummer. Thanks, Clear Channel. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Dec 07 21:05:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87372 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2004 05:05:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2004 05:05:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.198.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2004 05:05:51 -0000 Received: from amd (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004120805055001300dokhbe>; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 05:05:50 +0000 To: Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 00:06:23 -0500 Message-ID: <009401c4dce3$aa2ab8f0$6400a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.198.35 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} KAAM-Dallas is now Lo-Fi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn KAAM isn't even owned by Clear Channel. I thought it was Crawford? I guess they're going the CC route... Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Douglas [mailto:deepcoffee@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 11:59 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} KAAM-Dallas is now Lo-Fi Crawford's Adult Standards AMS station in Dallas officially narrowed its fidelity down to 6 kHz last Friday. KAAM's engineer, a very nice guy, confirmed it for me in an e- mail tonight. On my drive home from work, I was hearing a pretty distinct difference in the sound quality between 820 WBAP and 770 KAAM--both with AM Stereo--using my AMAX GM Delco car radio. KAAM's crisp trebles have been replaced with fuzz. Bummer. Thanks, Clear Channel. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Dec 07 21:12:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42648 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2004 05:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2004 05:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2004 05:12:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2004 05:12:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2004 05:12:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 05:12:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009401c4dce3$aa2ab8f0$6400a8c0@AMD> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 184 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAAM-Dallas is now Lo-Fi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << I thought it was Crawford? >> Yes, that's what I wrote, Jeff: "Crawford's Adult Standards station KAAM..." ; ) And you're right. Crawford is taking its cues from Clear Channel From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Dec 07 23:02:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97540 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2004 07:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2004 07:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.241.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2004 07:02:23 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041208070217.FLHA20678.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 02:02:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <1A0DEEB4-48E7-11D9-89E8-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:02:19 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.36 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAAM-Dallas is now Lo-Fi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not that they are back to full fidelity, but KLAC in LA seems a bit=20 better in the last week or so. Just in time for the switch to sports to make room on 1150 for Air=20 America ... On Dec 7, 2004, at 8:58 PM, Douglas wrote: > > Crawford's Adult Standards AMS station in Dallas officially narrowed=20 > its fidelity down > to 6 kHz last Friday.=A0 KAAM's engineer, a very nice guy, confirmed it= =20 > for me in an e- > mail tonight. > > On my drive home from work, I was hearing a pretty distinct=20 > difference in the sound > quality between 820 WBAP and 770 KAAM--both with AM Stereo--using my=20 > AMAX > GM Delco car radio.=A0 KAAM's crisp trebles have been replaced with=20 > fuzz.=A0 Bummer. > > Thanks, Clear Channel. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Dec 08 06:18:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15590 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2004 14:18:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2004 14:18:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2004 14:18:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2004 14:17:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2004 14:17:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 14:17:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 235 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.94.94.105 Subject: Re: KAAM-Dallas is now Lo-Fi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > Crawford's Adult Standards AMS station in Dallas officially narrowed its fidelity down > to 6 kHz last Friday. KAAM's engineer, a very nice guy, confirmed it for me in an e- > mail tonight. So -lets write Crawford and complain! From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Dec 08 07:03:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85902 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2004 15:03:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2004 15:03:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2004 15:03:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2004 15:03:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2004 15:03:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:03:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 545 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Crawford Corp. Engineer's E-mail X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << So -lets write Crawford and complain! >> I just found an e-mail address for Cris Alexander, Crawford's Corporate Engineer. I guess he's the guy who made the decision to follow Clear Channel's lead. Here's the e-mail address: crisa@crawfordbroadcasting.com Since KAAM in Dallas is Adult Standards, its demographic is definitely older. I can't see the point in KAAM ever going IBOC, since it would be asking a bunch of folks on fixed incomes to go invest in super-expensive radios. IBOC makes zero sense for this particular station. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 08 09:36:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16455 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2004 17:36:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2004 17:36:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2004 17:36:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2004 17:35:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2004 17:35:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 17:35:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 623 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.17 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for plans to upgrade modern AM receivers to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > In the 1987 year model, it was the OEM installed AM-FM-Tape Stereo > for the Yugo GV. The Yugo radio looks just like the Sherwood > version, only it says YUGO on the front instead of Sherwood and it > has C-QUAM AM Stereo! And these days, that radio is probably worth more by itself than an entire Yugo car. :-) I have a CRD-350 myself, and it is a very nice radio -- it has great audio quality and reception on AM, and it was a high-end model for its time, with a full-logic cassette player. It even has a button to change the front panel lighting to either green or orange, to match the dashboard of your car. From tomray@wor710.com Wed Dec 08 10:46:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49259 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2004 18:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2004 18:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2004 18:46:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2004 18:46:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2004 18:46:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:46:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <41AB8E91.6070102@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3076 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: WOR related X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Actually.......... I think there are three bigger issues. First, the mosquitos. They radio into Newark to land. Vampires beware! Second, the SMELL at low tide! Last, who the hell wants to live/play in an area that is known to have toxic waste buried???? Ewwwww. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > Now here is the question of the century.. > with all that RF from all the stations located within 1 mile of that site.. > Under the RFR ruling would there not be a Major Problem like out on the > west coast. > Ok so Now Lets sell homes not only on an Old Dump site.. But with RF > radiation Too.. > someone needs to get their head examined... Personally.. with all that > RF around that area.. > anyone that buys a home there or at the Country Clubs. will have > Problems with their TV's and Radios.. Ohh lets net for get their Cheap > telephones will Pick up all the stations > 1000+ housing units... I for one would Not want to Buy one in that close > a proximity to all that RF. > I can see it now.. 10x10 fenced areas Marked RF Danger stay out.. all > over the golf courses.. > and in Peoples driveways.. > Neal > Looking at reality..... > > Tom Ray wrote: > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "paul mount" wrote: > > > > > >>Drove up the turnpike, looks like land being cleared just north of > >>the WOR tower site - is this for the location where the towers > >>have to move to because of some odd Bergen County land reclamation > >>action? > >> > >> > > > >Part of that clearing is for the WOR relocation. > > > >Short version of the long story....we're built on an old dump. State > >has been trying for ever to get land owners to clean up their > >sites....our 40 acre cesspool had a cleaning pricetag of $80 Million. > > And we had nothing to do with any pollution on the site! Corporate > >had 2 words for the state, and they weren't "no way". > > > >So.....the state found a company that leases old dump sites long term > >(99 years)....goes in and environmentally cleans them, then develops > >them. The entire dump area (some 2500+ acres) will become 3 golf > >courses, 1000+ housing units, couple of office buildings, a convention > >center, and a train station. Our TX building is literally where the > >9th hole of one of the golf courses is going to be.....our tower field > >is where condos will be. > > > >So.......the state took our property by eminent domain....we > >negotiated a complete rebuild of the facility, including everything > >brand new. > > > >Editorial comment: I think I'll rush right out and reserve my > >timeshare vacation in the Jersey Meadowlands! You should smell the > >area at low tide....and mosquitos radio into Newark for clearance to > >land..... > > > >Tom Ray > >WOR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Wed Dec 08 10:53:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79740 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2004 18:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2004 18:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2004 18:53:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2004 18:53:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2004 18:53:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:53:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008801c4d679$334281c0$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 917 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR related X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I get enough complaints running only 5kW. Can't imagine the hassle of being > within a mile of 50kW powerhouse. How do you handle the complaints, Tom (or > Kerry)? There are several offices and hotels around, most are more than 1 mile from our site. Each complaint would be handled on a case by case basis. Most times, particularly with phone complaints, we generally find an incorrect ground on the phone gear, which we'll repair for them. Otherwise, we recommend RFI filters and replacement of phones where applicable. We also measure the RF field at the location of the complaint. If it is outside 1V/M, the station is not responsible for the interference.....if it doesn't cost much to remedy the problem, we'll take care of it regardless. Luckily, in the area where we are, complaints are few and far between. Tom Ray WOR From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Dec 08 13:08:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51633 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2004 21:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2004 21:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2004 21:08:53 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB8L8br1017803 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:08:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <41B76C95.1010809@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:05:25 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR related X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL.. Yep I have to agree with you on that one... New Terms for IBOC. mosquitos=Insects,Beaming in, ON,(radio)Carrier SMELL= I Breath ,Odor of Carcinogens Seasons Greetings Neal Tom Ray wrote: >Actually.......... > >I think there are three bigger issues. First, the mosquitos. They >radio into Newark to land. Vampires beware! > >Second, the SMELL at low tide! > >Last, who the hell wants to live/play in an area that is known to have >toxic waste buried???? > >Ewwwww. > >Tom Ray >WOR > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > > >> Now here is the question of the century.. >>with all that RF from all the stations located within 1 mile of that >> >> >site.. > > >>Under the RFR ruling would there not be a Major Problem like out on the >>west coast. >>Ok so Now Lets sell homes not only on an Old Dump site.. But with RF >>radiation Too.. >> someone needs to get their head examined... Personally.. with all that >>RF around that area.. >> anyone that buys a home there or at the Country Clubs. will have >>Problems with their TV's and Radios.. Ohh lets net for get their Cheap >>telephones will Pick up all the stations >>1000+ housing units... I for one would Not want to Buy one in that >> >> >close > > >>a proximity to all that RF. >> I can see it now.. 10x10 fenced areas Marked RF Danger stay out.. all >>over the golf courses.. >> and in Peoples driveways.. >>Neal >> Looking at reality..... >> >>Tom Ray wrote: >> >> >> >>>--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "paul mount" >>> >>> >wrote: > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Drove up the turnpike, looks like land being cleared just north of >>>>the WOR tower site - is this for the location where the towers >>>>have to move to because of some odd Bergen County land reclamation >>>>action? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Part of that clearing is for the WOR relocation. >>> >>>Short version of the long story....we're built on an old dump. State >>>has been trying for ever to get land owners to clean up their >>>sites....our 40 acre cesspool had a cleaning pricetag of $80 Million. >>>And we had nothing to do with any pollution on the site! Corporate >>>had 2 words for the state, and they weren't "no way". >>> >>>So.....the state found a company that leases old dump sites long term >>>(99 years)....goes in and environmentally cleans them, then develops >>>them. The entire dump area (some 2500+ acres) will become 3 golf >>>courses, 1000+ housing units, couple of office buildings, a convention >>>center, and a train station. Our TX building is literally where the >>>9th hole of one of the golf courses is going to be.....our tower field >>>is where condos will be. >>> >>>So.......the state took our property by eminent domain....we >>>negotiated a complete rebuild of the facility, including everything >>>brand new. >>> >>>Editorial comment: I think I'll rush right out and reserve my >>>timeshare vacation in the Jersey Meadowlands! You should smell the >>>area at low tide....and mosquitos radio into Newark for clearance to >>>land..... >>> >>>Tom Ray >>>WOR >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Dec 08 19:18:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98052 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2004 03:18:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2004 03:18:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2004 03:18:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:18:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 03:17:15 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:17:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2004 03:18:05.0091 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2B33730:01C4DD9D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.78 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR related X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > Last, who the hell wants to live/play in an area that is known to have toxic waste buried???? Remember Love Canal? The best thing you can do with such a place is seal the dump site as best you can and put an antenna farm on it! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Dec 08 19:40:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58170 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2004 03:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2004 03:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2004 03:40:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:39:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 03:38:34 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:38:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2004 03:39:00.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F0A6160:01C4DDA0] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.88 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR related X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: >Otherwise, we recommend RFI filters and replacement of phones where applicable. We also measure the RF field at the location of the complaint. When 1230 WAIM' plant and on-site studio was built, it was way out in "BFE". Since then, the City of Anderson, SC grew up around it. Now there are plenty of people living in the shadow of the BIG 5/8 Wave tower. This means RFI complaints! When I worked at ABS Communications' WAIM, we would invite the complaining person in and have them pick up the phone and ask them if they hear any interference. They always said "no". Then we would take them back to the studio to see the TV playing and ask them if they see any interference. They said "no" again! The next stop was the production room where we would ask them if they hear any interfernece in the turntables, tape decks, or microphones. Again they always said "no". We would then inform then the reason their electronics got interference is because they got cheap sh*t instead of quality products! "We got the "good stuff", so our electronics work just fine less then 20 feet from the transmitter. Just buy Sony TVs, BE turntables and pre-amps and TASCAM and REVOX tape machines, along with AT&T - Western Electric phones and you will have trouble free electronics too!" Sorry, but $5 K-Mart phones just won't work next to an AM radio station! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Dec 09 07:56:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35236 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2004 15:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2004 15:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2004 15:56:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2004 15:55:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2004 15:55:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 15:55:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1275 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Well, here's the note I received from Crawford's Corp. Engineer Cris Alexan= der=20 regarding KAAM's new lo-fi signal. Notice his faith in the AM side of the = Bose Wave=20 Radio: << Last weekend, we=A0installed a new digital audio processor at KAAM. Afte= r installing=20 it and setting the audio cutoff to 6 kHz, our program director and resident= "golden=20 ear" listened carefully on a number of radios and pronounced it good. We ar= e very=20 pleased with the 6 kHz response on every radio we have used as a test, incl= uding our=20 benchmark=A0Bose Wave Radio. =A0 It is our sincere hope that the FCC will open the door for AM nighttime IBO= C in the=20 coming months. When it does, Crawford will aggressively move forward to ado= pt IBOC=20 and take advantage of its incredible fidelity. We have several of our FM st= ations=20 operating in the digital mode. The fidelity increase (and absense of noise = and=20 multipath) is tremendous. We have also spent a good bit of time listening t= o and=20 evaluating AM stations transmitting IBOC. The difference is night and day. = I know that=20 you and the rest of our listeners who invest in HD Radio receivers will be = very pleased=20 when we make the switch. =A0 Cris Alexander Crawford Broadcasting Company Denver, Colorado >> From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Dec 09 08:34:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5703 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2004 16:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2004 16:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2004 16:34:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2004 16:33:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2004 16:33:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 16:33:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 262 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.94.94.105 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter You got to laugh at that one - The Bose Wave radio is a piece of pathetic junk. I sent mine right back. Yes, it sounds good, but its DX capabilities suck big time. And I bet it has the old three IF transformer design and is limited to about 4 kHz or so. From mspatoray@sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 09 09:29:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspatoray@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77785 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2004 17:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2004 17:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp816.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.2) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2004 17:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (mspatoray@sbcglobal.net@64.108.116.206 with login) by smtp816.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2004 17:29:10 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 12:29:06 -0500 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.2 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178375692 X-Yahoo-Profile: mpatoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > When it does, Crawford will aggressively move forward to adopt IBOC > and take advantage of its incredible fidelity. We have several of our FM > stations=20 > operating in the digital mode. The fidelity increase (and absense of nois= e and multipath) is tremendous. Oh you have got to be kidding me, I was listening to the WOR Digital radio tests that they had posted on their website. They sound like garbage. Yes there is more frequency response that was evident but the compression sound= s like crap. How come people ALLWAYS think that =B3Digital is better=B2 can n= one hear anymore, or am I as my parents say =B3just being too picky=B2. Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Dec 09 10:52:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39558 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2004 18:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2004 18:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2004 18:52:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2004 18:51:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2004 18:51:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 18:51:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 535 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee <> I've never heard the Bose radio, but I thought it was safe to assume the AM section is nothing special. I sent an e-mail back to Cris Alexander recommending he use the GE Super Radio as his reference unit. They're affordable, and, if you're not talking C-QUAM, they're probably the favorite choice of AM radio fans. However, from the tone of his e-mail, I think it's clear Crawford won't consider making any exceptions for KAAM-Dallas. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Dec 09 13:03:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64427 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2004 21:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2004 21:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2004 21:02:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2004 21:02:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2004 21:02:52 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85533 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2004 18:19:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2004 18:19:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2004 18:19:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2004 18:19:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2004 18:19:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 18:19:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 994 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: where to upload airchecks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 09 Dec 2004 21:02:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > > > > > Ok, then, what do I need to do on my end to get it working? I can't > > even see the directory listing with IE, can't log in with WS_FTP, > and > > I can't upload (although I can see the files) with Mozilla. > > Funny, because I just tested uploading to the directory with IE in > Folder View, and posted 3 scans of an article on AM stereo from 1941. > > You shouldn't have any problem. Just be mindful of the load when you > do. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I wonder if you're doing something different than what I'm doing... http://68.105.108.90:1180/stephen/amradio/amstereo_ftp_upload_problems_1.jpg http://68.105.108.90:1180/stephen/amradio/amstereo_ftp_upload_problems_2.jpg cause I still couldn't get it to even connect to the server today. :( but I can browse the http side of the site just fine. From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Dec 09 14:44:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97103 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2004 22:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2004 22:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2004 22:44:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2004 22:44:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2004 22:44:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 22:44:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 420 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.94.94.105 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I sent him a LONG letter detailing up to date concerns about bandwidth reduction and IBOC. I have not heard back, nor do I expect to. Whenever we confront somebody with the true issues, they seem to get silent. The Emperor has no clothes! KAAM cannot go IBOC without obliterating a 750 only 80 miles away. I do not think KSEO Durant OK would take kindly to having 1000 watt jamming signals only 80 miles away! From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Dec 09 15:21:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26836 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2004 23:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2004 23:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2004 23:21:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2004 23:21:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2004 23:21:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 23:21:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 443 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << Whenever we confront somebody with the true issues, they seem to get silent. >> I was surfing around on the iBiquity site today, and found the list of radio company investors. Maybe this has been posted here before, but it's pretty disheartening: http://www.ibiquity.com/about/invest_radio.htm I wonder how much money we're talking about. Are the radio companies so financially deep into it that the facts will no longer matter? From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Dec 09 19:37:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94545 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 03:37:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 03:37:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 03:37:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 03:37:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 03:37:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 03:37:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1760 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.252.252.140 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > Maybe this has been posted here before, > but it's pretty disheartening: > > http://www.ibiquity.com/about/invest_radio.htm What is disheartening is the waste of money. These folks stand to lose a lot of money when the flawed system inevitably fails to catch on. Nobody wants that, but you cannot change the engineering facts. I was running some simulations on IBOC, and as little as 1 or 2 degrees of phase variation in the AM antenna system over 5 to 10 kHz will put out a lot of amplitude noise. And we all know no antenna system made will have that small of a phase variation. > I wonder how much money we're talking about. Are the radio companies > so financially deep into it that the facts will no longer matter? It doesn't matter - it will fail and they all will lose money. 20 years from now, AM IBOC will be drifting into oblivion the way AM stereo is today. FM IBOC has a chance of working, if the consumers go "wow" and flock to buy the expensive radios. I have been thinking about what to do about the "bacon frying" problem. Given that AM radios will probably go completely DSP in the future, perhaps the bacon frying effect can be mitigated by a DSP algorithm that somehow detects the phase variation with frequency, and somehow corrects for it. Combine that with a Bessel low pass filter so you don't introduce group delay distortion and minimize audio phase variation - and make multiple poles of it, and you should be able to cut the bacon frying effect out. It is a lot of extra work for a problem that never should have happened, but program storage space is cheap in DSPs and will only get cheaper. I think a non-IBOC analog radio could be produced that would get rid of the problem. I hope. From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Dec 09 19:40:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22084 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 03:40:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 03:40:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 03:40:53 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.12]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 20:40:30 -0700 Message-ID: <007901c4de6a$7ce1f7e0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:43:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2004 03:40:31.0814 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFD29660:01C4DE69] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR related X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'll say this much for IBOC- once we go all digital (assuming we survive the transition), when folks have RFI problems, they may have a harder time figuring out who to call! ;) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" > Luckily, in the area where we are, complaints are few and far between. From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Dec 09 19:44:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86804 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 03:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 03:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 03:44:40 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.12]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 20:44:38 -0700 Message-ID: <008701c4de6b$1056afc0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:48:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2004 03:44:39.0045 (UTC) FILETIME=[932F0B50:01C4DE6A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for plans to upgrade modern AM receivers to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not sure what the space requirements are for his radio, but Ford radios with B165 in the model number will have AM stereo, and EB if 94 or later. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Crane" > The F87F-18C868-AD not only has AM stereo but also has: > - the AM extended band (missing on many AM stereo car radios) From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Dec 09 19:48:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52431 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 03:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 03:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 03:48:16 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.12]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 20:48:10 -0700 Message-ID: <008f01c4de6b$8ead3740$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <1A3B6CF82D867E4DA14E074DE01D1728233C74@aubwm208.apac.corp.eds.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:51:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2004 03:48:11.0052 (UTC) FILETIME=[118CBEC0:01C4DE6B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australia's Best AM Stereo - 1053 2CA - Airchecks! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude How much do you think it would cost for an aircheck DVD mailed to the states? As cheap as DVD players have gotten, I should probably get one, but I don't spend that much time at home, and when I do it's taken up with other things so I haven't bothered as of yet. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trim, Matthew L" > I'm going to split the 4.5 gig of files into downloadable chunks of perhaps > 10meg each using a lossless MP3 splitter (mp3DirectCut) Maybe we can get > ftp.amstereoradio.com resurrected for the occasion :) I will also burn it > all onto DVD-R for anyone interested! (if you don't mind covering the > postage and blank disc) From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Dec 09 20:00:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43897 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 04:00:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 04:00:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 04:00:02 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.12]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 20:59:39 -0700 Message-ID: <00b801c4de6d$29c51580$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 22:03:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2004 03:59:40.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC98DD30:01C4DE6C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Avalability of Low Power AM Stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Likely you'd have to run a commercially made AM stereo exciter into a suitably sized LPB or some such. These transmitters are essentially a big linear amp and you can use the composite "sample" output to drive it, bypassing the internal oscillator. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt" > > I am interested in finding information on Low Power AM Stereo trnasmitters. I want to > porpose the Idea of AM stereo to my college for their student run radio station. Righjt > now they are broadcasting on the net because there are no open FM frequencies in > Youngstown,, but there may be some open AM. From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Dec 10 06:22:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32413 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 14:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 14:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 14:22:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 14:21:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 14:21:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:21:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1287 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.94.94.105 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Well, I received an email from him as well - he is very nice in his emails, but made it clear that all Crawford stations, KAAM included, will go IBOC as soon as the FCC OK's nighttime operation. Company line to end, completely brainwashed by Ibiquity's claims, a friend of Jeff Littlejohn, etc. In a way, we allowed this to happen to ourselves. When the FCC was proposing spectrum allocations to AM stations, nobody really thought through what would happen if somebody pushed the spectrum to its absolute limit. The time to speak up was then - and if the spectrum allocations for AM (and FM) had been made brick walls, with no room for this type of sideband abuse, then we would never have had AM IBOC in its present form. Now, we have a standard that takes advantage of the "loophole", and pushes an elephant through the barn door. I remember something in the Bible about a "camel through the eye of a needle" - and that is a pretty appropriate description of what is being done to get digital on AM. As long as we have dedicated professionals in broadcast engineering who are willing to use the Ibiquity system, in spite of it making their stations bad neighbors to adjacents and second adjacents, we are doomed to horrendous interference all over the band. From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Dec 10 08:33:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43997 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 16:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 16:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 16:33:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 16:32:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 16:32:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:32:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2625 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.94.94.106 Subject: IBOC - new tactic. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I have thought of a new tactic - that might catch all the IBOC folks off guard. This thing is going to happen. We all know it. Let's suddenly come out in support of full implementation across the board day and night! We know the thing will self-implode. We collectively have dozens or hundreds of years of broadcast engineering experience. We should have confidence in our own engineering judgement that IBOC will fail. I will not get any personal pleasure out of saying "I told you so" when it does. Our objective is a clear AM band, preferably with a stereo technology that works, and we are facing years and years of interference from this flawed system as it is. By supporting it and removing an obstacle in its way, we get it on the air, interfering, destroying the band - and the problem will be acute immediately. Then - there is more likelihood of people protesting en mass than there will be if it happens slowly. It will be like the frog dropped in cold water where the temperature is raised slowly, vs. the frog jumping out of hot water. Bring IBOC on, let's saturate the band with interference as quickly as possible, and let the public decide if its an "improvement". Right now, we are voices crying out in the wilderness, and easily marginalized as kooks resisting the advancement of radio. We need numbers among our supporters, and IBOC shortcomings right in the public's face may be the only way to get them. We can still say "we told you all along", "CQuam and AMAX are still there", and let them save face by laughing at us and our foolishness in temporarily supporting their flawed technology. They can probably get away with blaming it all on us - we should have spoken out more forcefully, etc. I don't care, we win the war for the AM band either way. Broadcast engineering as a profession has a way of squashing your ego beyond any repair anyway, so I do have any "face" to save in this. Just the listenability of the AM band. As always, I sincerely hope I am completely wrong about IBOC, and it will be a wonderful thing - no interference, no self-jamming because masses of cheap broadband radios are a myth, lots of range and robustness, skywave and DX will be fine, radio saved from financial oblivion, etc. But then there are a lot of things that would be fun to believe in, like Santa Claus. My desire that they be true does not obligate the laws of nature and physics to be in accordance with my will. Perhaps Ibiquity should consider employing somebody who can chance objective reality at will, such as Harry Potter and his friends. From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Dec 10 08:35:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60457 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 16:35:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 16:35:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 16:35:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 16:34:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 16:34:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:34:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2625 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.94.94.106 Subject: IBOC - new tactic. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I have thought of a new tactic - that might catch all the IBOC folks off guard. This thing is going to happen. We all know it. Let's suddenly come out in support of full implementation across the board day and night! We know the thing will self-implode. We collectively have dozens or hundreds of years of broadcast engineering experience. We should have confidence in our own engineering judgement that IBOC will fail. I will not get any personal pleasure out of saying "I told you so" when it does. Our objective is a clear AM band, preferably with a stereo technology that works, and we are facing years and years of interference from this flawed system as it is. By supporting it and removing an obstacle in its way, we get it on the air, interfering, destroying the band - and the problem will be acute immediately. Then - there is more likelihood of people protesting en mass than there will be if it happens slowly. It will be like the frog dropped in cold water where the temperature is raised slowly, vs. the frog jumping out of hot water. Bring IBOC on, let's saturate the band with interference as quickly as possible, and let the public decide if its an "improvement". Right now, we are voices crying out in the wilderness, and easily marginalized as kooks resisting the advancement of radio. We need numbers among our supporters, and IBOC shortcomings right in the public's face may be the only way to get them. We can still say "we told you all along", "CQuam and AMAX are still there", and let them save face by laughing at us and our foolishness in temporarily supporting their flawed technology. They can probably get away with blaming it all on us - we should have spoken out more forcefully, etc. I don't care, we win the war for the AM band either way. Broadcast engineering as a profession has a way of squashing your ego beyond any repair anyway, so I do have any "face" to save in this. Just the listenability of the AM band. As always, I sincerely hope I am completely wrong about IBOC, and it will be a wonderful thing - no interference, no self-jamming because masses of cheap broadband radios are a myth, lots of range and robustness, skywave and DX will be fine, radio saved from financial oblivion, etc. But then there are a lot of things that would be fun to believe in, like Santa Claus. My desire that they be true does not obligate the laws of nature and physics to be in accordance with my will. Perhaps Ibiquity should consider employing somebody who can chance objective reality at will, such as Harry Potter and his friends. From tomray@wor710.com Fri Dec 10 10:03:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56021 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 18:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 18:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 18:03:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 18:02:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 18:02:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:02:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1185 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Matt Patoray wrote: >=20 > Oh you have got to be kidding me, I was listening to the WOR Digital radio > tests that they had posted on their website. They sound like garbage. Yes > there is more frequency response that was evident but the compression sounds > like crap. How come people ALLWAYS think that =B3Digital is better=B2 can none > hear anymore, or am I as my parents say =B3just being too picky=B2. And how did you evaluate these cuts? With headphones full blast?=20 With a sound blaster audio card? Try evaluating them with the $1400 Digigram card that these were produced with and try again.=20=20 I have had several engineers evaluating WOR lately....none of them had an issue with the data compression. If you're evaluating on a "golden ears" basis, you cannot even compare the IBOC audio to analog AM which has limited frequency response and if full of noise. Joe Average does not have golden ears and does not listen to the radio critically.=20 IBOC-AM is much better to listen to than analog AM. I, too, await the FCC to opening IBOC up to nighttime - then the Buckley station conversions will start. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Dec 10 10:06:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7269 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 18:06:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 18:06:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 18:06:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 18:06:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 18:05:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:04:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 979 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > > < pathetic junk. >> > > I've never heard the Bose radio, but I thought it was safe to assume > the AM section is nothing special. > > I sent an e-mail back to Cris Alexander recommending he use the GE > Super Radio as his reference unit. They're affordable, and, if > you're not talking C-QUAM, they're probably the favorite choice of AM > radio fans. > > However, from the tone of his e-mail, I think it's clear Crawford > won't consider making any exceptions for KAAM-Dallas. You make your evaluations with what has been determined to be the "typical" radio the "typical" listener uses when listening to your station. Crawford has obviously determined that their typical listener is most likely using a Bose. I can guarantee that the typical listener isn't using the Super Radio....much as I like them. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Dec 10 10:09:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25193 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 18:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 18:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 18:09:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 18:06:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 18:06:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:06:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 760 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > > << Whenever we confront somebody with the true issues, they seem to > get silent. >> > > I was surfing around on the iBiquity site today, and found the list > of radio company investors. Maybe this has been posted here before, > but it's pretty disheartening: > > http://www.ibiquity.com/about/invest_radio.htm > > I wonder how much money we're talking about. Are the radio companies > so financially deep into it that the facts will no longer matter? The "facts" as presented in this forum will not matter. Back up your statements with measurement data and present it professionally, and do not inject conjecture, and maybe you will be taken seriously. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Dec 10 10:12:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16152 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 18:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 18:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 18:12:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 18:10:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 18:10:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:10:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007901c4de6a$7ce1f7e0$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 766 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR related X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I'll say this much for IBOC- once we go all digital (assuming we survive the > transition), when folks have RFI problems, they may have a harder time > figuring out who to call! ;) > > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Ray" > > > Luckily, in the area where we are, complaints are few and far between. That will be quite the complaint, especially in the RF alley known as the Meadowlands.... "I'm here to complain that your station is causing interference to my telephone". "How do you know it's us?" "It's the station that goes 'sssssssss'." "Sir, there are 7 stations here. We all go 'sssssssss'." Sounds like a Monty Python routine. Tom Ray WOR From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Fri Dec 10 11:33:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83957 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 19:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 19:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 19:33:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 19:33:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 19:33:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:33:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << and maybe you will be taken seriously. >> And I'm supposed to take a corporate pawn such as yourself seriously, Tom? I'm an FM imaging guy in a top 5 market. Much of my work is produced on a $15,000 Pro Tools edit bay, similar to what you'd find in LucasFilm studios. I'll put my ears up against any engineer on the AM dial. Really, try to keep things more civil in the future. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Fri Dec 10 11:39:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62388 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 19:39:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 19:39:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 19:39:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 19:39:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 19:39:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:38:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 360 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << Crawford has obviously determined that their typical listener is most likely using a Bose. >> You can't be serious, Tom. Retail on a Bose Wave Radio is $499. The Adult Standards crowd (most with fixed incomes), aren't likely sporting Wave Radios. Of course, compared to an HD Radio, $499 may indeed be a bargain. There's corporate reasoning for ya. From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Dec 10 12:43:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10762 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 20:43:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 20:43:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 20:43:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 20:43:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 20:43:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:43:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1013 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.94.94.106 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Yes - but Tom, what about the crop of new radio designs that use one ceramic filter? I ran down the line of radios in Best Buy the other day just for the heck of it- every single one broadband! Again, not because anybody cares about high frequencies at the company that made them, but just for cost reduction. The resulting massive influx of broadband AM radios into the country is underway, there will be hundreds of thousands if not millions under trees this year. And every single one will hear the "bacon frying" on any digital station that does not have PERFECT phase on their antenna system from 5 to 10 kHz. As engineers, we both know how difficult it is to hold the phase over that broad of a range. I picture it on the real / imaginary plot - the least little bit of phase shift from 90 degrees on the digital sideband and it puts a "real" component right into the amplitude modulation. So it is going to come booming into these cheap radios with sloppy IF's. NO way to prevent it! From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Dec 10 12:59:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74996 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 20:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 20:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 20:59:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 20:59:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 20:59:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:59:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2167 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.94.94.106 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Guys, look. I like both of you, and I think we can respect each other even if we have differing opinions. I will say that I am totally against the concept of "golden ears" or "golden radios". I am interested in spectrum analyzer plots taken under controlled conditions. And believe me, the first time an IBOC station fires up here, I will have real, hard data to back up every statement I make. There will not be a subjective statement based on golden ears in the mix of it. "Golden ears" are a religious type of argument. I avoid religious discussions such as "PC vs. Mac", "Linux vs. Windows", "tube vs. transistor", and "speaker wire". What I do have now is a mass of data sheets for "radio IC's" that clearly show at best a coil and a single ceramic filter, at worst no ceramic filter AT ALL in the AM IF. And I am compiling a long list of new radios that use each reference design. There are NO new radios using the old 3 coil, 4.5 kHz IF bandwidth reference design. That is 30 year old technology. Its expensive, it takes up board space, and because it uses a lot of parts its less reliable. So this stuff about "all radios are 4.5 kHz bandwidth" is balony. And I can prove it. All radios USED TO BE 4.5 kHz. No more. Superimpose the bandwith of the IC to the bandwidth of the horrendously cheap ceramic filter and the IBOC spectrum, and get ready for a shock! The entire IBOC spectrum comes through unaltered, putting a tremendous burden on the station to keep 5 to 10 kHz perfect phase modulation. And nothing but nothing stops the 10 to 15 khz part because its amplitude modulated to begin with. I also have my own set of MP3's taken off of WBT and KFI that clearly demonstrated bacon frying and the high "birdies" and I can correlate it against receiver make and model. And guess what - at least one of the 4.5 kHz older radios still gets bacon frying! That 4.5 kHz is NOT a brick wall low pass. There is still plenty of energy getting through above 4.5 kHz. We are dealing with voltage dB, not power dB, so I forgive a broadcast engineer for thinking there is more rolloff than there actually is. From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Dec 10 13:08:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49079 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 21:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 21:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 21:08:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 21:07:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 21:07:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:06:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1281 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.94.94.105 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter All I know about the Bose is that every time I travel and happen to be carrying a GE Superradio 3 - I make GE converts out of the people I visit. Their RF section is so terrible it has trouble with FM's over 50 miles, and their AM must not even have an RF amplifier in it, just antenna / converter like most inexpensive radios. Audio bandwidth on the Bose is probably 4.5 kHz. I sneaked a peak inside one - board full of IF transformers, 30 year old reference design. ICK- I hate aligning that stuff. I actually like the new radios with only one ceramic filter. Working on them is a snap! Best of all - FM has NO discriminator in these IC's. Yea! I will never miss aligning a discriminator. Interestingly, the GE Superradio has four IF cans in the AM section. The broadband performance comes from over half a dozen transistors that switch resistors that lower the Q all over the place. Without them, and without the varactors, it is the same narrowband design as the SR-2. The design dates back to 1971 - I expect if there is a Superradio 4 it will be yet another spin of the same 33 year old design. It sure sounds great, but they could have made a broadband receiver much easier by using one of those cheapie ceramic filters instead of 4 cans. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 10 14:54:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41722 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 22:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 22:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 22:54:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 22:54:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 22:54:09 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59607 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 05:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 05:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 05:37:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 05:37:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 05:37:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:37:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 615 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.70 Subject: Re: where to upload airchecks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Dec 2004 22:54:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > I wonder if you're doing something different than what I'm doing... > http://68.105.108.90:1180/stephen/amradio/amstereo_ftp_upload_problems _2.jpg > > cause I still couldn't get it to even connect to the server today. : I'll have to talk tro the admin of the site about whether or not HotMail addresses are blocked from the anonymous login, since the site does block access to certain addresses, since the site's server has been hit by several FTP flood attacks, much of it unrelated to AM stereo. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 10 14:55:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2420 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 22:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 22:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 22:54:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 22:54:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 22:54:21 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66587 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 06:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 06:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 06:05:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 06:05:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 06:05:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:05:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2114 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.70 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Dec 2004 22:54:20 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > I > think a non-IBOC analog radio could be produced that would get rid > of the problem. I hope. A fundemental aspect of DSP is to remove predictable RFI and known random RFI if it meets what it expects. So....Yes. Who the hell needs IBOC when there's DSP? Talk about a big waste of money- over $100k for equipment, PLUS service/royalty/privilege fees PER STATION... Maybe group rates for corporates, but.... Look, I don't mind if someone rund IBOC experiments, even seeing how good they could get their station to work with IBOC, but.... Any engineer that simply repeats the organizational/corporate line is not an engineer I can respect. Thje first job of an engineer is to make sure the station under his care operates as cleanly and efficiently for the majority of his/her station's listeners. A good station means good ad revenues. AM stereo is an added bonus that, when configured and tweaked right, actually improves the listening experience even for non-AMS listeners. IPM kills good broadcast signals, and a properly-aligned AM (stereo) transmitter and antenna feed & array will have as little IPM as possible. But when you say "Tough luck, we're going IBOC whether you like it or not", I just cannot respect that kind of behavior. If IBOC on AM worked, and caused as little interference as possible to non-IBOC receivers- Actually met the FCC's interference guidelines, the same ones that knocked Harris off the AMS race 20 years ago- then MAYBE I could say there's something to it. But with bad codecs, horrendous delays, loud static blanketing the band, and so on and so forth.... IBOC, the way it's done presently, is a very bad idea being shoved down the whole industry's throats, and with not a care for the listeners who, for the most part, don't know any better, and have no motivation TO care. (They don't care if they DO have AMS in their car radios, even when they have the radios.) Speaking as a mouse, I can't believe there are so many lemmings in the industry! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 10 14:55:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19099 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 22:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 22:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 22:55:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 22:55:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 22:55:25 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68884 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 06:21:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 06:21:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 06:21:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 06:21:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 06:21:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:20:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b801c4de6d$29c51580$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 325 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.70 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Avalability of Low Power AM Stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Dec 2004 22:54:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 It's a shame there are no otrher Part-15/LPAM AMS transmitters other than the Alfredo/Alfredo Lite designs, and those only being hand-made by a couple. Only other probable way is an exciter or AMS signal generator. We really need more AMS transmitter options for the casual, budget- minded AMS hobbyist. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 10 15:07:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50179 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 23:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 23:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 23:07:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 23:05:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 23:05:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:05:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1227 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.7 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > And how did you evaluate these cuts? With headphones full blast? > With a sound blaster audio card? Try evaluating them with the > $1400 Digigram card that these were produced with and try again. It doesn't take $1400 worth of equipment to hear grossly obvious digital codec artifacts. If anything, cheaper audio equipment might actually make IBOC sound _better_ -- I have noticed that XM satellite radio sounds much more pleasing when heard through the muffled ceiling speakers of a restaurant, than versus through a high-end audio system with super-tweeters aimed right at my ears, because the treble roll-off helps to cover up most of XM's gritty, sizzly "simulated treble" artifacts. (Listening to XM on the premium audio system in a coworker's Buick literally gave me a headache, because the codec artifacts were so bad.) > If you're evaluating on a "golden ears" basis, you cannot even > compare the IBOC audio to analog AM which has limited frequency > response and if full of noise. Only when you are broadcasting a hybrid IBOC signal, that is. Turn off the IBOC hash generator, and it's like magic -- the frequency response opens up and the constant background hiss/"sizzling" noise goes away! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Dec 10 17:58:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87318 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 01:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 01:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 01:58:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:58:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 01:57:57 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:58:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2004 01:58:00.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7D34360:01C4DF24] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.76 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Douglas wrote: > I'm an FM imaging guy in a top 5 market. Much of my work is produced on a $15,000 Pro Tools edit bay, similar to what you'd find in LucasFilm studios. While I have not had the chance to use a Pro Tools edit bay, I am willing to bet it uses a much better sound card than WOR's Digigram card. Anyway, even on the sound card built into my Averatec laptop fed into the AUX inputs of my aiwa bookshelf stereo, you can hear the digital artifacts in the WOR and Ibiquity audio samples on the web. That is why I suggested the HD radio Vs C-QUAM shoot-out using the same Christmas song. I think it will show that yes, HD radio does indeed sound a million times better than 5Khz analog AM, but C-QUAM, even with the NRSC filtering, sounds better than HD radio. And if anybody screams "Sound Card Distortion" record the samples on 1/4" tape in half track stereo at 15 ips as a back-up. I STILL love to work with a Revox PR-99! LOL reckon I am "old school". Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Dec 10 19:38:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54553 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 03:38:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 03:38:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 03:38:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 03:37:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 03:37:32 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97510 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 23:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 23:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 23:28:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 23:28:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 23:28:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:28:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1020 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: where to upload airchecks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 11 Dec 2004 03:37:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 I tried an address from fastmail.fm and yahoo.com and they didn't work either. I would prefer not to have to register yet ANOTHER email address with a different server (unless I can think of one I forgot I had that's been lying dormant for a while) just to be able to upload to that site. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > > I wonder if you're doing something different than what I'm doing... > > > http://68.105.108.90:1180/stephen/amradio/amstereo_ftp_upload_problems > _2.jpg > > > > cause I still couldn't get it to even connect to the server today. : > > I'll have to talk tro the admin of the site about whether or not > HotMail addresses are blocked from the anonymous login, since the > site does block access to certain addresses, since the site's server > has been hit by several FTP flood attacks, much of it unrelated to AM > stereo. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 10 19:53:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80420 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 03:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 03:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 03:53:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 03:52:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 03:52:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 03:52:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 708 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.7 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > And if anybody screams "Sound Card Distortion" record the samples > on 1/4" tape in half track stereo at 15 ips as a back-up. I STILL > love to work with a Revox PR-99! LOL reckon I am "old school". Or better yet, record it on a good-quality VHS Hi-Fi Stereo VCR in audio-only mode. Not only is VHS Hi-Fi one of the highest-fidelity analog recording mediums ever produced, it is also readily available and relatively inexpensive. Just watch out for RF interference caused by the VCR itself -- that can be a problem when trying to record weaker AM signals, but it can often be mitigated by the use of properly shielded and grounded wiring, as well as proper positioning of the receiver's antenna. From jeffdeck@aol.com Fri Dec 10 20:41:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98350 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 04:41:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 04:41:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 04:41:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 04:40:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 04:40:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:40:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2771 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.209.139.160 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Bruce, You write: >All I know about the Bose is that every time I travel and happen to >be carrying a GE Superradio 3 - I make GE converts out of the >people I visit. Their RF section is so terrible it has trouble >with FM's over 50 miles, and their AM must not even have an RF >amplifier in it, just antenna / converter like most inexpensive >radios. Audio bandwidth on the Bose is probably 4.5 kHz. AM audio bandwidth on a 1999 late model Bose Wave radio was more like 2.4kHz per my independent quantitative tests. Also, the audio was passed through the FM de-emphasis and stereo circuitry. >I sneaked a peak inside one - board full of IF transformers, >30 year old reference design. Actually, all of the Bose Wave radios, back to the first ones in 1993, use either a Sanyo LA1851 or LA1836 "tuner on a chip" with a Mitsumi FM front end module. As for the AM I.F strip, it is one single Toko custom integrated piece, comprised of two I.F transformers and one ceramic filter sandwiched between the two I.F transformer cans. Also, there is an RF amplifier stage for the AM tuner inside both the LA1836 and LA1851 chips. However, it does not have a double balanced type differential AM mixer stage to reduce the image frequencies. Per my tests in the near field of four 50kW AM stations, it could have performed better. I cannot complain much about the Bose Wave radio. It may be the last American-made mass produced electronic product. >ICK- I hate aligning that stuff. I actually like the new radios >with only one ceramic filter. Working on them is a snap! Best of >all - FM has NO discriminator in these IC's. Yea! I will never >miss aligning a discriminator. Personally, these new AM designs are based on streamlining costs. With ceramic filters, you have to be careful about meeting the input / output impedances. Otherwise, the AM I.F passband becomes very non-linear and asymmetrical. I suspect that this is what may be happening with the TA2003 circuit design. >Interestingly, the GE Superradio has four IF cans in the AM >section. The broadband performance comes from over half a dozen >transistors that switch resistors that lower the Q all over the >place. Without them, and without the varactors, it is the same >narrowband design as the SR-2. The design dates back to 1971 - I >expect if there is a Superradio 4 it will be yet another spin of >the same 33 year old design. It sure sounds great, but they could >have made a broadband receiver much easier by using one of those >cheapie ceramic filters instead of 4 cans. One SFZ series AM ceramic filter can replace the selectivity of four I.F transformers. 73, Jeff Deck For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit http://meduci.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 10 21:56:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42818 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 05:56:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 05:56:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 05:56:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 05:56:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 05:56:24 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96549 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 04:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 04:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 04:28:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 04:27:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 04:27:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:27:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 924 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.155 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 11 Dec 2004 05:56:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > And if anybody screams "Sound Card Distortion" record the samples > > on 1/4" tape in half track stereo at 15 ips as a back-up. I STILL > > love to work with a Revox PR-99! LOL reckon I am "old school". > > Or better yet, record it on a good-quality VHS Hi-Fi Stereo VCR in > audio-only mode. Not only is VHS Hi-Fi one of the highest-fidelity > analog recording mediums ever produced, it is also readily available > and relatively inexpensive. > > Just watch out for RF interference caused by the VCR itself -- that > can be a problem when trying to record weaker AM signals, but it can > often be mitigated by the use of properly shielded and grounded > wiring, as well as proper positioning of the receiver's antenna. Many HiFi VCRs have poor head-switching, which causes a "buzz" sound in the recorded audio. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 10 21:57:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52618 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 05:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 05:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 05:57:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 05:56:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 05:56:10 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25436 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 04:19:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 04:19:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 04:19:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 04:18:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 04:18:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:17:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1539 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.155 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 11 Dec 2004 05:56:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 > > If you're evaluating on a "golden ears" basis, you cannot even > > compare the IBOC audio to analog AM which has limited frequency > > response and if full of noise. Y'know, I'd rather HAVE the noise than having a signal intermittently go out or get garbled (DRM, anyone?) or something that falls back on JUST THAT NOISY SITUATION when the receiver receives errors- Guess what, you get NOISE in IBOC! And as for limited frequency response... I've heard wideband AM that rivals anything FM or digital could put out. IBOC has to SIMULATE its high-frequency response-- DRM does this too, as well as being part of MP3Pro codec standards. It's called "SBR", although off-paw I forget what it stands for. Digital on AM is very limited, and left to a highly inefficient (ie: NOISY) broadcast band, in which real-world usage is limited. I still have yet to be convinced of ANY added value to warrant the expense, either by broadcaster or consumer. You want noise-free AM? Lobby for DSP radios, not for IBOC. Costs you far, far less, and it benefits far, far more for the cost. IBOC is a billion-dollar boondoggle-- An expensive albatross, and no engineer towing the corporate/industry line is a credit to any other engineer trying to make their station the best sounding for the least damage. Or, to quote Scotty: "You cannae change the laws of physics!" I'd rather take Bruce Carter's and Douglas' words. They at least are engineers I can respect, thanks to their independence from the corporate line. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 10 21:57:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 58651 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 05:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 05:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 05:57:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 05:56:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 05:56:56 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39063 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 04:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 04:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 04:25:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 04:25:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 04:25:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:25:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 543 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.155 Subject: Re: where to upload airchecks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 11 Dec 2004 05:56:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > > > I tried an address from fastmail.fm and yahoo.com and they didn't work > either. I would prefer not to have to register yet ANOTHER email > address with a different server (unless I can think of one I forgot I > had that's been lying dormant for a while) just to be able to upload > to that site. Could you send your ISP domain name to me privately, to amymousie[at] yahoo[dot]com, please? I'll check with the admin for you. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 10 22:20:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75879 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 06:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 06:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52403.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.111) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 06:20:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 62767 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2004 06:20:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=AoVbdXPXP9vzzURbkrR8Z6MxNHzm7+fFVRkO+6iT3MNdJ0UdY9bnn1jQiGYkyZ5Ds1oxaBBxipRPwDq9clpPqfeJLeaVuheZsXnXQXJWgCIRSZileKBI2bHRr+4WLeTHKgzt0CDnO/l3QDoOK1UrH1Ql0qOm4zRNgM6Zp2mqe7I= ; Message-ID: <20041211062016.62765.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.78] by web52403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:20:16 PST Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:20:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.111 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > You make your evaluations with what has been > determined to be the > "typical" radio the "typical" listener uses when > listening to your > station. Crawford has obviously determined that > their typical > listener is most likely using a Bose. I can > guarantee that the > typical listener isn't using the Super Radio....much > as I like them. > Tom Ray > WOR Unfortunately the Bose is way overpriced and on AM sounds like CRAP. Did I say CRAP. Yes, I did. My Hammarlund HQ-180A in widest mode ( 3 kilohertz) sounds better. I do NOT want and DO not listen to music with it. I went with a friend of mine to work on an upstate SC radio station and he rented a current model Chevy Cavalier. The AM section is just BEYOND unpleasant to listen to. No you aren't going to hear the difference between 5 kilohertz and whatever else. The radio is so restricted it's just plain distracting to listen to AM with. No, it's a serious SAFETY hazard as you have to pay close attention to what's being said. If I have to have a newer vehicle ( one of these days) and the AM radio and band sound that way then I will NOT be listening. I don't think that radio people understand this, and I've worked in the industry 38 years! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From mspatoray@sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 10 23:33:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspatoray@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34097 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 07:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 07:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 07:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (mspatoray@sbcglobal.net@64.108.116.206 with login) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 07:33:47 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:33:44 -0500 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.84 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178375692 X-Yahoo-Profile: mpatoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, When I first listened to the clips it was on my Power Mac G3 with my AKG K-240M phones. Then I downloaded the clips, dumped them into Roxio Toast Titanium and burnt an Audio CD at 8X. I then popped it into my Sony CD-RW33 CD Burner, listened to them again on my AKG=B9s, then using my HK AVR-65 connected to a pair of JBL D-30 speakers. Still sounds the same to me, but than again I may be being too picky. I do have a Question about the IBOC signal, now I can sit here in Youngstown with the crappy loop antenna connected to my HK and listen to Joey Reynolds on WOR, would this be possible on IBOC. Please excuse the dumb question but I can=B9t even see le= t alone buy an IBOC receiver in Youngstown Ohio. Thank you for your time, Matt On 12/10/04 1:02 PM, "Tom Ray" wrote: >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Matt Patoray wrote= : >=20 >> >=20 >> > Oh you have got to be kidding me, I was listening to the WOR Digital > radio >> > tests that they had posted on their website. They sound like > garbage. Yes >> > there is more frequency response that was evident but the > compression sounds >> > like crap. How come people ALLWAYS think that =B3Digital is better=B2 > can none >> > hear anymore, or am I as my parents say =B3just being too picky=B2. >=20 >=20 > And how did you evaluate these cuts? With headphones full blast? > With a sound blaster audio card? Try evaluating them with the $1400 > Digigram card that these were produced with and try again. >=20 > I have had several engineers evaluating WOR lately....none of them had > an issue with the data compression. If you're evaluating on a "golden > ears" basis, you cannot even compare the IBOC audio to analog AM which > has limited frequency response and if full of noise. Joe Average does > not have golden ears and does not listen to the radio critically. > IBOC-AM is much better to listen to than analog AM. I, too, await the > FCC to opening IBOC up to nighttime - then the Buckley station > conversions will start. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >=20 >=20 > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >=20=20 > ADVERTISEMENT >=20=20 > ps/S=3D1705034690:HM/EXP=3D1102788201/A=3D2061551/R=3D0/SIG=3D11sr5b9n1/*= http://launch.y > ahoo.com/artist/videos.asp?artistID=3D1001301> >=20 >=20 > Yahoo! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > *=20=20 > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > *=20=20 > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mspatoray@sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 10 23:55:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspatoray@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21783 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 07:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 07:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.182) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 07:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (mspatoray@sbcglobal.net@64.108.116.206 with login) by smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 07:55:08 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:55:06 -0500 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.182 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178375692 X-Yahoo-Profile: mpatoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can=B9t we just use Digital Audio Tape (DAT) or a decent stand alone CD bur= ner like the Sony CDR-W33, and no I am not a real fan of Anything VHS but I wil= l use it if needed. Matt On 12/10/04 11:27 PM, "Amy Mousie" wrote: >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: >> >=20 >>> > > And if anybody screams "Sound Card Distortion" record the samples >>> > > on 1/4" tape in half track stereo at 15 ips as a back-up. I STILL >>> > > love to work with a Revox PR-99! LOL reckon I am "old school". >> >=20 >> > Or better yet, record it on a good-quality VHS Hi-Fi Stereo VCR in >> > audio-only mode. Not only is VHS Hi-Fi one of the highest-fidelity >> > analog recording mediums ever produced, it is also readily > available=20 >> > and relatively inexpensive. >> >=20 >> > Just watch out for RF interference caused by the VCR itself -- that >> > can be a problem when trying to record weaker AM signals, but it > can=20 >> > often be mitigated by the use of properly shielded and grounded >> > wiring, as well as proper positioning of the receiver's antenna. >=20 > Many HiFi VCRs have poor head-switching, which causes a "buzz" sound > in the recorded audio. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >=20 >=20 > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >=20=20 > ADVERTISEMENT >=20=20 > ps/S=3D1705034690:HM/EXP=3D1102830986/A=3D2061551/R=3D0/SIG=3D11sr5b9n1/*= http://launch.y > ahoo.com/artist/videos.asp?artistID=3D1001301> >=20 >=20 > Yahoo! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > *=20=20 > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > *=20=20 > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 11 01:11:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38496 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 09:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 09:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 09:11:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 09:11:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 09:11:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:11:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 548 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.7 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Can=B9t we just use Digital Audio Tape (DAT) or a decent stand alone > CD burner like the Sony CDR-W33, and no I am not a real fan of > Anything VHS but I will use it if needed. Of course, a CD, or CD-equivalent 16-bit 44.1 kHz uncompressed WAV=20 files, are more than adequate for this purpose, but there still are=20 those who are convinced that the limitations of "CD-quality" digital=20 audio are somehow unacceptable -- thus the interest in recording=20 media (both analog and digital) which can exceed the fidelity offered=20 by a conventional CD. From brucec@mindspring.com Sat Dec 11 06:32:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85539 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 14:32:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 14:32:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 14:32:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 14:32:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 14:32:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:32:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2117 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.252.252.205 Subject: 2.4 kHz Bose - so much for golden ears! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Thanks for the information about the Bose! I have been searching all over the web for details of its design or a schematic. I figured they had one or two tricks in there, it didn't look exactly like the old three can design. After a while, you can spot which reference design the radio manufacturers used. It is to their credit that they used a little bit of creativity. As for ceramic filters - most radio manufacturers deviate from the reference design schematic in the data sheets by deleting the impedance matching transformer. I seldom see one. The reason on one IC is that the pinout is just too tempting: FM - AM - pwr - AM - FM. Put the AM ceramic filter inboard, the FM outboard, done. Put the recomended transformer in there and it mucks up the nice layout. I do find exactly what you said - a really good single ceramic filter does outperform even 4 IF cans, and is relatively wide band. I love my daughter's "Mary Kate and Ashley" radio. The girls actually had a decent design house. It has plenty of room inside for lots of modifications. It already uses a 150 khz ceramic filter on the FM - GE could learn from that. Although the radio deletes the matching transformer, it uses a fairly good AM ceramic filter to start with. I improved it with a three section staggered filter from an old wireless mouse. Not only is it reasonably wideband on AM, but it is very selective! 2nd adjacents are really attenuated, I have several instances of a fringe 5 kW sandwiched between very strong locals, and it works well on all of them. These radio IC's are HOT - when I put a 10 inch ferrite bar in the Mary Kat and Ashley radio - it gives the GE a run for its money. I have heard several posters on other boards talk about some of them being noisy, but I never have had any problems. In fact - the whole superhet architecture is in there, I am considering doing a ground up design with 2 tuned RF stages, a really good multi-section ceramic filter IF, etc. with switchable bandwidth. All I have to do is sacrifice a $5 radio from the drug store to get the IC. From brucec@mindspring.com Sat Dec 11 06:48:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9488 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 14:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 14:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 14:48:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 14:48:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 14:48:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:47:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2153 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.252.252.205 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Tom is probably a better person to answer this than me - but this is a multi-billion dollar question. Will IBOC really work to extend a station'r listenability? Part of me hopes it does - that even buried in an analog mish-mosh at night, a faint digital stream can be recovered that makes a very distant IBOC station recoverable when it might not otherwise be. IBOC is phase modulated from 5 to 10 kHz, which is a different modulation scheme than amplitude - so it just might be the case. There may be some very interesting DX possibilities with IBOC that is presently unthinkable. Since we all know that not all AM stations will be able to go IBOC, we may have an AM band with a few dozen big stations broadcasting it, and the others still analog. The sidebands are very robust - the source of a lot of consternation for DX'ers. Since that is the case, and digital is recoverable even at very low levels, we could possibly have coast to coast digital reception of some stations, even when the analog is undetectable. I assume that you have a clear shot at WOR. There are not any strong 700's or 720's that obliterate one or both sidebands. What I don't know is if the 10 to 15 kHz sidebands are imperative, or are merely the supplemental data. Tom? As long as you have the required sidebands present, even if there is some analog trash on there, I assume that the digital receiver would reject the analog, and decode the digital. You might just have completely clear, 15 kHz digital reception hundreds of miles away. The wild card in this is platform motion. It only causes channel switching on C-Quam. I have heard some discussion that it will cause digital to drop completely. So your distance to other 710's will be crucial. I know WOR is a lost cause here. I get a mix of 710's from Kansas City, Shreveport, Amarillo, and who knows where else. Kansas City is probably your biggest problem where you are. Will it cause IBOC to drop out? I am sure we all would like to know when you listen on an IBOC radio up there - as this is an interesting new aspect of AM band DX'ing. Uncharted territory - From brucec@mindspring.com Sat Dec 11 06:59:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68652 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 14:59:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 14:59:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 14:59:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 14:59:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 14:59:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:59:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1451 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.252.252.205 Subject: Can we please dispense with "golden ears" once and for all? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter We are all engineers, which means we are SCIENTISTS. If you cannot precisely define what the term "golden ears" means, then it becomes a matter of FAITH, not science. A proponent of one standard or another will always try to claim that the opponent does not have "golden ears" - a situation that the hapless opponent will not be able to defend against. Let's agree to talk about harmonics measured on spectrum analyzers, and see if both sides of the IBOC debate can agree on acceptable and unacceptable levels of measurable harmonics in each band - 0 to 5 kHz, 5 to 10 kHz, and 10 to 15 kHz. When quoting harmonics levels, please indicate the model number of the instrument used, its last calibration date, the sampling window, the type of sampling window, and any averaging settings used. In this way, the data can be independently verified. This "golden ears" and "golden radio" nonsense reminds me of the hapless victims of a cult church I encountered at one time. The victims aspired to receive "the baptism in the Holy Spirit", which was judged by a group of "elders". Members worked for years in some cases to receive the "baptism" - only to be told they were not yet "holy enough". I suppose my ears will never be judged as "golden" by the IBOC crowd, because I can still hear a difference between 6 kHz audio and 10 kHz audio - and (horrors) I can hear the bacon frying effect which isn't supposed to be there! From brucec@mindspring.com Sat Dec 11 07:09:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88724 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 15:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 15:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 15:09:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 15:08:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 15:08:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:08:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1036 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.252.252.205 Subject: MP3's vs. recordings --- X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter A note to the IBOC opponents. You do not do yourselves a service by having only MP3's of your bacon frying and birdie samples. The very nature of the MP3 format will tend to mask these effects to a degree. I still have the MP3 samples, and intend to use them - but suspect that good analog recordings will illustrate the problem much more effectively. In everything you do - DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT. Date, time, station, radio used, and if possible which IC it uses and what type of IF is in it. Get a part numbers off as many IF cans / ceramic filters as you can. Keep sending me everything you got! I do have a plan that I will implement: if I have a valid engineering case to make. If we do our documentation right, we will blow AM IBOC right out of the water. While they talk "golden ears", we will be talking straight engineering facts. But they have to be facts, not opinion, and have to withstand independent, and possibly hostile, verification. That is all that matters when I go to Washington. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Dec 11 07:32:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77248 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 15:32:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 15:32:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 15:32:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 15:30:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 15:30:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:30:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 510 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: Can we please dispense with "golden ears" once and for all? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Yes, "golden ears" are entirely subjective. And, besides, some people--a lot of us in radio, for instance--have abused our ears over the years. I don't use cans at work so that I can preserve my hearing for as long as possible. But let's say you DO buy into the "golden ears" thing-- just a hypothetical. Would you trust someone who's spending otherwise valuable time applying the "golden ears" approach to 6 kHz of fidelity? Hmmm? Next, Crawford will be liquidating its Neumann's for carbon mics. From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Dec 11 09:19:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41660 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 17:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 17:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao12.cox.net) (68.230.241.27) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 17:19:21 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041211171917.ZDGJ21905.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:19:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:19:13 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.27 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A long time ago I recorded the WOR samples onto my iPod and let my wife = =20 listen. Her response? Sounds good. I had to agree. Is it as good as=20=20 good analog on a good analog AM radio:? Probably not. But that=20=20 situation is rare. One positive about IBOC is that the worst of it sounds better than the=20=20 average analog. Of course the worst IBOC sounds the same as the best=20=20 IBOC. The point is that for the typical listener -- and please not I am = =20 not talking about interference of IBOC signals on each others hers --=20=20 the sound will be better with an IBOC radio. And average probably means = =20 95% of radio listeners. On the other hand, analog AM stereo brought improvement to very few,=20=20 since so many AM stereo radios still sounded lousy. Yes, many sounded=20=20 good, but far too many were narrow band with stereo. Yuck. I'd rather=20=20 have wideband mono (a la GE Superadio) than lousy sounding stereo. So while I am not a convert, I can see exactly why Tom, Kerry and=20=20 others are so excited about IBOC/HD. Richard Wagoner On Dec 10, 2004, at 11:33 PM, Matt Patoray wrote: > Hi, > > When I first listened to the clips it was on my Power Mac G3 with my = =20 > AKG > K-240M phones. Then=A0 I downloaded the clips, dumped them into Roxio = =20 > Toast > Titanium and burnt an Audio CD at 8X. I then popped it into my Sony=20=20 > CD-RW33 > CD Burner, listened to them again on my AKG=B9s, then using my HK AVR-65 > connected to a pair of JBL D-30 speakers. Still sounds the same to=20=20 > me, but > than again I may be being too picky. I do have a Question about the=20=20 > IBOC > signal, now I can sit here in Youngstown with the crappy loop antenna > connected to my HK and listen to Joey Reynolds on WOR, would this be > possible on IBOC. Please excuse the dumb question but I can=B9t even = =20 > see let > alone buy an IBOC receiver in Youngstown Ohio. > > Thank you for your time, > > Matt > > On 12/10/04 1:02 PM, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Matt Patoray = =20 > wrote: > > > >> > > >> > Oh you have got to be kidding me, I was listening to the WOR=20=20 > Digital > > radio > >> > tests that they had posted on their website. They sound like > > garbage. Yes > >> > there is more frequency response that was evident but the > > compression sounds > >> > like crap. How come people ALLWAYS think that =B3Digital is better= =B2 > > can none > >> > hear anymore, or am I as my parents say =B3just being too picky=B2. > > > > > > And how did you evaluate these cuts?=A0 With headphones full blast? > > With a sound blaster audio card?=A0 Try evaluating them with the $1400 > > Digigram card that these were produced with and try again. > > > > I have had several engineers evaluating WOR lately....none of them = =20 > had > > an issue with the data compression.=A0 If you're evaluating on a=20=20 > "golden > > ears" basis, you cannot even compare the IBOC audio to analog AM=20=20 > which > > has limited frequency response and if full of noise.=A0 Joe Average = =20 > does > > not have golden ears and does not listen to the radio critically. > > IBOC-AM is much better to listen to than analog AM.=A0 I, too, await = =20 > the > > FCC to opening IBOC up to nighttime - then the Buckley station > > conversions will start. > > > > Tom Ray > > WOR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of=20=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Dec 11 09:23:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1921 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 17:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 17:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 17:23:57 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041211172328.VKUF7026.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:23:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5E6DC050-4B99-11D9-920C-000D9356B656@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:23:27 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.29 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2.4 kHz Bose - so much for golden ears! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Is the Bose really made in the US? If it is, I'd be more inclined to consider one. "Bad design" and all. Richard From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sat Dec 11 10:48:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31685 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 18:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 18:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.19) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 18:48:13 -0000 Received: from user-5635.l3.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.150.3] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CdCHs-0003ui-Be for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:48:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:46:35 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.19 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: LPAMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Amy, My engineer Chris has laid out the first prototype board for a PWM generator of a new 100w average power AM transmitter. However, we're initially trying to get to the proof of concept stage and had not thought of AMS option as we're targeting the mass market. We're looking at any production model to be built into a 2U 19" rack case with large LCD display showing all operating parameters. FWIW we have three LP filters designed and are looking at a frequency agile design with TXCO for stability and relay switched RF output filters. For once I'm looking to gain FCC certification if funds allow and see if I can sell some to the stations who have to run real low night power. When I was involved with WLYC in Williamsport I took out the LPB (night TX) and replaced it with a PWM. It was the difference between chalk and cheese and doubled our night-time coverage. Aside from the above just what maximum power do you think 'hobbyists' would be prepared to pay out for? Personally I don't think say a 10w AMS rig is financially viable. Let me know what you think. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Dec 11 12:42:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44482 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 20:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 20:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 20:42:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 16552 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2004 20:42:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=OeFF6XlwAv0w7Gg8a+GGM/Td4atwQPMqPaiu0ZJhPNtiric74jkRlOUfJ6NmdEt30L8hjNmIyC4SSxW/DBp9bzLenxwr777sv6MIozj55PakUmVuZ/fAkObsO6PaLuBUAx9aF5umx9e0HQqHQ+NCpbKsfzJA5yNPoJYDq0+OnsA= ; Message-ID: <20041211204256.16549.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.119] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:42:56 PST Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:42:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Can we please dispense with "golden ears" once and for all? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Douglas wrote: > > Yes, "golden ears" are entirely subjective. And, > besides, some people--a lot of us in > radio, for instance--have abused our ears over the > years. I don't use cans at work so > that I can preserve my hearing for as long as > possible. When I worked at WKDK, I was VERY careful to not run headphones at loud levels. All I needed them for was when talking, to hear what I was doing. > But let's say you DO buy into the "golden ears" > thing-- just a hypothetical. Would you > trust someone who's spending otherwise valuable time > applying the "golden ears" > approach to 6 kHz of fidelity? Hmmm? GAG ! NO! > Next, Crawford will be liquidating its Neumann's for > carbon mics. LOLOLOLOLOLOL! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Dec 11 12:44:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79203 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 20:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 20:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52403.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.111) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 20:44:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 56458 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2004 20:44:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=XlhXB6QL1XzkeBiTXyynpwKUHan0eyo2bV6LkiY2fT07bHYOE4q7rdcP90hbmhasAzmtrt7x5KVdnGBkvc57kZxpg8qTOM4PZbnDWBjcGmA4ob80oFhxbXqN3lmBDoTrmBjpQGi7cSvB6j2BdnlFUGfH4wXo7z7Lq+2V/KPNszE= ; Message-ID: <20041211204446.56456.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.119] by web52403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:44:46 PST Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:44:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5E6DC050-4B99-11D9-920C-000D9356B656@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.111 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2.4 kHz Bose - so much for golden ears! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > Is the Bose really made in the US? If it is, I'd be > more inclined to > consider one. "Bad design" and all. > Richard Some of the models are made in Blythewood SC ( 20 miles north or so of Columbia SC ) but there has been some assembly being shipped to Mexico. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 11 13:13:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86525 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 21:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 21:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 21:13:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 21:13:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 21:13:35 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85287 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 19:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 19:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 19:52:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 19:51:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 19:51:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:51:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 912 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.28 Subject: Re: Can we please dispense with "golden ears" once and for all? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 11 Dec 2004 21:13:34 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 I don't believe in the "golden ears" thing, either- I also don't necessarily agree the best audio is the most expensive, and have never cared for "audiophiles". Personally, the best-soundingt audio I find are usually mid-range equipment- Neither cheap nor expensive. I've heard "audiophile" equipment, and oftentimes, they're not really as lifelike as they claim. You can get good mid-range off-the-shelf stuff that will sound good, but most are looking for the cheapest they can buy, and the "audiophiles" go off on their own spending binges, just to say they have this expensive "audiophile" equipment. So how much for a good piece of audio equipment? You can got really good stuff from $50-$250 with some great stuff under $150, even today. You don't need "bells and whistles", just reliability. What we need are some good mid-range AMS gear...but there is none "off-the-shelf". Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 11 13:14:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3735 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 21:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 21:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 21:14:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 21:13:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 21:13:59 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39174 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 19:38:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 19:38:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 19:38:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 19:38:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 19:38:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:38:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1200 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.28 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 11 Dec 2004 21:13:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > On the other hand, analog AM stereo brought improvement to very few, > since so many AM stereo radios still sounded lousy. Yes, many sounded > good, but far too many were narrow band with stereo. Yuck. I'd rather > have wideband mono (a la GE Superadio) than lousy sounding stereo. And many of THOSE narrtow-sounding AMS radios were better than most MONO AM radios. But not even most were that narrow! Certainly not the factory-installed AMSes that Ford & Chrysler are still putting out. I personally have yet to hear a bad AMS radio, but I have heard plenty of bad mono AMs. But does AMS benefit the non-AMS listener? Yes, but he/she never notices it. Why? Phase. The cleaner the phase, the cleaner the transmitted AM, which means no muddy bass or trebel.... The casual listener will just notice their station has cleaner sound. This is what I noticed with KFI back when I was young- The music and announcers sounded crisper and cleaner....then I found out they were STEREO. That old Harris AMS rig made the difference, in my opinion. :) When you do it right, EVERYBODY benefits. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 11 13:14:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31782 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 21:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 21:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 21:14:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 21:13:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 21:13:02 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29265 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 19:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 19:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 19:27:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 19:26:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2004 19:26:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:26:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2811 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.28 Subject: Re: LPAMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 11 Dec 2004 21:12:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Amy, > > My engineer Chris has laid out the first prototype board for a PWM > generator of a new 100w average power AM transmitter. > > However, we're initially trying to get to the proof of concept stage and > had not thought of AMS option as we're targeting the mass market. There is interest- God knows AMS gear sells well on eBay! But yes, there are many who don't need AMS, or know what to do with it. > We're looking at any production model to be built into a 2U 19" rack > case with large LCD display showing all operating parameters. Sounds good, and sounds like it'll look pleasing. > FWIW we have three LP filters designed and are looking at a frequency > agile design with TXCO for stability and relay switched RF output > filters. Stability is good. :) > For once I'm looking to gain FCC certification if funds allow and see if > I can sell some to the stations who have to run real low night power. Sounds like you know the market you want to aim for. > When I was involved with WLYC in Williamsport I took out the LPB (night > TX) and replaced it with a PWM. > > It was the difference between chalk and cheese and doubled our > night-time coverage. :D Efficiency is always a plus. :) > Aside from the above just what maximum power do you think 'hobbyists' > would be prepared to pay out for? On the AM band, about 100mW is all that's allowed for Part-15 type acceptance. For the 160-190kHz LW, that's about 1 watt. It varies for shortwave, but the 13MHz window, I think, could be greater than even one watt- At least 3W, if I recall the approximate math. There are two considerations: Part 15 operations and LPAM operations. The former requires no authorizatrion by the broadcaster, but the latter does. I think LPAM is defined at less than 100W, but I know it's in the watt-plus range. > Personally I don't think say a 10w AMS rig is financially viable. > > Let me know what you think. Check the boards at Ramsey- There have been constant requests to make an AMS version of their LPAM TX over the last several years. People would be happy with a US$100-$500 AMS rig, even for Part-15, although it's the p15ers who are under such small budgets that they'll look for an under-$200 solution. Chris Cuff's Alfredo Lites always sell, even at around $130. Unfortunately, the AL is the only low-cost solution, and commercial equipment isn't always designed to work under non-commercial circumstances, so things like exciters and signal generators are iffy for the hobbyist. Even used, they're still higher than what some would warrant for personal broadcasting. To be honest, there really aren't that many options open to the average AMS hobbyist. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Dec 11 15:38:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19115 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2004 23:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2004 23:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 23:38:25 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041211233823.JMD28808.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:38:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:38:23 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.28 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One example: The Radio Shack model, that apparently had a good and bad=20 version, made AMS sound awful with the bad version. Their car stereos=20 sounded very bad as well. Kraco car stereos? Horrendous. Stereo narrow=20 band: Lousy sound from two speakers. You try to explain to people that=20 AMS can make AM sound as good as FM, they listen and turn it off for=20 good. Like it or not, it bad radios ARE why AMS stopped being widely=20 available. On the other hand, listen to MONO on my FIsher tube tuner or my GE=20 Superadio, and you'll hear clear highs and a very full sound. THAT'S=20 what AM should be like. Steero models such as the Denon TU680NAB, the Carver TX11b, the=20 Sparkomatic car stereo model with the equlaizer ... those were GREAT=20 AMS receivers. If all AMS radios sounded like THOSE, IBOC would never=20 have been considered. Can IBOC sound as good as THAT? Doubtful. But I bet it CAN sound better=20 than the bad version of the TM152. Two cans and a string sound better=20 than that piece. Richard On Dec 11, 2004, at 11:38 AM, Amy Mousie wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > > On the other hand, analog AM stereo brought improvement to very > few,=A0 > > since so many AM stereo radios still sounded lousy. Yes, many > sounded=A0 > > good, but far too many were narrow band with stereo. Yuck. I'd > rather=A0 > > have wideband mono (a la GE Superadio) than lousy sounding stereo. > > And many of THOSE narrtow-sounding AMS radios were better than most > MONO AM radios. But not even most were that narrow! Certainly not the > factory-installed AMSes that Ford & Chrysler are still putting out. > > I personally have yet to hear a bad AMS radio, but I have heard > plenty of bad mono AMs. > > But does AMS benefit the non-AMS listener? Yes, but he/she never > notices it. Why? Phase. The cleaner the phase, the cleaner the > transmitted AM, which means no muddy bass or trebel.... > The casual listener will just notice their station has cleaner sound. > This is what I noticed with KFI back when I was young- The music and > announcers sounded crisper and cleaner....then I found out they were > STEREO. That old Harris AMS rig made the difference, in my opinion. :) > > When you do it right, EVERYBODY benefits. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > Get unlimited calls to > > U.S./Canada > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 11 16:22:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86210 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 00:22:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 00:22:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 00:22:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 00:22:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 00:22:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:21:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1004 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.134 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Can IBOC sound as good as THAT? Doubtful. But I bet it CAN sound > better than the bad version of the TM152. Two cans and a string > sound better than that piece. Can anyone here post a recording made from the "bad" version of the Realistic TM-152? My own TM-152 is the "good" version, and all the other ones I've heard sound fine. By no means is it the best- sounding AM Stereo tuner ever made, but considering its original list price of only $59.95, versus other AM Stereo receivers costing more than ten times as much, it is an entirely satisfactory radio -- or at least the "good" version of it is. p.s. I have noticed that my TM-152 has several changes in its circuitry, compared to the schematic originally published by Radio Shack. Perhaps this suggests that the very first production run of TM-152's were the "bad" version, and after this circuitry update, it became the "good" version. My TM-152 has a production date of "10A5", which is Radio Shack's code for October 1985. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Dec 11 16:58:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21094 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 00:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 00:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 00:58:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 91507 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2004 00:58:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=2Lofy4UO6XKYzxeRCVygvbTAtJTqyydcjl7SqYCAiYAtMqIckqVuFMIHBnjcKXvxj/+P56CREqiYXUy6KKlr4JGYEWaRrSCmhxGNv8UxQ1cFZb/M4DS4VJ6V/A5S5FuQmNu8JVIC1xRizHS75EUMaZ2e3X37G3QAyNCRAik2mg4= ; Message-ID: <20041212005842.91505.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.112] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:58:42 PST Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:58:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: LPAMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de > Cadenet > wrote: > > For once I'm looking to gain FCC certification if >> funds allow and see if I can sell some to the >>stations who have to run real low night power. LPB is in the market, but who else, and LPB is quite expensive. > > Aside from the above just what maximum power do >> you think 'hobbyists'would be prepared to pay out >>for? > > On the AM band, about 100mW is all that's allowed > for Part-15 type > acceptance. For the 160-190kHz LW, that's about 1 > watt. It varies for > shortwave, but the 13MHz window, I think, could be > greater than even > one watt- At least 3W, if I recall the approximate > math. I'd check on the SW stuff. > There are two considerations: Part 15 operations and > LPAM operations. > The former requires no authorizatrion by the > broadcaster, but the > latter does. I think LPAM is defined at less than > 100W, but I know > it's in the watt-plus range. HOWEVER, there are NO LPAM allocations in the US. There are some ex-daytimers that run flea power at night. ALSO there's the TIS / HAR market. I've seen quite a few of those well off frequency. > > Personally I don't think say a 10w AMS rig >>financially viable. Actually if the low power transmitter can take advantage of an AM exciter, however..... > > Let me know what you think. > > Check the boards at Ramsey- There have been constant > requests to make > an AMS version of their LPAM TX over the last > several years. The Ramsey AM transmitters sound absolutely horrible and do not modulate well. > People would be happy with a US$100-$500 AMS rig, > even for Part-15, > although it's the p15ers who are under such small > budgets that > they'll look for an under-$200 solution. Chris > Cuff's Alfredo Lites > always sell, even at around $130. Unfortunately, the > AL is the only > low-cost solution, and commercial equipment isn't > always designed to > work under non-commercial circumstances, so things > like exciters and > signal generators are iffy for the hobbyist. Even > used, they're still > higher than what some would warrant for personal > broadcasting. Indeed and his units are only 10 mw. > To be honest, there really aren't that many options > open to the > average AMS hobbyist. > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Unless your technical background allows you to do your own. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sat Dec 11 19:05:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51503 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 03:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 03:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 03:05:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 03:05:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 03:05:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:05:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3932 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "dbdigital2004" X-Originating-IP: 69.3.208.47 Subject: Re: LPAMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet > wrote: > > Amy, > > > > My engineer Chris has laid out the first prototype board for a PWM > > generator of a new 100w average power AM transmitter. > > > > However, we're initially trying to get to the proof of concept > stage and > > had not thought of AMS option as we're targeting the mass market. > > There is interest- God knows AMS gear sells well on eBay! But yes, > there are many who don't need AMS, or know what to do with it. > > > We're looking at any production model to be built into a 2U 19" > rack > > case with large LCD display showing all operating parameters. > > Sounds good, and sounds like it'll look pleasing. > > > FWIW we have three LP filters designed and are looking at a > frequency > > agile design with TXCO for stability and relay switched RF output > > filters. > > Stability is good. :) > > > For once I'm looking to gain FCC certification if funds allow and > see if > > I can sell some to the stations who have to run real low night > power. > > Sounds like you know the market you want to aim for. > > > When I was involved with WLYC in Williamsport I took out the LPB > (night > > TX) and replaced it with a PWM. > > > > It was the difference between chalk and cheese and doubled our > > night-time coverage. > > :D Efficiency is always a plus. :) > > > Aside from the above just what maximum power do you > think 'hobbyists' > > would be prepared to pay out for? > > On the AM band, about 100mW is all that's allowed for Part-15 type > acceptance. For the 160-190kHz LW, that's about 1 watt. It varies for > shortwave, but the 13MHz window, I think, could be greater than even > one watt- At least 3W, if I recall the approximate math. > > There are two considerations: Part 15 operations and LPAM operations. > The former requires no authorizatrion by the broadcaster, but the > latter does. I think LPAM is defined at less than 100W, but I know > it's in the watt-plus range. > > > Personally I don't think say a 10w AMS rig is financially viable. > > > > Let me know what you think. > > Check the boards at Ramsey- There have been constant requests to make > an AMS version of their LPAM TX over the last several years. > > People would be happy with a US$100-$500 AMS rig, even for Part-15, > although it's the p15ers who are under such small budgets that > they'll look for an under-$200 solution. Chris Cuff's Alfredo Lites > always sell, even at around $130. Unfortunately, the AL is the only > low-cost solution, and commercial equipment isn't always designed to > work under non-commercial circumstances, so things like exciters and > signal generators are iffy for the hobbyist. Even used, they're still > higher than what some would warrant for personal broadcasting. > > To be honest, there really aren't that many options open to the > average AMS hobbyist. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Personally, I would love to see an AMS transmitter for Part-15 use. Chris Cuff has done a tremendous job with his Alfredo-Lite. It's gotten me hooked on AM stereo. But a AMS TX engineered and built on the order of an AM Rangemaster 1000 or an AM version of the BW-TX1, something that could be used for industrial or commercial use, would be wonderful. Since the Rangemasters are very popular with part-15 broadcasters, it's obvious that they don't seem to mind the $700.00 to $900.00 price tag the transmitters command; especially since these transmitters eliminate the problem of designing and building a separate antenna, requiring only a Radio Shack whip. Think about it, Philip. BTW, I asked Keith Hamilton if he has ever considered an AMS version of the Rangemaster. He said that they had considered it but that "it is far down the list of projects." Oh, well. db From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sat Dec 11 19:27:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39174 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 03:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 03:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.189) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 03:27:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:27:10 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 69.34.95.191 by BAY22-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:26:24 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 22:26:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2004 03:27:10.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[77157710:01C4DFFA] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.189 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [69.34.95.191] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: LPAMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Carrier Current AM is better suited for AMS. I'd like to see a Rackmountable, Variable 100mw to30w AMS transmitter, and a matching line coupler. like to see broadcast type audio inputs Balanced 600 ohm. PLL Tunable from 525 to 1700KHz. AMAX Compliant. Built in metering and monitoring of all required parameters. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis (kc8gpd) Universal Life Ministries [ULC] http://www.freecycle.org http://www.part15.us I am always looking for Radio Equipment, Amateur(ham), CB, Commercial LMR (Two Way), Police Scanners and Computer equipment, Pentium to PIII Laptops and PII/III Desktops.(working or non-working) Please Contact By hitting reply if you have any of these items Thank you. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 11 20:34:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5070 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 04:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 04:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.186) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 04:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@69.105.82.250 with login) by smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 04:34:11 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c4e003$e09e2200$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:34:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.186 From: Subject: How wide? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang Yes i allso thoght that for the lower price of the TM 152 souned ok as long as you have a good signal. How wide is the TM 152 and the MCS 3050. I have seen that the 3050 is the better DXer and the TM 152 is a little briter. I use my ears no equpiment. And i am no engineer just a fan of AM STEREO. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Dec 11 23:11:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10602 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 07:11:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 07:11:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 07:11:50 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041212071149.DJII23615.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:11:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <172804A2-4C0D-11D9-869F-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:11:49 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.35 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I really, really tried to like mine, but I just could not stand the=20 sound quality. NO low end, little high end. It was awful, so I returned=20 it after trying it out for two weeks. On Dec 11, 2004, at 4:21 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > > Can IBOC sound as good as THAT? Doubtful. But I bet it CAN sound > > better than the bad version of the TM152. Two cans and a string > > sound better than that piece. > > Can anyone here post a recording made from the "bad" version of the > Realistic TM-152?=A0 My own TM-152 is the "good" version, and all the > other ones I've heard sound fine.=A0 By no means is it the best- > sounding AM Stereo tuner ever made, but considering its original list > price of only $59.95, versus other AM Stereo receivers costing more > than ten times as much, it is an entirely satisfactory radio -- or at > least the "good" version of it is. > > p.s. I have noticed that my TM-152 has several changes in its > circuitry, compared to the schematic originally published by Radio > Shack.=A0 Perhaps this suggests that the very first production run of > TM-152's were the "bad" version, and after this circuitry update, it > became the "good" version.=A0 My TM-152 has a production date of > "10A5", which is Radio Shack's code for October 1985. > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <122603_LREC_bkup_BR_Ashanti.jpg> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 12 01:06:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21220 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 09:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 09:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 09:06:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 09:06:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 09:06:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:06:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <172804A2-4C0D-11D9-869F-000D9356B656@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2317 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.126.220.99 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Well with me being po foke i took what i could get. And with the=20 old days of 15khz it souned better then now. And with any radio this=20 is true the weeker stations sounds like crap on all radios am and fm.=20 Just a radio fan more AM STEREO fan . Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > I really, really tried to like mine, but I just could not stand the=20 > sound quality. NO low end, little high end. It was awful, so I=20 returned=20 > it after trying it out for two weeks. >=20 > On Dec 11, 2004, at 4:21 PM, Kevin T. wrote: >=20 > > > > > Can IBOC sound as good as THAT? Doubtful. But I bet it CAN=20 sound > > > better than the bad version of the TM152. Two cans and a string > > > sound better than that piece. > > > > Can anyone here post a recording made from the "bad" version of=20 the > > Realistic TM-152?=A0 My own TM-152 is the "good" version, and all=20 the > > other ones I've heard sound fine.=A0 By no means is it the best- > > sounding AM Stereo tuner ever made, but considering its original=20 list > > price of only $59.95, versus other AM Stereo receivers costing=20 more > > than ten times as much, it is an entirely satisfactory radio --=20 or at > > least the "good" version of it is. > > > > p.s. I have noticed that my TM-152 has several changes in its > > circuitry, compared to the schematic originally published by=20 Radio > > Shack.=A0 Perhaps this suggests that the very first production run=20 of > > TM-152's were the "bad" version, and after this circuitry=20 update, it > > became the "good" version.=A0 My TM-152 has a production date of > > "10A5", which is Radio Shack's code for October 1985. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <122603_LREC_bkup_BR_Ashanti.jpg> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > =A0 > > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > =A0 > > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!=20 Terms of=20 > > Service. > > > >=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Dec 12 03:23:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50674 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 11:23:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 11:23:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 11:23:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 11:23:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 11:23:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:23:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 223 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 144.134.167.220 Subject: 2CA IN MONO NOW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Listening here in Frankston Melbourne with the Terk AM1000 loop and the Sony JX-220a and my good DX reception of 2CA gives no pilot light tonite :-( What's going on ?! Anyone got a contact phone number for the station ? From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Dec 12 08:49:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 65650 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 16:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:17 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16046 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 05:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 05:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 05:10:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 05:10:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 05:10:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 05:10:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 972 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.28 Subject: {AMSF} Re: LPAMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > Carrier Current AM is better suited for AMS. I'd like to see a > Rackmountable, Variable 100mw to30w AMS transmitter, and a matching line > coupler. like to see broadcast type audio inputs Balanced 600 ohm. > PLL Tunable from 525 to 1700KHz. AMAX Compliant. Built in metering and > monitoring of all required parameters. As far as I know (and I could be wrong, here) AMAX compliance is only on the receiver end, but what you want is NRSC compliance. :) I could easily see a professional-grade AMS mini-TX goingt for $1k, but it would be nice to see a semi-pro design that works with more common inputs. Me, I would love to have an AMS exciter/signal generator/mini-TX, if I could afford it, even used. However, my own preference would be to have SW capability- I would like to work 3MHz or higher, finding unused frequencies, but stay Part-15-legal. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Dec 12 08:49:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 39520 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 16:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 16:47:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 16:47:59 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80387 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 04:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 04:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 04:19:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 04:19:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 04:19:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 04:19:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4607 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.28 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Dec 2004 16:47:34 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > One example: The Radio Shack model, that apparently had a good and bad > version, made AMS sound awful with the bad version. Their car stereos > sounded very bad as well. Kraco car stereos? Horrendous. Stereo narrow > band: Lousy sound from two speakers. You try to explain to people that > AMS can make AM sound as good as FM, they listen and turn it off for > good. Like it or not, it bad radios ARE why AMS stopped being widely > available. I have one of the good TM-152s. As for Kracos, I don't think Kraco ever really made a good radio, period. But the worst AMS I have listened to is my Aiwa '805 digital, which sound like it rolls off at 5 or 6kHz. Even the SRF-42 was a bit better. Too bad my '42 got smashed. :( My modified SW radio had distortion, I guess you could say that was even worse than the Aiwa. It certainly could go for an overhaul, or a cannibalization, and transplant the AMS board to a new radio. (The radio is dying, so I haven't used it as much.) Then there was the old 'A100, which was destroyed in the triple quakes- Only complaint I had with that was the negative-mod thudding, really noticable on the bass. Yeah, I've been surrounded by AMS radios. Even in a Lincoln rental, with the horrible blend-to-mono, at least the AM was clear. > On the other hand, listen to MONO on my FIsher tube tuner or my GE > Superadio, and you'll hear clear highs and a very full sound. THAT'S > what AM should be like. But of course. I never said the best mono AM was worse than the worst stereo- It really depends on the care taken in design and manufacture to get the best out, regardless whether mono or stereo. I personally believe muddy AM sections were designed that way out of expectation, and didn't require any further care. Thje newer wideband cheapies take it even further by scrapping the expectations of muddy audio, and just build cheap, regardless of sensitivity or selectivity. So, how will IBOC be? To be honest, once they start designing for mid- to-low-range receivers, alot of the precautions will go ouyt the window, just for the bottom line-- Just as it hjas always been. You wanna say AM is bad-sounding? Well, it's only as bad-sounding as you let it be. It's just a lucky thing that those of us into AMS have been fortunate about experiencing AM stereo on better-than-usual equipment. Even the most successful AMS radio, the '42, was an affordable winner compared to many of its contemporaries. A good AM section CAN BE DONE INEXPENSIVELY! But more importantly, IT CAN BE DONE! This dispells the oft-quoted myth of bad AM is just based on expectation, not reality. And God knows I've heard my share of bad AMs, all designed under these expectations. And I repeat: I still can't see the justification of IBOC when we KNOW it can be done better, and with far less expense. > Steero models such as the Denon TU680NAB, the Carver TX11b, the > Sparkomatic car stereo model with the equlaizer ... those were GREAT > AMS receivers. If all AMS radios sounded like THOSE, IBOC would never > have been considered. If designers built with higher expectations, industry-wide, I would agree with you. > Can IBOC sound as good as THAT? Doubtful. But I bet it CAN sound better > than the bad version of the TM152. Two cans and a string sound better > than that piece. Oh, surely the worst of IBOC will sound better than the worst AM, I have no doubt of that. Even the bad samples I've heard agree with that. IBOC's ability to PERFORM, however, under the real-world circumstances that routinely plague the mediumwave band (one of the noisier RF bands, it another issue. Even the most robust digital system is not as robust as analog under RFI conditions. At least even with noise, you'll still get an intelligable signal. The current IBOC scheme falls back on ANALOG when the digital poops out, which is not a true comparison of the robustness of digital. Remember that NZ site of DRM samples? DRM is more robust than IBOC, but when it craps out, it does so spectacularly. Error correction only can go so far. But IBOC really isn't suitable for AM, and neither is DRM. At least the hobbyist can experiment with DRM, though. This gives DRM a plus. Other than that, neither system is really listener-friendly. IBOC would have never flown 20 years ago, considering how the FCC dealt with Harris back then. But today's FCC doesn't have the public interest in mind. Michael Powell can go to Hell, for all I care. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Dec 12 08:49:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13799 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 16:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 16:48:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 16:48:49 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60504 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 04:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 04:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 04:31:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 04:31:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 04:31:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 04:31:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1859 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.28 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Dec 2004 16:48:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > Can IBOC sound as good as THAT? Doubtful. But I bet it CAN sound > > better than the bad version of the TM152. Two cans and a string > > sound better than that piece. > > Can anyone here post a recording made from the "bad" version of the > Realistic TM-152? My own TM-152 is the "good" version, and all the > other ones I've heard sound fine. By no means is it the best- > sounding AM Stereo tuner ever made, but considering its original list > price of only $59.95, versus other AM Stereo receivers costing more > than ten times as much, it is an entirely satisfactory radio -- or at > least the "good" version of it is. Back in the days, I don't recall too many more than $300. My 'A100 was $75 when I got it. It probably didn't cost more than $120, and even then, was still cheaper than some of my SW radios (and THOSE weren't high-end). Compare AMS to the CD, price-wise, or VHS HiFi, of the time. Most AMS radios of the time were comparative bargains. (My first CD player cost $700. My first VHS HiFi deck was also $700. All were bought within 2 years of each other.) > p.s. I have noticed that my TM-152 has several changes in its > circuitry, compared to the schematic originally published by Radio > Shack. Perhaps this suggests that the very first production run of > TM-152's were the "bad" version, and after this circuitry update, it > became the "good" version. My TM-152 has a production date of > "10A5", which is Radio Shack's code for October 1985. This is normal for most radios- My 'A100 was a two-board job, not the one-board schematic they did publish. I can't remember if the first TM-152s were from Korea or Taiwan-- The later ones were the other, and sounded much better. Mine also is very good sounding. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Dec 12 08:49:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 43064 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 16:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:44 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71697 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 04:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 04:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 04:54:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 04:54:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 04:54:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 04:54:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041212005842.91505.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1605 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.28 Subject: Re: LPAMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > > Let me know what you think. > > > > Check the boards at Ramsey- There have been constant > > requests to make > > an AMS version of their LPAM TX over the last > > several years. > > The Ramsey AM transmitters sound absolutely horrible > and do not modulate well. Quite true. I wouldn't even buy a Ramsey SCA demodulator that's more expensive than the RadioSCA one, simply because Ramsey does have quality issues and are overpriced... =sigh= Gone are the days of Heathkits! > > People would be happy with a US$100-$500 AMS rig, > > even for Part-15, > > although it's the p15ers who are under such small > > budgets that > > they'll look for an under-$200 solution. Chris > > Cuff's Alfredo Lites > > always sell, even at around $130. Unfortunately, the > > AL is the only > > low-cost solution, and commercial equipment isn't > > always designed to > > work under non-commercial circumstances, so things > > like exciters and > > signal generators are iffy for the hobbyist. Even > > used, they're still > > higher than what some would warrant for personal > > broadcasting. > > Indeed and his units are only 10 mw. Yup- And people are STILL getting out there with that little. :) A good tuned antenna and ground system works wonders. :) > > To be honest, there really aren't that many options > > open to the > > average AMS hobbyist. > > Unless your technical background allows you to do your > own. As you know, I've been trying to encourage just that for some time. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Dec 12 08:49:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53343 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 16:49:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:46 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64876 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 12:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 12:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 12:05:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 12:05:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 12:05:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:04:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 584 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.28 Subject: Re: 2CA IN MONO NOW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > Listening here in Frankston Melbourne with the Terk AM1000 loop and > the Sony JX-220a and my good DX reception of 2CA gives no pilot light > tonite :-( > > What's going on ?! Anyone got a contact phone number for the station ? Most likely backup TX for TX maintenance, being it's Sunday night in Melbourne as you posted this. :) In most places, most TX maintenance is done on Sunday nights. :) It's just more noticable, especially when the backup is not always an AMS transmitter. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Dec 12 08:50:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68657 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 16:50:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 16:50:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 16:50:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:59 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14792 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 06:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 06:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 06:10:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 06:10:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 06:10:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 06:10:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1618 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.28 Subject: Designing an AMS transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Dec 2004 16:49:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 Although there have been several hobbyist-designed AMS radios, there have been few attempts to design an AM stereo transmitter outside of commercial efforts, like Motorola, Delta, Harris, BE, etc. But only 2 or 3 attempts by hobbyists. The Alfredo Lite is one such design. There is also at least one hobbyist-designed ISB TX currently running at a station back east. But there needs to be more options- Designs that could be done relatively inexpensively with the least amount of specialty parts. At the very least, a modified QuAM (pseudo-C-QUAM) is possible, as long as there is understanding of phased AM, especially quadrature AM. Add in limiters (especially a negative-modulation limiter) and work on the cosine issue, and you got something. Next in, a matrix circuit to output the L+R and L-R appropriately. If you're going to add level indicators, at the very least, monitor the L+R and L-R levels. (L-R should never exceed parity with L+R.) Aside from frequency alignment, phase alignment and mudulation alighnments, I don't know what else is really needed for the transmitter end. It would be nice if a budget-minded AMS-suitable audio processor be designed, too, especiall;y to control the matrix levels. The final goal in all this is to keep it under budget, as the design needs to be for the hobbyist who may not have that much money to spend. I think, minus computer, mixing board and decent mic, it should be possible to design such a setup under $500. The rest can be had very cheaply. Unfortunately, not everyone has an osciliscope or soldering tools handy. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From cbreton27@hotmail.com Sun Dec 12 09:11:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22605 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 17:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 17:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.62) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 17:11:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:10:22 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 69.157.139.195 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:09:32 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:09:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2004 17:10:22.0678 (UTC) FILETIME=[770F8760:01C4E06D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.62 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.139.195] Subject: difference between wm-f16 and sfr a-1 (sony am stereo walkman) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi gang ! I'v just won on e-bay the sony wm-f16 and i would like to know which one is the better ? Thanks for the answer Chris From dav259@csiro.au Sun Dec 12 14:17:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13764 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 22:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 22:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au) (150.229.64.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 22:17:18 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (138.194.10.10) by vic-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2004 09:17:17 +1100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.87,137,1099227600"; d="scan'208"; a="16602879:sNHT19675472" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBCMHGfI028536 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:17:17 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:17:16 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 150.229.64.38 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2CA IN MONO NOW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Dave wrote: > > Listening here in Frankston Melbourne with the Terk AM1000 loop and > the Sony JX-220a and my good DX reception of 2CA gives no pilot light > tonite :-( > > What's going on ?! Anyone got a contact phone number for the station > ? Hi Dave The techies seem to be all out at the moment - they look after about five radio stations' transmissions in the ACT and NSW. The receptionist blamed the stormy weather. (She's nice but about as technical as I am). She said there's no talk of cutting the stereo. The chief engineer is Anthony Jobson. He'll be back on deck tomorrow. 02 - 6242 1053 Ian - Melbourne From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sun Dec 12 14:26:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16040 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 22:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 22:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.173) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 22:26:18 -0000 Received: from user-8139.l5.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk ([84.65.95.203] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CdcAQ-0002pJ-Bd for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:26:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:24:52 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.195.173 From: Philip de Cadenet Reply-To: phil@transmittersrus.com Subject: Delco X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man I came across an interesting page while surfing. Thought it may be of interest to some: http://mnrelectronics.com/delcomcascd.html Now which of our learned crew can tell me if there is a particular model with AMS as standard, will fit a 99 Suburban and can tune in European 9KHz steps? Covering the US expanded band would be a bonus. Maybe I'm asking too much and I'll have to stick to my Becker. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From cbreton27@hotmail.com Sun Dec 12 14:29:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98728 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 22:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 22:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.57) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 22:29:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:29:12 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 69.157.139.195 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:28:21 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cbreton27@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cbreton27@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:28:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2004 22:29:12.0431 (UTC) FILETIME=[01482FF0:01C4E09A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.57 From: "christian breton" X-Originating-IP: [69.157.139.195] Subject: difference between sony WM F-16 AND SRF-A1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179376677 X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbret1973 Hi gang !! I'll try to make it a little more clear... i just bought on e-bay a wm-f16 and i would like to know if the SRF-A1 is better on quality. Thanks for the feedback !! Chris From brucec@mindspring.com Sun Dec 12 14:39:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80138 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 22:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 22:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 22:39:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 22:39:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 22:39:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:39:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 997 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.252.248.160 Subject: Re: difference between wm-f16 and sfr a-1 (sony am stereo walkman) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > I'v just won on e-bay the sony wm-f16 and i would like to know which one is > the better ? I only own the SRF-A1. All I know is that I put it in my car for my latest road trip. I also put in a small loop antenna. I was going to see if canyon walls caused reflections and platform motion - which will be pretty darned important for IBOC as well as C-Quam. It turns out there are no reflections at AM wavelengths - it only plagues FM. Or - the surfaces need to be extraordinarily reflective like Manhattan like Tom has reported. Anyway - I expected the SRF-A1 to get nothing by itself 290 miles out, I was sure it would need the loop. But it sprang to life, getting 620, 770, and 820 with only the internal antenna. The loop brought in each in clear stereo. It was in the good old days before 770 got "littlejohned" - to coin a new term. Of course 770 had lots of platform motion from co-channel KKOB - but the SRF-A1 is a hot little DX unit. No GE SR-3, but sensitive. From brucec@mindspring.com Sun Dec 12 14:42:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97462 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 22:42:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 22:42:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 22:42:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 22:42:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2004 22:42:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:42:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 116 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.252.248.160 Subject: TM-152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Mine does very well with a two foot loop - second adjacents are no problem. Of course loops are great equalizers. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Dec 12 15:02:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60574 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 23:02:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 23:02:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 23:02:21 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.38.230]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:02:15 -0700 Message-ID: <00a601c4e09f$209b7f60$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:05:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2004 23:02:16.0919 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0210670:01C4E09E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Trouble is, Bruce, when these standards were proposed we had no idea this would be on the horizon. It's hard to prepare for something you don't see coming- much like a deer jumping out right in front of your car, but I understand your feelings. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Carter" > In a way, we allowed this to happen to ourselves. When the FCC was > proposing spectrum allocations to AM stations, nobody really thought > through what would happen if somebody pushed the spectrum to its > absolute limit. The time to speak up was then - and if the spectrum > allocations for AM (and FM) had been made brick walls, with no room > for this type of sideband abuse, then we would never have had AM > IBOC in its present form. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Dec 12 15:03:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89068 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 23:03:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 23:03:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 23:03:42 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.38.230]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:03:40 -0700 Message-ID: <00aa01c4e09f$53301b20$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:07:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2004 23:03:41.0766 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2B3A660:01C4E09E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Boston Acoustics is coming out with a home HD radio for only $299, early next year, so prices are coming down. Don't know how soon we'll see them in the $50 range, but I remember just a few years ago I wouldn't have dreamed of seeing a DVD player for that, either. As to your assertion that retirees wouldn't be the most likely Bose customers, Cadillacs certainly are, so why not the Bose radios? Just trying to be realistic, not pro-IBOC. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas" > You can't be serious, Tom. Retail on a Bose Wave Radio is $499. The > Adult Standards crowd (most with fixed incomes), aren't likely > sporting Wave Radios. > > Of course, compared to an HD Radio, $499 may indeed be a bargain. > From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Dec 12 15:06:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68914 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 23:06:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 23:06:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 23:06:14 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.38.230]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:06:05 -0700 Message-ID: <00b201c4e09f$aaa9e7a0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:09:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2004 23:06:08.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A275860:01C4E09F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC - new tactic. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude OOOoooo- malicious obedience! I like the idea [sinister grin.] Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Carter" > Bring IBOC on, let's saturate the band with > interference as quickly as possible, and let the public decide if > its an "improvement". Right now, we are voices crying out in the > wilderness, and easily marginalized as kooks resisting the > advancement of radio. We need numbers among our supporters, and > IBOC shortcomings right in the public's face may be the only way to > get them. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Dec 12 15:07:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77750 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 23:07:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 23:07:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 23:07:46 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.38.230]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:07:40 -0700 Message-ID: <00b501c4e09f$e35d9740$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:10:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2004 23:07:43.0668 (UTC) FILETIME=[62E2F740:01C4E09F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Avalability of Low Power AM Stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude How many different designs does there need to be? If there were some way to beef up the output for a full 100mW the AL would be plenty affordable as it is. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" To: Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 12:20 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Avalability of Low Power AM Stereo transmitters > > > > It's a shame there are no otrher Part-15/LPAM AMS transmitters other > than the Alfredo/Alfredo Lite designs, and those only being hand-made > by a couple. Only other probable way is an exciter or AMS signal > generator. > > We really need more AMS transmitter options for the casual, budget- > minded AMS hobbyist. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Dec 12 15:21:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67912 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 23:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 23:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 23:21:05 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.38.230]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:21:03 -0700 Message-ID: <00b901c4e0a1$c09715e0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20041211062016.62765.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:24:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2004 23:21:04.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[4003E4D0:01C4E0A1] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That reminds me- one of our long term sponsors at our radio stations is Miller Chevrolet. I wonder if they've gotten any complaints from our listeners as to how bad the radios sound even for a talk station. If they have, I wonder how much pull they'd have with GM for better radios? Might be time for some for some investigation. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- > I went with a friend of mine to work on an upstate SC > radio station and he rented a current model Chevy > Cavalier. The AM section is just BEYOND unpleasant to > listen to. No you aren't going to hear the difference > between 5 kilohertz and whatever else. The radio is so > restricted it's just plain distracting to listen to AM > with. No, it's a serious SAFETY hazard as you have to > pay close attention to what's being said. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Dec 12 15:29:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50013 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 23:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2004 23:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 23:29:29 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.38.230]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:29:27 -0700 Message-ID: <00c101c4e0a2$ed395da0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:32:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2004 23:29:28.0463 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C9AE1F0:01C4E0A2] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} LPAMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The only potential bug in this is with such a low power, would you be able to implement it with a polyphase PDM? If not, you're going to have spurs at the carrier +/- the switching frequency. Not that they carry a great long ways, but not having them in the first place is one less way to keep yourself below the FCC's radar. As for making it AM stereo capable, the interstage resonant circuits (if used) will determine whether it will pass a stereo signal or not. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip de Cadenet" > My engineer Chris has laid out the first prototype board for a PWM > generator of a new 100w average power AM transmitter. > > However, we're initially trying to get to the proof of concept stage and > had not thought of AMS option as we're targeting the mass market. > > We're looking at any production model to be built into a 2U 19" rack > case with large LCD display showing all operating parameters. > > FWIW we have three LP filters designed and are looking at a frequency > agile design with TXCO for stability and relay switched RF output > filters. > From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 12 18:01:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54495 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 02:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 02:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52401.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.109) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 02:01:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 65406 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2004 02:01:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=QYqxn08XAdBQ2rQBeTSRGouqgC0tyjmTlzWq9PxsG86bWvctiMHG0wSo5IX4W4FGWVeZSsaW5J8iCX+E2gaXZMtX1FIBP+I1PCk/nf1Z8cfJQ8spce7KBJvJLZ6+0VVaAwQ+YqatCF03vnIt/YAIDXJ/3JMoHdJTFISvpT9gPtY= ; Message-ID: <20041213020111.65404.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.112] by web52401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:01:11 PST Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:01:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.109 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: LPAMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: >> --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert > P. Chrysafis" > wrote: > > Carrier Current AM is better suited for AMS. I'd > like to see a > > Rackmountable, Variable 100mw to30w AMS > transmitter, and a matching > line > > coupler. like to see broadcast type audio inputs > Balanced 600 ohm. > > PLL Tunable from 525 to 1700KHz. AMAX Compliant. > Built in metering > and > > monitoring of all required parameters. > As far as I know (and I could be wrong, here) AMAX > compliance is only > on the receiver end, but what you want is NRSC > compliance. :) And you want NRSC compliance in the AUDIO PROCESSOR and not the TRANSMITTER! > I could easily see a professional-grade AMS mini-TX > goingt for $1k, > but it would be nice to see a semi-pro design that > works with more > common inputs. Indeed. > Me, I would love to have an AMS exciter/signal > generator/mini-TX, if > I could afford it, even used. However, my own > preference would be to > have SW capability- I would like to work 3MHz or > higher, finding > unused frequencies, but stay Part-15-legal. > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I don't think any SW frequencies come under part 15 except for that small 13 megahertz one with VERY low power but I could be mistaken. It takes ONLY milliwatts to get out on SW. Powell W4OPW ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 12 18:05:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91348 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 02:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 02:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52404.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.112) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 02:05:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 14906 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2004 02:05:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=VqmKMrF91OjOKZVGuX/2DFjQ+LfGWCwsOT7kh/MMJ7E2WNgfme88sOVuQbThlV2XUCEtbjkHcUH7k7LJiUxIJdjGC9i8Bs1YW+rRktKOTUzFLJLidlo9JOO+ki+xHTLPNUVxjlSiX7GjQiFEDN02KO6UMkwJ8jApiYhUVwod10g= ; Message-ID: <20041213020528.14904.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.112] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:05:28 PST Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:05:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00aa01c4e09f$53301b20$d503fea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.112 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > Boston Acoustics is coming out with a home HD radio > for only $299, early > next year, so prices are coming down. Don't know > how soon we'll see them in > the $50 range, but I remember just a few years ago I > wouldn't have dreamed > of seeing a DVD player for that, either. As to your > assertion that retirees > wouldn't be the most likely Bose customers, > Cadillacs certainly are, so why > not the Bose radios? Just trying to be realistic, > not pro-IBOC. > Scott Todd Well if it is a HD version of the BA Receptor, the analog version goes for around $160! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sun Dec 12 18:59:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27509 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 02:59:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 02:59:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.197) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 02:59:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:59:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 69.34.95.191 by BAY22-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:58:21 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: <20041213020111.65404.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:58:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2004 02:59:00.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2260CF0:01C4E0BF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.197 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [69.34.95.191] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: LPAMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd the way it was explained to me NRSC Compliance is the entire system from processor to transmitter to antenna system. they all need to be NRSC compliant. not just processing. AMAX i thought was a different spec from NRSC, AMAX had more to do with processing and transmitted bandwidth in the transmisssion facility and also spec's for the receiving end equipment. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis (kc8gpd) Universal Life Ministries [ULC] http://www.freecycle.org http://www.part15.us From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Dec 12 21:10:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69105 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 05:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 05:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 05:10:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 05:10:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 05:10:09 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92662 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 02:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 02:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 02:28:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 02:28:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 02:28:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:28:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b501c4e09f$e35d9740$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1829 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.115 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Avalability of Low Power AM Stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Dec 2004 05:10:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > How many different designs does there need to be? If there were some way to > beef up the output for a full 100mW the AL would be plenty affordable as it > is. One concern is the use of hard-to-get esoteric parts. Secondly, even the commercial exciters and generators aren't of just one design. Thirdly, I have yet to see a definitive AL design, although Chris has one. It already differs considerably (and improved upon) from Alfredo's own transmitter design, and not just by losing the audio processor. Keep in mind there is not one way to achieve C-QUAM, as one could alternatively do it by phase modulation or pure QuAM, or even a mix of the two, to achieve the desired results. A pure QuAM basis would probably be the easiest, with additional modification to become a pseudo-compatible QuAM as just such an alternative. I know of only a couple others who built their own AL variations, but only the original Alfredo design is still out there. A couple others have designed and built their own designs- One keeping the design to themselves for commercial purposes; the other made an ISB transmitter that could be modified for pseudo-C-QUAM. As far as I know, that's the only other AMS TX design online. And still one other has made a Magnavox or RCA/Belar-type exciter that gives a reasonable C-QUAM performance, but those designs aren't online, either. One is at work on a QuAM design, as far as I know. We'll see. When all else fails, just leave AMS a mystery and buy professional/commercial AMS gear as cheaply as you can....if you can. Do you see where I'm gettingt at? For the AMS technolkogy to survive, the information on how to achieve it should be as publicly-accessable as possible, or it dies. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Dec 12 21:10:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70705 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 05:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 05:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 05:10:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 05:10:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 05:10:43 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13529 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 02:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 02:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 02:44:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 02:44:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 02:44:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:44:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041213020111.65404.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2614 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.115 Subject: {AMSF} Re: LPAMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Dec 2004 05:10:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > > As far as I know (and I could be wrong, here) AMAX > > compliance is only > > on the receiver end, but what you want is NRSC > > compliance. :) > > And you want NRSC compliance in the AUDIO PROCESSOR > and not the TRANSMITTER! Mostly true, but you could instrall a simple pre-emph/rolloff circuit after the audio inputs. > > Me, I would love to have an AMS exciter/signal > > generator/mini-TX, if > > I could afford it, even used. However, my own > > preference would be to > > have SW capability- I would like to work 3MHz or > > higher, finding > > unused frequencies, but stay Part-15-legal. > > I don't think any SW frequencies come under part 15 > except for that small 13 megahertz one with VERY low > power but I could be mistaken. It takes ONLY > milliwatts to get out on SW. Of importance: * 15.223 Operation in the band 1.705 - 10 MHz. (a) The field strength of any emission within the band 1.705-10.0 MHz shall not exceed 100 microvolts/meter at a distance of 30 meters. However, if the bandwidth of the emission is less than 10% of the center frequency, the field strength shall not exceed 15 microvolts/meter or (the bandwidth of the device in kHz) divided by (the center frequency of the device in MHz) microvolts/meter at a distance of 30 meters, whichever is the higher level. For the purposes of this Section, bandwidth is determined at the points 6 dB down from the modulated carrier. The emission limits in this paragraph are based on measurement instrumentation employing an average detector. The provisions in Section 15.35(b) for limiting peak emissions apply. (b) The field strength of emissions outside of the band 1.705-10.0 MHz shall not exceed the general radiated emission limits in Section 15.209. * 15.225 Operation within the band 13.553 - 13.567 MHz. (a) The field strength of any emissions within this band shall not exceed 10,000 microvolts/meter at 30 meters. (b) The field strength of any emissions appearing outside of this band shall not exceed the general radiated emission limits shown in Section 15.209. (c) The frequency tolerance of the carrier signal shall be maintained within +0.01% of the operating frequency over a temperature variation of -20 degrees to +50 degrees C at normal supply voltage, and for a variation in the primary supply voltage from 85% to 115% of the rated supply voltage at a temperature of 20 degrees C. For battery operated equipment, the equipment tests shall be performed using a new battery. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Dec 12 21:11:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13431 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 05:11:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 05:11:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 05:11:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 05:11:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 05:11:14 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49398 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 03:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 03:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 03:10:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 03:09:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 03:09:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 03:09:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 696 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.115 Subject: {AMSF} Re: LPAMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Dec 2004 05:10:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > the way it was explained to me NRSC Compliance is the entire system from > processor to transmitter to antenna system. they all need to be NRSC > compliant. not just processing. AMAX i thought was a different spec from > NRSC, AMAX had more to do with processing and transmitted bandwidth in the > transmisssion facility and also spec's for the receiving end equipment. From NRSC's homepage, at http://www.nrscstandards.org/ : http://www.nrscstandards.org/Standards/nrsc-1.pdf http://www.nrscstandards.org/Standards/nrsc-2.pdf http://www.nrscstandards.org/Standards/nrsc-3.pdf Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 12 21:19:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82946 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 05:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 05:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 05:19:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 05:19:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 05:19:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:19:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b501c4e09f$e35d9740$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 785 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 65.229.232.227 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Avalability of Low Power AM Stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > How many different designs does there need to be? If there were > some way to beef up the output for a full 100mW the AL would be > plenty affordable as it is. There _is_ some way -- just install more powerful output transistors. I believe the standard "Alfredo Lite" uses a pair of 2N222's, which are not really designed for high output gain. However, these can be easily swapped for better transistors, with little or no changes needed to the rest of the circuitry. It also helps if you cut the power source to the output transistors and feed them with a higher voltage supply, so that you can run the output transistors at 12V or 15V or whatever voltage you want, while keeping the rest of the Alfredo Lite running at or below 9 volts so that the IC's don't burn out. From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Dec 12 21:50:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8621 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 05:50:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 05:50:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 05:50:04 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBD5o1kN018600 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:50:02 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBD5nCsW009238 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:49:13 +1100 Received: from ausym000.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBD5nCbS009219 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:49:12 +1100 Received: by ausym000.apac.corp.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:49:12 +1100 Message-ID: <1A3B6CF82D867E4DA14E074DE01D1728233C7F@aubwm208.apac.corp.eds.com> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:49:04 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Avalability of Low Power AM Stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Of course the best way to ensure AM Stereo survives is for a budding software engineer to write an open source DSP based transmitter, like we have started to see recently for DRM (eg DREAM) A software based AM Stereo transmitter would be fairly easy to implement. Here's an article on how a DSP based transmitter works: http://www.eet.com/article/showArticle.jhtml?articleId=29100658 The problem is providing the incentive for someone to spend the time to do it. Harris have already designed DSP based AM Transmitters (the DAX series), however they do not provide AM Stereo as an option, although I am sure it would be trivial to code and implement. Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 12:29 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Avalability of Low Power AM Stereo transmitters --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > How many different designs does there need to be? If there were some way to > beef up the output for a full 100mW the AL would be plenty affordable as it > is. One concern is the use of hard-to-get esoteric parts. Secondly, even the commercial exciters and generators aren't of just one design. Thirdly, I have yet to see a definitive AL design, although Chris has one. It already differs considerably (and improved upon) from Alfredo's own transmitter design, and not just by losing the audio processor. Keep in mind there is not one way to achieve C-QUAM, as one could alternatively do it by phase modulation or pure QuAM, or even a mix of the two, to achieve the desired results. A pure QuAM basis would probably be the easiest, with additional modification to become a pseudo-compatible QuAM as just such an alternative. I know of only a couple others who built their own AL variations, but only the original Alfredo design is still out there. A couple others have designed and built their own designs- One keeping the design to themselves for commercial purposes; the other made an ISB transmitter that could be modified for pseudo-C-QUAM. As far as I know, that's the only other AMS TX design online. And still one other has made a Magnavox or RCA/Belar-type exciter that gives a reasonable C-QUAM performance, but those designs aren't online, either. One is at work on a QuAM design, as far as I know. We'll see. When all else fails, just leave AMS a mystery and buy professional/commercial AMS gear as cheaply as you can....if you can. Do you see where I'm gettingt at? For the AMS technolkogy to survive, the information on how to achieve it should be as publicly-accessable as possible, or it dies. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Tired of hearing the same songs over and over? Listen to Internet Radio! Skip songs. Click to listen to LAUNCHcast! http://us.click.yahoo.com/.mKGzA/HARHAA/kkyPAA/CPMolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Mon Dec 13 00:29:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93842 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 08:29:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 08:29:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.173) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 08:29:11 -0000 Received: from user-1468.l5.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk ([84.66.5.188] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CdlZX-0006z0-NS for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:28:47 +0000 Message-ID: <6C8Q9ADAKVvBFwQr@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:27:44 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.195.173 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: LPAMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Scott, Chris, my engineer (previously employed as project leader at Nokia designing synths) has taken Steve Coultiers 'simple' PWM design from his site at: http://www.classeradio.com/pdm_article_solid_state.html as a starting point including the obligatory on-board pre-sets for both negative and positive peak mod. Steve offers both single and two-phase (is that the same as polyphase?). Are you suggesting to stick to the two-phase design principles? Powell, Ah yes, NRSC compliance. Even though compliant transmitters have this on the audio input section the common route is to by-pass this and let one's external processing chain do all the work. Am I correct? However, one still needs NRSC compliant filtering 'on-board'. Any NRSC simple pre-emph/rolloff circuit's on the web that you people can point us to? -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Dec 13 04:30:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17092 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 12:30:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 12:30:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 12:30:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 12:30:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 12:30:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:29:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 818 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 144.134.167.145 Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2CA IN MONO NOW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Dave wrote: > > > > > Listening here in Frankston Melbourne with the Terk AM1000 loop and > > the Sony JX-220a and my good DX reception of 2CA gives no pilot light > > tonite :-( > > > > What's going on ?! Anyone got a contact phone number for the station > > ? > > > Hi Dave > > The techies seem to be all out at the moment - they look after about five > radio stations' transmissions in the ACT and NSW. > > The receptionist blamed the stormy weather. (She's nice but about as > technical as I am). She said there's no talk of cutting the stereo. > > The chief engineer is Anthony Jobson. He'll be back on deck tomorrow. > > 02 - 6242 1053 > > Thanks for the info Ian! still mono tonight I notice From kya1260@lycos.com Mon Dec 13 07:32:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96961 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 15:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 15:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 15:32:36 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id B08341800235 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:32:35 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 13 Dec 2004 15:32:35 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5F9E386B0E; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:32:35 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 07:32:35 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 07:32:35 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20041213153235.5F9E386B0E@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Jay Arnold" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.95.242 Subject: Marantz Car AM Stereo Radio inquiry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > But the worst AMS I have listened to is my Aiwa '805 digital, which > sound like it rolls off at 5 or 6kHz. Even the SRF-42 was a bit > better. Too bad my '42 got smashed. :( My modified SW radio had > distortion, I guess you could say that was even worse than the Aiwa. > It certainly could go for an overhaul, or a cannibalization, and > transplant the AMS board to a new radio. (The radio is dying, so I > haven't used it as much.) >=20 > Then there was the old 'A100, which was destroyed in the triple > quakes- Only complaint I had with that was the negative-mod thudding, > really noticable on the bass. >=20 > Yeah, I've been surrounded by AMS radios. Though not surrounded by as many AMS radios as you and likely the others, Amy, the most fun I had with an AMS radio was also, interestingly, one of the worst-sounding - the Marantz Car AM Stereo I bought in 1991 at an audio outlet whose name I've long forgotten=20 (I don't remember the model number now; I only had it for 3 years because it wasn't built to last through the manic push-button usage; no knobs, just push-buttons galore). What was so interesting about the Marantz Car AM Stereo for the car=20 was one particular "bell and whistle": a signal-strength meter that=20 showed the left- and right-channel output...was especially fun=20 listening to KFRC Oldies when it C-QUAM AM Stereo in the mid-1990s=20 and watching the channels with its differing "bouncy" levels. Like watching= two psuedo digital "VU" meters... Can someone please refresh my memory with the model number of that Marantz = car stereo?=20 It had an LCD readout with orange numerals/symbols/etc... --Jay What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > Also on KVON AM Stereo 1440! --=20 _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From link_s86@yahoo.com Mon Dec 13 08:07:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: link_s86@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94305 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 16:07:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 16:07:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 16:07:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 16:07:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 16:07:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:07:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 400 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "link_s86" X-Originating-IP: 152.67.121.33 Subject: target $20 Emerson table radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182920769 X-Yahoo-Profile: link_s86 Anyone have any experience with this radio? http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/ref=3430811_bxgy_cc_img_b/602- 2358942-1815034?asin=B0002DG0YK I picked one up at Target Recently. I could not help myself. I've been watching it for at least the last year. I think it was originally at least $40 I think. It seems like it would be a pretty cool system to use as speakers for my Computer also. From tomray@wor710.com Mon Dec 13 10:29:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30255 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 18:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 18:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 18:29:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 18:29:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 18:29:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:29:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 806 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > > << and maybe you will be taken seriously. >> > > And I'm supposed to take a corporate pawn such as yourself seriously, > Tom? > I should keep things "more civil". After your personal attack above?? I am stating a fact that I have repeated here ad nauseum. You want to make your point heard, you provide the facts and present them in a professional manner. While it's nice you use a $15K Pro Tools setup, you never answered my question regarding the audio card you are using. You could be running it on a sound blaster for all I know. And I'll put my ears up against yours any day of the week. I've set up more processing chains at successful stations around the country than you could ever dream of. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Dec 13 10:35:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66927 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 18:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 18:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 18:35:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 18:33:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 18:33:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:33:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1221 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > > << Crawford has obviously determined that their typical listener is > most likely using a Bose. >> > > You can't be serious, Tom. Retail on a Bose Wave Radio is $499. The > Adult Standards crowd (most with fixed incomes), aren't likely > sporting Wave Radios. > > Of course, compared to an HD Radio, $499 may indeed be a bargain. > > There's corporate reasoning for ya. Again with the personal attacks. I can tell you with certainty that, through advertising on WOR and other stations, Bose sells hundreds of that radio to NYC market listeners. Unless you analyze the ratings, which is something you should know working in a top 5 market, you can come up with a fairly accurate profile of the average listener for your station. I've worked at stations where our standard was a stock Delco radio in a Chevy Celebrity...and others where the standard was a top of the line Carver tuner using JBL speakers. You set up your audio chain for the average listener. There is a reason Crawford chose the Bose as their standard. And I'll bet it has something to do with their average listener according to their research. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Dec 13 10:36:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4564 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 18:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 18:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 18:36:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 18:36:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 18:36:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:35:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 421 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > Yes - but Tom, what about the crop of new radio designs that use one > ceramic filter? I ran down the line of radios in Best Buy the other > day just for the heck of it- every single one broadband! Bruce: do you have a couple of specific models you looked at? I need to go to Best Buy sometime this week and will check them out. TR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Dec 13 10:40:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40305 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 18:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 18:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 18:40:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 18:40:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 18:40:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:40:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 910 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > And how did you evaluate these cuts? With headphones full blast? > > With a sound blaster audio card? Try evaluating them with the > > $1400 Digigram card that these were produced with and try again. > > It doesn't take $1400 worth of equipment to hear grossly obvious > digital codec artifacts. If anything, cheaper audio equipment might > actually make IBOC sound _better_ -- My point, Kevin, is that, once again there is someone here screaming bloody murder but not providing any facts to back up their statements.....you being the exception. While I may not totally agree with the way you perform some of your evaluations, you at least come out and tell everyone what you did and how you did it. And that I can respect. You want to rant, go ahead.....you've backed up that rant with solid facts. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Dec 13 10:42:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43289 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 18:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 18:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 18:42:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 18:41:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 18:41:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:41:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 232 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: >I STILL love to work with > a Revox PR-99! LOL reckon I am "old school". > Oh my God! Can you still get parts for the PR-99???? Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Dec 13 10:44:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38112 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 18:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 18:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 18:44:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 18:44:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 18:44:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:44:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041211062016.62765.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 522 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > > > Unfortunately the Bose is way overpriced and on AM > sounds like CRAP. Did I say CRAP. Yes, I did. My > Hammarlund HQ-180A in widest mode ( 3 kilohertz) > sounds better. I do NOT want and DO not listen to > music with it. > You're right on both counts. But, if this has been determined, for whatever reason and through whatever method, to be how the station sets up their processing, then who am I to question Cris? TR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Dec 13 10:48:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5574 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 18:48:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 18:48:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 18:48:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 18:48:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 18:48:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:48:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 923 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Matt Patoray wrote: > I do have a Question about the IBOC > signal, now I can sit here in Youngstown with the crappy loop antenna > connected to my HK and listen to Joey Reynolds on WOR, would this be > possible on IBOC. Please excuse the dumb question but I can=B9t even see let > alone buy an IBOC receiver in Youngstown Ohio. >=20 > Thank you for your time, >=20 > Matt >=20 Hi Matt: No question is stupid unless you already know the answer. Ohio is way outside our 1/2mV contour, and the IBOC system, as it presently stands, is not intended for reception outside the 1/2.=20 There may be occasions when skywave is strong where you would decode it, but for the most part, skywave reception is not stable enough to decode the IBOC waveform without significant data errors. Whether or not you could try this is dependent on when the FCC grants nighttime.=20=20 Tom Ray WOR From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Dec 13 14:04:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80007 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 22:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 22:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 22:04:27 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id r.c4.1cabbd8b (18251) for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:03:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:03:53 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.2 From: Bossmsx@aol.com Subject: Sony XR-A33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Question for the group..... Does anyone know how well the Sony XR-A33 car radios do insofar as bandwidth is concerned vis-a-vis the SRF-A100's top-notch 12.5 khz?? Better (higher?), or worse?? --tony s/miami [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From castellano105@yahoo.com Mon Dec 13 15:37:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45618 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 23:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 23:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 23:37:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 87185 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2004 23:37:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Tys3hFap2yiloYYOTi1vEq4PXSeQN2CdRUKMXvpCUkYAOOxims6/Dp7KATyXxl6rNJjZSVLauCS7/kV7wgeB5K4JcPXlYr7+Y2PWPjSN6sdp/NOKrFVPKhgf1eZ6pXDdZtoKykenml/FHrVkkkC1a0sTq3D5njkyRjAxoUd1TA0= ; Message-ID: <20041213233733.87183.qmail@web60205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.215.35.144] by web60205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:37:33 PST Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:37:33 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00b201c4e09f$aaa9e7a0$d503fea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.100 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC - new tactic. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758 X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 Interference is in the eye of the beholder! to future generations analog Radio will be as inteference prone meadium as horses and buggies on today highways wold be to us. --- Scott Todd wrote: > OOOoooo- malicious obedience! I like the idea > [sinister grin.] > > Scott Todd > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Carter" > > > Bring IBOC on, let's saturate the band with > > interference as quickly as possible, and let the > public decide if > > its an "improvement". Right now, we are voices > crying out in the > > wilderness, and easily marginalized as kooks > resisting the > > advancement of radio. We need numbers among our > supporters, and > > IBOC shortcomings right in the public's face may > be the only way to > > get them. > > ===== Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Dec 13 16:29:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29116 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 00:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 00:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 00:29:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 00:29:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 00:29:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:28:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 642 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << There is a reason Crawford chose the Bose as their standard. And I'll bet it has something to do with their average listener according to their research. >> Though I haven't visited KAAM myself, I know people who have. It doesn't appear that Crawford invests much money in that outfit--which makes the news of the IBOC upgrade somewhat shocking in these parts. Budget did you say? If they test their music, I'd be surprised. And I doubt very much they've researched the radio used by their average listener. Nope. More likely, someone just thought a Bose would be a nice standard. I can't guarantee it, but I bet I'm right. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 13 16:53:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18708 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 00:53:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 00:53:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 00:53:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 00:53:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 00:53:47 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43374 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 09:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2004 09:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 09:03:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 09:03:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2004 09:03:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:03:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1A3B6CF82D867E4DA14E074DE01D1728233C7F@aubwm208.apac.corp.eds.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1231 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.115 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Avalability of Low Power AM Stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Dec 2004 00:53:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > Of course the best way to ensure AM Stereo survives is for a budding > software engineer to write an open source DSP based transmitter, like we > have started to see recently for DRM (eg DREAM) Which I wsouldn't truly call "DSP", but moreso a means to render one's soundcard as a low-IF OFDM modulator (much like tone and FSK generation), rather than a digitally-generated analog IF signal (although DReaM is beginning to implement narrowband FM, which WOULD effectively be DSP-generated FM). Is it possible to make a DSP-based AM stereo modulator? Yes, it is, but it requires a sound card better than what most have (you'll need a 96kHz MINIMUM sampling rate), as you're going to make the carrier about 30kHz. (You need to have the lowest point in the bandwidth equal to or higher than the highest audio frequency you intend to pass through.) The DSP generation of the AM sidebands will require a very powerful computer to deal withy it. To generate stereo, you'll only have the two sidebands to deal with. It MIGHT be possible to DSP the quadrature, but at the very least, you could generate a non- phased ISB! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Dec 13 16:56:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38976 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 00:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 00:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 00:56:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 00:55:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 00:55:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:55:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 841 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << I should keep things "more civil". After your personal attack above?? >> Actually, I was responding in kind to your previous post. I'd still appreciate a more civil tone in the future. But, seriously, you're the one towing the company line. It's your job to prove to us--the listening consumers--that you've come to an independent conclusion about IBOC. For instance, did you arrive at your pro-IBOC stance before or AFTER your boss told you that WOR would be switching from analog to digital? A fair question from our point of view. And did you expect the rest of the country to gush with sympathy when Corporate Radio decided get into the HD radio business? Face it, IBOC is all about selling radios--or would you have us believe there will be a significant increase in radio ad revenue thanks to IBOC? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 13 17:26:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7908 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 01:26:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 01:26:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 01:26:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 01:25:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 01:25:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:25:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1605 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.9 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You're right on both counts. But, if this has been determined, for > whatever reason and through whatever method, to be how the station > sets up their processing, then who am I to question Cris? I think the bottom line is, stations who transmit reduced-bandwidth audio are punishing anyone who is using a superior receiver. Although these listeners may not be in the majority, they have made an investment in high-quality receivers, and if every AM station cut its audio bandwidth in half (and shut off AM Stereo, where applicable), this collective investment would be rendered worthless. People with "average" receivers do not lose out on anything if they tune in an AM station which broadcasts above-average audio (such as full NRSC-bandwidth AM Stereo). If anything, they actually benefit from it, even if their radio can only receiver a 3 kHz mono "slice" out of a 10 kHz Stereo signal, because of the more critical degree to which a hi-hi AM Stereo station adjusts their audio processing, transmitter, and antenna to achieve better performance (i.e. reduced IPM and increased antenna bandwidth). On the other hand, people with above-average receivers will lose out on a lot if they tune in a station which is only broadcasting "average"-quality audio (i.e. limited-bandwidth audio). Talk stations care about having call-in shows, even if only a small percentage of listeners ever call into a radio station. So why shouldn't AM stations care about transmitting high-quality audio, even if only a small percentage of listeners have radios which can take advantage of it? From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Dec 13 17:28:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77674 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 01:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 01:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.18.57) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 01:28:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:28:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.63 by by24fd.bay24.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:27:07 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:27:07 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2004 01:28:01.0492 (UTC) FILETIME=[26B6B940:01C4E17C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.18.57 From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.63] Subject: RE: {AMSF} target $20 Emerson table radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 That Emerson radio sounds interesting; please give a review. About 3 weeks ago Target had a Jensen digial pll tuner (model JCR) clock radio on sale for $19 and I shouldn't have bought it (another radio to the collection), but I did. It's nice looking in a wood frame cabinet and has bass and treble controls; it's not a dx'ing radio, but is good for local and regional stations and it sounds great for a mono radio. The speaker is a 3.5 inch speaker and on the time, it can be set for the 24 hour mode, which I use. Donn, the time is now 2025. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "link_s86" <link_s86@yahoo.com> Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} target $20 Emerson table radio Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:07:51 -0000 Anyone have any experience with this radio? http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/ref=3430811_bxgy_cc_img_b/602- 2358942-1815034?asin=B0002DG0YK I picked one up at Target Recently. I could not help myself. I've been watching it for at least the last year. I think it was originally at least $40 I think. It seems like it would be a pretty cool system to use as speakers for my Computer also. From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Dec 13 18:00:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5465 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 02:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 02:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 02:00:02 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBE201kN028527 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:00:01 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBE1xpd0009233 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:59:51 +1100 Received: from ausym000.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBE1xpS0009218 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:59:51 +1100 Received: by ausym000.apac.corp.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:59:40 +1100 Message-ID: <1A3B6CF82D867E4DA14E074DE01D1728233C82@aubwm208.apac.corp.eds.com> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:59:56 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Avalability of Low Power AM Stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 I agree, it's more of a "software" defined modulator. It's been done for FM Stereo already! Check this link out! http://www.heinecke.nl/stereocoder_en.html Maybe he's interested in an AM Stereo version? :P Then you'd have an instant "CQUAM" encoder in your PC! Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 7:03 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Avalability of Low Power AM Stereo transmitters -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > Of course the best way to ensure AM Stereo survives is for a budding > software engineer to write an open source DSP based transmitter, like we > have started to see recently for DRM (eg DREAM) Which I wsouldn't truly call "DSP", but moreso a means to render one's soundcard as a low-IF OFDM modulator (much like tone and FSK generation), rather than a digitally-generated analog IF signal (although DReaM is beginning to implement narrowband FM, which WOULD effectively be DSP-generated FM). Is it possible to make a DSP-based AM stereo modulator? Yes, it is, but it requires a sound card better than what most have (you'll need a 96kHz MINIMUM sampling rate), as you're going to make the carrier about 30kHz. (You need to have the lowest point in the bandwidth equal to or higher than the highest audio frequency you intend to pass through.) The DSP generation of the AM sidebands will require a very powerful computer to deal withy it. To generate stereo, you'll only have the two sidebands to deal with. It MIGHT be possible to DSP the quadrature, but at the very least, you could generate a non- phased ISB! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Listen to Internet Radio! Access to your favorite Artists! 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Groups Links From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Dec 13 18:48:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13263 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 02:48:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 02:48:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 02:48:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 02:47:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 02:47:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:47:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 785 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << And I'll put my ears up against yours any day of the week. >> The problem with IBOC is that it IS debatable whether it's an improvement over analog. Two people can sit around listening to 10 khz C-QUAM and IBOC and scratch their heads and argue. And, after a while, each can go away feeling quite comfortable in the opinion that the other guy is wrong. What does this tell you about your new toy? I mean, if IBOC were to analog what HDTV is to rabbit ears, would any of us waste our time arguing about this? Heck no. Tom, you've hitched your wagon to a technology that boasts modest improvements over the current technology; and those improvements are only noticeable in a minority of listening environments. It's hardly worth the time you put into defending it. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 13 19:26:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19167 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 03:26:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 03:26:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 03:26:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 03:26:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 03:26:39 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62307 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 02:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 02:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 02:04:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 02:03:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 02:03:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:03:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 285 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.115 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Dec 2004 03:26:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > Nope. More likely, someone just thought a Bose would be a nice > standard. I can't guarantee it, but I bet I'm right. Hey, if Paul Harve\y can tout it, then it MUST be the standard, yes? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 13 19:27:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 63841 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 03:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 03:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 03:27:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 03:26:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 03:26:54 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8232 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 02:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 02:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 02:19:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 02:19:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 02:19:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:18:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 936 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.115 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Dec 2004 03:26:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > > And did you expect the rest of the country to gush with sympathy when > Corporate Radio decided get into the HD radio business? Face it, > IBOC is all about selling radios--or would you have us believe there > will be a significant increase in radio ad revenue thanks to IBOC? I don't even think it's so much about radios, or the stores would be flooded with them by now. DVDs,m CDs and MP3 players took off as they did because they were everywhere, and people got plenty of opportunity to check them out. Although there will be some HD radios, it does not look like they're going to roll out HD Radio much the same way. So then, why? It IS about the money, and even moreso, about the power that is exerted on the broadcasters by the manufacturers, by way of the NAB and the FCC. $$$$$ That's all that matters. We don't. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 13 19:41:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91699 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 03:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 03:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 03:41:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 03:41:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 03:41:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 03:41:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041213153235.5F9E386B0E@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 851 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.9 Subject: Re: Marantz Car AM Stereo Radio inquiry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Can someone please refresh my memory with the model number of that > Marantz car stereo? > It had an LCD readout with orange numerals/symbols/etc... I believe you're talking about the Marantz 701. Here's a picture of it: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/mar710.jpg This radio is somewhat unique in that it has DBX noise reduction for the cassette player, as well as Dolby B and C NR. That won't be of much use unless you also have a DBX-equipped tape deck and have recorded your own DBX-encoded cassettes, but it's an interesting feature nonetheless. And for what it's worth, MTS TV Stereo inherently uses DBX noise reduction as part of its signal format; I wonder if anyone has ever experimented with adding DBX to AM Stereo or FM Stereo radio, similar to how "Dolby FM" was used in the late '70s and early '80s. From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 13 19:51:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60455 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 03:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 03:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 03:51:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 2551 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2004 03:51:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=QLK4eJhVrrAV5k9IqfsOjGP9/5LieTTxJ2+bBX/Uf/gVgaywiCwmv5e9V6ZTcZsPY5uty+OuLqHeHCxKbi3W7kAFeuJRNXBXCIxq86HuZuIx8xBrmBdjKFytcGpVXCbapittZrzLS7ySvu55c1leLcMjCTaR2+lSInW86635upQ= ; Message-ID: <20041214035128.2549.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.100] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:51:28 PST Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:51:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum > Hunter" > wrote: > >I STILL love to work with > > a Revox PR-99! LOL reckon I am "old school". > Oh my God! Can you still get parts for the > PR-99???? > Tom Ray > WOR I am sure you can or find someone who can fix them, when necessary. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 13 19:53:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24085 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 03:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 03:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52402.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.110) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 03:53:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 64964 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2004 03:53:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=2yY2fv+VQ36Fd5jKzXfSWFt8+o8XblDrVPW00d0f8npcOVV/taD8QEt5SNqd4EzILb/Cz8rL30oTW0FaEVKnhGT/t2D6aDlRh62yz63tIxVDQbH8rOCs19xSNGiOLXeyiPdkJVgDhH/bL1Jk4LPTowBjcdhuh0BSZKq2x5IMjiM= ; Message-ID: <20041214035330.64962.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.100] by web52402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:53:30 PST Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:53:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.110 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > Unfortunately the Bose is way overpriced and on AM > > sounds like CRAP. Did I say CRAP. Yes, I did. My > > Hammarlund HQ-180A in widest mode ( 3 kilohertz) > > sounds better. I do NOT want and DO not listen to > > music with it. > You're right on both counts. But, if this has been > determined, for > whatever reason and through whatever method, to be > how the station > sets up their processing, then who am I to question > Cris? > > TR If I lived in his coverage area ...... I would simply tell him, do what you want, I am not listening to your station anymore. If I were an advertiser I would not advertise. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 13 19:58:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71382 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 03:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 03:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52401.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.109) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 03:58:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 13646 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2004 03:58:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=hDuvdrv8BmLolzcXw219p3T13Op7fgSsVK8UcWe/OqC5+ULal9WJbQqDR3aBNqYQJutHJLxLnzJcOji2x+TQV3yNcf87eFKOYunRno+tJvn7Uru0pDAJ2ScADMH9fqagZebPgHthuY9i406rvV6o3IU2DwEWoGN0GL7tDsGosHg= ; Message-ID: <20041214035821.13644.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.100] by web52401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:58:21 PST Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:58:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.109 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Marantz Car AM Stereo Radio inquiry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > > Can someone please refresh my memory with the > model number of that > > Marantz car stereo? > > It had an LCD readout with orange > numerals/symbols/etc... > > I believe you're talking about the Marantz 701. > Here's a picture of > it: > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/mar710.jpg > > This radio is somewhat unique in that it has DBX > noise reduction for > the cassette player, as well as Dolby B and C NR. > That won't be of > much use unless you also have a DBX-equipped tape > deck and have > recorded your own DBX-encoded cassettes, but it's an > interesting > feature nonetheless. And for what it's worth, MTS > TV Stereo > inherently uses DBX noise reduction as part of its > signal format; > I wonder if anyone has ever experimented with adding > DBX to AM Stereo > or FM Stereo radio, similar to how "Dolby FM" was > used in the late > '70s and early '80s. I have a Technics cassette deck that has DBX. It's an eye opener. I got it on Ebay for around $30. Not even a trace of wear on the heads! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From mspatoray@sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 13 21:40:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspatoray@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1644 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 05:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 05:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 05:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (mspatoray@sbcglobal.net@64.108.116.206 with login) by smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 05:40:35 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:40:33 -0500 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.187 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178375692 X-Yahoo-Profile: mpatoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Tom, >=20 > I am personally sorry that this discussion has gone the way it has, and I= am > sorry if I said something that offended you, it was not meant that way. = And I > would never say that I am one of those Golden Eared, Lunitic Fringe=B2 au= dio > people. I believe that if you buy a $300 power cord you just wasted $295.= I > have never liked a SINGLE pair of bose PROFESSIONAL or CAR speakers that = I > have liked, now I thought that the direct reflection of the 301 series II= I was > neat and the speakers sounded good. I also believe that there is only ONE= HiFi > station here in Youngstown 88.5 WYSU FM, all of the others are plagued wi= th > dead air horrably compressed MP3=B9s and splatter all over the dial not t= o > mention just bad sound even when they are speaking into their RE-20=B9s, = would > you like to here =B3Hot 101.1=B2 when you are tuned in to =B33WS 94.5=B2.= I don=B9t > believe form any of the lists that I have looked at that I can even recei= ve > any AM Stereo stations here because the last one that I knew of KDKA 1020 > turned off their stereo in 1997, a shame because that was the first place= I > heard it in about 1993 sitting in my grandma=B9s New Yorker. >=20 > Keep up the good work at WOR, I like being able to pick it up some nights= in > the winter, just for the old time Dxing fun I missed out on, I am 25. >=20 > Matt >=20 >=20 > I should keep things "more civil". After your personal attack above?? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Dec 13 21:55:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52162 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 05:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 05:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 05:55:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 05:55:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 05:55:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:55:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 477 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.177.176 Subject: Re: Marantz Car AM Stereo Radio inquiry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I wonder if anyone has ever experimented with adding DBX to AM Stereo > or FM Stereo radio, similar to how "Dolby FM" was used in the late > '70s and early '80s. In a way... yes. WNBC used DBX noise reduction on all carts up thru the end. I'm sure some FM stations used it as well. If you encoded audio with DBX-NR, you had to play it back thru DBX or it sounded very compressed and shrill. From mspatoray@sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 13 22:00:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspatoray@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16607 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 06:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 06:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp818.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 06:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (mspatoray@sbcglobal.net@64.108.116.206 with login) by smtp818.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 06:00:28 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:00:27 -0500 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.4 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Marantz Car AM Stereo Radio inquiry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178375692 X-Yahoo-Profile: mpatoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DBX is also the NR of choice in VHS HiFi, that would be DBX II DBX I is use= d on 15 IPS + Analog tape, although it is much more picky about setup than Dolby A on 15 IPS. Wasn=B9t Dolby FM just modified Dolby B I seem to rememb= er seaing a Teac Dolby Encoder/Decoder that would do Dolby FM. M old Pioneer QX-747 had an output for Dolby FM. Matt On 12/13/04 10:41 PM, "Kevin T." wrote: > And for what it's worth, MTS TV Stereo > inherently uses DBX noise reduction as part of its signal format; >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 13 23:04:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47372 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 07:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 07:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 07:04:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:04:07 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 03:37:37 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:37:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2004 07:04:07.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AE048A0:01C4E1AB] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.82 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > Oh my God! Can you still get parts for the PR-99???? I am not sure because mine has never broke! (knock on wood!). I was able to get new heads for my Revox A-77 last year. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 14 00:41:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40273 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 08:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 08:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 08:41:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 08:41:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 08:41:38 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26410 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 06:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 06:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 06:03:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 06:03:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 06:03:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:03:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 215 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.190 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Dec 2004 08:41:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 Youngstown, Ohio? You should be able to get WJR from Detroit, as well as CFCO across the lake, both in glorious AM stereo. Hmmm... Who else should be receivable in central-eastern Ohio? Hmmmm.... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Dec 14 02:20:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47451 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 10:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 10:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 10:20:34 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:20:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.77.110.216 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:19:54 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:19:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2004 10:20:02.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[79311310:01C4E1C6] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.20 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.77.110.216] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane WMNI 920 Columbus, OH is a possibility. I could get them in full stereo in Findlay. Paul Crane >From: "Amy Mousie" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line >Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:03:44 -0000 > > > >Youngstown, Ohio? You should be able to get WJR from Detroit, as well >as CFCO across the lake, both in glorious AM stereo. Hmmm... Who else >should be receivable in central-eastern Ohio? Hmmmm.... > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Dec 14 02:28:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43478 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 10:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 10:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.31) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 10:28:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:28:15 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.77.110.216 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:27:16 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: kc8yqq@hotmail.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:27:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2004 10:28:15.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[9ED27270:01C4E1C7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.31 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.77.110.216] Subject: AM stereo losses X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane From doing band scans while out-of-town, the following are now mono :( : WXLA 1180 Diamondale, MI (as reported to happen a few months ago) WGVU 1480 Kentwood, MI (sent inquiry message via website, waiting to hear back) Also, I've been trying to contact the station manager at WLCM 1390 (Charlotte, MI) trying to talk them into going back to stereo. My emails have gone unanswered. Paul Crane _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Dec 14 04:51:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54715 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 12:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 12:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 12:51:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 12:51:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 12:51:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:51:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 355 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: POWERSide/CAM-D stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Any list out there of stations running CAM-D or POWERSide?? Also, has anyone (to date) been able to detect separation on a CAM-D station using a Sony multimode radio, or the "two radio trick??" So far, efforts to do so on stations claiming to be running CAM-D have been fruitless, just checking if any progress had been made on this end. tony/miami From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Dec 14 05:42:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38221 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 13:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 13:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 13:42:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 13:42:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 13:42:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:42:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041214035330.64962.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 419 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << If I lived in his coverage area ...... I would simply tell him, do what you want, I am not listening to your station anymore. If I were an advertiser I would not advertise. >> Powell, I haven't e-mailed the station, but I've quit listening nevertheless. I've tried to keep listening (KAAM is STILL in stereo, after all), but, at 6 kHz, the music is no longer pleasing to the ear. A Fum Bucker, as they say. From brucec@mindspring.com Tue Dec 14 06:03:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55943 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 14:03:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 14:03:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 14:03:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 14:02:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 14:02:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:02:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 712 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.252.250.79 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > Bruce: do you have a couple of specific models you looked at? I need > to go to Best Buy sometime this week and will check them out. > > TR Oh darn! You caught me the one time I didn't jot things down. I didn't have a notepad and pen that day because it was in the midst of a massive Christmas shopping day. I'll be sure to jot down a couple of model numbers for you the next time I go there. The boom box variety appears to still be the old 3 IF can design, but you get into the cheapie clock radios and stuff, they all seem to be converted over to the new designs. I don't know if that will help. Here I am the one screaming "document" to the AM stereo folks, and I dropped the ball myself! From brucec@mindspring.com Tue Dec 14 06:06:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42331 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 14:06:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 14:06:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 14:06:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 14:05:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 14:05:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:05:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 186 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.252.250.79 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > Hey, if Paul Harve\y can tout it, then it MUST be the standard, yes? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I bet Paul Harvey has lost all hearing above 2.4 kHz anyway! HE must be pretty old by now. From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Tue Dec 14 06:07:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49973 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 14:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 14:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.18.184) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 14:07:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:07:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.0.17.189 by BAY24-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:06:49 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [badeditproductions@hotmail.com] X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:06:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2004 14:07:00.0423 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E082570:01C4E1E6] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.18.184 From: "Joe Collins" X-Originating-IP: [68.0.17.189] Subject: Greetings and Salutations! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First off, I'd like to say how thrilled I am to have stumbled upon this forum! I happened upon it quite by accident while surfing the web just yesterday.. I have always been fascinated with radio and audio recording. I can remember being about 14 when I realized that radio stations must be using some sort of automatic level control because the music sounded so different when I played it home. From that moment on, I have been curious about radio transmission systems and audio processing. When I was in high school I was lucky enough to be able to take radio broadcasting at one of the nations finest high school stations and I'm still involved with them today. There I learned the basics of announcing, programming and engineering and I've done all of those things at one time or another at many stations over the years. If you can think of a job that you would do in a radio station, I've probably done it!. The only position that I have not held is GM. In the last couple of years, I've been playing around with DSP processing in my home studio and doing some freelance production, consulting and house-husbanding. My first real paying gig was working for one of the few AM stereo powerhouse stations. I loved being there because I had grown up listening to this station. It was frustrating to know that most who were listening didn't get all the great audio I heard on the air monitors but I sure enjoyed bringing in CD's to spin overnights when the PD was asleep! I my own way, I've been fighting the battle for better sounding AM radio for the entire 18 years of my career. I have fought for preserving music formats on AM. I have designed audio processing chains for all of the AM of the stations I was involved with and consulted many others. If I didn't have control over it myself, I would fight the engineer to implement my ideas. I usably won and they were happy in the end once they heard the results. I look forward to participating in the discussions here! J Joe Newport News, VA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brucec@mindspring.com Tue Dec 14 06:09:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9870 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 14:09:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 14:09:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 14:09:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 14:09:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 14:09:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:09:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 408 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.252.250.79 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Yes - but Kevin, you are still touting the old argument that most radios are narrow band. One of our strongest points against IBOC is that most new radios are broadband - because of sloppy design, not a desire to have better audio. I really thought before working on one of my daughter's radios that it had the equivalent of a crystal set inside. But is was superhet - done as cheaply as possible. From brucec@mindspring.com Tue Dec 14 06:15:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82517 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 14:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 14:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 14:15:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 14:15:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 14:15:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:14:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 785 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.252.250.79 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line -double standard X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Has anybody noticed - When IBOC advocates talk about wide bandwidth receivers, they talk about how only a small percentage of listeners have broadband receivers (not true). yet - how many listeners actually own a digital receiver? It would seem that programming to a miniscule number of digital receivers makes more sense to them than programming for the millions of wide band receivers that actually DO exist right now! It will take years for any significant penetration of the market by digital receivers, because they are horribly expensive. So the ratios will not change very much for a least a year or two. When car radios come on line, I bet most people won't even be aware they have a digital radio, much as most people don't even know they have AM stereo now. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 14 07:10:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80479 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 15:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 15:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 15:10:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 15:09:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 15:09:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:09:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 611 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.126.223.41 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Hey Gang Ya he can aford one but the average seanor can't aford to pay $300 and up for a Bose radio. A lot of seanors are getting there pills from Canada because thay are chiper than here in the states. And when i was in a Bose store for all most a hour i did'nt see one seanor i there at all. Just 50 and below. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > > Hey, if Paul Harve\y can tout it, then it MUST be the standard, > yes? > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > I bet Paul Harvey has lost all hearing above 2.4 kHz anyway! HE > must be pretty old by now. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 14 07:24:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87346 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 15:24:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 15:24:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 15:24:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 15:24:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 15:24:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:24:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1181 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.126.223.41 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line -double standard X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Hey agan Another thing thats slowing down HD radio for AM its band from night use. I can tell you guys that KCBS AM 740 sounds like crap dering the day. And thats at a 100 miles. You know me i am just useing my ears after all thats what radios are made for. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > Has anybody noticed - > > When IBOC advocates talk about wide bandwidth receivers, they talk > about how only a small percentage of listeners have broadband > receivers (not true). > > yet - how many listeners actually own a digital receiver? It would > seem that programming to a miniscule number of digital receivers > makes more sense to them than programming for the millions of wide > band receivers that actually DO exist right now! > > It will take years for any significant penetration of the market by > digital receivers, because they are horribly expensive. So the > ratios will not change very much for a least a year or two. When > car radios come on line, I bet most people won't even be aware they > have a digital radio, much as most people don't even know they have > AM stereo now. From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Dec 14 07:38:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73358 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 15:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 15:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.19) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 15:38:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:38:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.78.55.198 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:37:48 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:37:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2004 15:38:03.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6676ED0:01C4E1F2] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.19 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [216.78.55.198] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Greetings and Salutations! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Joe, Welcome to the forum. I am sure you will learn much and hopefully you can teach us a thing or two in the process. MTGC (Michael) >From: "Joe Collins" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: {AMSF} Greetings and Salutations! >Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:06:46 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [68.0.17.189] >X-Originating-Email: [badeditproductions@hotmail.com] >X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com >Received: from n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.16]) by >mc3-f3.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 >06:08:08 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec >2004 14:07:01 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.28] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 >Dec 2004 14:07:01 -0000 >Received: (qmail 49973 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 14:07:00 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >14 Dec 2004 14:07:00 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.18.184) by >mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 14:07:00 -0000 >Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; >Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:07:00 -0800 >Received: from 68.0.17.189 by BAY24-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV;Tue, 14 Dec 2004 >14:06:49 +0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGCoFFHwTPm5Y3pDFlJhDcq >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2004 14:07:00.0423 (UTC) >FILETIME=[2E082570:01C4E1E6] >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.18.184 >X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-19676-1103033221-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com > >First off, I'd like to say how thrilled I am to have stumbled upon this >forum! I happened upon it quite by accident while surfing the web just >yesterday.. > >I have always been fascinated with radio and audio recording. I can >remember being about 14 when I realized that radio stations must be using >some sort of automatic level control because the music sounded so different >when I played it home. From that moment on, I have been curious about radio >transmission systems and audio processing. When I was in high school I was >lucky enough to be able to take radio broadcasting at one of the nations >finest high school stations and I'm still involved with them today. There I >learned the basics of announcing, programming and engineering and I've done >all of those things at one time or another at many stations over the years. >If you can think of a job that you would do in a radio station, I've >probably done it!. The only position that I have not held is GM. In the >last couple of years, I've been playing around with DSP processing in my >home studio and doing some freelance production, consulting and >house-husbanding. > >My first real paying gig was working for one of the few AM stereo >powerhouse stations. I loved being there because I had grown up listening >to this station. It was frustrating to know that most who were listening >didn't get all the great audio I heard on the air monitors but I sure >enjoyed bringing in CD's to spin overnights when the PD was asleep! > >I my own way, I've been fighting the battle for better sounding AM radio >for the entire 18 years of my career. I have fought for preserving music >formats on AM. I have designed audio processing chains for all of the AM of >the stations I was involved with and consulted many others. If I didn't >have control over it myself, I would fight the engineer to implement my >ideas. I usably won and they were happy in the end once they heard the >results. > >I look forward to participating in the discussions here! > >J > >Joe > >Newport News, VA > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 14 11:21:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89154 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 19:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 19:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14222.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 19:21:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 45352 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2004 19:21:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=A6TYZaGC8mrjRgGshxyEDDc7DtlJbXhQ6A/RvoL2Rj37WiWpf6uXgRh0FT88nf6xDMOjeT8DN8ydAWMpwSFzTKTjKsnV3WPfWx4aMOZ1EESdqSN8A6NyUT2ny54n0aPFPuvHTIsgKh5224Yt8eyG/4oEWyWHDXVE/4Qg2yBwrV4= ; Message-ID: <20041214192150.45350.qmail@web14222.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web14222.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:21:49 PST Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:21:49 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.171.106 From: "John P." Subject: Ohio - East-Central AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio wrote: "Who else should be receivable in central-eastern Ohio? Hmmmm...." I would try WBCO 1540 in Bucyrus - they have very decent AM Stereo music after their LOCAL talk show. One of the few Mom & Pop stations that has not yet been assimilated by a corporate monster (at least they weren't when I stopped-by a year ago). __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 14 14:54:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93738 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 22:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 22:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 22:54:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 22:54:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 22:54:22 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11556 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 20:30:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 20:30:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 20:30:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 20:30:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2004 20:30:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:30:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 724 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.9 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Dec 2004 22:54:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > Hey Gang Ya he can aford one but the average seanor can't aford to > pay $300 and up for a Bose radio. A lot of seanors are getting there > pills from Canada because thay are chiper than here in the states. > And when i was in a Bose store for all most a hour i did'nt see one > seanor i there at all. Just 50 and below. Jim Smith The Bose Wave Radio is advertised with a payment plan, rather than buying outright. In fact, I don't think the average customer is really aware of just how much a Bose Wave Radio does cost- They just see the amount for each monthly installment, and think, "I can afford that." Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 14 14:59:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19816 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 22:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 22:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52403.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.111) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 22:59:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 41738 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2004 22:59:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=lvsSO6pozlqDNmT7YdIpsH4JrBWEYfBz/imt07hhtnRPomAnT5zK1ThgPfavhi4RlFpPZ6l0vCbMQU3eElNzd2r8h+wr3K51LT4eqf2jS/t+usYzhpCjVbqNo+4RF0QEF2iWtv4aBXfGJ42BkF7qH0BjfUIvdm+ZijgXbvSzjDs= ; Message-ID: <20041214225914.41736.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.78] by web52403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:59:14 PST Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:59:14 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.111 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Tom Ray wrote: > > Oh my God! Can you still get parts for the > PR-99???? > > I am not sure because mine has never broke! (knock > on wood!). I was able to > get new heads for my Revox A-77 last year. > > Kevin in Tampa I thought heads on a Revox lasted forever! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 14 15:03:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1149 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 23:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2004 23:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52403.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.111) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 23:03:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 43206 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2004 23:02:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=iTrCHC61K0Ln+8GfeJpxeDI00VcT55cxiLh3YnfS6mCgcjIBgWfhDX+0ylw8kuiP4mfKCcEHlbM+GKWC5GFaxMF19bSMGuFlPm4qRuahIRGIRbvOZ0r9chDSoogta1XpqcTgLF8NBlO/tvtvwSWv4dk+n3Na25gF3umY4mHseSQ= ; Message-ID: <20041214230256.43204.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.78] by web52403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:02:55 PST Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:02:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.111 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: DBX encoding and decoding. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- wgliradio wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > wrote: > > I wonder if anyone has ever experimented with > adding DBX to AM > Stereo > > or FM Stereo radio, similar to how "Dolby FM" was > used in the late > > '70s and early '80s. > > In a way... yes. WNBC used DBX noise reduction on > all carts up thru > the end. I'm sure some FM stations used it as well. > > If you encoded audio with DBX-NR, you had to play it > back thru DBX or > it sounded very compressed and shrill. Years ago WZLD ( many call letter and format changes ago) used DBX on their cart machines. Worked wonders. When you play back a DBX encoded tape on a non DBX machine it's not so shrill but compressed and pumpy sounding at the same time. VERY weird, but punch the magic button....and..........wooee! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Tue Dec 14 19:42:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77158 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2004 03:42:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2004 03:42:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.18.182) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2004 03:42:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:42:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.0.17.189 by BAY24-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 03:41:43 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [badeditproductions@hotmail.com] X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com To: References: <20041214230256.43204.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:41:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2004 03:42:00.0630 (UTC) FILETIME=[08D39560:01C4E258] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.18.182 From: "Joe Collins" X-Originating-IP: [68.0.17.189] Subject: Re: {AMSF} DBX encoding and decoding. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Back in the 70's, Some FM stations used to broadcast using Dolby NR. It was the same flavor of Dolby they used on cassettes which is not too god awful unpleasant to listen to without decoding. The standard called for the station using the system to broadcast using a 50 microsecond pre-emphasis curve instead if the standard 75... This, theoretically, compensated for the extra high end energy on non Dolby receivers. II once worked for a station that used 50 micro-seconds of pre-emph on purpose to warm up the sound... Not my idea, mind you, but it did give us a warmer sound than anyone else. In the 80's their was a system introduced for FM called FMX that used companding type NR (like Dolby and DBX) on the L-R channel only. The companded L-R was put on a subcarier using quadrature modulation and you had to have a FMX receiver to detect that extra channel of L-R. The standard unencoded L-R was broadcast in the regular base band so a non FMX radio still worked the same even if the station was sending out the FMX signal... It was a brilliant idea but never caught on because the improvement in sound was not enough for the average person to hear on an average radio that was pretty close to the transmitter. It was a stupendous improvement if you were outside of the stations primary service area, though. FM's stereo info is only usable for 50% of the station total range. Most car FM radios use the dreaded 'blend circuit' to compensate for this. I guess you would be able to use some sort of NR on AM, too. It would require some very stringent specifications for audio frequency response, both from the transmitters and radios. Engineers would resist it, though because the NRSC Standard already requires some pretty aggressive processing of the high end to meet the 75 micro second pre-emphasis curve the standard imposes.. You might even have to drop the modulation down some to compensate for the extra energy the coder would add to the signal... Not good! Campanding NR might not help AM much, anyhow. Most of the noise you deal with on AM is transient in nature... Pops, clicks and buzzes.... companding NR works best for hissey noise like you get from tape or poor FM reception. Transient noises still 'punch through' on all but the most aggressive NR systems. Dolby SR is probably the best sounding NR I've ever heard. It would be great for FM but you can't hardly stand to hear it undecided... :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Dec 14 21:49:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25433 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2004 05:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2004 05:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.137) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2004 05:49:35 -0000 Received: from storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id B89DBD5F5; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:49:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id VAA27933; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:49:09 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRJHTmH8WDpuBWxPH6JLP+Bw0ihcQIUA/Y/dB+alj/BkmECnjohP62X0nM= Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:49:09 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: abdx@abdx.org Message-ID: <23852-41BFD055-5689@storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 14 Dec 2004 17:19:25 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.137 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn PowerSide and Cam-D Use X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been monitoring KRVN 880 Lexington, NE in recent times checking for Cam-D. Never found any clear cut stereo separation on the times KRVN plays music. Even went on a trip to Central Nebraska last spring, with no clear answer. Does seem that Power Side is in use at KRVN, at least that's what the Sony SRF-A100 in the Kahn mode seems to suggest. Michael Richards out in wonderful Wyoming has also been checking them....for Cam_D operation. Bill Snyder - Omaha BS-NE BS-NE1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Dec 14 22:05:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46291 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2004 06:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2004 06:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.139) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2004 06:05:04 -0000 Received: from storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id A3AD2D60E; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:05:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id WAA25246; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:05:02 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQRxprZORHnr4wyQrI9j2jNxtF9iwIUfMCMO+w3yBwJZ9KnWkzmmoUhjcs= Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 00:05:02 -0600 To: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, meridian_38@hotmail.com Cc: Bossmsx@aol.com Message-ID: <22024-41BFD40E-4676@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.139 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: Re: [ABDX] - {AMSF} Kahn PowerSide and Cam-D Use X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bossmsx at aol.com see the following about KRVN Lexington, NE PowerSide operation... and Cam-D Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Wed Dec 15 02:10:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64247 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2004 10:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2004 10:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au) (150.229.64.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2004 10:10:20 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (138.194.10.10) by vic-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au with ESMTP; 15 Dec 2004 21:10:14 +1100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.87,144,1099227600"; d="scan'208"; a="16933380:sNHT18965788" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBFAADfI015410 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:10:13 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:10:13 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 150.229.64.38 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Marvellous Melbourne! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Hey - what a title. Mark Twain called us that in the late 1800s and he wasn't wrong. Four years ago Melbourne seemed to be the AM stereo capital of the world as well. But it's all been downhill ever since. I don't post much now because there's nothing to say about the Oz situation. It's all too depressing. I know there's still a lot of technical talk (and agro) and I think that's healthy. I just wish I could contribute to that. To all here - I can only say ... this is your your list. Say whatever it is that you want to. We need ideas! UK Dave has seemingly been with us forever. We must all thank Dave for his contributions to this list - particularly as the UK has never embraced AM stereo. He is currently in Melbourne and has helped me in so many ways. I may soon be able to post an .mp3 file of Magic 693 to the AM stereo website - if it hasn't been hijacked by ... you know who you are. So Dave ... The AM stereo world wants a current evaluation on three things. 1 Melbourne 2 Radio 3 AM stereo It's been great having you here! Ian Melbourne From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Dec 15 03:34:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17038 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2004 11:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2004 11:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2004 11:34:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 03:34:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:33:19 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <23852-41BFD055-5689@storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 06:33:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2004 11:34:05.0020 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB7A81C0:01C4E299] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.87 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Rotten Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 What's with the horrible audio on 5745 Radio Marti? One would think that the only remaining "Super-power" nation could afford to buy modulator tubes to transmit the "gospel of capitalism" to one of the last "Evil Empires" of Communist dictatorships. Honestly, NO Cuban station I have ever heard has such poor, distorted, low-bandwidth audio. I know they have to really crank up the processing to overcome Cuban jammers, but that does not make the audio as distorted as it is. It has been my experience listening to short wave radio, stations with clean, crisp audio are much easier to hear in poor conditions and QRM than stations with poor audio. When the GCN network switched from good sounding WWCR to bad sounding WGTG (Now WWRB), it became much harder to listen to some of my favorite programs. It would be much better for the Cuban listeners to Radio Marti if they would clean up the audio. The engineering staff at Radio Marti / Voice Of America should take audio engineering lessons from WHRI. While I am not much into the "Bible Banger" format, WHRI is one of the best sounding short wave stations on the air. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Dec 15 15:28:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25228 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2004 23:28:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2004 23:28:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2004 23:28:15 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.194]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:28:13 -0700 Message-ID: <008a01c4e2fd$b37662e0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <23852-41BFD055-5689@storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:27:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2004 23:28:14.0495 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFC182F0:01C4E2FD] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn PowerSide and Cam-D Use X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It would have to be fairly recent that they reinstalled CAM-D, if that's the case. I saw Vern Killion last Oct., and they had only tested it for three days because the prototype exciter kept breaking down. I don't think they ever did get a decent test out of it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > Michael Richards out in wonderful Wyoming has also been checking > them....for Cam_D operation. Bill Snyder - Omaha BS-NE BS-NE1 > From tomray@wor710.com Wed Dec 15 18:48:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91470 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 02:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 02:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 02:48:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 02:48:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 02:48:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 02:47:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3246 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > > > But, seriously, you're the one towing the company line. It's your > job to prove to us--the listening consumers--that you've come to an > independent conclusion about IBOC. > > For instance, did you arrive at your pro-IBOC stance before or AFTER > your boss told you that WOR would be switching from analog to > digital? A fair question from our point of view. You have a lot to learn about our company. I have been following IBOC since it was introduced at NAB in the early 1990's. The company did not "tell me" that WOR was installing IBOC. The topic had not come up. I told the president that this is what we should be doing and that iBiquity needed a high power station for testing. He agreed in full and gave me the green light to do what was necessary to get it on the air. Our company president defers to me as the Director of Engineering.....and in that respect, I am a lucky person, as our prez doesn't assume he's the CE. > > And did you expect the rest of the country to gush with sympathy when > Corporate Radio decided get into the HD radio business? Face it, > IBOC is all about selling radios--or would you have us believe there > will be a significant increase in radio ad revenue thanks to IBOC? What do you mean "gush with sympathy"? I would have you believe that AM radio stations will not be turning off their transmitters and turning in their licenses "thanks" to IBOC. I have been in this business 28 years and have seen the slow decline of AM radio in that time. I hear the same thing from far too many people....people not in the industry nor with a vested interest in keeping an antiquated medium alive for the jollies of being able to listen to a station 1000 miles from its transmitter (and yes, I enjoy good DXing). People like my neighbors who humor me regarding the fact that I work for an AM radio station, but none of whom will give an AM station the time of day, particularly where I live, 50 miles outside of NYC where the NY AM's are extremely noisy and where the 3 1KW AM stations we have here don't have anywhere near the coverage you would get simply screaming out the window. If the listener decline in AM radio or, for that matter, FM radio continues the way it has been, terrestrial radio will be in huge trouble in as little as 10 years from now. If it weren't for the fact that many AM stations have an FM attached to them, the AM's would be off the air. I know of one station that has an FM where the ownership seriously considered either 1) turning in the license or 2) selling the license to me for $1 and giving me the towers and transmitter if I took the towers down. They downgraded the AM to a 1KW daytimer and keep it on the air for "historical" purposes. It simulcasts the FM, and the AM is NEVER mentioned, except in the top hour ID. So, you tell me how great AM radio is doing when owners are considering doing something like this. IBOC will not be the sole savior of AM radio....there are multiple aspects to that. But IBOC will go a long way to getting rid of the listener perception that "AM sucks". And that, my friend, is worth its weight in gold. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Wed Dec 15 18:58:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98201 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 02:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 02:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 02:58:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 02:57:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 02:57:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 02:57:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2509 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > > << And I'll put my ears up against yours any day of the week. >> > > The problem with IBOC is that it IS debatable whether it's an improvement over > analog. Two people can sit around listening to 10 khz C-QUAM and IBOC and scratch > their heads and argue. And, after a while, each can go away feeling quite comfortable > in the opinion that the other guy is wrong. What does this tell you about your new > toy? The same can be said for any type of audio processing...in the studio, on the air, on a television audio chain. So your argument doesn't hold water. Audio is extremely subjective. Bottom line is that, in every situation where I've demoed HD, listeners go away impressed. We had 40 members of a women's group come in the other day....age ranges from 35-70. I wasn't supposed to be involved in the meeting....until they started peppering the Morning show crew with questions about this "HD Radio WOR talks about". I spent an hour with them, and a good 30 minutes of that was spent listening to not only the HD signal, but going head to head with the analog signal. I did not tell any of them what to expect ahead of time. They all had the same thing to say.....that it sounded like an FM station and was much better to listen to. And women's hearing is much more acute than that of men. So my "toy", in which multiple millions of $ have been invested, and in which the largest broadcast groups in the US will be starting their conversions Jan 1, seems to work. > > I mean, if IBOC were to analog what HDTV is to rabbit ears, would any of us waste our > time arguing about this? Heck no. Have you experience an HD signal in person? I suspect not. You shouldn't debate me unless you know the facts and have had the experience. > > Tom, you've hitched your wagon to a technology that boasts modest improvements > over the current technology; and those improvements are only noticeable in a > minority of listening environments. > > It's hardly worth the time you put into defending it. You're damn right it is. Right now, ANY improvement is better than the status quo, and once again, your analysis is subjective. We have listened to the HD in many listening environments....studio, auto, home among them. The "modest" improvement is head and tails above analog AM. Once again, unless you have experienced a real HD broadcast, you have no idea what you are missing. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Wed Dec 15 19:02:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57562 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 03:02:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 03:02:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 03:02:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 03:02:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 03:02:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 03:02:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 273 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Matt: No offense taken, so don't apologize. I tend to respond in kind, so please don't take offense to anything I said to you. Now that that is over with...... Where are you located? It's very cold in NYC tonight, so listening conditions should be good. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Wed Dec 15 19:04:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66095 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 03:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 03:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 03:04:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 03:04:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 03:04:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 03:04:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 682 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Tom Ray wrote: > > Oh my God! Can you still get parts for the PR-99???? > > I am not sure because mine has never broke! (knock on wood!). I was able to > get new heads for my Revox A-77 last year. > Now that's very cool. I had Studer 810's at WTIC, and ended up using Saki heads in them.....the Studer heads were very soft and would be shot after 6 months. The Saki heads were very hard and had much flatter response than original Studer heads. The only problem with the 810's was that the brakes were a mother to adjust, as there was almost zero tolerance in the adjustments. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Wed Dec 15 19:06:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97398 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 03:06:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 03:06:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 03:06:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 03:06:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 03:06:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 03:06:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 355 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > > Here I am the one screaming "document" to the AM stereo folks, and I > dropped the ball myself! You're forgiven.....Christmas Shopping tends to muddle the thought process. I, personally, keep thinking about the beer I'm going to need after the shopping is done! TR From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Dec 15 19:11:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 58184 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 03:11:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 03:11:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 03:11:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 03:11:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 03:11:19 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39896 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2004 19:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2004 19:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2004 19:07:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2004 19:07:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2004 19:07:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:06:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 430 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.9 Subject: Re: Rotten Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Dec 2004 03:11:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: =snip= Keep in mind that most shortwave broadcasters have to contend with 5kHz channel spacing, rather than the 9 or 10kHz on the MW band enjoys, and must find ways to compensate for this, such as with pre- emphasis and a reduced carrier. There are some clean-sounding stations on SW- Not all of them American biblethumpers. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jeffdeck@aol.com Wed Dec 15 19:20:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11687 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 03:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 03:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 03:20:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 03:20:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 03:20:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 03:20:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1892 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.209.139.160 Subject: Re: DBX encoding and decoding. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Joe, You write: >Back in the 70's, Some FM stations used to broadcast using Dolby >NR. >The standard called for the station using the system to broadcast >using a 50 microsecond pre-emphasis curve instead if the standard >75... This, theoretically, compensated for the extra high end >energy on non Dolby receivers. II once worked for a station that >used 50 micro-seconds of pre-emph on purpose to warm up the sound. Dolby actually used a 25uS pre-emphasis curve. If your FM station was using a 50uS curve, then I am afraid it would not brighten the sound through a 75 uS de-emphasis network. Actually, it would dull the sound further. >In the 80's their was a system introduced for FM called FMX that >used companding type NR (like Dolby and DBX) on the L-R channel >only. The companded L-R was put on a subcarier using quadrature >modulation and you had to have a FMX receiver to detect that extra >channel of L-R. >It was a brilliant idea but never caught on because the improvement >in sound was not enough for the average person to hear on an >average radio that was pretty close to the transmitter. Actually, it never became popular as their were technical shortcomings with the FMX system. There was crostalk between the phase encoded and the main carrier, primarily in areas where multipath existed. >Engineers would resist it, though because the NRSC Standard already >requires some pretty aggressive processing of the high end to meet >the 75 micro second pre-emphasis curve the standard imposes.. AM broadcasting does not, and never used the standard 75 uS curve. AM stereo stations are supposed to use the NRSC-1 mask which has a 10dB cut at 10kHZ in the receivers. In my listening on a wideband AM tuner, I have never heard any consistent pre-emphasis curves. 73, Jeff Deck For the best AMAX stereo products, please visit http://meduci.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 15 19:31:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25765 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 03:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 03:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 03:31:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 03:31:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 03:31:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 03:30:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 496 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.9 Subject: Re: WOR/ Buckley's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Right now, ANY improvement is better than the status quo, and once > again, your analysis is subjective. If WOR wants to have an improvement over the status quo, perhaps they should try offering *better programming*! > We have listened to the HD in many listening environments.... > studio, auto, home among them. The "modest" improvement is head > and tails above analog AM. ...only when you are comparing AM IBOC's digital audio to its own purposely-degraded 5 kHz mono analog audio. From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Dec 15 19:46:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24380 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 03:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 03:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 03:46:56 -0000 Received: from [66.6.132.219] (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBG3krau095968 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:46:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <41C103F8.6000408@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:41:44 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR/ Buckley's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here we go again.... that should say Most stations Ohh Never Mind.. Ill let him put foot in Mouth.. Kevin T. wrote: > > >>Right now, ANY improvement is better than the status quo, and once >>again, your analysis is subjective. >> >> > >If WOR wants to have an improvement over the status quo, perhaps they >should try offering *better programming*! > > > >>We have listened to the HD in many listening environments.... >>studio, auto, home among them. The "modest" improvement is head >>and tails above analog AM. >> >> > >...only when you are comparing AM IBOC's digital audio to its own >purposely-degraded 5 kHz mono analog audio. > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 15 19:47:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64983 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 03:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 03:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 03:47:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 03:46:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 03:46:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 03:46:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1537 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.9 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line -double standard X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It will take years for any significant penetration of the market by > digital receivers, because they are horribly expensive. So the > ratios will not change very much for a least a year or two. When > car radios come on line, I bet most people won't even be aware they > have a digital radio, much as most people don't even know they have > AM stereo now. They won't be aware of it because it won't exist. If things had gone as planned, automakers were supposed to be putting IBOC-equipped radios into their cars NOW. But instead, the latest word is that inclusion of IBOC into factory-equipped car radios will likely be pushed back until the 2006 model year (arriving in the Fall of 2005)! So what are automakers putting into their radios instead? That's right -- XM and Sirius satellite radio. It seems that every few weeks, another car company is announcing that they will begin including satellite radio in their new vehicles. And you know what? I believe satellite radio wouldn't be half as popular as it is today if there weren't two providers in hot competition with each other. The result is effective enough that quite a few people are subscribing to both XM and Sirius -- and surely the sign of any technology's success is if people are willing to buy it twice. However, this underlies the important fact that these two satellite radio providers are each offering *unique programming* -- something which IBOC does not have, as content-wise, it is merely a duplicate of existing AM/FM radio. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Dec 15 19:55:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71934 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 03:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 03:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 03:55:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:55:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 03:54:01 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:53:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2004 03:55:02.0519 (UTC) FILETIME=[05482070:01C4E323] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.80 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Rotten Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy Mousie wrote: > Keep in mind that most shortwave broadcasters have to contend with 5kHz channel spacing, True, but there is no excuse for rotten, distorted, muffled audio from a broadcaster with almost unlimited budgets such as Radio Marti! If other US broadcasters such as WYFR, WBCQ, and WWCR can broadcast clean audio, why can't the government? Even the little short wave stations like WINB, WMLK, and WJCR have MUCH better audio than Radio Marti. And there is good ol' WEWN that broadcasts with 12.5Khz bandwidth frequently. It is amazing what Mother Angelica gets away with! > >There are some clean-sounding stations on SW- Not all of them American biblethumpers. True! ORF - Radio Austria International has wonderful audio, as does Radio Canada International and Deutsche Welle. Anyway, you have to give credit where credit is due and WHRI has the best sound of any American short wave station. Their feed of "For The People" with Chuck Harder sounds better than the local AMs. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Dec 15 19:58:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2704 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 03:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 03:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 03:58:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:58:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 03:57:43 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: , Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:57:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2004 03:58:01.0215 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FCAF8F0:01C4E323] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.75 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Interference-Reducing Antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 While surfing and looking for somebody to gripe to about the poor audio on Radio Marti, I found this neat little antenna project! http://www.ibb.gov/engineering/antenna1.html Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mspatoray@sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 15 21:52:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspatoray@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46223 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 05:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 05:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 05:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (mspatoray@sbcglobal.net@64.108.116.206 with login) by smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 05:52:35 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:52:33 -0500 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.80 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178375692 X-Yahoo-Profile: mpatoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, I am just south of Youngstown Ohio, about smack dab between Cleveland and Pittsburgh, the window of my room faces NYC which is why I think I can pick up you guys some times but not WLW Cincy 710 which is closer, but not by that much. I Am probaly going to put up a long wire antenna for reception. Matt On 12/15/04 10:02 PM, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > Matt: > > No offense taken, so don't apologize. I tend to respond in kind, so > please don't take offense to anything I said to you. > > Now that that is over with...... > > Where are you located? It's very cold in NYC tonight, so listening > conditions should be good. > > Tom Ray > WOR > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > ps/S=1705034690:HM/EXP=1103252532/A=2495208/R=0/SIG=11egg01lg/*http://www.netf > lix.com/Default?mqso=60188914> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Dec 15 23:46:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14370 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 07:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 07:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 07:46:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 07:46:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 07:46:39 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36336 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 04:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 04:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 04:31:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 04:31:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 04:31:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:31:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1950 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.9 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Rotten Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Dec 2004 07:46:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Amy Mousie wrote: > > Keep in mind that most shortwave broadcasters have to contend with 5kHz channel spacing, > > True, but there is no excuse for rotten, distorted, muffled audio from a broadcaster with almost unlimited budgets such as Radio Marti! If other US broadcasters such as WYFR, WBCQ, and WWCR can broadcast clean audio, why can't the government? Even the little short wave stations like WINB, WMLK, and WJCR have MUCH better audio than Radio Marti. I always thought VOA sounded better than Marti. WWV/WWVH aren't slouches, either, although they don't need too wide a bandwidth. > And there is good ol' WEWN that broadcasts with 12.5Khz bandwidth frequently. It is amazing what Mother Angelica gets away with! Supposedly, one of these US SW stations has experimented with stereo broadcasting, but since the only SW receiver capable of receiving such signals is Japan Radio's NRD-545, and it's too expensive for most...why bother? > >There are some clean-sounding stations on SW- Not all of them American biblethumpers. > > True! ORF - Radio Austria International has wonderful audio, as does Radio Canada International and Deutsche Welle. Deutsche Welle, CRI and Radio Netherlands always had come to mind, for me. :) Radio Australia's not bad, either. The BBC, however, could stand improvement. > Anyway, you have to give credit where credit is due and WHRI has the best sound of any American short wave station. Their feed of "For The People" with Chuck Harder sounds better than the local AMs. True. Worst-sounding US SW broadcaster I've ever heard in my life? WRNO, paws down. Even Radio Tampa of Japan, a commercial station like WRNO was, sounded MUCH better. (There aren't too many full-blown commercial stations on shortwave- Mostly central/South-American, Australian and Japanese domestic services.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Dec 16 03:33:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57886 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 11:33:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 11:33:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 11:33:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 03:33:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:32:43 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:32:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2004 11:33:00.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF898800:01C4E362] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.80 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Rotten Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > Supposedly, one of these US SW stations has experimented with stereo broadcasting, That was KUSW, now KTBN. KUSW was a commercial rock music station. When TBN took it over, they had a record breaking party in the parking lot. NDXI was to broadcast in Stereo, but became WEWN before it ever got off of the ground. > > Worst-sounding US SW broadcaster I've ever heard in my life? WRNO, paws down. WWRB sounds worse! When they first came on the air, Glen Houser had a field day poking fun at the poor sound of WGTG (now WWRB). While they do sound better with the Harris transmitters, WWRB's home-brew "Conquest" transmitters still sound like sh*t. They DO sound better in the Single Sideband mode, but I have not heard WWRB in Single Side Band in quite a while. > >(There aren't too many full-blown commercial stations on shortwave- Mostly central/South-American, Australian and Japanese domestic services.) Don't forget Africa 1 and the Canadian short waves! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Thu Dec 16 03:47:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55292 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 11:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 11:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.18.187) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 11:47:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 03:47:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.0.17.189 by BAY24-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:46:22 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [badeditproductions@hotmail.com] X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:46:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2004 11:47:00.0452 (UTC) FILETIME=[F415CA40:01C4E364] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.18.187 From: "Joe Collins" X-Originating-IP: [68.0.17.189] Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RECREATING_=22AM_STEREO=22_WITH_COOL_EDIT_PRO!?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can get AM Stereo sound using DSP on a PC? Yep. I have tried many times to achieve it but never came very close to it until I learned the secret of why AM Stereo has that extra special wideness that FM does not. It has to do with the way the signal is transmitted and how that signal is processed. You can process the signal in the same manner and get a very close approximation of that magic sound! Here is a step by step process to how you can do this with Cool Edit Pro. You can probably do this with other audio editors too but since I have Cool Edit I will tell you how to do it with that application. If you find that you can pull this off with something else, let me know. You'll need to start by getting the audio you wish to process into a wave file or files. You can rip directly from CD or record it into your computer from another source. What I have done is to mix music into a 70 minute long wave file, process it and then using EAC, burn it to CD. EAC will allow you to designate track points in long files so you will have several tracks on your CD instead of one long one. If your CD writing software will not allow you to divide long files in this fashion, you can repeat the processing steps for individual files you can then drag into the CD writing software in any order you like. Each file will become a track on the CD you make. Now that you have your audio in wave file form (44.1 sampling rate is standard for burning to CD. You could convert the sampling rate of your original file to 22050. That will give you an 11 Khz bandwidth that more closely recreates the sound of AM stereo and will speed up processing time for all the steps. You'll probably have to reconvert the final product back to 44.1 for burning to CD, though.) You will get the most accurate results if you compress the audio using Cool Edit's Compressor options or with some other more aggressive DSP program. If you chose not to do this, at least make sure the file is normalized to 100% modulation. The louder the audio in the file is, the more pronounced the stereo effect will be after processing. Save the file and restart Cool Edit so you'll begin with a fresh session. Now lets recreate AM Stereo! STEP 1. Starting with an open, pre-processed file, go to the 'Edit' menu or press F11 to open the 'Convert Sample Type' dialog. Convert your file from stereo to mono using a 50% mix for each channel. We just want to convert stereo to mono here so you'll want to make sure that the sampling rate and bit rate stay the same. Save the result of the conversion to a file Called 'Sum' in your work folder. Do not close the original file after saving! The result of this operation is to create the L+R information that will be used to recreate stereo later on. STEP 2. Use the 'Undo' option in the 'Edit' menu to go back to the original stereo version of the audio. Use the mouse to highlight the right channel only. It is important to make sure you are only performing this next step on the right channel and that you have selected all of the right channel audio! Select all the audio in the right channel and then go to the 'Transform' menu. Select 'Invert' from this menu You should now have stereo audio with the right channel 180 degrees out of phase after Cool Edit finishes proseccing. If you play it back, it will sound like you have incorrectly wired your speakers. Now, convert the file to mono using the 'Convert Sample Type' option accessed by pressing F11 as you did in step 1. The result will be a file that seems to be much lower in modulation and will sound very strange if you should listen to it. Do not be surprised to see almost nothing in sections of the audio where you have a mono source. This is the L-R information used to recreate stereo later on the process. Save the results of this step to a file called 'Dif' in your work folder. Close the file and start the next steps in the process with a fresh session. Note: It is very important that you not do anything to this file to change the modulation levels! It may look low to you but don't be tempted to 'Normalize' the audio. STEP 3. Open the file we just created called 'Sum' Go to the 'Transform' menu and select the submenu called 'Amplitude', then select 'Hard Limiting' Set it up as follows: Limit Max Amplitude To = -6 dB; Boost Input By = 0 dB; Look Ahead Time = 7 ms.; Release Time = 200 ms. The 'Link Left & Right' should be ghosted out and is not applicable here. Click 'OK to perform the operation. The result will be a decrease in amplitude on you original audio by 6 dB. Don't be concerned if it looks over compressed. Now save your changes to 'Sum' and open 'Dif' and repeat the processing for that file. You will probably get a lot less amplitude decrease in the 'Dif file than you saw in 'Sum' Close all the files and make sure the changes have been saved. STEP 4. Open the 'Sum' file. It will look lower than normal but do not do anything to change the amplitude or EQ! Access 'Covert Simple Type' by pressing F11. Convert the file to stereo using a 100% mix for both left and right channels. Do not change the sampling rate or bit rate from the original file. We are simple making a dual mono/stereo file at the step. Do not save changes after conversion or close the file. STEP 5. Use the mouse to select all of the audio in both channels for editing. It is very important that ALL of the audio be selected for this step to work properly. After making sure that the entire file has been highlighted, go to the 'Edit' menu and click on 'Mix Paste.' Set the volume slider to 100% and check the 'Invert' box for the RIGHT CHANNEL only. Check the 'Overlap (mix)' box in the lower left-hand corner. Make sure that 'Crossfade' and 'Loop Paste' boxes are deselected. Check 'From File' and select the file we created earlier called 'Dif.' Now, double checking that everything is set properly, click 'OK' to perfume the process. If you are doing this with a particularly long file it might take quite awhile for the PC to perform this step. Be patient. Listen to the finished product to insure that you are hearing stereo sound and that the paste was successful. If all is satisfactory, save your work in a new file and close Cool Edit Pro. You will now have a version of the original file we started out with greatly enhanced stereo sound. It will sound very much like AM stereo because all of the processing we just did mimics the processing that audio goes through when put through an AM Stereo exciter. Enjoy! :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Thu Dec 16 04:32:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96794 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 12:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 12:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 12:32:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 12:32:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 12:32:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:32:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 228 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Rotten Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > I always thought VOA sounded better than Marti. The funny thing is, VOA AND Marti have their SW handled by the same entity: VOA....There is no difference there....Marti does not have any control over their SW transmitters. From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Dec 16 06:52:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35507 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 14:52:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 14:52:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 14:52:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 14:52:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 14:52:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:52:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 409 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.94.94.105 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > You're forgiven.....Christmas Shopping tends to muddle the thought > process. I, personally, keep thinking about the beer I'm going to > need after the shopping is done! Now add the flu to the mix for me - and right now I could care less about C-Quam, IBOC, or any of it. I'm out of town for two weeks, and don't care if I don't see a tower or ground radial the whole time. Have a cold one for me! From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 07:22:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95210 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 15:22:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 15:22:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 15:22:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 15:21:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 15:21:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:21:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 760 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << I spent an hour with them, and a good 30 minutes of that was spent listening to not only the HD signal, but going head to head with the analog signal. >> Was your analog signal the same fidelity as the examples on the iBiquity site? That is, 5 kHz of fidelity or less? Stacking the deck, maybe? But, regardless, I for one have already conceded that IBOC should be good for NYC. Although I think others on this board have made a good case that, if every station in the northeast switched to IBOC, there's no where near the 15 kHz of elbow room needed--and interference would become a major problem. But, Tom, you really need to start explaining why people in clean analog environments need IBOC. Pull yourself out of NYC for at least one post. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 07:49:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44027 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 15:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 15:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 15:49:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 15:46:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 15:46:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:46:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1308 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << If the listener decline in AM radio or, for that matter, FM radio continues the way it has been, terrestrial radio will be in huge trouble in as little as 10 years from now. >> First off, terrestrial radio won't die. Because of civil defense requirements, that can't happen. We don't often think that direction, but air signals have more important uses than spinning records and talking sports. And, secondly, since you like data, let's see if AM is really about to die. And the way we keep score in radio is via Arbitron. NYC--Two AM's in the top 10 (alas, not WOR) Los Angeles--The number TWO station is an AM. Chicago--Three out of the top FIVE are AM. San Francisco--Three AM's in the top SEVEN. Dallas--Like LA, the number TWO station is an AM. Philly--Two of the top SEVEN are AM's. I could go on and on. But, needless to say, your basic contention, that AM is dying a slow death, is baseless. In fact, it's not dying at all. Basically, you need a cleaner signal in NYC. Well, IBOC will be fine. Will you catch WABC? After, checking your line-up, I'm doubting it. But more power to you. Maybe O'Reilly will at least catch Al Franken sometime soon. But there's no compelling need for the rest of us to put our perfectly good radios out on the curb and buy new IBOC units. From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Thu Dec 16 08:16:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44808 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 16:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 16:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 16:16:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 16:15:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 16:15:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:14:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2948 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: DBX encoding and decoding. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Jeff, > Dolby actually used a 25uS pre-emphasis curve. If your FM station > was using a 50uS curve, then I am afraid it would not brighten > the sound through a 75 uS de-emphasis network. Actually, it would > dull the sound further You are, most likely, right about the 25 microsecond curve for=20 Dolby=85 That technology was a little before my time in radio. By the=20 time I got into the engineer's shop, that was pretty much over=20 with. The reason the Chief switched to 50 microseconds at the=20 station I referred to was to dim the high end a bit. I think you=20 misinterpreted what I meant by `warming' the sound up! I didn't=20 understand why he did that=85 We had installed one of the first all=20 digital Orban Optimod 8200's and I think it was literally serial=20 number=20 3! It had a very harsh sounding high end that we couldn't figure=20 out how to soften up so his solution was to change the pre-emphasis=20 curve to make it less crisp=85 It sounded OK but I thought it would=20 have been better to take the time to tweak the processing. As far as AM pre-emphasis goes, NRSC I requires the station to=20 truncate the audio bandwidth at 10 Khz. NRSC II imposes a 75=20 microsecond curve that starts rising at 1 Khz. By the time it gets=20 to 10 Khz, there is a 10 dB boost in the high end. It is my=20 understanding that NRSC I is mandatory but NRSC II is optional=85 I=20 have worked with or installed from scratch, processing at five AM=20 stations, two of those ran stereo and I've implemented NRSC II at=20 all of them. It is my opinion that jacking up the high end helps to=20 compensate for losses from IF filtering in most AM radios. I always=20 have also brought up the low end frequencies by about five or six dB=20 to try and offset the increase in high end. That seems to make the=20 pre-emphasis less noticeable on wideband radios that do not have the=20 corresponding de-emphasis circuit.=20=20 There was a lot of controversy over the NRSC II standard when it was=20 first proposed because it was felt that the curve was too steep and=20 would present lots of processing problems. A solution was arrived=20 at by designing active filters that would effectively `roll back'=20 the curve when there was a significant amount of high end energy in=20 the audio. That is why, even on a completely flat receiver, you=20 don't tend to notice a huge increase in the high end. The active=20 filter/limiter tends to increase the ambient high end energy but=20 does not significantly increase any transient peaks.=20=20 This action results in a dynamically modified curve that does not=20 correspond exactly to the de-emphasis curve the standard calls for=20 in the radio. Therefore, any companding type processing would be=20 adversely effected in the decoding stage. However, in our=20 theoretical AM plus NR system, since the NRSC II standard is=20 voluntary, you could simply dispense with it all together or use a=20 much lower curve like the 25 microsecond one discussed earlier=85 From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 09:34:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32756 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 17:34:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 17:34:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 17:34:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 17:33:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 17:33:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:33:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 402 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << Have you experience an HD signal in person? I suspect not. You shouldn't debate me unless you know the facts and have had the experience. >> I haven't listened to HD in person, only via mp3. But I HAVE heard analog AM and FM in person, and they sound NOTHING like the examples of AM and FM analog on the iBiquity site. Why the dishonesty? Can't you make your case on a level playing field? From tomray@wor710.com Thu Dec 16 10:01:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48416 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 18:01:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 18:01:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 18:01:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 18:00:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 18:00:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:59:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 749 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: WOR/ Buckley's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > If WOR wants to have an improvement over the status quo, perhaps they > should try offering *better programming*! That is something you need to take up with Programming. Not my department. > > > We have listened to the HD in many listening environments.... > > studio, auto, home among them. The "modest" improvement is head > > and tails above analog AM. > > ...only when you are comparing AM IBOC's digital audio to its own > purposely-degraded 5 kHz mono analog audio. Nope. We compare to everyone on the dial. The improvement is still head and tails above analog AM, particularly when you add in no fading under bridges and power lines. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Dec 16 10:03:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97465 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 18:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 18:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 18:03:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 18:02:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 18:02:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:02:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 312 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Rotten Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > > And there is good ol' WEWN that broadcasts with 12.5Khz bandwidth frequently. It is amazing what Mother Angelica gets away with! > > Ahh.....but Kevin....she answers to a higher authority than the FCC that art in DC. TR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Dec 16 10:05:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26842 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 18:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 18:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 18:05:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 18:05:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 18:05:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:05:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 209 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > Have a cold one for me! THAT won't be a problem.....it was 15 degrees at my house this morning when I went out to the car! T From tomray@wor710.com Thu Dec 16 10:11:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89481 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 18:11:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 18:11:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 18:11:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 18:11:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 18:11:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:11:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1657 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > Was your analog signal the same fidelity as the examples on the iBiquity site? That is, > 5 kHz of fidelity or less? Stacking the deck, maybe? The analog signal is what it is. We don't change processing modes or filtering modes for any reason. We did, also, compare the IBOC audio directly to what was being fed to the STL transmitters, and the difference between them was minimal, at best. To say that the ladies were impressed is an understatement. And yes, we did explain to them that they were hearing what we were feeding to the transmitter. > > But, regardless, I for one have already conceded that IBOC should be good for NYC. > Although I think others on this board have made a good case that, if every station in > the northeast switched to IBOC, there's no where near the 15 kHz of elbow room > needed--and interference would become a major problem. > > But, Tom, you really need to start explaining why people in clean analog > environments need IBOC. Pull yourself out of NYC for at least one post. I used to live in Connecticut.....I lived 22 miles from WTIC's transmitter site, and was in the major lobe at night. On a good night, it was difficult to hear the station over the noise floor, and I lived out in the middle of nowhere, which is a description of where I presently live and it is extremely noisy. Try listening to classical on analog V IBOC.....there is no comparison. I have a friend who will be converting his 500 Watt AM....which plays classical....to IBOC within the month. He and station management can't wait. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Dec 16 10:18:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41959 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 18:18:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 18:18:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 18:18:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 18:18:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 18:18:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:18:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2431 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > First off, terrestrial radio won't die. Because of civil defense requirements, that can't > happen. We don't often think that direction, but air signals have more important uses > than spinning records and talking sports. Oh? And, if a station isn't making money, how do they continue to staff the station, maintain the equipment, and pay the power bill for the transmitter? If you turn in your license and no one wants it, do you think the FCC or civil defense authorities will pay to put it back on the air "just in case"? There are no civil defense requirements that state you must continue to operate an unsuccessful business, and there are no requirements that you cannot surrender your license and shut it off. And that is exactly what will start happening. > > And, secondly, since you like data, let's see if AM is really about to die. And the way > we keep score in radio is via Arbitron. > > NYC--Two AM's in the top 10 (alas, not WOR) > Los Angeles--The number TWO station is an AM. > Chicago--Three out of the top FIVE are AM. > San Francisco--Three AM's in the top SEVEN. > Dallas--Like LA, the number TWO station is an AM. > Philly--Two of the top SEVEN are AM's. > > I could go on and on. But, needless to say, your basic contention, that AM is dying a > slow death, is baseless. In fact, it's not dying at all. You need to do more research, and Arbitron isn't God nor the only method available. AM listenership is WAY down even from 10 years ago. It's only a matter of time before we start moving the coffin lid into place. > > Basically, you need a cleaner signal in NYC. We have the most signal concentration of RF of any station in NYC directly over Manhattan and Long Island. Shut off all the electrical noise in NYC (like THAT will happen!), and maybe we'd have a cleaner signal. Well, IBOC will be fine. Will you catch > WABC? After, checking your line-up, I'm doubting it. But more power to you. Maybe > O'Reilly will at least catch Al Franken sometime soon. > > But there's no compelling need for the rest of us to put our perfectly good radios out > on the curb and buy new IBOC units. You are talking programming issues which are not my department. While there is no compelling reason to buy new radios yet, give it time. You want things now, and some things take time. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Dec 16 10:22:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99833 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 18:22:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 18:22:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 18:22:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 18:22:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 18:22:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:22:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1059 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > > << Have you experience an HD signal in person? I suspect not. You shouldn't debate > me unless you know the facts and have had the experience. >> > > I haven't listened to HD in person, only via mp3. But I HAVE heard analog AM and FM > in person, and they sound NOTHING like the examples of AM and FM analog on the > iBiquity site. > > Why the dishonesty? Can't you make your case on a level playing field? I have made my case on a level playing field. Why the conjecture? I open up my offer to you that Kevin T has repeatedly declined. Come and hear it for yourself, then you can rant all you want once you experience it. Kerry and I have an open door policy. If you're close to NYC, I wouldn't see why you wouldn't want to take up an offer to see one of NYC's historic stations. We don't bite. If you're not near NYC, tell me where you are and I can put you in touch with an IBOC station close by. But I bet there will be 300 excuses why you won't. Tom Ray WOR From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Dec 16 10:31:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80129 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 18:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 18:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 18:31:12 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.23.102]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:30:49 -0700 Message-ID: <004601c4e39d$53928b60$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:30:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2004 18:30:50.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E533AE0:01C4E39D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RECREATING "AM STEREO" WITH COOL EDIT PRO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think the original poster was thinking more along the lines of a program that could actually generate some sort of CQuAM signal rather than achieving merely a matrix-processed sound. A program like this, should anyone care to develop it, could be dumped into the exciter of a Harris DAX or other digital transmitter and create a real-world AM stereo signal for all to hear. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Collins" > > You will now have a version of the original file we started out with greatly enhanced stereo sound. It will sound very much like AM stereo because all of the processing we just did mimics the processing that audio goes through when put through an AM Stereo exciter. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 10:31:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14219 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 18:31:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 18:31:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 18:31:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 18:31:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 18:31:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:31:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 779 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << You need to do more research, and Arbitron isn't God nor the only method available. AM listenership is WAY down even from 10 years ago. It's only a matter of time before we start moving the coffin lid into place. >> Oh, but Arbitron DOES mean something in this conversation. For instance, though I wouldn't call WOR an extremely successful station, it DOES outperform quite a few FM's in the NYC market. By your reasoning, I guess those FM's ought to pack it up. The AM and FM dials are more crowded than ever--market oversaturation. That's why some owners might want to turn in their AM's to the FCC. Not because AM's can no longer make money. AM's are still highly competitive at the top of the ratings--that's all that matters. Spare us the coffin rhetoric. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 10:34:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85142 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 18:34:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 18:34:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 18:34:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 18:34:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 18:34:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:34:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 273 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << The analog signal is what it is. We don't change processing modes or filtering modes for any reason. >> Nice side step. But you know exactly what I'm talking about. You were listening to an AM radio with a narrow bandwidth, weren't you? Looking for honesty here. From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Dec 16 10:52:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83005 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 18:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 18:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 18:52:56 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.23.102]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:52:53 -0700 Message-ID: <006401c4e3a0$692f5a40$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:52:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2004 18:52:55.0214 (UTC) FILETIME=[73E904E0:01C4E3A0] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I still like the suggestion that WTTM and WOR play the same Christmas tune and someone can record the IBOC and the CQuAM, each on a decent radio for us to compare. You did mention in a later post that you did a dial scan, but with what kind of receiver? I still don't think it's comparing apples to apples. I'm not beyond convincing, but I know what I'd need to hear in order to make my decision. Was anything ever set in stone as to whether or not this comparison was going to be made- choice of whatever song, or even if we had someone who could do this? I'm not beyond convincing, but this is the type of test I'm waiting for to make my decision. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" > We had 40 members of a women's group come in the other day....age > ranges from 35-70. I wasn't supposed to be involved in the > meeting....until they started peppering the Morning show crew with > questions about this "HD Radio WOR talks about". I spent an hour with > them, and a good 30 minutes of that was spent listening to not only > the HD signal, but going head to head with the analog signal. I did > not tell any of them what to expect ahead of time. They all had the > same thing to say.....that it sounded like an FM station and was much > better to listen to. And women's hearing is much more acute than that > of men. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 11:41:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99520 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 19:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 19:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 19:41:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 19:41:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 19:40:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:40:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 322 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << If you're not near NYC, tell me where you are and I can put you in touch with an IBOC station close by. >> Dallas. And, to my knowledge, we don't have an IBOC AM. KAAM might become the first, but its waiting for night IBOC to get the okay from the FCC. We DO have an IBOC FM... 97.9 The Beat, a Hip Hop station. From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Thu Dec 16 12:22:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41228 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 20:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 20:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 20:22:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 20:22:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 20:22:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:22:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004601c4e39d$53928b60$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 392 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: RECREATING "AM STEREO" WITH COOL EDIT PRO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions I thought I was the original poster! I didn't know anyone was=20 looking for a DSP AM stereo generator=85 This is just for fun. By the=20 way, if you want even more stereo enhancement, you can boost the=20 input on the hard limiter when you process the `Dif' signal by 2 or=20 3 dB=85 Let me know what you think if you try it yourself. It works=20 best on stuff with moderate stereo imaging.=20=20 JC From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Dec 16 13:27:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28959 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 21:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 21:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 21:27:20 -0000 Received: from [66.6.132.219] (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBGLRYBi000622 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:27:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <41C1FCB0.9060607@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:22:56 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <006401c4e3a0$692f5a40$d503fea9@home1> In-Reply-To: <006401c4e3a0$692f5a40$d503fea9@home1> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Next week Friday WTTM will play X-mas music for the day... thats when you have your shot.. Neal-CE Scott Todd wrote: >I still like the suggestion that WTTM and WOR play the same Christmas tune >and someone can record the IBOC and the CQuAM, each on a decent radio for us >to compare. You did mention in a later post that you did a dial scan, but >with what kind of receiver? I still don't think it's comparing apples to >apples. I'm not beyond convincing, but I know what I'd need to hear in >order to make my decision. Was anything ever set in stone as to whether or >not this comparison was going to be made- choice of whatever song, or even >if we had someone who could do this? I'm not beyond convincing, but this is >the type of test I'm waiting for to make my decision. > >Scott Todd > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tom Ray" > > > >>We had 40 members of a women's group come in the other day....age >>ranges from 35-70. I wasn't supposed to be involved in the >>meeting....until they started peppering the Morning show crew with >>questions about this "HD Radio WOR talks about". I spent an hour with >>them, and a good 30 minutes of that was spent listening to not only >>the HD signal, but going head to head with the analog signal. I did >>not tell any of them what to expect ahead of time. They all had the >>same thing to say.....that it sounded like an FM station and was much >>better to listen to. And women's hearing is much more acute than that >>of men. >> >> > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bradleyj2@aol.com Thu Dec 16 13:47:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45812 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 21:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 21:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 21:47:14 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id r.1ec.306fc4c0 (16112) for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d22.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.163]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v103.7) with ESMTP id MAILINID124-3ef041c2023621c; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:46:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:46:30 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2B8D6BED.0C714BD3.022E759B@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 216.108.210.98 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.8 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 In a message dated 12/16/2004 1:22:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Tom Ray" writes: > > > >I have made my case on a level playing field.  Why the conjecture?  I >open up my offer to you that Kevin T has repeatedly declined.  Come >and hear it for yourself, then you can rant all you want once you >experience it.  Kerry and I have an open door policy.  If you're close >to NYC, I wouldn't see why you wouldn't want to take up an offer to >see one of NYC's historic stations.  We don't bite.  If you're not >near NYC, tell me where you are and I can put you in touch with an >IBOC station close by.  But I bet there will be 300 excuses why you won't. > >Tom Ray >WOR > > > And I personally know that Tom is honest about that! My GM's daughter went to NY...I e-mailed Tom and he showed her the whole setup! These guys are in market #1...They don't have to do that...But they make the effort. And I thank them for that...Now if I could only make it to NY...Vacation time comes after the arbitron book lol - Brad Jackson - Afternoon Drive/Imaging Director - WKMX-FM Dothan, AL From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 15:40:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24029 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 23:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 23:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 23:40:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 23:40:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 23:40:24 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25745 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 21:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 21:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 21:02:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 21:01:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 21:01:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:01:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 692 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: RECREATING "AM STEREO" WITH COOL EDIT PRO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Dec 2004 23:40:24 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: >=20 > I thought I was the original poster! I didn't know anyone was=20 > looking for a DSP AM stereo generator=85 This is just for fun. By > the=20 > way, if you want even more stereo enhancement, you can boost the=20 > input on the hard limiter when you process the `Dif' signal > by 2 or=20 > 3 dB=85 Let me know what you think if you try it yourself. It > works=20 > best on stuff with moderate stereo imaging.=20=20 >=20 > JC Can you recreate the fact that some instruments are entirely in one channel sometimes with this? For example Avril Lavigne - Sk8er Boi - 2nd verse has a guitar alternating left, right, left, etc... From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 15:40:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28710 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 23:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 23:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 23:40:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 23:40:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 23:40:34 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28046 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 18:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2004 18:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 18:39:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 18:39:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2004 18:39:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:39:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 644 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.216 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Rotten Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Dec 2004 23:40:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > > I always thought VOA sounded better than Marti. > > The funny thing is, VOA AND Marti have their SW handled by the same > entity: VOA....There is no difference there....Marti does not have > any control over their SW transmitters. Odd, but very true. They are also run by the same people. That's what gets me, that Marti could sound worse than VOA, and they're from the same department, using the same transmitters.... Maybe they thought since Latin American radio is often so badly broadcast, that they would think the Cubans wouldn't mind. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 16:24:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41087 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2004 00:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2004 00:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2004 00:24:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2004 00:24:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2004 00:24:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:24:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 562 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.9 Subject: Re: RECREATING "AM STEREO" WITH COOL EDIT PRO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Joe, it sounds like you are going through an extraordinary amount of steps just to matrix and de-matrix the audio. In Cool Edit 2000 and Cool Edit Pro, this can be accomplished much easier -- when you have the stereo waveform on the screen, click Transform / Amplitude / Channel Mixer and then select "LR to Mid-Side" and click OK. This matrixes the channels into L+R and L-R in one easy step. And de-matrixing the audio back into the conventional Left and Right channels is just as easy -- in the same Channel Mixer window, select "Mid-Side to LR". From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Dec 16 17:12:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95001 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2004 01:12:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2004 01:12:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2004 01:12:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:12:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:11:38 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:11:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2004 01:12:00.0724 (UTC) FILETIME=[694A6940:01C4E3D5] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.90 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Mother Angelica's WEWN Was: Rotten Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Ray wrote: > Ahh.....but Kevin....she answers to a higher authority than the FCC that art in DC. I am sure the ONLY reason the FCC does not go after her is they don't want this news teaser on TV: Video of Mother Angelica crying on screen as the announcer says "The Bush administration's FCC closed down and fined WEWN - World Wide Catholic Radio today leaving thousands of listeners around the globe wondering what happened to their only connection to the church....Film at 11." Wouldn't that look nice for PR purposes? It would sure piss off a BUNCH of Catholics if the governement busted a Nun. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Thu Dec 16 17:30:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26187 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2004 01:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2004 01:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2004 01:30:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2004 01:30:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2004 01:30:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:29:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 349 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: RECREATING "AM STEREO" WITH COOL EDIT PRO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Thanks Kev! I was unaware of that shortcut in Channel Mixer! That's a part of=20 the program I don't use very often... That does make things a hell=20 of a lot simpler=85 All you have to do is run the Hard Limiting with=20 the channels unlinked and it does exactly the same thing as my `go=20 around your butt to get to you elbow' method=85 Thanks! JC From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Dec 16 18:09:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29668 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2004 02:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2004 02:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2004 02:09:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:09:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 02:08:23 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:08:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2004 02:09:00.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FB520C0:01C4E3DD] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.79 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Ray wrote: > I lived out in the middle of nowhere, which is a description of where I presently live and it is extremely noisy. Yes, if it isn't buzzy power lines and transformers, it is electric fences. It is amazing how far an electric fence can transmit it's "POP...POP...POP...POP...POP"! > >I have a friend who will be converting his 500 Watt AM....which plays classical....to IBOC within the month. Classical listeners are the most fickle audience a station can have. It will be interesting to see how many bitch about the reduction in analog fidelity and how many will bitch about digital artifacts. I still miss 1560 WQXR. Can you post some air checks of the station? There is just something about listening to Beethoven on AM :-) Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Dec 16 18:25:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57074 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2004 02:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2004 02:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2004 02:25:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:25:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 02:24:03 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:24:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2004 02:25:00.0928 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C188000:01C4E3DF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.85 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Ray wrote: >AM listenership is WAY down even from 10 years ago. It's only a matter of time before we start moving the coffin lid into place. How true! AM listeners up North that have not heard AM in the South just can't understand how BAD it is. Other than the local Rush outlet, there are very few AM listeners left. AM here in Tampa sure sucks! Sports programming and Rush are the only things keeping the lights on at our local English stations. While the Spanish stations are not doing too bad for themselves, all it would take is one of the FMs to put a Tropical music format on in Spanish or "Spanglish" and sound something like WPRM-FM 98.5 in San Juan, Puerto Rico and the Spanish AMs would be silent within a month. > >Shut off all the electrical noise in NYC (like THAT will happen!), and maybe we'd have a cleaner signal. The last time that happened, it made International news! LOL Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Dec 16 18:32:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83820 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2004 02:32:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2004 02:32:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2004 02:32:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:32:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 02:31:58 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:31:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2004 02:32:00.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[96437800:01C4E3E0] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.89 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: >Come and hear it for yourself, then you can rant all you want once you experience it. Kerry and I have an open door policy. If you're close to NYC, I wouldn't see why you wouldn't want to take up an offer to see one of NYC's historic stations. We don't bite. If I was closer than 996 miles from WOR and I didn't work 6 days a week, I sure would LOVE to take the "Nickel Tour" of WOR. I would also HAVE to stop by WTTM on the way! :-) Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Dec 16 18:46:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37925 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2004 02:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2004 02:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2004 02:46:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:46:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 02:45:53 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:45:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2004 02:46:00.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AF5DFE0:01C4E3E2] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.81 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Douglas wrote: > though I wouldn't call WOR an extremely successful station, it DOES outperform quite a few FM's in the NYC market. These days, any AM that black ink in their books instead of red is "extremely successful". Still if I wwas in Buckly's shoes, I would find a PD that could make better numbers. > > The AM and FM dials are more crowded than ever--market oversaturation. That's why some owners might want to turn in their AM's to the FCC. Not because AM's can no longer make money. The ONLY reason owners are turning in their AMs are to make room for bigger stations to grow, or the station can't afford to keep the power bill payed. > > AM's are still highly competitive at the top of the ratings--that's all that matters. Other than the top one or two AMs in a market, the others are dying a slow death. When the money formats (CHR, AC, Country, Urban, Rock) went to FM, AM stations started to die on the vine. We now have a whole generation that has NEVER listened to AM radio! The only thing they know about AM is it is the weird setting that makes that loud BUZZ and the display light up "530" when you install a new car stereo and turn it on the first time. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 19:31:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34198 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2004 03:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2004 03:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2004 03:31:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2004 03:31:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2004 03:31:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 03:31:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1212 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.9 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Try listening to > classical on analog V IBOC.....there is no comparison. I have a > friend who will be converting his 500 Watt AM....which plays > classical....to IBOC within the month. He and station management > can't wait. ...can't wait to lose all their listeners, that is. You think AM is too noisy for classical music, try listening to an AM signal filled with the constant hiss of an IBOC signal! Listeners who invested in high-quality receivers (i.e. GE Superadio) will suddenly be unpleasantly surprised to find their favorite AM station's audio ruined by the constant sound of a hisssssing snake... at least during daytime hours, that is. And now that it's December, we're already being given a perfect example of how AM IBOC will behave under nighttime skywave conditions. This morning, the skywaves were still very much active at 9:00 AM, causing nighttime reception conditions over 2-1/2 hours after local sunrise. It was an interesting experience to listen to 1530 WSAI from Ohio on my car radio here in NJ on the way to work, during broad daylight with the sun shining brightly! WSAI was even coming in strongly enough to clobber the signal of local daytimer 1530 WJDM. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 19:44:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64196 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2004 03:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2004 03:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2004 03:44:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2004 03:43:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2004 03:43:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 03:43:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 693 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.9 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have made my case on a level playing field. Why the conjecture? > I open up my offer to you that Kevin T has repeatedly declined. Get your facts straight, Tom. I stated _very clearly_ right on this forum that I would be glad to visit WOR, as soon as you begin transmitting stereo audio. And now that WOR is finally producing its audio in stereo, the ball is in your court. E-mail me and maybe we can set something up. It'd have to be at night or on a weekend, though, as I am now working full-time for a law firm. And on second though, scratch off "at night", since it's kinda hard to show off IBOC at a time of the day when the FCC prohibits you from transmitting it. :-) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 19:51:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62741 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2004 03:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2004 03:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2004 03:51:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2004 03:50:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2004 03:50:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 03:50:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004601c4e39d$53928b60$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 742 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.9 Subject: Re: {AMSF} RECREATING "AM STEREO" WITH COOL EDIT PRO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I think the original poster was thinking more along the lines of a > program that could actually generate some sort of CQuAM signal > rather than achieving merely a matrix-processed sound. One thing I've been looking for is some sort of DSP algorithm, preferably useable within Cool Edit, which can apply a 90-degree phase shift to the audio waveform. Cool Edit can easily do a 180-degree phase shift, but not a 90-degree phase shift. It would also be nice to have a plugin which provides vocal assymmetry removal -- a.k.a. the Kahn "Symmetra-Peak" effect. On today's CDs I see that vocal waveforms are almost always perfectly symmetrical, so they must be using something like that in the recording studio, perhaps within ProTools. From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 21:33:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5171 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2004 05:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2004 05:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2004 05:33:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 62592 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2004 05:33:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=FyyNgy3nkxuw5orSpEwr72ovqaPOUhDFUTAqk7M2n3JG8QZLIBBqWvcEqqCyGf70nr7/5GONn5nygmgLwkQc829goBAiWKwUTA38jIY+gS06X3xkRtbDv/TYe8/bAy/nvn+R9DHgXW6/pSXU6GVSg/V1/hgzEAxm4DTOCRHdU6E= ; Message-ID: <20041217053310.62590.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.117] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:33:10 PST Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:33:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" > wrote: > > Have a cold one for me! > THAT won't be a problem.....it was 15 degrees at my > house this morning > when I went out to the car! > T It was 19 this morning in Columbia. The car I call the Titanic ( 82 Olds wagon ) started fine, it just loves to leave black spots when it's cold. I have to fix the choke and the vaccum leaks. On a 1982 full size Olds wagon ( body style made through 1990 BTW) what AM stereo radio will fit without ANY mods. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From goodkev2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 22:46:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: goodkev2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43415 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2004 06:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2004 06:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2004 06:46:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2004 06:46:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2004 06:46:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:46:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1A3B6CF82D867E4DA14E074DE01D1728233C82@aubwm208.apac.corp.eds.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2483 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "kevin" X-Originating-IP: 24.24.90.32 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Avalability of Low Power AM Stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199318638 X-Yahoo-Profile: goodkev2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > I agree, it's more of a "software" defined modulator. > > It's been done for FM Stereo already! Check this link out! > http://www.heinecke.nl/stereocoder_en.html > > Maybe he's interested in an AM Stereo version? :P > > Then you'd have an instant "CQUAM" encoder in your PC! > > Cheers, > > Matt > > I've downloaded that and it works like a charm! Very good sound and it's easy to use, does wonders for my Part-15 FM station. Kevin J. > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Mousie [mailto:amymousie@y...] > Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 7:03 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Avalability of Low Power AM Stereo transmitters > > -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" > wrote: > > Of course the best way to ensure AM Stereo survives is for a budding > > software engineer to write an open source DSP based transmitter, > like we > > have started to see recently for DRM (eg DREAM) > > Which I wsouldn't truly call "DSP", but moreso a means to render one's > soundcard as a low-IF OFDM modulator (much like tone and FSK generation), > rather than a digitally-generated analog IF signal (although DReaM is > beginning to implement narrowband FM, which WOULD effectively be > DSP-generated FM). > > Is it possible to make a DSP-based AM stereo modulator? Yes, it is, but it > requires a sound card better than what most have (you'll need a 96kHz > MINIMUM sampling rate), as you're going to make the carrier about 30kHz. > (You need to have the lowest point in the bandwidth equal to or higher than > the highest audio frequency you intend to pass through.) The DSP generation > of the AM sidebands will require a very powerful computer to deal withy it. > To generate stereo, you'll only have the two sidebands to deal with. It > MIGHT be possible to DSP the quadrature, but at the very least, you could > generate a non- phased ISB! > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- ~--> > Listen to Internet Radio! Access to your favorite Artists! > Click to listen to LAUNCHcast now! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/_mKGzA/GARHAA/kkyPAA/CPMolB/TM > ------------------------------------------------------------------- -~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 17 07:35:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58255 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2004 15:35:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2004 15:35:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14222.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.106) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2004 15:35:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 36124 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2004 15:35:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Ho/aoEsCJcJcXMRgUOmyo/pMBpvH0wogWnI/X6P2Lmh0RyCYdh2tlA7ofRFWNjAjiQcl2UayXKsra0f4sMUVLHijiyJ6mFdE3gWWo2GlXYa3K1Ya39P1CEkwD9dB8v6bHOK/pkYOHRkn5xmZgTWfgPfLTyAnLp8N3/2WgjnBjew= ; Message-ID: <20041217153502.36122.qmail@web14222.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web14222.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:35:02 PST Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:35:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.171.106 From: "John P." Subject: Christmas Song for Comparison X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Suggestion to our engineers at broadcast facilities: Could all of our Stereo AM stations (whether C-Quam, IBOC, Harris, or Kahn) please broadcast the stereo version of the Christmas song "Do You Hear What I Hear?" by Bing Crosby? This song has fairly decent dynamic range and excellent separation. Hopefully all of our AM stations can broadcast it and also record it - uncompressed - for future comparison after the holidays. Please contact me off-list (ASAP) if you need a copy for broadcast. Season's Greetings John P. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Fri Dec 17 08:49:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22589 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2004 16:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2004 16:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2004 16:49:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2004 16:49:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2004 16:49:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:48:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 8917 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: Avalability of Low Power AM Stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions > It's been done for FM Stereo already! Check this link out! > > http://www.heinecke.nl/stereocoder_en.html > >=20 > > Maybe he's interested in an AM Stereo version? :P > >=20 > > Then you'd have an instant "CQUAM" encoder in your PC! AM stereo and FM stereo are very different animals=85 I didn't really=20 think about it until I went to that link but you really couldn't get=20 a PC to generate AM stereo. You can generate FM stereo baseband with=20 a PC that can put out the bandwidth from its sound card, though Here's why: FM stereo is encoded at very low levels. In fact, it's=20 usually done at the studio in the processing just before it's sent=20 to the transmitter. It goes from the STL (Studio/Transmitter Link)=20 to the exciter where the baseband that was encoded at the station is=20 FM modulated and sent on to the transmitter. An FM transmitter is=20 really nothing more than a big linear amplifier that gets the=20 exciter's signal up to operating power. An FM exciter puts out=20 around 50 watts of power and can be used as a low power transmitter=20 all by its self. I've known stations to take an exciter and hook it=20 straight up to an antenna in an emergency just so they could get=20 back on the air.=20=20 Broadcast stereo works by first matrixing the audio into two=20 channels called L+R (Sum) and L-R (Difference) which are both=20 broadcast through a transmitter at the same time but in such a way=20 that they do not interfere with one another. If you want to goof=20 around with matrixing audio, go and look at the RECREATING "AM=20 STEREO"=85 thread I started yesterday=85 The Sum channel represents a mono signal. If you listen to a stereo=20 FM or AM station on a mono radio, you are listening to the sum of=20 the left and right channels in the original stereo program. If you=20 have a stereo radio, that radio has the ability to detect and=20 separate the difference channel and use it to un-matrix the audio=20 and return it to discrete left and right. So what is the basic operating principal that allows two channels of=20 audio to be put through the same transmitter on the same frequency?=20=20 It's just this simple: An AM radio cannot detect and demodulate FM=20 and an FM radio cannot detect and demodulate AM! So in FM=20 stereocasting, the stereo information (difference channel) is=20 broadcast in Double Side Band AM. The 19 KHz pilot tone is=20 multiplied to 38 KHz in your radio and becomes the carrier for the=20 AM sidebands that are centered at 38 KHz above the main FM carrier.=20=20 That Double Side Band AM modulation happens at very low power in the=20 stereo encoder and is mixed with the sum channel (unmodulated at=20 this point) and sent to the stereo exciter for FM modulation. The=20 exciter simply injects the DSB AM signal at 38 KHz above the FM=20 carrier into the FM signal after modulation and sends it to the=20 transmitter for further amplification. Your radio then looks for=20 the pilot tone and if it finds it, it then locks it up to the AM=20 sidebands, recreating a full AM signal which is then demodulated and=20 sent on to the de-matrixing circuit. Bang! You got FM stereo AM Stereo is a little more complicated because it works in reverse=20 from FM stereo. In an AM stereo transmission system, the audio is sent through the=20 STL as discrete left and right channels. Most of the audio=20 processing happens at the transmitter site just before it is sent to=20 the exciter. The final stage of the processor first matrixes the=20 audio into sum and difference channels then applies 6 dB of limiting=20 to those channels independently. The processed audio in matrix form=20 is sent to the exciter where it is split off and sent to different=20=20 stages in the transmitter itself. The sum channel is sent to the=20 standard audio inputs you would use if you were running in mono and=20 is AM modulated in the same fashion it always has been. AM=20 modulation occurs in the final power tube stage of the transmitter=20 where the carrier is mixed with the audio frequency at very high=20 power. This is called plate modulation. There are other schemes=20 for modulating AM radio but all of them do it very near the final=20 amplification stage and it's always done at high power.=20=20 To get the difference channel on the same carrier as our fully=20 modulated AM signal, the AM stereo system uses Quadrature Phase=20 Modulation which is related to FM modulation and therefore cannot be=20 detected by an AM radio. The difference signal is modulated in the=20 exciter as PM and injected into the transmitter at a low power stage=20 where it is mixed with the main carrier which goes on to be=20 amplified to full power and then modulated with the sum audio as AM=20 just before being sent to the antenna. Your AM stereo radio works very much like an FM stereo radio but in=20 reverse. The radio looks for a 25 Hz pilot tone that is injected=20 into the AM carrier when the sum audio leaves the exciter. If it=20 detects the pilot, it then turns on the PM detector circuit in the=20 radio. The PM detector demodulates the difference audio channel and=20 sends it on to the de-matrixing circuits which output the audio as=20 discrete stereo. Bang! You got AM stereo. One other factor that must be taken into account with AM stereo is=20 power. When we say an AM station runs at 1,000 watts we are really=20 saying that the station uses a 1,000 watt carrier. In order to=20 modulate that carrier, the transmitter has to amplify the audio sent=20 to it up to 1,000 watts before it gets mixed with the carrier in the=20 final output stage. Therefore, a fully modulated AM signal with a=20 carrier of 1,000 watts will actually be 2,500 watts! A 50,000 watt=20 AM station actually puts out 250,000 watts of power when fully=20 modulated. Fully modulating your AM signal can increase your=20 coverage by almost twice as much. FM does not change carrier power=20 with modulation The power is the same whether the audio is at 100%=20 or 0% modulation, In fact, what is considered 100% modulation for FM=20 is an arbitrary amount of deviation of the carrier frequency. So, an=20 FM station can conceivably run at 150% modulation without distorting=20 the audio. Try that with AM and it will be totally distorted! When audio is matrixed, there is a curious thing that can happen=20 with modulation. The sum channel is simply the right and left=20 channel mixed together. Each discreet channel represents 50% of the=20 sum so if you are sending exactly the same audio in both left and=20 right (A guy talking on the mike that is panned to the center of the=20 stereo image, for instance.) the left and right channels will equal=20 100% before the matrix network and the sum channel will equal 100%=20 after the matrix network. The difference channel will be silent=20 because there is no `difference' between the left and right input=20 channels. If the sum channel is then sent on to an AM transmitter,=20 the AM carrier will then be modulated to 100%. So far, so good=85 However, if the guy talking on the mike pans his voice over to just=20 the left channel just to be stupid, the left will be at 100% and the=20 right will be at 0% before the matrix network. The sum channel will=20 be at 50% and the difference channel will also be at 50% after=20 matrixing. If we now send the sum audio on to the AM transmitter,=20 we'll be modulating the carrier by only 50% now. We have lost some=20 of our coverage area because our AM carrier is not fully modulated=20 and the output power from the transmitter is down to 75 percent of=20 what it would be at full modulation=85 Not good! This problem is easily fixed in the AM stereo system by separately=20 limiting the matrixed audio by six dB (A 50% power increase equals=20 six dB.) before it is sent to the exciter. Now the transmitter will=20 always get 100% modulation on the AM carrier from the sum channel.=20 When our idiot DJ pans his voice all the way to the left channel on=20 the board, the limiting will bring the audio back up to 100% in the=20 matrix sum channel. The effect of this sort of independent limiting of the matrix is=20 that in your radio, this turkey will now sound as though he six dB=20 louder than if he was in the middle of the stereo image where he=20 belongs. He will sound the same in mono because the litier will=20 bring the level up to 100%. (I think I'm gonna have to go in the=20 studio and rip the pan pots out of the board so he can't play with=20 them anymore!) On music, in stereo, this scheme makes for some=20 interesting effects and generally `enhances' the perceived=20 separation! That's' why I posted my little thing about how to=20 recreate AM stereo=85 To show how you could mimic the effect.=20=20 You really couldn't have a DSP version of an AM stereo encoder=20 because, technically, there is no such thing as an AM stereo=20 encoder! For that matter, an AM stereo exciter is really a PM=20 modulator and does not `excite' the carrier like an FM exciter does=85=20 It just `adds' PM to the carrier. So we cold call this device a AM=20 stereo `Adder!' From mrcomment@yahoo.com Fri Dec 17 12:42:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47471 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2004 20:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2004 20:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2004 20:42:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2004 20:41:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2004 20:41:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:41:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1208 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "mrcomment" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.132.97 Subject: Re: RECREATING "AM STEREO" WITH COOL EDIT PRO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338 X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > I think the original poster was thinking more along the lines of a > > program that could actually generate some sort of CQuAM signal > > rather than achieving merely a matrix-processed sound. > > One thing I've been looking for is some sort of DSP algorithm, > preferably useable within Cool Edit, which can apply a 90-degree > phase shift to the audio waveform. Cool Edit can easily do a > 180-degree phase shift, but not a 90-degree phase shift. > > It would also be nice to have a plugin which provides vocal > assymmetry removal -- a.k.a. the Kahn "Symmetra-Peak" effect. > On today's CDs I see that vocal waveforms are almost always > perfectly symmetrical, so they must be using something like that > in the recording studio, perhaps within ProTools. A 90-degree phase shift of a signal across all frequencies is more properly known as a Hilbert transform. If your software can handle an arbitrary FIR filter, then you can approximate this; the more taps in the filter, the more accurate the phase shift, but the longer the processing delay. Just search on Hilbert transform and get the coefficients. From mrcomment@yahoo.com Fri Dec 17 12:53:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13123 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2004 20:53:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2004 20:53:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2004 20:53:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2004 20:52:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2004 20:52:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:51:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2203 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "mrcomment" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.132.97 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338 X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Douglas wrote: > > though I wouldn't call WOR an extremely successful station, it DOES > outperform quite a few FM's in the NYC market. > > These days, any AM that black ink in their books instead of red is > "extremely successful". Still if I wwas in Buckly's shoes, I would find a PD > that could make better numbers. > > > > The AM and FM dials are more crowded than ever--market oversaturation. > That's why some owners might want to turn in their AM's to the FCC. Not > because AM's can no longer make money. > > The ONLY reason owners are turning in their AMs are to make room for bigger > stations to grow, or the station can't afford to keep the power bill payed. > > > > AM's are still highly competitive at the top of the ratings-- that's all > that matters. > > Other than the top one or two AMs in a market, the others are dying a slow > death. When the money formats (CHR, AC, Country, Urban, Rock) went to FM, AM > stations started to die on the vine. We now have a whole generation that has > NEVER listened to AM radio! The only thing they know about AM is it is the > weird setting that makes that loud BUZZ and the display light up "530" when > you install a new car stereo and turn it on the first time. > > Kevin in Tampa > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn These AM IBOC zealots just don't get it. They think IBOC is going to save them, but they seem completely ignorant of the fact that the very same technology is going to double or triple the number of stations on the FM dial, setting AM on its course to the dust pile. Yeah, you need a new radio to pick the second, third, and fourth audio channels (all of which will be equal or better to AM IBOC audio quality), but you need one to hear AM IBOC too. Furthermore, they'll be able to add additional coverage by just dropping in on another SAC channel; and in this era of mega-groups, that won't be a problem. The next gen of IBOC receivers are all coming out with FM supplemental audio built-in. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 17 16:58:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 75299 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2004 00:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2004 00:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 00:58:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2004 00:58:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2004 00:58:19 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81888 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2004 20:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2004 20:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2004 20:00:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2004 19:59:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2004 19:59:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:59:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3134 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.216 Subject: Re: Avalability of Low Power AM Stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Dec 2004 00:58:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: =snip= There are a series of inaccuracies, particularly with AM, notably the power output of the sidebands (which are not, and are nevber equal to that of the carrier-- An AM carrier carries 2/3 the total energy of a broadcasted AM signal), but I really don't have much time to get into too much here, other than these things: 1: The princible difference between FM and AM stereo is as simple as subcarriers vs. polarization. As mentioned, FM stereo is a series of subcarriers- A baseband with at least two subcarriers (pilot and L-R difference), with up to 3 more subcarriers (RDS, SCA 1 and SCA 2), ALL of which are modulated as a single frequency-modulated carrier. FM is limited in allowable modulation, as the power levels of all carriers must not exceed 100% TOTAL (although some fudging is allowed for use of the RDS and SCA subcarriers), thus whatever you put into an FM carrier affects the toital output. This is why FM stereo has a weaker reach than mono FM. For AM stereo, however, it's not truly phased modulation (although this was Motorola's own model), but an out-of-phase AM co-carrier. This effectively means quadrature AM works exactly the same way as polarized lenses, if you've ever played with them. Why? The carrier is modulated circularly- even polarization at all radiant angles. In AM stereo, the two co-carriers modulate the in-phase (vertical) polarization and an out of phase polarization at exactly 90 degrees, or 1/4 circle-- Quadrature. This can be achievedc by a true QuAM modulator, or a quadrature-0phased modulator. Regardless, both methods produce both phase and amplitude modulation, thus achieving its goal. The reasonj for this is that amplitude will produce a phase relation difference to the other carrier, and will seem phase- modulated. Conversely, the same occurs with a phjase-modulated signal being detected as an out-of-phase AM signal. For AM stereo, however, only the in-phase sidebands modulate the envelope, which the out-of-phase modulation causes little interference. With further interference-reducing techniques (ie: cosine distortion and correction), C-QUAM becomes compatible with mono envelope detectors. A C-QUAM chip has four detectors, not counting pilot: Envelope (AM), Sync in-phase (I), Sync out-of-phase (Q), and phase (PM). Sounds like too many detectors, but all keep each other in check. The actual modulations demodulated are Envelope and Q. The other two act as correctors. It is true that FM is dependent on the stereo pilot to demodulate FM stereo, since its first harmonic acts as carrier for the suppressed- carrier dual-sideband to become (gasp!) AM, but for AM stereo, it's only necessary to turn on the stereo decoding process, and not actually necessary in the full demodulation of AM stereo, as there are a number of AMS radios that don't use pilot detection. It should also be possible to defeat the pilot detector by retuning it from 25Hz to 0Hz, and be able to demodulate on carrier detection. Anyhoo.. Later. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Dec 17 18:49:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95704 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2004 02:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2004 02:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.76) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 02:49:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:49:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 02:48:02 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:48:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2004 02:49:00.0758 (UTC) FILETIME=[20B6DF60:01C4E4AC] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.76 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Avalability of Low Power AM Stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 JC wrote: >There are other schemes for modulating AM radio but all of them do it very near the final amplification stage and it's always done at high power. NEVER say "always"! The Harris Vanguard series transmitters from the 1970s used a small exciter that put out a complete modulated AM signal that was about a Watt or so. The exciter was in it's own little 19" rack mount cabinet and can be used as a stand alone 1 Watt AM transmitter! The exciter fed into a driver stage into a Class A-B Linear amplifier built around a 4CX3000A tube. All you have to do to convert a Vanguard to AM Stereo is replace the exciter signal with the sample output of an AM Stereo exciter. It is a plug and play conversion! The bad thing is the Vanguard was hands down the very worst transmitter Harris - Gates ever produced! Not only were they power hungry electricity hogs, Vanguards have produced some very spectacular fireworks displays in the transmitter rooms of many AM radio stations! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Dec 17 19:26:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76927 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2004 03:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2004 03:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 03:26:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:26:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 03:25:42 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:25:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2004 03:26:00.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BCEE0D0:01C4E4B1] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.90 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mrcomment wrote: > These AM IBOC zealots just don't get it. They think IBOC is going to save them, but they seem completely ignorant of the fact that the very same technology is going to double or triple the number of stations on the FM dial, setting AM on its course to the dust pile. This could be used for a good thing! Why not force co-owned AM-FM combos to turn the AM silent and put the AM's programming on the FM's second audio channel? The now empty dial positions could then be used to re-locate the stand-alone AM class Bs and Ds off of the clear channels and onto the regional channels. It would also reduce the night noise level on the Class C channels. They should only allow a broadcast company to own one Class A Clear in the US, and all Class As should be Non-D with only one Class A per clear channel. They should also open the Non-Com FM band to re-locate AMs to reduce the QRM on MW. Bandwidth for Mono stations should be limited to 5KC. C-QUAM stations should be allowed to brodcast to 15KC Daytime and NRSC at Night. While these measures are a bit extreme, they would greatly improve AM listenability and revive the remaining stations. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From baansy@yahoo.com Fri Dec 17 20:43:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48206 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2004 04:43:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2004 04:43:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 04:43:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2004 04:41:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2004 04:41:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 04:41:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 102 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "baansy" X-Originating-IP: 203.39.81.9 Subject: 2CA BACK IN STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy When I got home from work at 1.30 this morning I tuned into 2CA and found that it is back in STEREO. From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 17 20:57:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96322 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2004 04:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2004 04:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52402.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.110) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 04:57:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 57376 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2004 04:55:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=yBx1H7hz25BWKh2skoh+WYXRamooSOk+VnIaZxV2T8CYlgZ4HlmVTf5PptGhh9CrI47VcPM5RTiSyswBx6XJj6yhYeDrXdFSaaA11bIuxop9j6fvD0MDRnIrlQeG2BMzwn6JxUAxIt1JHO1ix8MF+fsXx7bLbxCxoToGg7Lxd7A= ; Message-ID: <20041218045546.57374.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.69] by web52402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:55:46 PST Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:55:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.110 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: AM stereo radio for 1982 car X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Let me try again. I have a full size Olds wagon with an AM FM radio. Now, this body style continued through 1990. What AM stereo radio fits in this space with no problem? I know there HAD to have been I'd expect as this was the top of the line. The AM in this radio, even with antenna in windshield is pretty hot. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Fri Dec 17 22:10:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78405 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2004 06:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2004 06:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.45) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 06:10:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:10:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.255.61.140 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 06:09:24 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20041218045546.57374.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 01:09:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2004 06:10:00.0877 (UTC) FILETIME=[351AFDD0:01C4E4C8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.45 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.255.61.140] Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM stereo radio for 1982 car X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane I'm guessing that since this a GM vehicle, the dash opening is 1.5 DIN. If this is the case, the UX-1 (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/) should work without much modification (you may need to rearrange the mounting bracket that comes with the stereo). I was able to find this radio in salvage yards without too much difficulty. Just in case you need to do any wiring, check out http://www.installdr.com/ . Paul Crane >From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} AM stereo radio for 1982 car >Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:55:46 -0800 (PST) > >Let me try again. I have a full size Olds wagon with >an AM FM radio. Now, this body style continued through >1990. What AM stereo radio fits in this space with no >problem? I know there HAD to have been I'd expect as >this was the top of the line. > >The AM in this radio, even with antenna in windshield >is pretty hot. > > >Powell > >===== >powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 18 01:32:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 37514 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2004 09:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2004 09:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 09:32:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2004 09:31:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2004 09:31:02 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93721 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2004 03:27:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2004 03:27:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 03:27:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2004 03:26:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2004 03:26:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 03:26:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1614 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.216 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Dec 2004 09:31:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "mrcomment" wrote: > These AM IBOC zealots just don't get it. They think IBOC is going > to save them, but they seem completely ignorant of the fact that the > very same technology is going to double or triple the number of > stations on the FM dial, setting AM on its course to the dust pile. > Yeah, you need a new radio to pick the second, third, and fourth > audio channels (all of which will be equal or better to AM IBOC > audio quality), but you need one to hear AM IBOC too. Furthermore, > they'll be able to add additional coverage by just dropping in on > another SAC channel; and in this era of mega-groups, that won't be a > problem. The next gen of IBOC receivers are all coming out with FM > supplemental audio built-in. Were this true, FM SCA would be so similarly exploited, which they're not! SCA has long been a sourse of revenue for many radio stations, but the general publkic is largely ignorant of the system. IBOC's SAC system promises exactlky the same results as FM SCA, and most likely will be treated in just the same way as currently, but wioth one added bonus: It's much harder to extract an SAC stream than it would be to extract an SCA subcarrier. The truth is, HD Radio does not, and never has made the promise of becoming a true mini-DAB system. It just ain't gonna happen. I still have yet to be convinced of ANY added value to HD Radio, either to the consumer or the broadcaster. The only thing I see is a digital redundancy, and nothing more. Status quo saved, and so forth. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Dec 18 03:28:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6832 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2004 11:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2004 11:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 11:28:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 03:27:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:26:33 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20041218045546.57374.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 06:26:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2004 11:27:00.0636 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DC3E5C0:01C4E4F4] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.87 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo radio for 1982 car X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > I have a full size Olds wagon with an AM FM radio. I think this is a 2 shaft radio. If this is the case, a Kenwood KRC-8001 or Sherwood CRD-250 are your choices. Neither radio tunes into the X-Band. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Dec 18 03:41:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95518 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2004 11:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2004 11:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 11:41:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2004 11:39:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2004 11:39:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:39:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 348 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 144.134.155.136 Subject: Re: 2CA BACK IN STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "baansy" wrote: > > When I got home from work at 1.30 this morning I tuned into 2CA and > found that it is back in STEREO. Yep the problem was fixed Friday am apparently, also getting 2CC well here in Melbourne with the pilot light though does'nt appear to be any stereo conent ?? (ads etc) From jeffdeck@aol.com Sat Dec 18 05:58:31 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Dec 18 06:54:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3805 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2004 14:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2004 14:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 14:54:06 -0000 Received: from jimspc (ppp-68-22-243-58.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBIEoI9Q014928 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 07:50:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000501c4e510$e62af970$6501a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:50:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ wrote: > Were this true, FM SCA would be so similarly exploited, which they're > not! SCA has long been a sourse of revenue for many radio stations, > but the general publkic is largely ignorant of the system. IBOC's SAC > system promises exactlky the same results as FM SCA, and most likely > will be treated in just the same way as currently, but wioth one > added bonus: It's much harder to extract an SAC stream than it would > be to extract an SCA subcarrier. > > The truth is, HD Radio does not, and never has made the promise of > becoming a true mini-DAB system. It just ain't gonna happen. > > I still have yet to be convinced of ANY added value to HD Radio, > either to the consumer or the broadcaster. The only thing I see is a > digital redundancy, and nothing more. Status quo saved, and so forth. I don't think you can compare 2nd, 3rd and 4th audio channels on IBOC-FM to the current FM SCA. There has never been, nor is it legal to sell equipment to the public to receive an FM SCA. I know there's a guy online that selling modified GE Superradio II and III with switches, but you gotta be in the radio biz to buy one. I had to fax my business card and driver's license, and it had to be shipped to a licensed radio station before he would ship. The way I understand FM IBOC, like TV's Digital service, additional services to the public will be offered I still agree totally that "HD Radio does not, and never has made the promise of becoming a true mini-DAB system. It just ain't gonna happen." -Jim- From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Dec 18 09:31:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6389 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2004 17:31:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2004 17:31:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 17:31:06 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041218173106.RBTV28808.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:31:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <973AFAE8-511A-11D9-B347-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:31:03 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.28 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable National Public Radio is pushing to allow "regular listeners" to access=20 the 2nd and 3rd channels so that they can get triple the stations at no=20 additional cost. Think IBOC FM sounds bad now? Wait until the channel=20 is split into three! Richard On Dec 17, 2004, at 7:26 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "mrcomment" > wrote: > > > These AM IBOC zealots just don't get it.=A0 They think IBOC is going > > to save them, but they seem completely ignorant of the fact that > the > > very same technology is going to double or triple the number of > > stations on the FM dial, setting AM on its course to the dust > pile.=A0 > > Yeah, you need a new radio to pick the second, third, and fourth > > audio channels (all of which will be equal or better to AM IBOC > > audio quality), but you need one to hear AM IBOC too.=A0 Furthermore, > > they'll be able to add additional coverage by just dropping in on > > another SAC channel; and in this era of mega-groups, that won't be > a > > problem.=A0 The next gen of IBOC receivers are all coming out with FM > > supplemental audio built-in. > > Were this true, FM SCA would be so similarly exploited, which they're > not! SCA has long been a sourse of revenue for many radio stations, > but the general publkic is largely ignorant of the system. IBOC's SAC > system promises exactlky the same results as FM SCA, and most likely > will be treated in just the same way as currently, but wioth one > added bonus: It's much harder to extract an SAC stream than it would > be to extract an SCA subcarrier. > > The truth is, HD Radio does not, and never has made the promise of > becoming a true mini-DAB system. It just ain't gonna happen. > > I still have yet to be convinced of ANY added value to HD Radio, > either to the consumer or the broadcaster. The only thing I see is a > digital redundancy, and nothing more. Status quo saved, and so forth. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <121504_y1204_b_300250a.gif> > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Dec 18 13:55:07 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 18 13:55:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29651 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2004 21:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2004 21:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 21:55:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2004 21:55:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2004 21:55:21 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16999 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2004 20:11:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2004 20:11:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 20:11:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2004 20:08:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2004 20:08:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:08:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c4e510$e62af970$6501a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3217 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.216 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Dec 2004 21:55:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > I don't think you can compare 2nd, 3rd and 4th audio channels on IBOC-FM to > the current FM SCA. > There has never been, nor is it legal to sell equipment to the public to > receive an FM SCA. Actually, it is legal, it appears- There are at least 5 or 6 manuyfacturers online that sell tunable SCA receivers, ranging from $29 to $150, as well as others selling tuned SCA receivers. In the early days of SCA, when it was far bigger than it is now, it was open to the public. Musak and various Radio Reading Services petitioned the FCC to make it illegal to receive SCA, but it never stopped kitbuilders from making SCA decoders. Muzak and the RRSs never quite succeeded in making it illegal, but they DID make the statement binding with the FCC that reception of SERTAIN SERVICES are restricted and may require authorization. Not the same as "illegal". In the last several years, largely as RRSs and Muzak have abandoned SCA (there are still some SCA RRSs in the Midwest and Texas, namely), and largely spurred on by the only people wsilling to rent SCA space- the ethnic communities who can';t afford full-blown stations of their own- a number of manufacturers (such as Metrosonix and Radios SCA) have started offering tunable SCA radios to the public. Ramsey has been selling overpriced demods for years. Even Dr. Brfuce Elving, the author of the periodically-updated (annual?) "FM Atlas" sells decoders and modded radios. If you want to ask about legality, ask him-- He is one of America's biggest proponents of SCA reception. (http://members.aol.com/fmatlas/) > I know there's a guy online that selling modified GE Superradio II and III > with switches, but you gotta be in the radio biz to buy one. > I had to fax my business card and driver's license, and it had to be shipped > to a licensed radio station before he would ship. And there are others, like Metrosonix and Radios SCA that don't ask- You order, you get. (Radios SCA has the cheapest-available SCA radio, but it is no slouch- - I just put in fresh batteries after nearly 4 months of almost daily usage. That's after continuous hours of use, both on the road using SCA and at home, where there is no SCA. - http://radiosca.com ) Some other dealers (incomplete): http://www.compolinc.com/ http://www.metrosonix.com http://www.cozmocom.com/ > The way I understand FM IBOC, like TV's Digital service, additional > services to the public will be offered This, as stated, is the same promise made for SCA. > I still agree totally that "HD Radio does not, and never has made the > promise of becoming a true mini-DAB system. It just ain't gonna happen." For one thing, they'll want subscription services, if they bother at all, and with the nature of digital, they won't be easy for the average listener to receive, as they can easily lock them out in a way that makes them seem non-existant. Where were they when Muzak and the RRSs flourished on the FM bands? This was EXACTLY what they wanted back then! Now that RRSs have faded away, largely, and Muzak and similar services have all gone to satellite..... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 18 13:55:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38939 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2004 21:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2004 21:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 21:55:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2004 21:55:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2004 21:55:46 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98389 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2004 20:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2004 20:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 20:16:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2004 20:16:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2004 20:16:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:16:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <973AFAE8-511A-11D9-B347-000D9356B656@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1187 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.216 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Dec 2004 21:55:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > National Public Radio is pushing to allow "regular listeners" to access > the 2nd and 3rd channels so that they can get triple the stations at no > additional cost. Think IBOC FM sounds bad now? Wait until the channel > is split into three! The proposal for SAC channels is to have the sound quality of AM or SCA radio. In other words, IBOC is only promising servive similar to analog, with only the added bonus of web-accessable content. THAT'S IT! What added value is that? To buy the music? To enter contests? To check weather and traffic? Expensive to do what is already being done for much less. (XM and Sirius do much the same thing, at least in the buying music bit.) Where's the originality? Where's the "ge whiz"? Where's the added value? Hell, you could probably easily enhance RDS to a web-like environment and to the same things, too! Just use one of the additional data services that may be broadcast between SCA channels (and sometimes ON SCA channels) were were previously used for pager services, something else that's been falling by the wayside on FM. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Dec 18 13:56:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50135 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2004 21:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2004 21:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 21:56:48 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.18.85]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:56:25 -0700 Message-ID: <006101c4e54c$63cef800$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <006401c4e3a0$692f5a40$d503fea9@home1> <41C1FCB0.9060607@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 15:56:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2004 21:56:26.0568 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C03CC80:01C4E54C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Someone else will have to have the equipment to record it all as I'm too far away from the action to make it happen. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > > Next week > Friday WTTM will play X-mas music for the day... thats when you have > your shot.. > Neal-CE > Scott Todd wrote: > > >I still like the suggestion that WTTM and WOR play the same Christmas tune > >and someone can record the IBOC and the CQuAM, each on a decent radio for us > >to compare. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 18 15:13:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45918 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2004 23:13:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2004 23:13:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 23:13:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2004 23:12:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2004 23:12:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 23:12:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006101c4e54c$63cef800$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 733 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.4 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Someone else will have to have the equipment to record it all as > I'm too far away from the action to make it happen. I can get an excellent daytime AM Stereo signal from 1680 WTTM on my Denon TU-680NAB, and would be more than happy to post some audio samples of WTTM's Christmas music. WTTM's 10 kW daytime signal is about 2.0 mV/m at my location, so to make a fair comparison, WOR should place an IBOC receiver in an area of comparable signal strength -- for example, somehwere around northeast Philadelphia. WOR's signal is about 20 mV/m here, so even if I had an IBOC receiver, I would not be able to do a fair comparison between WOR in IBOC and WTTM in C-Quam AM Stereo, due to this disparity in signal strength. From mrcomment@yahoo.com Sat Dec 18 19:52:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73139 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2004 03:52:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2004 03:52:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2004 03:52:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2004 03:51:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2004 03:51:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 03:51:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1049 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "mrcomment" X-Originating-IP: 64.169.91.94 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338 X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > National Public Radio is pushing to allow "regular listeners" to > access > > the 2nd and 3rd channels so that they can get triple the stations > at no > > additional cost. Think IBOC FM sounds bad now? Wait until the > channel > > is split into three! > > The proposal for SAC channels is to have the sound quality of AM or > SCA radio. In other words, IBOC is only promising servive similar to > analog, with only the added bonus of web-accessable content. THAT'S > IT! What added value is that? To buy the music? To enter contests? To > check weather and traffic? > This is not true. NPR is suggesting either a 64/32 or 48/48 split of the main 96kbs. The 48kbs audio quality is way beyond AM and SCA audio quality and is certainly comparable to clean FM. It's 15kHz, "near-CD". The big issue is there is no blend-to-analog, so it had better work well. From tomray@wor710.com Sun Dec 19 12:04:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18314 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2004 20:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2004 20:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2004 20:04:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2004 20:03:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2004 20:03:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 20:03:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 420 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > >Shut off all the electrical noise in NYC (like THAT will happen!), and maybe we'd have a cleaner signal. > > The last time that happened, it made International news! LOL > And I got deluged with DX reports from people who had never been able to hear WOR before.......so tell me that this isn't a problem all over the country. TR From tomray@wor710.com Sun Dec 19 12:05:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24816 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2004 20:05:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2004 20:05:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2004 20:05:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2004 20:05:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2004 20:05:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 20:05:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 910 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > I have made my case on a level playing field. Why the conjecture? > > I open up my offer to you that Kevin T has repeatedly declined. > > Get your facts straight, Tom. I stated _very clearly_ right on this > forum that I would be glad to visit WOR, as soon as you begin > transmitting stereo audio. And now that WOR is finally producing its > audio in stereo, the ball is in your court. E-mail me and maybe we > can set something up. It'd have to be at night or on a weekend, > though, as I am now working full-time for a law firm. > > And on second though, scratch off "at night", since it's kinda hard > to show off IBOC at a time of the day when the FCC prohibits you from > transmitting it. :-) I'll email you during the week.....I've been up to my neck with a house full of sick persons this weekend..... T From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 19 15:52:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83501 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2004 23:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2004 23:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2004 23:52:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2004 23:51:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2004 23:51:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 23:51:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 671 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 68.130.158.113 Subject: KFI's tower brought down by plane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This just in from the broadcast.net list: [BC] KFI's Tower brought down by plane... Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:00:32 -0800 I just got a call and saw it on TV, KFI's 900' tower was just hit by a private plane. The tower came down in folded pieces missing buildings and falling completely within the parking lot. I understand that KFI is back the air on their aux tower but only running 5 KW. The two people in the plane, a man and women were killed. It's amazing how the tower missed the buildings and apparently all vehicles in the parking lot. Burt Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California U.S.A. biwa@earthlink.net K6OQK From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Dec 19 15:54:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17914 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2004 23:54:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2004 23:54:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2004 23:54:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2004 23:54:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2004 23:54:17 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55722 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2004 21:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2004 21:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2004 21:01:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2004 20:59:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2004 20:59:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 20:59:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 918 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.203 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 19 Dec 2004 23:54:16 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > wrote: > > > >Shut off all the electrical noise in NYC (like THAT will happen!), > and maybe we'd have a cleaner signal. > > > > The last time that happened, it made International news! LOL > > > > > And I got deluged with DX reports from people who had never been able > to hear WOR before.......so tell me that this isn't a problem all over > the country. North America is notorious for its noisy electrical lines and grids. It doesn't have to be this way, as many other developed nations have found out. You can have a well-connected electrical system serving millions without cheapening out on electrical leakage, where RFI actually results in loss of distributable power. But this is America- Why concern yourself with such things? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 19 16:00:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84427 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2004 00:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2004 00:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.186) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2004 00:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.126.223.161 with login) by smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2004 00:00:40 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c4e627$01fd3160$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:00:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.186 From: Subject: power lines X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang So if the power lines where under ground RFI would not be a problem? Right!! Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 19 19:41:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40523 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2004 03:41:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2004 03:41:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2004 03:41:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2004 03:41:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2004 03:41:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 03:41:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 400 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 68.130.158.113 Subject: Re: KFI's tower brought down by plane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics FYI, here is an aerial view of the KFI transmitter site, showing just how built-in the area surrounding the tower is: http://www.oldradio.com/archives/stations/LA/kfi-overhead.jpg KFI's auxiliary signal is licensed for 25 kW, but they are currently operating with 5 kW. KFI maintains a Continental 317C as a backup transmitter, but I'm not sure if this is the transmitter that is now in use. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 19 19:55:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40510 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2004 03:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2004 03:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2004 03:55:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 15309 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2004 03:55:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Pb5KUm+Z2VGX2sKcJWM9Ocfwx41KyaxWMHSqVkTkMhEwqK0rxHIkNJ7TdaQ6v6ytL+XtHzQezqfatEVXk2eqmg/K8sgy9dQQ2FqTT4Sic9qbh7BkYhX77BvJMJPoxzkEsWB7H+QNYOWkarr3QMMAWjpfEV1wzsLpxV+WBBwjVnc= ; Message-ID: <20041220035500.15307.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.109] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:54:59 PST Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:54:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KFI's tower brought down by plane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > KFI's auxiliary signal is licensed for 25 kW, but > they are currently > operating with 5 kW. KFI maintains a Continental > 317C as a backup > transmitter, but I'm not sure if this is the > transmitter that is now > in use. It was noted on the BC list that the AUX tower can only do 5 KW. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From brucec@mindspring.com Sun Dec 19 20:28:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90348 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2004 04:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2004 04:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2004 04:28:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2004 04:27:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2004 04:27:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 04:27:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 336 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 65.68.75.251 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > I'll email you during the week.....I've been up to my neck with a > house full of sick persons this weekend..... > > T This thing is all over the country! Beware of it - it is very contagious. I have been hit by it 3 times since October. The last time the worst. I slept 26 hours straight because of how badly it drained me. From brucec@mindspring.com Sun Dec 19 20:32:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66939 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2004 04:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2004 04:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2004 04:32:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2004 04:31:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2004 04:31:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 04:31:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 234 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 65.68.75.251 Subject: Re: KFI's tower brought down by plane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Oh MAN! And they just got it working with IBOC. Their engineer must be absolutely sick about it. I know what he will be doing over Christmas! How did the ground radials hold up? That is probably worse than the tower erection. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 19 20:33:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62110 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2004 04:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2004 04:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52409.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.117) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2004 04:33:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 78727 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2004 04:33:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=LrMh+VCQ7xH+Ou74w6ZBaTOdehC7gHL2LDnQ3nfm0UM2DPmQRHRdiyj8MmbY8CLaIJCTLAx0Zkk2F2WIIzFo8CC1Kx+qF3Hy34h0p03T1GlqHZizfAwiiTlf5OQAqsDHDiOFUjWz/22tyhBUfy3Nlyck8l+maqWcFIthLB/9b2c= ; Message-ID: <20041220043320.78725.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.109] by web52409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 20:33:20 PST Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 20:33:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.117 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: wideband radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I just think Ibiquity did NOT want to find wideband radios. IN FACT I think they went out of their way to look at radios and deliberately pick those that weren't. I just got a Sony Dream machine radio at a thrift store. $3. It is digital, and was made until fairly recently. Nice radio UNLESS there's even a moderately strong signal and it becomes EXCEPTIONALLY wide in tuning. AT LEAST 3 adjacents wide. ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Dec 20 06:59:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80768 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2004 14:59:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2004 14:59:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2004 14:59:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2004 14:57:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2004 14:57:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:57:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041220043320.78725.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 292 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 69.154.190.38 Subject: Re: wideband radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > Nice radio UNLESS there's even a > moderately strong signal and it becomes EXCEPTIONALLY > wide in tuning. AT LEAST 3 adjacents wide. I think Tom Ray wanted model numbers of radios like that. I suspect their low cost and low component count / high reliability makes them very common. From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Dec 20 09:19:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75805 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2004 17:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2004 17:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2004 17:19:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2004 17:19:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2004 17:19:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:19:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 329 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "mrcomment" wrote: > The [IBOC] 48kbs audio quality is way beyond AM and SCA > audio quality and is certainly comparable to clean FM. It's > 15kHz, "near-CD". Sorry, but as one of those "golden ears" people, I have to say it: Horse pucky, horse pucky, and horse pucky. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 20 16:09:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11039 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 00:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 00:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 00:09:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 00:09:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 00:09:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:08:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1103 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.3 Subject: Re: KFI's tower brought down by plane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Oh MAN! And they just got it working with IBOC. Their engineer > must be absolutely sick about it. I know what he will be doing > over Christmas! How did the ground radials hold up? That is > probably worse than the tower erection. And to add insult to injury, the tower lasted 57 years using its original guy wires, during which time it survived two major earthquakes and allegedly another collision with a small airplane. Then, in March of this year, finally KFI replaced the guy wires -- only to have the tower destroyed 9 months later. Given the strength of these brand new guy wires, perhaps it's possible that the plane "bounced" off the tower, setting it into an oscillation which basically wobbled the tower to death... sort of like that famous black-and-white film of a bridge which is rippling from side to side and eventually shakes itself to pieces. Anyway... I have word that KFI is now up to 25 kW on their auxiliary signal, which is its maximum licensed power level. But I haven't heard if they have resumed transmitting IBOC or not -- can anyone here verify that? From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 20 16:13:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86144 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 00:13:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 00:13:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52407.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.115) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 00:13:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 88758 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Dec 2004 00:13:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=RlidZX4Ju9G6/25WzXaOdIyUodZkD/8W/7aQf/3czkYTFp1ZGaJN85RkovUbL3jwOgd2NeEkv3GIqFmvbPJL7R4moe3kY+0PeDMEqF5wk5Gc3Io3IGmxw/vRAUCDlmN/PKGR6UT2v6AHlR1Ph76glh07oSc+MPWgGu/HNeDO9DA= ; Message-ID: <20041221001311.88756.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.106] by web52407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:13:11 PST Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:13:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.115 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: wideband radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Bruce Carter wrote: > > > Nice radio UNLESS there's even a > > moderately strong signal and it becomes > EXCEPTIONALLY > > wide in tuning. AT LEAST 3 adjacents wide. > > I think Tom Ray wanted model numbers of radios like > that. I suspect > their low cost and low component count / high > reliability makes them > very common. The Sony (digital tuning model) Dream Machine clock radio is quite complicated and I think cost around $60. I have a current NEW WalMart clock radio that's going SOEMWHERE out of my house. I haven't forgotten the ones to send you, either. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Dec 20 16:13:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42151 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 00:13:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 00:13:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao06.cox.net) (68.230.241.33) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 00:13:45 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041221001340.GVFY17071.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:13:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <2C89AE74-52E5-11D9-93C6-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:13:43 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.33 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KFI's tower brought down by plane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No IBOC today. On Dec 20, 2004, at 4:08 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > > Oh MAN!=A0 And they just got it working with IBOC.=A0 Their engineer > > must be absolutely sick about it.=A0 I know what he will be doing > > over Christmas!=A0 How did the ground radials hold up?=A0 That is > > probably worse than the tower erection. > > And to add insult to injury, the tower lasted 57 years using its > original guy wires, during which time it survived two major > earthquakes and allegedly another collision with a small airplane. > Then, in March of this year, finally KFI replaced the guy wires -- > only to have the tower destroyed 9 months later. > > Given the strength of these brand new guy wires, perhaps it's > possible that the plane "bounced" off the tower, setting it into an > oscillation which basically wobbled the tower to death... sort of > like that famous black-and-white film of a bridge which is rippling > from side to side and eventually shakes itself to pieces. > > Anyway... I have word that KFI is now up to 25 kW on their auxiliary > signal, which is its maximum licensed power level.=A0 But I haven't > heard if they have resumed transmitting IBOC or not -- can anyone > here verify that? > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <122603_LREC_bkup_BR_Ashanti.jpg> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 20 16:33:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59253 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 00:33:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 00:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 00:33:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 00:32:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 00:32:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:32:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2C89AE74-52E5-11D9-93C6-000D9356B656@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 263 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.3 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KFI's tower brought down by plane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > No IBOC today. Is the audio 5 kHz, or full bandwidth? I know WBZ's backup transmitter produces glorious C-Quam AM Stereo at full NRSC bandwidth, and I was hoping for the chance that KFI's auxiliary transmitter might still be configured like that as well. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Dec 20 17:30:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47565 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 01:30:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 01:30:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 01:30:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 01:30:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 01:30:20 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6889 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 00:50:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 00:50:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 00:50:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 00:50:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 00:50:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:50:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 376 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: KFI's tower brought down by plane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 21 Dec 2004 01:30:19 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > No IBOC today. > > Is the audio 5 kHz, or full bandwidth? I know WBZ's backup > transmitter produces glorious C-Quam AM Stereo at full NRSC > bandwidth, and I was hoping for the chance that KFI's auxiliary > transmitter might still be configured like that as well. sounds to me like 5kHz. From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Dec 20 17:55:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78027 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 01:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 01:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao02.cox.net) (68.230.241.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 01:55:22 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041221015517.FYUL17983.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:55:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <5ED4913E-52F3-11D9-93C6-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:55:20 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.37 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KFI's tower brought down by plane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is 5. It still sounds better than with HD on, though. Has anyone else noticed KLAC sounding a bit less harsh than it used to=20 sound? Are they going past 6 kHz? Or are they using a smoother process?=20 It's not as good as in the past, but much more listenable then when=20 they first switched to 6. On Dec 20, 2004, at 4:50 PM, pianoplayer88key wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 > wrote: > > > > > No IBOC today. > > > > Is the audio 5 kHz, or full bandwidth?=A0 I know WBZ's backup > > transmitter produces glorious C-Quam AM Stereo at full NRSC > > bandwidth, and I was hoping for the chance that KFI's auxiliary > > transmitter might still be configured like that as well. > > sounds to me like 5kHz. > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <122603_LREC_bkup_BR_Ashanti.jpg> > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 20 18:58:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70139 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 02:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 02:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 02:58:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:58:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 02:57:10 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:57:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2004 02:58:00.0839 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1DDF170:01C4E708] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.79 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > And I got deluged with DX reports from people who had never been able to hear WOR before.......so tell me that this isn't a problem all over the country. Power line noise has to be the single largest cause of AM radio tune-out for car radio listeners. The best benifit of the Hurricanes that wiped out a good part of Florida is they blew down the old corroded power lines, forcing the electric companies to replace them with new quiet lines! The bad thing is all of the old mechanical stop lights got blown down and were replaced with NOISEY electronic traffic signals...ya just can't win. What we need is a Cuban blackout to silence the Cuban stations and jammers so AM radio would be usefull again. In the mean time, I loaded up my iPod with TM Century's Gold Drive Oldies format. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 20 19:48:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81297 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 03:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 03:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 03:48:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 03:48:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 03:48:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:47:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1652 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.3 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The bad thing is all of the old mechanical stop lights got blown > down and were replaced with NOISEY electronic traffic signals...ya > just can't win. These are probably LED traffic lights. If you look closely, you'll see that each light is made up of an array of small round or square "dots". The green light of an LED signal is also more purely green in color than regular incandescent traffic lights, whose "green" lights are actually an aqua blue/green color. Most LED traffic lights generate an annoyingly high level of RF interference -- but not all of it ends up affecting AM reception. I have encountered quite a few traffic lights which generate interference to _FM_ reception, particularly on the low end of the band -- it is audible as a buzzing, crackling kind of static while driving within close proximity of the traffic signals. This FM interference even sometimes occurs when the traffic signal isn't generating any noticeable interference on the AM band! I have even experienced this phenomenon from power lines... while listening to FM, I get a buzzing static that sounds just like typical power line interference, except it's on FM -- and then I flip over to AM on my car radio, expecting it to be wiped out with a loud RAZZZZZ, but instead it's completely static-free on AM! At one time I had a car radio which tuned the 6 MHz shortwave band, in addition to AM (mediumwave) and FM. While driving, shortwave isn't affected by power line noise as much as AM, but it still occurs from time to time. Shortwave signals still fade out while driving underneath bridges, too, but again, not as much as on AM. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 20 20:10:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21163 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 04:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 04:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 04:10:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 04:09:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 04:09:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 04:08:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1450 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.3 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo radio for 1982 car X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I think this is a 2 shaft radio. If this is the case, a Kenwood > KRC-8001 or Sherwood CRD-250 are your choices. Neither radio tunes > into the X-Band. Thanks to Mr. Ray, I have a Pioneer KE-433AM in my collection, and it is a pretty decent shaft-style radio with the rare AM Stereo-equipped version of the SuperTuner III. Sensitivity is very good, and it does have a narrow/wide bandwidth switch. Like the other radios you mentioned, it tunes up to 1620 kHz, which counts as including one of the Expanded Band frequencies -- unlike older Chrysler radios which only tune up to 1610 kHz. I previously had the Kenwood KRC-8001, and while its performance wasn't quite as good as the Pioneer, it did have two unique features: a signal strength meter (fairly useless while you're driving, but interesting nonetheless), and an "auto-seek" feature which automatically seeks to the next listenable station on the band when the one you're listening to fades out. I suppose that may be useful for long trips in mountainous rural areas, where there may only be a few listenable signals on the dial and you would constantly be searching the band for a new station to listen to when the one you currently have tuned in starts to get too weak to be listenable. Sony also made some shaft-style *multi-system* AM Stereo car radios back in the day, which should provide excellent performance and audio quality on AM -- if you can find one!! From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 21 00:16:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8605 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 08:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 08:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 08:16:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 08:16:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 08:16:31 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71012 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 05:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 05:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 05:12:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 05:11:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 05:11:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 05:11:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 581 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.203 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 21 Dec 2004 08:16:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Most LED traffic lights generate an annoyingly high level of RF > interference -- but not all of it ends up affecting AM reception. =snip= Please don't say "most" unless you're sure of it- The local LED traffic lights don't generate ANY RFI, AM or FM. Others have stated similar to my experience. The local power transformers are hell, though, anmd so are the sodium streetlights. (Needed, though- It gets FOGGY here with a passion, at they, at least, cut through the fog.....) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 21 00:30:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48334 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 08:30:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 08:30:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 08:30:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 08:30:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 08:30:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:30:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1172 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.3 Subject: Re: LED traffic lights X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Please don't say "most" unless you're sure of it- The local LED > traffic lights don't generate ANY RFI, AM or FM. Others have stated > similar to my experience. "Most" is always in local context. When it comes to traffic lights, things vary widely from town to town and county to county. In some areas, the traffic lights are decades old and all look horribly worn- out, while in other areas, every single intersection is sporting a shiny new installation of the latest-generation LED signals. Other areas still choose to go with incandescent signals instead of LEDs when installing new traffic lights -- in fact, my town actually seems to have abandoned LED signals, as all the new traffic lights installed within the past 2 years have been incandescent. And as for your noise-free LED traffic signals, whoever installed them should've gotten the contract over here in the Northeast as well. Tom Ray has identified LED traffic signals as a source of interference in New York City, and here in NJ, most of them are RF-noisy as well. In some cases the noise is bad enough to interfere with an otherwise solidly listenable 2.5 to 4.0 mV/m AM signal. From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Dec 21 00:49:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80468 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 08:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 08:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao06.cox.net) (68.230.241.33) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 08:49:52 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041221084947.SOAF17071.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:49:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <468D8E36-532D-11D9-848F-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:49:50 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.33 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LED traffic lights affect nothing in the AM or FM band where I live. On Dec 20, 2004, at 9:11 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > Most LED traffic lights generate an annoyingly high level of RF > > interference -- but not all of it ends up affecting AM reception. > > =3Dsnip=3D > > Please don't say "most" unless you're sure of it- The local LED > traffic lights don't generate ANY RFI, AM or FM. Others have stated > similar to my experience. > > The local power transformers are hell, though, anmd so are the sodium > streetlights. (Needed, though- It gets FOGGY here with a passion, at > they, at least, cut through the fog.....) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <122603_LREC_bkup_BR_Ashanti.jpg> > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Tue Dec 21 02:29:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65115 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 10:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 10:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.175.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 10:29:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 02:28:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.0.17.189 by BAY104-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:27:30 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [badeditproductions@hotmail.com] X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 05:27:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2004 10:28:01.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF60C160:01C4E747] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.175.87 From: "Joe Collins" X-Originating-IP: [68.0.17.189] Subject: NEW TOPIC: PROGRAMMING X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hang out in another radio forum that mainly concerns itself with programming.. Lately, the discussion has turned to ways radio can compete with newer media and regain some of it's past glory. They can get rather heated! I posted this there yesterday in response to another poster. He is the one guy in the crowd who always plays the devil's advocate, you know? He had taken a stand against something I had said about radio not serving the night time audience. He was pointing out syndicated all night talk shows to prove his point. Anyway, I though some of you might get a kick out of reading it and it certainly will show exactly where I stand on the issue! Maybe it will spark some debate from you guys on the subject, too. :) JC LOCAL, LOCAL, LOCAL! I'm referring to the LOCAL audience! Radio has most certainly walked away from them. I could care less about Jim Bohanan, Art Bell, Dr. Laura, Delilah, Dave 'Till Dawn, John Tesh, Rush, Don Imus, or any of the rest of them. From a corporate point of view, it's all safe, bland and generic. They are all just brand names like The Big Mac, Whopper, Double-Stack, Jumbo Jack and any other fast food burger you can think of. McRadio! The overuse of brokered programming is devaluing terrestrial radio to the point of redundancy. You keep referring back to the days when TV came along and radio had to come up with new ideas to stay afloat. They did! It was: GET LOCAL! Radio has diminished in revenue steadily ever since the owners stopped investing in being LOCAL! It started on the early 80's and has steadily continued ever since. It is my opinion that the only thing that will ensure radio's survival in the years to come is GETTING LOCAL AGAIN! I mean, really doing it, too, and not trying to fool people into thinking you are doing it with VT's. The average guy on the street is getting wise to this stuff and it won't be long before they tune out altogether. Radio needs to get real. Get in there and do some real live radio and promote the hell out of it! Let 'em know that you have real people on the air all day and all night. Let 'em know that you are listening to them. Let them know they can call the studio lines anytime for anything. XM, Serious, iPods and the rest of the new media are doing a great job at promoting themselves. What is terrestrial radio doing? Nothing! What does radio have to promote? Not much! So what exactly do I mean by LOCAL? Well, LOCAL does not mean local spots inserted into piped in programming! LOCAL means programming that is produced locally by people who live in the area for people in that area. LOCAL means putting live people back on the radio so they can interact with the community in real time! LOCAL means doing research in your own market to figure out what music your target audience wants to hear and then not allowing some out-of-town corporate PD or consultant to talk you out of playing it.! LOCAL means talking about and being at concerts, festivals, ceremonies, parades, military homecomings, sporting events and other happenings that people will actually be going to and not wasting precious promotional resources at night clubs, car dealerships and cell phone stores. LOCAL means covering blizzards, riots, nuclear meltdowns and other emergencies when they happen, even if that's 4 o'clock Monday morning! You can't do any of the above without having a real live human being behind the board making moment to moment decisions about what he/she puts on the air next. Period. It galls me no end when I realize that the lights are on and nobody's home! Give me a willing kid who wants to learn and six weeks and I'll have him sounding better than most of the 'talent' you hear on the radio today. You know what? The kid would probably jump at the chance to work at 4 am on Monday and do it for minimum wage just to get the experience. I'll take the kid over Art Bell, VT's or segue serenade any day of the week! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From paulcl@hotmail.com Tue Dec 21 08:50:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: paulcl@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4696 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 16:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 16:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 16:50:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 16:50:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 16:50:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:50:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2108 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "tribby2001" X-Originating-IP: 169.207.194.52 Subject: Re: NEW TOPIC: PROGRAMMING X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=164451600 X-Yahoo-Profile: tribby2001 Hi Joe, Interesting comments. I am not a "media" expert. I am simply the "customer(?)". May I take this opportunity to voice my consumption pattern? What I seek out in AM radio programming is in depth, intelligent talk radio during prime-time or slightly later. Two excellent examples are "Extension 720" with Milt Rosenberg on WGN 720kHz http://www.miltsfile.blogspot.com/ and John Batchelor on WABC 770kHz http://www.wabcradio.com/showdj.asp? DJID=9178 [Any others along this vein?] These are two huge radio markets which both stations have locked up in their respective markets. My local market is relatively tiny in comparison and one man live on the street would be eating lots of donuts looking for a story to air. My local program listening has been limited to my 30 minute commute times which coinsides with their best programing of the day, IMO. I am sure the stations know it and thats is why it IS there best programming along with too many commercial ads. NPR and the BBC fills in the rest of my day. Why? Because outside of commute times my locals simply don't have any interesting "local" material to air in my market - that is IMHO of course. I am not interested in listening to a live "personality" whom attempts to carry an audience with telephone small talk, far left/right political views, or obnoxcious comedy. And when it comes to music I have a large library I can choose from. Lately, I find myself listening to AM and shortwave broadcast radio far more than watching anything on TV. It is simply impossible for me to enjoy TV programming when at least 30% of the hour is machine- gunned with in your face commercial ads. I would strongly suggest that to attract radio listeners radio stations air the commercial ads in one or two blocks ONLY - get it over with - so that the audience can get "back into" the programming. The easiest way to lose me as a listener is to machine gun ads at me. Unless your programming is exceptional such as the two on WGN & WABC, then keep those ads corraled. FWIW, that's my $0.02 - thanks for listening. From starship_2001@msn.com Tue Dec 21 09:21:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99931 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 17:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 17:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.172.121) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 17:21:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:21:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.207.111 by BAY5-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:20:43 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:20:43 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <29677-41C85B6B-2410@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "tribby2001" 's message of Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:50:06 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2004 17:21:03.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[7308F1E0:01C4E781] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.172.121 X-eGroups-From: starship_2001@msn.com (Norbert 26) From: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: [209.240.207.111] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NEW TOPIC: PROGRAMMING X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 My 2 cents. Need to get some music and local stuff back on the AM dial . Need to get rid of the nationwide "talk networks" cluttering the dial. From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Tue Dec 21 10:42:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55140 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 18:42:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 18:42:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 18:42:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 18:41:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 18:41:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:41:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <29677-41C85B6B-2410@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3393 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: NEW TOPIC: PROGRAMMING X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Thanks for the input. I agree with most everything that has been posted so far in response to my re-posting on programming... That post is my programming philosophy in a nutshell... Generally. For AM I have some more specific Ideas that I'll share with you.... Since everyone here is a 'Discerning Am Listener,' I'd love to get your feedback! My idea of the perfect format for a typical AM station is good ol' fashioned Full Service Radio. I very fondly remember the days when AM was populated by stations that offered a mix of music, news and information. That kind of radio has gone by the wayside in favor of 'narrowcasting' music, talk or news on either band. With all the info overload today, Full Service radio could give someone an anchor that would make them feel like they were being kept in touch without shoving it down their throats. It has been a few years since I programmed music for AM. The last station I was PD at I formatted it Classic Country with some news and I tried to find engaging personalities to present it all. We were mostly live throughout the day except from midnight to six am because the station was on 1490 and we didn't have much of a night time signal. If it were better, I would have had a live night jock as well. The station did relatively well. I would have to think long and hard about whether I would program music again on AM, though. If I can't have a full 10 KHz to play with, I would feel kinda stupid playing music through a phone line! With all due respect to those on the other side of the issue, 5 KHz for the analog signal on IBOC is simply unacceptable to me... Most of your listeners wont have a digital radio for quite a long time and I know that most newer radio have at least 6Khz no matter what the iBiquity turkeys say... That study they refer to that Bob Orban did is about 20 years old now. I read it when it was originally published. Besides, He was talking primarily about at what point the frequency response was significantly reduced The 3 KHz he refers to does not reflect a cut off point. His point was that with proper processing, you could compensate for the filtering and push most radios out to an apparent 6 KHz with proper reemphasis. I really don't like the huge amount of brokered programming AM relies on these day. Scan the dial on a good DX night and you'll hear Art Bell in 20 different places.... FM is starting to head that way, too. The biggest problem with FM music formats is the use of Voice Tracking to fill most of the day. VT's aren't so bad if they are done by local talent just before air time but there is a trend now to bring VT's in from jocks in other markets. This puts people out of work and takes away from the localness of any station, AM or FM. I have been a very vocal champion of live radio for many, many years. When the computers started taking people's jobs it was just the beginning of the devaluing of radio as a medium. I have only been here for a short while but I have heard evidence of the frustration most radio people are feeling these days... Radio sucks and needs to get back to doing what it does best. Serving the local community. My attitude is that we must start doing it now instead of waiting for sat radio and other new media to push us to the point of obsolescence. Your comments? :) JC From tomray@wor710.com Tue Dec 21 11:21:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18486 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 19:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 19:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 19:21:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 19:21:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 19:21:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:21:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 557 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: KFI's tower brought down by plane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > FYI, here is an aerial view of the KFI transmitter site, showing just > how built-in the area surrounding the tower is: > > http://www.oldradio.com/archives/stations/LA/kfi-overhead.jpg > > KFI's auxiliary signal is licensed for 25 kW, but they are currently > operating with 5 kW. KFI maintains a Continental 317C as a backup > transmitter, but I'm not sure if this is the transmitter that is now > in use. I doubt it. 317C's aren't type accepted for under 10KW. TR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Dec 21 11:23:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24882 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 19:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 19:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 19:23:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 19:22:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 19:22:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:22:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 585 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > > I'll email you during the week.....I've been up to my neck with a > > house full of sick persons this weekend..... > > > > T > > This thing is all over the country! Beware of it - it is very > contagious. I have been hit by it 3 times since October. The last > time the worst. I slept 26 hours straight because of how badly it > drained me. Boy, that sucks! My wife started with pnumonia, then went to bronchitis. My daughter just had bronchitis. My son and I, so far, seem unaffected. TR From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Dec 21 12:24:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 294 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 20:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 20:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 20:24:58 -0000 Received: from [4.247.236.97] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CgqYy-0002ES-Oe for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:24:57 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lvMUZ0kDFWy4GPEWMRNQLrA9mMRsRhPDb3zDk5s27M2FDXudBsn5TFr4FJfsbfkN; Message-ID: <410-22004122212025662@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.62.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:25:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bceb074593c623df8d7b846197edf87807350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.86.89.69 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Originating-IP: 4.247.236.97 Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is my understanding that exposure to IBOC transmissions immunizes people against the flu! : ) Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Tom Ray > To: > Date: 12/21/2004 2:24:28 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > > > > I'll email you during the week.....I've been up to my neck with a > > > house full of sick persons this weekend..... > > > > > > T > > > > This thing is all over the country! Beware of it - it is very > > contagious. I have been hit by it 3 times since October. The last > > time the worst. I slept 26 hours straight because of how badly it > > drained me. > > Boy, that sucks! My wife started with pnumonia, then went to > bronchitis. My daughter just had bronchitis. My son and I, so far, > seem unaffected. > > TR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Tue Dec 21 14:29:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65777 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 22:29:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 22:29:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au) (150.229.64.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 22:29:17 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (138.194.10.10) by vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au with ESMTP; 22 Dec 2004 09:29:16 +1100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.88,79,1102251600"; d="scan'208"; a="17717961:sNHT19694688" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBLMTFmi007426 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:29:16 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:29:15 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 150.229.64.37 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NEW TOPIC: PROGRAMMING X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, JC wrote: > My idea of the perfect format for a typical AM station is good ol' > fashioned Full Service Radio. I very fondly remember the days when > AM was populated by stations that offered a mix of music, news and > information. That kind of radio has gone by the wayside in favor > of 'narrowcasting' music, talk or news on either band. I agree with everything you've said Joe. The people of Adelaide (Australia's 5th biggest city) had tragic news yesterday. They only have three commercial AM stations left - one news/talk, one horse/dog/greyhound racing, and 5DN ... a low rating talk/music station live and local 24/7 ... the sort of station you wish there were more of. After 80 years service all of it's presenters and production staff are to be sacked and they're going to network 24/7 sports talk piped in from SEN in Melbourne. What a copout! If only contemporary radio wasn't run by beancounters. Ian Melbourne From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Tue Dec 21 15:55:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39638 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 23:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2004 23:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 23:55:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 23:54:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2004 23:54:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:54:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 250 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: NEW TOPIC: PROGRAMMING X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Ian, So it's happening there, too? That sucks! I thought the US was the only country whereradio was killing itself by degrees. I hope the Sports/Talk thing bombs... MAybe some of the old staff will have a chance to come back if it does. :) JC From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 21 16:00:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80040 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 00:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 00:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 00:00:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 00:00:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 00:00:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:00:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 742 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.1 Subject: Re: KFI's tower brought down by plane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I doubt it. 317C's aren't type accepted for under 10KW. By the way, when WOR was running 10 kW non-directional for a while, circa 1997, was this with the Continental, or had the Harris been installed yet? WOR is normally the strongest signal on the dial here, but during that time, the reduced power was enough to allow the station in Cuba on 710 kHz to be audible in the background of WOR's signal at night. And meanwhile, in KFI's case, we shall see if they will resume transmitting IBOC on the auxiliary antenna (which likely will need some tweaking in order to have enough bandwidth to cleanly pass the IBOC signal), or if they'll wait until a new main antenna is constructed before they turn the IBOC back on -- if ever. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 21 16:03:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75961 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 00:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 00:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 00:03:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 00:03:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 00:03:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:03:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <410-22004122212025662@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 346 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.1 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It is my understanding that exposure to IBOC transmissions > immunizes people against the flu! : ) If its primary use fails in the marketplace, iBiquity can always still sell IBOC exciters as a decide to keep elephants away from radio transmitter sites. No IBOC station has ever been attacked by an elephant, so it works perfectly! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Dec 21 19:02:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14413 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 03:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 03:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 03:02:18 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:02:16 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 03:01:16 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:01:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2004 03:02:16.0474 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4A67FA0:01C4E7D2] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.79 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: > Most LED traffic lights generate an annoyingly high level of RF interference Yes, there is no way in Hell the new LED traffic lights here in Florida comply with Part 15. Some of them can even jam the signal of local 50 KW AMs!. I found one in Lakeland that wipes out local WSJT 94.1 FM. I wonder why the NAB has not raised Hell to the FCC about these new lights? Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From dav259@csiro.au Tue Dec 21 20:39:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26303 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 04:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 04:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au) (150.229.64.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 04:39:08 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (138.194.10.10) by vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au with ESMTP; 22 Dec 2004 15:39:07 +1100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.88,80,1102251600"; d="scan'208"; a="17760674:sNHT19962116" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBM4d6mi021556 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:39:07 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:39:06 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 150.229.64.37 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NEW TOPIC: PROGRAMMING X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, JC wrote: > So it's happening there, too? That sucks! I thought the US was the > only country where radio was killing itself by degrees. I hope the > Sports/Talk thing bombs... MAybe some of the old staff will have a > chance to come back if it does. Some are/were Adelaide icons. I think 5DN's ratings will drop - but so will its outlays. It will probably make more money. :( You know Joe, up till recently here commercial radio licences were "allocated" to the fittest person to service a market. Community licences are still allocated that way - as they have no money. The ABA (FCC) held a huge nationwide auction in the early 90s permitting the two highest bidding commercial AM stations in each capital to move to FM. I suppose there was some argument for this as they already held licences. But 3KZ and 3DB - the two independent stations here that came up with the most money - offered too much and soon went broke. Both Gold-FM and MIX-FM are now controlled by Clear Channel. What a disastrous outcome! Ever since - the ABA has issued new licences (all FM) to the highest bidder. When will contemporary govenments realise that everything can't and shouldn't be valued in money terms? Thank God for our government funded ABC. Ian Melbourne From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Dec 21 20:54:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55724 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 04:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 04:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 04:54:03 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBM4s1kR030557 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:54:01 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBM4r3ol001789 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:53:03 +1100 Received: from ausym000.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBM4r3li001732 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:53:03 +1100 Received: by ausym000.apac.corp.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:53:02 +1100 Message-ID: <1A3B6CF82D867E4DA14E074DE01D1728233C8C@aubwm208.apac.corp.eds.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:15:18 +1100 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: AM Stereo Christmas Present - 1053 2CA Aircheck - FunFunFun X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Seems like us Aussies are beating the US at your own game! :) ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/upload-here-please/2ca-funfunfun.mp3 Here is some sweeeet "oldies" CQUAM for your enjoyment! I'll be posting more as I edit them up (Mp3DirectCut is awesome!) Cheers, Matt From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Dec 21 21:12:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60590 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 05:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 05:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 05:12:02 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041222051158.ZKVG7026.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:11:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1A3B6CF82D867E4DA14E074DE01D1728233C8C@aubwm208.apac.corp.eds.com> References: <1A3B6CF82D867E4DA14E074DE01D1728233C8C@aubwm208.apac.corp.eds.com> Message-Id: <02ACF3DC-53D8-11D9-BB7E-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:12:00 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.29 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Christmas Present - 1053 2CA Aircheck - FunFunFun X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable THAT IS WONDERFUL. Thanks!!!! Richard Wagoner On Dec 21, 2004, at 8:15 PM, Trim, Matthew L wrote: > Seems like us Aussies are beating the US at your own game!=A0 :) > > ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/upload-here-please/2ca-funfunfun.mp3 > > Here is some sweeeet "oldies" CQUAM for your enjoyment! > > I'll be posting more as I edit them up (Mp3DirectCut is awesome!) > > Cheers, > > Matt > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <122603_LREC_bkup_BR_Ashanti.jpg> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Tue Dec 21 21:43:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65023 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 05:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 05:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 05:43:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 05:43:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 05:43:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 05:42:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 712 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: NEW TOPIC: PROGRAMMING X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Both Gold-FM and > MIX-FM are now controlled by Clear Channel. What a disastrous outcome! Ian, I had no clue that Clear Channel was in your country! Those bastards are one of the biggest reasons Radio is so bad off here! They started buying up radio stations about ten years ago when the FCC relaxed the ownership rules and they have destroyed a lot of stations and put thousands of people out of work. I've worked with a lot of folks who made the mistake of going to work for them only to find themselves out of a job less than a year later. You can learn more about how they have screwed up radio here by clicking on: http://www.cheap-channel.com/ http://www.clearchannelsucks.org/ :) JC From petersdad2001@yahoo.com Tue Dec 21 23:21:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: petersdad2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88440 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 07:21:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 07:21:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 07:21:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 07:20:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 07:19:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 07:19:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4778 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Alan Oda" X-Originating-IP: 4.35.113.135 Subject: Re: NEW TOPIC: PROGRAMMING X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=79442875 X-Yahoo-Profile: petersdad2001 Over at LARadio.com, a programming consultant, Mark Ramsey, stated that: Our vast distribution (i.e. standard, terrestrial radio) is an advantage - only for a while. After all, the Internet's distribution is likewise vast. What the Internet lacks, however, is warmth. Ask any NPR listener and they'll tell you that they love NPR not only because of the information but also because of the personalities providing it. I believe Information personalities are as important as information content and that fact further reduces the advantage of being "local." He received some interesting (dissenting) feedback. Any comments? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" wrote: > I hang out in another radio forum that mainly concerns itself with programming.. Lately, the discussion has turned to ways radio can compete with newer media and regain some of it's past glory. They can get rather heated! I posted this there yesterday in response to another poster. He is the one guy in the crowd who always plays the devil's advocate, you know? He had taken a stand against something I had said about radio not serving the night time audience. He was pointing out syndicated all night talk shows to prove his point. Anyway, I though some of you might get a kick out of reading it and it certainly will show exactly where I stand on the issue! Maybe it will spark some debate from you guys on the subject, too. > > :) > JC > > LOCAL, LOCAL, LOCAL! > > I'm referring to the LOCAL audience! Radio has most certainly walked away from them. I could care less about Jim Bohanan, Art Bell, Dr. Laura, Delilah, Dave 'Till Dawn, John Tesh, Rush, Don Imus, or any of the rest of them. From a corporate point of view, it's all safe, bland and generic. They are all just brand names like The Big Mac, Whopper, Double-Stack, Jumbo Jack and any other fast food burger you can think of. McRadio! The overuse of brokered programming is devaluing terrestrial radio to the point of redundancy. > > You keep referring back to the days when TV came along and radio had to come up with new ideas to stay afloat. They did! It was: GET LOCAL! Radio has diminished in revenue steadily ever since the owners stopped investing in being LOCAL! It started on the early 80's and has steadily continued ever since. It is my opinion that the only thing that will ensure radio's survival in the years to come is GETTING LOCAL AGAIN! I mean, really doing it, too, and not trying to fool people into thinking you are doing it with VT's. > > The average guy on the street is getting wise to this stuff and it won't be long before they tune out altogether. Radio needs to get real. Get in there and do some real live radio and promote the hell out of it! Let 'em know that you have real people on the air all day and all night. Let 'em know that you are listening to them. Let them know they can call the studio lines anytime for anything. XM, Serious, iPods and the rest of the new media are doing a great job at promoting themselves. What is terrestrial radio doing? Nothing! What does radio have to promote? Not much! > > So what exactly do I mean by LOCAL? Well, LOCAL does not mean local spots inserted into piped in programming! > > LOCAL means programming that is produced locally by people who live in the area for people in that area. > > LOCAL means putting live people back on the radio so they can interact with the community in real time! > > LOCAL means doing research in your own market to figure out what music your target audience wants to hear and then not allowing some out-of-town corporate PD or consultant to talk you out of playing it.! > > LOCAL means talking about and being at concerts, festivals, ceremonies, parades, military homecomings, sporting events and other happenings that people will actually be going to and not wasting precious promotional resources at night clubs, car dealerships and cell phone stores. > > LOCAL means covering blizzards, riots, nuclear meltdowns and other emergencies when they happen, even if that's 4 o'clock Monday morning! > > You can't do any of the above without having a real live human being behind the board making moment to moment decisions about what he/she puts on the air next. Period. > > It galls me no end when I realize that the lights are on and nobody's home! Give me a willing kid who wants to learn and six weeks and I'll have him sounding better than most of the 'talent' you hear on the radio today. You know what? The kid would probably jump at the chance to work at 4 am on Monday and do it for minimum wage just to get the experience. I'll take the kid over Art Bell, VT's or segue serenade any day of the week! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Tue Dec 21 23:45:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18501 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 07:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 07:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au) (150.229.64.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 07:45:27 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (138.194.10.10) by vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au with ESMTP; 22 Dec 2004 18:45:23 +1100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.88,80,1102251600"; d="scan'208"; a="17780261:sNHT20047660" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBM7jMmi028019 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:45:23 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:45:22 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 150.229.64.37 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NEW TOPIC: PROGRAMMING X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, JC wrote: > I had no clue that Clear Channel was in your country! Those > bastards are one of the biggest reasons Radio is so bad off here! And here too! At least in America I expect the government doesn't allow foreign ownership. Our government said it would be good for the sake of competition. So we've ended up with the UK's Daily Mail Group, Irish Independent Newspapers, and ... God help us ... Clear Channel. And fewer owners! Clear Channel in such a short time is now controlling the third most powerful network of stations in Oz. And guess who owns 5DN? - the station which has just sold Adelaide's heart and soul ... Clear bloody Channel!! Ian :( From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Dec 22 00:57:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34386 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 08:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 08:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 08:56:59 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041222085655.PERA23615.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 03:56:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <7030A8F6-53F7-11D9-BBAB-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:56:58 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.35 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NEW TOPIC: PROGRAMMING X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alan Oda's on this list? THE Alan Oda? Richard On Dec 21, 2004, at 11:19 PM, Alan Oda wrote: > > Over at LARadio.com, a programming consultant, Mark Ramsey, stated=20 > that: > > Our vast distribution (i.e. standard, terrestrial radio) is an > advantage - only for a while. After all, the Internet's distribution > is likewise vast. What the Internet lacks, however, is warmth. Ask any > NPR listener and they'll tell you that they love NPR not only because > of the information but also because of the personalities providing it. > I believe Information personalities are as important as information > content and that fact further reduces the advantage of being "local."=A0 > > He received some interesting (dissenting) feedback.=A0 Any comments? > > - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Wed Dec 22 04:27:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35239 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 12:27:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 12:27:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 12:27:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 12:26:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 12:26:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:26:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2570 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: NEW TOPIC: PROGRAMMING X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions RE: Ian & Alan, Ian, you are correct that foreign ownership is not allowed here=85 I'm=20 sure CC lobbied the ABA and Parliament to get that rule changed in=20 Oz just the way they did the FCC and Congress here to make way for=20 cluster ownership! They have several legislators in their back=20 pockets and no matter how much noise is generated about their shoddy=20 stewardship of the airwaves, the vote always seems to go in CC's=20 favor. There is a theory among radio people that CC will implode=20 after they finally bleed the industry dry. If you start hearing=20 about CC selling off massive chunks of property, you'll know it's=20 happening. It would be a good thing for the rest of us if they did. Alan, I do agree with Mr. Ramsey that the internet is a very cold=20 medium but that`s the only thing I agree with=85. After all, it is=20 nothing more than a electronic bulletin board. The only true=20 interaction you can get from it is in a chat room and most folks are=20 not that desperate! This guy might be a consultant but he certainly=20 is no programmer=85 Radio's biggest strength is the ability to be=20 LOCAL and TIMELY. He is thinking very much inside the box=20 of `central control, central distribution.' It's McRadio! Guys=20 like this can't seem to grasp that every single station has the=20 potential to be programmed differently by people who live in the=20 community. His comments about NPR reflect the arrogant attitude=20 that NPR is the ONLY place where you can hear such personalities!=20=20 Every town in the world has great personalities that can add their=20 own special warmth to the information they pass along if given the=20 chance to do so.=20=20 For these guys it's all about having total control. They like to=20 think that they can push a button in NYC and every radio station in=20 the chain responds accordingly. Local control allows local people=20 the right to refuse any programming coming down from the network or=20 corporate headquarters=85 They don't like that! That sort of attitude=20 is not conducive to the functioning of a democracy and I hope people=20 realize that before they gain complete control over our medium.=20=20 NPR, CC and many of the other big media outlets seem to be suffering=20 from a `fifth estate' complex.=20=20 Edward R. Murrow once said, "The fact that your voice is amplified=20 to the degree where it reaches from one end of the country to the=20 other does not confer upon you greater wisdom or understanding than=20 you possessed when your voice reached only from one end of the bar=20 to the other." Mr. Ramsay obviously thinks it does! :) JC From radio603@malmo2.net Wed Dec 22 06:07:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97741 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 14:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 14:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO labs2.net) (82.209.166.11) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 14:07:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 13 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 14:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [82.209.145.147]) ([82.209.145.147]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Dec 2004 14:04:51 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.298 [265.6.3]); Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:08:29 +0100 Message-ID: <003f01c4e82f$b6a6ace0$9391d152@bredband2.com> To: "Huvudidentitet" Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:08:27 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 82.209.166.11 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: GOD JUL HAPPY SEASONS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trevlig helg! 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Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 2004-12-21 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Dec 22 07:19:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76122 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 15:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 15:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 15:19:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 15:19:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 15:19:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:18:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <410-22004122212025662@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 364 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 70.240.169.242 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > It is my understanding that exposure to IBOC transmissions immunizes people against the flu! : ) > Dick W. Funny, I thought it was those two foot static arcs / high levels of RF exposure at transmitters sites that immunized, but I guess my experience this fall negates that theory! From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Dec 22 07:23:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91664 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 15:23:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 15:23:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 15:23:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 15:22:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 15:22:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:22:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 478 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 70.240.169.242 Subject: LED light RFI? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I don't think it is the LED itself. We have them all over Plano, and I have a really hot AM setup in my car with extended antenna, etc (from the days when KOMA was still music). I get no static at all from any of the traffic lights. Quiet as a mouse even on quite distant and weak AM / FM stations. My biggest problem is with the local light rail system. It utilizes overhead electrical lines for power, and when a train is within a mile the RFI even blanks local. From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Dec 22 07:33:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37324 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 15:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 15:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 15:33:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 15:33:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 15:33:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:33:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 368 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 70.240.169.242 Subject: Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > > The [IBOC] 48kbs audio quality is way beyond AM and SCA > > audio quality and is certainly comparable to clean FM. It's > > 15kHz, "near-CD". > > Sorry, but as one of those "golden ears" people, I have to say it: > > Horse pucky, horse pucky, and horse pucky. Are your golden ears limited in frequency response to 2.4 kHz like the "golden" Bose wave radio? From tomray@wor710.com Wed Dec 22 09:29:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67517 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 17:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 17:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 17:29:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 17:29:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 17:29:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:29:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 558 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: KFI's tower brought down by plane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > By the way, when WOR was running 10 kW non-directional for a while, > circa 1997, was this with the Continental, or had the Harris been > installed yet? WOR is normally the strongest signal on the dial > here, but during that time, the reduced power was enough to allow the > station in Cuba on 710 kHz to be audible in the background of WOR's > signal at night. That would have been the Continental. The Harris went on the air on the evening of January 15, 1998. TR From tomray@wor710.com Wed Dec 22 09:31:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93491 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 17:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 17:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 17:31:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 17:31:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 17:31:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:31:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 864 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: KFI's tower brought down by plane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > By the way, when WOR was running 10 kW non-directional for a while, > circa 1997, was this with the Continental, or had the Harris been > installed yet? WOR is normally the strongest signal on the dial > here, but during that time, the reduced power was enough to allow the > station in Cuba on 710 kHz to be audible in the background of WOR's > signal at night. > Oh. That was also into an impedance mismatch. The old antenna configuration had a 75 Ohm common point impedance for 50KW operation....10KW operation was into 50 Ohms....and the Continental was tuned for 75 Ohms. There is no easy way to reload the Continental, so the mismatch was lived with. Impedance was changed to 50 Ohms for the common point (and the Continental retuned) on December 24, 1997. TR From tomray@wor710.com Wed Dec 22 09:33:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70815 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 17:33:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 17:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 17:33:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 17:33:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 17:33:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:33:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <410-22004122212025662@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 235 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > It is my understanding that exposure to IBOC transmissions immunizes people against the flu! : ) > Dick W. See. And you guys thought IBOC wasn't helpful ;-) From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Wed Dec 22 09:52:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45038 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 17:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 17:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.175.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 17:52:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:52:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.0.17.189 by BAY104-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:51:09 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [badeditproductions@hotmail.com] X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com To: References: <1103724903.385.84543.m12@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:51:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2004 17:52:00.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[F04C1E70:01C4E84E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.175.74 From: "Joe Collins" X-Originating-IP: [68.0.17.189] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1424 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions From petersdad2001@yahoo.com Wed Dec 22 13:52:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: petersdad2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87638 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 21:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 21:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 21:52:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 21:52:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 21:52:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:52:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7030A8F6-53F7-11D9-BBAB-000D9356B656@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 188 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Alan Oda" X-Originating-IP: 4.35.113.135 Subject: {AMSF} Re: NEW TOPIC: PROGRAMMING X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=79442875 X-Yahoo-Profile: petersdad2001 Richard, I'm actually honored to be in your company!!! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Alan Oda's on this list? THE Alan Oda? > > Richard From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Dec 22 14:16:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91500 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 22:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 22:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 22:16:26 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041222221609.CWKR23615.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:16:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <17C5854C-5467-11D9-9DB1-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:16:14 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.35 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NEW TOPIC: PROGRAMMING X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You've GOT to be kidding. You're the one who is the real expert on=20 things! Did you just join the list, or was I completely ignorant that you've=20 been here a while? Richard On Dec 22, 2004, at 1:52 PM, Alan Oda wrote: > > Richard, I'm actually honored to be in your company!!! > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > Alan Oda's on this list? THE Alan Oda? > > > > Richard > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > Get unlimited calls to > > U.S./Canada > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Dec 22 15:20:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26317 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 23:20:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 23:20:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 23:20:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 87661 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2004 23:20:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=IKGsZGGOUfp5FsfnRaJhJPAY7EjyZCK7DNgBc56MG2PDm+NgTRylS74iRIhLYGCHRwQEueDgiwoW9DaPQ64QbJRL+jj8POu0y12NuRitz0wrkbY4gCFTzUTQrX0lIhQREp7uUrOA1vKvi0GCWwtYKE4zkhqkc3StML0Gwi26xUw= ; Message-ID: <20041222232052.87659.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.74] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:20:52 PST Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:20:52 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > wrote: > > > Most LED traffic lights generate an annoyingly > high level of RF > > interference -- but not all of it ends up > affecting AM reception. > > =snip= > > Please don't say "most" unless you're sure of it- > The local LED > traffic lights don't generate ANY RFI, AM or FM. > Others have stated > similar to my experience. And here in SC I have not heard ANY interference from these LED lights. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Dec 22 16:17:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 84972 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2004 00:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2004 00:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2004 00:17:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2004 00:16:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2004 00:16:51 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17969 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 19:38:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 19:38:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 19:38:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 19:38:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2004 19:38:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:38:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 618 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.102 Subject: Re: NEW TOPIC: PROGRAMMING X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 23 Dec 2004 00:16:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 Part of the allure of internet-delivered radio is not just that you can listen with ease to stations all over the planet, but also the diversity. In a sense, all something-something thousand stations online are competing in the same market- A market in which ubiquity is a disadvantage. Thnat's right- Real competition. Broadcast radio lacks that as much as it lacks local content. The top stations in my market, KSLG/SMUD (on the FM dial), advertise that they are live and local 24/7, with diverse selections of music. The industry thinks ubiquity is the answer, when it should be uniquity. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 22 16:41:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61154 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2004 00:41:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2004 00:41:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2004 00:41:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2004 00:40:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2004 00:40:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 00:40:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 400 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.15 Subject: Re: WOR transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That would have been the Continental. The Harris went on the air > on the evening of January 15, 1998. Was WOR the last AM station in NYC (at least out of those which actually show up in the ratings) to use a vacuum-tube rig as its main transmitter? 1280 WADO rebuilt and upgraded their TX site in 1998, but I don't know if they were already using a solid-state transmitter prior to then. From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Wed Dec 22 17:18:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74510 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2004 01:18:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2004 01:18:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.45) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2004 01:18:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:18:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 69.208.245.134 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:17:41 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20041222232052.87659.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:17:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2004 01:18:01.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[3EB923D0:01C4E88D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.45 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [69.208.245.134] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Michigan (the state I live in) hasn't caught up with some of the other states, like Indiana, that uses the LED traffic lights statewide. When I've been in Indiana, I never got any RFI from these lights. However, in Michigan, on the older lights (especially the ones where the light goes out for a second before the next one in sequence eluminates), I hear a click for each step in the sequence. Paul Crane >From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line >Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:20:52 -0800 (PST) > > >--- Amy Mousie wrote: > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > > > wrote: > > > > > Most LED traffic lights generate an annoyingly > > high level of RF > > > interference -- but not all of it ends up > > affecting AM reception. > > > > =snip= > > > > Please don't say "most" unless you're sure of it- > > The local LED > > traffic lights don't generate ANY RFI, AM or FM. > > Others have stated > > similar to my experience. > > >And here in SC I have not heard ANY interference from >these LED lights. > >Powell > > > >===== >powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Dec 22 19:04:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80467 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2004 03:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2004 03:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.74) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2004 03:04:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:04:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.107.208 by BAY101-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 03:03:15 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:01:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2004 03:04:00.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D0E9C20:01C4E89C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.74 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.107.208] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T wrote: > Was WOR the last AM station in NYC to use a vacuum-tube rig as its main transmitter? I thought it was WBBR Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Dec 23 06:23:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19615 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2004 14:23:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2004 14:23:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2004 14:23:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2004 14:23:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2004 14:23:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:23:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 466 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: WOR's agenda X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I was talking to a guy the other day who knows an engineer or two in the NYC market. And the word is that WOR's over-the-top support for IBOC stems from their agreement with iBiquity to spearhead the IBOC push. iBiquity has basically given WOR all of the upgrade equipment for FREE. WOR isn't an objective station tinkering with a new technology--it's basically a mouthpiece for the iBiquity company. I know that surprises no one here. But thems the facts. From kya1260@lycos.com Thu Dec 23 08:14:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88101 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2004 16:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2004 16:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2004 16:14:47 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 5735F1800465 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:14:24 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 23 Dec 2004 16:09:41 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 52757CA07F; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:09:41 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:09:41 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Cc: jay@kvyn.com Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:09:41 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20041223160941.52757CA07F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Jay Arnold" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.95.242 Subject: Re: {AMSF} LED effects X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ I listen to AM radio quite often, and I've noticed no=20 noticeable interference on my AM radio in Northern=20 Calif, either...though the effects of the Green LEDs=20 are PAINFUL to my EYES at night ... I'll take the dimmer neon signal lights, thank you=20 :o) Merry Christmas, everyone, and may we all thrive in '05 - AM Radio's woes not withstanding. Keep the faith! --Jay KVON ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:20:52 -0800 (PST) >=20 >=20 > --- Amy Mousie wrote: >=20 > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > wrote: > > > > > Most LED traffic lights generate an annoyingly > > high level of RF > interference -- but not all of it ends up > > affecting AM reception. > > > > =3Dsnip=3D > > > > Please don't say "most" unless you're sure of it- > > The local LED traffic lights don't generate ANY RFI, AM or FM. > > Others have stated similar to my experience. >=20 >=20 > And here in SC I have not heard ANY interference from > these LED lights. >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From tomray@wor710.com Thu Dec 23 09:38:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5409 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2004 17:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2004 17:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2004 17:38:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2004 17:36:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2004 17:36:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:36:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 565 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: WOR transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > That would have been the Continental. The Harris went on the air > > on the evening of January 15, 1998. > > Was WOR the last AM station in NYC (at least out of those which > actually show up in the ratings) to use a vacuum-tube rig as its main > transmitter? 1280 WADO rebuilt and upgraded their TX site in 1998, > but I don't know if they were already using a solid-state transmitter > prior to then. It's very likely that we were. I'd have to ask around to find out. TR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Dec 23 09:45:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6003 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2004 17:45:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2004 17:45:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2004 17:45:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2004 17:38:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2004 17:38:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:37:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 303 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Kevin T wrote: > > Was WOR the last AM station in NYC to use a vacuum-tube rig as its > main transmitter? > > I thought it was WBBR > WBBR was on the air with a Nautel before I installed the DX-50 at WOR. TR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Dec 23 13:13:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36199 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2004 21:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2004 21:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2004 21:13:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2004 19:25:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2004 18:14:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:13:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3909 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: WOR's agenda X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > > I was talking to a guy the other day who knows an engineer or two in the NYC market. > And the word is that WOR's over-the-top support for IBOC stems from their > agreement with iBiquity to spearhead the IBOC push. iBiquity has basically given WOR > all of the upgrade equipment for FREE. WOR isn't an objective station tinkering with a > new technology--it's basically a mouthpiece for the iBiquity company. > > I know that surprises no one here. But thems the facts. Now let me correct your "facts". WOR was an experimental IBOC station, and yes, iBiquity gave us the IBOC equipment to use. This made sense, especially since there was no authority granted by the Commission at that point in time, and there were numerous changes to the software during the time we have had it on the air. We agreed to let iBiquity use and experiment with the WOR signal to better the industry...and because we had the balls to do so. We also had and have the ability to pull IBOC off the air at any time for any reason. We have made absolutely no attempt to hide this fact and, as a matter of fact, it is well known in this forum....so I don't know what rock you just crawled out from under. This equipment will be going back to iBiquity when our new transmitter site is on the air, as I have purchased not only two new Harris 3DX50 transmitters but also two Harris Dexstar IBOC exciters. And no, we did not get a discount. There is no "agreement" with iBiquity for WOR to "spearhead the IBOC push". There is no "agenda", and our "over the top" support does not extend from any agreement with iBiquity. Our "over the top" support is very simple. The system works and is much better to listen to than conventional AM, and our company is now planning on configuring our other stations in other markets. And WOR is no one's "mouthpiece". I am on record in the industry, in Radio World, and in this forum, as being a supporter of AM IBOC. I am also on record as stating that the system is not perfect, and for pointing out flaws with the system, part of which resulted in the change of audio coding. This is stuff that has been part of this forum for over 2 years now. We have nothing to hide, and have been straightforward with everyone. You have a question, we'll answer it. You want to see the site, we'll show it. Ask anyone here. For your information, I happen to know more than an engineer or two in NYC....and they have all been to our site and we've talked to them all. I don't think there is anyone in engineering in NYC who does not know us and has not questioned us and had their questions answered to their satisfaction. And they all know we have no "agenda", and know the story of our IBOC operation. We have been extremely open about it. Now, I don't know who you are or who the hell you think you are, but I am already sick and tired of the potshots you are taking at me, and I will not put up with it. If you are going to present something in this forum relating to WOR or myself as fact, you had best have your facts straight. If you want to disagree, please do so in a professional manner. Many here agree to disagree. But your mudslinging and false facts are not appreciated and will not be tolerated. It is people like you and your presentation of "facts" as stated above that also have me on record as saying that persons like you are "fanatical hobbyists". You can look up this statement in Radio World near the end of 2002, though this quote is not accurate because I haven't used it since. I have a respect for persons in this forum that, in most cases, is mutual. Your sarcasm and personal attacks should be left at the door. You don't like IBOC, fine, go ahead and state your issues with it. Get the chip off your shoulder regarding me and WOR. And do it quick. Tom Ray WOR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 23 21:41:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90380 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2004 03:32:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2004 03:32:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2004 03:32:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2004 03:31:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2004 03:30:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:38:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1897 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.138 Subject: Re: WOR's agenda X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > We agreed to let iBiquity use and experiment with the WOR signal to > better the industry...and because we had the balls to do so. {snip} > There is no "agreement" with iBiquity for WOR to "spearhead the > IBOC push". There is no "agenda", and our "over the top" support > does not extend from any agreement with iBiquity. You're contradicting yourself, Tom. First you say there is an agreement between WOR and iBiquity, then you say there isn't any agreement. And the fact is, WOR was the first AM station to conduct regular transmissions of iBiquity's IBOC/HD Radio system. Therefore it isn't too much of a stretch of logic to say that WOR "spearheaded the IBOC push". > Our "over the top" support is very simple. The system works and is > much better to listen to than conventional AM, I think the *listeners* and *consumers* will be the judge of that -- not anyone in the radio industry. > You don't like IBOC, fine, go ahead and state your issues with it. > Get the chip off your shoulder regarding me and WOR. And do it > quick. With all due respect, Tom, you have to realize that you probably have more hands-on experience with IBOC than anyone else in the world. The rest of us can only base our opinions and knowledge on what we are told -- and since what we are told is mostly coming from IBOC proponents such as yourself, many of us are rightfully skeptical. And I'm sorry if you take it personally, but the fact is, you have openly questioned the character and motives of AM Stereo enthusiasts and DXers, so therefore it is only logical that in turn, you may have your own character and motives questioned. Of course, I do not condone name-calling and personal attacks by anyone, but since you have accused us of having an anti-IBOC agenda, then people are free to accuse you (and WOR, since you speak on their behalf) of having a pro-IBOC agenda. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Dec 23 21:43:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53432 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2004 02:57:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2004 02:57:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2004 02:57:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2004 02:57:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2004 02:43:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 00:43:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 656 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: WOR's agenda X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << Many here agree to disagree. But your mudslinging and false facts are not appreciated and will not be tolerated. >> Show me where I've offered something false in this forum. I don't think you can. Your main problem with my posts is that they shine light on your endorsements of IBOC in ways that don't jive with the way you'd like to spin them. I assure you that I don't mean to sling mud. I happen to think that it's pretty revealing when you "doth protest too much" to being called a corporate pawn or a mouthpiece. If you truly weren't, then these labels would slide right off your back. You'd defend yourself and then dismiss them. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Dec 23 21:54:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1685 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2004 03:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2004 03:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2004 03:51:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 19:50:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 03:49:49 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:49:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2004 03:50:01.0166 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4F74EE0:01C4E96B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.83 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR's agenda X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Douglas wrote: > And the word is that WOR's over-the-top support for IBOC stems from their agreement with iBiquity to spearhead the IBOC push. iBiquity has basically given WOR all of the upgrade equipment for FREE. iBiquity SHOULD give WOR the equipment and upgrades for FREE! After all, WOR took quite a risk putting a box of unknown quality on the air that required modification of their *VERY* expensive transmitter and antenna! This box also has the potential to run away listeners with its degraded analog audio performance, as well as the decrease in coverage area for Digital listeners....and they did this in the nation's number 1 radio market! I think iBiquity owes WOR much more than a exciter box and some software upgrades. I know if somebody wanted me to put their experimental box on my spiffy new DX-50 transmitter, I would tell 'em where to shove it! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Dec 23 23:27:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4984 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2004 03:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2004 03:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2004 03:16:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2004 03:15:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2004 02:57:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 00:29:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 414 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: WOR's agenda X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << And WOR is no one's "mouthpiece". I am on record in the industry, in Radio World, and in this forum, as being a supporter of AM IBOC. >> You make my case for me. That's what I mean by "over-the-top" support of IBOC. When you take the stage in Radio World championing the company that's giving you free stuff, you don't always walk away with a lot of credibility. That's the way it looks to some people. From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Thu Dec 23 23:28:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69517 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2004 03:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2004 03:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2004 03:13:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2004 03:12:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2004 00:08:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:50:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2064 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: WOR's agenda X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions I'm new here but I fell compelled to put a word in on behalf of Tom=20 Ray. I've been reading about his ground breaking work at WOR for a=20 long time and I was very excited to see his name in this forum. Look, I'm not a fan of the IBOC system. I think there is much work=20 to be done before it delivers on all of it's promises. I believe C- QUAM is the best we got now and it is a crying shame that more=20 stations aren't running it and there are not more radios out there=20 that can receive it. In fact, the AM stereo story is one of the most=20 tragic in the history of radio. However, the entire medium is in=20 trouble, especially AM radio. Things cannot continue as they are now=20 without something being done to make radio more competitive with new=20 media. IBOC might be our last hope, here! I know it has been sited=20 that AM's do well in some markets but those numbers do not reflect=20 the overall drop in listenership and the dwindling revenue that radio=20 has had to endure over the last ten years. With that in mind, Tom Ray and the company he works for are taking a=20 big risk in putting an unproven system on the air at one of the most=20 prestigious and historic radio stations in this country. He is=20 breaking new ground just like when Armstrong was developing FM and=20 Leonard Kahn and the rest were working on AM stereo=85 He deserves our=20 respect and a great deal of thanks for taking the time to come here=20 and share his experiences and opinions with us. In other words, he is=20 DOING SOMETHING about the problem! What are you doing? Get out there and make yourself be heard if you are not happy about=20 IBOC! You'll need to get your message out to the average consumer so=20 it will generate demand for the AM stereo radios and that will=20 encourage stations to run the system and program with stereo in mind=20 again. I'd love to see some new ideas and hear about what you've=20 accomplished to do that. Snipping back and forth here will do nobody any good. We are all=20 converts here=85 You are only preaching to the choir here!=20=20 Happy Holidays :) JC From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Thu Dec 23 23:48:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18393 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2004 02:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2004 02:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2004 02:51:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2004 02:49:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2004 02:48:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 00:21:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 982 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: WOR's agenda X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << Now, I don't know who you are or who the hell you think you are, but I am already sick and tired of the potshots you are taking at me, and I will not put up with it. >> You have basically conceded the content of my previous post, and then have labeled it a "potshot." Interesting. Nice doublespeak. No, it doesn't look good when you receive equipment for free and then go on boards such as this and fight tooth and nail for the company that provided you with the equipment. So, in that sense, I can see why you're miffed. Whether you like it or not, you've got an appearance of a conflict of interest going there. By the way, when I asked you what sort of AM radio you used for your IBOC vs. Analog taste test with your group of female listeners, you very obviously avoided the question. I wanted to know if you had stacked the deck. But I think you said that the signal "is what it is." Pretty vague wording for an engineer. Intentionally vague, I'd say. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 24 00:35:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5803 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2004 04:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2004 04:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14223.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2004 04:57:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 81703 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 2004 04:57:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=GfkqPQjM/D0ILSvRlNUrZU2fyWvPFh/dYL5edHwGMM/fNnD551oVEqMHKi89P3ynDQ8Fl56Brc6sNSYkGMUyUBC13iT1zx91ZYu20rTWZ6SSGEcqThVUpyFE+4owB0e4yIycudI703YiiL5rwDvXZagrj2atal9OXmWDTU81bWw= ; Message-ID: <20041224045726.81701.qmail@web14223.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.0.194.48] by web14223.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:57:26 PST Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:57:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.171.107 From: "John P." Subject: AM Stereo just for XMAS at your local AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi all, I was already 'given the finger' when I asked my local CC station engineer if he'd turn the AM Stereo on for just ONE DAY while playing Christmas music; however, many AM stations have turned their idle AM Stereo exciter back on for their one day of musical broadcasting. I hope the rest of you have better luck with your locals flipping the C-Quam back on for just a day - it doesn't hurt to ask - you never know. Maybe WBZ, WGN and WSM will run their backup transmitters in stereo? Merry Christmas to all and to all a good AM Stereo listening night! from "Johnny Electron" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Dec 24 03:13:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96933 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2004 08:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2004 08:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2004 08:23:51 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041224082320.LTYT23615.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 03:23:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <159804B8-5585-11D9-811E-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 00:23:26 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.35 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR's agenda X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is getting out of hand. Again. Richard Wagoner On Dec 23, 2004, at 4:21 PM, Douglas wrote: > > << Now, I don't know who you are or who the hell you think you are, > but I am already sick and tired of the potshots you are taking at me, > and I will not put up with it. >> > > You have basically conceded the content of my previous post, and then > have labeled it a "potshot."=A0 Interesting.=A0 Nice doublespeak. > > No, it doesn't look good when you receive equipment for free and then > go on boards such as this and fight tooth and nail for the company > that provided you with the equipment.=A0 So, in that sense, I can see > why you're miffed.=A0 Whether you like it or not, you've got an > appearance of a conflict of interest going there. > > By the way, when I asked you what sort of AM radio you used for your > IBOC vs. Analog taste test with your group of female listeners, you > very obviously avoided the question.=A0 I wanted to know if you had > stacked the deck.=A0 But I think you said that the signal "is what it > is."=A0 Pretty vague wording for an engineer.=A0 Intentionally vague, I'= d > say. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 24 03:51:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66539 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2004 09:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2004 09:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2004 09:36:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2004 09:35:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2004 09:35:54 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41606 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2004 03:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2004 03:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2004 03:21:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2004 03:20:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2004 03:13:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 02:17:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1066 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.63 Subject: Re: WOR's agenda X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 24 Dec 2004 09:35:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 I will state this quite plainly: Mr. Ray, Before you go off on someone here of "unprofessional behavior", please check yourself in the mirror, thank you. Marginalizing us radio enthusiasts and electronics hobbyists is what I call "unprofessional behavior", and much of your continued behavior here have been sporadically unprofe4ssional. We're your audience. We're who your advertisers pay for. We are your listeners. If we, your listeners, are so unimportant to you, how can you expect us to respect you? And your retorts against Douglas and Bruce Carter- This is also unporofessional, as these are professionals in the radio business- People who are your peers. I have known Douglas and Bruce for ye3ars in these forums, and they have been nothing but professional, and when they haven't (a human condition, forgivable), they will acknowledge that without dismissing it. I have known a number of professionals, here and elsewhere- some I respect, some I don't. I would expect some professionalism from you, so if you please.... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From krichards@wor710.com Fri Dec 24 06:35:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44380 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2004 09:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2004 09:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2004 09:37:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2004 09:36:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2004 09:36:11 -0000 X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41168 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2004 03:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2004 03:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2004 03:56:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2004 03:56:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2004 03:44:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 02:16:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 848 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 69.3.106.227 Subject: Re: WOR transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 24 Dec 2004 09:36:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 I think probably WEVD had a Continental on the air for a while after Tom put in the DX-50. They were the last to go of the big guys with the install of the XL60 Nautels. They did this right before the LMA with Disney. Kevin Plumb finished the job when he remodeled the WEVD bulding by moving them (the XL60's) into a new space and creating storage and shop space for ABC when they completed the purchase of WEVD now WEPN. Kerry..... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > wrote: > > Kevin T wrote: > > > Was WOR the last AM station in NYC to use a vacuum-tube rig > as its > > main transmitter? > > > > I thought it was WBBR > > > > WBBR was on the air with a Nautel before I installed the DX-50 at WOR. > > TR From oldphones@webtv.net Fri Dec 24 08:07:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1545 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2004 16:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2004 16:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.137) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2004 16:06:57 -0000 Received: from storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id EA84AD6DC; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:05:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id IAA24298; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:05:10 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAjPJAV78oricbELNKLDSZgC6n2XECFBBS3e7jpFFXrR3Wzt2JuOiPvZoT Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:05:10 -0600 To: abdx@abdx.org Cc: abdx@abdx.org, ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <21547-41CC3E36-3246@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Philip Rafuse" 's message of Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:45:08 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.137 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [ABDX] - Merry Christmas and good DX! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Happy Hoildays and Merry Christmas to everyone on the ABDX and Am Stereo Fan lists!!! Bill Snyder - Omaha Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From groucho@skyweb.net Fri Dec 24 10:30:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47125 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2004 17:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2004 17:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2004 17:27:30 -0000 Received: from [66.6.132.219] (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBOHRjmS074274 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:27:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <41CC5170.2080007@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:27:12 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1A3B6CF82D867E4DA14E074DE01D1728233C8C@aubwm208.apac.corp.eds.com> In-Reply-To: <1A3B6CF82D867E4DA14E074DE01D1728233C8C@aubwm208.apac.corp.eds.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Christmas Present - 1053 2CA Aircheck - FunFunFun X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 WTTM Will Be Broadcasting X-mas Music from around 11-12 pm to about 4-5 Pm since I only have about 4-5 hours Of X-mas Music in my Servers. Enjoy the Full AM stereo sound.. get your Recorders ready... Neal Trim, Matthew L wrote: >Seems like us Aussies are beating the US at your own game! :) > >ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/upload-here-please/2ca-funfunfun.mp3 > >Here is some sweeeet "oldies" CQUAM for your enjoyment! > >I'll be posting more as I edit them up (Mp3DirectCut is awesome!) > >Cheers, > >Matt > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Dec 24 15:21:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15424 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2004 23:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2004 23:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2004 23:21:10 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.23.189]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:21:08 -0700 Message-ID: <00b701c4ea0f$40421c60$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:21:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2004 23:21:09.0731 (UTC) FILETIME=[404B6B30:01C4EA0F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} NEW TOPIC: PROGRAMMING X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude For those of us not on that programming list, please tell us who the naysayer is. Just wondering if it's the same guy that sometimes posts on a tech list I'm on; he's got an extensive programming background. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Collins" > I hang out in another radio forum that mainly concerns itself with programming.. Lately, the discussion has turned to ways radio can compete with newer media and regain some of it's past glory. They can get rather heated! I posted this there yesterday in response to another poster. He is the one guy in the crowd who always plays the devil's advocate, you know? He had taken a stand against something I had said about radio not serving the night time audience. He was pointing out syndicated all night talk shows to prove his point. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Fri Dec 24 15:38:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3381 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2004 23:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2004 23:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2004 23:22:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2004 23:19:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2004 23:19:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 23:19:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <21547-41CC3E36-3246@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 182 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: [ABDX] - Merry Christmas and good DX! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Yes, indeed! Merry Christmas!!! Peace & Grace to all of you! Douglas "To what will you look for help if you will not look to that which is stronger than yourself?" -- C.S. Lewis From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Fri Dec 24 17:26:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7916 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2004 20:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2004 20:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.195) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2004 20:28:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:28:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.82.229.36 by BAY22-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:27:40 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 03:49:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2004 20:28:00.0428 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FC996C0:01C4E9F7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.195 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [67.82.229.36] Subject: BE AX-10 AMS Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I am looking for info on this exciter. I know it is PLL synthesized, but i'm interested in whether or not it can be used as a stand alone transmitter. I have heard rumor it does 40 watts and can be used as a stand alone low power AMS Transmitter. can someone confirm. I want to set up a AMS Carrier Current Station. also can someone point me in the right direction to find one, and what kind of cost would i be looking at. also any info i should know about these that i'm missing. Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis http://www.part15.us http://www.freecycle.org From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Dec 24 19:03:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29984 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2004 23:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2004 23:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2004 23:05:28 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.23.189]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:05:26 -0700 Message-ID: <006101c4ea0d$0e9162e0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <003f01c4e82f$b6a6ace0$9391d152@bredband2.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:05:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2004 23:05:27.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EB90F20:01C4EA0D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} GOD JUL HAPPY SEASONS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Did Boone and Erickson's "Lutefisk Lament" ever make it up to your part of the world? (Charlie Boone and Roger Erickson were the former morning personalities on WCCO radio and they were well known for doing comedic bits, and the LL was one they actually recorded and made available to the public. It was a spoof on Twas the Night Before Christmas, about preparing for the Christmas meal which included lutefisk, to the narrator's veiwpoint a dreadful detail.) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Sandgren" > Trevlig helg! > A MERRY X-MAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR !!! > > SOON ON AIR AGAIN !!! > > > Roy Sandgren From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Dec 24 19:41:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10357 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2004 22:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2004 22:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2004 22:53:17 -0000 Received: from [4.247.209.15] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ChyJA-0000gy-EW for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:53:16 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=FMsRIcUTXWU/fad11GKmenbhXMYY3ZbI8pA3r6VtvAf1TTNqyhvJ9a9nHegD0DCl; Message-ID: <410-2200412524225322875@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.62.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:53:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc1d484b1ab185e282be2c98e274f6db3d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.86.89.66 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Originating-IP: 4.247.209.15 Subject: OT Merry Christmas! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Merry Christmas to everyone on the list! Dick W. From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Dec 24 20:00:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99164 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2004 23:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2004 23:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2004 23:26:36 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.23.189]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:26:22 -0700 Message-ID: <00c001c4ea0f$fb524b60$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:26:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2004 23:26:23.0561 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB5A1390:01C4EA0F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I wonder how many broadcasters have hollered? If they don't then the NAB won't know to do so either. Judging by some of the other replies from folks who say it hasn't been a problem may mean it's either a sloppy installation or that only certain makes create RFI. Perhaps the listeners need to complain to the stations. There are a lot of places the chain can break on this one. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 9:01 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM/ Crawford's Company Line > > Kevin T. wrote: > > Most LED traffic lights generate an annoyingly high level of RF > interference > > Yes, there is no way in Hell the new LED traffic lights here in Florida > comply with Part 15. Some of them can even jam the signal of local 50 KW > AMs!. I found one in Lakeland that wipes out local WSJT 94.1 FM. I wonder > why the NAB has not raised Hell to the FCC about these new lights? > > Kevin in Tampa > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 24 20:52:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89420 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2004 02:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2004 02:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2004 02:37:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 02:37:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 02:37:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 02:37:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1337 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.138 Subject: Re: BE AX-10 AMS Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I am looking for info on this exciter. I know it is PLL > synthesized, but i'm interested in whether or not it can be used as > a stand alone transmitter. I have heard rumor it does 40 watts and > can be used as a stand alone low power AMS Transmitter. I have one of these on my shelf. The AX10 has its output frequency set by DIP switches. The exciter output is about 10 watts, but that is only the phase-modulated portion of the signal, not a fully modulated AM signal. If you try to directly receive this signal on a mono AM radio, it will have a strong carrier, but all you'll hear is silence, since the amplitude-modulated portion of the signal is missing. The AX10 does have a "test" output which provides a correctly- modulated C-Quam AM Stereo signal -- which is exactly what you're looking for, but this output is only about 80 mW, so it's strictly a FCC Part 15-type micropower signal. Other C-Quam exciters follow a similar design; the fully-modulated "test" output is usually only in the 80 to 100 mW range. You could, however, use a C-Quam exciter together with an LPB transmitter (the kind used by Traveller's Information Service stations), which can put out up to 30 watts. Other low-power AM (mono) transmitter kits, such as the Ramsey AM-25, can also be modified to work with a C-Quam exciter. From dougharding@bellsouth.net Fri Dec 24 21:04:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19326 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2004 00:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2004 00:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2004 00:01:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 00:01:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 00:01:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:01:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <159804B8-5585-11D9-811E-000D9356B656@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 326 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 65.6.205.68 Subject: This is getting too hot! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > This is getting out of hand. Again. > > Richard Wagoner > You are right someone must do something about the heat. I have had my air conditioning running here in Miami today because it is so hot! MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY HANUKKAH TO EVERYONE! From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Dec 24 21:21:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66297 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2004 04:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2004 04:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2004 04:39:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 04:39:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 04:39:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 04:38:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 182 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Jeff Lehmann" X-Originating-IP: 24.218.84.129 Subject: Stereo pilot on WLW? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Is anyone else seeing a stereo pilot light on 700 WLW right now? I'm guessing it's probably just because of stations mixing, but I just figured I'd check. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 24 21:25:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12354 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2004 05:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2004 05:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2004 05:25:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 05:24:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 05:24:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 05:24:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2618 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 68.124.97.82 Subject: Re: WOR's agenda X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" =20 wrote: >=20 > I'm new here but I fell compelled to put a word in on behalf of > Tom=20 > Ray. I've been reading about his ground breaking work at WOR for > a=20 > long time and I was very excited to see his name in this forum. >=20 > Look, I'm not a fan of the IBOC system. I think there is much > work=20 > to be done before it delivers on all of it's promises. I believe > C- > QUAM is the best we got now and it is a crying shame that more=20 > stations aren't running it and there are not more radios out > there=20 > that can receive it. In fact, the AM stereo story is one of the=20 most=20 > tragic in the history of radio. However, the entire medium is in=20 > trouble, especially AM radio. Things cannot continue as they are=20 now=20 > without something being done to make radio more competitive with=20 new=20 > media. IBOC might be our last hope, here! I know it has been=20 sited=20 > that AM's do well in some markets but those numbers do not > reflect=20 > the overall drop in listenership and the dwindling revenue that=20 radio=20 > has had to endure over the last ten years. >=20 > With that in mind, Tom Ray and the company he works for are taking=20 a=20 > big risk in putting an unproven system on the air at one of the=20 most=20 > prestigious and historic radio stations in this country. He is=20 > breaking new ground just like when Armstrong was developing FM and=20 > Leonard Kahn and the rest were working on AM stereo=85 He deserves > our=20 > respect and a great deal of thanks for taking the time to come here=20 > and share his experiences and opinions with us. In other words, he=20 is=20 > DOING SOMETHING about the problem! What are you doing? >=20 > Get out there and make yourself be heard if you are not happy about=20 > IBOC! You'll need to get your message out to the average > consumer so=20 > it will generate demand for the AM stereo radios and that will=20 > encourage stations to run the system and program with stereo in=20 mind=20 > again. I'd love to see some new ideas and hear about what > you've=20 > accomplished to do that. >=20 > Snipping back and forth here will do nobody any good. We are all=20 > converts here=85 You are only preaching to the choir here!=20=20 >=20 > Happy Holidays >=20 > :) >=20 > JC Hi Gang I am doing my part!!!! I am trying bring one station back=20 to AM STEREO and bring a new one the air. And some one said to me=20 that i should not post that stuff here. I tolded him that i am right=20 on topic and i am not biching and belly acking about AM STEREO that=20 i am trying to improve it. And i am a pore guy to. Merry Xmas=20 Gang. Jim Smith From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 24 21:30:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85541 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2004 02:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2004 02:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2004 02:23:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 02:23:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 02:23:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 02:22:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <41CC5170.2080007@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1001 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.138 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Christmas Present X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WTTM Will Be Broadcasting X-mas Music from around 11-12 pm to about > 4-5 Pm since I only have about 4-5 hours Of X-mas Music in my > Servers. Enjoy the Full AM stereo sound.. get your Recorders > ready... > Neal I'll definitely be recording it... and also, Greater Media is running an AM Stereo/FM Stereo simulcast of Christmas music on 1450 WCTC and 98.3 WMGQ. The FM station has actually been playing all-holiday music since the week of Thanksgiving, but the last 30 hours of it (from 6 PM Christmas Eve to midnight on Christmas Day) is the AM/FM simulcast and is commercial-free (they do have live announcers around the clock, though -- it's not automated or voice-tracked, as you might expect). Also, 770 WABC got an early start to Christmas music -- I heard them playing it at 3 PM today (Friday). Of course, WABC is mono and their audio is quite over-processed (as is typical of ABC stations in New York City), but is full 10 kHz bandwidth and sounds very good nonetheless. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Dec 24 21:36:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88359 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2004 01:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2004 01:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.198.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2004 01:08:21 -0000 Received: from n1zzn (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004122501082001500r8kkee>; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 01:08:20 +0000 To: Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:08:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c4ea1e$3b8755a0$6500a8c0@n1zzn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.198.39 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: 760 WJR, Christmas music in Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn I see 760 WJR has started playing Christmas music in wonderful AM Stereo! Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays to all! Jeff Lehmann From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Dec 24 21:44:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42936 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2004 05:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2004 05:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2004 05:44:38 -0000 Received: from JUAN ([67.35.103.48]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with SMTP id <20041225054437.NYDD1992.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@JUAN> for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:44:37 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c4ea44$cfd9f520$0201a8c0@JUAN> To: References: <1103951087.2114.43119.m25@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:44:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.152.59.68 From: Subject: Merry Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Merry Christmas Everyone ! Juan Gualda Fort Pierce, FL WTTB WOSN WGNX WGYL From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Dec 24 23:01:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4713 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2004 05:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2004 05:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.198.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2004 05:48:40 -0000 Received: from n1zzn (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <200412250539420130012p6ne>; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 05:39:42 +0000 To: Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:39:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c4ea44$2456a3b0$6500a8c0@n1zzn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000401c4ea1e$3b8755a0$6500a8c0@n1zzn> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.198.35 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} 760 WJR, Christmas music in Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Never mind, the ABC/Disney show was in mono... Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Lehmann [mailto:jjlehmann@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 8:08 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} 760 WJR, Christmas music in Stereo! I see 760 WJR has started playing Christmas music in wonderful AM Stereo! Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays to all! Jeff Lehmann Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 24 23:32:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9371 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2004 07:32:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2004 07:32:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2004 07:32:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 07:32:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 07:32:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 07:32:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 841 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.138 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR's agenda X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > iBiquity SHOULD give WOR the equipment and upgrades for FREE! After > all, WOR took quite a risk putting a box of unknown quality on the > air that required modification of their *VERY* expensive > transmitter and antenna! Actually, the quality of iBiquity's IBOC exciter was pretty well known -- after only a few weeks of use, it "blew up", and took WOR's main transmitter off the air along with it. They had to put the trusty old Continental on the air while they sorted out the mess. Of course, iBiquity quickly sent them a replacement IBOC exciter, which as far as I know is still the one they're using today (albeit with numerous software upgrades since then). Alas, those who are on the bleeding edge of technology are the most likely to get cut... but the question is, is this technology hurting more than it is helping? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Dec 25 00:09:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71469 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2004 08:09:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2004 08:09:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14223.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2004 08:09:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 55577 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2004 08:09:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=u7PYKEq762GNCcIlNRLGYdNj0olJuvv8To7k7wLKuey0FRmmCpm9AEXmrRfEGmsAWNxfWjZtnTAQe2/JCurTHsfRbPD5OER1mQBogXPGI4pjUX6hBg3QAxXaz87KsH/txe4Ysj/TjT3kg/ygJt9nqvjwsk6F1JGtT/UFaCcqUHg= ; Message-ID: <20041225080951.55575.qmail@web14223.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.0.194.48] by web14223.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:09:51 PST Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:09:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.171.107 From: "John P." Subject: Stereo pilot on WLW? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yep, I'm getting a stereo pilot on 700 WLW this early Christmas morning too, but no true separation - it hits on the second I tune in the station too - interesting. Conditions must be weird, as I'm getting CFCO as strong as if they were on their day pattern and power. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From zebra@strangeanimals.net Sat Dec 25 00:26:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58739 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2004 08:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2004 08:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2004 08:26:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 08:26:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 08:26:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 08:26:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2197 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "amradiozebra" X-Originating-IP: 67.180.39.140 Subject: IBOC in San Francisco... My thoughts (like you care) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra First off, Merry Christmas. No flamewars on xmas day please. :) pretty please. IBOC is here in SF now. Stereo AM is now gone. (Crawfords' mono + carrier doesn't count, and I'm not into that sort of thing anyway! *grumbles about cherry pickers and war and intolerance* oh right. no flames. okay. back to the point.) Heck just today I was wondering why the local newsradio station was so hissy - I looked for the non existent laptop power brick. And then it dawned on me. Sure enough, it's IBOC! So much for me side-tuning to make the cheap AM radio (A Sony mono radio-casette) listenable. Is it an improvement? No. Will most people notice the problem? No, I don't think so. Especially in cars with their digital tuning. I have got to wonder WHY a talk format wants IBOC, but I think I can live with it. I guess now that KABL is "gone" and I don't really need to care about stereo music on AM - well I'm used to the idea. If a >$60 IBOC radio comes out? I might buy one. $400? NFW. Disney in SF is background noise at best, though they DO broadcast excellent mono sound - with the end result that they sound dull on crap radios. The problem with "all those narrow radios" out there is a very real one, and one GOOD thing IBOC will do is solve the frequency response problem plaguing AM! And that IS a problem, we all know it is. (Have you heard the sound in new GM cars? It's a joke, right?) To Tom of WOR: Please don't push the high end so hard! (based on your online samples) It DOES sound like crap - it makes my ears literally shrink back in horror. I certainly don't mind .mp3 or .aac or real player etc, so it must be something you are doing. Maybe there are no young and un burnt-out (from the cans) ears in the loop? After all .aac uses an AM IBOC style harmonic synth as well and I like the sound just fine. Can IBOC on AM ever work to provide good stereo? Well here in SF - it's our only frigging shot at it at this point. I'd LOVE to get to play with a station to get it to sound good through phones... :D Will FM IBOC sell when even diversity tuned radios are non-existent? Will $400 AM radios sell - to listen to traffic reports? Well I have this bridge, talk to me! From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 25 01:06:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26404 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2004 09:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2004 09:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2004 09:06:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 09:06:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 09:06:47 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37868 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2004 08:51:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2004 08:51:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2004 08:51:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 08:51:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 08:51:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 08:51:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1537 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.94 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR's agenda X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 25 Dec 2004 09:06:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Alas, those who are on the bleeding edge of technology are the most > likely to get cut... but the question is, is this technology hurting > more than it is helping? Taking a risk on new technologies means just that- It is risky, not always a sure bet. As for the pros and cons of IBOC, I think I cited many of these cons, and I've honestly been trying to find any real advantages to the system- There must be an "added value" to warrant the expense for both broadcaster and listener to invest in such equipment....although we all know those gizmo-types who will buy anything just because it's "new" and "different", whether or not there is any real added value to warrant their purchases. And to be honest, I think IBOC comes up very short in its pros vs. its cons, mostly to the detriment of its listeners (most of whom will never benefit from any improvement, even to the analog signal, unlike C-QUAM, although most never notice its benefits, such as reduced distortion, more stable, lifelike signal, etc.), fellow local/regional broadcasters (adjacent interference) and to the broadcasters themselves (EXPENSIVE, even for the typical station budget, plus reduced performance and "self-jamming"). We all know every single problem that IBOC is supposed to solve can be and already has been solved by various means WITHOUT significant expense, so again, I ask: WHY?? Is this grief really worth it? I don't think so. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Dec 25 01:11:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60200 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2004 09:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2004 09:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.139) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2004 09:11:53 -0000 Received: from storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id BD95DD604; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 01:11:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id BAA08000; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 01:11:52 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAj+DzH3g+zXZK9ACftqF0Qemp7xMCFQCMfI2kocy5EBUgbOHChKnwLdHNJQ== Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 03:11:52 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: abdx@abdx.org, ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, 10Kc@fmtc.com Message-ID: <14757-41CD2ED8-7321@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 25 Dec 2004 05:04:47 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.139 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Xmas Loggings 12/25 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 We1l, It's Christmas and Merry Christmas if I haven't said it already This early morning loggings XM124 The Sean Hannity Show with 3 hours of christmas favorites until 0500 CST this Morning XM11, 23, 24 and 83 are all Xmas music all day!! AM Loggings Teac AG-370 and Sony SRF-A100 ((( Am Stereo ))) Receiver Most done on Teac unless other wise noted MOST all had Christmas Music or Programming WLS, WBAP, WJR are all // to each other with Disney Xmas Special WJR In AM Stereo on SRF-A100 WBAP unusually weak tonight?? 560 MO KTWO Springfield, MO XMas Music Not a regular here at Omaha, NE 590 NE KOMJ Omaha Xmas " " 650 TN WSM Nashville Xmas Music 660 NE KCRO Xmas programming Low power 670 IL WSCR Chicago Normal programming 680 MO KFEQ St Joseph Xmas music 720 IL WGN Chicago 760 MI WJR Detroit AM Stereo Disney Xmas Special 780 IL WBBM Chicago news 820 TX WBAP AM Stereo Disney Xmas Special ... weak tonight 840 KY WHAS Louisville 850 CO KOA Denver Xmas music 890 IL WLS Chicago Disney Xmas Special on slight tape delay vs. WBAP, WJR 920 IA KYFR Shanadoah Family radio with Xmas programming 1020 IA, NE KOIL Plattsmouth, NE Country Xmas Music 1040 IA WHO Des Moines Xmas Music 1090 AR KAAY Little Rock Rel Programming 1110 NE KFAB Omaha Xmas Music 1120 MO KMOX St Louis (received on SRF-A100) Xmas Music 1160 UT KSL ST Lake City Xmas music with same format as KFAB >> KSL is rare here. 1180 IA, NE KYDS Bellevue, NE Radio Disney 1290 NE KKAR Omaha Xmas Music 1530 KY, OH WSAI Cincinnatti Xmas music Rare here at Omaha, NE From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 25 01:27:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14059 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2004 09:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2004 09:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2004 09:27:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 09:27:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 09:27:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 09:27:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1645 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.138 Subject: AM Stereo audio: less is more X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As I prepare to make new recordings of Christmas music in excellent AM Stereo this year, there is unfortunately one thing from the past which I cannot recapture: superb dynamic range. As I was going through tapes of WCTC's Christmas music programming from 1999, I was really surprised and impressed with the excellent dynamic range that their audio used to have. Today, WCTC's AM Stereo audio is technically better than it has ever been before, with crisp highs, wide separation, and no distortion. But yet, in order to make the station sound more "competitive", it is now also louder and more highly processed than ever before. Dynamic range is one of those sneaky things which you don't even realize you are missing until you get to hear it again. So for those of you who would like to get a taste of what WCTC sounded like five years ago, here is a clip of one of the more impressive moments I had on tape: http://www.geocities.com/amstereoexp/wctcxm99.mp3 This was recorded from a Sony SRF-42, and even with that radio's rather inexpensive design, the sound is among the best I've ever heard from an AM Stereo station, merely due to its lack-baid sound, which is clear, open, and relaxed, rather than "in-your-face" as is commonplace on AM and FM radio these days. And when was the last time an hourly ID actually caught your attention, instead of just blending into the programming? In this clip, I think it does. p.s. If anyone has an explanation of what is heard at the 1:00 mark in this clip, I'd be interested to hear it. It's not a fault of my reception or recording; it's what was broadcast on the air. From dougharding@bellsouth.net Sat Dec 25 09:09:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28054 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2004 17:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2004 17:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2004 17:09:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 17:09:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 17:09:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 17:09:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 159 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 65.6.205.68 Subject: HD Car Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I am just curious, are any car manufactures offerring HD Factory Car Stereos in the 2005 models? I know Ford is still selling its cars with C-QUAM AM Stereo. From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sat Dec 25 10:00:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13529 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2004 18:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2004 18:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2004 18:00:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 18:00:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 18:00:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 17:59:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041224045726.81701.qmail@web14223.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1214 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "dbdigital2004" X-Originating-IP: 69.3.134.138 Subject: Re: AM Stereo just for XMAS at your local AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote= : > Hi all, > I was already 'given the finger' when I asked my local CC station enginee= r if > he'd turn the AM Stereo on for just ONE DAY while playing Christmas music= ; > however, many AM stations have turned their idle AM Stereo exciter back o= n for > their one day of musical broadcasting.=20=20 > I hope the rest of you have better luck with your locals flipping the C-Q= uam > back on for just a day - it doesn't hurt to ask - you never know. Maybe = WBZ, > WGN and WSM will run their backup transmitters in stereo? >=20 > Merry Christmas to all and to all a good AM Stereo listening night! > from "Johnny Electron Well, none of the AM stations in L.A. who don't normally broadcast in stere= o (but have the=20 equipment for it) have taken up the invitation to do so. However, KABC 790 has dropped it's gab radio format for the day to broadcas= t holiday=20 music in stereo. The audio is incredible; noise-free with excellent separa= tion.=20=20 KABC is to be commended for broadcasting the true potential of AMS today. db >> Do you Yahoo!?=20 > All your favorites on one personal page =96 Try My Yahoo! > http://my.yahoo.com From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Dec 25 10:21:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73025 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2004 18:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2004 18:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.241.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2004 18:21:04 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041225182048.SUEA5137.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 13:20:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 10:20:51 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.38 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo audio: less is more X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds like a fast forward or rewind of a tape or cart got potted up=20 for a second accidentally. On Dec 25, 2004, at 1:27 AM, Kevin T. wrote: > p.s. If anyone has an explanation of what is heard at the 1:00 mark > in this clip, I'd be interested to hear it.=A0 It's not a fault of my > reception or recording; it's what was broadcast on the air. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sat Dec 25 14:29:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87285 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2004 22:29:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2004 22:29:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2004 22:29:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 22:29:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2004 22:29:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:28:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <14757-41CD2ED8-7321@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2201 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "dbdigital2004" X-Originating-IP: 69.3.134.138 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Xmas Loggings 12/25 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > We1l, It's Christmas and Merry Christmas if I haven't said it already > This early morning loggings > XM124 The Sean Hannity Show with 3 hours of christmas favorites > until 0500 CST this Morning XM11, 23, 24 and 83 are all Xmas music all > day!! > AM Loggings Teac AG-370 and Sony SRF-A100 ((( Am Stereo ))) > Receiver > Most done on Teac unless other wise noted > MOST all had Christmas Music or Programming > > WLS, WBAP, WJR are all // to each other with Disney Xmas Special WJR > In AM Stereo on SRF-A100 WBAP unusually weak tonight?? > > 560 MO KTWO Springfield, MO XMas Music Not a regular here at > Omaha, NE > > 590 NE KOMJ Omaha Xmas " " > > 650 TN WSM Nashville Xmas Music > > 660 NE KCRO Xmas programming Low power > > 670 IL WSCR Chicago Normal programming > > 680 MO KFEQ St Joseph Xmas music > > 720 IL WGN Chicago > > 760 MI WJR Detroit AM Stereo Disney Xmas Special > > 780 IL WBBM Chicago news > > 820 TX WBAP AM Stereo Disney Xmas Special ... weak tonight > > 840 KY WHAS Louisville > > 850 CO KOA Denver Xmas music > > 890 IL WLS Chicago Disney Xmas Special on slight tape delay vs. > WBAP, WJR > > 920 IA KYFR Shanadoah Family radio with Xmas programming > > 1020 IA, NE KOIL Plattsmouth, NE Country Xmas Music > > 1040 IA WHO Des Moines Xmas Music > > 1090 AR KAAY Little Rock Rel Programming > 1110 NE KFAB Omaha Xmas Music > > 1120 MO KMOX St Louis (received on SRF-A100) Xmas Music > > 1160 UT KSL ST Lake City Xmas music with same format as KFAB >> > KSL is rare here. > > 1180 IA, NE KYDS Bellevue, NE Radio Disney > > 1290 NE KKAR Omaha Xmas Music > > 1530 KY, OH WSAI Cincinnatti Xmas music Rare here at Omaha, > NE Does anyone know anything about XEUT-AM 1630 in Tijuana (or Baja)? I just picked them up today on my Sony SRF-AX15. They play smooth jazz in AMS and are affiliated with something called the Independent Radio University (whatever that is). My Spanish isn't so hot but the station sounds good. db From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Dec 25 17:38:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32719 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2004 01:38:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2004 01:38:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2004 01:38:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2004 01:38:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2004 01:38:48 -0000 X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49287 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2004 14:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2004 14:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2004 14:56:58 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id r.141.3be5a99a (4238) for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 09:56:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <141.3be5a99a.2efed9ac@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 09:56:44 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6811 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.4 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Merry Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 26 Dec 2004 01:38:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 Merry Christmas to all fellow colleagues and radio hobbiest/enthusiast. I=20 hope everyone is finding the true meaning of Christmas on this day. [ In the middle of a 48 hour Christmas music marathon =3D=3D98% locally=20 originated=3D=3D on NewsRadio 560 WGAI AM Stereo, Elizabeth City NC ]=20 Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineerin= g services in the middle eastern Atlantic area.E-mail:MidAtlanticEngin@aol.co= m -------------------------------------------------------------------- Echolink RF node 56703 / eQSO [RX] crosslink=20 145.250 VHF repeater,440.850 UHF link,29.630 repeater -------------------------------------------------------------------- =A0=A0 Owner and moderator of: Echolink-Open-List@yahoogroups.com =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 AMStereo@smartgroups.co= m,Freebayhams@yahoogroups.com=A0=20 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 KC4QLP_Repeater_System@yahoogroups.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 25 17:49:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11522 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2004 01:49:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2004 01:49:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2004 01:49:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2004 01:49:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2004 01:49:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 01:49:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 562 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.1 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo audio: less is more X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Sounds like a fast forward or rewind of a tape or cart got potted > up for a second accidentally. That's quite possible, as until 2001 (when they began the 30-hour simulcast with their FM sister station), WCTC played their Christmas music from reel-to-reel tapes. I noticed that certain sets of songs were played in the same order every year, and the last song on every tape was an instrumental (such as the one you hear in the audio clip I made), so the board op could fade it out, either upon the start of the next tape, or at the top-of-hour news. From dav259@csiro.au Sat Dec 25 18:07:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46922 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2004 02:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2004 02:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au) (150.229.64.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2004 02:07:53 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (138.194.10.10) by vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au with ESMTP; 26 Dec 2004 13:07:51 +1100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.88,87,1102251600"; d="scan'208"; a="18327960:sNHT19979520" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQ27omi024171 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:07:50 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:07:50 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum In-Reply-To: <20041224045726.81701.qmail@web14223.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 150.229.64.39 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo just for XMAS at your local AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, John P. wrote: > Merry Christmas to all and to all a good AM Stereo listening night! > from "Johnny Electron" Good one Johnny! Our "local" (Magic 693) broadcast the 67th annual Carols By Candlelight extravaganza from Melbourne's Myer Music Bowl as usual in AM stereo. Heaven! It was also wonderful to hear Sport 927's (3UZ) AM stereo music all through Christmas Day. It only happens at Christmas and Easter! Great to also hear the Queen's message receive wide coverage in Oz. Much better to talk the Christian talk of us all getting along together than speaking of a supposed "axis of evil". Hopefully good US King George took note. I agree with Joe's comments about IBOC - particularly about WOR Tom who is after all only doing a good job at what he's paid for. But it would seem IBOC is doomed. I'd say it's about time the FCC got real and adopted Eureka 147 - even if it wasn't invented in America. And until then let's enjoy AMS. Christmas wishes to all! (Especially to Jim Smith - who has been a breath of fresh air on this list this last 12 months.) Let's fight on! Ian From dav259@csiro.au Sat Dec 25 18:16:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18123 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2004 02:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2004 02:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au) (150.229.64.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2004 02:16:01 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (138.194.10.10) by vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au with ESMTP; 26 Dec 2004 13:16:01 +1100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.88,87,1102251600"; d="scan'208"; a="18328670:sNHT19010488" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQ2G0mi024364 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:16:00 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:16:00 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: <141.3be5a99a.2efed9ac@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 150.229.64.37 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Merry Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 Bob Carter wrote: > Merry Christmas to all fellow colleagues and radio > hobbiest/enthusiast. I > hope everyone is finding the true meaning of Christmas on this day. Me too 3XY! Hopefully Bob - I have done enough penance - and might be allowed to subscribe to your list??? Ian From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 26 02:06:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74502 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2004 10:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2004 10:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2004 10:06:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2004 10:06:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2004 10:06:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 10:06:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1882 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.12.225 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo just for XMAS at your local AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, John P. wrote: > > > Merry Christmas to all and to all a good AM Stereo listening night! > > from "Johnny Electron" > > > Good one Johnny! > > Our "local" (Magic 693) broadcast the 67th annual Carols By Candlelight > extravaganza from Melbourne's Myer Music Bowl as usual in AM stereo. > Heaven! > > It was also wonderful to hear Sport 927's (3UZ) AM stereo music all > through Christmas Day. It only happens at Christmas and Easter! > > Great to also hear the Queen's message receive wide coverage in Oz. Much > better to talk the Christian talk of us all getting along together than > speaking of a supposed "axis of evil". Hopefully good US King George took > note. > > I agree with Joe's comments about IBOC - particularly about WOR Tom who is > after all only doing a good job at what he's paid for. > > But it would seem IBOC is doomed. I'd say it's about time the FCC got > real and adopted Eureka 147 - even if it wasn't invented in America. And > until then let's enjoy AMS. > > Christmas wishes to all! > > (Especially to Jim Smith - who has been a breath of fresh air on this list > this last 12 months.) > > Let's fight on! > > > Ian Hi Ian And gang Thank you Ian . I like the good words. And i did mean what i said. I am doing what i can to help the cos. Now if ever body trided to what i am doing things mite look a little better. Just work on your simi locals and locals. If every body would do that things mite be a little better. Now if a pore guy like can do it with one income of $790 month others can do it to. Now no one should be biching wine any more. What i am saiying is Chris Cuff can't do any more campaining for us any more so its up to us to go on our own mini campains!!!!!!! Thank You angan Jim Smith From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 26 02:21:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62038 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2004 10:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2004 10:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2004 10:21:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2004 10:21:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2004 10:21:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 10:21:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 529 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.1 Subject: The Best AM Stereo of 2004 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Ladies and Gentlemen, prepare to be impressed! I have completed the first three audio clips of 1450 WCTC's Christmas Music special, as received on my Denon TU-680NAB in hi-fi AMAX AM Stereo, and I will begin uploading them as soon as I post this message. Assuming the uploads go okay, you can find these MP3 clips here: http://www.geocities.com/kevintekel/amstereo Words cannot even describe how good WCTC sounded this year... you just have to listen for yourself! And there's more yet to come, too, so stay tuned.... From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sun Dec 26 05:36:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44314 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2004 13:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2004 13:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2004 13:36:24 -0000 Received: from [4.247.212.229] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CiYZJ-0003PS-RV for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:36:22 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jLhCW2lxi4Hpb4IgFLJoyT3HZI83PgA9ktPbeWnGX4xM5lzTkBNvELAEx058xXR3; Message-ID: <410-2200412026133629843@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.62.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:36:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc4aa823754f24563415ce5ebd6b4d9b22350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.86.89.68 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Originating-IP: 4.247.212.229 Subject: Re: OT: The Queen's Christmas Message X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I watched the Queen's message here in Tampa on cable, and it was very positive and in the best tradition of the spirit of Christmas. She showed great wisdom, compassion, and maturity in her annual message - Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Ian Davidson > To: amstereoforum > Date: 12/26/2004 7:07:50 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo just for XMAS at your local AMS? > > > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, John P. wrote: > > > Merry Christmas to all and to all a good AM Stereo listening night! > > from "Johnny Electron" > > Great to also hear the Queen's message receive wide coverage in Oz. Much > better to talk the Christian talk of us all getting along together than > speaking of a supposed "axis of evil". Hopefully good US King George took > note. > > Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Sun Dec 26 06:39:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65949 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2004 14:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2004 14:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2004 14:39:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2004 14:39:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2004 14:39:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:38:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 792 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: The Best AM Stereo of 2004 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Ladies and Gentlemen, prepare to be impressed! I have completed the > first three audio clips of 1450 WCTC's Christmas Music special, as > received on my Denon TU-680NAB in hi-fi AMAX AM Stereo, and I will > begin uploading them as soon as I post this message. Assuming the > uploads go okay, you can find these MP3 clips here: > > http://www.geocities.com/kevintekel/amstereo > > Words cannot even describe how good WCTC sounded this year... > you just have to listen for yourself! And there's more yet to come, > too, so stay tuned.... Kev, Thanks for posting that! I'm in a AM stereo void and don't get to hear good radio like that everyday. Thanks to everyone who posts audio here! :) JC From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Dec 26 07:03:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17597 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2004 15:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2004 15:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2004 15:03:52 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-58.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBQF3ntJ010387 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:03:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001f01c4eb5c$1dc75da0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <141.3be5a99a.2efed9ac@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 10:03:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Merry Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Merry Christmas to all fellow colleagues and radio > hobbiest/enthusiast. I hope everyone is finding the > true meaning of Christmas on this day. I am not a good Christian, but that is my faith and I was troubled by the political correctness of calling it "Winter Holidays" and "Season's Greetings", and no longer mentioning Christmas. Friday... I did the 10AM to 3PM shift, the last shift before we bail out and play 30 hours of back-to-back Christmas music. The last commercial break was at 2:50 PM, then I hit the button on Enco's DAD to begin the marathon. I talked going into that break and broke nearly every rule of radio, by reading Luke 2:8-14 on our Hot AC. I'm sure there will be some recourse, but we got 30 inches of snow Weds-Thurs, we had a snow emergency in effect, which was lifted at noon Friday and everyone was making up lost time for last-minute shopping. The Malls were crammed, the parking lot at WalMart filled up and the streets were jammed, although still snow covered. People were calling in reporting horror stories so I made a last minute decision and went across the hall to the gospel station, borrowed a bible, selected some sappy music, read the verses on the air, reminding everyone what it was all about. From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Sun Dec 26 12:06:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34944 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2004 20:06:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2004 20:06:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.175.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2004 20:06:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:05:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.0.17.189 by BAY104-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:04:21 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [badeditproductions@hotmail.com] X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:04:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2004 20:05:01.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E6AE940:01C4EB86] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.175.88 From: "Joe Collins" X-Originating-IP: [68.0.17.189] Subject: I LOVE STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was a very god boy this year! I must have been because I got the boxed set of the first four Beatles American albums. The Beatles were released in mono in the UK up until "Help." In America, Capitol records got a hold of the original session tapes and even though George Martin )The Beatles' producer) never intended those tapes to be mixed for stereo, they did it anyway. The engineers at Capitol used a lot of neat rericks to come up with some very striking mixes! Unfortunately, when the Beatles were finally put out on CD in 1987 it was decided that the original British albums would be released in mono. I was disappointed to say the least. You see, my love affair with stereo audio can be traced back to the first time I heard "I Saw Her Standing There" with good headphones on. My dad had just gotten a very nice Dual turntable. He had it hooked up to a lower-end but still very nice stereo receiver. That system opened up a new world for me and I spent hours listening to albums, losing myself in the sound. 30 years later, I still find myself fascinated with stereo. Did you know that there are rules to stereo? For instance, a recording of a full orchestra is mixed to sound like you are sitting about 3 rows back right in the center of the theater. The violins are always on the left. As a studio engineer in radio, I learned first hand that a classical connoisseur will call you at the drop of a hat to complain if the left and right channels get swapped! Engineers figured out how to mike up a piano in stereo in the late 60's. You'll know one of these recordings when you hear it because it sounds like you are listening to someone play the piano while you're sitting next to them on the bench. The higher keys are in the right and the lower keys are in the left. If you hear this in reverse, chances are the channels have been swapped somewhere. Even today, mixing stereo audio follows those and more little rules that make the sound 'sound' right when you get into the sweet spot. Bass and lead vocals are usually panned to the center. There are some interesting technical reasons why this became standard practice: Older stereo LP's were cut at a very low velocity to compensate for the extra wide stereo of the early days but it was found that mixing the lead vocal, and the bass in the center allowed for a high amount of modulation when the master record is cut. Vocals and bass contain the most 'audio energy' in a stereo mix. More modulation and therefore higher stylus velocity means cleaner audio and that's why we still hear so many contemporary songs mixed that way. It is no longer necessary to curtail stero effects to compensate for this kind of thing but it doesn't 'sound right' to most if you don't. Some of the best stereo I know of is Dave Brubeck's Columbia albums from the late 50's and 60's. Dave Brubeck is one of the worlds most recorded musicians, His group was one of the first jazz ensembles to be recorded and released in stereo in the mid 50's. Teo Marcero, the producer who recorded Dave for Columbia Records, came up with a standard stereo-scape for the group. He would pan the drums to the left, the piano all the way to the right and have the saxophone and bass in the middle. The musicians were not recorded in isolation so everyone bled into every one else's mike. This is the standard setup for most of Dave's Columbia albums and I have always loved the sound. Incidentally, Dave Brubeck has always been a favorite for engineers to try out new recording technology. I interviewed him in 1987 and he told me the story of his first recording session in 1948. The studio had just acquired a new Ampex 200 tape recorder, the cutting edge in audio recording at the time. Unfortunately, the engineers couldn't get the thing running on speed so Dave recorded his first sides on an acetate cutter. It was a hurried session because the tape recorder trouble ate up most of the studio time the band had bought. A few years ago, I got a new Brubeck album on Telarc. They went on and on about how this was one of their first CD's to be recorded using Direct Stream Digital technology. DSD is a new concept in digital recording that uses a one bit word but with a very high sampling rate. We're used to hearing about 44.1, 48 and 96 KHz. This stuff uses a rate up around 1.2 GHz! The sound is awesome. I've been waiting 20 years to hear "I Saw Her Standing There" in stereo from the original Capitol tape on a CD. With all the hoopla about Surround Sound and 5.1, I still like the wide and warm sound of that old 60's stereo. Some things just get better with time. When I get through listening to the Beatles, I'm gonna go and pull out my Brubeck albums and listen with head phones on and watch the snow. It doesn't get much better than that! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Dec 26 15:04:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80210 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2004 23:04:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2004 23:04:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2004 23:04:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2004 23:04:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2004 23:04:33 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89102 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2004 17:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2004 17:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2004 17:22:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2004 17:22:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2004 17:22:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:22:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c4eb5c$1dc75da0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2216 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.220 Subject: Re: Merry Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 26 Dec 2004 23:04:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 I beg the Moderator's indulgence in this reply for its off-topic nature, so if I may... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > I am not a good Christian, but that is my faith and I was troubled by the > political correctness of calling it "Winter Holidays" and "Season's > Greetings", and no longer mentioning Christmas. Jim, Christians do not have a complete ownership of this time of year. In fact, there are at least 5 major observances that fall in this season, and once in a while, 6. We have the Jewish festival of lights, aka Hanukkah, as well as the Winter solstice, Kwanzaa, Christmas, and the New Year. In some years, the Muslim month of fasting and penance, Ramadan, falls in this time of year, as well. Although it seems those who call themselves "Christian" (most, sadly, never follow Christ's message of embracing the least of God's children, instead of admonishing and shunning them) feel they "own" this season, and take offense to the centuries-old "Happy Holidays", "Season's Greetings" and so forth, often forget that not just America, but all European-based cultures have been societies of more than one faith, and many of these faiths observe this season. I am a Deist, born of a Roman Catholic family, exposed early to Baptists, Adventists, Presbyterians and Mormons, and have dearest friends who are Jewish or observe Kwanzaa. I have a deep respect for all people, except for those who cannot do the same- "Whatever you do to the least of your brothers, you do unto me!" (Matthew 25) So all I ask is to accept that although you may be a Chritian, you don't own the season, and these are holidays for many people-- In my case, I observe the Winter Solstice (as with all four solstices and equinoxes, as well as the opposing full moons of Spring/Easter and Autumn/Harvestmoon) and the advent of the New Year of the Common Calendar, which is not accurate to the birth of Christ (whom scolars say actually may have been in what we observe as May, the harvest season in the Levant, and that the birth occured just a few years before). Brightest blessings to all who observe, and may peace be your guiding path. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Dec 26 15:37:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14627 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2004 23:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2004 23:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2004 23:37:23 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.72.169]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:37:21 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01c4eba3$db6d8180$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:37:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2004 23:37:22.0139 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8B89AB0:01C4EBA3] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo pilot on WLW? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It would have to be mixing because WLW never ran stereo. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lehmann" > > Is anyone else seeing a stereo pilot light on 700 WLW right now? > > I'm guessing it's probably just because of stations mixing, but I > just figured I'd check. > > Jeff Lehmann From w6yn@juno.com Sun Dec 26 16:20:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20556 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 00:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 00:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 00:20:08 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABA68XJSA692VFA for (sender ); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:19:28 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLJ+DWUhpm/s6/nk2H1ezwdk= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KFTMATAD; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:18:51 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:18:34 -0800 Message-ID: <20041226.161836.2380.2.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,8-9,11-17,19-44,46-118,119-32767 X-ContentStamp: 11:5:2734656331 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Merry Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kwanzaa. I remember the founder of this "religion" from the Joe Pine TV show in the 1950's. Ron was an anti-Christian radical Marxist then and very entertaining.=20 Now that he is on the Long Beach Community College District taxpayer's payroll, he is not so funny. For decades, the media have given credence to many a self-appointed black =93leader=94, no matter how outrageous. Now they're doing the same with a pagan ritual called Kwanzaa, a so-called African-American holiday.=20 A made-up, anti-Christian observance, Kwanzaa is celebrated by blacks many of whom profess to be Christian. In our politically correct climate, even President George Bush, a Christian, feels obligated to praise this ritual. Kwanzaa was invented in 1966 by Dr. Maulana =93Ron=94 Karenga, a former bla= ck militant, Marxist and convicted felon. Claiming to have the unity of black people in mind, Karenga committed most of his crimes against blacks. Just five years after his invention, he was convicted of torturing two black women by stripping them naked, beating them with electrical cords, placing a hot iron into the mouth of one and mangling the toe of the other in a vice. During the ordeal, he forced them to drink detergent. Observed from December 26 to January 1, this =93alternative=94 to Christmas is based on a mixture of East African harvest rituals called first fruits=97according to Karenga=97and 1960s radicalism, although most ancesto= rs of black Americans were from West Africa. Participants acknowledge their African roots and promote seven, harmless-sounding principles=97unity, self-determination, collective work and responsibility, cooperative economics, purpose, creativity and faith. While they sound commendable, the guiding principle behind Kwanzaa is based on race, not on faith. As with any man-made religion, Kwanzaa is just another attempt to make gods of men.=20 "Brightest blessings to all who observe, and may freedom for all be your guiding path." Don On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:22:10 -0000 "Amy Mousie" writes: >=20 >=20 >=20 > I beg the Moderator's indulgence in this reply for its off-topic=20 > nature, so if I may... >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" =20 > wrote: >=20 > > I am not a good Christian, but that is my faith and I was troubled=20 >=20 > by the=20 > > political correctness of calling it "Winter Holidays" and=20 > "Season's=20 > > Greetings", and no longer mentioning Christmas. >=20 > Jim, Christians do not have a complete ownership of this time of=20 > year. In fact, there are at least 5 major observances that fall in=20 > this season, and once in a while, 6. >=20 > We have the Jewish festival of lights, aka Hanukkah, as well as the=20 >=20 > Winter solstice, Kwanzaa, Christmas, and the New Year. In some=20 > years,=20 > the Muslim month of fasting and penance, Ramadan, falls in this time=20 >=20 > of year, as well. >=20 > Although it seems those who call themselves "Christian" (most,=20 > sadly,=20 > never follow Christ's message of embracing the least of God's=20 > children, instead of admonishing and shunning them) feel they "own"=20 >=20 > this season, and take offense to the centuries-old "Happy=20 > Holidays", "Season's Greetings" and so forth, often forget that not=20 >=20 > just America, but all European-based cultures have been societies of=20 >=20 > more than one faith, and many of these faiths observe this season. >=20 > I am a Deist, born of a Roman Catholic family, exposed early to=20 > Baptists, Adventists, Presbyterians and Mormons, and have dearest=20 > friends who are Jewish or observe Kwanzaa. I have a deep respect for=20 >=20 > all people, except for those who cannot do the same- "Whatever you=20 > do=20 > to the least of your brothers, you do unto me!" (Matthew 25) >=20 > So all I ask is to accept that although you may be a Chritian, you=20 > don't own the season, and these are holidays for many people-- In my=20 >=20 > case, I observe the Winter Solstice (as with all four solstices and=20 >=20 > uinoxes, as well as the opposing full moons of Spring/Easter and=20 > Autumn/Harvestmoon) and the advent of the New Year of the Common=20 > Calendar, which is not accurate to the birth of Christ (whom scolars=20 >=20 > say actually may have been in what we observe as May, the harvest=20 > season in the Levant, and that the birth occured just a few years=20 > before). >=20 > Brightest blessings to all who observe, and may peace be your=20 > guiding=20 > path. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Sun Dec 26 18:13:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54817 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 02:13:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 02:13:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au) (150.229.64.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 02:13:57 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (138.194.10.10) by vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au with ESMTP; 27 Dec 2004 13:13:54 +1100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.88,87,1102251600"; d="scan'208"; a="18468618:sNHT20762984" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBR2Drmi017806 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:13:54 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:13:53 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 150.229.64.37 From: Ian Davidson Subject: AM and FM as we know it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Interesting thread on the Oz newsgroup. One has to wonder if "noone" is UK Dave??? "Iwasyoungonce" is fortunate enough to have one of Marv's great AMS radios. For my part - I reckon AM and FM will last at least another 10 years here. Knowing both alternative government's broadcasting policies (or lack of them) probably longer. Frankly I don't care what system is used - as long as I can hear my local radio in hi-fi stereo. It would seem that IBOC is a dog. C-quam still seems the go - until something better arrives. Eureka 147 seems to be the answer but our government doesn't want to rock the boat with the few licence owners we have. And why should it when apathy reigns? It's such a shame to hear AM stereo slowly dying here with nothing on the horizon to replace it. From: "Forum Retard" ________________________________________ OK so i guess will AM and FM as we know it today ever die?? IMO it will still be around for many years to come......all this talk about digital.....pftttt.....digital shimgiatal......i will beleive it when i see it! I give AM and FM as we know it at least another 25 years Thoughts?? From: "noone" ______________________________ Unfortunatly AM Stereo is almost dead. It was great while I stayed in Melbourne recently to hear the fab station Magic 693 in wideband AM stereo, hope this station continues in this mode for many years I guess Oz will get DAB perhaps - meant to replace FM - though there seems to be very little interest in this mode so far ? DAB is getting very popular now here in the UK... From: "Iwasyoungonce" __________________________________________________________ I'm with you about Magic 693, FR. But there is something of a revival of interest in AM Stereo - Magic 693 was advertising prior to Christmas Eve that it was broadcasting Carols by Candlelight in Stereo! The major problem for AM stereo remains the scarcity of **good** receivers, they do still exist but you can't buy them for $10 or so (or expect them as part of a mobile phone give-away), but a check around the web will reveal sources of AM Stereo tuners and portable receivers. The fact is, wideband AM, in stereo, can sound pretty darn good - it's a real pity that the industry didn't really encourage the receiver importers to get behind them... SIGH! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 26 19:22:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43226 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 03:22:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 03:22:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 03:22:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 03:22:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 03:22:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 03:22:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1846 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.1 Subject: Re: I LOVE STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I've been waiting 20 years to hear "I Saw Her Standing There" in > stereo from the original Capitol tape on a CD. Unfortunately, the new CD set is a little too authentic, because the songs which were on the original LPs in "Duophonic" fake-stereo, even though true stereo versions do exist, are still in Duophonic on the new CDs. This includes "I Want To Hold Your Hand", which was recorded in true stereo, but only the mono version of it was available when the American stereo LP was being made, so Capitol took the mono track and used "Duophonic" to make a simulated-stereo version of it. It is also unlikely that "She Loves You" will ever be heard in true stereo, as although it was originally recorded on two-track tape, apparently the master tape was either lost or destroyed shortly after the song was mixed to mono for the single release. However, some fans speculate that the original two-track master was used to create the instrumental backing for the German version of the song ("Sie Liebt Dich"), which _was_ released in true stereo, unlike the English version. Thus, there have been numerous attempts to create a stereo version of "She Loves You", by synching up the English vocals with the German backing track. This is difficult to do, however, as the English version was heavily edited during mono mix-down -- if you listen closely, there are audible tape-splice points at 0:10, 0:37, 1:15, 1:22, and 1:30 in the song -- and between the 1:22 and 1:30 splices, the treble is noticeably boosted. It's a butchered editing job if I ever heard one, but the song remains enjoyable nonetheless! I got some of this info from this message board, which is devoted to rare stereo and fake-stereo versions of music which we normally only hear in mono: http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/mb/bsnpubs?forum=6491 From mspatoray@sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 26 22:58:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspatoray@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4817 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 06:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 06:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 06:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (mspatoray@sbcglobal.net@64.108.116.206 with login) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 06:58:48 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:58:46 -0500 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001b01c4eba3$db6d8180$d503fea9@home1> Mime-version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.84 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo pilot on WLW? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178375692 X-Yahoo-Profile: mpatoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And they NEVER Will because they are now a Clear Channel station. Matt On 12/26/04 6:37 PM, "Scott Todd" wrote: > It would have to be mixing because WLW never ran stereo. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Lehmann" > >> > >> > Is anyone else seeing a stereo pilot light on 700 WLW right now? >> > >> > I'm guessing it's probably just because of stations mixing, but I >> > just figured I'd check. >> > >> > Jeff Lehmann > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > ps/S=1705034690:HM/EXP=1104190645/A=2434971/R=0/SIG=11eeoolb0/*http://www.netf > lix.com/Default?mqso=60185400> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Dec 26 23:10:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21790 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 07:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 07:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 07:10:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 07:10:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 07:10:08 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84980 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 05:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 05:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 05:20:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 05:20:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 05:20:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 05:20:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 227 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.220 Subject: amstereo.audio-stream.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 27 Dec 2004 07:10:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 For those looking for http://www.amstereo.audios-tream.net/amstereo/ , the server is now back up, as I have gotten word from the server admin that he forgot to turn the server back online after upgrading it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Dec 26 23:12:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85012 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 07:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 07:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 07:11:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 07:11:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 07:11:59 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14981 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 02:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 02:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 02:14:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 02:14:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 02:14:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 02:14:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041226.161836.2380.2.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 5677 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.220 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Merry Christmas [OT] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 27 Dec 2004 07:11:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 Again, please beg my indulge4nce... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury =20 wrote: > Kwanzaa. I remember the founder of this "religion" from the Joe=20 Pine TV > show in the 1950's. It has not, nor has it ever been promulgated as a "religion" in any=20 sense, but intended entirely as a period of reflection. > Ron was an anti-Christian radical Marxist then and very=20 entertaining.=20 For whatever this is worth, this point is moot, as for one thing,=20 even though he invented the observance of Kwanzaa, it was SOMEONE=20 ELSE who actually embraced and promoted the concept. > Now that he is on the Long Beach Community College District=20 taxpayer's > payroll, he is not so funny. Irrelevant. > For decades, the media have given credence to many a self-appointed=20 black > "leader", no matter how outrageous. Now they're doing the same with=20 a > pagan ritual called Kwanzaa, a so-called African-American holiday.=20 One, it's not a single day- It's 7, if I recall. Two, it's already=20 embraced by millions of people in America, black AND white AND others. Thirdly, many black leaders are indeed true leaders of their=20 communities- People who rose through the ranks, working hard to be=20 where they are. I take offense at this type of broad dismissal. > A made-up, anti-Christian observance, Kwanzaa is celebrated by=20 blacks > many of whom profess to be Christian. In our politically correct=20 climate, One, it is neither pro-Christian NOR anti-Christian, but intended=20 espectially to promote an identity to a people who have been brutally=20 stripped of their own, largely by whites. Have you ever taken the time to understand the MEANING of Kwanzaa?=20 The values couldn't be more like Christ's teachings, with each day of=20 seven reflecting on a personal aspect and goal, to the betterment of=20 all people. The festival of Kwanzaa is, in fact, similar to Hanukkah,=20 in that it's a set number of days of reflection, often observed with=20 the lighting of candles. > even President > George Bush, a Christian, feels obligated to praise this ritual. Because so many Americans observe these days of reflection. =3Dsnip=3D It is sad that you would judge an observance by the character of the=20 man who created it, WITHOUT taking much consideration to what is=20 promoted. > Participants acknowledge their African roots and promote seven, > harmless-sounding principles=97unity, self-determination, collective=20 work > and responsibility, cooperative economics, purpose, creativity and=20 faith. >=20 > While they sound commendable, the guiding principle behind Kwanzaa=20 is > based on race, not on faith. As with any man-made religion,=20 Kwanzaa is > just another attempt to make gods of men.=20 Kwanzaa was never intended to supplant any other observance of faith,=20 for one thing. Yes, it w3as intended to bring an identity to the=20 American black community, one that was largely aimless and lacking in=20 any sort of identity, except, for that time, being any real equal in=20 society. Those of European descent don't understand what what it's=20 like to be completely stripped of any identity, then subsequently=20 prevented from being a part of the greater community. Blacks in=20 America have been denied for so long their rfight to simply BE=20 American, like what they saw of the rest of America- They had been=20 treated as invisible, inferior, and even inhuman well into modern=20 memory. > "Brightest blessings to all who observe, and may freedom for all be=20 your > guiding path." Until prejudice is eliminated, no being is free. Until we are all equals, REGARDLESS of skin, faith, creed,=20 nationality, gender, sexuality, or disability, no being is ever truly=20 free. Until we stop cutting down and marginalizing others for following=20 different paths, none of us can ever be free. As someone who grew up with the teachings of Jesus, I can say this:=20 He will not want part of anyone so judgemental of others in His name. And all religions are Man-made. Every single one of them. This does=20 not make them right or wrong- These are the patrhs people choose to=20 follow in their understanding of the Creator and His Creation, and=20 guidance for the everyday life. Follow your Christ, for he was a great teacher, but many who call=20 themselves "Christian" have forsaken what he tried to teach- And many=20 of them would call for his lynching, were he around in mortal form=20 today, simply because he accepted society's misfits and lepers; that=20 he would go out of his way to care for the poor, ill and disabled,=20 and he would have shunned ANY link between the Church and State. He would not stand for bigotry or hypocrisy. He would not stand for=20 anyone who use his name to exert power over others. In short, learn some humility before you humiliate others, or have=20 you forgotten "Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You"? I have never forgotten, but then, I'm just a mouse- I am no more or=20 no less important than those who believe me to be, and in my mind,=20 I'm not all that important. But I will not judge others unless they judge me, just for being=20 different, and in ways they aren't capable of truly understanding. So, then- What IS wrong with Kwanzaa, or any other observance? What=20 isw wrong with a different path of dignity? You call it "anti-Christian", but it is not. It may be "NON- Christian", but that's not the same. Isn't this intolerance of=20 others? Isn't this anti-Christian? You do not know me, but I know the indignity of such intolerance by=20 people who should know better. And once again, before I am done with this post, I do beg the=20 indulgence of the Moderator, and ask for forgiveness for this VERY=20 off-topic response. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 27 01:17:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29402 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 09:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 09:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 09:17:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 09:17:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 09:17:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:17:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 238 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.1 Subject: WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here's a clip which demonstrates the difference in audio quality between WOR (5 kHz mono + IBOC) and WABC (10 kHz mono), as received on a Denon TU-680NAB in wideband mode.... http://www.geocities.com/kevintekel/amstereo/wor-wabc.mp3 From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Dec 27 07:07:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66701 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 15:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 15:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 15:07:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 15:06:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 15:06:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:06:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1460 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.100.195 Subject: Re: Merry Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter A bit of a digression myself, since you brought up the topic. I look at the holiday season as a bit like the World Showcase Lagoon at Epcot. People are free to go from country to country, and receive an accurate portrayal of holiday celebrations from each nation. They are free to visit or not to visit as they please. Therefore, if somebody drives by my house, comes in for a visit, or interacts with me, they receive an accurate portrayal of Christian Christmas traditions. Not being of other faiths, I do not feel comfortable even attempting to tread on their turf - I rely on them to portray it to all interested parties. Therefore, a heart felt "Merry Christmas" to you! And if you wish to express a sentiment of your own, it will be warmly accepted. My only problem is with anti-Christian bigots who are threatened by expressions of Christianity. I had a visit from the bigots under cover of night, who kicked down a Merry Christmas sign in my yard and stole a Christ child from a nativity scene. I would never vandalize a decoration from another faith in that manner. Therefore, I guess I am the tolerant one in this situation. Although I doubt the same can be said of the bigots who vandalize expressions of Christmas. And should they return, the chain through the replacement nativity figures, along with the syrup on the sides attracting hordes of fire ants should give them a lesson in the necessity for tolerance. From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Dec 27 08:02:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29907 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 16:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 16:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 16:02:59 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-58.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBRG2u7W038005; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:02:57 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002201c4ec2d$8a7ae5d0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20041226.161836.2380.2.w6yn@juno.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:03:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Apology for my off-topic post and a retort X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 First I apologize for my off-topic post. It was in appropriate for this group and I apologize. I have been taken to task and I only offer a single reply, mostly to our favorite rodent. All I want is the freedom of speech that we so dearly cherish. I simply posted that as a result of the de-Christing of Christmas, I read Luke 2:8 on the air and for some reason, someone (oh ye of cheese consumption) took me to task. I have many Jewish friends and when Chanukah began on December 8th, I mentioned the occurrence and wished them the best on the air. It is a stretch to call the Winter Solstice a holiday of any kind. It merely signifies the sun has reached the tropic of Capricorn and is beginning it's return trip (mercifully) to the north. I know of no ethnic group or spiritual group who recognize any solstice or equinox as a holiday (other then me, since meteorology was my major). Besides, the winter solstice (lower case this time) occurred early last week and had passed. Ramadan is based on the Islamic lunar calendar and always occurs in the ninth lunar month, and only occurs Christmas once every 8 or 9 years and last October 15th, I mentioned the occurrence on the air and wished my Muslim friends the best so it would have been inappropriate to mention Ramadan on a Christian Holiday. December 25th is a Christian holiday! Yet many of those who celebrate it no longer wish to acknowledge the origin. I was just curious why it has become intolerant to wish fellow Christians a Merry Christmas, and mention it's origin. Let me also add that it did not surprise me one iota that our favorite 4-legged mini creature replied. I have never "admonished or shunned" anyone in my life, and I have no idea why Matthew 25 was quoted. There is no application of that verse to anything I posted. Once again, bigotry rears it's ugly head in that post. Plus, it doesn't take a theology-major to understand that Christians have every right to "own" Christmas. I tire of saying "Christmas is a Christian holiday". The fact that Season's Greetings and Happy Holidays have been in use for years is not germane to my post. We also say Happy Holidays during the Thanksgiving holiday (which is an American holiday, not a Christian holiday) so I don't get the application in this thread. If you (Amy) choose to make the Winter Solstice a holiday, fine.... Put up your Solstice Tree and enjoy December 21st, but don't chastise me for celebrating December 25th. as Christmas. Whether or not Christ was born on Dec. 25th or April 8th makes no difference. Christians have been celebrating it on Dec. 25th since the Gregorian Calendar replaced the Julian Calendar in 1582. Amy talks of intolerance but fires both barrels at me for espousing my views. She has been using this forum to espouse her political views/agenda for the 3 or 4 years I've subscribed to AMSF. Again, I apologize for the off topic post and it won't happen again. -Jim- From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Mon Dec 27 08:41:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61824 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 16:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 16:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 16:40:59 -0000 Received: from [4.247.209.232] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CixvW-0004pR-C7; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:40:58 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=rpWyCSDw70cqcmnLr/gzywPEnaGdNKJtpETilWGeRqjh3s1e+p8fXjDjq/sXM7Qf; Message-ID: <410-220041212716417703@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.62.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:41:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcb4f0a2335993e408997c3fe5e514775d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.86.89.64 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Originating-IP: 4.247.209.232 Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Merry Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 I agree that I'm offended by "Happy Holidays" because I view it as a rejection of my tradition of "Merry Christmas". However, I realize that the person expressing the greeting is well-intended, and I try to take it in that light. But truthfully, I'd rather just have them say "Have a nice afternoon"! Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Bruce Carter > To: > Date: 12/27/2004 10:07:03 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Merry Christmas > > > > A bit of a digression myself, since you brought up the topic. I look > at the holiday season as a bit like the World Showcase Lagoon at > Epcot. People are free to go from country to country, and receive an > accurate portrayal of holiday celebrations from each nation. They > are free to visit or not to visit as they please. Therefore, if > somebody drives by my house, comes in for a visit, or interacts with > me, they receive an accurate portrayal of Christian Christmas > traditions. Not being of other faiths, I do not feel comfortable > even attempting to tread on their turf - I rely on them to portray it > to all interested parties. Therefore, a heart felt "Merry Christmas" > to you! And if you wish to express a sentiment of your own, it will > be warmly accepted. My only problem is with anti-Christian bigots > who are threatened by expressions of Christianity. I had a visit > from the bigots under cover of night, who kicked down a Merry > Christmas sign in my yard and stole a Christ child from a nativity > scene. I would never vandalize a decoration from another faith in > that manner. Therefore, I guess I am the tolerant one in this > situation. Although I doubt the same can be said of the bigots who > vandalize expressions of Christmas. And should they return, the > chain through the replacement nativity figures, along with the syrup > on the sides attracting hordes of fire ants should give them a lesson > in the necessity for tolerance. > From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Mon Dec 27 11:04:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64417 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 19:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 19:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 19:04:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 19:04:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 19:04:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:04:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 533 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: I LOVE STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Yes, they are very authentic! I have already got the newer mixes of the songs you mentioned. They are part of my archive I use to put together music libraries for radio stations. The Duophonic versions are a guilty pleaser for me! I have already updated several songs from the discs in there but the Duophonic ones will not be going in. It kind of bothers me that ENI has allowed all these different versions to be put out through the years, just from a historical point of view, but it sure is interesting to listen to. From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Mon Dec 27 11:14:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97375 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 19:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 19:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 19:14:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 19:14:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 19:14:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:14:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 519 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions > Here's a clip which demonstrates the difference in audio quality > between WOR (5 kHz mono + IBOC) and WABC (10 kHz mono), as received > on a Denon TU-680NAB in wideband mode.... Hey, Very, very `ear opening' clip! The IBOC analog sounds terrible on that good receiver! Does anybody have a real world clip of what the 34 kbps digital stream sounds like from a real-world IBOC AM? If you can't post it on the board, maybe you could attach it to an e-mail and send it to me directly. Anybody? Thanks! JC From wa2fnq@optonline.net Mon Dec 27 12:18:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50005 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 20:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 20:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 20:18:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 20:18:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 20:18:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:18:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 533 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 Subject: Amy Mousie - OT WinDRM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Amy, You asked me to report how the WinDRM stuff you directed me to a while ago worked. Pete, WA1SOV and myself played around with it this afternoon on 75 meters. It works. It has its share of digital artifacts. Something to play with. I'm going to do some closed loop tests and then maybe we'll give it another try on the air. There are a few guys fooling around with it on 20 meters and having some success. WA2FNQ has now transmitted digital audio. The transmitter has been returned to the AM Stereo mode. Jerry WA2FNQ From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Dec 27 12:28:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9499 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 20:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 20:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 20:28:05 -0000 Received: from [66.6.132.219] (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBRKSNNp006706 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:28:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <41D0704E.8030905@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:27:58 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <410-220041212716417703@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <410-220041212716417703@earthlink.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Merry Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok seasons greetings Dick W wrote: >I agree that I'm offended by "Happy Holidays" because I view it as a >rejection of my tradition of "Merry Christmas". However, I realize that >the person expressing the greeting is well-intended, and I try to take it >in that light. But truthfully, I'd rather just have them say "Have a nice >afternoon"! >Dick W. > > > > >>[Original Message] >>From: Bruce Carter >>To: >>Date: 12/27/2004 10:07:03 AM >>Subject: {AMSF} Re: Merry Christmas >> >> >> >>A bit of a digression myself, since you brought up the topic. I look >>at the holiday season as a bit like the World Showcase Lagoon at >>Epcot. People are free to go from country to country, and receive an >>accurate portrayal of holiday celebrations from each nation. They >>are free to visit or not to visit as they please. Therefore, if >>somebody drives by my house, comes in for a visit, or interacts with >>me, they receive an accurate portrayal of Christian Christmas >>traditions. Not being of other faiths, I do not feel comfortable >>even attempting to tread on their turf - I rely on them to portray it >>to all interested parties. Therefore, a heart felt "Merry Christmas" >>to you! And if you wish to express a sentiment of your own, it will >>be warmly accepted. My only problem is with anti-Christian bigots >>who are threatened by expressions of Christianity. I had a visit >>from the bigots under cover of night, who kicked down a Merry >>Christmas sign in my yard and stole a Christ child from a nativity >>scene. I would never vandalize a decoration from another faith in >>that manner. Therefore, I guess I am the tolerant one in this >>situation. Although I doubt the same can be said of the bigots who >>vandalize expressions of Christmas. And should they return, the >>chain through the replacement nativity figures, along with the syrup >>on the sides attracting hordes of fire ants should give them a lesson >>in the necessity for tolerance. >> >> >> > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Mon Dec 27 12:49:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26434 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 20:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 20:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 20:49:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 20:49:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 20:49:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:49:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1085 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: I LOVE STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Hey, Please forgive me but I got to post this one last audio-geek=20 related item=85 I found this on the web and it's absolutely the best=20 visual representation about how vinyl records are cut I've ever=20 seen=85. It will help to better explain some of the technical reasons=20 stereo imaging was curtailed starting in the early 70's. You can=20 plainly see why you would get higher modulation when cutting stereo=20 audio to a record if you follow the link. As I mentioned before,=20 prior to this practice, most stereo LP's were cut with low velocity=20 to get the stereo info on the disc and that results in more noise on=20 playback.=20=20 http://www.vinylrecorder.com/stereo.html It's also interesting to note that 45's that run more than five=20 minutes in length must be cut at lower velocities to minimize groove=20 size so you can get more run time. Songs like, "Hey=20 Jude," "MacArthur Park" and "Deacon Blues" were cut to singles that=20 way=85 It makes it hard to find a clean original copy of those songs=20 today because if you have any ware on the record at all, it's almost=20 unmistakable.=20 From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Dec 27 13:21:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50967 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 21:21:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 21:21:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.241.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 21:21:35 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041227212130.OXSJ8778.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:21:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <41D0704E.8030905@skyweb.net> References: <410-220041212716417703@earthlink.net> <41D0704E.8030905@skyweb.net> Message-Id: <498EA84F-584D-11D9-B5D2-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:21:35 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.36 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Merry Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am impossible to offend unless you challenge my honesty. Richard Wagoner On Dec 27, 2004, at 12:27 PM, Neal Newman wrote: > ok=A0=A0 seasons greetings > > Dick W wrote: > > >I agree that I'm offended by "Happy Holidays" because I view it as a > >rejection of my tradition of "Merry Christmas".=A0 However, I realize=20 > that > >the person expressing the greeting is well-intended, and I try to=20 > take it > >in that light.=A0 But truthfully, I'd rather just have them say "Have=20 > a nice > >afternoon"! > >Dick W. > > > > > >=A0 > > > >>[Original Message] > >>From: Bruce Carter > >>To: > >>Date: 12/27/2004 10:07:03 AM > >>Subject: {AMSF} Re: Merry Christmas > >> > >> > >> > >>A bit of a digression myself, since you brought up the topic.=A0 I=20 > look > >>at the holiday season as a bit like the World Showcase Lagoon at > >>Epcot.=A0 People are free to go from country to country, and receive=20 > an > >>accurate portrayal of holiday celebrations from each nation.=A0 They > >>are free to visit or not to visit as they please.=A0 Therefore, if > >>somebody drives by my house, comes in for a visit, or interacts with > >>me, they receive an accurate portrayal of Christian Christmas > >>traditions.=A0 Not being of other faiths, I do not feel comfortable > >>even attempting to tread on their turf - I rely on them to portray=20 > it > >>to all interested parties.=A0 Therefore, a heart felt "Merry=20 > Christmas" > >>to you!=A0 And if you wish to express a sentiment of your own, it will > >>be warmly accepted.=A0 My only problem is with anti-Christian bigots > >>who are threatened by expressions of Christianity.=A0 I had a visit > >>from the bigots under cover of night, who kicked down a Merry > >>Christmas sign in my yard and stole a Christ child from a nativity > >>scene.=A0 I would never vandalize a decoration from another faith in > >>that manner.=A0 Therefore, I guess I am the tolerant one in this > >>situation.=A0 Although I doubt the same can be said of the bigots who > >>vandalize expressions of Christmas.=A0 And should they return, the > >>chain through the replacement nativity figures, along with the syrup > >>on the sides attracting hordes of fire ants should give them a=20 > lesson > >>in the necessity for tolerance. > >> > >>=A0=A0=A0 > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! 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Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 27 14:56:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 45610 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 22:56:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 22:56:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 22:56:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 22:56:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 22:56:31 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55385 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 21:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 21:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 21:28:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 21:28:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 21:28:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:28:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 779 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.53 Subject: Re: Amy Mousie - OT WinDRM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 27 Dec 2004 22:56:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > Amy, > > You asked me to report how the WinDRM stuff you directed me to a > while ago worked. Pete, WA1SOV and myself played around with it this > afternoon on 75 meters. It works. It has its share of digital > artifacts. Something to play with. I'm going to do some closed loop > tests and then maybe we'll give it another try on the air. There are > a few guys fooling around with it on 20 meters and having some > success. WA2FNQ has now transmitted digital audio. The transmitter > has been returned to the AM Stereo mode. Glad to see that it has worked out! I hope some off-air samples be forthcoming for all of us to judge for ourselves. Thanks for giving it a shot! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 27 14:57:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54583 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 22:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 22:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 22:57:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 22:56:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 22:56:13 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40733 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 21:23:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 21:23:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 21:23:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 21:23:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 21:23:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:23:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002201c4ec2d$8a7ae5d0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6866 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.53 Subject: Re: Apology for my off-topic post and a retort X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 27 Dec 2004 22:56:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 Once again, I beg the Moderator's indulgence... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > All I want is the freedom of speech that we so dearly cherish. I simply > posted that as a result of the de-Christing of Christmas, I read Luke 2:8 on > the air and for some reason, someone (oh ye of cheese consumption) took me > to task. You took offense at those who say "Happy Holidays" and the like. I don't mind at all if you say "Merry Christmas" (or if your British, "Happy Christmas")-- That does not bother me one bit. But when you tell others not to say "Happy Holidays" (not you, specificly, but those like you who want to "take back" Christmas and voice such objections to any expression other than "Merry Christmas"), I take such offense of whether or not I, or anyone else says or doesn';t say "Happy Holidays" or the like, to their choosing. It is our right, too. > I have many Jewish friends and when Chanukah began on December 8th, I > mentioned the occurrence and wished them the best on the air. Christ never observed Christmas, for what it's worth- He was also a Jew, and observed the lighting of the menorah just as any Jew would at the time of Hanukkah. > It is a stretch to call the Winter Solstice a holiday of any kind. It > merely signifies the sun has reached the tropic of Capricorn and is > beginning it's return trip (mercifully) to the north. I know of no ethnic > group or spiritual group who recognize any solstice or equinox as a holiday > (other then me, since meteorology was my major). Besides, the winter > solstice (lower case this time) occurred early last week and had passed. There are a number of "pagan" faiths that do, though- both "new age" and millennia-old traditions. I've had the pleasure to call friends those who were Wiccan, true witches, and Celtic Druids- People whose paths to peace and spiritual tranquility are generally not understood well. > Ramadan is based on the Islamic lunar calendar and always occurs in the > ninth lunar month, and only occurs Christmas once every 8 or 9 years > and last October 15th, I mentioned the occurrence on the air and wished my > Muslim friends the best so it would have been inappropriate to mention > Ramadan on a Christian Holiday. December 25th is a Christian holiday! Yet > many of those who celebrate it no longer wish to acknowledge the origin. I > was just curious why it has become intolerant to wish fellow Christians a > Merry Christmas, and mention it's origin. I'm not intolerant of ANYONE wishing others a "Merry Christmas"; I'm only offended by those who are intolerant of those who DON'T. Besides, we are now in the 12-day Christmas celebration of the Eastern Orthodox Church, which observes Christmas on January 6, so no, NOT EVERY CHRISTIAN celebrtates December 25th, and other holy days DO fall on Christmas Day from time to time- The Jewish calendart is also a lunar calendar, as is witrh the Muslim calendar, except they do make periodic adjustments, whereas the Muslim calendar does not, to keep with the solar year. My point, though, is this is a time of year when many holiday observances are observed, NOT JUST ONE. And no one observance is more important or more deserving than any other, NOR NO LESS SO. > Let me also add that it did not surprise me one iota that our favorite > 4-legged mini creature replied. Oh, really, now. > I have never "admonished or shunned" anyone in my life, and I have no idea > why Matthew 25 was quoted. There is no application of that verse to > anything I posted. Once again, bigotry rears it's ugly head in that post. Who is the bigoted one, here? > Plus, it doesn't take a theology-major to understand that Christians have > every right to "own" Christmas. I tire of saying "Christmas is a Christian > holiday". The fact that Season's Greetings and Happy Holidays have been in > use for years is not germane to my post. We also say Happy Holidays during It's quite germane, actually. It's not a "recent" phenomenon, but one that goes back many centuries. And I study religions for a pastime, as I like to understand what and why others believe as they do. Did you know there have been times when CHRISTIANS banned Christmas? Yes, it has happened! In the British colonies, like Massachusetts, that were run by the Puritans, they made it a crime to observe Christmas. This went on well into the early 18th Century. Be lucky you have lived in a nation that gave you the right to observe, or not to observe, as you please, as it should be. There are those who do take offense to those who choose not to observe. What right of anyone's is there to say one can't choose to observe or not? > If you (Amy) choose to make the Winter Solstice a holiday, fine.... Put up > your Solstice Tree and enjoy December 21st, but don't chastise me for > celebrating December 25th. as Christmas. Whether or not Christ was born on > Dec. 25th or April 8th makes no difference. Christians have been > celebrating it on Dec. 25th since the Gregorian Calendar replaced the Julian > Calendar in 1582. Who ever said I was chastising you for celebrating Christmas? Not me! I'm only pointing out that there's more to this time of year than JUST Christmas, but a time when many faiths observe festivities and sacraments at this time of year, and this holiday season is not over yet! > Amy talks of intolerance but fires both barrels at me for espousing my > views. Only that you took offense at others for NOT saying "Merry Christmas", to which I'll repeat: Go ahewad and say "Merry Christmas" if you want- It's your right to do so, as much as it is for thers to choose NOT to say that, and instead say "Happy Holidays", "Season's Greetings" or "Glad Tidings"....or whatever. What you say does not bother me one way or the other, but when you try to say to me that what I say, in my choice of holiday greetings, is wrong, that is when I believe you crossed that line. > She has been using this forum to espouse her political views/agenda for the > 3 or 4 years I've subscribed to AMSF. Others have been far more vocal than I, and to be honest, I'd be far more interested in talking AM stereo than politics or religion any day, but to be equally fair, here, I'm NOT allowed to say anything I want, here- I'm under moderation, and thus why I repeatedly beg for the Moderator's indulgence in this thread. Yes, I'm a liberal, and with as much a religious conviction as my Deism. And I am also an American, a land whose foundation is in the inalienable right to say whether somethingt is right or wrong in this country, WITHOUT recrimination for disagreeing. This is my land, too. So tell me- Is NOT being a Christian a wrong thing? Think about it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 27 15:00:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99760 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 23:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 23:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 23:00:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 23:00:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 23:00:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:59:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 548 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.4 Subject: Re: I LOVE STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It kind of bothers me that ENI has allowed all these different > versions to be put out through the years, just from a historical > point of view, but it sure is interesting to listen to. Another interesting fact is that there is a "U.S. stereo" version and a "U.K. stereo" version of numerous Beatles songs, with noticeable differences between both. For example, on "Day Tripper", the U.K. version has reverb on the vocals, while the U.S. version does not. Most CD releases, until this latest box set, have only been of the U.K. mixes. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 27 15:37:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84184 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 23:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 23:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 23:37:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 23:37:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 23:37:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:36:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 785 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.4 Subject: Re: I LOVE STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It's also interesting to note that 45's that run more than five=20 > minutes in length must be cut at lower velocities to minimize > groove size so you can get more run time. Songs like, "Hey=20 > Jude," "MacArthur Park" and "Deacon Blues" were cut to singles that=20 > way=85 It makes it hard to find a clean original copy of those songs=20 > today because if you have any ware on the record at all, it's > almost unmistakable. I have some 45's on which the grooves are so widely spaced that you=20 can actually see the gap between each groove, without even using a=20 magnifying glass. OTOH, probably the most tightly-packed LP I have=20 is "Kenny Rogers: Twenty Greatest Hits" from 1983, which has a=20 playing time of about 36 minutes on each side, and still manages to=20 sound quite decent! From bradleyj2@aol.com Mon Dec 27 15:45:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93875 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 23:45:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 23:45:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 23:45:18 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id r.127.525f4622 (16098) for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:45:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d23.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.164]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v103.7) with ESMTP id MAILINID112-3ee241d09e822b9; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:45:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:45:05 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4E7162E4.048DD035.022E759B@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 216.108.210.98 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.2 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I LOVE STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 In a message dated 12/27/2004 6:36:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Kevin T." writes: > >>I have some 45's on which the grooves are so widely spaced that you >can actually see the gap between each groove, without even using a >magnifying glass.  OTOH, probably the most tightly-packed LP I have >is "Kenny Rogers: Twenty Greatest Hits" from 1983, which has a >playing time of about 36 minutes on each side, and still manages to >sound quite decent! > > Or any random LP put out by K-Tel...40 hits by the original artists! In stereo (can also be played on mono)! Out Of Sight! :-) They crammed those songs in tight...with lots of surface noise and no dynamic range or bass. - Brad Jackson From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 27 17:22:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88474 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 01:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 01:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 01:22:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:22:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:21:06 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20041226.161836.2380.2.w6yn@juno.com> <002201c4ec2d$8a7ae5d0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:21:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2004 01:22:00.0582 (UTC) FILETIME=[A160BA60:01C4EC7B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.76 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Apology for my off-topic post and a retort X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Burgan wrote: > It is a stretch to call the Winter Solstice a holiday of any kind. I know of no ethnic group or spiritual group who recognize any solstice or equinox as a holiday I am Wiccan and we DO celebrate the Winter and Summer Solstice as well as the Spring and Fall Equinox! I hope all on the list had a very happy Yule! Kevin in Tampa "An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will" - The Wiccan Rede [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Mon Dec 27 17:29:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18626 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 01:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 01:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 01:29:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 01:29:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 01:29:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:29:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4E7162E4.048DD035.022E759B@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1354 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: I LOVE STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions > Or any random LP put out by K-Tel...40 hits by the original=20 artists! In stereo (can also be played on mono)! Out Of Sight! :-)=20 They crammed those songs in tight...with lots of surface noise and no=20 dynamic range or bass. Oh, man! I had almost forgot about those K-Tel records that had=20 the "can be played on mono' sign on them=85. The velocity was so low,=20 the mono cartridge wouldn't rip up the grooves like it would on a=20 fully modulated stereo record.=20=20 Many years ago, I restored an old Admiral Radio/Turntable combo. I=20 went up to Rad Shack and, believe it or not, they had a replacement=20 cartridge that made the thing compatible with modern stereo records.=20=20 It was a changer and you could stack a bunch of albums on it, close=20 the top and just let it play. I had a bunch of those K-Tel=20 collections and I'd just let `em spin. That thing had a wonderful,=20 warm all tube sound and a an incredible `hi-fi' AM receiver in it. I=20 used to love playing records and listening to DX on it. If you=20 played one of those Maxi Singles on the thing it would blow you out=20 of the room!=20 I know digital looks better when you read the specs but it ain't got=20 the same soul as good ol' vinyl. Unfortunately, I had to let the=20 records go years ago because I was moving around too much to carry=20 them with me anymore. I miss them sometimes=85 :( JC From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 27 17:33:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82862 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 01:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 01:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 01:33:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:33:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:32:01 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:31:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2004 01:33:00.0581 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AC49550:01C4EC7D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.85 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Apology for my off-topic post and a retort X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > I've had the pleasure to call friends those who were Wiccan, true witches, and Celtic Druids- People whose paths to peace and spiritual tranquility are generally not understood well. http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm has some good info about us Wiccans. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 27 18:13:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22017 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 02:13:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 02:13:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 02:13:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 02:13:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 02:13:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 02:13:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 226 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.4 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Apology for my off-topic post and a retort X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I am Wiccan and we DO celebrate the Winter and Summer Solstice as > well as the Spring and Fall Equinox! > > I hope all on the list had a very happy Yule! I think the best thing to say is simply "Happy Everything". :-) From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 27 18:19:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31068 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 02:19:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 02:19:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.77) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 02:19:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:19:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 02:18:29 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:18:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2004 02:19:00.0401 (UTC) FILETIME=[97BFB210:01C4EC83] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.77 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: > Here's a clip which demonstrates the difference in audio quality between WOR (5 kHz mono + IBOC) and WABC (10 kHz mono), I Tripple Dirty Dawg Dare Tom or Kerry to post that "Real World" audio clip on WOR's HD Radio page. Sheeze that is some NASTY audio coming from WOR. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 27 18:41:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62886 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 02:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 02:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52407.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.115) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 02:41:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 10700 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2004 02:41:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=NdDgxFTf/LctWC0Z56f2YtBkbTZRilUF7UhiO42nqwE8l8b14nT6zQqZLsmTdexxwVodTP2I6a2xpeXeEvc8t0VOk5hENKrE68LYeOj9fjAdYOvv4BTJ4G8aNRr4hBbQWDowvqbSut8Jhi8UJxY6UrzA3jeDBDfRUQ96jEreBXs= ; Message-ID: <20041228024128.10698.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.119] by web52407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:41:28 PST Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:41:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.115 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin T. wrote: > > Here's a clip which demonstrates the difference in > audio quality between > WOR (5 kHz mono + IBOC) and WABC (10 kHz mono), > > I Tripple Dirty Dawg Dare Tom or Kerry to post that > "Real World" audio clip > on WOR's HD Radio page. > > Sheeze that is some NASTY audio coming from WOR. > > Kevin in Tampa That's NICE audio compared to WLAC's 5 kilohertz audio, though! EEEEEEEE! I HAVE to listen to it with the HQ-180A in 2 kilohertz mode to keep from hearing the ringing artifacts. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From petersdad2001@yahoo.com Mon Dec 27 21:27:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: petersdad2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86944 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 05:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 05:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 05:27:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 05:26:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 05:26:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 05:25:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <17C5854C-5467-11D9-9DB1-000D9356B656@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1976 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Alan Oda" X-Originating-IP: 4.35.112.167 Subject: {AMSF} Re: NEW TOPIC: PROGRAMMING X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=79442875 X-Yahoo-Profile: petersdad2001 Hi Richard and everyone -- I haven't checked in for awhile (I've a 10 month old joining my 3-year-old, enuff said), but I've been reading posts from time to time. Here in L.A., as Richard has probably detailed for you, it seems like a losing battle -- with Clear Channel cutting off the high end at 5 kHz in order to accomodate IBOC and with Infinity slated to do the same, it's been rather sad. I'm particularly discouraged that KNX decided to drop their stereo signal -- for awhile, both the sounders and the spots were being broadcast in glorious AM stereo, that's not the case anymore. Two of the ABC stations here, KABC (talk radio) and KDIS (Radio Disney) are still in stereo, thank goodness! Back to the topic of programming -- one reason why I prefer local radio was demonstrated today -- most of you have heard about the tragedy in Southeast Asia with the massive earthquake and tsunami. Stations such as all-news KFWB and KNX and news / talk KFI (still with a full-time news department) were able to provide a local angle to this big story, particularly since there's many people in the L.A. area with family and friends in Indonesia, Sri Lanka, and other areas hard hit with this catastrophe. As much as I enjoy CNN, NPR, and other sources for news, only a locally-based station can provide the sort of news and information that I think is invaluable to the community. My humble opinion, for what it's worth. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > You've GOT to be kidding. You're the one who is the real expert on > things! > > Did you just join the list, or was I completely ignorant that you've > been here a while? > > Richard > > On Dec 22, 2004, at 1:52 PM, Alan Oda wrote: > > > > > Richard, I'm actually honored to be in your company!!! > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > > wrote: > > > Alan Oda's on this list? THE Alan Oda? > > > > > > Richard > > From mspatoray@sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 27 21:29:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspatoray@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20148 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 05:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 05:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.183) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 05:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (mspatoray@sbcglobal.net@64.108.116.206 with login) by smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 05:29:01 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:28:58 -0500 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.183 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I LOVE STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178375692 X-Yahoo-Profile: mpatoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 12/27/04 8:29 PM, "JC" wrote: > >> > Or any random LP put out by K-Tel...40 hits by the original > artists! In stereo (can also be played on mono)! Out Of Sight! :-) > They crammed those songs in tight...with lots of surface noise and no > dynamic range or bass. > How about this one, the RS/Polydor LP 90 min with the Boston pops. Man does it sound like crap. Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From petersdad2001@yahoo.com Mon Dec 27 21:34:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: petersdad2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55109 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 05:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 05:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 05:34:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 05:34:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 05:34:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 05:34:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 621 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Alan Oda" X-Originating-IP: 4.35.112.167 Subject: Re: WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=79442875 X-Yahoo-Profile: petersdad2001 Oh my, it's amazing to hear that contrast! The WOR offering sounds like what we used to hear years ago when network programming was sent to local stations via 5 kHz phone lines, in the days before satellite -- you could always tell when a station cut over to the network by the drop in fidelity. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Here's a clip which demonstrates the difference in audio quality > between WOR (5 kHz mono + IBOC) and WABC (10 kHz mono), as received > on a Denon TU-680NAB in wideband mode.... > > http://www.geocities.com/kevintekel/amstereo/wor-wabc.mp3 From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 27 23:05:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85397 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 07:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 07:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 07:05:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 07:05:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 07:05:24 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47906 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 03:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 03:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 03:06:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 03:06:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 03:06:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 03:06:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 518 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.53 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Apology for my off-topic post and a retort X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Dec 2004 07:05:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Amy Mousie wrote: > > I've had the pleasure to call friends those who were Wiccan, true witches, > and Celtic Druids- People whose paths to peace and spiritual tranquility are > generally not understood well. > > http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm has some good info about us > Wiccans. And conversely, http://www.religioustolerance.org/deism.htm for Deists such as myself. Blessed Yule, Kevin. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 27 23:13:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62396 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 07:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 07:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 07:13:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 07:13:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 07:13:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:13:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 519 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.4 Subject: Re: WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Oh my, it's amazing to hear that contrast! The WOR offering sounds > like what we used to hear years ago when network programming was > sent to local stations via 5 kHz phone lines, in the days before > satellite -- you could always tell when a station cut over to the > network by the drop in fidelity. 770 WABC and 790 WAEB were both carrying the ABC network's Christmas music special. WABC is 10 kHz mono, while Clear Channel-owned WAEB is 5 kHz mono. Guess which one sounded better on _all_ of my radios? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 28 07:50:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99714 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 15:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 15:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14226.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.110) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 15:50:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 25072 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2004 15:50:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=YpcYqiyH1T4GcQWHSCOHWcTCbcO2yXfpERuMvuZ5AFeLbMGrtXoM8CpwWqFqCdDhmTfDA6vqO2Uu9eFOV9VNP/kGSgNu4Fl4ZlCMLUsG9NxhTG8NuDnL/LoR1Tso59h94NTZXwZGTOfOwNkTadptSkcL+sk4QXX/YExds5xyovA= ; Message-ID: <20041228155003.25070.qmail@web14226.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.0.194.48] by web14226.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:50:03 PST Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:50:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.171.110 From: "John P." Subject: RS Record / ABC Radio Xmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio First, a WARM WELCOME TO Alan Oda and Matt Patoray - we care about stereo, AM stereo and decent sounding AM broadcasting, so welcome to our group. Matt wrote: "How about this one, the RS/Polydor LP 90 min with the Boston pops. Man does it sound like crap. Matt" Boy, do I councur with that. I had that dog of an album, and it was one of a few that I ever threw away. Radio Shack bragged about this being the longest LP ever released, and hour and a half, and they did it by having lines that barely moved and looked like a long mono record. You don't have an orchestra to sample a low-fi album! Going back to low-fi K-Tel land, they also edited as much as a minute out of the middle of some songs and had a very early and quick fade out near the end of the song. HOWEVER, when some of the albums were released on CD they sounded half-way decent, but mainly the ones that had only 8 or 10 songs instead of 25, 30 songs. Try to tell your kids that the "NOW" collections are the K-Tel records of the new century! Did ABC broadcast their Christmas Disney special only in mono? I tried both WJR and WLS and both had great local stereo commercials, but the Disney program sounded like crap in mono? Surprising, as the ABC O&O stations are by far the best sounding AM stations on the air these days. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From vr2xxg@yahoo.com.hk Tue Dec 28 08:01:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: vr2xxg@yahoo.com.hk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51899 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 16:01:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 16:01:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 16:01:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 16:01:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 16:01:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:00:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 254 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "vr2xxg" X-Originating-IP: 218.102.157.110 Subject: AM stereo receivers? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=191263277 X-Yahoo-Profile: vr2xxg Hello, I am an engineer working with AM stereo transmission in Hong Kong. It is difficult to find stereo receivers locally, for all walkman size, car radio and rack mount tuner. Could anyone share where to buy AM stereo from overseas! Thanks Philip From wa2fnq@optonline.net Tue Dec 28 08:34:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28115 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 16:34:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 16:34:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 16:34:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 16:34:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 16:34:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:33:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 768 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 Subject: Re: Amy Mousie - OT WinDRM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Will do if we ever get it running seriously, which we probably will. Right now, at least on my end, it took some re-patching to get from analog to digital but it worked. I think Pete's priority is to get his AM stereo transmitter back on the air. There were some audio samples on somebody's web page. Unfortunately HB9TLK took his site down and stopped development because he feared legal repercussions. But the guys are still running it and it is an interesting experiment. More later. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > Glad to see that it has worked out! I hope some off-air samples be > forthcoming for all of us to judge for ourselves. Thanks for giving > it a shot! :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wa2fnq@optonline.net Tue Dec 28 09:07:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82320 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 17:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 17:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 17:07:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 17:07:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 17:07:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:07:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1081 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 Subject: Re: WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Nice job Kevin. Yep. At the NAB Radio Show 2 years ago, at the iBquity booth, I started to press the issue of why iBquity didn't compare their system to a real world audio sample of good AM audio. They got rather pissed. Now people are pressing for everyone to have restricted, crappy audio. LOL. On my little AIWAI you can hear the difference in turning the NRSC 10 KHz low pass filter on and off. I remember when we ran 15 KHz audio on AM and were damn proud of how our stations sounded. IMHO, broadcasters who are running IBOC should be doing it in the 8 KHz mode until most of their audience has HD receivers. Right now most everyone is analog and that's who should be supported. I wont listen to a station with bad audio. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Here's a clip which demonstrates the difference in audio quality > between WOR (5 kHz mono + IBOC) and WABC (10 kHz mono), as received > on a Denon TU-680NAB in wideband mode.... > > http://www.geocities.com/kevintekel/amstereo/wor-wabc.mp3 From tomray@wor710.com Tue Dec 28 10:29:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15207 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 18:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 18:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 18:29:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 18:29:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 18:29:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:29:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 552 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Kevin T. wrote: > > Here's a clip which demonstrates the difference in audio quality between > WOR (5 kHz mono + IBOC) and WABC (10 kHz mono), > > I Tripple Dirty Dawg Dare Tom or Kerry to post that "Real World" audio clip > on WOR's HD Radio page. > > Sheeze that is some NASTY audio coming from WOR. I've already posted all the comparisons I'm going to post. If you listen to WOR on a wideband radio, yes, we do sound funky. Never said we didn't. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Dec 28 10:32:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 913 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 18:32:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 18:32:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 18:32:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 18:32:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 18:32:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:31:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 528 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: I LOVE STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: >=20 > > Or any random LP put out by K-Tel...40 hits by the original=20 > artists! In stereo (can also be played on mono)! Out Of Sight! :-)=20 > They crammed those songs in tight...with lots of surface noise and no=20 > dynamic range or bass. >=20 >=20 > Oh, man! I had almost forgot about those K-Tel records that had=20 > the "can be played on mono' sign on them=85.=20=20 And don't forget their loud spots....."YOU CAN TELL IT'S K-TEL! THEY YELL!!" Tom Ray WOR From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Dec 28 12:04:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5067 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 20:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 20:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 20:03:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 20:02:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 20:02:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:02:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 681 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Radio Disney-Dallas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee An interesting development. I've never been very happy with the sound quality of Radio Disney's Dallas affiliate (620 AM). I've never known whether they had a 7.5 kHz cut-off or were MASSIVELY compressed. Well, on Christmas morning, I mentioned Disney's "squashed" sound on the Radio-Info Dallas board (especially in comparison to WBAP--also AM Stereo, and also an ABC property). And--I'm not kidding--today they sound GREAT. Maybe one of their engineers frequents the Radio-Info board...??? They've definitely done some tinkering within the last 48 hours. I know that Bruce is a fan of Disney on 620... maybe he can confirm the difference in the signal's quality. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Dec 28 12:12:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44123 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 20:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 20:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 20:12:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 20:12:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 20:12:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:12:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 703 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: More Stereo Fun I X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee We've got an engineer here at the station who loves Sauter-Finegan. He bought a "best of" compilation a few months back and discovered that the final four tracks on the CD were in "experimental stereo"-- and, until this CD, they'd never been released. I think the original sessions were recorded in 1957 or so. Apparently, for those four songs, there were two recordings being made at the same time. One was mono, and has always been the public version. But there was also an experimental two-track of some sort recording off to the side. When this "best of" CD was being re- mastered, they found these old stereo tapes in the vault, so to speak. I've heard them, and they sound fantastic. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Dec 28 12:16:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62361 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 20:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 20:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 20:16:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 20:16:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 20:16:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:16:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 520 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: More Stereo Fun II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Yet another engineer at my radio station tells a fun stereo story. In the late 50's, he was 10 or 11 years old. He was watching a church service on TV one Sunday morning and noticed two microphones in front of the preacher--one for the TV station and one for a radio station also airing the broadcast. They were two or three feet apart. So he turned on the radio, pushed the TV to the other side of the room, and then sat down in between them. Bada-bing, bada-boom! He had "discovered" stereo. Kinda cool. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Dec 28 12:24:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24960 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 20:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 20:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 20:24:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 20:24:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 20:24:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:24:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 248 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: More Stereo Fun I-Found One X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I just did a search of my hard drive and found a rip of one of those songs. The title is "Aren't You Glad You're You," and I've just uploaded it into the "stereo versions" folder inside the "uploads" folder on the amstereoradio.com FTP site. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Dec 28 12:30:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64535 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 20:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 20:30:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 20:30:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 20:29:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 20:29:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:29:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041228155003.25070.qmail@web14226.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 146 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: RS Record / ABC Radio Xmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Did ABC broadcast their Christmas Disney special only in mono? WBAP's Disney feed was in mono. And, yes, the commercials were stereo. Bummer. From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 28 13:47:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82772 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 21:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 21:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 21:47:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 75404 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2004 21:47:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=AnQbsGg1b+3Aw39HuWE/6KSiUi2cwY1mroMBGdaBJtCi/pPPfeTk0/SXfVn+BfLLt4xQetKJ6IjuwNZ0YfWQAZzum2l3ho3VveujDH6aAaKjlzAyVlZpLD5C/SU0Vkzg16Uj2Xpch8nCZj5118+3LBkpHLmoLln0ynhCE857ih0= ; Message-ID: <20041228214742.75402.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.218.45] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:47:42 PST Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:47:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > > Sheeze that is some NASTY audio coming from WOR. > I've already posted all the comparisons I'm going to > post. If you listen to WOR on a wideband radio, >yes, we do sound funky. Never said we didn't. > Tom Ray > WOR But what IS your definition of wideband? Seriously, if you are using a TX-11B in wide mode it would be unpleasant. Some of the engineers pushing IBOC think anything over 2 Kilohertz analog is wideband.... ]:) Some months back just after the CC 5 kilohertz edict I called into Coast to Coast and was on hold. My local CC station was off, so I was listening to WLAC. The audio down the phone line was FAR superior to the audio on WLAC, and I was listening to a radio that has 6 position bandwidth ( SX-62A). A while back I was talking to Paul Jellison the Denver regional CC engineering boss. He told me that they had been testing the IBOC on one of their stations that's 50K days and low power at night,in Denver ( not KOA( He was on the road up in Wyoming and the HD radio stopped and decoded the signal a few hours after local sunset. He called back and told them it was still on HD and day and decoding fine on skywave. They had left the power change device in "maintenence mode" so when the cut was made it went. Interesting that the phone conversation from his end was exceptionally good quality, far better than I'd expect. He told me it was ISDN from the Denver office. So as a note, a phone line might be FAR better than 3 kilohertz, sometimes FAR better! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From brucec@mindspring.com Tue Dec 28 13:59:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18462 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 21:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 21:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 21:59:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 21:59:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 21:59:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:59:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 796 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.116.195 Subject: Re: Radio Disney-Dallas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > I know that Bruce is a fan of Disney on 620... maybe he can confirm > the difference in the signal's quality. I am presently in Lubbock - it is not possible to open up my receiver's bandwidth to wide position because a close 630 would swamp it. I do notice that on a 1997 Delco (non-stereo) radio they sound a lot stronger than they used to. I have never noticed a 7.5 kHz cutoff on their audio - I suspect they just run the same audio feed directly to XM, Sirius, and their AM generator. I definitely see highs above the 10 kHz heterodyne on a spectrum analyzer. They sound great! As far as processing / compression - unless you are a purist that wants no processing at all, I don't mind. Especially when it keeps their audio from being low when I am out here in the fringes. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Dec 28 14:29:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80549 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 22:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 22:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 22:29:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 22:29:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 22:29:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:29:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 410 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: Radio Disney-Dallas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << As far as processing / compression - unless you are a purist that wants no processing at all, I don't mind. Especially when it keeps their audio from being low when I am out here in the fringes. >> Oh, gosh, no. I don't mind compression. But there was Something squashing 620's signal, and, whatever it was, they've fixed it. I think you'll be in for a pleasant surprise when you get back to town. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 28 15:25:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11992 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 23:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 23:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 23:25:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 23:25:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 23:25:20 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21601 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 17:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 17:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 17:05:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 17:05:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 17:05:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:05:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 853 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.126 Subject: Re: AM stereo receivers? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Dec 2004 23:24:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "vr2xxg" wrote: > > Hello, > > I am an engineer working with AM stereo transmission in Hong Kong. It > is difficult to find stereo receivers locally, for all walkman size, > car radio and rack mount tuner. > > Could anyone share where to buy AM stereo from overseas! There's only one place that sells them online: http://www.audiocubes.com However, they're just selling three Sony portables, SRF-A300, SRF- AX15, and SRF-AX51V. Sony Japan's online catalog has several more- home and car AMS radios, as well as personal and portable radios. I don't know if any other manufacturer currently makes AMS radios in Japan, but Japan is the only market I'm aware of where AMS radios are still readily available. As for Hong Kong AMS, that is something I would love to hear! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 28 15:25:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21722 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 23:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 23:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 23:25:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 23:25:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 23:25:21 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43800 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 17:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 17:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 17:45:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 17:44:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2004 17:44:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:44:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1522 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.126 Subject: Re: Amy Mousie - OT WinDRM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Dec 2004 23:25:20 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > Will do if we ever get it running seriously, which we probably will. > Right now, at least on my end, it took some re-patching to get from > analog to digital but it worked. I think Pete's priority is to get > his AM stereo transmitter back on the air. There were some audio > samples on somebody's web page. Unfortunately HB9TLK took his site > down and stopped development because he feared legal repercussions. > But the guys are still running it and it is an interesting > experiment. More later. It's good that you guys are actually experimenting and building AMS gear- Something I've been hammering about for years as the only way AMS is going to survive this transition to an "orphaned" technology. I'm unsure what legal repercussions there may be, since most (not all) the patents have expired. The basic AMS technology (and AMS theory) actually dates as far back as 1915, with the development of a phase-generated SSB system, which led to the first AMS patents filed in 1925. The patents that are still in effect mostly have to do with refinements in the C-QUAM system, including AMAX and NRSC compliance. The patent for one non-C-QUAM system, Sansui's own take on the RCA/Belar system, is the only such patent that has yet to expire, although it should expire soon, since it was issued in 1987. Anyhoo, keep thje piliot light lit asnd the quadrature phased! We need more true believers like you. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Tue Dec 28 15:33:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13483 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 23:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2004 23:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.195) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 23:33:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:33:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.41.94.143 by BAY22-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:32:53 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:32:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2004 23:33:00.0497 (UTC) FILETIME=[9198B410:01C4ED35] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.195 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.41.94.143] Subject: fs/ft:CRL AM Stereo Matrix Processor SMP-900 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I will have one of these in stock soon. I will trade to a 2nd Generation AMS Exciter. Like a BE AX10 or similar PLL AMS CQuAM Exciter. or $300.00 + Shipping/Packing For Processor. I will check out as best i can. Will be checked for clean undistorted audio and power up. I do not have advanced equipment other than my ears/eyes to test this gear beyond that. All sales final. Cosmettically it is in probably best condition you can get this stuff in for being 10+ years old. Pic's available. I will not have till new year. Thank you, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis (kc8gpd) Universal Life Ministries [ULC] http://www.freecycle.org http://www.part15.us I am always looking for Radio Equipment, Amateur(ham), CB, Commercial LMR (Two Way), Police Scanners and Computer equipment, Pentium to PIII Laptops and PII/III Desktops.(working or non-working) Please Contact By hitting reply if you have any of these items Thank you. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Dec 28 16:32:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94115 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 00:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 00:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 00:32:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:32:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 00:31:26 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:31:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2004 00:32:00.0491 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF98EBB0:01C4ED3D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.86 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: >If you listen to WOR on a wideband radio, yes, we do sound funky. Never said we didn't. The problem is most AM listening is in the car, and most OEM car radios have pretty wide bandwidth on AM. Have you ever listened to WOR with a Chrysler RAZ, Delco UX-1, or a Non-IBOC Ford CD6 "Mach" radio? Even the "El-Cheapo" Magnadyne radios that come in most motorhomes have enough AM bandwidth that you can hear the STL noise in WGUL AM 860! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 28 16:47:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78402 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 00:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 00:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 00:47:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 00:47:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 00:47:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 00:47:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 589 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.129 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I've already posted all the comparisons I'm going to post. If you > listen to WOR on a wideband radio, yes, we do sound funky. Never > said we didn't. WOR sounds funky even on a narrowband radio, when it's an analog- tuning radio that's not exactly centered on the frequency. Many people purposely off-tune an AM radio in order to get a brighter sound (even if it causes the distortion level to skyrocket). When they try that on an IBOC signal, all they'll get is an earful of "hash", together with audio that is permanently dull and muddy, no matter how they tune the radio. From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Dec 28 17:37:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46669 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 01:37:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 01:37:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 01:37:15 -0000 Received: from [66.6.132.219] (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBT1bXBd014271 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:37:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <41D20A4A.1000002@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:37:14 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WOW I gotta Listen to that... WOR went all Funk all the Time????? a Little P-Funk maybe...? Lets get down and Get Funky.. Great Format For NYC Just thinking of that Song WAR good gd what is it good for absolutly Nothing say it again.. Good callsign change WAR.. I do not know what WOR stands For..... However WAR WE ARE ROCKING. sounds Good to me LOL... Neal Hey Tom just having a little fun... Its cold as Hell here no heat in the house.... Looking For a Donation of $7200 for a New Boiler... we had noX-mas for My 2 kids second year in a row. Glad to see the Buckley group Putting( Union Electricians to work?).. Building a new transmitter site. This local #3 brother has been Unemployed for over a year. I have a few Choice words For my I.B.E.W Brothers especially local #3 and its not happy birthday.. Kevin T. wrote: > > >>I've already posted all the comparisons I'm going to post. If you >>listen to WOR on a wideband radio, yes, we do sound funky. Never >>said we didn't. >> >> > >WOR sounds funky even on a narrowband radio, when it's an analog- >tuning radio that's not exactly centered on the frequency. Many >people purposely off-tune an AM radio in order to get a brighter >sound (even if it causes the distortion level to skyrocket). When >they try that on an IBOC signal, all they'll get is an earful of >"hash", together with audio that is permanently dull and muddy, no >matter how they tune the radio. > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 28 17:59:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67815 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 01:59:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 01:59:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 01:59:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 01:59:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 01:59:33 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26053 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 01:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 01:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 01:05:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 01:05:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 01:05:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 01:04:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 406 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.126 Subject: Re: More Stereo Fun I-Found One X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 29 Dec 2004 01:59:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > > I just did a search of my hard drive and found a rip of one of those > songs. The title is "Aren't You Glad You're You," and I've just > uploaded it into the "stereo versions" folder inside the "uploads" > folder on the amstereoradio.com FTP site. Oooh, beautiful... I'd love to hear the other three. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Dec 28 18:06:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56495 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 02:06:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 02:06:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 02:06:03 -0000 Received: from [66.6.132.219] (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBT256Bd014312 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:05:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <41D210BF.4000708@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:04:47 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM NPR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WTTM makes News on NPR..... and New Jersey News 12 TV about Helping those in Shri-Lanka and other South asian nations with this Tidal Disaster Amy Mousie wrote: > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" >wrote: > > >>I just did a search of my hard drive and found a rip of one of >> >> >those > > >>songs. The title is "Aren't You Glad You're You," and I've just >>uploaded it into the "stereo versions" folder inside the "uploads" >>folder on the amstereoradio.com FTP site. >> >> > >Oooh, beautiful... I'd love to hear the other three. :) > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Dec 28 18:06:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46496 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 02:06:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 02:06:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 02:06:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:05:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 02:04:27 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <41D20A4A.1000002@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:04:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2004 02:05:01.0397 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE139850:01C4ED4A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.80 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Neal Newman wrote: > noX-mas for My 2 kids second year in a row. Damn that sucks! You shoulda said something on the group. Perhaps a few list members coulda sent y'all some Wally World gift cards to get the kids some Santa stuff. > >This local #3 brother has been Unemployed for over a year. Perhaps you should look at moving here to Florida. Yea, AM radio is beyond bad, and it sucks to live here, but the hurricanes caused a huge building boom...and all of them buildings need to be wired! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Dec 28 18:17:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92806 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 02:17:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 02:17:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 02:17:04 -0000 Received: from [66.6.132.219] (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBT2HNBd014347 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:17:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <41D2139F.90905@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:17:03 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <41D20A4A.1000002@skyweb.net> In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit after I get heat into the house I plan on taking a vacation.. I havre not had one in 15 years... Im thinking of riding my Harley down to my parents in FLA. maybe Ill wait till spring not sure yet. Possum Hunter wrote: >Neal Newman wrote: > > >>noX-mas for My 2 kids second year in a row. >> >> > >Damn that sucks! You shoulda said something on the group. Perhaps a few list >members coulda sent y'all some Wally World gift cards to get the kids some >Santa stuff. > > >>This local #3 brother has been Unemployed for over a year. >> >> > >Perhaps you should look at moving here to Florida. Yea, AM radio is beyond >bad, and it sucks to live here, but the hurricanes caused a huge building >boom...and all of them buildings need to be wired! > >Kevin in Tampa >There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical >standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 28 19:23:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8916 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 03:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 03:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 03:23:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 49395 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Dec 2004 03:23:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=gN83xYHDAjWrWRU14GfXeTT0LhGdn3MQWmxmA+PwC/yxKCldNRiwsrfh/qB99VDYgGGUc2rOxCfGuO1HVg/w9ikg4ue8wDS2o7G1uXQqA0hr9zSAbU8px1dLMKfMgz0S0Un7TCc+8b8uvZE8MoaW2N3JTfnusiWmEOTKArhN/ZA= ; Message-ID: <20041229032326.49393.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.0.194.48] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:23:26 PST Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:23:26 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.151 From: "John P." Subject: GE Super Radio III X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio There were a few looking for GE SuperRadio III models a while back, and they were recently listed on overstock.com - here's the link: http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PROFRAME&PROD_ID=750008 These have very decent AM bandwidth, but do not make very good AM Stereo conversion candidates with some phase noise. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Dec 28 19:58:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41859 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 03:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 03:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 03:58:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:58:07 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 03:57:28 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <41D20A4A.1000002@skyweb.net> <41D2139F.90905@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:57:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2004 03:58:07.0685 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B04F750:01C4ED5A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.76 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Neal Newman wrote: > Im thinking of riding my Harley down to my parents in FLA. Of course you are gonna stop by and have a mug of Mead with me, right? Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w6yn@juno.com Tue Dec 28 20:44:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80137 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 04:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 04:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 04:44:43 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABA7EPRKAFLKK72 for (sender ); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:43:21 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLBminYlPsW74LCFBrrI8DaM= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KFY87ASL; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:42:40 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:42:32 -0800 Message-ID: <20041228.204233.3960.5.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,6-14 X-ContentStamp: 5:2:762867450 X-MAIL-INFO:42c464d455644155347d496d6541e019a055ada029adfd0530856029ed108029b49059bdc160b5e159e915a9a4a5b0f95050f9a5a5d0a5d5d4d0d52511453400205484a955b92095311410054119c9c9190505290501a029 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} GE Super Radio III X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn This is about $10 off of list. Long's Drugs has clearanced them at $39.95. Don On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:23:26 -0800 (PST) "John P." writes: > > There were a few looking for GE SuperRadio III models a while back, > and they > were recently listed on overstock.com - here's the link: > http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PROFRAME&PROD_ID=750008 > > These have very decent AM bandwidth, but do not make very good AM > Stereo > conversion candidates with some phase noise. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 28 20:52:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14867 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 04:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 04:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 04:52:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 04:52:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 04:52:53 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41889 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 02:43:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 02:43:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 02:43:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 02:43:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 02:43:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 02:43:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <41D210BF.4000708@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 686 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.126 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM NPR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 29 Dec 2004 04:52:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > WTTM makes News on NPR..... and New Jersey News 12 TV about Helping > those in > Shri-Lanka and other South asian nations with this Tidal Disaster This makes sense, since the target audience are South Asians (Lankans & Indians), as well as any NYC-area fan of Bollywood and bhangra... The Lankans and Indians are going to be VERY interested in helping their brothers ands sisters in the tragicly-devastated areas. As I write this, at least 55,000 people have lost their lives in the Indian Ocean basin, with the numbers surely to rise. :( My prayers are to all people affected. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Dec 28 22:02:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77351 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 06:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 06:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 06:02:48 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041229060246.MQUW23615.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 01:02:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20041228.204233.3960.5.w6yn@juno.com> References: <20041228.204233.3960.5.w6yn@juno.com> Message-Id: <436E904C-595F-11D9-8101-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:02:47 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.35 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} GE Super Radio III X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They're not going to stop being made, are they? On Dec 28, 2004, at 8:42 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > This is about $10 off of list. > Long's Drugs has clearanced them at $39.95. > > Don > > On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:23:26 -0800 (PST) "John P." > writes: > > > > There were a few looking for GE SuperRadio III models a while back, > > and they > > were recently listed on overstock.com=A0 - here's the link: > > http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=3DPROFRAME&PROD_ID=3D7500= 08 > > > > These have very decent AM bandwidth, but do not make very good AM > > Stereo > > conversion candidates with some phase noise. > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <122603_LREC_bkup_BR_Ashanti.jpg> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From petersdad2001@yahoo.com Wed Dec 29 00:22:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: petersdad2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45767 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 08:22:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 08:22:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 08:22:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 08:22:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 08:22:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 08:21:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 476 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Alan Oda" X-Originating-IP: 4.35.113.146 Subject: Re: Amy Mousie - OT WinDRM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=79442875 X-Yahoo-Profile: petersdad2001 Interesting that you mention AMAX -- I had a good conversation with Michael Smith, who was the KNX Chief Engineer (he's now at sister station KCBS San Francisco) about the AMAX standard. Whatever happened to AMAX? Is it completely moot or is it still lurking? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > The patents that are still in effect mostly have to do with > refinements in the C-QUAM system, including AMAX and NRSC compliance. From petersdad2001@yahoo.com Wed Dec 29 00:26:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: petersdad2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76340 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 08:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 08:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 08:26:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 08:26:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 08:26:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 08:26:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 698 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Alan Oda" X-Originating-IP: 4.35.113.146 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM NPR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=79442875 X-Yahoo-Profile: petersdad2001 We've the largest population of Indonesians here in the L.A. area living away from their native country. My family has been supporting World Relief for years, they're already on the job with many other organizations. It sounds as if the Red Cross need money more than anything else since the supplies they need can be purchased more cheaply overseas - www.redcross.org -- I'm joining you in prayer for those affected... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > As I write this, at least 55,000 people have lost their lives in the > Indian Ocean basin, with the numbers surely to rise. :( > > My prayers are to all people affected. :( > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Dec 29 01:06:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68714 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 09:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 09:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 09:06:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 09:06:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 09:06:37 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75354 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 08:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 08:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 08:45:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 08:45:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 08:45:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 08:45:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 541 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.126 Subject: Re: Amy Mousie - OT WinDRM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 29 Dec 2004 09:06:31 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Oda" wrote: > > Interesting that you mention AMAX -- I had a good conversation with > Michael Smith, who was the KNX Chief Engineer (he's now at sister > station KCBS San Francisco) about the AMAX standard. Whatever > happened to AMAX? Is it completely moot or is it still lurking? I really wish I could say- It seems like AMAX has quite literally dropped off the face of the Earth, as I can't find ANY info on it or the organization that promoted it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Dec 29 01:06:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 34231 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 09:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 09:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 09:06:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 09:06:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 09:06:43 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92175 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 08:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 08:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 08:51:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 08:51:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 08:51:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 08:51:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 870 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.126 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM NPR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 29 Dec 2004 09:06:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Oda" wrote: > > We've the largest population of Indonesians here in the L.A. area > living away from their native country. My family has been supporting > World Relief for years, they're already on the job with many other > organizations. It sounds as if the Red Cross need money more than > anything else since the supplies they need can be purchased more > cheaply overseas - www.redcross.org -- > > I'm joining you in prayer for those affected... Don't forget the Thai and Indian communities of the LA area- Many have loved ones lost or greatly affected by the waves that devastated southern Thailand. I have family in Thailand, myself, though fortunately that uncle lives in an inland city, considerably north of the damage, and was not directly affected by the flooding. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 29 01:10:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87613 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 09:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 09:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 09:10:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 09:09:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 09:09:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 09:09:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 513 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.129 Subject: Re: Amy Mousie - OT WinDRM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Interesting that you mention AMAX -- I had a good conversation with > Michael Smith, who was the KNX Chief Engineer (he's now at sister > station KCBS San Francisco) about the AMAX standard. Whatever > happened to AMAX? Is it completely moot or is it still lurking? AMAX still exists as a receiver quality standard; it's just not being promoted that much anymore. Several AMAX-compliant receivers are still in production, the newest of which is the Fanfare FTA-100 series (see http://www.fanfare.com ). From jeffdeck@aol.com Wed Dec 29 01:47:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91677 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 09:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 09:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 09:47:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 09:44:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 09:44:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 09:44:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 324 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.209.179.78 Subject: Re: AM stereo receivers? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Philip writes: >I am an engineer working with AM stereo transmission in Hong Kong. >It is difficult to find stereo receivers locally, for all walkman >size, car radio and rack mount tuner. > >Could anyone share where to buy AM stereo from overseas! Denon rack mount AM stereo tuners are available from http://meduci.com From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Wed Dec 29 04:21:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93146 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 12:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 12:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.175.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 12:21:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 04:21:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.0.17.189 by BAY104-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:20:06 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [badeditproductions@hotmail.com] X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 07:20:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2004 12:21:00.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBB02180:01C4EDA0] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.175.80 From: "Joe Collins" X-Originating-IP: [68.0.17.189] Subject: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It occurred to me the other day that those who are railing against the new IBOC system for AM might just be missing a golden opportunity that lies before us: there might finally be some really good AM radios available to the average consumer on a market-wide basis. The big problem with AM radio for the last 30 years has been the tremendous inconsistency in the quality of the radios. You can spend a lot of money for a kick butt receiver with a stellar FM section only to find that the AM is only capable of passing a distorted 3 KHz signal. On the other hand, you can also spend $20 on a cheap little table radio and find that the AM sounds better than most air-monitors that you find in radio stations! It's the luck of the draw. AM Stereo, NRSC and AMAX have all been introduced to try and help the situation. Unfortunately, most manufacturers have not done their part and come through with the good radios to meet any of those standards. There response to NRSC was rank apathy in most cases. They got burnt badly by the lack of standardization when AM Stereo was introduced and they haven't forgotten it. The resulting malaise has been frustrating both to the listener and the AM broadcaster. Here, we are all what the radio industry calls 'active listeners'... Everyone of us knows the difference between a good radio and a bad one and if we buy a car that comes with a poor sounding AM radio in it, we'll rip that thing out in a heartbeat and replace it with an AM Stereo capable unit or, at the very least, wide-band mono. Most average folks won't do this and either just live with the crappy sound or don't bother to listen to AM at all. When we are debating the merits of one modulation mode over another, it is easy to forget that simple fact and think along the lines of wanting AM to sound good on the equipment we have on hand. Now wait, before you start calling me a heretic, hear me out! Now here come the outside of the box part: IBOC is in it's infancy as a technology. The standards for transmission and reception are not chiseled in stone yet. The radio manufacturers are just now doing their R&D work to figure out what to put into their radios. This means that they are highly open to suggestion at this point. If you want a better AM radio, now would be the time to get in touch with them and tell them so. OK, so we know that IBOC only allows for 5k of bandwidth on analog, right? What about stations that don't use IBOC? Most folks who buy a new HD radio will probably only have one station in their area that is using the system. They would be a little miffed to find that every other station on the dial sounds only slightly better than a phone line because the radio only has a 5k filter for analog detection. Therefore, the radio should have two filter sets in it; one for IBOC when the digital signal is not usable or ramping up before the blend and another for NRSC when the radio is tuned to a non-IBOC station. This would be very cool because the radio will still sound better than most even if the station tuned is not sending out digital. The consumer will feel like he/she's getting the improvement in quality that HD promises no matter what they are tuned to. I have been told that Panasonic already has a radio out that does just this. A good sign! Now dig this! It would be very easy to get the logic chip that would switch in the different filter networks in the receiver to also look for a C-QAUM pilot! If the radio picked it up, BAMMM!!! You got wide-band C-QUAM. Think about how cool that would be! If station owners knew that C-QUAM was just as easy to get as IBOC, they could choose to run C-QUAM instead without fear of not having anybody be able to hear it. It would be a matter of whether their particular station's power, antenna and frequency was better suited for IBOC or C-QUAM and both systems could co-exist. Right now, the FCC does not allow IBOC at night. If the radios were dual-standard capable right out of the box, then maybe we could have a compromise situation where stations would use IBOC during the day and C-QUAM at night! That way, they could still be broadcasting stereo all the time and not interfere with their neighbors. Think about it! I'd really like to hear your thoughts on this... If we can reach a consensus here, it would be possible to launch an e-mail campaign aimed at getting the manufactures to implement some or all of the above. The problem with AM radio's image lies completely in the lack of good radios. It doesn't matter whether a station broadcasts 5k, 10k or 15k with CQUAM if no one can hear the difference. From a broadcaster's point of view, it's sort of like trying to read poetry aloud in a biker bar at midnight on Saturday. Nobody's listening and they don't care... IBOC is forcing manufactures to re-think AM... Let us give them something to think about, shall we? :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Dec 29 06:36:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77575 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 14:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 14:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 14:36:50 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-58.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBTEam02076948 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 07:36:49 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002201c4edb3$d5244770$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <4E7162E4.048DD035.022E759B@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 09:36:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I LOVE STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Brad Jackson wrote: > Or any random LP put out by K-Tel...40 hits by the original artists! > In stereo (can also be played on mono)! Out Of Sight! :-) > They crammed those songs in tight...with lots of surface noise > and no dynamic range or bass. I'm glad you mentioned it Brad, because that's just what I was thinking. They called it K-Tel's microgroove and there was no dynamic range at all, and some of the weirdest edits I've ever heard. They would typically fade a single 30-60 seconds early, eliminate intros and/or cut out entire verses... While their commercials screamed "original hits by the original artists". BTW: I don't suppose you managed to make it home over the holidays, did you? It was the largest snowfall ever out of a single storm. It's the most snow I have ever seen. I'm ready to head south. Anything open in engineering in Alabama? -Jim- From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Dec 29 06:57:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13223 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 14:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 14:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 14:57:45 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-58.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBTEt80J080952 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 07:55:09 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004601c4edb6$64b0b6b0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 09:55:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Oh my, it's amazing to hear that contrast! The WOR offering sounds > like what we used to hear years ago when network programming was sent > to local stations via 5 kHz phone lines, in the days before satellite > -- you could always tell when a station cut over to the network by the > drop in fidelity. Not only did networks use a 5kHz loop, but they frequently played music over them. During the days when ABC had 4 or 5 different radio networks, one of them called "American Contemporary Radio" catered to Top 40 stations. I worked at an affiliate and in addition to hourly news feeds at :55 past the hour, they also sent feeds of short programs such as "Retro Rock, in which they would give a story of interest about a song that was a few years old, then play the song. They also had featurettes of "Hitbound" songs and LP cuts they thought should be a single release. What bothered me was how bad those tunes sounded on our 5kHz loop, yet they sounded great on WLS and WABC. Of course, WABC didn't need a 5 k loop since nearly all of American Contemporary's programming and news originated at the WABC studios, but WLS had to have a much better feed from ABC than 5k! From bradleyj2@aol.com Wed Dec 29 14:57:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87440 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 22:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 22:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 22:57:02 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id r.129.53482994 (15898); Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:56:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d21.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.162]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v103.7) with ESMTP id MAILINID91-3e1a41d3362d1eb; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:56:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:56:45 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jimbo@burgan.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7668F102.7A4C46FB.022E759B@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 216.108.210.98 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.3 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I LOVE STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 In a message dated 12/29/2004 9:36:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Jim Burgan" writes: >I'm glad you mentioned it Brad,  because that's just what I was thinking. >They called it K-Tel's microgroove and there was no dynamic range at all, >and some of the weirdest edits I've ever heard. >They would typically fade a single 30-60 seconds early, eliminate intros >and/or cut out entire verses... While their commercials screamed "original >hits by the original artists". Back at Gold 104.5, Todd Berryman and I always had fun making our own K-Tel edits for fun...Listen...Stairway To Heaven and it's only 1:25!!! :-) >BTW: I don't suppose you managed to make it home over the holidays, did you? >It was the largest snowfall ever out of a single storm.  It's the most snow >I have ever seen. >I'm ready to head south.  Anything open in engineering in Alabama? >-Jim- Eric and I did drive back to Indiana for Christmas...It took FOREVER driving north of Louisville, ky...20 something inches of snow! And sad news regarding AM Stereo...Birmingham used to have a number of stations running C-Quam...Only AM 900 is now stereo. And thru Nashville, AM 760 dropped stereo. WAMB 1160, however, still sounds sweet! - Brad Jackson - Afternoon Drive/Imaging Director - WKMX-FM Dothan, AL - http://www.wkmx.com From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Dec 29 15:13:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11934 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 23:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 23:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 23:13:38 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.218]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:13:21 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01c4edfc$051f5ee0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:13:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2004 23:13:22.0586 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDEB7FA0:01C4EDFB] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Merry Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Except that Ramadan and Hannukah were over plus only Christmas is a federally recognized holiday. Even Salem's very Jewish hosts Dennis Prager and Michael Medved are against saying "happy holidays." People have been trained to be offended by the C-word, in my estimation. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > Jim, Christians do not have a complete ownership of this time of > year. In fact, there are at least 5 major observances that fall in > this season, and once in a while, 6. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 29 15:15:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40948 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 23:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 23:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 23:15:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 23:15:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 23:15:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:15:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 470 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.1 Subject: Another AM tower casualty in southern California X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics High winds snapped the top 200 feet off of 1240 KSON's self- supporting tower in San Diego County early this morning. The bottom part of the tower is still standing, and the station's logo on the tower (possibly neon-lit at night?) remains intact. Pictures: http://www.signonsandiego.com/gallery/albums/041229storm/kson18.jpg http://www.signonsandiego.com/gallery/albums/041229storm/kson33.jpg http://www.signonsandiego.com/gallery/albums/041229storm/kson22.jpg From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Dec 29 15:39:39 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 29 15:45:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45540 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 23:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2004 23:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 23:45:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 23:44:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2004 23:44:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:44:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1053 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.1 Subject: Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Now dig this! It would be very easy to get the logic chip that > would switch in the different filter networks in the receiver to > also look for a C-QAUM pilot! If the radio picked it up, BAMMM!!! > You got wide-band C-QUAM. Think about how cool that would be! Visteon, the OEM car radio manufacturer for Ford/Lincoln/Mercury, has already designed a radio that operates in this manner: they took their DSP-based hi-fi AM Stereo/FM Stereo tuner and added IBOC to it. Therefore, it receives both wideband analog AM (in mono or C-Quam stereo) and AM IBOC. Prototypes of this receiver have been around since 2003, but it is not in production yet; Ford was supposed to introduce IBOC radios into their cars in the 2004 model year, then it got pushed back to the 2005 model year, and now, it likely won't happen until the 2006 model year, arriving next summer. In the meantime, Visteon's current radios continue to feature AM Stereo, so unless there is an IBOC station which you would like to receive in digital mode, you won't miss a thing. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 29 16:03:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71685 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 00:03:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 00:03:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 00:03:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 00:03:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 00:03:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:03:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002f01c4edfc$051f5ee0$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 246 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.1 Subject: Re: Merry Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Except that Ramadan and Hannukah were over plus only Christmas is a > federally recognized holiday. New Year's Day is a holiday, too. And in countries which follow British traditions (including Canada), there's Boxing Day on December 26th. From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Dec 29 16:07:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91059 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 00:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 00:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 00:07:14 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.218]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:07:13 -0700 Message-ID: <00cd01c4ee03$8b453e20$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:07:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2004 00:07:13.0825 (UTC) FILETIME=[83E37110:01C4EE03] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Two thoughts- It's a nice idea, but how much cost will it add? If it's more than a few bucks, bet the farm the bean-counters won't go for it. Second, I do like the idea but need some suggestions of who/where to write for maximum impact. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Collins" > . Therefore, the radio should have two filter sets in it; one for IBOC when the digital signal is not usable or ramping up before the blend and another for NRSC when the radio is tuned to a non-IBOC station. This would be very cool because the radio will still sound better than most even if the station tuned is not sending out digital. > > Now dig this! It would be very easy to get the logic chip that would switch in the different filter networks in the receiver to also look for a C-QAUM pilot! If the radio picked it up, BAMMM!!! You got wide-band C-QUAM. Think about how cool that would be! > > IBOC is forcing manufactures to re-think AM... Let us give them something to think about, shall we? From pd@96wnjo.com Wed Dec 29 17:19:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pd@96wnjo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24126 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 01:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 01:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 01:19:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 01:19:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 01:19:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 01:19:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 553 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "wnjo960" X-Originating-IP: 67.83.113.165 Subject: 80's Declo AM ST radio not working right X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159836599 X-Yahoo-Profile: wnjo960 Hello all: Went to the junkyard and got 3 radios - a 89 Chrysler Infinity AM ST/FM ST, a 94 Chrysler AM/FM ST, and a 85-89 Delco Cadillac AM ST (not the bare bones one, the Symphony Sound one with the 5 band eq). All of them work, but the Delco's amp doesnt seem to work right - I turn up the volume, but it gets only slightly louder and just starts to get distorted after a certain point. Everything else works fine (well, the Stereo LCD wont light up on FM, but on AM it does), and has better AM fidelity than the Infinity. Any clues? Thanks! From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Wed Dec 29 18:05:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12732 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 02:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 02:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 02:05:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 02:05:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 02:05:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 02:05:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00cd01c4ee03$8b453e20$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1466 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Two thoughts- It's a nice idea, but how much cost will it add? If=20 it's more > than a few bucks, bet the farm the bean-counters won't go for it.=20=20 Second, I > do like the idea but need some suggestions of who/where to write=20 for maximum > impact. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 First off, Ford Visteon makes a good radio. I've owned several Fords=20 over the last 15 years and they are great radios. They should be=20 commended for making their IBOC radio an `all mode' receiver=85 Scott,=20=20 It seems to me that if a company starts out with a good AM Stereo=20 radio, the addition of the IBOC decoder would mean the addition of=20 one chip and a corresponding logic circuit to make the switching=20 possible. That should not add too much to the build casts. We are=20 also talking about relatively high end stuff. The extra expense=20 should not be an obstacle to start out. Once the public gets a taste=20 of what a fine radio sounds like, I expect that they won't go for the=20 crappy ones anymore. That's why it's so important to grab this=20 opportunity and make the most of it. It certainly won't hurt to try=20 and give some positive reinforcement to the R&D folks who are working=20 on getting the new radios ready for market. I will do some research and try to find out where we can send e-mails=20 and snail mail to. If anyone else has the time and the inclination=20 to do the same, please go for it!=20=20 :) JC From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Dec 29 18:07:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33459 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 02:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 02:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 02:07:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:07:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 02:06:26 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:06:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2004 02:07:00.0627 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F8E6630:01C4EE14] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.83 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Joe Collins wrote: >They got burnt badly by the lack of standardization when AM Stereo was introduced and they haven't forgotten it. How did the manufacturers get burned? All of the production AM Stereo radios but one had a C-QUAM only chip or was Multi-System. This means every AM stereo radio ever made (Except one ISB only model) will still work as designed when tuned to any AM stereo radio station in the US. > > The resulting malaise has been frustrating both to the listener and the AM broadcaster. The main company to blame is GM. It was the horrible Delco car radios and windshield antennas that drove listeners to FM. The whole purpose of the Optimod 9000 was to try to blast some highs through those Delcos. > > Here, we are all what the radio industry calls 'active listeners'... Everyone of us knows the difference between a good radio and a bad one and if we buy a car that comes with a poor sounding AM radio in it, we'll rip that thing out in a heartbeat and replace it with an AM Stereo capable unit or, at the very least, wide-band mono. Most average folks won't do this and either just live with the crappy sound or don't bother to listen to AM at all. When we are debating the merits of one modulation mode over another, it is easy to forget that simple fact and think along the lines of wanting AM to sound good on the equipment we have on hand. > > They would be a little miffed to find that every other station on the dial sounds only slightly better than a phone line because the radio only has a 5k filter for analog detection. But that is what Kenwood does! > > Now dig this! It would be very easy to get the logic chip that would switch in the different filter networks in the receiver to also look for a C-QAUM pilot! If the radio picked it up, BAMMM!!! You got wide-band C-QUAM. Think about how cool that would be! It is called a Ford-Vistion Mach Sound System! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Dec 29 18:37:05 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Dec 29 18:57:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31976 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 02:57:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 02:57:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.78) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 02:57:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:57:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 02:56:59 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:56:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2004 02:57:01.0246 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C1085E0:01C4EE1B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.78 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} 80's Declo AM ST radio not working right X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 wnjo960 wrote: > the Delco's amp doesnt seem to work right These Delcos had a very BAD problem with cold solder joints on the circuit boards. The offical GM solution to the problem was to remove all of the connectors and hard-wire all of the ribbon cables to the PC boards and to re-solder every connection on the boards, top and bottom, with 1% Silver rosin core electronics solder. The Bosch supplied cassette deck shares all of it's parts with the Blaupunkt Berlin and Monterey models. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Dec 29 19:00:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53314 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 03:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 03:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 03:00:25 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-58.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBU30ICM035048 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 20:00:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001101c4ee1b$b30196d0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <7668F102.7A4C46FB.022E759B@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:00:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I LOVE STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Brad Jackson wrote: > Back at Gold 104.5, Todd Berryman and I always > had fun making our own K-Tel edits for fun...Listen... > Stairway To Heaven and it's only 1:25!!! :-) Is Todd still at WTTS? I haven't heard form him for a long time. > Eric and I did drive back to Indiana for Christmas... > It took FOREVER driving north of Louisville, KY... > 20 something inches of snow! We had 25" at my house. I wish you guys would have stopped in at the "Q". Mike Rabey & I installed a new Omina 6EX digital processor (replacing the Optimod 8100E) on WRZQ. Keith was driving through Atlanta, heard WSTR in Atlanta and really liked the sound. He called the CE and asked him what type of processing they had. He had the CE fax me the settings (which were somewhat bizarre) and ordered the processor. We moved the processor from the RF room upstairs to the Newbern transmitter site and took the Texar Prisms out of service. The airchain for WRZQ is now digital from the studio console to the exciter in Newbern and we have a new Wheatstone digital console on the way. We can no longer monitor the air-signal because of the delay. Speaking of that.. one of the engineers at WFMS/WGLD did a study to see how much delay it takes to go from moderately annoying (sounding like a slight echo) to so bad it wrecks the talent's concentration and makes it almost impossible to broadcast. I don't know what the final numbers were but WRZQ exceed it. Keith told me he hoped to be broadcasting in IBOC by the middle of summer (doubtful). > And sad news regarding AM Stereo...Birmingham used to have > a number of stations running C-Quam...Only AM 900 is > now stereo. And thru Nashville, AM 760 dropped stereo. > WAMB 1160, however, still sounds sweet! I agree... WAMB sounds sweet and I love their processing. I must be getting old because I didn't even mind the depth of their library (most of that music is older than me). Not to mention that their daytime signal (50 KW omni) is killer. Did you notice if 93.7 (WQKC) had relocated to Louisville? Do any of your buddies at Susquehanna Indianapolis know what they will do with WZZB? I still say WZZB is the best sounding AM Stereo in Indiana. I love to listen... They as good as most FM's around here. Bob Hawkins put that airchain together and I am grateful to have it 20 miles from my front door. I probably should have emailed this message rather than posting on this list due to the length and varying topics, but I finally did get around to talking about Nashville's WAMB. -Jim- From vr2xxg@yahoo.com.hk Wed Dec 29 19:17:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: vr2xxg@yahoo.com.hk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59040 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 03:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 03:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53907.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.217) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 03:17:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 22342 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2004 03:17:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20041230031753.22340.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.198.143.172] by web53907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:17:53 CST Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:17:53 +0800 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.36.217 From: k b yu Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo receivers? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=191263277 X-Yahoo-Profile: vr2xxg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=BIG5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Jeffdeck jeffdeck2001 wrote: Philip writes: >I am an engineer working with AM stereo transmission in Hong Kong. >It is difficult to find stereo receivers locally, for all walkman >size, car radio and rack mount tuner. > >Could anyone share where to buy AM stereo from overseas! Denon rack mount AM stereo tuners are available from http://meduci.com Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ =20=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =20=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 =AD=C9=B9L=A1B=A4@=A9=E7=A8=E2=B4=B2=A1B=A9_=AC=A5=A7=F5=BA=FB=B4=B5=A6^=AB= H... =A5=FE=B4=E4=B3=CC=A4j=A4=E2=BE=F7=A4U=B8=FC=A4=A4=A4=DF http://mobile.yahoo.com.hk/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 29 19:18:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54811 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 03:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 03:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 03:18:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 03:18:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 03:18:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 03:17:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 704 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.1 Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > > They would be a little miffed to find that every other station on > > the dial sounds only slightly better than a phone line because > > the radio only has a 5k filter for analog detection. > > But that is what Kenwood does! iBiquity says IBOC's 5 kHz analog audio will allow for better- sounding analog AM receivers, because radio manufacturers can increase their AM audio bandwidth to 5 kHz, versus the current norm of 3 kHz. But yet, I measured the frequency response of the analog AM part of Kenwood's IBOC tuner -- and Kenwood obviously isn't following iBiquity's recommendation, because their tuner still drops off like a cliff above 3 kHz. In fact, it's down nearly -30 dB at 5 kHz! From vr2xxg@yahoo.com.hk Wed Dec 29 19:23:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: vr2xxg@yahoo.com.hk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85590 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 03:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 03:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53906.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.216) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 03:23:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 63478 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2004 03:23:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20041230032345.63476.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.198.143.172] by web53906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:23:45 CST Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:23:45 +0800 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.36.216 From: k b yu Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo receivers? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=191263277 X-Yahoo-Profile: vr2xxg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=BIG5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Amy. =20 You are welcome to have any comment on our AMS broadcasting. See you! Amy Mousie wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "vr2xxg" wrote: >=20 > Hello, >=20 > I am an engineer working with AM stereo transmission in Hong Kong.=20 It=20 > is difficult to find stereo receivers locally, for all walkman=20 size,=20 > car radio and rack mount tuner. >=20 > Could anyone share where to buy AM stereo from overseas! There's only one place that sells them online:=20 http://www.audiocubes.com However, they're just selling three Sony portables, SRF-A300, SRF- AX15, and SRF-AX51V. Sony Japan's online catalog has several more- home and car AMS=20 radios, as well as personal and portable radios. I don't know if any other manufacturer currently makes AMS radios in=20 Japan, but Japan is the only market I'm aware of where AMS radios are=20 still readily available. As for Hong Kong AMS, that is something I would love to hear! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ =20=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =20=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 =AD=C9=B9L=A1B=A4@=A9=E7=A8=E2=B4=B2=A1B=A9_=AC=A5=A7=F5=BA=FB=B4=B5=A6^=AB= H... =A5=FE=B4=E4=B3=CC=A4j=A4=E2=BE=F7=A4U=B8=FC=A4=A4=A4=DF http://mobile.yahoo.com.hk/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Dec 29 19:35:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70533 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 03:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 03:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 03:35:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 96103 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2004 03:35:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=bgSRs4EsQau671POc76flPT8JF5s2K0yiK5PCJSZvP6X933+SIzriMQSxxwVnoZyq0WNZWxVdVBbTcyY7qJT9XuLutmz6FiCbGE9Vto8gtPeIXj+igqNMyn+X89Ah0V7/emHj7D6OELwtpCBnbPiTmXWQ0MOo5e+7xIc3iYwP0w= ; Message-ID: <20041230033517.96101.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.100] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:35:17 PST Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:35:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: GM windshield antennas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: >> The main company to blame is GM. It was the horrible > Delco car radios and > windshield antennas that drove listeners to FM. The > whole purpose of the > Optimod 9000 was to try to blast some highs through > those Delcos. In the 82 Olds full size wagon, the analog radio with windshield antenna picks up WSB AS GOOD as the radio in the 1996 Ford Ranger. Audio is OK, but would sound better if I replaced the speakers. The bandwidth on the AM on this radio is not that restricted. At least I don't have that computer noise due to all the bad grounds in the Ranger. The later GM radios and ESPECIALLY the current ones have AM sections that are dangerous. Yes, dangerous because the bandwidth is so restricted you have to pay CLOSE attention to the talk, and that takes away from the attention you have to put toward DRIVING! Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Wed Dec 29 19:50:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70000 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 03:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 03:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 03:50:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 03:50:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 03:50:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 03:50:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1805 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions >How did the manufacturers get burned? They got burned because the FCC did not standardize the system from the start and many stations didn't know what system to switch to. The result was just a few stations running the system. There was not enoguh consumer demand for the radios to justify the expense of retooling and R&D. ...A bad situation for everbody. It just left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. I have met engineers who cuss AM ST up one side and down the other. Most of thier vitreol is because they were the ones who pushed the system in the first place and it did not pay off for management. It's nice to learn that all of the AM ST radios out there can all get C-QUAM. There are just not enough of them to make a difference from a broadcaster's point of view, though. In fact, most people don't even know that there is such a thing as AM stereo. If they do, it's like, "Yeah... I remember that. Wasn't it an experiment they tried back in the 80's that didn't work?" I've heard that exact line from several listeners. It would be beneficial to everyone if the new 'Digital' radios were also good analog radios, too. Visteon is a great example that we can point to when talking to other manufacturers. The design engineers at that company obviously have some sense. IBOC is coming whether we like it or not. Let's try and make the best of it we can. It has that buzzword 'digital' attached to it and that will get everyone's attention when the big marketing campaign gets underway. We can maybe get some really good radios out there, in all modes and that helps everyone. I'm telling you, if radio owners found out that all of the new HD radio's got C-QUAM too, you'd tune a lot more stations that make your stereo light come on. :) JC From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Dec 29 20:06:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27125 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 04:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 04:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 04:06:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 04:05:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 04:05:56 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78199 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 03:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 03:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 03:46:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 03:46:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 03:46:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 03:46:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041230032345.63476.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 559 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.143 Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo receivers? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 30 Dec 2004 04:05:54 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, k b yu wrote: > Thank you Amy. > > You are welcome to have any comment on our AMS broadcasting. See you! Being that I'm in northwestern California, the only way I'll hear Hong Kong AMS is through MP3 sound samples; otherwise, I'd be absolutely thrilled to hear Hong Kong AMS. :) This goes for any AM stereo anywhere in the world. The two places you can upload AMS off-air samples and such are: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/upload-here-please Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Dec 29 20:16:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79004 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 04:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 04:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 04:16:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 20:15:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 04:14:21 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:14:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2004 04:15:01.0566 (UTC) FILETIME=[21C0ADE0:01C4EE26] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.79 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 JC wrote: > if radio owners found out that all of the new HD radio's got C-QUAM too, you'd tune a lot more stations that make your stereo light come on. I doubt it because nearly every AM radio station that is worth owning is owned by Clear Channel, Infinity, Entercom, or Citadel. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Dec 29 20:44:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58860 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 04:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 04:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 04:44:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 20:44:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 04:43:46 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20041230033517.96101.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:43:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2004 04:44:00.0404 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E2E4D40:01C4EE2A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.78 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} GM windshield antennas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: >At least I don't have that computer noise due to all the bad grounds in the Ranger. Ford has a TSB (Technical Service Bullitin) on the Ranger RFI problem. You may want to get a copy from a Ford dealer. In short the TSB says to shield the computer and ground EVERYTHING made of metal. I must have put 25 miles of copper braid in my old '91 Ranger chasing RFI. While I never did get rid of all of the noise, it did help a good bit. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 29 21:46:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1371 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 05:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 05:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 05:46:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 05:46:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 05:46:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 05:46:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 725 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.1 Subject: Re: {AMSF} GM windshield antennas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I must have put 25 miles of copper braid in my old '91 Ranger > chasing RFI. While I never did get rid of all of the noise, it did > help a good bit. The main issue my '91 VW Golf has with AM radio reception when the engine is running is ignition noise (a buzzing/crackling that changes in pitch along with engine speed). Even when using spark plug wires which claim to have superior interference suppression, the ignition noise persists. I have noticed, however, that the interference is reduced when I switch on the headlights. I can only suppose that this is somehow because of the increased electrical load placed upon the alternator -- although the alternator itself isn't causing any RFI that I know of. From mspatoray@sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 29 22:34:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspatoray@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5778 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 06:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 06:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 06:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (mspatoray@sbcglobal.net@64.108.116.206 with login) by smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 06:33:53 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 01:33:51 -0500 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.187 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Re: {AMSF} 80's Declo AM ST radio not working right X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178375692 X-Yahoo-Profile: mpatoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah it is probably a BOSE model that only outputs Line Level, as the bose speakers had amplifiers attached to them. Matt On 12/29/04 8:19 PM, "wnjo960" wrote: > > Hello all: > > Went to the junkyard and got 3 radios - a 89 Chrysler Infinity AM > ST/FM ST, a 94 Chrysler AM/FM ST, and a 85-89 Delco Cadillac AM ST > (not the bare bones one, the Symphony Sound one with the 5 band eq). > All of them work, but the Delco's amp doesnt seem to work right - I > turn up the volume, but it gets only slightly louder and just starts > to get distorted after a certain point. Everything else works fine > (well, the Stereo LCD wont light up on FM, but on AM it does), and > has better AM fidelity than the Infinity. Any clues? Thanks! > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > ps/S=1705034690:HM/EXP=1104455996/A=2061551/R=0/SIG=11sr5b9n1/*http://launch.y > ahoo.com/artist/videos.asp?artistID=1001301> > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service > . > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Dec 30 00:17:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18745 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 08:17:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 08:17:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 08:17:06 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041230081618.OBRS23615.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 03:16:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <140C364C-5A3B-11D9-A6B6-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:16:17 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.35 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I disagree. The windshield antennas that I had on my '74 Vega and '73 El Camino worked fine. And the radios were decent for AM sound, limited more by the speakers than anything else. What drove listeners to FM was vastly superior programming. No one back then talked about sound quality; everyone said FM was where to find Led Zeppelin, etc. etc.. The great AM top-40 stations meanwhile were sitting on their past glories watching it all happen, or worse, hiring John Sebastian to program them (KHJ became "Position 93" and the ratings immediately fell). KFRC in San Francisco was at the top of the ratings until Walter Sabo made them drop music from 9 AM to 3 PM to play game shows. Later, after he destroyed KHJ fully with "Car Radio," he went back and placed some of the elements on KFRC. Other examples of bad programming: KFI goes mushy (to get business listeners, perhaps?), KEZY went to news, The Mighty 690 went oldies then sports ... again and again, things that made people run FROM AM. Had FM not been around, I think it would have happened anyway. FM just happened to be there to get the entertainment for a while until satellite and iPods came along. Now the same thing is happening again, to FM. Richard Wagoner On Dec 29, 2004, at 6:06 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > The main company to blame is GM. It was the horrible Delco car radios > and > windshield antennas that drove listeners to FM. The whole purpose of > the > Optimod 9000 was to try to blast some highs through those Delcos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pd@96wnjo.com Thu Dec 30 06:53:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pd@96wnjo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36688 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 14:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 14:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 14:53:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 14:52:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 14:52:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:52:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 396 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "wnjo960" X-Originating-IP: 67.83.113.165 Subject: Re: 80's Delco AM ST X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159836599 X-Yahoo-Profile: wnjo960 Boy do I feel stupid - I hooked up two speakers to it, and it works great! But now I have a different problem - the Infinity radio's right speakers dont work, front or back. Now, theres two things I can do - 1, fix the Infinity or 2, transplant the C-QUAM components (if possible) to the 94 AM/FM that has expanded band coverage (DX'ed WRLL last night just in time for the ID). Any advice? From tomray@wor710.com Thu Dec 30 10:18:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87787 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 18:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 18:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 18:18:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 18:17:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 18:17:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:17:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041228214742.75402.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 411 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > > > But what IS your definition of wideband? Seriously, if > you are using a TX-11B in wide mode it would be > unpleasant. Some of the engineers pushing IBOC think > anything over 2 Kilohertz analog is wideband.... ]:) > > Any AM radio that can reproduce greater than 5kHz on the top end I consider wideband. TR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Dec 30 10:19:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21751 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 18:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 18:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 18:19:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 18:19:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 18:19:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:19:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 288 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Many > people purposely off-tune an AM radio in order to get a brighter > sound (even if it causes the distortion level to skyrocket). And how does one off-tune a digital tuner that takes 10kHz steps? TR From tomray@wor710.com Thu Dec 30 10:22:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60324 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 18:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 18:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 18:22:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 18:22:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 18:22:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:21:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <41D20A4A.1000002@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 600 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > WOW I gotta Listen to that... WOR went all Funk all the Time????? > a Little P-Funk maybe...? > Lets get down and Get Funky.. Great Format For NYC You really should hear Bob Grant rap! > Hey Tom just having a little fun... Its cold as Hell here no heat in > the house.... Looking For a Donation of $7200 for a New Boiler... we had > noX-mas for My 2 kids second year in a row. That sucks. Kerry was in that position a few evenings ago....and I had the expansion tank on my system fail over Christmas. TR From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Dec 30 14:26:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14979 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 22:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 22:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 22:26:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 22:26:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 22:26:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:26:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041230033517.96101.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 216 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 172.145.114.44 Subject: Re: GM windshield antennas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I hated those things with a passion - the AM sensitivity was awful. I drilled a hole in the fender and installed a 60 inch whip antenna, and didn't use the windshield antenna at all. Sensitivity problem solved! From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Dec 30 14:30:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8864 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 22:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 22:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 22:30:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 22:30:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 22:30:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:30:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 505 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 172.145.114.44 Subject: Re: Radio Disney-Dallas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > Oh, gosh, no. I don't mind compression. But there was Something > squashing 620's signal, and, whatever it was, they've fixed it. I > think you'll be in for a pleasant surprise when you get back to town. I had a pleasant one in Lubbock. I tried the wide mode, and can hear the highs, along with a lot of heterodyne from 630. But the real shocker was in the car, with a signal strong enough to drown out a lot of power line noise. I think they did some more tweaking, even since yesterday. From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Dec 30 15:34:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4866 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 23:34:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 23:34:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 23:34:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 95970 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2004 23:34:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=bxdj1Z23bLM9/8DYsMYFeAWL/mNom3Ld7UNOH90EDQrAIVwwGR8skt1sNAu/0AwZTkGBWyztTEfMPEH0rjvlWtdZ3fopZuop+wsG2vaktAVRjjTIwG34U1JHqOayEIExJqE4icgTQwZDycN43G8XBXwI/0pgXeu2iPsD4oD5+gM= ; Message-ID: <20041230233423.95968.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.176] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:34:23 PST Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:34:23 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} GM windshield antennas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > > I must have put 25 miles of copper braid in my old > '91 Ranger > > chasing RFI. While I never did get rid of all of > the noise, it did > > help a good bit. > > The main issue my '91 VW Golf has with AM radio > reception when the > engine is running is ignition noise (a > buzzing/crackling that changes > in pitch along with engine speed). Even when using > spark plug wires > which claim to have superior interference > suppression, the ignition > noise persists. I have noticed, however, that the > interference is > reduced when I switch on the headlights. I can only > suppose that > this is somehow because of the increased electrical > load placed upon > the alternator -- although the alternator itself > isn't causing any > RFI that I know of. A very simple fix. Trade it in for a DIESEL model, Kevin..... ];) Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Dec 30 15:36:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41521 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 23:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 23:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52404.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.112) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 23:36:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 66521 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2004 23:36:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=u+bMNV+ZB3DXjCYeJUyCc3sOKwZ9T/KbA1CYD6Isus/mutFRcpouC+0KcH3kOtQWh1TPPki21lAPsW38Bv6ZMQaouEoJpm2F6e3/pt5IiEHzihIZvxt0gvGxLrrUMbOQ9IiEduWLklGXXuClS7T0X9Oe1kugeRfEcktBMw0kI3k= ; Message-ID: <20041230233632.66519.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.176] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:36:32 PST Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:36:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.112 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > But what IS your definition of wideband? > Seriously, if > > you are using a TX-11B in wide mode it would be > > unpleasant. Some of the engineers pushing IBOC > think > > anything over 2 Kilohertz analog is wideband.... > ]:) > > > > > > > Any AM radio that can reproduce greater than 5kHz on > the top end I > consider wideband. > > TR Ouch! I'd say 7.5 kilohertz. The Zenith High Fidelity surely does. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Dec 30 15:37:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39150 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 23:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 23:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52403.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.111) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 23:37:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 90997 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2004 23:37:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=RKcL14fnCF6H8Qz3CwLXrSXTTLUea3t+TNVUT0GzQ3+nD+5uMDZy1hN0WbBsb1eprU6VoroeP/0hyTkkMqEu+f5mVz4qyQ6TQSrCAZlIkotHwRR7R0e50dKS2flgZGTcqjLD4Rjp8SIhGoTLJ8F7d8iExdOS+amlltEqRpK/LWw= ; Message-ID: <20041230233742.90995.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.176] by web52403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:37:42 PST Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:37:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.111 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > Many > > people purposely off-tune an AM radio in order to > get a brighter > > sound (even if it causes the distortion level to > skyrocket). > And how does one off-tune a digital tuner that takes > 10kHz steps? > TR On cars you can't but the CC radio does 1 kilohertz steps by the tuning knob. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Dec 30 16:37:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41124 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 00:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 00:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 00:37:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 00:37:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 00:37:52 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39249 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 05:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 05:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 05:36:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 05:35:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 05:35:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 05:35:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2490 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.156 Subject: Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 31 Dec 2004 00:37:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: > > >How did the manufacturers get burned? > > They got burned because the FCC did not standardize the system from > the start and many stations didn't know what system to switch to. > The result was just a few stations running the system. There was not > enoguh consumer demand for the radios to justify the expense of > retooling and R&D. ...A bad situation for everbody. It just left a > bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. I have met engineers who cuss > AM ST up one side and down the other. Most of thier vitreol is > because they were the ones who pushed the system in the first place > and it did not pay off for management. Not quite true. The average listener was often COMPLETELY unaware of AM stereo, or even if it was possible to do. At its peak, there were nearly 900 AM stereo stations broadcasting in the US and Canada. And it wasn't for lack of trying- Manufacturers were hesitant, thanks in VERY LARGE part to Leonard R. Kahn, who threatened numerous suits. > It's nice to learn that all of the AM ST radios out there can all get > C-QUAM. There are just not enough of them to make a difference from > a broadcaster's point of view, though. In fact, most people don't > even know that there is such a thing as AM stereo. If they do, it's > like, "Yeah... I remember that. Wasn't it an experiment they tried > back in the 80's that didn't work?" I've heard that exact line from > several listeners. The saturation of AM stereo is on par with the saturation of MTS TV stereo-- 10 and 15 percent, respectively. Since most radio listening is done in cars, you have a large percentage of Fords and Chryslers that have AM stereo in them now, and have been since 1985. GM, too, although I don't know if they still have AMS radios factory installed. Granted, there are NO aftermarket/retail AMS radios in the US EXCEPT for Fanfare and Japan Radio, but who can afford those radios, at $1800 a pop? But still, 10% of your potential listening audience HAS AM STEREO, NOW! ....and most don't even know it. Not like the feature is highlighted when advertizing.... Sadly, the stations have declined compared to the number of capable receivers-- There are less than 300, now. There WERE 600 as of 1996, before Infinity, ClearChannel, et al, started buying them up. It isn't so much a dying medium, but one being strangled to death. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Dec 30 16:37:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93711 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 00:37:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 00:37:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 00:37:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 00:37:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 00:37:59 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55292 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 05:38:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2004 05:38:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 05:38:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 05:38:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2004 05:38:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 05:38:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 597 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.156 Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 31 Dec 2004 00:37:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > JC wrote: > > if radio owners found out that all of the new HD radio's got C- QUAM too, > you'd tune a lot more stations that make your stereo light come on. > > I doubt it because nearly every AM radio station that is worth owning is > owned by Clear Channel, Infinity, Entercom, or Citadel. All of which have put a stranglehold on AM stereo broadcasting since 1996. "Digital" will not save radio UNLESS it lives up to the promise. Convince me there's added value in HD Radio. I dare you! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 30 16:54:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5756 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 00:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 00:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 00:54:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 00:54:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 00:54:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:54:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1604 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.1 Subject: Re: WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Any AM radio that can reproduce greater than 5kHz on the top end I > consider wideband. A kHz figure stated by itself is meaningless. One radio might have an AM audio response that is perfectly flat at 6 kHz, while another may be -20 dB at 6 kHz, but even the second one could be considered "wideband" if you take into consideration any audio response which exceeds the threshold of audibility, however slight it may be. In other words, you have to look at the radio's entire response curve, not just its specification. You can have two radios which are both specified to be -3 dB at 4.5 kHz on AM, but one of these drops off like a cliff and reaches the noise floor at 5 kHz while the other radio has a much more gradual drop-off and doesn't reach the noise floor until 12 kHz! The audio processing used the AM stations can also make a huge difference in the way receivers sound. Try comparing a lightly- processed CRL Amigo AM with a fully-cranked Optimod 9200, and even on a narrowband receiver it will be like night and day -- and indeed, some AM stations are using extreme levels of processing and pre- emphasis in order to help squeeze a brighter sound out of a typically muffled AM radio. In NYC, Radio Disney on 1560 WQEW is a perfect example of this. They are by far the brightest-sounding station on the dial; on a true wideband receiver, you have to turn the treble control nearly all the way down in order to avoid getting a headache from the sound of screeching tweeters. Same thing with 570 WMCA, although their talk programming makes it a bit more tolerable. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 30 16:58:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99858 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 00:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 00:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 00:58:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 00:58:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 00:58:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:58:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 135 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.1 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > And how does one off-tune a digital tuner that takes 10kHz steps? As a typical WOR listener would say, "What's a digital tuner?" From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 30 17:06:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19581 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 01:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 01:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 01:06:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 01:06:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 01:06:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 01:06:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041230233742.90995.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 802 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.1 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR vs. WABC audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > On cars you can't but the CC radio does 1 kilohertz > steps by the tuning knob. Becker is the OEM car radio maker for Mercedes-Benz, and the very first digital-tuning radios introduced by them, circa 1979-1980, tuned in 3 kHz steps on AM -- thus insuring that no matter what channel spacing is used by the stations in your area, you'll never be tuned more than 1 kHz away from the station's actual frequency. A few years later, Becker switched to 1 kHz tuning steps on AM. I replaced the original Becker radio in my 1985 Mercedes 300D with a 1987-model Becker with C-Quam AM Stereo, and both have fine-tuning in 1 kHz steps on AM. The 1985 radio (with mono AM) has a narrower bandwidth, so purposely off-tuning it by 2 or 3 kHz will provide a very noticeable increase in treble response. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Dec 30 17:32:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54910 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 01:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 01:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 01:32:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:32:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 01:31:33 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:31:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2004 01:32:01.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[86FE5CE0:01C4EED8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.88 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 > > I doubt it because nearly every AM radio station that is worth owning is owned by Clear Channel, Infinity, Entercom, or Citadel. Amy Mousie wrote: > > All of which have put a stranglehold on AM stereo broadcasting since 1996. And they do things with radio stations that I will never understand. In 1983 when Keymarket (now Clear Channel) took over Top-40 WQOK 1440, it was was the Number 3 station in Greenville, SC. This was the first "bad book" the station had as WQOK had been the number 1 station in Greenville for over 20 years. "What did Keymarket do with the station?" you may ask. They changed the call letters to WGVL and the format to MOR, then News-Talk, then comedy, then Big band, then comedy, then gave up and simulcasted WSSL-FM on it. They way they got the audio to WSSL-AM was disgusting. They had a little GE boom box tuned to 100.5 FM and feeding the headphone output into the old Gates console at the old AM studio at the transmitter site! Later they tried Southern Gospel a couple of times, and another shot at News-Talk then Sports. as WGSL then WGVL again. Last year was the first time now Spanish WGVL 1440 made the Arbitron book with a 0.4 since the last book as WQOK in 1983! This book (Summer '04) they did pull a 1.2 as the Number 16 station in the market and Number 2 AM. This is the best book the station has had since 1983. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Dec 30 18:01:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32663 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 02:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 02:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao12.cox.net) (68.230.241.27) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 02:01:01 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041231015914.KZUP1664.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:59:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <91E266B2-5ACF-11D9-8CB9-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:59:13 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.27 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ANOTHER example of forcing listeners to FM. Richard Wagoner On Dec 30, 2004, at 5:31 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > > > I doubt it because nearly every AM radio station that is worth=20 > owning is > owned by Clear Channel, Infinity, Entercom, or Citadel. > > Amy Mousie wrote: > > > > All of which have put a stranglehold on AM stereo broadcasting=20 > since 1996. > > And they do things with radio stations that I will never understand.=20 > In 1983 > when Keymarket (now Clear Channel) took over Top-40 WQOK 1440, it was=20 > was > the Number 3 station in Greenville, SC. This was the first "bad book"=20 > the > station had as WQOK had been the number 1 station in Greenville for=20 > over 20 > years. "What did Keymarket do with the station?" you may ask. They=20 > changed > the call letters to WGVL and the format to MOR, then News-Talk, then=20 > comedy, > then Big band, then comedy, then gave up and simulcasted WSSL-FM on=20 > it. They > way they got the audio to WSSL-AM was disgusting. They had a little=20 > GE boom > box tuned to 100.5 FM and feeding the headphone output into the old=20 > Gates > console at the old AM studio at the transmitter site! Later they tried > Southern Gospel a couple of times, and another shot at News-Talk then > Sports. as WGSL then WGVL again. Last year was the first time now=20 > Spanish > WGVL 1440 made the Arbitron book with a 0.4 since the last book as=20 > WQOK in > 1983! This book (Summer '04) they did pull a 1.2 as the Number 16=20 > station in > the market and Number 2 AM. This is the best book the station has had=20 > since > 1983. > > Kevin in Tampa > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio.=A0 From a=20 > mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard=20 > Kahn > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <121504_y1204_a_300250a.gif> > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Thu Dec 30 18:52:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7437 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 02:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 02:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 02:52:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 02:52:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 02:52:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 02:51:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2687 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: >"Digital" will not save radio UNLESS it lives up to the promise.=20 >Convince me there's added value in HD Radio. I dare you! I can't because you already know better! I am not going to even try=20 and argue the technical points of the system with someone who is as=20 knowledgeable about how radio is actually transmitted as you=85=20=20 Frankly, the IBOC system sucks! C-QUAM is a very efficient system=20 that appeals to our technical sense of eloquence. However, when you=20 are talking about mass marketing something and trying to create a=20 consumer demand for it, you're not dealing with tangible realities=20 like technical specs anymore=85 It's all perception. Value is=20 perceived not innate. The value of anything is relative and most times strictly based on=20 what someone else has told you. For instance, the uneducated person=20 might not see much difference between a Rolex and a Timex or a Chevy=20 and a BMW. You know the difference because someone tells you=20 somewhere along the way that the Rolex and the BMW are better. In=20 the average consumer's mind, `digital' is better. They have been=20 told that over and over again in reference to many, many types of=20 electronic services and devices. HD radio is digital and therefore=20 will be perceived as better and more valuable simply because of that=20 fact even though it is not.=20=20 Yes, MTS TV only has a 10 or 15 percent compliance but the mono TV's=20 don't sound as bad as mono AM radios do. That makes a huge=20 difference. Comparing AM ST with TV MTS is somewhat like comparing=20 apples and oranges that way.=20=20 You'll get no argument from me about how poorly the big corporations=20 have run radio over the last ten years. There are major problems=20 both in programming and engineering that can only be blamed on=20 shoddy stewardship of the medium. There ain't much any of us can do=20 about it. I hope that the public will one day say enough is enough=20 and start putting pressure on CC, Infinity and the rest for better=20 programming and sound quality. HD radio might just be the catalyst=20 that will start that reaction. It is important to note that even=20 though it may seem like they own all the AM stations worth owning,=20 it isn't true. There are a lot of small groups out there and quite=20 a few stand alone stations, too. The future of radio will start=20 with those stations. The big boys will be playing catch up when=20 radio begins to turn around. Wait and see. HD radio will make people turn their attention to the medium for a=20 while. It is important that those who desire a change in the=20 industry make our voices heard when it does.=20=20 :) JC From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Dec 30 19:25:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58269 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 03:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 03:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 03:25:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:25:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 03:24:30 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:24:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2004 03:25:00.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F58A790:01C4EEE8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.85 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 JC wrote: > I hope that the public will one day say enough is enough and start putting pressure on CC, Infinity and the rest for better programming and sound quality. The public is doing just that by voting with their Dollars. XM and Sirius has proven people will PAY for better programming, but that ain't the real news story. The REAL news story is people are leaving radio in droves to listen to their iPods! I am as guilty as the next guy. I loaded up my iPod with TM Century's Gold Drive Oldies format, deleted the songs I don't like, and PRESTO! I have my own automated Oldies station that only plays the songs I like with no stupid contests or never ending commercial breaks! When I get to work I hook it up to my FM modulator and listen to it while I work all day. I have also noticed several co-workers are tuning their radios to my iPod's signal as well. Another "radio revolution" is being fought right on the airwaves. Pirate radio stations are popping up at a much faster rate than the FCC can close them down! From my location near the I-75 and US 301 intersection, I can hear 4 pirate FMs. > >though it may seem like they own all the AM stations worth owning, it isn't true. Yea, there is WGN in Chicago, but still... Name a medium or large market with a "Mom & Pop" AM in the top 5. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Dec 30 19:59:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37151 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 03:59:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 03:59:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao02.cox.net) (68.230.241.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 03:59:26 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041231035901.DQUJ17983.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:59:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4DEFE970-5AE0-11D9-8CB9-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:59:01 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.37 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The sad thing is, the research proves this to be true, and none of the majors are doing anything about it. While few young people -- THE future of radio -- even turn on traditional radio, the major corporate owners go on like nothing has changed with lousy programming complemented by cluttered production and presentation. I just got Sirius; my iPod was my main source of music in the car before, and I write about radio! Sad. Richard On Dec 30, 2004, at 7:24 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > JC wrote: > > I hope that the public will one day say enough is enough and start > putting > pressure on CC, Infinity and the rest for better programming and sound > quality. > > The public is doing just that by voting with their Dollars. XM and > Sirius > has proven people will PAY for better programming, but that ain't the > real > news story. > > The REAL news story is people are leaving radio in droves to listen > to their > iPods! I am as guilty as the next guy. I loaded up my iPod with TM > Century's > Gold Drive Oldies format, deleted the songs I don't like, and PRESTO! > I have > my own automated Oldies station that only plays the songs I like with > no > stupid contests or never ending commercial breaks! When I get to work > I hook > it up to my FM modulator and listen to it while I work all day. I > have also > noticed several co-workers are tuning their radios to my iPod's > signal as > well. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Dec 30 21:01:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76674 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 05:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 05:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 05:01:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:01:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 05:00:07 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <4DEFE970-5AE0-11D9-8CB9-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:00:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2004 05:01:00.0405 (UTC) FILETIME=[B88FDA50:01C4EEF5] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.86 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Richard Wagoner wrote: >While few young people -- THE future of radio -- even turn on traditional radio, the major corporate owners go on like nothing has changed Oh but it HAS changed! Now Clear Channel is getting into the Non-Comm FM band as well! Yes, Clear Channel pulls the strings of their Non-Comm puppet...er "partner", Lakeland Florida based Radio Training Network, Inc. They own scores of "Bible Banger" FMs in the non-comm band and swap programming, air time, and LMAs with Clear Channel! What they do is set up Contemporary Christian stations on the Non-Comm band under the ownership of Radio Training Network, Inc., then program a complementary Christian format on a commercial Clear Channel owned station! A prime example of this is WLFJ in Greenville, SC. Radio Training Network owns and operates WLFJ-FM on 89.3. Clear Channel owns and operates WLFJ AM 660, but it is programmed by Radio Training Network's WLFJ-FM. Still, WLFJ AM 660 is a commercial station and Radio Training Network sells ads and air time on it, as well as beg for donations! Yes, boys and girls, it is TRUE! "His Radio" WLFJ (With Love From Jesus) is just another Clear Channel cash cow! A few Christian watchdog groups have warned against donating to Radio Training Network owned stations, but most Christian groups are afraid to speak out about them. The sad fact is if you want your ministry on Contemporary Christain radio, in many markets you HAVE to play ball with Clear Channel and Radio Training Network, Inc. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From bratina501@msn.com Thu Dec 30 21:34:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68338 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 05:34:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 05:34:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 05:34:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 05:34:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 05:34:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 05:34:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 441 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Nicholas" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.25 Subject: Re: Radio Disney-Dallas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > > Well, on Christmas morning, I mentioned Disney's "squashed" sound on > the Radio-Info Dallas board (especially in comparison to WBAP--also > AM Stereo, and also an ABC property). KDZR Portland which is also a Radio Disney station had a problem too they had a reverb in their signal for one day luckily it is now fixed and their audio is back to normal. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Dec 30 21:38:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14258 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 05:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 05:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 05:38:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 05:38:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 05:38:03 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43953 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 02:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 02:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 02:33:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 02:33:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 02:33:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 02:33:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <91E266B2-5ACF-11D9-8CB9-000D9356B656@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 815 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.156 Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 31 Dec 2004 05:37:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > ANOTHER example of forcing listeners to FM. And OFF of FM, nowadays. Transitory broadcasting does not make for good ratings, because it does take a while to build up listenership, which translates to $$$$. You'd think by now station operators would realize that there is no such thing as "instant gratification" in broadcasting, unless you do an all-out publicity blitz. But if you change one month later, those listeners will leave, so where do you expect new listeners to come from? It takes work to make a successful station, but it means sticking with something longer than a few months. You need that money, and your advertisers expect to be heard. Stupid people should not own broadcasting companies. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Dec 30 23:49:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6714 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 07:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 07:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 07:49:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 07:49:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 07:49:09 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30688 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 05:44:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 05:44:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 05:44:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 05:44:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 05:44:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 05:44:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2811 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.156 Subject: Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 31 Dec 2004 07:49:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" =20 wrote: >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 > wrote: >=20 > >"Digital" will not save radio UNLESS it lives up to the promise.=20 > >Convince me there's added value in HD Radio. I dare you! >=20 > I can't because you already know better! I am not going to even=20 try=20 > and argue the technical points of the system with someone who is as=20 > knowledgeable about how radio is actually transmitted as you=85=20=20 Oh, come on- I'm not that good! :) > Frankly, the IBOC system sucks! C-QUAM is a very efficient system=20 > that appeals to our technical sense of eloquence. However, when you=20 > are talking about mass marketing something and trying to create a=20 > consumer demand for it, you're not dealing with tangible realities=20 > like technical specs anymore=85 It's all perception. Value is=20 > perceived not innate. What gets me is that IBOC is being allowed to do the same thing=20 Harris did, and Harris got sacked for it- running an AM stereo system=20 that caused excessive RFI to adjacents because of harmonics in the=20 quadrature scheme- Stuff that Harris fudged the books on when=20 bringing it to the FCC, and thus forcing the conversion to C-QUAM or=20 abandoning altogether. (Only a few Harris stations continued using=20 the Harris AMS system into the '90s.) If the FCC was so concerned about adjacent-channel RFI back then,=20 shouldn't they be consistant with IBOC today? I could think of a far better digital transmission system- Still not=20 C-QUAM compatible, but it could be mono-compatible, based on hybrid=20 DRM, except using a modulation-matching technique that causes so=20 little interference as not to be noticable. Yes, it can be done! And=20 no, it's not like Cam-D, obviously. It will still sound mediocre in=20 digital most (most likely), but some of the biggest problems facing=20 IBOC's acceptance on the AM broadcast band could be greatly=20 alleviated, simply by masking the modulation/frequency mask of the=20 transmitted analog mono audio to the quadrature-fed digital. To the=20 regular mono receiver, it would be transparent, and even with a=20 bandwidth out to 10kHz, it would still cause no serious RFI, much as=20 using the NRSC curve for analog audio does for a mono or C-QUAM=20 stereo station. > Yes, MTS TV only has a 10 or 15 percent compliance but the mono=20 TV's=20 > don't sound as bad as mono AM radios do. That makes a huge=20 > difference. Comparing AM ST with TV MTS is somewhat like comparing=20 > apples and oranges that way.=20=20 As so many have pointed out, there lately has been a flood of=20 wideband (VERY!) AM radios, and when MTS came out, believe me, it=20 sounded WORSE than mono TV audio. (It was supposed to fall off at=20 12.5kHz, but the first receivers were more like 6-8kHz.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Dec 30 23:50:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8439 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 07:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 07:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 07:50:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 07:49:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 07:49:20 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31482 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 05:52:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 05:52:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 05:52:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 05:52:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 05:52:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 05:52:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 791 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.156 Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 31 Dec 2004 07:49:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > The REAL news story is people are leaving radio in droves to listen to their > iPods! I am as guilty as the next guy. I loaded up my iPod with TM Century's > Gold Drive Oldies format, deleted the songs I don't like, and PRESTO! I have > my own automated Oldies station that only plays the songs I like with no > stupid contests or never ending commercial breaks! When I get to work I hook > it up to my FM modulator and listen to it while I work all day. I have also > noticed several co-workers are tuning their radios to my iPod's signal as > well. I envy you- I wish I had a good stereo oldies collection (<1955-1985) to jam a few good-sized SD cards full for my Pocket PC. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 31 01:40:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93512 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 09:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 09:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 09:40:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 09:39:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 09:39:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 09:39:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1229 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.1 Subject: Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > As so many have pointed out, there lately has been a flood of > wideband (VERY!) AM radios, and when MTS came out, believe me, it > sounded WORSE than mono TV audio. (It was supposed to fall off at > 12.5kHz, but the first receivers were more like 6-8kHz.) TV station can and do transmit full 15 kHz audio, just like FM; the only difference is that a sharp "brick-wall" at 15 kHz is necessary, in order to protect the 15.7 kHz pilot tone. I have a Radio Shack MTS TV Stereo audio-only tuner from 1985, and it sounds better than any FM I've heard, due to the much less aggressive audio processing that TV stations use. What you may be thinking of, though, was the non-"hi-fi" VHS Stereo videotape format, which was a cheap way of providing stereo audio from VHS and only offered the same low-fidelity sound as VHS mono (no better than 6 to 8 kHz response, just as you mentioned). Most commercially-released VHS tapes still have the linear audio track in VHS Stereo, but if you have a modern Hi-Fi VCR, you'll have no reason to ever listen to the lo-fi linear audio. In fact, when recording in audio-only mode, my VCR doesn't even produce a linear audio track -- it only records the Hi-Fi stereo audio track. From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Fri Dec 31 08:54:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67350 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 16:54:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 16:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 16:54:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 16:54:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 16:54:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:53:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 441 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions I have a Radio Shack=20 > MTS TV Stereo audio-only tuner from 1985, and it sounds better=20 than=20 > any FM I've heard, due to the much less aggressive audio=20 processing=20 > that TV stations use. I wish radio stations would process their audio like TV does. TV=20 audio usually sounds much better because of the lighter processing=20 used. Radio could sound that good, too. I got over the=20 whole `louder is better' thing a long time ago=85 JC From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Dec 31 10:30:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60227 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 18:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 18:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 18:30:05 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.26]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:30:03 -0700 Message-ID: <003d01c4ef66$c8babb40$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:30:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2004 18:30:04.0488 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF171480:01C4EF66] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude But to get it out to the masses who aren't as quality conscious as we are, it has to be available in at least the more expensive boom boxes at Wal Mart and such. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "JC" It seems to me that if a company starts out with a good AM Stereo radio, the addition of the IBOC decoder would mean the addition of one chip and a corresponding logic circuit to make the switching possible. That should not add too much to the build casts. We are also talking about relatively high end stuff. The extra expense should not be an obstacle to start out. From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Dec 31 10:48:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25696 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 18:48:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 18:48:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 18:48:39 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.26]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:48:37 -0700 Message-ID: <007701c4ef69$60a13a40$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:48:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2004 18:48:38.0187 (UTC) FILETIME=[56E80FB0:01C4EF69] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've backed off the processing at my stations slightly, but since they're all talk of one form or another going against some 50kW talk stations, I can't back off as much as I'd like since my stations are 5kW or less. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JC" I wish radio stations would process their audio like TV does. TV audio usually sounds much better because of the lighter processing used. Radio could sound that good, too. I got over the whole `louder is better' thing a long time ago. From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Fri Dec 31 10:49:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21251 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 18:49:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 18:49:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 18:49:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 18:49:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 18:49:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 18:49:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2207 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "dbdigital2004" X-Originating-IP: 69.3.183.16 Subject: Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" > wrote: > > > > >How did the manufacturers get burned? > > > > They got burned because the FCC did not standardize the system from > > the start and many stations didn't know what system to switch to. > > The result was just a few stations running the system. There was > not > > enoguh consumer demand for the radios to justify the expense of > > retooling and R&D. ...A bad situation for everbody. It just left > a > > bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. I have met engineers who > cuss > > AM ST up one side and down the other. Most of thier vitreol is > > because they were the ones who pushed the system in the first place > > and it did not pay off for management. > > Not quite true. > > The average listener was often COMPLETELY unaware of AM stereo, or > even if it was possible to do. > It might also be a case of negative perceptions of AM stereo in addition to the lack of a clear AMS standard, initially. I remember about 38 or 40 years ago, classical KFAC in Los Angeles announced that they were broadcasting in AM stereo. But to hear KFAC-AM in stereo, listeners had to buy a second AM radio, tune one radio slightly to the left and the other slightly to the right of the frequency. I remember thinking, "jeez, what a hassle. Forget AM stereo." After a while KFAC dropped AMS. Of course, today, C-Quam has eliminated the need for two radios. As for iPod listening, a couple of months ago, BBC announced that they were offering a complete daily radio show in MP3 format. All the listener has to do is go to the website, download the file, load it into an iPod or similar player and have it ready for listening the next day. Initially, the program is to be free, but I think the "Beeb" wants to eventually make it available on a subscription basis. Of course, at the rate iPod devices are advancing those steps will change and probably simplify. But I firmly believe that the future for radio is the internet and, apparently, many terrestrial radio broadcasters believe that as well. db From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Dec 31 10:51:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4992 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 18:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 18:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 18:51:34 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.26]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:51:33 -0700 Message-ID: <007b01c4ef69$c96bb460$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:51:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2004 18:51:33.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFB17860:01C4EF69] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 80's Delco AM ST X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude There's a guy that advertises repair of Ford car radios on ebay from time to time- I inquired about him fixing a Chrysler Infinity radio for me and he quoted a figure of $95. Not sure how good his work is, but I'm tempted to have mine fixed too. Got one for $30 with EB but there's no audio at the speakers and the FM doesn't tune. The AM, including the stereo part, works fabulously tapping it off the volume control. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "wnjo960" To: Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:52 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: 80's Delco AM ST > > > Boy do I feel stupid - I hooked up two speakers to it, and it works > great! But now I have a different problem - the Infinity radio's > right speakers dont work, front or back. Now, theres two things I > can do - 1, fix the Infinity or 2, transplant the C-QUAM components > (if possible) to the 94 AM/FM that has expanded band coverage (DX'ed > WRLL last night just in time for the ID). Any advice? > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Dec 31 10:56:48 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 31 14:19:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21506 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 22:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 22:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52409.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.117) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 22:19:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 85382 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2004 22:19:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=kcXU1wqs00ewKeGsHg/UYzEU9T9dGkvkEYkwQzJ6v7tyUpDGZuoQbHqalRGbMIbkfRYwGhiEzdchwfKvjSwTNZWb8A7mh3ykd1MLF94IS05cJQbLGMYtzgYA75RciCWvEboRTGBPcprAU93pTTylE4zfnr+oWBI4dUm30LVAdtU= ; Message-ID: <20041231221933.85380.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.94] by web52409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:19:33 PST Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:19:33 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.117 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > Stupid people should not own broadcasting companies. > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I've known some of those ( stupid people ).... Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 31 14:35:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96879 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 22:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 22:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 22:35:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 22:35:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 22:35:32 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6426 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 10:22:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 10:22:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 10:22:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 10:22:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 10:22:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 10:22:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1692 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.156 Subject: Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 31 Dec 2004 22:35:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > As so many have pointed out, there lately has been a flood of > > wideband (VERY!) AM radios, and when MTS came out, believe me, it > > sounded WORSE than mono TV audio. (It was supposed to fall off at > > 12.5kHz, but the first receivers were more like 6-8kHz.) > > TV station can and do transmit full 15 kHz audio, just like FM; the > only difference is that a sharp "brick-wall" at 15 kHz is necessary, > in order to protect the 15.7 kHz pilot tone. I have a Radio Shack > MTS TV Stereo audio-only tuner from 1985, and it sounds better than > any FM I've heard, due to the much less aggressive audio processing > that TV stations use. This may also be due to the need not to overprocess or the dbx circuit will do weird things. > What you may be thinking of, though, was the non-"hi-fi" VHS Stereo > videotape format, which was a cheap way of providing stereo audio > from VHS and only offered the same low-fidelity sound as VHS mono > (no better than 6 to 8 kHz response, just as you mentioned). Most > commercially-released VHS tapes still have the linear audio track in > VHS Stereo, but if you have a modern Hi-Fi VCR, you'll have no reason > to ever listen to the lo-fi linear audio. In fact, when recording in > audio-only mode, my VCR doesn't even produce a linear audio track -- > it only records the Hi-Fi stereo audio track. No, I assure you, this was listening off-the-air with a Hi-Fi deck as tuner, not even from a tape. Most Hi-Fi decks, as far as my experience goes, had mono linear audio. Today, they're much better at this, so it sounds fine. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 31 14:36:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 34634 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 22:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 22:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 22:36:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 22:36:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 22:36:35 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68965 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 21:05:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2004 21:05:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 21:05:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 21:05:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2004 21:05:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 21:05:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2078 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.156 Subject: Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 31 Dec 2004 22:36:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" wrote: > It might also be a case of negative perceptions of AM stereo in addition to the lack of a > clear AMS standard, initially. Most people simply didn't know about it, or was indifferent. No negativity involved, really. And as noted, most of the industry embraced C-QUAM fairly early, although there was some confusion with the Kahn and Harris stations. Worse still, I kept hearing "My radio is stereo, shouldn't I be able to receing AM stereo, then?" Personally speaking, alot of the AMS hassles would have been eliminated had the initial assessments been conducted by an independent and impartial body for review. Instead, the FCC had each of the proponants offer their own figures and their own equipment for evaluation, rather than being uniformly built. Because of this, some measured worse than they should've been. Had the proponants agreed to a uniform set of standards for determining their systems in the first place, things would have looked- and sounded- very different. Instead each proponant accused the others of impropriety, and the FCC had to do their evaluations two more times, then gave up with the infamous "let the market decide" approach. The market did, rather quickly- C-QUAM- but the FCC wasn't as quick, taking until the early '90s to make their decision. By then, nearly all radios were C-QUAM-only, and most of the broadcasters were, too. It became the standard by default. So why wasn't it embraced more? One word: KAHN. He sued receiver manufacturers. He sued transmitter manufacturers. He sued anybody he could blame. In short, he made AM stereo too expensive and too much of a hardship on the industry to embrace it more fully. The irony, is he did much the same in the original '59-'60 AMS evaluations. Had he participated fairly and equally with everyone THEN, we would now be talking about the 5th decade of AM stereophonic service in America and the world. Instead, we have THIS. We could've had it done right. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 31 18:01:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95870 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 02:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2005 02:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 02:01:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2005 02:01:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2005 02:01:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 02:01:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007701c4ef69$60a13a40$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 935 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.137 Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I've backed off the processing at my stations slightly, but since > they're all talk of one form or another going against some 50kW > talk stations, I can't back off as much as I'd like since my > stations are 5kW or less. Creative use of additional pre-processing in line with the microphones can allow voice audio to come through with extra "oomph", while allowing other program material to have a more relaxed sound. Also, some AM processors like the Optimod 9100 offer an Auxiliary Input, which bypasses all of the processing except for the final clipping and NRSC filtering. This allows you to use a completely separate processing chain for voice audio, while using the main processor's full capabilities for music and other program material. Normally, audio processing is a compromise between what's best for voice audio and what's best for music, but with that kind of setup, you can have the best of both worlds. From dav259@csiro.au Fri Dec 31 20:07:21 2004 X-Deleted-Message: yes From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Fri Dec 31 21:58:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24383 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 05:58:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2005 05:58:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 05:58:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2005 05:58:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2005 05:58:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 05:58:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1013 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions >Also, some AM processors like the Optimod 9100 offer an Auxiliary >Input, which bypasses all of the processing except for the final >clipping and NRSC filtering. This allows you to use a completely >separate processing chain for voice audio, while using the main >processor's full capabilities for music and other program material. >Normally, audio processing is a compromise between what's best for >v>oice audio and what's best for music, but with that kind of setup, >you can have the best of both worlds. Has anybody ever heard of any radio station that uses that feature in the Optimods? I've read it in the manuals and have a basic understanding of how you would do it but I have never seen it done. I know that you can also use this feature to rout your EAS audio straight into the transmitter so the data and tones will be broadcast at 100% modulation instead of the 77% that an Optimod usually pulls a pure tone down to. Never saw anybody do that trick, either! Happy New Year All! JC From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Dec 31 22:12:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64089 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 06:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2005 06:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 06:12:42 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.161]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:12:40 -0700 Message-ID: <001f01c4efc8$f0cbc400$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:12:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2005 06:12:41.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[E69441B0:01C4EFC8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: iPod invasion- was IBOC vs. C-QUAM... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Is my assessment correct that you need something better than dial-up to really take advantage of an iPod? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "dbdigital2004" > As for iPod listening, a couple of months ago, BBC announced that they were offering a > complete daily radio show in MP3 format. All the listener has to do is go to the website, > download the file, load it into an iPod or similar player and have it ready for listening the > next day. Initially, the program is to be free, but I think the "Beeb" wants to eventually > make it available on a subscription basis. From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Jan 01 00:25:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5647 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 08:25:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2005 08:25:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.241.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 08:25:21 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050101082521.XIDD8778.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 03:25:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <001f01c4efc8$f0cbc400$d503fea9@home1> References: <001f01c4efc8$f0cbc400$d503fea9@home1> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:25:20 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.36 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} iPod invasion- was IBOC vs. C-QUAM... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It certainly would help as far as downloads from the internet go=20 (iTunes from Apple download in less than 30 seconds or so for a typical=20 pop song using my cable modem). But you don't need the internet at all,=20 if you use your own CDs for the source music. Richard Wagoner On Dec 31, 2004, at 10:12 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > Is my assessment correct that you need something better than dial-up to > really take advantage of an iPod? > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dbdigital2004" > > > As for iPod listening, a couple of months ago, BBC announced that=20 > they > were offering a > > complete daily radio show in MP3 format.=A0 All the listener has to=20 > do is go > to the website, > > download the file, load it into an iPod or similar player and have=20 > it > ready for listening the > > next day.=A0 Initially, the program is to be free, but I think the=20 > "Beeb" > wants to eventually > > make it available on a subscription basis. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <122603_LREC_bkup_BR_Ashanti.jpg> > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Jan 01 08:51:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19456 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 16:51:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2005 16:51:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 16:51:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2005 16:51:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2005 16:51:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:51:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 51 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 217.51.146.56 Subject: Video of Magic 693 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan http://www.m1ctk.v21hosting.co.uk/magic693.htm From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sat Jan 01 12:09:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11120 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 20:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2005 20:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 20:09:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2005 20:09:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2005 20:09:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:09:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1508 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "dbdigital2004" X-Originating-IP: 69.3.208.110 Subject: Re: {AMSF} iPod invasion- was IBOC vs. C-QUAM... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > It certainly would help as far as downloads from the internet go=20 > (iTunes from Apple download in less than 30 seconds or so for a typical=20 > pop song using my cable modem). But you don't need the internet at all,=20 > if you use your own CDs for the source music. >=20 > Richard Wagoner >=20 > On Dec 31, 2004, at 10:12 PM, Scott Todd wrote: >=20 > > Is my assessment correct that you need something better than dial-up to > > really take advantage of an iPod? > > > > Scott Todd > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "dbdigital2004" > > > > > As for iPod listening, a couple of months ago, BBC announced that=20 > > they > > were offering a > > > complete daily radio show in MP3 format.=A0 All the listener has to=20 > > do is go > > to the website, > > > download the file, load it into an iPod or similar player and have=20 > > it > > ready for listening the > > > next day.=A0 Initially, the program is to be free, but I think the=20 > > "Beeb" > > wants to eventually > > > make it available on a subscription basis. As a follow up to what I said earlier about the BBC, here is the link to that show: http:// www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/mp3.shtml If you have an iPod and a Mac, here is a free utility that will automatically download shows=20 or any media files and move them into iTunes for loading into an iPod. http://ipodderx.com/ Supposedly, a Windows version is in the works. db From bradleyj2@aol.com Sat Jan 01 13:14:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10351 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 21:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2005 21:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 21:14:38 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id r.62.4b81651d (25305); Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:14:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <62.4b81651d.2f086cbb@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:14:35 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jimbo@burgan.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10718 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.36 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I LOVE STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/29/04 9:02:09 PM Central Standard Time, jimbo@burgan.net writes: > > > Is Todd still at WTTS? > I haven't heard form him for a long time. > > Yes...Todd is doing mornings at WTTS...And was music director but recently turned that title in for promotions director. I talked to him Christmas Eve...Had to call and harass him...All of the Christmas music they were playing was mono...Someone put their AudioVault into analog L/L input...oops! > We had 25" at my house. > I wish you guys would have stopped in at the "Q". > I tuned in to WRZQ...Wondered if you were working or not. Mike Rabey & I installed a new Omina 6EX digital processor (replacing the > > Optimod 8100E) on WRZQ. > Keith was driving through Atlanta, heard WSTR in Atlanta and really liked > the sound. He called the CE and asked him what type of processing they had. > > He had the CE fax me the settings (which were somewhat bizarre) and ordered > the processor. We moved the processor from the RF room upstairs to the > Newbern transmitter site and took the Texar Prisms out of service. > The airchain for WRZQ is now digital from the studio console to the exciter > in Newbern and we have a new Wheatstone digital console on the way. We can > > no longer monitor the air-signal because of the delay. Speaking of that.. > one of the engineers at WFMS/WGLD did a study to see how much delay it takes > > to go from moderately annoying (sounding like a slight echo) to so bad it > wrecks the talent's concentration and makes it almost impossible to > broadcast. > I don't know what the final numbers were but WRZQ exceed it. Keith told me > he hoped to be broadcasting in IBOC by the middle of summer (doubtful). > The one problem I have with all of the Omnia processors is...If you hit them too hard (Level meters in red) the bass almost completely goes away. I noticed this on the Omnia 6 at WTTS and |WGLD, and on the 6HOT at WGRL. At Susquehanna we couldn't monitor "air" either...we had fake air...using a dbx 166...It served it's purpose but you couldn't tell exactly what was going on on the air. The digital board, Omnia, digital STL all made for way too much delay. I think it was 0.4 seconds of delay before it drove the jocks crazy??? > Did you notice if 93.7 (WQKC) had relocated to Louisville? Do any of your > buddies at Susquehanna Indianapolis know what they will do with WZZB? > I still say WZZB is the best sounding AM Stereo in Indiana. I love to > listen... They as good as most FM's around here. Bob Hawkins put that > airchain together and I am grateful to have it 20 miles from my front door. > WQKC is still giving the legal ID as Seymour, Columbus, Bloomington. Very weak signal though...From what I heard back at Susquehanna...The GM is going to buy WZZB AM along with their AM Classic country (mono) in New Albany. No word if Susquehanna will keep WQKC as their first Louisville, KY property or sell it. By the way...WZZB seemed to be having some problems...The audio was *very* heavy in the right, and down almost 10db in the left. Not sure if it was on WZZB's side or Jone's side. Happy New Year from the Wiregrass! - Brad Jackson - WKMX-FM Dothan, AL - http://www.wkmx.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sat Jan 01 16:31:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46808 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 00:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 00:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.18) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 00:31:44 -0000 Received: from user-4184.l5.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk ([84.64.16.88] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cktep-0002CL-NI for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 00:31:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 00:31:39 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.18 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: Part-15! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Can someone explain to me how this station states they run under Part-15 rules and in the same paragraph they quote running several transmitters with powers from 500mW up to 30w. What's the deal, or have the fed's relaxed the rules/ http://www.wbdhradio.com/index.html -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sat Jan 01 16:36:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46357 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 00:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 00:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.182) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 00:36:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:36:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 69.34.165.133 by BAY22-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 00:35:28 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 19:35:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2005 00:36:00.0466 (UTC) FILETIME=[08493320:01C4F063] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.182 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [69.34.165.133] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part-15! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd He has a hotel or something and covers his own property only. He obides by the f/s rules so many feet from his property line. in other words he is running on campus station rules. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis (kc8gpd) Universal Life Ministries [ULC] http://www.freecycle.org http://www.part15.us I am always looking for Radio Equipment, Amateur(ham), CB, Commercial LMR (Two Way), Police Scanners and Computer equipment, Pentium to PIII Laptops and PII/III Desktops.(working or non-working) Please Contact By hitting reply if you have any of these items Thank you. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jan 01 17:46:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81074 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 01:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 01:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 01:46:20 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.23.3]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 1 Jan 2005 18:46:18 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c4f06c$e6b3e520$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 19:46:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2005 01:46:19.0678 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB21DBE0:01C4F06C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} iPod invasion- was IBOC vs. C-QUAM... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Don't have Mac; and if I were to put the kaibosh on Windows, I'd be going with the latest SUSe version of Linux. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "dbdigital2004" If you have an iPod and a Mac, here is a free utility that will automatically download shows or any media files and move them into iTunes for loading into an iPod. http://ipodderx.com/ Supposedly, a Windows version is in the works. From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Jan 01 18:19:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4450 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 02:19:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 02:19:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.241.30) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 02:19:19 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050102021918.ESM2638.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 21:19:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <001101c4f06c$e6b3e520$d503fea9@home1> References: <001101c4f06c$e6b3e520$d503fea9@home1> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 18:19:17 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.30 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} iPod invasion- was IBOC vs. C-QUAM... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Poor soul. On Jan 1, 2005, at 5:46 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > Don't have Mac; and if I were to put the kaibosh on Windows, I'd be > going > with the latest SUSe version of Linux. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 01 19:35:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11114 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 03:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 03:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 03:35:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 03:35:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 03:35:06 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68569 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 02:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 02:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 02:21:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 02:21:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 02:21:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 02:21:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c4f06c$e6b3e520$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 268 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.160 Subject: Re: {AMSF} iPod invasion- was IBOC vs. C-QUAM... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 02 Jan 2005 03:35:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Don't have Mac; and if I were to put the kaibosh on Windows, I'd be going > with the latest SUSe version of Linux. For whatever it'sd worth, Mac OS X is at its core, BSD Unix. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 01 20:00:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71158 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 04:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 04:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 04:00:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 04:00:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 04:00:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 03:59:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 381 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.137 Subject: Re: Video of Magic 693 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > http://www.m1ctk.v21hosting.co.uk/magic693.htm Your camera's microphones didn't pick up much stereo separation, but it sounds like Magic 693 has nice crisp audio, and I give them credit for using Herb Alpert's "Tijuana Taxi" as the music bed for their traffic reports. BTW, what model of stereo system is that underneath the Sony? I like the styling and the small size. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 01 21:58:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1158 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 05:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 05:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 05:58:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 05:58:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 05:58:39 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14308 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 04:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 04:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 04:55:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 04:55:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 04:55:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 04:55:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 297 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.160 Subject: Re: Video of Magic 693 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 02 Jan 2005 05:58:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > BTW, what model of stereo system is that underneath the Sony? I like > the styling and the small size. Looks like a Panasonic bookshelf CD radio system, with the accompanying speakers set apart. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From petersdad2001@yahoo.com Sun Jan 02 00:20:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: petersdad2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12322 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 08:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 08:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 08:20:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 08:20:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 08:20:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 08:20:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4DEFE970-5AE0-11D9-8CB9-000D9356B656@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 773 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Alan Oda" X-Originating-IP: 4.35.113.146 Subject: Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=79442875 X-Yahoo-Profile: petersdad2001 Richard writes a great newspaper column here in Southern California, particularly since the L.A. Times tends to ignore most of what happens on local radio. If Richard's listening to his iPod and Sirius, that's REALLY significant! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > The sad thing is, the research proves this to be true, and none of the > majors are doing anything about it. While few young people -- THE > future of radio -- even turn on traditional radio, the major corporate > owners go on like nothing has changed with lousy programming > complemented by cluttered production and presentation. > > I just got Sirius; my iPod was my main source of music in the car > before, and I write about radio! Sad. > > Richard From petersdad2001@yahoo.com Sun Jan 02 00:27:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: petersdad2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40961 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 08:27:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 08:27:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 08:27:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 08:26:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 08:26:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 08:26:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1257 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Alan Oda" X-Originating-IP: 4.35.113.146 Subject: Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=79442875 X-Yahoo-Profile: petersdad2001 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > What gets me is that IBOC is being allowed to do the same thing > Harris did, and Harris got sacked for it- running an AM stereo system > that caused excessive RFI to adjacents because of harmonics in the > quadrature scheme- Stuff that Harris fudged the books on when > bringing it to the FCC, and thus forcing the conversion to C-QUAM or > abandoning altogether. (Only a few Harris stations continued using > the Harris AMS system into the '90s.) Funny you mentioned Harris -- a good friend of mine who's a radio engineer thought that Harris was the best of the four systems way back when -- I assume, of course, that he wasn't aware of the problems with this system. Here in L.A., only KDAY (then a soul station) was using Harris. KABC (talk), KHJ (the legendary top 40 station), and KRLA (oldies) were using Kahn, everyone else was using C-QUAM. Add comment, I still remember powerhouse KFI sponsoring a mobile listening post to introduce listeners to AM stereo -- and yet it seemed the first thing that AMFM (the precursor to Clear Channel) did when they took over ownership of the station was to mandate the demise of AM stereo on all of their stations. Sad. From dav259@csiro.au Sun Jan 02 00:42:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20072 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 08:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 08:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au) (150.229.64.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 08:42:06 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (138.194.10.10) by vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au with ESMTP; 02 Jan 2005 19:42:00 +1100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.88,96,1102251600"; d="scan'208"; a="19344012:sNHT20034096" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j028fwmi018045; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 19:41:59 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 19:41:58 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 150.229.64.39 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Video of Magic 693 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 2 Jan 2005, Kevin T. wrote: > Your camera's microphones didn't pick up much stereo separation, but > it sounds like Magic 693 has nice crisp audio, and I give them credit > for using Herb Alpert's "Tijuana Taxi" as the music bed for their > traffic reports. Of course, Dave, I can't get this to work at home. (Why are you not surprised?!) But it will be something to look forward to when I return to work on Tuesday. Yes, Kev - Magic has only recently expanded their traffic reports from weekday primetime to seven days. The recent use of "Tijuana Taxi" is perfect. It's what AM stereo is all about! Ian From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Jan 02 00:45:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8769 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 08:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 08:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 08:45:45 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050102084544.ODIJ7026.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 03:45:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 00:45:43 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.29 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think KFI was much more into sound, engineering and presence back=20 then as well. Remember how proud they were that you could hear them in=20 all of Western America? That you could take them everywhere you drive?=20 Now they hardly mention anything outside of LA. Richard On Jan 2, 2005, at 12:26 AM, Alan Oda wrote: > Add comment, I still remember powerhouse KFI sponsoring a mobile > listening post to introduce listeners to AM stereo -- and yet it > seemed the first thing that AMFM (the precursor to Clear Channel) did > when they took over ownership of the station was to mandate the demise > of AM stereo on all of their stations.=A0 Sad. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 02 02:16:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 77891 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 10:16:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 10:16:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 10:16:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 10:15:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 10:15:48 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36994 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 08:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 08:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 08:48:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 08:48:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 08:48:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 08:48:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1353 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.160 Subject: Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 02 Jan 2005 10:15:24 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Oda" wrote: > Funny you mentioned Harris -- a good friend of mine who's a radio > engineer thought that Harris was the best of the four systems way back > when -- I assume, of course, that he wasn't aware of the problems with > this system. Here in L.A., only KDAY (then a soul station) was using > Harris. KABC (talk), KHJ (the legendary top 40 station), and KRLA > (oldies) were using Kahn, everyone else was using C-QUAM. KFI was initially Harris. In fact, it was one of the first Harris stations ever, going stereo by 1978-1979 and stayed Harris until the FCC's mandate on Harris in early 1984, when they converted over to C- QUAM. The last true Harris AMS station I'm aware of was KOMO 1000 in Seattle, the last of which I heard in late '91 or early '92. > Add comment, I still remember powerhouse KFI sponsoring a mobile > listening post to introduce listeners to AM stereo -- and yet it > seemed the first thing that AMFM (the precursor to Clear Channel) did > when they took over ownership of the station was to mandate the demise > of AM stereo on all of their stations. Sad. Not only the roving demos but frequent contests for free SRF-A100s and SRF-A1s over the air, including postcard draws. (I was an entrant. Never won. My usual luck.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 02 02:19:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25625 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 10:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 10:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 10:19:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 10:19:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 10:19:21 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70835 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 09:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 09:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 09:37:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 09:37:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 09:37:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 09:37:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 255 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.160 Subject: Radio memories X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 02 Jan 2005 10:19:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 And yes, I really did start early with my love of radio (courtesy of a friend): http://dmf.facthost.com/amy/ds-babyamyradio.jpg And I still do: http://dmf.facthost.com/amy/ds-radiodazes.jpg (Thanks to a friend for the space. =hugs=) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 02 02:19:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51084 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 10:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 10:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 10:19:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 10:19:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 10:19:10 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84233 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 09:15:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 09:15:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 09:15:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 09:14:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 09:14:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 09:14:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1690 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.160 Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs. C-QUAM: THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 02 Jan 2005 10:19:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I think KFI was much more into sound, engineering and presence back > then as well. Remember how proud they were that you could hear them in > all of Western America? That you could take them everywhere you drive? > Now they hardly mention anything outside of LA. There are a few recordings of KFI on the amstereo.audio-stream site (when the admin doesn't forget to turn the server back on) that are all DX catches from here- And yes, they were VERY proud of being heard throughout the entire western US and northern Mexico, all the way to the Rockies. I spent about a decade of my life listening to KFI as a Top 40 station, until the started phasing out the music and phasing in talk radio rather gradually over 2-3 years. When there was no more music to be had at night, that was it. I didn't mind Dr. Ruth all that much- She was fun, then- but when talk started taking over, that was the end of a really good thing. It's just sad that my dream of picking KFI up in the middle of the day, in stereo, from here in the northwestern end of the state, would prove to be one of their last days in stereo before going mono 4 years ago yesterday. I was just a little mouseling when I first listened to KFI at night in August 1979, and was hooked until talk took over. I miss those days terribly- KFI got me into AM stereo, because I wanted to hear my favorite station in stereo- even as nighttime DX only- that I would get my first AM stereo radio in 1985. I have been devoted to AM stereo ever since. And I have never given up, nor never surrendered...and I never will. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Jan 02 11:59:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73262 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 19:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 19:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 19:59:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 19:59:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 19:59:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 19:59:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 651 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 217.51.146.56 Subject: Re: Video of Magic 693 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > http://www.m1ctk.v21hosting.co.uk/magic693.htm > > Your camera's microphones didn't pick up much stereo separation, but > it sounds like Magic 693 has nice crisp audio, and I give them credit > for using Herb Alpert's "Tijuana Taxi" as the music bed for their > traffic reports. > > BTW, what model of stereo system is that underneath the Sony? I like > the styling and the small size. It's a Panasonic lent by the friend I was staying with. It really suited the Sony well (audio wise) I've a few hours of Magic and 2CA / 2CC I can upload btw sometime... From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Jan 02 12:07:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61611 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 20:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 20:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 20:07:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 20:07:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2005 20:07:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 20:07:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 624 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 217.51.146.56 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Video of Magic 693 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Sun, 2 Jan 2005, Kevin T. wrote: > > > Your camera's microphones didn't pick up much stereo separation, but > > it sounds like Magic 693 has nice crisp audio, and I give them credit > > for using Herb Alpert's "Tijuana Taxi" as the music bed for their > > traffic reports. > > > > Of course, Dave, I can't get this to work at home. (Why are you not > surprised?!) But it will be something to look forward to when I return to > work on Tuesday. > Ok Ian not sure it will be any good for 56k anyway as it's encoded for WMV 256k From baansy@yahoo.com Sun Jan 02 20:13:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16805 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 04:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2005 04:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 04:13:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2005 04:12:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2005 04:12:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 04:12:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 763 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "baansy" X-Originating-IP: 202.6.138.34 Subject: "SPIRIT OF TASMANIA" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy I've just got back from my holiday in Tasmania. The only thing that was dissapointing is no AM STEREO stations. I flew over to Melbourne on christmas eve from Adelaide and then went on the Spirit of Tasmania to Devonport. I arrived at Port Melbourne about 2 hours too early so I had plenty of time to listen to magic 693 with my sony SRF-AX51V. I can't get this station in Adelaide as it fights with 5SY which is on the same frequency. When I was in Tasmania I found that at night time 2CA Canberra was nearly as strong as a local station just about everywhere in Tasmania. A few stations in Tasmainia that was on AM is now on FM like 7HT and 7HO. The staions 7BU, 7LA, 7AD and 7SD are still on AM in mono. 7EX in Launceston is now a sport station. From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Sun Jan 02 21:45:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49615 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 05:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2005 05:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.175.75) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 05:45:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:45:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.0.17.189 by BAY104-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 05:44:43 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [badeditproductions@hotmail.com] X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:44:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2005 05:45:00.0834 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D9E9820:01C4F157] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.175.75 From: "Joe Collins" X-Originating-IP: [68.0.17.189] Subject: RADIO: IT'S STILL MAGIC. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, This is not necessarily about AM Stereo but I thought I'd share it anyway... It's part of a larger piece I am working on. :) JC -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My wife went out with a friend on New Year's Eve and I found myself faced with an afternoon that I would have to get through all by myself. I wasn't complaining. I decided to take some time and do something a rarely ever do: sit down and listen to the radio. Even though I occupy myself with talking about, writing about and producing audio for radio, I rarely ever listen anymore The plan was to start at the bottom of the FM band and work up. I figured I'd just listen to what everyone in my market was doing on New Year's Eve afternoon and pop in a CD when I got done. When I got to 90.3, which is our local all-classical NPR station, and I was caught by the wonderful Strauss waltz that was playing. I ended up listening to the whole piece and when it finished I was pleasantly surprised to hear a very familiar voice. It was none other than Dr. Raymond Jones. Raymond is probably the foremost expert on Classical music in Hampton Roads and has been playing it on the radio around here for more than 30 years. He is also a person who had a profound influence on me as he was in charge at the high school station where I was introduced to both the art of broadcasting and the music of the master composers almost 20 years ago. Although Raymond is usually heard via computer automaton, this day he was doing it live. Needless to say, I didn't get any further up the band and listened for the rest of the afternoon. How wonderful it was to be listening to a live radio show where the announcer wasn't talking at me but speaking to me. How wonderful it was to listen to a station that actually sounded good without a processor set on 'cranked.' The audio was superb, the presentation was perfect and the music was well programmed. Oh, how nice it was to listen to my old friends, Dr. Raymond Jones and the radio. Listening to that great show made me a little sad, though. It brought back bittersweet memories of being a kid who wanted to be a part of broadcasting more than anything else. It made me think of the teachers and industry pros who took the time to show me how to do it right. It reminded me that although most personalities now refer to their time on the air as a shift, it once was called a show. It reminded me of all of the wonderfully talented people I have had the honor to meet while working in radio. So many have left because they could no longer compromise their professional standards by working for stations run by those who didn't understand what really makes radio work. That is the saddest part of all. Still, I feel blessed to have crossed paths with many of them I know that there are many who have come to the industry in recent years that would argue vigorously how radio is just a business like a bank or a fast food restaurant and you mustn't allow such notions of radio-as-art to dictate what you should expect from the medium. From a cold, logical point of view, they are probably right. However, it has been my experience that logic has very little to do with why most of us came to radio in the first place. When you hear something that is truly magic, something real and live and happening right before your own ears, all the logic goes away and you find yourself feeling that same sense of wonder at the simple magic of one person talking to many but seeming to only talk to you. It is reassuring to know that when all of the forces in the cosmos are in harmony and the accountants and businessmen not around that, something magic can still come from that little box, the radio. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Mon Jan 03 14:45:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55031 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 22:45:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2005 22:45:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.196) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 22:45:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:45:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 69.34.165.133 by BAY22-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 22:44:10 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:44:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2005 22:45:03.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD640160:01C4F1E5] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.196 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [69.34.165.133] Subject: WANTED: AMS CQuAM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Anybody have a AMS CQuAM Exciter Lying Around they want to part with? 1st Gen, 2nd Gen Exciter? ASE-1, ASE-2, (/\/\) 1300, 1400, BE AX10? I have a Beautifal AMS Chain A CRL SPP-800 to> Texar Audio Prism's to> SEP-800 to> SMP-900 I need a AMS Exciter to complete. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis (kc8gpd) Universal Life Ministries [ULC] http://www.freecycle.org http://www.part15.us. From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Mon Jan 03 14:51:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71139 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 22:51:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2005 22:51:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au) (150.229.7.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 22:51:40 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au (138.194.3.56) by act-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au with SMTP; 04 Jan 2005 09:51:39 +1100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.88,97,1102251600"; d="scan'208"; a="24067970:sNHT20235712" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:51:39 +1100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:51:38 +1100 Message-ID: <301F0FCB8B8F3542B0F6C31E1EA5F8680F62A6@exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Video of Magic 693 Thread-Index: AcTwIh2TJbd1Cdf0Siicx2m0dUBaAwBxElSw To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2005 22:51:39.0208 (UTC) FILETIME=[C91C8C80:01C4F1E6] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 150.229.7.39 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Video of Magic 693 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933 -----Original Message----- From: UK Dave [mailto:amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk] http://www.m1ctk.v21hosting.co.uk/magic693.htm Good one Dave! I've sent the link to Magic's PD. I love the way you've added 'AM stereo' to their logo! Ian From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 03 15:15:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 72167 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 23:15:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2005 23:15:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 23:15:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2005 23:15:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2005 23:15:30 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89670 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 07:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2005 07:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 07:28:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2005 07:28:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2005 07:28:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 07:28:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 545 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.60 Subject: Re: RADIO: IT'S STILL MAGIC. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 03 Jan 2005 23:15:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" wrote: =snip= "Radio as art"? Maybe. It is an art to do radio right...and it takes many hands (and paws) to do it right. No, I would say "radio as community". You can truly tell when a station is part of the community, and when it is not. And when it all comes together, radio can be the greatest, most magical experience (outside of finding a Special Someone) that you will ever enjoy. Too bad so many don't understand that kind of magic. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Jan 03 16:31:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4337 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 00:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 00:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 00:31:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:31:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 00:30:57 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:30:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2005 00:31:00.0820 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA825940:01C4F1F4] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.84 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part-15! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Can someone explain to me how this station states they run under Part-15 rules and in the same paragraph they quote running several transmitters with powers from 500mW up to 30w. They are using a Carrier Current antenna. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 04 22:11:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4221 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 06:11:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 06:11:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 06:11:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 06:11:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 06:11:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 06:10:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 225 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.136 Subject: C-Quam AM Stereo exciter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This unit has been listed numerous times recently, with starting bids as high as $1500... finally, though, it's now back with a more reasonable starting bid: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3773461095 From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 04 22:48:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 91941 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 06:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 06:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 06:48:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 06:48:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 06:48:14 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18180 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 06:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 06:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 06:22:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 06:22:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 06:22:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 06:22:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 277 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.189 Subject: Ford Gets Sirius X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Jan 2005 06:48:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 This may be open to interpretation, but it looks like Ford is going ahead and offedring factory-installed Sirius satellite receivers in at least a million vehicles starting this summer. What this means for IBOC remains to be seen. http://tinyurl.com/6sexy Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Jan 04 23:00:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57942 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 07:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 07:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.241.34) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 07:00:18 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050105070013.ELGF16028.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 02:00:13 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <723050BE-5EE7-11D9-859C-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:00:13 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.34 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford Gets Sirius X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sirius convinced Ford (and others) to more aggressively sell=20 Sirius-ready radios. I understand that some companies are even giving a one-year=20 subscription to XM or Sirius with the purchase or lease of a car. As to what it means for IBOC, perhaps nothing. But even on the XM or=20 Sirius forums, you find that most people DID NOT subscribe for sound=20 quality, the subscribed for CONTENT and PROGRAMMING!!!!! THere are, in=20 fact, complaints on both forums about sound quality. So if stations, especially FM stations, are pinning their hopes on IBOC=20 "saving" them, they are looking in the wrong place. They need to look=20 in the mirror, and see what they can do to improve their programming so=20 people will stop finding alternatives. Both AM and FM stations should=20 spend less on technology and more on people -- personalities and=20 promotions -- and they would be far better off. By the way, what is everyone's opinion on the Blaunpunkt Digicever=20 tuners? I have a Casablanca MP54 on order so I can more easily hear=20 Sirius and my iPod. I am also hoping that AM and FM performance, as=20 well as overall sound, is better than my stock Delco in my '99=20 Silverado (which has one of the worst sounding AM sections I have ever=20 heard). Richard On Jan 4, 2005, at 10:22 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > > > This may be open to interpretation, but it looks like Ford is going > ahead and offedring factory-installed Sirius satellite receivers in > at least a million vehicles starting this summer. > > What this means for IBOC remains to be seen. > > http://tinyurl.com/6sexy > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <122603_LREC_bkup_BR_Ashanti.jpg> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 04 23:12:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35420 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 07:12:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 07:12:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 07:12:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 07:11:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 07:11:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:11:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 860 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.136 Subject: OT: early Beatles stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Does anyone have the Beatles song "Do You Want to Know a Secret?" in wide two-track stereo? I only have it on CD in mono, but on WinMX I was able to find a so-called "New Stereo Mix" version of the song. It is in true stereo, but the lead vocals are in the center of the stereo image, and that is not how I would expect the original two-track stereo version to sound. BTW, the original U.K. stereo version of "I Want to Hold Your Hand" was in widely-separated stereo, but it was re-released in 1966 with the lead vocals in the center, and that is the only version I've ever been able to find. However, even conventional-sounding stereo is better than the original U.S. version, which was simulated stereo with a heavy flange effect, because Capitol had not been given a true stereo version of the song in time for it to be put on the U.S. album. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 05 01:26:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64902 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 09:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 09:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 09:26:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 09:26:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 09:26:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:26:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <723050BE-5EE7-11D9-859C-000D9356B656@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1279 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.136 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford Gets Sirius X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I understand that some companies are even giving a one-year > subscription to XM or Sirius with the purchase or lease of a car. Sirius is selling "lifetime" subscriptions for $500. However, that applies for the lifetime of the _radio_, not the _subscriber_. > As to what it means for IBOC, perhaps nothing. But even on the XM > or Sirius forums, you find that most people DID NOT subscribe for > sound quality, the subscribed for CONTENT and PROGRAMMING!!!!! > THere are, in fact, complaints on both forums about sound quality. XM uses the same codec as IBOC, and after listening to it in a coworker's car, I literally got a headache from all the "screechy" treble artifacts. I would only consider it tolerable with the treble control turned all the way down, which masks most of the artifacts. Sirius sounds somewhat more like a RealAudio 8 web stream. It doesn't have XM's annoying treble artifacts, but there is a general lack of clarity to the audio, making it sound a bit "congested". Sirius also uses more aggressive audio processing than XM, so it's not quite as suitable as background music, due to listener fatigue. (However, on some channels XM has ineffective AGC, causing a large difference in volume between songs which can be annoying as well.) From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Jan 05 01:29:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4351 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 09:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 09:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 09:29:01 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050105092853.LVFY7026.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 04:28:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <37F4C974-5EFC-11D9-A4B2-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:28:54 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.29 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford Gets Sirius X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought that was Sirius. On Jan 5, 2005, at 1:26 AM, Kevin T. wrote: > XM uses the same codec as IBOC, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Jan 05 06:26:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66480 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 14:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 14:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 14:26:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 14:25:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 14:25:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:25:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <723050BE-5EE7-11D9-859C-000D9356B656@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 409 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.29 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford Gets Sirius X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > But even on the XM or > Sirius forums, you find that most people DID NOT subscribe for sound > quality, the subscribed for CONTENT and PROGRAMMING!!!!! THere are, in > fact, complaints on both forums about sound quality. You have just hit the mail on the head. Incidentally - the decision of Sirius to hire that reprobate Howard Stern made my decision for me: I will go with XM to boycott Sirius. From tomray@wor710.com Wed Jan 05 09:24:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9834 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 17:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 17:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 17:24:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 17:24:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 17:24:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:24:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 582 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: OT: early Beatles stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Does anyone have the Beatles song "Do You Want to Know a Secret?" in > wide two-track stereo? I only have it on CD in mono, but on WinMX I > was able to find a so-called "New Stereo Mix" version of the song. > It is in true stereo, but the lead vocals are in the center of the > stereo image, and that is not how I would expect the original > two-track stereo version to sound. > That's very interesting, considering the early Beatles songs are known for having the vocals off to one side. TR From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Jan 05 09:36:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59785 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 17:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 17:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 17:36:51 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050105173649.VYJR7026.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:36:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <60EC9492-5F40-11D9-A77B-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:36:49 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.29 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford Gets Sirius X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stern, in spite of being extremely boring to me, is one reason I went=20 with Sirius (or my wife got it for me). She likes Stern. My problem: Walter Sabo is a consultant. On Jan 5, 2005, at 6:25 AM, Bruce Carter wrote: > > > But even on the XM or > > Sirius forums, you find that most people DID NOT subscribe for > sound > > quality, the subscribed for CONTENT and PROGRAMMING!!!!! THere > are, in > > fact, complaints on both forums about sound quality. > > You have just hit the mail on the head. > > Incidentally - the decision of Sirius to hire that reprobate Howard > Stern made my decision for me:=A0 I will go with XM to boycott Sirius. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <122603_LREC_bkup_BR_Ashanti.jpg> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! 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Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Jan 05 09:53:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20907 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 17:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 17:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 17:53:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 17:52:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 17:52:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:52:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 361 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.91.75.30 Subject: Re: OT: early Beatles stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > That's very interesting, considering the early Beatles songs are known > for having the vocals off to one side. I think this particular one wasn't recorded instruments right, vocals left. As I recall, the "doo da doo" was in the right, but the vocals were off center to the left a bit. Those early songs really play havoc with surround sound decoders! From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Wed Jan 05 10:11:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21807 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 18:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 18:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 18:11:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 18:11:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 18:11:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:11:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 212 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: OT: early Beatles stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Hey All, I have the full stereo version of "Do You Want To Know A Secret." I treid to post it in the 'Files' section but it's too big.... If you want a copy, email me derectly and I'll send it along. :) JC From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Jan 05 11:40:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49135 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 19:40:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 19:40:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 19:40:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 19:39:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 19:39:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:39:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 250 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 62.55.107.108 Subject: Re: "SPIRIT OF TASMANIA" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan > When I was in Tasmania I found that at night time 2CA Canberra was > nearly as strong as a local station just about everywhere in Tasmania. Yep 2CA boomed in to Melbourne even on the SRF-42 when I was there... Did you take a MW loop with you ? From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 05 15:05:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24437 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 23:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 23:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 23:05:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 23:05:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 23:05:06 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39486 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 09:56:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 09:56:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 09:56:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 09:55:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 09:55:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:55:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 450 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.172 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford Gets Sirius X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Jan 2005 23:05:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > XM uses the same codec as IBOC, and after listening to it in a > coworker's car, I literally got a headache from all the "screechy" > treble artifacts. I would only consider it tolerable with the > treble control turned all the way down, which masks most of the > artifacts. I believe XM uses ATRAC, whereas Sirius uses iBiquity's original codec. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 05 15:05:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59658 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 23:05:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 23:05:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 23:05:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 23:05:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 23:05:08 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3823 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 09:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 09:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 09:57:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 09:57:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 09:57:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:57:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <37F4C974-5EFC-11D9-A4B2-000D9356B656@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 233 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.172 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford Gets Sirius X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Jan 2005 23:05:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I thought that was Sirius. > > On Jan 5, 2005, at 1:26 AM, Kevin T. wrote: > > > XM uses the same codec as IBOC, I thought so, too. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 05 15:07:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40117 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 23:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 23:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 23:07:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 23:07:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 23:07:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:07:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 563 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.136 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford Gets Sirius X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I believe XM uses ATRAC, whereas Sirius uses iBiquity's original > codec. XM uses AACplus with SBR, which is really the same thing as the rebranded "HDC" that IBOC is currently using. Meanwhile, Sirius is using PAC, the old Lucent codec which iBiquity tried to use with IBOC but was rejected due to poor audio quality. Actually, before XM went on the air they announced they would be using PAC, so Sirius copied that, but XM switched to AAC right before they started operations and by that time it was too late for Sirius to make the switch as well. From mrcomment@yahoo.com Wed Jan 05 15:27:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4215 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 23:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 23:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 23:27:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 23:27:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 23:27:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:27:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1232 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "mrcomment" X-Originating-IP: 64.170.119.228 Subject: Re: Ford Gets Sirius X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338 X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > I believe XM uses ATRAC, whereas Sirius uses iBiquity's original > > codec. > > XM uses AACplus with SBR, which is really the same thing as the > rebranded "HDC" that IBOC is currently using. Meanwhile, Sirius is > using PAC, the old Lucent codec which iBiquity tried to use with IBOC > but was rejected due to poor audio quality. Actually, before XM went > on the air they announced they would be using PAC, so Sirius copied > that, but XM switched to AAC right before they started operations and > by that time it was too late for Sirius to make the switch as well. Not entirely true. Sirius didn't copy anyone. They had been using PAC from day#1, well before XM even got their financing together, partly because of their long relationship with Lucent/Agere (which is now shot). XM started with PAC because PAC does a bit better than AAC at low bitrate and AACplus hadn't been invented yet. When AACplus became available, XM switched. XM got lucky on timing. They actually had developed both solutions in firmware. IBOC had to switch because PAC was deemed unacceptable by the broadcasters for the low AM bitrates. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 05 15:52:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40813 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 23:52:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 23:52:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 23:52:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 23:52:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 23:52:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:52:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 856 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.136 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford Gets Sirius X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Incidentally - the decision of Sirius to hire that reprobate Howard > Stern made my decision for me: I will go with XM to boycott > Sirius. And I continue to boycott both XM and Sirius, as well as cable and satellite TV, just because I'm too cheap to pay a monthly subscription fee. Actually, it's not that I refuse to pay any subscription fees; it's that I don't care to pay for content I don't use. Now that everything is digital, can't they have some way of tracking which channels you listen to (or watch), and only charging you for that usage? For example, I watch TV less than one hour a day. Therefore, paying a monthly fee for hundreds of channels I almost never watch would be a complete waste of money for me. And with satellite radio, out of the 100+ channels, I probably would only even listen to less than a dozen of them. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 05 16:15:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91648 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 00:15:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2005 00:15:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 00:15:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2005 00:15:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2005 00:15:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:15:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 322 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.136 Subject: Re: OT: early Beatles stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That's very interesting, considering the early Beatles songs are > known for having the vocals off to one side. When Beatles songs were first officially released on CD in 1987, some of them were remixed to have the vocals in the center. Other examples of this include "All My Loving", "Nowhere Man", and "In My Life". From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Jan 05 16:19:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49064 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 00:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2005 00:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 00:19:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:19:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.105.210 by BAY101-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:18:24 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:18:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2005 00:19:00.0683 (UTC) FILETIME=[5219A9B0:01C4F385] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.80 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.105.210] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford Gets Sirius X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: > And I continue to boycott both XM and Sirius, as well as cable and satellite TV, just because I'm too cheap to pay a monthly subscription fee. Then get yourself a "Free-To-Air DVB" sattelite system. For around $200 bucks in equipment, you get about 200 or so TV channels serving North America, and from your location you should be able to get another few hundred European channels and a slew of radio networks and music services with no monthly fees...with an 18" dish! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From starship_2001@msn.com Thu Jan 06 05:07:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77544 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 13:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2005 13:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.173.62) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 13:07:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:07:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.207.116 by BAY5-DAV32.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:06:52 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:06:51 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <7033-41DD37EB-4924@storefull-3136.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Kevin T." 's message of Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:52:27 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2005 13:07:00.0568 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BDA1D80:01C4F3F0] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.173.62 X-eGroups-From: starship_2001@msn.com (Norbert 26) From: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: [209.240.207.116] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford Gets Sirius X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Kevin Wrote: > And I continue to boycott both XM and > Sirius, as well as cable and satellite > TV, just because I'm too cheap to pay a > monthly subscription fee. > --- I used to feel that way. But it came to the point where i began paying with my TIME listening to AM (or FM) radio. The AM band is turning into a program wasteland loaded with spots. Add IBOC hash to the picture and you have something that is becoming more and more useless by the day. In april '04 i joined the XM bandwagon. It was one of my better investments for the all the enjoyment and programing choices i can choose from. There is a minor sound quality issue with the high end hence i reduce the treble to clean it up. I can live with it as its the PROGRAMMING that is important. From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Jan 06 09:59:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80556 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 17:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2005 17:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 17:59:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2005 17:58:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2005 17:58:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:58:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 359 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.94.94.106 Subject: ABC Radio signs up for IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I read it yesterday on Yahoo's tech page. There goes two legacy C- Quam stations in my area - WBAP and KMKI. I guess I'll have to hunt up an HD radio or sign up for XM. I feel sorry for both stations - I am sure that tinkering with their antenna patterns to accomodate this trashy engineering system will mess up their incredible ground wave coverage. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 06 17:49:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85092 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 01:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2005 01:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.185) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 01:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@69.105.82.114 with login) by smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 01:49:23 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c4f45b$35ead440$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:50:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.185 From: Subject: custom sattlite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Kevin the term you are looking for custom sattalite is "A LA CARTE". Thats what my C-BAND sattalite service calls it any way. Thanks Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 06 19:39:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69140 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 03:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2005 03:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 03:39:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2005 03:39:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2005 03:39:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 03:39:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2310 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.13 Subject: Strong Latin American DX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics For those of you along the East Coast, the skywave DX from Latin America is very strong tonight. On many channels I am getting Spanish-language stations which are probably from Venezuela or Colombia. I am picking up other unusual signals along a North/South path, including stations from Quebec and the Caribbean. Here is what I've logged so far: 530 kHz - "Radio Vision Christiana" from the Turks & Caicos Islands in the Caribbean, with an absolutely rock-solid local-quality signal -- and they're lighting up the C-Quam AM Stereo pilot, too! 550 kHz - strong Spanish talk; possibly HJHF, 50 kW from Colombia. Fairly strong signal. 790 kHz - "Radio Reloj"-type Spanish news; probably CMAQ from Cuba (reportedly 30 kW, likely higher). 810 kHz - Country music with French announcers; CJVA from Caraquet, New Brunswick, Canada; 10 kW directional. Overpowering WGY almost completely at times. Noticeable mid-treble boost in their audio. 860 kHz - "Radio Reloj"-type Spanish news; probably Venezuela or Colombia (several stations possible). Drowning out CJBC. 890 kHz - Spanish music; very strong signal with telephone-like audio, including a ground loop hum. Probably YVLW, 10 kW from Venezuela (right on the Caribbean coast). No trace of WLS heard! 950 kHz - "Radio Reloj"-type Spanish news, underneath WPEN; could be either "Radio Reloj" from Cuba or YVKG "Radio Informativa 950", 100 kW day / 50 kW night from Venezuela. 1000 kHz - Spanish talk, underneath WMVP; probably Venezuela or Colombia (several stations possible). 1020 kHz - "Radio Reloj"-type Spanish news, underneath KDKA; probably YVMX "Radio Calendario" (50 kW day / 10 kW night) from Venezuela. 1060 kHz - Spanish music, underneath KYW, playing what sounded like rap/hip-hop in Spanish. Several stations possible. 1130 kHz - Spanish music, underneath WBBR. Several stations possible. 1180 kHz - Spanish music/talk with some English content; strong signal, drowning out WHAM. Several stations possible. 1210 kHz - Spanish music/talk, underneath WPHT. Probably YVZT, 10 kW from Venezuela. I have heard this station numerous times before, audible in the background while listening to WPHT. All this was received on a J.C. Penney MCS 3050 home tuner with a Terk "AM Advantage" indoor loop antenna. From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Fri Jan 07 13:45:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97039 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 21:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2005 21:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.210) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 21:45:50 -0000 Received: from user-1985.l4.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.76.103.193] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cn1vZ-0008Nm-Kv for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:45:49 +0000 Message-ID: <+FyhcLLaMw3BFwAc@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:46:02 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.210 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: One for the brain trust X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Out of all the AMS exciters Motorola, Harris, BE, Delta, Broadcast Techniques (are there others) which are the frequency agile models? Tnx -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From baansy@yahoo.com Fri Jan 07 18:20:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5092 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 02:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2005 02:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web50001.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 02:20:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 98611 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jan 2005 02:20:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=bx93dqvq19s4UNOVSGOQdGJp4lauyRThT4zlO/VAiDfg8n6SzY+Ifcn5DNGRi6YQ2qJhKGa6OdAy3KkrNzRm+NpA+75bzSJiQt8isSLEfgzFhwxk779Y9a7TYUFYBjn42ojrSK9/Wtz7IlwcClXLSjR2bbRChemO7yadeICg55o= ; Message-ID: <20050108022016.98609.qmail@web50001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.39.81.9] by web50001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:20:16 PST Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:20:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.16 From: ANDREW BAANS Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "SPIRIT OF TASMANIA" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, I did not need any form of extension antenna. Of course the station did fade out and back in occassionally. Dave wrote: > When I was in Tasmania I found that at night time 2CA Canberra was > nearly as strong as a local station just about everywhere in Tasmania. Yep 2CA boomed in to Melbourne even on the SRF-42 when I was there... Did you take a MW loop with you ? Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Jan 07 19:04:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28662 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 03:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2005 03:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 03:04:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2005 03:04:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2005 03:04:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 03:04:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2688 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.14.103 Subject: Re: Strong Latin American DX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > For those of you along the East Coast, the skywave DX from Latin > America is very strong tonight. On many channels I am getting > Spanish-language stations which are probably from Venezuela or > Colombia. I am picking up other unusual signals along a North/South > path, including stations from Quebec and the Caribbean. Here is what > I've logged so far: > > 530 kHz - "Radio Vision Christiana" from the Turks & Caicos Islands > in the Caribbean, with an absolutely rock-solid local-quality signal > -- and they're lighting up the C-Quam AM Stereo pilot, too! > > 550 kHz - strong Spanish talk; possibly HJHF, 50 kW from Colombia. > Fairly strong signal. > > 790 kHz - "Radio Reloj"-type Spanish news; probably CMAQ from Cuba > (reportedly 30 kW, likely higher). > > 810 kHz - Country music with French announcers; CJVA from Caraquet, > New Brunswick, Canada; 10 kW directional. Overpowering WGY almost > completely at times. Noticeable mid-treble boost in their audio. > > 860 kHz - "Radio Reloj"-type Spanish news; probably Venezuela or > Colombia (several stations possible). Drowning out CJBC. > > 890 kHz - Spanish music; very strong signal with telephone-like > audio, including a ground loop hum. Probably YVLW, 10 kW from > Venezuela (right on the Caribbean coast). No trace of WLS heard! > > 950 kHz - "Radio Reloj"-type Spanish news, underneath WPEN; could be > either "Radio Reloj" from Cuba or YVKG "Radio Informativa 950", 100 > kW day / 50 kW night from Venezuela. > > 1000 kHz - Spanish talk, underneath WMVP; probably Venezuela or > Colombia (several stations possible). > > 1020 kHz - "Radio Reloj"-type Spanish news, underneath KDKA; probably > YVMX "Radio Calendario" (50 kW day / 10 kW night) from Venezuela. > > 1060 kHz - Spanish music, underneath KYW, playing what sounded like > rap/hip-hop in Spanish. Several stations possible. > > 1130 kHz - Spanish music, underneath WBBR. Several stations possible. > > 1180 kHz - Spanish music/talk with some English content; strong > signal, drowning out WHAM. Several stations possible. > > 1210 kHz - Spanish music/talk, underneath WPHT. Probably YVZT, 10 kW > from Venezuela. I have heard this station numerous times before, > audible in the background while listening to WPHT. > > > All this was received on a J.C. Penney MCS 3050 home tuner with a > Terk "AM Advantage" indoor loop antenna. Hi Kevin Thats very cool about the DXing with your MCS 3050. I have two of them. My only complant about them are that the pilot tone dose'nt work as eazy as i would like. Jim Smith From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Fri Jan 07 20:00:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75338 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 04:00:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2005 04:00:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.175.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 04:00:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:00:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.0.17.189 by BAY104-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 03:59:10 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [badeditproductions@hotmail.com] X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:59:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2005 04:00:01.0186 (UTC) FILETIME=[86CD5820:01C4F536] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.175.77 From: "Joe Collins" X-Originating-IP: [68.0.17.189] Subject: Need A Good Radio For DX'ing! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, I would most appreciate it if some of you would please tell me about what radio you use for DX'ing AM. I have a Sony that I have been using for a few years... Not stereo and not too sensitive... and I'd like to get something a little better. I haven't really been into DX'ing for a long time but I'm getting the itch again! I used to have a Sansui TU-X!, A Realistic Mini-Componenet AM Stereo and a DX-440. All gone now after many moves and a nasty breakup with Wife Unit Number One. It would be nice if you could give me a little info about your favorite radio... Availability, price, controls, specs and such. Thanks! :) Joe Collins [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougharding@bellsouth.net Fri Jan 07 20:57:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56269 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 04:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2005 04:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 04:57:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2005 04:57:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2005 04:57:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 04:57:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1385 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 65.6.205.68 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford Gets Sirius X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding My 2004 FORD Thunderbird came Sirius ready. I did pay the $580 for the lifetime subscription. The extra $80 are taxes that Florida imposed because it was a lifetime subscription. Kevin is right, it is for the life of my car. If the factory radio has to be replaced by FORD then Sirius will transfer it to the new radio but it cannot be transferred to another car. I subscribed to receive the FOX and CNN news channels. The sound quality on the talk stations is very narrow band. The music channels sound better then XM which I had in my other car. But again Kevin is right. I subscribed for the PROGRAMMING not for the sound quality. Wideband C-quam stereo sounds much better in my car then Sirius. I hooked a portable CD player to one of Chris Cuffs AM Stereo xmitters and the AM Stereo sound on that Factory FORD radio sounded like FM Stereo, much better then the Sirius music channels. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: Sirius is selling "lifetime" subscriptions for $500. However, that > applies for the lifetime of the _radio_, not the _subscriber_. > > > As to what it means for IBOC, perhaps nothing. But even on the XM > > or Sirius forums, you find that most people DID NOT subscribe for > > sound quality, the subscribed for CONTENT and PROGRAMMING!!!!! > > THere are, in fact, complaints on both forums about sound quality. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 07 21:38:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7640 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 05:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2005 05:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 05:38:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2005 05:38:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2005 05:38:20 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7782 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 03:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2005 03:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 03:11:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2005 03:11:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2005 03:11:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 03:11:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <+FyhcLLaMw3BFwAc@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 545 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.191 Subject: Re: One for the brain trust X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 08 Jan 2005 05:38:20 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Out of all the AMS exciters Motorola, Harris, BE, Delta, Broadcast > Techniques (are there others) which are the frequency agile models? Offpaw, I can't remember which, but there are a coupled Japanese C- QUAM exciter makers. Any that can take a crystal-type input should be suitable at any frequency. DIP-switch-tuned models only go up to 2MHz, but I don't recall the floor of their range. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Someone will provide more relevant answers.) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jan 07 21:50:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73947 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 05:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2005 05:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 05:50:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2005 05:50:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2005 05:50:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 05:50:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 480 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.12 Subject: Re: Strong Latin American DX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics BTW, here is another DX catch which I forgot to add to the list: 1620 kHz - Classic Country music with no IDs or DJ chatter between songs. Fading in and out, but mostly intelligible. This was most likely WDHP from the U.S. Virgin Islands (which I have heard before). Like most other Expanded Band stations, they're only 1 kW at night, but you can't beat the ground conductivity of a 1670-mile signal path which is salt water for all but about 25 miles of that distance! From brucec@mindspring.com Sat Jan 08 06:59:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74862 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 14:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2005 14:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 14:59:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2005 14:59:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2005 14:59:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:59:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1215 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.252.255.231 Subject: Re: Need A Good Radio For DX'ing! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter The standard for AM DX'ing is the GE Superradio 3. It is available from Amazon.com, with other people reporting seeing it at Frys, Sears, and Overstock.com. You can usually find it for around $40. It isn't AM stereo (or FM stereo), but it is difficult to find any AM stereo gear these days, although there are a couple of web sites selling it. AM stereo, however, is more of a local station thing. I have received AM stereo daytime over 300 miles with a Sony SRF-A1 and a loop, but that is at a location that has some of the best ground conductivity in the nation. The broadband radio required for good, high frequency stereo also means poor selectivity, which is not good for DX'ing. The GE has a bandwidth switch that goes from over ten kHz for great local music reception to much lower - maybe 3 kHz for DX. I can't give an exact number because there seems to be some design changes in their circutiry over time to make it more selective in narrow mode, matching the Superradio 2 predecessor. That is probably a lot more information than you wanted, but the GE is a fantastic performer for AM DX. In the daytime, with a 4 to 5 foot loop, you can do over 1000 miles on 50 kW stations. From amdavid@pacbell.net Sat Jan 08 09:36:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amdavid@pacbell.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9615 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 17:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2005 17:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80409.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 17:36:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20050108173604.46723.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.160.235.55] by web80409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 09:36:04 PST Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 09:36:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.79.64 From: David Gleason Subject: Re: {AMSF} Strong Latin American DX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137160909 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiodavid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, no Venezuelan I know of drops power at night. Also, the assumption that coastal venezuelas get out better than ones inland has never been seen in reality. Proximity to the coast does not benefit skywave at all. "Kevin T." wrote: For those of you along the East Coast, the skywave DX from Latin America is very strong tonight. On many channels I am getting Spanish-language stations which are probably from Venezuela or Colombia. I am picking up other unusual signals along a North/South path, including stations from Quebec and the Caribbean. Here is what I've logged so far: 530 kHz - "Radio Vision Christiana" from the Turks & Caicos Islands in the Caribbean, with an absolutely rock-solid local-quality signal -- and they're lighting up the C-Quam AM Stereo pilot, too! 550 kHz - strong Spanish talk; possibly HJHF, 50 kW from Colombia. Fairly strong signal. 790 kHz - "Radio Reloj"-type Spanish news; probably CMAQ from Cuba (reportedly 30 kW, likely higher). 810 kHz - Country music with French announcers; CJVA from Caraquet, New Brunswick, Canada; 10 kW directional. Overpowering WGY almost completely at times. Noticeable mid-treble boost in their audio. 860 kHz - "Radio Reloj"-type Spanish news; probably Venezuela or Colombia (several stations possible). Drowning out CJBC. 890 kHz - Spanish music; very strong signal with telephone-like audio, including a ground loop hum. Probably YVLW, 10 kW from Venezuela (right on the Caribbean coast). No trace of WLS heard! 950 kHz - "Radio Reloj"-type Spanish news, underneath WPEN; could be either "Radio Reloj" from Cuba or YVKG "Radio Informativa 950", 100 kW day / 50 kW night from Venezuela. 1000 kHz - Spanish talk, underneath WMVP; probably Venezuela or Colombia (several stations possible). 1020 kHz - "Radio Reloj"-type Spanish news, underneath KDKA; probably YVMX "Radio Calendario" (50 kW day / 10 kW night) from Venezuela. 1060 kHz - Spanish music, underneath KYW, playing what sounded like rap/hip-hop in Spanish. Several stations possible. 1130 kHz - Spanish music, underneath WBBR. Several stations possible. 1180 kHz - Spanish music/talk with some English content; strong signal, drowning out WHAM. Several stations possible. 1210 kHz - Spanish music/talk, underneath WPHT. Probably YVZT, 10 kW from Venezuela. I have heard this station numerous times before, audible in the background while listening to WPHT. All this was received on a J.C. Penney MCS 3050 home tuner with a Terk "AM Advantage" indoor loop antenna. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Jan 08 09:39:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68630 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 17:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2005 17:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 17:39:21 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-58.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j08HdHvl096627 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:39:18 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002001c4f5a8$fa938820$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:39:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Strong Latin American DX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > 1620 kHz - Classic Country music with no IDs or DJ chatter between > songs. Fading in and out, but mostly intelligible. This was most > likely WDHP from the U.S. Virgin Islands (which I have heard before). > Like most other Expanded Band stations, they're only 1 kW at night, > but you can't beat the ground conductivity of a 1670-mile signal path > which is salt water for all but about 25 miles of that distance! Not to mention that those higher frequencies tend to lend themselves to skywave propogation much more than the lower frequencies. I hear Iowa City's KCJJ on 1630 every night clear as a bell in Central Indiana. I remember before commercial broadcasters began broadcasting on the expanded band frequencies, radios were already available that tuned them (the radio-makers got a couple of years jump on broadcasters) and I heard Dallas/Ft Worth American Airlines TIS stations in Central Indiana nearly every night, and they were uing 65 watts. AA departures were on 1640 and arrivals were on 1680. I have always wondered how they got licensed for 65 watts on a TIS station, but that's a different story. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jan 08 10:20:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93996 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 18:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2005 18:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 18:20:48 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.21.133]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:20:46 -0700 Message-ID: <004e01c4f5ae$db3c6720$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:21:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2005 18:20:47.0644 (UTC) FILETIME=[C67D6DC0:01C4F5AE] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford Gets Sirius X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Been thinking about that myself for the same reasons Kevin mentioned. I'd like to be able to get TRN off it and hear Savage in real time rather than wait three hours til my station plays it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > > Kevin T. wrote: > > And I continue to boycott both XM and Sirius, as well as cable and > satellite TV, just because I'm too cheap to pay a monthly subscription fee. > > Then get yourself a "Free-To-Air DVB" sattelite system. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jan 08 10:21:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63654 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 18:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2005 18:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 18:21:51 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.21.133]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:21:49 -0700 Message-ID: <005401c4f5af$00af8000$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <+FyhcLLaMw3BFwAc@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:22:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2005 18:21:50.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[EBEF9C40:01C4F5AE] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} One for the brain trust X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The BE can be set using jumper plugs. The Motorola 1300 and near twin Delta ASE-1 require crystals. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip de Cadenet" To: Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 3:46 PM Subject: {AMSF} One for the brain trust > > Out of all the AMS exciters Motorola, Harris, BE, Delta, Broadcast > Techniques (are there others) which are the frequency agile models? > > Tnx > -- > Philip de Cadenet > Transmitters 'R' Us > http://www.transmittersrus.com > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From kya1260@lycos.com Sat Jan 08 10:40:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15865 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 18:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2005 18:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 18:40:39 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 2396718001B9 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:40:39 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 8 Jan 2005 18:40:38 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2EF1BCA07A; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:40:39 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [68.126.151.199] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 10:40:39 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 10:40:39 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050108184039.2EF1BCA07A@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Jay Arnold" X-Originating-IP: 68.126.151.199 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Need A Good Radio For DX'ing! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ In addition to the very good Superradio III, if you can find the original G.E. Superradio, that'd be great, too. Its sensitivity is awesome, though not as wide as from people tell me about the Superadio II and III... You'll probably pay through the nose for it on the collector's market, but the original Superradio is a good one! In 1995, I compared the Superradio to a newer Grundig with a digital display that was supposed to be good for DXing (model number long since forgotten), and, in my opinion, the Superradio beat it for sensitivity and tone-quality... When a radio station in Sunnyside, Washington, was known as 1210 KREW=20 "The Crew," playing an enjoyably eclectic mix of '40s through the=20 '80s(!!) a few years ago, I enjoyed the nighttime DX on my Supperadio listening in the North San Francisco Bay Area. I believe the station went to 5,000 watts directional at night from its daytime 10kw... KREW since went Spanish... The fellow who turned me onto the original Superradio pulled in KREW on HIS Superradio while listening in San Jose (the south SF Bay Area), about 90 miles south of me... --jay ******************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Carter" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Need A Good Radio For DX'ing! Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:59:21 -0000 > > > The standard for AM DX'ing is the GE Superradio 3. It is available > from Amazon.com, with other people reporting seeing it at Frys, > Sears, and Overstock.com. You can usually find it for around $40. > It isn't AM stereo (or FM stereo), but it is difficult to find any > AM stereo gear these days, although there are a couple of web sites > selling it. AM stereo, however, is more of a local station thing. > I have received AM stereo daytime over 300 miles with a Sony SRF-A1 > and a loop, but that is at a location that has some of the best > ground conductivity in the nation. The broadband radio required for > good, high frequency stereo also means poor selectivity, which is > not good for DX'ing. The GE has a bandwidth switch that goes from > over ten kHz for great local music reception to much lower - maybe 3 > kHz for DX. I can't give an exact number because there seems to be > some design changes in their circutiry over time to make it more > selective in narrow mode, matching the Superradio 2 predecessor. > That is probably a lot more information than you wanted, but the GE > is a fantastic performer for AM DX. In the daytime, with a 4 to 5 > foot loop, you can do over 1000 miles on 50 kW stations. What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 08 11:00:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91144 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 19:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2005 19:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 19:00:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2005 19:00:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2005 19:00:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 19:00:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 693 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.7 Subject: Re: Need A Good Radio For DX'ing! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The GE has a bandwidth switch that goes from over ten kHz for great > local music reception to much lower - maybe 3 kHz for DX. It doesn't get that narrow on mine. As you say, "Wideband" mode is barn-door-wide, while the "Normal" mode on mine is still wide enough to enjoy crisp hi-fi audio, especially with the Treble control turned up. I'd say it's somewhere around 6 to 7 kHz in Normal mode, with a very gradual drop-off above that point. And it really depends on how much pre-emphasis the station you're listening to is using; stations which follow the aggressive "Optimod" curve may likely reproduce the full NRSC 10 kHz bandwidth even in Normal bandwidth mode on a SR III. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jan 08 18:47:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68582 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 02:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2005 02:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52401.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.109) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 02:47:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 75600 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2005 02:47:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=y9HgIjpbp3XqMaUV4YXO+fIR+IQCQhkRgnTGO/TXLcVHFAiI/g5mSwZ55mSb8twxyuG57mrGNFT3hp0S8cYl/0MXPtl3cWvl0dCrKvdURq6NGigcuUSjx2C4jl7iQZtL5+AqGrf5ryfhjKMwiRw9CIp5ByS7KwF1FFYxEs1aeSg= ; Message-ID: <20050109024708.75598.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.83] by web52401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 18:47:08 PST Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:47:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050108184039.2EF1BCA07A@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.109 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Need A Good Radio For DX'ing! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jay Arnold wrote: > In addition to the very good Superradio III, if you > can find the > original G.E. Superradio, that'd be great, too. Its > sensitivity is awesome, > though not as wide as from people tell me about the > Superadio II and III... I don't think the bandwidth is narrower on the the "original" SR as compared to the II. BUT it sounds better than the II and has better bass response than the II or III. It has only one speaker which is bigger than the other 2. I got mine at a flea market for $5. The only thing is the FM antenna was missing. FM ???? What's THAT? Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jan 08 18:49:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64932 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 02:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2005 02:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 02:49:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 10575 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2005 02:49:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=nTh32TAUy7UNnDVCpl76l20kUaTCYfy8YEGRMB5wOEbBbhnAPxtqeES1o+YwptNdexJ98RoFsDmhwZh/aFloKllUvx9gBXYBpXLU//0gEjn5VHYb/JZMdwDrGyYbx48EoCthHtHIgN58vfk7Mle66os7xfMBTM12q4aC8iV0RUs= ; Message-ID: <20050109024926.10573.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.83] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 18:49:26 PST Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:49:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.116 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Need A Good Radio For DX'ing! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > > The GE has a bandwidth switch that goes from over > ten kHz for great > > local music reception to much lower - maybe 3 kHz > for DX. > It doesn't get that narrow on mine. As you say, > "Wideband" mode is > barn-door-wide, while the "Normal" mode on mine is > still wide enough > to enjoy crisp hi-fi audio, especially with the > Treble control turned > up. I'd say it's somewhere around 6 to 7 kHz in > Normal mode, with a > very gradual drop-off above that point. And it > really depends on how > much pre-emphasis the station you're listening to is > using; stations > which follow the aggressive "Optimod" curve may > likely reproduce the > full NRSC 10 kHz bandwidth even in Normal bandwidth > mode on a SR III. That's what I think too. In fact on a SR III you can't really tune it in wide mode. BTW the same goes for the Hallicrafters SX-62 series. It has 6 bandwiths, of which 3 are only good for listening to audio and not CW. AND with a pair of 6V6's in push pull it's VERRRRY loud. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Sat Jan 08 22:06:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46165 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 06:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2005 06:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 06:06:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2005 06:06:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2005 06:06:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 06:06:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050109024926.10573.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4265 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: Need A Good Radio For DX'ing/WTAR-WOWO DX Story X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Thanks to everyone who has commented on the GE Super Radio... I've heard one of those before and they are awesome! Keep you suggestions coming, though. I got a crazy DX story for you... I worked for 790 WTAR, Norfolk for a few years in the late 80's and early 90's. WTAR was one of the first generation C-QUAM stations and they had one of the very first Motorola exciters and a modulation monitor to match. The curious thing about the Motorola mod monitor was it's ability to change frequency using thumb wheels on the front of the unit. The antenna was a loop mounted on the tower that was located at the top of the building that served as STL tower for the AM and FM radio stations as well as having the weather radar and intercity links for the TV station as well. The tower was maybe 300 feet tall when you calculated in the height of the building in. In the engineering shop, they had a very nice set of speakers mounted on either side of the room and you could switch the audio from AM and FM either in mono with each station in one speaker or have either station in stereo. I would punch up the AM in stereo, disable the off-air alarm and start changing the frequencies around on Motorola! I'd just make sure that the person on the AM was listening to the direct program feed so they would not get confused and sit there for hours listening to WOWO, WLS, WSM or any other station I could get a good stereo signal from. It was so cool because I could look at there modulation. The monitor was in stereo all the time and didn't need to hear a pilot so even when they faded out the monitor would stay in stereo mode You would not believe the strange phasing effects that had on the audio! One night, I had WOWO cranked up good and loud and I had my feet up on the CE's desk talking to Dan Night, who used to do overnights on WOWO, when one of the engineers comes walking into the shop, he waves 'hello' and walks over to the bench to get some tools together before heading out to the FM transmitter site to do some late night maintenance. I whispered to Dan that he just had to say hello to me out of this song and told him I had a guy in there who though I had WTAR cranked up like that.... When the song that was playing ended, here comes Dan booming through our shop saying, "1190, WOWO with the Beatles for Joe listening back in the shop in Norfolk, VA tonight!:" The fellow who was in the shop with me turned around with a very puzzled look on his face and said a phrase in the form of a question with the initials 'WTF'... Dan Night was still hanging on the phone and heard it... We both started laughing. He walks over to the AM mod Monitor and looks at it and then starts punching buttons on the Delta remote control to verify that WTAR was still up and running, all the while, I'm on the other side of the room having a cow! I finally broke down and showed the guy what I had done and then he started laughing with me... The look of total amazement on this guy's face was priceless, though. Of all the stations I worked for through the years, the one I loved most was 'Virginia's First Radio Station, WTAR'... It's all gone now but I can still smell that unique smell an old radio station has... I can see the racks full of equipment in the shop. There was 50 years worth of stuff in those racks and the only people who knew what was actually part of the air chain were the engineers, John Zahn and Bill Pullium. They had a couple of other guys who worked mainly on the transmitters who didn't come in the shop much. It was one of those that I had the DX fun with... Anyhow, John and Bill wouldn't ever tell anyone what all that old stuff in the racks did. They called it 'job security!' When Keith O'Malley came in as chief after John and Bill retired, I helped him try and figure out what some of it was. We gave up after a while and just ran new cables! It was a beautiful mess. By the way, if anyone has any DX airchecks of WTAR from before 1990, I'll trade my first born child for a copy! I have contacted everyone I know who was involved with the station but I still don't have any tape other than what I taped of myself on the air there.... :) JC From amstereoexp@yahoo.com Sat Jan 08 22:50:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoexp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47143 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 06:50:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2005 06:50:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54606.mail.yahoo.com) (68.142.225.190) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 06:50:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 31719 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2005 06:50:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=YZ4cAnoA7NON3LL+5muWCO7sa0SqC0QMYN9nYSpjHytsdr2g7X4MWjNAS7+BRK5YprGoxat+w3/xNvKUa/QAzkjBvyVkCRsqqbQqoydo2rIoHHTq92W6gYbbOdDyoiWYfbTAalA0kY7qTP8/cYoV3+QHwevlbEIqFGilr0UCEU0= ; Message-ID: <20050109065010.31717.qmail@web54606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.89.7] by web54606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:50:10 PST Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:50:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.142.225.190 From: Kevin Tekel Subject: Fwd: Comment from The AM STEREO Web Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78550888 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoexp --- Malm wrote: > From: "Malm" > To: > Subject: Comment from The AM STEREO Web Site > Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 00:12:22 -0600 > > 1270, KLXX in Mandan, ND is still pumping out AM stereo. Their format > is entirely talk radio, but used to broadcast oldies. I miss the music, > but the stereo signal is still there. > > Mark Malm > malm@bis.midco.net > > PS: I built my home tuner from the a 89 Chrysler radio. Works pretty > good, but I sure would like to have a professional tuner. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 08 23:02:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76119 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 07:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2005 07:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 07:02:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2005 07:02:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2005 07:02:02 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9877 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 06:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2005 06:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 06:34:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2005 06:34:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2005 06:34:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 06:34:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1164 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.215.194 Subject: Re: Need A Good Radio For DX'ing/WTAR-WOWO DX Story X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 09 Jan 2005 07:01:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: > I would punch up the AM in stereo, disable the off-air alarm and > start changing the frequencies around on Motorola! I'd just make > sure that the person on the AM was listening to the direct program > feed so they would not get confused and sit there for hours > listening to WOWO, WLS, WSM or any other station I could get a good > stereo signal from. It was so cool because I could look at there > modulation. The monitor was in stereo all the time and didn't need > to hear a pilot so even when they faded out the monitor would stay > in stereo mode You would not believe the strange phasing effects > that had on the audio! Yes I can. Anyone who has ever experienced DX with a forced-stereo AMS radio (such as various Sony models) know that it's a unique experience. Most who DX know the phased fadeouts one gets all the time, but it's less "annoying" on a normal mono AM radio...but it is the same experience. And it's one experience I would never trade, because it's what gives AM stereo its unique character. I like your WOWO story. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 09 11:06:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36964 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 19:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2005 19:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 19:06:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2005 19:06:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2005 19:06:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 19:06:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1830 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.7 Subject: NRSC to Review AM Receivers in Bandwidth Reduction Tests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics It will be interesting to see which models are on that list of 31 receivers -- particularly, if they include the GE Superadio III, current Ford/Visteon car radios, or any other high-performance, high-fidelity AM receivers available today. And isn't it just a little peculiar that while iBiquity based their IBOC compatibility testing on only _four_ receivers, the NRSC wants to test nearly eight times that amount? From www.radioworld.com ...... NRSC to Review AM Receivers in Bandwidth Reduction Tests The NRSC will test 31 receivers to see the effects of reducing the AM transmission bandwidth on various units. Clear Channel has made it a policy, as previously reported by RW Online, to reduce its bandwidth to 5 kHz for its non-music intensive AMs and to 6 kHz for music-intensive AMs to decrease interference on the band. Also, IBOC requires AMs to reduce their audio bandwidth to 5 kHz in order to properly implement that technology. The NRSC is looking at the issue, but has decided it needs more information to make a decision about possible standard-setting in the future. The issue is political and controversial, NRSC sources privately told RW Online, because some stations that don't plan to go IBOC believe the change would not reduce interference. "We're looking at a lot of receivers. We're going to see what they're capable of," said Milford Smith, co-chairman of the DAB Subcommittee of the NRSC. NRS Chairman Charlie Morgan said, "We want a comprehensive evaluation of the receiver population that exists today." He said the test plan, which is still being worked out, is likely to include objective and subjective testing. When testing would begin is undetermined. Frank Foti of Telos and John Kean of NPR co-chair the group, which does not have standard-setting authority. From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Sun Jan 09 11:46:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89666 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 19:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2005 19:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 19:46:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2005 19:46:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2005 19:46:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 19:46:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 723 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: NRSC to Review AM Receivers in Bandwidth Reduction Tests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > Frank Foti of Telos and John Kean of NPR co-chair the group, which=20 > does not have standard-setting authority. Hey, If Frank Foti is on the NRSC, you can bet he'll be very honest about=20 what he hears! Frank Foti is one of the guys responsible for the=20 Omnia line of audio processors. His ears are every bit as good as=20 Bob Orban's! As a matter of fact, I just got through reading a paper authored by=20 both Frank Foti and Bob Orban that discusses how the CD mastering=20 process effects radio air sound. Very interesting stuff! http://www.orban.com/orban/support/optimod/pages/Appdx_Radio_Ready_The _Truth_1.3.pdf Check it out=85 :) JC From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Jan 09 13:48:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96673 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 21:48:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2005 21:48:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 21:48:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2005 21:48:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2005 21:48:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:48:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 959 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.115.233 Subject: Re: NRSC to Review AM Receivers in Bandwidth Reduction Tests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: > > Hey, > > If Frank Foti is on the NRSC, you can bet he'll be very honest about > what he hears! Frank Foti is one of the guys responsible for the > Omnia line of audio processors. His ears are every bit as good as > Bob Orban's! I'd say better than Orban... almost as good as mine ;) They should look at this model http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category% 5Fname=CTLG%5F007%5F009%5F007%5F000&product%5Fid=12%2D898 It doesn't have great AM reception... which is one reason I use it as one of my references when out tweaking near the transmitter (doesn't overload in high RF areas). I was doing a proof... and couldn't believe my ears when I switched off the LPF on the Inovonics 222 we have in one airchain... you could really hear the highs improve. I knew it was fairly wide, just didn't realize it was hearing up towards 10kHz. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 09 19:34:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9861 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 03:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2005 03:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 03:34:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2005 03:34:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2005 03:34:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 03:34:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1896 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.7 Subject: Re: NRSC to Review AM Receivers in Bandwidth Reduction Tests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > They should look at this model > http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5F name=CTLG%5F007%5F009%5F007%5F000&product%5Fid=12%2D898 > > It doesn't have great AM reception... which is one reason I use it > as one of my references when out tweaking near the transmitter > (doesn't overload in high RF areas). I was doing a proof... and > couldn't believe my ears when I switched off the LPF on the > Inovonics 222 we have in one airchain... you could really hear the > highs improve. I knew it was fairly wide, just didn't realize it > was hearing up towards 10kHz. That looks like a radio made by Sangean. I have a Radio Shack DX-397, also made by Sangean, and its AM/shortwave audio is excellent. In fact, it may be a little too wide for nighttime DXing, as you can really hear the 5 kHz carrier whistles on shortwave and 10 kHz whistles on AM. It selectivity is still pretty good, though, especially for a cheap analog-tuning radio. But can you imagine if the NRSC actually find that many consumer- grade radios have a wider AM bandwidth than we are led to believe? During the IBOC tests, they based most of their testing on a GM/Delphi car radio, which was the narrowest and most selective of the four radios they tested. There were numerous instances in which the Delphi's ultra-narrow bandwidth masked interference problems that seriously degraded reception on the other radios. It's almost scary to think that AM IBOC has gotten on the air, and may even be approved for nighttime use, just because of the execeptionally narrow bandwidth of _one_ receiver that was tested! So if the NRSC discovers that most radios aren't nearly as narrowband as the Delphi, then that would not only discredit the supposed benefits of 5 kHz audio, but would also place serious doubt upon whether or not IBOC is suitable for use on the AM band at all. From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Sun Jan 09 19:35:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12755 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 03:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2005 03:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 03:35:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2005 03:35:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2005 03:35:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 03:35:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1274 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: NRSC to Review AM Receivers in Bandwidth Reduction Tests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions I was doing a proof... and couldn't > believe my ears when I switched off the LPF on the Inovonics 222 we > have in one airchain... you could really hear the highs improve. I > knew it was fairly wide, just didn't realize it was hearing up towards > 10kHz. I have used the 222 in several places, It is a wonderful little box as long as you don't hit it too hard. If you don't mind me asking, what are you driving it with? I once used one of those with just a CRL APP-300 in front of it. It was at a station with a wide variety of programming that included some classical music on Sunday and it sounded amazing! It's not the loudest sound but it sure is clean. I set the APP up for 9 dB of gain reduction and drove the 222 to only about 2 dB of G/R and the platform limiter. It would jump up to about 5 dB on hard peaks that slipped through the APP, though. We weren't running stereo but that was probably the most 'hi-fi' AM station I ever heard! That was a big lesson in processing for me. It's when I learned that 'less is more' sometimes... I always wanted to get an Optimod 8100/ST, that's just the front end of the Optimod with out any of the clipping or HF limiting, and run it into a 222 for AM. I bet that would be awesome, too! :) JC From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 09 21:42:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24332 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 05:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2005 05:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 05:42:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2005 05:42:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2005 05:42:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:42:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1933 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.7 Subject: Re: NRSC to Review AM Receivers in Bandwidth Reduction Tests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I once used one of those [Inovonics 222] with just a CRL APP-300 > in front of it. > It was at a station with a wide variety of programming that > included some classical music on Sunday and it sounded amazing! > It's not the loudest sound but it sure is clean. The Inovonics does sound good as long as you don't overdrive it. I have a CRL APP-400 and I'm not particularly impressed with it, but from what I've heard, the older APP-300 is actually a better design. The successor to these is the AGC-400, and so far it's my favorite mono AGC/compressor. In fact, I've compared it side-by-side to an Aphex Compellor, and to my ears the CRL wins hands-down, due to the tonal consistency of its dual-band design, which the single-band Aphex just can't match. CRL has an equivalent stereo model, the SGC-800, and it's equally good. > We weren't running stereo but that was probably the most 'hi-fi' > AM station I ever heard! That was a big lesson in processing for > me. It's when I learned that 'less is more' sometimes... The Inovonics 222 does have a stereo link jack, though, so if you set up a pair of them, they can be used to provide AM Stereo processing. I've never heard of an AM Stereo station using a pair of 222's, but maybe someday I can try that out myself and see how it sounds. > I always wanted to get an Optimod 8100/ST, that's just the front > end of the Optimod with out any of the clipping or HF limiting, and > run it into a 222 for AM. I bet that would be awesome, too! Even better would be the TransLanTech Ariane, which by all accounts is the best multiband AGC/compressor ever made. Many stations have found that putting an Ariane in front of an Optimod provides much better results than just using the Optimod by itself. In fact, the stations which use one are often reluctant to identify themselves, because they don't want to give away their "secret weapon" in audio processing. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Jan 09 23:14:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16707 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 07:14:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2005 07:14:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 07:14:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2005 07:13:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2005 07:13:23 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54481 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 05:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2005 05:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 05:20:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2005 05:19:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2005 05:19:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:19:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 615 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: NRSC to Review AM Receivers in Bandwidth Reduction Tests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Jan 2005 07:13:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 On my digitally tuned portable (Panasonic RQ-SW20), local or nearby stations that reduced their bandwidth (mainly CC stations) splatter just as much as before onto adjacent channels. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > The issue is political and controversial, NRSC sources privately told > RW Online, because some stations that don't plan to go IBOC believe > the change would not reduce interference. > > "We're looking at a lot of receivers. We're going to see what they're > capable of," said Milford Smith, co-chairman of the DAB Subcommittee > of the NRSC. > From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Sun Jan 09 23:52:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83830 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 07:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2005 07:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 07:52:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2005 07:52:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2005 07:52:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:52:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2436 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: NRSC to Review AM Receivers in Bandwidth Reduction Tests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Is the 400 a dual band unit? The APP-300 is not but it has an incredibly smooth sound... I'm not a huge CRL fan but that one box was unique. I always thought that the way you setup the levels on those things was so professional, too! I'm sure your station sounds very good. Anytime you have that little stuuf in the line, it always does... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > I once used one of those [Inovonics 222] with just a CRL APP-300 > > in front of it. > > It was at a station with a wide variety of programming that > > included some classical music on Sunday and it sounded amazing! > > It's not the loudest sound but it sure is clean. > > The Inovonics does sound good as long as you don't overdrive it. > I have a CRL APP-400 and I'm not particularly impressed with it, but > from what I've heard, the older APP-300 is actually a better design. > > The successor to these is the AGC-400, and so far it's my favorite > mono AGC/compressor. In fact, I've compared it side-by-side to an > Aphex Compellor, and to my ears the CRL wins hands-down, due to the > tonal consistency of its dual-band design, which the single-band > Aphex just can't match. CRL has an equivalent stereo model, the > SGC-800, and it's equally good. > > > We weren't running stereo but that was probably the most 'hi-fi' > > AM station I ever heard! That was a big lesson in processing for > > me. It's when I learned that 'less is more' sometimes... > > The Inovonics 222 does have a stereo link jack, though, so if you set > up a pair of them, they can be used to provide AM Stereo processing. > I've never heard of an AM Stereo station using a pair of 222's, but > maybe someday I can try that out myself and see how it sounds. > > > I always wanted to get an Optimod 8100/ST, that's just the front > > end of the Optimod with out any of the clipping or HF limiting, and > > run it into a 222 for AM. I bet that would be awesome, too! > > Even better would be the TransLanTech Ariane, which by all accounts > is the best multiband AGC/compressor ever made. Many stations have > found that putting an Ariane in front of an Optimod provides much > better results than just using the Optimod by itself. In fact, the > stations which use one are often reluctant to identify themselves, > because they don't want to give away their "secret weapon" in audio > processing. From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Mon Jan 10 00:01:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70637 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 08:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2005 08:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.175.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 08:01:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:01:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.0.17.189 by BAY104-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:00:18 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [badeditproductions@hotmail.com] X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 03:00:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2005 08:01:00.0985 (UTC) FILETIME=[86571290:01C4F6EA] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.175.84 From: "Joe Collins" X-Originating-IP: [68.0.17.189] Subject: WRVA/interference X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Has anybody else noticed the terrible interference that I'm getting when I tune to WRVA? It doesn't sound like IBOC hiss and I don't think they have gone their yet anyway but ever since they cut the bandwidth there's this noise that comes right along with the signal that sounds like what TV sounds like when it interferes with the audio if it is not tuned properly. Has anybody else noticed this or is just local to me? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Mon Jan 10 01:44:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78027 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 09:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2005 09:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 09:44:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:44:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.255.73.207 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:43:26 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 04:43:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2005 09:44:05.0825 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECCAC310:01C4F6F8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.24 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.255.73.207] Subject: RE: {AMSF} WRVA/interference X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane I tuned them in Saturday night while I was in my car and didn't notice anything unusual. I was in an area of heavy electrical interference but WRVA boomed through. The radio didn't false stereo like a few months ago. Paul Crane >From: "Joe Collins" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: "AM Stereo Forum" >Subject: {AMSF} WRVA/interference >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 03:00:17 -0500 > >Hey, > >Has anybody else noticed the terrible interference that I'm getting when I >tune to WRVA? It doesn't sound like IBOC hiss and I don't think they have >gone their yet anyway but ever since they cut the bandwidth there's this >noise that comes right along with the signal that sounds like what TV >sounds like when it interferes with the audio if it is not tuned properly. >Has anybody else noticed this or is just local to me? > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Mon Jan 10 07:51:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27276 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 15:51:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2005 15:51:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.211) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 15:51:27 -0000 Received: from user-1904.l2.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.103.112] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Co1pG-000091-CJ for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:51:26 +0000 Message-ID: <0OUT+WO$Rq4BFw4+@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:51:27 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.211 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: Carver TX11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man One of these has come up on ePay. While I knew this model received AMS I have no first hand experience of the set. While researching I cam across this post: http://www.midnightscience.com/_web/000003be.htm This gentleman is putting a fairly poor picture on the performance of this tuner. Powell, or anyone. What's your view? Is the Denon or maybe a Fanfare any better with regards overall performance, sensitivity, selectivity and importantly strong signal handling? Tnx -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 10 13:26:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 861 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 21:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2005 21:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 21:26:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 70081 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2005 21:26:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=mC+X5oLcdS3FFuqoKkm2w5i4V7incSS7+dm5G11NC9PlQEGDOXhi3va4v8IKD+LgafG2n98l+Fggjhx6fc+8m3zkvJqr24iuR2vqlsswEXlPxJgumhSnFWSx3ViHxsa5N5J6uNGVywYFfG/8x2+/jInvhwyiSgXN7LEkwudNW9c= ; Message-ID: <20050110212602.70079.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.101] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:26:01 PST Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:26:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0OUT+WO$Rq4BFw4+@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Carver TX11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Philip de Cadenet wrote: > One of these has come up on ePay. > > While I knew this model received AMS I have no first > hand experience of > the set. > > While researching I cam across this post: > > http://www.midnightscience.com/_web/000003be.htm > > This gentleman is putting a fairly poor picture on > the performance of > this tuner. > > Powell, or anyone. What's your view? I discount John's comments especially the 5 kilohertz stuff. > Is the Denon or maybe a Fanfare any better with > regards overall > performance, sensitivity, selectivity and > importantly strong signal > handling? The Fanfare HAS to be it. The Denon units, long out of production, has and exceptionally poor quality control. Out of 12 ordered (by the South Carolina Broadcasters association for stations) 6 arrived DOA, and 2 more had problems making them useless. Of that stack only 1 survives and it doesn't work right. The AM section was fair in functionality at best. Good bandwith but flaky. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jan 10 13:53:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73345 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 21:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2005 21:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 21:53:01 -0000 Received: from [66.6.132.219] (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0ALrGBd028200 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:53:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <41E2F81F.7020803@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:48:15 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20050110212602.70079.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050110212602.70079.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Carver TX11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I own a Carver Tx-11B presently using it as my studio off-air monitor No complaints been off the list a bit. been on the road and working on the house when home Might be in Akron,OH on Thursday ,Baltimore on Friday not sure Yet... Tom R. just read your Email will call you tomorrow Neal Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: >--- Philip de Cadenet > wrote: > > > >>One of these has come up on ePay. >> >>While I knew this model received AMS I have no first >>hand experience of >>the set. >> >>While researching I cam across this post: >> >>http://www.midnightscience.com/_web/000003be.htm >> >>This gentleman is putting a fairly poor picture on >>the performance of >>this tuner. >> >>Powell, or anyone. What's your view? >> >> > >I discount John's comments especially the 5 kilohertz >stuff. > > > > >>Is the Denon or maybe a Fanfare any better with >>regards overall >>performance, sensitivity, selectivity and >>importantly strong signal >>handling? >> >> > >The Fanfare HAS to be it. The Denon units, long out of >production, has and exceptionally poor quality >control. Out of 12 ordered (by the South Carolina >Broadcasters association for stations) 6 arrived DOA, >and 2 more had problems making them useless. Of that >stack only 1 survives and it doesn't work right. The >AM section was fair in functionality at best. Good >bandwith but flaky. > >Powell > > > >===== >powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Jan 10 15:10:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38818 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 23:10:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2005 23:10:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 23:10:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2005 23:10:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2005 23:10:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:10:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1754 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: NRSC to Review AM Receivers in Bandwidth Reduction Tests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: > I have used the 222 in several places, It is a wonderful little box > as long as you don't hit it too hard. If you don't mind me asking, > what are you driving it with? I once used one of those with just a > CRL APP-300 in front of it. It was at a station with a wide variety > of programming that included some classical music on Sunday and it > sounded amazing! It's not the loudest sound but it sure is clean. The 222 has problems, but for what I am using it for, it works. At WNYG 1440 (Babylon) I'm using an APP-300A (CRL) into a CRL SEP-400 into a CRL PMC-450. I have the pre-emphasis bypassed in the PMC- 450... the HF clipper in the 450 is too harsh with pre-emphasis. The 222 sits after the PMC-450, using only the pre-emphasis and LPF. The limiter, which I don't like at all, is bypassed. The 222's pre- emphasis limiter is cleaner and more effective than that in the 450 and the extra stage of filtering and clipping allows me to run the 450 and 222 where both clippers add up for loudness, but neither is driven into too much clipping if they were standing solo. The other thing I don't like about the 222 is the fact it can smear the audio with the pre-emphasis limiter if more than 6dB of gain reduction is required. If you use the limiter in the 222, you're forced to drive the whole box harder to achieve even 2dB of limiting. At that point, the pre-emphasis limiter is hitting - 12db... smear city when you add that up with the hyperactive limiter in the box (and it's not as if the limiter has good peak control.. it just sounds busy). Inovonics SHOULD have had individual controls to drive the processors in each stage. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 10 15:18:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16667 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 23:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2005 23:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 23:18:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2005 23:18:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2005 23:18:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:18:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1006 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.10 Subject: Re: NRSC to Review AM Receivers in Bandwidth Reduction Tests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Is the 400 a dual band unit? The APP-300 is not but it has an > incredibly smooth sound... I'm not a huge CRL fan but that one box > was unique. I always thought that the way you setup the levels on > those things was so professional, too! The APP-400 (and its stereo cousin, the SPP-800) uses wideband AGC followed by dual-band compression. That sounds like a good design on paper, but in actual use, it just doesn't work that well. At lower G/R settings, it doesn't provide enough gain control, so your audio levels are all over the place. And at higher G/R settings, the wideband AGC gets too aggressive, making the "quiet" portions of the music come out louder than the "loud" portions. The AGC-400 (and SGC-800) is much improved, though, because you can disable the wideband AGC and just use it as a dual-band compressor, and that's the configuration in which it works best and generally delivers very good results -- comparable to, if not even better than, an Aphex Compellor. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Jan 10 15:20:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19546 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 23:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2005 23:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 23:20:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2005 23:20:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2005 23:20:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:20:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2243 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: NRSC to Review AM Receivers in Bandwidth Reduction Tests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > The Inovonics does sound good as long as you don't overdrive it. > I have a CRL APP-400 and I'm not particularly impressed with it, but > from what I've heard, the older APP-300 is actually a better design. > The APP-300 is a better design. No nonsense and is less detectable (to my ears). The one I have at WNYG is pretty beat up and will be replaced by a Gentner Prism I'm picking up over the next month. I'm probably going to shotgun all the caps... it looks pretty original. Either that, or I'll offer it up on ebay. The AGC-400 is a little too noticable. It does have better tonal balance, but I think it sucks the life out of lows in the dual or both modes. In the wideband mode, it muddies up the audio. > The Inovonics 222 does have a stereo link jack, though, so if you set > up a pair of them, they can be used to provide AM Stereo processing. > I've never heard of an AM Stereo station using a pair of 222's, but > maybe someday I can try that out myself and see how it sounds. Tried it at WLUX. We were stereo for one week in 2001. Took it out... not enough mono support and the audio sounded all over the place. If I remember correctly, the BE-AM1 took discreet L and R audio and that's how we wired it, using the stereo linking. I don't remember if there were jumpers on the card in the BE to change from dicreet to matrix on the input to the exciter. Seperation was good on a Chrysler and SRF-A100 and the BE mod monitor. I remember hearing "It's All In The Game" by Tommy Edwards play and how good it sounded. > > Even better would be the TransLanTech Ariane, which by all accounts > is the best multiband AGC/compressor ever made. Many stations have > found that putting an Ariane in front of an Optimod provides much > better results than just using the Optimod by itself. In fact, the > stations which use one are often reluctant to identify themselves, > because they don't want to give away their "secret weapon" in audio > processing. The Arianne/Optimod 9100 combo for AM is fabulous. I'd like to see an Arianne/CRL Amigo for AM. For around $5500, that would be a good stereo airchain. From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Jan 10 16:29:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18297 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 00:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2005 00:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao02.cox.net) (68.230.241.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 00:29:57 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050111002957.ZRRI17983.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:29:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <0OUT+WO$Rq4BFw4+@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> References: <0OUT+WO$Rq4BFw4+@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:29:55 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.37 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Carver TX11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The included loop was awful; the "ultimate antenna" and the Radio Shack=20 AM antenna work well, and the performance with both is excellent both=20 for long range reception and sound quality. I liked it better than the=20 Denon, and I reviewed both side by side when I decided to buy the=20 Carver for myself (at an extra cost that was quite substantial, as I=20 recall). Richard Wagoner On Jan 10, 2005, at 7:51 AM, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > One of these has come up on ePay. > > While I knew this model received AMS I have no first hand experience=20 > of > the set. > > While researching I cam across this post: > > http://www.midnightscience.com/_web/000003be.htm > > This gentleman is putting a fairly poor picture on the performance of > this tuner. > > Powell, or anyone. What's your view? > > Is the Denon or maybe a Fanfare any better with regards overall > performance, sensitivity, selectivity and importantly strong signal > handling? > > Tnx > -- > Philip de Cadenet > Transmitters 'R' Us > http://www.transmittersrus.com > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <122603_LREC_bkup_BR_Ashanti.jpg> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 10 16:46:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79294 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 00:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2005 00:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 00:46:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 62035 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2005 00:46:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=uTNpSHXsoCfJnfImnmAH9ZRnT00Ekevs9vtV/kl15CVrmPbtJrCc9f6SoiSC+Y11ozkzFR1txn1B7zEiTrOChErPcZVBCaA4pm7gOakQs5B0NvopeIrxHs23OekGBw5i9+K+n3TeikRiJJqV2DSY6QjCqrzI7RmsGOxzXu5vzwE= ; Message-ID: <20050111004629.62032.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.79] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:46:29 PST Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:46:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Radio Shack radios made by Sangean X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I changed the subject line to reflect the changed thread....as any poster should do... And away we go: --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > > They should look at this model > > > http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5F > name=CTLG%5F007%5F009%5F007%5F000&product%5Fid=12%2D898 > > > > It doesn't have great AM reception... which is one > reason I use it > > as one of my references when out tweaking near the > transmitter > > (doesn't overload in high RF areas). I was doing > a proof... and > > couldn't believe my ears when I switched off the > LPF on the > > Inovonics 222 we have in one airchain... you could > really hear the > > highs improve. I knew it was fairly wide, just > didn't realize it > > was hearing up towards 10kHz. > > That looks like a radio made by Sangean. It looks like a silver AM/FM version of the DX-395 of which I have 2. More on this in a moment. > I have a > Radio Shack > DX-397, also made by Sangean, and its AM/shortwave > audio is > excellent. In fact, it may be a little too wide for > nighttime DXing, > as you can really hear the 5 kHz carrier whistles on > shortwave and > 10 kHz whistles on AM. It selectivity is still > pretty good, though, > especially for a cheap analog-tuning radio. The Sangean model is SG622. It's pretty good, but sensitivity could be better. It's inexpensive, and quite good on battery life. UNfortuantely over on the European site, there's 2 more radios similar to this WE don't get! The DX-395 has 2 sets of batteries. 4 AA cells for the radio, and 2 AAA's for the display, clock, radio control. These last years. The radio will, however, run the batteries totally down. I have yet to test this radio for bandwith. I may take mine down to RS and compare it to the AM-FM version. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon Jan 10 17:49:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90019 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 01:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2005 01:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 01:49:01 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.18.58]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:48:58 -0700 Message-ID: <004901c4f77f$d07d5b00$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:49:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2005 01:48:58.0999 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7D01070:01C4F77F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Splatter bandwidth- was Re: NRSC to Review X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If these stations are hitting the negative modulation really hard they'll do that. Mike Dorrough (essentially the inventor of multiband audio processing) pointed out something similar on the SW bands to me quite a few years ago. Seems that High Adventure Radio could transmit a clean 7.5kHz of audio and not take up any more room than the VOA stations running only 5kHz but pushing their modulation to carrier cutoff. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > > On my digitally tuned portable (Panasonic RQ-SW20), local or nearby > stations that reduced their bandwidth (mainly CC stations) splatter > just as much as before onto adjacent channels. > From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon Jan 10 17:51:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66153 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 01:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2005 01:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 01:51:05 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.18.58]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:51:03 -0700 Message-ID: <004d01c4f780$1b4381a0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:51:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2005 01:51:04.0417 (UTC) FILETIME=[02915510:01C4F780] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} NRSC to Review AM Receivers in Bandwidth Reduction Tests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I can hear the difference between the T-1 STL and my 8k backup loops on my car radio, and that's only a couple kHz difference on the air. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > From www.radioworld.com ...... > > > NRSC to Review AM Receivers in Bandwidth Reduction Tests > > The NRSC will test 31 receivers to see the effects of reducing the > AM transmission bandwidth on various units. > > Clear Channel has made it a policy, as previously reported by RW > Online, to reduce its bandwidth to 5 kHz for its non-music intensive > AMs and to 6 kHz for music-intensive AMs to decrease interference on > the band. Also, IBOC requires AMs to reduce their audio bandwidth to > 5 kHz in order to properly implement that technology. From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Jan 10 17:58:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95266 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 01:58:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2005 01:58:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.241.30) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 01:58:08 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050111015806.MDYX2638.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:58:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <004901c4f77f$d07d5b00$d503fea9@home1> References: <004901c4f77f$d07d5b00$d503fea9@home1> Message-Id: <3CC067F4-6374-11D9-B4E7-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:58:07 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.30 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Splatter bandwidth- was Re: NRSC to Review X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The splatter is actually more abrupt and annoying than the extra=20 bandwidth had as well. Richard Wagoner On Jan 10, 2005, at 5:49 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > If these stations are hitting the negative modulation really hard=20 > they'll do > that.=A0 Mike Dorrough (essentially the inventor of multiband audio > processing) pointed out something similar on the SW bands to me quite=20 > a few > years ago.=A0 Seems that High Adventure Radio could transmit a clean=20 > 7.5kHz of > audio and not take up any more room than the VOA stations running=20 > only 5kHz > but pushing their modulation to carrier cutoff. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" > > > > > On my digitally tuned portable (Panasonic RQ-SW20), local or nearby > > stations that reduced their bandwidth (mainly CC stations) splatter > > just as much as before onto adjacent channels. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <122603_LREC_bkup_BR_Ashanti.jpg> > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Mon Jan 10 19:23:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50633 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 03:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2005 03:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 03:23:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2005 03:23:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2005 03:23:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:23:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1135 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: WRVA/interference X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Well, I was out tonight and tuned in WRVA. The interference I'm hearing at=20 the house was not there. I'm guessing that it's something being=20 generated locally. Anyhow, they sure sound terrible with the reduced=20 bandwidth. One very interesting thing about tonight was the fact when I was=20 tuning around on the AM band, my wife asked me what the hell was=20 wrong with WRVA's signal=85 She said, "They sound like they are on a=20 telephone. The other stations don`t sound like that." That clinches=20 it for me=85 If my wife notices a difference on an unfamiliar radio=20 (we rented a car for the day. A 2004 Toyota Carola with the stock=20 Radio/CD player) then anybody will notice the bandwidth being reduced=20 to 5 KHz! My wife knows very little about radio and really doesn't=20 care, either. That's probably why we've been together for eight=20 years, now! Anyway, CC is shooting themselves in the foor with this=20 ridiculous BS and it's bound to start showing in the book. I'll be=20 looking ver carefully at the next Arbitron trends for cities where CC=20 has a big AM. I'm betting the ratings will be down by at least a few=20 points. JC From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 10 20:40:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69461 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 04:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2005 04:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 04:40:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2005 04:40:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2005 04:40:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:40:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1110 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.10 Subject: Re: WRVA/interference X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That clinches it for me... If my wife notices a difference on an > unfamiliar radio (we rented a car for the day. A 2004 Toyota Carola > with the stock Radio/CD player) then anybody will notice the > bandwidth being reduced to 5 KHz! One thing I've noticed about CC's 5 kHz talk stations is that they make everyone on the air sound like they have a speech impediment. This is because there are three main types of sibilants in speech: "shh" (as in "shoe"), "sss" (as in "sun"), and "fff" (as in "fun"). But when you brick-wall filter audio at 5 kHz, the only sibilant which is fully retained is "shh". The amount of "sss" retained depends on each particular voice, while the "fff" sibilant is high enough in frequency that a 5 kHz filter can often eliminate it almost completely. So, when the phrase "fun in the sun" goes through a 5 kHz (or less) filter, it comes out sounding like "( )un in the shun"... which makes the speaker sound like he or she has a speech impediment. In fact, to me that's the most annoying thing about this reduced bandwidth -- it makes every "s" sound like a "sh"! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 11 07:14:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52814 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 15:14:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2005 15:14:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14223.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.107) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 15:14:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 9327 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2005 15:13:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Et3B3bjnqH2z1UsRSeRkl1uOUnqXxK0UWPeH+6uLc/w0BKDUZ/kji1HhUe/xgiwq9ETppdtYLakz9UsSQ/lWKbMF5gpMH/eJd877e4Cd1OyFvhafVEUYFGSn4nnPpCzYKD02Yg325H7cAuGVTjZanJ+lDIuiBUH7izFJ1fwWOv8= ; Message-ID: <20050111151323.9325.qmail@web14223.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web14223.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:13:23 PST Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:13:23 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.171.107 From: "John P." Subject: re: Carver TX11b - FANFARE TUNER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Phil wrote: "...What's your view? Is the Denon or maybe a Fanfare any better with regards overall performance, sensitivity, selectivity and importantly strong signal handling?" Phil, I highly recommend the FANFARE FTA-100 tuner for both AM Stereo and for FM Stereo. I had the pleasure of a Fanfare tuner, and it gets 5 stars in my book. If you go to the Fanfare tuner website you can hear some samples of AM Stereo recordings that I made from the Fanfare tuner here. I was 81 miles / 130 km from the CFCO transmitter when I made the stereo AM recordings of them using just a Radio Shack loop. You can get even better performance with a ham antenna. In their local service area, the AM stereo audio is breathtaking. I know that none of us listen to FM, but the amazing thing was how little noise the FM section of the Fanfare has during quiet passages - no background noise - nothing, just silence between passages on a local classical FM station while I was testing the tuner's functions. The AM section of the Fanfare definately meets AMAX Stereo standards and has great bass response WITHOUT distortion when all of the bass is in one channel - like many 60's songs from the Beatles, Sinatra, etc... The Sony AMS chipset used in other tuners suffers distortion when receiving single channel bass hits - the Fanfare does NOT have this problem. I don't know if the Carver uses the Sony AMS Chipset or the Motorola AMS chip(s) - perhaps someone else on the list can advise. Marv Southcott (CEO of Fanfare) sometimes visits this list and he would be able to answer your questions about the Fanfare tuner Phil. You can also inquire about a European/OZ 9KHz model instead of the North American 10KHz model. The Fanfare is a classy unit, gold connectors, separate AM and FM antenna coax connectors, balanced XLR output option, hi level outputs, silence sense option, remote control, metal case, and it has a properly-sized power supply that doesn't generate heat. As you can tell, I'm sold on the FANFARE tuners. I think Doug on our list has a Fanfare or two and could give you his opinion of these fine tuners as well. Regards, John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Tue Jan 11 12:44:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89463 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 20:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2005 20:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 20:44:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2005 20:44:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2005 20:44:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:44:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004d01c4f780$1b4381a0$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 113 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 67.111.241.195 Subject: Re: AM Bandwidth Intelligence Reduction Tests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Hey! Why don't they just decrease the bandwidth to 2 Khz. That should eliminate interference altogether, right? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 11 16:21:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40547 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 00:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2005 00:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 00:21:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2005 00:21:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2005 00:21:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:21:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2793 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.13 Subject: WHAM goes IBOC, hashes NJ & NYC stations during daytime X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics It seems that 1180 WHAM in Rochester, NY has begin transmitting IBOC during daytime hours. I sure noticed it this morning at around 8:50 AM -- well over an hour _after_ local sunrise -- when WHAM's skywave signal was still coming in strongly enough that its IBOC signal caused serious interference to New York City's 1190 WLIB. My commute is just within WLIB's 0.5 mV/m daytime contour, so their signal is not the strongest, but it is perfectly listenable on a decent car radio -- or it _was_, until WHAM turned on their IBOC, that is! The interference this morning rendered WLIB completely unlistenable -- the signal was still there, and was still (barely) intelligible, but no one would stand listening to them through such a loud, continuous stream of "hash" coming from WHAM's upper digital sideband. There was also a constant "squealing" noise, as typical of reception on the second-adjacent channel of an IBOC station, on 1200 kHz, although no local signal occupies that frequency in this area. Even more surprising was that 1180 WHAM's digital signal was coming in strongly enough to even interfere with 243-watt daytimer 1170 WWTR in its own city of license (Bridgewater, NJ)! I was driving though Bridgewater at that time, approximately 5 miles away from WWTR's transmitter site, when I could clearly hear IBOC's characteristic "hash" underneath the DJ's voice. The music on WWTR was enough to cover up WHAM's IBOC hash, and the interference did not rise to an annoying level, but it was highly disturbing to me that a very solid, very local groundwave signal (approx. 5 to 10 mV/m) could be interfered with by the IBOC "hash" of an adjacent-channel station whose skywave signal isn't even supposed to exist during the daytime! And when I tuned in 1180 WHAM itself, their main analog signal wasn't all that strong; in fact, it was only marginally listenable, due to the spill-over from 1170 WWTR's audio. So, WHAM's skywave wasn't burning down the house or anything; I would estimate it as less than 1.0 mV/m -- maybe even only 0.5 mV/m -- during when I heard this interference on WLIB and WWTR. In the case of WLIB, this illustrates that when you have a local groundwave signal and an adjacent-channel skywave IBOC signal, both of roughly equivalent strength, then the groundwave signal is going to suffer to the point where it becomes unlistenable. And in the case of WWTR, even if the groundwave signal is significantly stronger than the adjacent-channel IBOC station, it will still be subjected to an audible amount of interference. Finally, this experience also illustrates that skywaves can and do exist on the AM band, especially on cloudy winter days, during daytime hours, including well after sunrise and well before sunset! From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Jan 11 19:53:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29957 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 03:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2005 03:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 03:53:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2005 03:53:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2005 03:53:52 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75161 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 00:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2005 00:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 00:43:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2005 00:43:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2005 00:43:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:43:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1227 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: AM Bandwidth Intelligence Reduction Tests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Jan 2005 03:53:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, tom_richard1980@y... wrote: > > Hey! Why don't they just decrease the bandwidth to 2 Khz. That > should eliminate interference altogether, right? I don't want to see bandwidth decreased below 5 kHz unless.. # - crystal sets (or other radios with atrocious selectivity), while the receiving antenna is directly touching the transmitting antenna that's putting out 50kW, can reliably pull in a distant/fringe station 10kHz away from the 50kW station without any splatter from the local # - they don't broadcast ANY music AT ALL, not even in commercials, ID's, spots, etc (if it's enough to be illegal on amateur bands, then they should be using at least 8 to 10kHz), or any speech sibilants like fff, sss, or sshhh. (I suppose an exception could be made for a simulcast of WWV) Which splatters worse, a station with a 5kHz analog bandwidth running IBOC, or a C-Quam station putting out a flat response to 15 or 20 KHz? If the IBOC is equal or worse, I'd like to see non-IBOC stations be able to broadcast out to 20kHz IF IBOC is allowed to continue. Otherwise, staying at 10kHz is probably ok, although in some cases (Radio Disney comes to mind, for example) 15 or 20 would be nice. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Jan 11 20:59:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31792 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 04:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2005 04:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.77) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 04:59:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:59:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.107.208 by BAY101-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 04:58:23 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:51:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2005 04:59:01.0464 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E9FE580:01C4F863] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.77 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.107.208] Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHAM goes IBOC, hashes NJ & NYC stations during daytime X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: >WHAM goes IBOC, hashes NJ & NYC stations during daytime Here in the Southeast, 1180 has been a lost cause for a long time. You cant even tell WHAM is there at all due to Radio Marti and the Cuban jammer. Perhaps ol' Fidel can just pay a fee to WHAM to jam Radio Marti with their new HD Radio "jammer" and save the Cuban government the electricity. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mspatoray@sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 11 22:51:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspatoray@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94935 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 06:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2005 06:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp819.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 06:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (mspatoray@sbcglobal.net@64.108.116.206 with login) by smtp819.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 06:51:24 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:51:22 -0500 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.5 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Question about Sony TU-JX520 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178375692 X-Yahoo-Profile: mpatoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I just receives this tuner, I know it is not AM Stereo but I am having an AM problem with it. For some reason it is set to 9kHz channel spacing so is USELESS to me here in OHIO. How do I change this? Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 11 23:01:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59492 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 07:01:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2005 07:01:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 07:01:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2005 07:00:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2005 07:00:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:00:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 332 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.13 Subject: Digital Shortwave Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This article from Radio World contains a brief mention of some of the North American shortwave stations that have recently transmitted Digital Radio Mondial in both mono and Stereo, including a temporarily-licensed 750-watt station on the 26 MHz band in Dallas: http://www.radioworld.com/reference-room/iboc/05_rw_drm_3.shtml From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 12 01:16:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9880 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 09:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2005 09:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 09:16:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2005 09:15:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2005 09:15:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:15:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 214 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.13 Subject: Re: Question about Sony TU-JX520 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > For some reason it is set to 9kHz channel spacing so is USELESS to > me here in OHIO. How do I change this? Try holding down the + tuning button (the button to tune upwards in frequency) while turning it on. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 12 01:25:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83688 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 09:25:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2005 09:25:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 09:25:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2005 09:25:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2005 09:25:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:25:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 7229 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.13 Subject: Let's Keep AM Sounding Good X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com ...... Opinion: 'Let's Keep AM Sounding Good' The Movement to Reduce AM Radio Bandwidth Ignores the Realities of Hearing and Hardware by Dana Puopolo I have been reading the discussion about reducing AM audio frequency response to 5 kHz. First Clear Channel implemented it, then Crawford. Now even Radio World has endorsed it. In this editorial I provide a dissenting opinion and back it up with facts, not listening trips from the airport. Right now AM bandwidth is fixed at 20 Hz-10 kHz. This is the result of the NRSC standards that were set over a decade ago. Prior to this standard, AM stations had no limit on their high-frequency response, which caused problems due to the 10 kHz spacing between AM channels. Add to that the extreme high-frequency pre-emphasis employed by many stations at the time, and you had a recipe for splatter, with some stations 30 kHz (or more) wide. The NRSC studied the problem and came out with a sane answer: a 10 kHz steep audio roll-off. Group delay distortion The 10 kHz bandwidth reduction is achieved through a steep-slope low-pass audio filter just before the transmitter that cuts off everything above 10 kHz. One look at a spectrum analyzer display of an AM station is worth 1,000 words; the sidebands literally fall off a cliff above 10 kHz. Unfortunately, steep-slope filters can cause audible artifacts. Their biggest problem is called group delay distortion. To understand what this is, let me explain. We all know that playing an "A" on a piano sounds drastically different then setting an audio oscillator to 440 kHz. What makes them different is that the piano not only produces the fundamental frequency, it also has harmonics added. These harmonics are even or odd multiples of the fundamental frequency (880, 1320, 1760, etc.). The harmonics extend past the limits of human hearing, which is 20 kHz. Each and every sound has its own unique harmonic structure. To recreate any sound accurately, the reproduction equipment must have flat frequency response, low distortion and noise and a flat time response. In other words, the entire audio waveform must arrive at your ear clearly, at the right level and in the proper time. Group delay is exactly what it says: delay. As you approach the cut off frequency of a filter, the frequencies begin literally to slow down as they go through the filter. This means that they arrive after the fundamental and other harmonics. Problem is, humans can hear time delay distortions and filter group delay quite easily. We usually perceive group delay as a "phasiness" to the audio. Group delay gets worse with the complexity of the filter. This is why audio purists prefer gentle-slope filters to steep-slope ones in crossovers. It's also the reason the old Dorrough DAP sounded so good. Fortunately, the NRSC was aware of this problem and set the cutoff frequency of the NRSC filter at 10 kHz, meaning that only frequencies above 7 kHz would experience severe group delay. Another characteristic of human hearing is that it is not flat - the average adult has a broad peak in his hearing response centered at 3 kHz. This is why a small adjustment of the 3 kHz band on a graphic equalizer makes such a big difference compared to the high- and low-frequency bands. Now let's see what happens when we move the frequency response of that NRSC 10 kHz audio filter down to 5 kHz. First the bandwidth reduces to 5 kHz. Next, group delay distortions are now occurring at 3.5 kHz. In other words, we have introduced a time distortion right where our hearing is the most sensitive! Most of us know that some forms of distortions multiply rather then add; indeed, that is the case here. Some engineers with good intentions have replied to me saying modern computer digital filter design can produce audio filters that have low group delay response right to their cutoff. This is quite true. But there's a second filter that is in cascade with the audio filter over which we have no control: the filter in the receiver. Frequency response It's well known and documented that most AM radios have terrible high-frequency response. Manufacturers do that because it is a cheap way of improving selectivity in the radio. AM stations have been employing pre-emphasis (high-frequency boost) for decades to fight it. The NRSC even publishes a desired pre-emphasis curve. We've all seen the frequency response measurements of a "typical" AM radio - audio response down 6 or more dB at 4 kHz. Let me clue you into something else: the IF filters in the radio also produce group delay. This group delay can multiply with the delay in the audio filter causing severe audio artifacts. The NRSC realized this when they set the cutoff frequency of their filter above the response of the typical AM radio. Now some want to put it right in the middle of the typical AM radio's response. This is a disaster waiting to happen. If you don't believe me, listen to any AM talk station that's implemented these filters. Here in Los Angeles it's KFI(AM), and their phone calls sound far better then their announcers do. Why? Because the phone is steep-slope filtered at 3 kHz, well below the frequency response of the audio filter. The announcers have this "phasey" sound that's not on the calls. In the early 1990s I was chief engineer at WHDH(AM) 850, Boston, one of the two big talk stations there (now known as WEEI). Our directional pattern was designed in the late 1940s and protected KOA in Denver. Unfortunately, the metro had grown west quite a bit, and listeners west of the transmitter in Needham used to complain they could not get us after sunset. We thankfully discovered a CRL audio processor designed for shortwave use, which made us loud. One feature of the unit enabled the user to change the response of its audio filter. Over a period of several months, we experimented with audio responses of 4 kHz, 5 kHz, 7.5 kHz and 10 kHz. The entire radio and TV station was involved; even interns listened on air and gave their input. The results were that audio responses of 4 and 5 kHz caused a "phasey" sound that most did not like. The effect was minimal at 7.5 kHz and could not be heard at all at 10 kHz. We settled on a final audio response of 7.5 kHz. To me, this confirmed in the field what's predicted in the lab: Steep-slope audio filters with cutoffs at or below the typical response of an AM receiver should be avoided. Yet this is exactly what the proponents of limiting bandwidth to 5 kHz propose to do. If you truly need the extra quarter dB of loudness, a good compromise is to employ a cutoff frequency of 7.5 kHz. Over 20 years ago, I remember reading a sentence in the back of the original AM Optimod manual. It said, "The future belongs to the quality conscious." To me at least, that's even more valid today. Let's keep AM sounding good. Let's set AM technical policy based on solid engineering study and measurements, not "junk science." --------- Dana Puopolo is the market chief engineer for Los Angeles-based Multicultural Radio Broadcasting Inc. He lives in Santa Monica, Calif. From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Wed Jan 12 09:03:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85872 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 17:03:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2005 17:03:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.210) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 17:03:42 -0000 Received: from user-4903.l6.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk ([84.66.51.39] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ColuH-0004zz-MS for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:03:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:02:39 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.210 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: Carver TX11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Thanks John, Powell and others for your thoughts. A good while back I in fact spoke with Harv at Fanfare regarding helping to market his quality products here in the UK but never got round to building some pages for the site. He offered me some fair discounts from the list pricing. Maybe I should move forward and try and educate the masses. By the way, seems everyone was asleep at the Delta Exciter a couple of days back as I ended up high bidder at $299 bucks. Hope it's not a lemon when it gets here. Thanks again. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Jan 12 09:58:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19960 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 17:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2005 17:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 17:58:41 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.17.72]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:58:18 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01c4f8d0$664e25a0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:58:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2005 17:58:19.0274 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C737EA0:01C4F8D0] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WRVA/interference X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude A few letters to Radio World might embarrass the right folks... Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > > > That clinches it for me... If my wife notices a difference on an > > unfamiliar radio (we rented a car for the day. A 2004 Toyota Carola > > with the stock Radio/CD player) then anybody will notice the > > bandwidth being reduced to 5 KHz! > > One thing I've noticed about CC's 5 kHz talk stations is that they > make everyone on the air sound like they have a speech impediment. > > This is because there are three main types of sibilants in speech: > "shh" (as in "shoe"), "sss" (as in "sun"), and "fff" (as in "fun"). > But when you brick-wall filter audio at 5 kHz, the only sibilant > which is fully retained is "shh". The amount of "sss" retained > depends on each particular voice, while the "fff" sibilant is high > enough in frequency that a 5 kHz filter can often eliminate it almost > completely. > > So, when the phrase "fun in the sun" goes through a 5 kHz (or less) > filter, it comes out sounding like "( )un in the shun"... which makes > the speaker sound like he or she has a speech impediment. In fact, > to me that's the most annoying thing about this reduced bandwidth -- > it makes every "s" sound like a "sh"! From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Jan 12 10:04:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5714 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 18:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2005 18:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 18:04:38 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.17.72]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:04:37 -0700 Message-ID: <002b01c4f8d1$47f7ec20$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:05:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2005 18:04:37.0831 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E16B570:01C4F8D1] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHAM goes IBOC, hashes NJ & NYC stations during daytime X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Or perhaps our IBOC signals could be used to jam them for a change. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > Kevin T. wrote: > >WHAM goes IBOC, hashes NJ & NYC stations during daytime > > Here in the Southeast, 1180 has been a lost cause for a long time. You cant > even tell WHAM is there at all due to Radio Marti and the Cuban jammer. > Perhaps ol' Fidel can just pay a fee to WHAM to jam Radio Marti with their > new HD Radio "jammer" and save the Cuban government the electricity. > From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Jan 12 10:12:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1391 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 18:12:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2005 18:12:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 18:12:03 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.17.72]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:12:02 -0700 Message-ID: <003901c4f8d2$51370f40$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:12:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2005 18:12:02.0768 (UTC) FILETIME=[374AB500:01C4F8D2] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Shortwave Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude So just how far are we away from a DRM decoder board that can be wired into an existing radio similar to Chris Cuff's AM stereo converter? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > This article from Radio World contains a brief mention of some of the > North American shortwave stations that have recently transmitted > Digital Radio Mondial in both mono and Stereo, including a > temporarily-licensed 750-watt station on the 26 MHz band in Dallas: From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Jan 12 10:22:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85739 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 18:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2005 18:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 18:22:16 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.252.17.72]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:22:15 -0700 Message-ID: <004501c4f8d3$beab45e0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:22:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2005 18:22:15.0836 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4B575C0:01C4F8D3] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Carver TX11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude No, Phil- we weren't asleep. First generation AM stereo stuff is only worth about $300-350 in working condition. I might have bid on it, but I've got too many other projects to spend that kind of money on right now. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip de Cadenet" > > By the way, seems everyone was asleep at the Delta Exciter a couple of > days back as I ended up high bidder at $299 bucks. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jan 12 13:58:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87179 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 21:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2005 21:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 21:58:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 90836 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2005 21:58:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=D6xfaGE5F/lvTaC+77QRgZ0N/wQTJDPylOSkpG8SiC1O0QdPEWHOlAljcSPMKYSoxVJczWHsfD91PC6KyVADoZf6TQMWeTZhUlhOmCgHFOZ4aifbGc67WoeNiQXY288fgV3nlIO7bvCNKyXbth9Z/KSH4X3W2UzRwLbE+wYtpiE= ; Message-ID: <20050112215825.90834.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.156] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:58:25 PST Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:58:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003901c4f8d2$51370f40$d503fea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.114 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Shortwave Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > So just how far are we away from a DRM decoder board > that can be wired into > an existing radio similar to Chris Cuff's AM stereo > converter? > Scott Todd There's already DRM software for this purpose. Encoding and decoding. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From mspatoray@sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 12 15:23:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspatoray@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1185 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 23:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2005 23:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp819.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 23:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (mspatoray@sbcglobal.net@64.108.116.206 with login) by smtp819.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 23:23:53 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:23:51 -0500 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.5 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Question about Sony TU-JX520 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178375692 X-Yahoo-Profile: mpatoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK that worked, Now explain why It will not hold the presets that I set once I shut the tuner off. Matt On 1/12/05 4:15 AM, "Kevin T." wrote: > >> > For some reason it is set to 9kHz channel spacing so is USELESS to >> > me here in OHIO. How do I change this? > > Try holding down the + tuning button (the button to tune upwards in > frequency) while turning it on. > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service > . > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Jan 12 17:28:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 568 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 01:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2005 01:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 01:28:38 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.38.120]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:28:15 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c4f90f$4319b380$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20050112215825.90834.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:28:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2005 01:28:16.0329 (UTC) FILETIME=[27F32B90:01C4F90F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Shortwave Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I know that- I'm thinking of something that doesn't require a computer. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > > --- Scott Todd wrote: > > > So just how far are we away from a DRM decoder board > > that can be wired into > > an existing radio similar to Chris Cuff's AM stereo > > converter? > > > Scott Todd > > > > There's already DRM software for this purpose. > Encoding and decoding. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 12 21:57:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78347 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 05:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2005 05:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 05:57:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2005 05:56:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2005 05:56:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:56:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 284 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.131 Subject: Re: Question about Sony TU-JX520 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > OK that worked, Now explain why It will not hold the presets that I > set once I shut the tuner off. The backup battery needs to be replaced. Inside the tuner you'll probably find a 3-volt coin cell battery. This can also be replaced with two regular AA cells if you prefer. From dav259@csiro.au Wed Jan 12 23:51:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43338 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 07:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2005 07:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au) (150.229.64.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 07:51:35 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (138.194.10.10) by vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au with ESMTP; 13 Jan 2005 18:51:31 +1100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.88,119,1102251600"; d="scan'208"; a="20974577:sNHT17784368" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0D7pUmi000337 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:51:31 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:51:30 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 150.229.64.39 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Kit and caboodle X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Has anyone heard from Kit? And Chris, how is Alex going? Many of us here would like to know. btw - I'm currently listening to a CD of Gene Pitney's Greatest Hits on the AMS Sony boombox. My God - with such wonderful backings it makes you realise how much you really do need huge powerful speakers to truly appreciate the boom side of the orchestra. Remember Walt Disney's Toot Whistle Plunk and Boom? Maybe that's why young people like such shallow but loud music these days. But I guess every generation says this ... Ian Melbourne From dougharding@bellsouth.net Thu Jan 13 08:29:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15751 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 16:29:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2005 16:29:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 16:29:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2005 16:28:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2005 16:28:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:28:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050110212602.70079.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 478 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.100 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Carver TX11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I have both the Carver TX11b and the Fanfare FTA-100. The Fanfare has a warmer sound to it but the Carver also sounds great. I use the Radio Shack tuneable loop on both for an antenna and both are great at DXing. ON another note there is a difference between the TX11a and TX11b. The AM preemphasis button on the TX11b when engaged sets the tuner to the NRSC standard adopted in the early 90s. On the TX11a the button just reduces the amount without meeting a set standard. From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Thu Jan 13 19:59:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84579 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 03:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2005 03:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.175.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 03:59:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:59:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.0.17.189 by BAY104-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:58:43 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [badeditproductions@hotmail.com] X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:58:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2005 03:59:00.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[6127CC20:01C4F9ED] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.175.88 From: "Joe Collins" X-Originating-IP: [68.0.17.189] Subject: RADIO"S FUTURE... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey all, With the moderators indulgence, I'd like to share a part of another discus= sion with you... A post from my other internet life in the world of progra= mming. This is my take on reaching young people with radio... :) JC REACHING THE ECHO BOOMERS Back when I was in high school, we had two big CHR stations that were locke= d in a battle for the young adult. Most of us just switched back and forth.= Now, this was back in the days of real, live radio and each station had it= s' own set of unique personalities. It seemed, however, that these folks we= re always talking to someone else about things my friends and I weren't inv= olved in, though. One day in the lunch room, some guy I barely knew was going on and on about= this new radio station he had found called Magic 92. I asked him what kind= of music they played and he said, "Dude, they play all kinds of stuff. you= gotta check it out." So, when I got home that day, I tuned them in. That t= urned out to be easier said than done because they didn't have a very stron= g signal downtown where I was. Still, I didn't want to be considered uncool= so I rigged up a better antenna. After finally getting a good sounding sig= nal, I started listening and it turned out to be as far out as this guy sai= d. They were doing this sort of freeform alternative thing but unlike the coll= ege station, they were more professional and played better music. It was a = mix of AOR favorites, album tracks from hot artists and a lot of very cool = music from bands I hadn't heard of up until then. I was hooked. The delivery was conversational, laidback and there was a lot of listener i= nteraction. These guys sounded like people I knew. Not hyped up radio perso= nalities. They did news, too, believe it or not, and although they didn't h= ave anywhere near the resources of the bigger stations, they did a fairly g= ood job of reporting events that concerned their target audience. Me! Anoth= er very cool aspect of this station was the fact that you could pick up a p= hone, anytime of the day or night, and call the jock on the air with a requ= est. You could call and ask for an album track that nobody else was playing= and guess what? They'd give it a spin for you! The jcok would say, "Hold o= n, let me see if that's been played lately. Hey, I can do it for you! It'll= be on in a few." They didn't make you wait or BS you about it, either. If = it was something they didn't have or weren't playing, they'd tell you. I fo= und out later that they wrote the requests down, too. They'd tally up all t= he calls they'd get in a week and if they got a lot of calls for a particul= ar record, even if it was not on the charts, they'd add it to the mix. Neat= , huh? Now, after a while a funny thing started to happen. This little station bro= adcasting from just outside the market started showing up in the book. Not = big numbers, mind you, but enough to make the big boys a little nervous. It= was nothing but word of mouth and the widely held notion that all the real= ly cool kids were listening to Magic 92 that gave them a little bump in the= book. It had nothing to do with big promotions, giveaways or anything like= that. These guys operated on a tight shoestring budget and couldn't afford= any thing beyond the basics. The promoters and record companies gave them = no love, either, because they were so small. They never made it real big but they had a nice run for several years with = a loyal audience that responded to ads that were bought by some offbeat bus= inesses in the area like, surf shops, music stores and such. Why? Programming! Topical, targeted, riveting programming from the gut that you could not get= anywhere else. The kind of programming that is rarer than hen's teeth in t= oday's corporate radio. Fast forward 20 years. Now radio is struggling to make it's voice heard. Ev= en the most successful stations with the best signals are competing for a d= windling audience's attention. Young adults are mostly ignored by radio bec= ause the agencies want to go for a slightly older demo. Even stations that = do cater to younger listeners are woefully out of touch with them. They don= 't speak the language. Hell, I don't think they even know it! The screaming jocks, lame jingles and loud-ass imaging is all just hype to = them and they tune it out. It does not speak to them and they are not going= to waste time with anything that does not give them instant gratification.= They can get better music elsewhere so they don't bother with radio Adding= to the problem is the fact that 20 years ago, the fast talking, slightly r= isqu=E9, high energy jock with 'attitude' who belted out a blivits of stati= on hype over an intro was the height of cool. Unfortunately, most radio sta= tions that target kids today are programmed by folks who were in high schoo= l or college around that time and they want their stations to sound 'cool' = like they did back then. You see it all the time, out of touch PD's who don= 't really understand their audience forcing there outdated notions on them. Radio would do well to take a look back at freeform FM of the 70's and 80's= for inspiration. Kids today are not dumb. They are more involved with the = world around them than any generation before. They respond to anything that= gives them a sense of belonging and community.=20 Radio is very good at that when done right. We need to start talking to the= m and not just yelling at them. We need to give them a chance to comment on= what's going on around them instead of doing nothing but 'shout outs' all = night. Don't try and control the conversation. Let it flow. Also, these kid= s are into more different kinds of music then you would imagine. They have = the luxury of having an unlimited choice and they know what they like. It's= not always the latest and newest artists, either. They like a wide selecti= on of older stuff, too.=20 Programming a station with nothing but the hits from the slow moving charts= of today is a recipe for burn out. The music does not come as fast as it u= sed to and songs tend to stay on the charts a lot longer. A creative progra= mmer would do good to conduct some local market surveys to find out what th= ese kids are really listening to instead of just doing callouts on the late= st songs. However, music is only part of what's needed to be successful. Th= ere are a lot of stations out there now that are playing a wide variety of = stuff, mostly aimed at Generation X. These stations called Bob, Jack Joe, P= hil and other cutesy, meaningless names do play a lot of different music bu= t they lack personality. They are doomed to mediocrity from the git go. Without a doubt, personality is going to be what will make or break the nex= t generation of young adult targeted stations. The programming will have to= be topical, informative, interactive and like the kids say, you better 'ke= ep it real.' These kids simply won't be content with '10 in a row' and nons= top hype, anymore. We're really going to have to dazzle them. We are going = to have to really get inside their heads and start speaking their language = and letting them be a part of the conversation if radio wants to regain any= of it's past favor with younger listeners. Personality and local, topical = content are all we have to offer over new media. We better re-learn how to = do it right really quick. That's my opinion but, like my good friend Roger said earlier, what the hel= l do I know? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 13 23:48:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 87360 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 07:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2005 07:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 07:48:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2005 07:48:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2005 07:48:54 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87979 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 04:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2005 04:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 04:48:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2005 04:48:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2005 04:48:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 04:48:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 246 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.249 Subject: Re: RADIO"S FUTURE... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Jan 2005 07:48:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" wrote: =snippity= Freeform FM is very popular here in Humboldt, County, California: http://www.kmud.org/ http://www.kslg.com/ http://www.khum.com/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Fri Jan 14 02:00:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87950 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 10:00:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2005 10:00:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.172) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 10:00:22 -0000 Received: from user-833.l2.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.35.65] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpOFi-0004Ff-23 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:00:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:00:30 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.195.172 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: 100w PWM TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man My post to radio-tech seems to have got lost in the ether. Maybe the learned crew here can assist my engineer Chris. He is working on the audio input filtering and has asks if any of you know what the -3dB frequency is at which the filter starts to roll off toward it's stopband? This is the filter that defines the transmitted modulation bandwidth in the sidebands. He was looking at Nautel compliance document (on their website) ref ITU Rec SM.328, "Spectrum and bandwidth of emissions" and the frequency roll-off is near-on a brickwall, but they do not show any group delay response and I suspect it's pretty awful!!! _________________________________________________________ Now my inexperienced thoughts are that manufacturers only install this input filtering to meet compliance standards. In the field any input filter is bypassed so that all control of audio is taken care of by one's external processor, yes / no? Also, on-board filter would I imagine have different cut-off to cater for US (10KHz) and Euro (9KHz) channel spacing. Any feedback appreciated. Tnx -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 14 08:09:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50093 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 16:09:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2005 16:09:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14221.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 16:09:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 96718 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2005 16:08:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=VcCLtLUBNZne1Vi0sRHFccqCKDr/SrxfHVHJ0H7TEFIBjJ1MVz2QSt3cG20f+9TDajgHeupH/7hrI+fAiIRrpljWGygNp4zPIPtTPpPaKrlbOVLirZAwYia0PB5KIqpEd9GnTQuqgFjBv87lDQurqqMpXyvt/4AKVM8cjWnYFiA= ; Message-ID: <20050114160852.96716.qmail@web14221.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web14221.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:08:52 PST Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:08:52 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.171.105 From: "John P." Subject: RADIO"S FUTURE... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Joe, you hit the nail on the head...LOCAL radio and LOCAL musical tastes. My teenager at home listens to terrestrial radio ONLY when the LOCAL LIVE jock is on in the morning and taking phonecalls, then it's off to satellite land when the voicetracking starts after that; also, as you noted, their complaint is that even AT40 is "so far behind" when the song was a hit - like a month ago! It's gotta be a hit now, or forget it. It's funny to hear them complain that a song is an "oldie" - "Dad, that song is from 2002!" Are we are too old to program a station that isn't for our age group only? Another local complaint - I called a station and 'requested' Paul Simon - and I was told that they "don't play Paul Simon songs" - so too bad, I tuned out. Anyhow, satellite audio quality is 'okay', but properly processed FM and AM Stereo music stations do have better audio quality than the birds much of the time. The voice-only traffic, weather and EAS channel have absolutely horrid audio. The XM247 emergency channel is useless, as you can't even understand the horrible digital cellphone phasing audio. But, again, it's content - provided you can actually hear what's being broadcast. In summary, terrestrial radio will survive with live, local people playing what people want to hear with current locally produced news and community service. Also, they need to have working generators and UPS units so they can report on power outages and storms, not all off the air like our 20 stations were during the great power outage of August 2003. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Jan 14 09:42:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88657 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 17:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2005 17:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41210.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 17:42:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 30302 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2005 17:42:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=3uOrVw20deI4BlMnxQ45FgdPwITLYhDKceYyy6bDC7H4fQ1WgRlkVz+qRLhNPOUmbAtiCP+46NyuzwuYzkoeYVwghygmOlkXMVbw6lGR0WqGzD7htp7gSImh7RkFIsfnU/Db7e9lDHVYrOJAJYEFxT26igK9zgXVSxsdne2BsEM= ; Message-ID: <20050114174230.30300.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:42:30 PST Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:42:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1105713559.767.91329.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.43 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1450 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They (11B's) seem to go for US 600-900 on ebay compared to 150-250 for the = TX11A.Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ ON another note there is a difference between the TX11a and TX11b.=20 Michael&Ross =09=09 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jan 14 15:59:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8724 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 23:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2005 23:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 23:59:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2005 23:59:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2005 23:59:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:59:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1690 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.7 Subject: Re: 100w PWM TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This is the filter that defines the transmitted modulation > bandwidth in the sidebands. He was looking at Nautel compliance > document (on their website) ref ITU Rec SM.328, "Spectrum and > bandwidth of emissions" and the frequency roll-off is near-on a > brickwall, but they do not show any group delay response and I > suspect it's pretty awful!!! I assume you are talking about an audio brick-wall filter that the transmitter has as a built-in feature. In that case, I highly suggest that you disable this built-in filter and instead use the filtering provided by the audio processor of your choice (Optimod, Omnia, Inovonics, CRL, etc.). The transmitter's built-in filter (perhaps accompanied by a peak limiter/clipper) is really only designed to keep your signal "legal". It is not designed for the best audio quality or the best modulation density (on-air loudness). At best, it might duplicate the performance of an Inovonics 222, which is not really anything worth writing home about. The audio response of the Inovonics 222's audio filter is specified as +/- 1 dB from 10 Hz to the cutoff frequency, which is 9.7 kHz for the NRSC filter, 8.7 kHz for the "Euro MW" filter, 6.2 kHz for the "U.S. SW" filter, or 4.85 kHz for the "Int'l. SW" filter. The Inovonics 222's data sheet shows a graph of its NRSC filter's response, which can be considered as a baseline of at least how good any other NRSC audio filter will perform: http://www.inovon.com/content/files/222data.pdf Oh, and I assumed you were talking about an AM transmitter, since you didn't specify -- if this is an FM transmitter you're talking about, then that's a whole different story. :-) From rsklemme@yahoo.com Fri Jan 14 19:29:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsklemme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77993 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2005 03:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2005 03:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 03:29:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2005 03:29:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2005 03:29:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 03:29:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2036 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "rsklemme" X-Originating-IP: 211.28.210.200 Subject: Help with Sony JX-220A and Melbourne AU stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91952722 X-Yahoo-Profile: rsklemme Hi all I just purchased the Sony JX-220A off ebay and wanting if anyone could help me please? Im a bit of a newbie in this regard too - ive always been interested in AM Stereo esp in the 80s when I bought a Realistic tuner (later sold) but didnt have any decent gear to connect it to until several years ago. I live in Melbourne, Australia - is there an up to date listing of stations that are still on and broadcast stereo not just the pilot tone. I have had a look at http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/amsstations.htm 1. There was no manual that came with it - can this be downloaded somewhere as a pdf, etc? If not can it be bought (for a reasonable price?) 2. The backlight doesnt seem to work - can this be turned on/off or is it likely that it doesnt work. I opened the unit up and it looked like a green LED but there maybe appears to be a lamp style filament also - hard to tell. Can this be easily replaced esp if its a LED? 3. The FM stations seem to tune in stronger and in stereo 0.1 Mhz more than the proper frequency i.e. if the station is 101.1 it is best on 101.2. Any ideas? 4. I am using the antennae that came with my Onkyo Amp/Receiver in this now. The FM seems to be the dipole (300 ohm?) and the AM is a loop type. What is the best way to connect these esp given the loop has 2 terminal connectors and there is only 1 on the back of the unit.. 5. What do the AM IF Band Wide / Normal function do? I notice if I put this on it sounds more dynamic however it seems to clip and higher sound frequencies and sounds harsh. 6. How long are the station memory retained for? I noticed when I turned the unit off momentarily it was OK but when for a few mins they disappeared. Given so of these issues, have I been sold a dud? It appears the the unit has been serviced before (was a sticker on the back) Finally, are there are any tips for the antenna to get better reception Sorry for the many questions.. Thanks in advance for your help! Cheers Richard Melbourne, Australia From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jan 14 23:47:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10786 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2005 07:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2005 07:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 07:47:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2005 07:47:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2005 07:47:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 07:47:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1817 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.7 Subject: 1530 WSAI Oldies -> WCKY Talk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Those who enjoy 1530 WSAI's "Real Oldies" format have one weekend left -- Clear Channel's 1530 kHz in Cincinnati will be changing from Real Oldies WSAI to Progressive Talk WCKY at 9 AM on Monday morning, January 17th. For analog AM listeners, WSAI's signal is in lo-fi mono, but I discovered that their webcast is in full stereo (including stereo reverb) with good separation. You can quickly access their web-cast by clicking "Open URL" in Windows Media Player and pasting in this direct link: http://ccri.eonstreams.com/ccri_oh_cincinnati_wsai_am.asf On my "56K" dialup connection (actually 49.333 kbps) I get a 36 kbps stream from WSAI, which generally sounds acceptable, although it has Windows Media Audio's characteristic "twinkly" treble artifacts. WSAI is also using overly aggressive compression on their webcast audio, which creates annoying "pumping" effects and is rather tiring to listen to. Also, the audio level is inconsistent -- music, commercials, and jingles vary widely in playback volume, and sometimes you can hear the board op manually riding the gain. So, the audio is a bit funky, but nevertheless, this webcast is your one chance to hear 1530 WSAI's "Real Oldies" format in true stereo for its last weekend on the air. On Monday, along with 1530's flip back to its heritage WCKY call letters, co-owned 1360 WCKY will flip to its _own_ heritage call letters of WSAI -- but alas, the Real Oldies format reportedly won't be following the WSAI call letters down to 1360 AM; information is still sketchy at this point, but from what I've heard on the Cincinnati board at Radio-Info.net, 1360 will retain its current Sports format. And BTW, if you'd like to hear 1360 WCKY's own webcast, here is the link: http://ccri.eonstreams.com/ccri_oh_cincinnati_wcky_am.asf From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Sat Jan 15 03:55:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15038 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2005 11:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2005 11:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.33) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 11:55:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 03:55:07 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.255.82.244 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:54:49 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 06:54:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2005 11:55:07.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EED4D10:01C4FAF9] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.33 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.255.82.244] Subject: RE: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI Oldies -> WCKY Talk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Interesting... They're switching the call letters back to prior the shuffle in 1994. I have recordings of WSAI on 1360 and 1530, and WCKY on 1360 and 550. Too bad the IBOC (probably) won't move to 1360 so it won't affect the nearby frequencies as much with the lower power. I tried to dx WWKB 1520 a week ago and it was trashed by 1530 at approximately 250 miles away. Paul Crane >From: "Kevin T." >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI Oldies -> WCKY Talk >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 07:47:50 -0000 > > >Those who enjoy 1530 WSAI's "Real Oldies" format have one weekend >left -- Clear Channel's 1530 kHz in Cincinnati will be changing from >Real Oldies WSAI to Progressive Talk WCKY at 9 AM on Monday morning, >January 17th. > >For analog AM listeners, WSAI's signal is in lo-fi mono, but I >discovered that their webcast is in full stereo (including stereo >reverb) with good separation. You can quickly access their web-cast >by clicking "Open URL" in Windows Media Player and pasting in this >direct link: > >http://ccri.eonstreams.com/ccri_oh_cincinnati_wsai_am.asf > >On my "56K" dialup connection (actually 49.333 kbps) I get a 36 kbps >stream from WSAI, which generally sounds acceptable, although it has >Windows Media Audio's characteristic "twinkly" treble artifacts. >WSAI is also using overly aggressive compression on their webcast >audio, which creates annoying "pumping" effects and is rather tiring >to listen to. Also, the audio level is inconsistent -- music, >commercials, and jingles vary widely in playback volume, and >sometimes you can hear the board op manually riding the gain. > >So, the audio is a bit funky, but nevertheless, this webcast is your >one chance to hear 1530 WSAI's "Real Oldies" format in true stereo >for its last weekend on the air. On Monday, along with 1530's flip >back to its heritage WCKY call letters, co-owned 1360 WCKY will flip >to its _own_ heritage call letters of WSAI -- but alas, the Real >Oldies format reportedly won't be following the WSAI call letters >down to 1360 AM; information is still sketchy at this point, but from >what I've heard on the Cincinnati board at Radio-Info.net, 1360 will >retain its current Sports format. And BTW, if you'd like to hear >1360 WCKY's own webcast, here is the link: > >http://ccri.eonstreams.com/ccri_oh_cincinnati_wcky_am.asf > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sat Jan 15 09:40:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54849 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2005 17:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2005 17:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.172) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 17:40:07 -0000 Received: from user-1677.l1.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.76.6.141] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpruA-00055X-6I for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:40:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:38:35 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.195.172 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: 100w PWM TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Thanks Kevin, Yes AM design. OK on the 222. As I mentioned in my original post we only wish to incorporate this filter to meet the required spec's to meet type acceptance without any external processing. I thought, quite rightly that most every professional broadcaster would disable said filter when using an external processor. By the way, what's the difference between first and second generation AM Stereo generators as I cannot find any reference to the differences online. Thanks. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 10:34:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26054 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2005 18:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2005 18:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 18:34:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2005 18:34:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2005 18:34:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:34:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1527 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.7 Subject: Re: 100w PWM TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > By the way, what's the difference between first and second > generation AM Stereo generators as I cannot find any reference to > the differences online. The first-generation decoder is the MC13020, which was the original C-Quam decoder by Motorola. The second-generation decoder is the MC13022, which adds a "Signal Quality Detector". The purpose of this is to eliminate unwanted effects during reception of poor-quality AM Stereo signals, such as platform motion, audio distortion, or rapid mono/stereo switching. The MC13022 gradually reduces stereo separation during poor signal conditions, and also can be designed to gradually change the radio's IF and audio bandwidth depending on signal strength, so that strong signals are received with wide bandwidth (for crisp hi-fi sound), and weaker signals are received with a narrow bandwidth (for better selectivity and less background noise). Radios known to use the MC13022 chip include: * Chrysler car radios with AM Stereo, 1994 and newer * some Ford car radios with AM Stereo, except the latest Viston models which use Digital Signal Processing * GM/Delco/Delphi car radios with AM Stereo, 1993 and newer * Audio Design Associates (ADA) MT-3000 tuner * Denon TU-680NAB tuner * Japan Radio Co. (JRC) NRD-545DSP tuner Another second-generation decoder is the MC13122, which adds impulse noise blanking in order to meet the "AMAX" certification. I believe the Fanfare FTA-100 tuner (a frequent subject of praise in this group) uses the MC13122 chip. From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Jan 15 11:17:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45620 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2005 19:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2005 19:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.139) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 19:17:19 -0000 Received: from storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 171ABD6E3; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:17:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id LAA21430; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:17:18 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAylVJih3GAt34Yw7TBisZziIN3e8CFQCAkj0xwKtk6x7BP6jS5ApSTlVFwg== Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:17:18 -0600 To: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <21567-41E96C3E-3810@storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.139 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: 820 WBAP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Hi, I recently heard that 820 WBAP and it's Radio Disney sister station 620 KMKI Dallas are planning to go to IBOC Broadcasting, And would drop C-Quam Am Stereo... Can anyone confirm this?? My Delco AM/ST radio is out of service at the moment.. Is the AM/ST signal still on?? Bill Snyder -- Omaha, NE Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Sat Jan 15 14:55:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51592 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2005 22:55:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2005 22:55:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au) (150.229.7.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 22:55:54 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au (138.194.3.56) by act-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 09:55:51 +1100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.88,128,1102251600"; d="scan'208"; a="26207276:sNHT130050126" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:55:52 +1100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:55:52 +1100 Message-ID: <301F0FCB8B8F3542B0F6C31E1EA5F868070C91@exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Help with Sony JX-220A and Melbourne AU stations Thread-Index: AcT6smYECRICUXj3So6y8VTmuzYbRwAoTrUA To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2005 22:55:52.0656 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D22A500:01C4FB55] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 150.229.7.38 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Help with Sony JX-220A and Melbourne AU stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933 -----Original Message----- From: Richard [mailto:rsklemme@yahoo.com] I live in Melbourne, Australia - is there an up to date listing of=20 stations that are still on and broadcast stereo not just the pilot=20 tone. I have had a look at=20 http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/amsstations.htm G'day Richard Magic 693 and 3UZ (Sport 927) are full stereo. 3AK (SEN) is in stereo but with no pilot. 3AW has the stereo pilot on but transmits in mono. 3MP unfortunately is gone. > 1. There was no manual that came with it - can this be downloaded=20 somewhere as a pdf, etc? If not can it be bought (for a reasonable=20 price?) I scanned the manual and sent it to UK Dave some time back. I'll try and f= ind the file at work tomorrow and send it to you. (Or maybe Dave - you can= find it quicker than I can.) > 2. The backlight doesn't seem to work - can this be turned on/off or=20 is it likely that it doesn't work. I opened the unit up and it looked=20 like a green LED but there maybe appears to be a lamp style filament=20 also - hard to tell. Can this be easily replaced esp if its a LED? Mine is almost 20 years old. The backlight went out after 10 years or so b= ut it was easy enough to live with. About seven years ago I put it in to a= local radio repair shop in Balaclava (now gone) and it had a complete over= haul. The light was replaced and lasted another five years before going ou= t again. The best part was the antenna connections were fixed.=20=20 > 3. The FM stations seem to tune in stronger and in stereo 0.1 Mhz=20 more than the proper frequency i.e. if the station is 101.1 it is=20 best on 101.2. Any ideas? What's FM? :) > 4. I am using the antennae that came with my Onkyo Amp/Receiver in=20 this now. The FM seems to be the dipole (300 ohm?) and the AM is a=20 loop type. What is the best way to connect these esp given the loop=20 has 2 terminal connectors and there is only 1 on the back of the=20 unit.. My dog ate the first antenna and I had reception troubles until getting a R= adio Shack AM loop antenna. The best antenna seems to be the Turk loop ant= enna if you can find one. > 5. What do the AM IF Band Wide / Normal function do? I notice if I=20 put this on it sounds more dynamic however it seems to clip and=20 higher sound frequencies and sounds harsh. It's this switch that makes this unit so much better than "normal" AM tuner= s. The "normal" sound to me is flat. The "wide" sound makes all AM statio= ns sound more dynamic - even those transmitting in mono. > 6. How long are the station memory retained for? I noticed when I=20 turned the unit off momentarily it was OK but when for a few mins=20 they disappeared. I'd forgotten about that. That was unbearable to live with. It was the re= ason that I put mine in for an overhaul. I haven't had this problem since = it was fixed. > Given some of these issues, have I been sold a dud? It appears the the=20 unit has been serviced before (was a sticker on the back) I doubt it. A good service of it should give you many years satisfying lis= tening. Ian St. Kilda From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 15:44:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 97327 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2005 23:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2005 23:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 23:44:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2005 23:43:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.61] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2005 23:43:09 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 900 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2005 21:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2005 21:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 21:20:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2005 21:20:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2005 21:20:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:20:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 537 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.149 Subject: Re: 100w PWM TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Jan 2005 23:43:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > By the way, what's the difference between first and second > > generation AM Stereo generators as I cannot find any reference to > > the differences online. > > The first-generation decoder is the MC13020, which was the original > C-Quam decoder by Motorola. The second-generation decoder is the > MC13022, which adds a "Signal Quality Detector". The purpose of =snippity= What does a decoder have to do with a generator/exciter? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 15:50:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39802 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2005 23:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2005 23:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 23:50:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2005 23:50:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2005 23:50:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:50:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 745 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.7 Subject: Re: 100w PWM TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What does a decoder have to do with a generator/exciter? Alas, I saw the term "first/second-generation" in relation to Motorola and I thought he was asking about decoder chips, rather than exciters. This was on my mind, as on the broadcast.net list I had just engaged in a discussion regarding how the MC13022 eliminated platform motion. Thus, the differences between first- and second-generation C-Quam decoders are just as I described, but as for the differences between first- and second-generation C-Quam exciters, I don't really know -- aside from the fact that the first-generation Motorola C-Quam exciter and modulation monitor have blue-colored faceplates and the second- generation ones have dark gray-colored faceplates. From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Jan 15 16:04:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27512 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 00:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2005 00:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 00:04:18 -0000 Received: from [66.6.132.219] (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0G04hJE009420 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:04:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <41E9AE36.6070807@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:58:46 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 100w PWM TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting My Motorola C-Quam exciter and modulation meter have a Black Faceplate what generation are they? Kevin T. wrote: >Thus, the differences between first- and second-generation C-Quam >decoders are just as I described, but as for the differences between >first- and second-generation C-Quam exciters, I don't really know -- >aside from the fact that the first-generation Motorola C-Quam exciter >and modulation monitor have blue-colored faceplates and the second- >generation ones have dark gray-colored faceplates. > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 18:37:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3635 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 02:37:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2005 02:37:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 02:37:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2005 02:37:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2005 02:37:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:37:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <41E9AE36.6070807@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 428 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.135 Subject: {AMSF} Re: 100w PWM TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Interesting My Motorola C-Quam exciter and modulation meter have > a Black Faceplate > what generation are they? Well, in this photo, the faceplate looks dark gray, but I suppose without a camera flashing on it, it might look more like black: http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/exciter.jpg So, in order words, your Motorola equipment is second-generation, regardless if you think it looks black or dark gray. :-) From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jan 15 19:13:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91599 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 03:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2005 03:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 03:13:53 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.173]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:13:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c4fb79$85e4de80$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:03:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2005 03:13:52.0021 (UTC) FILETIME=[678E4C50:01C4FB79] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RADIO"S FUTURE... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Allow me a bit of cynicism- today's kids are so overstimulated that likely nothing will dazzle them. They've had too much, too soon; they're totally bored. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Collins" Without a doubt, personality is going to be what will make or break the next generation of young adult targeted stations. The programming will have to be topical, informative, interactive and like the kids say, you better 'keep it real.' These kids simply won't be content with '10 in a row' and nonstop hype, anymore. We're really going to have to dazzle them. We are going to have to really get inside their heads and start speaking their language and letting them be a part of the conversation if radio wants to regain any of it's past favor with younger listeners. Personality and local, topical content are all we have to offer over new media. We better re-learn how to do it right really quick. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jan 15 19:13:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 406 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 03:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2005 03:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 03:13:56 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.173]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:13:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c4fb79$87c27820$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <41E9AE36.6070807@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:20:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2005 03:13:55.0146 (UTC) FILETIME=[696B22A0:01C4FB79] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 100w PWM TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's determined by model number not color. The 1300 is first generation stuff. That's not to say there couldn't have been a production change within a particular series. As to the original question, I think most of it had to do with the amount of single channel limiting within the exciter. The later ones were less apt to produce popping effects in the right channel under heavy single channel modulation. I recrystalled a Delta ASE-1, later generation, and it had just what I described. Don't know if they ever put out an ASE-2- units with serial numbers 71 and up had the additional clipper circuitry. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > > Interesting My Motorola C-Quam exciter and modulation meter have a > Black Faceplate > what generation are they? From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Jan 15 19:13:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 541 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 03:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2005 03:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 03:13:59 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.159.44.173]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:13:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c4fb79$89ba0260$d503fea9@home1> To: Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:22:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2005 03:13:58.0431 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B6062F0:01C4FB79] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Michigan stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Open letter to Paul Crane- About a month ago you reported three stations had gone mono, one of which was expected. Did the other two ever resume stereo broadcasting, to your knowlege? Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Jan 15 19:18:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13108 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 03:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2005 03:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 03:18:19 -0000 Received: from [66.6.132.219] (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0G3IiJE009838 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:18:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <41E9DB97.8050201@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:12:23 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 100w PWM TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Now that I see a picture, I have a reference.... Yes second generation is BLACK.. they did not make a Grey faceplate. Howver the Harris AMS Exciter is grey WTTM is running the Harris C-Quam exciter the Black face I have is From WHWH... Neal-CE Kevin T. wrote: > > >Well, in this photo, the faceplate looks dark gray, but I suppose >without a camera flashing on it, it might look more like black: > >http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/exciter.jpg > >So, in order words, your Motorola equipment is second-generation, >regardless if you think it looks black or dark gray. :-) > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Sat Jan 15 20:09:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34908 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 04:09:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2005 04:09:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 04:09:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2005 04:09:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.61] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2005 04:09:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 04:09:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000101c4fb79$85e4de80$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2444 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: RADIO"S FUTURE... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Allow me a bit of cynicism- today's kids are so overstimulated that=20 likely > nothing will dazzle them. They've had too much, too soon; they're=20 totally > bored. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 Scott, I must confess that I tend to agree with you. These kids are very=20 over stimulated and just might be a lost cause for radio=20 altogether.. I think we should be looking for new ways to reach=20 them, just the same. They'll eventually grow out of their naivet=E9=20 and join the rest of us here in the real world.=20=20 Radio needs to do a better job of reaching everyone, no matter what=20 age=85.=20=20 You can boil my programming philosophy down to this. Radio stations=20 should be live and local with meticulous detail paid to the execution=20 of every programming element. A human being is the best way to=20 ensure that what is going on the air is right on a moment to moment=20 basis. Network programming has it's place, too, but I think a station should=20 take every opportunity to `localize' at available break. I like to=20 listen to "Coast To Coast" at night but I like to hear the local=20 weather and news at the top and bottom of the hour, too. You see, I=20 think the prime motivation for listening to the radio is not music or=20 plain entertainment as much as it is a need to feel connected to the=20 rest of the world. An automated, unattended program, even though the=20 source might be live like "Coast To Coast" doesn't do that at all and=20 always makes you fell like you are listening alone. When a real,=20 live human being, on the local level, is part of the mix, you feel=20 like someone else is out there=85=20=20=20 Radio, as an industry, has forgotten that fact. It's almost=20 imposable to quantify the value of having local talent and local=20 operators to anyone who does not love radio as an art and understands=20 its powers but sees it only as a business like a bank, convenience=20 store or funeral home. They don't understand why it's better to have=20 a real person there even though a well programmed automation system=20 can sound almost as good. I say, the automation system might fool=20 you for a little while, but the lack of real human interaction=20 always comes through in the end. Most people do not consciously=20 realize that they are listening to automation, they just know that=20 something is missing and turn off the radio to find something more=20 satisfying=85 :) Joe Collins From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Jan 15 21:24:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45864 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 05:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2005 05:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao08.cox.net) (68.230.241.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 05:24:40 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050116052427.VCTF27771.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:24:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:24:26 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.31 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RADIO"S FUTURE... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The most popular station of the high school kids I teach is Arrow 93 in=20 Los Angeles. Stale oldies. I think the kids are burned out on hype,=20 personally. On Jan 15, 2005, at 8:09 PM, JC wrote: > I must confess that I tend to agree with you.=A0 These kids are very > over stimulated and just might be a lost cause for radio > altogether..=A0 I think we should be looking for new ways to reach > them, just the same.=A0 They'll eventually grow out of their naivet=E9 > and join the rest of us here in the real world. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 22:50:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79034 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 06:50:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2005 06:50:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41203.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 06:50:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 89027 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2005 06:50:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=fI+GNWhnkYXBuyJ30swPaZYHOGKqbQ4ImH39bhIloMCU5AEQxYlY973ZoQliLt80ct42F0Tj6TONqXi8HeNEEZbStjHFdJ74T5yd+wN/RKsYiZ9TTeXCthk1tUdrV692icYqsBGthc6huXpLIAJu/yj51FBMke2kes8Mt/wXJAQ= ; Message-ID: <20050116065016.89025.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:50:16 PST Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:50:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1105799443.254.63061.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.36 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1451 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Should be a green background with the black numerals.I never seen the manual but then mines second hand...also the AM connector should be two terminals.other than that I 'm not sure the other issues.Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote:Message: 4 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 03:29:04 -0000 From: "rsklemme" Subject: Help with Sony JX-220A and Melbourne AU stations Hi all I just purchased the Sony JX-220A off ebay and wanting if anyone could help me please? Im a bit of a newbie in this regard too - ive always been interested in AM Stereo esp in the 80s when I bought a Realistic tuner (later sold) but didnt have any decent gear to connect it to until several years ago. I live in Melbourne, Australia - is there an up to date listing of stations that are still on and broadcast stereo not just the pilot tone. I have had a look at http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/amsstations.htm 1. There was no manual that came with it - can this be downloaded somewhere as a pdf, etc? If not can it be bought (for a reasonable price?) 2. The backlight doesnt seem to work - can this be turned on/off or is it likely that it doesnt work. I opened the unit up and it looked like a green LED but there maybe appears to be a lamp style filament also - hard to tell. Can this be easily replaced esp if its a LED? 3. The FM stations seem to tune in stronger and in stereo 0.1 Mhz more than the proper frequency i.e. if the station is 101.1 it is best on 101.2. Any ideas? 4. I am using the antennae that came with my Onkyo Amp/Receiver in this now. The FM seems to be the dipole (300 ohm?) and the AM is a loop type. What is the best way to connect these esp given the loop has 2 terminal connectors and there is only 1 on the back of the unit.. 5. What do the AM IF Band Wide / Normal function do? I notice if I put this on it sounds more dynamic however it seems to clip and higher sound frequencies and sounds harsh. 6. How long are the station memory retained for? I noticed when I turned the unit off momentarily it was OK but when for a few mins they disappeared. Given so of these issues, have I been sold a dud? It appears the the unit has been serviced before (was a sticker on the back) Finally, are there are any tips for the antenna to get better reception Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 23:24:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24706 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 07:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2005 07:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 07:24:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2005 07:24:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2005 07:24:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 07:24:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050116065016.89025.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1491 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.135 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1451 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Should be a green background with the black numerals.I never seen > the manual but then mines second hand...also the AM connector > should be two terminals.other than that I 'm not sure the other > issues.Michael The backlight on my ST-JX220A works fine, but it was "forgetting" the presets so I had to replace the backup battery. It had a 3-volt coin cell battery installed, but I replaced it with ordinary AA batteries. If you use a pair of Lithium AA's they should last a long time. One complaint I have about this Sony model is that the digital tuning doesn't "wrap around" at the band edges. So if you're at 530 kHz and want to quickly go to 1620 kHz, you have to scan all the way across the band, because it won't skip from the low edge of the band to the high edge. I guess that makes it more like a regular analog tuning dial, but actually there were some radios with analog tuning that _did_ have "wrap-around", such as the very expensive German-made Becker Mexico radio in the 1970s, which had a motorized auto-seek function. I've seen one in action, and if it doesn't find a station on the first pass of the dial, it will make a loud click and the pointer will instantly hop from the high end of the dial to the low end, and it will start scanning for a station again. Here is a picture of this radio installed in a classic Mercedes, along with a Reims 10-band Shortwave converter under the dash: http://images.jaimekop.com/2002_06_21_250S_At_Dusk.jpg From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 16 00:58:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51215 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 08:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2005 08:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 08:58:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2005 08:58:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2005 08:58:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:58:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1013 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.135 Subject: A Personality flaw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics While listening to WSAI's web stream, the late '50s hit "Personality" by Lloyd Price came on in full stereo, and about 2/3rds of the way through the song, one of the brass riffs sounded very faint and muffled compared to the others during the song. I thought it was just a strange Windows Media coding artifact, but I checked a good MP3 copy of the song, and sure enough, that's the way it was recorded, with the missing riff at about 1:35. But my question is, does this flaw exist in all versions of "Personality", or is it only present in the stereo version of the song? That is a possibility, because in "Yakety Yak", the stereo version is similarly missing one saxophone riff, but the mono version is complete. In both cases, I naturally still prefer the stereo version of each song, but these slight flaws are noticeable-- and while both would be fairly easy to fix with some careful editing, even without working from the original master tapes, it seems no one has chosen to do that yet. From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Sun Jan 16 02:28:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98775 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 10:28:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2005 10:28:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.13) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 10:28:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:27:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.255.63.169 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:26:45 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000301c4fb79$89ba0260$d503fea9@home1> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 05:26:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2005 10:27:01.0396 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA6E3540:01C4FBB5] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.13 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.255.63.169] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Michigan stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Scott - No change. WXLA is still mono. According to their engineer back last summer, the exciter is "upgrading" their equipment to become IBOC-ready. WGVU is still mono as of last Tuesday and still no answer to my email. WLCM is still mono and will be 2 years next month. Still no answer to my emails. Paul Crane >From: "Scott Todd" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: {AMSF} Michigan stereo >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:22:04 -0600 > >Open letter to Paul Crane- > >About a month ago you reported three stations had gone mono, one of which >was expected. Did the other two ever resume stereo broadcasting, to your >knowlege? > >Scott Todd > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From rsklemme@yahoo.com Sun Jan 16 05:51:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsklemme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13268 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 13:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2005 13:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 13:51:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2005 13:51:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2005 13:50:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:50:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <301F0FCB8B8F3542B0F6C31E1EA5F868070C91@exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3656 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "rsklemme" X-Originating-IP: 211.28.210.200 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help with Sony JX-220A and Melbourne AU stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91952722 X-Yahoo-Profile: rsklemme Hi Ian Thanks for the reply! And your from Melbourne also. see my comments below.. > > 3AW has the stereo pilot on but transmits in mono. > 3MP unfortunately is gone. I noticed that 3AW does sound a tad bit different in "stereo" mode but could notice separation. By 3MP being off you mean as in no longer in stereo? >I scanned the manual and sent it to UK Dave some time back. I'll >try and find the file at work tomorrow and send it to you. (Or >maybe Dave - you can find it quicker than I can.) If you could that would be greatly appreciated! >2. The backlight doesn't seem to work - can this be turned on/off.. >Mine is almost 20 years old. The backlight went out after 10 >years or so but it was easy enough to live with. About seven >years ago I put it in to a local radio repair shop in Balaclava >(now gone) and it had a complete overhaul. The light was replaced >and lasted another five years before going out again. The best >part was the antenna connections were fixed. What did they do and was it expensive? I dont want to spend lots trying to fix this as it may not be economically feasible i.e. unit coat apprx $70 secondhand and paying $100+ to fix it. What was wrong with the antenna? Also I wonder if the globe could be replaced by green (or even blue!) LED Is there anyone else you can recommend in Melb pref Eastern Suburbs? >>3. The FM stations seem to tune in stronger and in stereo 0.1 >>Mhz more than the proper frequency > What's FM? :) Haha.. Prob committed blasphemy by using the F word in this forum! Seriously though, I was thinking of using this unit to replace the tuning functions in my Onkyo receiver for both AM/FM, looks like there may be an issue and have to revert back for FM only.. >>4. I am using the antennae that came with my Onkyo Amp/Receiver in >>this now. >My dog ate the first antenna and I had reception troubles until >getting a Radio Shack AM loop antenna. The best antenna seems to >be the Turk loop antenna if you can find one. Do Dick Smith / Tandy still sell this - im guessing prob not since the take over. I lloked in old catalogues of theirs but could see anything either. Who sells the Turk antenna? Are there any others available locally that are OK also i.e. better than the generic one supplied with the Onkyo >> 5. What do the AM IF Band Wide / Normal function do? I notice if >> I put this on it sounds more dynamic however it seems to clip and >> higher sound frequencies and sounds harsh. >It's this switch that makes this unit so much better than "normal" >AM tuners. The "normal" sound to me is flat. The "wide" sound >makes all AM stations sound more dynamic - even those transmitting >in mono. It does sound better though it is quite a bit hissy and clips off with distortion, would the antenna impove this given in normal mode it sounds clear. >> 6. How long are the station memory retained for? >I'd forgotten about that. That was unbearable to live with. >It was the reason that I put mine in for an overhaul. I haven't > had this problem since it was fixed. When I opened it up I noticed the butonlithium battery was soldered on. Maybe should get a lithium battery holder and solder this on and get a CR2032 or similar >> Given some of these issues, have I been sold a dud? It appears >> the unit has been serviced before (was a sticker on the back) >I doubt it. A good service of it should give you many years >satisfying listening. Again, see above - what would typically need to service beside battery, globe? Again, thanks very much for your help! Cheers Richard , Blackburn North From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sun Jan 16 07:40:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24135 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 15:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2005 15:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.210) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 15:40:14 -0000 Received: from user-6402.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.217.2] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CqCVh-00064o-0I for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:40:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:40:08 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.210 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: 2nd generation 'Encoders'. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man I was talking encoders, not decoders. Thanks fellas for the feedback. I hope to do some testing a little later this year. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Jan 16 09:16:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84711 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 17:15:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2005 17:15:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.241.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 17:15:59 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050116171559.VBMZ5137.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:15:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <49F2ABCC-67E2-11D9-ABD2-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:15:58 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.38 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1451 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cadillacs has that on their seek radios also. Looks cool in action. On Jan 15, 2005, at 11:24 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > I guess that makes it more like a regular analog tuning dial, but > actually there were some radios with analog tuning that _did_ have > "wrap-around", such as the very expensive German-made Becker Mexico > radio in the 1970s, which had a motorized auto-seek function.=A0 I've > seen one in action, and if it doesn't find a station on the first > pass of the dial, it will make a loud click and the pointer will > instantly hop from the high end of the dial to the low end, and it > will start scanning for a station again. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Jan 16 10:21:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53838 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 18:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2005 18:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 18:21:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2005 18:21:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2005 18:21:20 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86579 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 14:49:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2005 14:49:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 14:49:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2005 14:49:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2005 14:49:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:49:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <21567-41E96C3E-3810@storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 797 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: 820 WBAP (KDIS) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Jan 2005 18:21:16 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 As of this morning, Avril Lavigne's Sk8er Boy confirmed that KDIS is still in stereo on my SRF-42. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > > Hi, I recently heard that 820 WBAP and it's Radio Disney sister > station 620 KMKI Dallas are planning to go to IBOC Broadcasting, And > would drop C-Quam Am Stereo... Can anyone confirm this?? My Delco > AM/ST radio is out of service at the moment.. Is the AM/ST signal still > on?? > Bill Snyder -- Omaha, NE > > > Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha > I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and > wiring items > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage > > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 > ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Jan 16 13:52:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52425 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 21:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2005 21:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 21:52:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2005 21:52:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2005 21:52:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:52:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 605 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 217.51.145.218 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help with Sony JX-220A and Melbourne AU stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan > >I scanned the manual and sent it to UK Dave some time back. I'll > >try and find the file at work tomorrow and send it to you. (Or > >maybe Dave - you can find it quicker than I can.) > > If you could that would be greatly appreciated! > HI Ian and Richard Very sorry but I'm not sure I still have the scan unless I saved to a CDR, had a few HDD crashes etc since then. I'll have a browse this week, may still have it... Shame about the light, it seems I was lucky to get my 220a from ebay with a working light which has survived a recent 20,000 mile round trip also ;-) Dave Brighton, UK From brucec@mindspring.com Sun Jan 16 14:10:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30534 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 22:10:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2005 22:10:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 22:10:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2005 22:10:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2005 22:10:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:10:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 453 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.253.82.102 Subject: 820 WBAP and 620 KMKI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter 820 WBAP still has a stereo pilot. Because the programming is talk, C-Quam makes little difference. 620 KMKI has no pilot, and has been in mono since last week. The audio sounds chopped at 6 kHz. The difference is dramatic on my SRF- A1 and on my SR-3. Take another C-Quam station off the list. Incidentally - Crawford's KAAM 770 still has a pilot, but a good many of their standards are in mono, so I can't confirm if they are stereo or not. From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Sun Jan 16 14:22:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90572 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 22:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2005 22:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au) (150.229.64.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 22:21:59 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au (138.194.3.56) by vic-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au with ESMTP; 17 Jan 2005 09:21:52 +1100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.88,129,1102251600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="21493329:sNHT35357572" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:21:34 +1100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:21:35 +1100 Message-ID: <301F0FCB8B8F3542B0F6C31E1EA5F8680F635A@exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Help with Sony JX-220A and Melbourne AU stations Thread-Index: AcT8FbKwEHYa2XObQ1CaTTOo2sRUAAAAzkcw To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2005 22:21:34.0911 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD096CF0:01C4FC19] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 150.229.64.38 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Help with Sony JX-220A and Melbourne AU stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Dave [mailto:amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 17 January 2005 8:52 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help with Sony JX-220A and Melbourne AU stations > >I scanned the manual and sent it to UK Dave some time back. I'll > >try and find the file at work tomorrow and send it to you. (Or > >maybe Dave - you can find it quicker than I can.) > HI Ian and Richard > Very sorry but I'm not sure I still have the scan unless I saved to a > CDR, had a few HDD crashes etc since then. I'll have a browse this > week, may still have it... No worries Dave. I can't find the file(s) either. I think I've deleted them as they were so big. Remember my first scan of the B+W manual was saved as colour .bmps nearly blowing up my work PC when I tried to send them to you. We live and learn. :) Richard Please e-mail me your mail address and I'll send you a photo copy. Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mspatoray@sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 16 15:41:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspatoray@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93978 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 23:41:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2005 23:41:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.186) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 23:41:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (mspatoray@sbcglobal.net@64.108.116.206 with login) by smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 23:41:07 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:41:05 -0500 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.186 From: Matt Patoray Subject: What AM Stereo do you think I can get X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178375692 X-Yahoo-Profile: mpatoray All of this talk of AM Stereo has me wanting to do ONE THING, LISTEN TO IT LIVE. I live in New Middletown Ohio near Youngstown zip 44442 and Ohio has NO Am Stereo stations and neither does Western PA as far as I can tell. I have a Marantz 940 Am Stereo receiver and was wondering what I might be able to get if I string up a simple long wire antenna or 2, one for north south the other for east west. I was also thinking of using RG58 to carry the signals into my house and use a Radio Crack RF switch to switch between them, and then ground out the sheild to reduce the noise picked up by the line, coming form my computer. Thanks, Matt From dav259@csiro.au Sun Jan 16 16:08:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7608 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 00:08:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2005 00:08:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au) (150.229.64.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 00:08:46 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (138.194.10.10) by vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au with ESMTP; 17 Jan 2005 11:08:45 +1100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.88,130,1102251600"; d="scan'208"; a="21507751:sNHT20521412" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0H08imi012232 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:08:44 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:08:44 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 150.229.64.39 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help with Sony JX-220A and Melbourne AU stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 16 Jan 2005, rsklemme wrote: > I noticed that 3AW does sound a tad bit different in "stereo" mode > but could notice separation. By 3MP being off you mean as in no > longer in stereo? When 3MP moved studios from Frankston to Richmond the engineer did a dummy spit and switched the stereo off. Yet he's kept it on at 3AK (he says as a backup) with the pilot off. Go figure ... > What did they do and was it expensive? I dont want to spend lots > trying to fix this as it may not be economically feasible i.e. unit > coat apprx $70 secondhand and paying $100+ to fix it. I think it cost about $85 - which was well worth it to me. > What was wrong with the antenna? Also I wonder if the globe could be > replaced by green (or even blue!) LED > Is there anyone else you can recommend in Melb pref Eastern Suburbs? The spring where you stick the antenna wire had snapped off. He replaced all that bit. Don't know about the globe. I'm a technical dummy. > Do Dick Smith / Tandy still sell this - im guessing prob not since > the take over. I lloked in old catalogues of theirs but could see > anything either. > Who sells the Turk antenna? Are there any others available locally > that are OK also i.e. better than the generic one supplied with the > Onkyo I've never seen an AM loop antenna sold in Melbourne. I got mine from the States. Maybe eBay might have something. > It does sound better though it is quite a bit hissy and clips off > with distortion, would the antenna impove this given in normal mode > it sounds clear. Yes. When my antenna connections were bad I could only listen to 3LO and Magic. The swishiness and interferrence on the others was unbearable. > Again, see above - what would typically need to service beside > battery, globe? Well mine was 13 years old and very wonky. I just said "fix everything". To me it was better than buying a new tuner without AMS. > Again, thanks very much for your help! No worries Richard. Let me know your mail address and I'll get a copy of the manual to you. Ian Luna Park From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 11:48:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37116 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 19:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2005 19:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14223.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 19:48:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 11757 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2005 19:48:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=NCnF7+u4gVui9B2vQlOfhILtHOSdbExh2jw+Eh4XR1DTQd+RKXMawdyXzgB0D0bQWhNTeADnGW809WFTDhcW/iRHgD7ptAV/Yg/ahwZxDGvVMwitaGGH2fWYkM6N2PSxwaSEr50h/+e/+JyYkqEcPGeEMQVbB3oLVBhbOOQ7dT8= ; Message-ID: <20050117194803.11755.qmail@web14223.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web14223.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:48:03 PST Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:48:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.171.107 From: "John P." Subject: re: What AM Stereo do you think I can get X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Matt Patoray wrote: "All of this talk of AM Stereo has me wanting to do ONE THING, LISTEN TO IT LIVE. I live in New Middletown Ohio near Youngstown zip 44442 and Ohio has NO Am Stereo stations..." Matt, turn your loop to the NW and listen to 1540 - WBCO in Bucyrus - they are live with their local talk show until they voicetrack later in the day. They have some damn nice-sounding AM Stereo music beamed out of there. Also, you might be able to get 920 AM stereo from Columbus with their adult standards in stereo. Probably the best-sounding bass audio I've ever heard from an AM station. If you're willing to tune outside of Ohio, tune to WJR Detroit 760 - especially on Sunday nights after the 6pm news for "Inside the Music" which plays a diverse and sometimes very recent selection of pop/rock music. Get a loop antenna going, and you can hear some 'good AMS stuff'. Let us know if you get these 3 stations at your location. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 12:41:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14098 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 20:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2005 20:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 20:41:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2005 20:41:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2005 20:41:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:41:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 391 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 67.111.241.195 Subject: Re: That ------ng Denon! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I got my Denon TU 680 NAB back (finally) and the FM was working for not even a minute when it made these loud noises like someone was running paper over a microphone, then it went back to this constant rapid switching between stereo and mono. I'm taking advantage of the 90-day guarantee but if it still doesn't work the only solace I can take is that the AM-Stereo works perfectly. From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Mon Jan 17 13:56:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90979 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 21:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2005 21:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au) (150.229.7.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 21:56:32 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au (138.194.3.56) by act-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au with SMTP; 18 Jan 2005 08:56:31 +1100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.88,132,1102251600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="26554376:sNHT30510556" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:56:30 +1100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:56:30 +1100 Message-ID: <301F0FCB8B8F3542B0F6C31E1EA5F868070C9B@exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Help with Sony JX-220A and Melbourne AU stations Thread-Index: AcT6smYECRICUXj3So6y8VTmuzYbRwCLF4Xw To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2005 21:56:30.0950 (UTC) FILETIME=[6704F060:01C4FCDF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 150.229.7.39 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Help with Sony JX-220A and Melbourne AU stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: rsklemme [mailto:rsklemme@yahoo.com] > There was no manual that came with it - can this be > downloaded somewhere as a pdf, etc? If not can it be > bought (for a reasonable price?) Richard - A copy of the manual is in the post. (It's seen better days but so has AM stereo radio.) Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 15:12:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 34598 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 23:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2005 23:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 23:12:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2005 23:12:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2005 23:12:55 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7000 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 07:53:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2005 07:53:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 07:53:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2005 07:53:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2005 07:53:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:53:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 157 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.139 Subject: Broadcasters aim for digital music sales..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 17 Jan 2005 23:12:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 http://tinyurl.com/4cmf4 The US Government broke up RCA over doing something very similar many, many eons ago.... My, have times changed! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Mon Jan 17 20:13:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96628 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2005 04:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2005 04:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.195) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2005 04:13:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:13:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 69.34.92.179 by BAY22-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 04:12:18 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:12:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2005 04:13:00.0857 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFA73290:01C4FD13] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.195 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [69.34.92.179] Subject: pic's of my station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd link to online photo album of my station. click on photos for larger image and description... http://www.starwisp.net/~part15 Hoping to eventually go AMS on Carrier Current Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis (kc8gpd) Universal Life Ministries [ULC] http://www.freecycle.org http://www.part15.us From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 22:23:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10920 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2005 06:23:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2005 06:23:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2005 06:23:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2005 06:23:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2005 06:23:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:23:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1039 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.135 Subject: Comments from www.radio-info.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics ================================================================== Subject: Re: Gretchen...off topic reply [re: Kevin T.] Posted by: upndownthedial Posted on: 01/17/05 08:30 AM Hey Kevin: I LOVED the banner ad. I gotta admit, though I laughed out loud when it flashed "It's time to think about AM Stereo again". I was a PD for one of the first AM stereo stations in the country. I was really sold on it at the time -- the quality, when done right, really is amazing. But the only way the retail outlets could sell any of the Sony Walkmans with AM stereo is if we sent a jock there to put the headphones on anyone who came by and did an A-B test. When we DID do that, though, the consumer was as excited about it as we were. However, now, there's very little compelling programming on AM to get enough folks excited about buying a new radio when Satellite and IPod seem to be dominating the marketing landscape. It's too bad. Maybe if Leonard Kahn hadn't been so stubborn, it could have rolled out faster the first time. From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Jan 18 01:06:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52193 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2005 09:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2005 09:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.48) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2005 09:06:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:06:07 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.255.60.15 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:05:28 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050117194803.11755.qmail@web14223.mail.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 04:05:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2005 09:06:07.0716 (UTC) FILETIME=[F23CEA40:01C4FD3C] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.37.48 From: "Paul Crane" X-Originating-IP: [68.255.60.15] Subject: RE: {AMSF} re: What AM Stereo do you think I can get X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane There's also CFCO 630 in Chatham, ON with their 10kW flamethrower. I've picked them up as far away as downtown Niles, MI, in full stereo. CFCO plays AC/oldies music most of the time. Paul Crane Jackson, MI >From: "John P." >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} re: What AM Stereo do you think I can get >Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:48:03 -0800 (PST) > >Matt Patoray wrote: "All of this talk of AM >Stereo >has me wanting to do ONE THING, LISTEN TO IT LIVE. I live in New Middletown >Ohio near Youngstown zip 44442 and Ohio has NO Am Stereo stations..." > >Matt, turn your loop to the NW and listen to 1540 - WBCO in Bucyrus - they >are >live with their local talk show until they voicetrack later in the day. >They >have some damn nice-sounding AM Stereo music beamed out of there. > >Also, you might be able to get 920 AM stereo from Columbus with their adult >standards in stereo. Probably the best-sounding bass audio I've ever heard >from an AM station. > >If you're willing to tune outside of Ohio, tune to WJR Detroit 760 - >especially >on Sunday nights after the 6pm news for "Inside the Music" which plays a >diverse and sometimes very recent selection of pop/rock music. > >Get a loop antenna going, and you can hear some 'good AMS stuff'. Let us >know >if you get these 3 stations at your location. > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Jan 18 15:51:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99816 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2005 23:51:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2005 23:51:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2005 23:51:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2005 23:51:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2005 23:51:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:51:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 331 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 217.51.145.211 Subject: 1440khz DRM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Using my Elektor DRM radio with the sound card I get results with the new test transmission from RTL in Germany. 19.66kbps Stereo modeon 1440 sounds good. A local (to me) MW DRM stereo transmission using 1368khz is also going on air in the next month or so from Hickstead - about 10 miles from Brighton... It's all happening! From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Jan 19 10:44:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7042 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 18:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2005 18:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 18:44:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2005 18:44:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2005 18:44:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:44:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1200 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.94.94.106 Subject: Re: 1440khz DRM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter For those of us in the US - who haven't heard of DRM before - what are some of the details about how it operates? Do you have adjacent channel destruction the way IBOC does over here? Do you have to limit audio bandwidth to 5 kHz? Usually, there are some real incompatibilities between what Europe does and what we do in America. I seem to remember something about Eureka 147 or some such standard that will work in a system where all the stations are part of one big network, but obviously wouldn't work in a diverse format society. Maybe I am wrong. Collectively here we have a lot of broadcast engineering talent. Right now, we are out of favor with broadcasters who prefer this IBOC white elephant, blindly converting stations over to it oblivious to any warnings we post publically about it. And there seems to be a real effort to discredit dissenters like Leonard Kahn. But this won't always be the case. 5 years, 10 years down the line when the whole IBOC thing implodes (the AM band is unlistenable, people aren't buying radios) - it will be up to us to pick up the pieces left by bad engineering and propose something that might actually work. Maybe this DRM? From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 13:18:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74800 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 21:18:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2005 21:18:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52401.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.109) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 21:18:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 22267 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2005 21:18:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=tYEbLSf5qKSdcRTfxCvjOgvempYerO2+/jvP7zIc1iAgGSlLC3/yk+szvSDaxI3aSPR6jk/P8XxbHHpbrDRcx5YYWjSknxQVs7/RhXPD4CKhhk3FsMwtsxt6vH1iZ2BnhLgy9Og8iJmqUmFTPsI38ukBKQt7DVHXA3VTh6BVRUs= ; Message-ID: <20050119211841.22265.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.218.124] by web52401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:18:41 PST Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:18:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.109 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1440khz DRM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Bruce Carter wrote: > > For those of us in the US - who haven't heard of DRM > before - what > are some of the details about how it operates? Do > you have adjacent > channel destruction the way IBOC does over here? Do > you have to > limit audio bandwidth to 5 kHz? go to http://www.drm.org There is no analog. > But this won't always be the case. 5 years, 10 > years down the line > when the whole IBOC thing implodes (the AM band is > unlistenable, > people aren't buying radios) - it will be up to us > to pick up the > pieces left by bad engineering and propose something > that might > actually work. Maybe this DRM? DRM and IBOC could have been compatible. But then Ibiquity couldn't get BIG licensing fees. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 14:12:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99054 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 22:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2005 22:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52409.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.117) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 22:12:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 75144 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2005 22:12:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=QQY+ecAOzzPZWLKkzT2FqlMg3m4QGY8PQj9zV7wSB3TOiUpWRUqV/osgcnkloHO0wo7TwaAAnF0qUvtZFMFpzDVMgPnnPKbZQfRyPrevkF49UTRg4QnxVx0+U5Gk3lSCdvHm/UTXu/F8Vc6f3IReXGdgr1WfJRLArUUpyRU1rQE= ; Message-ID: <20050119221217.75142.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.94] by web52409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:12:17 PST Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:12:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050119211841.22265.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.117 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1440khz DRM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > DRM and IBOC could have been compatible. But then > Ibiquity couldn't get BIG licensing fees. AND keep things proprietary and totally under wraps UNLIKE DRM. That said, on HF you'd better have a near perfect signal for it to decode. It [DRM] handles interference poorly. I'd expect IBOC to do worse. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 15:48:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7275 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 23:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2005 23:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 23:48:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2005 23:48:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2005 23:48:31 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76797 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2005 09:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2005 09:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2005 09:00:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2005 08:59:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2005 08:59:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:59:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 246 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.240 Subject: Re: Comments from www.radio-info.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 19 Jan 2005 23:48:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 This post confirms two things: AMS awareness (non-existant until actually exposed to it), and Kahn's behavior. And I would have chosen a far better descriptor for Kahn, but to keep it clean, I'll just use the initials "A.H." Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 15:56:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7868 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 23:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2005 23:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 23:56:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2005 23:56:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2005 23:56:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:56:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 666 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.135 Subject: Re: 1440khz DRM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Using my Elektor DRM radio with the sound card I get results with > the new test transmission from RTL in Germany. 19.66kbps Stereo > modeon 1440 sounds good. Somehow I just don't think a stereo bitrate less than 20 kbps and "sounds good" can be used in the same sentence. And unfortunately, it seems that DRM has to use very low bitrates in order to provide an acceptable signal, because unlike IBOC, there is no analog audio to fall back upon in the even that the digital signal fails. But DRM's big advantage is that it is 1/3rd the bandwidth of AM IBOC, so you can actually put it on the air without totally trashing neighboring channels on the dial. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 16:07:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90281 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 00:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2005 00:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 00:07:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 79952 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jan 2005 00:07:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=omm/R4pzIfHxS52OwE0XCUviQE1GeWC6PGDX8aCFKa3dBZzNrK0ZZ95beuYXatj4aM37Gh1NSF9WPl2ksCQtHIkH06jEwOrdFBj3JyUcyIobgdUngO0Nh5J7dOASxXsyBnJAt7scHTPwX0Kq900rlX+ROGtZLbIqdUQ+7iQNDgI= ; Message-ID: <20050120000753.79950.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.87] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:07:53 PST Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:07:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1440khz DRM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > > Using my Elektor DRM radio with the sound card I > get results with > > the new test transmission from RTL in Germany. > 19.66kbps Stereo > > modeon 1440 sounds good. Well > Somehow I just don't think a stereo bitrate less > than 20 kbps and > "sounds good" can be used in the same sentence. And > unfortunately, > it seems that DRM has to use very low bitrates in > order to provide > an acceptable signal, because unlike IBOC, there is > no analog audio > to fall back upon in the even that the digital > signal fails. True BUT BUT..... > But DRM's big advantage is that it is 1/3rd the > bandwidth of AM IBOC, > so you can actually put it on the air without > totally trashing > neighboring channels on the dial. Not necessarily true, Deutsche Welle's DRM in the upper 50 KHZ of 75 meters( I don't know the exact frequency) has generated complaintts of WIDE interference from hams. But that region for HF is legal in Europe. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Jan 19 16:47:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90175 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 00:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2005 00:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 00:47:34 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.198]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:47:32 -0700 Message-ID: <006d01c4fe89$c48a7740$d503fea9@home1> To: Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:48:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2005 00:47:33.0287 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0ACCB70:01C4FE89] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: IBOC at CES X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From the NAB Radioweek email bulletin: >>> iBiquity Digital's HD Radio=AE received a CNET "Next Big Thing" award in=20 the car technology category last week during the Consumer Electronics=20 Show in Las Vegas. CNET, the online technology forecaster, says that=20 with HD Radio, "you get all the stations you already know and love over=20 the traditional AM and FM bands, only with much better sound quality. A=20 radio renaissance could be on its way." "Next Big Thing" Awards were=20 handed out in 12 categories, and iBiquity was the only radio winner in a=20 category<<< That's news to me. Most reports I heard had HD as MIA at CES. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Jan 19 16:53:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37724 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 00:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2005 00:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 00:53:36 -0000 Received: from home1 ([4.158.48.198]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:53:31 -0700 Message-ID: <008701c4fe8a$9a6b9420$d503fea9@home1> To: Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:54:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2005 00:53:32.0205 (UTC) FILETIME=[769B55D0:01C4FE8A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: exciter for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saw this posted on the Radio Guide used equipment list- posted just a few days ago for a Delta CQUAM exciter on 590. WOW's by any chance? http://www.radio-classifieds.com/classpro/cgi-bin/view.cgi scroll down a bit Scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Jan 19 17:06:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21731 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 01:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2005 01:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 01:06:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2005 01:06:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2005 01:06:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 01:06:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1082 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 217.51.144.102 Subject: Re: 1440khz DRM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > Using my Elektor DRM radio with the sound card I get results with > > the new test transmission from RTL in Germany. 19.66kbps Stereo > > modeon 1440 sounds good. > > Somehow I just don't think a stereo bitrate less than 20 kbps and > "sounds good" can be used in the same sentence. NO well but it's good for DRM anyway, It's not bad really. I'll upload a short segment soon. still in the experienmtal stage I guess. It's far better than any UK am mono station anyway. It is 23 duing the day but sig is too weak for any decoding... And unfortunately, > it seems that DRM has to use very low bitrates in order to provide > an acceptable signal, because unlike IBOC, there is no analog audio > to fall back upon in the even that the digital signal fails. > RTL and DW seem to use no lower than 17 mostly. It sounds near FM quality. 15 or lower while more robust is just like analogue AM... Have a look at the forums on http://www.drmrx.org/forum/ There are 518 pots about 1440 alone! From matthew.trim@eds.com Wed Jan 19 17:42:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23942 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 01:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2005 01:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 01:42:07 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0K1g1Bl021116 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:42:01 +1100 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0K1fwuL028323 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:41:58 +1100 Received: from ausym000.apac.corp.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0K1fwsD028318 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:41:58 +1100 Received: by ausym000.apac.corp.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:41:56 +1100 Message-ID: <1A3B6CF82D867E4DA14E074DE01D1728233CA3@aubwm208.apac.corp.eds.com> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:41:52 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.169.189.141 From: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: 1440khz DRM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Yeah, DRM literally delivers 20 kbps using 4.5khz of audio bandwidth) - very impressive. DRM would have great prospects in the Australia and the US as a higher quality format if the DRM consortium mandated all receivers to be compatible with the "double channel" version, which allows 10khz audio occupancy to deliver 40kbps+ of data. This would allow almost CD quality audio as I believe the codec is aacplusv2 P-stereo like Orban Opticodec - www.opticodec.net Sadly, they have not mandated "double channel" support in DRM receivers and so it is unlikely we will see many stations transmit using this method which only occupies 9/10khz audio bandwidth unlike IBOC which occupies 15-20khz and trashes adjacent channels. I feel 20-26kbps stereo to be too low a quality to be deemed acceptable to most listeners. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 20 January 2005 9:56 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: 1440khz DRM Stereo > Using my Elektor DRM radio with the sound card I get results with the > new test transmission from RTL in Germany. 19.66kbps Stereo modeon > 1440 sounds good. Somehow I just don't think a stereo bitrate less than 20 kbps and "sounds good" can be used in the same sentence. And unfortunately, it seems that DRM has to use very low bitrates in order to provide an acceptable signal, because unlike IBOC, there is no analog audio to fall back upon in the even that the digital signal fails. But DRM's big advantage is that it is 1/3rd the bandwidth of AM IBOC, so you can actually put it on the air without totally trashing neighboring channels on the dial. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Over 1 billion served! The most music videos on the web. 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Groups Links From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 22:36:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20507 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 06:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2005 06:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 06:36:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2005 06:36:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2005 06:36:40 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1965 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 03:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2005 03:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 03:35:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2005 03:35:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2005 03:35:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:35:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050119211841.22265.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 649 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.9 Subject: {AMSF} Re: 1440khz DRM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Jan 2005 06:36:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > There is no analog. There is an experimental hybrid mode. Most who use DRM, however, don't use it. > DRM and IBOC could have been compatible. But then > Ibiquity couldn't get BIG licensing fees. IBOC is part of the ITU standard proposal that includes DRM, but yes, otherwise, they're incompatible (not so much in transmission scheme, even though they take different approaches, but in the audio and data streams used), and this proprietary incompatibility is part of why iBiquity charges such outrageous fees. The rest is pure greed. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 22:36:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24969 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 06:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2005 06:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 06:36:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2005 06:36:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2005 06:36:26 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58061 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 03:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2005 03:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 03:29:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2005 03:29:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2005 03:29:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:29:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1716 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.9 Subject: Re: 1440khz DRM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Jan 2005 06:36:27 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > For those of us in the US - who haven't heard of DRM before - what > are some of the details about how it operates? Do you have adjacent > channel destruction the way IBOC does over here? Do you have to > limit audio bandwidth to 5 kHz? DRM is literally on-carrier, not wideband subcarrier as IBOC is. It only comes in two forms: a 9kHz bandpass version with NO analog audio, and a similar bandwidth, but with the DRM riding the quadrature of the analog audio, but with no redundancy- so- called "hybrid" mode. (This is a bit simplified, but these are the basics.) > seems to be a real effort to discredit dissenters like Leonard Kahn. Leonard Kahn did it to himself. He quite literally is the Ralph Nader of AM stereo. But moreso, much of the discrediting against AMS enthusiasts have been to use Kahn against us. > But this won't always be the case. 5 years, 10 years down the line > when the whole IBOC thing implodes (the AM band is unlistenable, > people aren't buying radios) - it will be up to us to pick up the > pieces left by bad engineering and propose something that might > actually work. Maybe this DRM? DRM is presently more incompatible with analog radio, since it's all digital noise. It's more stable than IBOC, but it has no analog to fall back on when things get bad. It uses an open-source AAC+SBR system, so it isn't proprietary (you can now transmit with DRM on the cheap), so that's a plus. If you really want to know just how DRM performs in the "real world", I STRONGLY recommend checking this site: http://www.owdjim.gen.nz/chris/radio/DRM/ It isn't pretty. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 22:36:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26798 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 06:36:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2005 06:36:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 06:36:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2005 06:36:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2005 06:36:59 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12735 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 03:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2005 03:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 03:42:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2005 03:41:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2005 03:41:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:41:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050119221217.75142.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 891 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.9 Subject: {AMSF} Re: 1440khz DRM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Jan 2005 06:36:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > > DRM and IBOC could have been compatible. But then > > Ibiquity couldn't get BIG licensing fees. > > AND keep things proprietary and totally under wraps > UNLIKE DRM. That said, on HF you'd better have a near > perfect signal for it to decode. It [DRM] handles > interference poorly. I'd expect IBOC to do worse. Proprietary until the exclusivity rights on the patents expire- Most of which are several years old, now, and may expire between 2010 and 2015. After that...they drop it like a hot potato. And where does that leave mediumwave broadcasting? IBOC, at least, can fall back on that most horrid of things, ANALOG AM.... Isn't that why IBOC is supposed to be introduced, to replace AM? Stupid, stupid, stupid. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Fri Jan 21 10:03:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26513 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 18:03:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2005 18:03:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.182) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 18:03:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:03:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 69.68.163.154 by BAY22-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:02:59 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:02:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2005 18:03:01.0461 (UTC) FILETIME=[725D9050:01C4FFE3] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.182 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [69.68.163.154] Subject: ftp.amstereoradio.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd where did it go to???? also anyone download a copy of my PDF copy of the (/\/\) 1300 Manual? if so i need a copy as i lost mine Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis (kc8gpd) Universal Life Ministries [ULC] http://www.freecycle.org http://www.part15.us From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 21 13:44:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39883 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 21:44:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2005 21:44:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 21:44:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@69.105.82.1 with login) by smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 21:44:43 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c50002$8a583ba0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:45:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.83 From: Subject: Michael Powell X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Last i herd to day that Michael Powell is going to step down by the end of march. Now we need to get a guy that is a engineer and pro analog and c-quam. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 21 16:01:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11063 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 00:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2005 00:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 00:01:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2005 00:01:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2005 00:01:52 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2781 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 20:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2005 20:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 20:29:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2005 20:29:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2005 20:29:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:29:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 60 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.157 Subject: FCC Chairman Powell to resign X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 22 Jan 2005 00:01:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From Yahoo! News: http://tinyurl.com/3vczp Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 21 17:22:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42111 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 01:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2005 01:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 01:22:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 57126 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jan 2005 01:22:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=JcrvqHArK4wqxjLikTQGhM1b9qbSvBN/3mkBjGBJtECG9ut8m7NkN/cbSV4yy/aJPdZdzFECjciTS3oBUP026qtUu7zD//Xg+E4SP6wB2W2xOBWzLm8zQIyIY+GgcXnd4hBJBTZ99uziW+VMsnpQa3/fWzUEvCKEr43zE0irIvY= ; Message-ID: <20050122012237.57124.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.117] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:22:37 PST Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:22:37 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000801c50002$8a583ba0$c188fea9@jimsmith> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Michael Powell X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi Gang Last i herd to day that Michael Powell is > going to step down by the end of march. Now we need > to get a guy that is a engineer and pro analog and > c-quam. Jim Smith Me Powell ( the REAL one!) ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 21 18:35:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21570 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 02:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2005 02:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 02:35:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2005 02:35:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2005 02:35:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:34:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050122012237.57124.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 437 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 68.124.97.175 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Michael Powell X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- jimsmith95663@s... wrote: > > > Hi Gang Last i herd to day that Michael Powell is > > going to step down by the end of march. Now we need > > to get a guy that is a engineer and pro analog and > > c-quam. Jim Smith > > > > Me > > Powell ( the REAL one!) > > > > ===== > powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw Cool !!!!!! Jim Smith From petersdad2001@yahoo.com Sat Jan 22 00:14:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: petersdad2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31628 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 08:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2005 08:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 08:14:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2005 08:14:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2005 08:14:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:14:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 625 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Alan Oda" X-Originating-IP: 4.35.113.75 Subject: Satellite radio, etc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=79442875 X-Yahoo-Profile: petersdad2001 Hi all -- over at LARadio.com, Don Barrett was reporting on his visit to two (2) college broadcasting classes (Cal State Northridge and USC) where he was a guest speaker. His informal survey was that not one student either owned a Sirius or XM radio, nor did anyone show interest in purchasing one, save for (I think) one Howard Stern fan who may consider Sirius. Here's how it relates to this forum -- if the next generation isn't actively considering XM or Sirius, what are the chances that these future adults will buy into IBOC? Am I comparing apples to oranges, or is there some correlation here? Just a thought... From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Jan 22 00:27:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42199 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 08:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2005 08:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.241.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 08:27:12 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050122082711.OBHD5137.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:27:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <686F2DEF-6C4F-11D9-A454-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:27:09 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.38 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Satellite radio, etc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't see young people buying IBOC unless they are essentially forced=20 by the market. They don't listen to AM or FM now, so there is nothing=20 in it for them. I bet many only own the radio that came with the car or=20 that they bought to play something else. As to Don's survey, I think it is a bit premature. Satellite is still=20 very new. When the radios get smaller and even cheaper, I think you'll=20 see more interest. The same thing happened to (using his examples) cell=20 phones, high speed internet (which many get free in their dorms) and=20 MP3 players. None of those product categories took off right away. In=20 the case of cell phones, it took YEARS. Actually in the case of all of=20 them it took years. I never would have considered satellite myself even a year ago. Now I'm=20 hooked. And many of my high school students HAVE expressed interest,=20 especially regarding Howard Stern. Richard Wagoner On Jan 22, 2005, at 12:14 AM, Alan Oda wrote: > > Hi all -- over at LARadio.com, Don Barrett was reporting on his visit > to two (2) college broadcasting classes (Cal State Northridge and USC) > where he was a guest speaker.=A0 His informal survey was that not one > student either owned a Sirius or XM radio, nor did anyone show > interest in purchasing one, save for (I think) one Howard Stern fan > who may consider Sirius.=A0 Here's how it relates to this forum -- if > the next generation isn't actively considering XM or Sirius, what are > the chances that these future adults will buy into IBOC?=A0 Am I > comparing apples to oranges, or is there some correlation here?=A0 Just > a thought... > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <122603_LREC_bkup_BR_Ashanti.jpg> > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 22 01:25:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22105 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 09:25:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2005 09:25:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.181) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 09:25:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.126.221.91 with login) by smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 09:25:16 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c50064$668eeea0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:26:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.181 From: Subject: if i was X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang If i was in charge of the am band i would dump ICRAP and or move to another band. I would make all music stations go to wide analog c-quam am stereo and i would make mono stereo optoinal to talk stations and make shure that all radios would be c-quam off the line in to the us. I think that would be about the only way to do it to make am stereo to make a come back. Just my 2 cents. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Sat Jan 22 07:05:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53789 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 15:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2005 15:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 15:05:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2005 15:05:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2005 15:05:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:05:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 378 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.116.195 Subject: DRM Radios/was Re: 1440khz DRM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Question for the 'across the big ponders": How is the progress of DRM receivers coming along?? I know the majority of them at this point (or last time I checked) were PC-based receivers, with a few prototype 'actual radios'. Was wondering if anything had materialized (materialised for you folks, just kidding), in the way of actual physical DRM receivers. --tony/miami From radio603@malmo2.net Sat Jan 22 07:16:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52882 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 15:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2005 15:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO labs2.net) (82.209.166.11) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 15:16:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 9884 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 15:14:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [82.209.145.147]) ([82.209.145.147]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Jan 2005 15:14:23 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.7.2]); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:18:23 +0100 Message-ID: <001101c50095$9ce975c0$9391d152@bredband2.com> To: References: Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:18:22 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 82.209.166.11 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: Re: {AMSF} DRM Radios/was Re: 1440khz DRM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Antony, test this www.drm.org Roy in Sweden www.amradio.se ----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: {AMSF} DRM Radios/was Re: 1440khz DRM Stereo Question for the 'across the big ponders": How is the progress of DRM receivers coming along?? I know the majority of them at this point (or last time I checked) were PC-based receivers, with a few prototype 'actual radios'. Was wondering if anything had materialized (materialised for you folks, just kidding), in the way of actual physical DRM receivers. --tony/miami Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 2005-01-21 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 22 10:46:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96555 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 18:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2005 18:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 18:46:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2005 18:46:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2005 18:46:26 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45388 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 18:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2005 18:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 18:27:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2005 18:27:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2005 18:27:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:27:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 540 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.127 Subject: DRM Radios/was Re: 1440khz DRM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 22 Jan 2005 18:46:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > Question for the 'across the big ponders": > > How is the progress of DRM receivers coming along?? I know the > majority of them at this point (or last time I checked) were PC- based > receivers, with a few prototype 'actual radios'. Was wondering if > anything had materialized (materialised for you folks, just kidding), > in the way of actual physical DRM receivers. The first commercial stand-alone radios are due out later this year. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From petersdad2001@yahoo.com Sat Jan 22 13:00:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: petersdad2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33179 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 21:00:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2005 21:00:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 21:00:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2005 21:00:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2005 21:00:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:00:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <686F2DEF-6C4F-11D9-A454-000D9356B656@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2794 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Alan Oda" X-Originating-IP: 4.35.112.44 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Satellite radio, etc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=79442875 X-Yahoo-Profile: petersdad2001 Good points Richard -- satellite is still new, I expect it to become more popular as prices on the units start to fall. I think I was more intrigued with the idea that IBOC is being billed as "revolutionary" for broadcasters, yet I wonder how interested people will be in the future. HDTV is still not tremendously popular, but like satellite, may simply need time to catch on and prices to become cheaper. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I don't see young people buying IBOC unless they are essentially forced=20 > by the market. They don't listen to AM or FM now, so there is nothing=20 > in it for them. I bet many only own the radio that came with the car or=20 > that they bought to play something else. >=20 > As to Don's survey, I think it is a bit premature. Satellite is still=20 > very new. When the radios get smaller and even cheaper, I think you'll=20 > see more interest. The same thing happened to (using his examples) cell=20 > phones, high speed internet (which many get free in their dorms) and=20 > MP3 players. None of those product categories took off right away. In=20 > the case of cell phones, it took YEARS. Actually in the case of all of=20 > them it took years. >=20 > I never would have considered satellite myself even a year ago. Now I'm=20 > hooked. And many of my high school students HAVE expressed interest,=20 > especially regarding Howard Stern. >=20 > Richard Wagoner >=20 > On Jan 22, 2005, at 12:14 AM, Alan Oda wrote: >=20 > > > > Hi all -- over at LARadio.com, Don Barrett was reporting on his visit > > to two (2) college broadcasting classes (Cal State Northridge and USC) > > where he was a guest speaker. His informal survey was that not one > > student either owned a Sirius or XM radio, nor did anyone show > > interest in purchasing one, save for (I think) one Howard Stern fan > > who may consider Sirius. Here's how it relates to this forum -- if > > the next generation isn't actively considering XM or Sirius, what are > > the chances that these future adults will buy into IBOC? Am I > > comparing apples to oranges, or is there some correlation here? Just > > a thought... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <122603_LREC_bkup_BR_Ashanti.jpg> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >=20=20 > > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >=20=20 > > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > > Service. > > > >=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Sat Jan 22 22:25:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87817 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 06:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2005 06:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.175.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 06:25:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:25:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.0.17.189 by BAY104-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 06:24:24 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [badeditproductions@hotmail.com] X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:24:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2005 06:25:00.0708 (UTC) FILETIME=[44514E40:01C50114] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.175.79 From: "Joe Collins" X-Originating-IP: [68.0.17.189] Subject: WHAT IS HIP? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone here pointed out that all of the kids in their class listened to Arrow in LA instead of any of the stations playing newer music. Since I read that I've been hearing the same sort of things from folks all over the place. What's really wild is the fact that my 15 year old son was asking me to send him some music today and you know what he wanted? Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Eagles and Steely Dan. I was a little taken aback and thought that maybe he was just trying to impress me by showing a extra little interest in Dad's music. I pressed him to find out what he was really into and he convinced me that he sincerely wanted this stuff because he liked it and he thought that most of today's music was crap... You know, I just thought I was getting old because I think all of the new stuff is somewhere between mediocre and awful but when the kids start telling you that it really says something. It makes me wonder... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoexp@yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 00:01:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoexp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20339 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 08:01:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2005 08:01:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54606.mail.yahoo.com) (68.142.225.190) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 08:01:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 74049 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2005 08:01:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=mHB5O3ZSXqep5lXFPH44w8D8potRBFFnCiTx9ml6G7kV3t93T8rNsnzwbTvs4WvuSOBghqDRaHOVuUNcWMdd7cGsjB+jCPYzkkF/kom5GWLgyuQFnqtWXzQPURfquGOPeH4JA9K7A7kO9XlgCKIm/w0mkEuYx4H0kM/D1WBU4CI= ; Message-ID: <20050123080115.74047.qmail@web54606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.77.5] by web54606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:01:14 PST Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:01:14 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.142.225.190 From: Kevin Tekel Subject: Fwd: KAAM Dallas back in Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78550888 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoexp --- Ed Padget wrote: > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:31:38 -0600 > From: Ed Padget > To: amstereoexp@yahoo.com > Subject: KAAM Dallas back in Stereo > > I had emailed last week after our beloved KAAM Stereo 770 had been mono > for several days. They are back in stereo now for the time being anyway. > Apparently according to the engineer, the backup transmitter which is > mono kicked in during a storm, and it took them 4 days to reset things. > > I have pleaded with them until I am sure they are sick and tired of > hearing from me to at least leave on the C-QUAM until AM digital > actually gets here. Maybe they will. > > KMKI ABC Disney 620, on the other hand, has been mono for a full week > now. No more "Who Let the Dogs Out" in stereo. I emailed and phoned. > No response so far. > > Ed Padget Dallas > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 01:30:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66082 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 09:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2005 09:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 09:30:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2005 09:30:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2005 09:30:57 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69874 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 07:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2005 07:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 07:56:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2005 07:56:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2005 07:56:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 07:56:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3107 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.136 Subject: Re: WHAT IS HIP? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 23 Jan 2005 09:30:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From my experience, oldies and classic rock have perhaps the widest appeal of any music genres, but that these are older works, the labels don't make nearly as much money on them, except for a select few artists and groups. (I think less than 2 dozen artists & groups from the 1950s through the early-mid 1980s are still big moneymakers, such as Elvis, the Beatles and the Stones.) Out of over a dozen local stations, one of the top stations here locally is oldies- KKHB "Cool 105.5", a Jones Network "Good Times, Great Oldies" station. The only network station at the top, here. As for more modern music, while there have been some really good gems in recent years, overall I agree with the assessment of today's music not being all that good. I much prefer Keane's "Somewhere Only We Know" and the stuff from Maroon 5 over most of what I hear in today's music. I think the last really good year for pop music was 1996, although 1998 had some good stuff- Particularly when Sugar Ray started having a few really good hits. But that was also when kids, teens and college-age young adults started tuning out and looking for alternative venues for music, and MP3s started making their mark online. (Alot of that range started going for European techno- some of it quite good- but most of it the Big Labels refused to touch, as they just couldn't market it the way they did with conventional pop music.) So what are the under-25s listening to today? Just as the trend away from programmed pop started in the 1990s, , they're still looking for alternatives. Most of what gets heard are discoveries plaied at parties, mostly, and they get turned on to artists by their peers. When all else fails, the fallback is on the REAL rock & pop of the first 30 years of the Rock & Roll Era- the largely-pre-MTV age of music. Even alot of newer artists today try to reflect that influence, when the music, not the image, mattered. I think kids today do want more optimistic music, instead of the angst-ridden stuff, and that's being reflected. Personally, I think Keane's "Somewhere Only We Know" is one of the best darn love songs I've heard in years (about the rekindling of a lost/past love), and one of the first in years to bring me to tears since Rod Stewart's "If We Fall In Love Tonight", back in '96. I think there will always be both good and bad music, but I do think the record companies have largely dropped the ball when it comes to actually listening to what the consumers want. But then, there are too few avenues to get the music out or to get market feedback- A reason why commercial music sales have been slumping as it has been. Unfortunately, with such a concentrated ownership of outlets, there is too much of a stranglehold to make much difference. It would be nice if Top 40 mattered, and actually meant it, not the Broadcast Owner's Top Picks of the Week, which is what it has since become. Music- old AND new- still matter to the under-25ers, but not on the broadcasters' or record labels' terms. Our kids are listening. Are we? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From brucec@mindspring.com Sun Jan 23 06:06:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12134 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 14:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2005 14:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 14:06:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2005 14:04:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2005 14:04:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:04:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050123080115.74047.qmail@web54606.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 4.252.253.169 Subject: KMKI back in stereo --- X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > > KMKI ABC Disney 620, on the other hand, has been mono for a full week > > now. No more "Who Let the Dogs Out" in stereo. I emailed and phoned. > > No response so far. They were back in stereo as of Friday night (at least), I had another report they were in stereo Friday morning. On Saturday, they were still in stereo. Audio bandwidth appears limited, but not as bad as KAAM. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 13:32:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85208 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 21:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2005 21:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14226.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.110) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 21:32:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 86384 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2005 21:32:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=k8ajlpEjwJQAneHuB8vb+DmfTzIGu591rcoD9uFXqLQ9Krt4GDMlwVhtp+3c8MDnClQ2xw11HiRH7WdF9v81d85K+o9pax8CgdwZoCVksNwmFhmOQ1Uj0M30Rbv8frxcursuOSfhKDM4A/3ST4D46vkEVhcWg6GjLL+KbtHYbUc= ; Message-ID: <20050123213207.86382.qmail@web14226.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.61.40] by web14226.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:32:07 PST Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:32:07 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.171.110 From: "John P." Subject: OT: Late Night Johnny :( X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I don't know if the AM station he worked at ever installed AM stereo, but if you haven't already heard, talented late night talk show king Johnny Carson has left us for the great spotlights in the sky after giving us all a pleasant chuckle for 30 years. They'll never be another like him. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Sun Jan 23 14:16:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93381 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 22:16:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2005 22:16:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 22:16:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2005 22:16:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2005 22:16:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:16:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3924 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: WHAT IS HIP? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: >=20 >=20 > From my experience, oldies and classic rock have perhaps the widest=20 > appeal of any music genres, but that these are older works, the=20 > labels don't make nearly as much money on them, except for a select=20 > few artists and groups. (I think less than 2 dozen artists & groups=20 > from the 1950s through the early-mid 1980s are still big=20 moneymakers,=20 > such as Elvis, the Beatles and the Stones.) >=20 > Out of over a dozen local stations, one of the top stations here=20 > locally is oldies- KKHB "Cool 105.5", a Jones Network "Good Times,=20 > Great Oldies" station. The only network station at the top, here. >=20 > As for more modern music, while there have been some really good=20 gems=20 > in recent years, overall I agree with the assessment of today's=20 music=20 > not being all that good. I much prefer Keane's "Somewhere Only We=20 > Know" and the stuff from Maroon 5 over most of what I hear in=20 today's=20 > music. >=20 > I think the last really good year for pop music was 1996, although=20 > 1998 had some good stuff- Particularly when Sugar Ray started=20 having=20 > a few really good hits. But that was also when kids, teens and=20 > college-age young adults started tuning out and looking for=20 > alternative venues for music, and MP3s started making their mark=20 > online. (Alot of that range started going for European techno- some=20 > of it quite good- but most of it the Big Labels refused to touch,=20 as=20 > they just couldn't market it the way they did with conventional pop=20 > music.) >=20 > So what are the under-25s listening to today? Just as the trend=20 away=20 > from programmed pop started in the 1990s, , they're still looking=20 for=20 > alternatives. Most of what gets heard are discoveries plaied at=20 > parties, mostly, and they get turned on to artists by their peers.=20 > When all else fails, the fallback is on the REAL rock & pop of the=20 > first 30 years of the Rock & Roll Era- the largely-pre-MTV age of=20 > music. >=20 > Even alot of newer artists today try to reflect that influence,=20 when=20 > the music, not the image, mattered. >=20 > I think kids today do want more optimistic music, instead of the=20 > angst-ridden stuff, and that's being reflected. Personally, I think=20 > Keane's "Somewhere Only We Know" is one of the best darn love songs=20 > I've heard in years (about the rekindling of a lost/past love), and=20 > one of the first in years to bring me to tears since Rod=20 > Stewart's "If We Fall In Love Tonight", back in '96. >=20 > I think there will always be both good and bad music, but I do=20 think=20 > the record companies have largely dropped the ball when it comes to=20 > actually listening to what the consumers want. >=20 > But then, there are too few avenues to get the music out or to get=20 > market feedback- A reason why commercial music sales have been=20 > slumping as it has been. Unfortunately, with such a concentrated=20 > ownership of outlets, there is too much of a stranglehold to make=20 > much difference. >=20 > It would be nice if Top 40 mattered, and actually meant it, not the=20 > Broadcast Owner's Top Picks of the Week, which is what it has since=20 > become. >=20 > Music- old AND new- still matter to the under-25ers, but not on the=20 > broadcasters' or record labels' terms. >=20 > Our kids are listening. Are we? >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Amy, Very interesting and well thought out comments! I think you just=20 about summed it up. I think maybe that one of the reasons kids are starting to get=20 interested in 60's, 70's and 80's rock is because a lot of the newer=20 bands are showing that influence and the kids are curious about those=20 influences. It's all a big damn circle! When I was a teenager in=20 the 80's, 60's Rock and R&B was all the rage with the group I ran=20 with. I found out later that that movement had a name: The Paisley=20 Underground. It was a big influence on groups like The Bangles,=20 Motels and many others=85 From kya1260@lycos.com Sun Jan 23 15:02:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61672 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 23:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2005 23:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 23:02:59 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 93762180013F for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:02:59 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 23 Jan 2005 23:02:59 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7AC6DE5BC7; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:02:59 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:02:59 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:02:59 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050123230259.7AC6DE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Jay Arnold" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.95.242 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Michael Powell X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- jimsmith95663@s... wrote: > > > > > Hi Gang Last i herd to day that Michael Powell is > > > going to step down by the end of march. Now we need > > > to get a guy that is a engineer and pro analog and > > > c-quam. Jim Smith > > Me > > Powell ( the REAL one!) > Cool !!!!!! Jim Smith Agreed!!! --Jay Arnold KVON 1440 AM Stereo GoldVine Host/Producer What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 18:32:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 73800 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 02:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2005 02:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 02:32:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2005 02:32:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2005 02:32:22 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12723 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 23:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2005 23:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 23:05:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2005 23:05:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2005 23:05:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:05:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2407 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.136 Subject: Re: WHAT IS HIP? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 24 Jan 2005 02:32:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" =20 wrote: > Amy, >=20 > Very interesting and well thought out comments! I think you just=20 > about summed it up. Thank you. > I think maybe that one of the reasons kids are starting to get=20 > interested in 60's, 70's and 80's rock is because a lot of the=20 newer=20 > bands are showing that influence and the kids are curious about=20 those=20 > influences. It's all a big damn circle! When I was a teenager in=20 > the 80's, 60's Rock and R&B was all the rage with the group I ran=20 > with. I found out later that that movement had a name: The Paisley=20 > Underground. It was a big influence on groups like The Bangles,=20 > Motels and many others=85 "Retro" has always been in- It's just a matter of which=20 perspective. :) I mean, early '80s American music saw a "Grease"-inspired '50s=20 revival, especially with acts like Brian Setzer's Stray Cats. The=20 Motown Sound got to be really big, thanks to Wham! and Phil Collins,=20 and of course, the Bangles. TodaAy's influence is the college rock of=20 the early 1970s- Alot of today's performers do sound like they would=20 fit in with the post-Hippie sound. Even groups like Maroon 5 are=20 taking their cue from the peak period of Aussie pop & rock from the=20 early '80s- You can hear Split Enz/Crowded House in Maroon 5's sound! The kids today want a sound that WORKS, something they know has=20 worked before. Reminds me of the old adage: "The more things change, the more they=20 stay the same." :) Oh, there will be new sounds- There always are! But the new will draw=20 from the best of the old. It shows the kids ARE listening to their=20 musical heritage. Keane's "Somewhere Only We Know" has been cited by listeners as=20 having been influenced by Radiohead. Did they forget Electric Light=20 Orchestra and post-ELO Jeff Lynne? Where do you think Radiohead got=20 THEIR influence? (The song is Beatlesque, but only in terms of ELO=20 being Beatlesque, and has more in common with the later ELO sound=20 than it does with the Beatles.) Retro sounds will always be heard, and retro influences will always=20 be found in new sounds, be they Texas swing of the Squirrel Nut=20 Zippers or the soul-rock of Lenny Kravitz- or whatever else comes to=20 mind- the music will go on, with or without radio or the labels. The industry refuses to listen, but the kids are. Eventually, something will give way. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 23:20:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54119 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 07:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2005 07:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 07:20:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2005 07:20:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2005 07:20:09 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17497 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 06:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2005 06:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 06:31:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2005 06:31:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2005 06:31:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:30:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 937 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: KMKI back in stereo --- KDIS still is X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 24 Jan 2005 07:20:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 Today KDIS (L.A.) was still in full 10kHz stereo. hmm... though... looks like KDIS might be a bit of a difficult aircheck at night next Friday evening from Chino (if I go...) Next time I'm likely to be in L.A. is second sunday in Feb. I wonder if the stereo will hold out till then. I'm still waiting to get a solid-signal AMS aircheck of I Am by Hilary Duff... and today I got decent ones of a Linkin Park song and Dare You to Move by Switchfoot. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > > > KMKI ABC Disney 620, on the other hand, has been mono for a full > week > > > now. No more "Who Let the Dogs Out" in stereo. I emailed and > phoned. > > > No response so far. > > They were back in stereo as of Friday night (at least), I had > another report they were in stereo Friday morning. On Saturday, > they were still in stereo. Audio bandwidth appears limited, but not > as bad as KAAM. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 23:20:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83756 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 07:20:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2005 07:20:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 07:20:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2005 07:19:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2005 07:19:49 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34047 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 05:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2005 05:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 05:34:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2005 05:34:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2005 05:34:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:34:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 529 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.234 Subject: Re: ftp.amstereoradio.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 24 Jan 2005 07:19:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > where did it go to???? also anyone download a copy of my PDF copy of the > (/\/\) 1300 Manual? if so i need a copy as i lost mine The FTP site is still there, but doesn't seem to want to work with MSIE. I recommend getting a free FTP client, like SmartFTP, which will access the site. I just checked yesterday, and the only exciter I can see whose manual is up there is the Delta. I'm sorry you lost your copy. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Jan 23 23:32:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48320 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 07:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2005 07:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 07:32:06 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050124073205.UWAC28808.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:32:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <0AC02B7C-6DDA-11D9-A194-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:32:03 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.28 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMKI back in stereo --- KDIS still is X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Someone previously said that IBOC can't be used on 1110 due to Mexican=20 protection. Is that true? On Jan 23, 2005, at 10:30 PM, pianoplayer88key wrote: > > > Today KDIS (L.A.) was still in full 10kHz stereo. > hmm... though... looks like KDIS might be a bit of a difficult > aircheck at night next Friday evening from Chino (if I go...) Next > time I'm likely to be in L.A. is second sunday in Feb.=A0 I wonder if > the stereo will hold out till then.=A0 I'm still waiting to get a > solid-signal AMS aircheck of I Am by Hilary Duff... and today I got > decent ones of a Linkin Park song and Dare You to Move by Switchfoot. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" =20 > wrote: > > > > > > KMKI ABC Disney 620, on the other hand, has been mono for a full > > week > > > > now. No more "Who Let the Dogs Out" in stereo. I emailed and > > phoned. > > > > No response so far. > > > > They were back in stereo as of Friday night (at least), I had > > another report they were in stereo Friday morning.=A0 On Saturday, > > they were still in stereo.=A0 Audio bandwidth appears limited, but not > > as bad as KAAM. > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <122603_LREC_bkup_BR_Ashanti.jpg> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Jan 24 02:24:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98711 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 10:24:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2005 10:24:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 10:24:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2005 10:24:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2005 10:24:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:24:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 114 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 62.55.107.1 Subject: DRM Radios/was Re: 1440khz DRM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan > The first commercial stand-alone radios are due out later this year. > Talk of June even but unlikely I think From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Mon Jan 24 04:51:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39205 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 12:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2005 12:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.197) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 12:51:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 04:51:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 69.34.164.64 by BAY22-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:50:01 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:49:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2005 12:51:00.0897 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B477110:01C50213] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.197 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [69.34.164.64] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ftp.amstereoradio.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank You Amy:) Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis (kc8gpd) Universal Life Ministries [ULC] http://www.freecycle.org http://www.part15.us [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Jan 24 09:55:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57880 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 17:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2005 17:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 17:55:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2005 17:55:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2005 17:55:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:55:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050123080115.74047.qmail@web54606.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 344 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 Subject: Re: Fwd: KAAM Dallas back in Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << I had emailed last week after our beloved KAAM Stereo 770 had been mono for several days. They are back in stereo now for the time being anyway. Apparently according to the engineer, the backup transmitter which is mono kicked in during a storm, and it took them 4 days to reset things. >> Still 6 kHz fidelity, though. Very stubborn. From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Jan 24 10:27:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46332 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 18:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2005 18:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 18:27:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2005 18:27:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2005 18:27:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:27:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 578 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.94.94.105 Subject: Re: Fwd: KAAM Dallas back in Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > > << I had emailed last week after our beloved KAAM Stereo 770 had been > mono for several days. They are back in stereo now for the time being > anyway. Apparently according to the engineer, the backup transmitter > which is mono kicked in during a storm, and it took them 4 days to > reset things. >> > > Still 6 kHz fidelity, though. Very stubborn. Strange - I don't seem to remember any such storm in the last three weeks. We havne't had rain at all in a long time. Makes you wonder! From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Mon Jan 24 14:41:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83856 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 22:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2005 22:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.171) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 22:41:09 -0000 Received: from user-2994.l1.c6.dsl.pol.co.uk ([84.66.139.178] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CtCtQ-0008SB-P7 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:41:08 +0000 Message-ID: <6VzgI7V1kX9BFwhD@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:39:49 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.195.171 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: New Sony? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man True or miss-typed: http://www.radiodirectory.com/usstoreproductsB00005NND2.html -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Jan 24 17:56:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35407 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2005 01:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2005 01:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao12.cox.net) (68.230.241.27) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2005 01:56:17 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050125015615.JOGL1664.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:56:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <6VzgI7V1kX9BFwhD@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> References: <6VzgI7V1kX9BFwhD@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Message-Id: <4C4A9282-6E74-11D9-BA96-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:56:15 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.27 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Sony? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I doubt it's stereo on AM. On Jan 24, 2005, at 2:39 PM, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > True or miss-typed: > > http://www.radiodirectory.com/usstoreproductsB00005NND2.html > > -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 24 18:45:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44666 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2005 02:45:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2005 02:45:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2005 02:45:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2005 02:45:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2005 02:45:07 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74795 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 18:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2005 18:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 18:05:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2005 18:04:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2005 18:04:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:04:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 242 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.107 Subject: DRM Radios/was Re: 1440khz DRM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 25 Jan 2005 02:45:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > > The first commercial stand-alone radios are due out later this year. > > > > Talk of June even but unlikely I think I may have to agree, here. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 24 18:45:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17536 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2005 02:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2005 02:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2005 02:45:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2005 02:45:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2005 02:45:12 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50823 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 18:05:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2005 18:05:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 18:05:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2005 18:05:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2005 18:05:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:05:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 137 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.107 Subject: {AMSF} Re: ftp.amstereoradio.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 25 Jan 2005 02:45:11 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > Thank You Amy:) No problem. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 24 19:18:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76059 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2005 03:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2005 03:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2005 03:18:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2005 03:18:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2005 03:18:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:18:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4C4A9282-6E74-11D9-BA96-000D9356B656@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 613 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.3 Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Sony? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I doubt it's stereo on AM. Sony often ambiguously labels their AM mono/FM stereo radios as "FM/AM Stereo". If a Sony radio actually has AM Stereo, it will either be specifically labelled as "FM Stereo/AM Stereo", or it will say "FM/AM Stereo" and the "AM Stereo" part of the logo will be in bigger text and/or in a contrasting color. Indeed, the SRF-42 is labelled as "FM/AM Stereo", but the "AM Stereo" part is highlighted in red -- and to clear up any confusion, some SRF-42's came with a sticker which says "AM Stereo / FM Stereo": http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/srf42stk.jpg From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Jan 24 23:16:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14431 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2005 07:16:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2005 07:16:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2005 07:16:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2005 07:16:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2005 07:16:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:16:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 817 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 68.161.19.227 Subject: Re: New Sony? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio It's just the continuation of the confusion of the American public when it comes to purchasing radios and how features are detailed. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Sony often ambiguously labels their AM mono/FM stereo radios as > "FM/AM Stereo". If a Sony radio actually has AM Stereo, it will > either be specifically labelled as "FM Stereo/AM Stereo", or it will > say "FM/AM Stereo" and the "AM Stereo" part of the logo will be in > bigger text and/or in a contrasting color. > > Indeed, the SRF-42 is labelled as "FM/AM Stereo", but the "AM Stereo" > part is highlighted in red -- and to clear up any confusion, some > SRF-42's came with a sticker which says "AM Stereo / FM Stereo": > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/srf42stk.jpg From wa2fnq@optonline.net Tue Jan 25 07:04:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44415 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2005 15:04:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2005 15:04:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2005 15:04:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2005 15:03:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2005 15:03:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:02:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 810 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Sony? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq If you go to Sony's site it says AM/FM Stereo. It's clearly not AM Stereo. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > I doubt it's stereo on AM. > > Sony often ambiguously labels their AM mono/FM stereo radios as > "FM/AM Stereo". If a Sony radio actually has AM Stereo, it will > either be specifically labelled as "FM Stereo/AM Stereo", or it will > say "FM/AM Stereo" and the "AM Stereo" part of the logo will be in > bigger text and/or in a contrasting color. > > Indeed, the SRF-42 is labelled as "FM/AM Stereo", but the "AM Stereo" > part is highlighted in red -- and to clear up any confusion, some > SRF-42's came with a sticker which says "AM Stereo / FM Stereo": > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/srf42stk.jpg From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 25 20:49:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74722 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2005 04:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2005 04:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2005 04:49:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2005 04:49:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2005 04:49:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 04:49:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 515 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.2 Subject: Re: New Sony? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It's just the continuation of the confusion of the American public > when it comes to purchasing radios and how features are detailed. Try buying a DVD burner for your computer.... there's like 5 or 6 different recordable DVD formats, each with a different kind of disc to buy, and hell if I know the difference between them! And I bet Michael Powell decided to resign, rather than be forced to tell the American public that a year from now, millions of analog TV sets will suddenly be rendered useless! From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Jan 25 22:03:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3717 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2005 06:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2005 06:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao07.cox.net) (68.230.241.32) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2005 06:03:33 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050126060333.SLNE21886.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:03:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <0143A929-6F60-11D9-8B84-000D9356B656@cox.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:03:31 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.32 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New Sony? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I read that it was delayed until 2009 or 2010. On Jan 25, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > And I bet Michael Powell decided to resign, rather than be forced to > tell the American public that a year from now, millions of analog TV > sets will suddenly be rendered useless! > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mark_608@hotmail.com Wed Jan 26 05:54:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11610 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2005 13:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2005 13:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2005 13:54:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 05:54:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 136.2.1.103 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:53:02 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <6VzgI7V1kX9BFwhD@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:53:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2005 13:54:02.0235 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DF554B0:01C503AE] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.186.73 From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: [136.2.1.103] Subject: RE: {AMSF} New Sony? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 I happen to own this model and unfortunately it is NOT stereo.... Mark >From: Philip de Cadenet >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} New Sony? >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:39:49 +0000 > >True or miss-typed: > >http://www.radiodirectory.com/usstoreproductsB00005NND2.html > >-- >Philip de Cadenet >Transmitters 'R' Us >http://www.transmittersrus.com > From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Jan 26 09:04:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90031 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2005 17:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2005 17:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2005 17:04:05 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.212.122]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:03:21 -0700 Message-ID: <003c01c503c9$1e86fcc0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:04:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2005 17:03:22.0160 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1005300:01C503C8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} DRM Radios/was Re: 1440khz DRM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'd be willing to experiment now that a 12kHz IF downconverter add-on board is available. Not sure where to purchase one, but I've seen them on the web... Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" > > The first commercial stand-alone radios are due out later this year. > > > > Talk of June even but unlikely I think From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Jan 26 09:07:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19678 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2005 17:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2005 17:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2005 17:07:12 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.212.122]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:07:11 -0700 Message-ID: <007101c503c9$a7706d00$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20050123213207.86382.qmail@web14226.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:08:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2005 17:07:11.0884 (UTC) FILETIME=[79ED6CC0:01C503C9] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Late Night Johnny :( X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I heard he got his start at WOW in Omaha. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > I don't know if the AM station he worked at ever installed AM stereo, but if > you haven't already heard, talented late night talk show king Johnny Carson has > left us for the great spotlights in the sky after giving us all a pleasant > chuckle for 30 years. They'll never be another like him. From kya1260@lycos.com Wed Jan 26 09:09:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68102 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2005 17:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2005 17:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2005 17:09:29 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 451321800228 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:09:29 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 26 Jan 2005 17:09:29 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0B19E86B0E; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:09:29 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:09:29 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:09:29 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050126170929.0B19E86B0E@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Jay Arnold" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.95.242 Subject: AMAX Logo; aka Re: {AMSF} New Sony? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ In addition, during the 1990s incarnation of AM Stereo,=20 AM-Stereo radios were supposed to have an "AMAX Stereo"=20 logo designation, like the Sony SRF-A42 and Denon home receiver each have... Has that AMAX designation been 'abandoned'? Can't find anything online to the contrary... --Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Sony? Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:18:46 -0000 >=20 >=20 > > I doubt it's stereo on AM. >=20 > Sony often ambiguously labels their AM mono/FM stereo radios as > "FM/AM Stereo". If a Sony radio actually has AM Stereo, it will > either be specifically labelled as "FM Stereo/AM Stereo", or it will > say "FM/AM Stereo" and the "AM Stereo" part of the logo will be in > bigger text and/or in a contrasting color. >=20 > Indeed, the SRF-42 is labelled as "FM/AM Stereo", but the "AM Stereo" > part is highlighted in red -- and to clear up any confusion, some > SRF-42's came with a sticker which says "AM Stereo / FM Stereo": >=20 > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/srf42stk.jpg What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 26 15:28:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41698 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2005 23:28:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2005 23:28:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2005 23:28:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2005 23:28:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2005 23:28:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:28:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050126170929.0B19E86B0E@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 542 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.128 Subject: AMAX Logo; aka Re: {AMSF} New Sony? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Has that AMAX designation been 'abandoned'? Can't find > anything online to the contrary... Not officially. Although the organizations which created the AMAX receiver performance standard aren't promoting it anymore, the FCC did acknowledge the existence of AMAX in its preliminary IBOC ruling. Fanfare Electronics is also currently selling an AMAX-certified AM Stereo/FM Stereo tuner (the FTA-100 series), which has the AMAX logo on its front panel and does mention AMAX in its literature: http://www.fanfare.com/fta-100-sht.html From jeffdeck@aol.com Wed Jan 26 15:54:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64630 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2005 23:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2005 23:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2005 23:54:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2005 23:54:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2005 23:54:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:54:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050126170929.0B19E86B0E@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 335 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.216.116.163 Subject: AMAX Logo; X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Check out http://amstereotuner.com You write: >In addition, during the 1990s incarnation of AM Stereo, >AM-Stereo radios were supposed to have an "AMAX Stereo" >logo designation, like the Sony SRF-A42 and Denon home >receiver each have... >Has that AMAX designation been 'abandoned'? Can't find > anything online to the contrary... From bratina501@msn.com Sat Jan 29 23:47:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67090 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 07:47:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2005 07:47:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 07:47:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2005 07:47:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2005 07:47:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:47:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003c01c503c9$1e86fcc0$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 818 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Nicholas" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.60 Subject: {AMSF} DRM Radios/was Re: 1440khz DRM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I'd be willing to experiment now that a 12kHz IF downconverter add- on board > is available. Not sure where to purchase one, but I've seen them on the I was unaware there was a 12 KHz IF downmixer but I have been trying to recieve DRM using my unmodified Sangean ATS-909 shortwave radio and 160 FT longwire antenna during broadcasts from Sackville Canada and Bonaire Netherland Antillies. I had some sucess with the program text portion but decoded no audio because of the narrow IF bandwidth on the reciever. some sucess with the data > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" > > > > The first commercial stand-alone radios are due out later this year. > > > > > > > Talk of June even but unlikely I think From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 17:24:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45794 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 01:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2005 01:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 01:24:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2005 01:23:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2005 01:23:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:23:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2648 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.128 Subject: Re: OT: Curious about an oldie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Replying to a very old thread.... from September 2003, in fact: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > Not sure if this is the best place to ask about this, but...if any > of you have ever heard Marvin Gaye's early-1970s smash "Mercy Mercy > Me" (which, like "What's Going On", is excellent AMS fodder :) ), > the ending sounds like an opera singer. OK, fine...except every > time I hear it, I can't help feeling that that's actually an early > digital sampling, done at the time when Gaye was mixing his album > in L.A., at a time when Barry Gordy hired Raymond Scott- THAT > Raymond Scott- as head of electronic music research for Motown. > > I must be nuts- It really sounds like a sampler at work. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ The answer is that this effect was created by an early form of analog sampling -- Marvin used an electric organ called the Mellotron, which instead of electrically generating its sounds, it used looped tape recordings which were activated by the keys and played at the corresponding pitches for each note. These recordings, or "samples", could be anything you'd like to have played, be it instrumental sounds, vocal effects, or whatever else you could record. Another form of analog sampling which made it into the consumer marketplace was the Optigan, which was introduced in 1970 by Mattel (yes, the toy company!) as an electric organ which optically recorded celluloid discs containing the sounds of each instrument and each note. But due to the limited fidelity of its optical playback method (even worse than that of an old optical movie audio track, with telephone-quality audio and plenty of "scratchy record" noise) and other technical limitations, the Optigan (and its later variants) could never be a serious musical instrument. Here's an excerpt from the Optigan's promotional cassette... as you can hear, the Optigan was a stereo instrument, with the backing track in one channel and the melody keys in the other channel: http://www.optigan.com/sounds/largo/promo.mp3 An excellent site on the Optigan is http://www.optigan.com/ -- they even offer CDs of music featuring the Optigan; my favorite track is "Mr. Wilson", which is maybe an example of what Keane would sound like if they used an Optigan instead of a piano: http://www.optigan.com/sounds/oy/mp3/Optiganally%20Yours%20-%20Mr%20W ilson%20studio.mp3 Even more bizarre is an audio collage of the master tapes used to make the Optigan's samples... it's a bit amusing to hear the session musicians goofing around in the studio: http://www.optigan.com/sounds/masterreel/masterreel.mp3 From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Jan 31 00:04:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25808 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 08:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2005 08:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41201.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.34) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 08:04:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 21665 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2005 08:03:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=PpOCftHD+cz95wr5d/vKcHNDJRLJB/wxrh5W8BnzSusqQOkY+etrWu1x6XDHRutmpuTVlQ0Jz/a79t+p6tPh+VwwoXJzm/3XeFAVSu7HHkKF5HWOFHxO5JaUoqMZ70TIcrl9aGztqu48/kmc3hDZ8yTPuC0BNeFbAF9iqvf3FZ4= ; Message-ID: <20050131080353.21663.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:03:53 PST Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:03:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.34 From: Michael and Ross Subject: DX OT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good DX into Auckland tonight KPNW on 1120kHz 1110 unknown talk,1140 hetrodynes American accent,1310 clear Radio Disney presume SFO? 1570 Mexican,1580 loud Radio Disney with something under it.1700 American accent unknown.Been a hot clear summers day here today. 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Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 31 00:24:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 300 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 08:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2005 08:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 08:24:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2005 08:23:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2005 08:23:43 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31057 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 07:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2005 07:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 07:02:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2005 07:01:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2005 07:01:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:01:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 311 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.219 Subject: The status of AMAX! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 31 Jan 2005 08:23:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 Not too long ago, I believe it was discussed here about the status of AMAX, well.... AMAX is dead. And I found the trademark registeries to prove it: AMAX: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=n64d5l.2.8 AMAX Stereo: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=n64d5l.2.9 Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 31 00:24:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98464 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 08:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2005 08:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 08:24:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2005 08:23:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2005 08:23:28 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81477 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 05:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2005 05:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 05:29:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2005 05:29:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2005 05:29:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:29:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 425 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.219 Subject: Re: OT: Curious about an oldie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 31 Jan 2005 08:23:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > An excellent site on the Optigan is http://www.optigan.com/ -- they Ah, more early electronic music to enjoy, and no-so-early stuff! :) I was only somewhat familiar with Optiganally Yours, since they've done a few songs here and there- including my favorite track on the Powerpuff Girls CD, titled "Walking and Chewing Gum". Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 31 01:02:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42891 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 09:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2005 09:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 09:02:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2005 09:01:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2005 09:01:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:01:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 899 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.128 Subject: Re: The status of AMAX! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Not too long ago, I believe it was discussed here about the status > of AMAX, well.... AMAX is dead. And I found the trademark > registeries to prove it: > > AMAX: > http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=n64d5l.2.8 > AMAX Stereo: > http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=n64d5l.2.9 > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Those links have expired, but I looked it up and the trademark for AMAX Stereo was cancelled in 2000, and the trademark for regular AMAX (mono) was cancelled in 2002. However, Motorola renewed their trademark for C-Quam in 1998, and it's a 10-year renewal, so the C-Quam trademark will remain in effect until 2008. C-Quam was first filed as a trademark in 1977. And, through some searching, I found that the trademarks for "iDAB", "IBOC", "IBOC DAB", and "IBOC 2000" are all dead -- they were all abandoned by USA Digital Radio, Inc., between 1999 and 2003. From badeditproductions@hotmail.com Mon Jan 31 10:25:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditproductions@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42110 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 18:25:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2005 18:25:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 18:25:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2005 18:10:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2005 18:10:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:10:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1518 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: OT: Curious about an oldie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208362586 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Hey, Probably the most famous use of a Mellotron there is is the opening=20 of "Strawberry Fields Forever" by The Beatles. It was also used to=20 great effect by The Moody Blues on "Nights In White Satin." I have=20 always been fascinated by strange musical instruments. I love to=20 pick them out when I can. One of my favorites is the toy piano.=20=20 It's on a lot of great songs but the one that pops to mind is "Summer=20 Breeze" by Seals and Crofts. Another cool instrument to listen for=20 is a Boo-Bim! It was used to open up Neil Diamonds "Soolaimon."=20=20 And, what about the bass harmonica? You'll hear it all over The=20 Beach Boys "Pet Sounds" album, The Beatles' "Being For The Benefit Of=20 Mr. Kite!" and Simon & Garfunkel's "The Boxer" That is a nifty=20 sound, too. Oh and one more I like to hear: harpsichord. Since most modern pop music is made without the contribution of=20 talented musicians, I'm afraid the days of picking out cool=20 instruments is all but gone. You know what I really hate? Electronic=20 drums!=85 Unless they are those from the 80's that were supposed to=20 sound electronic. Some of that stuff was really cool, you know?=20 Still, I'd much rather hear a talented drummer banging on some real=20 skins. In the last ten years or so, it has become common practice to=20 turn out records with perfect rhythm down to the millisecond. How=20 boring! Even the worlds best drummer can't do that and records that=20 are cut that way just don't have any feeling at all=85 At least, that's=20 my opinion. :) JC From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Jan 31 23:43:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4934 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2005 07:43:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2005 07:43:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2005 07:43:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2005 07:43:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2005 07:43:12 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55750 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 14:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2005 14:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 14:53:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2005 14:53:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2005 14:53:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:53:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050131080353.21663.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1218 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: DX OT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 01 Feb 2005 07:42:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 1580 is most likely KMIK from Tempe (Phoenix), AZ. The "something" underneath it could be spanish (but sometimes religious / english) KBLA Santa Monica (Los Angeles), CA. Both stations are 50kW, highly directional facing west / southwest. KMIK often comes in like a local at night here in El Cajon (San Diego), CA. 1570 is probably XERF from Ciudad Acu=F1a. I don't know what 1110 would be. I wonder if it's possible that it could be KFAB from Omaha, NE, but then I don't get that very well, due to 20kW directional (nighttime, throws their signal out over the pacific mostly) KDIS in Pasadena (Los Angeles), CA (Radio Disney, last I checked was still AM Stereo). --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Good DX into Auckland tonight KPNW on 1120kHz 1110 unknown talk,1140 hetrodynes American accent,1310 clear Radio Disney presume SFO? 1570 Mexican,1580 loud Radio Disney with something under it.1700 American accent unknown.Been a hot clear summers day here today. >=20=20 > Michael >=20 >=20 > Michael&Ross >=20=09=09 > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 31 23:44:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2386 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2005 07:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2005 07:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2005 07:44:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2005 07:43:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2005 07:43:11 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14853 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 20:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2005 20:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 20:40:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2005 20:39:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2005 20:39:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:39:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 717 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.104 Subject: Re: OT: Curious about an oldie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 01 Feb 2005 07:43:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: JC, my favorite novel instruments are: steel drums (think about it!), autoharp, cora (west African lute-harp) and most unusual of all, the glass armonica (invented by Ben Franklin- a series of tuned glass cups & bowls on a rotating horizontal axis). There's a Yahoo! Group for the glass armonica, for what it's worth: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/GlassArmonica/ The forum is mostly dead, but the links- as incomplete as they are- are the most links to anything armonica-related. Additionally, go to http://www.glassarmonica.com for more about the armonica and one of the players of this unique instrument. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Tue Feb 01 10:17:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55291 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2005 18:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2005 18:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2005 18:17:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2005 18:17:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2005 18:17:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:17:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1462 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 Subject: Re: OT: Curious about an oldie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" =20 wrote:=20 > Still, I'd much rather hear a talented drummer banging on some real=20 > skins. In the last ten years or so, it has become common practice=20 to=20 > turn out records with perfect rhythm down to the millisecond. How=20 > boring! Even the worlds best drummer can't do that and records=20 that=20 > are cut that way just don't have any feeling at all=85 At least,=20 that's=20 > my opinion. I agree. One of the most amazing rock performances I've ever heard is the=20 first take of "Ooh! My Soul!" by Little Richard as on the UK Ace CD=20 box set. The beat is a little unsteady and it's obvious Richard is=20 starting to run out of gas at the end of the song. Otherwise, the=20 peformance is life-enhancing, breathtaking blast of rock and roll,=20 performed at incredible speed and unrelenting fury with Richard,=20 literally, screaming the lyrics. It's astounding to listen as his=20 band, The Upsetters, tries (and mostly succeeds) to keep up with=20 him. Performed at the same Washington, DC radio studio session along=20 with the classic "Keep a Knockin'" this take of "Ooh! My Soul!" is=20 the definition of "out of control rock n' roll". By today's standards it's not technically perfect (not even close)=20 and Richard even flubs a line. And you what? It doesn't matter one=20 bit. That one take has more intensity than three seasons=20 of "American Idol" combined. Where did it all go so very wrong? Paul From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Feb 01 14:56:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59863 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2005 22:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2005 22:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2005 22:56:01 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.98]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:58:46 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c508b1$57f78500$62b50642@4bmx301> To: Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:57:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: transmitters coming again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All- I have been off the group email for a while, but I have ordered another lot of circuit boards for the Alf Lite transmitters. I was going to "retire" from making them, but a lot of email lately has me convinced that people still want them- So in about 4 or 5 weeks, there will be more transmitters. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Feb 01 18:26:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19079 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2005 02:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2005 02:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52403.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.111) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 02:26:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 9517 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2005 02:26:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Mt3gIjTY4KcEji1PLrHYiPQLt8lr+EJFQ58vKkZmU9UFtABXIRqgj9KP6KaaVgo6t9Frvt5lhhQYy4miWRyzbxro74rarVlDz5vt1kfLSWmrfrkKcWB2F3iBL46kXEsyBe5n3BhI4a06rTEtvDArf0OVSmsJCLtxiMnxZM1/61s= ; Message-ID: <20050202022638.9515.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.218.163] by web52403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:26:38 PST Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:26:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c508b1$57f78500$62b50642@4bmx301> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.111 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} transmitters coming again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Chris Cuff wrote: > Hi All- > I have been off the group email for a while, but I > have ordered another lot of circuit boards for the > Alf Lite transmitters. I was going to "retire" from > making them, but a lot of email lately has me > convinced that people still want them- So in about 4 > or 5 weeks, there will be more transmitters. > Chris I want one with 50,000 watts. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Feb 01 18:32:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48984 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2005 02:32:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2005 02:32:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 02:32:31 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.47] (pool-138-89-170-234.mad.east.verizon.net [138.89.170.234]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j122Wq0x066415 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:32:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <420038DC.20407@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:20:12 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20050202022638.9515.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050202022638.9515.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} transmitters coming again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Powell If he builds a larger Box. maybe we can add 50- 1K heater elements Just remember to have a working Flow switch for the blower Fan.... show it off and say.. WOW this little Box puts out 50kw feel the heat comming off of it.. LOL Neal Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: >--- Chris Cuff wrote: > > > >>Hi All- >>I have been off the group email for a while, but I >>have ordered another lot of circuit boards for the >>Alf Lite transmitters. I was going to "retire" from >>making them, but a lot of email lately has me >>convinced that people still want them- So in about 4 >>or 5 weeks, there will be more transmitters. >>Chris >> >> > > >I want one with 50,000 watts. > > > >Powell > >===== >powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Feb 01 18:43:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81445 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2005 02:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2005 02:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 02:43:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:43:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.107.208 by BAY101-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 02:42:40 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20050202022638.9515.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:42:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 02:43:00.0767 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9251AF0:01C508D0] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.74 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.107.208] Subject: Re: {AMSF} transmitters coming again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > I want one with 50,000 watts. Powell, you need to contact Tom Ray at WOR. They will be getting rid of a "One owner special" 50KW transmitter pretty soon. The catch is yer gonna have to get the Santee-Cooper Authority to install an electrical sub station at your house just to fire it off! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 01 19:07:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64721 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2005 03:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2005 03:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 03:07:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2005 03:06:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2005 03:06:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:06:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1720 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.128 Subject: Re: OT: Curious about an oldie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > > An excellent site on the Optigan is http://www.optigan.com/ -- > > Ah, more early electronic music to enjoy, and no-so-early stuff! :) I wouldn't consider the Optigan "early" in terms of electronic music, but it was the first application of audio sampling in an instrument marketed to consumers (by a toy company, no less!) -- the granddaddy of the Casio SK-1, as you could call it. Meanwhile, in terms of an all-electronic keyboard instrument, the first to be put into significant production (1000+ units) was the Hammond Novachord, introduced in 1939: http://www.dairiki.org/HammondWiki/HammondNovachord From the audio samples provided on that page, the Novachord sounds very similar to the consumer-level electronic organs of the early 1960s: simple square-wave and triangle-wave synthesis, with vibrato and echo added to give a richer sound. My father bought a Lowrey Brentwood electronic organ new in 1962, and owned it (in working condition) until several years ago. It was the first keyboard instrument I learned to play, and it was fun to mess around with its many rocker switches and see what kind of sounds I could get it to make. None were particularly convincing (its "flute" setting hardly sounded like a real flute, for example), with the exception of the full organ tone, which sounded pretty good with vibrato and sustain switched on. One neat feature was the "glide" switch (invented by Lowrey), which shifted the pitch down half a note, mostly used for a Hawaiian guitar type of effect. It also had a pretty hefty audio amp, with push-pull 7591 tubes driving a pair of 10-inch woofers (I still have the schematic for it -- its circuitry used over 100 vacuum tubes!). From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue Feb 01 19:15:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43233 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2005 03:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2005 03:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 03:15:53 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.212.103]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:15:52 -0700 Message-ID: <005101c508d5$b6ad63c0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20050202022638.9515.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:17:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 03:15:52.0770 (UTC) FILETIME=[808CE220:01C508D5] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} transmitters coming again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I thought Neal was going to take it home... Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > > Powell, you need to contact Tom Ray at WOR. They will be getting rid of a > "One owner special" 50KW transmitter pretty soon. The catch is yer gonna > have to get the Santee-Cooper Authority to install an electrical sub station > at your house just to fire it off! From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Feb 01 22:05:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35970 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2005 06:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2005 06:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41212.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 06:05:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 64166 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2005 06:05:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=P/7njxK3h82/yEBYBkuG34los2XKRRs/J5I6aRitOkD8tguxqvUEgmb0kC7sOPw6bT8pX0fiMfXwJ7RXSvCWQ6AHWDo6K9XhXyCsn46a4RgEf9ESPqYLwkU7k2mz8Oe3ClpxuO527OL8uHn+lmVLps5jqW0xfKOargn/mOmeQF0= ; Message-ID: <20050202060532.64164.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web41212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:05:32 PST Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:05:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1107278061.156.7410.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.45 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1465 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Never gotten KDIS on 1110 in N.Z but if I did I would try it on the SRF A30= 0 should it give out the signal.1110 is quite easy to DX here as 1116 is sk= ywave here before 4BC in Brisbane arrives and our nearest local is 1080 the= n 1179. I have got Disney from Hawaii occassionally on KORL 690 but usually its was= hed out by Radio Sport on 693 and suprisingly at times Magic 693 AM Stereo. =20 Michael Message: 2=20 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:53:23 -0000 From: "pianoplayer88key"=20 Subject: Re: DX OT 1580 is most likely KMIK from Tempe (Phoenix), AZ. The "something" underneath it could be spanish (but sometimes religious / english) KBLA Santa Monica (Los Angeles), CA. Both stations are 50kW, highly directional facing west / southwest. KMIK often comes in like a local at night here in El Cajon (San Diego), CA. 1570 is probably XERF from Ciudad Acu=F1a. I don't know what 1110 would be. I wonder if it's possible that it could be KFAB from Omaha, NE, but then I don't get that very well, due to 20kW directional (nighttime, throws their signal out over the pacific mostly) KDIS in Pasadena (Los Angeles), CA (Radio Disney, last I checked was still AM Stereo). Michael&Ross =09=09 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 01 22:47:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93711 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2005 06:47:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2005 06:47:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 06:47:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2005 06:45:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.61] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2005 06:45:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 06:45:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 569 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.128 Subject: Re: {AMSF} transmitters coming again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Powell, you need to contact Tom Ray at WOR. They will be getting > rid of a "One owner special" 50KW transmitter pretty soon. The > catch is yer gonna have to get the Santee-Cooper Authority to > install an electrical sub station at your house just to fire it > off! Tom should sell it to the station on 710 kHz in Cuba. Then we'll wonder why WOR is getting so much Spanish language interference at night... but hey, with IBOC, skywaves don't matter anymore, right? Anyway, to Chris: don't forget to advertise your transmitter as being "iPod compatible". :-) From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Feb 02 00:33:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61557 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2005 08:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2005 08:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 08:33:02 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.188.9]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 03:36:00 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c50901$faa594e0$09bc0642@4bmx301> To: References: <20050202022638.9515.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 03:34:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} transmitters coming again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why, of course! And built in processing, too! (I knew there was something I was missing the past couple of months... ;-) CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW I want one with 50,000 watts. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Feb 02 00:40:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86804 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2005 08:40:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2005 08:40:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 08:40:18 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.188.9]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 03:43:17 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01c50902$fed0ab80$09bc0642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 03:41:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} transmitters coming again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right Kevin- I use a Lyra RD2780 instead of the Ipod, as I love the video capabilities, and on the fly recording for TV, but I will get an Ipod sooner or later. I have also thought about building in an MP3 music source and Mike jack- Kind of a "super deluxe" version. Now that 64 meg players are almost given away in cereal boxes, I could do it at just a slightly higher cost... cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 1:45 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} transmitters coming again Anyway, to Chris: don't forget to advertise your transmitter as being "iPod compatible". :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Feb 02 04:37:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41531 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2005 12:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2005 12:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 12:37:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2005 12:37:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2005 12:37:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:37:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 303 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: AM scene: Honolulu X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 As far as I know, there are no Stereo AMs in Honolulu, but I do notice an over abundance there of AMs that play music...Does anyone know how good these Mono AMs sound in terms of fidelity/frequency response, and which ones sound like what?? I'm thinking about taking a trip over there in May. Tony From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Feb 02 05:26:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73159 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2005 13:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2005 13:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.138) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 13:26:54 -0000 Received: from storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id CBE4BD676 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 05:26:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA13610; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 05:26:53 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQGQZ/hs6jqyQpPRjGcPg0B1O05TQIUBYF2pxhxVtr2nMZ8GbJ1R0FDurQ= Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:26:53 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <9303-4200D51D-129@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 1 Feb 2005 17:14:21 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.138 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1465 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 If you could provide some detail of what you heard on 1110 I may be able to verifiy If it was KFAB 1110 Omaha, NE. KFAB has a west ward signal at night being heard, reported in most of the Western United States, Mexico, and Western Canada. Also, where is the Dxer's QTH location? Bill Snyder Omaha NE 8 miles from KFAB's tower Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Feb 02 07:59:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79219 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2005 15:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2005 15:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 15:59:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 52019 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2005 15:59:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Xdpr5984m1Tbfv/lwZSFpb2QSsjXc/m9knlPd8XVy6QczHUselj9XHQic/TcTRTxMMeS9EeDIbWY2rH1rjc/9+UABiU8DBdm9kLnOiGy8gTAsf49x2HRVHxA1llyZS7joRGnS6J4n425HHE867sqnyJvLhOIbrLi7Gk5fTmAVN4= ; Message-ID: <20050202155904.52017.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 07:59:03 PST Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:59:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.146 From: "John P." Subject: Uncle Leonard? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Any word from (Uncle) Leonard Kahn and whether or not he is testing his CAM-D system on the air anywhere? He is still advertising it in Radio Guide, so I'm curious if anybody's heard it on the air? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From mspatoray@sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 02 08:05:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspatoray@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62894 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2005 16:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2005 16:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.179) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 16:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (mspatoray@sbcglobal.net@64.108.116.206 with login) by smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 16:05:07 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:05:04 -0500 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.179 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Curious about an oldie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178375692 X-Yahoo-Profile: mpatoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the 1984 CD =B3Secrets Of Synthesis=B2 Wendy Carlos compaired a beat box= to human performed rythem, and the difference was hands down better. I have never liked the drum mechiene, computer millisecond perfect may seem like i= t would sound great but it is SOO boring. The reason it has become a standard is that it is CHEAP(after all you don=B9t need a musician just a programmer= ) , as with most Synthesized things, scan the score into protools ans lay down midi tracks, then all they have to do is bring in the performer that could not sing if there life depended on it, let them screech into the mic, pitch correct, compress and time stretch the vocals so they match up with music backing and vola! Your standard mass produced crap pop song, ready to be broadcast on Clear Channel, filling the PD and AR guys wishes, and with all the extra compression to =B3make it louder then the rest=B2 you have som g= reat music don=B9t you. Matt On 2/1/05 1:17 PM, "pabigelow" wrote: >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" > wrote:=20 >> > Still, I'd much rather hear a talented drummer banging on some real >> > skins. In the last ten years or so, it has become common practice > to=20 >> > turn out records with perfect rhythm down to the millisecond. How >> > boring! Even the worlds best drummer can't do that and records > that=20 >> > are cut that way just don't have any feeling at all=85 At least, > that's=20 >> > my opinion. >=20 > I agree. >=20 > One of the most amazing rock performances I've ever heard is the > first take of "Ooh! My Soul!" by Little Richard as on the UK Ace CD > box set. The beat is a little unsteady and it's obvious Richard is > starting to run out of gas at the end of the song. Otherwise, the > peformance is life-enhancing, breathtaking blast of rock and roll, > performed at incredible speed and unrelenting fury with Richard, > literally, screaming the lyrics. It's astounding to listen as his > band, The Upsetters, tries (and mostly succeeds) to keep up with > him. Performed at the same Washington, DC radio studio session along > with the classic "Keep a Knockin'" this take of "Ooh! My Soul!" is > the definition of "out of control rock n' roll". >=20 > By today's standards it's not technically perfect (not even close) > and Richard even flubs a line. And you what? It doesn't matter one > bit. That one take has more intensity than three seasons > of "American Idol" combined. Where did it all go so very wrong? >=20 > Paul >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >=20 >=20 > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >=20=20 > ADVERTISEMENT >=20=20 > ps/S=3D1705034690:HM/EXP=3D1107368255/A=3D2061551/R=3D0/SIG=3D11sr5b9n1/*= http://launch.y > ahoo.com/artist/videos.asp?artistID=3D1001301> >=20 >=20 > Yahoo! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > *=20=20 > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > *=20=20 > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Feb 02 14:46:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77199 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2005 22:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2005 22:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52402.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.110) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 22:46:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 66788 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2005 22:46:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=pv+Zf23fDjdq3Xw+REnzNVNgL8lOKi5bxpGXB4vPatBED7FHwputxjGPBzbMvAcjSIl/JqdySuOQSPSsbI6KrOVtxvaZHAvH+3ViJmVadKJsPlc2ZYE6fyV1U+SkyZNUYMzSl0bRB2gWmWA2MOInpTplzdwAKvfC2gTuyOqZBl4= ; Message-ID: <20050202224635.66786.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.184] by web52402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:46:34 PST Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:46:34 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005101c508d5$b6ad63c0$d503fea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.110 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} transmitters coming again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > I thought Neal was going to take it home... > Scott You beat me to the punchline on that one. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Feb 02 14:48:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72074 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2005 22:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2005 22:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52407.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.115) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 22:48:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 90426 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2005 22:48:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=cSXJK9SLHNPEASSkSFrYuFTfGq6xMTEDlJO8Wxe+G/TzNo/kQh317qrWtRDjIpuJkA1jpTDXy5zvO6NSVC77Jafuf4wHt6EUQr3EEo8B3gbuG2mWGpo2x/4whY/zoVIYjbXEu9qy2DKLF6nND0DhlHBNMwIAXsEH7UqiS8XoGLY= ; Message-ID: <20050202224800.90424.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.184] by web52407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:47:59 PST Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:47:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c50901$faa594e0$09bc0642@4bmx301> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.115 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} transmitters coming again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Chris Cuff wrote: > Why, of course! And built in processing, too! (I > knew there was something I was missing the past > couple of months... ;-) > CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW > I want one with 50,000 watts. I ALREADY have a processor. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Feb 02 15:23:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 87098 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2005 23:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2005 23:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 23:23:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2005 23:23:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2005 23:23:49 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26274 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2005 13:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2005 13:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 13:55:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2005 13:55:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2005 13:55:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:55:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9303-4200D51D-129@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 916 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1465 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 02 Feb 2005 23:23:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 BTW in San Diego KFAB is stepped on by one of my favorite stations, KDIS (Pasadena / Los Angeles). However, I have heard KFAB on a few occasions under KDIS or when KDIS was off the air or in a fadeout. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > If you could provide some detail of what you heard on 1110 I may be > able to verifiy If it was KFAB 1110 Omaha, NE. KFAB has a west ward > signal at night being heard, reported in most of the Western United > States, Mexico, and Western Canada. Also, where is the Dxer's QTH > location? Bill Snyder Omaha NE 8 miles from KFAB's tower > > > Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha > I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and > wiring items > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage > > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 > ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! 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Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2005-02-01 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 03 16:06:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4167 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2005 00:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2005 00:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2005 00:06:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2005 00:06:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2005 00:06:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 00:06:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1022 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.4 Subject: Re: AM scene: Honolulu X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > As far as I know, there are no Stereo AMs in Honolulu, but I do > notice an over abundance there of AMs that play music...Does anyone > know how good these Mono AMs sound in terms of fidelity/frequency > response, and which ones sound like what?? I'm thinking about > taking a trip over there in May. Hawaii follows the U.S. standards for AM radio, which means 10 kHz channel spacing and 10 kHz NRSC-spec audio -- except for stations owned by Clear Channel, most of which have reduced their AM audio to 6 kHz for music formats or 5 kHz for talk formats. (Not all of them have chopped down their audio bandwidth, though; here in NJ, 1360 WNNJ is a Clear Channel-owned Oldies station and it sounds to me like they're still transmitting full 10 kHz audio.) I'm not sure if the NRSC specs apply to other U.S. possessions in the Pacific (i.e. Guam, Mariana Islands, etc.), because they use 9 kHz channel spacing, and it doesn't make much sense to transmit 10 kHz audio within a 9 kHz channel spacing scheme. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 03 17:27:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10109 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2005 01:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2005 01:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2005 01:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.124.96.10 with login) by smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2005 01:27:18 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c50a58$cf33b780$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:27:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.187 From: Subject: al lites X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang Keep up the good work Chis!!! Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Fri Feb 04 10:50:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31325 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2005 18:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2005 18:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2005 18:50:41 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBAHS8RA5EEF4J for (sender ); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:49:51 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLKm2+rDZLppX+y6z+/hEZEk= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KJZ2BPLV; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:49:04 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:38:08 -0800 Message-ID: <20050204.104839.3828.0.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,9-10 X-ContentStamp: 3:4:4256866516 X-MAIL-INFO:0c2919b14c0065bdbd2965796d2d2c18002cf9053d4941315839cdcd3d39f9b89911f15811bc153da9dd11b9a8bc38b9f8d13871a9f5b5c1d53868c9c9 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: AM Goes Dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn New Hampshire AM Goes Dark The land was worth more than the station. Like many an AM before it, WSMN in Nashua, N.H., has gone dark, evicted after a legal dispute with the program operator, and shutting down with little fanfare. According to the Union Leader, it had broadcast for 47 years. The owners still say they'd like to sell the station. They had sold the land beneath the three-tower facility last year to a group that plans to build housing units. See the story at http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showfast.html?article=50360 From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Feb 04 13:36:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84882 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2005 21:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2005 21:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.202.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2005 21:36:46 -0000 Received: from n1zzn (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20050204213645016004f51ce>; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:36:46 +0000 To: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:36:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050204.104839.3828.0.w6yn@juno.com> Thread-Index: AcUK6m7zQMYXWPidRti2oUwUsmR+lQAFyYVg X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.64 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Goes Dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn This station is actually still on the air, but with dead air. I'm sure that will change soon. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA >-----Original Message----- >From: W6YN Don Milbury [mailto:w6yn@juno.com] >Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 1:38 PM >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} AM Goes Dark > > >New Hampshire AM Goes Dark > >The land was worth more than the station. > >Like many an AM before it, WSMN in Nashua, N.H., has gone dark, evicted >after a legal dispute with the program operator, and shutting down with >little fanfare. According to the Union Leader, it had broadcast for 47 >years. The owners still say they'd like to sell the station. They had >sold the land beneath the three-tower facility last year to a group that >plans to build housing units. > >See the story at >http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showfast.html?article=50360 > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Feb 04 15:22:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73246 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2005 23:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2005 23:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.172.113) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2005 23:22:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:22:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.207.113 by BAY5-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:21:30 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:21:29 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <16368-42040379-294@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Jeff Lehmann" 's message of Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:36:54 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2005 23:22:00.0887 (UTC) FILETIME=[5422B470:01C50B10] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.172.113 X-eGroups-From: starship_2001@msn.com (Norbert 26) From: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: [209.240.207.113] Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Goes Dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You would think they would take the time to turn off the transmitter. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditpro@cox.net Sat Feb 05 00:35:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9390 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2005 08:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2005 08:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2005 08:35:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2005 08:35:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2005 08:35:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 08:35:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16368-42040379-294@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2334 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: AM Goes Dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions I worked for a company that did that=85 Went dark and sold the land and=20 equipment off. We had an AM that ran 3500 watts on 1290 during the=20 day and about 150 watts on a pre-dawn authorization=85 No night time=20 power at all. It was a studio/transmitter combo setup and we moved=20 the FM out to a new location but continued operating the AM from the=20 TX site because it was a real problem to shoot an STL from the new=20 studio's to the old AM transmitter site. We did that for almost a=20 year after the move trying to figure out the best way to do this.=20=20 Our engineer couldn't figure any other way to do it except either=20 renting hi-fi phone lines from the Telco or putting in two intercity=20 links requiring the installation of a lot of equipment and renting=20 tower space in two places to make the hop over the a mountain. Either=20 option would have been expensive. Long about that time, we were=20 approached by another station owner who was looking for a new=20 location for his AM station. We worked out one of the strangest=20 deals I think I have ever heard of in radio history! Here's how it went down=85 We turned in the license for our AM (No=20 great loss because our AM signal was awful and the station was just=20 breaking even.) We then sold the land, tower and facilities to our=20 competitor. He then brought in engineers to retune the antenna and=20 transmitters to his frequency and started broadcasting on his=20 frequency from our AM site. Our transmitters weren't new but they=20 were in better shape then the one he had been using. I think the=20 only equipment he brought over from the old station was a Optimod and=20 a few odds and ends to rebuild the production studio. We had taken=20 two of the studios with us when we moved the FM=85 Everyone ended up=20 happy and there was a little less interference on the AM band=85=20=20 I love AM radio and I would love to program another station someday,=20=20 however, I would never try and turn a daytime station around again.=20=20 They are heartbreakers! Nothing is more frustrating then having to=20 cut your broadcast day at 4:45 in the afternoon in December. You're=20 just sending your listeners away! I would want to have a good signal=20 to compete with 24 hours a day. Oh, and I'd like to have a full 10=20 KHz of audio, too. Stereo would be nice=85 Anybody looking for a PD?=20 :) JC From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Feb 06 07:13:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33901 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2005 15:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2005 15:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52003.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.59) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2005 15:13:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 72089 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2005 15:13:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=J0StP12p+N/8wzcdtTPK+TW+DLrDlw21amMWjqMqKh2/uiVhecGZ31Lx19UINQZ53Rdds6dnYmyl8rIznpjAztQiyO+61ohyo12NJWM5MroByuhJXM+n2HCmkW06TKbJ7zFRrkfMC2CYFY0Wxw2mxxgEV+yGrwhOVrkbeNVW5eU= ; Message-ID: <20050206151350.72087.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.109.201.217] by web52003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:13:50 PST Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:13:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.59 From: JNR Subject: WNNC/1230-Newton, N.C. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Can anyone confirm or deny WNNC's stereo status? According to www.beachshag.com, one of their affiliates, WNNC, is listed as WNNC AM 1230 Stereo. Also, please add WINY/1350-Putnam, Ct.. Their format Hot A.C.. Honestly, I've never been able to tell any separation on WINY, but I live 50 miles from the transmitter. It's 5kW-Day/79W-Night. Also, please add CHML/900-Hamilton,On.. Totals from website: U.S.: 87 stations (not including WNNC or WINY) Africa: 4 Australia: 11 Canada: 9 (not including CHML) Central America: 8 Europe: 1 Hong Kong: 3 Japan: 16 Korea: 2 Mexico: 2 Phillipines: 2 South America: 6 Taiwan: 4 TOTAL: 156 stations. With WNNC, WINY & CHML: 159. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Feb 06 07:25:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48271 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2005 15:25:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2005 15:25:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52007.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.63) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2005 15:25:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 33677 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2005 15:25:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=1T6/F6x/nY1hGLSnoV2Ra6ydo93vrw/twzhaWD0zvGkET9s2HFpwg/zLtdoxlvKoLrrjFEiVoDcP0a2Efynp+r11AZA8Al5qZz2N461NXJPMFh6/bBTRc1LJTSdEjTiNR/qjP2Ad6k/WU8dMeTWLbiXzLFFgGvS/iOElBUu9aNU= ; Message-ID: <20050206152512.33675.qmail@web52007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.109.201.217] by web52007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:25:12 PST Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:25:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050206151350.72087.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.63 From: JNR Subject: By the way regarding WINY . X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio WINY has a pilot tone. Is oldies KMER/950-Kemmerer, Wy. "K95" still in stereo? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Feb 06 07:30:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15828 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2005 15:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2005 15:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2005 15:30:06 -0000 Received: from n1zzn (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005020615300601100chdo4e>; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:30:06 +0000 To: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:30:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050206151350.72087.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcUMXnk22reOV0UyQO28aOlFI+bSqAAAhdEg X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.55 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} WNNC/1230-Newton, N.C. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn >Also, please add WINY/1350-Putnam, Ct.. Their >format Hot A.C.. Honestly, I've never been able >to tell any separation on WINY, but I live 50 >miles from the transmitter. Unless something has changed recently, 1350 WINY definitely has separation. I just went back and listened to some of them that I recorded a year ago, and there was clearly separation in Van Morrison's Brown Eyed Girl. Jeff Lehmann - N1ZZN Hanson, MA From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Feb 06 14:07:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99250 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2005 22:07:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2005 22:07:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.241.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2005 22:07:18 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050206220716.ZGJL13222.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:07:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <770A6498-788B-11D9-A345-000D9356B656@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:07:17 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.38 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Sirius Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Have had Sirius for a little over a month now. I may have to give up my radio column as I have been listening less and less to traditional radio. And no, it is not the sound quality (though it is quite good in my opinion, except for the talk channels). It's the programming. Sat radio is actually fun to listen to, even with its obvious limitations. While traditional radio focusses on the least important element of broadcasting, they are leaving the programming behind. I shed no tears; they brought it on themselves. Richard Wagoner From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Feb 06 16:33:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69910 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 00:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2005 00:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 00:33:40 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.179]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:33:38 -0700 Message-ID: <007901c50cac$e840db80$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20050202155904.52017.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:33:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2005 00:33:39.0347 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB0B2630:01C50CAC] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Uncle Leonard? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The guy is all hat and no cattle. There's nobody using it. I just wonder how much longer he can keep up the charade before he dies penniless. Scott Todd Been out sicker than a dog for awhile now ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." To: Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 9:59 AM Subject: {AMSF} Uncle Leonard? > > Any word from (Uncle) Leonard Kahn and whether or not he is testing his CAM-D > system on the air anywhere? He is still advertising it in Radio Guide, so I'm > curious if anybody's heard it on the air? > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 06 17:16:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23396 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 01:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2005 01:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 01:16:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2005 01:16:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2005 01:16:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:16:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007901c50cac$e840db80$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1096 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "jim smith" X-Originating-IP: 68.124.97.23 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Uncle Leonard? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > The guy is all hat and no cattle. There's nobody using it. I just wonder > how much longer he can keep up the charade before he dies penniless. > > Scott Todd > Been out sicker than a dog for awhile now > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John P." > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 9:59 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Uncle Leonard? > > > > > > Any word from (Uncle) Leonard Kahn and whether or not he is testing his > CAM-D > > system on the air anywhere? He is still advertising it in Radio Guide, so > I'm > > curious if anybody's heard it on the air? > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Gang Ya thay are probley scaired of Uncle Powell !!!!! Jim smith From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Feb 07 00:34:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79445 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 08:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2005 08:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 08:34:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2005 08:34:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2005 08:34:44 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91355 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2005 18:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2005 18:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2005 18:22:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2005 18:22:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2005 18:22:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 18:22:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050206151350.72087.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 934 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.141 Subject: Worldwide AMS (was: Re: WNNC/1230-Newton, N.C.) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 07 Feb 2005 08:34:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > Totals from website: > U.S.: 87 stations (not including WNNC or WINY) I suspect quite a few are missing from that count. > Africa: 4 > Australia: 11 > Canada: 9 (not including CHML) > Central America: 8 > Europe: 1 2. You're counting France Bleue in Paris, but forgetting Radio Studio X in Italy. And this doesn't include the long-running pirate in Waterford, Ireland. > Hong Kong: 3 > Japan: 16 Last I counted, there were 12 out of 46 total AM stations. > Korea: 2 I'm unsure if either of these are still broadcasting AMS, and I don't know if our colleagues in Japan can DX these stations to be sure. > Mexico: 2 I would say that figure is much higher. > Phillipines: 2 > South America: 6 > Taiwan: 4 > TOTAL: 156 stations. With WNNC, WINY & CHML: > 159. This does not count at least 1 in Indonesia and at least 3 in Thailand. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 07 00:38:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96421 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 08:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2005 08:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 08:38:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2005 08:38:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2005 08:38:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:38:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050206151350.72087.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 749 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.4 Subject: Re: WNNC/1230-Newton, N.C. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Also, please add WINY/1350-Putnam, Ct.. Their > format Hot A.C.. Honestly, I've never been able > to tell any separation on WINY, but I live 50 > miles from the transmitter. It's > 5kW-Day/79W-Night. Also, please add > CHML/900-Hamilton,On.. > > Totals from website: > U.S.: 87 stations (not including WNNC or WINY) Which web site are you talking about? At the Official AM Stereo Web Site ( http://AMStereo.s5.com ), WINY is included on the list, and the total number of stations is considerably higher than your totals. And I have noticed that 900 CHML seems to be broadcasting a stereo pilot again. I've only heard them during talk programming lately, so I haven't had a chance to check for true stereo separation in their audio. From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Mon Feb 07 06:37:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94718 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 14:37:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2005 14:37:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.171) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 14:37:15 -0000 Received: from user-3690.l2.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.174.106] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CyA0o-0004uF-RQ for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:37:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:37:13 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.195.171 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Any of you folks visiting NAB this year? Happy to meet up with any of you. I'm there for the week staying down town. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From kya1260@lycos.com Mon Feb 07 10:17:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32823 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 18:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2005 18:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 18:17:39 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 140A3180012C for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:17:39 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 7 Feb 2005 16:16:41 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 67FB3E5BC7; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:16:40 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:16:40 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: badeditpro@cox.net Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:16:40 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050207161640.67FB3E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Jay Arnold" X-Originating-IP: 67.124.95.242 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Goes Dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ On 2/5/05, J.C. said in the forum: > I love AM radio and I would love to program another station someday, > however, I would never try and turn a daytime station around again. > They are heartbreakers! Nothing is more frustrating then having to > cut your broadcast day at 4:45 in the afternoon in December. You're > just sending your listeners away! I would want to have a good signal > to compete with 24 hours a day. Oh, and I'd like to have a full 10 > KHz of audio, too. Stereo would be nice… Anybody looking for a PD? > :) I second your emotion, J.C.=20 I also wanna work at a nice, 24-hour, low-dial music/personality=20 AMer - in stereo, of course... KNBA (now gospel KDYA) in Vallejo, Calif., was a daytimer that had=20 its "glory" in the 1950s as KGYW (signed on 8/1/1947), and did well=20 until the '60s, when Top-40 came around, and then in the '70s=20 FM gained in popularity.=20 Since then, if you didn't have nighttime power on your AM, you may=20 as well hang it up... Something about daytime AMers I like, though...or those with=20 extreme low power at night... Cases in point: KEZX 730 in Medford, Oregon...a great M.O.R. station with in-house talent that's 1-kw day and about 73 watts at night. It's been running since October 2003.. Or KMZT 1510, Piedmont (near Oakland), they started a fine oldies format (1955 to 1969) on 8-kw day, 238 watts, night... How long these stations last, we'll see... Stay tuned... --Jay KVON AM Stereo 1440 What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Feb 07 10:22:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62280 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 18:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2005 18:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.202.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 18:22:29 -0000 Received: from n1zzn (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005020718222701200g4d21e>; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:22:28 +0000 To: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:20:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcUM8Ij+cuA7AXs+QeiBebvIg+abdgAULeWA X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.56 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WNNC/1230-Newton, N.C. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn There's some stations listed on that website that do not have AM Stereo anymore. 830 WCRN is one of them. From what I understand, when they got a new transmitter a few years ago, but they did not get one with stereo. Thei= r audio sounds narrow to me too. That=92s one station that would sound great = in stereo, since it's broadcasting the "True Oldies Channel." Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA >-----Original Message----- >From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] >Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 3:39 AM >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: WNNC/1230-Newton, N.C. > > > >> Also, please add WINY/1350-Putnam, Ct.. Their >> format Hot A.C.. Honestly, I've never been able >> to tell any separation on WINY, but I live 50 >> miles from the transmitter. It's >> 5kW-Day/79W-Night. Also, please add >> CHML/900-Hamilton,On.. >> >> Totals from website: >> U.S.: 87 stations (not including WNNC or WINY) > >Which web site are you talking about? At the Official AM Stereo Web >Site ( http://AMStereo.s5.com ), WINY is included on the list, and >the total number of stations is considerably higher than your totals. > >And I have noticed that 900 CHML seems to be broadcasting a stereo >pilot again. I've only heard them during talk programming lately, so >I haven't had a chance to check for true stereo separation in their >audio. > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 07 23:38:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95499 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2005 07:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2005 07:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2005 07:38:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2005 07:38:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2005 07:38:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:38:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5961 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.14 Subject: Nine 'Bullets' About HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com .... Commentary: Nine 'Bullets' About HD Radio The Author Outlines What He Sees as Fallacies In IBOC and Offers His Support of Cam-D by Ralph J. Carlson This article is in response to a commentary in Radio World about the positive aspects of Ibiquity's IBOC ("Ray: AM IBOC Does Sound Good," Nov. 3), and Guy Wire's article in the Oct. 27 Radio World Engineering Extra, "Guy Breaks Down the Anti-HD Radio Arguments." * HD Radio is not in-band, as it causes interference to adjacent channels with a hissing sound, thus causing reception to be degraded on those stations. The FCC should not tolerate this interference. We are required now to stay on our assigned frequency. If we stray from our band, FCC inspectors would fine us. Even a harmonic can get us in trouble. It should be no different with HD Radio. This interference can be detected even at great distances in other cities. Of course, if all the 50 kW stations install HD Radio, it could wipe out thousands of lesser-powered stations across the United States. Canada already has voiced concerns about the interference to their stations. * Clear Channel and Ibiquity are championing a 5 kHz bandwidth reduction. Their reasoning, though they deny it, is to give more room for HD Radio. Also, they claim that no radios are capable of wide-band above 5-6 kHz. This is incorrect, and there are radios capable of wide-band - GE Super Radios, Grundig and others. I was always under the impression that AM radio was to reach par with FM radio at 15 kHz. Additionally, the analog stations would not be able to broadcast in stereo. It will be years before IBOC even approaches 10 percent of the 800 million radios. Meanwhile, all the AM analog stations would be handicapped with inferior broadcast systems. Talk about a disaster. * The conversion to HD Radio requires spending thousands of dollars on new equipment, etc. Even the required erection of new towers and purchasing of new transmitters will be beyond the means of thousands of stations to convert. That's not the end, though, as a license fee must be paid every year it is in use. A fee will be assessed on transmitters (HD). Estimated costs can range from $ 150,000 to $400,000 or more. * The IBOC System cuts down skywave distance at night. There are listeners other than DXers that are tuning in to distant stations. In Salt Lake City, KSL(AM)'s 50,000-watt signal is heard all over the west. Many people listen at night. With IBOC the signal will be impaired, and what does get out will be jumbled and not listenable. On top of that, the hissing interference will affect adjacent channels 1140, 1150, 1170 and 1180. * The digital processing delay from the microphone to your speaker can range up to eight seconds. A listener at a sporting event will see the action but the play-by-play will be delayed. However, IBOC has a plan; they will go back to analog during sporting events. This is progress? * The IBOC signal does not work well with directional antennas. There are hundreds of directional antennas in the country that will be frustrated in this installation of HD Radio. Consulting engineers already are trying to solve this problem. * HD Radio's signal gets interference from high-power electrical lines. Find an HD Radio station in your town and check it out. * Coverage of the station's signal will be cut down and consequently not reach as far. Management will have to redo their coverage maps. On the fringes of coverage with HD Radio, the radio receiver will switch back to analog. It will be quite a trick to balance out volume levels while it pops back and forth between HD and analog. * The IBOC system is proprietary, which means it is not an open-market system. The backers are the large chain broadcasters and manufacturers that will require an annual fee forever. They say not to criticize another's work unless you have something better to offer. I believe that something better is the CAM-D Digital Radio Broadcasting System from Kahn Communications. CAM-D is doing what it promised on KDYL(AM) 1060 in Salt Lake City. Tests on the spectrum analyzer show it has a clean digital signal. We are delighted to have this new digital modernization for AM Radio. Unlike the IBOC system, CAM-D will not interfere with adjacent channels. Interference from high-power electrical lines is eliminated almost completely. The signal remains strong when going through road underpasses. CAM-D dramatically increases, and does not limit, skywave coverage. It is compatible with the more than 800 million radios in America, and more than passes NRSC standards with +/- 8 kHz bandwidth. CAM-D will utilize the several data channels that alert the listening public about storms, road conditions and national defense. The installation cost to broadcasters is minimal compared to HD Radio, and it does not require purchasing new transmitters, tower antennas or processors. And there is no time delay from mic to speaker in your car, home or business. CAM-D will work to improve the AM band, not take it backwards to 5 kHz. More wide-band digital radios are on the horizon that will make AM even better. Some have posed the question why Leonard Kahn waited so long to come up with his new digital radio system. It was only when he saw what the Ibiquity system was going to do to degrade AM radio that he went to work on an alternative digital system. Mr. Kahn is a genius - an adjunct professor of engineering at Polytechnic University of New York who holds nearly 100 patents and has worked under contract at Bell Labs and RCA Labs. All I ask is that stations look before they leap and refrain from installing something that will take the AM band backwards. Ralph J. Carlson is president of Carlson Communications Intl. in Salt Lake City. Call him at (801) 268-8181 or Leonard Kahn at (212) 983-4765 for information. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Feb 08 01:49:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40222 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2005 09:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2005 09:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52007.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.63) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2005 09:49:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 12358 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2005 09:49:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Xo9YBD4yhz9PqcJPUcKHhYnS3VN3wa0v26w/SXC9v5/LTDFLAeiDCt7iUOhe0uPRgNemTm15LHkQu5+8eVjNggm77nBAtYPOukqNR3VXx8it6LPMIOaQjYASMZChF6YR7yMQWv7JypvI7YPF6w6lMPprjwfID2qrvZQ6Z/kgQso= ; Message-ID: <20050208094907.12356.qmail@web52007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.34.220] by web52007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:49:06 PST Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:49:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.63 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WNNC/1230-Newton, N.C. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I'm using the www.amstereoradio.com site for the data. I didn't know about the other site. I remember a few years ago it was at 432 stations. Jay N1WVQ, WQBI410 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! 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Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From badeditpro@cox.net Tue Feb 08 02:09:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58685 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2005 10:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2005 10:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.240.30) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2005 10:09:43 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.0.17.189]) by lakermmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with SMTP id <20050208100942.IJXL10760.lakermmtao09.cox.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 05:09:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c50dc6$4f3dc0e0$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 05:09:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.240.30 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: CAM-D System. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where on the web can I learn more about how CAM-D works? I have been hearing a lot about it here and elsewhere but I have yet to hear a breakdown of exactly what it is... Any help would be appreciated. :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Tue Feb 08 10:54:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43680 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2005 18:54:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2005 18:54:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2005 18:54:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2005 18:54:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2005 18:54:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:54:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c50dc6$4f3dc0e0$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 446 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 67.100.227.198 Subject: Re: CAM-D System. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray I highly doubt you'll find anything. The information is "proprietary". Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" wrote: > Where on the web can I learn more about how CAM-D works? I have been hearing a lot about it here and elsewhere but I have yet to hear a breakdown of exactly what it is... Any help would be appreciated. > > :) > > JC > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Tue Feb 08 15:53:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56087 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2005 23:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2005 23:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.195) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2005 23:53:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:53:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 208.17.75.129 by BAY22-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 23:52:30 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:52:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2005 23:53:00.0458 (UTC) FILETIME=[522DB8A0:01C50E39] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.195 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [208.17.75.129] Subject: FTP Site, Alfredo Lite, Delta ASE-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Need someone (Amy Maybe??) to email me offlist the ftp info for amstereoradio. user/pass, port, startup folder, etc. Also, I would like schematics of the Alfredo Lite. I want to investigate boosting the power to 100mw. Also i have a Delta ASE-1/ASM-1 CQuAM System in showroom condition on 760KHz. I'd like to mess around with it. put it on 1610KHz or 1700KHz and need the Manuals(or copy's) for the ASE-1/ASM-1 Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis (kc8gpd) Universal Life Ministries [ULC] http://www.freecycle.org http://www.part15.us From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 08 16:31:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 56523 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 00:31:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2005 00:31:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 00:31:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2005 00:31:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2005 00:31:54 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9157 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2005 10:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2005 10:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2005 10:35:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2005 10:35:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2005 10:35:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:35:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050208094907.12356.qmail@web52007.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 792 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.25 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WNNC/1230-Newton, N.C. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 09 Feb 2005 00:31:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > I'm using the www.amstereoradio.com site for the > data. I didn't know about the other site. I > remember a few years ago it was at 432 stations. This is mostly a result in the change in ownership of the web address- - I won't bother to get into the politics of it. However, the present owners are trying to list CONFIRMED operational AMS stations throughout the world. The number is indeed lower than what it is, since confirmation of AMS hasn't been as widely reported by listeners, etc. I estimate the present number of remaining AMS stations in the US to be about 260, and Canada at least has 15-20 remaining- Certainly not the 9 mentioned, as I can get 4-5 of them here on the west coast. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 08 16:32:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 62124 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 00:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2005 00:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 00:32:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2005 00:32:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2005 00:32:22 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79067 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2005 10:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2005 10:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2005 10:43:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2005 10:43:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2005 10:43:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:43:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c50dc6$4f3dc0e0$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 652 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.25 Subject: Re: CAM-D System. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 09 Feb 2005 00:32:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" wrote: > Where on the web can I learn more about how CAM-D works? I have been hearing a lot about it here and elsewhere but I have yet to hear a breakdown of exactly what it is... Any help would be appreciated. > > :) Go here: http://jp.y42.briefcase.yahoo.co.jp/bc/lrkahn/lst?.dir=/ then click on the directory below the MP3 directory. (In Japanese kana it says "Kahn") From there, click on "Cam-D", which takes you into another folder with both a PDF on the Cam-D system and yet another folder, with Kahn's Cam-D FCC petitions. Hope this is helpful. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 08 16:37:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69446 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 00:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2005 00:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 00:37:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2005 00:31:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2005 00:31:24 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67104 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2005 09:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2005 09:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2005 09:04:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2005 09:04:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2005 09:04:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:04:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 680 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.25 Subject: Re: Nine 'Bullets' About HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 09 Feb 2005 00:31:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 =...= > are required now to stay on our assigned frequency. If we stray from > our band, FCC inspectors would fine us. Even a harmonic can get us in > trouble. It should be no different with HD Radio. The Harris AMS system was socked for exactly that! Harris cooked the books on harmonics in their VCPM system, and the FCC caught them by 1984, forcing Harris to have its transmitters converted. Only a handful of Harris stations NEVER converted, including KOMO in Seattle, until the C-QUAM standard was set by the early '90s. Shouldn't we expect IBOC to be held to the same scrutiny? Of course we should, but you know, money talks and all that junk. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Feb 08 19:21:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82733 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 03:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2005 03:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 03:21:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:21:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.107.208 by BAY101-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 03:20:02 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:17:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2005 03:21:00.0612 (UTC) FILETIME=[60EE1840:01C50E56] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.74 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.107.208] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D System. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Joe Collins wrote: >I have been hearing a lot about it here and elsewhere but I have yet to hear a breakdown of exactly what it is... It is a "back-door" method of putting KAHN ISB Stereo back on the air. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Feb 08 19:23:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39942 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 03:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2005 03:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 03:23:30 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-239.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j193NTdN017762 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:23:30 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000f01c50e56$ba1e9570$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:23:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D System. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> "Joe Collins" wrote: >> Where on the web can I learn more about how CAM-D works? I have >> been hearing a lot about it here and elsewhere but I have yet to hear >> a breakdown of exactly what it is... Any help would be appreciated. > Tom Ray replied: > I highly doubt you'll find anything. > The information is "proprietary". Does anyone know if this even exists or if it works as promised? Have anyone heard it? Isn't think a bit of a new spin on Kahn's Powerside AM Stereo? -Jim- From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Feb 08 19:29:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1244 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 03:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2005 03:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 03:29:27 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.47] (pool-138-89-170-234.mad.east.verizon.net [138.89.170.234]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j193Tj4i029820 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:29:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <42098365.5090103@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:28:37 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D System. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK Boys and Girls How many of you went to see the webpage posted On CAM-D..??? To date there are at least 3 stations Testing CAM-D.. How many of you decided to Contact Mr Kahn from that website.?. I for one did... and Today I Received a very friendly call from Mr=20 Kahn.. we spoke for about 20 mins.. I will Not discuss technically what we spoke about, but it Seems to Be=20 a viable alternative to IBOC.. My next step is to Contact the stations that are Testing It. and Go=20 from there... Its a bit late in the game.. to start with this. But If the system=20 Performs the way it should. I think the FCC should open its Eyes. and think twice. Neal Amy Mousie wrote: > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" =20 >wrote: >=20=20 > >>Where on the web can I learn more about how CAM-D works? I have=20 >>=20=20=20=20 >> >been hearing a lot about it here and elsewhere but I have yet to hear=20 >a breakdown of exactly what it is... Any help would be appreciated. >=20=20 > >>:) >>=20=20=20=20 >> > >Go here: >http://jp.y42.briefcase.yahoo.co.jp/bc/lrkahn/lst?.dir=3D/ > >then click on the directory below the MP3 directory. (In Japanese=20 >kana it says "Kahn") > >>From there, click on "Cam-D", which takes you into another folder=20 >with both a PDF on the Cam-D system and yet another folder, with=20 >Kahn's Cam-D FCC petitions. > >Hope this is helpful. > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >=20 > > > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Feb 08 19:31:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11276 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 03:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2005 03:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 03:31:20 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-239.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j193VH7C019093 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:31:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001d01c50e57$d1b8a5d0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <000f01c50e56$ba1e9570$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:31:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D System. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 My previous message should have read: ============================================= Does anyone know if this even exists or if it works as promised? Have anyone heard it? Isn't it a bit of a new spin on Kahn's Powerside AM Stereo? -Jim- ============================================= I normally won't correct typos but this one was so glaring the sentence didn't make sense. From badeditpro@cox.net Tue Feb 08 23:16:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39182 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 07:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2005 07:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.240.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 07:16:15 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.0.17.189]) by lakermmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with SMTP id <20050209071612.EISD11542.lakermmtao01.cox.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:16:12 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c50e77$3c9fcd50$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:16:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.240.38 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Re: Cam-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Amy and Neal, It wasn't easy but I chased that link down. I don't read Japanese so I just started clicking on things... Anyhow, that press release didn't have anything in it that I didn't already know. Thanks anyway! Neal, How about posting that link for the un-initiated here? I looked for the site on Cam-D and I cannot find it... :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 09 00:28:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 87999 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 08:28:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2005 08:28:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 08:28:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2005 08:28:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2005 08:28:40 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80158 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 08:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2005 08:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 08:04:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2005 08:04:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2005 08:04:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:04:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c50e77$3c9fcd50$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1391 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.117 Subject: Re: Cam-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 09 Feb 2005 08:28:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" wrote: > Hey Amy and Neal, > > It wasn't easy but I chased that link down. I don't read Japanese so I just started clicking on things... Anyhow, that press release didn't have anything in it that I didn't already know. > > Thanks anyway! I tried. :) I can read both Japanese kana (syllabaries) and a smattering of kanji (Chinese characters used in Japanese), so for me, that isn't a big problem, but I do know most here can't, which is why I gave the instructions as I did- The Kahn directory was below the MP3 directory, so you would know which directory to enter without being able to read the Japanese directory name. Fortunately, the MP3 directory is not a Japanese filename. (Some good AMS recordings there, and in a few other Yahoo! Briefcase Japan directories elsewhere.) Sadly, I wish Kahn was more forthcoming on Cam-D, but if you go back to the Radio World post Kevin posted, there's contact info for the author and for Kahn, and mentions the autho's station as one experimenting with Cam-D along with a few others. And yes, from my own research, Kahn did do some ISB patents for RCA when RCA was experimenting with several AM stereo systems in the late '50s and early '60s. (Including one that resembles C-QUAM, to which Motorola perfected to work out some issues.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Feb 09 04:31:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73153 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 12:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2005 12:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 12:31:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2005 12:31:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2005 12:31:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:31:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 327 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 Subject: Re: Cam-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 KDYL/1060 in Salt Lake is testing it, and, 'successfully'. MJR, I know you have checked, but can you (or someone within earshot) check again on a Sony multimode or Kahn Stereo capable radio to see if there is separation on KDYL in "Kahn" mode?? I mean, theoretically, there should be if they're running CAM-D, no? --tony From badeditpro@cox.net Wed Feb 09 06:25:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53262 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 14:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2005 14:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 14:25:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2005 14:25:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2005 14:25:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:25:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 527 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: Cam-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions I get it now=85 I misread Neal's post and thought that there was a site=20 about Cam-D out there but it wasn't coming up on the search pages=85 A=20 thousand apologies!=20=20 Honestly, I'm a little surprised that there is not a web page devoted=20 to Cam-D. IBOC is gathering steam and Mr. Kahn needs to get the word=20 out if he wants to be a real competitor. A simple block diagram and=20 some real-world audio samples doesn't give away the farm and would=20 certainly help to generate more excitement about the idea, you know?=20=20 :) JC From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Feb 09 07:28:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96883 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 15:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2005 15:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 15:28:18 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.47] (pool-138-89-170-234.mad.east.verizon.net [138.89.170.234]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j19FSL4i034823 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:28:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <420A2BA2.6060809@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:26:26 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <000601c50e77$3c9fcd50$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> In-Reply-To: <000601c50e77$3c9fcd50$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Cam-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Joe the site is http://www.wrathofkahn.org Joe Collins wrote: >Neal, How about posting that link for the un-initiated here? I looked for the site on Cam-D and I cannot find it... > > > > > > > From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Feb 09 07:42:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2315 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 15:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2005 15:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 15:42:24 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.47] (pool-138-89-170-234.mad.east.verizon.net [138.89.170.234]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j19Fgg4i035298 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:42:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <420A2EF4.1040504@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:40:36 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.6.128.41 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Cam-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 From what Leonard said On the Phone. The CAM -D is Digital You would need a decoder to hear the true digital Stereo Separation. At least that's what I understood. Using the old Receivers that had the Kahn mode in them. you may hear the station louder but Not the Digital on the sidebands.. But then again what do I know.. Im still trying to contact KDYL for more info. Neal Anthony wrote: >KDYL/1060 in Salt Lake is testing it, and, 'successfully'. > >MJR, I know you have checked, but can you (or someone within earshot) >check again on a Sony multimode or Kahn Stereo capable radio to see >if there is separation on KDYL in "Kahn" mode?? I mean, >theoretically, there should be if they're running CAM-D, no? > >--tony > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > From badeditpro@cox.net Wed Feb 09 09:22:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34735 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 17:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2005 17:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 17:22:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2005 17:21:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2005 17:21:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:21:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <420A2EF4.1040504@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 21 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: Cam-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Thanks Neal! :) JC From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Feb 09 09:43:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48220 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 17:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2005 17:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52003.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.59) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 17:43:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 18066 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2005 17:43:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Qk/PIJqUE2p0mHE4tridYBt9tOtGdskSh3ZMiLoQaxpIUSXRzpiyJ1y6sTNLs8+pWWYjONNE0sXNGHnkd0vT6SPS753GngqxXj04MpbchfGHCcsvs0XuWYV3ZkBEXM/DXuewsh9P6dRI+iZpnltnzInVpWVSYKAr5YKjdzSW8qI= ; Message-ID: <20050209174300.18064.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.64.99.28] by web52003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:43:00 PST Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:43:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050207161640.67FB3E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.59 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Goes Dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Does anyone have a working # for WSMN? Jay __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From brucec@mindspring.com Wed Feb 09 14:38:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23509 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 22:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2005 22:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 22:38:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2005 22:38:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2005 22:38:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:38:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 794 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.94.94.106 Subject: New CAM-D station in Port Arthur, TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I noticed on the Radio-Info Houston board that a new station is testing CAM-D in the Houston area. It is a graveyard channel, but adjacents do not report any interference. I have heard of 3 or 4 other CAM-D stations out there doing testing. The questions I have to ask are - how many IBOC AM stations are there? At what point does CAM-D have as much inertia backing it as IBOC? Leonard Kahn may be the IBOC buster the way he was the C-Quam buster. The only thing that concerns me are receivers. There seem to be a lot of people on the IBOC bandwagon - not too many on CAM- D. Of course - if this is indeed just an update to the old Kahn system - it can be received by two radios, each one tuned off center opposite each other. Maybe that is what he is banking on --- again. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 09 20:02:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2236 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2005 04:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2005 04:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2005 04:02:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2005 04:02:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2005 04:02:31 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99647 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2005 03:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2005 03:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2005 03:44:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2005 03:44:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2005 03:44:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:44:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2198 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.117 Subject: Re: New CAM-D station in Port Arthur, TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Feb 2005 04:02:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > Leonard Kahn may be the IBOC buster the way he was the C-Quam > buster. The only thing that concerns me are receivers. There seem > to be a lot of people on the IBOC bandwagon - not too many on CAM- > D. Of course - if this is indeed just an update to the old Kahn > system - it can be received by two radios, each one tuned off center > opposite each other. Maybe that is what he is banking on --- again. Kahn never managed to license receivers for ISB, except, apparently, one. It would be more accurate to say he was the "AM stereo buster", thanks to many of his stunts over the years-- He effectively sabotaged the implementation of AM stereo TWICE- The first one in '59- '61, which essentially caused the FCC to not allow the rollout of AM stereo, leaving stereo broadcasting entirely to FM. The second was what caused the "let the marketplace decide" decision and the threat of lawsuits. ISB is good, but Kahn did not help at all- Instead, he hurt the cause so badly, we're still reeling from the impact. If it wasn't for him, we would've had AM stereo at least 45 years ago, and every radio that had stereo would be both AM and FM stereo since then. Instead, he handed it all to GE/Zenith's FM stereo system. AM has suffered since, even when there were the next attempts between '78- '92. Yes, AM stereo did get on the air, but it was too late. AM lost to FM before it had a chance. And what Kahn did, both in the '60s and the '80s, is affecting even AM IBOC. Who the hell is going to take Kahn seriously? He has done his damage. The AM band is an unattractive property, even for the proponents of the IBOC monster. He's a good example of an AM stereo enthusiast whose behavior has done far more harm than good. I like any realistic form of AM stereo- even ISB. I think ISB experimentation and broadcasting should be done. If not in the AM broiadcast band, then on shortwave. But for all the crap he's done, I do not like Kahn. He has hindered us all. Perhaps it's too late to save AM, and I do blame Kahn for a good deal why AM has become the way it is. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 09 20:18:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45848 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2005 04:18:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2005 04:18:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2005 04:18:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2005 04:18:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2005 04:18:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:18:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <420A2BA2.6060809@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 256 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.14 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Cam-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > the site is > http://www.wrathofkahn.org > Egads! Now we finally get to see what ol' Lenny himself looks like: http://www.wrathofkahn.org/images/Kahn_New2.jpg I think "Captain Steve" of 1630 KCJJ said it best about Mr. Kahn: "He's really goofy!" From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Feb 10 06:34:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52941 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2005 14:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2005 14:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.23) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2005 14:34:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:34:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.78.56.35 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:33:11 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:33:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2005 14:34:01.0483 (UTC) FILETIME=[9037C5B0:01C50F7D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.23 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [216.78.56.35] Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: New CAM-D station in Port Arthur, TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 As to Ms. Mousie's opinion of Mr. Kahn, I only have one word. AMEN! MTGC (Michael) >From: "Amy Mousie" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: New CAM-D station in Port Arthur, TX >Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:44:27 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.117 >X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com >Received: from n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.32]) by >mc1-f42.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 >20:03:30 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb >2005 04:02:39 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.160] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 >Feb 2005 04:02:39 -0000 >Received: (qmail 2236 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2005 04:02:31 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >10 Feb 2005 04:02:31 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by >mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2005 04:02:31 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb >2005 04:02:31 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 >Feb 2005 04:02:31 -0000 >Received: (qmail 99647 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2005 03:44:29 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >10 Feb 2005 03:44:29 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by >mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2005 03:44:29 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb >2005 03:44:29 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 >Feb 2005 03:44:29 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFG9tI5SBjzbUuQXy/RK3v3/S6jQNI44ak= >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 >X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie >X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Feb >2005 04:02:30 -0000 >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-20284-1108008159-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2005 04:03:30.0708 (UTC) >FILETIME=[7B519D40:01C50F25] > > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" >wrote: > > > > Leonard Kahn may be the IBOC buster the way he was the C-Quam > > buster. The only thing that concerns me are receivers. There seem > > to be a lot of people on the IBOC bandwagon - not too many on CAM- > > D. Of course - if this is indeed just an update to the old Kahn > > system - it can be received by two radios, each one tuned off >center > > opposite each other. Maybe that is what he is banking on --- again. > >Kahn never managed to license receivers for ISB, except, apparently, >one. > >It would be more accurate to say he was the "AM stereo buster", >thanks to many of his stunts over the years-- He effectively >sabotaged the implementation of AM stereo TWICE- The first one in '59- >'61, which essentially caused the FCC to not allow the rollout of AM >stereo, leaving stereo broadcasting entirely to FM. The second was >what caused the "let the marketplace decide" decision and the threat >of lawsuits. > >ISB is good, but Kahn did not help at all- Instead, he hurt the cause >so badly, we're still reeling from the impact. > >If it wasn't for him, we would've had AM stereo at least 45 years >ago, and every radio that had stereo would be both AM and FM stereo >since then. > >Instead, he handed it all to GE/Zenith's FM stereo system. AM has >suffered since, even when there were the next attempts between '78- >'92. Yes, AM stereo did get on the air, but it was too late. AM lost >to FM before it had a chance. > >And what Kahn did, both in the '60s and the '80s, is affecting even >AM IBOC. > >Who the hell is going to take Kahn seriously? He has done his damage. >The AM band is an unattractive property, even for the proponents of >the IBOC monster. > >He's a good example of an AM stereo enthusiast whose behavior has >done far more harm than good. > >I like any realistic form of AM stereo- even ISB. I think ISB >experimentation and broadcasting should be done. If not in the AM >broiadcast band, then on shortwave. > >But for all the crap he's done, I do not like Kahn. He has hindered >us all. > >Perhaps it's too late to save AM, and I do blame Kahn for a good deal >why AM has become the way it is. > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Feb 10 08:08:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68744 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2005 16:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2005 16:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2005 16:08:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 89009 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2005 16:07:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=wmYXYaif+T89U6XD9njFG3ZLEah47wm5H4Hfd/e2yzbWMW6kNaYsK/p5CRhLbKvfFsME078y8rw1cV4OGRHC7Cq9ndQ8OJFiBAMETHgXe7O1t/tsl2FIyBts0h2vf+VkICCFJ8cTcVEu/+x2mP8LsqrD0zaoBixt6/gHKQIvKaI= ; Message-ID: <20050210160751.89007.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:07:51 PST Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:07:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.144 From: "John P." Subject: I spoke too soon about Uncle Leonard X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Even BE Radio Magazine has picked-up on the Wrath of Kahn: http://beradio.com/iboc_update/iboc_update_020905/#kahn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Feb 10 16:15:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72930 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2005 00:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2005 00:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 00:14:59 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-239.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1B0Ev1D089477 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:14:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001701c50fce$b8767de0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:14:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New CAM-D station in Port Arthur, TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ wrote: > But for all the crap he's done, I do not like Kahn. He has hindered > us all. > Perhaps it's too late to save AM, and I do blame Kahn for a good deal > why AM has become the way it is. I could not agree more!!! There are frequent postings on AMSF about Leonard Kahn and his Cam D digital radio but Amy is dead right about this. Leonard Kahn was never a friend of AM Stereo. I believe in his heart he believed his AM Stereo system was superior to C-Quam and Harris (and he may be right) but in the grand scheme of things, he did as much harm to AM broadcasters as FM... Perhaps more. As Amy stated, Twice (in the early 60's and again in the 80's) Kahn brought the commission to their knees, and instead of making a decision, they made NONE, resulting in chaos and causing the stagnating of AM technology. It was always about Leonard Kahn, not progress for MW broadcasters. Just because Kahn is challenging IBOC doesn't make him an ally. -Jim- From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Feb 10 19:25:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28318 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2005 03:25:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2005 03:25:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 03:25:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:25:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.107.208 by BAY101-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 03:24:53 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:08:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2005 03:25:00.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[44BFE330:01C50FE9] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.85 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.107.208] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Cam-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin T. wrote: >I think "Captain Steve" of 1630 KCJJ said it best about Mr. Kahn: >"He's really goofy!" Still, I have much respect for Kahn. He is the last of the "pioneers of radio" left alive. There would be no AM Stereo at all if not for the technology Kahn developed when he was with Hazeltine Labs and later Kahn Communications. You must remember the World Standard AM Stereo system, C-QUAM, is partially based on technology Motorola stole from Kahn! Kahn was always been an innovator and produced many products for the broadcast industry that were way ahead of their time. His audio processors would blow away anything being produced by his competition and his ISB AM Stereo system was the ONLY system that had NO platform motion or other stereo imaging problems during multipath skywave reception. His PowerSide system is the ONLY AM Transmission system that reduces adjacent channel interference while still allowing full fidelity audio to be broadcast. Now Lenny's newest baby, Cam-D is the ONLY "In Band-On Channel" digital transmission system that allows analog radios to receive the signal in full fidelity while allowing new digital radios to receive the advantages of digital transmission. Yes, Ol' Lenny is GOOD at making enemies, but he is GREAT at making AM broadcast equipment. Kahn does need to hire some good PR people! He really SUCKS in the PR department! If it was not for Kahn, to listen to AM radio, you would be sitting there adjusting a squealing Atwater-Kent radio trying to balance out the '01A tubes to reduce the HD-Radio hash enough to understand what was being broadcast on WOR's morning show! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditpro@cox.net Fri Feb 11 05:07:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48324 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2005 13:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2005 13:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao08.cox.net) (68.230.240.31) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 13:07:09 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.0.17.189]) by lakermmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with SMTP id <20050211130708.NDFC29855.lakermmtao08.cox.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:07:08 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c5103a$94977a70$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:07:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.240.31 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: An Old Idea: ProCasstee (WARNING: Long Post!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An Old Idea: ProCasstte All this talk about Analog vs. Digital and one type of AM stereo system com= pared to another has made me think of an idea I had almost 20 years ago. I'= d like to share it with you and get some feedback about it. I've never real= ly shared it with anybody other than a few close acquaintances and since di= gital recording has taken such a strong hold, it is all but superfluous now= . Still, I'd love to get some feedback on it. First, a little background info. I've been fascinated with recording audio = all of my life but it was only when I started to really get into serious ar= chival recording that I became acquainted with pro and semi-pro recording a= pparatus. In the late 80's, you had several choices for storage formats whe= n recording hi-fi audio. At that time, open reel tape was still considered = the highest quality and most reliable format. It was available in two flavo= rs: quarter track and half track. Quarter track was the home version and it= used alternate tracks for left and right audio channels. The tape was divi= ded into 4 tracks so you could flip the reels over and get twice the record= ing time out of a one tape. Half track was and still is the professional fo= rmat for quarter inch analog tape. Most home model quarter track machines u= sed 7" reels and ran at 7 and =BD or 3 and =BE inches per second (ips). Som= e machines had a third speed choice of 1 and 7/8 for recording a whole bunc= h of low-fi audio on one reel of tape.. 7 and =BD usually gave the best qua= lity of sound. Half track machine use either 7 and =BD ips or 15 ips speeds= and can only record down one side of a reel. 10 inch reels are the standar= d size for these machines but you can use 7" reels and other sizes, as well= . Oh, it's important to note that quarter track tapes and half track tapes = are generally not compatible with one another. Otari half track machines an= d some of the Ampex models had an extra head that allowed you to play back = quarter track tapes, as long as the quarter track tape was recorded at a sp= eed the machine could play. Half track machines didn't allow you to play ba= ck 3 and =BE ips tapes without making an internal modification, most of the= time.=20 Needless to say, open reel was an expensive format both for the machines an= d the blank tapes. I used to steal used tapes from radio stations and bulk = erase them for recording and all of my machines were second hand from junk = shops and yard sales. I got pretty good at working on open reel machines an= d for a time I would re-build them just to sell to other audio enthusiasts.= =20 There were other alternatives. You could get a Beta or VHS VCR with Hi-Fi s= ound and the ability to go into an audio-only mode for recording. The main = drawback with that system is the inability to do any kind of tight punch-in= editing and difficulty cueing audio for playback. I have also found the Hi= -Fi system to be a bit cantankerous when exchanging tapes from one machine = to another. Tracking is always an issue and a even a slightly worn tape can= give you clicks and pops that are rather annoying. DAT tape was just being= introduced around that time but the machines and the media were prohibitiv= ely expensive and the first generation DAT machine didn't perform much bett= er than a VCR in audio only mode anyway. The one format that was both convenient and readily available was Cassette.= If you had the money to purchase a high quality cassette recorder, you cou= ld get very good results with Type II chrome tape for everyday recording, T= ype IV metal tape for really challenging program material and Type I ferrou= s oxide tapes for recording audio if you wanted to ensure compatibility wit= h other machines.like when you'd dub something for a friend. If you had a g= ood machine that was aligned well and had a front panel control for adjusti= ng record bias, Dolby B Noise Reduction could work wonders to reduce the hi= ss. I've had machines that used Dolby C and DBX as well, but those are much= more aggressive forms of NR and the slightest alignment error will cause t= hem to mistrack and unpleasantly color the audio. Also, Dolby B has the abi= lity to be played back without decoding and still be tolerable to listen to= .=20 Although the standard stereo cassette machine usually gave acceptable resul= ts, I was always wishing for more from the format. I came up with a design = for a semi-pro machine that would take advantage of the cassette media and = give really professional recording results. I called the format ProCassette= . Here's how it would work: 1. HEADS. The ProCassette concept starts with a new head configuration. The machine w= ould use a half track format that would correspond physically to the old ha= lf track mono format. This has several advantages over the standard stereo = cassette head configuration which was modeled after the mono scheme to ensu= re compatibility between stereo and mono machines. They are: * The wider tracks allow a higher level to be recorded on the tape without = saturation. * The noise level will be reduced by about 4 dB.=20 * Azimuth alignment will be more stable and less critical when exchanging t= apes from one machine to another. * The incidents of drop-outs would be reduced be half and the format would = be more tolerant of slight anomalies found in many tapes. * The use of more tape to store audio information makes the format a more r= obust medium for long term storage of archival audio. Another possible head configuration would add a third track right in the mi= ddle of the guard band that would allow recording of SMPTE time code on a c= assette. This would be very useful in production situations where accurate = timing is necessary. It could be an option on very high end units and shoul= d not effect the audio performance. My idea is to make this a two head machine and not a three head model where= off-the-tape monitoring could be done. The reasons for not wanting a three= head arrangement (Erase/Record/Playback) and opting for a two head design = (Erase/Record+Play) are: * The three head scheme is way more prone to misalignment errors. * The use of only one record/play head keeps the cost of the machine down. * The simpler head scheme allows room for the use of an Iso-Loop Drive syst= em. (More on that later.)=20 * It would not be necessary to do off-the-tape monitoring for recorder alig= nment because the machine would have on-board alignment circuitry. (More on= that later, too!) * This would allow for a third head to be used for playback of standard ste= reo cassettes. A very useful feature! 2. TRANSPORT AND SPEED. The standard cassette machine uses a transport control that usually involve= s a motor which drives both the capstan and take up reel simultaneously. Ba= ck tension is provided on the supply reel by a simple friction clutch and r= ewinding of the tape is facilitated by a idler that switches power over to = the supply reel when the rewind button is pushed. Fast forwarding a tape is= accomplished by simply retracting the pinch roller away form the tape and = allowing the motor to turn the tale up real. This is a reliable system but = does not give the best wow and flutter performance and in a poorly designed= machine, it can be rough on tapes.=20 To reduce the flutter to a extremely low level two things need to happen: Y= ou need to provide an exact amount of tension to the tape as it passes by t= he heads to ensure good contact with the tape and you need to isolate the t= ape head path from any jitter induced by the movement of the reels. The best way to do this is to use what is called an 'isolated loop drive' o= r iso-loop. The tape machine would have two capstans and pinch rollers. Whe= n you want to record or play, both rollers would grab the tape and a slight= tension would be generated between them. This would provide a vary accurat= e amount of tape tension and would eliminate any jitter caused by reel moti= on which is subject to abnormalities in the tape shell and other anomalies.= =20 The use of combination head design techniques would allow the head body to = incorporate the erase, record/play and standard cassette play heads. This w= ould make head alignment very easy and long lasting, as well. Why? Because = you would be able to use a standard stereo cassette alignment tape to get t= he alignment back on track should it drift over time and there would only b= e two screws, one for height and one for azimuth that would need to be adju= sted for all three heads.=20 The ProCassette format would allow for two speeds: SP (1 and 7/8 ips) and L= P (15/16 ips). The 1 and 7/8 speed is cassette standard and would give you = the highest quality sound. 15/16 would allow for recording low to medium fi= delity audio and would give you the full amount of time advertised on the c= assette. Remember, half track can't be flipped so a tape that says '90 minu= tes' would only give you 45 minutes of recording time. LP speed will give y= ou acceptable, speech quality audio for the entire 90 minutes without havin= g to flip the tape in the middle. This would be a great speed for recording= church services and talk radio programs off the air. The precision tape tr= ansport would also allow you to use 120 minute cassettes without fear of th= e tape becoming tangled. That would give you a full hour of audio in SP mod= e and two uninterrupted hours of recording in LP mode. Some might want to have a higher recording speed available like 3 and =BE. = Some professional cassette machines offer this higher speed but use the sam= e track width as standard cassette. The extra wide tracks more than make up= for any gain is quality you'd get from using a double speed for recording = and playback. Also, the loss of recording time is another disadvantage. You= would only get 22 and =BD minutes from a 90 minute tape. A variable speed control would be a standard feature for adjusting playback= pitch. There would be two motors used, one for the capstans and one for th= e reels. 3. AUTO RECORD ALIGNMENT and NR. One of the most crucial things in analog tape recording is the machine's al= ignment in regard to the brand of tape being used. Tape characteristics var= y from brand to brand and even from batch to batch made by the same company= . Good cassette decks have a list of the brands and types of tapes that wil= l give the best results with the machine. Better cassette machines provide = a front panel control that let's you adjust bias for each brand of tape you= use. The very best machines have controls that allow you to tweak bias and= record levels.=20 This can be a double edged sword. The more control you have over the electr= onic alignment, the more chance you have of getting it wrong or forgetting = to do it before recording something. If you are rushing to get the tape rol= ling so you can catch something off the radio, for instance, taking the tim= e to properly align the machine might not be an option. You could avoid thi= s by simply sticking to one brand of tape and stetting up the machine for i= t but if you're like me, you probably grab the cheapest tape you can find o= r re-use stolen tapes for your recording. The solution is to let the machin= e do the work and remember a group of setting that can be stored in memory = and called up with the push of a button. When you get a new tape and are ready to record, all you would have to do i= s put it in the machine and push the 'align' button. The machine would then= fast forward the tape about one minute in, record a few seconds of an alig= nment tone and then rewind it and play it back. The machine could then use = logic circuits to compare the output of the tape to standard playback and m= ake bias and level compensations in the record electronics to match. It wou= ld then record another few seconds of the alignment tone to verify the resu= lts, rewind the tape back to the beginning, ready to record. The whole proc= ess would only take about 30 seconds and there would be little room for err= or. You could then save the setting as a preset and call it up anytime you = used that particular brand of tape.=20 Proper bias and record levels are crucial if you use any king of Noise Redu= ction. It is my opinion that the ProCassettte would be best served by Dolby= 's SR NR system. It is available on many high end Sony standard cassette ma= chines and gives great sounding results. The machine would also have the ca= pability to decode Dolby B, C and DBX for standard cassette playback. The Dolby SR system would bring the noise level down to around -90 dB on a = ProCassette machine in SP mode which is comparable to CD quality audio. The= NR would also be very useful in LP mode because of the loss of high end fr= equencies and the necessity for more aggressive pre-emphasis curves. Evan w= ith the NR switched off, I would expect noise figures of around -70 dB when= using high bias tape with ProCassette.=20 4. ADVANCED AGC. A ProCassette machine would have a fine set of meters for setting input lev= els that showed both the average and peak levels of the audio. There would = be both a master gain control and a balance control for adjusting levels. T= his would allow you to do fades in and out with out changing balance. The machine will also contain a high quality AGC that you could switch into= the input circuit AFTER the master input level control. The AGC would perf= orm long term gain riding over a 15 dB range. This would an advanced AGC ci= rcuit that used multi-time constants to smoothly handle sudden rises in lev= el and extremes in dynamic range. It's operation would be almost undetectab= le on most audio and would greatly enhance the versatility of the ProCasset= te when used to record live events and audio from many different sources. U= nlike many pro machine that only allow an either/or choice between automati= c and manual level control, ProCassette would let you monitor the recorders= output and make slight level changes before the AGC without much noticeabl= e effect on the final output of the recording. Very useful in live situatio= ns or anytime you are in a big hurry to get something on tape! The AGC could be completely switched off when you are working with delicate= audio where an AGC would be most objectionable. 5. CONCLUSION There you have it! I have had that idea floating around in my head for almo= st 20 years and I still think it would be an awesome recorder. I know that = the modern DAT machine and the MD can do many of those functions but for an= old tape head like me, analog still holds a special appeal. Maybe if I had= pursued that idea years ago, we'd be talking about how ell the ProCassette= tapes have held up all these years! Thanks for reading this long-ass post and please tell me what you think of = the idea. :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougharding@bellsouth.net Fri Feb 11 09:43:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27206 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2005 17:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2005 17:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 17:43:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2005 17:39:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2005 17:39:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:39:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 452 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.100 Subject: Re: New CAM-D station in Port Arthur, TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > But for all the crap he's done, I do not like Kahn. He has hindered > us all. > > Perhaps it's too late to save AM, and I do blame Kahn for a good deal > why AM has become the way it is. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Hi Everyone. I know I only post every once in a while but Amy I agree with you 150%. I also feel Kahn is responsible for destroying AM Stereo and the AM band. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Fri Feb 11 12:58:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55128 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2005 20:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2005 20:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 20:58:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2005 20:58:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2005 20:58:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:58:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 155 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 62.55.106.95 Subject: JRC NRD-545 with AM Stereo switch ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan This must be a first for an HF communications recever, news to me anyway...Even works outside of the MW band so in theory SW stations could use c-quam ! From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Feb 11 16:56:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27772 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2005 00:56:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2005 00:56:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 00:56:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2005 00:56:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2005 00:56:22 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7306 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2005 07:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2005 07:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 07:09:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2005 07:09:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2005 07:09:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:09:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3164 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.117 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Cam-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Feb 2005 00:56:20 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Kevin T. wrote: > >I think "Captain Steve" of 1630 KCJJ said it best about Mr. Kahn: > >"He's really goofy!" > > Still, I have much respect for Kahn. He is the last of the "pioneers of radio" left alive. There would be no AM Stereo at all if not for the technology Kahn developed when he was with Hazeltine Labs and later Kahn Communications. You must remember the World Standard AM Stereo system, C-QUAM, is partially based on technology Motorola stole from Kahn! =SNIP= Trust me, Kahn didn't invent ISB or QuAM. Kahn's idea actually came out of working with military phased-SSB and quadrature AM equipment- The same technology that made RCA's color TV system possible, which actually predates Kahn's first patents. If anything, Kahn owes his AM stereo innovations to patents that AT&T and Western Electric files in 1925, which in turn are based on a patent filed in 1915 (issued in 1923) for single-sideband by way of quadrature phasing, filed by AT&T. Between 1925 and 1955 there were over half a dozen unique patents pertaining to AM stereo-- The one that practically started it all in the 1950s was a Dutch patent- I forget its number right off, but it was issued in 1953, and got cited by several companies. The impetus for the 1950s AM stereo explosion? Murray G. Crosby's FM/FM stereo system, which, had the FCC notr have decided on GE/Zenith's system, would've become the de-facto FM stereo standard, since so many had FM stereo adapter kits in the 1950s, and about a hundred stations used it from time to time. Companies wanted to bring stereo to AM just so they could keep in pace with Crosby (and Crosby had a hand in AM stereo, involved in Westinghouse's AM stereo attempt). Kahn was the first to demonstrate AM stereo- shortly after Crosby demonstrated FM stereo in 1952. Kahn, however, didn't invent it. It WAS inevitable, since there were already periodiuc stereo broadcasts over paired stations since the mid '20s. But if you read the NAB papers of the time, and read the FCC's decision- and I have- Kahn made it impossible for the FCC to approve AM stereo beyond experimentation- And this was considering that the FCC was considering a full sweep of AM, FM and TV stereo, but only FM stereo could be approved. Why? The TV stereo proposals were inadeqyate, and Kahn made AM stereo an impossibility, so it's no telling whether we would've had his, Westinghouse's, Philco's, CBS's or RCA's systems in use. He was not original, but he was destructive. And Motorola.... I don't see how Kahn can make the claim, other than perhaps C-QUAM uses PM to create QuAM in Motorola's originally- proposed model. In truth, C-QUAM owes alot to one of RCA's AMS designs using a "modified" QuAM, which instead of L+R for the envelope, it was 1+L+R, plus the use of limiters. Motorola made it "compatible" by applying a deceptively-simple cosine-correction system, using, apparently, a zero-tangent corrector. Yes, Kahn demonstrated AMS first in the 1950s, but he really was not the innovator some would call him. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Feb 11 16:56:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 34059 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2005 00:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2005 00:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 00:56:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2005 00:56:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2005 00:56:42 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69519 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2005 20:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2005 20:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 20:12:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2005 20:12:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2005 20:12:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:12:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3134 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.117 Subject: Re: New CAM-D station in Port Arthur, TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Feb 2005 00:56:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > Hi Everyone. I know I only post every once in a while but Amy I agree > with you 150%. I also feel Kahn is responsible for destroying AM > Stereo and the AM band. Although there were 17 years between the FM stereo decision and FM's overtaking of AM, AM lost its chance for an equal footing when the FCC refused to allow regular usage of AM stereo. This alone can be singlehandedly blamed on Leonard Kahn and his outbursts and lack of forthcoming about his system of the time. (Sound familiar?) Without that equal footing right then and there, in 1961, AM didn't have a chance with the new and growing threat of FM stereo. The second attempt, in 1978 was already too late for AM, even though the opportunity was far better than it was in 1959. The wrangling over the choice for Magnavox in 1980, then Motorola in 1982, then the infamous "let the market decide" decision- which Kahn was responsible for, as the FCC was getting fed up with him AGAIN- followed bu other unrelated factors (royalties and the abandonment of the "clear channel" system), and just as it became a moot matter- nearly all radios were C-QUAM, but stations were getting out of hit music formats- C-QUAM finally became the standard. By then, AM had lost its footing. It was no longer king. It just didn't matter anymore, even though by 1996, there were still 600 stations in the US broadcasting C-QUAM (down from nearly 900 at peak)...and then there was the Telecommunications Act of 1996, something I blame BOTH sides of the aisle on, as well as a very greedy broadcasting industry. Soon, the biggest anti-AMS owners started buying up every station they could get their grubby little claws into-- Particularly the AMS outlets- and proceedede to decimate what was left of AM stereo down to well under 300 by now. C-QUAM still lives, IN SPITE of the "best" intentions of certain people-- Still, a full 10% of all car radios are AMS radios, but who would know? With only about 50 stations left, finding an AMSer, much less one that's actually mainstream and not news/talk, makes that fact a futile venture. More power to those who have hung in there! You have stayed stereo in the face of Kahn and the forces behind the work of evil known as the Telecom Act of '96! IBOC can't save AM. C-QUAM can't save AM. But with dedication, AM, and particular, AM stereo, can be salvaged. Kahn is getting old. It's only a matter of time when he'll be gone from the scene, then we can all breathe easier. And maybe, without Kahn, we can resurrect AM, and hopefully make AM what FM was intended to be-- An extension of commercial and community broadcasting. FM was supposed to be Band II, just as the upper VHF of TV is TV's Band II, and UHF as TV's Band III. Perhaps, by the end of this decade- without digital and Kahn- we can make AM into the "new" "Band II" of broadcasting-- And start over again. I would like to see that, but I know that things are going to get ALOT worse before they get better. AM will survive. It has to. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Feb 11 16:57:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31664 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2005 00:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2005 00:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 00:57:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2005 00:56:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2005 00:56:58 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19977 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2005 21:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2005 21:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 21:44:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2005 21:44:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2005 21:44:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:44:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 939 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.117 Subject: Re: JRC NRD-545 with AM Stereo switch ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Feb 2005 00:56:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > This must be a first for an HF communications recever, news to me > anyway...Even works outside of the MW band so in theory SW stations > could use c-quam ! The 545 has been available for a number of years, and superceded the 535. And yes, it is the only commercially-available stereo shortwave receiver ever made and marketed. Basicly, it takes the concept of the synchronous detector that Sony capitalized on in the 2001D/2010 (although sync detectors have been known- and used- since the dawn of AM/SSB-mode communications, and even having I/Q outputs in practical use since the dawn of broadcasting), and offer a stereo output of both the I and Q as stereo. However, I have yet to hear any recordings made from a 545, so I have no clue about its performance on the LW, MW and SW bands. I wish I had the money for a 545, though. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Feb 11 17:26:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36275 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2005 01:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2005 01:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao07.cox.net) (68.230.241.32) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 01:26:42 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050212012641.EBCB1747.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:26:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:26:38 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.32 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New CAM-D station in Port Arthur, TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AM lost its chance when broadcasters and the FCC didn't demand radios with high fidelity reception. Stereo, in my opinion, had very little to do with it. On Feb 11, 2005, at 12:12 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > Although there were 17 years between the FM stereo decision and FM's > overtaking of AM, AM lost its chance for an equal footing when the > FCC refused to allow regular usage of AM stereo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 11 20:45:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6734 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2005 04:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2005 04:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14224.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 04:45:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 11107 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2005 04:45:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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Subject: re: An Old Idea: ProCassette X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Joe Collins" wrote: Subject: An Old Idea: ProCasstee (WARNING: Long Post!)An Old Idea: ProCasstte" Joe: good idea, but didn't Sony make something a little similar called the "Elcassette" in a larger physical size, room for 3 heads and 2 pinch rollers and running at 3-3/4 IPS? They didn't have a time code though. I remember reading something about it in the old Popular Electronics or StereoReview magazines circa 1976-1980?? You do have a great idea - too bad it isn't a product available now. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Feb 11 21:41:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73182 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2005 05:41:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2005 05:41:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 05:41:56 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-239.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1C5foMC089752 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:41:52 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003b01c510c5$8d279370$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:41:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New CAM-D station in Port Arthur, TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> Amy Mousie wrote: >> Although there were 17 years between the FM stereo decision and FM's >> overtaking of AM, AM lost its chance for an equal footing when the >> FCC refused to allow regular usage of AM stereo. > "Richard Wagoner" replied: > AM lost its chance when broadcasters and the FCC didn't demand radios > with high fidelity reception. Stereo, in my opinion, had very little to > do with it. I disagree. If we had a viable, full fidelity AM Stereo format in place in the early-to-mid 60's, I don't believe music formats would have jumped to FM in the mid-to-late 70's. The original migration began with AOR stations. These stations played music predominantly from album tracks, most of which were pressed in stereo at the time and the listeners were people with a passion about their music. If AM Stereo was readily available at this time, there would have been no need for AOR and other music stations to move to the FM band. Originally, FM radio reception wasn't nearly as reliable as it is today. Most FM antennas were vertically polarized, subject to increased multipath. I bought an in-dash AM/FM radio for my car in 1969 or 1970 and I remember listening to an FM station 35 miles away which broadcasted with 60,000 watts and the reception wasn't nearly as good as the 5,000 watt AM stations at the same distance. If those flamethrowing AM stations had C-QUAM stereo and AMAX specifications, I don't think anyone would have even considered moving to FM. WLS, WCFL, WLW, WHAS, KMOX, WABC, WNBC, WLAC and a host of others couldn't be touched by an FM in their area of dominant influence... Not to mention their skywave listeners. I grew up in an area that had 2 killer AM signals. One was WLW (Cincinnati) and the other was WLAC (Nashville). WLW's signal boomed in here 24 hours a day and I was in the best part (as far as refraction or skip is concerned) of WLAC's northern lobe, and they were louder and clearer at night than any of the locals. No music station in their right mind would have migrated to FM if they didn't have the benefit of stereo. I believe that if C-Quam were available in 1960, and if we had PLL tuning circuits with AFC ( automatic frequency control), I believe the FM band today would still be littered with B/EZ stations and religious broadcasters. This is just a personal preference, but I have posted here many times that there is a 1,000 watt AM station (with 50-60 watts at night) 20 miles from my house that broadcasts in C-Quam stereo and they are still a music station (adult contemporary) and I love their sound. The airchain is one of the best I have ever heard for an AM station and they sound as good as any FM in Indiana. I listen to them in my car on a Delco FM/AM stereo (the one with the 5-band EQ) and at home I listen on the Radio Shack TM-152 tuner and they sound terrific! I know the writing is on the wall for AM Stereo, but the demise of AM-Stereo isn't because of IBOC, just as Any stated, AM was doomed 40 years ago when stereo was just beginning to rise. -Jim- From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Feb 12 01:04:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9714 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2005 09:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2005 09:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 09:04:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2005 09:04:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2005 09:04:00 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98714 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2005 06:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2005 06:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 06:37:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2005 06:37:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2005 06:37:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:37:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003b01c510c5$8d279370$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 702 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.117 Subject: Re: New CAM-D station in Port Arthur, TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Feb 2005 09:03:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > >> Amy Mousie wrote: =snippers= Jim, the way I see it, FM would still seem like it is, today, except it would've been the extension of the AM band, and just as there were clear channels, regionals and local services on AM, FM would continue to serve as localized venues and small-area & line-of-sight broadcasting, as well as more community-oriented services. We would've had a continuous selection of news and music on both bands, and each band would compliment the other. This notion was dashed in those decisions. Radio could've blossomed into something grand. It could've been the American Dream. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Feb 12 02:18:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7214 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2005 10:18:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2005 10:18:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 10:18:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2005 10:18:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2005 10:18:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:18:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1222 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 217.51.144.23 Subject: Re: JRC NRD-545 with AM Stereo switch ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > > > This must be a first for an HF communications recever, news to me > > anyway...Even works outside of the MW band so in theory SW stations > > could use c-quam ! > > The 545 has been available for a number of years, and superceded the > 535. And yes, it is the only commercially-available stereo shortwave > receiver ever made and marketed. > > Basicly, it takes the concept of the synchronous detector that Sony > capitalized on in the 2001D/2010 (although sync detectors have been > known- and used- since the dawn of AM/SSB-mode communications, and > even having I/Q outputs in practical use since the dawn of > broadcasting), and offer a stereo output of both the I and Q as > stereo. > > However, I have yet to hear any recordings made from a 545, so I have > no clue about its performance on the LW, MW and SW bands. > > I wish I had the money for a 545, though. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I see one on ebay UK at the moment, yes very pricy. There's a few positive comments about AMS on the 545 at http://www.ticon.net/~n9ewo/545old.html From starship_2001@msn.com Sat Feb 12 04:38:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6787 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2005 12:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2005 12:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.173.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 12:38:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:38:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.207.116 by BAY5-DAV31.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:37:16 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:37:16 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <28418-420DF87C-3282@storefull-3136.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "John P." 's message of Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:45:30 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2005 12:38:00.0650 (UTC) FILETIME=[B01072A0:01C510FF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.173.61 X-eGroups-From: starship_2001@msn.com (Norbert 26) From: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: [209.240.207.116] Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: An Old Idea: ProCassette X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Yes it was a great idea wish it was available i still use the casette format and proberly always will. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Feb 12 09:18:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18376 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2005 17:17:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2005 17:17:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 17:17:59 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.69]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:17:57 -0700 Message-ID: <007101c51127$10cd1680$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <000601c5103a$94977a70$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:19:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2005 17:17:57.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBFF41E0:01C51126] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} An Old Idea: ProCasstee (WARNING: Long Post!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think something similar was proposed back in the late 70s. The problem with a two-head system is that a good playback head has a very narrow gap, whereas a recording head requires something a bit wider. What you proposed, especially with the auto-alignment feature, would have been very expensive to do without advances in microprocessor technology. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Collins" My idea is to make this a two head machine and not a three head model where off-the-tape monitoring could be done. The reasons for not wanting a three head arrangement (Erase/Record/Playback) and opting for a two head design (Erase/Record+Play) are: From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Feb 12 09:19:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97698 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2005 17:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2005 17:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 17:19:12 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.69]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:19:10 -0700 Message-ID: <007a01c51127$3ccd2040$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <003b01c510c5$8d279370$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:21:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2005 17:19:11.0616 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7F19000:01C51126] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New CAM-D station in Port Arthur, TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Nope- all FM was horizontally polarized until sometime in the 60s. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" Originally, FM radio reception wasn't nearly as reliable as it is today. Most FM antennas were vertically polarized, subject to increased multipath. From badeditpro@cox.net Sat Feb 12 11:37:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79204 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2005 19:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2005 19:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 19:37:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2005 19:37:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2005 19:37:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:37:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007101c51127$10cd1680$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2901 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: An Old Idea: ProCasstee (WARNING: Long Post!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Hey all=85 Thanks for taking the time to read through that thing=85 "The problem with a two-head system is that a good playback head has=20 a very narrow gap, whereas a recording head requires something a bit=20 wider." This is certainly true for open reel but cassette has been formulated=20 especially for a standard record/play head gap width because 99 out=20 of 100 of the machines in use have that head configuration. With the=20 addition of Dolby HX PRO, which adjusts record bias levels=20 dynamically in accordance with the program material, you probably=20 won't notice much difference.=20=20 I have been re-thinking things a bit since I posted this here and=20 I've realized that a three motor system could probably eliminate the=20 need for the Iso-Loop Drive. Iso-Loop is rather tricky and would=20 make the machine almost as expensive to build as the three head=20 system so you could add an extra motor to provide accurate back=20 tension and open up an access hole for another head body. Now, we=20 are taling about having four heads! (Erase/Record/Play/Standard=20 Play.) The three head setup would also make the self alignment=20 process a lot easier, too, because the logic could be simplified a=20 bit. The only thing I'm concerned about here is the potential for=20 azimuth alegnment errors between the two head bodies=85 I wonder if it=20 would be possible to have a composite head with four heads bulit in=20 that could handle all the functions? I'll have to do some checking=20 and find out=85=20=20 By the way, the self alignment method has been around a while. I got=20 the idea from the ITC 99B cart machines. They used to align the=20 heads (yes, they trimmed azimuth!) for each cart recorded. My idea=20 is to align the electronics and leave azimuth alone. I've heard of=20 some cassette decks that had this feature but I never actually saw=20 one. John P. brought up the ElCassette. What a cool idea that was!=20 Unfortunately, the compact cassette was already a well entrenched=20 technology by the time Sony brought it out. The decks and the media=20 were expense. My idea has the advatage of using media that is ubiquitous and dirt=20 cheap. We're just pushing it out to the absolute limits of=20 performance here. Although many of these features are available on=20 other decks, the reconfiguration of the heads to a half track format=20 is where the improvements really come from. Cassettes pack four=20 track on to a 1/8" tape and there is a rather large guard band=20 between each side to match the old mono standard. Believe it or not,=20 there is a lot of wasted space on a cassette tape! I just want to=20 take advantage of it=85. I don't think anybody has ever done that=20 before. I'm really thinking about this again after many years and I think I'm=20 going to persue it. There might still be a market for the idea after=20 all. Hey, I know there are a few old tape heads still out there!=20=20 We'll see :) JC From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Feb 12 12:39:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69670 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2005 20:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2005 20:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 20:39:20 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-239.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1CKdHMq030274 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:39:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001201c51142$ec852670$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <003b01c510c5$8d279370$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> <007a01c51127$3ccd2040$d503fea9@home1> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:39:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New CAM-D station in Port Arthur, TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Scott Todd wrote: > Nope- all FM was horizontally polarized until sometime in the 60s. I stand corrected. I knew circular polarization wasn't in use and if I really thought about my statement, I would know it was horizontally polarized because that's what made it so hard to pick up on car radios. -Jim- From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Feb 12 12:49:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8192 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2005 20:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2005 20:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 20:49:31 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-239.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1CKnQZo031446; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:49:27 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001301c51144$57832cf0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <000601c5103a$94977a70$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:49:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} An Old Idea: ProCasstee (WARNING: Long Post!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 I found you idea fascinating and if it were 10 years ago I would have tried to find a way to cash in on a great idea. But (here comes the "but") today everything is digital. There is no room for another analog tape format. Analog formats are dying a quick death. Cassette use by consumers declines every year (it never was considered a great media for broadcasting due to the limited fidelity, a result of the narrow tracks and slow transport speed) and open reel recording finally died a few years ago. I know MP3 recordings are lossy, but most people consider them to be superior to even the modern cassette. I work at a 4 station cluster in South-Central Indiana and we do not have a single tape machine in the building. Our Otari reel-to-reel machines have joined the turntables in the junk room or were sold on eBay long ago. We had a $1200 Nakamichi cassette recorder in our production room and sounded great for a cassette but it now sits in my den at home (right next to an Otari reel-to-reel machine I purchased from the station and I never use them at home either). Agency produced commercials used to be sent on open reel (tails out) recorded at 7 1/2 IPS but today they are all Internet delivered at spottaxi.com/fastchannel.com. Commercial distribution among other local radio stations is done via mp3/email. Most public service announcements are released by agencies on CD. Syndicated programming (Rick Dees/Casey Kasem/Ryan Secrest countdowns) is sent on compact discs. If a local client wanted a copy of their commercial, we used to record it on a cassette and take it to the client. Today we either email it as an MP3 or burn it to a CD and take it to the client. Our newsroom uses Sony Mini-disc recorders for recording bytes/actualities in the field and our on-air studios all use Adobe Audition/Cool Edit Pro for recording callers or recording tracks for on-air bits. Our production room used to have a Roland digital hard drive multi-track recorder but it was finally retired last November, being replaced with another PC running Adobe Audition. As for consumers, most use iPods or other MP3 players or they simply buy or make their own CDs. It's a great idea, just a few years late for mass consumer use (in my opinion). -Jim- From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sat Feb 12 16:56:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16026 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 00:56:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2005 00:56:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 00:56:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2005 00:56:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2005 00:56:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:56:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007a01c51127$3ccd2040$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 291 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 69.109.161.210 Subject: {AMSF} Re: New CAM-D station in Port Arthur, TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 How would you like to see tuners with multipath meters again? I had a Realistic TM 1001 that had one. Nice FM tuner. Tom > > > Originally, FM radio reception wasn't nearly as reliable as it > is today. Most FM antennas were vertically polarized, subject to increased > multipath. From badeditpro@cox.net Sat Feb 12 17:17:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17201 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 01:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2005 01:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 01:17:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2005 01:17:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2005 01:17:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:17:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c51144$57832cf0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 820 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: {AMSF} An Old Idea: ProCasstee (WARNING: Long Post!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Jim, I'm well aware of all that=85 I have been responsible for eliminating=20 cart machines and open reels in a number of radio stations myself,=20 both as a PD and engineer. My home studio is all digital with MD's=20 and Adobe/Cool Edit Pro along with a very nice Sony CD Recorder.=20=20 Heck, I have worked on Digital Signal Processors for the last couple=20 of years as a hobby and I have about 10,000 songs in MP3 format on an=20 external hard drive that I use to make CD's for radio music=20 libraries. (192 kbps/Full Stereo/LAME Encoder.) All that said, I=20 still love the warmth and depth of analog audio. Digital, even at=20 96/24 bit resolution, is cold and metallic sometimes=85 You must=20 forgive my nostalgia carrying me away just a little. Still, you=20 gotta admit it would be something fun to play with, you know? :) JC From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sat Feb 12 17:24:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59517 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 01:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2005 01:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 01:24:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2005 01:24:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2005 01:24:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:24:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c51144$57832cf0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1989 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 69.109.161.210 Subject: Re: {AMSF} An Old Idea: ProCasstee (WARNING: Long Post!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I concur. In 1990, I spent a year putting music on cassettes by year. After I bought a CD-R machine, I spent another year making CD-R's! The only time I use my cassette deck nowadays is when I'm dubbing off airchecks to CD-R. Tom is digital. > There is no room for another analog tape format. Analog formats are dying a > quick death. Cassette use by consumers declines every year (it never was > considered a great media for broadcasting due to the limited fidelity, a > result of the narrow tracks and slow transport speed) and open reel > recording finally died a few years ago. I know MP3 recordings are lossy, > but most people consider them to be superior to even the modern cassette. I > work at a 4 station cluster in South-Central Indiana and we do not have a > single tape machine in the building. Our Otari reel-to-reel machines have > joined the turntables in the junk room or were sold on eBay long ago. We had > a $1200 Nakamichi cassette recorder in our production room and sounded great > for a cassette but it now sits in my den at home (right next to an Otari > reel-to-reel machine I purchased from the station and I never use them at > home either). > Agency produced commercials used to be sent on open reel (tails out) > recorded at 7 1/2 IPS but today they are all Internet delivered at > spottaxi.com/fastchannel.com. Commercial distribution among other local > radio stations is done via mp3/email. Most public service announcements are > released by agencies on CD. Syndicated programming (Rick Dees/Casey > Kasem/Ryan Secrest countdowns) is sent on compact discs. If a local client > wanted a copy of their commercial, we used to record it on a cassette and > take it to the client. Today we either email it as an MP3 or burn it to a > CD and take it to the client. Our newsroom uses Sony Mini-disc recorders > for recording bytes/actualities in the field and our on-air studios all use > -Jim- From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Feb 12 20:02:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19923 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 04:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2005 04:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.241.30) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 04:02:12 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050213040212.WADN8811.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:02:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <003b01c510c5$8d279370$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> References: <003b01c510c5$8d279370$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:02:07 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.30 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New CAM-D station in Port Arthur, TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They went to FM because no AM station would play the music. FM stations=20 were losing money, so they had nothing to lose. Tom Donahue used to call FM stations; those with disconnected phones=20 were the first he would pitch the idea to. Stereo had nothing to do with it. Richard Wagoner On Feb 11, 2005, at 9:41 PM, Jim Burgan wrote: > The original migration began with AOR stations. > These stations played music predominantly from album tracks, most of=20 > which > were pressed in stereo at the time and the listeners were people with=20 > a > passion about their music.=A0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Feb 12 20:13:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22749 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 04:13:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2005 04:13:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 04:13:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 49072 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2005 04:13:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ZrWgfcghSeZ5KN68P7B8Zza3uRyOzga/PSrR+XHlQZvphBFakDYwJMHRXjn27hTrqc1+yzPl7rK4J2cq3YXd7hYRvthrEJn9qP8HhlmPQLeGJY6f2/8CvRdIoyh3PJV4X7lDSIOD3LF+5ucQvZMB5o0t1niNBuKB04OGTGk5hkw= ; Message-ID: <20050213041334.49069.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.61.40] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:13:34 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:13:34 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.172.151 From: "John P." Subject: Ed's Looking for an AMS Mod Monitor?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Is this a joke or for real?? "Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:01:07 +0000 From: ebukont@comcast.net Subject: [RT] C-quam mod monitor To: Broadcast Radio Technical Forum I am looking for a C-quam mod monitor in good working order. Contact me off list if you have one for sale. Thank you Ed Bukont ebukont@msn.com or ebukont@comcast.net" I thought Ed hated AM Stereo and all of us? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From mspatoray@sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 12 23:28:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspatoray@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26724 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 07:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2005 07:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.179) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 07:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (mspatoray@sbcglobal.net@64.108.116.206 with login) by smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 07:28:27 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:28:25 -0500 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.179 From: Matt Patoray Subject: What REALLY spells doom for AM and many other kinds of radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178375692 X-Yahoo-Profile: mpatoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yesterday I was talking with some fell Hams and we where talking about something that could wipe out VLF,LF,MF,HF even possibly some VHF and UHF. And this is BPL or Broadband Over Powerlines. This is possibly the stupidest thing that the FCC has ever let companies get by with. Sending a digital signal over power lines and transmission systems designed for 60 Hz makes for broadband craps spewed out everywhere. So all of this talk about C-QUAM IBOC and DRM can be a moot point, you may not be able to pick up anything but digital hash anyway. Just my $.02 worth for today. Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Feb 13 09:09:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36834 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 17:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2005 17:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 17:09:31 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-239.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1DH9TGW023353 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:09:30 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000901c511ee$c7f99b40$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:09:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} An Old Idea: ProCasstee (WARNING: Long Post!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > "JC" wrote: > I'm well aware of all that. I have been responsible for > eliminating > cart machines and open reels in a number of radio stations myself, > both as a PD and engineer. My home studio is all digital with > MD's > and Adobe/Cool Edit Pro along with a very nice Sony CD Recorder. > Heck, I have worked on Digital Signal Processors for the last couple > of years as a hobby and I have about 10,000 songs in MP3 format on an > external hard drive that I use to make CD's for radio music > libraries. (192 kbps/Full Stereo/LAME Encoder.) All that said, I > still love the warmth and depth of analog audio. Digital, even at > 96/24 bit resolution, is cold and metallic sometimes. You must > forgive my nostalgia carrying me away just a little. Still, you > gotta admit it would be something fun to play with, you know. I do agree with that. Analog does have a 'presence' or 'warmth' that is hard to describe.And... You I would love to have such a plaything! BTW: I have a BE Cart recorder and a 3 bay cart player in my garage. I retired them from the radio station first, then from my den. Now they just sit there. From badeditpro@cox.net Sun Feb 13 10:35:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61797 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 18:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2005 18:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 18:35:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2005 18:35:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2005 18:35:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:35:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c511ee$c7f99b40$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2813 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: An Old Idea: ProCasstee (WARNING: Long Post!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Jim, I used to be fascinated with cart machines! I had a ton of carts and=20 machines at one point. One of the absolute coolest things I ever=20 worked with was Fidelapac machines that worked in matrix mode. The=20 sum was recorded on the standard left channel track and the=20 difference was recorded on the right. This idea came along very late=20 in the game for cart machines. The huge advantages to using matrix=20 recording was that there was absolutely no phase error when the audio=20 was combined to mono. Stereo cart machines were notorious for having=20 problems with precise azimuth alignment from cart to cart. Also,=20 matrix recording was completely compatible with mono format carts and=20 machines! I had a setup where there were a bunch of old mono UMC=20 machines in the news room and stereo machines running in matrix mode=20 in the main studio at one station I helped build on a low budget and=20 everything was interchangeable. The news reporter could take his=20 spots in the news room and play them back in the old UMCs and=20 anything that was recorded in there, like a newscast for later=20 broadcast, could be played in the main studio. It was beautiful. A=20 perfect setup for AM stereo. Of coarse, any standard stereo cart=20 wouldn't work in our station so I had one standard stereo machine in=20 the production room just in case you ever had to pull something off=20 of a cart from somewhere else. I think I only had to do that once,=20 though. The only drawback was that matrix recording tends to be=20 slightly noisier than discrete stereo so you have to use carts with=20 high bias tape and a 250 nW standard to compensate. I had all Scotch=20 Carts so that was not a problem at all there. Now we have digital and phase problems are a thing of the past=85 It's=20 funny to me that the technology has improved so much for radio but=20 the programming has gotten so bad. Every new technical advance has=20 been used to cheapen the product at every opportunity with voice=20 tracks, fully automated weekend programming and such. I often=20 wonder what it would sound like if you took all this instant access=20 we have now and combined it with a staff of talented people who had=20 the creative freedom to use it to it's full potential. In my pinion, it isn't IBOC or XM or Internet that's going to be the=20 downfall of AM radio and FM, for that matter, as we know it.=20 It's=20 the crappy programming and the general apathy found among=20 programmers today that's going to shut the lid on the coffin. A 5kHz=20 band width on AM and the intro duction of IBOC everywhere is only=20 going to help it along a little faster=85 it's been sick since Telecom=20 '96 and now it's on it's last legs. The sad part is that most folks=20 in the industry don't seem to know it yet. What a rude awakening=20 they have coming in a few years! :) JC From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Feb 13 13:31:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57471 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 21:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2005 21:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 21:31:43 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.108]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:31:41 -0700 Message-ID: <002b01c51213$af5fd8e0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:33:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2005 21:31:42.0018 (UTC) FILETIME=[68B33220:01C51213] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What REALLY spells doom for AM and many other kinds of radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The ARRL has been all over it trying to stop it, and though looks like it might get tried in a few places, it hasn't worked too well where it has, so it may not happen on a widespread basis. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Patoray" Yesterday I was talking with some fell Hams and we where talking about something that could wipe out VLF,LF,MF,HF even possibly some VHF and UHF. And this is BPL or Broadband Over Powerlines. This is possibly the stupidest thing that the FCC has ever let companies get by with. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Feb 13 13:36:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90680 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 21:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2005 21:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 21:36:26 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.108]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:36:20 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01c51214$55bfb480$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20050213041334.49069.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:38:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2005 21:36:21.0116 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F0E2BC0:01C51214] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ed's Looking for an AMS Mod Monitor?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I believe he's for real. One thing a CQuAM monitor can do is check a TX for phase noise, which has to be minimized for IBOC just as it does for AM stereo. Might also be he has a client interested in AM stereo. There was a guy in Chicago who was installing it for at least one, if not two, stations, and of course, Alan Alsobrook resurrected it at a station in FL. Hard to tell these days. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." Is this a joke or for real?? "Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:01:07 +0000 From: ebukont@comcast.net I am looking for a C-quam mod monitor in good working order. Contact me off list if you have one for sale. Thank you Ed Bukont ebukont@msn.com or ebukont@comcast.net" From mspatoray@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 13 20:45:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspatoray@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84254 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2005 04:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2005 04:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2005 04:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (mspatoray@sbcglobal.net@64.108.116.206 with login) by smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2005 04:45:10 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:45:09 -0500 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002b01c51213$af5fd8e0$d503fea9@home1> Mime-version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.80 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Re: {AMSF} What REALLY spells doom for AM and many other kinds of radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178375692 X-Yahoo-Profile: mpatoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well we can only hope. Matt On 2/13/05 4:33 PM, "Scott Todd" wrote: > The ARRL has been all over it trying to stop it, and though looks like it > might get tried in a few places, it hasn't worked too well where it has, so > it may not happen on a widespread basis. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Patoray" > > > Yesterday I was talking with some fell Hams and we where talking about > something that could wipe out VLF,LF,MF,HF even possibly some VHF and UHF. > And this is BPL or Broadband Over Powerlines. This is possibly the stupidest > thing that the FCC has ever let companies get by with. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service > . > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From petersdad2001@yahoo.com Sun Feb 13 23:13:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: petersdad2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88395 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2005 07:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2005 07:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2005 07:13:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2005 07:13:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2005 07:13:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:13:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050212044530.11105.qmail@web14224.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1685 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "Alan Oda" X-Originating-IP: 4.35.113.108 Subject: Re: An Old Idea: ProCassette X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=79442875 X-Yahoo-Profile: petersdad2001 Wow -- I haven't heard the term "Elcassette" in decades! Yes, I do remember seeing advertising this machine on the back cover of my Stereo Review magazine. I vaguely remember Julian Hirsch, the resident technical critic, reviewing and endorsing this machine and format. Sony said you could even edit and splice the tape in the Elcasette, something that's still pretty awkward to do either with cassettes or for that matter, broadcast carts. I remember that my biggest concern about the format was the size of the Elcassette -- 8-tracks were still popular back then (this was in the mid '70s) but cassettes were already available in chromium dioxide formulations and Dolby noise reduction, so I wondered if the size of the Elcassettes would be a drawback particularly in autos. Ultimately, the format never did take off, nonetheless this posting really jarred some long-term memory neurons. Thanks! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Joe Collins" wrote: Subject: An Old Idea: ProCasstee > (WARNING: Long Post!)An Old Idea: ProCasstte" > > Joe: good idea, but didn't Sony make something a little similar called the > "Elcassette" in a larger physical size, room for 3 heads and 2 pinch rollers > and running at 3-3/4 IPS? They didn't have a time code though. I remember > reading something about it in the old Popular Electronics or StereoReview > magazines circa 1976-1980?? > > You do have a great idea - too bad it isn't a product available now. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Feb 14 00:17:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 57065 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2005 08:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2005 08:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2005 08:17:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2005 08:17:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2005 08:17:11 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88490 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 16:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2005 16:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 16:00:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2005 16:00:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2005 16:00:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:00:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1008 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: What REALLY spells doom for AM and many other kinds of radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Feb 2005 08:17:11 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 I would at least like to see some standards / rules set so that at LEAST from 505 to 1705 kHz, for non-intentional radiators and for BPL and stuff like that (i.e. non-audio or cw or ssb or similar) the maximum permissible field strength is 0.001 uV/m at 1 cm. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Matt Patoray wrote: > Yesterday I was talking with some fell Hams and we where talking about > something that could wipe out VLF,LF,MF,HF even possibly some VHF and UHF. > And this is BPL or Broadband Over Powerlines. This is possibly the stupidest > thing that the FCC has ever let companies get by with. Sending a digital > signal over power lines and transmission systems designed for 60 Hz makes > for broadband craps spewed out everywhere. So all of this talk about C-QUAM > IBOC and DRM can be a moot point, you may not be able to pick up anything > but digital hash anyway. > > > Just my $.02 worth for today. > > Matt > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Mon Feb 14 05:16:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17527 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2005 13:15:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2005 13:15:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.172) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2005 13:15:59 -0000 Received: from user-697.lns6-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk ([84.67.66.185] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1D0g4v-0007bb-Gq for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:15:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:15:52 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.195.172 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: TX tech question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man My design engineer asks the following feedback from the brain trust here who are way more experienced than my team with AMS in the real world. He asks: Are we to include an in-built stereo limiter (the PCB layout has been completed) to control the +ve peaks as well, or are we to rely on the operator to provide all audio processing including bandwidth and level limiting external to the transmitter? ________________________________________________________ Ideas and comments please. Tnx -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From badeditpro@cox.net Mon Feb 14 07:09:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95477 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2005 15:09:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2005 15:09:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2005 15:09:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2005 15:09:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2005 15:09:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:08:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 846 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: TX tech question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet=20 wrote: > My design engineer asks the following feedback from the brain trust=20 here=20 > who are way more experienced than my team with AMS in the real=20 world. >=20 > He asks: Are we to include an in-built stereo limiter (the PCB=20 layout=20 > has been completed) to control the +ve peaks as well, or are we to=20 rely=20 > on the operator to provide all audio processing including bandwidth=20 and=20 > level limiting external to the transmitter? Phillip, I'd just leave the built in limiter out altogether. Most engineers=20 would probably just disable anything that was built in anyway=85 I=20 would want to put something with a more sophisticated approach to=20 bandwidth shaping and limiting/clipping on anything I was working=20 with, myself.=20=20 Just my opinion=85=20 :) Joe Collins From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Mon Feb 14 08:05:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79852 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2005 16:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2005 16:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.210) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2005 16:05:37 -0000 Received: from user-6208.l1.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.56.64] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D0ijA-0001UZ-EK for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:05:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:04:24 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.210 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: AM TX question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Joe, Your comments are most appreciated. That's the way I want to go but my engineer colleague is not used to external processing. He designed synth's for Nokia in a past life. Tnx -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From oldphones@webtv.net Mon Feb 14 15:39:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96088 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2005 23:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2005 23:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.136) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2005 23:39:15 -0000 Received: from storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 7F6C7D675; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:39:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id PAA23441; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:39:11 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQR3YJaeKIWGGmycpU6+ud0lfcERAIUAyusozlRTCiIoIZ+VSYtnqgUU8k= Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:39:11 -0600 To: abdx@abdx.org Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <14333-4211369F-1441@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM" 's message of Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:25:41 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.136 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Chrysler Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Wonder IF anyone on the ABDX OR AM Stereo lists knows the anwser?? Do a 2002 and NEWER Chrysler radio(s) use a 21 Pin Connector?? My Metra book and metraonline.com are unclear on this.... Chrysler had used the two connector graey and blcak set of connectors from 1984 to 2002 Any ideas?? Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Feb 14 15:42:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14484 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2005 23:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2005 23:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2005 23:42:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2005 23:42:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2005 23:42:55 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47577 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2005 10:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2005 10:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2005 10:10:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2005 09:53:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2005 09:53:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:53:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 435 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.37 Subject: Re: What REALLY spells doom for AM and many other kinds of radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Feb 2005 23:42:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > > > I would at least like to see some standards / rules set so that at > LEAST from 505 to 1705 kHz, for non-intentional radiators and for BPL > and stuff like that (i.e. non-audio or cw or ssb or similar) the > maximum permissible field strength is 0.001 uV/m at 1 cm. You do know your digital watch violates that, right? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Feb 14 16:52:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86619 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2005 00:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2005 00:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14227.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.111) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 00:52:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 26182 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2005 00:52:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=XGduqIjvXUaJiExzpEhehwmhWOKtTzaVVuODk6nQukS+dw1A3gRtgt/1rFSbaWXHwtBMtl6i+oZ+rinkhu4iri6ERIJWDHZj3JR710O01HcYGnaNIQR+Nuz2BJwGrBQlN2cvCVwLhbasJ2z9zjnGDK3QUsMmGWYjXP7W6zC3CwI= ; Message-ID: <20050215005210.26180.qmail@web14227.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.61.40] by web14227.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:52:10 PST Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:52:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereo@smartgroups.com, abdx@abdx.org Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <14333-4211369F-1441@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.171.111 From: "John P." Subject: Re: [amstereo] Chrysler Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Chrysler is in a grey zone on this one as SOME of the 2001 units have the new 21 pin connector and SOME use the old pair of Grey and Black connectors, so it really depends on the model - AND - you can't go by if it has the rounded corners either! Chrysler (Mitsubishi) made some ROUNDED Corner Radios in 2001 with AM STEREO - AND - it used the old GREY/BLACK PAIR instead of the new single plug. (The Mitsubishi AM Stereo/ FM Stereo with 3 level EQ and cassette). Good luck! --- oldphones wrote: > > Wonder IF anyone on the ABDX OR AM Stereo lists knows the anwser?? > Do a 2002 and NEWER Chrysler radio(s) use a 21 Pin Connector?? My > Metra book and metraonline.com are unclear on this.... Chrysler had > used the two connector graey and blcak set of connectors from 1984 to > 2002 > Any ideas?? > > > Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha > I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and > wiring items > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage > > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 > ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! > > > > > ====================================================================<<< > Whatever you Wanadoo, click below: > http://ads.smartgroups.com/adclick/CID=000000b7c79a99a500000000 > ====================================================================>>> > -- > If you want to share pictures, use the calendar, or start a vote > visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/AMStereo > > To leave the Group, email: AMStereo-unsubscribe@smartgroups.com > > Report abuse > http://www.smartgroups.com/text/abusereport.cfm?gid%3D2559410&mid%3D798 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! 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Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From badeditpro@cox.net Mon Feb 14 17:10:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54471 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2005 01:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2005 01:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 01:10:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2005 01:10:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2005 01:10:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:10:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 707 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: AM TX question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet=20 wrote: > Joe, >=20 > Your comments are most appreciated. >=20 > That's the way I want to go but my engineer colleague is not used=20 to=20 > external processing. >=20 > He designed synth's for Nokia in a past life. >=20 > Tnx Sounds to me like he needs an education=85 Forward these links on to=20 him so he may see the light! www.orban.com/ www.inovon.com/content/products.cfm?pageID=3D2&catID=3D1 www.omniaaudio.com/am.htm A few moments surfing through these pages may make him see that the=20 unnecessary step of putting in any redundant limiting is just a=20 waste of resources from a design point of view=85 It's worth a shot. :) JC From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Feb 14 20:28:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54502 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2005 04:28:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2005 04:28:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 04:28:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2005 04:28:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2005 04:28:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:28:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 793 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 68.161.41.222 Subject: Overload X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Has anyone noticed how poor the AM front ends of aftermarket car stereos are? I recently installed a Sony in a friends car and the front-end was swamped driving around NYC. We swapped it for an Kenwood... same problem. I remember the exact same problem last year when I swapped my factory radio for an Alpine... the front end begs for mercy. I finally ended up with a Blaupunkt and, later (when the Blaupunkt crapped out) a JVC that didn't exhibit a problem. I never recall such quality control issues with the front ends. I am wondering if the designs are coming from the same factories. All the radios seemed to have similar noise floors, bandwidth and the reception problem. For those looking for aftermarket, look towards Blau and JVC before Sony, Kenwood or Alpine. From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Feb 14 23:07:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42920 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2005 07:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2005 07:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 07:07:08 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050215070655.HOPO25487.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:06:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:06:55 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.28 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Radio Column from May 21, 1999 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Found this while searching something else. I wrote it in 1999. Radio killed the radio star. I was helping Leslie Bezich clean out some stuff from her room the other day -- Leslie is the teacher-advisor for San Pedro High School's "Fore 'n Aft" newspaper and is clearing out her room to make way for her replacement next year. Well, ok, "helping" is perhaps the wrong word. "Wildly going through carefully-stacked piles of old newspapers looking for something interesting" might be a better term. Anyway, I ran across an interesting article from the January 19, 1979 edition by Brett Hallett entitled "'79 Music Outlook to Improve." In it, then-SPHS student Hallett talks about the music scene and how it is evolving. What caught my eye was the following: "Yes indeed, 1978 was a great year for the local (music) scene as well as the national. Why are we then subject to the mindless drone we hear when forced to listen to AM radio?" Hallett wrote. Keep in mind that AM radio was still king in 1979, with such stations as KHJ, KTNQ, KFI and KEZY commanding very large audiences. "Why, with all the talent and superior music coming out lately, does radio insist on treating us like this?" Hallett continued, "AM has become a dinosaur. In no way does the music being played on AM correspond to the music being bought or to the groups that are drawing large concert crowds. It seems amazing that no local AM station has seized the opportunity to play tunes that people want to hear. Any one station could corner the AM listening market by playing the right music. AM is losing listeners to FM progressive stations more and more all the time. "Apparently radio programmers sit in their ivory towers, and either listen to no music at all, or their minds have been softened from listening to their own stations. AM should remember that "Pop" is short for "Popular," not "Poppycock." That could have been written by me, although it wasn't. I don't even remember reading it back then, even though I was there. I, of course, would have mentioned that KEZY, although not officially "local" was playing very progressive music at the time. But one thing sticks out more than anything else in this opinion piece: Hallett mentioned time and time again that it was the music that drove listeners to FM ... not the sound quality, not the fidelity, and not the interference. Not even the lack of stereo. It was the music. Certainly FM sounded better back then as it does now. But no one except audiophiles really cared, and both AM and FM sound fine on a good portable radio or car stereo -- the type of radio most used for radio listening. It wasn't until bad programming and poor promotions pushed listeners away from AM and over to FM that owners, managers and programmers came up with the "sound quality" excuse. An excuse that rings as hollow today as it did when it was first invented in the mid 1980s. So where does that leave us now? With few reasons to tune into anything AM and an FM band that is approaching the same stale, stagnant state that Hallett wrote about AM in 1979. Yet there is hope. KLAC, playing what is known in the industry as "adult standards" and big band already commands an audience larger that the highly-promoted "hip FM talk station," KLSX. And it sounds good. Perhaps in the future a hip music programmer will bring progressive music back to Los Angeles using the underutilized AM band and steal listeners back from the now-stodgy FM side. If you play the right music, people will listen, regardless of the band. Too bad owners and programmers won't take the chance to prove me right. Yet, with the junk they program now, they certainly aren't [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Tue Feb 15 05:52:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69499 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2005 13:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2005 13:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 13:52:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2005 13:52:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2005 13:52:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:52:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 754 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "transmitter_man" X-Originating-IP: 84.67.65.139 Subject: Re: AM TX question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man JC :-) > Sounds to me like he needs an education=85 Forward these links on > to=20 > him so he may see the light! >=20 > www.orban.com/ >=20 > www.inovon.com/content/products.cfm?pageID=3D2&catID=3D1 >=20 > www.omniaaudio.com/am.htm >=20 > A few moments surfing through these pages may make him see that=20 the=20 > unnecessary step of putting in any redundant limiting is just a=20 > waste of resources from a design point of view=85 It's worth a > shot. ___________________________________________________ He was justconcerned about it meeting any technical standards should=20 it ever be put into serious production in not having even simple=20 audio input filtering. At present it's wide open (just how I like it). 15KHz+ wide and 130%+ positive mod. Tnx Phil From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Tue Feb 15 05:58:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4768 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2005 13:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2005 13:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 13:58:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2005 13:58:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2005 13:58:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:58:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 111 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "transmitter_man" X-Originating-IP: 84.67.65.139 Subject: Alfredolight schematics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Are these posted anywhere on the web as I note they're not in the Files area of the site? Tnx Phil - London From badeditpro@cox.net Tue Feb 15 16:30:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13740 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2005 00:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2005 00:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 00:30:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 00:30:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 00:30:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:30:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2334 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: Radio Column from May 21, 1999 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Richard, I finally got around to reading the column you posted and I found it=20 fascinating=85 FM radio aggressively promoted better sound and stereo.=20=20 I have tons of airchecks from the mid 70's where FM Top 40 stations=20 used liners like, "Today's Music sounds better in stereo" or "Hear=20 Today's Music the way it was recorded, in stereo=85" Most folks don't=20 care but it was beaten into the listeners heads for ten years while=20 FM was promoting itself and that is where this whole "AM sucks"=20 attitude comes from today.=20=20 Also, it is interesting to point out that ratings had little to do=20 with why many of the powerhouse AM's dropped music formats and=20 switched to talk=85 Something most folks don't take into account is the=20 massive BMI and ASCAP bills that you must pay for playing music on a=20 50,000 watt AM signal. The royalties are calculated by how powerful=20 your signal is and a high powered AM station would have to pay around=20 one million dollars a year for there music! Corporate radio, ever=20 mindful of the bottom line, realized that talk is cheap and music is=20 cheaper on FM so they moved it all over there=85 AM sounds great on a good radio even without stereo and folks will=20 gladly listen through the static for programming they can't get=20 anywhere else. I've helped many listeners find better radios or=20 build antennas when they called my station asking what they could do=20 to improve reception when I programmed music on AM.=20=20 The one thing most owners and companies don't understand about AM=20 radio is the need to aggressively promote the product. You can't=20 just throw a format on AM and expect people to find you. A sure=20 recipe for failure is not setting aside the resources for marketing=20 your product. Make your station a cool destination for your target=20 audience and they will gladly flip the band switch to check you out.=20=20 Program it well and make sure the audio quality is the best it can be=20 with a good audio chain and a well tuned transmitter and antenna=20 system=85 and they will stay. If they really like you, they will be=20 motivated to seek better radios to hear you.=20=20 Simply put, AM radio's troubles have less to do with any audio issues=20 and whole lot more to do with programming and marketing practices.=20=20 PROGRAM IT WELL, TELL THEM YOU'RE THERE AND THEY WILL COME! :) JC From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Feb 15 18:00:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67113 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2005 02:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2005 02:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao07.cox.net) (68.230.241.32) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 02:00:02 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050216020002.NFIR11483.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:00:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <83298884dcb0fe06451736ae7dc7e24e@cox.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:00:02 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.32 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio Column from May 21, 1999 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's interesting, It wasn't done in Los Angeles or San Diego, that I=20 remember, anyway. Perhaps due to most AMs being owned by the same=20 company that was running the FM. Few AM stations are 50,000 watts, and most FMs in LA had higher ERP=20 than the AMs. So did that same licensing rule apply to FMs??? KHJ was 5000 watts ... KWST was 72,000 watts ERP ... On Feb 15, 2005, at 4:30 PM, JC wrote: > FM radio aggressively promoted better sound and > stereo.=A0 > I have tons of airchecks from the mid 70's where FM Top 40 > stations > used liners like, "Today's Music sounds better in stereo" > or=A0 "Hear > Today's Music the way it was recorded, in stereo=85" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Feb 15 18:02:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 62222 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2005 02:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2005 02:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 02:02:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 02:02:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 02:02:04 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73568 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2005 08:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2005 08:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 08:48:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2005 08:47:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2005 08:47:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:47:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 686 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: What REALLY spells doom for AM and many other kinds of radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Feb 2005 02:02:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > > > > > I would at least like to see some standards / rules set so that at > > LEAST from 505 to 1705 kHz, for non-intentional radiators and for > BPL > > and stuff like that (i.e. non-audio or cw or ssb or similar) the > > maximum permissible field strength is 0.001 uV/m at 1 cm. > > You do know your digital watch violates that, right? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ hmm... well.. whatever the rules are, I want to be able to listen to KDIS on groundwave from Richmond, VA, for example, without any other QRM. From badeditpro@cox.net Tue Feb 15 18:52:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17345 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2005 02:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2005 02:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 02:52:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 02:52:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 02:52:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 02:52:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <83298884dcb0fe06451736ae7dc7e24e@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 598 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: Radio Column from May 21, 1999 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Richard, I did not mean to confuse you=85 It is not necessarily the wattage=85 it's the amount of coverage area and the number of people that a station could possibly reach. They do factor in ratings, somewhat, but the rules are a little different for AM than FM or at least they were.=20=20 When you have a station with a large coverage area, like 37 states, it can be rather expensive to play music. FM has more juice but nowhere near the coverage potential of even a 5,000 watt AM with a good pattern. It was a deciding factor in the shift from music to talk on AM in a lot of cases=85=20 :) JC From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 15 22:58:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61338 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2005 06:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2005 06:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 06:58:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 06:58:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 06:58:10 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2554 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2005 04:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2005 04:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 04:31:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 04:31:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 04:31:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:31:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1013 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.140 Subject: Re: Radio Column from May 21, 1999 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Feb 2005 06:58:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: =snip= JC, Yes, the RIAA screwed broadcasters- AM and FM alike- with the high roiyalty fees which rarely go to the artists and writers themselves, to the point that it became a burden for many independent broadcasters to program music themselves, and take up canned & satellite networks, where fees are treated much like group insurance, where the stations share a reduced burden by paying into the networks who only have to pay one fee. And they're not the only ones who screwed broadcasting. Yes, the RIAA is to blame for quite a bit of it. In short, greed killed honest radio, be they RIAA, NAB, the FCC or Kahn. I'm honestly DISGUSTED with what has happened over broadcasting and the disemination of intellectual property, be it music, printed works, or whatever. I don't mind if anyone earns money- I ain't no Commie, though I may be liberal- but pure unchecked greed is pure unchecked irresponsibility. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Feb 15 22:59:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64306 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2005 06:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2005 06:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 06:59:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 06:58:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.61] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 06:58:25 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83655 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2005 02:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2005 02:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 02:07:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 02:06:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 02:06:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 02:06:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <83298884dcb0fe06451736ae7dc7e24e@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1120 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: Radio Column from May 21, 1999 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Feb 2005 06:57:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 KWST now is AM 1430 in El Centro, CA. Maybe tomorrow I'll try to DX them (they are receivable in El Cajon with a good radio and antenna but weak and with interference from 1420 in Tijuana) and see if they are still in stereo (last I knew they were) with a Country format. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > That's interesting, It wasn't done in Los Angeles or San Diego, that I=20 > remember, anyway. Perhaps due to most AMs being owned by the same=20 > company that was running the FM. >=20 > Few AM stations are 50,000 watts, and most FMs in LA had higher ERP=20 > than the AMs. So did that same licensing rule apply to FMs??? >=20 > KHJ was 5000 watts ... >=20 > KWST was 72,000 watts ERP ... >=20 >=20 > On Feb 15, 2005, at 4:30 PM, JC wrote: >=20 > > FM radio aggressively promoted better sound and > > stereo.=20 > > I have tons of airchecks from the mid 70's where FM Top 40 > > stations > > used liners like, "Today's Music sounds better in stereo" > > or "Hear > > Today's Music the way it was recorded, in stereo=85" >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 15 23:02:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 37049 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2005 07:02:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2005 07:02:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 07:02:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 06:58:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 06:58:44 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43602 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2005 04:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2005 04:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 04:44:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 04:44:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 04:44:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:44:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1100 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.140 Subject: Re: What REALLY spells doom for AM and many other kinds of radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Feb 2005 06:58:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > You do know your digital watch violates that, right? > hmm... > > well.. whatever the rules are, I want to be able to listen to KDIS on > groundwave from Richmond, VA, for example, without any other QRM. 1: KDIS is not on a so-called "clear channel", as it shares the channel with several other sxtations in North America, as well as many that are on surrounding 9kHz channels around 1110, such as 1107 and 1116 around the world. Being that I'm on the other end of the state, 1110 is just a hodgepodge of stations, here- Sometimes KDIS pokes its pilot out of the din, but it's not very strong. 2: No other QRM?! Might as well detonate the Sun and Jupiter, two of the most common sources of RFI, as well as just about anything- like light switches and spark plugs- that can arc electricity when transitioning from being connected and not being connected. What you ask for is just not realistic. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Feb 15 23:39:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59512 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2005 07:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2005 07:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 07:39:37 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-239.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1G7dLha036592 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:39:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003901c513fa$a306c9d0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 02:39:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio Column from May 21, 1999 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > pianoplayer88key wrote: > KWST now is AM 1430 in El Centro, CA. Maybe tomorrow I'll try to DX > them (they are receivable in El Cajon with a good radio and antenna > but weak and with interference from 1420 in Tijuana) and see if they > are still in stereo (last I knew they were) with a Country format. Don't try for a catch at night. Even though 1430 is a (Canadian) clear channel, they are a 1,000 watt daytimer with 40 watts at night. Let us know what you find. -Jim- From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Feb 15 23:49:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13296 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2005 07:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2005 07:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 07:49:14 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-239.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1G7nCU5037764 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:49:13 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <006901c513fc$03c3d820$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 02:49:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What REALLY spells doom for AM and many other kinds of radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > 1: KDIS is not on a so-called "clear channel", as it shares the > channel with several other sxtations in North America, as well as > many that are on surrounding 9kHz channels around 1110, such as 1107 > and 1116 around the world. > > Being that I'm on the other end of the state, 1110 is just a > hodgepodge of stations, here- Sometimes KDIS pokes its pilot out of > the din, but it's not very strong. Listen to what the Mousie said 'cause she is right. Not mention that KDIS is on 1110 KHz, which is a US Clear channel and the dominant stations are WBT in Charlotte and KFAB in Omaha. All other stations must protect them. Also, even though KDIS is licensed for 20 kw at night, they shoot it all out into the Pacific Ocean with their 4 tower antenna array. You are not going to have a good time DX'ing KDIS or KWST. Sorry... From badeditpro@cox.net Wed Feb 16 00:22:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87080 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2005 08:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2005 08:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 08:22:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 08:22:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 08:22:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:22:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3205 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: Radio Column/music fees X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > JC, >=20 > Yes, the RIAA screwed broadcasters- AM and FM alike- with the high=20 > roiyalty fees which rarely go to the artists and writers themselves,=20 > to the point that it became a burden for many independent=20 > broadcasters to program music themselves, and take up canned &=20 > satellite networks, where fees are treated much like group insurance,=20 > where the stations share a reduced burden by paying into the networks=20 > who only have to pay one fee. >=20 Amy,=20 Not be argumentative but I have never heard of any sort of `group rate' for music fees=85 I have programmed a couple of stations where I used network programming extensively and the only advantage to me was that I did not have to log what I played for two weeks by hand. All I had to tell BMI/ASCAP/SECAM was that we ran such and such network's programming at such and such times=85. As a matter of fact, it's usually in the contract that responsibility for music royalties lies solely with the station when agreeing to air any syndicated programming.=20 That way, the network/syndicator does not have to worry with it at all and absolves all obligation. It is my humble opinion that radio should not be charged at all for playing music or, at the very least, should only be charged some sort of flat fee. As it is now, you must account for everything you play during a logging period and they charge you on some sort of curve or something. It's ridiculous, not only for the reasons you stated, but also because radio playing music helps sell a lot of records for the music industry, even oldies=85 It would seem to me that they would have backed off on that a long time ago seeing how radio is in decline. It certainly would foster a more congenial atmosphere and radio would probably play more music by more artists.=20=20 As it is now, radio has to ensure that they get their money's worth from the music they play. The RIAA is just plain evil and has done the record companies much more harm than good with their idiotic obsession with piracy and their many efforts to stamp out home recording over the years. The DAT tape, Mini-Disc and other advanced technologies have all suffered from the RIAA's strong arm tactics.=20 Notice, I'm not even mentioning MP3's or Internet Streaming.=20 If I started to get into how stupid it is to sue the very consumer you are trying to appeal to in the first place, I might just use up all the space on the server and probably say a lot of things I shouldn`t.=85 Let's put it this way: if they could have their way, you'd no longer be able to own a recording of anything. You'd have to go out and buy a box that would sit in your living room and every time you'd want to hear a song, you'd have to drop a dime in a slot to get it to play=85 That would be heaven for the sleaze bags who run the RIAA, which by the way, is a totally independent lobbying group that supposedly is not directly connected to the record companies=85 Sounds to me something like the Mothers And Fathers Intellectual Association=85 They certainly use the same sort of extortion and threatening methods to exact what they feel is their due. JC From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Feb 16 03:04:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84334 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2005 11:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2005 11:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.77) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 11:04:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:04:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.107.208 by BAY101-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:03:47 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:03:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2005 11:04:00.0460 (UTC) FILETIME=[37E6C0C0:01C51417] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.77 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.107.208] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What REALLY spells doom for AM and many other kinds of radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > 2: No other QRM?! Might as well detonate the Sun and Jupiter, two of the most common sources of RFI, The Sun and Jupiter are sources of QRN, not QRM. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Feb 16 14:34:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4459 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2005 22:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2005 22:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 22:34:09 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.240]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:34:07 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01c51477$ec3cd2c0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:36:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2005 22:34:07.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0A68AE0:01C51477] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Column from May 21, 1999 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'll bet a lot of us wish we had the money to prove you right. I know I do. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" > > If you play the right music, people will listen, regardless of the > band. Too bad owners and programmers won't take the chance to prove me > right. Yet, with the junk they program now, they certainly aren't > From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Feb 16 14:37:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35804 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2005 22:37:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2005 22:37:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 22:37:29 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.240]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:37:25 -0700 Message-ID: <003c01c51478$625b2a60$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:39:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2005 22:37:26.0033 (UTC) FILETIME=[16C16010:01C51478] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio Column from May 21, 1999 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You'd be surprised how many of us evil, bigoted, [fill in your favorite anti-right epithets here] agree with you. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > I'm honestly DISGUSTED with what has happened over broadcasting and > the disemination of intellectual property, be it music, printed > works, or whatever. > > I don't mind if anyone earns money- I ain't no Commie, though I may > be liberal- but pure unchecked greed is pure unchecked > irresponsibility. > From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Feb 16 14:39:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17732 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2005 22:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2005 22:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 22:39:25 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.240]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:39:23 -0700 Message-ID: <004601c51478$a8cf0de0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:41:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2005 22:39:24.0210 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D31C120:01C51478] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredolight schematics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've got the original Alfredo schematics. I could email them to you if nobody else has what you're looking for. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "transmitter_man" Subject: {AMSF} Alfredolight schematics > > Are these posted anywhere on the web as I note they're not in the > Files area of the site? From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Feb 16 14:42:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50480 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2005 22:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2005 22:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 22:42:34 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.133]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:43:07 -0500 Message-ID: <005901c51478$f8e7d0a0$85b50642@4bmx301> To: References: <004601c51478$a8cf0de0$d503fea9@home1> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:43:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredolight schematics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can mail the lite schematics to anyone that needs one, just privately email me. 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Item number is 3873617940 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Feb 16 19:58:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 57242 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2005 03:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2005 03:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2005 03:58:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2005 03:58:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2005 03:58:30 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51989 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2005 08:39:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2005 08:39:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 08:39:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 08:38:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 08:38:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:38:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1666 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: What REALLY spells doom for AM and many other kinds of radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 17 Feb 2005 03:58:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 ok, allow the other STATIONS... but by QRM I meant man made static generating or squeal generating devices. Also I'd like to see manufacturers put better AM sections in their radios. I'd like to see the level of man-made non-broadcast / non-intentional interference reduced to the level it was in the 1500s. I wonder how far part 15 stations would go under the current rules if the only sources of static came from nature? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > > > > You do know your digital watch violates that, right? > > > hmm... > > > > well.. whatever the rules are, I want to be able to listen to KDIS > on > > groundwave from Richmond, VA, for example, without any other QRM. > > 1: KDIS is not on a so-called "clear channel", as it shares the > channel with several other sxtations in North America, as well as > many that are on surrounding 9kHz channels around 1110, such as 1107 > and 1116 around the world. > > Being that I'm on the other end of the state, 1110 is just a > hodgepodge of stations, here- Sometimes KDIS pokes its pilot out of > the din, but it's not very strong. > > 2: No other QRM?! Might as well detonate the Sun and Jupiter, two of > the most common sources of RFI, as well as just about anything- like > light switches and spark plugs- that can arc electricity when > transitioning from being connected and not being connected. > > What you ask for is just not realistic. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Feb 16 19:58:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4878 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2005 03:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2005 03:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2005 03:58:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2005 03:58:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2005 03:58:40 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77762 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2005 08:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2005 08:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 08:41:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 08:39:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2005 08:39:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:39:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006901c513fc$03c3d820$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1068 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: {AMSF} Re: What REALLY spells doom for AM and many other kinds of radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 17 Feb 2005 03:58:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 KDIS is a regular with heavy QRM in the daytime, and is erratic but possible at night. KWST is pretty much daytime only. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > > 1: KDIS is not on a so-called "clear channel", as it shares the > > channel with several other sxtations in North America, as well as > > many that are on surrounding 9kHz channels around 1110, such as 1107 > > and 1116 around the world. > > > > Being that I'm on the other end of the state, 1110 is just a > > hodgepodge of stations, here- Sometimes KDIS pokes its pilot out of > > the din, but it's not very strong. > > Listen to what the Mousie said 'cause she is right. > Not mention that KDIS is on 1110 KHz, which is a US Clear channel and the > dominant stations are WBT in Charlotte and KFAB in Omaha. All other > stations must protect them. Also, even though KDIS is licensed for 20 kw at > night, they shoot it all out into the Pacific Ocean with their 4 tower > antenna array. You are not going to have a good time DX'ing KDIS or KWST. > Sorry... From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Feb 16 21:30:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48765 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2005 05:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2005 05:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2005 05:30:46 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-239.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1H5UaF9072633 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:30:38 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001f01c514b1$d1c82950$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <003c01c51478$625b2a60$d503fea9@home1> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:30:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: --->Very Lenghty Reply<--- X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> Amy Mousie wrote: >> I'm honestly DISGUSTED with what has happened over broadcasting and >> the disemination of intellectual property, be it music, printed >> works, or whatever. >> >> I don't mind if anyone earns money- I ain't no Commie, though I may >> be liberal- but pure unchecked greed is pure unchecked >> irresponsibility. > Then Scott Todd replied: > > You'd be surprised how many of us evil, bigoted, [fill in your favorite > anti-right epithets here] agree with you. I will jump into the ring with you too! JC and Amy also echo many of my feelings about the RIAA. Speaking of JC... He is correct in how radio stations pay royalty fees to ASCAP and BMI. Our music scheduling software has a preset report that meets the requirements of ASCAP/BMI, and once a year, we print that report and send it to ASCAP/BMI and they bill us for license fees. In fact, I don't think we print it anymore. I think we just email it as an Excel file IIRC.. The report lists all titles played over a 72 hour period, and lists the licensing group and composer. Rates to radio stations are based on this report, plus market size, station's billing, and a few other things I can't remember. It beats the old days when we had to write down the name of each record, the composer and the licensing group (ASCAP/BMI) for 3 days. I always hated the annual BMI logging! I understand that writers deserve to be compensated for their efforts, but the actual composer gets a very small piece of the pie, while ASCAP/BMI pocket a disproportionate share. Remember, ASCAP/BMI only collect royalties for the composer, not the recording artist. It is my belief that artists, composers, record labels and independent record promoters should pay radio stations for playing their music. That situation is changing with the impact of the Internet and it's ability to expose listeners to new music, but until these alternative avenues became widespread, radio was responsible for promoting nearly all new music. There us a little-known pay-for-play scheme evolving right now that corporate owners (Clear Channel Worldwide and others) have dreamed up, which further explains why today's hits in nearly all formats are so bad. In order to understand how it works you need to know how the publishers of music charts rank the music. It used to be that every week the music director would send the station's playlist, including total number of spins for each current. record to Billboard Magazine, Gavin, Radio and Records Magazine and Cash Box. They would also get similar reports from record stores about what was selling. Then they would combine resources to determine chart position. Keep in mind that for practical purposes, a record must chart AT LEAST in the top 15 (top 10 would be more like it) before it becomes a bona fide hit (a record that is actually being sought by the record buying public). Most songs that chart above the top 15 are just getting radio airplay and are not selling product. Today, none of the chart publishers get playlists form radio stations. There are companies like SoundScan that have offices (more like unstaffed closets) in most of the top 200 markets, and they have computers that monitor radio stations and automatically log music based on computer sampling. It is supposed to be an improvement over the old system, which was corrupted by music directors reporting spins that didn't occur. Record companies frequently supply radio stations with concert tickets and back stage passes, plus artist paraphernalia, in exchange for spinning tunes. For example, Atlantic records might give Z-100 in NY 200 row 5 tickets to a Kid Rock concert, including back stage passes, in exchange for giving 50 spins a week to Ryan Cabrera's new single. In the old days, the radio station would log the song as being played on their Radio & Records playlist report, inflating its chart position, while not really playing the Caberea single. In the case of Z-100, by logging a few extra spins on will get Ryan Cabera a notch or two higher on Radio & Records POP Music chart... then other stations might add it too, since it is a song still "on the way up". The kiss of death to any record is to have a static or declining chart position . Now, SoundScan has removed the human element from the equation and they know exactly how many spins each record is getting. Music directors can't get away with "padding the playlist with paper adds" to get freebies from record companies. So the new scam is: Record companies are buying time on radio stations to get songs played on the air. It's perfectly legal provided the 'spin for money' is preceded by an announcement saying "the following new single by Ryan Cabrera is brought to you by your friends at Atlantic records". They buy these spins in the middle of the night (3-5 AM) when listening is at it's lowest, so radio stations don't worry about upsetting their listeners, yet SoundScan logs the song at being played the same as if it were 3 in the afternoon. An item of interest: Radio World (a trade newspaper) recently reported that Aristra records was found to have paid Clear Channel Worldwide (owner of 1200+ radio stations in the USA) a boatload of money (I don't remember the amount) to get spins of Avril Lavigne's single "My Happy Ending". It was perfectly legal because they played the record in the middle of overnights and they always billboarded the pay-for-play. By paying Clear Channel Worldwide to play the Lavigne single on their Top 40 stations in Atlanta, Boston, Jacksonville, Charleston and a few other markets in the south and east, they increased it by 2 or 3 chart positions on Radio & Records CHR-POP music chart (Radio & Records long ago usurped Billboard as the definitive music chart purveyor), which kept it on the radio for a few weeks longer than normal, resulting in other radio stations adding the tune, which hopefully, translated into record sales. Occasionally getting a little more exposure will result in higher CD/Album sales, but in this case it didn't sell any Lavigne records. "My Happy Ending" was a 'paper hit', meaning it got airplay but didn't sell any records. Of course it is becoming a moot issue since radio's power to sell records has declined drastically over the past 10 years. The Internet is now where most hit records are made. And, contrary to the RIAA's claim, I believe that if someone gets a copy of Uncle Kracker's new single on Bear Share or Win MX, they might head to the record store to buy the album. I may be wrong about that, but the record industry continues to limp along on a business plan that's at least 10 years outdated, then they sue file-sharing people to justify their existence to artists. I'm sure the 2,000+ people who have been sued so far by the RIAA have changed their evil-ways and now head to MusicLand, Sam Goodys or Wal Mart to plunk down $18 bucks for a new album (with 8-10 tracks for a total of 35-40 minutes of music), when in the next bin is a DVD of the 2 hour motion picture Spiderman (with a ton of extras) for $9.95. I'm done ranting, but this is an issue that really peeves me! Sorry for the long post.. Sometimes I can't stop myself! The RIAA is killing the music business! -Jim- From badeditpro@cox.net Thu Feb 17 01:49:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6841 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2005 09:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2005 09:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2005 09:49:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2005 09:49:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2005 09:49:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:49:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c514b1$d1c82950$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3715 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: --->Very Lenghty Reply<--- X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Jim, Wow! You said all the stuff I would have siad if I wanted to blow up the server=85 I just wanted to add a few observations. First off, how lucky you are to have the ability to generate a report like that. It's been a few years since I was in a position to have to deal with that and I remember having to send paper music logs to them. Fortunately, I was always able to weasel out of having to hand log everything, one way or another. Thank goodness=85=20 One of the things that really gets me about the record industry is their concerted effort to eliminate the singles market. I'm old enough to remember the day when you'd hear a cool tune on the radio and swing by the record shop or department store and pick up the 45 for a buck. When CD's came along and vinyl went by the wayside, record companies didn't push CD singles like they could have.=20 Remember the 3" CD? They are making a comeback now in blank form but when they were first introduced you couldn't play them back in every CD machine. Now, every single CD player made in the last 15 years can and they don't make `em anymore. The figured out that if they kept singles out of the music marts that buyers would be forced to pay their grossly inflated prices for the whole album just to get the cool tune they heard on the radio=85 The record companies, in essence, drove the MP3 revolution by NOT making their product available in a convenient form for a reasonable price! Another huge bone of contention I have with record companies is the crappy audio they have been putting out. There is a loudness war that has been going on in the recording industry for the last 10 years or so. The mastering engineers use some very aggressive peak processing to increase apparent loudness and end up completely removing the `punch' and `life' from the music. Some push it to the point where the audio is blatantly distorted. I can list several CD's I've heard that are almost unmistakable because of these practices. I particularly hate it when they do this to a re-issue of some album from 20 years ago. It just totally ruins the listening experience for me. Furthermore, this heavy `hyper compression' they use makes it very, very difficult to get the audio through a transmitter without some really terrible artifacts. The clipped flat-tops of the CD's waveforms hit the phase rotators in the buffer stage of the audio-processor and it goes nuts! It just spreads nastiness all over the audio and there is no amount of tweaking that will make it go away. = =20 I have been working with audio processing for years and I think I have a pretty good ear. There is a point at witch you've gone to far and you now are no longer enhancing the audio and, instead, generating an effect called `listener fatigue' or grunge. Have you ever been listening to the radio and suddenly realized that you just can't stand to hear it anymore or have you had your husband/wife tell you to change the station even though the music is something you know they like? You were probably listening to a station that is running too much processing. For most folks, it's a subconscious reaction. They can't tell you exactly why but they just can't stand to listen to the radio anymore! The more overprocessed the audio, the shorter the time you can listen comfortably to it. It's that simple. You got a TSL problem at your station? First place to look is in the engineering shop for a solution=85 Back off on the limiting and I'll guarantee you that the numbers will go up! Anyhow, you know it's bad when you get half way through an album by one of your favorite artists and you simply don't want to listen to it anymore because of the grungy sound=85 :) JC From radio603@malmo2.net Thu Feb 17 03:01:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62607 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2005 11:01:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2005 11:01:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO labs2.net) (82.209.166.11) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2005 11:01:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 28848 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2005 12:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [82.209.145.147]) ([82.209.145.147]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Feb 2005 12:01:23 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.8.8]); Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:03:30 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c514e0$5045aae0$9391d152@bredband2.com> To: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:03:28 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 82.209.166.11 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: radionord603am.cjb X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable www.amradio.se closed down in March http://radionord603am.cjb.net/ will be temporary until a new server fr= om =C5land. ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2005-02-14 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Thu Feb 17 05:21:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5313 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2005 13:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2005 13:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.138) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2005 13:21:27 -0000 Received: from storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 3F165D604; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 05:21:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA04844; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 05:21:27 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAlhU5euXxZM3cBLbQsyR7RtCCvhICFFn7QkzFbueib7dAkP6UpOCeoClP Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:21:26 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: abdx@abdx.org Message-ID: <11764-42149A56-4490@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 16 Feb 2005 16:16:58 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.138 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: KFAB on Aux X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Belive I spotted KFAB running on their auxiliary, backup transmitter with C-Quam as a possibility. The Continental 317C is the backup rig. I just happened to be listening, recording the "Rush Limbaugh" program tuesday ( he was making some silly comments) when KFAB suddenly went off the air..... "And my second---------(point)---------static----------no signal--------------------ker chunk-- dead air open carrier for about 5 seconds --> Third point..... very distorted audio at first, got back to normal after half a minute. I suspect that older transmitter(s) don't like a cold start very much!! I have this on tape and was using the Sony SRF-A100 in the AM stereo mode, no oblivious separation while on the backup... I don't have a Delco or Chrysler radio hooked up at the moment, but it would of been interesting to see an AM stereo pilot. Never did find out what happened to the Lobster Rush was crowing about.... guess it reached cage or tank temperature with out feeling much pain. Mean While KFAB's transmitter tank circuit was in the same condition. "tank temperature" From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Thu Feb 17 08:53:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79406 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2005 16:53:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2005 16:53:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.18) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2005 16:53:33 -0000 Received: from user-493.l2.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.161.237] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D1ouC-0001g7-Ph for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:53:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:52:10 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.18 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: AMS promo spot ad's? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man I believe these were once in the files but I cannot see anything there now. Can anyone point me to these or do you have anything on your HDD??? Tnx -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Feb 17 16:11:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29879 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2005 00:11:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2005 00:11:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2005 00:11:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2005 00:10:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2005 00:10:48 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15508 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2005 22:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2005 22:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2005 22:03:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2005 22:03:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2005 22:03:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:03:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 298 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.123 Subject: Re: AMS promo spot ad's? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Feb 2005 00:10:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > I believe these were once in the files but I cannot see anything there > now. > > Can anyone point me to these or do you have anything on your HDD??? > > Tnx http://tinyurl.com/woi9 Enjoy! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Thu Feb 17 18:33:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66540 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2005 02:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2005 02:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au) (150.229.64.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2005 02:33:28 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (138.194.10.10) by vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au with ESMTP; 18 Feb 2005 13:33:23 +1100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.90,96,1107694800"; d="scan'208"; a="26719496:sNHT20173068" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1I2XHvX021422 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:33:22 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:33:17 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 150.229.64.37 From: Ian Davidson Subject: 20 wonderful years! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 We in Australia have only recently passed the 20th anniversary of the introduction of AM stereo. And what a bumpy ride it's been. I can't help feeling so grateful to those as Motorola for inventing C-quam. I had no idea that AM COULD sound as good as FM - which always has been a disappointment to me ... mainly because of programming. It's a shame that the internet and AM stereo lists weren't here sooner. Maybe we could have achieved something to rectify the FCC's bumbling intro of AMS in America, the stations' apprehensions about promoting it, and the manufacturers' unwillingness to keep supplying. If only ... (they are always there) the International Alliance for the Advancement of AM Stereo hadn't taken off five years earlier. I've been lucky. For most of the 20 years we've had more than one 24/7 AM stereo music stations in Melbourne. 3MP was brilliant. It used to consitently beat the FM music stations in the ratings. Now - Magic 693 is still pumping AMS out and sounds as awesome as ever. How long will it last? I don't know. But I and a few others seem to massage their egos enough to keep the AMS pilot on. It's good to see this list still thriving. There's not so much talk about AMS lobbying anymore - but we all have the one thing in common. We love radio! Someone recently started a thread on our newsgroup about having more stations. And I think there's now so much available space on the AM band ... at least here. I suggested moving several FM community stations to the AM band and allowing are commercial AM stations to go to FM. At least that way I'd have confidence in hearing Magic in stereo for the foreseeable future. Yet every station that has moved to the FM band here seems to alter its format in a relaunch. When will the gurus realise that we do know where the switches are? I feel sorry for those in America who haven't got access to a decent government funded yet independent loose network of stations. Our ABC does it here - and although some governments try and kill it budget-wise it only costs the average Aussie 8c per day. That's for five different radio stations in most markets and one national TV network. They really keep the commercial stations on their toes and their local stations all rate very well. God bless the magic spark that is radio - and especially AM stereo radio. Ian Melbourne From badeditpro@cox.net Fri Feb 18 06:44:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62329 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2005 14:43:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2005 14:43:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao02.cox.net) (68.230.240.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2005 14:43:58 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.0.17.189]) by lakermmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with SMTP id <20050218144332.OIKW22208.lakermmtao02.cox.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:43:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c515c8$37c0ec80$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:43:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.240.37 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: My TX Curse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey All, Reading about KFAB switching to their auxiliary TX made me think of a couple of transmitter stories.. First off, you must understand that I don't get along with transmitters very well. They don't like me! I'm not sure why but I have the worst luck with transmitters and that's why I've always stayed in the studio and left RF work up to more qualified individuals who were on better terms with the beasts. I'm cursed! It started when I was in school. We had a 1500 watt Wilkerson at my high school station. It was a rather cantankerous old thing and could be quite ornery when it wanted to. It was located right in the main studio behind a big glass door that was usually left op to facilitate meter readings and for better ventilation. One day, during my first year, I walked up to the transmitter to take a reading and as I was pulling my pen out of my pocket I casually said, "Good morning Mr. transmitter... How are you today?" Well, I heard this loud ker-chunk and the station was off the air! Now, I was really green at that time and was not yet familiar with what to do to get it back on so I ran to get the Chief Engineer who met me half way down the hall. He asked what had happened and I told him that I just said "good morning" to it. No I did not touch it. I was at lest two feet away from it at the time. I swear! He said something like "Oh no, you didn't talk to it, did you? Don't ever talk to it! It does not like that..." When we got back in the studio, it turned out that not only had it popped off the air, it had completely shut itself down and had to be recycled from a cold start. Needless to say, I never addressed it in the first person ever again. Well, that was just the beginning... Over the years I worked on the air, I had more than my fair share of strange happenings. Transmitters popping off the air on me, switching themselves into dummy loads with out me telling them two, antenna switches getting stuck and burning out... All kinds of weird stuff. Once, A 50,000 watt fm station went off the air and would not respond to any of my remote control commands. I hated to do it but I had to call one of the station's engineers to go fix it at 3 am. He called me at the studio when he got out there and said that there was absolutely nothing wrong with either the main or auxiliary transmitters. We checked the remote to see of it was working properly and he said all the commands were coming through with out a hitch. His explanation: gremlins. My explanation: my transmitter curse had returned. One of the wildest experiences I had was when I was programming a small town AM daytime station. They had two transmitters, a Gates BC-1T 1000 watt and a Continental 5 kW. The Continental was a real nightmare to work with and I think I know why. I think it was homesick... It was mad because it had been sold to our station by KDKA when they upgraded their off site 5 kw back up! Anyhow, this station was one of those studio/transmitter combos where the transmitter was right nest door to the studio and you had a big glass window right in front of the console where you could look at it. Sound familiar? The really funny thing about this setup was the fact that it was just outside of town and there was no three phase power running out that far. There was a single phase motor that ran a three phase generator that lived in a dog house right outside the back door that provided enough juice to get the continental up and running. The Gates didn't need the extra juice so I was always happier when it was being used instead of the 5 kw. That turned out to be a lot of the time because that Continental had days where it just didn't want to work. I would get to the station about a half hour before sign on and the very first thing I had to do was warm up the transmitters. Now this was not as easy as it might sound. There was a bunch of big knife switches that had to be thrown in just the right order and, here's the fun part, you had to go outside in all weather to throw the big switch to start the generator. I hated that one on wet days! The BC-1T would come right up and start glowing happily but that old KDKA Continental would sometimes make some very strange noises when you threw the little toggle switch on the front to bring up the filaments. The worst case was when it would make that loud electrical sound and shut itself right back off. Stand there... wait a few seconds then hit it again....throw the switch...BZZZZZZ... CLUNK! Back off again! At this point, I would usually give up and just sign on with the Gates Another scenarios that I hated was when it would come up and seem to be operating nicely but when I would go to actually hit the plate switch to put it on the air it would trip a breaker in the power supply cabinet. Oh, goodie! Now I get to risk my life and open up the door on the cabinet so I could throw the breaker and close the door as quickly as I could so that I would not get fired by RF or trip the interlocks off before it came up on the air. Now, run into the studio and I hope I make it in time to play the sign cart and get into network news... Thankfully, once the Continental decided it wanted to work it would most of the time stay up for the rest of the day. That is, if I didn't say something on the air that it did not like and pop itself off... Which it did on more than one occasion and only when I was actually talking on the air. It didn't like my voice I guess.... I had several highly qualified engineers come out and look at that Continental. Nothing wrong...Everything in good shape was what they all told me. By the way, it always worked just fine for my weekend morning personality. Never gave him any trouble. Just me Go figure... :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Fri Feb 18 10:30:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69372 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2005 18:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2005 18:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.171) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2005 18:30:52 -0000 Received: from user-4127.l3.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.16.31] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1D2Ctu-0003jW-CR for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:30:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:29:33 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.195.171 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: AMS Spot Ad's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Thanks Amy. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Feb 18 14:42:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22200 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2005 22:42:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2005 22:42:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2005 22:42:54 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.36]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:43:33 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c5160b$59f1d740$24b10642@4bmx301> To: References: <000901c515c8$37c0ec80$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:44:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: transmitter stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone ever doubted the power of ebay, let me tell you I have never seen such an interest in AM Stereo right now. In only 3 days of listing, the one lite I have listed has drawn 400 hits, and my email has been going nuts. I opted to make the listing a "featured" item, so a lot more people are seeing it than ever before, and a lot of people are asking some interesting questions. To everyone that requested a schematic, please bare with me, as I am nursing a bad back and am confined to my chair for a few days. I have some updating to do to the diagram, as it has not been done since the first one was made 5 years ago. Thanks, Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Feb 18 20:13:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44626 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2005 04:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2005 04:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao12.cox.net) (68.230.241.27) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2005 04:13:41 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050219041337.MJYF12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:13:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <000901c515c8$37c0ec80$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> References: <000901c515c8$37c0ec80$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <05899df5652820a31553e4fdde3f665c@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:13:35 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.27 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} My TX Curse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Wasn't there an Outer Limits or Night Gallery that had a similar story? On Feb 18, 2005, at 6:43 AM, Joe Collins wrote: > Hey All, > > Reading about KFAB switching to their auxiliary TX made me think of a=20 > couple of transmitter stories.. > > First off, you must understand that I don't get along with=20 > transmitters very well. They don't like me!=A0 I'm not sure why but I=20 > have the worst luck with transmitters and that's why I've always=20 > stayed in the studio and left RF work up to more qualified individuals=20 > who were on better terms with the beasts. I'm cursed! > > It started when I was in school.=A0 We had a 1500 watt Wilkerson at my=20 > high school station.=A0 It was a rather cantankerous old thing and could= =20 > be quite ornery when it wanted to.=A0 It was located right in the main=20 > studio behind a big glass door that was usually left op to facilitate=20 > meter readings and for better ventilation.=A0 One day, during my first=20 > year, I walked up to the transmitter to take a reading and as I was=20 > pulling my pen out of my pocket I casually said, "Good morning Mr.=20 > transmitter...=A0 How are you today?" Well, I heard this loud ker-chunk=20 > and the station was off the air!=A0 Now, I was really green at that time= =20 > and was not yet familiar with what to do to get it back on so I ran to=20 > get the Chief Engineer who met me half way down the hall.=A0 He asked=20 > what had happened and I told him that I just said "good morning" to=20 > it.=A0 No I did not touch it.=A0 I was at lest two feet away from it at=20 > the time.=A0 I swear! He said something like "Oh no, you didn't talk to=20 > it, did you? Don't ever talk to it! It does not like that..."=A0 When we= =20 > got back in the studio, it turned out that not only had it popped off=20 > the air, it had completely shut itself down and had to be recycled=20 > from a cold start.=A0 Needless to say, I never addressed it in the first= =20 > person ever again. > > Well, that was just the beginning...=A0 Over the years I worked on the=20 > air, I had more than my fair share of strange happenings.=A0=20 > Transmitters popping off the air on me, switching themselves into=20 > dummy loads with out me telling them two, antenna switches getting=20 > stuck and burning out... All kinds of weird stuff. Once, A 50,000 watt=20 > fm station went off the air and would not respond to any of my remote=20 > control commands.=A0 I hated to do it but I had to call one of the=20 > station's engineers to go fix it at 3 am.=A0 He called me at the studio=20 > when he got out there and said that there was absolutely nothing wrong=20 > with either the main or auxiliary transmitters.=A0 We checked the remote= =20 > to see of it was working properly and he said all the commands were=20 > coming through with out a hitch.=A0 His explanation: gremlins.=A0 My=20 > explanation: my transmitter curse had returned. > > One of the wildest experiences I had was when I was programming a=20 > small town AM daytime station. They had two transmitters, a Gates=20 > BC-1T 1000 watt and a Continental 5 kW.=A0 The Continental was a real=20 > nightmare to work with and I think I know why.=A0 I think it was=20 > homesick... It was mad because it had been sold to our station by KDKA=20 > when they upgraded their off site 5 kw back up!=A0=A0=A0 Anyhow, this=20 > station was one of those studio/transmitter combos where the=20 > transmitter was right nest door to the studio and you had a big glass=20 > window right in front of the console where you could look at it.=A0=20 > Sound familiar? The really funny thing about this setup was the fact=20 > that it was just outside of town and there was no three phase power=20 > running out that far.=A0 There was a single phase motor that ran a three= =20 > phase generator that lived in a dog house right outside the back door=20 > that provided enough juice to get the continental up and running.=A0 The= =20 > Gates didn't need the extra juice so I was always happier when it was=20 > being used instead of the 5 kw.=A0 That turned out to be a lot of the=20 > time because that Continental had days where it just didn't want to=20 > work.=A0 > > I would get to the station about a half hour before sign on and the=20 > very first thing I had to do was warm up the transmitters.=A0 Now this=20 > was not as easy as it might sound.=A0 There was a bunch of big knife=20 > switches that had to be thrown in just the right order and, here's the=20 > fun part, you had to go outside in all weather to throw the big switch=20 > to start the generator.=A0 I hated that one on wet days!=A0 The BC-1T=20 > would come right up and start glowing happily but that old KDKA=20 > Continental would sometimes make some very strange noises when you=20 > threw the little toggle switch on the front to bring up the=20 > filaments.=A0 The worst case was when it would make that loud electrical= =20 > sound and shut itself right back off.=A0 Stand there... wait a few=20 > seconds then hit it again....throw the switch...BZZZZZZ... CLUNK!=A0=20 > Back off again!=A0 At this point, I would usually give up and just sign=20 > on with the Gates=A0 Another scenarios that I hated was when it would=20 > come up and seem to be operating nicely but when I would go to=20 > actually hit the plate switch to put it on the air it would trip a=20 > breaker in the power supply cabinet.=A0 Oh, goodie!=A0 Now I get to risk= =20 > my life and open up the door on the cabinet so I could throw the=A0=20 > breaker and close the door as quickly as I could so that I would not=20 > get fired by RF or trip the interlocks off before it came up on the=20 > air.=A0 Now, run into the studio and I hope I make it in time to play=20 > the sign cart and get into network news...=A0 Thankfully, once the=20 > Continental decided it wanted to work it would most of the time stay=20 > up for the rest of the day.=A0 That is, if I didn't say something on the= =20 > air that it did not like and pop itself off... Which it did on more=20 > than one occasion and only when I was actually talking on the air.=A0 It= =20 > didn't like my voice I guess.... > > I had several highly qualified engineers come out and look at that=20 > Continental.=A0 Nothing wrong...Everything in good shape was what they=20 > all told me.=A0 By the way, it always worked just fine for my weekend=20 > morning personality.=A0 Never gave him any trouble.=A0 Just me > > Go figure... > > :) > > JC > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 From badeditpro@cox.net Fri Feb 18 23:05:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59712 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2005 07:05:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2005 07:05:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2005 07:05:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2005 07:05:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2005 07:05:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:05:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <05899df5652820a31553e4fdde3f665c@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 202 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: My TX Curse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Richard asks: "Wasn't there an Outer Limits or Night Gallery that had a similar story?" Hey, If there was, please tell me if you ever remember the name of the episode... I'd love to see it! :) JC From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Feb 19 08:43:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58195 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2005 16:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2005 16:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2005 16:43:17 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-239.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1JGh443079384 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:43:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000301c516a2$15c19b90$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:43:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: A bit more on Payola X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Not to beat a dead horse, but since we (or maybe just me) were talking about the RIAA and payola, here are a couple of interesting stories. First a story from Reuters announcing that Clear Channel, Infinity and Entercom have been have received subpoenas from the New York Atty General regarding allegations of payola. That story is here: http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=7673610 And here is a story about a Chicago DJ/PD at a gospel station who was fired Thursday after allegations of payola: http://www.suntimes.com/output/feder/cst-fin-feder181.html -Jim- From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 08:57:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97383 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2005 16:57:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2005 16:57:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52008.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2005 16:57:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 66236 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Feb 2005 16:57:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=hm1DvP7qewGwVJN0PKSS0RnEqeIf6OvodngOsIaJvpdf4KGdJX9SQfzPAR99FZ5xS2G5aB4nDyYtI9U3P8zld5OK/03nikFb81lEZvglbKkt7HahMSo7WtpWleT7OdmapD2fNadvEuTTKX0GgPNIB3pQcSDSlVVuDu84L7cosyI= ; Message-ID: <20050219165715.66234.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.51.191] by web52008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 08:57:15 PST Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 08:57:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.64 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: My TX Curse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio It was a Night Gallery episode in which a disgraced D.J. that was fired from a major market 50kW goes to a small-town 5kW that only operates Midnight-Sunrise (when did the F.C.C. allow NIGHTTIME-ONLY stations?) called KAPH. "5 kiloWatts? You can't even hear it across the street!" According to www.epguides.com, the episode is entitled "The Flip Side of satan",it was episode 12 of season 2 and originally aired 9/29/1971. It was the longest of 3 vignettes that were in episode 2-12. From www.epguides.com: 9. The Flip-Side of Satan gs: Arte Johnson (J. J. Wilson) A callous disc jockey is offered up as a hellish sacrifice at a deserted radio station. b: 29-Sep-1971 pc: 34303 w: Malcolm Marmorstein and Gerald Sanford s: Hal Dresner d: Jerrold Freedman NOTE: This episode is based on an unproduced script written for Tony Randall by Hal Dresner. Another good episode was "The Waiting Room" in which gunfighters get shot every hour. You can check it out & The Flip Side of satan with the painting and a photo on www.nightgallery.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Feb 19 09:18:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30736 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2005 17:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2005 17:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2005 17:18:49 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.7] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050219171847.LJKB510.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@[192.168.0.7]> for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:18:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050219165715.66234.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050219165715.66234.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <1ec741b3ce9a6cbd6bff3067fbdd48fe@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:12:32 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.29 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: My TX Curse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner The pilot for Outer Limits has an alien being brought to earth when the=20 DJ -- against the orders of the owner -- turns the power of the station=20 WAY up. It had been down due to communication with the alien being part=20 of the carrier. The Night Gallery episode has a part where the DJ looks at the wall of=20 all the valued employees of the past; the time of employment for=20 everyone on the wall was one day. On Feb 19, 2005, at 8:57 AM, JNR wrote: > It was a Night Gallery episode in which a > disgraced D.J. that was fired from a major market > 50kW goes to a small-town 5kW that only operates > Midnight-Sunrise (when did the F.C.C. allow > NIGHTTIME-ONLY stations?) called KAPH.=A0 "5 > kiloWatts?=A0 You can't even hear it across the > street!" > > According to www.epguides.com, the episode is > entitled "The Flip Side of satan",it was episode > 12 of season 2 and originally aired 9/29/1971. > It was the longest of 3 vignettes that were in > episode 2-12. > > From www.epguides.com: 9. The Flip-Side of Satan > gs: Arte Johnson (J. J. Wilson) > > A callous disc jockey is offered up as a hellish > sacrifice at a deserted radio station. > > b: 29-Sep-1971 pc: 34303 w: Malcolm Marmorstein > and Gerald Sanford s: Hal Dresner d: Jerrold > Freedman > > NOTE: This episode is based on an unproduced > script written for Tony Randall by Hal Dresner. > > Another good episode was "The Waiting Room" in > which gunfighters get shot every hour.=A0 You can > check it out & The Flip Side of satan with the > painting and a photo on www.nightgallery.net > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam?=A0 Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > Get unlimited calls to > > U.S./Canada > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 21:45:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88986 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2005 05:45:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2005 05:45:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2005 05:45:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 46028 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Feb 2005 05:45:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=lVjelI6KTJd/yXRs1m2ftGJ6uoVQInu0SdJ+BiImJyEH1TSzOPCWcfL6hASOQ0goZnxBODQZU8oTaQfS0DAHYJzerRj1dhQXI+wGOjev/sfuPeYYxql3bsBFqBxNH4VGuQ+6QrTeOpwtm5CSFTNbmZbWgqgj+6F5iIm53pz0PaU= ; Message-ID: <20050220054558.46026.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.61.40] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:45:57 PST Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:45:57 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1108827731.202.8402.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.72 From: "John P." Subject: Re: My TX Curse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Subject: Re: My TX Curse Richard asks: "Wasn't there an Outer Limits or Night Gallery that had a similar story?" Hey, If there was, please tell me if you ever remember the name of the episode... I'd love to see it! :) JC Hey, wasn't that a black and white episode of the Twilight Zone with William Shatner on the airplane looking out the window of the plane and then sees...a radio tower?? :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Feb 20 00:00:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85583 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2005 08:00:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2005 08:00:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52002.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.58) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2005 08:00:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 33875 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Feb 2005 07:59:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=03px/7QN7uOPKJSwn8HCORuap/Pzd/tmLI0eSu+ohA9ZlpeSPnKSniAuB759IWqzZ8EC2HrlaVu0w1wg9wxmhm+XHFOaldYcfNkoRLtdusHiCddiLP3tINcJvQRuRhTwumuTzKuSSKJ2Z8Yn+k+RheQdxfMa+fHEPQH/z7TaiQY= ; Message-ID: <20050220075906.33873.qmail@web52002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.52.136] by web52002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:59:05 PST Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:59:05 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1ec741b3ce9a6cbd6bff3067fbdd48fe@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.58 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: My TX Curse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Working in radio, that episode freaks me out to this day and I saw the episode once 5 years ago. Even today, KAPH looks like a lot of AM radio stations. Remember the weird face in the dark hallway and the flashback scene? What was the flashback about? Had he lost that girl? I remember the Outer Limits episode. Funny, I never knew the VU meter on the board was in reality a TPO % meter! I think the call on that station was KXKVI (the aeronautical service must be pissed) and the frequency was something like 1805210 "eighteen-oh-five-two-ten" which they said was microwave. In 1963, just how long were the slide-rule AM dials? I thought they stopped @ 1600! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Feb 20 05:35:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39848 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2005 13:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2005 13:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.138) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2005 13:35:49 -0000 Received: from storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 1FD29D616; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 05:35:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA25511; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 05:35:48 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQwNcu8aCf/vrpZK1tpOF7F87DmsQIUBZsFhu+vqvjdQyd2WJPzxVGo3Z0= Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:35:48 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: abdx@abdx.org Message-ID: <17142-42189234-1613@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 19 Feb 2005 15:42:11 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.138 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: W R N O X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Hi, There was a discussion of WRNO -SW HF ShortWave recently, anyone know IF they are still on the Air?? I remember getting them some years ago with rock music, and had talker R. Limbaugh on shortwave in the early 90's. Belive that they were related to WRNO-FM New Orleans, LA Any ideas?? Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From bd6xray@lycos.com Sun Feb 20 10:24:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bd6xray@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16576 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2005 18:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2005 18:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2005 18:24:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2005 18:24:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2005 18:24:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:24:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 569 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "bd6xray" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.100.195 Subject: Re: My TX Curse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83174981 X-Yahoo-Profile: bd6xray In one episode of the TV series "I Led Three Lives", the hero, an undercover agent, heard that the Communists were interested in our communications systems. To check it out, he visited a radio station's towers and it's transmitter (WCKY). Interesting scenes. Al Hajny --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: > > Richard asks: > > "Wasn't there an Outer Limits or Night Gallery that had a similar story?" > > Hey, If there was, please tell me if you ever remember the name of the > episode... I'd love to see it! > > :) > > JC From jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 20 10:53:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32052 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2005 18:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2005 18:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2005 18:53:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2005 18:53:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2005 18:53:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:53:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c5160b$59f1d740$24b10642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1616 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.216.98.94 Subject: Re: transmitter stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215058239 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 My e-mail has also been "nuts" lately. I have received "interesting" replies to my AM stereo web site. I suppose that it is the nature of the beast, when operating internationally. One such interesting reply is copied below in its entirety: >Subject: payment and trust >From: "norman williams" >Date: Sun, Feb 20, 2005 5:58 am >To: amstereo@meduci.com > >Hello, > I have seen the price and its ok by me,i will buy the (unit) >for $250,i have instructed my client >in{usa} to issue a certified cashiers cheque to you.meanwhlie i >also instructed him to include $3000 on the payment so you should >expect a cashiers cheque of $3250, the excess is for my shipper that >will becoming for pick up.I will like you to deduct $120 for your >runng around.The funds will be used for the pickup of the(unit) >along side 3 other CARS i placed order for in care of my >shipper.i'll imploy you to wire the balance via western union money >transfer to my shipper as soon as you RECEIVE the cheque.My SHIPPER >will come for pick up on a specicified date that will be convenient >for you.i hope i can count on you for my balance I ALSO WANT THIS TO >BASE ON TRUST,CAN I TRUST YOU?..P.S i will like you to give me ur >contact info..also as soon as >you get the cheque,cash ing store will be given to you by me,for >the fast cashing of the cheque.Hope this is understandable by you . > Name in full. > Adresss. . > City... > State... > Country.. > zip code... > phone... > pls get all this done for me so that i can fax it down to my >client that will send u the cheque.. > warm regards From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Feb 20 12:20:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66056 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2005 20:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2005 20:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2005 20:20:55 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.184.77]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:21:30 -0500 Message-ID: <001601c51789$d2fecec0$4db80642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:21:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: transmitter stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh my..... This scam is still running around? I get this stuff all the time from ebay from people offering such wonderful "running fees"- cc ----- Original Message ----- From: jeffdeck2001 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:53 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: transmitter stuff My e-mail has also been "nuts" lately. I have received "interesting" replies to my AM stereo web site. I suppose that it is the nature of the beast, when operating internationally. One such interesting reply is copied below in its entirety: >Subject: payment and trust >From: "norman williams" >Date: Sun, Feb 20, 2005 5:58 am >To: amstereo@meduci.com > >Hello, > I have seen the price and its ok by me,i will buy the (unit) >for $250,i have instructed my client >in{usa} to issue a certified cashiers cheque to you.meanwhlie i >also instructed him to include $3000 on the payment so you should >expect a cashiers cheque of $3250, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Feb 20 13:52:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44196 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2005 21:52:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2005 21:52:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2005 21:52:31 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.175]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:52:13 -0700 Message-ID: <003001c51796$c0359f00$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <001601c51789$d2fecec0$4db80642@4bmx301> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:54:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2005 21:52:14.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FF3A960:01C51796] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: transmitter stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That was my reaction too- sounds like another one of these Nigerian scams. The guy must think this transmitter is some big honking beast too. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" > > Oh my..... This scam is still running around? I get this stuff all the time from ebay from people offering such wonderful "running fees"- > cc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jeffdeck2001 > > My e-mail has also been "nuts" lately. I have received > "interesting" replies to my AM stereo web site. I suppose that it > is the nature of the beast, when operating internationally. One such > interesting reply is copied below in its entirety: > > >Subject: payment and trust > >Hello, > > I have seen the price and its ok by me,i will buy the (unit) > >for $250,i have instructed my client > >in{usa} to issue a certified cashiers cheque to you.meanwhlie i > >also instructed him to include $3000 on the payment so you should > >expect a cashiers cheque of $3250, > > From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Feb 20 13:56:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47765 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2005 21:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2005 21:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2005 21:56:20 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.175]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:56:16 -0700 Message-ID: <003a01c51797$5155b880$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <17142-42189234-1613@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:58:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2005 21:56:17.0525 (UTC) FILETIME=[010FF250:01C51797] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} W R N O X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've wondered the same thing- haven't heard them in quite awhile. Last list of domestic SW stations I have is 99 or 00 and they were listed then, but hadn't heard them for some time even before that. I suppose you could navigate the fcc.gov website, but that's got to be one of the world's worst sites for navigation. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Hi, There was a discussion of WRNO -SW > HF ShortWave recently, anyone know IF they are still on the Air?? I > remember getting them some years ago with rock music, and had talker R. > Limbaugh on shortwave in the early 90's. Belive that they were related > to WRNO-FM New Orleans, LA Any ideas?? > From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Feb 20 14:04:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87197 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2005 22:04:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2005 22:04:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2005 22:04:57 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.175]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:04:55 -0700 Message-ID: <005c01c51798$86bf9ee0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <6130e20cd003bed9b0b586e11c90b9ab@cox.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:07:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2005 22:04:56.0682 (UTC) FILETIME=[368104A0:01C51798] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Journal Broadcasting is trying to unload the old RCA 5G at KOMJ (ex WOW) from the days when Johnny Carson worked there. I think a kilobuck is a bit much, but since I know the seller I'll see if I can make some arrangements if they get no bidders. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" > > Found this interesting ... > > CONTINENTAL ELECTRONICS 315-R1 5K Watt AM radio transmitter. LAST > CHANCE AS I HAVE AN OFFER ON THE TABLE! Very clean, check pictures. We > bought this 4 years ago as a back-up, never got around to installing. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Feb 20 15:16:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80227 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2005 23:16:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2005 23:16:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2005 23:16:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2005 23:16:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2005 23:16:49 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8024 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2005 09:40:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2005 09:40:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2005 09:40:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2005 09:40:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.61] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2005 09:40:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:39:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050220075906.33873.qmail@web52002.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1248 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.214 Subject: {AMSF} Re: My TX Curse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Feb 2005 23:16:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > I remember the Outer Limits episode. Funny, I > never knew the VU meter on the board was in > reality a TPO % meter! I think the call on that > station was KXKVI (the aeronautical service must > be pissed) and the frequency was something like > 1805210 "eighteen-oh-five-two-ten" which they > said was microwave. In 1963, just how long were > the slide-rule AM dials? I thought they stopped > @ 1600! The Outer Limits was filmed in the early days of FM stereo- About 20 years into regular commercial FM broadcasting, but also from a time when the "Apex" & experimental AM & FM broadcasters were scattered all over the frequency spectrum, well up to, if I recall correctly, around 450MHz. Yes, broadcasting- Not STLs or relays, but stations that were allowed well outside conventional broadcast bands. (These, however, died out by the early '50s, but, as I said, were still in relatively fresh memory by the early '60s.) And yes, there were already ~2GHz experimentation and STLs & such at the time. The Gigahertz barrier was actually broken during WW2. Outright broadcasting, however...No. Today, 1.8GHz is used primarily for satellite usage. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Feb 20 15:17:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 77028 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2005 23:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2005 23:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2005 23:17:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2005 23:17:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2005 23:17:23 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4471 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2005 20:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2005 20:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2005 20:24:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2005 20:24:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2005 20:24:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:24:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <17142-42189234-1613@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1358 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.150 Subject: Re: W R N O X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Feb 2005 23:16:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > Hi, There was a discussion of WRNO -SW > HF ShortWave recently, anyone know IF they are still on the Air?? I > remember getting them some years ago with rock music, and had talker R. > Limbaugh on shortwave in the early 90's. Belive that they were related > to WRNO-FM New Orleans, LA Any ideas?? Respectivelky, no and yes. WRNO Worldwide probably lost its license due to the rebroadcast of local sports, as the FCC considered it a violation of the rule against aiming shortwave broadcasts domestically. The transmitter site has been since sold to one of the religious outfitters. I don't know who owns the SW facility now or the calls, though. And WRNO FM is owned presently by Clear Channel, but yes, the shortwave station was originally part of WRNO FM. It used a Harris Gates TX, and had the CRAPPIEST sound of ANY US shortwave broadcaster I have ever heard! (And before you could say "maybe it had to do with broadcasting music on SW", no- It didn't. All the others, including VOA and the biblecasters, had much better sound while playing any kind of music. VOA and the Christian Science stations, especially, have produced very listenable (audio-wise) programming. By contrast, however, VOA's Radio Marti is ALMOST as horrible as WRNO was.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oldphones@webtv.net Mon Feb 21 10:03:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39865 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2005 18:03:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2005 18:03:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.136) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2005 18:03:35 -0000 Received: from storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id F164ED63E for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:03:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id KAA13025; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:03:34 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAqxfdXbdMMoTrp1FkrplIJhoJOaUCFQCiVqq5VAcBcniA8Pz+QybWuVpBKg== Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:03:34 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <17703-421A2276-4550@storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 21 Feb 2005 16:44:43 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.205.136 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1484 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Hey the part about Omaha's 590 KOMJ ( ex-WOW ) selling their 5 Kw RCA is indeed interesting!! Bill Snyder OMAHA, NE Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Feb 21 10:51:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90140 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2005 18:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2005 18:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2005 18:51:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 99998 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Feb 2005 18:51:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20050221185142.99996.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:51:42 PST Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:51:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." Subject: WRNO / Shortwave Stereo?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I recall listening to WRNO on a switchable 3/6/12 widebandwidth SW receiver in 1987/88 and their audio was fantastic in Ohio at that time. In fact, they gave their phone number, so I called and talked to their engineer and he was convinced that I couldn't pick him up at my location at that time, so I held the phone receiver to the speaker and he was floored at the drift-free quailty. I'm guessing that So.Cal was 'in between' hops of the atmosphere, which is why your signal was so poor? They sounded great, had music programming, and I was sad to see them go. Wasn't WUSA or KUSA supposed to be "SW AM Stereo" from Utah or something around that same time frame? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Feb 21 15:03:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47908 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2005 23:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2005 23:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2005 23:03:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2005 23:03:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2005 23:03:28 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6605 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2005 19:12:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2005 19:12:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2005 19:12:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2005 19:11:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2005 19:11:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:11:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050221185142.99996.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 587 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.150 Subject: Re: WRNO / Shortwave Stereo?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 21 Feb 2005 23:03:27 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > I'm guessing that So.Cal was 'in between' hops of the atmosphere, which is why > your signal was so poor? They sounded great, had music programming, and I was > sad to see them go. Wasn't WUSA or KUSA supposed to be "SW AM Stereo" from > Utah or something around that same time frame? Well, NoCal rather than SoCal, but what's 600 miles, yes? :) There is supposed to be one currently equipped with AM stereo at present, but I am not sure which. At least it's not the NDXE fiasco! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Feb 21 17:00:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20161 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2005 01:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2005 01:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2005 01:00:24 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-239.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1M10LvQ017467 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:00:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000501c51879$e470bbf0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <17142-42189234-1613@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> <003a01c51797$5155b880$d503fea9@home1> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:00:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} W R N O X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> >> Hi, There was a discussion of WRNO -SW >> HF ShortWave recently, anyone know IF they are still on the Air?? I >> remember getting them some years ago with rock music, and had talker R. >> Limbaugh on shortwave in the early 90's. Belive that they were related >> to WRNO-FM New Orleans, LA Any ideas?? WRNO was located in New Orleans as Scott said. They broadcasted on 15.420 MHz during the day and I don't remember the nighttime frequency. I don't know what ever happened to them, but I tried to pick it up today with no luck. According to their website ( www.wrnoworldwide.org) they are mostly if not all Christian radio. The only US shortwave that I have been totally successful in receiving over the years is Nashville's WWCR, home of the "Last day prophet of God, the Reverand RG Stair in Walterboro SC, who is waiting out a trial in which he has been accused of having sex with underage girls in his commune of about 100 people. Have any of the rest you you ever lestened to this guy? Not only does he broadcast 24/7 on WWCR's transmitter #4, he is also heard on a few commercial stations such as WSAI (now back to using their heritage WCKY calls), plus WLAC and others? He is an unbelievable wacko, but hard to turn off! -Jim- From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Feb 21 18:35:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46823 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2005 02:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2005 02:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2005 02:35:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:35:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.107.208 by BAY101-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:34:32 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:12:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2005 02:35:02.0588 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C63C7C0:01C51887] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.86 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.107.208] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: W R N O X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > WRNO Worldwide probably lost its license due to the rebroadcast of local sports, yes, the shortwave station was originally part of WRNO FM. It used a Harris Gates TX, and had the CRAPPIEST sound of ANY US shortwave broadcaster I have ever heard! "THIS IS WRNO WORLDWIDE broadcasting from the United States of America, way down yonder in New Orleans now beginning its broadcast transmissions to Europe, North America and the world" Ah yes, Good ol' WRNO (We Rock New Orleans) was started by Joe Costello. When WRNO-SW hit the air it February 18, 1982, it was a FM-Shortwave simulcast that would separate when the SW had programming of it's own to air. Costello then sold off the FM and kept the SW station. WRNO had GREAT audio and a killer signal... But Costello had frequent run-ins with the FCC (As did WINB-SW Red Lion, PA) over domestic programming. WRNO became an ultra-right wing talker with programming that included Rush, Radio Free America, The Hour Of The Time, and American Dissident Voices. WRNO also carried LOTS if Christian Identity programming such as Herald Of Truth and Scriptures For America. Because of Costello's frequent run-ins with the FCC over his almost illegal programming, the FCC put WRNO on *VERY* bad frequencies for reception by North American listeners. Cuba compounded the problem by jamming WRNO due to anti-Castro programming. This greatly reduced the listening audience (and revenue) of WRNO. Later, an arsonist who didn't like WRNO's programming fire bombed the transmitter site. WRNO didn't have the cash flow to replace the transmitter, but did return at greatly reduced power with a horrible sounding modified Medium Wave transmitter. WRNO purchased a very worn-out old Gates 100KW Shortwave transmitter, but never could get it to work. When Joe Costello died, he had willed the station to a Catholic charity that sold the station to Good News World Outreach. WRNO has had several false re-starts, and even returned to the air on the low power transmitter. Good News World Outreach still owns WRNO-SW. Clear Channel now owns WRNO-FM > >By contrast, however, VOA's Radio Marti is ALMOST as horrible as WRNO was In it's heyday, WRNO was a world class radio station that had more listeners than even the BBC, Radio Moscow, or Swiss Radio International. More US G.I.s listened to WRNO than listened to AFRTS (Now AFN)! WRNO was an innovative radio station that paved the way for other US Shortwave broadcasters such as KUSW, WWCR, and WBCQ. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimmyyearwood@msn.com Mon Feb 21 19:08:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmyyearwood@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6986 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2005 03:08:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2005 03:08:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2005 03:08:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2005 03:08:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2005 03:08:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 03:08:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c51879$e470bbf0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 174 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "jimmyyearwood" X-Originating-IP: 24.73.3.180 Subject: Re: {AMSF} W R N O X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153993962 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimmyyearwood --- > > WRNO was located in New Orleans as Scott said. They broadcasted on 15.420 > MHz during the day and I don't remember the nighttime frequency. It was 7355...8) From raydidio2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 21 21:12:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydidio2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95879 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2005 05:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2005 05:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52107.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2005 05:12:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 9896 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Feb 2005 05:12:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=MZC68SeRrTBrEX4wQNyocdWJLrRUVimOG2VrmMzT4zEyW7YSfxVWCOfBCqibxBZbzqQUDyc7UAfTf2NDdDJwjruuzTEvHH0m39ieQs5NQxEhYTyDGzGol9w+cNSgT6OVlwvuuv8zGE+pt2Hxd1gxrEniuYNH8aTpRfrzxWbxVag= ; Message-ID: <20050222051230.9894.qmail@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.131.33.202] by web52107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:12:30 PST Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:12:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.76 From: Michael Subject: Fwd: [dxld] RE: [ ABDX ] W R N O X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170665822 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydidio2004 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Also, see Glenn Hauser's site at: www.worldofradio.com . He covers all rad= io topics, not just shortwave, in his programs and his postings. Michael McCarty wrote:Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 2= 1:08:20 -0800 (PST) From: Michael McCarty=20 Subject: [dxld] RE: [ ABDX ] W R N O To: raydidio2004@yahoo.com Glenn Hauser wrote: To: ABDX@topica.com From: Glenn Hauser=20 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:10:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dxld] RE: [ ABDX ] W R N O ** U S A. Is WRNO SW still on the Air?? (Robert M. Bratcher, ABDX via DXLD) WRNO has been silent for years. HOWEVER, we just had a report from George Thurman that they are about to start testing a new 100 kW transmitter, so k= eep an ear on 15420 in the daytime, 7355 at night. It won`t be like the old WRN= O, as it`s now owned by a church. 73, (Glenn Hauser, WORLD OF RADIO, ibid.)=20 What church owns it? I still miss the good old days (in the 80's) when WRNO= & KUSW played rock & roll oldies on shortwave. KUSW was bought by Trinity Broadcasting Network 10 to 15 years ago and is an audio feed of the sat TV channel. I remember one year when our local channel 14 (a TBN outlet) was having transmitter problems (it happened in 2 different years) so I left on= e of my boatanchor shortwave receivers on KTBN & sound muted. I was watching Ben= ny Hinn's Monday night (or was it Tuesday) hour long teaching show when Ch 14 suddenly went off the air. Within 5 seconds I had the TBN audio on the boatanchor and could finish the program. But then I seldom listed to the shortwave religious broadcasters except for Dr. Gene Scott (for a laugh at = his off the wall teachings) every once in awhile (Robert N. Bratcher, ibid.) According to http://www.fcc.gov/ib/sand/neg/hf_web/xwrno21.txt Good News World Outreach. Radio Station WRNO, 5601 Bridge Street, 3rd Floor= , Fort Worth, TX 76112=20 But it expired 11/01/02. I guess it was renewed for another 5 years?=20 Station website http://www.wrnoworldwide.org/index.html homepage says: WRNO Worldwide is an international short-wave radio station owned by Good N= ews World Outreach.=20 We are dedicated to providing fun and dynamic family entertainment. Our informative news programs address everything from major spiritual issues to current global economic and political crises.=20 We hope to inspire and challenge you to: =B7 Rethink your values =B7 Appreciate the simple beauties of life =B7 Change your life for a better future=20 WRNO WORLDWIDE bringing you good news for a good future=85. News and Updates=85 Check Out Our New Prophecy Conference Series=20 See photos of our 2002 Trip to Israel =A9 2002 WRNO Worldwide There are some unID photos of a 2001 fundraising event for a new transmitte= r, and different address is given: WRNO Worldwide c/o Good News World Outreach P. O. Box 895 Fort Worth, Texas 76101 817.850.9990 Office 817.850.9994 Fax=20 hope @ goodnewsworld.org [imaginary] Program Schedule - 7 Day Week --- WRNO Worldwide broadcasts in English. The schedules can be viewed by day or by week.=20 LANG FREQ TIME SUN MON TUES WED THURS FRI SAT=20 English 7395 5-6PM Exalted in Christ America Under Siege Family Net America Under Siege Family Net America Under Siege Family Net=20 English 7395 6-7PM Exalted in Christ America in the Balance Family Net Amer= ica in the Balance Family Net America in the Balance Family Net=20 English 7395 7-8PM Exalted in Christ Abundant Prosperity Family Net Abundan= t Prosperity Family Net Abundant Prosperity Family Net=20 English 7395 8-9PM Exalted in Christ America Under Siege Family Net America Under Siege Family Net America Under Siege Family Net The grid is easier to ready on the site. None of this has been heard for ye= ars. Times presumably CST. And frequency is wrong with 7355 always used before 0= 300, then 7395, as WYFR comes up on 7355 at 0300, so don`t jump to a conclusion = you have WRNO if you hear religion on 7355 after 0300; schedule has continued t= o be registered with FCC including currently, pretty much as it was in the last = days of Joe Costello: kHz UT Call kW Az CIRAF Zones Days From To 7355 2200 0300 WRNO 50 20 3-5,9-11,27 1234567 311004 270305=20 7395 0300 1600 WRNO 50 20 3-5,9-11 1234567 311004 270305=20 15420 1600 2300 WRNO 50 20 3-5,9-11,27 1234567 311004 270305=20 Note that supposedly gives them option of using either 15420 or 7355 during= the 2200-2300 hour (Glenn Hauser, DX LISTENING DIGEST) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page =96 Try My Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Feb 21 22:50:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91958 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2005 06:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2005 06:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2005 06:50:26 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-239.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1M6oFbJ074175 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:50:18 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004c01c518aa$c598f590$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:50:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: W R N O X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Thanks for all the great info on WRNO. It had been a long time since I heard it, and wondered what was going on. -Jim- From radio603@malmo2.net Tue Feb 22 03:32:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50390 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2005 11:32:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2005 11:32:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.bredband2.net) (82.209.166.11) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2005 11:32:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 6543 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2005 12:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [82.209.145.147]) ([82.209.145.147]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Feb 2005 12:31:57 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [266.3.0]); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:34:19 +0100 Message-ID: <006101c518d2$725fb1c0$9391d152@bredband2.com> To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:34:18 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 82.209.166.11 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WRNO / Shortwave Stereo?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Hello Amy, have to tell you the story. I was visiting WRNO and KUSW in the end of -94. They converted from musicradio to bible broadcast in the 90ties. Both stations were heard back here in sweden. The owner of Salt Lake City w= as Ralph Carlson. His great great grandmother came from Malmo in sweden 1852. I live in malmo= . Ralph is runing station in SLC, even 1060 kHz in Kahn am-stereo. Most shortwave stations are converting to DRM today www.drm.org stereoqual= ity 2x15 khz audio. I got a licence of 300kW am, 603 kHz. www.amradio.se=20 Roy in the snowy Sweden. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Amy Mousie" To: Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:11 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: WRNO / Shortwave Stereo?? >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 > wrote: >=20 > > I'm guessing that So.Cal was 'in between' hops of the atmosphere,=20 > which is why > > your signal was so poor? They sounded great, had music=20 > programming, and I was > > sad to see them go. Wasn't WUSA or KUSA supposed to be "SW AM=20 > Stereo" from > > Utah or something around that same time frame? >=20 > Well, NoCal rather than SoCal, but what's 600 miles, yes? :) >=20 > There is supposed to be one currently equipped with AM stereo at=20 > present, but I am not sure which. At least it's not the NDXE fiasco! >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > Yahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.2.0 - Release Date: 2005-02-21 >=20 >=20 --=20 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.3.0 - Release Date: 2005-02-21 From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Feb 22 05:45:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10915 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2005 13:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2005 13:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2005 13:45:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2005 13:45:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2005 13:45:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:45:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 203 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 217.51.144.141 Subject: Audiocubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I've ordered a Sony SRF-AX51V from them Sunday night but not had any reponse via emial so far and if I check 'My account' it says I have no orders. 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From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Feb 22 09:27:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85738 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2005 17:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2005 17:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2005 17:27:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2005 17:26:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2005 17:26:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:26:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 65 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 166.70.37.110 Subject: KLLB/1510 Salt Lake City. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Does anyone know if KLLB/1510 in SLC uses Kahn POWERSide?? Tony From raydidio2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 09:55:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydidio2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87864 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2005 17:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2005 17:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52103.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2005 17:55:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 49360 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Feb 2005 17:55:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Zf/ctoc0Owz62djghqU+BuPGbWXvXJ0W0Wl/sw0zPgbVMn2kG8wC4ljWipWI351ej8GKTpSj3geKUDBgyo+cZRo13Q6IaQrcndBQRK71gDgAKC9FPxgn7+x2/sjO9vTim5ME3gFNfJrD3NTtsrhpwjWOAo+IMbtz9jsBaMathsI= ; Message-ID: <20050222175526.49358.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.131.36.214] by web52103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:55:25 PST Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:55:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.72 From: Michael Subject: Re: {AMSF} Audiocubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170665822 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydidio2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They have been to my questions, but it took them usually 2 to 3 days to respond. I don't know about the accounts, as I have not purchased anything yet. Monday was a FederalHoliday in the US and that may have someting to do with it. Michael --- Dave wrote: I've ordered a Sony SRF-AX51V from them Sunday night but not had any reponse via emial so far and if I check 'My account' it says I have no orders. Are they usually good with replying to emails etc ?! "Some people are weatherwise, Most are otherwise" -- Benjamin Franklin --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Tue Feb 22 10:04:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98410 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2005 18:04:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2005 18:04:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.211) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2005 18:04:33 -0000 Received: from user-8135.lns3-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk ([84.66.255.199] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D3eOe-00040P-QW for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:04:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:03:13 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.193.211 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: WRNO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Jim, That transmitter #4 at WWCR really is one of the strongest HF stations out of the US. Under 'average' conditions I used to listen to Bro Stair on my Becker SW radio in the car like he was a local. This was on 49m during the middle of the day here in London, UK. It's unheard of to hear the US on this band during daylight hours. Before I read more about this character I sent him off an e-mail and received an immediate and courteous reply. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 15:54:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61274 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2005 23:54:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2005 23:54:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2005 23:54:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2005 23:52:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2005 23:52:55 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22230 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2005 18:01:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2005 18:01:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2005 18:01:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2005 18:01:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2005 18:01:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:01:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 352 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.150 Subject: Re: Audiocubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 22 Feb 2005 23:52:54 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > I've ordered a Sony SRF-AX51V from them Sunday night but not had any > reponse via emial so far and if I check 'My account' it says I have > no orders. Are they usually good with replying to emails etc ?! Yes. I've had some good communications with them. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mailpobox.com Tue Feb 22 18:23:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93378 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2005 02:23:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2005 02:23:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2005 02:23:06 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.212.124]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:23:04 -0700 Message-ID: <004301c5194e$ef198de0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20050222051230.9894.qmail@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:24:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2005 02:23:05.0340 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B4A2BC0:01C5194E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: [dxld] RE: [ ABDX ] W R N O X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Was listening to Hugh Hewitt on the way home tonight- he mentioned Gene Scott died yesterday (Monday.) I wonder what will become of his SW empire? IIRC he owns KAIJ- pretty hard to miss with those 500kW transmitters. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael" Also, see Glenn Hauser's site at: www.worldofradio.com . He covers all radio topics, not just shortwave, in his programs and his postings. Glenn Hauser wrote: To: ABDX@topica.com But then I seldom listed to the shortwave religious broadcasters except for Dr. Gene Scott (for a laugh at his off the wall teachings) every once in awhile (Robert N. Bratcher, ibid.) From jimmyyearwood@msn.com Tue Feb 22 20:19:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmyyearwood@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19960 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2005 04:19:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2005 04:19:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2005 04:19:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2005 04:19:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2005 04:19:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 04:19:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 506 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "jimmyyearwood" Subject: Re: Audiocubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153993962 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimmyyearwood I have one of those little Sonys.Not a bad little radio.Did you order a 3/32" to 1/8" adapter? If not you will want to.It does not have the normal 1/8" headphone jack on it,so you won't be able to use any phones but the ones that came with it without an adapter.Just thought I'd full you in before you open the box with you Koss Porta-pros ect in wait.....8) > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > > > I've ordered a Sony SRF-AX51V from them Sunday night... From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Tue Feb 22 20:35:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73864 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2005 04:35:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2005 04:35:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.186) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2005 04:35:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:27:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 69.68.167.23 by BAY22-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 04:26:45 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:25:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2005 04:27:00.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB1051F0:01C5195F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.16.186 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [69.68.167.23] Subject: fs: CRL SMP-900 AMS Matrix Processor w/NRSC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd As-Is Tested for power up only. No smoke, no pops, etc. knobs feel ok. opened up and checked for visible signs of damage, none. I have no way to test beyond this. Pic's of processor both internal and external available. $210.00 Shipped CONUS - $250.00 Shipped CANADA / AK Paypal: kc8gpd@hotmail.com Otherwise off to FleaBay. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis (kc8gpd) Universal Life Ministries [ULC] http://www.freecycle.org http://www.part15.us From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Feb 23 06:29:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77086 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2005 14:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2005 14:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2005 14:29:20 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-239.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1NET1EO028950 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:29:02 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001e01c519b4$07939f90$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:29:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRNO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Before I read more about this character I sent him off an e-mail and > received an immediate and courteous reply. As did I. I still get an occasional newsletter from him. Although I never really bought into this claim to be a prophet, he did have interesting (and non traditional) messages. I couldn't belive it when I read that he had been charged with (and admitted too) sexual infractions. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 10:49:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12371 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2005 18:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2005 18:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14226.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.110) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2005 18:49:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 53890 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2005 18:49:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=4yQpzOtajzNUC7QSiOMVb+coaS5KsXaNgSVTt/xr3BhhPEIK8rZvPuPVNGSYQKKXnxWW2/NgeCDiekYsinWSGgPF0mvak+C18g+dcKXqKfCiFUoWPMhcwYwJ6/FMvqQ6xoppJbCpR64kKwmR5JwriTjRtFp09Dd1KfbRPcsviiQ= ; Message-ID: <20050223184901.53888.qmail@web14226.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web14226.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:49:01 PST Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:49:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.171.110 From: "John P." Subject: Rev.Stair on MW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio What always cracked me up on then-WSAI 1530 (not in AM stereo) was when they took almost 10 minutes of airtime to announce every radio station that was broadcasting Reverend Stairs program, including WSAI and the shortwave frequencies. I thought that they said "the late" prophet, as in "deceased"? Is brother Stair still alive? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 11:04:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11698 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2005 19:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2005 19:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2005 19:04:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 37672 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2005 19:03:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=J02W3IBrq6HWvEyijdCv5oPg45AMvDCGa/C19Z1OP5dXGCBw4P3uHA9TGJ2ekvlIfuYuLAOVWDHroHOpfunb1Ng1w2vFJR+zC9AvIsMZljQw/HnOpItdE893/u/GNtYD7D4vFfHCGaLujezoTDy6bpTdXwrwOZB53PZ4cJ3BChY= ; Message-ID: <20050223190328.37670.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.91] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:03:27 PST Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:03:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050223184901.53888.qmail@web14226.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rev.Stair on MW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "John P." wrote: > What always cracked me up on then-WSAI 1530 (not in > AM stereo) was when they > took almost 10 minutes of airtime to announce every > radio station that was > broadcasting Reverend Stairs program, including WSAI > and the shortwave > frequencies. > I thought that they said "the late" prophet, as in > "deceased"? Is brother > Stair still alive? Yes and he lives in Walterboro SC ..that's W A L T E R B O R O Powell ( in West Columbia SC) ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Feb 23 12:22:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78411 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2005 20:22:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2005 20:22:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2005 20:22:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2005 20:21:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2005 20:21:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:21:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 616 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 62.55.106.47 Subject: Re: Audiocubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimmyyearwood" wrote: > > I have one of those little Sonys.Not a bad little radio.Did you order > a 3/32" to 1/8" adapter? If not you will want to.It does not have the > normal 1/8" headphone jack on it,so you won't be able to use any > phones but the ones that came with it without an adapter.Just thought > I'd full you in before you open the box with you Koss Porta-pros ect > in wait.....8) > Yes indeed I've one of these adapters I use for my PDA and MP3 player, in fact I had another but I think I must have lost it in Australia :-( From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Feb 23 15:23:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31279 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2005 23:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2005 23:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2005 23:23:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2005 23:23:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2005 23:23:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:23:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 931 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 166.70.37.110 Subject: KDYL Observations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Currently at a Ski Resort in Alta, Utah. According to radio-locator that's about 15-20 miles from the KDYL TX. If anyone cares to comment... Have been able to listen to CAM-D test station KDYL 1060 at length, with both a Sony SRF-A100 and Sony SRF-A10 (Australian SRF-A1) radio. There is NO Stereo Separation to be heard, period, in either "A" or "B" Modes. There is 'funkiness', but that's about it. The funny thing is, there is more to be noticed when the radio is in "A" mode, than when it is in "B" mode...When it is in "A" mode, there is a POWERside effect of sorts...Aside from that, nothing spectacular. Only thing I can reason is, maybe they are set up for CAM-D, but have not wired their studio for Stereo?? So I really don't know what to say...I tried to ski, but failed miserably. But the powdered mountains make for nice scenery, especially for someone who's spent most of his life in Florida. --tony From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Feb 23 22:01:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71998 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2005 06:01:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2005 06:01:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voicecomcorp.com) (161.58.223.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2005 06:01:24 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-239.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by voicecomcorp.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1O61KMe087436 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:01:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000d01c51a36$46382d10$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20050223190328.37670.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:01:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 161.58.223.92 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rev.Stair on MW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> I thought that they said "the late" prophet, as in >> "deceased"? Is brother >> Stair still alive? > > Yes and he lives in Walterboro SC ..that's > W A L T E R B O R O Alive and kicking, and having sex with the ladies in his commune, including some underage girls according to these websites: http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=36 and: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=87&subpageid=21724&ck B R O T H E R S T A I R S-T-A-I-R BOX 691 W A L T E R B O R O , S O U T H C A R O L I N A 2 9 4 8 8 U S A Maranatha! Topic Police: I've already carried this to far, I'll stop now. -Jim- From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 22:36:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70951 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2005 06:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2005 06:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2005 06:36:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2005 06:35:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2005 06:35:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:35:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 742 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.141 Subject: Re: KDYL Observations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > There is NO Stereo Separation to be heard, period, in either "A" > or "B" Modes. There is 'funkiness', but that's about it. The > funny thing is, there is more to be noticed when the radio is in > "A" mode, than when it is in "B" mode...When it is in "A" mode, > there is a POWERside effect of sorts...Aside from that, nothing > spectacular. KDYL has not claimed to be stereo, but they do say that their CAM-D signal is being transmitted in POWER-side mode, so that would explain what you are hearing. It seems that CAM-D can be added to any station using a Kahn exciter, regardless if it is being used to transmit POWER-side or Kahn AM Stereo. BTW, if there is any way you can get a recording of this, it would be priceless... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 22:47:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91078 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2005 06:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2005 06:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2005 06:47:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2005 06:47:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2005 06:47:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:47:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050223190328.37670.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 485 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.141 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rev.Stair on MW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Yes and he lives in Walterboro SC ..that's > W A L T E R B O R O Another favorite of mine from the category of radio preachers who sound like they've got two feet in the grave is Family Radio's Harold Camping. He's about 84 years old now, and is most famous for his prediction that the apocalypse was going to occur in September 1994. Obviously that didn't happen, but now in the world of radio, it seems like we're on our way towards the IBOCalypse... From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Feb 23 23:02:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58008 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2005 07:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2005 07:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2005 07:02:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2005 07:01:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2005 07:00:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:00:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 495 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 166.70.37.110 Subject: Re: KDYL Observations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > BTW, if there is any way you can get a recording of this, it would > be > priceless... I have several hours in "B" mode on my SRF-A100...Which contains some 'funkiness'..Tried to get some in "A" mode with my A10 (with more pronounced left/right difference), but the RF here at the Alta Lodge is pretty heavy (guessing it's the damn "Free Wireless Internet Available"..taste of things to come with BPL???). Anyways, if you'd like, I can post it once I've transferred it to CD. --tony From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Feb 24 00:04:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95274 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2005 08:04:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2005 08:04:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp819.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.5) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2005 08:04:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@68.22.243.239 with login) by smtp819.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2005 08:04:24 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c51a47$73e4c5a0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 03:04:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.5 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rev.Stair on MW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Another favorite of mine from the category of radio preachers who > sound like they've got two feet in the grave is Family Radio's > Harold Camping. He's about 84 years old now, and is most famous > for his prediction that the apocalypse was going to occur in > September 1994. Ok.. One final post about Stair and I'll shut up. He claims to be the Last Day Prophet of God, announcing that God will be coming in "your" lifetime. We are the "last generation". 20 years ago he predicted Jesus would return while Ronald Regan was in office. When Bush Sr. was sworn in he never mentioned his earlier prognostication again, and began saying Jesus would return before the end of the millennium. After January 1st. 2000, he never mentioned it again. Now is simply proclaims that we are the last generation. Of course Stair is now in his mid 70's so he already has one foot in the grave. -Jim- From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Feb 24 00:09:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46875 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2005 08:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2005 08:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.82) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2005 08:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@68.22.243.239 with login) by smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2005 08:08:54 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c51a48$150a6f20$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 03:08:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.82 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Grundig S350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Radio Shack is now carrying the Grundig S350 AM/FM/SW radio for about $100. Does anyone have any experience with this? I have a Radio Shack DX 390, which was the best AM radio I ever heard, including the GE Super Radio series. After 10+ years it died and Radio Shack has no replacement for it. I don't particularly care about the short-wave capabilities, but I'm curious about it's AM tuner. It does have a narrow/wide band switch for MW (AM), but I was hoping someone might have some first (or second) hand information. -Jim- From jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 24 02:38:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89162 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2005 10:38:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2005 10:38:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2005 10:38:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2005 10:37:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2005 10:37:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:37:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2370 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.216.98.191 Subject: Re: KDYL Observations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215058239 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Tony, You do not hear any stereo separation in the "B" Kahn mode? Can you contact Ralph Carlson at 1-801-268-8181? Perhaps their plant is not wired for stereo yet? Leonard Kahn called me after I posted information request on his web site (http://www.wrathofkahn.org/). From their web site, "The digital data energy is inaudible on an analog radio receiver even during pauses and since it is totally within the 8 kHz audio bandpass it cannot be observed with analog modulation present." So it sounds as though that CAM-D is compatible with Kahn ISB stereo, and the low speed data channel is used to provide monaural sounds above 8kHz. It would seem logical for Kahn to continue to use his patented ISB method for the analog stereo audio. Do you have audio clips in the "A" and "B" modes? Does the audio sound muffled and spacey in the "A" mode (like the voices are missing)? If so, it may mean that Kahn is using a variation of C-QuAM, and you heard the L-R information in the "A" mode. If true, this would require another matrix step with the L+R to obtain the left and right analog audio channels. For digital, it would require decoding the digital stream, and adding the >8kHz audio to the L+R. I am also not good at skiing, even down hill. I do like to watch other people ski, though, from a warm ski lodge, sipping hot chocolate. 73, Jeff Deck http://amstereotuners.com You write: >Currently at a Ski Resort in Alta, Utah. According to radio-locator >that's about 15-20 miles from the KDYL TX. > >If anyone cares to comment... > >Have been able to listen to CAM-D test station KDYL 1060 at length, >with both a Sony SRF-A100 and Sony SRF-A10 (Australian SRF-A1) >radio. > >There is NO Stereo Separation to be heard, period, in either "A" >or "B" Modes. There is 'funkiness', but that's about it. The >funny thing is, there is more to be noticed when the radio is in >"A" mode, than when it is in "B" mode...When it is in "A" mode, >there is a POWERside effect of sorts...Aside from that, nothing >spectacular. > >Only thing I can reason is, maybe they are set up for CAM-D, but >have not wired their studio for Stereo?? > >So I really don't know what to say...I tried to ski, but failed >miserably. But the powdered mountains make for nice scenery, >especially for someone who's spent most of his life in Florida. From Bossmsx@aol.com Thu Feb 24 02:56:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15585 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2005 10:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2005 10:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2005 10:56:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2005 10:55:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2005 10:55:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:54:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 469 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 166.70.37.110 Subject: Re: KDYL Observations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > Do you have audio clips in the "A" and "B" modes? Does the > audio sound muffled and spacey in the "A" mode No..No muffled/spaciness (I'm assuming it's the kind when an FM station doesn't have its' Mono portion set up right, and there is a 'false' reverb of sorts)....Merely a slightly quieter one channel than the other, that's it. Only was able to get in "B" mode due to time constraints. I couldn't really tell any digital 'hash' of any kind. --tony From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Feb 24 15:24:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4101 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2005 23:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2005 23:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2005 23:24:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2005 23:23:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2005 23:23:56 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38053 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2005 08:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2005 08:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2005 08:04:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2005 08:04:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2005 08:04:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:04:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 962 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.191 Subject: Re: KDYL Observations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 24 Feb 2005 23:23:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > > BTW, if there is any way you can get a recording of this, it would > > be > > priceless... Agreed. > I have several hours in "B" mode on my SRF-A100...Which contains > some 'funkiness'..Tried to get some in "A" mode with my A10 (with > more pronounced left/right difference), but the RF here at the Alta > Lodge is pretty heavy (guessing it's the damn "Free Wireless > Internet Available"..taste of things to come with BPL???). Anyways, > if you'd like, I can post it once I've transferred it to CD. Please do. As for BPL, no. Wireless (WiFi) is entirely in the microwave spectrum, around 2.4GHz. There are most likely several other causes, such as generators, invertors and power supplies, along with computers elsewhere nerarby. The greatest type of place to DX from is at a medical facility. Medical-group compounds are almost always radio-quiet. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Feb 24 15:35:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61186 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2005 23:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2005 23:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2005 23:35:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 67186 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2005 23:35:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Ev9PIK0/NUXPaZlsp3IPFvOMMDEM1K+nBklaHpdvR+rukHm1/CtqgEuKk5obJ5JfmynlyjUzD3k7Yz1frU7Ku0FlKBvFnvOl4YqKR4xNx7Q/fvFRaaK9atEz/xv3XwvNtq/b/rxV5kl3wiXrA/zKTyzrvrO2KAXlG/IzZ9f5bvs= ; Message-ID: <20050224233527.67184.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.27] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:35:27 PST Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:35:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c51a36$46382d10$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.113 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rev.Stair on MW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jim Burgan wrote: >> Alive and kicking, and having sex with the ladies in > his commune, including > some underage girls according to these websites: > http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=36 > and: > http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=87&subpageid=21724&ck > > B R O T H E R S T A I R S-T-A-I-R > BOX 691 > W A L T E R B O R O , S O U T H C A R O L I N A > 2 9 4 8 8 U S A > > Maranatha! > > Topic Police: I've already carried this to far, I'll > stop now. > -Jim- LOL! He had been arrested and was in jail for awhile, but I don't know the outcome it all. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Feb 24 15:40:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9153 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2005 23:40:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2005 23:40:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52401.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.109) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2005 23:40:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 76420 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2005 23:40:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=jnp6Jdczqkzs8yUukWQ9T4NGy5MNiJsrTv5brGtNkRsGTCuwQwnC1sWGM1iiiIX8dSoxRUduDcVFDnhMzKzPPnreLLplzyvlGL/FuZ1tQDjx0yb4FGN9FY28MdhDSf0mP5hXTQjKGSO6dvWtoCJi1FmiSUhv0+zHvZuTuVmMYAc= ; Message-ID: <20050224234028.76418.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.27] by web52401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:40:28 PST Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:40:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000f01c51a48$150a6f20$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.109 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Grundig S350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jim Burgan wrote: > Radio Shack is now carrying the Grundig S350 > AM/FM/SW radio for about $100. The $99 is standard list. The Grunding model goes a bit above 1700, and I hear the Tecsun variant does not. But they do have a RED one. > Does anyone have any experience with this? It's got an EXCELLENT AM and so is the FM. The SW can have images and overloads but it's great. Battery life, well, CC Radio...just eat your heart out. It's a CC Radio KILLER. Just keep in mind this is a single conversion ANALOG radio with a digital display! ON FM it's stereo ONLY from the line output (RCA's) on the side and NOT the headphone jack. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From baansy@yahoo.com Thu Feb 24 15:48:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61891 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2005 22:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2005 22:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2005 22:50:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2005 22:50:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2005 22:50:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:50:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 166 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "baansy" X-Originating-IP: 220.235.117.51 Subject: AM LOOP ANTENNA PROJECT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy Just letting all the Australian members know that there is a shielded AM loop antenna project in the latest siliconchip magazine. It uses a square aluminium frame. From stodd@mailpobox.com Thu Feb 24 17:30:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44117 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2005 01:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2005 01:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2005 01:30:20 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.212.217]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:30:18 -0700 Message-ID: <002a01c51ad9$e75bb6a0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:32:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2005 01:30:19.0605 (UTC) FILETIME=[9130D850:01C51AD9] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KDYL Observations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Seems to me I read their STL is mono. Shortage of STL freqs. keeps them from upgrading, though they could go composite, I suppose. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeffdeck2001" > You do not hear any stereo separation in the "B" Kahn mode? Can > you contact Ralph Carlson at 1-801-268-8181? Perhaps their plant > is not wired for stereo yet? > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Feb 24 19:45:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96749 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2005 02:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2005 02:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2005 02:54:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:54:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.107.208 by BAY101-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:53:51 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20050222051230.9894.qmail@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> <004301c5194e$ef198de0$d503fea9@home1> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:53:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2005 02:54:00.0456 (UTC) FILETIME=[41D9E880:01C51AE5] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.81 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.107.208] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: [dxld] RE: [ ABDX ] W R N O X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: >Gene Scott died yesterday (Monday.) I wonder what will become of his SW empire? > IIRC he owns KAIJ- pretty hard to miss with those 500kW transmitters. KAIJ http://www.kaij.org/ is owned by Two If By Sea Broadcasting Corporation, which is owned by Mike and Kim Parker. Dr. Scott only leased time on KAIJ's transmitter. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 24 20:03:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78317 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2005 04:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2005 04:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2005 04:02:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2005 04:02:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2005 04:02:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 04:02:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 139 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.141 Subject: Digital radio is dead X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Finland is shutting down their Eureka-147 DAB digital radio system, due to a lack of interest: http://www.yle.fi/news/left/id7740.html From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Feb 24 20:04:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67678 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2005 04:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2005 04:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2005 04:04:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:03:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.107.208 by BAY101-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 04:02:25 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20050222051230.9894.qmail@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> <004301c5194e$ef198de0$d503fea9@home1> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:01:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2005 04:03:00.0497 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5820810:01C51AEE] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.83 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.107.208] Subject: Off Topic FM Stereo DX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 During the "Tropical Ducting" we had this evening, I caught "Super Estacion 88.9" with my Magnum Dynalab FT-101 tuner with a Channelmaster Stereo Probe 9. A Spanish Speaking friend told me he THINKS we heard Super Estacion Columbia (HJJO Bogota). Not a bad DX catch from Tampa Bay! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w6yn@juno.com Thu Feb 24 21:02:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84358 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2005 05:02:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2005 05:02:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2005 05:02:32 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBB7NKLAZEZQZ2 for (sender ); Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:01:30 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLK0nKgXIQJ4WOaBSN+t5vGA= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KLNMBFMS; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:01:29 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:00:26 -0800 Message-ID: <20050224.210041.3068.10.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,10-11,16-20 X-ContentStamp: 6:3:516804734 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: $18.4 billion loss - declining value of its radio station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Viacom Inc. reported today that it lost $18.4 billion in the fourth quarter last year, mainly because it took an $18 billion writeoff to reflect the declining value of its radio station operations, along with its outdoor advertising business. While investors had known that the radio business was suffering as competition from satellite radio and the Internet continued to make inroads, the size of the writeoff, even though it was a not a cash charge, nonetheless surprised investors. Viacom's already depressed stock fell 73 cents, or 2 percent, to $35.44 this afternoon on the New York Stock Exchange. The $18.4 billion net loss translated to $10.99 a share. In the comparable quarter of 2003, Viacom posted a net loss of $385.4 million, or 22 cents a share. Fourth-quarter sales rose 6 percent, to $6.3 billion, from $5.9 billion, with growth largely driven by the company's cable networks unit and its CBS Network and television station business. --------------------- That's a shame. Don From raydidio2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 24 22:47:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydidio2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8274 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2005 06:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2005 06:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2005 06:47:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2005 06:47:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2005 06:47:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:46:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c51a48$150a6f20$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 711 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "Michael" X-Originating-IP: 4.131.32.82 Subject: Re: Grundig S350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170665822 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydidio2004 Check out the Yahoo Group at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grundig-S350/ Michael --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > Radio Shack is now carrying the Grundig S350 AM/FM/SW radio for about $100. > Does anyone have any experience with this? > I have a Radio Shack DX 390, which was the best AM radio I ever heard, > including the GE Super Radio series. After 10+ years it died and Radio > Shack has no replacement for it. I don't particularly care about the > short-wave capabilities, but I'm curious about it's AM tuner. It does have > a narrow/wide band switch for MW (AM), but I was hoping someone might have > some first (or second) hand information. > -Jim- From raydidio2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 24 22:51:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydidio2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88207 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2005 06:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2005 06:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2005 06:51:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2005 06:51:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2005 06:51:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:51:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050224234028.76418.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 127 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.39 From: "Michael" X-Originating-IP: 4.131.32.82 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Grundig S350 Additional X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170665822 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydidio2004 http://www.radiointel.com/review-GrundigS350.htm Read the review here and then checkout the reviews at www.eham.net. Michael From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 25 17:40:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15057 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005 01:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2005 01:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 01:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.124.110.36 with login) by smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 01:40:46 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c51ba4$5f29f960$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:41:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.83 From: Subject: The Mighty 690 the Louge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Did any one hear on am 690 last night. Thay called them selfs "The Mighty 690 the Louge". I gues its xrta am 690 . We heard from Kevin that xtra was going to drop there sports talk network. Can some one comferm this for me that a KAHN Power side system favors one side if so that is what i herd on The Mighty 690. (west coast) Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Feb 25 18:05:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26689 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005 02:05:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2005 02:05:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 02:05:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:05:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.107.208 by BAY101-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 02:04:52 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20050223184901.53888.qmail@web14226.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:04:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2005 02:05:00.0644 (UTC) FILETIME=[93FFF240:01C51BA7] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rev.Stair on MW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John P. wrote: > What always cracked me up on then-WSAI 1530 (not in AM stereo) was when they took almost 10 minutes of airtime to announce every radio station that was > broadcasting Reverend Stairs program, including WSAI and the shortwave frequencies. It is hard to saw which screw-ball radio preacher I enjoy most. It is hard to say what is funnier: Listening to Stair rant and rave on WWCR...Or listen to Dave Frantz rant and rave ABOUT Stair on WWRB! Come to think of it, Dave is the best ranter. He can really rail about WHRI and WRMI too. He needs to have a regularly scheduled program "Frantz Rants"! I would listen....I might even throw a few bucks into the offering plate to keep that program on the air! Then there is good ol' Pastor Peter Peters. Many of his classic sermons are archived as Real Audio files on his website http://www.scripturesforamerica.org Another fun one to listen to is Dr. Fulcher http://www.truthhouse.org/index.htm Everybody that doesn't join HIS church is gonna go to Hell. You had better sell out and move to Maryland NOW! I am going to miss Dr. Gene Scott. I never will forget the night he was ranting and raving about the "Dumb-ass in Anguilla that runs The Carribean Beacon". I have laughed myself to sleep many nights listening to Dr Scott on my shortwave. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Feb 25 19:05:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70568 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005 03:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2005 03:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 03:05:38 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050226030537.TXI22013.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 22:05:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <000a01c51ba4$5f29f960$c188fea9@jimsmith> References: <000a01c51ba4$5f29f960$c188fea9@jimsmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <31e9d04722d3068489aa1353e985b904@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:05:36 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.28 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Mighty 690 the Louge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner 690 is The Fabulous 690, playing KLAC's standards format. On Feb 25, 2005, at 5:41 PM, wrote: > Hi=A0=A0 Did any one hear on am 690 last night.=A0=A0 Thay called them se= lfs=A0=20 > "The Mighty 690 the Louge".=A0 I gues=A0 its xrta=A0 am 690 .=A0 We heard= from=20 > Kevin that=A0=A0 xtra was going to drop there sports talk network.=A0 Can= =20 > some one comferm this for me that a KAHN Power side system favors one=20 > side if so that is what i herd on The Mighty 690. (west coast)=A0=A0 Jim= =20 > Smith > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <22305_0205_016_b_300250_a.gif> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 25 19:45:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41375 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005 03:39:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2005 03:39:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.186) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 03:39:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.126.220.67 with login) by smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 03:38:59 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c51bb4$e22eac60$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:40:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.186 From: Subject: 690 am Kahn Powerside X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Richard Can you comferm for me if am 690 is a Kahn power side station. I have herd he had his stuff there for yeras before he sold the station. Thanks jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Fri Feb 25 20:29:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25093 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005 04:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2005 04:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 04:29:24 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBB982DACHAG8A for (sender ); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:28:51 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLBkAWGENxK/9+W84RFzdQxk= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KLQ5T85K; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:28:45 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:27:49 -0800 Message-ID: <20050225.202751.2848.2.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6,8-23 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:4185637436 X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Mighty 690 the Louge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn It's XETRA. The music format was formally on KLAC which is now Sports Talk. The former Sports Talk station at 1150kHz is now Lefty Talk. KTLK. Don On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:05:36 -0800 Richard Wagoner writes: > > 690 is The Fabulous 690, playing KLAC's standards format. > > On Feb 25, 2005, at 5:41 PM, wrote: > > > Hi Did any one hear on am 690 last night. Thay called them > selfs > > "The Mighty 690 the Louge". I gues its xrta am 690 . We heard > from > > Kevin that xtra was going to drop there sports talk network. > Can > > some one comferm this for me that a KAHN Power side system favors > one > > side if so that is what i herd on The Mighty 690. (west coast) > Jim > > Smith From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Feb 25 20:45:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15941 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005 04:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2005 04:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 04:45:08 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050226044508.PFPP2123.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:45:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <000a01c51bb4$e22eac60$c188fea9@jimsmith> References: <000a01c51bb4$e22eac60$c188fea9@jimsmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <213bbdf7555e0d4e7998bf02a2e46bfe@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:45:06 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.29 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} 690 am Kahn Powerside X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I don't believe there is a way for me to check. My only AM stereo=20 receiver is the Carver. Being that it is a Clear Channel-run station, I would tend to think any=20 AM stereo equipment would have been removed. Further, I would see=20 little benefit to using Powerside on 690. I know that I have not heard=20 the lousy audio and distortion that is characteristic of the Powerside=20 stations I have heard in the past. What I have not had a chance to check since the music moved back is the=20 audio bandwidth. As XETRA is not actually OWNED by CC, maybe they are=20 not under the foot of Littlejohn. In any event, as CC is getting out of the JMA for 103.1 in Los Angeles=20 due to being over ownership limits, CC will be giving up control of 690=20 within the next year or so. What happens after that is anyone's guess;=20 my guess is that music will be gone again once the agreement is done. Of course there is always the slim chance that top-40 The Mighty 690=20 can return ... And Boss Radio 93/KHJ will return ... And top-40 Ten-Q will return And KEZY 1190 will return And 64/KFI will go back to music ... And monkeys will fly out of my butt ... (sorry; a little Mike Myers humor there) Richard On Feb 25, 2005, at 7:40 PM, wrote: > Hi=A0 Richard=A0=A0=A0 Can you comferm for me if am 690 is a Kahn power s= ide=20 > station.=A0=A0 I have herd he had his stuff there for yeras before he sol= d=20 > the station.=A0 Thanks=A0=A0 jim Smith > > >=20=20 From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 25 22:51:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12491 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005 06:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2005 06:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.181) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 06:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.124.96.206 with login) by smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 06:51:08 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c51bcf$b9fbe300$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 22:52:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.181 From: Subject: CC radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I am glad to hear that CC radio is takeing there greasy mits off some stations. Mybe thats a singe that better day for radio may be comeing. Well out side of sattlite radio. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimmyyearwood@msn.com Fri Feb 25 23:18:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmyyearwood@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 700 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005 07:18:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2005 07:18:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 07:18:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2005 07:18:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2005 07:18:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:18:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c51bcf$b9fbe300$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 685 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "jimmyyearwood" X-Originating-IP: 24.73.3.180 Subject: Re: CC radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153993962 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimmyyearwood --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hi Gang I am glad to hear that CC radio is takeing there greasy mits off some stations. Mybe thats a singe that better day for radio may be comeing. Well out side of sattlite radio. Jim Smith > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] What's wrong? Tired of listening to right-wing propaganda and the same 30 records over and over and over and over again? You're not alone. I'd be willing to bet there has been a massive amount of listeners that simply don't bother with the radio anymore do to bad programming. They are listening to there own music on CDs ect. Who could blame them? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 26 00:53:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5594 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005 08:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2005 08:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 08:53:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2005 08:53:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2005 08:53:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 08:53:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 612 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.141 Subject: Sony SRF-A300 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This one's pretty much new-in-box, but keep in mind that AudioCubes sells these for $99, so if the auction price for this one goes above that price, there's no point in bidding on it: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5755123308 Also, the seller's warning about using it on AC power is a bit overly cautious. Although the SRF-A300 was designed for Japanese 100V AC power, it works just fine on American 120V / 60 Hz AC power. The only caution is that you should unplug it when not in use, as leaving it plugged in all the time might shorten the life of its built-in AC transformer. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 26 01:02:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56661 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005 09:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2005 09:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 09:02:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2005 09:02:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2005 09:02:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 09:01:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 408 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.141 Subject: MCS 3050 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics If you want a tuner with AM Stereo that is great for DXing, this one is ideal. The MCS 3050 is known to have excellent sensitivity and selectivity; with a Terk AM Advantage loop antenna, my MCS 3050 is the best DXing tuner I have, and its AM Stereo sounds very good, too. The only real drawback is that it only tunes up to 1620 kHz on AM. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5754229978 From mtgc@hotmail.com Sat Feb 26 07:57:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48466 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005 15:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2005 15:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 15:57:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:57:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.78.55.111 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:56:16 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <31e9d04722d3068489aa1353e985b904@cox.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:56:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2005 15:57:00.0183 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE5D1A70:01C51C1B] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.247.5 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" X-Originating-IP: [216.78.55.111] Subject: 690 am WAPE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 On the east coast, when I was much younger, we had a 50KW station broadcasting from Jacksonville Florida which called itself "The Mighty 690 WAPE". This on air identifier was followed by the sound of aaah eee yaaah, which is my poor attempt at translating what sounded a bit like Tarzan calling the elephants, or whatever. As I said, that was during my youth, and it is my belief that that station has long since been turned into some sort of propoganda outlet aimed at Cuba. MTGC (Michael) >From: Richard Wagoner >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Mighty 690 the Louge >Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:05:36 -0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net >Received: from n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.41]) by >mc4-f24.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 >19:05:40 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb >2005 03:05:38 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.28] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 >Feb 2005 03:05:38 -0000 >Received: (qmail 70568 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005 03:05:38 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >26 Feb 2005 03:05:38 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by >mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 03:05:38 -0000 >Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by >fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 >201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id ><20050226030537.TXI22013.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for >; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 22:05:37 -0500 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGhfKIIWG3mUR9Ln/ZcKesJMjN+UXATlfw= >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >References: <000a01c51ba4$5f29f960$c188fea9@jimsmith> >X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.28 >X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-20418-1109387138-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2005 03:05:40.0726 (UTC) >FILETIME=[0DA86160:01C51BB0] > > >690 is The Fabulous 690, playing KLAC's standards format. > >On Feb 25, 2005, at 5:41 PM, wrote: > > > Hi   Did any one hear on am 690 last night.   Thay called them selfs  > > "The Mighty 690 the Louge".  I gues  its xrta  am 690 .  We heard from > > Kevin that   xtra was going to drop there sports talk network.  Can > > some one comferm this for me that a KAHN Power side system favors one > > side if so that is what i herd on The Mighty 690. (west coast)   Jim > > Smith > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <22305_0205_016_b_300250_a.gif> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >   > > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >   > > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Feb 26 08:22:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79626 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005 16:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2005 16:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 16:22:12 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.166]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 09:22:11 -0700 Message-ID: <003301c51c1f$abf43780$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20050223184901.53888.qmail@web14226.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:24:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2005 16:22:11.0859 (UTC) FILETIME=[53648E30:01C51C1F] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rev.Stair on MW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude What time and freq. is he on? sounds like something I'd get a kick out of too. Is his beef with WHRI something to do with the music they play? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > Or listen > to Dave Frantz rant and rave ABOUT Stair on WWRB! Come to think of it, Dave > is the best ranter. He can really rail about WHRI and WRMI too. He needs to > have a regularly scheduled program "Frantz Rants"! I would listen....I might > even throw a few bucks into the offering plate to keep that program on the > air! From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Feb 26 09:01:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70304 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005 17:01:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2005 17:01:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 17:01:09 -0000 Received: from [4.247.212.171] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D55JP-0007A3-OF for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:01:04 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=cm2oCg/34JBiDRkaXTzj7OJYpLa8UKI0gKZ6jXn0f0z2oS6YdtCyUB5hksOJULW5; Message-ID: <410-22005262617124656@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:01:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc3c122be6785a990dd13590c3381e9b8b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.86.89.66 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Originating-IP: 4.247.212.171 Subject: RE: {AMSF} 690 am WAPE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 WAPE was truly a powerhouse. They described themselves as "covering the Southeast from Daytona Beach, Florida, to Myrtle Beach, South Carolina". And believe me, that was conservative. They were 50kw in the daytime and 10kw at night, as I recall. I used to listen to them when driving from Ft. Stewart GA to Tampa. (I would lose them somewhere north of Tampa because there was a local station on 680kHz.) I picked up a CD several years ago containing some short clips from WAPE, including the famous ape call. The last time I was in Jacksonville, WAPE was still operating on FM (I think 95.1), and still playing the ape call 2 or 3 times an hour. The 690 channel has had a talk radio format at various times. Don't know what they are at the moment. WAPE was truly one of America's great Top-40 stations. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO > To: > Date: 2/26/2005 10:56:16 AM > Subject: {AMSF} 690 am WAPE > > > On the east coast, when I was much younger, we had a 50KW station > broadcasting from Jacksonville Florida which called itself "The Mighty 690 > WAPE". This on air identifier was followed by the sound of aaah eee yaaah, > which is my poor attempt at translating what sounded a bit like Tarzan > calling the elephants, or whatever. > > As I said, that was during my youth, and it is my belief that that station > has long since been turned into some sort of propoganda outlet aimed at > Cuba. > > MTGC (Michael) > > >From: Richard Wagoner > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Mighty 690 the Louge > >Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:05:36 -0800 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net > >Received: from n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.41]) by > >mc4-f24.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 > >19:05:40 -0800 > >Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb > >2005 03:05:38 -0000 > >Received: from [66.218.66.28] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 > >Feb 2005 03:05:38 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 70568 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005 03:05:38 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; > >26 Feb 2005 03:05:38 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by > >mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 03:05:38 -0000 > >Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by > >fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 > >201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id > ><20050226030537.TXI22013.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for > >; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 22:05:37 -0500 > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGhfKIIWG3mUR9Ln/ZcKesJMjN+UXATlfw= > >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email > >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >References: <000a01c51ba4$5f29f960$c188fea9@jimsmith> > >X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) > >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.28 > >X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner > >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact > >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com > >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Precedence: bulk > >List-Unsubscribe: > >Return-Path: > >sentto-4085512-20418-1109387138-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2005 03:05:40.0726 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[0DA86160:01C51BB0] > > > > > >690 is The Fabulous 690, playing KLAC's standards format. > > > >On Feb 25, 2005, at 5:41 PM, wrote: > > > > > Hi   Did any one hear on am 690 last night.   Thay called them selfs  > > > "The Mighty 690 the Louge".  I gues  its xrta  am 690 .  We heard from > > > Kevin that   xtra was going to drop there sports talk network.  Can > > > some one comferm this for me that a KAHN Power side system favors one > > > side if so that is what i herd on The Mighty 690. (west coast)   Jim > > > Smith > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > <22305_0205_016_b_300250_a.gif> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > >   > > > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > >   > > > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From jimmyyearwood@msn.com Sat Feb 26 12:48:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmyyearwood@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11896 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005 20:48:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2005 20:48:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 20:48:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2005 20:48:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2005 20:48:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:47:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <410-22005262617124656@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 5917 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "jimmyyearwood" X-Originating-IP: 24.73.3.180 Subject: Re: {AMSF} 690 am WAPE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153993962 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimmyyearwood Oh yea."The Big Ape". As a kid in the '70s,I was almost glued to that=20 station.Always had a transistor radio on me tued into WAPE.Some PD=20 made the big mistake of changing the format to nosepickin' country in=20 the eary '80s.That put one foot in the grave.Another format change to=20 big band kicked it into the hole.Just put WAPE into this link for=20 some airchecks: http://www.reelradio.com/findit/findit.cgi --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > WAPE was truly a powerhouse. They described themselves=20 as "covering the > Southeast from Daytona Beach, Florida, to Myrtle Beach, South=20 Carolina".=20 > And believe me, that was conservative. They were 50kw in the=20 daytime and > 10kw at night, as I recall. I used to listen to them when driving=20 from Ft. > Stewart GA to Tampa. (I would lose them somewhere north of Tampa=20 because > there was a local station on 680kHz.) >=20 > I picked up a CD several years ago containing some short clips from=20 WAPE, > including the famous ape call.=20=20 >=20 > The last time I was in Jacksonville, WAPE was still operating on FM=20 (I > think 95.1), and still playing the ape call 2 or 3 times an hour.=20=20 The 690 > channel has had a talk radio format at various times. Don't know=20 what they > are at the moment. >=20 > WAPE was truly one of America's great Top-40 stations. > Dick W. >=20 >=20 >=20 > > [Original Message] > > From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO > > To: > > Date: 2/26/2005 10:56:16 AM > > Subject: {AMSF} 690 am WAPE > > > > > > On the east coast, when I was much younger, we had a 50KW station=20 > > broadcasting from Jacksonville Florida which called itself "The=20 Mighty > 690=20 > > WAPE". This on air identifier was followed by the sound of aaah=20 eee > yaaah,=20 > > which is my poor attempt at translating what sounded a bit like=20 Tarzan=20 > > calling the elephants, or whatever. > > > > As I said, that was during my youth, and it is my belief that that > station=20 > > has long since been turned into some sort of propoganda outlet=20 aimed at=20 > > Cuba. > > > > MTGC (Michael) > > > > >From: Richard Wagoner > > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Mighty 690 the Louge > > >Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:05:36 -0800 > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >X-Sender: rwagoner@c... > > >Received: from n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.41]) by=20 > > >mc4-f24.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri,=20 25 Feb > 2005=20 > > >19:05:40 -0800 > > >Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with=20 NNFMP; 26 > Feb=20 > > >2005 03:05:38 -0000 > > >Received: from [66.218.66.28] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with=20 NNFMP; > 26=20 > > >Feb 2005 03:05:38 -0000 > > >Received: (qmail 70568 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005=20 03:05:38 -0000 > > >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com=20 with > QMQP;=20 > > >26 Feb 2005 03:05:38 -0000 > > >Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net)=20 (68.230.241.28) by=20 > > >mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 03:05:38 -0000 > > >Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by=20 > > >fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00=20 > > >201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id=20 > > ><20050226030537.TXI22013.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@[192.168.0.4] >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > for=20 > > >; Fri, 25 Feb 2005=20 22:05:37 -0500 > > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGhfKIIWG3mUR9Ln/ZcKesJMjN+UXATlfw=3D > > >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email > > >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > >References: <000a01c51ba4$5f29f960$c188fea9@jimsmith> > > >X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) > > >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.241.28 > > >X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner > > >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact=20 > > >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com > > >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > >Precedence: bulk > > >List-Unsubscribe: > > >Return-Path:=20 > > >sentto-4085512-20418-1109387138-mtgc=3Dhotmail.com@r... > > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2005 03:05:40.0726 (UTC)=20 > > >FILETIME=3D[0DA86160:01C51BB0] > > > > > > > > >690 is The Fabulous 690, playing KLAC's standards format. > > > > > >On Feb 25, 2005, at 5:41 PM, wrote: > > > > > > > Hi=A0=A0 Did any one hear on am 690 last night.=A0=A0 Thay called=20 them selfs=A0 > > > > "The Mighty 690 the Louge".=A0 I gues=A0 its xrta=A0 am 690 .=A0 We= =20 heard from > > > > Kevin that=A0=A0 xtra was going to drop there sports talk=20 network.=A0 Can > > > > some one comferm this for me that a KAHN Power side system=20 favors one > > > > side if so that is what i herd on The Mighty 690. (west=20 coast)=A0=A0 Jim > > > > Smith > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > <22305_0205_016_b_300250_a.gif> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > > > =A0 > > > > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an=20 email to: > > > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > =A0 > > > > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the=20 Yahoo! Terms of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > >Yahoo! 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Groups Links > > > > > > > >=20=20 > > > > > > From Bossmsx@aol.com Sat Feb 26 15:25:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85405 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005 23:25:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2005 23:25:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 23:25:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2005 23:25:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2005 23:25:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 23:24:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1033 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.45 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.100.195 Subject: Re: 690 am WAPE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > As I said, that was during my youth, and it is my belief that that station > has long since been turned into some sort of propoganda outlet aimed at > Cuba. Total myth....The station is now talk WOKV, and still a Jacksonville station... The Ape (and the "Ape Call") still lives on, in Jacksonville, at 95.1 FM, WAPE-FM, which is still a Top 40 station..It's been on 95.1 FM since 1986...In fact, the only hiatus for the Ape from playing the hits was from 1981-1986...WAPE-690 went Country in early 81 during the "Urban Cowboy" craze (but still kept the legendary "Ape Call"), then Big Band, Then Religious, then the Ape came back on FM, and actually, for a brief period, the Top 40 Ape was simulcast on BOTH AM 690--AND--FM 95.1... When 690 finally split from the FM simulcast, it actually went Oldies as WPDQ, and even though it gave up its WAPE name, it actually started using vintage WAPE jingles (re-sung to "WPDQ"), and went back to calling itself the "Mighty 690"..This was short lived, though. Tony/Miami From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Feb 26 22:37:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42943 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2005 06:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2005 06:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2005 06:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@68.22.243.239 with login) by smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2005 06:37:16 -0000 Message-ID: <005b01c51c96$c6bb8f60$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <410-22005262617124656@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 01:37:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.170.80 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 690 am WAPE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Dick W. > > WAPE was truly one of America's great Top-40 stations. > > >> [Original Message] >> From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO >> To: >> Date: 2/26/2005 10:56:16 AM >> Subject: {AMSF} 690 am WAPE Absolutely!!! WAPE (690 KHz) was a legendary Top 40. Early in my radio career I lived and worked in Brevard County in the early-mid 70's (Titusville, Melbourne and Cocoa Beach), which was 180 miles south of Jacksonville, and later in Daytona which was nearly 100 miles form Jacksonville, and I listened to them all the time during the day. They were/are 50kw days and 10 kw nights, with a 3x2 6 tower directional array at night. For the most part, they send their nighttime 10,000 watts directly into the Atlantic ocean. For a time they had a great rivalry with cross-town WPDQ on 600 KHz with 5 kw day and night, and a 5 tower in-line directional array that beamed their power into the Atlantic, as did WAPE. WPDQ actually beat WAPE frequently in the Metro, but WAPE clobbered WPDQ in the ADI since they couldn't compete with WAPE's signal. Today, WAPE is owned and operated by Cox, and is WOKV, a news/talk with the usual dose of Limbaugh, Dr. Laura etc. What once was WPDQ AM 600 KHz is now owned and operated by ABC/Disney and they are "Goober Radio" (Radio Disney) 24/7. I spent enough time in Jacksonville to record several airchecks of both WAPE and WPDQ in '73 thru '75, but they in a box in the loft in my garage buried for the past 25 years. Eventually, FM radio overtook AM Top 40's and WAPE was a victim. However, in early 1986, Cox changed the call letters of their FM on 95.1 to reflect the heritage of the calls, and the "Big Ape" was on the lose again. IT has remained Jacksonville's premiere Top outlet from 86 through today. Although they don't dominate the ratings the way WAPE 690 did, they are still successful as a CHR Pop. This brings to mind another question: Even though they didn't flip the FM's calls to WAPE until several years had passed since the end of WAPE's AM days, there are many other FM stations that carry the historic calls letters of legendary AM Top 40's, One that comes to mind is Denver's KIMN. Back in the 60's and 70's KIMN was a killer AM Top 40. Today KIMN is KKFN, a 24/7 sports outlet, but there is a Class C FM sporting the KIMN calls. They are a 100,000 watt flame thrower with their TX-mitter on a mountaintop and they cover a significant chunk of Colorado. Although they aren't a CHR/Top 40, they are a Hot AC (which is about as close to the old fashioned Top 40 format as there is). I wonder if there are any other heritage Top 40's that successfully made the transition to FM, suing their heritage calls. Anyone else know? From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 27 02:50:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47233 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2005 10:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2005 10:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2005 10:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.126.220.164 with login) by smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2005 10:50:09 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c51cba$477a0140$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 02:51:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.187 From: Subject: legendry calls on FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Yes one come to mind . KFRC FM 99.7 and 610 AM. Thay simucast from there FM 99.7 almost 24-7. Sadly there FM 99.7 is there main station now. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Feb 27 05:45:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64060 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2005 13:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2005 13:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2005 13:45:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2005 13:45:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2005 13:45:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:45:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005b01c51c96$c6bb8f60$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 280 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "Anthony" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.116.195 Subject: Re: {AMSF} 690 am WAPE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > there are any other heritage Top 40's that successfully made the transition > to FM, suing their heritage calls. > Anyone else know? WHOT-FM in Youngstown, Ohio, and WJET in Erie, PA, although the latter no longer exists. Can't think of any others right now. --tony/miami From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Feb 28 12:45:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41942 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2005 20:45:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2005 20:45:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2005 20:45:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2005 20:45:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2005 20:45:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:45:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005b01c51c96$c6bb8f60$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3273 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 Subject: Re: {AMSF} 690 am WAPE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow 690 W-A-P-E -- The BIG Ape. Powerful signal into south central Georgia mid-late 70's. Easily heard. I recorded lots of stuff on to cassette at that time. Might have an aircheck or two. Have a cassette full of airchecks from 1110 WBT Charlotte - "Wax Museum" with "Rockin' Ray?". Paul --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > Dick W. > > > > WAPE was truly one of America's great Top-40 stations. > > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO > >> To: > >> Date: 2/26/2005 10:56:16 AM > >> Subject: {AMSF} 690 am WAPE > > Absolutely!!! WAPE (690 KHz) was a legendary Top 40. Early in my radio > career I lived and worked in Brevard County in the early-mid 70's > (Titusville, Melbourne and Cocoa Beach), which was 180 miles south of > Jacksonville, and later in Daytona which was nearly 100 miles form > Jacksonville, and I listened to them all the time during the day. They > were/are 50kw days and 10 kw nights, with a 3x2 6 tower directional array > at night. For the most part, they send their nighttime 10,000 watts > directly into the Atlantic ocean. > For a time they had a great rivalry with cross-town WPDQ on 600 KHz with 5 > kw day and night, and a 5 tower in-line directional array that beamed their > power into the Atlantic, as did WAPE. WPDQ actually beat WAPE frequently in > the Metro, but WAPE clobbered WPDQ in the ADI since they couldn't compete > with WAPE's signal. Today, WAPE is owned and operated by Cox, and is WOKV, > a news/talk with the usual dose of Limbaugh, Dr. Laura etc. What once was > WPDQ AM 600 KHz is now owned and operated by ABC/Disney and they are "Goober > Radio" (Radio Disney) 24/7. > I spent enough time in Jacksonville to record several airchecks of both WAPE > and WPDQ in '73 thru '75, but they in a box in the loft in my garage buried > for the past 25 years. > Eventually, FM radio overtook AM Top 40's and WAPE was a victim. However, > in early 1986, Cox changed the call letters of their FM on 95.1 to reflect > the heritage of the calls, and the "Big Ape" was on the lose again. IT has > remained Jacksonville's premiere Top outlet from 86 through today. Although > they don't dominate the ratings the way WAPE 690 did, they are still > successful as a CHR Pop. > This brings to mind another question: Even though they didn't flip the FM's > calls to WAPE until several years had passed since the end of WAPE's AM > days, there are many other FM stations that carry the historic calls > letters of legendary AM Top 40's, > One that comes to mind is Denver's KIMN. Back in the 60's and 70's KIMN was > a killer AM Top 40. Today KIMN is KKFN, a 24/7 sports outlet, but there is > a Class C FM sporting the KIMN calls. They are a 100,000 watt flame thrower > with their TX-mitter on a mountaintop and they cover a significant chunk of > Colorado. Although they aren't a CHR/Top 40, they are a Hot AC (which is > about as close to the old fashioned Top 40 format as there is). I wonder if > there are any other heritage Top 40's that successfully made the transition > to FM, suing their heritage calls. > Anyone else know? From badeditpro@cox.net Tue Mar 01 01:10:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83325 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2005 09:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2005 09:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao07.cox.net) (68.230.240.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2005 09:10:46 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.0.17.189]) by lakermmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050301091040.UYIQ19214.lakermmtao07.cox.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 04:10:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c51e3e$859b4bc0$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 04:10:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.240.32 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Programming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, I thought I'd share this post I wrote for another forum. The poster I am responding to was generally bemoaning the state of programming today and pointing out the folly of relying on music to sell your station in this era of iPods and other widely available music sources... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The 5 said: "Choose a demographic and entertain the people that make up that demographic. Don't play them songs... give them a show. Think real content, not recurrents. Think phones. Think conversations. Think games and contests. If you get to the point where you're only playing eight songs an hour and filling the rest with actual CONTENT, I say you're on the right track.." He is absolutely on the mark here. Radio has pigeonholed itself into being either a music box or a chatter box. This is part of the reason that the product has lost so much apparent value to the end user. the listener. The marginally qualified consultants that the non-broadcaster owners have brought in time after time to 'program' their properties for instant success have given this attitude to us. It is a sad thing for radio, too! That attitude has been a major factor in the devaluing of the product. I dare say it has done more harm than voice tracks and the purging of real talent at the local level over the last decade. I was once associated with a station that had a wildly successful morning show. Now, this station had evolved from a standard music box type of format into being a personality driven entity with a fiercely loyal audience. I remember being part of a meeting where some concern was raised at the fact that we were only playing about six or seven songs in an hour in the morning because of all the features, contests and phone bits that were going on. The GM, who was also the owner and had come out of programming, reached over and grabbed a copy of the latest ratings book and threw it on the table. He pointed at it and said, "Whatever it is, it's working and we ain't going to mess with it just to play a few more tunes." End of discussion. He had the experience to know that the audience was finding a lot of value in what we were doing in the morning. If he had been like so many corporate owners today, the simple fact that someone had raised a concern would have opened the door to outside tampering with the chemistry and structure of that show and an opportunity would have been lost for many years of good ratings and high revenues generated by the show. The 5 is correct when he says radio should be concentrating on content. I take it a step further and say that we should be concentrating on value. Because of the greatly increased availability of music these days, its value in radio has been greatly diminished. Anyone who relies on music alone to sell a station is not seeing the full potential of our medium. Live companionship, helping people to sift through the mountains of information they are subjected to every day and generally being an anchor in an ever-changing and confusing world is what radio has the potential to do better than any other medium available, new or old. If an investment is made today to bring radio into a higher esteem with listeners and a real effort is made to appeal to their intelligence and not just there musical tastes, there is a good chance that terrestrial radio can withstand any new medium or gadget that comes along for years to come. Unfortunately, I'm not seeing anything positive along those lines happening today, Frankly, I'm hearing just the opposite from a lot of insiders. It seems the frantic search for a magic format that will generate instant ratings and income is increasing in fervor. Even companies who have been known for their steadiness are doing it now. I believe it is a sign of the panic most executives are feeling in the face of more pressure from stock holders to show profits and the mounting frustration of trying to do too much with too little resources. It is ironic to think that it is these very same executives who, just a few years ago, were touting the cost effectiveness of gutting staffs and relying on automation, consolidation and group programming to the vested interests. Many of us who were there when it started knew it would eventually lead to radio's downfall. I am coming to realize that it is even later then most of think. Someone, somewhere needs to change this tend or radio will become a completely redundant medium on the local level in only a few years. The time to act is now and the impetuous for change is all around us. Those who blithely continue to support the failed policies of post Telecom '96 corporate radio will be left behind. Those who dare to innovate, expand and search for new programming options will ride the wave into the next era and be successful. That's all there is to it. Where will you be in five years? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Tue Mar 01 10:48:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63636 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2005 18:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2005 18:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2005 18:48:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2005 18:48:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2005 18:48:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:48:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 811 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 Subject: Re: Fwd: KAAM Dallas back in Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow The KAAM "switch" must have been flipped again. I'm hearing KAAM in mono this morning. WBAP 820, still stereo. Paul --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" > wrote: > > > > << I had emailed last week after our beloved KAAM Stereo 770 had > been > > mono for several days. They are back in stereo now for the time > being > > anyway. Apparently according to the engineer, the backup > transmitter > > which is mono kicked in during a storm, and it took them 4 days to > > reset things. >> > > > > Still 6 kHz fidelity, though. Very stubborn. > > Strange - I don't seem to remember any such storm in the last three > weeks. We havne't had rain at all in a long time. Makes you wonder! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 01 15:40:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86267 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2005 23:40:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2005 23:40:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2005 23:40:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2005 23:40:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2005 23:40:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:40:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 272 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.141 Subject: 1530 WCKY dumps IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics According to a listener report on Radio-Info.com, Clear Channel's 1530 WCKY in Cincinnati (ex-WSAI) stopped transmitting IBOC upon their switch from Real Oldies to Progressive Talk. Their audio bandwidth remains at CC's corporate standard for music stations (6 kHz). From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Mar 01 17:46:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58228 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2005 01:46:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2005 01:46:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2005 01:46:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:46:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.107.208 by BAY101-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 01:45:42 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20050221185142.99996.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:45:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2005 01:46:00.0153 (UTC) FILETIME=[95DDD490:01C51EC9] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.80 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.107.208] Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRNO / Shortwave Stereo?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John P wrote: >Wasn't WUSA or KUSA supposed to be "SW AM Stereo" from Utah or something around that same time frame? KUSW, Salt Lake City, UT (Now KTBN) was in Stereo before it was taken over by Trinity Broadcasting Network. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Mar 01 20:36:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79471 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2005 04:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2005 04:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2005 04:36:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:36:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.107.208 by BAY101-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 04:35:53 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20050223184901.53888.qmail@web14226.mail.yahoo.com> <003301c51c1f$abf43780$d503fea9@home1> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:35:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2005 04:36:02.0968 (UTC) FILETIME=[5737D980:01C51EE1] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.88 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.107.208] Subject: "Frantz Rants"! on WWRB was: Rev.Stair on MW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: > What time and freq. is he on? sounds like something I'd get a kick out of too. Frantz is a hoot to listen too, but there is no set time or freq for his rants. He will just break into whatever program that is on a rant and rave about whatever got his panties in a wad at that time! The first time I heard one of his rants was right after Bo Gritz moved his show from WWCR to WGTG (Now WWRB). Frants just broke right into Gritz's show and started ranting! Frantz is also known to show up with his HAM station WA4SZE and rant on the Saturday Evening 3950 Khz "Liberty Net". > > Is his beef with WHRI something to do with the music they play? No, it has to do with the way WHRI markets themselves to radio ministries. It also has to due with their "Anti WWRB single sideband" comments on promos and some ads. WHRI (illegally) markets their US signal. and claims side-lobes, backwashes, and scatter reflections as part of their marketable signal...but then, WHRI's weakest transmitter is MUCH stronger than anything in the WWRB transmitter shack! Not to mention those Super-Power BBC transmitters inherited from Christian Science Monitor that power WHRA and WSHB! WHR's transmitters are so powerful they make the back-scatter and side-lobe signals pretty listenable! The last "Frantz Rants" I heard was him raising all sorts of hell about WEWN's (illegal) 15 Khz wide audio. Damn it was funny! Once upon a time, Frantz was going to have a on the air HAM radio license school to help people get their General. What a GREAT idea! I don't think anything ever became of that idea that was part of an anti-ARRL rant one day. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 01 23:54:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3234 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2005 07:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2005 07:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.182) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2005 07:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.124.12.172 with login) by smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2005 07:54:33 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c51efd$4241e0e0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:54:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.163.168.182 From: Subject: KSL AM 1160 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I had just got a reply back from KSL AM 1160 . The man said that they still have Kahn's powerside in the racks but he said they will probly never use them because thay are a BONAVILLE staton wich owens a part IBOC . I told him if ever wants to hear what IBOC station sounds like on a analog radio to come out to the Sacramento CA area and the bay area tune in KCBS AM 740. I can get KCBS AM 740 at a 100 mile from there TX side bands and all. And i can hear there side bands on all my radio's. I also told him if it aint boke why fix it. Analog is just fine and Motorola C-QUAM AM STEREO can be heard over many miles. I allso told him that fm stereo got the same treatment that am stereo did in the first 10 to 15 years out we would not have fm stereo at all . It was not untill 17 or 18 years after fm stereo came out that it finly took off. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 01 23:57:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13044 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2005 07:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2005 07:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2005 07:57:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2005 07:57:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2005 07:57:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 07:56:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 473 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.141 Subject: Re: "Frantz Rants"! on WWRB was: Rev.Stair on MW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The last "Frantz Rants" I heard was him raising all sorts of hell > about WEWN's (illegal) 15 Khz wide audio. Damn it was funny! I haven't heard of any U.S. or international regulations concerning=20 the maximum audio bandwidth that shortwave stations can transmit. Most SW stations limit their audio to 6 kHz or less, but there are=20 some exceptions -- notably Radio Exterior de Espa=F1a, which broadcasts=20 excellent-sounding hi-fi audio, with at least 12 kHz bandwidth. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Mar 02 14:26:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41569 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2005 22:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2005 22:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.118) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2005 22:26:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 84651 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2005 22:26:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=YLxI7WCH2BN/9eDgGSLdNzdxZaD9wEnkjEsEiL9a0WbhltybmUJY0cWFK3sJGe1H9cnFu8/5DBx72jDtkvF0bSQv9Tgilunyux+aGnjol5Op5E0TfaiJ2ya17+f5CnD1j6/+XgbYfuwDsEvjZJNeDpNz3XVgCWGbHTk6s/IfQBI= ; Message-ID: <20050302222635.84649.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.76] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:26:35 PST Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:26:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.118 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WCKY dumps IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > According to a listener report on Radio-Info.com, > Clear Channel's > 1530 WCKY in Cincinnati (ex-WSAI) stopped > transmitting IBOC upon > their switch from Real Oldies to Progressive Talk. > Their audio > bandwidth remains at CC's corporate standard for > music stations > (6 kHz). Actually, after Paul Jellison got promoted to Denver, the audio quality fell through the floor. Listening on a Zenith High Fidelity was painful. It sounded like a 5 kilohertz or LESS bandwith. Not 6. And the ringing, better known as group delay distortion was terrible unless you had a radio that was way down at 3 kilohertz. Powell ===== powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 02 16:18:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56691 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2005 00:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2005 00:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2005 00:18:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2005 00:18:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2005 00:18:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 00:17:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050302222635.84649.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1184 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.141 Subject: Re: 1530 WCKY dumps IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Actually, after Paul Jellison got promoted to Denver, > the audio quality fell through the floor. Listening on > a Zenith High Fidelity was painful. It sounded like a > 5 kilohertz or LESS bandwith. Not 6. And the ringing, > better known as group delay distortion was terrible > unless you had a radio that was way down at 3 > kilohertz. It will be interesting to watch the ratings of AM music stations which have begun transmitting IBOC, because just as you say, the ringing and group delay distortion of a 5 kHz brick-wall filter is audible even with a talk format, and gets downright nasty with a music format. Thus, is it merely a coincidence that in Phildelphia, the ratings of 950 WPEN have gone down in the ditch since they began transmitting IBOC last summer? And speaking of Philadelphia, the station list on iBiquity's web site shows 610 WIP as "On The Air" with IBOC, but I can confirm that at least as of yesterday afternoon, WIP is definitely NOT broadcasting IBOC, nor have they even reduced their audio bandwidth yet. They're still a convenional analog AM mono signal, just as they have been since they stopped using Kahn Power-Side a few years ago. From stodd@mailpobox.com Wed Mar 02 16:49:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31629 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2005 00:49:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2005 00:49:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2005 00:49:04 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.212.62]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:49:02 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c51f8b$2a372760$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:51:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2005 00:49:03.0221 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBA12250:01C51F8A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Frantz Rants"! on WWRB was: Rev.Stair on MW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think it's mostly a gentlemen's agreement that it's 5kHz bw, since that's the carrier spacing. I know that High Adventure's stations do about 8k, but take less bw than VOA's signals since they drive their negative modulation all the way to cutoff while High Adventure is more gentle with their processing. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." I haven't heard of any U.S. or international regulations concerning the maximum audio bandwidth that shortwave stations can transmit. Most SW stations limit their audio to 6 kHz or less, but there are some exceptions -- notably Radio Exterior de España, which broadcasts excellent-sounding hi-fi audio, with at least 12 kHz bandwidth. From w6yn@juno.com Wed Mar 02 21:24:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90951 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2005 05:24:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2005 05:24:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2005 05:24:26 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBCPH5WAZTUSCA for (sender ); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 21:24:04 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLBgrmtcM4EkLZmS63FMSsm0= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KL54XQJT; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 21:23:18 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 21:00:21 -0800 Message-ID: <20050302.212247.2968.1.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6,8-33 X-ContentStamp: 12:6:557327712 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WCKY dumps IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I was in LA last Saturday and all of the IBOC stations 640, 830, and 1020kHz were not "buzzing." However 1110kHz was. That was a supprise as I thought KDIS was real stereo. Don On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:26:35 -0800 (PST) "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" writes: > > > --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > > > > According to a listener report on Radio-Info.com, > > Clear Channel's > > 1530 WCKY in Cincinnati (ex-WSAI) stopped > > transmitting IBOC upon > > their switch from Real Oldies to Progressive Talk. > > Their audio > > bandwidth remains at CC's corporate standard for > > music stations > > (6 kHz). > > > Actually, after Paul Jellison got promoted to Denver, > the audio quality fell through the floor. Listening on > a Zenith High Fidelity was painful. It sounded like a > 5 kilohertz or LESS bandwith. Not 6. And the ringing, > better known as group delay distortion was terrible > unless you had a radio that was way down at 3 > kilohertz. > > > Powell From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Wed Mar 02 22:35:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1948 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2005 06:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2005 06:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2005 06:35:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2005 06:35:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2005 06:35:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 06:34:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050302222635.84649.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 913 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 69.109.169.10 Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WCKY dumps IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 It hurts my ears just reading about it. Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > > > > According to a listener report on Radio-Info.com, > > Clear Channel's > > 1530 WCKY in Cincinnati (ex-WSAI) stopped > > transmitting IBOC upon > > their switch from Real Oldies to Progressive Talk. > > Their audio > > bandwidth remains at CC's corporate standard for > > music stations > > (6 kHz). > > > Actually, after Paul Jellison got promoted to Denver, > the audio quality fell through the floor. Listening on > a Zenith High Fidelity was painful. It sounded like a > 5 kilohertz or LESS bandwith. Not 6. And the ringing, > better known as group delay distortion was terrible > unless you had a radio that was way down at 3 > kilohertz. > > > Powell > > > > > ===== > powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Mar 03 12:37:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85223 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2005 20:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2005 20:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2005 20:37:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2005 20:37:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2005 20:37:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:37:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050302.212247.2968.1.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 435 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WCKY dumps IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > I was in LA last Saturday and all of the IBOC stations 640, 830, and > 1020kHz were not "buzzing." However 1110kHz was. > > That was a supprise as I thought KDIS was real stereo. > > Don Dunno. Right this moment, 1110 is in full bandwidth stereo, and the other three have their IBOC off. 640's disppeared when their tower came down about a month ago. From gccengineering@yahoo.com Thu Mar 03 12:38:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gccengineering@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84804 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2005 20:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2005 20:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2005 20:38:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2005 20:38:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2005 20:38:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:38:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 520 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "Adam E." X-Originating-IP: 206.246.245.219 Subject: I am just getting started in this kind of hobby. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=181536616 X-Yahoo-Profile: gccengineering Hello, How do I get a AM stereo decoder for Kenwood KT-45 my FM/AM stereo tuner? I don't know how to get into this like all you folks can. Should I study the decoder chip and theory to get into this? Also last night I was browsing the websites and I don't know what to do to get to this mode. Please help me out here thanks. I live about 50 miles away from WGAI in Elizabeth City. I also heard that some stations on shortwave are broadcasting in stereo in the posts that I got in my inbox. Adam E. From jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 03 15:21:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46051 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2005 23:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2005 23:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2005 23:21:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2005 23:21:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2005 23:21:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 23:21:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 784 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 69.216.117.207 Subject: Re: I am just getting started in this kind of hobby. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215058239 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Adam, Contact me offline at amstereo@meduci.com I have exonomical C-QuAM stereo decoder boards available fully assembled and tested, as well as turnkey services to convert your Kenwood KT-45 tuner to AM stereo. Thanks, Jeff http://meduci.com You write: >Hello, How do I get a AM stereo decoder for Kenwood KT-45 my FM/AM >stereo tuner? I don't know how to get into this like all you >folks can. Should I study the decoder chip and theory to get into >this? >Also last night I was browsing the websites and I don't know what >to do to get to this mode. Please help me out here thanks. I live >about 50 miles away from WGAI in Elizabeth City. I also heard that >some stations on shortwave are broadcasting in stereo in the posts >that I got in my inbox. > > Adam E. From amstereoexp@yahoo.com Thu Mar 03 17:11:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoexp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80062 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2005 01:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2005 01:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54601.mail.yahoo.com) (68.142.225.185) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 01:11:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 39991 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Mar 2005 01:11:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=rTl3hNrR7QkFpN+n4hfMCFQQCDmgiHH0u7KUYvWSKCuep+/NYy5DWjxuLMKgbsBvzlIHt1bPF2qC29sYd5oBzoACBzEoQn0Qb6Va7LVbdKRcE+/snFA+qwCodVNtbkVP7RCdweuq6mWyXLBbccf1yf71+K6X5JFbJFUWqgGas4g= ; Message-ID: <20050304011143.39989.qmail@web54601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.73.10] by web54601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:11:42 PST Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:11:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.142.225.185 From: Kevin Tekel Subject: News from Dallas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78550888 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoexp --- Ed Padget wrote: > Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:50:23 -0600 > From: Ed Padget > To: amstereoexp@yahoo.com > Subject: Comment from The Official AM STEREO Web Site > > Update to your Stereo AM station list- As of the last week of Feb 2005, > KMKI Disney 620 in Dallas-FW is no longer in C-QUAM stereo ansd will > never be. They disassembled the old equipment and are currently setting > up their IBOC AM. This is as per Roger Helling, an engineer there. > > Ed Padget in Dallas > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Thu Mar 03 20:23:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88167 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2005 04:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2005 04:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 04:23:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2005 04:23:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2005 04:23:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 04:23:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050304011143.39989.qmail@web54601.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 867 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 70.244.200.15 Subject: Re: News from Dallas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Scratch Radio Disney in Dallas... Tough catch in Austin, TX anyway. Paul --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Tekel wrote: > > --- Ed Padget wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:50:23 -0600 > > From: Ed Padget > > To: amstereoexp@y... > > Subject: Comment from The Official AM STEREO Web Site > > > > Update to your Stereo AM station list- As of the last week of Feb 2005, > > KMKI Disney 620 in Dallas-FW is no longer in C-QUAM stereo ansd will > > never be. They disassembled the old equipment and are currently setting > > up their IBOC AM. This is as per Roger Helling, an engineer there. > > > > Ed Padget in Dallas > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Mar 04 00:17:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7321 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2005 08:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2005 08:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 08:17:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2005 08:17:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2005 08:17:50 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51092 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2005 04:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2005 04:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 04:18:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2005 04:18:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2005 04:18:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 04:18:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050304011143.39989.qmail@web54601.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1367 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: :( (Re: News from Dallas) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 04 Mar 2005 08:17:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 When I get a chance at a decent signal, I'll check KDIS, but as of last Sunday I heard full-bandwidth Stereo from the Redlands / Moreno Valley area in the afternoon right before the Top 30 Countdown. (Even though it's mono, I haven't yet noticed any restricted bandwidth from KMIK in Phoenix, AZ. That's the main nighttime Disney station I listen to thanks to a mostly superb signal. I also sometimes hear KAVT Fresno and KKDD San Bernardino, but KAVT is weak and KKDD has too much co-channel interference to see what their bandwidth is (both are mono as far as I know.)) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Tekel wrote: > > --- Ed Padget wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:50:23 -0600 > > From: Ed Padget > > To: amstereoexp@y... > > Subject: Comment from The Official AM STEREO Web Site > > > > Update to your Stereo AM station list- As of the last week of Feb 2005, > > KMKI Disney 620 in Dallas-FW is no longer in C-QUAM stereo ansd will > > never be. They disassembled the old equipment and are currently setting > > up their IBOC AM. This is as per Roger Helling, an engineer there. > > > > Ed Padget in Dallas > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Fri Mar 04 03:26:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91010 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2005 11:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2005 11:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.61.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 11:26:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 03:26:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:25:12 GMT X-Originating-Email: [amstereoguy@hotmail.com] X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 06:25:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2005 11:26:00.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[F132A8E0:01C520AC] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.61.24 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.200] Subject: A cool radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 To our members that like to know when a new radio comes around, I have found a decent one. It's from Sharper Image, of all places. The model # is CT800 , and it is a pretty slick looking small self contained stereo radio with short wave, too. Adding a AM Stereo decoder is a snap, and the factory stereo LED works fine with the decoder, too. AM performance is great- a huge ferrite bar - 6 or 7" long! Now, this radio is NOT a dual conversion radio, but I found SW to be good as well. You can go to Amazon.com and read my review for more info. I just rated it, so my review may take an hour or so to appear. All in all, for $79.00 a very good deal despite a few fixable shortcomings. Chris From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 04 04:13:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93819 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2005 12:13:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2005 12:13:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 12:13:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2005 12:08:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2005 08:35:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:35:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 472 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.10 Subject: Re: News from Dallas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Scratch Radio Disney in Dallas... > > Tough catch in Austin, TX anyway. This also does not bode well for listeners in Waco, who can receive 610 KILT (Houston), 620 KMKI (Plano/Dallas), and 630 KSLR (San Antonio) all with approximately equal signal strength (KMKI and KSLR are both 0.5 mV/m in Waco, while KILT is slightly less). Once KMKI turns on their IBOC, I bet listeners in Waco will be going wacko over all the "hash" they'll be hearing on KILT and KSLR. From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Mar 04 06:12:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43516 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2005 14:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2005 14:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 14:12:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2005 14:10:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2005 14:10:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:10:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 304 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.51 From: "Bruce Carter" X-Originating-IP: 192.94.94.105 Subject: Re: News from Dallas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter This stuff will implode. I don't think we can ever salvage C-quam, but when the deffacation hits the fan that IBOC doesn't work, we stand a chance of getting hybrid DRM or maybe Kahn's system. All IBOC has done is finish C-Quam. And these broadcasters are lemmings going over a cliff together. From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Fri Mar 04 11:07:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98163 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2005 19:07:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2005 19:07:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 19:07:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2005 19:07:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2005 19:07:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:07:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 980 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 Subject: Re: A cool radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, Nice report. I've had my eye on that radio. Nice looking radio. Is there an AM IF tap that doesn't require AM mono audio to be blended with the stereo? Paul --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > To our members that like to know when a new radio comes around, I have found > a decent one. It's from Sharper Image, of all places. The model # is CT800 , > and it is a pretty slick looking small self contained stereo radio with > short wave, too. Adding a AM Stereo decoder is a snap, and the factory > stereo LED works fine with the decoder, too. AM performance is great- a huge > ferrite bar - 6 or 7" long! Now, this radio is NOT a dual conversion radio, > but I found SW to be good as well. You can go to Amazon.com and read my > review for more info. I just rated it, so my review may take an hour or so > to appear. All in all, for $79.00 a very good deal despite a few fixable > shortcomings. > Chris From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Mar 04 11:52:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 599 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2005 19:52:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2005 19:52:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 19:52:07 -0000 Received: from ccuff (unverified [66.6.184.71]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:53:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c520f5$73141720$dc70fea9@ccuff> To: References: Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:05:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A cool radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, like most all modern IC's, the IF IC (TA8132) has a combo am/fm output. The decoder over rides the signal very well however. Listening to WJR this am, the stereo was very evident as soon as it kicked in, and separation was very good. The sound on WTTM was also outstanding. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: pabigelow To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:07 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: A cool radio Hello, Nice report. I've had my eye on that radio. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Fri Mar 04 12:54:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58487 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2005 20:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2005 20:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 20:54:38 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBCTUZ4A5P757A for (sender ); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:54:18 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLDmEWAuLJllpa/u8vKjPRT8= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KMACKNE7; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:53:29 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:52:38 -0800 Message-ID: <20050304.125239.1020.2.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ContentStamp: 5:2:51527548 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.136.22.67 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Ibiquity Investment Round Seen as 'Likely Its Last' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Ibiquity Investment Round Seen as 'Likely Its Last' For an idea of how Ibiquity's latest injection of cash is playing out in the business pages, here's one from the Washington Post: "Barring a widespread rejection of the technology by consumers, Ibiquity by this time next year will finally be drawing in some real revenue after 15 years of spending the money of investors that have pumped in more than $135 million in corporate and independent venture capital," the newspaper reported. "The company, which developed and controls the technology for high-quality digital radio broadcasts and receivers, recently raised what is likely to be its last venture capital. It will spend the $20 million mostly on the marketing and sales effort required to license and deliver its technology to major consumer product makers and broadcasters that have promised to make it widely available in the coming year." See www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58846-2005Feb27.html?sub=AR From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Mar 04 14:53:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48452 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2005 22:53:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2005 22:53:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 22:53:12 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.188.193]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:54:31 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c5210d$1b4f4b00$c1bc0642@4bmx301> To: References: <20050304.125239.1020.2.w6yn@juno.com> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:54:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: WEOK & WALL go Radio Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In NY, Radio Disney is now being broadcast on WEOK in Poughkeepsie and on WALL in Middletown. Both had been broadcasting a Hispanic format which had become unprofitable, according to Cumulus. Article in todays Times Herald Record... Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Mar 04 15:11:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37911 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2005 23:11:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2005 23:11:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 23:11:01 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.188.193]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:12:21 -0500 Message-ID: <002701c5210f$98da5a40$c1bc0642@4bmx301> To: References: <20050304.125239.1020.2.w6yn@juno.com> <001701c5210d$1b4f4b00$c1bc0642@4bmx301> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:12:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Radio Kits finally coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will be putting the first AM Stereo/ FM Stereo kit radio on ebay possibly tomorrow in a test auction. The radio will be one of an initial run of 200, and when they are listed in the normal auction format, they will be offered for a Buy it Now price of $50.00. This has been a long time coming, and I have to say that writing the instructions so the average kit builder could understand them was a challenge, but that part is done. I will judge by the response from the 10 day test "Featured" auction whether to indeed offer these as kits, or pre-assembled. The public will decide that. As well, a new AM sterero only (no FM) kit radio is already plated and I plan to release that one as a low cost alternative. That one is a ways off for now- It all depends on how kit #1 plays out- stay tuned.. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Fri Mar 04 17:04:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14946 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2005 01:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2005 01:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 01:04:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 01:04:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 01:04:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 01:04:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002701c5210f$98da5a40$c1bc0642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 981 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 70.249.34.28 Subject: Re: Radio Kits finally coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Great news! I'll be looking! Paul --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I will be putting the first AM Stereo/ FM Stereo kit radio on ebay possibly tomorrow in a test auction. The radio will be one of an initial run of 200, and when they are listed in the normal auction format, they will be offered for a Buy it Now price of $50.00. This has been a long time coming, and I have to say that writing the instructions so the average kit builder could understand them was a challenge, but that part is done. I will judge by the response from the 10 day test "Featured" auction whether to indeed offer these as kits, or pre-assembled. The public will decide that. As well, a new AM sterero only (no FM) kit radio is already plated and I plan to release that one as a low cost alternative. That one is a ways off for now- It all depends on how kit #1 plays out- stay tuned.. > Chris > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Mar 04 18:23:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22646 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2005 02:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2005 02:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 02:23:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 02:23:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 02:23:14 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50933 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2005 01:05:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2005 01:05:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 01:05:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 01:05:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 01:05:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 01:05:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001701c5210d$1b4f4b00$c1bc0642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 642 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.108.90 Subject: Re: WEOK & WALL go Radio Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Mar 2005 02:23:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.36 I'm waiting for a stick (or set of them) preferably within 10 miles of El Cajon, CA, to start carrying them in C-Quam AM Stereo... For now I'm stuck with a weak, but stereo, signal from KDIS in the daytime, and a strong, but mono, signal from KMIK at night. :( --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > In NY, Radio Disney is now being broadcast on WEOK in Poughkeepsie and on WALL in Middletown. Both had been broadcasting a Hispanic format which had become unprofitable, according to Cumulus. Article in todays Times Herald Record... > Chris > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 04 18:35:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40623 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2005 02:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2005 02:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 02:35:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 02:34:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 02:34:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 02:34:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 444 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.10 Subject: Re: News from Dallas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > All IBOC has done is finish C-Quam. And these broadcasters are > lemmings going over a cliff together. An IBOC exciter is nothing but an embedded PC running Linux. Once IBOC flops and iBiquity goes bankrupt, it would be a piece of cake to reprogram these exciters to produce C-Quam AM Stereo instead of IBOC. And likewise, IBOC receivers could be reprogrammed to receive C-Quam, or virtually any other system, such as DRM or CAM-D. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Mar 04 18:44:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51193 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2005 02:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2005 02:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 02:44:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:44:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.107.208 by BAY101-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 02:44:01 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:43:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2005 02:44:01.0862 (UTC) FILETIME=[305DB660:01C5212D] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.56.76 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [24.94.107.208] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: News from Dallas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T wrote: >Once IBOC flops and iBiquity goes bankrupt, it would be a piece of cake to reprogram these exciters to produce C-Quam AM Stereo instead of IBOC. Perhaps > > And likewise, IBOC receivers could be reprogrammed to receive C-Quam, or virtually any other system, such as DRM or CAM-D. Only if the radio has a DSP chip that can be flashed. It would be easy to make a radio that would receive all 3 digital systems and the two most popular analog AM Stereo systems. It has been done before, but was killed by lawsuits. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 04 19:38:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16403 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2005 03:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2005 03:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 03:38:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 03:38:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 03:38:10 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15164 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2005 03:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2005 03:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 03:17:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 03:17:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 03:17:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 03:17:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1279 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.42 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.177 Subject: Re: News from Dallas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Mar 2005 03:38:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > All IBOC has done is finish C-Quam. And these broadcasters are > > lemmings going over a cliff together. > > An IBOC exciter is nothing but an embedded PC running Linux. Once > IBOC flops and iBiquity goes bankrupt, it would be a piece of cake > to reprogram these exciters to produce C-Quam AM Stereo instead of > IBOC. And likewise, IBOC receivers could be reprogrammed to receive > C-Quam, or virtually any other system, such as DRM or CAM-D. It's trivial to recode for digital- Just install DReaM to do the job! Digital modulation of an analog form, however, still requires dedicated hardware, being that even under Linux and ever-faster CPUs, a PC is still not capable of realtime digital rendering of an AM IF with quadrature, unless you have a soundcard capable of greater than a 96kHz sampling rate with the ability to process that fast. Fully-dedicated DSP processors exist, and have been in use for over a decade, but please note I said "fully-dedicated"- A PC's CPU is never dedicated to any single task, even if a direct-to-CPU DSP software is applied- no OS- because it still must control the various pieces of hardware, including the CMOS clock. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From watan-ko@h4.dion.ne.jp Fri Mar 04 23:31:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: watan-ko@h4.dion.ne.jp X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34657 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2005 07:31:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2005 07:31:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 07:31:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 07:31:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 07:31:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 07:30:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 326 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "irukero" X-Originating-IP: 220.214.84.252 Subject: Radio Shark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67253313 X-Yahoo-Profile: irukero Dear members, I found this radio for PC in Akihabara. I asked the manufacturer, however, it has no capability of AM stereo. But if it uses conventional AM/FM front end, not DSP based chip, it can be modified to receive AM stereo signal. http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/radioshark/ Sincerely Koji Nagoya, Japan From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 04 23:57:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81707 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2005 07:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2005 07:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 07:57:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 07:56:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 07:56:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 07:56:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 451 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.10 Subject: Re: Radio Shark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I found this radio for PC in Akihabara. I asked the manufacturer, > however, it has no capability of AM stereo. > > But if it uses conventional AM/FM front end, not DSP based chip, > it can be modified to receive AM stereo signal. PC-controlled radios have been around for a very long time now. In 1993, you could buy an AM/FM tuner (with RDS on FM) which installed into an ISA slot in your PC, and used Windows 3.1x to control its features. From dougharding@bellsouth.net Sat Mar 05 09:05:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56921 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2005 17:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2005 17:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 17:05:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 17:05:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 17:05:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:04:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 151 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.40 From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 65.6.205.68 Subject: Harris AM Stereo Modulation Monitor on Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Hi Gang, There is a Harris AM Stereo Modulation Monitor on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3278&item=7305733877&rd=1 From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Mar 05 09:37:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17589 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2005 17:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2005 17:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 17:37:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 17:37:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 17:37:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:37:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050304011143.39989.qmail@web54601.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 578 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Re: News from Dallas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Yep, early last week I noticed 620 Disney's mono. The thing that gets me is the HUGE drop-off in signal quality when 620 is in mono. Are they reducing power? Or is the bad signal a taste of the 5 kHz analog bandwidth that will accompany IBOC? > > Update to your Stereo AM station list- As of the last week of Feb 2005, > > KMKI Disney 620 in Dallas-FW is no longer in C-QUAM stereo ansd will > > never be. They disassembled the old equipment and are currently setting > > up their IBOC AM. This is as per Roger Helling, an engineer there. > > > > Ed Padget in Dallas From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Mar 05 09:45:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77996 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2005 17:45:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2005 17:45:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 17:45:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 17:45:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 17:45:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:45:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 673 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: SRF-A200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee With 620 Disney going mono and 770 KAAM going 6 kHz, my AM Stereo listening options in Dallas have gone WAY south since late last year when I won my SRF-A200 on eBay. WBAP is the only hi-fi C-Quam option left, and Talk programming isn't nearly as fun as music. I'll say this, though: my SRF-A200 (the Australian version of the A100) is a GREAT little radio. I haven't looked inside, but I suspect there's a pretty decent-lengthed ferrite bar inside. It's DX ability is pretty solid. And mono AM stations can sound REALLY great through the A200's speakers. Sometimes you wouldn't know that you weren't listening to an NPR talk show on an FM public station. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Mar 05 09:55:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92320 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2005 17:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2005 17:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 17:55:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 17:55:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 17:55:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:55:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 794 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Douglas" X-Originating-IP: 67.172.198.66 Subject: Saving C-Quam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee I've been thinking of ways to keep C-Quam alive, and here's my best shot at it: We should combine forces with wooden tube radio enthusiasts (I happen to be one of those, too). IBOC will also kill THAT hobby's chance at hi-fi AM listening. I have no idea how to get this started, but it seems to me that we should try to get public-owned AM stations started in our communities. These stations would broadcast Classic Jazz and Big Band music in C-Quam. Really, you'd hit three or four distinct listenerships: C-Quam fans, Jazz fans, Big Band fans, and Wooden Tube Radio fans. With all the Celtic chant programming on Public FM's, surely many communities could support AM Jazz and Big Band programming--especially if it's packaged in a public radio business model. Just an idea. From badeditpro@cox.net Sat Mar 05 12:51:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20994 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2005 20:51:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2005 20:51:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 20:51:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 20:51:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 20:51:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 20:51:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 232 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 From: "JC" X-Originating-IP: 68.0.17.189 Subject: Re: Saving C-Quam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions I'm all up for that idea! I just want to know how we could get anyone with the bucks necessary to start a group of stations like that interested in the idea. Evan Public Radio needs some starting capital. Anybody got any ideas? From raydidio2004@yahoo.com Sat Mar 05 14:50:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydidio2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66559 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2005 22:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2005 22:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 22:50:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 22:50:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 22:50:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:50:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 217 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "Michael" X-Originating-IP: 4.131.36.214 Subject: Sony SRF-A300 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170665822 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydidio2004 First, that will teach me to pay attention on keeping my emails read. That one went for 52 bucks on Ebay. Now, any of you have experience with this radio? Anything you can tell me is appreciated. Thanks, Michael. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Mar 05 15:12:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47937 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2005 23:12:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2005 23:12:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 23:12:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 23:11:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 23:11:13 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69536 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2005 21:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2005 21:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 21:39:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 21:39:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 21:39:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 21:39:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1924 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.120.214.177 Subject: Re: Saving C-Quam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Mar 2005 23:11:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 I might add more to this thread later, as I really don't have the time right now. HOWEVER.... The current broadcasting model, as well as previous ones we've all known over the years, we can't save. The industry won't let us. That being said, another thing mentioned is that the C-QUAM AM stereo technology won't be able to be saved. That, my dear friends and colleagues, is pure bull, since I have been working VERY HARD, largely behind the scenes, to do just that! I stake my life on preserving C-QUAM and other AMS technologies. I want this information out there and available to anyone interested, and not just shoved in a folder in a locked file cabinet somewhere. And even the patents are mired down by the sheer size of the patent library at the US Patent & Trademark Office-- Thank God they have all the patents online, all the way to Patent #1 from 1830, and searchable back to 1975! There already is the Alfredo C-QUAM transmitter (and soon, the Alfredo Lite) online, as well as several receiver and decoder schems, and these will live on. C-QUAM, as a commercial product, is dead or near dying, but C-QUAM itself is not, and NEVER WILL BE dead, as long as at least one person cares enough to use, study, share, experiment with it. I'm archiving the technology. Chris and Jeff are making the decoders (and Chris is making the TXes). Neal and many other engineers are keeping the pilot light on and the L-R fed, inspite tremendous odds. And of course Kevin's, Bob's and Dennis' AMS forums keep the topic alive. No, AM stereo, in analog form, will not be dying anytime soon, but broadcast radio, we WILL see going through yet another transformation in the near future. And yes, I also advocate community broadcasting. I also advocate making use of non-RIAA-controlled music and other recordings. Doing this will keep our dreams affordable. SUPPORT INDEPENDENT MUSICIANS! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Mar 05 15:23:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38024 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2005 23:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2005 23:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 23:23:08 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.179.156]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:24:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c521da$743a6ba0$9cb30642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:24:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-A300 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow- That was sad. I do think what killed it is the FM. Simply crushing down a turn or 2 of the FM Osc coil brings the FM into the higher area. I only tweaked mine to go as high as 101, as I almost never listen to FM except for the morning show on WWRV 92.7 KT was also correct- the 100 volt transformer will tolerate 120 volts. When I was working in the amusement game manufacturing industry back in 86, we had Pioneer laserdisc players that were for 100 volts, and these were on 24/7 with no failures (of the transformers, anyway- don't get me started on the HeNe tubes) Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Mar 05 15:29:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16837 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2005 23:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2005 23:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 23:29:26 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.179.156]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:30:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c521db$55aa3660$9cb30642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:30:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.72.67.12 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Saving C-Quam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My email tells me it's not dead yet, either. In the past month, I have gotten more email from interested people than in an entire year. Using ebay's "Featured Plus" option, a LOT more people see the items, and I am still amazed that now, after 20+ years of the technology being around, the vast majority of people STILL have no idea it ever existed! The last Lite I had on ebay ended up with 1038 hits on the counter- And I am still getting emails about that one. Today's listing for the kit radio is already approaching 100 hits, and its not even 12 hours old yet. My fingers are sore from answering email. Don't give up guys! Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bccphotec@yahoo.com Sat Mar 05 15:42:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bccphotec@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93546 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2005 23:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2005 23:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 23:42:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 23:42:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2005 23:42:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 23:41:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002701c5210f$98da5a40$c1bc0642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1173 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.50 From: "bccphotec" X-Originating-IP: 65.101.57.113 Subject: Re: Radio Kits finally coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142011300 X-Yahoo-Profile: bccphotec Any way you'll market those directly (to members)? I'd really like one. However, if you'd rather I go thru ebay, I guess I'd have to. No biggie, I am registered and have PayPal. Jim H. in Black Canyon City,AZ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I will be putting the first AM Stereo/ FM Stereo kit radio on ebay possibly tomorrow in a test auction. The radio will be one of an initial run of 200, and when they are listed in the normal auction format, they will be offered for a Buy it Now price of $50.00. This has been a long time coming, and I have to say that writing the instructions so the average kit builder could understand them was a challenge, but that part is done. I will judge by the response from the 10 day test "Featured" auction whether to indeed offer these as kits, or pre-assembled. The public will decide that. As well, a new AM sterero only (no FM) kit radio is already plated and I plan to release that one as a low cost alternative. That one is a ways off for now- It all depends on how kit #1 plays out- stay tuned.. > Chris > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From frankh@habu.dtdns.net Sat Mar 05 17:01:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frankh@habu.dtdns.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6770 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2005 01:01:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2005 01:01:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO habu.dtdns.net) (216.231.42.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2005 01:01:28 -0000 Received: from naha (unknown [192.168.0.53]) by habu.dtdns.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D7F4712E5B8 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:01:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <011101c521e8$03b12f00$3500a8c0@dtdns.net> To: References: <000e01c521db$55aa3660$9cb30642@4bmx301> Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:01:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.231.42.28 From: "Frank Hansche" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Saving C-Quam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78221270 X-Yahoo-Profile: frankh192000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would it be possible to drive a Rangemaster with AM stereo? I suppose I'd have to go look for an exiter. Frank H ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Cuff To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Saving C-Quam My email tells me it's not dead yet, either. In the past month, I have gotten more email from interested people than in an entire year. Using ebay's "Featured Plus" option, a LOT more people see the items, and I am still amazed that now, after 20+ years of the technology being around, the vast majority of people STILL have no idea it ever existed! The last Lite I had on ebay ended up with 1038 hits on the counter- And I am still getting emails about that one. Today's listing for the kit radio is already approaching 100 hits, and its not even 12 hours old yet. My fingers are sore from answering email. Don't give up guys! Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! 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Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Mar 05 18:57:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44446 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2005 02:57:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2005 02:57:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2005 02:57:24 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.117]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:57:22 -0700 Message-ID: <003401c521f8$9b2c39a0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <000e01c521db$55aa3660$9cb30642@4bmx301> <011101c521e8$03b12f00$3500a8c0@dtdns.net> Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:00:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2005 02:57:23.0190 (UTC) FILETIME=[38686960:01C521F8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Saving C-Quam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Don't see why not, though you might need to make some modifications. If the Rangemaster output stage is linear, then you could feed a composite signal into it from an Alfredo Lite transmitter. If the output is class-C (which would make more sense since the greater efficiency means more RF to radiate) then you'd feed it like any normal AM transmitter with a regular stereo generator. It is possible to modify the AL for this and I can give you some details if you go that route. I've been slowly working on one of these to be used with a part-15 transmitter. The one detail is whether or not I'll need any audio delay to keep the channels in sync. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Hansche" To: Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:01 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Saving C-Quam > > Would it be possible to drive a Rangemaster with AM stereo? I suppose I'd have to go look for an exiter. > > Frank H > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Cuff > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 3:30 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Saving C-Quam > > > My email tells me it's not dead yet, either. In the past month, I have gotten more email from interested people than in an entire year. Using ebay's "Featured Plus" option, a LOT more people see the items, and I am still amazed that now, after 20+ years of the technology being around, the vast majority of people STILL have no idea it ever existed! The last Lite I had on ebay ended up with 1038 hits on the counter- And I am still getting emails about that one. Today's listing for the kit radio is already approaching 100 hits, and its not even 12 hours old yet. My fingers are sore from answering email. Don't give up guys! > Chris > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Mar 05 19:00:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94760 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2005 03:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2005 03:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2005 03:00:49 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.117]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:00:47 -0700 Message-ID: <003c01c521f9$15b6c500$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:03:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2005 03:00:48.0678 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2E36460:01C521F8] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: News from Dallas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've heard that complaint about numerous stations that have backed off in preparation for IBOC. And we keep getting told that the reduced bw should make the station sound *louder* since it won't be transmitting all that wasted energy. Isn't WBAP also owned by ABC/Disney? Seems like their AMS days are numbered if that's the case. Get your aircheck tapes done now! Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas" > > Yep, early last week I noticed 620 Disney's mono. The thing that gets me is the HUGE > drop-off in signal quality when 620 is in mono. Are they reducing power? Or is the > bad signal a taste of the 5 kHz analog bandwidth that will accompany IBOC? > > From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Mar 05 19:30:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90147 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2005 03:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2005 03:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2005 03:30:46 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.117]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:30:44 -0700 Message-ID: <005401c521fd$44b544e0$d503fea9@home1> To: Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:33:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2005 03:30:45.0459 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1DA6A30:01C521FC] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 67.41.129.43 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: SRF-A100 on ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you want an SRF-A100, there's one on ebay with only a couple days to go. It isn't in perfect condition, but it's better than the one I own. No bids as of this posting and the price is pretty reasonable. Scott Todd http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16702&item=5756223934&rd=1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Mar 05 21:57:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24019 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2005 05:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2005 05:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2005 05:57:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 98700 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2005 05:57:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20050306055757.98698.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.61.40] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 21:57:56 PST Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:57:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.71 From: "John P." Subject: re: Radio Shark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Koji - welcome - it's been years since we've heard from you! Please visit our AM Stereo group more often!! How is the C-Quam AM Stereo scene in your part of the world?? __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From petersdad2001@yahoo.com Sat Mar 05 22:09:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: petersdad2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21676 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2005 06:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2005 06:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2005 06:09:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2005 06:09:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2005 06:09:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 06:09:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2122 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Alan Oda" X-Originating-IP: 4.35.112.92 Subject: Re: Saving C-Quam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=79442875 X-Yahoo-Profile: petersdad2001 Hear hear!!! Well stated Amy!!! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > I might add more to this thread later, as I really don't have the > time right now. HOWEVER.... > > The current broadcasting model, as well as previous ones we've all > known over the years, we can't save. The industry won't let us. > > That being said, another thing mentioned is that the C-QUAM AM stereo > technology won't be able to be saved. That, my dear friends and > colleagues, is pure bull, since I have been working VERY HARD, > largely behind the scenes, to do just that! I stake my life on > preserving C-QUAM and other AMS technologies. I want this information > out there and available to anyone interested, and not just shoved in > a folder in a locked file cabinet somewhere. And even the patents are > mired down by the sheer size of the patent library at the US Patent & > Trademark Office-- Thank God they have all the patents online, all > the way to Patent #1 from 1830, and searchable back to 1975! > > There already is the Alfredo C-QUAM transmitter (and soon, the > Alfredo Lite) online, as well as several receiver and decoder schems, > and these will live on. > > C-QUAM, as a commercial product, is dead or near dying, but C-QUAM > itself is not, and NEVER WILL BE dead, as long as at least one person > cares enough to use, study, share, experiment with it. > > I'm archiving the technology. > Chris and Jeff are making the decoders (and Chris is making the TXes). > Neal and many other engineers are keeping the pilot light on and the > L-R fed, inspite tremendous odds. > > And of course Kevin's, Bob's and Dennis' AMS forums keep the topic > alive. > > No, AM stereo, in analog form, will not be dying anytime soon, but > broadcast radio, we WILL see going through yet another transformation > in the near future. > > And yes, I also advocate community broadcasting. I also advocate > making use of non-RIAA-controlled music and other recordings. Doing > this will keep our dreams affordable. SUPPORT INDEPENDENT MUSICIANS! > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 05 23:41:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69339 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2005 07:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2005 07:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2005 07:41:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2005 07:41:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2005 07:41:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 07:41:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 534 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.10 Subject: New web site address X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The Official AM Stereo Web Site is now available at an address that is shorter and easier to remember than ever before: http://AMStereo.tk You may also access it as http://www.amstereo.tk if you prefer. The current address of http://AMStereo.s5.com will also be retained, so that there will be no dead links. And just as it was when I created my first AM Stereo web site in February 1998, it will still be hosted at http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics -- that's now an amazing 7 years at the same location! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 05 23:58:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62754 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2005 07:58:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2005 07:58:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2005 07:58:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2005 07:58:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2005 07:58:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 07:58:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 474 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.10 Subject: Turn your PC monitor into an AM transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Usually, RF interference caused by your computer is an annoyance... but with some creative programming, it can be turned into a way to broadcast an intelligible radio signal: http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest/ Are there any Linux users here would could try this? It reminds me of when one of the Hewlett-Packard flatbed scanners could be programmed to play a song, by having its motor seek back and forth at different speeds to get the different pitches for each note. From kya1260@lycos.com Sun Mar 06 10:21:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27676 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2005 18:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2005 18:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2005 18:21:51 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 58DAA18001A0 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:19:37 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 6 Mar 2005 18:19:36 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CB827E5BC7; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:19:35 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [68.125.54.188] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 10:19:35 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 10:19:35 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050306181935.CB827E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Saving C-Quam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ I totally agree with Amy! I could not have phrased it better... Even though it's only a four-hour-a-week show, I've been promoting the "AM Stereo" line for KVON heavily on the "GoldVine," as getting=20 the word out is still a plus, no matter what - which includes=20 promoting one or two websites where applicable so that the casual=20 listener can learn more (had one e-mail inquiry as such last night)... Great to see Chris Cuff is getting some responses on AM stereo, too! --Jay < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Oda" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Saving C-Quam Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 06:09:36 -0000 >=20 >=20 > Hear hear!!! Well stated Amy!!! >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote= : > > > > > > I might add more to this thread later, as I really don't have the=20 > > time right now. HOWEVER.... > > > > The current broadcasting model, as well as previous ones we've=20 > > all known over the years, we can't save. The industry won't let=20 > > us. > > > > That being said, another thing mentioned is that the C-QUAM AM=20 > > stereo technology won't be able to be saved. That, my dear=20 > > friends and colleagues, is pure bull, since I have been working=20 > > VERY HARD, largely behind the scenes, to do just that! I stake my=20 > > life on preserving C-QUAM and other AMS technologies. I want this=20 > > information out there and available to anyone interested, and not=20 > > just shoved in a folder in a locked file cabinet somewhere. And=20 > > even the patents are mired down by the sheer size of the patent=20 > > library at the US Patent & Trademark Office-- Thank God they have=20 > > all the patents online, all the way to Patent #1 from 1830, and=20 > > searchable back to 1975! > > > > There already is the Alfredo C-QUAM transmitter (and soon, the=20 > > Alfredo Lite) online, as well as several receiver and decoder=20 > > schems, and these will live on. > > > > C-QUAM, as a commercial product, is dead or near dying, but=20 > > C-QUAM itself is not, and NEVER WILL BE dead, as long as at least=20 > > one person cares enough to use, study, share, experiment with it. > > > > I'm archiving the technology. > > Chris and Jeff are making the decoders (and Chris is making the TXes). > > Neal and many other engineers are keeping the pilot light on and=20 > > the L-R fed, inspite tremendous odds. > > > > And of course Kevin's, Bob's and Dennis' AMS forums keep the topic aliv= e. > > > > No, AM stereo, in analog form, will not be dying anytime soon,=20 > > but broadcast radio, we WILL see going through yet another=20 > > transformation in the near future. > > > > And yes, I also advocate community broadcasting. I also advocate=20 > > making use of non-RIAA-controlled music and other recordings.=20 > > Doing this will keep our dreams affordable. SUPPORT INDEPENDENT=20 > > MUSICIANS! > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From bd6xray@lycos.com Sun Mar 06 15:01:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bd6xray@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62313 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2005 23:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2005 23:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2005 23:01:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2005 22:59:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2005 22:59:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 22:58:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 96 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "bd6xray" Subject: IBOC on WKSH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83174981 X-Yahoo-Profile: bd6xray WKSH 1640 Sussex WI, Radio Disney, has turned off the AM Stereo and turned on IBOC. Al Hajny From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 06 19:00:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24127 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2005 03:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2005 03:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2005 03:00:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2005 02:55:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2005 02:55:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 02:55:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 701 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: IBOC on WKSH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WKSH 1640 Sussex WI, Radio Disney, has turned off the AM Stereo and > turned on IBOC. I bet listeners of 1630 KCJJ and 1650 KCNZ will be thrilled with all the "hash" they'll be hearing -- plus listeners of 1620 WHLY and 1650 WQSN will get a lovely "squealing" noise from WKSH's digital sidebands. So, in a kind of way, this is good; the stronger skywave propagation of Expanded Band signals will help show just how destructive IBOC interference can be. The current sunrise and sunset times for WKSH are 6:00 AM and 6:00 PM, Central Standard Time. Adjusting accordingly for the time zone you're in, you'll know when to tune in to get a taste of WKSH's 10,000-watt "daytime" IBOC signal. 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=2wrrgcfwvR8uHisUq/taRRaTbpTrJ/pRcPHyMTpGwebYtEQbnuJ5jWtD13/IUbC41xg4mYrez6mmhOm003SztXk9AddHJBumSdIZhTSn2DDXzJwK7fBB8w5/7qEE/ri5RfVnEkJ75+5OxIIZhRo2cjjePHXRzaIHFuEyk8E8PlM= ; Message-ID: <20050307203256.99516.qmail@web14225.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web14225.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 12:32:55 PST Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:32:55 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 66.163.171.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "John P." Subject: read and weep X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2005/03/02/notes030205.DTL&nl=fix __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Mar 07 15:37:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11628 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2005 23:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2005 23:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2005 23:37:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2005 23:36:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2005 23:36:41 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6706 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2005 18:50:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2005 18:50:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2005 18:49:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2005 18:45:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2005 18:45:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:45:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 42 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Alfredo Lite schem! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 07 Mar 2005 23:36:36 -0000 http://tinyurl.com/6h2pp Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Mon Mar 07 18:02:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52839 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 02:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2005 02:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 02:02:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 01:58:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 01:58:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 01:58:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050307203256.99516.qmail@web14225.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1144 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: read and weep X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2005/03/02/notes030205.DTL&nl=fix > > > > > __________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ What is really amusing, in a pathetic way, is when these Clear Channel stations wet all over themselves trying to stream their broadcasts on the web. But what they don't seem to get is that internet radio is a whole 'nuther playing field. And what harried listeners begrudgingly put up with on terrestrial radio; overly chatty D.J.'s, a seemingly endless stream of commercials, the same 100 songs played over and over and meaningless promotional giveaways, they don't have to put up with on internet radio. Now, if there's some reliable way to get internet radio into the car without an iPod, terrestrial radio really will be dead and Clear Channel and the other media giants who have heavily invested in radio stations will just about dry up (except for maybe their billboard divisions). db From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Mar 07 21:50:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29507 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 05:50:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2005 05:50:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 05:50:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 05:46:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 05:46:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 05:46:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1511 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "pabigelow" Subject: Re: read and weep X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Nothing inherently wrong with terrestrial radio, it's what the corporate owners have done with it and what they do to the competition. Watch the last few minutes of the court trial in the movie "Tucker: The Man and His Dream". Paul --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2005/03/02/notes030205.DTL&nl=fix > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > > What is really amusing, in a pathetic way, is when these Clear Channel stations wet all over > themselves trying to stream their broadcasts on the web. > > > But what they don't seem to get is that internet radio is a whole 'nuther playing field. And > what harried listeners begrudgingly put up with on terrestrial radio; overly chatty D.J.'s, a > seemingly endless stream of commercials, the same 100 songs played over and over and > meaningless promotional giveaways, they don't have to put up with on internet radio. > > Now, if there's some reliable way to get internet radio into the car without an iPod, > terrestrial radio really will be dead and Clear Channel and the other media giants who have > heavily invested in radio stations will just about dry up (except for maybe their billboard > divisions). > > db From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Mar 07 21:51:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82459 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 05:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2005 05:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 05:51:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 05:50:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 05:50:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 05:50:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 199 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "pabigelow" Subject: KAAM 770 Dallas TX -- CQUAM stereo anymore? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, Is KAAM 770 Dallas CQUAM stereo anymore? I don't seem to be getting any separation. WBAP 820 does still have separaion with commercials and musical bridges, despite being talk-radio. Paul From raydidio2004@yahoo.com Mon Mar 07 22:37:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydidio2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63309 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 06:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2005 06:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52110.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 06:37:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 77119 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Mar 2005 06:37:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Wa9sYGEHk/3oegeaL3jV7dA6Jc2Gli9RkxWT8yI/XxlLNL/3wgwOW3dpMhW2XEu4JhZK9OYklgHBQ/a/BA/mfpyt7gZ8mljpdDoVDy4WjgKxOMoetB3JyCyLZaNpPreGeGp1UbLiobQ2wdDimhLsUyEd4+6M7Ntl8OnPAhCGWJc= ; Message-ID: <20050308063733.77117.qmail@web52110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.131.33.238] by web52110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:37:33 PST Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:37:33 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Michael Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: read and weep X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170665822 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydidio2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well said! Amen! Michael pabigelow wrote: Nothing inherently wrong with terrestrial radio, it's what the corporate owners have done with it and what they do to the competition. Watch the last few minutes of the court trial in the movie "Tucker: The Man and His Dream". Paul --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2005/03/02/notes030205.DTL&nl=fix > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > > What is really amusing, in a pathetic way, is when these Clear Channel stations wet all over > themselves trying to stream their broadcasts on the web. > > > But what they don't seem to get is that internet radio is a whole 'nuther playing field. And > what harried listeners begrudgingly put up with on terrestrial radio; overly chatty D.J.'s, a > seemingly endless stream of commercials, the same 100 songs played over and over and > meaningless promotional giveaways, they don't have to put up with on internet radio. > > Now, if there's some reliable way to get internet radio into the car without an iPod, > terrestrial radio really will be dead and Clear Channel and the other media giants who have > heavily invested in radio stations will just about dry up (except for maybe their billboard > divisions). > > db Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. "Some people are weatherwise, Most are otherwise" -- Benjamin Franklin --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Mar 07 22:53:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11824 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 06:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2005 06:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 06:53:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 02:48:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 02:48:38 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87815 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 02:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2005 02:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 02:38:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 02:36:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 02:36:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 02:36:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1536 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: read and weep X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 08 Mar 2005 02:48:23 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" wrote: > But what they don't seem to get is that internet radio is a whole 'nuther playing field. And > what harried listeners begrudgingly put up with on terrestrial radio; overly chatty D.J.'s, a > seemingly endless stream of commercials, the same 100 songs played over and over and > meaningless promotional giveaways, they don't have to put up with on internet radio. This is exactly the same station model that was in use back in the Golden Age of Top-40 AM, and even when FM rose to prominance. The difference, however, is less obvious, but enough to drive listeners away. The overly chatty DJs were local. The commercials weren't redundant, but they were MOSTLY local- But just as ever-present. It was 300, with a LOCAL request line, and they would often test the waters with new music from a wide variety of sources. And the promotional giveaways were locally handled. Do you get a trend here? That's right! Local and fresh content, and a station that was responsive (and responsable) to local needs. > Now, if there's some reliable way to get internet radio into the car without an iPod, > terrestrial radio really will be dead and Clear Channel and the other media giants who have > heavily invested in radio stations will just about dry up (except for maybe their billboard > divisions). WiFi is doable, but in most places, it's not well-networked over larger areas. Some places are trying to change that. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From raydidio2004@yahoo.com Mon Mar 07 23:36:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydidio2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95319 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 07:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2005 07:35:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52102.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 07:35:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 23249 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Mar 2005 06:35:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=dvBLE8R7rVFlqj1kR8ojwyUWuagoSi+hyyEf6UefWqsJxCC97fxtbzVG2mRpJpg4HZkZX5cfm+Abw/8jTX/6ybBuahCIZB2sZjIcJ5361oLLcT9H8QK6ev+MRXZjWi8IVIgPmmQ7R/VexRS2qEYiKHPRFtGbudlHmwgGT7Oe7D0= ; Message-ID: <20050308063544.23247.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.131.33.238] by web52102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:35:44 PST Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:35:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Michael Subject: Re: {AMSF} GE SuperRadio 3 - 30 percent off X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170665822 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydidio2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They are cheaper than this regularly on Amazon.com and Etronics.com. Overstock is a lot of hype sometimes. Michael W6YN Don Milbury wrote: GE 7-2887 Super Radio 3 is on sale with fee shipping: http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PROFRAME&PROD_ID=750008 Don. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. "Some people are weatherwise, Most are otherwise" -- Benjamin Franklin --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Mar 08 00:25:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60653 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 08:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2005 08:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 08:25:17 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050308082406.MYDT22013.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 03:24:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050308063544.23247.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050308063544.23247.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <4628ff4060b158ac27c47840cdc0eaf6@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 00:24:04 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} GE SuperRadio 3 - 30 percent off X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner That's right. $39.99 at Amazon, available wih free shipping as well. I don't think I've EVER seen a good price through Overstocks.com. On Mar 7, 2005, at 10:35 PM, Michael wrote: > They are cheaper than this regularly on Amazon.com and Etronics.com.=A0=20 > Overstock is a lot of hype sometimes.=A0 Michael > > W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > GE 7-2887 Super Radio 3 is on sale with fee shipping: > > http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=3DPROFRAME&PROD_ID=3D750008 > > Don. > From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Mar 08 00:31:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90262 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 08:31:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2005 08:31:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 08:31:35 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.75]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 03:33:04 -0500 Message-ID: <002b01c523b9$66cd9c40$4bb50642@4bmx301> To: References: <20050308063544.23247.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> <4628ff4060b158ac27c47840cdc0eaf6@cox.net> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 03:32:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} GE SuperRadio 3 - 30 percent off X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Overstock is also a dumping ground for "B" goods- Onkyo and Harman off stuff through them, and I see it come in all the time- some with problems they had in the beginning still evident. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Wagoner To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 3:24 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} GE SuperRadio 3 - 30 percent off That's right. $39.99 at Amazon, available wih free shipping as well. I don't think I've EVER seen a good price through Overstocks.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditpro@cox.net Tue Mar 08 04:19:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32670 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 12:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2005 12:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao02.cox.net) (68.230.240.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 12:19:33 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.0.17.189]) by lakermmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050308121832.JMIV6521.lakermmtao02.cox.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:18:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c523d8$efdf8b00$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:18:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Re: read and weep X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found this to be a very interesting read, indeed! The stuff radio people have been saying in private circles for years is showing up in the mainstream press now. This is only one of several such commentaries that I've heard about in the last couple of months or so. The big boys, CC, Infinity and the like, are telling there stock holders that they are going to be selling off some underperforming properties this year. It might be just the very beginning of a massive reorganization of radio ownership. This could snowball into a selling frenzy and leave radio in the hands of more local and regional companies which would be good for everyone. Radio is not dieing as some are saying but, rather, changing into something else entirely. Exactly what that 'something else' will be is anybody's guess at this point. Well see.... JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Mar 08 06:22:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86153 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 14:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2005 14:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 14:22:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 14:16:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 14:16:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:15:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 786 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Douglas" Subject: Re: KAAM 770 Dallas TX -- CQUAM stereo anymore? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee KAAM still activates the stereo light on my radio, but I haven't heard separation in quite some time. Plus I hear that KRLD 1080 went IBOC last Wednesday (KRLD has always been mono, of course). There's nothing on the KRLD Web site about it--or nothing I've found-- but the fidelity DOES sound like 5 kHz. I'll be fishing around for confirmation today... I live less than a mile from KRLD's transmitter site, so I'll be tuning around listening for that "hash." I haven't heard it before. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pabigelow" wrote: > > Hello, > > Is KAAM 770 Dallas CQUAM stereo anymore? I don't seem to be getting > any separation. WBAP 820 does still have separaion with commercials > and musical bridges, despite being talk-radio. > > Paul From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Tue Mar 08 08:14:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65887 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 16:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2005 16:13:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 16:13:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 16:07:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 16:07:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 16:06:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 127 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Subject: Re: read and weep X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 "Overly chatty D.J.'s"?? I suppose you mean "overly chatty voice- tracking. I'd give anything to hear real air talent again. From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Mar 08 09:58:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44149 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 17:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2005 17:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 17:58:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 17:50:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 17:50:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:50:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 89 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Anthony" Subject: test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Is this thing on?? Have sent two posts, and not seen any of them show up. --tony/miami From starship_2001@msn.com Tue Mar 08 10:05:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58167 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 18:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2005 18:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.78) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 18:05:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:58:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.209 by BAY106-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:57:59 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:57:54 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <9406-422DE7A2-1324@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com's message of Tue, 08 Mar 2005 16:06:48 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2005 17:58:00.0492 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DF9D6C0:01C52408] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: starship_2001@msn.com (Norbert 26) From: starship_2001@msn.com Subject: Breaking News X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Just got this in from Radio World: BEGIN COPY----------------------------- Multi-Channel to Get FCC Boost Radio World hears the FCC will release an item on multi-channel digital broadcasting today. While the item is said to essentially reiterate that stations may apply for experimental authorization to split their digital signals, as some public stations do now, the commission is also expected to encourage stations that chose to test the concept to send their results to the agency. The commission is not expected to go into great detail about the topic, preferring to speak in broad brush strokes today and leaving many particulars to include in its further Report and Order on IBOC later this year, broadcast sources said. We have clarified that both public and commercial stations would be able to apply for multi-channel experimental authorization. The action would been seen as a signal the commission would not block broadcasters from splitting their digital signals, a carrot that NPR most especially could use with receiver makers and other HD Radio data gear and software vendors, said sources close to the issue. --- END COPY---------------------------------- From starship_2001@msn.com Tue Mar 08 10:16:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10923 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 18:16:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2005 18:16:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 18:16:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:08:15 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.209 by BAY106-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:08:14 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:08:14 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <9403-422DEA0E-2395@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Anthony" 's message of Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:50:27 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2005 18:08:15.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC619520:01C52409] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-eGroups-From: starship_2001@msn.com (Norbert 26) From: starship_2001@msn.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Yes I got it. From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Mar 08 11:58:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20095 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 19:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2005 19:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 19:58:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 15:46:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 15:46:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:45:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 586 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: SRF-A200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Douglas: What are the differences between the A200 and the A100?? I'm assuming they are cosmetic (if any)?? Post pictures if you can...I have an A10 (Australian A1), which I got on ebay.com.au....I had originally the misconceived notion that it was only C-QUAM, but it is multimode like its American counterpart. Only difference between the A10 and A1 is that the coloring (colouring??) in the A1 is aqua, and the A10 is lavender/purple, but the radio itself is white on both versions. Did you get it on the American eBay, or did you find it on the Australian eBay?? --tony From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Mar 08 12:12:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11885 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 20:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2005 20:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 20:12:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 16:03:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 16:03:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 16:03:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 77 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Anthony" Subject: test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Posted something, but did not see it go through... ..testing... Tony/Miami From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 08 15:28:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93027 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 23:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2005 23:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 23:28:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 23:23:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 23:23:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 23:23:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1383 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Full-digital IBOC on 1670 kHz now! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics At around 5:45 PM this evening I was tuning across the Expanded Band when I heard characteristic IBOC "hash" afflicting the signals of both 1660 WWRU and 1680 WTTM. At first I didn't know what was going on because while I heard plenty of "hash" and hiss on 1670 kHz, I didn't hear any analog signal that all the noise was corresponding to -- but then I realized that I was hearing full-digital (non-analog-compatible) AM IBOC! And as it turns out, this station is licensed as 1670 WD2XXM in Frederick, Maryland. This station was reported to be on the air as early as December 2002, although back then it was transmitting hybrid IBOC, which did provide listenable audio on an AM receiver. Now, they're transmitting full-digital IBOC, which is heard as nothing but LOTS of noise on your radio -- and since it's digital noise at 100% (or maybe even 125%?) modulation, it is very, very **LOUD** noise -- I measured the on-channel noise of 1670 WD2XXM to be approximately 6 dB louder (in peak level) than the audio of neighboring analog AM stations -- even compared to AM stations with equally strong signals. In order for an analog AM station to match that kind of loudness, they would have to run 250% modulation! I got some recordings of WD2XXM's signal, as received in AM Stereo on my Sony SRF-42; audio samples of this will be uploaded soon for all to hear! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 08 17:11:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75605 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2005 01:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2005 01:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2005 01:11:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2005 01:02:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2005 01:02:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 01:02:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 497 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Kevin T." Subject: AM Stereo billboard X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics 1450 WTHU in Thurmont, Maryland broadcasts in AM Stereo and they're very proud of it -- not only do they ID as "Stereo 1450 AM" on the air (as reported here: http://patriot.net/~dlw/amradio.html ), but they also have a billboard saying "Classic Hits 1450-AM, In Stereo" in huge letters. WTHU is independently owned, too; the FCC database shows their licensed owner as Charles R. Walmer. You can see WTHU's billboard at the end of this page: http://community-2.webtv.net/AM-DXer/WXTR820/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 08 19:10:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62161 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2005 03:09:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2005 03:09:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2005 03:09:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2005 03:03:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2005 03:03:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 03:03:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 620 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: KAAM 770 Dallas TX -- CQUAM stereo anymore? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I live less than a mile from KRLD's transmitter site, so I'll be > tuning around listening for that "hash." I haven't heard it > before. If you're that close to KRLD's transmitter, believe me, if they were transmitting IBOC, it would *NOT* be something that you could easily overlook! It would be like hearing the worst interference you could possibly imagine, surrounding KRLD's signal on the dial like a fortress of noise. Anyway, here are two lists of AM IBOC stations that I have found, and neither lists KRLD: http://topazdesigns.com/iboc/station-list.html http://www.geocities.com/amlogbook/iboc.htm From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Mar 08 19:49:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85947 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2005 03:49:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2005 03:49:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2005 03:49:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2005 03:46:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2005 03:46:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 03:46:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 191 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Douglas" Subject: Re: KAAM 770 Dallas TX -- correction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee It turns out that the person I talked to about KRLD going IBOC was mistaken. KRLD hasn't gone IBOC. As far as I know, 97.9 FM, a Hip Hop station, remains the only IBOC station in Dallas. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Mar 08 20:11:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31792 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2005 04:11:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2005 04:11:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2005 04:11:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2005 04:09:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2005 04:09:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 04:09:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 650 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Douglas" Subject: Re: SRF-A200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Hi there, Tony... I don't have an A100 to compare it to, but, based on the pictures I've seen, there are two differences. The A200 uses blue & black ink for its lettering instead of red and black. For instance, "FM-AM STEREO" is written in blue on my A200. And the A200 has no toggle for the four AM Stereo standards which were fighting it out in the U.S. Fortunately for someone like me who bought this radio for use in the U.S., the standard for Australia back then was C-Quam compatible. Others on this board know more about this history than I do. But those are the two differences. Otherwise the A100 and A200 are the same radio. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 08 21:11:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43089 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2005 05:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2005 05:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2005 05:11:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2005 05:10:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2005 05:10:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 05:09:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 407 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: IBOC in Dallas -- correction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It turns out that the person I talked to about KRLD going IBOC was > mistaken. KRLD hasn't gone IBOC. As far as I know, 97.9 FM, a > Hip Hop station, remains the only IBOC station in Dallas. Make that 94.5 FM -- or so claims the list on iBiquity's web site, which still contains numerous inaccuracies, despite the recently added disclaimer which says "This information is as accurate as possible". From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Tue Mar 08 22:34:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5097 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2005 06:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2005 06:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2005 06:34:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2005 02:31:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2005 02:31:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 02:31:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1437 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: read and weep X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, tom_richard1980@y... wrote: > > "Overly chatty D.J.'s"?? I suppose you mean "overly chatty voice- > tracking. I'd give anything to hear real air talent again. Yeah, that too. And it's not the technology of terrestrial radio I object to but the misuse and overregulation of it, which is what the writer of that article was also objecting to. Because there's so much money at stake with a terrestrial radio station, programmers are compelled to shoehorn the station's programming into 6 or 7 tried and true (and boring) formats. Internet radio, on the other hand, can be very liberating. It can be local, it can be narrowcasted and special interest; such as an all geek talk channel or (heaven forbid) an all polka channel. It can be community in ways that go beyond just geography ( like a community of bird lovers, or gays, or Lithuaniuns or gay Lithuaniun bird lovers). Of course, internet radio is not without its own demons; particularly the RIAA and music licensors. What I'd like to see is for media giants like Clear Channel to partially collapse in on themselves thereby freeing up radio stations for local use. The only force that can do that, as far as I know, is competition (along with much tighter ownership caps which will probably never happen). But no, I'm not writing an obituary for terrestrial radio yet, just the media giants who control most of it. db From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Mar 09 04:29:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49692 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2005 12:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2005 12:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2005 12:29:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2005 12:27:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2005 12:27:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 12:26:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 247 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.75.227.85 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: SRF-A200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > And the A200 has no toggle for the four AM Stereo standards Weird!! My A10 (which is the Australian A1), does have a toggle for the 4 standards)...And I got it from the original owner in Australia. I'll have to post a picture of it. --tony From badeditpro@cox.net Wed Mar 09 05:19:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24638 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2005 13:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2005 13:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.240.29) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2005 13:19:47 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.0.17.189]) by lakermmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050309131206.DIRE29924.lakermmtao10.cox.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:12:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c524a9$95da45b0$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:12:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: CBS Audimax/Volumax In The Digital World? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you've been around for a while, you will no doubt remember the CBS Labs audio processors that used to be damn near ubiquitous in the days before the Optimod. Well, I'm working on my home studio and looking for a reliable AGC to put in line and I thought I'd look into finding a CBS Audimax 4440 or 4450. They used to be dirt cheap. Not anymore! My web searching has produced numerous results from recording studio web pages that list CBS Labs stuff on their gear lists.. Most have at least one early tube Audimax along with an early Volumax and a later version solid state stereo unit or two. I'm curious to know exactly how they are using these units and why they are so 'en vogue' If anyone here has a connection to someone in the recording business I would appreciate it very much if you could put me in touch with them. This has really got me curious. Hell, I remember about 15 years ago when people were throwing these things in the trash and now I can't find one for less than $1500! I guess everything old is new again if you wait long enough. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoexp@yahoo.com Wed Mar 09 06:56:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoexp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9217 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2005 14:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2005 14:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54606.mail.yahoo.com) (68.142.225.190) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2005 14:56:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 66207 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Mar 2005 14:56:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=kL5bf9XWyM7lPLZPprYBDK2y6Pf2Ka0+xPqve8E5l1ZegPgirtsy6Z3W+k9KugQPff5c846YLWEVMUmw93+ItxZts8F2kc/nocjt8q3W7Jk13+6bDrvbEn/6Gt5BReI1YNzh/LGVH0IPgv3fJds/8ZOAKM1T6O8Dyt4C0u921Rc= ; Message-ID: <20050309145609.66205.qmail@web54606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.99.17.1] by web54606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 06:56:09 PST Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 06:56:09 -0800 (PST) To: broadcast@radiolists.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.225.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8 From: Kevin Tekel Subject: Audio sample of WD2XXM full-digital IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78550888 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoexp An audio sample of 1670 WD2XXM's full-digital IBOC signal, as heard on an analog receiver, is now available here: http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/upload-here-please/hash.wav It was recorded on a Sony SRF-42 Walkman in AMAX Stereo mode. I also briefly switched it into mono mode during the recording. __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Mar 09 15:19:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78112 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2005 23:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2005 23:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2005 23:19:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2005 23:16:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2005 23:16:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 23:16:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050309145609.66205.qmail@web54606.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 324 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.199.101.110 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: Audio sample of WD2XXM full-digital IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 I read up on this on Radio World, and apparently there are 2 or 3 different ways to broadcast HD on AM. Think the one that most AM stations are running in Hybrid mode is M1. Sounds like 1670 is running M3. Apparently M3 is supposed to sound quite good. Maybe someone better versed on IBOC can elaborate... --tony s. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 09 16:25:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5627 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2005 00:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2005 00:24:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2005 00:24:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 00:24:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 00:24:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 00:24:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1640 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.72.138 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Audio sample of WD2XXM full-digital IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I read up on this on Radio World, and apparently there are 2 or 3 > different ways to broadcast HD on AM. Think the one that most AM > stations are running in Hybrid mode is M1. Sounds like 1670 is > running M3. Apparently M3 is supposed to sound quite good. Maybe > someone better versed on IBOC can elaborate... According to iBiquity's documentation, the AM IBOC Hybrid modes are MA1 and MA2. MA1 provides a maximum audio bitrate of 36 kbps; this is the mode which all hybrid (analog+digital) AM IBOC stations are currently using. MA2 mode offers a bitrate of 56 kbps by sacrificing the redundancy between the digital sidebands in order to squeeze through a higher data rate -- thus while it offers a higher bitrate and thus better-sounding audio, it requires a stronger, clearer signal in order to decode the digital stream, versus 36 kbps MA1 mode. Meanwhile, the full-digital AM IBOC modes are MA3 and MA4. MA3 offers a bitrate of 40 kbps. (This isn't much higher than the hybrid mode because full-digital AM IBOC is squeezed into a +/- 10 kHz bandwidth, versus hybrid mode's +/- 15 kHz signal.) MA4 offers a bitrate of 60 kbps, which is the highest that the AM IBOC system can currently accomodate on a full-digital signal. In addition, all of these modes (both hybrid and full-digital) provide 400 bps (0.4 kbps) for slow-speed data throughput. Those of us who remember using 300 bps modems know that this is really slow by today's standards, and wouldn't be much good for anything more than a simple scrolling station ID and song title/artist display (just like what RDS provides on analog FM). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 09 16:45:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35626 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2005 00:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2005 00:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2005 00:45:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 00:31:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 00:31:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 00:31:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c524a9$95da45b0$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 909 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.72.138 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: CBS Audimax/Volumax In The Digital World? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Hell, I remember about 15 years ago when people were throwing these > things in the trash and now I can't find one for less than $1500! > I guess everything old is new again if you wait long enough. On eBay, most Audimax and Volumax units seem to be selling in the $150 to $350 range. On the lower end of that price range, you get an "as-is" unit that has 30 years' worth of dust and scratches, and may or may not work. On the higher end of those prices, you get a clean unit that is guaranteed to work and may have even been refurbished and tested to meet the original factory specs. Used equipment dealers tend to advertise just about any radio-related equipment with inflated prices. I haven't seen an Audimax or Volumax with a $1500 price tag on it, but I have seen one dealer trying to sell one for $800. Needless to say, it has been advertised on their site for well over a year now. From badeditpro@cox.net Wed Mar 09 17:51:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32880 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2005 01:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2005 01:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2005 01:51:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 01:51:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 01:51:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:50:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 757 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: CBS Audimax/Volumax In The Digital World? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions > > Used equipment dealers tend to advertise just about any radio-related > equipment with inflated prices. I haven't seen an Audimax or Volumax > with a $1500 price tag on it, but I have seen one dealer trying to > sell one for $800. Needless to say, it has been advertised on their > site for well over a year now. Kev, The $1500 price tag was for rebuilt tupe type models... I can see some of that expense from the labor involved but that's still a lot for a 40 year old piece of gear.. I would only want to get a refurbished init for myself. I'm sure that the caps would have gone out of spec in any 30 year old unit you could find 'as is.' It may work but it would probably sound mighty funky! (Funky, not in a good way, either...) :) JC From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 09 18:11:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83138 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2005 02:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2005 02:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2005 02:11:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 02:11:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 02:11:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:11:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1112 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.72.138 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: CBS Audimax/Volumax In The Digital World? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'm sure that the caps would have gone out of spec in any 30 year > old unit you could find 'as is.' It may work but it would probably > sound mighty funky! (Funky, not in a good way, either...) Some years ago, I picked up a Hallicrafters S-38C receiver which worked perfectly despite still having all of its original capacitors, which were at least 45 years old at that time. Nonetheless, I did replace all of its electrolytic and most of its paper capacitors, but it still has some of its original paper caps in the harder-to-reach locations. About once a month I fire it up and have some fun tuning around the shortwave bands; to me, shortwave just isn't the same unless the radio you're using glows in the dark and produces that distinctive "toasted bakelite" smell when in use. :-) Oh, and I also have an Arvin AM table radio which has all of its original components, including tubes and capacitors, and it still works fine, except for sporadic "hissy fits" which can usually be stopped by giving it a good slap! By the styling and circuit design, I'm guessing it's from the late '50s. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Mar 09 18:42:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91393 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2005 02:42:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2005 02:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.76) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2005 02:42:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 18:42:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.94.107.208 by BAY101-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:42:06 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <000601c524a9$95da45b0$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:42:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2005 02:42:06.0555 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFB402B0:01C5251A] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CBS Audimax/Volumax In The Digital World? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Joe Collins wrote: >I'm working on my home studio and looking for a reliable AGC to put in line and I thought I'd look into finding a CBS Audimax 4440 or 4450. Instead of paying over-inflated prices for 40 year old CBS stuff, why not get a new CRL Studio Amigo-M AGC and a PMC-450 limiter? Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From cuddlyguy1970@yahoo.ca Thu Mar 10 00:53:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cuddlyguy1970@yahoo.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10283 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2005 08:53:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2005 08:53:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2005 08:53:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 08:52:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 08:52:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:52:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3236 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.150.122.55 From: "Jody" Subject: Lone Canadian Supporter of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215081053 X-Yahoo-Profile: cuddlyguy1970 Well, I'm a new member, thanx for having me! I told my favourite radio board today, where it's at with AM Stereo (***By the way, I live in Hamilton. The Toronto-Hamilton-Buffalo market is one of the most competitive radio martkets in the planet, yet we have nil AM Stereo signals. Very, very sad. ***) And remember in Canada, the CRTC (akin to the FCC) forces oldies formats, and gold based country formats to AM, so there is still lots of music content on that band. So stereo would be VERY worthwhile, even more so than the US. Here what I wrote in response to: Re: AM Stereo Posted by The Son on March 10, 2005, 12:10 am, in reply to "Re: AM Stereo" Gary Dunford (a Toronto Sun writer *** I added that ***) said it best way back in the day... Stereo AM would be like inventing Black and White TV AFTER everyone had colour. lol ARRRGGGGHHHHHH: Aggravated, I replied: Posted by Jody Thornton on March 10, 2005, 3:33 am, in reply to "Re: AM Stereo" Uh...excuse me! (LOL!) First off, wideband AM (whether stereo or mono) can almost equal the frequency range of FM. Most wideband tuners, and mod monitors (for those working at AM stations can attest to, can be as good as 30 -12 KHz flat (+/- 3dB), which is excellent. Sound quality like that - if you've ever heard it; you would not believe you're listening to AM. The quality can be utmost outstanding. Add a stereo separation that beats FM. To compare Vinyl: Likely the worst at 30 dB (at 1 KHz) CD: 90 dB (Virtually no crosstalk) Cassette: 45-55 db (depending on head alignment) FM: 35-45 dB AM: 45-55 dB AM Stereo does have a wider "soundstage". The problem is, too many folks scoff at AM being the low-bandwidth crap that most of us are used to. Although it is mono, I have an AM Tuner from the 70s that must at least extend to 6 KHz. Young people would be surprised at how good AM can sound. Don't think of your 2002 Car Stereo/CD Changer, listen to its AM section, and make your judgement. You need to listen to good tuners, and really wonder why we passed up a great opportunity. It really is too bad that if you are an AM music station (after all, isn't the CRTC protecting some of those interests - ie. oldies pre- 1980), you should be broadcasting stereo, and wide-bandwidth, otherwise, how do you expect to survive? I just can't believe how negative some people are to yesterday's technology, without even getting intimate with it. I know there's a particular person on this board that's going to say - oh no, I know what Jody's going to say next - remember vinyl? Vinyl in most folks' eyes is obsolete. It is not not obsolete. Here's why. It may be well out of fashion, or not in "vogue", but really, if I can STILL prove still that vinyl can outperform CD, and therfore MP3 (since it's an inferior medium), how the heck can it be obsolete? I have records on my Revolver/Linn Basik combo that likely go up to 25 KHz flat (-1 dB), yet, a CD cuts off at 20 KHz, if it even makes it there. Not to mention, vinyl sounds much warmer. I shake my head. I feel sorry for you when last year I unwrap a British import of Coldplay - Rush of Blood to the Head. Hmmmmmm, I think it's time I stop babbling. Cheers, Jody Thornton From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 01:19:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49542 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2005 09:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2005 09:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2005 09:19:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 09:19:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 09:19:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:19:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1020 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.72.138 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} CBS Audimax/Volumax In The Digital World? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Instead of paying over-inflated prices for 40 year old CBS stuff, > why not get a new CRL Studio Amigo-M AGC and a PMC-450 limiter? It depends on what the equipment will be used for. If it's for a broadcast audio chain, then even a modest CRL setup like that will blow the doors off a Audimax/Volumax setup. But if it's for a recording studio, then the old CBS gear has a certain kind of "sound" which people are willing to spend some money to get. From what I've heard, on some of his albums, John Lennon used an Audimax on his vocals, for example. BTW, there's an Audimax 4450A on eBay right now -- but while the 4450A is originally a stereo unit, on this particular one, someone took out the right-channel circuitry, leaving it functional only as a mono unit. So while it may work perfectly well as a mono Audimax, it will probably sell for less than a true mono Audimax would, because it was "hacked". (Any kind of non-factory modification tends to reduce the resale value of audio equipment.) From Bossmsx@aol.com Thu Mar 10 04:37:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5359 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2005 12:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2005 12:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2005 12:37:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 12:36:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 12:36:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:36:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1218 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.75.227.85 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: Lone Canadian Supporter of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > (***By the way, I live in Hamilton. The Toronto-Hamilton-Buffalo > market is one of the most competitive radio martkets in the planet, > yet we have nil AM Stereo signals. Very, very sad. ***) Yeah.....Please tell your customs agents at Pearson airport to be a little (ok, make that ALOT) kinder to radio hobbyists....I went to your city last May, with my Aiwa CRDS-805, my Sony SRF-A10, and my DAT Recorders because I thought there was still AM Stereo there (actually I was able to get WLGZ in Rochester via DX)...I also bought myself a DAB Walkman from Perstel (Actually had it pre-ordered and it was the first thing I got when I got out of the airport), but they saw all my radios and asked me many more questions than I think I should have been asked. > And remember in Canada, the CRTC (akin to the FCC) forces oldies > formats, and gold based country formats to AM, so there is still lots > of music content on that band. So stereo would be VERY worthwhile, > even more so than the US. Yeah...I didn't understand why CHUM wasn't in Stereo...I made plenty of airchecks of the DAB stations, and CHUM appears on the DAB receiver as "Stereo", but the actual feed is Mono. --Tony Simon/Miami From badeditpro@cox.net Thu Mar 10 06:17:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35708 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2005 14:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2005 14:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2005 14:17:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 14:16:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 14:16:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:16:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1202 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: CBS Audimax/Volumax In The Digital World? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions > Instead of paying over-inflated prices for 40 year old CBS stuff, why not > get a new CRL Studio Amigo-M AGC and a PMC-450 limiter? >=20 > Kevin in Tampa Hey, Thanks for the tip on the CRL box=85 I'll check it out. I have always been a closet fan of CRL's AGC's. Now, there limiter/clippers are a different story. They tend to shred the high end a bit. I am mainly looking for a slightly retro sound from the CBS stuff. I want something with tight peak control but I don't want it to `color' the audio too much. CBS Audimaxes that are operating with factory specs for attack/release times are very smooth=85 It's just a very clean, familiar sound to me. You'd think it would be easy to find a low cost AGC with decent sound in this age of DSP but most of the low end stuff is not sophisticated enough to handle mixed program material. On the other end of the spectrum are the higher priced boxes that do way to much like the Aphex Compellor and Orban 8200/ST.=20=20 I wish someone would build an AGC that had the same characteristics as the CBS gear in a modern package. Gee, you could put an Audimax and a Volumax in a single rack space unit with modern electronics=85 How cool would that be? From Bossmsx@aol.com Thu Mar 10 07:23:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50483 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2005 15:23:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2005 15:23:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2005 15:23:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 15:20:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 15:20:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:20:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 183 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.75.227.85 From: "Anthony" Subject: Powerside stations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Does anyone know of any other *music* AM stations in the US (besides WWRL) that are running Powerside?? Wish there was a list, but no one keeps one. Any out in So Cal?? -tony s. From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Mar 10 10:35:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49359 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2005 18:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2005 18:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2005 18:35:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 18:35:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 18:35:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:35:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 515 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.94.94.106 From: "Bruce Carter" Subject: The decline of KMKI ---- X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter The process continues - today it sounds like they have limited bandwidth. IBOC hash is next ---- probably any day. You would think that those idiots at Disney would wait until broad acceptance of IBOC before converting a kids network. I mean - little kids are not going to drive purchasing decisions for IBOC radios. What was one of the best sounding stations in the country has gone over to the "dark side". I just hope they are storing their C-quam equipment somewhere, for when IBOC bites the dust. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 15:37:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21552 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2005 23:37:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2005 23:37:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2005 23:37:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 23:37:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 23:37:48 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61906 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2005 19:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2005 19:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2005 19:22:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 19:21:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 19:21:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:21:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 964 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.245.78 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: The decline of KMKI ---- X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Mar 2005 23:37:48 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > You would think that those idiots at Disney would wait until broad > acceptance of IBOC before converting a kids network. I mean - > little kids are not going to drive purchasing decisions for IBOC > radios. This is going to be a surprise, but it's not the kids they're aiming for- It's the so-called "soccer moms"- The ones with the minivans and SUVs which have (presently) AM stereo, and in the future (it is to be expected, anyway) IBOC. Under these conditions, there's the desire to produce kid-friendly radio. This is ALSO the same reason why Radio Disney is on both XM and Sirius satellite radio systems-- For the family van/SUV. Remember, there's not one boombox or affordable home stereo system sold in North America with AM stereo that any kid will have, and most of the listening these days is in the car, so.... Radio Disney is well-targeted. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 15:38:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70928 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2005 23:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2005 23:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2005 23:38:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 23:38:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 23:38:12 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85509 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2005 20:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2005 20:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2005 20:19:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 20:19:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 20:19:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:18:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 918 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.105.108.90 From: "pianoplayer88key" Subject: Re: The decline of KMKI ---- X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Mar 2005 23:38:12 -0000 I hope it might console you to know that KDIS in Pasadena / Los Angeles, CA, is STILL running full bandwidth C-Quam STEREO as of 30 seconds ago (I just checked with my SRF-42 and Select-A-Tenna - signal was weak but I could hear the stereo and the 10kHz (but the latter was almost lost in the noise.)) :) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > The process continues - today it sounds like they have limited > bandwidth. IBOC hash is next ---- probably any day. > > You would think that those idiots at Disney would wait until broad > acceptance of IBOC before converting a kids network. I mean - > little kids are not going to drive purchasing decisions for IBOC > radios. > > What was one of the best sounding stations in the country has gone > over to the "dark side". I just hope they are storing their C-quam > equipment somewhere, for when IBOC bites the dust. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 16:46:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79695 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2005 00:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2005 00:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2005 00:46:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2005 00:46:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2005 00:46:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:46:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1827 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.72.138 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: CBS Audimax/Volumax In The Digital World? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Thanks for the tip on the CRL box... I'll check it out. I have > always been a closet fan of CRL's AGC's. Now, their > limiter/clippers are a different story. They tend to shred the > high end a bit. On their AM processors, that problem can be solved with a very simple modification: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/message/19389 You can also substitute a dual-gang potentiometer in place of the two fixed resistors; that would provide you with a variable control to fine-tune the clipping threshold. > I am mainly looking for a slightly retro sound from the CBS stuff. > I want something with tight peak control but I don't want it to > 'color' the audio too much. CBS Audimaxes that are operating with > factory specs for attack/release times are very smooth... It's > just a very clean, familiar sound to me. One of the Audimax's best features was the "gated gain window" (as indicated by the "green zone" on its meter), in which no audio processing is performed if the audio level is within this range, and that's what helps to provide its smooth, consistent results. Even the makers of today's high-tech digital audio processors have kind words to say about this feature of the Audimax. > I wish someone would build an AGC that had the same characteristics > as the CBS gear in a modern package. Gee, you could put an Audimax > and Volumax in a single rack space unit with modern electronics... > How cool would that be? Actually, Bob Orban got that same idea into his head about 25 years ago, and the result was the original Optimod-FM 8000. Today, several companies offer "entry-level" audio processors which still follow the same basic design as the original Optimod, such as the CRL Amigo FM, various units from Inovonics and Hnat-Hindes, and Orban's own digital Optimod 2300. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 11 03:15:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49989 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2005 11:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2005 11:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2005 11:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.126.221.55 with login) by smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2005 11:15:55 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c5262b$e393f160$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 03:17:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.170.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: Subject: rumor has it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang Rumor has it that The Big 610 KFRC is going to be sold. I guess there new calls will be The Big 610 KSUCK!!!! Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditpro@cox.net Fri Mar 11 07:21:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10730 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2005 15:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2005 15:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2005 15:21:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2005 15:21:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2005 15:21:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:21:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1417 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: CBS Audimax/Volumax In The Digital World? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: >=20 > On their AM processors, that problem can be solved with a very simple=20 > modification: >=20 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/message/19389 >=20 > You can also substitute a dual-gang potentiometer in place of the two=20 > fixed resistors; that would provide you with a variable control to=20 > fine-tune the clipping threshold. >=20 Kev, Wow, I could have really used that modification about 7 years ago! I had a CRL limiter land in my lap and we tried it at the transmitter with out very good results. It splattered the high end so much I pulled it off the air and put the old Volumax back on the air.=20 Fortunately, I convinced the station's owners to get an Inovonics 235 three band processor and I put that at the transmitter. I had my choice of a CBS Audimax or a CRL APP-300 to use at the main studio.=20 They both sounded very good but I ended up keeping the CRL APP in line because it was in better shape than the Audimax. Our transmitter engineer rebuilt that old Audimax and we used it in the production room after that=85 I think it's still there! Yeah, Orban did integrate the whole chain in one box but I was talking about something that had exactly the same sound of the CBS stuff but would put out flat audio. They came out with modern versions of the UREI 1176 a few years ago and they sold like crazy=85=20 :) JC From kya1260@lycos.com Fri Mar 11 08:35:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32484 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2005 16:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2005 16:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2005 16:35:11 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 1D6D218001C6 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:35:11 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 11 Mar 2005 16:35:11 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E6CEC3384B; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:35:10 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:35:10 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:35:10 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050311163510.E6CEC3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} rumor has it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Talk is either one of these, after several months of negotiations between Infinity and Family Radio, the Religious group of stations: 1) Infinity has sold KFRC 610 KC to Family Radio in exchange for Family's 106.9 MC in the North Bay - and 60 million (M)=20 dollars cash... OR... 2) Infinity has sold KFRC 610 KC to Family Radio for 35 million (m) dollars... This deal will consummate in May... Either way, I can hear the howls of outrage to soon emanate... Talk about the devaluation, devestation and demise of AM as we remember it...obviously, Infinity cares less about 610 KC's legacy and kick-ass 5-kw signal... A sad day in Mudville... Which reminds me, since the Oakland A's are slated to broadcast on 610 KC per contract... I don't even wanna think about it.... --Jay --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From brucec@mindspring.com Fri Mar 11 08:52:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40956 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2005 16:52:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2005 16:52:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2005 16:52:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2005 16:52:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2005 16:52:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:52:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2388 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.91.75.30 From: "Bruce Carter" Subject: IBOC - first hand experience - why it CANNOT work!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I finally heard IBOC hiss for the very first time today. And I can tell you what I heard has convinced me that at the very least - nighttime IBOC is unworkable. Here are the details: There is a time after sunrise when the nighttime atmospherics still operate for a few hundred miles. At 7 AM, I was listening to WOAI, 1200 San Antonio, from Plano, TX - a distance of about 300 miles. WOAI is a 50 kW blowtorch, owned by Clear Channel, in Clear Channel's headquarter city. So they will haven every measure possible to make it an IBOC showcase station - good antenna phase, good digital signal, etc. If there were a ever a station that was going to be IBOC done right, WOAI would be it. The sidebands, of course, completely obliterated a 1210 from Guymon, OK. That would not be a problem for normal listeners, because it is not a local station in Plano. What is a problem and a BIG one for IBOC, is that the sidebands were very noticable on local Dallas station KFXR - a 50 kW station operating on 1190 kHz! KFXR was already on its daytime pattern, so signal strength in Plano is very good. Now - extend this situation to the nighttime hours. KFXR's 12 tower nighttime pattern is legendary for its poor coverage of the newer suburbs of the DFW area. It operates at 5 kW, but most of the power goes West. Now, add a 10 dB drop in output power, plus the nighttime sidebands of WOAI - and you will have a totally unlistenable signal throughout most of Dallas: ON A LOCAL STATION!!! This will prove absolutely intolerable to the owners of KFXR - and I bet they will sue. As it is right now - the period after sunrise is a time when WOAI is putting noise all over them - unpleasant noise that will lose them listeners! IBOC nighttime is a train wreck that should never happen. Multiply this one scenario local scenario by hundreds or thousands of scenarios around the country, and you can see that in order for local stations to survive, now they will have to deal with IBOC interference from blowtorches on adjacent frequencies - perhaps as much as 1000 miles or more distant! Of course - on the day that I discover this - Radio-info.com is down. Somebody forward this to their boards when it comes up, I'm pretty busy. And somebody mail this to Radio World under your own name. I am under constraints not to publicize IBOC weaknesses. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 16:21:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78458 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 00:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 00:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 00:21:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 00:21:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 00:21:21 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58760 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2005 16:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2005 16:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2005 16:14:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2005 16:14:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2005 16:14:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:13:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050309145609.66205.qmail@web54606.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 977 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.245.78 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Audio sample of WD2XXM full-digital IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Mar 2005 00:21:10 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Tekel wrote: > An audio sample of 1670 WD2XXM's full-digital IBOC signal, as heard on an > analog receiver, is now available here: > > http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/upload-here- please/hash.wav > > It was recorded on a Sony SRF-42 Walkman in AMAX Stereo mode. I also > briefly switched it into mono mode during the recording. Ah, the server is back up, so I can finally hear this 7MB WAV file. I'm unsure if this still has a primary carrier (ie: like conventional AM), but it doesn't sound like it. That being said, I doubt it's at the full 125% sideband modulation allowed (and that being said, both sidebands account for one third a conventional AM's total output power), but it DOES demonstrate the signal efficiency of digital, compared to AM and FM. Because of other circumstances, though, don't expect full digital IBOC to become widespread anytime soon. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 16:21:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93359 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 00:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 00:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 00:21:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 00:21:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 00:21:22 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49793 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2005 18:01:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2005 18:01:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2005 18:01:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2005 18:01:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2005 18:01:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:00:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 277 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.245.78 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: IBOC - first hand experience - why it CANNOT work!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Mar 2005 00:21:19 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: =snip= It's more accurate to say IBOC can't work under the conditions given in the mediumwave broadcast band- Even if every station went IBOC, which increasingly looks less likely. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 16:21:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40508 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 00:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 00:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 00:21:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 00:21:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 00:21:42 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18810 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2005 18:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2005 18:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2005 18:46:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2005 18:46:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2005 18:46:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:46:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050311163510.E6CEC3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1671 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.105.108.90 From: "pianoplayer88key" Subject: Re: rumor has it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Mar 2005 00:21:39 -0000 If FR starts broadcasting its programming on 610, that will be the first skywave-only DX I will be able to get of a Family Radio station from El Cajon, CA. (I can get KFRN 1280 Long Beach on groundwave.) If so, I DO hope they turn the C-Quam exciter back on. I remember KFRN used to be stereo but I haven't heard it there recently. When it WAS stereo and I had a working SRF-42 (there was an in-between time where I didn't have a functional AMS radio) I would listen to KFRN through the very weak signal and adjacent channel interference even though I had a local that came in loud and clear. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > Talk is either one of these, after several months of > negotiations between Infinity and Family Radio, the Religious > group of stations: > 1) Infinity has sold KFRC 610 KC to Family Radio in exchange > for Family's 106.9 MC in the North Bay - and 60 million (M) > dollars cash... > OR... > 2) Infinity has sold KFRC 610 KC to Family Radio for > 35 million (m) dollars... > > This deal will consummate in May... > > Either way, I can hear the howls of outrage to soon emanate... > > Talk about the devaluation, devestation and demise of > AM as we remember it...obviously, Infinity cares less about > 610 KC's legacy and kick-ass 5-kw signal... > > A sad day in Mudville... > > Which reminds me, since the Oakland A's are slated to broadcast > on 610 KC per contract... > > I don't even wanna think about it.... > --Jay > -- > _______________________________________________ > NEW! 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The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. > http://datingsearch.lycos.com From kya1260@lycos.com Fri Mar 11 16:52:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6115 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 00:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 00:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 00:52:18 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id D67C11800136 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:52:18 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 12 Mar 2005 00:52:18 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C64BCC610F; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:52:18 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [69.108.217.2] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:52:18 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:52:18 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050312005218.C64BCC610F@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: rumor has it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ On 3/11/05, pianoplayer88key > If FRC starts broadcasting its programming on 610, that will be the > first skywave-only DX I will be able to get of a Family Radio station > from El Cajon, CA. (I can get KFRN 1280 Long Beach on groundwave.) > If so, I DO hope they turn the C-Quam exciter back on. > I remember KFRN used to be stereo but I haven't heard it there > recently. When it WAS stereo and I had a working SRF-42 (there was an > in-between time where I didn't have a functional AMS radio) I would > listen to KFRN through the very weak signal and adjacent channel > interference even though I had a local that came in loud and clear. 610 has not been in Stereo since the mid-1990s, and I'm with you, P.P.-88, that it WOULD be awesome to see KFRC (or whatever the new calls will be,=20 since Infinity still owns KFRC 99.7 MC) back in C-Quam. 610's of a handful of stations that sounded awesome on BOTH Kahn ISB (in 1986, even when KFRC= =20 became M.O.R. "Magic 61," Kahn's stereo was still on for a couple of years)= =20 and C-QUAM, when they brought back the oldies format in August 1993... I spoke with Phil Lerza in 1988, who has engineered KFRC since it became Top-40 in 1966 (and STILL does work at 610 - for now!). He was=20 astonished that someone even called to complain about the Kahn pilot=20 light being off. That someone was me, when he actually returned my call at home,=20 and we've spoken a few times since. Phil's a great guy, who took=20 great pride in the AM stereo when he did get to tinker with it...I haven't spoken with Phil for years, but was glad to hear he=20 was still at KFRC after all these years... Got to hear 1280 in SoCal when it was in Stereo years ago,=20 but it wasn't stereo when I was there last in July 2001...just a=20 Spanish station doing music at the time (at 1300, is it KWKW?),=20 while whatever other stations lighting the light were talking or=20 doing news (except for Radio Disney, then at 710)... Or to emulate Dagwood Bumstead at his desk: --jay =20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > > Talk is either one of these, after several months of > > negotiations between Infinity and Family Radio, the Religious > > group of stations: > > 1) Infinity has sold KFRC 610 KC to Family Radio in exchange > > for Family's 106.9 MC in the North Bay - and 60 million (M) dollars cas= h... > > OR... > > 2) Infinity has sold KFRC 610 KC to Family Radio for > > 35 million (m) dollars... > > > > This deal will consummate in May... > > > > Either way, I can hear the howls of outrage to soon emanate... > > > > Talk about the devaluation, devestation and demise of > > AM as we remember it...obviously, Infinity cares less about > > 610 KC's legacy and kick-ass 5-kw signal... > > > > A sad day in Mudville... > > > > Which reminds me, since the Oakland A's are slated to broadcast > > on 610 KC per contract... > > > > I don't even wanna think about it.... > > --Jay --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! 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Just what the World needs...Another "Bible Banger" radio station on the air. If WYFR is any indication, Family Radio does care about sound quality and the technical quality of their plants. Perhaps a friendly letter or two would get them to turn the C-QUAM back on and keep the KFRC call letters? > > Talk about the devaluation, devestation and demise of AM as we remember it... What is so new about that? Remember WLS, WCFL, WCYB, WABC, WOWO, WOGL, WAPE, WGTO, WQOK, WLAC, CKLW, XEROK...Yea, I heard it on the "X". Those "Border Blasters" were FUN to listen to. Now it is just the same old syndicated talk and a few rantng preachers on all of the AM channels at night. Here in Florida, the AM band is ruined by all of the stations from South of the border. How sad. That is why I have an iPod. I just never did like the sound of FM. I love that big boomy sound of Plate Modulation. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 11 18:27:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95070 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 02:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 02:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 02:27:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 02:27:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 02:27:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:27:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 410 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.216.117.207 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: OT: FM SCA Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215058239 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Hello, Can you find what the factory neglected to install in this new AM/FM/SCA/SCMO radio? Check the wrapped around link below: http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/upload-here- please/SCA_SCMO.jpg From the appearance, it looks this dandy comes out of the same factory as those $5 Wal-Mart radios. How about those "Super Chief" I.F. cans and Jackcon capacitors? 73, Jeff Deck From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 21:56:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25442 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 05:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 05:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 05:56:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 05:56:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 05:56:11 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73612 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 03:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 03:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 03:58:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 03:58:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 03:58:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:58:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1116 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.245.78 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: OT: FM SCA Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Mar 2005 05:55:55 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wrote: > > Hello, > > Can you find what the factory neglected to install in this new > AM/FM/SCA/SCMO radio? Check the wrapped around link below: > > http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/upload-here- > please/SCA_SCMO.jpg > > From the appearance, it looks this dandy comes out of the same > factory as those $5 Wal-Mart radios. How about those "Super Chief" > I.F. cans and Jackcon capacitors? I figured it was you who posted the pic. :) And yes, you're right of WHERE it's made- This radio was made in China, although the SCA board- The small board to the left- was installed separately. The design looks fairly generic and adaptable (typical of such designs, keeping costs down). I noticed the missing components, but I have no clue, either. I do think the SCA board is missing two components that would improve its performance-- An AM limiter and an IF amp. Both could be added cheaply. (For what it's worth, "SCMO" is the Canadian SCA, which is also known as "ACS" in Australia.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 21:56:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6964 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 05:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 05:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 05:56:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 05:56:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 05:56:11 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50129 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 03:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 03:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 03:33:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 03:33:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 03:33:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:33:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1488 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.105.108.90 From: "pianoplayer88key" Subject: Re: {AMSF} rumor has it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Mar 2005 05:55:29 -0000 If they do care about sound, I wonder what it'd take to get them to put C-Quam on the air at their 910 KECR in El Cajon? I get a solid signal on that station. What about KFRN possibly turning theirs back on, too? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Jay Arnold wrote: > > Either way, I can hear the howls of outrage to soon emanate... > > Just what the World needs...Another "Bible Banger" radio station on the air. > > > If WYFR is any indication, Family Radio does care about sound quality and > the technical quality of their plants. Perhaps a friendly letter or two > would get them to turn the C-QUAM back on and keep the KFRC call letters? > > > > Talk about the devaluation, devestation and demise of AM as we remember > it... > > What is so new about that? Remember WLS, WCFL, WCYB, WABC, WOWO, WOGL, WAPE, > WGTO, WQOK, WLAC, CKLW, XEROK...Yea, I heard it on the "X". Those "Border > Blasters" were FUN to listen to. > > Now it is just the same old syndicated talk and a few rantng preachers on > all of the AM channels at night. Here in Florida, the AM band is ruined by > all of the stations from South of the border. How sad. That is why I have an > iPod. I just never did like the sound of FM. I love that big boomy sound of > Plate Modulation. > > Kevin in Tampa > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 21:59:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58126 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 05:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 05:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 05:59:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 05:59:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 05:59:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 05:59:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 240 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.88.7 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: OT: FM SCA Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Can you find what the factory neglected to install in this new > AM/FM/SCA/SCMO radio? There's no wire from the FM antenna to the "ANT" terminal on the circuit board. And you were probably wondering why the reception was so bad! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Mar 11 23:14:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38180 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 07:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 07:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 07:14:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:41:57 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.204 by BAY101-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:31:39 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:11:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2005 23:41:57.0553 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9DCB210:01C52693] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CBS Audimax/Volumax In The Digital World? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 JC wrote: >I am mainly looking for a slightly retro sound from the CBS stuff. I want something with tight peak control but I don't want it to `color' the audio too much. You may also want to give a listen to the Gates Level Devil, DAP-310, BL-40, or one of Kahn's early processors. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Mar 11 23:49:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11123 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 07:49:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 07:49:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao12.cox.net) (68.230.241.27) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 07:49:37 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050312074923.ZPDK13819.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:49:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 23:49:26 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} rumor has it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner You can bet the FM would keep the calls. Or is it for sale also? On Mar 11, 2005, at 7:33 PM, pianoplayer88key wrote: > > > If they do care about sound, I wonder what it'd take to get them to > put C-Quam on the air at their 910 KECR in El Cajon?=A0 I get a solid > signal on that station.=A0 What about KFRN possibly turning theirs back > on, too? > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > wrote: > > Jay Arnold wrote: > > > Either way, I can hear the howls of outrage to soon emanate... > > > > Just what the World needs...Another "Bible Banger" radio station on > the air. > > > > > > If WYFR is any indication, Family Radio does care about sound > quality and > > the technical quality of their plants. Perhaps a friendly letter or=20 > two > > would get them to turn the C-QUAM back on and keep the KFRC call > letters? > > > > > > Talk about the devaluation, devestation and demise of AM as we > remember > > it... > > > > What is so new about that? Remember WLS, WCFL, WCYB, WABC, WOWO, > WOGL, WAPE, > > WGTO, WQOK, WLAC, CKLW, XEROK...Yea, I heard it on the "X". Those > "Border > > Blasters" were FUN to listen to. > > > > Now it is just the same old syndicated talk and a few rantng > preachers on > > all of the AM channels at night. Here in Florida, the AM band is > ruined by > > all of the stations from South of the border. How sad. That is why I > have an > > iPod. I just never did like the sound of FM. I love that big boomy > sound of > > Plate Modulation. > > > > Kevin in Tampa > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio.=A0 From a=20 > mathematical > > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard=20 > Kahn > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <22305_0205_016_b_300250_a.gif> > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 From kya1260@lycos.com Sat Mar 12 01:15:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29173 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 09:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 09:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 09:15:33 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id E3C7A18001D3 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:15:32 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 12 Mar 2005 09:15:32 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 68FC2CA06F; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:15:32 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [69.108.217.2] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:15:31 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:15:31 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050312091532.68FC2CA06F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:5:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} rumor has it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jay Arnold wrote: > > Talk about the devaluation, devestation and demise of AM as we > > remember it... to which Kevin says: > What is so new about that? Remember WLS, WCFL, WCYB, WABC, WOWO, WOGL, WAPE, > WGTO, WQOK, WLAC, CKLW, XEROK...Yea, I heard it on the "X". Those "Border > Blasters" were FUN to listen to. You're right, Kevin...I shudda added the word "again" before that sentence > Now it is just the same old syndicated talk and a few rantng preachers on > all of the AM channels at night. Here in Florida, the AM band is ruined by > all of the stations from South of the border. How sad. That is why I have an > iPod. I just never did like the sound of FM. I love that big boomy sound of > Plate Modulation. > Kevin in Tampa Not much on AM at night on the Northern California Coast, either... Ironically, just as the news of KFRC 610 hit one of websites, I was high-bidder on eBay for this item (pic attached) that brings back memories from my youth - a transistor radio with the KYA 1260 logo embossed on it ... --jay -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kya1260@lycos.com Sat Mar 12 01:19:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26577 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 09:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 09:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 09:19:32 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 153A718001A4 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:19:30 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 12 Mar 2005 09:19:30 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0C640CA06F; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:19:30 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [69.108.217.2] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:19:29 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:19:29 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050312091930.0C640CA06F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} rumor has it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ From: "Richard Wagoner" > You can bet the FM would keep the calls.=20 > Or is it for sale also? Far as anyone knows, KFRC-FM isn't for sale... --jay --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From badeditpro@cox.net Sat Mar 12 06:20:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93434 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 14:20:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 14:20:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 14:20:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 14:20:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 14:20:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:20:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 648 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: CBS Audimax/Volumax In The Digital World? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 > You may also want to give a listen to the Gates Level Devil, DAP-310, BL-40, > or one of Kahn's early processors. Hey, I might not be resurrecting an old unit after all=85=20 All this searching the web for processors has turned up something new that might be very cool=85 I ran across a promising little box that just might be what I'm looking for in a modern package. It is a two band processor with a slow AGC function to provide very smooth control of a wide rage of input audio=85 Also, It's dirt cheap at under $200!=20=20 http://www.fullcompass.com/Products/pages/SKU--57967/ :) JC From badeditpro@cox.net Sat Mar 12 06:21:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8080 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 14:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 14:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.240.29) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 14:21:05 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.0.17.189]) by lakermmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050312142104.VJBY29924.lakermmtao10.cox.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:21:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c5270e$b976e750$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:21:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Cam-D Audio To Be Posted Soon. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Be looking for some Cam-D audio to be posted on the http://www.wrathofkahn.org/ web page. I sent along an e-mail suggesting that Mr. Kahn should provide some real world audio so everyone could hear how it sounds compared to iBiquity and he phones me up yesterday. He told me that they are working on getting some audio samples together that will be actual recordings of Cam-D stations playing a variety of program material as it sounds from a Cam-D ready receiver. He said he could simulate the sound very easily in the lab but he wanted the audio to be as authentic as possible. Be looking for the samples to pop up in the next couple of weeks or so. :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Sat Mar 12 07:26:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34062 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 15:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 15:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 15:26:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:26:23 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.209 by BAY106-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:26:22 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:26:22 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <11804-42330A1E-5079@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "JC" 's message of Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:20:43 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2005 15:26:23.0580 (UTC) FILETIME=[D97239C0:01C52717] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: starship_2001@msn.com (Norbert 26) From: starship_2001@msn.com Subject: AM FM SAT Radio Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 I stumbled across this. It is aimed at Sat radio subscribers but has many questions about AM FM programing and HD radio. It is being conducted by Elon University in NC. This is partly funded by the NAB. There are questions about HD radio AKA IBOC. Heres your chance to get your voice heard and voice your comments on IBOC / HD radio and AM FM programming . They were giving $10 for the first 200 visiters but theres been more then 200 visitors therefore no need to leave your addy. http://www.inetsurvey.com/Survey.cgi/cbook/Elon03 From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sat Mar 12 07:27:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64464 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 15:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 15:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 15:27:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 15:27:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 15:27:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:27:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050311163510.E6CEC3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 556 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.117.247 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} rumor has it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Hi Jay, The A's games will still be broadcast for now. What will Infinity do with 106.9 now? Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > Talk is either one of these, after several months of > negotiations between Infinity and Family Radio, the Religious > group of stations: > 1) Infinity has sold KFRC 610 KC to Family Radio in exchange > for Family's 106.9 MC in the North Bay - and 60 million (M) > dollars cash... > OR... > 2) Infinity has sold KFRC 610 KC to Family Radio for > 35 million (m) dollars... > From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sat Mar 12 07:32:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78631 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 15:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 15:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 15:32:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 15:32:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 15:32:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:31:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050312005218.C64BCC610F@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 78 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.117.247 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: rumor has it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 They won't change the calls: K F-amily R-adio C-orporation? Nah... Tom--- From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Mar 12 09:05:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61975 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 17:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 17:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.18.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 17:05:18 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:05:08 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.63 by by24fd.bay24.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:05:08 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <11804-42330A1E-5079@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:05:08 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2005 17:05:08.0869 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5319350:01C52725] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.18.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM FM SAT Radio Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Thanks for the link Norbert, the survey seems pretty thorough and there are some blocks to put in comments, as long as you limit your comments to around 50 word or less. (so I used a lot of abbreriations). Since I knew there wasn't anymore $10 available, I just placed comments in that box that I prefer satellite radio, not so much for the sound quality (they can save their money and forget IBOC) but because of the sub-horrible programming on commercial radio; especially on the weekends, when even in this top 20 Radio market (St Petersburg/Tampa) there's virtually nothing live and local on the weekends; just infomercials and tapes of the horrible weekend programming played over and over. On ClearChannels 1250 here (WSNZ), I've heard 5 minutes or more of dead air more than once on the weekends, when the national CBS news end and the board operator (who I'm sure is overworked and underpaid) forgets to click on their next informercial or "best of"(sic) program. If the NAB and FCC continue not to give a damn about the listeners, then they just might as well write and publish the obituary for commercial radio. Donn, an very satified XM satellite radio customer ----Original Message Follows---- From: starship_2001@msn.com Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} AM FM SAT Radio Survey Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:26:22 -0500 I stumbled across this. It is aimed at Sat radio subscribers but has many questions about AM FM programing and HD radio. It is being conducted by Elon University in NC. This is partly funded by the NAB. There are questions about HD radio AKA IBOC. Heres your chance to get your voice heard and voice your comments on IBOC / HD radio and AM FM programming . They were giving $10 for the first 200 visiters but theres been more then 200 visitors therefore no need to leave your addy. http://www.inetsurvey.com/Survey.cgi/cbook/Elon03 From kya1260@lycos.com Sat Mar 12 09:30:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35851 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 17:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 17:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 17:30:23 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id F090A18001A6 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:30:22 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 12 Mar 2005 17:30:22 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D407D86B0E; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:30:22 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [69.108.217.2] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:30:22 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:30:22 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050312173022.D407D86B0E@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} rumor has it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ tom_richard1980@yahoo.com says: > Hi Jay, > The A's games will still be broadcast for now. What will Infinity > do with 106.9 now? > --Tom If the acquisition of 106.9 MC by Infinity is true, your guess is as good as mine, T.R.... They have enough Bay Area FMs already with about as "mainstream" of=20 formatting as you can get in this narrowcasting world... Maybe it'd go CHR to compete with rivals Wild 94.9 or KMEL 106.1?... Or Kazoo music, maybe?... I'm guessing they'll simulcast 1550 KC, KYCY (the grand old KOBY of the 1950s), with its staple of Westwood One/Infinity talk stuff:=20 Imus, Don & Mike, et al. The 1550 KC signal - 10-kw day and night=20 with two VERY directional patterns - sucks with a capital S...=20 Some time back, while driving at night on Park Presidio (Highway 1)=20 in San Francisco, KYCY's city of license, the signal faltered badly=20 when I activated the "local" button on my Sony XR-A33 AM Stereo.=20 Egad... tom_richard1980@yahoo.com then says: > They won't change the calls: K F-amily R-adio C-orporation?=20=20 > Nah... > Tom--- LOL!! --jay ********************* > Earlier, jay wrote: > > Talk is either one of these, after several months of > > negotiations between Infinity and Family Radio, the Religious > > group of stations: > > 1) Infinity has sold KFRC 610 KC to Family Radio in exchange > > for Family's 106.9 MC in the North Bay - and 60 million (M) dollars cas= h... > > OR... > > 2) Infinity has sold KFRC 610 KC to Family Radio for > > 35 million (m) dollars... --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 12 12:58:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18558 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 20:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 20:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 20:58:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 20:58:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2005 20:58:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:58:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1238 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.216.117.207 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: OT: FM SCA Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215058239 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Kevin is correct that the wire from the FM antenna lug to the PC board was missing! Amy, you write: >I noticed the missing components, but I have no clue, either. I >do think the SCA board is missing two components that would >improve its performance-- An AM limiter and an IF amp. Both could >be added cheaply. Actually, this radio uses a house numbered Samsung chip for the SCA decoder, which is a clone of the MC3372 chip. It does have a limiter amp. Essentially the FM station's detected composite audio is taken from the TEA5710 and applied to two audio filter cans. This audio is "upconverted" to a 455 kHz I.F and demodulated using a narrow band FM detector. There are two ceramic resonators (522kHz and 547kHz) that choose the chip's local oscillator frequency. For example, to receive the 92kHz subcarrier, the incoming audio beats in the mixer with the 547kHz oscillator, and the new 455 kHz I.F is limited, detected, and amplified, and sent to one half of the TDA2822 chip, then to the speaker. Given the cost of the radio, this design performs fine. There is some potential to create a stereo AM /stereo FM walkman if we knew how to contact the Chinese manufacturer of these radios. 73, Jeff Deck From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Mar 12 13:26:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7515 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 21:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 21:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 21:26:29 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.103]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:26:27 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c5274a$93abcc20$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <000601c524a9$95da45b0$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:29:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2005 21:26:28.0138 (UTC) FILETIME=[26C428A0:01C5274A] X-Originating-IP: 67.41.129.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CBS Audimax/Volumax In The Digital World? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I was fortunate enough to get an old tube Audimax IIr several years ago. Never fired it up, however. Would probably have to replace the lytics if I ever want to try. According to David Reaves, the guy who designed the Arianne processor, it's based on the Audimax design. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Collins" > > If you've been around for a while, you will no doubt remember the CBS Labs audio processors that used to be damn near ubiquitous in the days before the Optimod. > Hell, I remember about 15 years ago when people were throwing these things in the trash and now I can't find one for less than $1500! I guess everything old is new again if you wait long enough. From jon@kenneke.com Sat Mar 12 13:43:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@kenneke.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89122 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 21:43:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 21:43:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenneke.com) (65.103.64.194) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 21:43:46 -0000 Received: from kenneke.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kenneke.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CLhgZ8022632 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:43:42 -0800 Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by kenneke.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id j2CLhgpL022629 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:43:42 -0800 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:43:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Originating-IP: 65.103.64.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: jon Subject: Re: {AMSF} Powerside stations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77819664 X-Yahoo-Profile: jonkenneke KSHO, in Oregon, was running a powerside until I took it out about 4 months ago. Jon On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Anthony wrote: > > > Does anyone know of any other *music* AM stations in the US (besides > WWRL) that are running Powerside?? Wish there was a list, but no one > keeps one. Any out in So Cal?? > > -tony s. > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Mar 12 13:59:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94643 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 21:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 21:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 21:59:48 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.103]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:59:47 -0700 Message-ID: <007a01c5274f$3ba20260$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <000601c524a9$95da45b0$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> <001401c5274a$93abcc20$d503fea9@home1> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:02:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2005 21:59:47.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[CEAD6690:01C5274E] X-Originating-IP: 67.41.129.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CBS Audimax/Volumax In The Digital World? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Doh- didn't type that right- the Arianne is based on the Audimax. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" > > I was fortunate enough to get an old tube Audimax IIr several years ago. > Never fired it up, however. Would probably have to replace the lytics if I > ever want to try. According to David Reaves, the guy who designed the > Arianne processor, it's based on the Audimax design. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Mar 12 14:07:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37951 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 22:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 22:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 22:07:54 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.103]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:07:52 -0700 Message-ID: <008601c52750$5cd72e00$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:10:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2005 22:07:52.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFDA7BE0:01C5274F] X-Originating-IP: 67.41.129.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} rumor has it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Probably a lost cause, I'd say. Family Stations (the actual corporate name) is hemmorraging right now. Harold Camping has managed to alienate just about everyone who doesn't agree with him exactly, plus he's unsuccessfully set dates for the end of the world which has killed his credibility, and the only way they keep going now is money from estates and selling their valuable FMs. From what I understand, there was some considerable terrain shielding on their SF FM signal, so in some ways getting 610 is going to gain them new listeners, at least til they've listened for a few days and get alienated themselves! If the old geezer croaks fairly soon and there's a few reputable people still within the organization, perhaps they can salvage it. If he lives a lot longer, it'll go to the grave with him. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > > If they do care about sound, I wonder what it'd take to get them to > put C-Quam on the air at their 910 KECR in El Cajon? I get a solid > signal on that station. What about KFRN possibly turning theirs back > on, too? From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Mar 12 15:06:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75009 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 23:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 23:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 23:06:12 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.180.175]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:07:54 -0500 Message-ID: <003201c52758$3f19fc00$afb40642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:07:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Finding music... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You have to wonder how people find new music, with most every station playing a tired 40 song playlist. This hit home a couple weeks ago when I saw that Ipod shuffle commercial on TV, and the tune playing got into my head. A google search showed it was "Jerk it out" by The Caesars- But it took a while to find it. I got the CD, and like it a lot. BUT- How does a new or obscure artist ever get discovered? Radio will not play them. I asked our local alt rock station to play that Caesars song- but "No, not on the playlist"....... too bad. They could play it as a substitute for one of the SIX times they play Green Day or Chevelle in an 8 hour period. Radio needs an overhaul- Real bad. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 12 16:21:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43631 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 00:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 00:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 00:21:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 00:21:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 00:21:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 00:21:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 781 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.88.7 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: CBS Audimax/Volumax In The Digital World? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > All this searching the web for processors has turned up something > new that might be very cool... I ran across a promising little box > that just might be what I'm looking for in a modern package. It is > a two band processor with a slow AGC function to provide very > smooth control of a wide rage of input audio... Also, It's dirt > cheap at under $200! > > http://www.fullcompass.com/Products/pages/SKU--57967/ That is quite interesting, and it's definitely worth a try. Doing a quick Google search, I found this site which has the Alto-Comp on sale for just under $150: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/AltoComp/ And here's the manufacturer's page for it, including a downloadable user's manual (PDF): http://www.altoproaudio.com/html/details.php?ID=37& From badeditpro@cox.net Sat Mar 12 16:24:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19825 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 00:24:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 00:24:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 00:24:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 00:24:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 00:24:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 00:24:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001401c5274a$93abcc20$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 398 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: CBS Audimax/Volumax In The Digital World? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions >According to David Reaves, the guy who designed the > Arianne processor, it's based on the Audimax design. I've been reading a little about that processor and it is supposed to do all kinds of interesting things with the stereo image as well as give very consistent but gentle control of the average levels. I really have not been able to learn much more about it than that, though... :) JC From bratina501@msn.com Sat Mar 12 16:52:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52559 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 00:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 00:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 00:52:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 00:52:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 00:52:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 00:52:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 636 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 198.68.56.209 From: "Nicholas" Subject: Re: IBOC - first hand experience - why it CANNOT work!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > It's more accurate to say IBOC can't work under the conditions given > in the mediumwave broadcast band- Even if every station went IBOC, > which increasingly looks less likely. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ DRM has been proven to work on mediumwave and shortwave under real world conditions just go to www.drm.org and look under the logings in the broadcast schedules for 1296 Orfordness and 1611 Vatican City there are many logings that say that 70% or more of the audio was recieved. So I think it would be a good alternative to IBOC on the AM band here. From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Mar 12 17:42:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18185 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 01:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 01:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.241.30) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 01:42:46 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050313014246.EADC19936.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:42:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:42:45 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: rumor has it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Infinity doesn't have to allow them to keep them; I thought in the same=20 market, same calls must be under the same company's ownership. On Mar 12, 2005, at 7:31 AM, tom_richard1980@yahoo.com wrote: > > They won't change the calls: K F-amily R-adio C-orporation?=A0 Nah... > > > Tom--- > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <22305_0205_016_b_300250_a.gif> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sat Mar 12 17:43:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47317 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 01:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 01:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.186) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 01:43:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:43:28 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 208.17.75.14 by BAY22-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:43:27 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:43:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2005 01:43:28.0330 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DEABAA0:01C5276E] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.16.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: CRL AMS Processor ???? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I Have CRL Processors. There is a 4 position switch marked with Proof, S, M, F. I know what proof is, but what are the other positions for? Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Mar 12 17:51:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40633 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 01:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 01:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 01:51:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 01:51:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 01:51:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:51:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c5262b$e393f160$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 656 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.124.96.70 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: rumor has it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hi gang Rumor has it that The Big 610 KFRC is going to be sold. I guess there new calls will be The Big 610 KSUCK!!!! Jim Smith > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Hi Gang Yes it was comfermed to me by a dj named Sue Hall at KFRC yesterday that The Big 610 has been sold to biles broadcast inc. And yes the new calls will be KSUCK. I had e mailed my frend DR DON ROSE and toled him the bad news to and said to him my last reqest on the last day of 610 am will be for John Mclanes American Pie " The day the music died". Thanks gang Jim Smith From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Sat Mar 12 19:38:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14244 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 03:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 03:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 03:38:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 03:38:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 03:38:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 03:37:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003201c52758$3f19fc00$afb40642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1255 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.249.33.246 From: "pabigelow" Subject: Re: Finding music... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Thus the growing popularity of internet radio. Many radio stations are the equivalent of McDonald's -- no matter where you go in the country one knows what to expect and it's always the same mediocre thing. It's the independent family restaurants that have best food and everyone knows it. Same for radio stations. We can only hope that with enough bad "food" the restaurant, er, radio chains will implode. Paul --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > You have to wonder how people find new music, with most every station playing a tired 40 song playlist. This hit home a couple weeks ago when I saw that Ipod shuffle commercial on TV, and the tune playing got into my head. A google search showed it was "Jerk it out" by The Caesars- But it took a while to find it. I got the CD, and like it a lot. BUT- How does a new or obscure artist ever get discovered? Radio will not play them. I asked our local alt rock station to play that Caesars song- but "No, not on the playlist"....... too bad. They could play it as a substitute for one of the SIX times they play Green Day or Chevelle in an 8 hour period. > Radio needs an overhaul- Real bad. > Chris > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 12 21:42:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19654 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 05:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 05:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 05:41:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 05:41:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 05:41:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:41:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 872 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.88.7 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: CRL AMS Processor ???? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I Have CRL Processors. There is a 4 position switch marked with > Proof, S, M, F. I know what proof is, but what are the other > positions for? It selects the speed of the release timing. For example, if you're playing music where a loud section of the song is followed by a very quiet section, a fast release time (F) will raise up the volume of the quiet section rather quickly, while a slow setting (S) will raise the loudness very gradually, so that the change in volume isn't as noticeable. Generally, the Slow setting is recommended for Classical music, where you want to preserve the dynamics of the original recording. The Medium setting is recommended for most popular music formats, and is what I use on my own CRL units. The Fast setting is recommended for News/Talk formats and for aggressively-processed music formats such as Rock or Urban. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Mar 12 21:42:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76690 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 05:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 05:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 05:42:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 05:42:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 05:42:54 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41844 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 02:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 02:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 02:24:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 02:24:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 02:24:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 02:24:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1897 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.246.213 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: IBOC - first hand experience - why it CANNOT work!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Mar 2005 05:42:50 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Nicholas" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > > It's more accurate to say IBOC can't work under the conditions > given > > in the mediumwave broadcast band- Even if every station went IBOC, > > which increasingly looks less likely. > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > DRM has been proven to work on mediumwave and shortwave under real > world conditions just go to www.drm.org and look under the logings > in the broadcast schedules for 1296 Orfordness and 1611 Vatican City > there are many logings that say that 70% or more of the audio was > recieved. So I think it would be a good alternative to IBOC on the > AM band here. Actually, DRM only works just a little better than IBOC, mostly because it's not in "hybrid" mode, and thus instead of taking 30kHz bandwith (+/-15kHz), it takes 9kHz. www.drm.org is intended as a promotional site for the international consortium that's developing and promoting DRM-- They're NOT in the business of mentioning the shortcomings DRM does have. If you REALLY want to hear just how DRM sounds under Real World conditions, I suggest you listen to the samples from this page in New Zealand: http://www.owdjim.gen.nz/chris/radio/DRM/ Unlike IBOC, DRM has NO ANALOG to fall back on. It's only SLIGHTLY more robust, and it's an open technology. The latter is the best thing going for it. But please, listewn to the samples on the page above- It's a real eye- opener as to just how bad DRM can get! Heck, some of the logs don't HAVE samples, because either the receiver only could get the DRM ID, or no usable signal at all. And interest in DRM hasn't been all that big- It's still more-or-less a curiosity/novelty. Actually, there seems to be more interest from the broadcasters than from radio listeners. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Mar 12 21:44:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24422 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 05:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 05:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 05:44:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 05:44:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 05:44:06 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59653 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 02:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 02:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 02:44:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 02:44:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 02:44:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 02:44:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2718 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.246.213 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: OT: FM SCA Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Mar 2005 05:43:56 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wrote: > > Kevin is correct that the wire from the FM antenna lug to the PC > board was missing! But a thin red shellaced wire is going from the antenna to the SECONDARY board! > Amy, you write: > >I noticed the missing components, but I have no clue, either. I > >do think the SCA board is missing two components that would > >improve its performance-- An AM limiter and an IF amp. Both could > >be added cheaply. > > Actually, this radio uses a house numbered Samsung chip for the > SCA decoder, which is a clone of the MC3372 chip. It does have a > limiter amp. Essentially the FM station's detected composite audio > is taken from the TEA5710 and applied to two audio filter cans. Interesting, because even when I get a very strong FM carrier, the SCA may still act as it's in the fring, and sounds like there's still alot of AM getting into it. (And the radio is very good on FM- It pulls in weaker stations better than a number of other FM radios I have.) > This audio is "upconverted" to a 455 kHz I.F and demodulated using a > narrow band FM detector. There are two ceramic resonators (522kHz > and 547kHz) that choose the chip's local oscillator frequency. > For example, to receive the 92kHz subcarrier, the incoming audio > beats in the mixer with the 547kHz oscillator, and the new 455 kHz > I.F is limited, detected, and amplified, and sent to one half of the > TDA2822 chip, then to the speaker. Given the cost of the radio, > this design performs fine. Aside from the AM noise and weakness-needing-amplification issues, it does perform well, and has proved a good companion on trips. (No SCA in Humboldt Bay.) Dunno why they would need to upconvert to 455- An inexpensive PLL detector could trap the signals on frequency, thus eliminating a stage. (Might improve performance, too.) > There is some potential to create a stereo AM /stereo FM walkman > if we knew how to contact the Chinese manufacturer of these > radios. Would be nice to have an inexpensive stereo AM/SW/FM with SCA. :) The big issue is finding a big enough supply of AMS chips. But as far as I can tell, RadiosSCA has only sold a few hundren of these things, so who knows.... The radio is worth the $30 for a good, usable introduction to SCA, and you get both the 67 and 92kHz channels, too. Tunable SCAs with selectable SCA demods aren't too common under $50. How this guy does it, I don't know- But at least the radios are good enough with decent audio, particularly given the limitations of SCA broadcasting & reception. You can find these on eBay- Just search for SCA SCMO and you're there. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Mar 12 21:55:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62181 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 05:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 05:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 05:55:57 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050313055541.CZVE15592.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 00:55:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 21:55:44 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: KFRC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner When radio stations that I grew up with go away, it really makes me sad. In the case of KFRC, while I didn't technically "grow up" with it (I am a So Cal native), I felt a real bond with it. When I visited my sister in San Jose or Gilroy, I listened to it. Until some lousy sports station went on the same frequency, I could pick it up clearly at night in LA County (though once they went oldies, it wasn't worth listening). It was the last great AM top-40 station in California, lasting quite a while longer than KHJ. And until Walter Sabo messed it up with game shows, it competed quite well. Great and legendary just don't cut it when describing the Big 610, even to its last days as top-40. So I am really ticked off at Infinity, first for not really supporting it (the AM frequency was rarely even mentioned on-air), and now for selling it off as junk. The Big 610 deserves to be in the hands of someone who loves AM music radio. Infinity is now worse than Clear Channel. Richard From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Mar 13 08:12:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20588 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 16:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 16:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 16:12:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 16:12:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 16:12:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:12:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003201c52758$3f19fc00$afb40642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 694 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.163.100.196 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: Finding music... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > They could play it as a substitute for one of the SIX times they > play Green Day or Chevelle in an 8 hour period. Agreed that new artists need exposure, but as someone that was working at a commercial Rock station until recently, both of those artists happened to be two of our most requested...Insanely so, in fact. And the funny thing, you think you're repeating songs 'too much', somebody will call up requesting that SAME SONG OR ARTIST, only ten minutes after you have played it. But innovative, 'grass roots' radio is always better for those who have a true heart felt passion for the medium and the music, and that's what I'm devoting my part-time hours to now. --tony s. From badeditpro@cox.net Sun Mar 13 08:42:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67023 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 16:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 16:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 16:42:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 16:42:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 16:42:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:42:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3716 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: KFRC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > When radio stations that I grew up with go away, it really makes me=20 > sad.=20 I'm an East Coaster but I have collected many airchecks from KFRC.=20 They were, without doubt, the hottest AM station that there ever was! If anyone ever wants to show some newbie how it should be done, just grab any aircheck of KFRC from around 1985 and play it to them. I know it would be an eye opening experience for them when you do. All of the big stations I grew up with are gone now. They have become religious stations or sports or something like that=85 Just think, when those of us who remember stations like KFRC are gone. There will be nothing left of their legacy at all because the cold reality is, these stations, no matter how successful in their day, are nothing but memories now.=20=20 Radio has gotten so far away from the good programming and great personalities that made those stations special that it will never, ever be that good again. The current generation of PD's and Jocks have absolutely no clue how it is done. What made stations like KFRC, WNBC and WLS great was a level of attention to detail that is unheard of today. Every element of the format was carefully executed at every hour of the day. I dare say that the 4 am hour of any of these stations was better presented than the 7 am hour on most high rated stations today.=20=20 Our beloved medium has become so devalued with voice tracks, low paid, unqualified PD's and air talent and musical formats with no innovation or sparkle. The saddest part of all is the fact that this devaluing of radio has not been a result of consumer pressure but the shortsighted and self destructive programming decisions that have been made one after another for the last 15 years. It is very easy for people to blame the advent of new technologies for the decline in radio but after the smoke clears and all is said and done, history will show that radio itself killed radio. Every advance in technology that has come along in the last 20 years in radio has been used to take people out of the control room and put the moment to moment control of what goes on the air in the hands of the one person who programs the automation system. This monolithic control has removed the most important element from any music format: The person who is actually pushing the buttons and adjusting music flow and answering phones and ripping news from the AP machine and connecting with his audience in real time. It started out as just a way to save money by not having to pay people to do unprofitable overnight shifts. Than it became evening shifts, mid days and even afternoons until most of the broadcast day was being filled with mindless bland and generic automated programming. Even the stations that have made a commitment to being live for most of the day still won't pay the money it takes to retain mature and talented people. Therefore, the product suffers=85 The heartbreaking part of the story to me is that the people who made radio stations like KFRC magic are all gone now. They have left radio in disgust or have been put out to pasture by companies who replaced them with younger, less experienced people whom they could more easily micromanage. A crime against humanity. "Wired" magazine recently ran a prominent article proclaiming that radio is dead. I believe it will be ruled as death by suicide by future generations. That is, if they even bother to do any research on that thing there used to be called radio=85 They will say "I think that's something that was kind of like TV before the Internet but without any pictures=85 I Think=85 Can you imagine that?"=20 From brian60420@yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 09:50:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96394 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 17:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 17:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 17:50:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 17:49:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 17:49:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:49:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1265 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.47.147.217 From: "brian60420" Subject: Re: read and weep X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Sorry to say, the countdown is on for terrestrial radio. Verizon wireless is offering "Nationwide" broadband services on it's wireless network that offer 300-700 kbs. Same footprint as it's cellular network. Wi-Fi is a joke compared to this. Internet radio is here, and with a laptop, you can have it in your car. Sprint and Cingular will also offer this service nationwide by year-end. And watch for phones/devices that offer real-player streaming audio/video on these networks. Sprint has streaming video for 20 satellite news/sports stations. (Fox, ESPN, CNN, etc). For me, It's a dream come true. Unlimited choices. Any programming I want anytime (as long as there's signal and my subscription is paid). What was AM/FM? brian --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > Now, if there's some reliable way to get internet radio into the > car without an iPod, > > really will be dead and Clear Channel and the > other media giants who have > > heavily invested in radio stations will just about dry up (except > for maybe their billboard > > divisions). > > WiFi is doable, but in most places, it's not well-networked over > larger areas. Some places are trying to change that. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 13 10:41:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80677 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 18:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 18:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 18:41:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 18:41:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 18:41:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:41:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1857 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.216.117.207 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: OT: FM SCA Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215058239 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 >But a thin red shellaced wire is going from the antenna to the >SECONDARY board! No, that is just a piece of stray goo left from where they put it on the antenna screw, so it would not become loose for the long trip over the small pond. >Interesting, because even when I get a very strong FM carrier, the >SCA may still act as it's in the fring, and sounds like there's >still alot of AM getting into it. (And the radio is very good on >FM- It pulls in weaker stations better than a number of other FM >radios I have.) SCA is strictly a local service, like FM RDS, due to the small bandwidth allowed. So you may have a local sounding FM station, and the SCA will definitely be noiser. Yes, it is quite a little hot performer on the FM band. Also, the selectivity is quite good. I can receive FM stations 60 miles quite clearly with the antenna extended. >Aside from the AM noise and weakness-needing-amplification issues, >it does perform well, and has proved a good companion on trips. >(No SCA in Humboldt Bay.) Dunno why they would need to upconvert to >455- An inexpensive PLL detector could trap the signals on >frequency, thus eliminating a stage. (Might improve performance, >too.) I have used the LM565 PLL for SCA, and too much of the main sound leaks into the SCA audio, especially when the SCA broadcast is silent between songs or speech passages. Their approach using a narrow band FM detector definitely has better performance. >The radio is worth the $30 for a good, usable introduction to SCA, >and you get both the 67 and 92kHz channels, too. Tunable SCAs with >selectable SCA demods aren't too common under $50. How this guy >does it, I don't know- But at least the radios are good enough with >decent audio, particularly given the limitations of SCA >broadcasting & reception. Chinese labor. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Mar 13 14:03:04 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Mar 13 14:04:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77132 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 22:04:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 22:04:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 22:04:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 22:04:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 22:04:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:04:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 205 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.46.184 From: "Dave" Subject: Page about AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan NOthing we don't already know I realize but not seen it before and thought it sums up a few things susinctly anyway! http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/freq_find/am_other.html ...Are'nt Aussies lucky! From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Mar 13 14:17:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33061 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 22:17:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 22:17:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 22:17:16 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.238]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:17:14 -0700 Message-ID: <003601c5281a$d80823c0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:19:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2005 22:17:15.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[69A6D890:01C5281A] X-Originating-IP: 67.41.129.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Finding music... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude One of our local pubcasters was sold to MPR, and wonder of wonders, they're actually doing something creative with it. They changed the calls from WCAL to KCMP and are doing the sort of broad playlist radio you guys are talking about, calling themselves "The Current." www.mpr.org should get you close enough to find it. Don't know if they're streaming as I'm usually listening to talk or one of the local Christian rockers. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony" > But innovative, 'grass roots' radio is always better for those who > have a true heart felt passion for the medium and the music, and > that's what I'm devoting my part-time hours to now. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Mar 13 14:36:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81663 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 22:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 22:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 22:36:12 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.238]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:36:10 -0700 Message-ID: <004801c5281d$7ced0d40$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:39:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2005 22:36:11.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E7FB420:01C5281D] X-Originating-IP: 67.41.129.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KFRC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Why is it that those of us who love radio seem to be the worst when it comes to making money? Radio COULD be salvaged IF some of us could get the hang of real estate investing, or maybe Wade Cook style of stock market buying and selling, make some real money and buy a few of these legendary stations. We have the airchecks to remind us of how it needs to be done. It could be done again and be profitable, as long as one is content not to try and wring every last dime out of it. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "JC" Radio has gotten so far away from the good programming and great personalities that made those stations special that it will never, ever be that good again. The current generation of PD's and Jocks have absolutely no clue how it is done. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Mar 13 14:37:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90487 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 22:37:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 22:37:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 22:37:26 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.238]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:37:23 -0700 Message-ID: <004c01c5281d$a8453e40$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:40:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2005 22:37:23.0923 (UTC) FILETIME=[39D32A30:01C5281D] X-Originating-IP: 67.41.129.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: rumor has it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually it has been done, but the resulting confusion over who owns what usually isn't worth the hassle. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" Infinity doesn't have to allow them to keep them; I thought in the same market, same calls must be under the same company's ownership. On Mar 12, 2005, at 7:31 AM, tom_richard1980@yahoo.com wrote: > > They won't change the calls: K F-amily R-adio C-orporation? Nah... > > > From stodd@mailpobox.com Sun Mar 13 14:48:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62158 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 22:48:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 22:48:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 22:48:01 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.238]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:47:58 -0700 Message-ID: <006201c5281f$23042aa0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <003201c52758$3f19fc00$afb40642@4bmx301> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:50:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2005 22:47:59.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4C338B0:01C5281E] X-Originating-IP: 67.41.129.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Finding music... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I wonder if it isn't because kids have a lot more time on their hands than we do, so finding it isn't as great a challenge? I've asked myself that same question. Are there music blogs out there? I suppose if you know the right sites it isn't too hard. Scott Todd who knows the bloggers that brought down Dan Rather. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" > > You have to wonder how people find new music, with most every station playing a tired 40 song playlist. This hit home a couple weeks ago when I saw that Ipod shuffle commercial on TV, and the tune playing got into my head. A google search showed it was "Jerk it out" by The Caesars- But it took a while to find it. I got the CD, and like it a lot. BUT- How does a new or obscure artist ever get discovered? Radio will not play them. From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Mar 13 14:54:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22982 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 22:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 22:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 22:54:46 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.19]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:56:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c5281f$d123aac0$13b10642@4bmx301> To: References: <003201c52758$3f19fc00$afb40642@4bmx301> <006201c5281f$23042aa0$d503fea9@home1> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:55:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Finding music... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, that is exactly where I found out about that song- a blog! I did a google search for "song in ipod commercial" and it led me to a lot of blogs, and there it was. I don't remember a day that goes by I don't use google for something.... CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Finding music... I wonder if it isn't because kids have a lot more time on their hands than we do, so finding it isn't as great a challenge? I've asked myself that same question. Are there music blogs out there? I suppose if you know the right sites it isn't too hard. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 16:26:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 144 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 00:26:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 00:26:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 00:26:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 00:26:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 00:26:25 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16670 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 17:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 17:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 17:13:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 17:11:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 17:11:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:11:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2211 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.246.213 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: KFRC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Mar 2005 00:26:25 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: =snip= Radio stations themselves aren't to blame, but those who hold the pursestrings are-- But this is only PART of what's destroying radio. You have an industry-oriented NAB- or, I should clarify, a SUPPLY- SIDE industry-oriented NAB, which isn't honestly interested in its role of helping stations be part of the communities which they serve. You have an out-of-control music industry that not only hasd gotten greedy with royalty fees, but have reverted- REVERTED!!- to using payola on influential broadcast corporations. (It's no longer affordable to broadcast music, unless you're one of the Big Guys, and only then do the record companies cream in their shorts at the prospect of doing business with you!) And then you have the best government money can buy. Public interest? BAH! It's all about the money! Screw the public- They won't care and they don't count! And THEN, lastly, you have broadcast corporations that try to cut every corner, not giving a damn if they're serving their community as once required. The whole music and broadcast industries are doing everything in their power to destroy themselves out of pure greed. Radio isn't just strangling itself- It has alot of help behind it, and sadly, if they're aware of the self-destructive road they're on, I don't think they really care, as long as they see money. Radio itself will not die- unless you're counting entirely on the corporates to do right. In that case, you'll be disappointed. The golden days of radio are behind us, but it DOES NOT MEAN that radio is at its end-- Just due for a MAJOR change. Music will come back, but first, the RIAA must be made irrelevant one way or another. SUPPORT INDIE MUSIC, REGARDLESS OF GENRE! Only then can an affordable, relevant music format prosper on independent radio stations. I know those who still dare to dream- These shall keep radio alive when the corporate clones bite the dust! In order for radio to survive, WE MUST NOT BE COMPLACANT!! That's what led to where radio and music have become today, because we didn't hold them accountable. This is YOUR radio, too! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 16:27:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23169 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 00:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 00:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 00:27:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 00:27:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 00:27:04 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72127 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 18:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 18:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 18:19:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 18:19:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 18:19:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:19:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 345 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.246.213 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: read and weep X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Mar 2005 00:26:38 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "brian60420" wrote: > What was AM/FM? The system that's there when everything else breaks down, and you can build with a minimal number of parts and knowledge. Someone once said something to the effect that the fancier the plumbing, the easier it is to stuff it up. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 16:27:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70118 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 00:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 00:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 00:27:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 00:27:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 00:27:48 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64781 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 19:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2005 19:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 19:24:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 19:24:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2005 19:24:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:24:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3115 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.246.213 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: OT: FM SCA Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Mar 2005 00:27:48 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wrote: > > >But a thin red shellaced wire is going from the antenna to the > >SECONDARY board! > > No, that is just a piece of stray goo left from where they put it > on the antenna screw, so it would not become loose for the long > trip over the small pond. I stand corrected on that, then. > >Interesting, because even when I get a very strong FM carrier, the > >SCA may still act as it's in the fring, and sounds like there's > >still alot of AM getting into it. (And the radio is very good on > >FM- It pulls in weaker stations better than a number of other FM > >radios I have.) > > SCA is strictly a local service, like FM RDS, due to the small > bandwidth allowed. So you may have a local sounding FM station, and > the SCA will definitely be noiser. A part of this is that SCA is only supposed to be about 10% power relative to the main aidio and the L-R subcarrier. The narrowness really doesn't have much to do with it, as far as I can tell. > Yes, it is quite a little hot performer on the FM band. Also, > the selectivity is quite good. I can receive FM stations 60 miles > quite clearly with the antenna extended. Indeed- Something I was quite surprised about and pleased with. :) > >Aside from the AM noise and weakness-needing-amplification issues, > >it does perform well, and has proved a good companion on trips. > >(No SCA in Humboldt Bay.) Dunno why they would need to upconvert to > >455- An inexpensive PLL detector could trap the signals on > >frequency, thus eliminating a stage. (Might improve performance, > >too.) > > I have used the LM565 PLL for SCA, and too much of the main sound > leaks into the SCA audio, especially when the SCA broadcast is > silent between songs or speech passages. Their approach using a > narrow band FM detector definitely has better performance. Bandwidth filters. That should cure much of the crosstalk. NBFM detectors generally fall into at least two types- Direct, which is all PLLs do, since it converts the difference in the offset to +/- voltage, and an Armstrong (?) type sloped-AM conbversion. The former, with bandwidth and AM limiters SHOULD provide a cleaner performance. The latter relies on a heterodyne to produce an AM component. > >The radio is worth the $30 for a good, usable introduction to SCA, > >and you get both the 67 and 92kHz channels, too. Tunable SCAs with > >selectable SCA demods aren't too common under $50. How this guy > >does it, I don't know- But at least the radios are good enough with > >decent audio, particularly given the limitations of SCA > >broadcasting & reception. > > Chinese labor. The principle competition, from Metrosonix and one other Chinese maker of SCA radios (I forget whom offhand), are both Chinese made in China, and are more expensive than RadiosSCA. In fact, I'm not sure if there are any complete SCA/FM radios under $50 other than RadiosSCA. I'd love to get my paws on some of these other radios and give them a few words of review... :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 16:48:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65582 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 00:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 00:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 00:48:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 00:48:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 00:48:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:48:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004c01c5281d$a8453e40$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 448 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.69.3 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: rumor has it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Actually it has been done, but the resulting confusion over who > owns what usually isn't worth the hassle. In the NYC area, 930 WPAT and 93.1 WPAT-FM have been under different ownership since 1995. WPAT-FM is owned by SBS and has a Spanish AC format ("Amor 93.1") while WPAT on the AM side is owned by Multicultural Broadcasting and has a brokered Ethnic format (mostly Mexican Regional during the week and Caribbean music on weekends). From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 17:30:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97518 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 01:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 01:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52404.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.112) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 01:30:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 5301 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2005 01:30:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=f1TldlrbeWCEy5ZJCI17B0SCwRgu+evzEfRSP0bpmAEFnNPbbK5ll9ER5GQHqZZxLU8RdQewcOU+0pJrGhhHOyHojGRVkz3wV7OxmYKwromi38n0DNmXkhLFEpi5wsJltROXGSvlWjBQsXT83QcorzNwtt9HWGV8p2TV+C8BBWU= ; Message-ID: <20050314013030.5299.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.248] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:30:30 PST Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:30:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: read and weep X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "brian60420" > > wrote: > > > What was AM/FM? > > The system that's there when everything else breaks > down, and you can > build with a minimal number of parts and knowledge. > > Someone once said something to the effect that the > fancier the > plumbing, the easier it is to stuff it up. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Scotty on the original Star Trek movie. "The more complicated they make the plumbing...the easier it is to stop up the drain"..... Powell powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sun Mar 13 18:17:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34722 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 02:17:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 02:17:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 02:17:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 02:17:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 02:17:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 02:17:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1661 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.178.131.248 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: read and weep X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "brian60420" wrote: > > Sorry to say, the countdown is on for terrestrial radio. Verizon > wireless is offering "Nationwide" broadband services on it's wireless > network that offer 300-700 kbs. Same footprint as it's cellular > network. Wi-Fi is a joke compared to this. > > Internet radio is here, and with a laptop, you can have it in your > car. Sprint and Cingular will also offer this service nationwide by > year-end. > > And watch for phones/devices that offer real-player streaming > audio/video on these networks. Sprint has streaming video for 20 > satellite news/sports stations. (Fox, ESPN, CNN, etc). > > For me, It's a dream come true. Unlimited choices. Any programming I > want anytime (as long as there's signal and my subscription is paid). > > What was AM/FM? > > brian Right. The infrastructure is growing and getting faster. Now if we can just eliminate that pesky, bulky laptop. I'm dreaming of an iPod-like device with just a browser, receiver, a 30 gig drive and a remote. Doable? Without a doubt. db > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > > > > Now, if there's some reliable way to get internet radio into the > > car without an iPod, > > > really will be dead and Clear Channel and the > > other media giants who have > > > heavily invested in radio stations will just about dry up (except > > for maybe their billboard > > > divisions). > > > > WiFi is doable, but in most places, it's not well-networked over > > larger areas. Some places are trying to change that. > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sun Mar 13 19:23:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17505 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 03:23:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 03:23:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 03:23:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 03:23:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 03:23:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:23:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2839 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.178.149.207 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: KFRC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: > > =snip= > > Radio stations themselves aren't to blame, but those who hold the > pursestrings are-- But this is only PART of what's destroying radio. > > You have an industry-oriented NAB- or, I should clarify, a SUPPLY- > SIDE industry-oriented NAB, which isn't honestly interested in its > role of helping stations be part of the communities which they serve. > > You have an out-of-control music industry that not only hasd gotten > greedy with royalty fees, but have reverted- REVERTED!!- to using > payola on influential broadcast corporations. > > (It's no longer affordable to broadcast music, unless you're one of > the Big Guys, and only then do the record companies cream in their > shorts at the prospect of doing business with you!) > > And then you have the best government money can buy. Public interest? > BAH! It's all about the money! Screw the public- They won't care and > they don't count! > > And THEN, lastly, you have broadcast corporations that try to cut > every corner, not giving a damn if they're serving their community as > once required. > > The whole music and broadcast industries are doing everything in > their power to destroy themselves out of pure greed. > > Radio isn't just strangling itself- It has alot of help behind it, > and sadly, if they're aware of the self-destructive road they're on, > I don't think they really care, as long as they see money. > > Radio itself will not die- unless you're counting entirely on the > corporates to do right. In that case, you'll be disappointed. > > The golden days of radio are behind us, but it DOES NOT MEAN that > radio is at its end-- Just due for a MAJOR change. > > Music will come back, but first, the RIAA must be made irrelevant one > way or another. SUPPORT INDIE MUSIC, REGARDLESS OF GENRE! Only then > can an affordable, relevant music format prosper on independent radio > stations. > > I know those who still dare to dream- These shall keep radio alive > when the corporate clones bite the dust! > > In order for radio to survive, WE MUST NOT BE COMPLACANT!! That's > what led to where radio and music have become today, because we > didn't hold them accountable. > > This is YOUR radio, too! This definitely sounds like a call to action, Amy. Too bad there's no money behind this call. It would be great to buy up several of these corporate-owned AM stations and save them from the dufuses who own and run them. What is sadder about AM is this trend among the new crop of iPod-like players to add FM only radios. It appears that manufacturers like Sony, Luxpro and others have dismissed AM as an unlistenable relic. db > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 19:54:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31941 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 03:54:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 03:54:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 03:54:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 03:54:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 03:54:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:54:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003201c52758$3f19fc00$afb40642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 80 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.191.72 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Finding music... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Boy do I concur. Tom > Radio needs an overhaul- Real bad. > Chris > > > From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 19:56:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84943 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 03:56:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 03:56:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 03:56:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 03:56:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 03:56:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:56:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 49 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.191.72 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Subject: Re: KFRC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Nah, KYA was better. It just got ruined sooner. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 20:34:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61892 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 04:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 04:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 04:34:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 04:34:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 04:34:07 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24598 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 03:39:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 03:39:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 03:39:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 03:39:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 03:39:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:39:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 650 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.246.213 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: read and weep X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Mar 2005 04:34:05 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" wrote: > Right. The infrastructure is growing and getting faster. Now if we can just eliminate that > pesky, bulky laptop. I'm dreaming of an iPod-like device with just a browser, receiver, a > 30 gig drive and a remote. > > Doable? Without a doubt. Oh, you mean like my Bluetooth/WiFi-enabled Windows Mobile PDA, with separate players for Windows Media, MP3 and RealPlayer streamsa, and two card slots (one SD, one CF), with cards currently up to 4GB each? ;) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Who predicted mobile internet radio 5 years ago, back when Riccochet was the thing.) From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 20:34:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 62204 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 04:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 04:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 04:34:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 04:34:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 04:34:14 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73061 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 03:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 03:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 03:47:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 03:47:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 03:47:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:46:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 817 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.246.213 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: KFRC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Mar 2005 04:34:14 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: =my rant deleted= > This definitely sounds like a call to action, Amy. Too bad there's no money behind this > call. It would be great to buy up several of these corporate-owned AM stations and save > them from the dufuses who own and run them. The FCC and the broadcasting industry have priced the whole market out of the hands of smaller interests. A fair, public medium? Nope. > What is sadder about AM is this trend among the new crop of iPod- like players to add FM > only radios. It appears that manufacturers like Sony, Luxpro and others have dismissed > AM as an unlistenable relic. Worse- It's a cost-saving measure. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 20:34:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3958 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 04:34:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 04:34:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 04:34:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 04:34:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 04:34:45 -0000 X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81365 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 04:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 04:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 04:32:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 04:32:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 04:32:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 04:32:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 211 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.111.171 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Finding music... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Mar 2005 04:34:22 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, tom_richard1980@y... wrote: > > Boy do I concur. > > Tom > > > Radio needs an overhaul- Real bad. > > Chris Can I say "ditto" here? I guess I did. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 01:31:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10366 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 09:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 09:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 09:31:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 09:31:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 09:31:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:31:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 399 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.111.171 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: OT: FM SCA Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie From one of the manufacturers of SCA radios, particularly for SCA subscription services, is this page that explains SCA and the baseband subcarriers demodulated from the main FM signal: http://www.compolinc.com/sca_technology.htm Of interest, is this simple diagram ov overall power levels for all parts of the baseband FM signal: http://www.compolinc.com/images/scachart.gif Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From benjamin_moser@yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 07:27:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: benjamin_moser@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30192 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 15:27:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 15:27:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 15:27:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 15:26:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 15:26:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:26:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1617 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.141.60.56 From: benjamin_moser@yahoo.com Subject: Give up on AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67528769 X-Yahoo-Profile: benjamin_moser Hi, I will try to not use up too much bandwidth here . I've just gotten a Carver TX-11b tuner, long lusted after. I like old Carver gear. This is AM-stereo capable. I can't seem to tune in anything "stereo". Are there any CQUAM stations in the Tampa area? Antenna: I am limited to inside antenna (or am I?) I might be able to run one in the back yard but am scared of the wiring issues. Current antenna is the "Carver ultimate antenna" which can pull a few stations. I am mostly a layman, but in general it seems that AM reception stinks. I can get several stations with the Carver, only one local/strong (not stereo, of course). Even with a car radio, often can't tune anything at all. Signals carry farther at night, I tuned a Memphis station once, so it's probably not the tuner's fault. I'm still annoyed at AM -- here is a wavelength that sometimes can come in from thousands of miles away, but even a "good" tuner can't get a good signal from 10 miles away??? Radio programming: I'm not very optimistic. Like the other poster, I am a XM junkie too. What little FM I listen to is NPR for classical/jazz. The big corporations have done a pretty good job of homogenizing (and sodomizing) FM in past years. AM offers, at best, a carbon copy of that, plus all-talk and religion thrown into the mix. Usually I only listen to FM if no better alternative exists. Even the "new rock" stations are playing songs from ten years ago. Sigh. If anyone can offer suggestions, especially on a better antenna, it would be helpful. Thanks. Good news: now I will go away!!! From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 08:01:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57917 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 16:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 16:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 16:01:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 16:00:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 16:00:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:00:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2203 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.111.171 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Give up on AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, benjamin_moser@y... wrote: > > Hi, I will try to not use up too much bandwidth here . I've > just gotten a Carver TX-11b tuner, long lusted after. I like old > Carver gear. This is AM-stereo capable. I can't seem to tune in > anything "stereo". Are there any CQUAM stations in the Tampa area? I'll already be beaten to the punch saying this, but nope. There aren't many AM stereo stations in Florida, period- I think there's one by (I think) Winter Park and another- WSOS- in St. Augustine. > Antenna: I am limited to inside antenna (or am I?) I might be able to > run one in the back yard but am scared of the wiring issues. Current > antenna is the "Carver ultimate antenna" which can pull a few > stations. You could get one of those Select-A-Tennas (or similar) which allow you to connect directly to your ANT/GND lugs. > I am mostly a layman, but in general it seems that AM reception > stinks. I can get several stations with the Carver, only one > local/strong (not stereo, of course). Even with a car radio, often > can't tune anything at all. Signals carry farther at night, I tuned > a Memphis station once, so it's probably not the tuner's fault. I'm > still annoyed at AM -- here is a wavelength that sometimes can come > in from thousands of miles away, but even a "good" tuner can't get a > good signal from 10 miles away??? Florida is AM Hell, thanks to the Cubans. > Radio programming: I'm not very optimistic. Like the other poster, > I am a XM junkie too. What little FM I listen to is NPR for > classical/jazz. The big corporations have done a pretty good job of > homogenizing (and sodomizing) FM in past years. AM offers, at > best, a carbon copy of that, plus all-talk and religion thrown into > the mix. Usually I only listen to FM if no better alternative > exists. Even the "new rock" stations are playing songs from ten > years ago. Sigh. I'm an XM mousie, myself. :) > If anyone can offer suggestions, especially on a better antenna, it > would be helpful. Thanks. > > Good news: now I will go away!!! If you go away, you may not get an answer. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 08:27:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55266 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 16:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 16:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 16:27:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 16:27:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 16:27:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:26:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 249 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.111.241.195 From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Give up on AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Find the Terk AM antenna. Radio Shack might still have them. They're similar to the Select-a-Tenna but they cost less. Better yet, find a Dymek DA-5. I pulled in WBZ from San Francisco once. The Wyoming station KTWO was off at the time. From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 09:54:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25351 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 17:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 17:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 17:54:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 52777 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2005 17:53:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=5nZR/lBkl37bYpSnlnfXqJK6YzyJPbkBSK9yzKc/Ulh65NpVyC25ZfvwfjsOo5uYIH8yHQfOkuXJCb8mmcy4x0VYizfUWW0+MKbqzBWqFPQ08/7Kmnm59BDsGztLFtaFMJqYLcNs9vydff+i0iBUGtRKCUWQaYAByhkCJBe3SjI= ; Message-ID: <20050314175351.52775.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.86] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:53:50 PST Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:53:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Give up on AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- benjamin_moser@yahoo.com wrote: > > Hi, I will try to not use up too much bandwidth here > . I've > just gotten a Carver TX-11b tuner, long lusted > after. I like old > Carver gear. This is AM-stereo capable. I can't > seem to tune in > anything "stereo". Are there any CQUAM stations in > the Tampa area? OH POSSUM HUNTER KEVIN...TIME TO INCRFASE POWER... Powell ( ducking ) powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From jeff@wwbf.com Mon Mar 14 10:14:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeff@wwbf.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24141 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 18:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 18:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ams002.ftl.affinity.com) (216.219.253.98) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 18:14:48 -0000 Received: from [66.12.38.166] ([66.12.38.166]:19719 "HELO jeff") by ams002.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id S385995AbVCNSOg (ORCPT ); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:14:36 -0500 Message-ID: <016601c528c1$acf58d60$0301a8c0@jeff> To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:14:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 216.219.253.98 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4 From: "Jeff Thornburg" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Give up on AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=205625708 X-Yahoo-Profile: jat1130 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:26 AM Subject: {AMSF} Give up on AM stereo? > > > Hi, I will try to not use up too much bandwidth here . I've > just gotten a Carver TX-11b tuner, long lusted after. I like old > Carver gear. This is AM-stereo capable. I can't seem to tune in > anything "stereo". Are there any CQUAM stations in the Tampa area? Yes: WWBF-AM 1130 in Bartow, about 45 miles east of Tampa. Outside antenna will be required. From jeff@wwbf.com Mon Mar 14 10:57:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeff@wwbf.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75578 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 18:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 18:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ams006.ftl.affinity.com) (216.219.253.152) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 18:57:20 -0000 Received: from [66.12.38.166] ([66.12.38.166]:25351 "HELO jeff") by ams006.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id S477456AbVCNSR3 (ORCPT ); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:17:29 -0500 Message-ID: <016d01c528c2$13fc5e80$0301a8c0@jeff> To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:17:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 216.219.253.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jeff Thornburg" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Give up on AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=205625708 X-Yahoo-Profile: jat1130 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 11:00 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Give up on AM stereo? > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, benjamin_moser@y... wrote: > > > > Hi, I will try to not use up too much bandwidth here . I've > > just gotten a Carver TX-11b tuner, long lusted after. I like old > > Carver gear. This is AM-stereo capable. I can't seem to tune in > > anything "stereo". Are there any CQUAM stations in the Tampa area? > Yes: WWBF-AM 1130 in Bartow, about 45 miles east of Tampa, in Polk County. A clear channel frequency with 2500 watts daytime power. Transmitting AM Stereo since 1985. > I'll already be beaten to the punch saying this, but nope. ? > There aren't many AM stereo stations in Florida, period- I think > there's one by (I think) Winter Park and another- WSOS- in St. > Augustine. From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Mar 14 15:21:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9433 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 23:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 23:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 23:21:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 23:21:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 23:21:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:21:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 748 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 4.252.248.41 From: "Bruce Carter" Subject: Hang onto your AM stereo gear!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter All C-Quam that I care about has ceased in my area, but AM stereo radios still use product detection, which is vastly superior to the standard envelope detection in most radios. Therefore - these radios have excellent wide bandwidth audio response. What is more - I think it will take product detection and wide bandwidth to add on an IBOC decoder. I don't think add-on decoders will work with envelope detectors on narrow bandwidth radios. Since IBOC is rapidly becoming the only game in town, stand by with your existing equipment until IBOC starts in your area, then you may be in for a treat if you can retrofit. Since my company is all over that technology - I will see if there are any "evaluation kits" that you can buy now. From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Mar 14 15:24:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63163 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 23:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 23:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 23:24:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 23:24:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2005 23:24:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:23:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 269 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 4.252.248.41 From: "Bruce Carter" Subject: Re: Give up on AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Your best bet for C-Quam from Tampa Bay - wait until your local 820 signs off at night. WBAP 820 Ft. Worth / Dallas is still in C-Quam and is a nighttime powerhouse. Unfortunately, the format is news talk, but maybe you will get stereo commercials / musical beds. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Mar 14 17:04:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80367 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2005 01:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2005 01:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.82) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2005 01:04:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:04:49 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.204 by BAY101-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:04:48 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:56:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2005 01:04:49.0131 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC648BB0:01C528FA] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: rumor has it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jimsmith95663 wrote: > my last reqest on the last day of 610 am will be for John Mclanes American Pie " The day the music died". That was the last song played on WQOK 1440 in Greenville, SC before it was sold to Keymarket and changed to WGVL. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 17:38:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31539 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2005 01:38:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2005 01:38:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2005 01:38:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2005 01:38:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2005 01:38:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:38:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1136 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.111.171 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Hang onto your AM stereo gear!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > All C-Quam that I care about has ceased in my area, but AM stereo > radios still use product detection, which is vastly superior to the > standard envelope detection in most radios. Therefore - these > radios have excellent wide bandwidth audio response. What is more - > I think it will take product detection and wide bandwidth to add on > an IBOC decoder. I don't think add-on decoders will work with > envelope detectors on narrow bandwidth radios. Since IBOC is > rapidly becoming the only game in town, stand by with your existing > equipment until IBOC starts in your area, then you may be in for a > treat if you can retrofit. Since my company is all over that > technology - I will see if there are any "evaluation kits" that you > can buy now. C-QUAM, at its most basic, ie Envelope/Quadrature, and uses 4 detectors- Envelope, In-phase sync, Quadrature sync, and PM. The reason for this, is that to improve compatibility, the sum formula was changed from L+R to 1+L+R, with the 1 representing the envelope. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 17:38:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13859 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2005 01:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2005 01:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.18.59) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2005 01:38:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:38:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.63 by by24fd.bay24.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:38:25 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <016601c528c1$acf58d60$0301a8c0@jeff> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:38:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2005 01:38:25.0960 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE843A80:01C528FF] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.18.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Give up on AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Jeff Thornberg wrote in reference to his am stereo station in Bartow,Fl: >Yes: WWBF-AM 1130 in Bartow, >about 45 miles east of >Tampa.  >Outside antenna >will be required. Jeff is right, you pretty much have to be in s.w. Polk county or east of Plant City to get a strong signal on WWBF, but believe me, it's worth it; wonderful stereo separtion on all the oldies they play from the 60's and 70's. Unfortunately from where I am, daytime listening is next to impossible indoors, but in my driveway or front lawn I can pull in (W)WBF with the aid of my Radio Shack Loop antenna. btw- Jeff, a few months ago, I spent several nights on Federal Hwy (U.S. 1) near Ocean Blvd in Stuart and believe it or not, I was picking up (W)WBF at night!, not great mind you, but it was fading in and out and yet here in St Petersburg about 65 miles away (closer to Bartow than Stuart), because of your null to the west, I can't ever pick up 1130 (W)WBF at all after local sunset. Donn 27.761 latitude north, st petersburg,fl From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 17:46:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58719 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2005 01:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2005 01:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2005 01:46:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2005 01:46:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2005 01:46:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:45:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <016d01c528c2$13fc5e80$0301a8c0@jeff> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 295 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.111.171 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Give up on AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Thornburg" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amy Mousie" > > I'll already be beaten to the punch saying this, but nope. > > ? Nevermind- I'm no longer moderated. Now, back to radio... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Mar 14 18:45:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54125 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2005 02:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2005 02:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2005 02:45:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:45:55 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.204 by BAY101-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:45:54 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20050314175351.52775.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:45:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2005 02:45:55.0027 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BF2D230:01C52909] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Give up on AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > OH POSSUM HUNTER KEVIN...TIME TO INCRFASE POWER... Wouldn't do him any good....He has a C-QUAM only Carver TX-11b. My part 15 near US 301 and CR579 is in ISB AM Stereo. I have heard 1230 WONN Lakeland is in C-QUAM, but I can't get enough of it out of the QRM and electrical noise in my location to tell. WIth a 4' loop, he may be able to get 1410 WQBQ Leesburg. It WAS in stereo the last time I checked, but you know how that can change. One of these days I will get me an Alfredo Lite :-) Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 19:05:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41582 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2005 03:05:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2005 03:05:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2005 03:05:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2005 03:05:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2005 03:05:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 03:04:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1287 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.91.7 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Infinity AM stations in Stereo on your PC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Infinity is now streaming most of their major AM stations on the internet, in reasonably clear wideband audio. Copy and paste these links into Windows Media Player to listen to the web streams: KCBS - http://stream1.dc1.sonixtream.com\KCBS-AM KDKA - http://stream1.dc1.sonixtream.com\KDKA-AM KFWB - mms://winmedcdn.cbsig.net/infinity_kfwb-am KMOX - http://infinity.wm.llnwd.net/infinity_kmox-am KNX - http://winmedcdn.cbsig.net/infinity_knx-am KRLD - mms://winmedcdn.cbsig.net/infinity_krld-am KYW - http://infinity.wm.llnwd.net/infinity_kyw-am WBBM - http://stream1.dc1.sonixtream.com/wbbm-am WBZ - http://infinity.wm.llnwd.net/infinity_wbz-am WCBS - http://infinity.wm.llnwd.net/infinity_wcbs-am WINS - http://infinity.wm.llnwd.net/infinity_wins-am WWJ - http://stream1.dc1.sonixtream.com/wwj-am I'm listening to the WINS stream right now... the stream is 48 kbps Stereo, and sounds better than AM IBOC could ever hope to sound with its gritty 36 kbps audio. However, the audio from WINS itself is all mono -- the famous teletype sound effect, which was in full stereo during WINS's C-Quam AM Stereo years, is only heard in mono on their web stream. However, the CBS TV promos and PSAs which Infinity splices in the place of WINS's commercials are heard in full stereo. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 22:05:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55852 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2005 06:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2005 06:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.48) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2005 06:05:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:05:28 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:05:27 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:05:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2005 06:05:28.0533 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCB6D850:01C52924] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Give up on AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Last time I checked about 18 months ago, WONN 1230 Lakeland was mono, even though they had billboards indicating they were AM Stereo and even though they had on the air liners advertising that they were broadcasting in AM Stereo, so I drove to Lakeland twice several weeks apart and was less than a half mile from their transmitter and tower and there was not any stereo. In the 1990's they were and had a gread sound. Also the 1410 in Leesburg,Fl to the best of my knowledge is not in stereo either; my parents live 30 miles from Leesburg,FL and I've never detected a stereo pilot or seperation. Donn St Petersburg ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Possum Hunter" <possumhunter@peoplepc.com> Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Give up on AM stereo? Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:45:52 -0500 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > OH POSSUM HUNTER KEVIN...TIME TO INCRFASE POWER... Wouldn't do him any good....He has a C-QUAM only Carver TX-11b. My part 15 near US 301 and CR579 is in ISB AM Stereo. I have heard 1230 WONN Lakeland is in C-QUAM, but I can't get enough of it out of the QRM and electrical noise in my location to tell. WIth a 4' loop, he may be able to get 1410 WQBQ Leesburg. It WAS in stereo the last time I checked, but you know how that can change. One of these days I will get me an Alfredo Lite :-) Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 23:28:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23920 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2005 07:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2005 07:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2005 07:28:11 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:28:10 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.77.109.149 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:28:09 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:28:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2005 07:28:10.0582 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A536F60:01C52930] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.37.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Give up on AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane It's been a few years since I've been in Florida as my mother-in-law moved up here to Michigan from Ocala. WMOP 900 (Ocala, FL) used to be stereo with sports talk (I don't know if they still are). I'm not sure how well the signal gets into Tampa, if at all. Other than that, nighttime might be the answer. WBAP 820 (Fort Worth, TX) gets a decent signal into Florida. Others I have received is WJR 760 (Detroit, MI) and WBT 1110 (Charlotte, NC). All the above stations were received on a car stereo as I didn't have any other AM stereo equipment at the time. Paul Crane, Jackson, MI >From: "Donn Tillman" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Give up on AM stereo? >Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:05:27 +0000 > > >Last time I checked about 18 months ago, WONN 1230 Lakeland was mono, even >though they had billboards indicating they were AM Stereo and even though >they had on the air liners advertising that they were broadcasting in AM >Stereo, so I drove to Lakeland twice several weeks apart and was less than >a >half mile from their transmitter and tower and there was not any stereo. > >In the 1990's they were and had a gread sound. > >Also the 1410 in Leesburg,Fl to the best of my knowledge is not in stereo >either; my parents live 30 miles from Leesburg,FL and I've never detected a >stereo pilot or seperation. > >Donn >St Petersburg > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Possum Hunter" <possumhunter@peoplepc.com> >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Give up on AM stereo? >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:45:52 -0500 > >Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: >> OH POSSUM HUNTER KEVIN...TIME TO INCRFASE POWER... > >Wouldn't do him any good....He has a C-QUAM only Carver TX-11b. My part 15 >near US 301 and CR579 is in ISB AM Stereo. > >I have heard 1230 WONN Lakeland is in C-QUAM, but I can't get enough of it >out of the QRM and electrical noise in my location to tell. WIth a 4' loop, >he may be able to get 1410 WQBQ Leesburg. It WAS in stereo the last time I >checked, but you know how that can change. > >One of these days I will get me an Alfredo Lite :-) > >Kevin in Tampa >There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical >standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Tue Mar 15 03:01:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80664 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2005 11:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2005 11:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.18) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2005 11:01:36 -0000 Received: from user-615.l3.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.76.66.103] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1DB9np-0001GJ-B8 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:01:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:01:24 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-Originating-IP: 195.92.193.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: AMS exciter design papers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man While I have found a few technical resource websites regarding the above I should like input from the brain trust in case I've missed any others. Any sites you can point me to or articles you can forward via e-mail would be much appreciated. I'll bound it all up to give my engineer something to read. We have the 100w PWM mono TX running 24/7 sweet as a peach so what the hell, we may as well go for stereo. Easier said than done, he says knowingly. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From radio603@malmo2.net Tue Mar 15 03:27:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72965 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2005 11:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2005 11:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.bredband2.net) (82.209.166.11) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2005 11:27:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 559 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2005 12:27:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO roy) ([82.209.145.147]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Mar 2005 12:27:28 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c52952$5d0fc9a0$9391d152@bredband2.com> To: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:30:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Originating-IP: 82.209.166.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: Amradio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Viktigt meddelande......tester p=E5 603 Kz i b=F6rjan av April Important message......Tests on 603 khz first part of April. Fr=E5n Roy From Roy http://www.amradio.se/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Mar 15 03:30:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2450 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2005 11:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2005 11:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2005 11:30:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 03:29:47 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.204 by BAY101-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:29:47 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:29:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2005 11:29:47.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B4F6A40:01C52952] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Give up on AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Donn Tillman wrote: > Also the 1410 in Leesburg,Fl to the best of my knowledge is not in stereo Hmmm...Must have been some falsing that was kicking in the Stereo light. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Mar 15 03:31:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22886 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2005 11:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2005 11:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2005 11:31:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 03:31:35 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.204 by BAY101-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:31:35 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:31:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2005 11:31:35.0606 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B993D60:01C52952] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Give up on AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Paul Crane wrote: >Others I have received is WJR 760 (Detroit, MI) and WBT 1110 (Charlotte, NC). WBT is now in Ibiquity HD Radio. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Wed Mar 16 13:28:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7297 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2005 21:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2005 21:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.188) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2005 21:28:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:28:12 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.164.23.70 by BAY22-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:28:11 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:28:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. 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Chrysafis (kc8gpd) Universal Life Ministries [ULC] http://www.freecycle.org http://www.part15.us From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Wed Mar 16 18:17:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5334 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2005 02:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2005 02:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2005 02:17:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2005 02:17:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2005 02:17:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:17:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 105 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.244.205.99 From: "pabigelow" Subject: SRF-A1 schematic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, Is there a schematic/service manual of the SRF-A1 posted on the internet? Thanks! Paul Bigelow From oldphones@webtv.net Thu Mar 17 05:14:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65778 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2005 13:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2005 13:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.136) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2005 13:14:09 -0000 Received: from storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id ED951D5D1; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:14:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA13226; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:14:02 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAsh7ziUUggKsp1zaY/w1WJoOVLR4CFCwOedWaMIIzj1utBYHfiSwUDfJa Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:14:02 -0600 To: ABDX@topica.com Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <25276-4239829A-8017@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Michael J. Richard" 's message of Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:04:43 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [ ABDX ] Digital TV in Canada?? Mexico?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Does any of the Canadians on this discussion list have any insight to the state of HD TV Digital TV in Canada. Is it allowed? Are they using the ATSC 1080i type of format similar to the U.S.? Are the digital stations being mixed in between the exsisting analog TV stations on VHF, UHF?? How are sales of digital TV's?? The Canadian approach toward digital radio is completely different with the Eureka 147 system and BAN of IBOC !! :) One of the reasons that I am curious about this is that the manufacture, import of larger 36 inch and UP TV's WITHOUT a digital ATSC tuner WILL BE banned by the United States after July 1st, 2005 per the FCC. Distributors, and retailers will still be able to sell and distribute 36 inch and up non ATSC sets, but the market for the less technogically capable sets may drop drastically. IF Canada, Mexico HAS similar ATSC Digital TV standards to the U.S., then a lot of these old sets might get sold, redirected to, in Canada, Mexico. << The Analog NTSC standards for all of North America ( U.S., Canada, Mexico ) ARE THE SAME, So is the electrical power>> In cross border areas U.S. HD TV stations certainly could be received in nearby areas of Southern Canada, Northern Mexico. So there is some potential market. Any ideas, input??? Bill Snyder Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From w6yn@juno.com Fri Mar 18 08:48:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14418 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2005 16:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2005 16:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2005 16:48:04 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBDYBT5A57FLTJ for (sender ); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:47:55 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLDJqbu4oTBaiQS2Amay+a10= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KNDX3RSP; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:47:45 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:47:03 -0800 Message-ID: <20050318.084704.1224.2.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-8,13,16,22-32767 X-ContentStamp: 6:3:1324530677 X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Ibiquity beefing up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ibiquity Hires Marketers Ibiquity says it is beefing up staff to help stations market HD Radio. The technology developer has hired Rene Jamerson, former director of FM operations and promotions for Infinity Broadcasting's 5-station Maryland cluster in Baltimore, and Roy Sampson, formerly marketing/promotions manager for Times-Shamrock Communications WZBA(FM), Baltimore, as broadcast marketing managers. Jamerson and Sampson will help Don Kelly, director of broadcast marketing, position HD Radio to station on-air staff and support station efforts to reach consumers. Ibiquity also hired Vicki Stearn as director of marketing and communications. She had been a communications consultant to Ibiquity as well as a freelance consultant in the satellite and IT industries. She also held PR and communication positions with XM Satellite and Your Choice TV at Discovery Communications. She reports to Dave Salemi, vice president of marketing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Mar 18 14:13:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10175 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2005 22:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2005 22:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.24) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2005 22:13:35 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:13:35 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.78.56.185 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:13:34 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050318.084704.1224.2.w6yn@juno.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:13:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2005 22:13:35.0115 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA411DB0:01C52C07] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.247.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Ibiquity beefing up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 These persons should all be hired to a rousing rendition of: THREE BLIND MICE!!! Michael >From: W6YN Don Milbury >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Ibiquity beefing up >Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:47:03 -0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 >X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com >Received: from n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.47]) by >mc5-f15.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 >08:49:38 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar >2005 16:48:08 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.34] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 >Mar 2005 16:48:08 -0000 >Received: (qmail 14418 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2005 16:48:05 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >18 Mar 2005 16:48:05 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by >mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2005 16:48:04 -0000 >Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by m4.nyc.untd.com >with SMTP id AABBDYBT5A57FLTJfor (sender >);Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:47:55 -0800 (PST) >Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id >KNDX3RSP; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:47:45 PST >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHlJGzMSQsMqsPAtd7nqx3R9uweesWMOFI= >DomainKey-Signature: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLDJqbu4oTBaiQS2Amay+a10= >X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 >X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-8,13,16,22-32767 >X-ContentStamp: 6:3:1324530677 >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 >X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-20622-1111164487-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2005 16:49:38.0696 (UTC) >FILETIME=[793EF080:01C52BDA] > >Ibiquity Hires Marketers >Ibiquity says it is beefing up staff to help stations market HD Radio. >The technology developer has hired Rene Jamerson, former director of FM >operations and promotions for Infinity Broadcasting's 5-station Maryland >cluster in Baltimore, and Roy Sampson, formerly marketing/promotions >manager for Times-Shamrock Communications WZBA(FM), Baltimore, as >broadcast marketing managers. >Jamerson and Sampson will help Don Kelly, director of broadcast >marketing, position HD Radio to station on-air staff and support station >efforts to reach consumers. >Ibiquity also hired Vicki Stearn as director of marketing and >communications. She had been a communications consultant to Ibiquity as >well as a freelance consultant in the satellite and IT industries. She >also held PR and communication positions with XM Satellite and Your >Choice TV at Discovery Communications. She reports to Dave Salemi, vice >president of marketing. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Mar 18 14:41:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85793 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2005 22:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2005 22:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2005 22:41:09 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.152]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:43:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c52c0b$be316de0$98b50642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:42:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ibiquity beefing up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They need Clara Peller about now... (the old gal who said "Where's the Beef?" in the old Wendy's commercials) cc ----- Original Message ----- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 16:55:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81222 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 00:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 00:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 00:55:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 00:55:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 00:55:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:55:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050318.084704.1224.2.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1369 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.91.7 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Ibiquity beefing up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Ibiquity Hires Marketers > Ibiquity says it is beefing up staff to help stations market > HD Radio. How much you wanna bet most of these people will be laid off when all of iBiquity's corporate investments start running out? Right now, they're betting their financial future on hefty licensing fees for stations implementing IBOC -- up to $25,000 a pop. They're probably projecting X number of stations will take the leap and are allocating their expenditures as if that revenue was guaranteed. So the big push is not to get IBOC receivers in the hands of listeners, it's to get radio stations to sign on the dotted line for IBOC licensing. They probably could care less if not even a single IBOC receiver is sold; all that matters is the number of stations which pay into their licensing fee plan. Alas, this kind of corporate planning would make Microsoft proud. As far as listeners are concerned, IBOC has been vaporware for the past 2-1/2 years, and yet iBiquity is still managing to attract corporate lemmings to it. Microsoft has made money from vaporware in the past -- perhaps the most famous example is when they announced Windows 95 in mid-1994, but didn't actually release it until August 1995. IBM beat them to the marketplace with a superior product (OS/2 Warp), but it was Microsoft's marketing hype which won over the industry. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 17:15:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52160 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 01:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 01:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 01:15:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 01:15:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 01:15:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c52c0b$be316de0$98b50642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1224 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.91.7 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Ibiquity beefing up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > They need Clara Peller about now... (the old gal who said "Where's > the Beef?" in the old Wendy's commercials) > cc That's an example of a good product backed by good advertising. At this point, iBiquity has neither. Nor does anyone else in the terrestrial radio industry these days, it seems! BTW, to go along with the commercials, a "Where's The Beef?" song was recorded and released as a 45 RPM single by Awesome Records in 1984. The artist was listed as "Coyote McCould featuring Clara Peller". And for the rest of the story, as Paul Harvey would say, here's what one web page writes: "Sadly, America's love affair with Clara and her catchphrase waned when she did a commercial for Prego Plus spaghetti sauce and declared, 'I found it!' (She was talking about the beef, of course.) Wendy's fired the beefeater, and their spokesperson sternly declared, 'Clara can find the beef in only one place.' The four-foot, eleven-inch pitchwoman died two years later, at age 86. In 1989, Wendy's folksy founder Dave Thomas began a 13-year ad campaign that ended with his death in 2002. On a happier note, you can still hear Coyote McCloud hosting the morning show on Oldies 96.3, a Nashville radio station." From Bossmsx@aol.com Fri Mar 18 17:18:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93689 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 01:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 01:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 01:18:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 01:18:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 01:18:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:18:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <016d01c528c2$13fc5e80$0301a8c0@jeff> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 271 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.163.100.196 From: "Anthony" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Give up on AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > Yes: WWBF-AM 1130 in Bartow Good to see you on the list, Jeff!! WBF sounded great last time I was up in your area in November (on my SRF-A100)....Was somewhat disappointed they tore down the Hardees in Bartow, but that's a whole different story. Tony Simon/Miami From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Mar 18 17:45:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68671 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 01:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 01:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 01:45:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:45:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.204 by BAY101-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:45:40 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: , , References: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:45:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2005 01:45:40.0664 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B45CB80:01C52C25] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.75 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: [realisticdx] Re: SW Listening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 stp479 wrote: > I wonder if "Heard it on the X" is XERF being mentioned in the ZZ Top song? Yes! For a history lesson on XERF, take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XERF Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 17:55:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49948 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 01:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 01:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 01:55:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 01:55:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 01:55:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:54:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 384 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.18.245 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ibiquity beefing up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" wrote: > These persons should all be hired to a rousing rendition of: > > THREE BLIND MICE!!! Hey, wait a minute! Now, granted, that's also the theme to the Three Stooges (which itself is appropos), but still...... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (They're RATS, not mice... Us mice wouldn't stoop so low.) From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Mar 18 18:28:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9911 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 02:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 02:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 02:28:02 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.212.132]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:28:00 -0700 Message-ID: <008501c52c2b$bb18aea0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: <20050318.084704.1224.2.w6yn@juno.com> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:31:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2005 02:28:01.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[45C12970:01C52C2B] X-Originating-IP: 67.41.129.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ibiquity beefing up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude There's a big hubbub on the broadcast boards about how these folks they hired don't have any experience with persuading big box retailers to stock certain products. Looks like they only know how to lobby broadcasters. Hopefully that'll seal HD's doom. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "W6YN Don Milbury" > > Ibiquity Hires Marketers > Ibiquity says it is beefing up staff to help stations market HD Radio. > The technology developer has hired Rene Jamerson, former director of FM > operations and promotions for Infinity Broadcasting's 5-station Maryland > cluster in Baltimore, and Roy Sampson, formerly marketing/promotions > manager for Times-Shamrock Communications WZBA(FM), Baltimore, as > broadcast marketing managers. From stodd@mailpobox.com Fri Mar 18 18:29:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45910 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 02:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 02:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 02:29:04 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.212.132]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:29:02 -0700 Message-ID: <008601c52c2b$e00ea840$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:32:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2005 02:29:03.0456 (UTC) FILETIME=[6AA85600:01C52C2B] X-Originating-IP: 67.41.129.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF-A1 schematic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not sure, but it does give me an idea- there are a few sites on the net with equipment manuals for vintage communications receivers and related gear, such as the Boat Anchor Manuals Archive. Perhaps we need to have something like that for AM stereo gear. I could contribute a few car radio schematics. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "pabigelow" > > Is there a schematic/service manual of the SRF-A1 posted on the internet? From jeff@wwbf.com Fri Mar 18 18:33:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeff@wwbf.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43490 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 02:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 02:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ams006.ftl.affinity.com) (216.219.253.152) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 02:33:19 -0000 Received: from [66.12.38.166] ([66.12.38.166]:34567 "HELO jeff") by ams006.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id S391254AbVCSCdS (ORCPT ); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:33:18 -0500 Message-ID: <001801c52c2c$01ab16a0$0701a8c0@jeff> To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:33:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 216.219.253.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jeff Thornburg" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Give up on AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=205625708 X-Yahoo-Profile: jat1130 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony" To: Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 8:18 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Give up on AM stereo? > > > > Yes: WWBF-AM 1130 in Bartow > > Good to see you on the list, Jeff!! WBF sounded great last time I > was up in your area in November (on my SRF-A100)....Was somewhat > disappointed they tore down the Hardees in Bartow, but that's a whole > different story. yes me too, it's a drug store now Jeff From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 19:17:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35352 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 03:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 03:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 03:17:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 03:17:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 03:17:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:17:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008501c52c2b$bb18aea0$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 594 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.18.245 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ibiquity beefing up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > There's a big hubbub on the broadcast boards about how these folks they > hired don't have any experience with persuading big box retailers to stock > certain products. Looks like they only know how to lobby broadcasters. > Hopefully that'll seal HD's doom. If I recall the original post correctly, that was exactly the reason they were hired- To persuade broadcasters to adopt IBOC. Considering the number of stations that went to HD and backed off when they realised what a turkey it was...... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 23:04:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15592 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 07:03:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 07:03:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 07:03:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 07:03:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 07:03:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 07:03:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008601c52c2b$e00ea840$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 322 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.91.7 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF-A1 schematic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Is there a schematic/service manual of the SRF-A1 posted on the > internet? I have copies of the service manuals for the Sony SRF-A1 and SRF-A100, but only in paper form (thanks to Chris Cuff). If I get the time at work, I might get them scanned in and converted to PDF so that they can be available for download. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 23:06:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20161 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 07:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 07:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 07:06:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 07:06:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 07:06:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 07:05:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 214 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.91.7 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ibiquity beefing up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Considering the number of stations that went to HD and backed off > when they realised what a turkey it was...... I don't think iBiquity even cares about that, just as long as they get their licensing fees. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Mar 19 04:37:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58853 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 12:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 12:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 12:37:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 12:37:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.61] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 12:37:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:37:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 522 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.18.245 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF-A1 schematic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > Is there a schematic/service manual of the SRF-A1 posted on the > > internet? > > I have copies of the service manuals for the Sony SRF-A1 and > SRF-A100, but only in paper form (thanks to Chris Cuff). If I get > the time at work, I might get them scanned in and converted to PDF > so that they can be available for download. I can say with certainty these schematics and manuals would be welcome at the AMS Archive. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Sat Mar 19 06:31:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11512 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 14:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 14:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 14:31:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 14:31:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 14:31:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:31:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 992 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.249.32.159 From: "pabigelow" Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF-A1 schematic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > > > Is there a schematic/service manual of the SRF-A1 posted on the > > > internet? > > > > I have copies of the service manuals for the Sony SRF-A1 and > > SRF-A100, but only in paper form (thanks to Chris Cuff). If I get > > the time at work, I might get them scanned in and converted to PDF > > so that they can be available for download. > > I can say with certainty these schematics and manuals would be > welcome at the AMS Archive. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I can second that! Been playing around with Sony FD-30a Watchman TV with built in FM stereo and AM mono radio. The radio section isn't bad at all. It's quite sensitive but doesn't produce a multitude of images in the FM band -- even in the DX position. The sound is very nice as well. Too bad there is absolutely no room for an inboard AM decoder. Paul From mtgc@hotmail.com Sat Mar 19 06:58:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85279 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 14:58:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 14:58:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 14:58:18 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:57:57 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.78.58.100 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:57:57 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:57:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2005 14:57:57.0480 (UTC) FILETIME=[096C4680:01C52C94] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.247.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Ibiquity beefing up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 I should have added "with apologies to Amie Mousie" Michael > >These persons should all be hired to a rousing rendition of: > >THREE BLIND MICE!!! > >Michael > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Mar 19 10:55:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33920 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 18:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 18:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 18:55:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 18:54:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 18:54:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:54:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 197 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.17.33 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ibiquity beefing up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" wrote: > I should have added "with apologies to Amie Mousie" =grin!= No hard feelings. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dougharding@bellsouth.net Sat Mar 19 14:17:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49239 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 22:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 22:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 22:17:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 22:17:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 22:17:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:17:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 206 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.6.205.68 From: "douglasharding" Subject: 2005 Ford has AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Hi Gang, A friend of mine just bought a new 2005 Ford and it has c-quam AM Stereo! So here we are in 2005 and they are still making AM Stereo factory radios and no sign of HD digital factory radios yet. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Mar 19 14:47:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32133 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 22:47:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 22:47:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 22:47:52 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.117]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:47:36 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c52cd6$1d13fd80$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:50:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2005 22:47:37.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6144690:01C52CD5] X-Originating-IP: 67.41.129.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ibiquity beefing up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude So what if they're able to persuade a bunch of broadcasters? They'll end up with the same problem AM stereo had- a lot of broadcasters got on board but there was little in the way of available receivers. Without the radios IBOC is a white elephant. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > There's a big hubbub on the broadcast boards about how these folks > they > > hired don't have any experience with persuading big box retailers > to stock > > certain products. Looks like they only know how to lobby > broadcasters. > > If I recall the original post correctly, that was exactly the reason > they were hired- To persuade broadcasters to adopt IBOC. > > Considering the number of stations that went to HD and backed off > when they realised what a turkey it was...... From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Mar 19 15:08:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91848 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 23:08:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 23:08:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.198.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 23:08:43 -0000 Received: from n1zzn (h0080c80a5da1.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005031923060901500ek250e>; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:06:09 +0000 To: Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:06:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUs0X0v0/t8vCHIR6aMYMTy3oIgYwABmxKQ X-Originating-IP: 204.127.198.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} 2005 Ford has AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Which 2005 Ford was it? A lot of the Fords I've seen lately have that awful oversized under featured radio, mostly in F-150s and some others I believe. That radio doesn't appear to have AM Stereo or RDS, where the CD-6 has both. Let's hope they continue using the CD-6 for a few more years, even though it is very difficult to receive all but the strongest AM Stereo stations on it. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA >-----Original Message----- >From: douglasharding [mailto:dougharding@bellsouth.net] >Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 5:17 PM >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} 2005 Ford has AM Stereo! > > > >Hi Gang, > >A friend of mine just bought a new 2005 Ford and it has c-quam AM >Stereo! So here we are in 2005 and they are still making AM Stereo >factory radios and no sign of HD digital factory radios yet. > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Mar 19 15:34:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58790 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 23:34:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 23:34:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 23:34:48 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.186.41]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:36:51 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c52cdc$66ffe200$29ba0642@4bmx301> To: Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:35:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2005 Ford has AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That reminds me- how about Chrysler? Are they still putting AMS in the CD/Cassette combos? (the RAZ option, if that's what it is still called) Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat Mar 19 19:02:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50131 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2005 03:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2005 03:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2005 03:02:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 03:02:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 03:02:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 03:02:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1197 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.126.222.3 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: SRF-A1 schematic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pabigelow" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > wrote: > > > > > > > Is there a schematic/service manual of the SRF-A1 posted on the > > > > internet? > > > > > > I have copies of the service manuals for the Sony SRF-A1 and > > > SRF-A100, but only in paper form (thanks to Chris Cuff). If I get > > > the time at work, I might get them scanned in and converted to PDF > > > so that they can be available for download. > > > > I can say with certainty these schematics and manuals would be > > welcome at the AMS Archive. > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > I can second that! > > Been playing around with Sony FD-30a Watchman TV with built in FM > stereo and AM mono radio. The radio section isn't bad at all. It's > quite sensitive but doesn't produce a multitude of images in the FM > band -- even in the DX position. The sound is very nice as well. Too > bad there is absolutely no room for an inboard AM decoder. > > Paul Hi Paul Could you glue it to the back of the speaker? Jim Smith From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Mar 19 19:13:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1945 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2005 03:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2005 03:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2005 03:13:57 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.47] (pool-141-150-133-215.mad.east.verizon.net [141.150.133.215]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j2K3E1kC014379 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:14:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <423CE93D.1070701@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:08:45 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2005 Ford has AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 I said that months ago when a rented a bunch of Ford vehicles from Hertz i n the fall... I rented a 2005 mustang and it had AM stereo back in November. Neal Newman-CE/CO WTTM 1680 am stereo Princeton,New Jersey douglasharding wrote: >Hi Gang, > >A friend of mine just bought a new 2005 Ford and it has c-quam AM >Stereo! So here we are in 2005 and they are still making AM Stereo >factory radios and no sign of HD digital factory radios yet. > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 19 19:51:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97431 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2005 03:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2005 03:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2005 03:51:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 03:51:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 03:51:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 03:50:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001901c52cd6$1d13fd80$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1060 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.72.9 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ibiquity beefing up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > So what if they're able to persuade a bunch of broadcasters? > They'll end up with the same problem AM stereo had- a lot of > broadcasters got on board but there was little in the way of > available receivers. Without the radios IBOC is a white elephant. And even with its "marketplace war", AM Stereo actually had receivers on the market more quickly than IBOC. The FCC approved AM Stereo in 1982, and by early- to mid-1984, the Sony multi-system radios were available -- and by late 1984, automakers started offering AM Stereo-equipped car radios (I have a Delco with a production date of October 1984). In comparison, IBOC was approved in 2002, and here we are in 2005 with no receivers available except for a handful of very expensive aftermarket car radios. If you look back in the FCC archives for docket 99-325, somewhere there's a letter from iBiquity which basically says "If we don't have receivers on the market by the spring of 2004, HD Radio will be a failure". Looks like that prediction has a good chance of coming true.... From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Mar 19 20:32:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69898 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2005 04:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2005 04:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2005 04:32:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 04:32:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 04:32:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 04:32:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2827 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.17.33 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ibiquity beefing up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > So what if they're able to persuade a bunch of broadcasters? > > They'll end up with the same problem AM stereo had- a lot of > > broadcasters got on board but there was little in the way of > > available receivers. Without the radios IBOC is a white elephant. > > And even with its "marketplace war", AM Stereo actually had receivers > on the market more quickly than IBOC. The FCC approved AM Stereo in > 1982, and by early- to mid-1984, the Sony multi-system radios were > available -- and by late 1984, automakers started offering > AM Stereo-equipped car radios (I have a Delco with a production date > of October 1984). The Sony SRF-A1 and SRF-A100 were designed and prototyped by 1981 as demonstration radios, to demonstrate all 5 systems in the running at the time, with the goal of having a radio out at the moment of approval of any of the systems, before the infamous marketplace decision was even made. The SRF-A1 is, if i'm not mistaken, the very first commercially-available AM stereo radio, introduced in 1982, while the 'A100 was introduced in 1983. The 'A100 remains one of the most successful AMS receivers ever, only eclipsed by the SRF-42 a decade later. Motorola had the best licensing arrangements, so C-QUAM took off quite well-- All three US car manufacturers signed up almost immediately, and all introduced C-QUAM radios in their 1985-model cars and trucks, intruduced by July-August 1984. 1984 was a good year for AMS. More than 900 AM stations sigtned onto the AMS bandwagon, almost evenly split between C-QUAM and Kahn ISB. Stations did actively promote it-- Stations like KFI 640 in Los Angeles gave Sonys- both SRF-A1s and SRF-A100s- away to enthusiastic listeners at their travelling AMS demonstrations from late '83 through '84. It was a good time to be an AMS listener. But AMS was not actively promoted by manufacturers or car deales, and you would only know AMS existed if the AM station you're listening to mentioned it- Although many did, many didn't. John Q. Public simply had no idea. Kahn and the RIAA did not help matters much, either. I've gone into this before. Today IBOC faces an uncertain future, largely due to circumstances thyat began in the peak days of AMS, when the RIAA forced stations to cut back in some way, often affecting their music content, and Kahn threatened too many lawsuits, making manufacturers skiddish about even promoting AMS. In short, radio was made irrelevant. IBOC can't save it, because the problems aren't technological in nature. And stations are brought in to the IBOC circle with lies, unfulfillable promises, and bills too expensive for most of them to even pay. Tupid, I tell you. Just plain stupid. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Mar 20 05:55:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98473 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2005 13:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2005 13:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2005 13:55:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 13:55:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 13:55:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:55:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <423CE93D.1070701@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 184 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.163.100.196 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2005 Ford has AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 I thought someone mentioned here some time ago that once Visteon started making HD Radio capable radios for Fords, that THOSE would actually be BOTH IBOC *AND* C-QUAM ready. --Tony From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Mar 20 05:58:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67843 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2005 13:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2005 13:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2005 13:58:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 13:58:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 13:58:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:58:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 431 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.163.100.196 From: "Anthony" Subject: www.hd-radio.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Has anyone been keeping up to date on the station list at www.hd- radio.com?? Says quite a few newly listed AMs are slated to go IBOC, among them WILD in Boston, WJMO in Cleveland,, and WWCN/770 in Ft. Myers, Florida...Doesn't give a timetable as to when, but they're on there. Again, as has been pointed out, the list is not accurate, but I guess it's probably the only thing out there that's any semblance of a list. --Tony From dougharding@bellsouth.net Sun Mar 20 09:48:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50458 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2005 17:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2005 17:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2005 17:48:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 17:48:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 17:48:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:48:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 620 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.6.205.68 From: "douglasharding" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2005 Ford has AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding It was the 2005 50th Anniversary Thunderbird and it is a CD-6 radio. The AM is very wideband and sounds like FM. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Lehmann" wrote: > Which 2005 Ford was it? A lot of the Fords I've seen lately have that awful > oversized under featured radio, mostly in F-150s and some others I believe. > That radio doesn't appear to have AM Stereo or RDS, where the CD-6 has both. > > Let's hope they continue using the CD-6 for a few more years, even though it > is very difficult to receive all but the strongest AM Stereo stations on it. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA From dougharding@bellsouth.net Sun Mar 20 09:59:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98029 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2005 17:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2005 17:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2005 17:59:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 17:59:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 17:59:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:59:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 664 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.6.205.68 From: "douglasharding" Subject: Re: www.hd-radio.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I just checked and WQAM 560 here in Miami is no longer broadcasting HD. I wonder if they are having problems are just decided to dump it? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > Has anyone been keeping up to date on the station list at www.hd- > radio.com?? > > Says quite a few newly listed AMs are slated to go IBOC, among them > WILD in Boston, WJMO in Cleveland,, and WWCN/770 in Ft. Myers, > Florida...Doesn't give a timetable as to when, but they're on there. > Again, as has been pointed out, the list is not accurate, but I guess > it's probably the only thing out there that's any semblance of a list. > > --Tony From raydidio2004@yahoo.com Sun Mar 20 13:11:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydidio2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7233 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2005 21:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2005 21:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2005 21:11:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 21:11:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 21:11:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:11:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 79 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 4.131.33.215 From: "Michael" Subject: Temporarily Leaving the Group X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170665822 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydidio2004 I will be returning in a few weeks under a new email address. Thanks. Michael From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 20 14:38:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36535 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2005 22:38:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2005 22:38:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2005 22:38:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 22:38:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 22:38:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:38:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 159 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.77.7 From: "Kevin T." Subject: OT: iTube X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I guess even digital compression artifacts sound better when played through a vacuum-tube amplifier.... http://www.psiberportal.com/psiberaudio/iPod_3.htm From badeditpro@cox.net Sun Mar 20 17:40:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84463 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2005 01:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2005 01:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2005 01:40:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2005 01:40:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2005 01:40:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 01:40:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2819 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: OT: iTube X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: >=20 > I guess even digital compression artifacts sound better when played=20 > through a vacuum-tube amplifier.... >=20 > http://www.psiberportal.com/psiberaudio/iPod_3.htm Oh my God, That has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen.. I busted out laughing when I clicked on that link because I used to work with a genius, no doubt, but absolutely certifiable engineer who we will call Ralph that would have done something like that=85 This guy was a tube nut and could make any ancient piece of audio/radio gear work like new again. The man was an artist! I had a set of amps almost exactly like the ones in the picture in my production studio that we used for monitoring. For a while, we were using a modified 1957 model RCA board in there, too. It sounded every bit as good as a new one=85 We had a modulation monitor that I think was originally part of the KDKA studios around 1925 or so. Sounded good!=20 Now, we had three old transmitters, a Gates, an RCA and a prehistoric Raytheon, and that's where old Ralph's skill with old tube stuff really showed. I remember one time when the subject of a new transmitter was raised at a budget meeting. When asked whether we could look into getting a new one, Ralph replied, "Why? We can still get tubes, right?" He had a point, there=85 By the way, all of those transmitters could be switched on line by remote control. Triple redundancy! Gotta love it! He painted the tower all by himself one time!=20=20 You should have seen the things he could do with a stepper relay=85 All of our computers in the station were made from scrounged parts from here and there. I think it was the only computer network ever to have every generation of PC from an 8086 on up to the latest Pentium model. You have not lived until you find yourself editing audio with Cool Edit Pro hooked up to a 1957 tube type board. It's just so wrong! Ralph and I would occasionally bump heads on things. I guess I'm a little strange but I tend to believe that the simplest solution to a problem is usaually the best one. If I asked Ralph to whip something up for me, like a box with a button on it that I could use to start up some device in the studio, he'd inevitably come back with a monstrosity that had several buttons, switches and knobs that were all controlled by a bank of relays=85 I'd say, "all I wanted was one little button=85" and Ralph would launch off into a long explanation of how he had rethought it so you could have quadruple redundancy built in and how he had looked ahead to the future when we may have to use this studio to remotely control our own spacecraft so he had made sure that the little box would be ready=85=20 He would love the iTube, that's for sure=85 :) JC From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Mar 21 05:30:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57778 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2005 13:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2005 13:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2005 13:30:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2005 13:30:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2005 13:30:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:30:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 385 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.75.227.85 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: www.hd-radio.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Must be a temporary thing....Seems to me I checked around the same time you did and they were...Actually just yesterday morning or Saturday I think. --t --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > > I just checked and WQAM 560 here in Miami is no longer broadcasting > HD. I wonder if they are having problems are just decided to dump it? From dougharding@bellsouth.net Tue Mar 22 03:40:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14031 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 11:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2005 11:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2005 11:40:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 11:40:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 11:40:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:39:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 761 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.6.205.68 From: "douglasharding" Subject: WQAM Miami X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Anthony you may be right. I did try them today Tuesday Morning using my Carver TX-11b and I could not detect any digital sidebands but their audio quality was still very telephone like narrow band so they are probably just making adjustments. I have a feeling it will be back. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > Must be a temporary thing....Seems to me I checked around the same > time you did and they were...Actually just yesterday morning or > Saturday I think. > > --t > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" > wrote: > > > > I just checked and WQAM 560 here in Miami is no longer broadcasting > > HD. I wonder if they are having problems are just decided to dump > it? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 22 05:49:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64548 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 13:49:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2005 13:49:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2005 13:49:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 13:48:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 13:48:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:48:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 500 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.99.17.1 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: WQAM Miami X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Anthony you may be right. I did try them today Tuesday Morning using > my Carver TX-11b and I could not detect any digital sidebands but > their audio quality was still very telephone like narrow band so > they are probably just making adjustments. I have a feeling it will > be back. Meanwhile in Philadelphia, 610 WIP is not transmitting IBOC this morning. I noticed this when I tuned in 600 kHz and I could actually hear WICC again. WIP's audio has also returned to full NRSC bandwidth. From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Mar 22 09:18:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21897 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 17:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2005 17:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2005 17:18:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 17:18:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 17:18:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:18:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 230 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.75.227.85 From: "Anthony" Subject: IBOC in Philly X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > Meanwhile in Philadelphia, 610 WIP is not transmitting IBOC this > morning. Are WPEN and 95.7 up in Philly still running IBOC?? I know WMWX just changed formats yesterday, and WPEN went Oldies a few months ago. --tony From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 22 16:02:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66934 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2005 00:02:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2005 00:02:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2005 00:02:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2005 00:02:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2005 00:02:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:02:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 718 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.88.2 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: IBOC in Philly X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Are WPEN and 95.7 up in Philly still running IBOC?? I know WMWX > just changed formats yesterday, and WPEN went Oldies a few months > ago. Yes, WPEN is IBOC during daytime hours (with 5 kHz analog audio that is among the worst I've ever heard on AM, especially for a music format), and FM stations using IBOC in Philly include 95.7 WMWX, 102.9 WMGK, and 104.5 WSNI. I can tell these have the IBOC on because when I park on the western side of my office building at work (which blocks line-of-sight reception of NYC stations), the adjacent-channel hiss really from these IBOC stations really clobbers the neighboring New York stations (95.5, 102.7, and 104.3), making them almost unlistenable at times. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Mar 22 16:47:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85371 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2005 00:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2005 00:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2005 00:47:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2005 00:47:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2005 00:47:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:47:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 163 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.46.134 From: "Dave" Subject: All clear channel AM stations reduced to 5khz ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I was told today by someone in the UK that all Am stations owned by Clear channel will have their bandwidth cut to just 5khz to allow for IBOC ?? Is this True ? From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 22 16:57:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90169 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2005 00:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2005 00:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2005 00:57:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2005 00:57:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2005 00:57:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:57:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 315 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.16.11 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: All clear channel AM stations reduced to 5khz ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > I was told today by someone in the UK that all Am stations owned by > Clear channel will have their bandwidth cut to just 5khz to allow for > IBOC ?? Is this True ? Yes, sad to say...or should I say, not surprisingly? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 22 17:12:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4436 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2005 01:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2005 01:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2005 01:12:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2005 01:12:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2005 01:12:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:12:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1222 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.88.2 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: All clear channel AM stations reduced to 5khz ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I was told today by someone in the UK that all Am stations owned by > Clear channel will have their bandwidth cut to just 5khz to allow > for IBOC ?? Is this True ? Well, sort of. First of all, Clear Channel's AM bandwidth restriction only applies to stations which are using digital audio processors, such as the Optimod 9200 or Omnia series. CC stations still using analog processors, such as CRL or Optimod 9100-series, are most likely still using full 10 kHz bandwidth, because it is difficult or even impossible to modify these processors to a lower audio bandwidth. (One example of this is 1360 WNNJ, a CC-owned Oldies station in northern NJ, which is still transmitting crisp 10 kHz audio.) That being said, a large majority of CC's AM stations have reduced their audio bandwidth. The official CC policy is 6 kHz bandwidth for music stations, and 5 kHz for talk stations. However, it seems that CC-owned AM stations which currently transmit IBOC are actually using a 4.5 kHz audio bandwidth, which is necessary to meet iBiquity's recommended spectral mask for AM IBOC stations. This includes 810 WGY, 1180 WHAM, and 1510 WLAC. Needless to say, 4.5 kHz audio on AM sounds very, very dull! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Mar 22 18:28:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85245 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2005 02:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2005 02:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2005 02:28:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:28:42 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.204 by BAY101-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:28:41 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:28:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2005 02:28:42.0045 (UTC) FILETIME=[078C46D0:01C52F50] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: All clear channel AM stations reduced to 5khz ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: >CC stations still using analog processors, such as CRL or Optimod 9100-series, are most likely still using full 10 kHz bandwidth, because it is difficult or even impossible to modify these processors to a lower audio bandwidth. It is a snap to change the bandwidth of the Optimod 9100x boxes! The filter card kit for these Optimods comes with user selectable bandwidth...or remove the card for full fidelity. If Cheap Channel is using the CRL MBL-100/AMIGO HF/AMIGO TALK processor, 5Khz is only a switch flip away! It isn't a big deal to change the PMC-450, or the CRL NRSC filter box. Now, the Optimod 9000 is a different story! LOL Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 22 22:34:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13450 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2005 06:34:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2005 06:34:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2005 06:34:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2005 06:34:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2005 06:34:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:34:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 563 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.88.2 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: All clear channel AM stations reduced to 5khz ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It is a snap to change the bandwidth of the Optimod 9100x boxes! But you still have to take the processor out of service and open it up to do the bandwidth change. On the 9200 (or Omnia), you just push a button on the front panel, and it's done without even interrupting the station's audio. > Now, the Optimod 9000 is a different story! LOL With that old beast, all they'd have to do is switch it into "night" mode. Bob Orban's original idea for AM audio bandwidth was 11 kHz daytime and 5 kHz nighttime, and he built the 9000's filters to match. From radio603@malmo2.net Wed Mar 23 04:12:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47267 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2005 12:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2005 12:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.bredband2.net) (82.209.166.11) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2005 12:11:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 14949 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2005 12:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO roy) ([82.209.145.147]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Mar 2005 12:11:00 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c52fa1$c7a756c0$9391d152@bredband2.com> To: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:13:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Originating-IP: 82.209.166.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: radionord603am.cjb X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Malm=F6, Sverige, Sweden. 24/03 -05. B=E4sta V=E4nner, det har kommit en del e-mail till mig ang. den lediga am-frekvensen 756 kHz= . =C5land. 10 kW. Fr=E5gan har varit hur man ans=F6ker detta tillst=E5nd. Ans=F6kan skall vara inne senast den 29/4 -05. Se ovanst=E5ende pdf-filer f= =F6r ans=F6kan. Sedan m=E5ste ni klara det sj=E4lv.... Ang. v=E5rt eget tillst=E5nd kommer vi under dagarna testa v=E5r mobila enh= et med antenn,s=E4ndare 500/1500watt. N=E4r det fungerar kommer vi att k=F6ra upp till =C5land, d=E4r vi hyrt mar= k f=F6r hela anl=E4ggningen, ca 30 km norr om Mariehamn. Planerad start i b= =F6rjan av April. Planerad =F6kad effekt till 50 kW. 2006. Om du inte f=E5r tillst=E5nd, =E4r vi positiva att hyra ut s=E4ndningstid e= nl. den lista som finns p=E5 v=E5r tillf=E4lliga hemsida. 603 kHz =E4r en av de b=E4sta frekvenserna i norden, kan s=E4nda upp till 3= 00 kW In English; A lot of questions about how to get the second frequency had reached my e-m= ail. 756 khz 10 kW. The PDF-files are in Swedish, so you need some help from swedish speaking f= riends. Deadline is April 29 2005. If you don't get the licence, get some airtime from us. The link is tempora= ry for a few months. About 603 kHz; This week we are testing our mobile unit of antenna, atu and transmitter. 5= 00/1500 watt. Planned power 50 kW in the year of 2006. When everything are tuned to the best we go for =C5land. We are hiring some piece of land north west of Mariehamn, about 30km from t= he city. 603 kHz is one of the best frequencies of the Nordic countries, is coordina= ted to 300 kW. Have a nice Easter..... Best From Roy Sandgren Radio 603 am. Gl=F6m ej, med 100kW i DRM am digital, n=E5r vi 1000km dagtid i FM-stereo k= valit=E9. Med en RIZ mobil station. Don't forget, with a power of 100kW in DRM Digital am www.drm.org we reach= 1000km radius daytime.With a RIZ mobile station. http://radionord603am.cjb.net/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Mar 23 04:50:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37503 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2005 12:50:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2005 12:50:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2005 12:50:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2005 12:49:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2005 12:49:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:49:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 994 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.163.100.196 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: All clear channel AM stations reduced to 5khz ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > Well, sort of. First of all, Clear Channel's AM bandwidth > restriction only applies to stations which are using digital audio > processors, such as the Optimod 9200 or Omnia series. I never let the 'cat out of the bag' on this board, because I know there is a heavy anti-CC sentiment here, but until last month, I was working part time on air at a CC Rock station in Miami (WZTA/94.9)..They went Spanish/"Hurban", and let me go (They went "Hurban", what a surprise). Anyways, I spent many a morning 'hanging out' at the studio of their WIOD/610, and hearing them through their on air monitor, they were putting out excellent full frequency audio. I actually brought it up to one of their engineers "hey, didn't Littlejohn want you to reduce bandwidth?", and I never got a concrete answer. Could never find out if they had transitioned to the newer processing gear or not, but I know that they were making imminent preparations throughout the cluster to go HD. --tony s. From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Wed Mar 23 09:59:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39700 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2005 17:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2005 17:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.172) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2005 17:59:38 -0000 Received: from user-5862.l5.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk ([84.64.22.230] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DEA8d-0006wm-Ms for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:59:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:59:28 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-Originating-IP: 195.92.195.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: Radio Nord X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Roy, What about the other Radio Nord at; www.radionord.fi who it seems are intending to broadcast in AM Stereo from the same location as yourself? They are even featuring 'new' AMS intro's! -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Mar 23 13:45:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18821 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2005 21:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2005 21:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2005 21:45:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 92951 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Mar 2005 21:45:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=1npUr2q0UvCYzqUdoIeDUkwklapRv/4qSycP43MguoTlH4H2frpjkwWansAkMf0te6R9XEI9mfkBdBdLuynyhfsRaZrDgGeW+xHP7s/9s2DnXa1bsaFOf0FQJ0CqmLAHWejvSor9Tha/wu8HEOaaxirrjUek9esOCDHbdsaE/Xg= ; Message-ID: <20050323214519.92946.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.133] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:45:19 PST Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:45:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.116 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: All clear channel AM stations reduced to 5khz ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW columbia SC: WVOC 560 has a 9100 and a Gates 1. No restricted audio. The Gates 1 / 5 series can not properly run IBOC. It runs way too wide. WCOS 1400 running IBOC on an older Nautel and a 9200. The audio on a receiver that has response past 2 kilohertz is PAINful to listen to. An old phone has better audio response. Powell powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Mar 23 17:07:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 43014 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2005 01:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2005 01:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2005 01:07:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2005 01:07:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2005 01:07:08 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12484 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2005 18:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2005 18:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2005 18:25:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2005 18:25:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2005 18:25:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:25:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1428 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.105.108.90 From: "pianoplayer88key" Subject: Re: All clear channel AM stations reduced to 5khz ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 24 Mar 2005 01:07:04 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > It is a snap to change the bandwidth of the Optimod 9100x boxes! > > But you still have to take the processor out of service and open it > up to do the bandwidth change. On the 9200 (or Omnia), you just push > a button on the front panel, and it's done without even interrupting > the station's audio. > > > Now, the Optimod 9000 is a different story! LOL > > With that old beast, all they'd have to do is switch it into "night" > mode. Bob Orban's original idea for AM audio bandwidth was 11 kHz > daytime and 5 kHz nighttime, and he built the 9000's filters to > match. Here's my idea for AM audio bandwidth (subject to change): bandwidth is modified at the receiver, not the transmitter. All AM receivers use 6-element IF filters with multiple switchable circuts (except those extremely tiny ones like one you might cram into a wristwatch that wouldn't have room for those) Maximum bandwidth (15 or 20kHz) would be used for reception on strong locals or distant ones while you're "out in the middle of nowhere". If you were having problems with selectivity, you might select 10kHz for a semi-moderate case, 7.5kHz for a quite moderate case, or 5kHz for a severe case. (maybe even as low as 2 or 3kHz, if, say, for example, you were right under a 50kW transmitter and trying to do transpacific DX on a less-than-adjacent channel.) From radio603@malmo2.net Wed Mar 23 23:43:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67253 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2005 07:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2005 07:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.bredband2.net) (82.209.166.11) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2005 07:43:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 27655 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2005 07:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO roy) ([82.209.145.147]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Mar 2005 07:43:14 -0000 Message-ID: <00ce01c53045$8a855e00$9391d152@bredband2.com> To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:46:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Originating-IP: 82.209.166.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Nord X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 They don't have the licence yet, perhaps more than one is intressed. You can get it if you want, roy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Philip de Cadenet" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 6:59 PM Subject: {AMSF} Radio Nord >=20 > Roy, >=20 > What about the other Radio Nord at; www.radionord.fi who it seems are=20 > intending to broadcast in AM Stereo from the same location as yourself? > They are even featuring 'new' AMS intro's! > --=20 > Philip de Cadenet > Transmitters 'R' Us > http://www.transmittersrus.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > Yahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 2005-03-23 >=20 >=20 From dougharding@bellsouth.net Fri Mar 25 05:24:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63433 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2005 13:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2005 13:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2005 13:24:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2005 13:23:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2005 13:23:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:22:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 630 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.6.205.68 From: "douglasharding" Subject: Re: All clear channel AM stations reduced to 5khz ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Anthony this is bad news. I listen to WIOD all the time and as of now they are still full bandwidth. They sound like FM on my Fanfare and Carver tuners and on my Ford car radio. The minute they narrow the bandwidth I will delete them from my radio buttons just like I did WQAM. I am just glad I also have Sirius satellite radio in my car. I can see the day when Sirius is all I listen to. Sorry to hear you lost your job. I could not believe it when I fliped on Zeta a couple of weeks ago and heard that Spanish crap. but I > know that they were making imminent preparations throughout the > cluster to go HD. > > --tony s. From starship_2001@msn.com Sat Mar 26 05:11:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13763 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2005 13:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2005 13:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2005 13:11:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:11:12 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by BAY106-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:11:11 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, ABDX@topica.com Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:11:11 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2005 13:11:12.0771 (UTC) FILETIME=[48CF7D30:01C53205] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Sony CMT-NE3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Yesterday i went to look for a shelf stereo that was small enough to put in= the back bedroom and have AUX IN for XM and be able to play cassettes and = CDs . I ended up picking up a sony CMT-NE3 micro component system (labled = on instructions). When i tried the AM section i got a big surprise. a HOT = AM section. The stereo came with an AM loop antenna with AM antenna termina= ls . The graveyard channels were packed . This has high sensativity and gav= e my GE SR 2 a run except the GE SR 2 was a little more selective on ajacen= t channels near very strong AM signals. Thi morning at 7:30 AM EST WTOP 15= 00 was booming in well after local sunrise. also WVNG 1160 was booming in. = Noise filtering is also good on this. Wen i DX with my GE SR 2 i have to sh= ut power off to the house or i have a on of noise all over the dial. Not on= this i had the TV running , microwave, The air cleaner with ionizer thing = and these things did not affect the AM reception I was tuned into 740 AM f= rom Toronto listening to Bandstand for a couple hours last night. Also good= at holding skywave signals won't let go until it really goes into a deep f= ade and i only had one deep fade in two hours time. Sound quality is decen= t on the AM side too . When WBZ and WOR turned on their IBOC this morning i= found it filters down the sideband hash so it doesn't come grinding into y= our ears like it does on the GE SR 2 for example. The only thing i found to= be desired was it would be nice if this could be converted to AM STEREO . = =20=20 From brucec@mindspring.com Sat Mar 26 06:15:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51857 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2005 14:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2005 14:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2005 14:15:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2005 14:15:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2005 14:15:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:15:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1437 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.153.20.110 From: "Bruce Carter" Subject: KOA IBOC --- X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I just got back from a trip to Denver, and I had packed a GE Superradio 3. Denver appears to have two IBOC stations. KOA was the one I listened to. First off - IBOC "hiss" is more like an ocean in a full gale force wind. When I first turned on the radio, I thought I was in a high interference area, because it just happened to be on 860. KOA is 850. I heard the same interference on 840. I clearly heard the "birdies" on 830 and 870. KOA must have very good antenna phase, because there was little self-jamming in wide mode, but it was still audible. In narrow mode, the self-jamming was not reduced all that much, which just goes to prove that there is no such thing as a "brick wall" low pass filter at 3 or 4 kHz. The response rolls off slowly, allowing higher frequencies to pass. The nature of self- jamming appears to give those particular high frequency components more energy than true program audio, so the radio's narrow IF roll- off is not as effective as it would be for normal program audio. The main program audio has very unpleasant phase distortion - as predicted. I found the spreading of audio components in speech a bit surrealistic - it sounds like they are talking in a bucket or something. I would love to put a spectrum analyzer on it! After the initial curioscity - I found that listener fatigue sets in and the effect is unpleasant. Station range is great - about 380 miles. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Mar 26 08:25:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48317 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2005 16:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2005 16:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2005 16:25:07 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.238]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:24:22 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01c53220$c8523460$d503fea9@home1> To: Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:27:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2005 16:24:23.0664 (UTC) FILETIME=[45856700:01C53220] X-Originating-IP: 67.41.129.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Fw: Bad Radio Joke] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Thought this one was good enough to pass on. Looks like a number of Salem stations are suffering interference from nearby IBOC stations- KFIA, 710 is getting nicked by KCBS 740 in parts of what's supposed to be their 2mV interference-free contour, and in Atlanta, WGKA 1190 is suffering from an IBOC station on 1160. The same engineer who posted the joke on the internal engineering list said that WNTP 990 would be clobbered at night if WMVP 1000 started running if the FCC ever allowed 24hr IBOC operation. Corporate is aware of the problem and it'll be rather interesting to see what action they take on these and others. Scott Todd > > What do you take for a bad case of IBOC? > > An anti-hissssss-tamine! > Rene' F. Tetro > Chief Engineer > WNTP/WFIL From Bossmsx@aol.com Sat Mar 26 09:01:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43876 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2005 17:01:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2005 17:01:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2005 17:01:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2005 17:01:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2005 17:01:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:00:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1275 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.188.116.196 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: KOA IBOC --- X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > I just got back from a trip to Denver, and I had packed a > GE Superradio 3. Denver appears to have two IBOC stations. Actually there are more than 2, according to www.hd-radio.com, there are like 4 or so...KOA, KKZN/760, and a couple of graveyarders...Also KPOF/910....FM also has quite a few, with KUVO being a testing ground for Surround Sound. I actually got to hear HD on FM the other day, at the noncomm I'm volunteering at now here in Miami...(Dodging bullets)..Don't knock it until you've tried it...At 96kbps, it's actually better to my ears than the Eureka I heard in Canada at 224kbps. Our station sounds exceptionally good compared to the others, probably because we're still playing our music on CDs, and all our stored audio is noncompressed .wavs. Could not hear AM because there was no antenna for it. Signalwise, I actually found that the stations on the Candelabra tower in Broward County (marked on radio-locator.com as not having 'very strong' signals) at my QTH in the Southern area of Dade county, did hold up quite well with a digital signal. Receiver was a Kenwood car stereo modified for non car use, with over the counter mini speakers. -tony From Bossmsx@aol.com Sat Mar 26 09:02:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50889 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2005 17:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2005 17:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2005 17:02:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2005 17:02:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2005 17:02:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:02:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001b01c53220$c8523460$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 403 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.188.116.196 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: Fw: Bad Radio Joke] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 What's the status on that 1160 in Atlanta and IBOC there?? I emailed them some time back and they told me they had temporarily disabled it waiting for a software upgrade..On www.hd-radio.com they're listed as committed but not on. On a side note, 'props' to Salem for actually trying a music format on 1190....Makes me happy when someone spins tunes on MW, whether or not they're C-QUAM. --tony. From stodd@mailpobox.com Sat Mar 26 09:52:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1809 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2005 17:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2005 17:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2005 17:52:43 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.211.238]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:52:40 -0700 Message-ID: <003b01c5322d$1e2e6000$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:56:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2005 17:52:41.0258 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B2218A0:01C5322C] X-Originating-IP: 67.41.129.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: Bad Radio Joke] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Our Atlanta engineer reports it being on now. Salem has only a handful of AM music stations. Most are talk or religious. They're all full bandwidth, AFAIK. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony" > What's the status on that 1160 in Atlanta and IBOC there?? I emailed > them some time back and they told me they had temporarily disabled it > waiting for a software upgrade..On www.hd-radio.com they're listed as > committed but not on. > > On a side note, 'props' to Salem for actually trying a music format on > 1190....Makes me happy when someone spins tunes on MW, whether or not > they're C-QUAM. From badeditpro@cox.net Sat Mar 26 12:12:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29213 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2005 20:12:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2005 20:12:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.240.29) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2005 20:12:17 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.0.17.189]) by lakermmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050326201210.VKLV29924.lakermmtao10.cox.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:12:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c53240$18e2ce20$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:12:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: CRL SPP-800 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang, Does anybody know where I might find a service manual for a CRL SPP-800 on-line? I checked out CRL's site but they don't seem to post the manuals like Orban does... Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sat Mar 26 16:16:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30105 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2005 00:16:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2005 00:16:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2005 00:16:43 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBEM84GAJRPD4S for (sender ); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:16:06 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLO7g3Psv7TBTdJb9rZs7MRQ= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KN3CU77L; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:15:25 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:03:57 -0800 Message-ID: <20050326.161417.2572.0.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4 X-ContentStamp: 2:1:1594101234 X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn During my monthly trek to Los Angeles today I found not one am station with IBOC turned on. There were several with audio bandwidth limited at 5 kHz. Don From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 26 18:11:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68106 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2005 02:11:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2005 02:11:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2005 02:11:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2005 02:11:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2005 02:11:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 02:10:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c53240$18e2ce20$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 829 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.130.156.144 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: CRL SPP-800 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Does anybody know where I might find a service manual for a CRL > SPP-800 on-line? I checked out CRL's site but they don't seem to > post the manuals like Orban does... I have the equivalent mono model (the APP-400, which uses the same circuit board as the stereo SPP-800, just with half the components missing!) and when I tried to find a manual for it I was quoted a price of $40, which seems a bit high since I only paid $65 for the whole thing! Thankfully it's a fairly simple and foolproof unit... I recommend adjusting the input level so the loudest audio you can feed into it just barely makes the red "OVLD" lights flicker, and a good starting point for the controls is G/R -9 dB, EQ at 12 o'clock, Gate off, and M (Medium) mode. If you're having any problems with it, just ask here and we'll try to help. From badeditpro@cox.net Sat Mar 26 19:12:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92270 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2005 03:12:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2005 03:12:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2005 03:12:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2005 03:12:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2005 03:12:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 03:12:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3040 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: CRL SPP-800 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I have the equivalent mono model (the APP-400, which uses the same=20 > circuit board as the stereo SPP-800, just with half the components=20 > missing!) and when I tried to find a manual for it I was quoted a=20 > price of $40, which seems a bit high since I only paid $65 for the=20 > whole thing! Thankfully it's a fairly simple and foolproof unit... > I recommend adjusting the input level so the loudest audio you can=20 > feed into it just barely makes the red "OVLD" lights flicker, and a=20 > good starting point for the controls is G/R -9 dB, EQ at 12 o'clock,=20 > Gate off, and M (Medium) mode. If you're having any problems with=20 > it, just ask here and we'll try to help. Kevin, Thanks for the heads up about the manual=85 I was hoping to be able to download a PDF in case I wanted to do any mods down the road but at $40 bucks a pop, I'll just wing it! I've used CRL stuff for years in radio stations so I'm very familiar with the setup procedures. Give this a try and see how it works out for you.=20=20 Set the G/R control to `0.' (This may be `Proof' on your unit. It`s been a long time since I have played with one of these and I can`t remember exactly what the front panel is labeled on an APP-400. I know it`s the next notch below -3 dB G/R, though=85) Now, feed program audio to the unit at normal operating levels. If you are using a board with meters to drive it then you'd adjust the audio until the VU meters are peaking just to 0 VU. Now, adjust the input level control on the unit to a point where the little alignment LED on the back just blinks on peaks. You can also do this with a 400 Hz tone. Set the tone level on the board to 0 VU and adjust the inputs to where the alignment LED just starts to light. If you push it past that point, there will be a little bit of input range where the LED gets brighter. I always found the happy medium between the light being completely out and fully illuminated and that always worked quite well. If you don't have any meters in line, like you're using it on your stereo on a tape loop, find a CD with medium output levels and do the same thing as you would with program material peaking to `0' VU. This will give you a happy medium. CD's usually have an output variance if around 6 dB from disc to disc so 9 dB of G/R is a great setting for that application. Now when ever you want to adjust G/R you'll have a direct correlation between what the knob is pointing to the on the CRL and the lowest level you can run your VU's before the output audio starts to drop.=20 So, if you dial up 6 dB of G/R, you'll have 6 dB of compression and 25 dB of headroom before the unit overloads. Cool huh? This unit is going to be in my home studio. I was really hankering for a CBS unit but I couldn't track down a stereo Audimax so I picked up the CRL on eBay. I think it will be cool because I'll be able to adjust G/R for different applications whereas you really can't do that with a CBS=85=20 :) JC From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Mar 27 06:12:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52700 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2005 14:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2005 14:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2005 14:11:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2005 14:11:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2005 14:11:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:11:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 926 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.163.100.196 From: "Anthony" Subject: Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Bringing up the CRL leads me to ask a question: Those of you who have worked with Processors here on the list... What do you prefer?? CRL or Optimod?? There seems to be a heated debate on this, and I have a boss at my fulltime job that calls CRL "Crappy Radio Limiters". Seems to me that CRL has a better 'slate', if you will, when it comes to processing for AM Stereo, but the stuff I've heard, at least when it comes to Mono AM and CRL is, well, hideous, to say the least. Then you have the 'new kid in town', Omnia, which has made quite a name for himself (the "him" being Frank Foti), and with good reason...What do you all think of these, if you've had a chance to work with them?? (Sidebar question: Are the Omnia AM processors Stereo capable?? I know the newer Optimods are strictly Mono, but I have a 'hint' that the new Omnias have been made with some flexibility to be used with Stereo.) --Tony/Miami From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Mar 27 06:25:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93228 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2005 14:25:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2005 14:25:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2005 14:25:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2005 14:25:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2005 14:25:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:24:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 427 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.161.41.93 From: "wgliradio" Subject: Re: Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > Bringing up the CRL leads me to ask a question: > > Those of you who have worked with Processors here on the list... > > What do you prefer?? CRL or Optimod?? There isn't a better processor for peak control than the 9100's. Period. The 9200 ONLY WITH the latest software would be second. The Omnia 5-EX third followed by the CRL PMC 450/950. From badeditpro@cox.net Sun Mar 27 09:41:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56215 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2005 17:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2005 17:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2005 17:41:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2005 17:41:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2005 17:41:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:41:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2226 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > Bringing up the CRL leads me to ask a question: > > Those of you who have worked with Processors here on the list... > The best sounding audio processor for AM is the Inovonics 235. Period. Unfortunately, it is not available in a stereo configuration. Even so, I used one of those along with a CRL APP-300 at the studio for a country music formatted station and the audio was stunning! The 235 has an AGC in it that you cannot defeat so I only drove the CRL to 3 dB of G/R. That was just enough to protect the STL with out coloring the audio too much. We sounded every bit as good or better than many of the FM's in the market when you were listening on a good radio. I took many phone calls from amazed listeners who could not believe how good our station sounded. For AM Stereo, The best choice is the Optimod 9100/B. The real trick is getting the audio out to the Optimod. I would use a CRL SPP-800 or CBS Audimax to provide STL protection and then be sure to turn off the AGC in the Optimod at the transmitter so they would not fight one another. The 9100's service manual is must reading for anyone who is interested in audio processing. It is much more then setup instructions because Orban takes the time to really break down the intricacies of good audio. You can download a PDF of it at www.orban.com. CRL is probably the most misunderstood brand of processing out there. They have really gotten a bad rap mainly because of their limiter design. Their limiters really shred the audio and can even cause HF overload is older tube type transmitters. There are some DIP switches in the unit that you can flip to change the process priority from clipping to limiting but it only helps a little. Conversely, the AGC's are wonderful and after you have worked with them a while under different circumstances, you can learn how to anticipate what they will sound like and set them up to be almost invisible. I have always changed out the CRL limiters for Inovonics 222's. The trick is to not drive the 222 to the point where its `platform limiting' function kicks in. CRL/Inovonics combos sound great when setup properly. From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Mar 27 15:28:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68499 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2005 23:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2005 23:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2005 23:28:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2005 23:27:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2005 23:27:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 23:27:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 216 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.163.28.167 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > The best sounding audio processor for AM is the Inovonics 235. > Period. I'm surprised you like the Innovonics...Most people I've asked about that one don't really think much, if anything, of that name. --tony From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Mar 27 15:56:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74729 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2005 23:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2005 23:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2005 23:56:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2005 23:56:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2005 23:56:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 23:55:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2788 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 151.204.157.236 From: "wgliradio" Subject: Re: Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: > The best sounding audio processor for AM is the Inovonics 235. Period. > Unfortunately, it is not available in a stereo configuration. Even > so, I used one of those along with a CRL APP-300 at the studio for a > country music formatted station and the audio was stunning! The 235 > has an AGC in it that you cannot defeat so I only drove the CRL to 3 > dB of G/R. That was just enough to protect the STL with out coloring > the audio too much. We sounded every bit as good or better than many > of the FM's in the market when you were listening on a good radio. I > took many phone calls from amazed listeners who could not believe how > good our station sounded. I have never tried the 235, however, a colleague has and says it is not a loudness box. The 222 limiter is also a problematic design. The LPF/Overshoot clipper is well designed, however both the wideband peak limiter and the HF pre-emphasis limiter destroy and smear the audio. If you're seeing ANY type of activity in the wideband limiter. .. even a flicker... you've gone too far. The 222 should have been designed so each stage had an input drive level, so you could trade off one stage for another. A little goes a long way with the 222 and, unless you are using it strictly for LPF and clipping, with a competent limiter ahead of it, it's almost useless. The CRL limiters can shred the audio. One thing I don't like about the PMC-450 is the AGC stage in front of the peak limiter (which acts more like a clipper even though CRL uses the word limiter). The AGC is either a wideband or a split band design (can't remember) that introduces alot of IM, yet, it really needs this to be engaged a little in order to build up enough density for loudness without leaning too hard on the clipper/limiter for any type of competitive audio. The bass in the PMC series also leaves alot to be desired. Another CRL problem is the fact that most of their support processors take a step backwards with each design improvements. While the limiters have gotten better, the SEP-400/SEP-800 was their best multiband compressor design. The SEC series sounds terrible... not musical at all. The APP-300 (a wideband product no less) was probably their best approach at an AGC. The APP-400/800 (wide-dual band structure) and AGC-400/800 (selectable wide/wide-dual/dual band structure) did not keep the natural sound of the original. The best mono AM CRL chain would be the APP-300 / SEP-400A / PMC-450. Use the SEP and DEP processors in the SEP-400 to build alot of density. Try not to use too much (or any) of the AGC circuit in the PMC-450... but see if you can get away with only a +2 setting for the limiter. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 27 16:54:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7339 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2005 00:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2005 00:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2005 00:54:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 00:53:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 00:53:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 00:52:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1612 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.72.6 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > CRL is probably the most misunderstood brand of processing out > there. The best thing about CRL equipment right now is that it's fairly common on the used market and if you know where to look you can get it quite inexpensively. For example, why spend $300+ on a used Aphex Compellor when you can get a CRL AGC for as low as 1/4th of that price and it will work just as well? Another great CRL product to look out for is any one of the Spectral Energy Processor (SEP) series, with the old "Mr. Roboto" front panel styling. These are _excellent_ multiband compressor/limiters which can really help to spice up your audio. In the late '80s, CRL replaced these with the Spectral Energy Compressor (SEC) series which unfortunately aren't quite as good. So while CRL was never really at the top of their class, today we can actually benefit from their lack of notoriety because there seem to be a lot of people who pull old CRL equipment out of service and then sell it very cheaply on eBay because they just think it's old junk. It also helps that CRL gear hasn't gained much popularity in recording studios, unlike the vintage stuff from CBS, Gates, UREI, etc. which was once almost worthless but now commands high resale values because they are coveted by musicians and studio engineers. But I'm careful not to praise CRL's good equipment too much, or else if too many people start to catch onto it, then its resale value will skyrocket... just ask anyone who could barely sell a CBS Audimax for $50 back in the '80s, but now can easily fetch $500+ for a tube model in good condition! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 27 17:16:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95968 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2005 01:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2005 01:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2005 01:16:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 01:16:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 01:16:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 01:15:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1815 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.72.6 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The CRL limiters can shred the audio. One thing I don't like about > the PMC-450 is the AGC stage in front of the peak limiter (which > acts more like a clipper even though CRL uses the word limiter). Be sure to check out the modification I posted here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/message/19389 I was ready to give up on my CRL AM Stereo Matrix Processor because of how bad its clipping distortion was. The problem isn't in the interent design of the limiter or clipper, it's just that they don't give you an adjustable drive level to the clipper, so if you crank up the limiting, you also crank up the clipping, which gives you that nasty distortion. So, the modification is so easy: just cut out the resistor which CRL used to set their default clipping level, and replace it with either a fixed resistor or a potentiometer, so you can set _your_ choice of clipping level. And it's easy to fine-tune; on the front panel there's a red "limit" LED (two on the stereo models), which illuminates whenever the clipper is active. In the stock configuration, at higher processing levels this clipping LED will be lit up almost all the time! But if you crank up the limiting and then back off on the clipping so that the LED is only intermittently flickering, then you'll have very loud and dense audio _without_ all the distortion. I think CRL finally incorporated this revised clipping level into their Amigo AM processor, but their earlier mono and stereo AM limiters can really benefit from this quick and easy modification. And speaking of which, CRL/Orban will have the Amigo AM and Amigo FM processors on display at the NAB show this year... so if you want to turn some heads, forget about the fancy new Optimods and instead give the erstwhile CRL boxes a try! From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Mar 27 17:58:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82495 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2005 01:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2005 01:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2005 01:58:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 01:58:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 01:58:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 01:57:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 627 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.188.116.196 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > recording studios, unlike the vintage stuff from CBS, Gates, UREI, Amen on the Urei...The 1176...We have several at Marti....I *swear* by it whenever I can use it in production...There was an AM here in this area that had it in its audio chain, albeit Mono, and they sounded real good. But I'm probably not saying anything that's not already known, as the 1176 has been "soup of the day" for quite a while. Someone I worked with at my ex part time job at Clear Channel says they now have a 'virtual' 1176 for use with ProTools (or maybe even other 'workstation' programs??) Haven't had a chance to try it. --tony From badeditpro@cox.net Sun Mar 27 19:55:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52588 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2005 03:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2005 03:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao07.cox.net) (68.230.240.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2005 03:55:15 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.0.17.189]) by lakermmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050328035513.DQUX19214.lakermmtao07.cox.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:55:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c53349$f2cc4670$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:55:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Re: Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I'm surprised you like the Innovonics...Most people I've asked about >that one don't really think much, if anything, of that name. **** >I have never tried the 235, however, a colleague has and says it is >not a loudness box. Inovonics is simple gear that works very well. It is not trendy or 'cutting edge' so it does not get a whole lot of attention, good or bad. But, it is reliable and inexpensive. Not every one of their products is up to par but the 235 is. If you have an AM station with a music format that sometimes does talk programming and you want to sound good for not a lot of money, the 235 is the way to go. It is only my opinion but I stand by my assertion that the 235 is the best sounding AM processor available. It is certainly not the loudest, thank God. The 235 is not made to make AM loud. It is made to sound good! I have never been a loudness freak so the clean, crisp, smooth sound appeals to me. None of the latest crop of processors sounds very good to my ears. They sound harsh and unmusical even on talk programming! Overall, radio sounds awful most of the time because PD's and CE's are always trying to be the loudest thing on the dial. Now, I certainly don't want to be under modulating but trying to squash the audio to the point of flagrant distortion just to appear a quarter of a dB louder than the other guy is counter productive. Really loud audio causes listener fatigue. Sure, you may jump right out of the dashboard when they tune across to you but how long will it be before they get tired of hearing 'all frequencies all the time' as someone put it on this forum? >The 222 limiter is also a problematic design. The LPF/Overshoot clipper >is well designed, however both the wideband >peak limiter and the HF pre-emphasis limiter destroy and smear the >audio. If you're seeing ANY type of activity in the wideband limiter. >.. even a flicker... you've gone too far. The 222 should have been >designed so each stage had an input drive level, so you could trade >off one stage for another. A little goes a long way with the 222 and, >unless you are using it strictly for LPF and clipping, with a >competent limiter ahead of it, it's almost useless. The 222 was designed to be a direct replacement for the CBS Volumax. It was engineered as an inexpensive way to meet the NRSC standard. It is what it is. The wideband limiter is nasty as all get out if it is driven too hard. I won't argue that point with you. However, I disagree that ANY activity is going too far. If you are driving it with dynamic audio, like what you would get out of a stand alone APP-300 or CBS Audimax, you can have it run as much as 2 dB of limiting before you'd start to hear any artifacts. That is if the meter jumps to 2 dB on big peaks only some of the time, though. If that meter is staying lit all the time that means that the platform function has kicked in and it is really working the audio. No, that setup won't make you loud but you'll be constantly modulating to 100% and you'll be very clean and clear. If you are using any sort of multi-band processing in front of a 222 ANY wideband limiting will be too much because you'll hear the holes being punched in the audio. The multi-band processor will upset the natural EQ of both speech and music and it will accentuate both the high and low end frequencies in unexpected places. The result is that the 222 limiter will kick in at times when a hard limit function would not be suitable at all and the HF limiter is going to work overtime as well. This is a very good example of why I am not a big fan of multi-band processing. I can deal with two or three bands but any thing beyond that becomes somewhat unpredictable. I kind of like the way the 222 handles high end. Yes, it does smear things a bit sometimes but mostly it is very clean and does not add a great deal of clipping distortion to the audio. It all depends on how hard you hit it. In general, I want the sound of a radio station to be competitive but also convey the true 'feel' of whatever music or speech is on the air at any given time. I think that translates to a perceived sense of true quality to the sound and it tends to make listeners want to hang around for a while. I like simple audio paths with no redundant stages. I like logical steps in the audio chain that perform their respective function without calling too much attention to themselves. I have two peeves with the 235: You cannot defeat the AGC for split site operation and it is not available for stereo. Other than that, it's audio is superb. It just plain sounds good no matter what you put through it. Also, it is a breeze to setup and adjust. I had it sounding exactly the way I wanted it to in the first couple of days it was in service. Hey, I'm really enjoying this discussion! Thanks! :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Mar 27 20:23:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18728 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2005 04:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2005 04:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2005 04:23:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 04:23:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 04:23:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 04:23:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 864 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 151.204.157.236 From: "wgliradio" Subject: Re: Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > So while CRL was never really at the top of their class, today we can > Actually, the CRL gear cost about as much and in some cases more than Orban 1988 Broadcast Electronics Catalog FM: CRL FM-4 Airchain (SPP-800 / SEP-800 / SMP-800 / SG-800) $7300 Orban Optimod 8100A/1 $4995 Orban Optimod 8100A/XT2 6 band add on limiter $2075 AM: CRL AM-4 Stereo Airchain (SPP-800 / SEP-800 / SMP-900) $5750 Orban Optimod 9100B (for CQUAM Stereo) $5995 (mono) $4395 Also of note: BE AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter $5500 BE AS-10 AM Stereo Modulation Monitor $4500 BE AX-10-977-0001 Spare Parts kit for exciter $135.00 BE AS-10-907-0060 12kHz LPF when a LPF is not used in processing equipment (remember, pre-NRSC) $275.00 BEI Installation and calibration of above equipment $12000 From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Mar 27 21:01:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39063 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2005 05:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2005 05:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2005 05:01:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 05:01:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 05:01:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 05:00:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c53349$f2cc4670$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6766 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 151.204.157.236 From: "wgliradio" Subject: Re: Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" wrote: Inovonics is simple gear that works very well. It is not trendy or 'cutting edge' so it does not get a whole lot of attention, good or bad. But, it is reliable and inexpensive. Not every one of their products is up to par but the 235 is. If you have an AM station with a music format that sometimes does talk programming and you want to sound good for not a lot of money, the 235 is the way to go. It is only my opinion but I stand by my assertion that the 235 is the best sounding AM processor available. It is certainly not the loudest, thank God. =========== Understood, however, where rubber meets the road is loudness. When you have management wanting you to be the loudest, Inovonics, for AM, is not where you'll want to go. You can sound great with any number of boxes out there in the second tier... Hnat Hindes is another that comes to mind.. but none of it is any good in any competitive situation and that means 9100. > The 235 is not made to make AM loud. It is made to sound good! You can get alot of boxes to sound good. In non-competitive situations, I've had alot of good airchains that didn't blow the doors off but sounded really smooth and consistant and open. Some have included the 222 where loudness wasn't what was needed, just a protective limiter. >None of the latest crop of processors sounds very good to my ears. It's all in how it is adjusted. If you backed off the clippers to the point where average mod matched what you would expect out of the 222, the audio would open up and I think you would be quite amazed at what the new boxes (and even the 9100) can do. >They sound harsh and unmusical even on talk programming! Overall, radio sounds awful most of the time because PD's and CE's are always trying to be the loudest thing on the dial< For me, it's more of a PD thing. It's never my choice to introduce distortion for an extra dB. > > The 222 was designed to be a direct replacement for the CBS Volumax. It was engineered as an inexpensive way to meet the NRSC standard. It is what it is.< Actually it was a more effective replacement for any muli-box chain that needed to replace the peak limiter for NRSC standards. I've also seen it used to simulcast, when the FM audio was picked up right off air and fed directly to the 222. It is inexpensive, it does meet spec, but the CRL idea for replacement (the LPF-300) was a better choice when properly wrapped around a non-NRSC CRL multiband limiter. >The wideband limiter is nasty as all get out if it is driven too hard. I won't argue that point with you. However, I disagree that ANY activity is going too far. If you are driving it with dynamic audio, like what you would get out of a stand alone APP-300 or CBS Audimax, you can have it run as much as 2 dB of limiting before you'd start to hear any artifacts.< Even in laid back situations I don't believe in wideband processing from end to end. I would never run the 222 with a wideband AGC alone. I do believe you need to tailor your audio with some multiband device (3 bands or more, no dual band nonsense) in order to achieve some consistancy and predictability when you're dealing with low-fi radios at the other end. The 222 does sound better and can be driven a bit harder with relaxed audio before it. However, what you gain from not having the audio "mashed", you lose with less consistancy, making the 222 a poor choice in my book. An intersting pairing would be the 222 and the very transparent Arianne AGC... and that may happen someday, somewhere. > If you are using any sort of multi-band processing in front of a 222 ANY wideband limiting will be too much because you'll hear the holes being punched in the audio.< The Hnat Hindes TXL-110 is a limiter designed for AM that is about as transparent as you can get for a wideband peak limiter that is effective. Why couldn't Inovonics come up with something similar (obviously without infringement). It is so obvious to even the untrained ear that the limiter in the Inovonics is much too agressive. > This is a very good example of why I am not a big fan of multi-band processing. I can deal with two or three bands but any thing beyond that becomes somewhat unpredictable. I kind of like the way the 222 handles high end. Yes, it does smear things a bit sometimes but mostly it is very clean and does not add a great deal of clipping distortion to the audio. It all depends on how hard you hit it.< On multiband processing: I have found that the ideal situation is usually or 4 bands of processing. Most digital processors that even have 5 or 6 bands, the Arianne (a 4 band AGC) and the CRL SEP-400 can sound wonderful if placed in the right hands. While lack of multiband processing for FM (think classical) can create a wonderful natural sound that is true to the source, for AM, you really need consistant audio for the reason I stated above... poorly designed radios for the end users. The new digial boxes can really create a distortion free sound for FM while keeping the audio fairly competitive even if it's not the loudest thing on the dial. Most of these boxes have been thought out dozens of times over. There's alot going on under the hood to make sure the audio output is clean, consistant and as loud or relaxed as you want it. Tonal quality is kept in check and the listening experience is pleasant. For AM, the 235 is not for loudness, that we can agree on. My colleague never said it sounded bad, he just claimed it wasn't as loud as he needed to be vs his competition and I agreed. He has achieved a good tradeoff between loudness and clarity with an Omnia box. The 222 could have spent a few more months in planning and probably would have been a better box for about the same price. The TXL-110 has a much better limiter but a poor clipper design. Too bad you can't marry the best of the two boxes. Not a big fan of wideband audio for most cases, but I do understand the purist (and so does Orban, which is why his new $14,000 8500 has a 2-band classical purist setting). I love my audio laid back for FM and somewhat agressive and predictable for AM, but never going for loudness over clarity. The digital boxes are good. Usually, the clarity of the clippers makes people think they can turn them up louder. I like to think they're meant to give you the same loudness you had with a previous box, only make it cleaner and more consistant. It's all in the hands of the end user... and most either don't know what they're doing, have someone pressuring them to make incorrect tradeoffs or have enough time to do it right. 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WSM-AM 650 still has a half-way decent signal into Ohio, but does anybody know if WSM ever has a regular schedule for using their CQuam backup transmitter? I'd love to hear WSM in stereo again, but without giving Sirius $12.95 a month, or being tied to the internet. Too bad they don't still run AM Stereo at WSM as they certainly have the best possible format for it (nice wide stereo mixes from the 60's Classic Country). __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 27 22:46:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42811 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2005 06:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2005 06:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2005 06:46:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 06:45:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 06:45:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:45:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c53349$f2cc4670$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 998 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.72.6 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The 222 was designed to be a direct replacement for the CBS > Volumax. It was engineered as an inexpensive way to meet the NRSC > standard. It is what it is. There's one small AM station in my area that's using an Inovonics 222 and to be honest they sound pretty darn lousy -- although it doesn't help that they're seriously overmodulating their 34-year-old CCA transmitter (I can hear the splatter from their signal up to 40 kHz away on the dial). It was installed to replace a homebrew wideband processor, and although some music would drive that unit into major "pumping", I'd rather hear that effect than all the distortion of an over-squashed, over-modulated signal. Here's a recording of their sign-off announcement... yes, it really did sound that bad on the air! http://www.geocities.com/kevtronics/wkmb/wkmbtony.mp3 Alas, sometimes I think we'd be better off going back to the days when the only processing a station had was manual gain riding and a Gates Sta-Level.... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 27 22:51:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58355 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2005 06:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2005 06:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2005 06:51:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 06:51:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 06:51:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:51:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 298 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.72.6 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Actually, the CRL gear cost about as much and in some cases more > than Orban I meant "not the top of its class" in terms of performance, not price... even today, CRL has inordinately high list prices for their equipment, which could be why CRL/Orban's sales are about 92% Orban and 8% CRL. From badeditpro@cox.net Mon Mar 28 00:46:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96987 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2005 08:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2005 08:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2005 08:46:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 08:45:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 08:45:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:45:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2058 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions WOW! We are on opposite ends of the spectrum! It's very cool, though! = =20 Please don't get me wrong, here. I know that any piece of processing whether it is a Level-Devil from 50 years ago or a brand new Optimod can be made to sound acceptably good if setup properly and used within its limitations. I just tend to be pulled toward devices because of the audio purist in me=85 I get frustrated with anything that is more complicated because they never, ever sound right to me. My ears are sensitive to the phase shifts and strange EQ you can get from one of those devices and it takes away from the punch and clarity of the original audio. I simply feel like you get better (but not louder) audio if you use conservative processing.=20=20 Fortunately, I never had to deal with a PD that was screaming for more loudness because I was the PD! I have done a couple of jobs where all I did was engineering but more often than not, I ended up taking care of the studio because the station engineer was too busy dealing with RF issues. I have also worked at big stations with a full engineering staff where I was just an announcer but I always respectfully pushed for better audio.=20=20 You outlined the problem with modern processing very clearly. Many people don't know when to stop and push it to the point of audio degradation. You see, I think they are trying to achieve the same sound they are used to from analog gear and they don't understand that you shouldn't expect the same sort of grunge from DSP based processing. If they don't hear it, they think they're not pushing it hard enough. It's a vicious cycle! I have yet to hear what the Arianne AGC sounds like on it's own. It does certainly sound like it would be suitable for driving a 222 especially if you were able to trim the high end so as not to overdo the HF limiting on the Inovonics. If you ever run into a setup like that, record what it sounds like and post the audio. I bet it would make for a very interesting and clean sound in a minimalist AM Stereo situation=85 : ) JC From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 28 01:19:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50845 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2005 09:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2005 09:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2005 09:19:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 09:19:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 09:19:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:19:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1541 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.72.6 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You outlined the problem with modern processing very clearly. Many > people don't know when to stop and push it to the point of audio > degradation. You see, I think they are trying to achieve the same > sound they are used to from analog gear and they don't understand > that you shouldn't expect the same sort of grunge from DSP based > processing. If they don't hear it, they think they're not pushing > it hard enough. It's a vicious cycle! Stations feel the need to not only be competitive in loudness, but also in EQ balance as well... I've observed that the FM stations in NYC are all rather bass-heavy, while the ones in Philadelphia tend to be treble-heavy, and the ones in Allentown, PA are quite midrange- heavy. I live and drive in central NJ where I can easily pick up stations from these three markets, and it makes for quite an obvious difference in tonal balance between different stations on the dial. Oh, and I recently caught a bit of 1160 WCCS from western PA by DX... they're using the strongest midrange "presence" boost in their audio that I've ever heard from any radio station! It sounded like a +20 dB EQ from 1 to 3 kHz, so while the bass and treble was rolling along with the music, the midrange was just this massive "wall of sound" burning a hole in my speakers! I honestly don't know if that's an intentional effect in their audio, or if their audio processor is broken and it's unintentionally cramming their midrange to the max. It's certainly a unique sound if you ever hear them! From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 28 03:06:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75538 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2005 11:06:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2005 11:06:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp817.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.3) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2005 11:06:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.126.221.181 with login) by smtp817.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2005 11:06:52 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c53386$76b5fe40$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 03:08:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.170.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Subject: KCTC AM STEREO 1320 Not for much longer. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Well i took a look at IBOC station list lately and all of my Entercom FM stations here in Sacramento Ca are on the list now and that just happend in the last two weeks. The only Entercom station thats not on the list yet is KCTC AM STEREO 1320!!! Thanks Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Mar 28 04:23:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66497 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2005 12:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2005 12:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2005 12:23:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 12:23:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 12:23:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:23:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c53386$76b5fe40$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 416 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.75.227.85 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: KCTC AM STEREO 1320 Not for much longer. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 The list gets updated frequently. At this point, there are not many AMs that play music, I know I'm in the minority, but I'm actually willing to give the technology a try. As soon as a semi-portable radio gets released, I hope to take a trip to make airchecks of a music IBOC AM. And yes, KDIS in LA has recently shown up on the list. I'm actually listening to an aircheck I made of them on my SRF-A100 now. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Mar 28 12:22:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26044 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2005 20:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2005 20:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2005 20:22:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 20:20:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 20:20:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:20:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2706 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 170.20.11.59 From: "wgliradio" Subject: Re: Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: >=20 > WOW! We are on opposite ends of the spectrum! It's very cool,=20 though!=20=20=20=20 >=20 > Please don't get me wrong, here. I know that any piece of=20 processing > whether it is a Level-Devil from 50 years ago or a brand new Optimod > can be made to sound acceptably good if setup properly and used=20 within > its limitations. I just tend to be pulled toward devices because of > the audio purist in me=85 I get frustrated with anything that is more > complicated because they never, ever sound right to me. My ears are > sensitive to the phase shifts and strange EQ you can get from one of > those devices and it takes away from the punch and clarity of the > original audio. I simply feel like you get better (but not louder) > audio if you use conservative processing.=20=20 Many early multiband devices had that problem. I'll give you one=20 other. I worked with the beta version of the DSP-X... a digital=20 audio processor for FM. In the early beta versions, the audio had a=20 VERY strange EQ sound when bands would overcorrect for audio without=20 any regard for what the other bands were doing. Software corrections eliminated these problems and now you REALLY=20 have to set it up wrong to get it to even come close to that kind of=20 sound. Prisms... a good AGC from the 80's and 90's also had these problems=20 when the bands would hunt all over looking for audio. TransLanTech=20 has solv-ed that problem with the Arianne. =20=20 > You outlined the problem with modern processing very clearly. Many > people don't know when to stop and push it to the point of audio > degradation. You see, I think they are trying to achieve the same > sound they are used to from analog gear and they don't understand=20 that > you shouldn't expect the same sort of grunge from DSP based > processing. If they don't hear it, they think they're not pushing=20 it > hard enough. It's a vicious cycle! I agree. Some stations have embraced digital processors and the=20 obviously sound better. Others like the fact the the speedometer=20 says 120 and push it that hard. >=20 > I have yet to hear what the Arianne AGC sounds like on it's own. It > does certainly sound like it would be suitable for driving a 222 > especially if you were able to trim the high end so as not to overdo > the HF limiting on the Inovonics. If you ever run into a setup like > that, record what it sounds like and post the audio. I bet it would > make for a very interesting and clean sound in a minimalist AM=20 Stereo > situation=85 It may happen sooner than later. I do own a 222 and may have a=20 chance to play with it and an Arianne at a local AM over the summer.=20=20 We shall see. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Mar 28 12:22:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57255 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2005 20:22:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2005 20:22:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2005 20:22:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 20:22:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2005 20:22:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:21:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 318 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 170.20.11.59 From: "wgliradio" Subject: Re: Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Stations feel the need to not only be competitive in loudness, but > also in EQ balance as well... That's not a negative. Consistant audio for AM and FM is a good thing as long as the audio is not strained to death to get it that way. From badeditpro@cox.net Mon Mar 28 17:22:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94285 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 01:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 01:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 01:22:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 01:22:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 01:22:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:22:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 369 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: > > It may happen sooner than later. I do own a 222 and may have a > chance to play with it and an Arianne at a local AM over the summer. > We shall see. Oh, if you do get the chance to try that out, you must send along some audio! I'd love to hear what that sounds like. :) JC From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon Mar 28 17:38:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26371 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 01:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 01:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 01:38:03 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.212.244]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:37:59 -0700 Message-ID: <005101c53400$7536d7e0$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:41:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2005 01:38:00.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0DE3A60:01C533FF] X-Originating-IP: 67.41.129.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Usually you didn't find a Sta-Level working by itself; there'd be an SA-39B after it for limiting too. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > Alas, sometimes I think we'd be better off going back to the days > when the only processing a station had was manual gain riding and a > Gates Sta-Level.... From stodd@mailpobox.com Mon Mar 28 17:38:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mailpobox.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67016 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 01:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 01:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms1.mailpobox.com) (67.41.129.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 01:38:02 -0000 Received: from home1 ([64.61.212.244]) by ms1.mailpobox.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:37:54 -0700 Message-ID: <005001c53400$72438880$d503fea9@home1> To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:39:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: stodd@mailpobox.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2005 01:37:57.0136 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF1E8900:01C533FF] X-Originating-IP: 67.41.129.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184461959 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Yes, but they lack the matrix limiting function which would keep strong single channel audio from creating nasty clipping sounds in receivers. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony" > (Sidebar question: Are the Omnia AM processors Stereo capable?? I know > the newer Optimods are strictly Mono, but I have a 'hint' that the new > Omnias have been made with some flexibility to be used with Stereo.) From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Mar 28 18:02:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35465 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 02:02:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 02:02:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO OMC3-S16.phx.gbl) (65.54.249.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 02:02:00 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.56.75]) by OMC3-S16.phx.gbl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:01:59 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:01:59 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.204 by BAY101-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:01:59 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:51:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2005 02:01:59.0631 (UTC) FILETIME=[4AE9CDF0:01C53403] Return-Path: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.249.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anthony wrote: > Those of you who have worked with Processors here on the list... > > What do you prefer?? CRL or Optimod?? Of those two choices, an Optimod 9100A/2 it the "Top Dawg" on the AM dial. By using the old "Middle" pre-emphasis EQ chips instead of the NRSC chips, you can make your station sound just a wee bit brighter than the other AMs in the market. This will make the listeners think the other stations sound dull. The very best sounding AM station I have ever heard in my life was running a Kahn Good-'N-Loud processor into an RCA BTA1S transmitter. I just LOVE that big boomy audio with bright, crisp, highs that sound so sweet the musical notes just melt in your ears. The Good-'N-Loud was made for Big Band music! The next best thing for L-O-U-D yet still decent audio is a DAP 310 driving a BL-40. Properly set up, this can be a real "giant killer" air chain for a station on a budget. The loudest station I have ever heard was running an Orban spring reverb into an Optimod 9000 into a Gates BC5H. Somewhere I have some airchecks of 1440 WQOK with this air chain. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditpro@cox.net Mon Mar 28 19:32:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73810 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 03:32:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 03:32:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.240.29) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 03:32:29 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.0.17.189]) by lakermmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050329033222.XXMA29924.lakermmtao10.cox.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:32:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c5340f$ecf5c250$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:32:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Re: Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "...The next best thing for L-O-U-D yet still decent audio is a DAP 310 driving a BL-40. Properly set up, this can be a real "giant killer" air chain for a station on a budget..." I used to have a couple of DAP 310's that I used to play with off and on. I was always intrigued by Mike Dorough's idea for a gate/expender but I never could get it to work the way he said it should in the manual. Any thoughts why? The DAP was one of the most tweakable processors ever designed. One engineer I worked with said that the top was optional on 310's! Many of them that you find now don't have all the screws for the top because you hardly ever actually put them in.... One very cool thing about the DAP is that you can use the utility jumper to bypass the clipper card. Dorough's clipper design was ingenuous but sensitive to drift which made it cranky after a while. Also, it was quite noisy and even if you pulled it back to the point where there was no clipping, any processing after it would accentuate the noise. Now, there would be an interesting front end for a 222! I thought about trying it but never got the chance... Anybody tried that combo out? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kya1260@lycos.com Mon Mar 28 19:42:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14782 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 03:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 03:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 03:42:46 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 5E8CD18001AC for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:42:45 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Mar 2005 03:42:45 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4B4193384B; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:42:45 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [69.108.204.81] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:42:45 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:42:45 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050329034245.4B4193384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCTC AM STEREO 1320 Not for much longer. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ In the next day or two, I will try to get within local range=20 of KCTC and tape some of the pre-IBOC 1320 AM via my=20 Sony CFS-6000... KCTC 1320 has always been one of the better-sounding C-QUAM hi-fi stations... KCTC still sounded good on my '03 Honda mono AM receiver when I was in Stockton this afternoon. No sideband IBOC-type=20 splatter - yet... --jay ----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: KCTC AM STEREO 1320 Not for much longer. Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:23:19 -0000 >=20 >=20 > The list gets updated frequently. >=20 > At this point, there are not many AMs that play music, I know I'm in > the minority, but I'm actually willing to give the technology a try. > As soon as a semi-portable radio gets released, I hope to take a trip > to make airchecks of a music IBOC AM. >=20 > And yes, KDIS in LA has recently shown up on the list. I'm actually > listening to an aircheck I made of them on my SRF-A100 now. What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Mar 28 22:43:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55591 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 06:43:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 06:43:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 06:43:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 06:41:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 06:41:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:40:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050329034245.4B4193384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1417 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.122.181.212 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: {AMSF} Re: KCTC AM STEREO 1320 Not for much longer. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > In the next day or two, I will try to get within local range > of KCTC and tape some of the pre-IBOC 1320 AM via my > Sony CFS-6000... > KCTC 1320 has always been one of the better-sounding C-QUAM > hi-fi stations... > KCTC still sounded good on my '03 Honda mono AM receiver when > I was in Stockton this afternoon. No sideband IBOC-type > splatter - yet... > --jay > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anthony > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: KCTC AM STEREO 1320 Not for much longer. > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:23:19 -0000 > > > > > > > The list gets updated frequently. > > > > At this point, there are not many AMs that play music, I know I'm in > > the minority, but I'm actually willing to give the technology a try. > > As soon as a semi-portable radio gets released, I hope to take a trip > > to make airchecks of a music IBOC AM. > > > > And yes, KDIS in LA has recently shown up on the list. I'm actually > > listening to an aircheck I made of them on my SRF-A100 now. > > > > What's the GoldVine about? > < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. > http://datingsearch.lycos.com Hi They are still in c-quam for now. Jim Smith From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 28 22:54:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29856 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 06:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 06:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 06:54:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 06:53:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.61] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 06:53:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:52:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2162 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.88.130 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Fred Vobbe on IBOC & CAM-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As posted on Leonard Kahn's site, DX Audio Service publisher Fred Vobbe has written an article about analog AM, IBOC, and Kahn's CAM-D system (scroll to the bottom of this page): http://www.wrathofkahn.org/wst_page5.html One excerpt of interest: ====================================== The first stumble is that AM radio is "technically quality challenged", and this is why listeners are leaving for other mediums. AM radio's problem is content, not quality. If quality is an issue, then why do so many teens and young adults listen to 24 and 32 kbps MP3 and RA files to get the content they want? Why are iPod, Sirius, XM, Napster, Kazaa, and others so popular among my generation? Simply, it's about content. To address the quality issue, for the past couple of months I have been preparing a report for our magazine titled, "The Quality of AM". In the audio report I demonstrate the plusses and minuses of the analog transmission. To be blunt, the quality is not as bad as it's made out to be. In one of the tests I set up an AM transmitter, and FM transmitter, and used several common radios available to the public. I played selections of music and spoken word through the systems and asked listeners to [give their] thumbs up or thumbs down. It was interesting to note that the average person had no problem with the quality of the AM test transmissions. In fact, in several sidebar tests I found the test station was more appealing to the listener than local commercial AM stations. The reason, I feel, was the differences in processors, quality of equipment, and the care in setup. It should be noted that the AM test transmitter was an LPB Model 30B, fed by an Inovonics 235 audio processor. The output of the transmitter was fed to a 50W dummy load with RF probe, and the probe fed the transmitter's signal to a radio where the level was set to approximate a 2.5 mV/m contour and mixed with outside signals in the air. So, is the fact AM radio is struggling is due to technical issues? As the guys on the Discovery Channel would say, "Sorry, the myth is busted". ====================================== From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 28 22:56:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46481 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 06:56:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 06:56:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.1) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 06:56:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.122.181.212 with login) by smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 06:56:26 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c5342c$a6964b00$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:58:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.170.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Subject: KCTC AM 1320 has two TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I herd that KCTC AM 1320 has two TXs. One for day and one for night. If or when thay go IBOC maby thay can do just the day TX and leave the night alone. I can't get it at night very good most of the time i thing because of other stations. I got to thinking about it a little and i do not think that they will change realy fast because that they are " Music of your life" old folks station. Thanks Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Mar 29 02:14:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26348 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 10:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 10:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 10:14:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 10:13:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 10:13:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:13:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005101c53400$7536d7e0$d503fea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 463 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.12.116.196 From: "Anthony" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Processor Wars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Usually you didn't find a Sta-Level working by itself Kevin in Tampa alerted me to what was 'going on' in the audio chain, but WHNR in Cypress Gardens (1360), for a while, had a Gates Level Devil, and a Western Electric transmitter....They weren't in Stereo, but they sounded just as good as FM in 2000....What NRSC?? I have to see if I can find the airchecks I made of them. --Tony From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 29 06:48:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77370 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 14:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 14:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 14:48:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 14:48:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 14:48:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:48:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c5342c$a6964b00$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 869 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.16.232 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: KCTC AM 1320 has two TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hi Gang I herd that KCTC AM 1320 has two TXs. One for day and one for night. If or when thay go IBOC maby thay can do just the day TX and leave the night alone. I can't get it at night very good most of the time i thing because of other stations. I got to thinking about it a little and i do not think that they will change realy fast because that they are " Music of your life" old folks station. Thanks Jim Smith Most AM stations have at least two transmitters. This is nothing particularly new. As for nighttime, being that 1320 is a so-called "graveyard" channel, where many dozens of stations broadcast on at low power just to cover their communities of license (and some not all tghat well), I wouldn't expect KCTC to be heard outside of Sacramento at night. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kya1260@lycos.com Tue Mar 29 07:40:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89138 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 15:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 15:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 15:40:45 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id C7C8D180013F for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:39:57 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Mar 2005 15:39:57 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id ABFE186B0F; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:39:57 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:39:57 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:39:57 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050329153957.ABFE186B0F@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCTC AM 1320 has two TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Yo, Amy... What makes KCTC unusual, though, is that they have two=20 transmitter sites - miles apart. One site with one pattern is used for day and the other with a seperate pattern for night...always found that unique... Curious as to why KCTC cannot use ONE site for their=20 DA-2 arrangement. Don't know what happens if one site=20 goes down and they have to retort to the other site with a completely different configuration (maybe go on reduced power, non-directional?)... Don't know if the current engineer would know the genesis of this quirky situation better than Jim Balcom,=20 the AM 1320 engineer of many years who's now retired... Stay tuned... --jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: KCTC AM 1320 has two TXs Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:48:37 -0000 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang I herd that KCTC AM 1320 has two TXs. One for day and one > for night. If or when thay go IBOC maby thay can do just the day TX > and leave the night alone. I can't get it at night very good most of > the time i thing because of other stations. I got to thinking about it > a little and i do not think that they will change realy fast because > that they are " Music of your life" old folks station. Thanks Jim > Smith >=20 > Most AM stations have at least two transmitters. This is nothing > particularly new. >=20 > As for nighttime, being that 1320 is a so-called "graveyard" channel, > where many dozens of stations broadcast on at low power just to cover > their communities of license (and some not all tghat well), I wouldn't > expect KCTC to be heard outside of Sacramento at night. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 29 07:52:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40972 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 15:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 15:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 15:52:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 15:52:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 15:52:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:52:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050329153957.ABFE186B0F@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1019 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.16.232 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: KCTC AM 1320 has two TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > Yo, Amy... > What makes KCTC unusual, though, is that they have two > transmitter sites - miles apart. One site with one > pattern is used for day and the other with a seperate > pattern for night...always found that unique... While uncommon, they're not unheard of in many parts of the country... > Curious as to why KCTC cannot use ONE site for their > DA-2 arrangement. Don't know what happens if one site > goes down and they have to retort to the other site > with a completely different configuration > (maybe go on reduced power, non-directional?)... Now, why would a transmitter have to respond if another goes down? :) (Hint: Did you notice your typo? :) ) > Don't know if the current engineer would know the > genesis of this quirky situation better than Jim Balcom, > the AM 1320 engineer of many years who's now retired... I would suspect it's to provide a particular pattern for their assigned area. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Mar 29 08:20:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52097 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 16:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 16:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 16:20:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 16:20:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 16:20:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:20:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 445 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.75.227.85 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: KCTC AM 1320 has two TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > As for nighttime, being that 1320 is a so-called "graveyard" channel I don't believe 1320 is a graveyard/local frequency...Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the "graveyarders" in the 1300s I'm pretty sure are 1340 and 1350....1320s can go up as high as 5kw, whereas 'graveyarders' are not allowed more than 1kw, and typically must be ND (tho there have been exceptions, 1240 in Ft. Myers, Fl. was a DA local but not anymore). --tony From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Mar 29 08:24:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65698 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 16:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 16:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.182) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 16:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@68.22.243.241 with login) by smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 16:23:17 -0000 Message-ID: <005b01c5347b$9ce25eb0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20050329153957.ABFE186B0F@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:23:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCTC AM 1320 has two TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> As for nighttime, being that 1320 is a so-called "graveyard" channel, >> where many dozens of stations broadcast on at low power just to cover >> their communities of license (and some not all tghat well), I wouldn't >> expect KCTC to be heard outside of Sacramento at night. Actually 1320 is not a graveyard channel (graveyards are class C, 1kw days and nights, no protection). 1320 is a class B regional frequency. KCTC is 5 KW U DA2. KCTC protects others but is also protected by others. Something kind of strange here... This station does have different transmitter locations for their day and night patterns.... But they also have a pending application to the FCC to relocate the transmitter site from Sacramento to West Sacramento, and their proposed site is also with 2 locations for day and night facilities. Anyone know why this station seems to "need" 2 transmitter sites? From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Mar 29 08:50:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29790 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 16:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 16:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 16:50:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 16:50:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 16:50:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:50:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 89 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.43.97 From: "Dave" Subject: OT : New yahoo groups look is hidious X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan What have yahoo done!! The new 'interface' is a complete mess now. Dire. Anyone agree ? From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Mar 29 09:27:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33364 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 17:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 17:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.202.56) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 17:27:49 -0000 Received: from n1zzn (c-24-218-84-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005032916340001200penite>; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:34:01 +0000 To: Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:34:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcU0e1Aib6x8Q/1PSfWV/U1BI8duSQAAYitg X-Originating-IP: 204.127.202.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: KCTC AM 1320 has two TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn I believe the graveyard frequencies are 1230, 1240, 1340, 1400, 1450, and 1490. This is because there are many stations on these frequencies, and none have more than 1kW. I can see how 1320 could have easily been confused with either 1230 or 1340. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA >-----Original Message----- >From: Anthony [mailto:Bossmsx@aol.com] >Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:20 AM >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: KCTC AM 1320 has two TXs > > > >> As for nighttime, being that 1320 is a so-called "graveyard" channel > >I don't believe 1320 is a graveyard/local frequency...Someone correct >me if I'm wrong, but the "graveyarders" in the 1300s I'm pretty sure >are 1340 and 1350....1320s can go up as high as 5kw, >whereas 'graveyarders' are not allowed more than 1kw, and typically >must be ND (tho there have been exceptions, 1240 in Ft. Myers, Fl. was >a DA local but not anymore). > >--tony > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From kya1260@lycos.com Tue Mar 29 09:44:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96728 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 17:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 17:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 17:44:53 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 88B7818002B0 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:44:48 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Mar 2005 17:44:48 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 65D1ACA094; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:44:48 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:44:48 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:44:48 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050329174448.65D1ACA094@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCTC AM 1320 has two TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > (Hint: Did you notice your typo? :) ) Yup...thank you :o) Somebody bring me another cup of joe... As Jim mentions, there has been something in the works about the site change(s) for KCTC, but I did NOT know it was also for two seperate sites! In this day of ailing AM stations and the ever-increasing value of real estate, especially in Northern California of late, it makes you wonder why this situation of having TWO sites (in KCTC's case) exists...although, you're right, Amy, it's not uncommon... The daytime site is near a growing subdivision that sprouted in the early-1990s, south of Sacramento International Airport a few miles as the crow flies. It's a 3-tower site, the tallest tower has a BRIGHT strobe light, no beacon. Great signal to the north and south... The night site is a four-tower site near a dump in Roseville. Lousy 5-kw signal, aimed mainly south-west,=20 I'd guess, since the 1320 in Salt LAke City comes booming in... Jeff is also correct on those Class-IV frequencies, which, when I started in radio back when, most had to lower to 250-watts at night. KWG 1230, my first station in 1980, was one. Then in the mid-1980s, they increased night power to 1 kw... -jay --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Mar 29 10:03:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19080 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 18:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 18:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 18:03:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 18:03:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 18:03:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:03:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 285 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.75.227.85 From: "Anthony" Subject: {AMSF} Re: KCTC AM 1320 has two TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > I believe the graveyard frequencies are 1230, 1240, 1340, 1400, 1450, and > 1490. This is because there are many stations on these frequencies, and none > have more than 1kW. Think it was all 'divvied' up long ago in the 40s, during NARBA, when the Clears were decided. --tony From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Mar 29 12:01:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70683 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 20:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 20:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 20:01:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 20:01:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 20:01:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:00:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 519 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 170.20.11.59 From: "Douglas" Subject: Kenwood KRC-8001 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Is anyone familiar with the Kenwood KRC-8001 car radio? A friend of mine was recently moving, and he decided to give away some of his stuff rather than continue storing it. So now I've got a KRC-8001... It has a wide and narrow toggle for the AM band, and it actually has "C- QUAM" printed on the cassette trap door (you gotta love THAT). I've been using the the AMAX GM Delco (the newer one) in my car... so I don't know if the KRC-8001 is an upgrade or not. Maybe the FM section is better? Any comments? From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Mar 29 13:29:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43437 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 21:29:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 21:29:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 21:29:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 78025 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2005 21:29:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=HsPVe4LQkJU94J5b8ocBbApoeR1nHUZvi3usqpNIYTMdEkPi/Ga8K7EobXFRH0K04LjsKGe34BYQQ/uIbrqsrBBQagwEgRADtwoYvyhBEFXdRFnPGVSL+13yw0iPBuVn+bEWQPkSKM8nlpoTDlcVRjLLmg5Ntt87boBbQNLmlfU= ; Message-ID: <20050329212911.78023.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.215] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:29:11 PST Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:29:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCTC AM 1320 has two TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > As for nighttime, being that 1320 is a so-called > "graveyard" channel, > where many dozens of stations broadcast on at low > power just to cover > their communities of license (and some not all tghat > well), I wouldn't > expect KCTC to be heard outside of Sacramento at > night. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ 1340 is a graveyard frequency with a couple hundred stations at 1000 watts at night. 1320 is not. Powell powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Mar 29 13:31:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2656 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 21:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 21:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52405.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.113) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 21:31:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 78816 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2005 21:31:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=rPmrMz1w94md8fbTi73O+qZbQUyqONscvt2N01jW4BSIWjNNcpsk3mwHplH1j9Moq+XQlitsAeeb5P+dLi2yiOHCrVmPf0ip11kZnjPiRTI6XoZD3luAjYdDUavfl9c6SBvqKGNVY/bUaD7lzmTuN7U9y0sEvtfenRZy4CmRAnQ= ; Message-ID: <20050329213106.78814.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.215] by web52405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:31:06 PST Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:31:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCTC AM 1320 has two TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Anthony wrote: > > > As for nighttime, being that 1320 is a so-called > "graveyard" channel > > I don't believe 1320 is a graveyard/local > frequency...Someone correct > me if I'm wrong, but the "graveyarders" in the 1300s > I'm pretty sure > are 1340 and 1350....1320s can go up as high as 5kw, only 1340. The entire list is 1230, 1240, 1340, 1400, 1450 and 1490. Powell powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 29 16:04:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44770 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2005 00:04:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2005 00:04:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 00:04:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 00:04:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 00:04:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:04:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1073 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.16.232 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: OT : New yahoo groups look is hidious X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > What have yahoo done!! The new 'interface' is a complete mess now. > Dire. Anyone agree ? Yes. It seriously marginalizes all the customization that those of us who have groups here have done. It's also harder to work with when reading groups like this one. At least they fixed one complaint- At least under this new system, you don't have to hit "Previous" to go to the next message. (That was bad- VERY bad- when they forced this new scheme on us.) There's supposed to be a way to comment, but somehow, I can't get into add.yahoo.com. They should've made this optional so they could get comments without forcing it on us. I'm very disappointed. It really has made it a bit more difficult, if not downright uncomfortable, using this particular group. I'm kinda stuck with IE 5.5 (I've tried upgrading- My Dell doesn't like it- POS laptop!), here, and the formatting gets cut off. :( Now, back to AM stereo- if there's anything AMS-related to discuss anymore..... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 29 16:15:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13658 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2005 00:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2005 00:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 00:15:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 00:15:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 00:15:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:15:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 237 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.16.232 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: KCTC AM 1320 has two TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I stand corrected on the graveyard freqs, although from here, you oughtta hear 1320 at night- You wouldn't know 1320 was a graveyard. (Around here, we have 1340 KATA in Arcata, CA and 1310 KFVR in Crescent City, CA.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Mar 29 17:20:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92960 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2005 01:20:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2005 01:20:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.139) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 01:20:02 -0000 Received: from storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 4CEFCD754; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:20:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id RAA19275; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:20:02 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAq9VZ3z9Qo0wHgMgfwUQAYgvdhLsCFQClCTdyqm0D/LZ4sfv4NPmxsTlYjA== Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:20:01 -0600 To: ABDX@topica.com Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <74-4249FEC1-4992@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: djl4loons@aol.com's message of Mon, 28 Mar 2005 04:15:18 EST Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: IBOC KFAB Alert!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Omaha station KFAB 1110 50 KW day/night announced that they commenced Digital IBOC "HD Radio" Transmissions today 3-29-2005 at 11:06 AM I only listened to KFAB for a short time at lunch, and on the ordinary Ford radio I kept hearing what seemed like power "surges" in their signal. Later, when leaving work at 5 PM noticed the analog signal, carrier kept having dropouts, like something is bothering the phaser, transmitter control, Then the BIG announcement of IBOC.... I Belch!! The transmitter did seem to settle down after a couple minutes. KFAB (historically) having flash-overs, drop outs is nothing really unusual especially in warmer weather. I tuned to 1080, 1090, 1120, 1130 etc A different sort of noise than normal, Could get 1140 Sioux Falls on 3rd up channel. I suspect that they made of turned off the IBOC around 6 PM, sounds more normal now, and 1080 KRLD Dallas starting to skip in. Stay tuned for further details.... Bill Snyder _ Omaha Sounds like some "fine tuning" is in order... Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Mar 29 17:41:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72247 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2005 01:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2005 01:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp818.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.4) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 01:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@68.22.243.241 with login) by smtp818.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 01:41:01 -0000 Message-ID: <002001c534c9$874f01e0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20050329174448.65D1ACA094@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:41:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.170.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCTC AM 1320 has two TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Jeff is also correct on those Class-IV frequencies, which, > when I started in radio back when, most had to lower to > 250-watts at night. KWG 1230, my first station in 1980, > was one. Then in the mid-1980s, they increased night power > to 1 kw... > -jay I don't know when it changed, but all former Class IV's (now Class C's) were limited to 250 watts day and night. At some time in the 60's (I believe) they allowed them to increase day power to 1,000 watts, with night-time levels remaining at 250 watts. In the early 80, the FCC finally allowed them to raise nighttime power to 1,000 watts. It didn't really increase their coverage maps at night, but it did give them better building penetration at night. Any hopeful gains expected by going to 1,000 watts at night were negated by an exponential increase in the noise platform on those channels.. I have a Radio Shack DX 390 and I can always tell when I hit one of those graveyard frequencies, the noise level is horrendous. I wonder if any DX'ers out there ever catch any of the graveyard frequencies with directional antennas? I have yet to discern any listenable audio on them at night. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 29 17:54:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13512 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2005 01:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2005 01:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 01:54:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 01:53:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 01:53:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:53:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1351 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.88.130 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Kenwood KRC-8001 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I've been using the the AMAX GM Delco (the newer one) in my car... > so I don't know if the KRC-8001 is an upgrade or not. Maybe the FM > section is better? I had a KRC-8001 for a while, and while it will deliver nice crisp wideband sound from local AM and AM Stereo stations, its performance is nothing to write home about on either band. It's a decent radio, but I would definitely not choose it over a Delco. In fact, your AMAX/Expanded Band-equipped Delco is probably the best car radio you will *ever* find anywhere, in terms of AM Stereo capability and quality of reception on both AM and FM. So even if you wreck your car tomorrow, be sure to hang on to that radio because it's a keeper for sure! One interesting feature of the KRC-8001, however, is a special mode (Kenwood had some acronym for it, but I forgot what they called it) in which if the station you are listening to fades out, it will automatically seek to the next station on the dial. I suppose that is good for driving out in the middle of Wyoming or Nevada where it would otherwise be a struggle to keep finding a listenable station on the dial when the one you're tuned to gets too far away and turns to static. It also has a signal strength meter, but that's mostly a gimmick because the LEDs are too small and dim to be of any use while driving. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 29 18:08:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15287 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2005 02:08:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2005 02:08:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 02:08:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 02:08:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 02:08:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 02:08:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002001c534c9$874f01e0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1921 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.88.130 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: "graveyard" channels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have a Radio Shack DX 390 and I can always tell when I hit one of > those graveyard frequencies, the noise level is horrendous. Most of the noise I hear on the "graveyard" channels at night is the choppy fluttering caused by all the slightly off-frequency carriers beating against each other. If you have a semi-local station on one of these channels, you can hear the choppyness get worse and worse during the late afternoon as the skywaves start to bring in all the co-channel signals. However, if all of these stations were transmitting synchronously -- i.e., if their carrier frequencies were all exactly the same, based on a common time reference such as WWV or GPS -- then that choppy fluttering would be largely eliminated, and all you'd hear is the stations' audio mixing together. It wouldn't be perfectly aligned, because of the inherent time delay of a signal bouncing off the ionosphere, but it sure would be a lot better than what we have now. > I wonder if any DX'ers out there ever catch any of the graveyard > frequencies with directional antennas? I have yet to discern any > listenable audio on them at night. With a Terk AM Advantage directional loop antenna and my ultra-sensitive MCS 3050 tuner, I can sometimes hear up to three different intelligible signals on a single AM frequency during the daytime. (I.e., the directional antenna allows me to differentiate between the multiple co-channel signals, not just hear a mixture of them.) That is still possible at night under ideal circumstances, but the unpredictable nature of skywave propagation makes it much more difficult, since you would need an antenna that can rotate vertically as well as horizontally in order to pin-point the exact angle at which a particular skywave signal comes down at you from the ionosphere. (Such a thing _does_ exist -- the Kiwa 360-degree loop antenna -- but it isn't cheap!) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 29 20:56:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54964 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2005 04:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2005 04:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 04:56:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 04:56:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 04:56:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:55:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74-4249FEC1-4992@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 842 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.88.130 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: IBOC KFAB Alert!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I only listened to KFAB for a short time at lunch, and on the > ordinary Ford radio I kept hearing what seemed like power "surges" > in their signal. Later, when leaving work at 5 PM noticed the > analog signal, carrier kept having dropouts, like something is > bothering the phaser, transmitter control, This is a common problem when AM IBOC is used on a Harris DX-series transmitter... due to the constant energy of the IBOC digital sidebands, the SWR protection circuit in the transmitter occasionally glitches, and reacts by momentarily cutting the output power in half (from 50 kW to 25 kW, in this case) until the fault clears itself. This is the occasional "pop" or "surge" that you hear in KFAB's signal. Harris has a band-aid fix for this problem which reduces the SWR protection's sensitivity to the IBOC sidebands. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Mar 30 05:47:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4287 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2005 13:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2005 13:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 13:47:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 13:47:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 13:47:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:46:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 402 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.172.198.66 From: "Douglas" Subject: Re: Kenwood KRC-8001 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee That's VERY helpful, Kevin... many thanks!!! And, yes, I've been extremely happy with my GM Delco's performance. The bummer is that Dallas' C-Quam options have been reduced from 3 to 1. And the one, WBAP, isn't a music station. I can DX a small station out of Greenville, TX that's still broadcasting music in stereo. But it's Country music, and I'm just not that big of a fan... : ) Douglas From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Mar 30 05:50:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13659 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2005 13:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2005 13:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 13:50:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 13:48:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 13:48:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:47:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 99 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.172.198.66 From: "Douglas" Subject: Oasis FM Dallas is IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee They haven't started promoting it yet, but 107.5 The Oasis in Dallas has made the switch to IBOC. From badeditpro@cox.net Wed Mar 30 15:08:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85951 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2005 23:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2005 23:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.240.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 23:08:23 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.0.17.189]) by lakermmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050330230822.MQXK2673.lakermmtao03.cox.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:08:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c5357d$5e351b50$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:08:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: CRL Connection Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all.. I'm trying to figure out what sort of cabling I'll need for my new home studio and I cannot remember whether the CRL SPP-800 has terminal strips or XLR connectors for the input/output. I know the APP-300 uses good ol' term strips, which I prefer but it's been so long since I had to work with an SPP-800 that I have plum forgot! Thanks! :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 30 15:35:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3888 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2005 23:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2005 23:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 23:35:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 23:35:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 23:35:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:35:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c5357d$5e351b50$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 640 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.88.130 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: CRL Connection Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'm trying to figure out what sort of cabling I'll need for my new > home studio and I cannot remember whether the CRL SPP-800 has > terminal strips or XLR connectors for the input/output. I know the > APP-300 uses good ol' term strips, which I prefer but it's been so > long since I had to work with an SPP-800 that I have plum forgot! Like virtually all other CRL units, the SPP-800 uses terminal strip connections. The only CRL units I know of which use XLR connectors are the DX-2 Dynafex Noise Reduction unit and the LPF-300 Standard Pre-Emphasis/Filter (used to make a pre-1980's AM audio processing chain NRSC-compliant). From badeditpro@cox.net Wed Mar 30 15:45:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70940 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2005 23:45:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2005 23:45:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 23:45:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 23:45:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 23:45:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:45:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 790 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: CRL Connection Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: >=20 > Like virtually all other CRL units, the SPP-800 uses terminal strip=20 > connections. The only CRL units I know of which use XLR connectors=20 > are the DX-2 Dynafex Noise Reduction unit and the LPF-300 Standard=20 > Pre-Emphasis/Filter (used to make a pre-1980's AM audio processing=20 > chain NRSC-compliant). Thank you Kevin! I thought it was term strips but I kept remembering some XLR's somewhere. The last time I had to work with stereo CRL stuff it was at a station that had CRL on the AM and FM side=85. Both stereo and both audio chains in the same rack along with a bunch of other equipment.=20 I must be remembering some other box that had XLR's on it.=20=20 Terminal strips will make my life easier! :) JC From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 30 15:55:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67835 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2005 23:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2005 23:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 23:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@69.104.35.244 with login) by smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 23:55:18 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c53584$27ee21c0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:56:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.170.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: Subject: Dr Don Rose X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I have very sad news. Dr Don Rose had passed away the smorning in his sleep. God bless him and has famly. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kya1260@lycos.com Wed Mar 30 16:51:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28952 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 00:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 00:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 00:51:15 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 29F1A1800129 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:51:15 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 31 Mar 2005 00:51:15 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1BA67CA07A; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:51:15 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [69.108.204.81] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:51:15 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:51:15 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050331005115.1BA67CA07A@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Dr Don Rose X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Agreed...longtime KFRC 610er Dr. Don Rose will not=20 soon be forgotten... --jay Story from KYW, Philadelphia: < http://www.kyw1060.com/news_story_detail.cfm?newsitemid=3D45057 > ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net To: "am stereo forum" Subject: {AMSF} Dr Don Rose Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:56:55 -0800 >=20 > Hi Gang I have very sad news. Dr Don Rose had passed away the=20 > smorning in his sleep. God bless him and has famly. Jim Smith >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Mar 30 18:24:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63889 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 02:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 02:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52407.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.115) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 02:24:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 13784 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2005 02:24:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=TwCVmiTm6Wmu0licoyaxWeHDqd7xewUXqoX49cA9iBoTz9O8xHfy9ai8zjf4OKN+bK25aK87ssexH3BR6Fp4MBjUpm5RBaZlO6wYYMy1aW1lZnuwR1v8vGFAyusIU+4asqJgFsE5a4KLV6NJgc6t/uMcjtEDpAIWMwMwshtu/6w= ; Message-ID: <20050331022422.13782.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.85] by web52407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:24:21 PST Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:24:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCTC AM 1320 has two TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jim Burgan wrote: >> > I don't know when it changed, but all former Class > IV's (now Class C's) were > limited to 250 watts day and night. > At some time in the 60's (I believe) they allowed > them to increase day power > to 1,000 watts, with night-time levels remaining at > 250 watts. Earlier than that, actually. WKDK 1240 Newberry was TOLD to go to 1000 watts. The RCA BTA 1R2 was installed around Christmas in 1968. > In the early 80, the FCC finally allowed them to > raise nighttime power to > 1,000 watts. It didn't really increase their > coverage maps at night, but it > did give them better building penetration at night. > Any hopeful gains > expected by going to 1,000 watts at night were > negated by an exponential > increase in the noise platform on those channels.. Sure was. > I have a Radio Shack DX 390 and I can always tell > when I hit one of those > graveyard frequencies, the noise level is > horrendous. I wonder if any > DX'ers out there ever catch any of the graveyard > frequencies with > directional antennas? I have yet to discern any > listenable audio on them at > night. I have heard stations pop in. ON the way to WKDK one Sunday AM after 5 AM I heard Melbourne FL and I was half way between Newberry and Columbia SC. Powell powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Mar 30 18:42:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12871 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 02:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 02:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.185) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 02:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@68.22.243.241 with login) by smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 02:42:40 -0000 Message-ID: <000301c5359b$708c40d0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:43:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: WLS Now in Mono??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 I had a few spare minutes this evening and I hooked up my Radio Shack TM 152 to my sound system and connected the Radio Shack 15-1853 (the RS part number 'cause I don't know the model, but it looks like a little hoola-hoop with a little dial on the front) and it's always shown the stereo light for WLS, day or night. Tonight, there is no stereo light. Anyone know what's up? They have always been faithful to our cause. Don't tell me ABC/Disney is getting ready for IBOC, please! -Jim- From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Mar 30 19:19:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2597 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 03:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 03:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 03:19:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 03:19:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 03:19:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 03:19:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c53584$27ee21c0$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 421 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.18.4 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Dr Don Rose X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hi Gang I have very sad news. Dr Don Rose had passed away the smorning in his sleep. God bless him and has famly. Jim Smith I will miss him. He made me laugh during some very sad times of my childhood. It was because of him I got interested in radio. (I used to stay with my grandparents in Lake County, near the SF Bay Area.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Thu Mar 31 02:22:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56138 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 10:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 10:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au) (150.229.64.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 10:22:03 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (138.194.10.10) by vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au with ESMTP; 31 Mar 2005 20:21:55 +1000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.91,137,1110114000"; d="scan'208"; a="32295625:sNHT27624948" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VALhvX021489; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:21:48 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:21:43 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: Kevin Redding Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Clear Channel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 G'day buddies I haven't had much to say lately - because there isn't much to say (at least from here). Nothing much has changed. But I still am fighting for better Australian radio. I'm always willing to fight for AMS ... but nobody here seems to be suggesting how we can advance the cause in Oz or anywhere else. Pity. This is my latest message on our radio newsgroup. It's such a shame that your FCC allowed a situation where CC could flourish - and an equal shame that our ABA have done nothing to stop it at least here. My message follows ... (Pity about your current govt - recent surveys here have the USA's popularity behind Japan, China, Singapore etc - but better than Indonesia Iraq and Iran ... and why wouldn't they? Most of us love America - but hate Bush and everything he pretends to stand for.) Ian Melbourne Clear Channel - and our ARN Newsgroups: aus.radio.broadcast From: "Seagull" - Find messages by this author Date: 31 Mar 2005 01:58:06 -0800 Local: Thurs, Mar 31 2005 1:58 am Subject: Clear Channel - and our ARN Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Remove | Report Abuse What a good name for a network ... the Australian Radio Network. It wasn't too bad when our Irish chums had a bit of a say - but what is Clear Channel doing to it? As I understand it ... Clear Channel popped up in the United States in the 90s and started taking over every radio station it could get its hands on. CC has had many disasters - but it is ruthless and profitable. It likes running as many stations as possible in any market and controlling the music that is played on all stations. It likes doing things on the cheap. Many people in the US call it "Cheap Channel". It likes sacking people and networking wherever possible. Clear Channel recently sacked pretty much everyone at Adelaide's oldest station - 5DN. It's now rebroadcasting SEN from Melbourne. The ratings have dropped from 6.4% to 1.6%. But who knows? Maybe it can still make a profit with so little outlays. It seems a shame that our ABA isn't interested any more in who owns our radio stations. I feel so sorry for anyone (well most) who are unfortunate enough to work for the ARN. Would some of you at ARN stations please tell us what it's like? I'm sure you can get free hotmail accounts and not have to go completely public. In my 50 years listening ... Clear Channel is the worst thing ever to have happened to Australian radio. From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Mar 31 02:50:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26035 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 10:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 10:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 10:50:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 10:50:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 10:50:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:50:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 176 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.124.13.14 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: KFRC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, tom_richard1980@y... wrote: > > Nah, KYA was better. It just got ruined sooner. At least thay are still playing music. jim smith From Bossmsx@aol.com Thu Mar 31 03:02:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64624 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 11:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 11:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 11:02:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 11:01:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 11:01:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:00:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000301c5359b$708c40d0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 704 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.165.157.183 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: WLS Now in Mono??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > Don't tell me ABC/Disney is getting ready for IBOC, please! It is *extremely* possible....If you look at the list of stations at www.hd-radio.com, a lot of the ABC stations have recently shown up as slated to go HD, mostly Disney affiliates..Like I said recently, KDIS/1110 in LA is one of them. Guess it all depends on how you look at it. We just had 7 FMs go HD yesterday 'in one shot' here in Miami, among them the one I was working part-time for and got fired from when they changed formats, lol..I knew they had the digital transmitters lined up and ready to go, but they had been waiting to get that new antenna installed at the tower...Too bad it all happened after I left... --tony From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Mar 31 03:26:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87008 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 11:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 11:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 11:26:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 11:26:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 11:26:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:26:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050329034245.4B4193384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1476 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.124.13.14 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: {AMSF} Re: KCTC AM STEREO 1320 Not for much longer. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > In the next day or two, I will try to get within local range > of KCTC and tape some of the pre-IBOC 1320 AM via my > Sony CFS-6000... > KCTC 1320 has always been one of the better-sounding C-QUAM > hi-fi stations... > KCTC still sounded good on my '03 Honda mono AM receiver when > I was in Stockton this afternoon. No sideband IBOC-type > splatter - yet... > --jay > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anthony > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: KCTC AM STEREO 1320 Not for much longer. > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:23:19 -0000 > > > > > Hi Jay Is kya C-QuAM? If not you should be. I can get you in the early mornings some times. Jim Smith > > The list gets updated frequently. > > > > At this point, there are not many AMs that play music, I know I'm in > > the minority, but I'm actually willing to give the technology a try. > > As soon as a semi-portable radio gets released, I hope to take a trip > > to make airchecks of a music IBOC AM. > > > > And yes, KDIS in LA has recently shown up on the list. I'm actually > > listening to an aircheck I made of them on my SRF-A100 now. > > > > What's the GoldVine about? > < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. > http://datingsearch.lycos.com From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Mar 31 10:15:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43927 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 18:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 18:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 18:15:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 18:15:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 18:15:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:15:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000301c5359b$708c40d0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 431 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.91.75.30 From: "Bruce Carter" Subject: Disney to go IBOC - was WLS Now in Mono??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > Don't tell me ABC/Disney is getting ready for IBOC, please! > -Jim- Yes - afraid so. The network is headquartered here in Dallas, their flagship station stopped C-Quam over a month ago. I expect the roaring waterfall on adjacent frequencies any day now. One C-Quam myth that is forever vanquished - the coverage myth. The coverage for KMKI - which has always been phenonemal - has not increased since they quit C-Quam. From Bossmsx@aol.com Thu Mar 31 10:44:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18585 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 18:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 18:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 18:44:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 18:44:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 18:44:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:44:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 133 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.75.227.85 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: Disney to go IBOC - was WLS Now in Mono??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > Yes - afraid so. The network is headquartered here in Dallas KMKI was listed on www.hd-radio.com the day after KDIS was. --tony From Bossmsx@aol.com Thu Mar 31 10:47:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82247 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 18:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 18:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 18:47:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 18:47:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 18:47:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:46:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 447 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.75.227.85 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: KFRC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > > Nah, KYA was better. It just got ruined sooner. > At least thay are still playing music. jim smith KFRC(AM) was recently 'dealt over' to Family radio, and soon only the FM will remain...That's too bad, despite the fact KFRC-AM was Mono I really got a kick out of DX'ing 610 out of LA when I was there in October, and listening to Bobby Ocean's night show from my hotel room. Good thing I now have Bobby on XM's 70s channel. -tony From w6yn@juno.com Thu Mar 31 11:02:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13864 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 19:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 19:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m06.lax.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 19:02:08 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBE2NLGAFJM9BJ for (sender ); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:20:06 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLDQrnR0bGUusw//2eUfQFxo= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KPFG4AJY; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:20:04 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:19:18 -0800 Message-ID: <20050331.091918.1460.0.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ContentStamp: 5:2:1462840415 X-UNTD-STORE-INFO:CRC:5:2:1462840415 X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WLS Now in Mono??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I always prefer the complete term "In Glorious Monophonic Sound." I heard IBOC hash on KDIS about a month ago when in LA. Don On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:00:47 -0000 "Anthony" writes: > > > It is *extremely* possible....If you look at the list of stations at > > www.hd-radio.com, a lot of the ABC stations have recently shown up > as > slated to go HD, mostly Disney affiliates..Like I said recently, > KDIS/1110 in LA is one of them. Guess it all depends on how you > look > at it. >............................. From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Mar 31 11:08:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31839 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 19:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 19:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 19:08:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:08:08 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.78.101.30 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:08:08 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:08:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2005 19:08:08.0852 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9DADD40:01C53624] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.247.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: WSB 750 am advertising "digital stereo" to start on Monday, April 4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Heard an advertisment on Atlanta's WSB am. They are going to be featuring "digital stereo" starting Monday, April 4. This was heard on the Neal Boortz show at about 10: 30 a.m. this day. Neal said something to the effect that no one had a way of hearing this stereo. He is probably right for about 99.999% of the WSB listening audience. Oh well, there goes the neighborhood!! MTGC (Michael) From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Mar 31 12:36:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6037 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 20:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 20:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 20:36:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 20:36:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 20:36:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:36:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050331.091918.1460.0.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 424 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.89.146.146 From: "narkspud" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WLS Now in Mono??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > I always prefer the complete term "In Glorious Monophonic Sound." > I heard IBOC hash on KDIS about a month ago when in LA. KDIS is in full C-QUAM stereo as of right this second. Not saying you're wrong, just saying that the inevitable hasn't happened just yet. Sheesh, this group has turned into Countdown to the Apocalypse. How depressing. From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Mar 31 15:01:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13224 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 23:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 23:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52401.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.109) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 23:01:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 9298 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2005 23:01:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=kFakiUgOYuSNN7NbQ3xAclxLpiWbDFLH5Kx5xfl5xA8+NBaQdgpjuS8AruAcc8hPZ4Yuh1e35ISyYSrab1Ddo8vNGAFP5cFt4CZGJreL+4ROuSPfZjwqXA9C3ZN2Y/Ld8w75E1fMH6w/KXK+bOE/XcdVdvIjyah2kvGTQNBCTs4= ; Message-ID: <20050331230136.9296.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.90] by web52401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:01:36 PST Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:01:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSB 750 am advertising "digital stereo" to start on Monday, April 4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > Heard an advertisment on Atlanta's WSB am. They are > going to be featuring > "digital stereo" starting Monday, April 4. This was > heard on the Neal > Boortz show at about 10: 30 a.m. this day. > > Neal said something to the effect that no one had a > way of hearing this > stereo. He is probably right for about 99.999% of > the WSB listening > audience. I can BARELY hear WSB hear in the daytime. I will give a report Monday. Powell > Oh well, there goes the neighborhood!! > > MTGC (Michael) > > > powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Mar 31 15:53:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4599 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 23:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 23:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 23:53:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 23:53:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 23:53:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:53:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 666 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.111.151 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WLS Now in Mono??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > Sheesh, this group has turned into Countdown to the Apocalypse. How > depressing. It has, hasn't it? Nevermind that there are STILL quite a few stations dedicated to staying C-QUAM stereo.... Nevermind that anyone could start their own C-QUAM stereo mini- station.... Nevermind there are STILL stations that broadcast their own programming.... Nevermind that not EVERYONE is owned by Clear Channel/Entercom/Infinity/etc.... There is STILL hope- IF YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK FOR IT AND SUPPORT IT, INSTEAD OF INCESSANT WHINING! .....Or is that what you really want? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Fri Apr 01 01:18:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21769 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2005 09:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2005 09:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO OMC1-S12.phx.gbl) (65.54.248.214) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2005 09:18:45 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.37.47]) by OMC1-S12.phx.gbl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 1 Apr 2005 01:18:44 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 01:18:44 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.255.72.79 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 09:18:44 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 04:18:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2005 09:18:44.0756 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD9FCD40:01C5369B] Return-Path: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.248.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WLS Now in Mono??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane WLS 890 was in C-Quam stereo last night at 1815 EST. The stereo indicator came on immediately rather than the usual few seconds it normally takes. Paul Crane Jackson, MI >From: "Anthony" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: WLS Now in Mono??? >Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:00:47 -0000 > > > > Don't tell me ABC/Disney is getting ready for IBOC, please! > >It is *extremely* possible....If you look at the list of stations at >www.hd-radio.com, a lot of the ABC stations have recently shown up as >slated to go HD, mostly Disney affiliates..Like I said recently, >KDIS/1110 in LA is one of them. Guess it all depends on how you look >at it. > >We just had 7 FMs go HD yesterday 'in one shot' here in Miami, among >them the one I was working part-time for and got fired from when they >changed formats, lol..I knew they had the digital transmitters lined >up and ready to go, but they had been waiting to get that new antenna >installed at the tower...Too bad it all happened after I left... > >--tony > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Bossmsx@aol.com Fri Apr 01 01:22:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50289 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2005 09:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2005 09:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2005 09:22:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2005 09:22:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2005 09:22:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 09:22:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 659 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.12.116.196 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: WSB 750 am advertising "digital stereo" to start on Monday, April 4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Side note: I have made my support of HD Radio well known on this board, but I can't help but ask myself, what with mostly Talk stations being the ones on AM going HD (as opposed to the 80s, when the majority of AMs that went Stereo played music)....Are most Talk networks "HD Ready"?? Meaning do they have a sufficiently adequate frequency response, not to mention are they Stereo (for those music beds the hosts like to use)?? Methinks most Talk networks out there are Mono, and I seem to recall alot of them from my days as a board op used to transmit horrid low freq. audio. Gotta think of these things as we enter the "Digital Age". --tony s. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Apr 01 15:49:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98260 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2005 23:49:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2005 23:49:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2005 23:49:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2005 23:49:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2005 23:49:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 23:49:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 313 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.88.130 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: WLS Now in Mono??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WLS 890 was in C-Quam stereo last night at 1815 EST. The stereo > indicator came on immediately rather than the usual few seconds it > normally takes. Perhaps they temporarily took their C-Quam generator offline to recalibrate it, hence the report of a mono signal, and now the improved stereo reception. From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Apr 01 16:04:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70280 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2005 00:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2005 00:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52404.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.112) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2005 00:04:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 44047 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Apr 2005 00:04:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=YCkAYX23P0pE3f4B1suxYPz4+UyoeBUx/YYZNjbDRxkFgFfp6VzqkhTyaEQGiqEFnwEegj3xhFs4Y8f8Kz5+aC8zCHNsxQxXk77MFeme4I8npC5tvRdFWOqxctk6y3tLAa60C+isIr8oMY70aaflvJOBRpqgL3Hejpt801XJRg4= ; Message-ID: <20050402000431.44044.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.127] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 16:04:30 PST Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:04:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSB 750 am advertising "digital stereo" to start on Monday, April 4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW But with "everyone" HD, and in the hybrid mode, you'd better be almost within sight of the towers of most stations on MW. The folks out west won't have ANY reliable service. Going out to near Gallup NM showed me that last year. Even in digital only mode, LOTS of folks that had some semblance of analog even during the day won't have ANY service at all. Powell powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Apr 01 16:07:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19034 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2005 00:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2005 00:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2005 00:07:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2005 00:07:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2005 00:07:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 00:07:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1006 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.111.44 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WLS Now in Mono??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > WLS 890 was in C-Quam stereo last night at 1815 EST. The stereo > > indicator came on immediately rather than the usual few seconds it > > normally takes. > > Perhaps they temporarily took their C-Quam generator offline to > recalibrate it, hence the report of a mono signal, and now the > improved stereo reception. It can be scary, now weith the 5kHz bandwidth mandates and the threat of IBOC, but yes, we must remember, they DO have to recalibrate the transmitter and exciter every so often, so.... Maybe WLS plans on hanging on just a bit longer? Everyone in the Chicagoland & outlying areas should send emails to the station saying "Thanks for staying with C-QUAM AM stereo!" :) Nothingt more, nothing less. :) And if you are able to DX them, or in their nighttime range, do so as well. Stations rarely ever get thanks or praise for doing something right. Show them you do appreciate it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From Bossmsx@aol.com Fri Apr 01 17:09:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20022 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2005 01:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2005 01:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2005 01:09:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2005 01:09:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2005 01:09:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 01:09:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 623 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.154.188.36 From: "Anthony" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WLS Now in Mono??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > Everyone in the Chicagoland & outlying areas should send emails to > the station saying "Thanks for staying with C-QUAM AM stereo!" :) Of all the ABC stations listed on the iBiquity site as scheduled to go HD in all markets, at this point, there are none in Chicago committed...Not a one from Chi-town, WLS or the Disney affiliate in Chicago, or the FMs, for example, are even listed as 'on the way' for IBOC. And relatively tiny Flint, Michigan is on there, so methinks the Chicago engineer appears somewhat serious about keeping C-QUAM on for a bit, if not at least until the top brass twists his arm? --tony From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Apr 02 06:08:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43312 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2005 14:08:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2005 14:08:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp818.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.4) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2005 14:08:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@68.22.243.241 with login) by smtp818.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2005 14:08:34 -0000 Message-ID: <006201c5378d$74d32c00$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 09:08:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.170.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WLS Now in Mono??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 WLS must have had the stereo exciter off Wednesday night, but last night it was on and they sounded better than ever. All of their in-house production, jingles (yes, they still use the same WLS jingles as a News/Talk), bumper music etc. is all in stereo. Therefore, I take back my gloom & doom posting of Wednesday night. I was scared because WLS always sounded so good. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Apr 02 06:33:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71232 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2005 14:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2005 14:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2005 14:33:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2005 14:33:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2005 14:33:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 14:33:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006201c5378d$74d32c00$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 587 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.18.249 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WLS Now in Mono??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > WLS must have had the stereo exciter off Wednesday night, but last night it > was on and they sounded better than ever. > All of their in-house production, jingles (yes, they still use the same WLS > jingles as a News/Talk), bumper music etc. is all in stereo. > Therefore, I take back my gloom & doom posting of Wednesday night. I was > scared because WLS always sounded so good. I think we need an aircheck of WLS.... Erf, amstereo.audio- stream.net's down this morning, maybe later.... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Apr 02 10:33:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57028 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2005 18:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2005 18:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2005 18:33:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 39372 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Apr 2005 18:33:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20050402183326.39370.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.162.222.143] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Apr 2005 10:33:26 PST Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 10:33:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 216.136.173.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John P." Subject: WSB 750 am advertising "digital stereo" to start on Monday, April 4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio So, in other words, WJR should be watching out to see how this affects their night time coverage in Kentucky, Tennessee, etc... maybe even Ohio? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com From badeditpro@cox.net Sat Apr 02 13:58:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65100 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2005 21:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2005 21:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao06.cox.net) (68.230.240.33) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2005 21:58:11 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.0.17.189]) by lakermmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050402215808.BCBY21504.lakermmtao06.cox.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2005 16:58:08 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c537cf$0fe793c0$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 16:58:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: "THE MAN BEHIND THE MIKE" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 20 years ago, when I was just starting out in radio I found a text book at the library called "The Man Behind The Mike." It was written in 1967 by Hal Fisher and it made a huge impression on me. I remember taking it out at least two times in the course of a year or so. Unfortunately, the copy was in bad shape and when I asked about that book again sometime later, I found that it had been discarded. Just recently, I was able to find a copy on eBay and I have been reading through it for the last few days. You would not believe how much of what I read so long ago has stayed with me all of these years! Mr. Fisher explains the basics of announcing and teaches the importance of good diction, enunciation and proper pronunciation when doing spot production and reading news. Also, he touches on the basics of programming, newsgathering, engineering and production. Even though it was published almost 40 years ago, it still holds up as a guide to what being a good radio personality is all about. I'm wondering if any of the old timers here might remember this book or maybe even know a little about the author. I gather from rending the text that Hal Fisher was a PD and GM at several stations in the east and I know he worked for WCAU, Philadelphia because he mentions that station by name.I'm also wondering if he wrote anything else about radio and if he is still alive. Any help would be greatly appreciated! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Sat Apr 02 16:00:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50316 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2005 00:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2005 00:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2005 00:00:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 2 Apr 2005 16:00:31 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.207 by BAY106-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 00:00:30 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 00:00:30 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2005 00:00:31.0753 (UTC) FILETIME=[27109F90:01C537E0] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.73 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSB 750 am advertising "digital stereo" to start on Monday, April 4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Nobody is running IBOC at night at this time.=20 -----Original Message----- From: John P. Sent: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 10:33:26 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} WSB 750 am advertising "digital stereo" to start on Monday,= April 4 So, in other words, WJR should be watching out to see how this affects thei= r night time coverage in Kentucky, Tennessee, etc... maybe even Ohio? =09=09 __________________________________=20 Do you Yahoo!?=20 Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates.=20 http://personals.yahoo.com Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Links From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 02 18:12:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42160 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2005 02:12:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2005 02:12:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2005 02:12:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2005 02:12:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2005 02:12:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 02:12:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 324 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.136.198.28 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: WSB 750 am advertising "digital stereo" to start on Monday, April 4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Nobody is running IBOC at night at this time. Correction: Nobody is running _HD Radio_ at night at this time. But when you include the other method of AM IBOC -- Kahn Cam-D -- then there are three stations transmitting it 24 hours a day: one in Utah, and two in Texas (see http://www.wrathofkahn.org for details). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 02 18:34:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41374 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2005 02:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2005 02:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2005 02:34:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2005 02:34:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2005 02:34:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 02:34:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1164 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.136.198.28 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Kahn update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This week on Leonard Kahn's web site at http://www.wrathofkahn.org/ he claims a fourth station is now on the air with CAM-D, with two more stations ready to install CAM-D within the next month. So, if this slow but steady growth continues, then CAM-D might become a legitimate competitor to HD Radio in the number of AM stations on the air using each IBOC system. Also, Kahn spills some details on how his "POWER-side" system works, including a block diagram... plus, he mentions that POWER-side can include a so-called "stereo effects wave", although he doesn't make it clear whether or not this can be used to provide true stereo separation when listening to a POWER-side signal on a Kahn AM Stereo receiver. (Furthermore, he doesn't address the fact that a "stereo" POWER-side system would not be allowed by the FCC, which mandated that the only acceptable method for transmitting stereo on an analog AM signal is Motorola C-Quam.) p.s. Here are the full-size versions of two images which Kahn has scaled down to thumbnail size on his web site: http://www.wrathofkahn.org/images/Block2.jpg http://www.wrathofkahn.org/images/Power-sideb.jpg From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 02 19:01:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36594 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2005 03:01:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2005 03:01:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2005 03:01:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2005 03:01:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2005 03:01:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 03:01:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 350 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.136.198.28 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Gloating about my bargain... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here's what I just scored on eBay: a CRL Stereo Preparation Processor and CRL AM Stereo Matrix Processor, for $99.00! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5763494646 Now, if only I could find a C-Quam exciter and modulation monitor pair for $99.00, then I'd be ready to help a station upgrade to AM Stereo very inexpensively. :-) From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Apr 03 00:07:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80126 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2005 08:07:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2005 08:07:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.179) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2005 08:07:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@68.22.243.241 with login) by smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2005 08:07:41 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c53824$35c79ea0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 03:07:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WLS Now in Mono??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: >> WLS must have had the stereo exciter off Wednesday night, but last > night it >> was on and they sounded better than ever. >> All of their in-house production, jingles (yes, they still use the > same WLS >> jingles as a News/Talk), bumper music etc. is all in stereo. >> Therefore, I take back my gloom & doom posting of Wednesday night. > I was >> scared because WLS always sounded so good. > > I think we need an aircheck of WLS.... Erf, amstereo.audio- > stream.net's down this morning, maybe later.... I'll grab a few hours this week from Days and nights. The signal here is fairly consistent. We get groundwave 24/7 but there are times at night we get some groundwave/skywave cancellation, but I grew up listening to music that way, so I'm immune. I have no idea how to make it available on the AMSF but I can put it on one of our station's websites (on a page without an index link without a index link) and post the link here. Is that OK to do? -Jim- From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Apr 03 10:31:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51255 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2005 17:31:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2005 17:31:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2005 17:31:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2005 17:31:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2005 17:31:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:31:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 709 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.148.38.110 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: Gloating about my bargain... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Kevin: Any way to find out what station you got those from?? I noticed you got them from Cape Coral, Florida..Says it was taken out due to an upgrade. I'm suspecting it might've come out of WWCN/770 in North Ft. Myers (Cape Coral is in the Ft. Myers area)...They used to run GREAT Stereo in the 80s/90s when they did Oldies, and later "Z-Rock", and are a Beasley station in the process of going HD, per www.hd-radio.com. As a Z-Rock station, one of the first I heard right after I'd graduated Junior High in May of 90 in AM Stereo, on a Town Car my dad rented when we spent Memorial Day weekend in Naples....You haven't heard AM Stereo until you've heard Heavy Metal in Screaming C-QUAM!! --Tony From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Sun Apr 03 12:28:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68657 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2005 19:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2005 19:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO OMC2-S26.phx.gbl) (65.54.249.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2005 19:28:38 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.37.30]) by OMC2-S26.phx.gbl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sun, 3 Apr 2005 12:28:34 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 12:28:34 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 69.208.244.33 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 19:28:33 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 15:28:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2005 19:28:34.0362 (UTC) FILETIME=[538E19A0:01C53883] Return-Path: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.249.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Gloating about my bargain... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Another possibility: WPTK 1200 which was WDCQ when originally signed on as a new station with oldies in AM stereo. The station was located a few miles north of downtown Cape Coral. My wife's parents lived in Fort Myers Beach for many winters, thus, got to make a station visit or two. Paul Crane Jackson, MI >From: "Anthony" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: Gloating about my bargain... >Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:31:02 -0000 > > >Kevin: > >Any way to find out what station you got those from?? I noticed you >got them from Cape Coral, Florida..Says it was taken out due to an >upgrade. > >I'm suspecting it might've come out of WWCN/770 in North Ft. Myers >(Cape Coral is in the Ft. Myers area)...They used to run GREAT Stereo >in the 80s/90s when they did Oldies, and later "Z-Rock", and are a >Beasley station in the process of going HD, per www.hd-radio.com. As >a Z-Rock station, one of the first I heard right after I'd graduated >Junior High in May of 90 in AM Stereo, on a Town Car my dad rented >when we spent Memorial Day weekend in Naples....You haven't heard AM >Stereo until you've heard Heavy Metal in Screaming C-QUAM!! > >--Tony > > > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Apr 03 13:46:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16178 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2005 20:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2005 20:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2005 20:46:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2005 20:46:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2005 20:46:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 20:46:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2803 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.151.181.50 From: "Anthony" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Gloating about my bargain... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Yeah, WDCQ was Jerry "JJ" Collins' station...Actually heard that one as well in Stereo on the Town Car. Best I could do was make an aircheck of that station on the Naples trip on an old Sanyo Boombox (NOT the MW-250), using the Stereo mics that were on the 'box, so it wasn't off air, it was 'off mic'....And call it the "best effort" at an AM Stereo aircheck...Try as I might as much of a 'radio geek' as I was, I never could run into an AM Stereo radio until the SRF-42 at Radio Shack in '97, and that was after some pulling of teeth. One of my bosses used to do contract engineering for 1200. Collins owned or had the CPs for a few AMs in the mid-late 80s. DCQ made quite a splash promotionally and on the air in the area, I recall from other trips to Sanibel, until 95.3 came in with Oldies on FM, and the rest, well, you know. Also on the trip, I remember knowing that 1380 in St. Pete was Stereo, but it didn't light up the Town Car's pilot...I'm saying this because I know Kevin bought their mod monitor on eBay...And I guessed then it was a system other than Motorola's they had in use (not knowing much about non-C-QUAM formats at the time)..I was right as we now know they had Kahn. --tony --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" wrote: > Another possibility: WPTK 1200 which was WDCQ when originally signed on as > a new station with oldies in AM stereo. The station was located a few miles > north of downtown Cape Coral. My wife's parents lived in Fort Myers Beach > for many winters, thus, got to make a station visit or two. > > Paul Crane > Jackson, MI > > >From: "Anthony" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: {AMSF} Re: Gloating about my bargain... > >Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:31:02 -0000 > > > > > >Kevin: > > > >Any way to find out what station you got those from?? I noticed you > >got them from Cape Coral, Florida..Says it was taken out due to an > >upgrade. > > > >I'm suspecting it might've come out of WWCN/770 in North Ft. Myers > >(Cape Coral is in the Ft. Myers area)...They used to run GREAT Stereo > >in the 80s/90s when they did Oldies, and later "Z-Rock", and are a > >Beasley station in the process of going HD, per www.hd- radio.com. As > >a Z-Rock station, one of the first I heard right after I'd graduated > >Junior High in May of 90 in AM Stereo, on a Town Car my dad rented > >when we spent Memorial Day weekend in Naples....You haven't heard AM > >Stereo until you've heard Heavy Metal in Screaming C-QUAM!! > > > >--Tony > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Sun Apr 03 16:57:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82272 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2005 23:57:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2005 23:57:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO OMC2-S32.phx.gbl) (65.54.249.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2005 23:57:17 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.37.18]) by OMC2-S32.phx.gbl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:57:17 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:57:17 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 69.208.252.66 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 23:57:17 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 19:57:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2005 23:57:17.0607 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDC20B70:01C538A8] Return-Path: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.249.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Gloating about my bargain... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane I have a mono aircheck of them on 12/31/87 as I was packing up the car to head back home. I didn't have any AM stereo receivers then. My first was the Radio Shack car stereo which I bought in '91 or '92 when they were clearing them out. Another station I enjoyed and wished to hear in stereo was WCRM 1350 with the Christian contemporary format. Paul Crane Jackson, MI >From: "Anthony" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: Gloating about my bargain... >Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 20:46:49 -0000 > > >Yeah, WDCQ was Jerry "JJ" Collins' station...Actually heard that one >as well in Stereo on the Town Car. Best I could do was make an >aircheck of that station on the Naples trip on an old Sanyo Boombox >(NOT the MW-250), using the Stereo mics that were on the 'box, so it >wasn't off air, it was 'off mic'....And call it the "best effort" at >an AM Stereo aircheck...Try as I might as much of a 'radio geek' as >I was, I never could run into an AM Stereo radio until the SRF-42 at >Radio Shack in '97, and that was after some pulling of teeth. > >One of my bosses used to do contract engineering for 1200. Collins >owned or had the CPs for a few AMs in the mid-late 80s. DCQ made >quite a splash promotionally and on the air in the area, I recall >from other trips to Sanibel, until 95.3 came in with Oldies on FM, >and the rest, well, you know. > >Also on the trip, I remember knowing that 1380 in St. Pete was >Stereo, but it didn't light up the Town Car's pilot...I'm saying >this because I know Kevin bought their mod monitor on eBay...And I >guessed then it was a system other than Motorola's they had in use >(not knowing much about non-C-QUAM formats at the time)..I was right >as we now know they had Kahn. > > >--tony > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" >wrote: > > Another possibility: WPTK 1200 which was WDCQ when originally >signed on as > > a new station with oldies in AM stereo. The station was located a >few miles > > north of downtown Cape Coral. My wife's parents lived in Fort >Myers Beach > > for many winters, thus, got to make a station visit or two. > > > > Paul Crane > > Jackson, MI > > > > >From: "Anthony" > > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: {AMSF} Re: Gloating about my bargain... > > >Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:31:02 -0000 > > > > > > > > >Kevin: > > > > > >Any way to find out what station you got those from?? I noticed >you > > >got them from Cape Coral, Florida..Says it was taken out due to an > > >upgrade. > > > > > >I'm suspecting it might've come out of WWCN/770 in North Ft. Myers > > >(Cape Coral is in the Ft. Myers area)...They used to run GREAT >Stereo > > >in the 80s/90s when they did Oldies, and later "Z-Rock", and are a > > >Beasley station in the process of going HD, per www.hd- >radio.com. As > > >a Z-Rock station, one of the first I heard right after I'd >graduated > > >Junior High in May of 90 in AM Stereo, on a Town Car my dad rented > > >when we spent Memorial Day weekend in Naples....You haven't heard >AM > > >Stereo until you've heard Heavy Metal in Screaming C-QUAM!! > > > > > >--Tony > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sun Apr 03 17:11:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93654 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2005 00:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2005 00:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2005 00:11:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2005 00:11:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2005 00:11:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 00:11:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 733 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.178.131.7 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: "Jack" Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 Well, I just had to laugh (to paraphrase the Beatles). A couple of weeks ago, classic rock Arrow 93.1 in L.A. was replaced with a format known as Jack radio. It apparently started in Canada, made its way to Denver and is now in L.A. (lucky Angelenos). They've pathetically called it "iPod on shuffle". But the according to a poll taken by the Orange County Register, the majority of listeners so far HATE this new format. What will these genius programmers come up with next? One thing's for sure, unless Infinity quickly changes the format to something else or back to Classic Rock, listeners really will be putting their iPods on shuffle and turning off 93.1. It seems the listeners' know Jack but don't like him.' db From badeditpro@cox.net Sun Apr 03 17:46:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63367 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2005 00:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2005 00:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.240.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2005 00:46:32 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.0.17.189]) by lakermmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050404004630.OTM29182.lakermmtao01.cox.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 20:46:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c538af$bf67f2a0$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 20:46:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: SONGS THAT SOUND AWESOME IN C-QUAM STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My short list: The Motels - Only The Lonely Led Zeppelin - Stairway To Heaven Guess Who - These Eyes America - Ventura Highway ('75 George Martin Remix) Michael Jackson - Billie Jean Stevie Wonder - You Are The Sunshine Of My Life Stevie Wonder - Part Time Lover John Cougar Mellencamp - Jack And Diane Johnny Hates Jazz - Shattered Dreams Robbie Nevle - C'est La Vie The Carpenters - Superstar The Dramatics - What You See Is What You Get Roger Whittaker - The Last Farewell The Outsiders - Time Won't Let Me Boy Meets Girl - Waiting For A Star To Fall Huey Lewis - Perfect World Brrok Benton - Rainy Night In Georgia The Youngblood's - Get Together The Pointer Sisters - I'm So Excited (Long Version) Billy Paul - Me And Mrs. Jones The Beach Boys - I Can Hear Music Elton John - Funeral For A Friend/ Love Lies Bleeding Paul McCartney - Live And Let Die Neil Diamond - Love On The Rocks Rod Stewart - Forever Young Van Halen - Jamie's Crying James Taylor - Your Smiling Face Billy Joel - Scenes From An Italian Restaurant Thomas Dolby - She Blinded Me With Science Madonna - Borderline (Original Album Version) Crowded House - Something So Strong Lou Christy - Lightning Strikes Bruce Hornsby - The Valley Road Paul Davis - Cool Night Supertramp - Bloody Well Right David Bowie - Golden Years Earth, Wind And Fire - That's The Way Of The World Santana - Oye Como Va Free - Alright Now Gloria Estefan - Words Get In The Way Duran Duran - Hungry Like The Wolf Wild Cherry - Play That Funky Music Temptations - Cloud Nine Zombies - Time Of The Season Madness - Our House Roxette - The Look INXS - New Sensation Al Wilson - Show And Tell Bob Crewe - Music To Watch Girls Go By Chicago - Alive Again Fleetwood Mac - Dreams Todd Rundgren - Hello, It's Me Barry Manilow - Daybreak Moody Blues - Tuesday Afternoon Neil Sedaka - The Immigrant The Beatles - While My Guitar Gently Weeps The Romantics - What I Like About You Prince - Purple Rain (Single Version) Bruce Springsteen - Born In The USA De Barge - Rhythm Of The Night Dionne Warwick - I'll Never Fall In Love Again Elvin Bishop - Fooled Around And Fell In Love Corey Hart - It Ain't Enough Rcik Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up Cathy Dennis - Too Many Walls Enya - Orinoco Flow Swing Out Sister - Breakout Styx - Babe Love Unlimited Orchestra - Love's Theme Laura Branigen - Self Control First Edition - Just Dropped in. Bobby Darin - Things Ace - How Long The Police - King Of Pain Aretha Franklin - Freeway Of Love Glen Campbell - Wichita Lineman Bob Lend - Elusive Butterfly Lionel Richie - Running With The Night Sam Cooke - Twistin' The Night Away The Honeycreepers - Sea Of Love Al Stewart - Year Of The Cat The Cars - Drive Peter, Paul & Mary - Puff The Magic Dragon Phil Collins - Don't Lose My Number CCR - Born On The Bayou Bee Gees - Jive Talkin' Ronnie Millsap - Smokey Mountain Rain The Mammas & The Pappas - California Dreamin Three Dog Night - Never Been To Spain The Lovin' Spoonful - Summer In The City Eddie Money - Baby, Hold On Carly Simon - Haven't Got Time For The Pain Pike Post - Rockford Files Theme Gordon Lightfoot - Beautiful Classics IV - Spooky Wham - Careless Whisper Buckinghams - Susan Foreigner - I Want To Know What Love Is Robert Palmer - Every Kind Of People Steely Dan - Do It Again Wanna add a few of your own? :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Apr 03 18:12:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95281 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2005 01:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2005 01:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2005 01:12:23 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050404011223.XRCH22013.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:12:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:12:22 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Jack" Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner On Apr 3, 2005, at 5:11 PM, dbdigital2004 wrote: > One thing's for sure, unless Infinity quickly changes the format to > something else or back > to Classic Rock, listeners really will be putting their iPods on > shuffle and turning off 93.1. > > They've been doing that for years. Hiring Johnny B was just the last straw. Arrow hardly had any listeners left. From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Apr 03 18:15:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76534 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2005 01:15:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2005 01:15:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.241.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2005 01:15:26 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050404011525.XWLL1282.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:15:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <000c01c538af$bf67f2a0$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> References: <000c01c538af$bf67f2a0$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:15:24 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} SONGS THAT SOUND AWESOME IN C-QUAM STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Paul Marriot and his Orchestra: Love is Blue When I played that on my Sparkomatic AM stereo years ago, it fooled=20 everyone into thinking I was playing FM. On Apr 3, 2005, at 5:46 PM, Joe Collins wrote: > My short list: > > The Motels - Only The Lonely > > Led Zeppelin - Stairway To Heaven > > Guess Who - These Eyes > > America - Ventura Highway ('75 George Martin Remix) > > Michael Jackson - Billie Jean > > Stevie Wonder - You Are The Sunshine Of My Life > > Stevie Wonder - Part Time Lover > > John Cougar Mellencamp - Jack And Diane > > Johnny Hates Jazz - Shattered Dreams > > Robbie Nevle - C'est La Vie > > The Carpenters - Superstar > > The Dramatics - What You See Is What You Get > > Roger Whittaker - The Last Farewell > > The Outsiders - Time Won't Let Me > > Boy Meets Girl - Waiting For A Star To Fall > > Huey Lewis - Perfect World > > Brrok Benton - Rainy Night In Georgia > > The Youngblood's - Get Together > > The Pointer Sisters - I'm So Excited (Long Version) > > Billy Paul - Me And Mrs. Jones > > The Beach Boys - I Can Hear Music > > Elton John - Funeral For A Friend/ Love Lies Bleeding > > Paul McCartney - Live And Let Die > > Neil Diamond - Love On The Rocks > > Rod Stewart - Forever Young > > Van Halen - Jamie's Crying > > James Taylor - Your Smiling Face > > Billy Joel - Scenes From An Italian Restaurant > > Thomas Dolby - She Blinded Me With Science > > Madonna - Borderline (Original Album Version) > > Crowded House - Something So Strong > > Lou Christy - Lightning Strikes > > Bruce Hornsby - The Valley Road > > Paul Davis - Cool Night > > Supertramp - Bloody Well Right > > David Bowie - Golden Years > > Earth, Wind And Fire - That's The Way Of The World > > Santana - Oye Como Va > > Free - Alright Now > > Gloria Estefan - Words Get In The Way > > Duran Duran - Hungry Like The Wolf > > Wild Cherry - Play That Funky Music > > Temptations - Cloud Nine > > Zombies - Time Of The Season > > Madness - Our House > > Roxette - The Look > > INXS - New Sensation > > Al Wilson - Show And Tell > > Bob Crewe - Music To Watch Girls Go By > > Chicago - Alive Again > > Fleetwood Mac - Dreams > > Todd Rundgren - Hello, It's Me > > Barry Manilow - Daybreak > > Moody Blues - Tuesday Afternoon > > Neil Sedaka - The Immigrant > > The Beatles - While My Guitar Gently Weeps > > The Romantics - What I Like About You > > Prince - Purple Rain (Single Version) > > Bruce Springsteen - Born In The USA > > De Barge - Rhythm Of The Night > > Dionne Warwick - I'll Never Fall In Love Again > > Elvin Bishop - Fooled Around And Fell In Love > > Corey Hart - It Ain't Enough > > Rcik Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up > > Cathy Dennis - Too Many Walls > > Enya - Orinoco Flow > > Swing Out Sister - Breakout > > Styx - Babe > > Love Unlimited Orchestra - Love's Theme > > Laura Branigen - Self Control > > First Edition - Just Dropped in. > > Bobby Darin - Things > > Ace - How Long > > The Police - King Of Pain > > Aretha Franklin - Freeway Of Love > > Glen Campbell - Wichita Lineman > > Bob Lend - Elusive Butterfly > > Lionel Richie - Running With The Night > > Sam Cooke - Twistin' The Night Away > > The Honeycreepers - Sea Of Love > > Al Stewart - Year Of The Cat > > The Cars - Drive > > Peter, Paul & Mary - Puff The Magic Dragon > > Phil Collins - Don't Lose My Number > > CCR - Born On The Bayou > > Bee Gees - Jive Talkin' > > Ronnie Millsap - Smokey Mountain Rain > > The Mammas & The Pappas - California Dreamin > > Three Dog Night - Never Been To Spain > > The Lovin' Spoonful - Summer In The City > > Eddie Money - Baby, Hold On > > Carly Simon - Haven't Got Time For The Pain > > Pike Post - Rockford Files Theme > > Gordon Lightfoot - Beautiful > > Classics IV - Spooky > > Wham - Careless Whisper > > Buckinghams - Susan > > Foreigner - I Want To Know What Love Is > > Robert Palmer - Every Kind Of People > > Steely Dan - Do It Again > > Wanna add a few of your own? > > > > :) > > > > JC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 03 18:16:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46230 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2005 01:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2005 01:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2005 01:16:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2005 01:16:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2005 01:16:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 01:16:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1152 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.72.133 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: "Jack" Radio (more like "Jack S..." Radio) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It seems the listeners' know Jack but don't like him.' In Philadelphia, Greater Media just flipped their Hot AC station to a "Jack"-type format, which they call "Ben FM". And I don't care for it, because the "variety" of which they claim simply doesn't exist. "Ben FM" simply takes the playlists of Hot AC and Classic Hits formats and combines them onto one station. So while it does cover a greater span of music, they're still playing the same songs which we've all heard on the radio over and over again. They might call it "variety" to play Van Morrison followed by Hoobastank, but if you're expecting them to pull out some obscure album tracks or non-Top-40 singles which haven't been heard on the radio in years, then you'll be disappointed because their tight playlist doesn't allow such a thing. I bet if you called them up and requested something like "22 Steps" by Andy Stochansky or "Little Black Backpack" by Stroke Nine, they'd just laugh at you and/or say "Who do you think we are? WXPN?" (That's Philly's non-commercial free-form AOR station, which actually _does_ play those kind of rarely-heard non-hit songs.) From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Apr 03 19:36:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90622 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2005 02:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2005 02:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2005 02:36:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2005 02:35:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2005 02:35:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 02:35:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 371 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.163.100.196 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: {AMSF} SONGS THAT SOUND AWESOME IN C-QUAM STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 "Cherish" by the Association is always one that I hope an AM Stereo station plays, just to make sure everything is ok with their setup. When I worked at WRUF-AM in Gainesville, we had a miswired CD player (one channel only), and I popped that CD in, and only heard 'half' of the song, and I knew it was time to tell the CE to come in and look at things. --tony s. From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Apr 03 19:40:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96337 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2005 02:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2005 02:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2005 02:40:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2005 02:40:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2005 02:40:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 02:40:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 632 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.163.100.196 From: "Anthony" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Gloating about my bargain... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > Another station I enjoyed and wished to hear in stereo was WCRM 1350 with > the Christian contemporary format. I think *their* exciter came up for bidding on eBay some time ago, by the same people that just put the CRLs up for sale...I remember an outfit from Cape Coral selling a Motorola (think it was 1300 series) that was crystalled at 1350, so I'd guess it was them..... WCRM started off as Spanish religious, and is Spanish religious again....They didn't last long as English religious but you are right their short time with an English music format was very enjoyable. I remember they had Twins baseball. --Tony From kya1260@lycos.com Sun Apr 03 20:02:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73147 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2005 03:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2005 03:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2005 03:02:38 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 2BE2F1800219 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 03:02:37 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 4 Apr 2005 03:02:37 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2C4A186B0E; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 03:02:37 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [69.108.204.81] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 19:02:37 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 19:02:37 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050404030237.2C4A186B0E@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Jack" Radio (more like "Jack S..." Radio) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > > "Ben FM" simply takes the playlists of Hot AC and Classic Hits > formats and combines them onto one station. So while it does cover a > greater span of music, they're still playing the same songs which > we've all heard on the radio over and over again. To back that fact: In today's San Francisco Chronicle 'Pinkie' (the Datebook pink section), Ben Fong-Torres writes about Kansas City's 'Jack' (KCJK-FM) running an ad on its website "showing an iPod and the message: 'Guess you won't be needing this anymore, huh?' "Guess again. 'Jack,' according to KCJK, means expanding a playlist of 300 to 400 songs to 1,200. In this day and age, when the average iPod user can load 10,000 songs in a player, 1,200 ain't jack. The Los Angeles station, the former Arrow 93.1, declared: 'We're gonna play what we want.' The music is chosen by a program director; the DJs still have no say. That, along with the huge commercial loads, is what's been driving listeners away." 96.7, BOB-FM in Santa Rosa and the newest "Jack/Bob/et al" at 92.1 in Sacramento (Placerville) haven't done anything for me, either... > They might call it "variety" to play Van Morrison followed by > Hoobastank, but if you're expecting them to pull out some obscure > album tracks or non-Top-40 singles which haven't been heard on the > radio in years, then you'll be disappointed because their tight > playlist doesn't allow such a thing. I bet if you called them up and > requested something like "22 Steps" by Andy Stochansky or "Little > Black Backpack" by Stroke Nine, they'd just laugh at you and/or say > "Who do you think we are? WXPN?" (That's Philly's non-commercial > free-form AOR station, which actually _does_ play those kind of > rarely-heard non-hit songs.) I agree wholeheartedly, Kevin... -jay What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From badeditpro@cox.net Sun Apr 03 22:43:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73330 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2005 05:43:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2005 05:43:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2005 05:43:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2005 05:42:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2005 05:42:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 05:42:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050404030237.2C4A186B0E@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1672 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: "Jack" Radio (more like "Jack S..." Radio) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions The thing that really bugs me about these stations is the fact that there is very little personality. It's just an annoying, sarcastic liner voice and, maybe, a jock reading a card after running down a list of the last eight songs twice an hour=85 It is my opinion that radio needs to be offering a lot more than music if it is going to compete with new technologies. Music is easy to get now and it's everywhere. Radio should be doing what it does best. Informing and entertaining listeners on a local level and not trying to compete with an iPod. That concept is completely ludicrous in the first place! I can skip around and pick exactly what I want to hear on my iPod; radio can't do that and never will be able to do so. Why would you point that fact out by trying to compare yourself with it? Better, more entertaining content between the songs is what's needed. Of course, that requires investment in talent and radio has become to cheap to even consider it.=20 These stations are all flash and no boom. Companies are putting these stations on their underperforming properties because they are cheap and require very little maintenance. You could easily run a station like this off of a laptop commuter! Once the novelty wears off, they'll go away or evolve into something else.=20=20 It's a fad and it will burn itself out when owners realize that there is no future in it. There may be some good that comes from it, though. It could open up some minds in the industry and be a catalyst for change in mainstream thinking. We'll see=85 If it doesn't, we're watching the final stage in radio headlong plunge into self inflicted obsolescence. :( JC From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Apr 03 23:58:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85437 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2005 06:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2005 06:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2005 06:58:07 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.88]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 03:00:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c538e3$cf8d4200$58b50642@4bmx301> To: References: <000c01c538af$bf67f2a0$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 02:59:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} SONGS THAT SOUND AWESOME IN C-QUAM STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 "Don't You Know" by Della Reese "Theme from the Magnificent 7" by Al Ciola Anything by Roy Orbison Anything by Dion & The Belmonts- my personal fav. is "Sandy" , recorded at the Bell studios in NYC. CC ----- Original Message ----- From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Mon Apr 04 02:21:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32863 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2005 09:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2005 09:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO OMC2-S13.phx.gbl) (65.54.249.23) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2005 09:21:48 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.37.53]) by OMC2-S13.phx.gbl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 4 Apr 2005 02:21:48 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 02:21:48 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 68.77.111.196 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 09:21:48 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050404030237.2C4A186B0E@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 05:21:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2005 09:21:48.0611 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA731930:01C538F7] Return-Path: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.249.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Jack" Radio (more like "Jack S..." Radio) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Apparently, it's also hit Detroit, MI, on WDRQ 93.1: www.michiguide.com I haven't had a chance to hear it yet. Paul Crane, Jackson, MI >From: "Jay Arnold" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Jack" Radio (more like "Jack S..." Radio) >Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 19:02:37 -0800 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kevin T." > > > "Ben FM" simply takes the playlists of Hot AC and Classic Hits > > formats and combines them onto one station. So while it does cover a > > greater span of music, they're still playing the same songs which > > we've all heard on the radio over and over again. > >To back that fact: >In today's San Francisco Chronicle 'Pinkie' (the Datebook pink section), >Ben Fong-Torres writes about Kansas City's 'Jack' (KCJK-FM) running an >ad on its website "showing an iPod and the message: 'Guess you won't be >needing this anymore, huh?' >"Guess again. 'Jack,' according to KCJK, means expanding a playlist of >300 to 400 songs to 1,200. In this day and age, when the average iPod >user can load 10,000 songs in a player, 1,200 ain't jack. The Los >Angeles station, the former Arrow 93.1, declared: 'We're gonna play >what we want.' The music is chosen by a program director; the DJs >still have no say. That, along with the huge commercial loads, is >what's been driving listeners away." > >96.7, BOB-FM in Santa Rosa and the newest "Jack/Bob/et al" at 92.1 >in Sacramento (Placerville) haven't done anything for me, either... > > > They might call it "variety" to play Van Morrison followed by > > Hoobastank, but if you're expecting them to pull out some obscure > > album tracks or non-Top-40 singles which haven't been heard on the > > radio in years, then you'll be disappointed because their tight > > playlist doesn't allow such a thing. I bet if you called them up and > > requested something like "22 Steps" by Andy Stochansky or "Little > > Black Backpack" by Stroke Nine, they'd just laugh at you and/or say > > "Who do you think we are? WXPN?" (That's Philly's non-commercial > > free-form AOR station, which actually _does_ play those kind of > > rarely-heard non-hit songs.) > >I agree wholeheartedly, Kevin... >-jay > >What's the GoldVine about? >< http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > >-- >_______________________________________________ >NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at >once. >http://datingsearch.lycos.com > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Mon Apr 04 06:17:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93442 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2005 13:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2005 13:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2005 13:17:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2005 13:17:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2005 13:17:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:17:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 45 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.115.230 From: "Tom" Subject: {AMSF} Re: "Jack" Radio (more like "Jack S..." Radio) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 See what happens if I'm not Music Director? From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Apr 04 15:21:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89719 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2005 22:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2005 22:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2005 22:21:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2005 22:20:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2005 22:20:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 22:20:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c538af$bf67f2a0$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 399 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.89.146.146 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: SONGS THAT SOUND AWESOME IN C-QUAM STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Some of my personal fave stereo mixes: TLC (Tender Love and Care) - Jimmie Rodgers Madison Time Part 1 - Ray Bryant Combo Cast Your Fate to the Wind - Vince Guaraldi Trio Norman - Sue Thompson We Can Fly - The Cowsills Cry to Me - Solomon Burke The Inner Light - The Beatles Jungle - ELO Diamonds and Pearls - The Paradons A Swingin' Safari - Bert Kaempfert And this: http://tinyurl.com/6krqx ;-) From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Mon Apr 04 18:52:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67371 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2005 01:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2005 01:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2005 01:52:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2005 01:52:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2005 01:52:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 01:52:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2456 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.178.147.123 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: "Jack" Radio (more like "Jack S..." Radio) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: >=20 > The thing that really bugs me about these stations is the fact that > there is very little personality. It's just an annoying, sarcastic > liner voice and, maybe, a jock reading a card after running down a > list of the last eight songs twice an hour=85 It is my opinion that > radio needs to be offering a lot more than music if it is going to > compete with new technologies. Music is easy to get now and it's > everywhere. Radio should be doing what it does best. Informing and > entertaining listeners on a local level and not trying to compete with > an iPod. That concept is completely ludicrous in the first place! I > can skip around and pick exactly what I want to hear on my iPod; radio > can't do that and never will be able to do so. Why would you point > that fact out by trying to compare yourself with it? Better, more > entertaining content between the songs is what's needed. Of course, > that requires investment in talent and radio has become to cheap to > even consider it.=20 >=20 > These stations are all flash and no boom. Companies are putting these > stations on their underperforming properties because they are cheap > and require very little maintenance. You could easily run a station > like this off of a laptop commuter! Once the novelty wears off, > they'll go away or evolve into something else.=20=20 >=20 > It's a fad and it will burn itself out when owners realize that there > is no future in it. There may be some good that comes from it, > though. It could open up some minds in the industry and be a catalyst > for change in mainstream thinking. We'll see=85 If it doesn't, we're > watching the final stage in radio headlong plunge into self inflicted > obsolescence. >=20 > :( >=20 > JC These are my feelings exactly. It's becoming more and more evident that the majority of companies who own = and operate=20 radio stations, really have no love for radio. Oh, they see the profit pot= ential of the=20 medium but that's it. They fail to make use of what it is that makes radio= special; live DJ's=20 spinning discs and taking requests. AM stereo is for those who truly love = radio.=20=20 Without that a listener might as well just have an iPod on shuffle and avoi= d the annoying=20 canned chatter of voice-tracking and misfired programming (like Jack radio)= that was=20 derived from demographic studies rather than from the heart. db From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Apr 04 19:56:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67530 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2005 02:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2005 02:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2005 02:56:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 57790 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2005 02:56:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=hE+3Bn8a9RwgQhuboVy+HA6e2Hamb1ZCJGTrcT9usZpncEbIZ6MqT3dnd7HBtIm+yN7E5AmLMBkgbVCcemaJGjoAFL28Rodq02axR7jUyTh9XTfNX/HNNBV1r8rkO+FBvHcovHRy9+dIndBpPSnfvVRffW4rWP7y7M0ecx85Krk= ; Message-ID: <20050405025624.57788.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.162.222.143] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:56:24 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:56:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 216.136.172.146 From: "John P." Subject: How to save radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio "Joe Collins" wrote: Subject: SONGS THAT SOUND AWESOME IN C-QUAM STEREO My short list:..... CFCO-AM Stereo 630 plays about 16 of those songs in AM Stereo, and that's why they're top rated in their town, BUT, in addition to stereo AM music, they have LOCAL news at the top of every hour, REAL on-air people most of the day, on air people that chit-chat a little, they still have on-air notices for lost cats and dogs, plus twice a day radio ebay buy/sell/trade; in other words, a broadcast property that actually serves the public interest, while providing entertainment, local news, local contests for local businesses, plus providing damn high-quality audio for the region. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Mon Apr 04 21:59:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67002 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2005 04:59:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2005 04:59:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2005 04:59:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2005 04:59:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2005 04:59:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 04:59:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2649 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.171.112 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: "Jack" Radio (more like "Jack S..." Radio) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Amen.=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004"=20 wrote: >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: > >=20 > > The thing that really bugs me about these stations is the fact=20 that > > there is very little personality. It's just an annoying,=20 sarcastic > > liner voice and, maybe, a jock reading a card after running down=20 a > > list of the last eight songs twice an hour=85 It is my opinion=20 that > > radio needs to be offering a lot more than music if it is going=20 to > > compete with new technologies. Music is easy to get now and it's > > everywhere. Radio should be doing what it does best. Informing=20 and > > entertaining listeners on a local level and not trying to=20 compete with > > an iPod. That concept is completely ludicrous in the first=20 place! I > > can skip around and pick exactly what I want to hear on my iPod;=20 radio > > can't do that and never will be able to do so. Why would you=20 point > > that fact out by trying to compare yourself with it? Better,=20 more > > entertaining content between the songs is what's needed. Of=20 course, > > that requires investment in talent and radio has become to cheap=20 to > > even consider it.=20 > >=20 > > These stations are all flash and no boom. Companies are putting=20 these > > stations on their underperforming properties because they are=20 cheap > > and require very little maintenance. You could easily run a=20 station > > like this off of a laptop commuter! Once the novelty wears off, > > they'll go away or evolve into something else.=20=20 > >=20 > > It's a fad and it will burn itself out when owners realize that=20 there > > is no future in it. There may be some good that comes from it, > > though. It could open up some minds in the industry and be a=20 catalyst > > for change in mainstream thinking. We'll see=85 If it doesn't,=20=20 we're > > watching the final stage in radio headlong plunge into self=20 inflicted > > obsolescence. > >=20 > > :( > >=20 > > JC >=20 >=20 > These are my feelings exactly. >=20 > It's becoming more and more evident that the majority of companies=20 who own and operate=20 > radio stations, really have no love for radio. Oh, they see the=20 profit potential of the=20 > medium but that's it. They fail to make use of what it is that=20 makes radio special; live DJ's=20 > spinning discs and taking requests. AM stereo is for those who=20 truly love radio.=20=20 >=20 > Without that a listener might as well just have an iPod on shuffle=20 and avoid the annoying=20 > canned chatter of voice-tracking and misfired programming (like=20 Jack radio) that was=20 > derived from demographic studies rather than from the heart. >=20 > db From jon@kenneke.com Tue Apr 05 00:24:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@kenneke.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29071 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2005 07:24:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2005 07:24:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sherlock.kenneke.com) (65.103.64.194) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2005 07:24:28 -0000 Received: from kenneke.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherlock.kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j357ORH9005148 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 00:24:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id j357OR3w005145 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 00:24:27 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 00:24:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Originating-IP: 65.103.64.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: jon Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Jack" Radio (more like "Jack S..." Radio) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77819664 X-Yahoo-Profile: jonkenneke AMS From mark_608@hotmail.com Tue Apr 05 06:14:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81281 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2005 13:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2005 13:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.175.25) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2005 13:14:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 06:14:17 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.175.202 by by104fd.bay104.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:14:16 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050405025624.57788.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 09:14:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2005 13:14:17.0084 (UTC) FILETIME=[5ECCEBC0:01C539E1] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.175.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Mark Sundquist" Subject: RE: {AMSF} How to save radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 You are absolutely right, John! CFCO is a wonderful station. I feel very lucky to live close enough to listen to them day or night.(Just north of Detroit) I was thinking the same thing when I saw that song list...it looked like a CFCO play list! :) Hopefully they stay around for a long, long time... Mark Warren,MI > >CFCO-AM Stereo 630 plays about 16 of those songs in AM Stereo, and that's >why >they're top rated in their town, >BUT, in addition to stereo AM music, they have LOCAL news at the top of >every >hour, REAL on-air people most of the day, on air people that chit-chat a >little, they still have on-air notices for lost cats and dogs, plus twice a >day >radio ebay buy/sell/trade; > >in other words, a broadcast property that actually serves the public >interest, >while providing entertainment, local news, local contests for local >businesses, >plus providing damn high-quality audio for the region. > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Make Yahoo! your home page >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From kya1260@lycos.com Tue Apr 05 07:22:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77684 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2005 14:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2005 14:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2005 14:22:35 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 0E8701800281 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 14:22:46 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 5 Apr 2005 14:22:47 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 02CB186B10; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 14:22:47 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 06:22:47 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 06:22:47 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050405142247.02CB186B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Jack" Radio (more like "Jack S..." Radio) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Agreed, J.C.... This is what happens when an "art form" is turned into an attempted "perfect science"... --jay ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: "Jack" Radio (more like "Jack S..." Radio) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 04:59:31 -0000 >=20 >=20 > Amen. >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: > > > > The thing that really bugs me about these stations is the fact > that > > > there is very little personality. It's just an annoying, > sarcastic > > > liner voice and, maybe, a jock reading a card after running down > a > > > list of the last eight songs twice an hour… It is my opinion > that > > > radio needs to be offering a lot more than music if it is going > to > > > compete with new technologies. Music is easy to get now and it's > > > everywhere. Radio should be doing what it does best. Informing > and > > > entertaining listeners on a local level and not trying to > compete with > > > an iPod. That concept is completely ludicrous in the first > place! I > > > can skip around and pick exactly what I want to hear on my iPod; > radio > > > can't do that and never will be able to do so. Why would you > point > > > that fact out by trying to compare yourself with it? Better, > more > > > entertaining content between the songs is what's needed. Of > course, > > > that requires investment in talent and radio has become to cheap > to > > > even consider it. > > These stations are all flash and no boom.=20 > > Companies are putting > these > > > stations on their underperforming properties because they are > cheap > > > and require very little maintenance. You could easily run a > station > > > like this off of a laptop commuter! Once the novelty wears off, > > > they'll go away or evolve into something else. > > It's a fad=20 > > and it will burn itself out when owners realize that > there > > > is no future in it. There may be some good that comes from it, > > > though. It could open up some minds in the industry and be a > catalyst > > > for change in mainstream thinking. We'll see… If it doesn't, > we're > > > watching the final stage in radio headlong plunge into self > inflicted > > > obsolescence. > > > > :( > > > > JC > > > > > > These are my feelings exactly. > > > > It's becoming more and more evident that the majority of companies > who own and operate > > radio stations, really have no love for radio. Oh, they see the > profit potential of the > > medium but that's it. They fail to make use of what it is that > makes radio special; live DJ's > > spinning discs and taking requests. AM stereo is for those who > truly love radio. > > > > Without that a listener might as well just have an iPod on shuffle > and avoid the annoying > > canned chatter of voice-tracking and misfired programming (like > Jack radio) that was > > derived from demographic studies rather than from the heart. > > > > db What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. 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Their site does not seem to show a streaming link. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 05 11:32:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24767 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2005 18:32:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2005 18:32:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2005 18:32:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2005 18:31:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2005 18:31:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:31:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 762 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.111.117 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How to save radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Sundquist" wrote: > > You are absolutely right, John! CFCO is a wonderful station. I feel very > lucky to live close enough to listen to them day or night.(Just north of > Detroit) I was thinking the same thing when I saw that song list...it > looked like a CFCO play list! :) Hopefully they stay around for a long, long > time... As long as Industry Canada (which has authority over broadcasting in the Great White North) doesn't officially abandon analog mediumwave broadcasting (the AM broadcast band, for the less-initiated), CFCO should be around for years to come, exactly as it's enjoyed, now. :) We need more CFCO airchecks, too. Hey, why lose a good thing? ;) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 05 11:36:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3925 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2005 18:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2005 18:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2005 18:36:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2005 18:36:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2005 18:36:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:36:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 159 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.111.117 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: CFCO (was Re: {AMSF} How to save radio) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie And here, you can find some CFCO samples, for those (like me) who are too far away to appreciate the station live: http://tinyurl.com/6gkfm Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From mcseke@rogers.com Tue Apr 05 20:10:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mcseke@rogers.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30843 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2005 03:10:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2005 03:10:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2005 03:10:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2005 03:10:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2005 03:10:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 03:10:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 473 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.231.77.147 From: "miklos" Subject: Pioneer F9 mod. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118698225 X-Yahoo-Profile: mikloscseke Hello, I have a Pioneer F9 AM/FM tuner, with an output connector for an outboard AM stereo decoder. This tuner have a unusually good AM section with selectable wide/narrow setting. The wide AM sounds real good here in Toronto on the local stations. I wonder what would be the easiest way to build an outboard ,or onboard decoder to this tuner? What chip to use, where to get it etc. Any hint or pointing to the right direction would be highly appreciated. Thanks, Miklos From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Tue Apr 05 20:23:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79999 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2005 03:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2005 03:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2005 03:23:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2005 03:23:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2005 03:23:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 03:23:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 143 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.249.34.82 From: "pabigelow" Subject: KAAM 770 needs separation. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, I've written KAAM to find out what's happening to the stereo separation -- there's none and it's been going on for weeks/months. Paul From badeditpro@cox.net Tue Apr 05 21:12:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29556 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2005 04:12:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2005 04:12:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2005 04:12:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2005 04:12:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2005 04:12:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 04:12:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 353 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: CFCO (was Re: {AMSF} How to save radio) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > And here, you can find some CFCO samples, for those (like me) who are > too far away to appreciate the station live: > > http://tinyurl.com/6gkfm > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Hey Amy, Thanks for posting that link. Their audio is outstanding! Made me smile real big! : ) JC From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Apr 06 02:54:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39405 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2005 09:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2005 09:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2005 09:54:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2005 09:53:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2005 09:53:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 09:53:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 867 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.144.72.254 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: KAAM 770 needs separation. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 From what I understand, Crawford Broadcasting (owners of KAAM) are behind IBOC, and are simply waiting for nighttime approval to commence using it on their AMs...They're pretty much 'on track' with their FMs but have not put it on any of their AMs. As much as I'm for IBOC, I'm not sure I want it at night. Then again, I don't even know what the point of them trying to have the pilot on is if they've restricted the bandwidth down to 6 khz. at Crawford. I'd rather have full frequency audio in Mono than 6 khz. in Stereo...Unless you're France Bleu and you *have* to have restricted audio because you're in Europe. --tony --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pabigelow" wrote: > > Hello, > > I've written KAAM to find out what's happening to the stereo > separation -- there's none and it's been going on for weeks/months. > > Paul From starship_2001@msn.com Wed Apr 06 03:36:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87067 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2005 10:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2005 10:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2005 10:36:35 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 03:36:35 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:36:34 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 06:36:33 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <18179-4253BBB1-5614@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Amy Mousie" 's message of Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:36:05 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2005 10:36:35.0134 (UTC) FILETIME=[8173ADE0:01C53A94] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: starship_2001@msn.com (Norbert 26) From: starship_2001@msn.com Subject: Re: CFCO (was Re: {AMSF} How to save radio) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for posting the link to it. Thats one station i can't possibly DX i have a strong local on 630 can't even hear them under it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditpro@cox.net Wed Apr 06 10:22:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24510 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2005 17:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2005 17:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2005 17:22:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2005 17:22:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2005 17:22:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:22:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2524 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: KAAM 770 needs separation/IBOC AT NIGHT. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > As much as I'm for IBOC, I'm not sure I want it at night. >=20 Tony, What is the point of having a transmission system that you can't use after the sun goes down?=20=20 I can see it now, John Q. Listener is driving home through rush hour traffic on a rainy winter evening, passing the time by listening to the radio. Suddenly, there is a pause in the programming and, BAMMM, the audio switches from a fairly listenable digital stream to a 5 kHz analog signal loaded with static and noise=85 John Q thinks to himself, "Guess it's time to punch up XM or pop in a CD=85" From a broadcaster's point of view, that is an unacceptable scenario. No sir, If this IBOC scheme is going to ever work on AM, they will have to allow night time operation. At this time, the only way I can see them doing that is if they mandate a huge reshuffling of frequency assignments in this country. They may even have to lower the highest legal power to 25,000 watts or less=85 Say bye-bye to the clear channels! A lot of smaller stations might just have to go away altogether=85=20 Not one of the new ideas introduced to AM transmission in the last 50 years, like AM stereo or NRSC I and NRSC II, has ever effected the propagation characteristics of AM. Every new advance has been able to work within the allotted channels and at full power up to now. I can't for the life of me understand why companies are rushing to this technology. They are spending millions of dollars on a system that does not work as advertised and is going to do way more harm than good if fully implemented. Yeah, the idea that you can transmit hi-fi stereo digital audio on the AM band is enticing but this system is flawed from the bottom up. This is probably the worst case of `go fever' I have ever seen in an otherwise conservative radio industry. IBOC is not the magic bullet that it is touted as being and many people know this but they are ignoring the glaring shortcomings of the system and forging ahead just so they can hang a sign that says `digital' on their product=85.=20=20 Hey, there are far more AM Stereo radios out there than HD capable sets and from what I've seen, the interest in IBOC on the consumer level is just about nil=85 We're wasting time and valuable resources on this. Companies should take the money they are dumping into IBOC and give it to the programming department. That's where it's needed the most these days! Just my humble opinion=85 : ) JC From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Apr 06 17:59:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32714 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2005 00:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2005 00:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.18.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2005 00:59:33 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 17:59:32 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.63 by by24fd.bay24.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 00:59:32 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 00:59:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2005 00:59:32.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F6AFA90:01C53B0D] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.18.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: KAAM 770 needs separation/IBOC AT NIGHT. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 In reference to IBOC, JC wrote: >Companies should take the >money they are dumping into >IBOC and give it to the >programming department. >That's where it's needed the >most these days! >Just my humble opinion… >: ) >JC ~~~~~~~~~~~~ A very intelligent and common sense solution/opinion...... of course a common sense solution like that would never fly in the current broadcast corporate mindset. Donn, in st petersburg listening to my xm From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Apr 06 21:42:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90840 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2005 04:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2005 04:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14225.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.109) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2005 04:42:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 40567 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2005 04:42:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=CA2kxUKvPizYRbDHsyKgAlCCCbk9E8zM4lfG0+TbbH9fmDzbivM1T/Oq5yCGHXuyrkrd6HmG/W0XAloDRynO6dfb8kFs5F/Y9V7mJGvN04NRneEO5zDf0raOd2EAOc/TlmAlwGSrIdRVpRa0nVta7SmwXNK3NixHeMNf7YOp+HQ= ; Message-ID: <20050407044215.40565.qmail@web14225.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.162.222.143] by web14225.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:42:15 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:42:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 66.163.171.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John P." Subject: AM Stereo Soundbites X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Here's another spot where you can hear WJR and CFCO in AM Stereo from a Fanfare AM Stereo tuner http://www.fanfare.com/soundbites.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Apr 07 05:51:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49310 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2005 12:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2005 12:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52003.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.59) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2005 12:51:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 77575 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2005 12:50:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=HuDrtEO/RHoU/sRv5G5dx3S6lFMXaZD8RNzi3WvI9ScTGKQbEaRwqTAChq57IdGaYSrojXEy10sDDNVQzyYpL/RbnHnOlXifbqE6rAmqC4wCTS7xiPIwyq+Y8MYttRzPW4a/T8w1zI2PCXqcCZPZ1iyQaB5hexttE1AR2qJ4ia8= ; Message-ID: <20050407125012.77573.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.109.199.187] by web52003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 05:50:12 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 05:50:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: JNR Subject: WSOS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I got back Tuesday from spending a week in St. Augustine and 1170/WSOS-St. Augustine Beach is sounding GOOD! They're either the best or the 2nd best-sounding A.M. Stereo station I've ever heard. When I first heard them, I thought they sounded as good as an F.M. station. Props to Alan Alsobrook & the other engineers there, and yes, I was able to record it. Fresh A.M. Stereo from this past Monday. Unfortunately I don't have the capability of transfering it to the computer. 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From brucec@mindspring.com Thu Apr 07 11:19:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19863 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2005 18:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2005 18:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2005 18:19:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2005 18:19:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2005 18:19:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 18:18:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1852 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.91.75.30 From: "Bruce Carter" Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM 770 needs separation/IBOC AT NIGHT. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter This is not quite the worst example of engineering I have ever seen. At least lives are not at stake. I think it is a case of the "suits" - engineers turned managers intimidating younger, less experienced engineers into submission. In other words: BULLIES. A "suit" comes up with this hairbrained scheme, and no matter how fundamentally flawed, they persuade everybody in corporate to go along with it. Hey - they dress alike, they are all authority freaks - it will work because they SAY it will work. Sometimes I call that Harry Potter engineering - since they think they can change objective reality by the force of their mind. Anyway - anybody on the inside or outside of the organization that dares say different is marginalized or otherwise silenced. NASA is a good example of the place being run by "suits" - turncoat engineers turned managers: (1) Engineers warn it is too cold. They launch the shuttle anyway. 7 dead. (2) Insulating foam on the external shuttle tank is changed from a soft compound to an environmentally acceptable harder compound. A chunk breaks free, damaging the shuttle. It burns up on reentry. More dead. When is the last time you heard a recommendation that they return to the old insulating compound? Try never - more "suits" mandating that the hard brittle foam damage be repairable in space - instead of the obvious solution. Now - put this in terms of AM IBOC. Proponents only think about their own station, their own problems - and the rest of the stations, listeners, and areas of the country be damned by their legally broadcasted jammming. Some day - and it may not be too far off - workplace bullying and intimidation will be subject to litigation. And engineering decisions may, for once, be based on science and facts, instead of economics and intimidation. From jimmyyearwood@msn.com Thu Apr 07 11:20:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmyyearwood@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25843 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2005 18:20:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2005 18:20:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2005 18:20:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2005 18:20:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2005 18:20:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 18:20:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 994 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.73.3.180 From: "jimmyyearwood" Subject: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153993962 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimmyyearwood When was the last time you heard sombody talk about a radio station they realy like?.......anybody?.......hands?.....Bueller? I think the general public's reaction will sound someting like this:"Great! Now I can listen to the same 30 songs (or even less!) over and over and over or right wing propaganda in digital! And I have to repace my radio to do so! Oh goodie! I think I'll play another CD." Most people ane listening to their own stuff on CDs,MPs,MDs,or even cassette tape.I think IBOC is doomed to fail,or drive even more of the audience away than the programing already has. You think it's hard to find an AM stereo radio.....have you seen an IBOC receiver anywhere? Ever? Think you ever will? The same people who didn't buy AM stereo are going to rush right out to not buy IBOC too. Does anybody realy think a 96kb/s stream is aceptable audio? I know AM with it's high frequency cut off dosn't sound real good(on a normal radio),but 96kb/s is bound to be worse!...8) From badeditpro@cox.net Thu Apr 07 14:11:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24555 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2005 21:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2005 21:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.240.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2005 21:11:05 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.0.17.189]) by lakermmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050407211101.ZSWK29182.lakermmtao01.cox.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 17:11:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c53bb6$4dadce50$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 17:11:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: CRL SPP-800 ..DOA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, My CRL SPP-800 arrived today. I hooked it up with eager anticipation but was terribly disappointed to only get a strong hum out of it.... I popped off the top and all looks well. Nothing is burned-out looking and it didn't smell like fried electronics... The LED's all come on but there is no indication that the audio is getting into the unit at all. I contacted the guy I bought it from but I doubt if he even knows what the thing does so I doubt he'll be any help.... Needless to say, I'm totally bummed out! Anyhow, are there any engineers here who would be interested in making a little extra money for troubleshooting this thing for me? CRL wants $300 up front just to put on the bench! That does not include parts or extra labor, either! I can't put that kind of money out up front but I will fairly compensate anybody who wants to take a crack at it for their time and effort. Shoot me an e-mail if you're interested... Thanks :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Thu Apr 07 15:51:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1452 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2005 22:51:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2005 22:51:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.181) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2005 22:51:36 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:51:36 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 69.34.164.207 by BAY22-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:51:35 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: <000601c53bb6$4dadce50$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:49:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2005 22:51:36.0013 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A0987D0:01C53BC4] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.16.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CRL SPP-800 ..DOA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll take a crack at it. I think i know what is wrong already. look in the power supply section. the culprits are either the rectifier bridge(diodes). or the Voltage Regulators. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis (kc8gpd) Universal Life Ministries [ULC] http://www.freecycle.org http://www.part15.us [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditpro@cox.net Thu Apr 07 16:13:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46898 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2005 23:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2005 23:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2005 23:13:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2005 23:13:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2005 23:13:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:13:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 809 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: CRL SPP-800 ..DOA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > I'll take a crack at it. I think i know what is wrong already. look in the power supply section. the culprits are either the rectifier bridge(diodes). or the Voltage Regulators. >=20 Robert, I believe you are correct! I got a call back from CRL and the gentlemen who answered confirmed my suspensions and yours=85. I took the top off and looked at it carefully. There are two small LED's that indicate + and - DC power going into the motherboard and only the + one is lit=85 The CRL tech said that replacing the electrolytic caps would fix the problem=85.=20=20 I will contact you off the board so we can make arrangements. I would be most grateful if you would consider recapping it for me! Thank You! : ) JC From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Apr 07 17:18:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66189 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2005 00:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2005 00:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2005 00:18:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2005 00:18:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2005 00:18:38 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50601 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2005 23:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2005 23:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2005 23:32:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2005 23:32:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2005 23:32:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:32:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1221 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.105.108.90 From: "pianoplayer88key" Subject: Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 08 Apr 2005 00:18:37 -0000 actually, imho, a 96kbps 22kHz (11kHz highest frequency) stereo lame-encoded mp3 is pretty good to my ear. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimmyyearwood" wrote: > > When was the last time you heard sombody talk about a radio station > they realy like?.......anybody?.......hands?.....Bueller? I think the > general public's reaction will sound someting like this:"Great! Now I > can listen to the same 30 songs (or even less!) over and over and over > or right wing propaganda in digital! And I have to repace my radio to > do so! Oh goodie! I think I'll play another CD." Most people ane > listening to their own stuff on CDs,MPs,MDs,or even cassette tape.I > think IBOC is doomed to fail,or drive even more of the audience away > than the programing already has. > > You think it's hard to find an AM stereo radio.....have you seen an > IBOC receiver anywhere? Ever? Think you ever will? The same people who > didn't buy AM stereo are going to rush right out to not buy IBOC too. > > Does anybody realy think a 96kb/s stream is aceptable audio? I know AM > with it's high frequency cut off dosn't sound real good(on a normal > radio),but > 96kb/s is bound to be worse!...8) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 07 17:28:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71732 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2005 00:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2005 00:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2005 00:28:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2005 00:28:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2005 00:28:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 00:28:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 563 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.74.136 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: CRL SPP-800 ..DOA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I believe you are correct! I got a call back from CRL and the > gentlemen who answered confirmed my suspensions and yours=85. I took > the top off and looked at it carefully. There are two small LED's > that indicate + and - DC power going into the motherboard and only > the + one is lit=85 The CRL tech said that replacing the > electrolytic caps would fix the problem.... There are also "Lo Status" and "Hi Status" LEDs, indicating the=20 correct functioning of the dual-band processing structure, which=20 should be lit continuously if everything is OK. From badeditpro@cox.net Thu Apr 07 17:36:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17781 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2005 00:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2005 00:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2005 00:36:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2005 00:36:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2005 00:36:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 00:36:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 458 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: CRL SPP-800 ..DOA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions > There are also "Lo Status" and "Hi Status" LEDs, indicating the > correct functioning of the dual-band processing structure, which > should be lit continuously if everything is OK. Nope, just the one LED is lit indicating that the + 15 volt leg of the power supply is working.... Nothing else except the calibration lights on all the time. They are blinking at what looks like a 60 cucle rate so I'm sure it's the bad power causing them to do that. From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Apr 07 17:49:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32644 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2005 00:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2005 00:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.241.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2005 00:49:47 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050408004947.PELY1282.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 20:49:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0d13dd94edc55ae5efbb3240e9228751@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 17:49:45 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner For traditional radio? About 1986. Today, I love a few channels on Sirius. On Apr 7, 2005, at 11:20 AM, jimmyyearwood wrote: > When was the last time you heard sombody talk about a radio station > they realy like?.......anybody?.......hands? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Apr 08 06:27:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18717 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2005 13:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2005 13:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2005 13:27:46 -0000 X-Node: 1 Received: from stodd (modem0145-pli-tnt-mpls1.cpinternet.com [64.61.217.145]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j38DPwdE012470 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:25:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003b01c53c3f$124efda0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:29:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually the morning show on KTIS-FM is constantly #2 or #3, of course it helps they have Twin Cities broadcasting legend Chuck Knapp doing most of it, and they give him a fair amount of free reign. I listen to them most mornings driving to work. www.ktis.fm 5-9A central if you want to listen in. Outside of drive times it's not nearly as good- all voice-tracked. As to your second point, 96kbps sounds pretty good- our local classical caster had temporarily installed it as part of a BE demo on a Taste of NAB Road Show a few years back. However there was no noticeable improvement over the analog except in areas with high multipath. Just wait til they split up the program streams- THEN it might become noticeable. Can't imagine the low bit rate AM rate won't still have artifacts. Just take the already data compressed satellite talk feeds and transcode 'em once more, it should sound hideous. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimmyyearwood" To: Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: {AMSF} IBOC..my $.02 > > > When was the last time you heard sombody talk about a radio station > they realy like?.......anybody?.......hands?..... > Does anybody realy think a 96kb/s stream is aceptable audio? I know AM > with it's high frequency cut off dosn't sound real good(on a normal > radio),but > 96kb/s is bound to be worse!...8) From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Apr 08 06:36:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32204 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2005 13:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2005 13:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2005 13:36:18 -0000 X-Node: 4 Received: from stodd (modem0145-pli-tnt-mpls1.cpinternet.com [64.61.217.145]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j38DaF04011304 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:36:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005101c53c40$81e3f160$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:40:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CRL SPP-800 ..DOA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ANYTIME you get a piece of equipment that old expect to replace the electrolytics. Mike Patton, an engineer who will still work on AM stereo gear, won't touch it unless it's been recapped either by the owner or himself. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JC" I believe you are correct! I got a call back from CRL and the gentlemen who answered confirmed my suspensions and yours.. I took the top off and looked at it carefully. There are two small LED's that indicate + and - DC power going into the motherboard and only the + one is lit. The CRL tech said that replacing the electrolytic caps would fix the problem.. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Apr 08 06:41:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59254 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2005 13:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2005 13:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2005 13:41:01 -0000 X-Node: 2 Received: from stodd (modem0145-pli-tnt-mpls1.cpinternet.com [64.61.217.145]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j38DevQI019884 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:40:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006301c53c41$29f833c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:44:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM 770 needs separation/IBOC AT NIGHT. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'm glad I'm not in that position. If I were, however, I'd do what another guy did and write a reply memo saying I'd do it, but it's against my better judgement that it be done. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Carter" > > > This is not quite the worst example of engineering I have ever > seen. At least lives are not at stake. I think it is a case of > the "suits" - engineers turned managers intimidating younger, less > experienced engineers into submission. In other words: BULLIES. > A "suit" comes up with this hairbrained scheme, and no matter how > fundamentally flawed, they persuade everybody in corporate to go > along with it. Hey - they dress alike, they are all authority > freaks - it will work because they SAY it will work. Sometimes I > call that Harry Potter engineering - since they think they can > change objective reality by the force of their mind. Anyway - > anybody on the inside or outside of the organization that dares say > different is marginalized or otherwise silenced. From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Apr 08 08:55:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26945 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2005 15:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2005 15:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.185) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2005 15:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@68.22.243.241 with login) by smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2005 15:55:39 -0000 Message-ID: <007e01c53c53$68b4d200$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:55:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > Does anybody realy think a 96kb/s stream is aceptable audio? I know AM > with it's high frequency cut off dosn't sound real good(on a normal > radio),but > 96kb/s is bound to be worse!...8) If you think 96kb/s is bad audio, here's an example of what's coming with IBOC on the FM dial: ******************************* From yesterday's All Access-Net News: ******************************* NPR affiliate WFAE/CHARLOTTE has become the first station to test digital multicasting of two supplemental audio channels using HD RADIO. Last weeks' tests used BROADCAST ELECTRONICS' new IDi 20 importer unit. The station's main feed was set at 64 kb/s and the two additional streams were sent at 16 kb/s each. ******************************* Main feed at 64 kb/s and aux. streams at 16kb/s? Reminds me of a station I worked for with Muzak on their FM subcarrier. The tapes that played the music ran it 3 3/4 ips (at a time when most broadcast audio from automation systems ran at 15 ips (or 7 1/2 at the very least). Due to the slow tape speed, the frequency response was narrow and the audio always sounded 'muddy', but everyone claimed it was "just background music" so it didn't have to sound like that. I'm not sure what the frequency response of the, but I'll bet it beats the audio produced by a 16 kb/s stream. They could have done the same using WFAE's main carrier for their NPR audio, and used the subcarrier for one of the aux. streams. It sure would have sounded better. 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I'm in san francisco (for postage calculation) -mike From w6yn@juno.com Fri Apr 08 10:08:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4026 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2005 17:08:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2005 17:08:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2005 17:08:34 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBFPQV4ALJEG42 for (sender ); Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:08:10 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLNPZoOjIwM38lqIDKbMj9sE= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KP33H298; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:06:59 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 09:39:50 -0700 Message-ID: <20050408.100557.2776.4.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ContentStamp: 3:4:3936081512 X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Hash to return X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn IBOC HASH DISCONTINUED ON KMXE? KMXE, 830 kHz, Orange, California appears to have dropped IBOC, or have they? According to Kent Kramer, Director of Engineering for the station, KMXE has not dropped IBOC at all. There is a problem with the emergency IBOC bypass circuit installed in the station's transmitter. It's stuck in the bypass mode, removing IBOC from the air. Kent indicates that IBOC should return to the air soon. From w6yn@juno.com Fri Apr 08 11:42:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27640 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2005 18:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2005 18:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2005 18:42:39 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBFPWEVALL7JQJ for (sender ); Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:42:27 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLLUFotjKlx0a36yt5wxnbi8= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KP38YDQU; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 11:42:11 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:41:10 -0700 Message-ID: <20050408.114111.2776.5.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,8-9 X-ContentStamp: 3:4:1380089025 X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Ibiquity hash at NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Consumer Manufacturers to Spell Out Support for HD Radio Rollout Several consumer electronics representatives plan to detail how they will support the HD Radio rollout at a press conference held by Ibiquity Digital at the upcoming NAB show. By the end of 2005, Ibiquity predicts, a dozen receiver manufacturers will offer HD Radio products in categories that include after market automotive, tabletop, and high-end home. Representatives from Boston Acoustics, Good Guys, Panasonic, Polk Audio and Sanyo are planned to speak at the event Tuesday, April 19. From w6yn@juno.com Fri Apr 08 11:51:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36426 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2005 18:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2005 18:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2005 18:51:17 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBFPWV5AXJ7H5S for (sender ); Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:50:35 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLNSvVLmlhjKtsUEjzqjtDrQ= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KP39E35N; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 11:50:13 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:49:43 -0700 Message-ID: <20050408.114944.2776.7.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-10,12-32767 X-ContentStamp: 2:2:88444757 X-MAIL-INFO:31cf079f33efbe973adeaabecadeaa57aa4a63171a9a63dbda4a6a17eac34a9eeac32bc30b5f1fee8b6b5f27ee27ce8e679ba3eece87ef9f77be07139ff7afaae78f1faa1af71aaa4adb3aca63cb3a3f375a37bef7c393736a6bf36aa3ea6bc71ec71abb7713ab1aabda5e73eef71adacee70afe477f670a2f23039a8bc7030e2f0e03e3434b3b2e834bebd757d7472f87cf5a3777ef37f707779fbe X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Hash in the Trib X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HD Radio in the Trib The Chicago Tribune took a look at HD Radio this weekend. www.chicagotribune.com/technology/chi-0504030424apr03,1,812636.story?coll =chi-techtopheds-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aalso@netzero.com Sat Apr 09 08:00:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22396 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 15:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 15:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 15:00:03 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([66.157.239.253]) by imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with ESMTP id <20050409150002.BNET2186.imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2005 11:00:02 -0400 Message-ID: <4257EDE5.6000605@netzero.com> Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 10:59:49 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1112884940.1462.14422.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1112884940.1462.14422.m12@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 205.152.59.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: Re: WSOS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr Hi Jay, Thanks, Parky B and Ron G were on site with me when I did the last tune up on it. Alan >Subject: WSOS > >I got back Tuesday from spending a week in St. >Augustine and 1170/WSOS-St. Augustine Beach is >sounding GOOD! They're either the best or the >2nd best-sounding A.M. Stereo station I've ever >heard. When I first heard them, I thought they >sounded as good as an F.M. station. Props to >Alan Alsobrook & the other engineers there, and >yes, I was able to record it. Fresh A.M. Stereo >from this past Monday. Unfortunately I don't >have the capability of transfering it to the >computer. > > > From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Apr 09 08:45:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24261 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 15:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 15:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 15:45:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 15:45:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 15:45:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 15:45:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2237 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.172.198.66 From: "Douglas" Subject: Re: KAAM 770 needs separation. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee Hi, everyone... I'm in off-and-on e-mail contact with KAAM's engineer, Hue Beavers. He's a very nice guy and a fan of C-Quam, which you might guess since KAAM has been in stereo right up until Clear Channel's Jeff Littlejohn had the bright idea to start narrowing signal bandwidths BEFORE any IBOC equipment had been installed in Clear Channel's AM stations. For whatever reason, last December, Crawford's corporate engineer agreed that this was a good idea and sent word to KAAM that it would have to reduce its bandwidth from 10 kHz to 6. Incidentally, KAAM has no plans to convert to IBOC until its night time use is approved by the FCC. So... Crawford has chosen the path of poor audio for an unknowable period of time. I've been watching KAAM's 12+ ratings, and they ARE falling. KAAM had more than a 1 share this time last year; and now it's at a 0.6. Very nearly a 50 percent drop! Yikes!!! Now keep in mind, even at 6 kHz bandwidth, Hue would STILL have KAAM broadcasting in C-Quam, BUT... According to an e-mail from him a couple of months ago, there is no L-R info on KAAM's AM stereo right now. The microwave receiver isn't decoding the stereo info coming from the studio; only the L+R. KAAM switched to an Omnia processing unit in December, and THAT has not been too compatible with KAAM's C-Quam gear (or that's my understanding). KAAM isn't a big outfit. Hue Beavers is retained as a contract employee-- meanwhile, he's the full-time engineer for KLIF 570 (and maybe 1310 The Ticket, I'm not sure). So it's my impression that he simply doesn't have the time to solve the Omnia's compatibity problem with the C-Quam gear. Plus, I doubt that he considers 6 kHz of stereo a sufficient reward for his toils (just a guess). I THINK the above is an accurate description of the scene at KAAM, but I'm not an engineer. So I'm interpreting Hue's layman translations to me. Hope this helps the conversation here... (By the way, Hue's e-mail address is: hrbeavers@yahoo.com. If you contact him, first understand that he's already on our side. But his hands are tied by corporate.) You might have better luck e-mailing Crawford's corporate offices and/or KAAM's business office. Douglas From tomray@wor710.com Sat Apr 09 10:19:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27890 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 17:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 17:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 17:19:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 17:19:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 17:19:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:19:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007e01c53c53$68b4d200$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 741 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > > > Does anybody realy think a 96kb/s stream is aceptable audio? I know AM > > with it's high frequency cut off dosn't sound real good(on a normal > > radio),but > > 96kb/s is bound to be worse!...8) > > If you think 96kb/s is bad audio, here's an example of what's coming > with IBOC on the FM dial: If you haven't heard it, don't knock it. Gordon Carter, who is Chief Engineer at WFMT in Chicago and a respected "golden ears" in the industry, has publicly stated that 64kb HD is perfectly acceptable for transmission of Classical on FM. That statement from him speaks volumes. Tom Ray Corporate Director of Engineering Buckley Broadcasting/WOR Radio NYC From tomray@wor710.com Sat Apr 09 10:31:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20503 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 17:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 17:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 17:31:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 17:31:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 17:31:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:31:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003b01c53c3f$124efda0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1199 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Can't > imagine the low bit rate AM rate won't still have artifacts. Just take the > already data compressed satellite talk feeds and transcode 'em once more, it > should sound hideous. Depends on the original quality of the sat feed. Most of the feeds we take on the air sound very good with the low bit rate coding. We once tried a 'worst case' test with Westwood One. WOR carries Bill O'Reilly on a delayed basis. We downlink at the transmitter (MP2), send to the studio in NYC on MP3 on a T1. Record into ENCO MP2. Play back and send linear to the transmitter. Encode for HD. Listening on the air, it doesn't sound bad. In the test we did with Westwood, we recorded the audio at each point in the chain....coming from the studio, receive at Westwood, downlink from Westwood, decode here at the WOR studio, playback on ENCO, HD Radio output. If you line them all up on a multitrack editor, you can hear the difference as you click through the tracks. Joe Average, however, won't notice the difference on the air.....he doesn't know what the original sounds like, and what we air is not objectionable. Tom Ray Corporate Director of Engineering Buckley Broadcasting/WOR Radio NYC From tomray@wor710.com Sat Apr 09 10:37:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39901 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 17:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 17:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 17:37:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 17:37:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 17:37:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:36:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1108 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimmyyearwood" wrote: > > I think the > general public's reaction will sound someting like this:"Great! Now I > can listen to the same 30 songs (or even less!) over and over and over > or right wing propaganda in digital! Ahh. But with 60+dB separation in AM HD, you can run Air America on the left channel and your favorite right winger on the right channel and get them talking out of both sides of their mouth! > You think it's hard to find an AM stereo radio.....have you seen an > IBOC receiver anywhere? Ever? Think you ever will? I own three....one in my car, one in my wife's car, one in my son's car. Bought them through Crutchfield. > > Does anybody realy think a 96kb/s stream is aceptable audio? Many people who have heard it think so. >I know AM > with it's high frequency cut off dosn't sound real good(on a normal > radio),but > 96kb/s is bound to be worse!...8) Don't condemn it until you've heard it. It's not bad at all. Tom Ray Corporate Director of Engineering Buckley Broadcasting/WOR Radio From tomray@wor710.com Sat Apr 09 10:44:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6571 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 17:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 17:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 17:44:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 17:44:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 17:44:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:44:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1173 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAAM 770 needs separation/IBOC AT NIGHT. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > > > Some day - and it may not be too far off - workplace bullying and > intimidation will be subject to litigation. And engineering > decisions may, for once, be based on science and facts, instead of > economics and intimidation. Bruce, Bruce, Bruce. Workplace bullying and intimidation is illegal and subject to litigation. That's called harassment and there are laws against it. However.....you have a choice. Since you don't own the company and collect a paycheck from someone who does, you do what they say. If you choose not to do that, you may either quit and go work elsewhere, or be involuntarily made to do so. That is called insubordination and is just cause for termination of employment....check with your state's department of labor. Anyone who has been in the workplace for any time has most likely been put into this situation at one time or another. You need to weigh your options.....do you feed the family, or do you jump ship and hope there is something there for you to do so. Tom Ray Corporate Director of Engineering Buckley Broadcasting/WOR Radio NYC From tomray@wor710.com Sat Apr 09 10:49:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79486 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 17:49:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 17:49:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 17:49:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 17:49:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 17:49:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:49:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 776 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: KAAM 770 needs separation. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > > > KAAM switched to an Omnia processing unit in December, and THAT has not been > too compatible with KAAM's C-Quam gear (or that's my understanding). > If this is an Omnia AM-5EX, there is a mono support issue that will be addressed with a software patch shortly. WOR identified this problem several months ago, and Frank has been working on the patch. We expect to have it installed shortly. Basically, if you end up with single channel audio, your analog modulation drops to 50%. That is the issue that is being addressed. If you have both channels present, the mono channel is just fine and sounds very good. Tom Ray Corporate Director of Engineering Buckley Broadcasting/WOR Radio From mrcomment@yahoo.com Sat Apr 09 11:48:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93658 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 18:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 18:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 18:48:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 18:48:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 18:48:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 18:48:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1286 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.133.221 From: "mrcomment" Subject: Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338 X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment Tom Ray writes: > > Ahh. But with 60+dB separation in AM HD, you can run Air America on > the left channel and your favorite right winger on the right channel > and get them talking out of both sides of their mouth! > Stereo separation is not the same as discrete audio. While AM HD gets one channel with the same crap, FM HD gets a bunch of new channels surround sound and data. Who's the loser? > > > You think it's hard to find an AM stereo radio.....have you seen an > > IBOC receiver anywhere? Ever? Think you ever will? > > > I own three....one in my car, one in my wife's car, one in my son's > car. Bought them through Crutchfield. > All three of which are now obsolete because they don't pick up Tomorrow Radio and other AIS services. Burn the early adopters. That is a real smart strategy. > > > > > Does anybody realy think a 96kb/s stream is aceptable audio? > > Many people who have heard it think so. > > > >I know AM > > with it's high frequency cut off dosn't sound real good(on a normal > > radio),but > > 96kb/s is bound to be worse!...8) > 96kbs is fine. The problem is no one will use it. They are all going to chop the bit rate down to the lowest acceptable denominator just like the SDARS. Get ready to hear swishies. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Apr 09 12:52:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60972 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 19:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 19:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 19:52:28 -0000 X-Node: 4 Received: from stodd (modem0249-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.249]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j39JqPOx011102 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2005 14:52:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002601c53d3e$3b40db20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 14:56:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAAM 770 needs separation. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Is KAAM using two discrete STLs or are they using a composite? If it's the latter, it's very similar to a regular FM stereo signal which means they might be having trouble with the stereo generator. As for the processor, the Omnia doesn't do matrix processing, though it is stereo, and it may cause some incompatible situations where there is a lot of single channel audio. Good to know there may be a patch for it coming. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas" > > Now keep in mind, even at 6 kHz bandwidth, Hue would STILL have KAAM > broadcasting in C-Quam, BUT... According to an e-mail from him a couple of > months ago, there is no L-R info on KAAM's AM stereo right now. The microwave > receiver isn't decoding the stereo info coming from the studio; only the L+R. > > KAAM switched to an Omnia processing unit in December, and THAT has not been > too compatible with KAAM's C-Quam gear (or that's my understanding). > From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sat Apr 09 15:48:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21677 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 22:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 22:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 22:48:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 22:48:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 22:48:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 22:48:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 166 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.172.198.66 From: "Douglas" Subject: KAAM Update/Stereo Again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee KAAM's engineer (Hue) just sent out an e-mail announcing that KAAM is back in stereo. Just in time for KAAM's Saturday night pre-Beatles rock 'n' roll show... ; ) From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Apr 09 18:58:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28521 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2005 01:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2005 01:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2005 01:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@68.22.243.241 with login) by smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2005 01:58:21 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c53d70$c5df62b0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 20:58:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.170.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Don't condemn it until you've heard it. It's not bad at all. > > > Tom Ray > Corporate Director of Engineering > Buckley Broadcasting/WOR Radio Do you think the prevailing attitude should be "if it's not bad at all", it's OK? I do appreciate your test posting of your WW1 test.. We have a similar setup on one of our networks. It's downlinked at the transmitter site, shipped back to our studio over a T1, then auto-recorded with Enco (MPG Layer 2 / 128 kbps / 44.1), then ship it to another transmitter site (the one with the dish had the best "window" for the feed) via Harris' digital CD Link STL, then an Omnia 6EX processor and a Harris digital exciter into the transmitter. I was wondering what it might sound like. On another subject, most agency buys are done via FastChannel's Spot-Taxi, and they encode and we download the spots as MP3's. When we dub it into Enco, the sound keeps getting worse. I haven't talked to our Production Director about sampling rates, but there is a positive aspect... Our in-house productions sounds much better on the air than agency spots. My, how things have changed. -Jim- From aalso@netzero.com Sat Apr 09 21:29:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4553 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2005 04:29:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2005 04:29:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2005 04:29:45 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([66.157.239.253]) by imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with ESMTP id <20050410042944.LMUF2186.imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 00:29:44 -0400 Message-ID: <4258ABAB.3090208@netzero.com> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 00:29:31 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1112971597.1452.72918.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1112971597.1452.72918.m12@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 205.152.59.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: Re: CRL SPP-800 ..DOA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr Yes it should only take you about 45 minutes to recap that unit and check the power supplies. It's fairly easy to do. And then see if you still have any problems. >Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:40:13 -0500 > From: "Scott Todd" >Subject: Re: Re: CRL SPP-800 ..DOA > >ANYTIME you get a piece of equipment that old expect to replace the >electrolytics. Mike Patton, an engineer who will still work on AM stereo >gear, won't touch it unless it's been recapped either by the owner or >himself. > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 09 22:20:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95885 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2005 05:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2005 05:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2005 05:20:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2005 05:20:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2005 05:20:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 05:20:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 308 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.87.9 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Magic 61 KFRC jingles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here is KFRC's jingle package, in full stereo, from when they had the "Magic 61" nostalgia/big band format: http://www.tmcentury.com/NonStrAudioDL/Dragonfly/0107.mp3 You can find audio samples of a whole bunch of TM Century jingle packages on this site: http://www.studiodragonfly.com/all_jingles.asp From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Apr 09 22:54:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43168 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2005 05:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2005 05:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52003.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.59) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2005 05:54:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 64888 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2005 05:54:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ZdYWDiHBEgeZD89lyLg2/MnJLMhe0kadcd/7eOejfSrEZbCI8Pgr3tuxscOpt0uqIXYoIVLSZEv2zza7zYnQ2MN2dTxTaAfkSn434T0NsHqxh8j5ld7ySlMX7rn0gkNwrXlujaV/sBzL6URaJrd5DNE7xMc63h6m9qoWtYWExQs= ; Message-ID: <20050410055405.64886.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.35.107] by web52003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 22:54:04 PDT Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 22:54:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSOS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Alan, What's the air chain there? What does WSOS use for a transmitter? Jay __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 09 23:25:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16745 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2005 06:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2005 06:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2005 06:25:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2005 06:25:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2005 06:25:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 06:25:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 568 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.87.9 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Magic 61 KFRC jingles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here are a few more AM jingle packages in stereo I found on the TM Century site: 570 KLAC Los Angeles (country format) http://www.tmcentury.com/NonStrAudioDL/Dragonfly/americas_country.mp3 670 WMAQ Chicago (country format... could be from as early as 1975, when WMAQ switched to country; by 1985, they became a talk station.) http://www.tmcentury.com/NonStrAudioDL/Dragonfly/0105.mp3 770 WABC New York City (news/talk format, from 1989... anyone know if they still using Kahn AM Stereo then?) http://www.tmcentury.com/NonStrAudioDL/Dragonfly/talkradio_wabc.mp3 From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Apr 10 07:41:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89730 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2005 14:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2005 14:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2005 14:41:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2005 14:40:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2005 14:40:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:40:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1143 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.144.156.92 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > If you haven't heard it, don't knock it. I can vouch that 96kbps is EXCELLENT...I haven't heard 64kbps, but 96 of IBOC is, to my ears, actually better than 224kbps that I heard of Eureka-147 in Canada. We have a monitor set up at the noncomm FM I volunteer at that runs HD, and I'm very impressed. Caveat: Not all stations sound good, some do, some don't, so therein lies why some of you may get impressions that HD on FM sounds bad. But then again, there are analog stations that sound better than others. Just like our particular station sounds stunning, the one I previously worked at, which just turned it on, actually sounds better in analog. So while I don't consider myself an expert in audio, I'd say it's all in how you 'set it up'...We're gifted with one of the best engineers in the business, and the fact that we run all our audio from uncompressed sources, too..All CDs, and stored audio is all .wav, at 44.1..The station I *used* to work at runs stored MP2s on Prophet, so I don't know if that's the 'wrinkle', or, perhaps it's a processing setup issue..Maybe someone here can shed some light. --tony From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Apr 10 07:50:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 841 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2005 14:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2005 14:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2005 14:50:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2005 14:50:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2005 14:50:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:50:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4257EDE5.6000605@netzero.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 558 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.144.156.92 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: WSOS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 I made quite a few airchex of WSOS-AM a few months ago..Stayed at a hotel right near their tower, to get the best recordings possible, on my SRF-A100, to DAT...The station is perhaps the BEST sounding analog AM in Florida. Not to mention they don't 'make them like these' when it comes to the music they play, on the AM band. Eventually I'll transfer the DATs to CDs, and hopefully somewhere down the line I can make mp3s out of the CDs and transfer it to this website...But I'm a procrastinator, so don't count on it happening for a while. --tony From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Apr 10 08:50:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13496 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2005 15:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2005 15:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52009.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2005 15:50:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 27950 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2005 15:50:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=llLRMAGnqZF0St1oHfKzRg7x4iHo0fpbnRph1KLhl7RoRm6NUBCThp7nA6ad6xqtB8XExhMKPY511EBwSNSlQqkmV5lEbGoz4OMViqe9mVBSNOLZBBHVlNwgf5+jvOi6eM4To8c9pur2TKyeT7TJXWwF0ag4lqRFKEZkwmw6qJE= ; Message-ID: <20050410155030.27948.qmail@web52009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.55.70] by web52009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 08:50:30 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 08:50:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSOS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I, unfortunately am a procrastinator too. That and I don't know HOW to transfer audio files via the web. The only problem I encountered was a heterodyne whistle in parts of 3 of the songs (I think it was local). Still, an overall great recording. If you know where the Quality Inn on N. Ponce is, that's where I was. Jay __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sun Apr 10 10:02:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1035 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2005 17:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2005 17:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2005 17:02:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2005 17:02:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2005 17:02:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:02:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 445 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.178.129.169 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: {AMSF} Re: "Jack" Radio (more like "Jack S..." Radio) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" wrote: > > See what happens if I'm not Music Director? Just as a quick follow up: The Orange County Register reported that Jack radio has hit San Diego as both KFMB 100.7 and 1000 AM (on a part-time basis) have switched to this format. Again the listener response has been negative. So after Jack radio runs its course, I wonder what the next format du jour will be? db From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Apr 10 10:03:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65374 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2005 17:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2005 17:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.241.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2005 17:03:21 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050410170321.CXAB7956.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 13:03:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:03:19 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Magic 61 KFRC jingles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I don't recall those jingles being on KLAC. On Apr 9, 2005, at 11:25 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > Here are a few more AM jingle packages in stereo I found on the > TM Century site: > > 570 KLAC Los Angeles (country format) > http://www.tmcentury.com/NonStrAudioDL/Dragonfly/americas_country.mp3 > > 670 WMAQ Chicago (country format... could be from as early as 1975, > when WMAQ switched to country; by 1985, they became a talk station.) > http://www.tmcentury.com/NonStrAudioDL/Dragonfly/0105.mp3 > > 770 WABC New York City (news/talk format, from 1989... anyone know if > they still using Kahn AM Stereo then?) > http://www.tmcentury.com/NonStrAudioDL/Dragonfly/talkradio_wabc.mp3 > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > >=20=20 From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Apr 10 10:15:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44280 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2005 17:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2005 17:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2005 17:15:08 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050410171508.POF2123.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 13:15:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7871f5c51137ceed456c102764aa2098@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:15:07 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Jack" Radio (more like "Jack S..." Radio) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Sirius and XM. On Apr 10, 2005, at 10:02 AM, dbdigital2004 wrote: > So after Jack radio runs its course, I wonder what the next format du > jour will be? > From tomray@wor710.com Sun Apr 10 10:31:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40217 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2005 17:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2005 17:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2005 17:31:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2005 17:31:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2005 17:31:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:31:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003101c53d70$c5df62b0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1694 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > Do you think the prevailing attitude should be "if it's not bad at > all", it's OK? Unfortunately, that is turning out the be the prevailing attitude of most listeners.....mp3 players, satellite radio, and cheap car amps that produce multitudes of distortion, and they accept it all! > I do appreciate your test posting of your WW1 test.. We have a similar setup > on one of our networks. > It's downlinked at the transmitter site, shipped back to our studio over a > T1, then auto-recorded with Enco (MPG Layer 2 / 128 kbps / 44.1), then > ship it to another transmitter site (the one with the dish had the best > "window" for the feed) via Harris' digital CD Link STL, then an Omnia 6EX > processor and a Harris digital exciter into the transmitter. I was > wondering what it might sound like. We just moved our offices and, because I'm working on getting the studios moved, haven't fully unpacked yet. When I finally get things unpacked, I'd be happy to send you a copy of the CD with the test. > On another subject, most agency buys are done via FastChannel's Spot-Taxi, > and they encode and we download the spots as MP3's. > When we dub it into Enco, the sound keeps getting worse. I haven't talked to > our Production Director about sampling rates, but there is a positive > aspect... Our in-house productions sounds much better on the air than agency > spots. My, how things have changed. Isn't it incredible? I think in the last six months, we've received one spot on tape. I was floored. Who, in this day and age, is sending out tape??? And who can get tape???? TR From tomray@wor710.com Sun Apr 10 10:34:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28630 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2005 17:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2005 17:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2005 17:34:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2005 17:34:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2005 17:34:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:34:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1007 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > Just like our particular station sounds stunning, the one I > previously worked at, which just turned it on, actually sounds > better in analog. So while I don't consider myself an expert in > audio, I'd say it's all in how you 'set it up'...We're gifted with > one of the best engineers in the business, and the fact that we run > all our audio from uncompressed sources, too..All CDs, and stored > audio is all .wav, at 44.1..The station I *used* to work at runs > stored MP2s on Prophet, so I don't know if that's the 'wrinkle', or, > perhaps it's a processing setup issue..Maybe someone here can shed > some light. Tony: Could be any or all of the above! They may have some cross coding issues, they could have something going on with the STL, the processing could be set incorrectly, or they could have something going on with the HD interface to the transmitter. Same problems we have with analog radio. TR From aalso@netzero.com Sun Apr 10 12:18:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96270 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2005 19:18:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2005 19:18:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2005 19:18:41 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([66.157.239.253]) by imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with ESMTP id <20050410191840.BFDI2063.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:18:40 -0400 Message-ID: <42597C04.3080302@netzero.com> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:18:28 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1113141401.1840.89086.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1113141401.1840.89086.m12@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 205.152.59.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1530 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr It's about as simple as I could make it. In the studio I have a preprocessor (I'm trying to remember what it is) and I have a CRL amigo for the final processor. Having the studio at the transmitter makes it easy without an STL. The Transmitter is a Harris SX-1 Earlier I saw a discussion about music that sounds great in AM stereo, I don't recall this one song on the list that I like to play when I'm showing off the system.. Black Water by the Doobie Brothers. It's really dramatic at about 2 minutes in when the two channels completely separate with separate vocals in each channel. > Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 22:54:04 -0700 (PDT) > From: JNR >Subject: Re: Re: WSOS > >Alan, > >What's the air chain there? What does WSOS use >for a transmitter? > >Jay > > > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Apr 10 12:57:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24493 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2005 19:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2005 19:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2005 19:57:00 -0000 X-Node: 1 Received: from stodd (modem0144-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.144]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j3AJuuG3015459 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:56:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004c01c53e08$08600c60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <1113141401.1840.89086.m12@yahoogroups.com> <42597C04.3080302@netzero.com> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:00:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1530 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I seem to be the only one who remembers Autobahn by Kraftwerk- a veritable stereo extravaganza, all 22.5 minutes of it. I'm surprised I don't hear it on the classic rock stations, but then there isn't much in the way of true CR around here. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Alsobrook" > Earlier I saw a discussion about music that sounds great in AM stereo, I > don't recall this one song on the list that I like to play when I'm > showing off the system.. > Black Water by the Doobie Brothers. It's really dramatic at about 2 > minutes in when the two channels completely separate with separate > vocals in each channel. > From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Apr 10 14:21:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94259 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2005 21:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2005 21:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2005 21:21:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2005 21:21:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2005 21:21:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:21:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 93 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.47.35 From: "Dave" Subject: Kiwa MW loop X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I have just got a Kiwa loop from ebay, are these easy to use / connect to an AM tuner etc ? From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Apr 10 14:28:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28553 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2005 21:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2005 21:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52006.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.62) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2005 21:28:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 30459 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2005 21:28:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=QH/6cgnqxqCbUoGkWToWVnm0cluWyiga0S4tWPQIkkDyC0WFZ5lizJd5DVBJmWjKZNZQNYCLUpTiLBDkx+O4qUqxVNQXVsWuJkRmg7PuZohyOAI2HigWZnE3FuvgLlaXbiJr7mWUTC76knTrA7qWJlVut9EmcEFRry+gDYz6KCU= ; Message-ID: <20050410212818.30457.qmail@web52006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.153.223.134] by web52006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:28:18 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:28:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio ...or get them talking out of another oriface.... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Apr 10 19:38:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30119 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2005 02:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2005 02:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2005 02:38:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2005 02:38:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2005 02:38:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 02:38:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004c01c53e08$08600c60$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 647 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.120.215.51 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1530 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I seem to be the only one who remembers Autobahn by Kraftwerk- a veritable > stereo extravaganza, all 22.5 minutes of it. I'm surprised I don't hear it > on the classic rock stations, but then there isn't much in the way of true > CR around here. Oh, it's remembered, though the single edit of it is not widely heard anymore (or as easy to find). Since it doesn't fit the "rock" mold, these days it'll be heard on techno/electronica/eurodisco radio programs and stations, just as with all of Kraftwerk's stuff. Always been one of my faves, though. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Apr 10 19:45:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92874 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2005 02:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2005 02:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2005 02:45:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2005 02:42:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2005 02:42:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 02:42:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 585 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.120.215.51 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > > > > Do you think the prevailing attitude should be "if it's not > bad at > > all", it's OK? > > Unfortunately, that is turning out the be the prevailing attitude of > most listeners.....mp3 players, satellite radio, and cheap car amps > that produce multitudes of distortion, and they accept it all! First, there needs to be AFFORDABLE quality that's competitive with what's currently available..... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From aalso@netzero.com Sun Apr 10 21:20:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4093 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2005 04:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2005 04:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2005 04:20:33 -0000 Received: from netzero.com ([66.157.239.253]) by imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with ESMTP id <20050411042033.MXUJ2549.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@netzero.com> for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 00:20:33 -0400 Message-ID: <4259FB05.30500@netzero.com> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 00:20:21 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1112541572.1513.78677.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1112541572.1513.78677.m12@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 205.152.59.73 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: Re: WSB 750 am advertising "digital stereo" to start on Monday, April 4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr I wondered through Atlanta on Friday, and I didn't hear the IBOC on.. WMLB's 1160's IBOC is on.. In fact I even went over and did some work for them to help get it on. Please remember I'm a radio mercenary.. oops.. I mean Contract Engineer. I do what the customer wants :) >Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 10:33:26 -0800 (PST) > From: "John P." >Subject: WSB 750 am advertising "digital stereo" to start on Monday, April 4 > > From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Sun Apr 10 22:14:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63461 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2005 05:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2005 05:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2005 05:14:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2005 05:14:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2005 05:14:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 05:14:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 179 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.249.32.230 From: "pabigelow" Subject: KAAM back in separated stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, Good news to report. KAAM is back in AM <<<---STEREO--->>> with real separation. Thanks to everyone who wrote KAAM and thanks to Hue Beavers for making it happen! Paul From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Apr 11 08:52:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97680 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2005 15:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2005 15:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2005 15:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@68.22.243.241 with login) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2005 15:52:41 -0000 Message-ID: <003701c53eae$7e6a6260$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:52:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.170.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Isn't it incredible? I think in the last six months, we've received > one spot on tape. I was floored. Who, in this day and age, is > sending out tape??? And who can get tape???? I was giving a tour to some Cub Scouts one evening, and one of their parents worked in radio for a few years. She asked me where the cart machines and reel to reel machines were. It dawned on me, we have 1 Otari RTR machine in a closet and it hasn't been used in a year.. Otherwise, we do not have a single tape machine of any kind in our building. Boy do I feel old! From kya1260@lycos.com Mon Apr 11 15:09:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85369 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2005 22:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2005 22:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2005 22:09:27 -0000 Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id F15D418001DE for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:09:16 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 11 Apr 2005 22:09:19 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 34CB5E5BC7; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:09:27 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [68.126.151.168] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:09:27 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:09:27 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050411220927.34CB5E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ > Isn't it incredible? I think in the last six months, we've received > one spot on tape. I was floored. Who, in this day and age, is > sending out tape??? And who can get tape???? In the last few years, I've visited several stations during my sojurns=20 to Chico, CA, Sacramento, and various Oregon cities, and not one of=20 them had tape-playback capability. Maybe a stray cassette player, but=20 no reel-to-reel... D.A.T., and even the old D.G.S. box from the 1990s (which sent spots=20 to radio stations via phone line, before MP3s became 'fashionable'),=20 are barely visable now, at least from what I've witnessed... In February, I had a tour KOAC 550, Oregon State University's non-com=20 AM, which is getting ready to go all-computer digital... No, KOAC won't be going AM stereo or I.B.O.C. anytime soon, however... --Jay Arnold, KVYN/KVON --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Mon Apr 11 15:12:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3311 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2005 22:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2005 22:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2005 22:12:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2005 22:12:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2005 22:12:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:12:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4259FB05.30500@netzero.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 698 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.111.241.195 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: WSB 750 am advertising "digital stereo" to start on Monday, April 4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Isn't it ironic how receiver manufacturers will push digital but kept whining about the cost when it came to AM-Stereo? Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Alan Alsobrook wrote: > I wondered through Atlanta on Friday, and I didn't hear the IBOC on.. > WMLB's 1160's IBOC is on.. In fact I even went over and did some work > for them to help get it on. > Please remember I'm a radio mercenary.. oops.. I mean Contract > Engineer. I do what the customer wants :) > > >Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 10:33:26 -0800 (PST) > > From: "John P." > >Subject: WSB 750 am advertising "digital stereo" to start on Monday, April 4 > > > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Apr 11 19:26:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18984 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 02:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2005 02:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 02:26:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 02:26:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 02:26:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 02:26:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 432 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.19.57 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: WSB 750 am advertising "digital stereo" to start on Monday, April 4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" wrote: > > Isn't it ironic how receiver manufacturers will push digital but kept > whining about the cost when it came to AM-Stereo? No kickbacks. Why invest in something if they're not going to invest in you? Motorola had the right idea with making their licensing for free, but they didn't offer "incentives". That's how business works. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimmyyearwood@msn.com Mon Apr 11 21:24:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmyyearwood@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25967 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 04:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2005 04:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 04:24:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 04:24:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 04:24:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 04:24:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1068 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.73.3.180 From: "jimmyyearwood" Subject: Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153993962 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimmyyearwood I have not heard IBOC yet,so I'll take it back.For all I know it sounds great. I don't want to insult any P.D.s ect. on here,but I just have to ask: Do you think the programming that is available now is worthy enough to get the general public to buy new equipment in order to listen to it? If all staions where to go digital over the next few years,what do you think the chances are that people will be willing to buy new gear? Is it worth it? I say for quite a few it's not.That was my point. The only poeple I talk to that are happy with the broadcasts they listen to subscribe to one of the two satellite services.It's not digital that the listeners are after.We want decent programing,regardless of how it is delivered.I'd bet substandard programing has driven millions of listners away from radio over the past 10 years,and IBOC will drive even more away.Can broadcasters afford to lose even mose listeners to iPods and CDs than they already have? I'm not trying to start any trouble or insult anyone,but I do think it's a legitimate question. From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Apr 12 05:44:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80845 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 12:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2005 12:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.179) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 12:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@68.22.243.241 with login) by smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 12:44:41 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c53f5d$64e8bd50$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <1113141401.1840.89086.m12@yahoogroups.com> <42597C04.3080302@netzero.com> <004c01c53e08$08600c60$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:46:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1530 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > I seem to be the only one who remembers Autobahn by Kraftwerk- a veritable > stereo extravaganza, all 22.5 minutes of it. I'm surprised I don't hear > it > on the classic rock stations, but then there isn't much in the way of true > CR around here. I have the album "Autobahn" by Kraftwerk, which is one of my favorite LP's of all time. Autobahn took up one whole side of the LP. They released a single that ran about :3:45 or so, and we played it at the Top 40 station I was working at, but according to Mr. Whitburn, the single only peaked at #25 in April 1974. I wish I had a working turntable so I could play it. I agree, it's surprising that the Classic Rock stations don't play it. -Jim- From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Apr 12 06:54:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81522 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 13:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2005 13:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 13:54:17 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.47] (pool-141-150-133-215.mad.east.verizon.net [141.150.133.215]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j3CDs9xR011016 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:54:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <425BD0D6.30209@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:44:54 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1113141401.1840.89086.m12@yahoogroups.com> <42597C04.3080302@netzero.com> <004c01c53e08$08600c60$d503fea9@stodd> <000001c53f5d$64e8bd50$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> In-Reply-To: <000001c53f5d$64e8bd50$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1530 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My favorites "WE ARE THE ROBOTS" Kraftwerk and any album by NEKTAR once in awhile I sneak them in my show when working on the studio after midnight. Neal Jim Burgan wrote: >>I seem to be the only one who remembers Autobahn by Kraftwerk- a veritable >>stereo extravaganza, all 22.5 minutes of it. I'm surprised I don't hear >>it >>on the classic rock stations, but then there isn't much in the way of true >>CR around here. >> >> > >I have the album "Autobahn" by Kraftwerk, which is one of my favorite LP's >of all time. Autobahn took up one whole side of the LP. >They released a single that ran about :3:45 or so, and we played it at the >Top 40 station I was working at, but according to Mr. Whitburn, the single >only peaked at #25 in April 1974. >I wish I had a working turntable so I could play it. I agree, it's >surprising that the Classic Rock stations don't play it. >-Jim- > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Tue Apr 12 09:28:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75234 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 16:28:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2005 16:28:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 16:28:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 16:28:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 16:28:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:28:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 261 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > First, there needs to be AFFORDABLE quality that's competitive with > what's currently available..... > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ You gotta give it time. Prices will come down. TR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Apr 12 09:31:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98067 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 16:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2005 16:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 16:31:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 16:30:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.61] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 16:30:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:30:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003701c53eae$7e6a6260$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 878 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > Isn't it incredible? I think in the last six months, we've received > > one spot on tape. I was floored. Who, in this day and age, is > > sending out tape??? And who can get tape???? > > I was giving a tour to some Cub Scouts one evening, and one of their parents > worked in radio for a few years. She asked me where the cart machines and > reel to reel machines were. > It dawned on me, we have 1 Otari RTR machine in a closet and it hasn't been > used in a year.. Otherwise, we do not have a single tape machine of any kind > in our building. Boy do I feel old! I'm building a new facility right now. The only tape in the building is cassette decks...because some of our clients haven't been weaned off of tape onto CD yet. Something tells me they'll be leaving sooner than later. TR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Apr 12 09:38:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73671 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 16:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2005 16:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 16:38:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 16:38:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 16:38:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:38:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 903 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimmyyearwood" wrote: > >Can broadcasters > afford to lose even mose listeners to iPods and CDs than they already > have? > > I'm not trying to start any trouble or insult anyone,but I do think > it's a legitimate question. Technical quality is only part of the equation. Programming is a huge part....unfortunately, there are far too many programming consultants out there who have given us '10 in a row with no talk' and restrictive playlists so 'we don't drive anybody away'. Problem is, people ARE being driven away by hearing the same 200 songs from the '70's over and over....and nothing is being done to attact new listeners....ther is no more fun and daring on the air any longer. With all the competition over the past 10 years coming in, programming has stagnated and given listeners a reason to leave. Sad but true. TR From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Tue Apr 12 11:08:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25031 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 18:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2005 18:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 18:08:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 18:08:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 18:08:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:08:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 860 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 170.20.11.59 From: "Douglas" Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee > I'm building a new facility right now. The only tape in the building > is cassette decks...because some of our clients haven't been weaned > off of tape onto CD yet. Something tells me they'll be leaving sooner > than later. I'm glad there's still a reel-to-reel deck in my studio. Our local legendary DJ is retiring, and I'm combing through 45 years of his archive tape to find "best of" features. You never know when an odd project will pop up. At some point in the 90's, our station engineer had us archive our Dallas Cowboys broadcasts on VCR tapes, but prior to that we were using R2R. Since it's such a time-consuming project to transfer entire games to CD or VHS, a lot of that stuff is still stored on R2R. Every now and then, someone from an affiliate or another NFL network calls up and we have to go fishing through the old tapes. From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 12 11:16:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55851 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 18:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2005 18:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52401.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.109) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 18:16:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 36462 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2005 18:16:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=N8ozbCWLf+mjlgVWOdlw63sRKoDXG74WT6YHp9zySPtydgBwfbxQ8HD7VuzQhCgzAWSa3i8F0Ccz0nTTPMEzUnervAU9IIb/vzKFX03d2BjX6+thmEQZ8VrB+Q53zRmt+ZRVmlFXNbGn+esixqg3kURlhsY+fgXgT5kTqMBGWYY= ; Message-ID: <20050412181616.36455.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.109] by web52401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:16:15 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:16:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: a tapeless facility X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > I'm building a new facility right now. The only > tape in the building > is cassette decks...because some of our clients > haven't been weaned > off of tape onto CD yet. Something tells me they'll > be leaving sooner > than later. > > TR Sooner by telling them that CD or you charge them a dubbing fee. Powell powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 12 11:43:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87017 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 18:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2005 18:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 18:43:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 18:42:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 18:42:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:42:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c53f5d$64e8bd50$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 713 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.111.242 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1530 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > I have the album "Autobahn" by Kraftwerk, which is one of my favorite LP's > of all time. Autobahn took up one whole side of the LP. > They released a single that ran about :3:45 or so, and we played it at the > Top 40 station I was working at, but according to Mr. Whitburn, the single > only peaked at #25 in April 1974. > I wish I had a working turntable so I could play it. I agree, it's > surprising that the Classic Rock stations don't play it. I don't know where the single edit can be found, but the album itself has been on CD for years. Check the imports, if not domestic. Mine's a German import. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 12 11:44:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67742 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 18:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2005 18:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 18:44:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 18:44:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 18:44:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:44:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <425BD0D6.30209@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 187 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.111.242 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1530 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > and any album by NEKTAR o/~ "Remember the Future....." o/~ Great, and I mean GREAT album. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 12 11:48:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1892 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 18:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2005 18:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 18:48:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 18:48:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 18:48:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:48:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 567 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.111.242 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > > > First, there needs to be AFFORDABLE quality that's competitive with > > what's currently available..... > > You gotta give it time. Prices will come down. And be as crappy, er "cost conscious", as the current fare...... Think about it-- The consumer electronics industry does not operate on the notion of QUALITY that's affordable. If it's affordable, you know they went cheap. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 12 11:51:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78214 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 18:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2005 18:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 18:51:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 18:51:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 18:51:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:51:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1211 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.111.242 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimmyyearwood" > wrote: > > > >Can broadcasters > > afford to lose even mose listeners to iPods and CDs than they already > > have? > > > > I'm not trying to start any trouble or insult anyone,but I do think > > it's a legitimate question. > > > Technical quality is only part of the equation. Programming is a huge > part....unfortunately, there are far too many programming consultants > out there who have given us '10 in a row with no talk' and restrictive > playlists so 'we don't drive anybody away'. Problem is, people ARE > being driven away by hearing the same 200 songs from the '70's over > and over....and nothing is being done to attact new listeners....ther > is no more fun and daring on the air any longer. With all the > competition over the past 10 years coming in, programming has > stagnated and given listeners a reason to leave. Sad but true. Hint: Can the consultants. If that's how you run your station (and I mean "you" in the broad sense here) by relying on consultants, you perhapos deserve EXACTLY what you get. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 12 12:05:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34814 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 19:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2005 19:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52403.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.111) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 19:05:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 40568 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2005 19:05:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=SX8YFmkuXlX1hppl9n3KJJzM221OKjfslO6frmyecP+TOuoY1iPQ8kYztfjlz/P0h07iUM5o+tSiPiCpgixOwLnPeqM+mHef5kxc+0eBKjjPKCMLTVo7l79+Czme3wS/nJDRvb1ImzAZSwmi6rS0FMISpTErEocqb3fjy+QGc88= ; Message-ID: <20050412190529.40566.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.109] by web52403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:05:29 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:05:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > First, there needs to be AFFORDABLE quality > that's competitive > with > > > what's currently available..... > > > > You gotta give it time. Prices will come down. > > And be as crappy, er "cost conscious", as the > current fare...... > > Think about it-- The consumer electronics industry > does not operate on the notion of QUALITY that's >affordable. If it's affordable, you know they went cheap. > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ And "they" have forgotten how to make good receivers, radios. A friend of mine was NOT impressed with the Kenwood line. He said the AM was not nearly as good as the Ford radio in sensitivity on AM and in analog sounded horrid. A local engineer here for a chain has the expensive Panasonic. It appears to be DEAF on AM. The HD dropped out on the way to the an unnamed FM transmitter site. The AM was unusable too. On my 96 Ranger it was perfectly listenable out there. EVEN on a small transistor radio. I guess since there's no antenna trimmer to match the radio to the antenna that doesn't help , either . Powell powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Apr 12 13:01:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24241 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 20:01:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2005 20:01:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 20:01:29 -0000 Received: from [4.247.236.132] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DLRZg-0003Z0-Qp for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:01:29 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=DFGQ0ag0Fk+LVTa599ShBlimo4Wum7xyMLwmA1MbqWG8fhBjpfvaDT2R/xWgEP5D; Message-ID: <410-22005421220139687@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.57.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:01:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcbc2d885475a6992a96a59f9f7b35aa0e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Amen, Tom. I don't listen to talk radio, and the stations that play music are bor-ing. They repeat not only the same playlist, but the same style of music. If they would check the Billboard Top-100 for a particular date in the past, they would find not only a variety of songs but a variety of styles. In their quest to please everyone, they please no one. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Tom Ray > To: > Date: 4/12/2005 12:38:43 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimmyyearwood" > wrote: > > > >Can broadcasters > > afford to lose even mose listeners to iPods and CDs than they already > > have? > > > > I'm not trying to start any trouble or insult anyone,but I do think > > it's a legitimate question. > > > Technical quality is only part of the equation. Programming is a huge > part....unfortunately, there are far too many programming consultants > out there who have given us '10 in a row with no talk' and restrictive > playlists so 'we don't drive anybody away'. Problem is, people ARE > being driven away by hearing the same 200 songs from the '70's over > and over....and nothing is being done to attact new listeners....ther > is no more fun and daring on the air any longer. With all the > competition over the past 10 years coming in, programming has > stagnated and given listeners a reason to leave. Sad but true. > > TR > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Apr 12 13:12:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12801 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 20:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2005 20:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.13) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 20:11:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:11:59 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.78.49.149 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:11:58 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:11:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2005 20:11:59.0774 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2382BE0:01C53F9B] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.247.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: RE: Consultants X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 I am a retired Engineer, having worked 32 years for the Bell System. I can remember when the Bell System first started hiring "consultants". It quickly became apparent to anyone with over a third grade education that these "consultants" didn't know squat. They did, however, have the full and undivided attention of the "suits" at headquarters. If you will remember what happened to the Bell System, you can see the results of listening to "consultants". The Engineers working for me quickly came up with a definition of consultant. It is as follows: Consultant: Someone who knows nothing but has reasons for everything. Rant Off. MTGC (Michael) From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Apr 12 17:43:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29701 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2005 00:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2005 00:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2005 00:43:20 -0000 X-Node: 1 Received: from stodd (modem0282-pli-tnt-mpls1.cpinternet.com [64.61.218.28]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j3D0hGxk023040 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:43:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004301c53fc2$60bc84e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20050412190529.40566.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:47:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude [warning- a tad technical] Those trimmers went away with the advent of digital tuning. With analog sets the antenna and cable capacitance formed part of the resonant circuit in the RF stage. It's no longer necessary and your Ranger radio is an example of what can be done without it. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" On my 96 > Ranger it was perfectly listenable out there. EVEN on > a small transistor radio. I guess since there's no > antenna trimmer to match the radio to the antenna that > doesn't help , either . > From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Apr 12 18:03:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66216 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2005 01:03:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2005 01:03:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.185) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2005 01:03:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@68.22.243.241 with login) by smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2005 01:03:27 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c53fc4$997cccc0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:03:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Technical quality is only part of the equation. Programming is a huge > part....unfortunately, there are far too many programming consultants > out there who have given us '10 in a row with no talk' and restrictive > playlists so 'we don't drive anybody away'. Problem is, people ARE > being driven away by hearing the same 200 songs from the '70's over > and over....and nothing is being done to attact new listeners....ther > is no more fun and daring on the air any longer. With all the > competition over the past 10 years coming in, programming has > stagnated and given listeners a reason to leave. Sad but true. I believe the tide is turning on the selection issue. Within the past month, 2 Indianapolis station have changed formats to 'large library', music intensive formats. Susquehanna's WGLD flipped from standard oldies to the latest rage across America, Jack - FM. Their claim to fame is, "we're like your iPod on shuffle". I have heard they have nearly 3,000 titles in regular rotation, and they also have titles that some and go. Then, last week, Emmis flipped their Heratige AC, WENS to country, calling themselves Hank-FM and they claim to play everything to Hank Williams to the Dixie Chix and everything in between. That must be true because I heard a very obscure song from Tom T Hall today. Then, one of the stations in our group, our Hot AC has been adding music at a high rate since our consultant paid us a visit last month. We now have guaranteed "no repeat workday's" and are claiming to have "Indiana's biggest and best variety" A year ago the oldest thing we played was late 80's stuff... today in my 3:00 hour I had Elton John's 'Your Song", Fleetwood Mac's "Dreams" and Styx "Babe", which are all 3 from the 70's. All this was sandwiched around Train, Maroon Five, Hoobastank and Avril Lavigne. Out 300 song library is now over 1500 titles and growing. I haven't had time to read the trades or All Access recently, but I do know that several other underperforming stations across America have flipped to Jack FM. All this seems to be in reaction to the loss of listeners to iPods, Sirius/XM and Internet Streaming. -Jim- From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 12 18:54:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43317 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2005 01:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2005 01:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52402.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.110) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2005 01:54:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 69372 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2005 01:54:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=eapynN8rE8DIa+r4wUN1WlEE55mdnRbUSVv109rodWvJ4rWStCtzOo47w+ziJ8JJWqje9MRNh0cpGvWMbkE832P4ak600VDfT7WXdBtKoDkIGSZtPCod2UOfQLyhXqyzLS0zrm0fThyqS8eYm2asl29hMd1g7z50gP20MhLBy6U= ; Message-ID: <20050413015457.69370.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.104] by web52402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:54:57 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:54:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > [warning- a tad technical] > Those trimmers went away with the advent of digital > tuning. With analog > sets the antenna and cable capacitance formed part > of the resonant circuit > in the RF stage. It's no longer necessary and your > Ranger radio is an > example of what can be done without it. > > ST And the Pansonic HD radio is at the OTHER spectrum! Powell powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Apr 12 19:26:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71353 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2005 02:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2005 02:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2005 02:26:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:26:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.201 by BAY101-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 02:26:20 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <1113141401.1840.89086.m12@yahoogroups.com> <42597C04.3080302@netzero.com> <004c01c53e08$08600c60$d503fea9@stodd> <000001c53f5d$64e8bd50$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> <425BD0D6.30209@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:26:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2005 02:26:20.0389 (UTC) FILETIME=[2DCA0950:01C53FD0] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1530 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Neal Newman wrote: > My favorites > "WE ARE THE ROBOTS" Kraftwerk > and any album by NEKTAR Remember when EVERY radio station used "The Telephone Call" from Kraftwerk's album "Electric Cafe" as the music bed for call-ins and contests? The original German version sounds so KEWL in AM Stereo! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Apr 13 07:08:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50202 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2005 14:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2005 14:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14221.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2005 14:08:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 28252 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2005 14:08:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Gm7SYsDEPLt8oOBjni0CsaK3vCLpgY8OH/gag0SncPc+qObQ26AN0YdQirQDShXxLeaPunU+w4orllFkct0BW7ApFgh4l4/mgNSOXI/WKdpSfM/V8QtdLpQXy8k0adGdpvUtVnVA4NHN1Bar1ayc0TGp1xZcCPMQhWJXdRmC4Nc= ; Message-ID: <20050413140813.28250.qmail@web14221.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web14221.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:08:12 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:08:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 66.163.171.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John P." Subject: IBOC cost vs AM Stereo Cost X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio If car manufacturers cheapen up their radios by taking out $1.00 worth of AM Stereo parts, why would they add $60 of parts to receive IBOC? I don't think that XM radio sounds better than local FM or AM stereo, in fact, many times the audio quality of the terrestrial is much better and 'fuller' sounding than XM, but it's the CONTENT available. As an engineer, you should strive to make your terrestrial station sound as good as you can - stereo, wide bandwidth, without interfering with your adjacent stations (or lowering the bandwidth) - but you have to tie that audio quality into LOCAL on-air people, LOCAL news, LOCAL contests, LOCAL lost dog information, LOCAL community events, LOCAL talk, LOCAL requests for songs - not stale forced national musical tastes. XM, even with 100 channels, still can't take into account LOCAL tastes for music - it's the last thing that LOCAL radio CAN do. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Apr 13 11:20:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47648 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2005 18:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2005 18:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2005 18:20:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2005 18:19:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2005 18:19:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:19:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050413140813.28250.qmail@web14221.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1480 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.111.242 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: IBOC cost vs AM Stereo Cost X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > If car manufacturers cheapen up their radios by taking out $1.00 worth of AM > Stereo parts, why would they add $60 of parts to receive IBOC? Because they get favors and kickbacks. It's the only thing that makes sense. > I don't think that XM radio sounds better than local FM or AM stereo, in fact, > many times the audio quality of the terrestrial is much better and 'fuller' > sounding than XM, but it's the CONTENT available. Agreed. XM could be better in some aspects, but it is alot better than terrestrial radio has become. > As an engineer, you should strive to make your terrestrial station sound as > good as you can - stereo, wide bandwidth, without interfering with your > adjacent stations (or lowering the bandwidth) - but you have to tie that audio > quality into LOCAL on-air people, LOCAL news, LOCAL contests, LOCAL lost dog > information, LOCAL community events, LOCAL talk, LOCAL requests for songs - not > stale forced national musical tastes. XM, even with 100 channels, still can't > take into account LOCAL tastes for music - it's the last thing that LOCAL radio > CAN do. Gee, I've been saying this all along! An engineer should not be tied up by the corporates, and nor should the PD and station managers. Good radio happens when people are dedicated to their efforts. Would you honestly have your mother hear "Jack"? Of course not. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 10:13:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64605 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2005 17:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2005 17:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2005 17:13:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2005 17:12:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2005 17:12:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:12:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050413140813.28250.qmail@web14221.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 48 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.111.241.195 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: IBOC cost vs AM Stereo Cost X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I concur, except for the lost dog reports.... From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 10:36:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83948 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2005 17:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2005 17:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2005 17:36:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2005 17:36:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2005 17:36:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:36:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 290 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.111.8 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: IBOC cost vs AM Stereo Cost X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" wrote: > > I concur, except for the lost dog reports.... Trust me- When you live in a small town as I do, lost-pet reports are important. ....Or at least they used to be, before canned radio moved in. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From badeditpro@cox.net Thu Apr 14 10:52:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73776 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2005 17:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2005 17:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.240.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2005 17:52:53 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.0.17.189]) by lakermmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050414175222.MXAB29182.lakermmtao01.cox.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:52:22 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c5411a$b8081620$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:52:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Deja Vu X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I got my first real radio gig, I was working for one of the first stations to go C-Quam AM Stereo. This was a big station in my hometown and I remember very well when they stared calling themselves 'AM Stereo 79'.... By the time I got there in 1988, though, they had dropped all mention of stereo even though they still ran some of the best sounding AM stereo I have ever heard, even to this day. Shortly after becoming a part of the staff, I asked the PD why it was that stereo was no longer promoted even though the company had spent over $2 million dollars on new transmitters, antennas and equipment to be able to broadcast stereo just a few years before. He told me that it got to the point where he felt like talking about the stereo sound on the air was just ticking people off because almost no one had AM stereo radios to hear it with. I didn't think much about it at the time but now, with the benefit of nearly 20 years of hindsight, I see the folly in his thinking. We should have been ticking people off, bragging about how great we sounded and telling folks where they could get a good radio to hear us on. Why? Because it would have created a demand! One of the things that really hurt the AM Stereo system, other than the confusion created by the FCC's not mandating a standard system earlier on, was the fact that both radio broadcasters and radio manufacturers didn't give the idea a proper chance to grow. When people didn't rush out to the electronics mart first thing the next morning after hearing about the new station broadcasting in stereo and banging on the still closed doors, demanding their new radios, both sides of the industry just said, "Oh, well... I guess no one cares..." and stopped pushing the product. FM stereo was introduced in 1961 but stations and manufacturers did not really begin to promote it until the early 70's. Remember, too, that 45 RPM single records were not issued in stereo until late in 1970... That made it easy for FM stations to program contemporary music for stereo because it was more readily available. Still, it was not until 1974 that FM made any real inroads, ratings wise, on the still dominant AM music stations. The point? It took almost 15 years for FM stereo to really catch on. They were calling AM stereo a dead duck just 5 years after it had been introduced! Not only did AM radio stop promoting stereo, they stopped providing the music programming that would make stereo a real enhancement. The rush to talk and the cheapening of the product in general has put a stigma on AM radio that will never go away. Marketers of FM pounded the notion that it was 'better' into people's heads for 20 years before AM stereo was finally introduced and, unfortunately, the people who were doing AM radio started to believe it themselves. The AM Stereo revolution was sabotaged from the inside by managers who didn't really believe in it from the very start. Well, here comes HD Radio... The apathy level for this system is ten times greater among consumers than it was even with AM Stereo! SatRad is new and hip and folks will shell out the bucks to get it but will they upgrade to get the same product they have been running away from for the last ten years in HD? I don't think so and on top of that, the stations actually running the system don't talk much about it. We have a couple of FM's that have switched on HD and the only reason I know that is because I read it online at a radio related web site. It's one that the general public is not likely to be reading so I guess I'm one of the few people in the market who know this who is not directly connected to the stations in some way... Beyond the laundry list of reasons why IBiquity's IBOC HD system is a joke from the start, it also is a waste of time and money that should be going into better programming. There is nothing technically wrong with both the current AM and FM Stereo analog transition schemes. It's the bad receivers that the manufacturers have been churning out for the last 20 years that is the main problem with the perceived quality of sound in radio. No one in the listening audience is jumping up and down, begging for digital radio! Ignorance is the main reason many people are pushing digital, just plain ol' ignorance! Many who are beating the drum for HD are doing so without actually hearing it. They don't know what a low bit rate stream really sounds like. They don't know how the digital artifacts and lack of dynamic range will sound worse than what we've got now. They are unaware of the interference issues it raises and not taking the time to really think about how the system is going to limit the average broadcaster when it comes to things like off-air monitoring, remote broadcasts and the degradation it imposes on the standard analog component of their signal.. The analog component that will be the only thing many, many of their potential listeners will hear for years to come. I know that for many here I am just restating the obvious but it is really beginning to bother me how little is being said about this within the industry. What a waste! Dumping millions of dollars into a bad idea that isn't going to really do much to help improve radio public image is a horrible misdirection of resources at a time when the programming is at an all time low in quality and relevance to the audience. An audience, by the way, that does not care about digital radio and will not be shelling out the extra money to buy the radios to get it. It's not the quality of sound they are complaining about; it's the repetitive, boring and sometimes offensive programming. Fix programming first, give the engineers more time to iron out the bugs and then let's talk about digital. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Apr 14 19:21:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23447 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2005 02:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2005 02:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2005 02:21:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:21:43 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.201 by BAY101-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 02:21:43 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:21:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2005 02:21:43.0747 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDB95130:01C54161] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Lost Dog Reports was: IBOC cost vs AM Stereo Cost X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom wrote: > I concur, except for the lost dog reports.... That reminds me of when I was the CE and DJ for a small Full Service Hot AC daytimer. I had to fill in on the morning show and do the "On Air garage sale" and what have you. Buried in the middle of the lost dog reports, I said there was a lost Half Yorki, Half Saint Bernard mix dog and gave the PD's phone number. It didn't take long for the unlisted "hot line" phone to light up! LOL The GM was laughing so hard, he couldn't walk. LIVE small town radio was fun. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 14 20:01:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25024 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2005 03:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2005 03:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.1) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2005 03:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@69.105.82.197 with login) by smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2005 03:01:38 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c54167$af468b00$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:03:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.170.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Subject: UPN RADIO? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hay Gang Dose any one know any thing about UPN Stations Groips Inc? Because i went to www.fcc.gov site and looked up KFRC AM 610 and thats hoo thay are licensed to know. Now i know that UPN TV is a spin off of CBS. I found that out waching Smack Down on UPN TV and thay had a CBS NEWS update about the IROC wor about 2 years ago. Thanks Jim Smith P.S Thay are still playing oldies on 610 am. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Thu Apr 14 20:48:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33847 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2005 03:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2005 03:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2005 03:48:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2005 03:48:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2005 03:48:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 03:48:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1128 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.164.233.8 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > part....unfortunately, there are far too many programming consultants > out there who have given us '10 in a row with no talk' The "Jack" format and its variants is a solution to this problem....One can say that it is not only becoming a format, but a new way to program radio, since Emmis is now employing the 'style' at non Classic Hits/Hot AC stations (a Country one, "Hank", in Indy, and at an Alternative station, the legendary Q-101 in Chicago). The reasoning is simple: a wide playlist in the thousands. Radio has evolved to the point it cannot be the 'revolution' it was when Tom Donahue found his way to KMPX(FM) in 1968, and started Rock FM Radio, with a very informal sound....Accountants have found a way to change that, but the "Jack" concept is the closest we will get to that in this day and age. Sidebar note: It just occured to me how there is really no such thing today as a 'counterculture' anymore...So much talk lately about how G.W. Bush has an iPod, and what music is in it...Did Nixon have an "8 Track Stereo"?? I never heard he did, but then again I was born in 1976. --tony s. From Bossmsx@aol.com Thu Apr 14 20:52:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99028 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2005 03:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2005 03:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2005 03:52:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2005 03:52:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2005 03:52:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 03:52:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 773 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.164.233.8 From: "Anthony" Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > I'm building a new facility right now. The only tape in the building > is cassette decks...because some of our clients haven't been weaned > off of tape onto CD yet. When I was at Infinity in West Palm (facility built in 1996), we had both Mini Disc and Cassette skimmers..And there, on the air, we had Cart Decks and an ancient on air software system from RCS..When I later went to Clear Channel Miami (facility from around 2000 or 2001), we had the latest software from Prophet, and all kinds of other goodies but only a cassette skimmer...No digital means of making an aircheck...Go figure...I always figured it was a ways of keeping us from being able to make great sounding demos to send to other stations if we were looking for a job elsewhere. --tony From Bossmsx@aol.com Thu Apr 14 20:55:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5490 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2005 03:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2005 03:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2005 03:55:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2005 03:55:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2005 03:55:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 03:55:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 368 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.164.233.8 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > You gotta give it time. Prices will come down. My main 'gripe' is the lack of availability of an HD Radio that is semi-portable (such as to be able to make airchecks)...Has been always...Allegedly Boston Acoustics and Radiosophy (ex-Riveradio) are right around the corner from making an announcement, with Radiosophy making one at NAB, so we'll see. --tony From jimsmith@vfr.net Thu Apr 14 22:25:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83924 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2005 05:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2005 05:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2005 05:25:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2005 05:25:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2005 05:24:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 05:24:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c54167$af468b00$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 870 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.123.99.16 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: UPN RADIO? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hay Gang Dose any one know any thing about UPN Stations Groips Inc? Because i went to www.fcc.gov site and looked up KFRC AM 610 and thats hoo thay are licensed to know. Now i know that UPN TV is a spin off of CBS. I found that out waching Smack Down on UPN TV and thay had a CBS NEWS update about the IROC wor about 2 years ago. Thanks Jim Smith P.S Thay are still playing oldies on 610 am. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Hi Gang I did some more looking around on the FCC site and yes UPN radio and Infinity are one. Thay have the same mailing and every thing. KFRC AM 610 is licensed under UPN Stations Group Inc until December of 2005. So i guess UPN radio is CBS after all. Maybe KFRC AM 610 will not be KSUCK after all for now. Jim Smith From kya1260@lycos.com Fri Apr 15 09:29:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23974 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2005 16:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2005 16:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2005 16:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 076D218001D8 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:29:46 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 15 Apr 2005 16:32:15 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E4A0DC611C; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:29:57 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:29:57 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:29:57 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050415162957.E4A0DC611C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony > Sidebar note: It just occured to me how there is really=20 > no such thing today as a 'counterculture' anymore...So=20 > much talk lately about how G.W. Bush has an iPod, and=20 > what music is in it...Did Nixon have an "8-Track Stereo"??=20 > I never heard he did, but then again I was born in 1976. > --tony s. Unlikely that Nixon had an 8-track; he was busy editing other forms of tape at the time, allegedly... :o) --jay --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From wa2fnq@optonline.net Fri Apr 15 10:06:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62808 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2005 17:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2005 17:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2005 17:06:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2005 17:05:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2005 17:05:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:05:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1340 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.114.164.108 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Right on the money Tom. Unfortunately these programming consultants know not what they do. They believe if you cut the playlist to a small group of proven songs that every time someone tunes in they'll hear a dynamite hit. But there's only so many times you can hear the same song over and over again. Never mind 10 in a row. How about an air personality between the records that is worth listening to. In my opinion there's very few of them around anymore. People think that Howard Stern or Opie and Anthony are great because they have nothing good to compare them to. Radio has lost it's direction. I hope someday that it can regain a piece of the greatness that it once had. Jerry WA2FNQ > > Technical quality is only part of the equation. Programming is a huge > part....unfortunately, there are far too many programming consultants > out there who have given us '10 in a row with no talk' and restrictive > playlists so 'we don't drive anybody away'. Problem is, people ARE > being driven away by hearing the same 200 songs from the '70's over > and over....and nothing is being done to attact new listeners....ther > is no more fun and daring on the air any longer. With all the > competition over the past 10 years coming in, programming has > stagnated and given listeners a reason to leave. Sad but true. > > TR From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Apr 15 10:28:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50923 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2005 17:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2005 17:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2005 17:28:22 -0000 X-Node: 4 Received: from stodd (modem0181-pli-tnt-mpls1.cpinternet.com [64.61.217.181]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j3FHS5LL018683 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:28:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002201c541e1$19461ec0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:32:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UPN RADIO? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It hasn't gone through the full FCC license transfer process yet- just give it time and FR's brand of sleepytime religion will be there. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimsmith95663" > Hi Gang I did some more looking around on the FCC site and yes UPN > radio and Infinity are one. Thay have the same mailing and every > thing. KFRC AM 610 is licensed under UPN Stations Group Inc until > December of 2005. So i guess UPN radio is CBS after all. Maybe KFRC > AM 610 will not be KSUCK after all for now. Jim Smith From kya1260@lycos.com Fri Apr 15 12:15:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62258 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2005 19:15:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2005 19:15:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2005 19:15:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 41D6C18001B0 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:15:30 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 15 Apr 2005 19:18:04 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6CD70C611C; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:15:42 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [68.125.55.118] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:15:42 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:15:42 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050415191542.6CD70C611C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UPN RADIO? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" > It hasn't gone through the full FCC license transfer process yet-=20 > just give it time and FR's brand of sleepytime religion will be there. I believe it takes about 90 days for a station transfer to go through=20 the F.C.C. process...=20 Look for around May or early June for the changes at KFRC 610 M.C. According to a published report, the Infinity/UPN Radio/CBS (or whomever the h--- they decide to call themselves)=20 acquisition of KOVR channel 13 (Stockton/Sacramento) forced them to relinquish one of their radio properties, so be it KFRC... --jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UPN RADIO? Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:32:20 -0500 >=20 > It hasn't gone through the full FCC license transfer process yet- just gi= ve > it time and FR's brand of sleepytime religion will be there. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jimsmith95663" >=20 > > Hi Gang I did some more looking around on the FCC site and yes UPN > > radio and Infinity are one. Thay have the same mailing and every > > thing. KFRC AM 610 is licensed under UPN Stations Group Inc until > > December of 2005. So i guess UPN radio is CBS after all. Maybe KFRC > > AM 610 will not be KSUCK after all for now. Jim Smith What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Fri Apr 15 15:08:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48217 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2005 22:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2005 22:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2005 22:08:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2005 22:08:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2005 22:08:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:08:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1685 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.111.241.195 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I concur. These imbeciles wouldn't know talent if I sent them my airchecks..... All this @#$%#-ing voice-tracking--- AGGHHH!!! All we have left on the weekend around here is Jay Arnold's Gold Vine. Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > Right on the money Tom. Unfortunately these programming consultants > know not what they do. They believe if you cut the playlist to a small > group of proven songs that every time someone tunes in they'll hear a > dynamite hit. But there's only so many times you can hear the same > song over and over again. Never mind 10 in a row. How about an air > personality between the records that is worth listening to. In my > opinion there's very few of them around anymore. People think that > Howard Stern or Opie and Anthony are great because they have nothing > good to compare them to. Radio has lost it's direction. I hope someday > that it can regain a piece of the greatness that it once had. > > Jerry WA2FNQ > > > > > Technical quality is only part of the equation. Programming is a > huge > > part....unfortunately, there are far too many programming consultants > > out there who have given us '10 in a row with no talk' and > restrictive > > playlists so 'we don't drive anybody away'. Problem is, people ARE > > being driven away by hearing the same 200 songs from the '70's over > > and over....and nothing is being done to attact new listeners....ther > > is no more fun and daring on the air any longer. With all the > > competition over the past 10 years coming in, programming has > > stagnated and given listeners a reason to leave. Sad but true. > > > > TR From Bossmsx@aol.com Fri Apr 15 18:04:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67586 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2005 01:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2005 01:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2005 01:04:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2005 01:04:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2005 01:04:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:04:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002201c541e1$19461ec0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1182 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.139.242.136 From: "Anthony" Subject: {AMSF} Re: UPN RADIO? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Don't necessarily read into what the licensee of record is and immediately take that to be the owner...Clear Channel holds stations under several names: "Citicasters", "AMFM Incorporated", all names that previously were companies in and of themselves but were acquired by Clear Channel along the way (or companies that were bought by CC). Even then, some stations are owned by "Clear Channel" of a certain area, or "Clear Channel" of a certain area...I could never figure out why the station I worked at in Miami (WZTA) had its' license held by "Clear Channel of Tulsa", seeing how CC is headquartered in San Antonio, Tx. Maybe someone better skilled in 'legalese' knows why it's done this way. There is a CP for 1110 in LA on record, that was applied for by "Infinity of Boston/WOAZ", part of the reason being that WOAZ in Boston (then 99.5), KLSX and 1110 in Pasadena were the 'trading cards' at one point between Greater Media and Infinity when they did a trade for stations, in the early days of the Telecom Act of '96, when companies were looking to 'fatten' their clusters. UPN is a subsidiary of Viacom and therefore close enough to be Infinity. --tony From Bossmsx@aol.com Fri Apr 15 18:10:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63798 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2005 01:10:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2005 01:10:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2005 01:10:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2005 01:10:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2005 01:10:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:10:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050415191542.6CD70C611C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 300 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.139.242.136 From: "Anthony" Subject: {AMSF} Re: UPN RADIO? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > acquisition of KOVR channel 13 (Stockton/Sacramento) forced > them to relinquish one of their radio properties, so be it > KFRC... In LA, I think CBS is buying a TV station, for which they don't have to outright sell KFWB/980, but they do have to put it into an independent trust of sorts. --t From brucec@mindspring.com Sat Apr 16 06:49:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12915 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2005 13:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2005 13:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2005 13:49:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2005 13:49:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2005 13:49:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 13:49:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 112 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 4.252.254.204 From: "Bruce Carter" Subject: KMKI 620 Dallas Radio Disney is now in IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Anybody near Dallas can now hear IBOC sidebands on 600, 610, 630, and 640. KLBJ 590 is realtively unaffected. From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Apr 16 07:55:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1885 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2005 14:55:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2005 14:55:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp817.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.3) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2005 14:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@68.22.243.241 with login) by smtp817.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2005 14:55:04 -0000 Message-ID: <005c01c54294$4608c4e0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:55:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.170.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KMKI 620 Dallas Radio Disney is now in IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > Anybody near Dallas can now hear IBOC sidebands on 600, 610, 630, and > 640. KLBJ 590 is realtively unaffected. It appears that in Central Indiana, WIBC (Indianapolis) 1070 has IBOC noise, WLW (Cincinnati-700 has sideband noise - I can't hear WGN during the day any more due to WLW's IBOC garbage... no more Cubbies) and I believe I heard sideband noise on WOWO (Ft Wayne) 1190. It's gotten too big to stop, but I have yet to hear a consumer mention listening to Rush or Billy Cunningham in HD. In my ever-so-humble opinion, the only way IBOC will have impact is if the FCC tells manufacturers of "all radios over $50 in vale" they must have digital tuners... similar to the way they are forcing everyone to buy HD TV's (I believe starting this summer, all TV's with screens over 19" have to be HDTV's). I just did a little checking, and even the mighty Crutchfield only lists one HD Radio tuner in their catalog, and it must be used as an add-on to one of their current automotive receivers. The cost: $399 plus S&H. If there enough early adopters, the price will come down, but I like to be first on my block with newer technology and I have absolutely no desire to spend $ 400 for which I will get no appreciable benefit. Even HD TV has the benefit of a16:9 screen with noticeable improvement in picture quality. I can think of no reason to buy HD radio. Meanwhile, I can continue living in the past since one of the best sounding IBOC stations in America (WZZB 1390 in Seymour Indiana) continues to play music (gold-based AC) 24/7. -Jim- From bradleyj2@aol.com Sat Apr 16 15:23:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4936 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2005 22:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2005 22:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2005 22:22:58 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38.7.) id r.f7.4e9662e5 (15899) for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d36 (mblk-d36.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.220]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID92-3e1b42619038204; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:22:48 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:22:48 -0400 Message-Id: <8C710E9F467186A-A60-36E63@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com> References: <005c01c54294$4608c4e0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> Received: from 216.108.210.98 by mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.220) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:22:48 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <005c01c54294$4608c4e0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.12132 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.220 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KMKI 620 Dallas Radio Disney is now in IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim...I think you mean one of the best C-QuAM stations ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Jim Burgan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:55:03 -0500 Subject: Re: {AMSF} KMKI 620 Dallas Radio Disney is now in IBOC Meanwhile, I can continue living in the past since one of the best sounding IBOC stations in America (WZZB 1390 in Seymour Indiana) continues to play music (gold-based AC) 24/7. -Jim- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 16 17:18:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85506 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 00:18:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 00:18:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 00:18:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 00:18:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 00:18:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 00:18:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005c01c54294$4608c4e0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1226 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.86.11 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: IBOC... KMKI adds it, WIP dumps it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It appears that in Central Indiana, WIBC (Indianapolis) 1070 has > IBOC noise, WLW (Cincinnati-700 has sideband noise - I can't hear > WGN during the day any more due to WLW's IBOC garbage... no more > Cubbies) and I believe I heard sideband noise on WOWO (Ft Wayne) > 1190. Don't worry... IBOC / "HD Radio" will soon go the way of DCC, CD-i, and LaserDisc due to a lack of receivers. People continue to compare IBOC to AM Stereo, but actually it's even worse than AM Stereo, because IBOC purposely degrades a station's audio and signal *and* intentionally causes harmful interference to other stations on the band. Can you imagine if AM Stereo did the same thing!? "Platform motion" is like *nothing* compared to all the serious problems that IBOC has. Meanwhile, in Philadelphia, Infinity recently pulled the plug on 610 WIP's IBOC after having it on the air for only about a month. Since last week I have not heard WIP using IBOC anymore at all -- they are back to clean analog AM mono with full 10 kHz audio response, and as a result, I can actually listen to 600 WICC again without their signal being ruined by the sound of frying eggs! Now, let's hope those other stations soon follow WIP's trend.... From badeditpro@cox.net Sun Apr 17 02:33:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36067 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 09:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 09:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 09:33:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 09:33:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 09:33:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:33:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005c01c54294$4608c4e0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 412 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: KMKI 620 Dallas Radio Disney is now in IBOC/Complain to the FCC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions >(Cincinnati-700 has sideband noise - I can't hear WGN during the day >any more due to WLW's IBOC garbage... no more Cubbies) Hey, You can file a complaint with the FCC=85 You are in WGN's secondary service area. The interference is keeping you from hearing the Cubbies and that is denial of service to you=85. You [probably won't get any relief but your complaint will add to the paper trial. I'd do it=85 From jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 17 03:06:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21324 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 10:06:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 10:06:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 10:06:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 10:06:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 10:06:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:06:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1117 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.216.101.20 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Randy Michaels on HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215058239 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Randy Michaels has something to say about HD Radio in the latest M Street publication: "You probably know that IBOC was never rolled out. All the required data was supposed to be on channel, 20 dB below the analog carrier, remember? Shannon's law caught up with compression algorithms and the required throughput just wasn't attainable. So what we have now is really IBAC. The promise that the digital signal would be undetectable on an analog radio sounded too good to be true, and it was. IBAC provides a low bit rate one way digital service that can sound pretty good under strong signal, low interference conditions. For this, we get some adjacent channel interference as a trade off. In the case of AM, this tradeoff can be substantial loss of secondary analog coverage, particularly when multiple IBAC carriers interfere. Broadcasters who expect to improve AM coverage with IBAC are going to be disappointed." So keep your chin up about the long term viability of analog AM stereo. Download the complete M Street publication from here: http://meduci.com/Spring2005NABjournal.pdf 73, Jeff Deck From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Apr 17 07:05:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48308 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 14:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 14:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 14:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@68.22.243.241 with login) by smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 14:05:50 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c54356$8f686880$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <005c01c54294$4608c4e0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> <8C710E9F467186A-A60-36E63@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:05:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.170.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KMKI 620 Dallas Radio Disney is now in IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Burgan > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:55:03 -0500 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} KMKI 620 Dallas Radio Disney is now in IBOC > > > > > Meanwhile, I can continue living in the past since one of the best > sounding > IBOC stations in America (WZZB 1390 in Seymour Indiana) continues to play > music (gold-based AC) 24/7. > > > Jim...I think you mean one of the best C-QuAM stations ;-) I had to read your message three times before it finally dawned on me what I wrote. Sheesh, it's bad to te get old. Right you are! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Apr 17 10:30:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53416 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 17:30:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 17:30:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 17:30:24 -0000 X-Node: 3 Received: from stodd (modem0029-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.29]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j3HHUJhU000827 for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 12:30:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000f01c54373$c0ed3bc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 12:34:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMKI 620 Dallas Radio Disney is now in IBOC/Complain to the FCC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I would too. I know that Salem is keeping tabs on IBOC interference to their stations. If there's a paper trail to be left, it's up to folks like us to make it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JC" >(Cincinnati-700 has sideband noise - I can't hear WGN during the day >any more due to WLW's IBOC garbage... no more Cubbies) Hey, You can file a complaint with the FCC. You are in WGN's secondary service area. The interference is keeping you from hearing the Cubbies and that is denial of service to you.. You [probably won't get any relief but your complaint will add to the paper trial. I'd do it. From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sun Apr 17 12:31:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77251 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 19:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 19:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 19:31:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 19:31:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 19:31:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 19:31:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 921 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.191.155 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: Lost Dog Reports was: IBOC cost vs AM Stereo Cost X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 That's another thing we need, a GM with a sense of humor. T. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Tom wrote: > > I concur, except for the lost dog reports.... > > That reminds me of when I was the CE and DJ for a small Full Service Hot AC daytimer. I had to fill in on the morning show and do the "On Air garage sale" and what have you. Buried in the middle of the lost dog reports, I said there was a lost Half Yorki, Half Saint Bernard mix dog and gave the PD's phone number. It didn't take long for the unlisted "hot line" phone to light up! LOL The GM was laughing so hard, he couldn't walk. > > LIVE small town radio was fun. > > Kevin in Tampa > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Apr 17 16:26:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4342 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 23:26:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 23:26:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 23:26:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@68.22.243.241 with login) by smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 23:26:55 -0000 Message-ID: <000501c543a4$f1b3d800$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <000f01c54373$c0ed3bc0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:26:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.170.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMKI 620 Dallas Radio Disney is now in IBOC/Complain to the FCC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >>>(Cincinnati-700 has sideband noise - I can't hear WGN during the day >>>any more due to WLW's IBOC garbage... no more Cubbies) >>Hey, >> You can file a complaint with the FCC. You are in WGN's secondary >> service area. The interference is keeping you from hearing the >>Cubbies and that is denial of service to you.. You [probably won't get >>any relief but your complaint will add to the paper trial. >>I'd do it. > I would too. I know that Salem is keeping tabs on IBOC interference to > their stations. If there's a paper trail to be left, it's up to folks > like > us to make it. . I will file a complaint, but the CE of Clear Channel-Cincinnati is a friend (well, an acquaintance) and he knows of my passion for C-Quam (I've voiced my opinions going back to their Jacor days when they still played music, but never in stereo. Internally, my complaint will go relatively unnoticed, and we all know what the feds are doing about this. Our current FCC is concerned about 2 things and 2 things only: EAS violations and tower violations (lights and paint only... they could care less if the station is at the correct power level or if their directional array proofs out, or if they are even using the correct DA pattern). Our best hope may come from north of the border as I recently read that Canada will be holding the US responsible for maintaining the conditions of the treaties we have with Canada (what was the big treaty the US and Canada signed in 1948 or 1949... NABRA ??). Canada is not going to allow first adjacent's to splatter IBOC sidebands all over their class A or B protected contours. -Jim- From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 17 18:07:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87065 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 01:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 01:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 01:07:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 01:07:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 01:07:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 01:07:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c54373$c0ed3bc0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1450 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.73.131 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: KMKI 620 Dallas Radio Disney is now in IBOC/Complain to the FCC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I would too. I know that Salem is keeping tabs on IBOC > interference to their stations. If there's a paper trail to be > left, it's up to folks like us to make it. I wouldn't hold my breath for Salem to convert either 560 WFIL in Philadelphia or 570 WMCA in New York City to IBOC. I bet they already know what the mutual interference between these two neighboring stations would be horrendous. As-is, Salem's 970 WWDJ in the NYC area is already getting plenty of second-adjacent-channel IBOC interference from Greater Media's 950 WPEN in Philly. Speaking of which... WPEN is really the only major-market AM IBOC station with a mainstream English-language music format that has traditionally earned good ratings. But ever since they flipped on the IBOC last summer, their ratings have gone down in the toilet! Last Spring, they had a 3.0 in the Philly Arbitron, but in the latest ratings trend, they've plummeted to a 1.0. Part of this is because WPEN flipped to an uninspiring, cookie-cutter Oldies format with informercials galore, but I'm willing to put money on the fact that all the hiss and hash and the horribly tinny, "ringy" 5 kHz audio caused by their IBOC signal has also been a major factor in this severe decline. (Even back in their C-Quam AM Stereo days, WPEN's audio was rather dull and "wimpy", and now with IBOC in use, it's ten times worse. Even music-on-hold on my telephone sounds better than WPEN!) From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Apr 17 18:55:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61273 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 01:55:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 01:55:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 01:55:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 01:55:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 01:55:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 01:55:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 187 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.163.100.196 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: KMKI 620 Dallas Radio Disney is now in IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 What is the status of KBIS/1160 over there?? That station is currently dark, but is supposed to be returning to the air, and is listed to be doing so with IBOC, as well. --tony/miami From jimsmith@vfr.net Sun Apr 17 23:46:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75055 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 06:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 06:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 06:46:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 06:45:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 06:45:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 06:45:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1689 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.126.223.87 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: KMKI 620 Dallas Radio Disney is now in IBOC/Complain to the FCC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > I would too. I know that Salem is keeping tabs on IBOC > > interference to their stations. If there's a paper trail to be > > left, it's up to folks like us to make it. > > I wouldn't hold my breath for Salem to convert either 560 WFIL in > Philadelphia or 570 WMCA in New York City to IBOC. I bet they > already know what the mutual interference between these two > neighboring stations would be horrendous. As-is, Salem's 970 WWDJ > in the NYC area is already getting plenty of second-adjacent- channel > IBOC interference from Greater Media's 950 WPEN in Philly. > > Speaking of which... WPEN is really the only major-market AM IBOC > station with a mainstream English-language music format that has > traditionally earned good ratings. But ever since they flipped on > the IBOC last summer, their ratings have gone down in the toilet! Hi Gang I bet that thay would move the two stations freq farther a part then sell one of them. Jim Smith > Last Spring, they had a 3.0 in the Philly Arbitron, but in the latest > ratings trend, they've plummeted to a 1.0. Part of this is because > WPEN flipped to an uninspiring, cookie-cutter Oldies format with > informercials galore, but I'm willing to put money on the fact that > all the hiss and hash and the horribly tinny, "ringy" 5 kHz audio > caused by their IBOC signal has also been a major factor in this > severe decline. (Even back in their C-Quam AM Stereo days, WPEN's > audio was rather dull and "wimpy", and now with IBOC in use, it's > ten times worse. Even music-on-hold on my telephone sounds better > than WPEN!) From brucec@mindspring.com Mon Apr 18 06:16:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brucec@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81912 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 13:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 13:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 13:16:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 13:16:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 13:16:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:16:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 393 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.91.75.30 From: "Bruce Carter" Subject: Re: KMKI 620 Dallas Radio Disney is now in IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=670914 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > What is the status of KBIS/1160 over there?? That station is currently > dark, but is supposed to be returning to the air, and is listed to be > doing so with IBOC, as well. > > --tony/miami Dark the last time I checked. I'm not looking forward to it - 1160 is one of the Radio Disney affiliates I can get when the local Radio Disney plays lame brokered programming or lame sports. From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Apr 18 09:09:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32998 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 16:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 16:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 16:09:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 16:08:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 16:08:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:08:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 38 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.75.227.85 From: "Anthony" Subject: New HD Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Check out www.radiosophy.com. --tony From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 18 15:56:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44530 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 22:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 22:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 22:56:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 22:56:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 22:56:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:56:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1153 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.86.138 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Armstrong low-band FM to return in June! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics On June 11 and 12th, a special broadcast will be made from the Armstrong Tower in Alpine, NJ on 42.800 MHz under the call sign WA2XMN, as a recreation of Major Armstrong's pioneering FM station 42.8 W2XMN. The broadcast will feature a dramatic presentation adapted from the book "Empires of the Air" in addition to some old W2XMN broadcasts, including their final signoff in 1954 after the death of Amrstrong. The event was organized by the owners of the Armstrong Tower. WA2XMN is licensed with the FCC under a Special Temporary Authority (STA) to operate as an "Experimental" station. So far it is not clear whether WA2XMN's signal will be WBFM (as an exact recreation of a low-band FM broadcast signal) or NBFM (receivable on common scanner radios). Personally, I think low-band FM broadcasting could become a viable service for current AM stations to migrate to, with enough bandwidth to set up a viable digital broadcasting scheme that won't suffer from all of AM IBOC's horrendous problems. So let's hope WA2XMN's special broadcast will mark the resurrection of low-band FM broadcasting, rather than just be a one-off event. From jimmyyearwood@msn.com Mon Apr 18 16:31:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmyyearwood@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55891 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 23:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 23:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 23:31:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 23:31:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 23:31:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:31:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1427 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.73.3.180 From: "jimmyyearwood" Subject: Re: Armstrong low-band FM to return in June! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153993962 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimmyyearwood I'd realy realy like to hear that broadcast.If anyone has info on eather a webcast or a recording of what is aired please please please let us know....8) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > On June 11 and 12th, a special broadcast will be made from the > Armstrong Tower in Alpine, NJ on 42.800 MHz under the call sign > WA2XMN, as a recreation of Major Armstrong's pioneering FM station > 42.8 W2XMN. The broadcast will feature a dramatic presentation > adapted from the book "Empires of the Air" in addition to some old > W2XMN broadcasts, including their final signoff in 1954 after the > death of Amrstrong. The event was organized by the owners of the > Armstrong Tower. WA2XMN is licensed with the FCC under a Special > Temporary Authority (STA) to operate as an "Experimental" station. > So far it is not clear whether WA2XMN's signal will be WBFM (as an > exact recreation of a low-band FM broadcast signal) or NBFM > (receivable on common scanner radios). > > Personally, I think low-band FM broadcasting could become a viable > service for current AM stations to migrate to, with enough bandwidth > to set up a viable digital broadcasting scheme that won't suffer from > all of AM IBOC's horrendous problems. So let's hope WA2XMN's special > broadcast will mark the resurrection of low-band FM broadcasting, > rather than just be a one-off event. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Apr 18 16:56:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52512 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 23:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 23:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 23:56:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:56:32 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.201 by BAY101-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:56:32 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:56:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2005 23:56:32.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F04B200:01C54472] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Armstrong low-band FM to return in June! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: >a special broadcast will be made from the Armstrong Tower in Alpine, NJ on 42.800 MHz under the call sign WA2XMN, I have been saying all along that FM was just a passing fad that would go full circle then fade away. EVERYBODY knows Plate Modulated AM sounds better than any FM system. > >I think low-band FM broadcasting could become a viable service for current AM stations to migrate to, Yes, then make ALL of the Medium Wave channels Class 1A Clears with C-QUAM or ISB Stereo and 15Khz audio a requirement. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 18 17:36:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47373 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2005 00:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2005 00:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2005 00:36:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2005 00:36:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2005 00:36:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 00:36:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1174 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.86.138 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Armstrong low-band FM to return in June! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Yes, then make ALL of the Medium Wave channels Class 1A Clears with > C-QUAM or ISB Stereo and 15Khz audio a requirement. Everyone has their own favorite way to "save" AM radio, but the one thing that many people seem to agree on is that all the smaller AM stations, including daytimers and "graveyard channels", need to be moved to a new band. And then as these stations leave the AM band, the big Class A and Class B stations can be given room to stretch out and further increase their already-wide-reaching signals. In fact, I don't think there should be _any_ maximum power level for these stations once the AM band is "de-cluttered"; any signal which can fit into the allocation scheme and meet the correct protection ratios should be allowed. So if you can build a 15-tower array and blast the equivalent of 2,000,000 watts over your city of license, without stepping onto any other neighboring stations or violating international radio treaties, then go for it! (Some Canadian stations already come close to that, such as 900 CHML, whose eight-tower 50 kW signal beams the equivalent of more than 800,000 watts over Hamilton, Ontario at night.) From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Apr 18 17:46:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44845 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2005 00:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2005 00:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2005 00:46:18 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:46:18 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.201 by BAY101-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 00:46:17 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:46:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2005 00:46:18.0144 (UTC) FILETIME=[32A6A200:01C54479] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: (OFF TOPIC) Star Guide III Codec X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Here in Tampa, Clear Channel killed the only syndicated radio show I like, The Bob & Tom Show http://www.bobandtom.com/, and I want to listen to it offline. Does anybody know where I can get the software to make my Pansat 2500a Free-To-Air DVB Sattelite receiver/IRD unscrew the MUSICAM codec SG3 uses on AMC8 ( Was GE8 / SATCOM C5)? Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Apr 18 19:47:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13516 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2005 02:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2005 02:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.182) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2005 02:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@68.22.243.241 with login) by smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2005 02:47:07 -0000 Message-ID: <00a501c5448a$13434b00$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:47:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Armstrong low-band FM to return in June! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > (Some Canadian stations already come close to that, such as 900 CHML, > whose eight-tower 50 kW signal beams the equivalent of more than > 800,000 watts over Hamilton, Ontario at night.) Holy smoke, I don't know how this station has managed to escape my curious eyes. I just checked them out and you gotta be kiddin' me! I thought I was aware of all exceptional AM facilities in North America but now I've seen it all. I thought the most concentrated RF was Dallas' KFXR 1190, with their 12 tower array. Even though it's only 5kw, it's like a flashlight beam into downtown Dallas and I once read (and have since forgotten) how much juice they squirted out. There is a major Northeast to Southwest street in downtown Dallas, and the joke for years has been that 1190's signal could be heard in the middle of the street, but you lost it when you hit the curb. It is the most directional antenna array in America, but it has nothing on CHML. From badeditpro@cox.net Tue Apr 19 01:31:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53036 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2005 08:31:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2005 08:31:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.240.30) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2005 08:31:29 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.0.17.189]) by lakermmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050419082558.NOEH28448.lakermmtao09.cox.net@yourfd6nvjcer4>; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 04:25:58 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c544b9$6bfabc40$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 04:26:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: IBOC HASH ON FM TOO!/WE NEED A NEW BAND! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reading about WPEN's ratings drop brings me to the conclusion that HD will probably so adversely effect ratings with the diminished coverage and sound quality degradation on most analog radios that it might just collapse on itself before there are enough HD receivers out there to be truly a viable medium. It will be interesting to track the ratings of AM and FM Stations that switch to the new technology because I know that a couple of dB of noise can adversely effect ratings in a tight market. The average listener will move on to greener pastures because the IBOC station 'doesn't sound right' to them even if they are not exactly aware of why. We have a couple of FM's that have turned it on locally and there is a noticeable increase in noise and a drop in signal strength. I'm not sure exactly why but the audio also sounds under modulated on those stations, too. This could just be a byproduct of the fact that they are probably running new processing and they have not yet tweaked it up yet, though. The noise increase is quite noticeable, however. I have not spent a great deal of time looking into the FM IBOC system so I'm not sure exactly why this is happening.. Still, the degradation of the analog signal is a heck of a lot more noticeable than I thought it would be on FM! After much thought and research, I think the FCC should open up a new band for HD radio and give existing stations the chance to simulcast on it just as they did in the early days of FM. The idea of being able to integrate the new digital technology and into current analog standards is very appealing to non-technical types but it is proving to be almost impossible. I could almost live with the loss of the upper 5 Khz of bandwidth on the analog component of AM if I thought this could be smoothly implemented and the new radios could be rushed to market quick enough but the interference issues are going to seriously impede IBOC's mass implementation. It's easy to sit back and speculate on how it could be made to work if we could 'migrate' the smaller AM signals elsewhere and reshuffle the Class A's and B's to prevent adjacent channel problems but it ain't gonna happen. I have been involved in managing some of those 'graveyard' stations and I can tell you that I would fight tooth and nail if the FCC tried to move me anywhere! I would not even consider moving up to the expanded AM band because so many radio are still around that stop at 1610. These guys are hanging on by a thread, in a lot of cases, and they would not survive being moved anywhere and probably could not afford the extra expense for the TX and stick to begin simulating on a new band. We need to back off from the AM band and leave it alone! Getting manufacturers to build radios that actually conform to the existing NRSC I and II standards is what the radio industry should have been pushing for for the last 10 years and not wasting time and money on IBOC! iBiquity kept their cards very close to their vests for so long on this system that it was impossible to really know how it would perform up until just a couple years ago. With all do respect to the fine engineers who read this forum who have broken new ground with this system, I think we have seen enough to know that it is not what it was advertised as being and it is time we stopped wasting money on it and come up with a new direction for HD radio lie a new band for DAB. Maybe we could be talking about putting out a truly High Definition 128 kbps or even higher bit rate stream instead of the paltry 34 and 96 kbps we are locked into now. How many here have ever heard an Ogg Vorbis encoded file at 128 kbps? Well, if you haven't I can tell you that Ogg is truly CD quality at that bit rate and I'm sure any of the new generation codecs could beat it. I would be proud to be putting out a quality signal like that. Think about it.. IBiquity is trying to put a digital stream on a channel that is only 200 kHz wide on FM and they are getting 96 kbps out of it, right? So, what could you do with a channel that is 2 mHz wide? How wide are XM and Sirius' channels they are sending up to the bird? Is there some underutilized segment of the VHF or UHF bands that could be set aside for 200 channels of terrestrial DAB? I'd buy a radio with three bands on it and most other folks I know would too. That's where we need to go for DAB, folks.. A new band! This change in direction better happen before the investment in transmitting equipment and retooling for the manufacture of the radio's gets too far along in the process because years from now a current scheme HD radio will probably sort of be like what an old low band Armstrong FM receiver is now; a relic of a failed system that is completely useless today. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Tue Apr 19 02:19:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76690 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2005 09:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2005 09:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au) (150.229.64.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2005 09:19:41 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (138.194.10.10) by vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au with ESMTP; 19 Apr 2005 19:18:15 +1000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.92,112,1112536800"; d="scan'208"; a="34281809:sNHT28224672" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3J9IEvX004352 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:18:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:18:14 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Magic 693 back in stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 After a few worrying days Magic 693 is back in stereo. Praise the Lord - and all who work at this wonderful station. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:13:29 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Davidson To: Gary Hoffman Subject: Thanks! G'day Gary I just want to thank you for all the good things you achieve at our favourite station. It was disappointing with Magic sounding a bit flat the last few days in mono. I actually was listening 10 minutes ago when there was a momentary pop and the stereo light lit up and it seemed Magic was alive again. Thanks for all the work you do making Magic 693 the best sounding AM station in Australia. One small request ... Lately you are playing Frank Eifield's version of The Waywood Wind. Please occasionally play Gogi Grant's one hit wonder version. It is a true classic. cheers Ian ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Davidson _--_|\ home: 03 9534 8786 41 Smith Street / \ work: 03 9545 8717 St. Kilda Vic 3182 \_.--.*/ mobile: 0421 453 852 Australia v ian.davidson@csiro.au ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Tue Apr 19 05:31:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96512 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2005 12:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2005 12:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2005 12:31:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2005 12:30:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2005 12:30:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:30:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00a501c5448a$13434b00$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 164 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.124.221 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CHML X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I saw CHML's coverage map at Radio Locator http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat? call=CHML&service=AM&status=F&hours=D Is their tower site in the water?? From kya1260@lycos.com Tue Apr 19 09:45:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69793 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2005 16:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2005 16:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2005 16:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 2DD0F18002AB for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:45:59 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 19 Apr 2005 16:51:11 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A5AD8C6137; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:46:16 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:46:16 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:46:16 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050419164616.A5AD8C6137@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KFRC 610, formerly AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ From the 4/19 Radio Business Report "e-paper";=20 something I had heard about earlier... Though the article does not disclose the price, I heard KFRC-AM and 66 million in cash were going to Family Radio in exchange for that 106.9 FMer... Putting the San Jose FM stations "back on the block" should keep the D.O.J. off Infinity's back... --jay Infinity/Family: Other shoe drops in 'frisco The rumors that Viacom's Infinity radio operation was going=20 to wind up with the noncommercial-in-commercial-territory=20 KEAR-FM San Francisco have been percolating for quite a while,=20 and they began to bubble at a brisk simmer once Viacom=20 announced it was selling KFRC-AM to Family Stations Inc.=20 for 35 Million. Viacom has now made it official - it'll be=20 getting the 106.9 mHz station for an undisclosed price.=20 The station will be part of a superduopoly cluster which=20 will also include KCBS-A M, KFRC-F M, KYCY-A M, KITS-F M &=20 KLLC-F M. Two San Jose FMs owned by Infinity - - KBAY-F M=20 & KEZR-F M, are being put on the block. Infinity's Joel=20 Hollander explained the deal. "The acquisition of KEAR-F M,=20 coupled with the sale of KBAY and KEZR, strongly enhance=20 our position in San Francisco, the fourth largest radio=20 market in the United States. This move is consistent with=20 our strategy of concentrating on markets where we generate=20 the most revenue and cash flow." --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Apr 19 17:47:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37256 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2005 00:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2005 00:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2005 00:47:08 -0000 X-Node: 3 Received: from stodd (modem0109-pli-tnt-mpls1.cpinternet.com [64.61.217.109]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j3K0l5HZ021267 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:47:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003101c54543$1c6da400$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:51:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CHML X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude No- they don't have Canadian maps upon which to overlay the data. It's that way for all their stations. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" > I saw CHML's coverage map at Radio Locator > > http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat? > call=CHML&service=AM&status=F&hours=D > > Is their tower site in the water?? From bradleyj2@aol.com Tue Apr 19 19:51:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58549 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2005 02:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2005 02:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2005 02:51:24 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38.7.) id r.fb.6f7d796d (15886) for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d37 (mblk-d37.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.221]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-3e0e4265c3a72c; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:51:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:51:19 -0400 Message-Id: <8C7136AF6896A93-B18-E0C7@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> References: <003701c53eae$7e6a6260$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> Received: from 216.108.210.98 by mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.221) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:51:19 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <003701c53eae$7e6a6260$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.12132 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.221 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been sitting on this message for a week or so hoping to get some pictures of our studio and transmitter just because I'm a radio geek :-) ...But my new camera hasn't made it here yet. It's seems odd that the very first radio station I worked at (Where Jim is now) is so much more "cutting edge" than we are where I work! All of our production is done digital on either Cool Edit or Pro Tools, plus the usual DGS and SpotTaxi and Media Shooter...But our on-air studio is almost 100% old school. Heck...We still play all of our music off of CD (But to me the new Jones Chartbreakers CD's sound like they're made from mp3's...The Goo Goo Dolls Give a Little Bit sounds bad so we're playing it off of a CD single)...Jingles, Sweepers, Spots are on cart...We even still have the 'ol 5 Open Reel deck automation set up (AND...A closet full of old Drake/Chenault reels) "Just In Case". The Processing is all analog...Aphex stuff, StereoMaxx, Some home brew limiter and an 8100 Optimod with the xt chasis. Analog STL. In fact...I believe the only digital we have in our audio chain is the Harris Digit Exciter. I've managed to snap some pictures from our transmitter tonight on my cell phone if anyone wants to take a look. Maybe someone can identify what the heck something is for me. Between the STL receiver and the FM Exciter, there is a black box that just says "Wideband Modulation Controller Broadcast Controls"...Anyone want to take a peek and let me know what it is?!? http://www.alaweb.com/~wkmxfm/temp/audioclose.jpg http://www.alaweb.com/~wkmxfm/temp/audio1.jpg http://www.alaweb.com/~wkmxfm/temp/audio2.jpg http://www.alaweb.com/~wkmxfm/temp/xmter2.jpg http://www.alaweb.com/~wkmxfm/temp/xmter1.jpg http://www.alaweb.com/~wkmxfm/temp/wide.jpg http://www.alaweb.com/~wkmxfm/temp/rack.jpg I'll get studio pics later :-) Brad @ KMX -----Original Message----- From: Jim Burgan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:52:40 -0500 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 > Isn't it incredible? I think in the last six months, we've received > one spot on tape. I was floored. Who, in this day and age, is > sending out tape??? And who can get tape???? I was giving a tour to some Cub Scouts one evening, and one of their parents worked in radio for a few years. She asked me where the cart machines and reel to reel machines were. It dawned on me, we have 1 Otari RTR machine in a closet and it hasn't been used in a year.. Otherwise, we do not have a single tape machine of any kind in our building. Boy do I feel old! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditpro@cox.net Tue Apr 19 20:42:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66125 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2005 03:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2005 03:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2005 03:42:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2005 03:42:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2005 03:42:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 03:42:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8C7136AF6896A93-B18-E0C7@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 874 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, bradleyj2@a... wrote: > I've been sitting on this message for a week or so hoping to get some pictures of our studio and transmitter just because I'm a radio geek :-) ...But my new camera hasn't made it here yet. etc, etc etc. I took a gander at the pics and I'm also stumped about what the "Wideband Modulation Controller" is. I'll hazard a guess and say that it is some sort of modulation protection processing for the STL. It will be interesting to see if any of the other engineers here can identify this piece of equipment exactly and tell us what it's all about=85 Is there a filling cabinet in the transmitter building somewhere? There usually is a stash with all the service manuals for the equipment in the rack somewhere. If you do a little creative snooping you might be able to track the mystery box's down. : ) JC From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Apr 19 21:47:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3335 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2005 04:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2005 04:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.183) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2005 04:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@68.22.243.241 with login) by smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2005 04:47:43 -0000 Message-ID: <001901c54564$16f57b80$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 23:47:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CHML X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Is their tower site in the water?? Nope, they don't have maps of Canada in their database. Their site is on dry land. I have used and enjoy Radio-Locator for lots of information, but their RF plots aren't very accurate. You might want to give this one a spin.. Their RF plots are much better, although they aren't superimposed over a map. If that hyperlink didn't work, you can go to the site and enter the call letters in the search box yourself: http://www.fccinfo.com -Jim- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Apr 19 21:51:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9465 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2005 04:51:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2005 04:51:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2005 04:51:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@68.22.243.241 with login) by smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2005 04:51:40 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c54564$a45a3ab0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <003701c53eae$7e6a6260$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> <8C7136AF6896A93-B18-E0C7@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 23:51:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > The Processing is all analog...Aphex stuff, StereoMaxx, Some home brew > limiter and an 8100 Optimod with the xt chasis. Analog STL. In fact...I > believe the only digital we have in our audio chain is the Harris Digit > Exciter. > I though you were going to say you had CBS Labs Audimax and Volumax processing :-) -Jim- From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Apr 20 11:49:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91108 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2005 18:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2005 18:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2005 18:49:39 -0000 X-Node: 3 Received: from stodd (modem0161-pli-tnt-mpls1.cpinternet.com [64.61.217.161]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j3KInaYs002416 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 13:49:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001101c545da$57612ae0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 13:54:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I suspect "wideband" vs multiband- ie processes all frequencies at once. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "JC" I took a gander at the pics and I'm also stumped about what the "Wideband Modulation Controller" is. I'll hazard a guess and say that it is some sort of modulation protection processing for the STL. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Apr 20 12:04:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34660 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2005 19:04:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2005 19:04:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2005 19:04:26 -0000 X-Node: 2 Received: from stodd (modem0161-pli-tnt-mpls1.cpinternet.com [64.61.217.161]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j3KJ4JD8026686 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:04:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001901c545dc$67beb400$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <003701c53eae$7e6a6260$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> <8C7136AF6896A93-B18-E0C7@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:08:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Thanks for the pix, Bradley. Alternate-main RCA 20E-1 transmitters- wow! I don't think anyone is using anything that old for a main around here, though there might be a few in aux service in the smaller markets. Let me know if the old black-face exciters are still kicking around. I'd like to add them to my collection. The oldest FM transmitter in daily use in this state is an old ITA at KBEK in Mora, though they've got a newer BE exciter. Trying to get an ITA exciter from a guy in VA, but not having a lot of success so far. Actually it's got a Wilkinson nameplate on it because they bought the ITA line, but it's essentially the same thing and I want it for a cute little 250w ITA in my collection. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > > It's seems odd that the very first radio station I worked at (Where Jim is now) is so much more "cutting edge" than we are where I work! All of our production is done digital on either Cool Edit or Pro Tools, plus the usual DGS and SpotTaxi and Media Shooter...But our on-air studio is almost 100% old school. From bradleyj2@aol.com Wed Apr 20 12:53:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51237 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2005 19:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2005 19:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2005 19:53:40 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38.7.) id r.12e.5c65a78d (15874) for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d18 (mblk-d18.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.202]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID71-3e024266b31f286; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:53:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:53:02 -0400 Message-Id: <8C713F9B23D4E09-4A4-15706@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> References: <001101c545da$57612ae0$d503fea9@stodd> Received: from 216.108.210.98 by mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.202) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:53:02 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <001101c545da$57612ae0$d503fea9@stodd> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.12132 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.202 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes...But why is it at the transmitter after we've put the audio through 2 Aphex boxes, StereoMaxx and Optimod? And whi made it? The only reference I can find to it on Google is a Sta Max M1050 Wideband Modulation Controller Clipper Made by Chris Hood? Probably the first approach to MPX composite clipping? from the website http://www.261.gr/vintage.html And no one here has any idea where the paper work is. Brad @ KMX -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 13:54:04 -0500 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 I suspect "wideband" vs multiband- ie processes all frequencies at once. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "JC" I took a gander at the pics and I'm also stumped about what the "Wideband Modulation Controller" is. I'll hazard a guess and say that it is some sort of modulation protection processing for the STL. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bradleyj2@aol.com Wed Apr 20 12:58:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37603 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2005 19:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2005 19:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2005 19:58:33 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38.7.) id r.1e2.3a642694 (15874) for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d18 (mblk-d18.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.202]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID71-3e024266b45126e; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:58:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:58:10 -0400 Message-Id: <8C713FA6984E149-4A4-15800@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> References: <003701c53eae$7e6a6260$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> <8C7136AF6896A93-B18-E0C7@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> <001901c545dc$67beb400$d503fea9@stodd> Received: from 216.108.210.98 by mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.202) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:58:10 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <001901c545dc$67beb400$d503fea9@stodd> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.12132 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.202 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes...WKMX has two duelling RCA Fireboxes :-) Up until September of 2004 we were a mom & pop owned station...Got bought by Styles Media...They like to claim they're a mom & pop...But it's now even more corporate BS than I *ever* had to deal with back at Susquehanna. They keep telling us that a new solid state tx is on the way...in next years budget lol I have not seen the old black faced exciters, but you never know what you'll run across here...Makes it more fun that way Brad @ KMX -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:08:47 -0500 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 Thanks for the pix, Bradley. Alternate-main RCA 20E-1 transmitters- wow! I don't think anyone is using anything that old for a main around here, though there might be a few in aux service in the smaller markets. Let me know if the old black-face exciters are still kicking around. I'd like to add them to my collection. The oldest FM transmitter in daily use in this state is an old ITA at KBEK in Mora, though they've got a newer BE exciter. Trying to get an ITA exciter from a guy in VA, but not having a lot of success so far. Actually it's got a Wilkinson nameplate on it because they bought the ITA line, but it's essentially the same thing and I want it for a cute little 250w ITA in my collection. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > > It's seems odd that the very first radio station I worked at (Where Jim is now) is so much more "cutting edge" than we are where I work! All of our production is done digital on either Cool Edit or Pro Tools, plus the usual DGS and SpotTaxi and Media Shooter...But our on-air studio is almost 100% old school. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditpro@cox.net Wed Apr 20 16:07:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22847 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2005 22:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2005 22:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2005 22:26:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2005 22:26:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2005 22:26:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:26:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8C713F9B23D4E09-4A4-15706@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 801 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, bradleyj2@a... wrote: > Yes...But why is it at the transmitter after we've put the audio through 2 Aphex boxes, StereoMaxx and Optimod? And whi made it? The only reference I can find to it on Google is a > Sta Max M1050 > Wideband Modulation > Controller Clipper > Made by Chris Hood? Probably > the first approach to MPX composite clipping? > > > from the website http://www.261.gr/vintage.html > > > And no one here has any idea where the paper work is. > Just in case my last message did not go through which it appears it didn't. The box in question is a composite clipper. If this one shows up and the other does not. I'll explain further later. If my first message does get through before this one. Please disregard this message! :) JC From badeditpro@cox.net Wed Apr 20 16:09:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46143 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2005 21:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2005 21:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.60) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2005 21:48:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n31.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2005 21:48:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2005 21:48:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:48:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8C713F9B23D4E09-4A4-15706@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1857 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, bradleyj2@a... wrote: > Yes...But why is it at the transmitter after we've put the audio through 2 Aphex boxes, StereoMaxx and Optimod? And whi made it? The only reference I can find to it on Google is a=20 > Sta Max M1050 > Wideband Modulation > Controller Clipper > Made by Chris Hood? Probably > the first approach to MPX composite clipping? >=20=20 >=20=20 > from the website http://www.261.gr/vintage.html=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > And no one here has any idea where the paper work is. >=20=20 > Brad @ KMX OK, I followed the link and I got it now=85. It's a composite clipper! It takes the output from the STL and adds some extra clipping to the whole composite signal (modulated L+R, pilot and L-R sidebands) and does a little extra clipping just before it goes on to the exciter and off to the transmitter. Composite clipping is said to give you a smidge more loudness but it has a detrimental effect on the stereo image. You'll hear some distorted sounding garbage in the right channel when you are only driving the left with audio for instance=85 I thought I was looking at the STL transmitter at first. It is customary to place an AGC in front of the STL for modulation protection and to maximize the dynamic range of the STL system if you are sending discrete audio out to the transmitter. Orban made some processors that look an awful lot like your box that were designed to do just that=85 Since we are talking about an FM here, this is obviously a composite STL that takes the output of the stereo generator in the 8100/A and sends it out to the transmitter.=20=20 If I were you, I'd have a chat with the CE about this box and see if they might be willing to take it out of line altogether. It's one of the first generation composite clippers and it probably is doing more harm than good to the station's signal.=20=20 :) JC From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 16:27:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94110 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2005 23:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2005 23:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2005 23:27:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2005 23:27:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2005 23:27:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:27:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8C7136AF6896A93-B18-E0C7@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1357 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.77.2 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > We still play all of our music off of CD (But to me the new Jones > Chartbreakers CD's sound like they're made from mp3's...The Goo Goo > Dolls Give a Little Bit sounds bad so we're playing it off of a CD > single) That is one of the worst-sounding songs I've ever heard, in terms of audio quality (or complete lack thereof).... it sounds like it's been put through a typical CD mastering processor (compression, limiting, and hard clipping) two or three times in a row. And that's a shame, because it's a nice pop-rock song with a catchy hook. But I guess all it does is give me more of an excuse to play the original 1977 Supertramp version of "Give a Little Bit" instead. Of course, lousy-sounding music is nothing new... for example, the Raspberries' 1972 hit "Go All the Way" sounds as if it is being played from a worn-out cassette recording of a highly-processed FM radio station. Not only is it highly compressed to the point of creating a "pumping" effect, but the stereo image constantly wanders from left to right, and there isn't any true stereo separation that I can hear; only a touch of stereo reverb, in addition to the annoying "worn-out cassette" effect. (Or at least this is how it sounds on Time-Life's "Sounds of the Seventies" CD set; I don't know if a cleaner-sounding version of this song exists somewhere.) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 16:37:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83481 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2005 23:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2005 23:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2005 23:37:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2005 23:37:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2005 23:37:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:37:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8C7136AF6896A93-B18-E0C7@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 574 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.77.2 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Between the STL receiver and the FM Exciter, there is a black box > that just says "Wideband Modulation Controller Broadcast > Controls"...Anyone want to take a peek and let me know what it > is?!? I'd say it's a composite clipper. With FM Stereo, composite clipping is used to gain an extra fraction of loudness. Modern FM audio processors (including the Optimod 8200 and up) include a built-in composite clipper, but the Optimod 8100 does not, so it is common to use an external composite clipper with the 8100, placed between the Optimod and the transmitter. From bradleyj2@aol.com Wed Apr 20 17:13:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62358 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2005 00:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2005 00:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2005 00:13:41 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38.7.) id r.191.3dbbbffb (15862) for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d09 (mblk-d09.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.193]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-3df64266f02e286; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:13:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:13:35 -0400 Message-Id: <8C7141E183423D4-FBC-2DB9E@mblk-d09.sysops.aol.com> Received: from 216.108.210.98 by mblk-d09.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.193) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:13:35 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.12132 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.193 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Go All The Way sounded awful as well when I was at WGLD in Indianapolis off of the TM Century CD's...And don't forget about the Moody Blues Go Now! -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:27:18 -0000 Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 > We still play all of our music off of CD (But to me the new Jones > Chartbreakers CD's sound like they're made from mp3's...The Goo Goo > Dolls Give a Little Bit sounds bad so we're playing it off of a CD > single) That is one of the worst-sounding songs I've ever heard, in terms of audio quality (or complete lack thereof).... it sounds like it's been put through a typical CD mastering processor (compression, limiting, and hard clipping) two or three times in a row. And that's a shame, because it's a nice pop-rock song with a catchy hook. But I guess all it does is give me more of an excuse to play the original 1977 Supertramp version of "Give a Little Bit" instead. Of course, lousy-sounding music is nothing new... for example, the Raspberries' 1972 hit "Go All the Way" sounds as if it is being played from a worn-out cassette recording of a highly-processed FM radio station. Not only is it highly compressed to the point of creating a "pumping" effect, but the stereo image constantly wanders from left to right, and there isn't any true stereo separation that I can hear; only a touch of stereo reverb, in addition to the annoying "worn-out cassette" effect. (Or at least this is how it sounds on Time-Life's "Sounds of the Seventies" CD set; I don't know if a cleaner-sounding version of this song exists somewhere.) Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 21:40:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67545 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2005 04:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2005 04:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2005 04:40:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2005 04:40:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2005 04:40:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 04:40:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 969 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.196.86 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: That ------ng Denon! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Well, I was told from the people fixing the Denon (who sent it back to Denon to be repaired) that they can't ---ing FIX IT!! It's been an 11- year headache with this thing. First, I'm a victim of mail fraud, then I get one DOA, then get that replaced. This thing has that FM stereo/mono switching problem now.... They offered to replace it with a new tuner, but it doesn't have AM-Stereo. Guess what I'm going to do? You might check the USGS for Bay Area earthquakes tonight. GRRRRRR.. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, tom_richard1980@y... wrote: > > I got my Denon TU 680 NAB back (finally) and the FM was working for > not even a minute when it made these loud noises like someone was > running paper over a microphone, then it went back to this constant > rapid switching between stereo and mono. I'm taking advantage of > the 90-day guarantee but if it still doesn't work the only solace I > can take is that the AM-Stereo works perfectly. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Apr 20 21:52:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86713 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2005 04:52:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2005 04:52:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2005 04:52:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:52:47 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.201 by BAY101-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 04:52:47 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:52:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2005 04:52:47.0924 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6DF7740:01C5462D] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: That ------ng Denon! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom wrote: This thing has that FM stereo/mono switching problem now I can't understand why it can't be fixed, unless the parts are no longer made. I would look for a leaky capacitor in the MPX circuit or in the Power supply. I wouldn't think this problem would be hard to track down at all. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 22:10:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25442 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2005 05:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2005 05:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2005 05:10:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2005 05:10:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2005 05:10:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 05:10:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 679 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.180.71 From: "Tom" Subject: {AMSF} Re: That ------ng Denon! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 There was one part that was replaced they told me was the last one. Maybe they should change the name to "Demon". --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Tom wrote: > This thing has that FM stereo/mono switching problem now > > I can't understand why it can't be fixed, unless the parts are no longer > made. I would look for a leaky capacitor in the MPX circuit or in the Power > supply. I wouldn't think this problem would be hard to track down at all. > > Kevin in Tampa > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From Bossmsx@aol.com Thu Apr 21 04:43:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60658 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2005 11:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2005 11:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2005 11:43:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2005 11:43:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2005 11:43:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:43:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8C713FA6984E149-4A4-15800@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 430 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.75.227.85 From: "Anthony" Subject: Susquehanna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 <> Not sure if you read All Access, but Susquehanna is up for sale...I work with several people here who had the pleasure (and I do mean pleasure, because they have nothing but good things to say about those folks) to work with Susquehanna when they owned WQBA in Miami...One of the 'old guard' companies that was still around in the 'new world order' of radio. -tony/miami From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Apr 21 08:02:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56247 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2005 15:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2005 15:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2005 15:02:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2005 15:02:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2005 15:02:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:02:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8C7141E183423D4-FBC-2DB9E@mblk-d09.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 778 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.89.146.146 From: "narkspud" Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, bradleyj2@a... wrote: > Go All The Way sounded awful as well when I was at WGLD in Indianapolis off of the TM Century CD's...And don't forget about the Moody Blues Go Now! Well, "Go Now" is in very bad fake stereo on most of the reissues, but it's distorted even on the mono version. I've never heard a decent copy of "Go All the Way" -- I know it's just like that on the original US 45. Any other oldies that are especially bad recordings? I can think of Everything by Gary US Bonds and Jimmy Soul You - The Aquatones Stay - Maurice Williams and the Zodiacs My Generation - The Who Creeque Alley (stereo version) - The Mamas and the Papas Maybellene - Chuck Berry Mama Didn't Lie - Jan Bradley Barbara Ann - The Regents From bradleyj2@aol.com Thu Apr 21 08:40:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89884 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2005 15:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2005 15:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2005 15:40:14 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38.7.) id r.1fe.40a0 (15886) for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d32 (mblk-d32.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.216]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-3e0e4267c93b257; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:39:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:39:39 -0400 Message-Id: <8C7149F76A4530E-A70-1AEB8@mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com> Received: from 216.108.210.98 by mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.216) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:39:39 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.12132 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.216 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Susquehanna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have nothing but good things to say about Susquehanna. I worked there for one year (97-98), then went back from 1999-2003. Top notch company. They may have been a so-called big media company, but they actually let the local staffs run things. And weren't afraid to spend money on promotions...Or on people! Wow, what a concept! Brad @ KMX -----Original Message----- From: Anthony To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:43:28 -0000 Subject: {AMSF} Susquehanna <> Not sure if you read All Access, but Susquehanna is up for sale...I work with several people here who had the pleasure (and I do mean pleasure, because they have nothing but good things to say about those folks) to work with Susquehanna when they owned WQBA in Miami...One of the 'old guard' companies that was still around in the 'new world order' of radio. -tony/miami Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Thu Apr 21 12:10:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80327 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2005 19:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2005 19:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.185) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2005 19:10:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:10:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 205.240.42.72 by BAY22-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 19:10:51 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:10:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2005 19:10:51.0695 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5977BF0:01C546A5] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.16.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Delta ASE-1 Manual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd For those interested, I am presently working on converting the ASE-1 Manual to PDF. When it is finnished I will upload to http://www.part15.us and the AMSF FTP site. Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis (kc8gpd) Universal Life Ministries [ULC] http://www.freecycle.org http://www.part15.us From redledge78@yahoo.com Thu Apr 21 12:55:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: redledge78@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46605 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2005 19:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2005 19:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2005 19:55:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2005 19:55:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2005 19:55:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 19:55:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8C7149F76A4530E-A70-1AEB8@mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1310 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.111.241.195 From: "redledge78" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Susquehanna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59652447 X-Yahoo-Profile: redledge78 Don't you wish common sense wasn't so radical? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, bradleyj2@a... wrote: > I have nothing but good things to say about Susquehanna. I worked there for one year (97-98), then went back from 1999-2003. Top notch company. They may have been a so-called big media company, but they actually let the local staffs run things. And weren't afraid to spend money on promotions...Or on people! Wow, what a concept! > > Brad @ KMX > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anthony > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:43:28 -0000 > Subject: {AMSF} Susquehanna > > > > > <> > > Not sure if you read All Access, but Susquehanna is up for sale...I > work with several people here who had the pleasure (and I do mean > pleasure, because they have nothing but good things to say about those > folks) to work with Susquehanna when they owned WQBA in Miami...One of > the 'old guard' companies that was still around in the 'new world > order' of radio. > > -tony/miami > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Thu Apr 21 20:13:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34895 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2005 03:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2005 03:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2005 03:13:02 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBGS465AKB4PJA for (sender ); Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:12:27 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLIrhNKv7qk/CZSRO3CRK3ZQ= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KQ6MACZ7; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:11:32 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:10:35 -0700 Message-ID: <20050421.201036.3644.1.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ContentStamp: 6:3:77404512 X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Ibiquity Digital Corp. receives awards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Multicasting, Surround Developers Honored by Radio World "Cool Stuff" Panel Believing that the U.S. radio industry is entering a period of significant technological change, Radio World's 2005 "Cool Stuff" Award judging panel singled out two groups of companies for their roles in advancing new technologies. National Public Radio, Harris, Kenwood, Broadcast Electronics and Ibiquity Digital Corp. received "Cool Stuff" recognition for innovation in and advancement of the development of multicasting, the use of radio's existing bandwidth for multiple audio program streams. Telos/Omnia/Axia, Neural Audio and SRS Labs, and their respective development partners, were honored for advocacy of radio surround sound and for their demonstrations of how U.S. radio might implement it. The awards were announced Thursday at the NAB2005 convention by Radio World U.S. Editor in Chief Paul McLane. From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Thu Apr 21 21:20:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36849 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2005 04:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2005 04:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.196) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2005 04:20:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 21:20:26 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 69.69.66.63 by BAY22-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 04:20:26 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 00:20:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2005 04:20:26.0986 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C6594A0:01C546F2] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.16.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delta ASE-1 Manual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well for some reason i can't get it to upload to AMSR ftp site, maybe some one else can give it a try. any way i have it located on my friends server space here.... http://www.starwisp.net/~part15/ase1.pdf it's about 3.80 MB Enjoy:) PS:it took me 9 hours to convert it all to pdf and it is complete with schematics... Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis (kc8gpd) Universal Life Ministries [ULC] http://www.freecycle.org http://www.part15.us [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Apr 21 22:05:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58402 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2005 05:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2005 05:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2005 05:05:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2005 05:05:16 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.217] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2005 05:05:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 05:05:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 525 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.120.215.115 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delta ASE-1 Manual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > Well for some reason i can't get it to upload to AMSR ftp site, maybe some one else can give it a try. any way i have it located on my friends server space here.... > > http://www.starwisp.net/~part15/ase1.pdf > > it's about 3.80 MB > > Enjoy:) > > PS:it took me 9 hours to convert it all to pdf and it is complete with schematics... It's on the amstereo.audio-stream.net site, now: http://tinyurl.com/eysc9 Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimmyyearwood@msn.com Thu Apr 21 22:35:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmyyearwood@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90731 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2005 05:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2005 05:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2005 05:35:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2005 05:34:18 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.224] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2005 05:34:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 05:34:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1018 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.73.3.180 From: "jimmyyearwood" Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153993962 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimmyyearwood If you think "Go Now" was recorded too hot,find an old 45 copy of "Land of 1000 Dances" by Cannibal and the Headhunters --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, bradleyj2@a... wrote: > > Go All The Way sounded awful as well when I was at WGLD in > Indianapolis off of the TM Century CD's...And don't forget about the > Moody Blues Go Now! > > Well, "Go Now" is in very bad fake stereo on most of the reissues, but > it's distorted even on the mono version. I've never heard a decent > copy of "Go All the Way" -- I know it's just like that on the original > US 45. > > Any other oldies that are especially bad recordings? I can think of > > Everything by Gary US Bonds and Jimmy Soul > You - The Aquatones > Stay - Maurice Williams and the Zodiacs > My Generation - The Who > Creeque Alley (stereo version) - The Mamas and the Papas > Maybellene - Chuck Berry > Mama Didn't Lie - Jan Bradley > Barbara Ann - The Regents From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Apr 22 06:21:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33963 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2005 13:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2005 13:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2005 13:21:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2005 13:21:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2005 13:21:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:21:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 304 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.245.201.220 From: "narkspud" Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC..my $.02 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimmyyearwood" wrote: > > If you think "Go Now" was recorded too hot,find an old 45 copy > of "Land of 1000 Dances" by Cannibal and the Headhunters Definitely! And that reminds me of "The Jolly Green Giant" by the Kingsmen. Same "sound." From kya1260@lycos.com Fri Apr 22 07:09:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94637 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2005 14:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2005 14:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2005 14:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 1D55D1800130 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:08:36 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 22 Apr 2005 14:15:46 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 76F97CA077; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:09:42 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 06:09:42 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 06:09:42 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050422140942.76F97CA077@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Susquehanna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ I hear nothing but good things about Susquehanna, also, in San Francisco... R B R (Radio Business Repotr) repotrs that Cox Broadcasting is the likely candidate to acquire much of Susquehanna. Info below... --jay A vulture's-eye view of Coxquehanna If RBR speculation is correct and Cox Radio successfully goes after Pfaltzg= raff/Susquehanna's communications assets, it will add a good bit of beachfr= ont property to the CXR portfolio. But it would not be a seamless acquisiti= on - - there is overlap in three markets, and in at least one of them, the = overlap is significant. New territory would include Cincinnati (3 FMs), Dal= las (3 AMs, 3 FMS), Indianapolis (3 FMs), Kansas City (1 AM, 3 FMs) and Yor= k PA (1 AM, 2 FMs). Susquehanna also has a few more stations in small marke= ts here and there. The problem markets include Atlanta. There may be a prob= lem fusing Susquehanna's pair of FMs with a cluster that already includes a= big AM, four FMs, an ABC-affiliated TV station and the market's top newspa= per. Look for WNNX-FM and WWWQ-FM to go into the spin cycle if Cox/Susqueha= nna try to combine their media laundry lists. There's a different kind of p= roblem in San Francisco. Susquehanna h as a pair of AMs and three FMs, one = situated in embedded San Jose. Cox is not in the radio city, but it does ha= ve a strong Fox-affiliated television station based in Oakland and a low-ra= ted indy based in San Jose. There are lots of independent media voices in S= an Francisco, though, and CBS/Infinity, ABC, Clear Channel and Univision ha= ve all set a precedent with up-and-running radio/TV combinations in the far= -flung DMA. The third place is Houston - - Susquehanna brings one FM, Cox h= as four already. There are a lot of stations in Houston. This should sail t= hrough the Media Bureau with no problem. RBR observation: We doubt they'll have to toss the San Francisco or the Hou= ston radio stations with the bouquet in the event of a Susquehanna/Cox wedd= ing. So, in the final analysis, we'd guess that only the two Atlanta FMs wi= ll be subject to a forced sale. ----- Original Message ----- From: "redledge78" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Susquehanna Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 19:55:35 -0000 >=20 >=20 > Don't you wish common sense wasn't so radical? >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, bradleyj2@a... wrote: > > I have nothing but good things to say about Susquehanna. I worked > there for one year (97-98), then went back from 1999-2003. Top notch > company. They may have been a so-called big media company, but they > actually let the local staffs run things. And weren't afraid to > spend money on promotions...Or on people! Wow, what a concept! > > > > Brad @ KMX > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Anthony > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:43:28 -0000 > > Subject: {AMSF} Susquehanna > > > > > > > > > > <> > > > > Not sure if you read All Access, but Susquehanna is up for > sale...I > > work with several people here who had the pleasure (and I do mean=20 > > pleasure, because they have nothing but good things to say about > those > > folks) to work with Susquehanna when they owned WQBA in > Miami...One of > > the 'old guard' companies that was still around in the 'new world=20 > > order' of radio. > > > > -tony/miami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! 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To read it, go to: < www.rab.com/release.cfm?id=940 > From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Apr 22 13:21:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22626 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2005 20:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2005 20:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2005 20:21:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:21:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by BAY106-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:21:49 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:21:49 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <2636-42695CDD-786@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: W6YN Don Milbury 's message of Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:05:10 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=midnightblue; TextColor=white MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2005 20:21:51.0176 (UTC) FILETIME=[EADA7480:01C54778] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.75 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: starship_2001@msn.com (Norbert 26) From: starship_2001@msn.com Subject: NRSC Approves IBOC standard X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 04-16-2005 NRSC APPROVES DIGITAL RADIO STANDARD The National Radio Systems Committee has approved an IBOC digital radio broadcasting standard for the United States. http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=7005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Fri Apr 22 13:22:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54067 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2005 20:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2005 20:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2005 20:22:35 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBGUZJBANSY2EA for (sender ); Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:22:25 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLEMl88gRpa3jiGnSl3+x/R4= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KQ8F796D; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:21:29 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:21:01 -0700 Message-ID: <20050422.132102.1560.6.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,8,12,14,18,21-32767 X-ContentStamp: 6:3:874439877 X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Ibiquity Digital Corp wins "cool" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LAS VEGAS Radio World newspaper today announced the winners of radio=92s most prestigious technology honor, the =93Cool Stuff=94 Award.=20 The award means a product was selected by a panel of engineers and technical experts as notable for its design, features, cost efficiency and performance in serving radio users. It also means the product caused them to stop in the aisles and say, "Oh, cool!"=20 The award judging panel also singled out two groups of companies for their roles in advancing new technologies.=20 National Public Radio, Harris, Kenwood, Broadcast Electronics and Ibiquity Digital Corp. received =93Cool Stuff=94 recognition for innovation in the development of multicasting, the use of radio=92s existing bandwidth for multiple audio program streams.=20 Telos/Omnia/Fraunhofer, Neural Audio and SRS Labs and their respective development partners were honored for advocacy of radio surround sound and for their demonstrations of how U.S. radio might implement it.=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Apr 22 13:26:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38022 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2005 20:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2005 20:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2005 20:26:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:26:26 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by BAY106-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:26:24 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:26:24 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <2639-42695DF0-356@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: starship_2001@msn.com's message of Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:21:49 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2005 20:26:26.0094 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EB79CE0:01C54779] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: starship_2001@msn.com (Norbert 26) From: starship_2001@msn.com Subject: Citadel to speed up IBOC conversions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 04-18-2005 CITADEL JOINS MAJOR BROADCAST GROUPS IN ACCELERATED HD RADIO CONVERSION Citadel Broadcasting, the 6th largest radio group by station count, will join the coalition of broadcasters that recently announced accelerated plans to convert stations to digital HD Radio. http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=7010 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 23 01:29:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34506 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2005 08:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2005 08:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2005 08:29:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2005 08:29:05 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.221] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2005 08:29:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 08:29:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 610 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.77.2 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Any other oldies that are especially bad recordings? "Every Beat of My Heart" by Gladys Knight & The Pips (their first hit, from 1961). I don't know if it's like this on the original recording, but every copy of it I've found is distorted and has very obtrusive noise gating, to such an extent that the treble disappears completely during all of the "quieter" moments during the song. Also, "There's a Kind of Hush" by Herman's Hermits is not only mono, but also surprisingly low-fidelity for a late '60s recording. It's not really a bad-sounding recording.... just not as good as it should be. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 23 02:15:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41414 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2005 09:15:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2005 09:15:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2005 09:15:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2005 09:15:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2005 09:15:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 09:15:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2154 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.77.2 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Gloating about my bargain... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I posted earlier this month: > Here's what I just scored on eBay: a CRL Stereo Preparation > Processor and CRL AM Stereo Matrix Processor, for $99.00! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5763494646 > > Now, if only I could find a C-Quam exciter and modulation monitor > pair for $99.00, then I'd be ready to help a station upgrade to > AM Stereo very inexpensively. :-) The CRL's finally arrived yesterday.... I haven't tried the SPP-800 yet, but I hooked up the SMP-900 AM Stereo Matrix Processor and it sounds excellent! The one I have was recapped in 1992 and has CRL's NRSC pre-emphasis/filter board added in, with jumper settings for 9.5 and 11 kHz audio bandwidth, but I also found an undocumented jumper setting for true FM-quality 16 kHz audio. :-) Unlike the newer SMP-950, this unit seems to have just the right balance between limiting and clipping, right out of the box. Even with the controls maxed out, it doesn't exhibit audible clipping distortion. And the SMP-900 doesn't really need any pre-processing, either; as long as watch your input levels (either by a ReplayGain- normalized music collection, or by a board op who knows how to ride the gain), it delivers consistent loudness, and its built-in compressor is more than capable of keeping peak transients from hitting the limiter too hard; even Disco doesn't make it "pump". I'd love to hear what this CRL sounds like with an Ariane in front of it... I'm sure it won't hang tough with an Optimod 9100, but I bet it blow the doors off the Ariane + Inovonics 222 combo that we were discussing here earlier. p.s. In case you're wondering about that jumper setting for 16 kHz audio bandwidth, here it is... the SMP-900 has two sets of 3 jumpers each on its NRSC board (one set each for L+R and L-R, respectively). 9.5 kHz audio (NRSC spec) is provided by setting all the jumpers to the left position, while setting them all to the right gives you 11 kHz audio. But if you want 16 kHz audio, set the top and bottom jumpers in each group to the right, and the middle jumpers to the left. Just don't do it when the FCC is in town! :-) From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Apr 23 02:17:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41596 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2005 09:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2005 09:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2005 09:17:30 -0000 Received: from in4web.com (unverified [127.0.0.1]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 05:21:11 -0400 Message-ID: X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 1, 0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 05:21:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Any other oldies that are especially bad recordings? The Moody Blues "Go Now".... talk about over modulation! Also, "Loco Motion" by little Eva, "The Big Hurt" by Timi Yuro ..... And , of course, any record that was pressed on RCA's "Dyna-Flex" material. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From droland66@yahoo.com Sat Apr 23 12:55:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97541 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2005 19:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2005 19:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2005 19:55:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2005 19:53:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2005 19:53:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:53:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 184 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.128.238.135 From: "coaxguy99" Subject: excellent sounding CD -- Marillion "Misplaced Childhood" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 Look this one up if you haven't heard of it. Even though the CD was mastered in the mid '80's, it is still, IMHO, has maybe the best overall sound quality I've ever heard. coaxguy From badeditpro@cox.net Sat Apr 23 23:11:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41331 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2005 06:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2005 06:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2005 06:11:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2005 06:11:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2005 06:11:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 06:11:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 262 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: Gloating about my bargain... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: Kevin, Stick that 800 in front of that matrix processor and set it up using the procedure I showed you, crank it up to around 9 dB of G/R and sit back and get ready to smile! :-) JC From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Sun Apr 24 11:52:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1065 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2005 18:52:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2005 18:52:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO omc2-s37.bay6.hotmail.com) (65.54.249.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2005 18:52:26 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.51.50]) by omc2-s37.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:52:25 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:52:25 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.201 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:52:25 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:52:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2005 18:52:25.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[C15C9390:01C548FE] Return-Path: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.249.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: CFCO 630 is mono today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Hi All - I was out driving around this afternoon and noticed CFCO 630 was mono. Hopefully, this is temporary but I did send them an email anyway (just in case). I'll keep everyone informed on what happens. Paul Crane Jackson, MI _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Sun Apr 24 13:12:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49939 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2005 20:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2005 20:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.51.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2005 20:12:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:12:18 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.202 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:12:17 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:12:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2005 20:12:18.0084 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA170E40:01C54909] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.51.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: RE: {AMSF} CFCO 630 is mono today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Just heard back and they suspect it's due to the weather. The station engineer is going to be contacted to look into the problem. Paul Crane Jackson, MI >From: "Paul Crane" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} CFCO 630 is mono today >Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:52:25 -0400 > > >Hi All - > >I was out driving around this afternoon and noticed CFCO 630 was mono. >Hopefully, this is temporary but I did send them an email anyway (just in >case). I'll keep everyone informed on what happens. > >Paul Crane >Jackson, MI > >_________________________________________________________________ >Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® >Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From droland66@yahoo.com Sun Apr 24 14:25:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25221 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2005 21:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2005 21:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2005 21:25:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2005 21:25:29 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.222] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2005 21:25:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 21:25:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1116 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.128.238.135 From: "coaxguy99" Subject: what would AM stereo sound like X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 if it were broadcast with a frequency response of the full 20kHz audio range and at FM frequencies? would this not be more efficient use of spectrum than FM modulation at the current 15 kHz? i realize the AM signal would be more suseptible to noise, but with a clean signal, would it sound as good as an audiophile quality CD (20-bit dithered mastering)? also, while i am quite familiar with the Nyquist sampling rule of 2 samples per desired maximum frequency, thus the 44.1 kHz sampling of CD's to barely exceed 20 kHz. is anyone familiar of any method that could compress this requirement in the analog world? what i am trying to get at is if there is any possible way to get 15 kHz of audio information compressed into a 7 KHz AM signal using some type of fancy analog algorithm that would be able to be decoded on special receivers (digital processing) while remaining compatible with standard radios? the narrow band of current AM broadcasts make music sound horrible. i remember back in the 70's when some AM music stations (15 kHz i think?) sounded very good on a really good receiver. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sun Apr 24 15:29:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51957 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2005 22:29:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2005 22:29:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.57) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2005 22:29:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n28.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2005 22:29:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2005 22:29:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:29:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 146 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.172.198.66 From: "Douglas" Subject: Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee "Celebrate" by Three Dog Night sounds inferior to nearly all of their other hits. Unfortunate, since that's one of my favorite songs of theirs. From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Sun Apr 24 15:31:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9404 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2005 22:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2005 22:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2005 22:31:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2005 22:31:02 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.224] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2005 22:31:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:31:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 503 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.172.198.66 From: "Douglas" Subject: IBOC AM and Sporting Events X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee An interesting post on Radio-Info's Dallas board: http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=412099&Board=dallas Because of an 8 second delay when using IBOC, stations covering sporting events will have to revert to analog during those events. You think HD radio owners are going to be happy to hear the fidelity go WAY south during those times??? That means going from digital to 4.5 kHz analog for the Big Event a lot of listeners tune in for. Another reason to keep 10 kHz analog ALL the time. From badeditpro@cox.net Sun Apr 24 19:14:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5606 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2005 02:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2005 02:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.58) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2005 02:14:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2005 02:14:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2005 02:14:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 02:14:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 9357 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: what would AM stereo sound like X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions You pose some interesting questions here: > if it were broadcast with a frequency response of the full 20kHz audio=20 > range and at FM frequencies? would this not be more efficient use of=20 > spectrum than FM modulation at the current 15 kHz? Yes, you could use AM stereo to broadcast a frequency range up to 20,000 cycles per second an the FM band and it would probably sound very good! If you listen to FM on a stereo receiver, you are already hearing what AM would sound like with a wide band of frequencies because the L-R information for FM stereo is broadcast using an AM carrier. It is a modulation scheme called double sideband amplitude modulation.=20=20 The carrier itself is removed from the AM sidebands and your radio provides it by multiplying the 19 kHz pilot tone that FM stereo stations broadcast along with the FM baseband audio. That is one of the reasons that FM is limited to 15,000 cycles per second of frequency response. If audio frequencies are allowed to mix with the pilot tone, it causes all kinds of trouble when your radio tries to decode the stereo matrix.=20=20 There is one draw back to using AM in place of FM. FM puts out a usable signal for about twice the distance from the transmitter than AM does on the same frequency. Tune around and find an FM station that is just far enough away from you to barely be heard, now switch the radio into mono mode and you'll probably get a very clean sounding signal. Now, switch it back into stereo and you'll hear a huge increase in noise because the DSB AM carrier that carries the stereo information does not have the noise masking effect that FM does. As a matter of fact, I have been involved with a couple of low power commercial FM's that broadcast in mono simply because it extends the usable range of the signal. Non stereo =3D no AM noise! > also, while i am quite familiar with the Nyquist sampling=20 > rule of 2 samples per desired maximum frequency, thus the 44.1 kHz=20 > sampling of CD's to barely exceed 20 kHz. is anyone familiar of any=20 > method that could compress this requirement in the analog world? what=20 > i am trying to get at is if there is any possible way to get 15 kHz of=20 > audio information compressed into a 7 KHz AM signal using some type of=20 > fancy analog algorithm that would be able to be decoded on special=20 > receivers (digital processing) while remaining compatible with=20 > standard radios?=20=20 I am just a little confused here because you seem to be trying to apply Nyquist's Theory to analog audio=85 Digital audio is also known as Pulse Code Modulation (PCM) where each pulse represents a `sample' of an analog waveform. Amplitude and Frequency modulation's output represents a product of the carrier tone (790 kHz or 106.1 MHz for example) and a band of audio frequencies having been mixed in such a way that the envelope of the audio has been imprinted on the carrier wave. You radio detects this envelope and turns it back into the original audio signal that was fed to the transmitter. There is no `coding' in the process.=20=20 AM and FM is limited in frequency response by filtering the input audio. If there were no filters, both AM and FM could conceivably pass frequencies well above 20 kHz depending on the limitations imposed only by the circuitry itself! Filtering is necessary in FM to make sure that audio does not interfere with the 19 kHz stereo pilot and for AM, a 10 KHz filter is used to insure that the AM sidebands will not spill out of the allocated bandwidth for a given channel. Essentially, AM needs a channel that is twice as wide as the bandwidth of audio you desire to transmit because the transmitter produces upper and lower sidebands that corr>espond to the modulating audio envelope on either side of the carrier. For currant AM, that is 20 Khz, 10 Khz on either side of the carrier frequency. Example: WLW is assigned 700 KHz RF and uses the bandwidth from 690 to 710, equaling 20 kHz of real estate on the AM band=85 If you were an equal distance from WLW and WOR in New York, which is assigned to 710 kHz, you could hear both stations without too much noticeable interference because the audio is not allowed to go past the carrier frequency of either station.=20=20 The Nyquist Theory does help to understand the relationship between RF carriers and audio modulation, though. Any modulation scheme requires that the carrier be several times higher in frequency than the highest audio frequency you want to transmit and the bigger the difference the better=85 There is no way to `cram' more audio information into an analog channel! There is a technique called frequency multiplication that a company called Comrex uses to give a more life like sound to a standard phone line for broadcasting sports events and such when a phone line is all that's available to the broadcaster. It works by doubling the input frequency so you'll get more low end from a phone line which makes it sound more natural than the 300 to 3000 cycles that a normal phone line can carry. The result is that the decoded signal has frequencies down to 150 Herts in it and that is where a lot of the human voice's energy is. You lose most of the top end in the process but it still sounds better to listen to for a long period of time. This system was expended where you could use two or three phone lines at a time and the same frequency multiplication technique was used on all of the lines simultaneously to give you an audio bandwidth of 15o to around 6000 cycles per second which is quite sufficient for good voice communications. It is conceivable to use the same technique for AM to extend the high end out to 20,000 Hz but I've never heard of anyone who has tried it. Of course, this modulation technique would be completely incompatible with existing radios. A Comrex encoded channel sounds very much like a ham radio that is off frequency when receiving a single side band transmition! It is almost unintelligible without a decoder on the receiving end=85. > the narrow band of current AM broadcasts make music=20 > sound horrible. i remember back in the 70's when some AM music=20 > stations (15 kHz i think?) sounded very good on a really good receiver. The problem is your radio=85. don't blame the broadcaster! The modern NRSC I standard calls for a maximum audio bandwidth of 10 kHz for AM audio. Before that, there was a de-facto 12.5 kHz standard that many AM stations followed but there was no force of law to it and many stations did not limit ther audio bandwidth at all. This caused interference and the reciver manufactures answer to the problem was to ruduce the audio bandwidth of their radio using very harsh filtering. Many radio from the 70's could only paas as little as 3 Khz of audio! The broadcasters of the day responded to this by using EQ to boost the high end of their output audio in hopes that they could "punch through" these filters somewhat and give their station's a brighter sound. Unfortunately, the more high end energy that you cram into an AM signal, the more likely it is that you will "splatter" out of your assigned channel and interfere with your neighbors on the band.=20=20 It was truly a vicious cycle and the NRSC I (10 kHz band limiting) and NRSC II (75 micro-second pre-emphasis curve) were supposed to put a stop to all the nonsense. The problem is that although station's were required, by force of law, to install new equipment to meet the standard, manufacturers were not required to build corresponding radios to take full advantage of it. Most of the radios we have in this country are made in Japan and China. The AM band is allocated in 5 kHz steps in that part of the world so a radio capable of receiving 10 kHz of audio is almost useless there. When these radios are imported to the US, the manufacturers use the same circuitry and filtering that they would use for a 5 kHz audio bandwidth. The only modification is in the stepping of channels which is changed to 10 kHz for this country on a digitally tuned radio. Many of us who were in the industry lobbies unsuccessfully for a requirement that there should be NRSC parody in newer radio but we were largely unsucceful.=20 Some companies did step up to the plat, though, and the number of high quality AM radio out there is much higher than it was ten years ago=85=20=20 The NRSC Standard for AM sounds very good on most music. Yes, you will notice the loss of the high frequencies when you do an A/B type comparison but the human ear soon gets used to it if you listen for an extended period of time. The use of targeted audio processing can really help to extend the `feel' of NRSC audio so you can hardly even tell that you are hearing a ten kHx limited bandwidth. If all was as it should be, the prevailing notion that AM is inherently bad sounding would be non-existent.=20=20 Many who read this forum would agree with me when I say7 that AM Stereo is more natural sounding than FM. It has a more open, lifelike quality than FM because of the low amount of high end limiting that is necessary for FM radio to be modulated with the sharp pre-emphasis curve that the FM uses. Less processing means cleaner, clearer audio and less listener fatigue. Go to the `files' section of this site and download some of the AM Stereo audio samples. You'll soon hear what we are talking about! :) JC From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sun Apr 24 19:59:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64710 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2005 02:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2005 02:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2005 02:59:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2005 02:59:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2005 02:59:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 02:59:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 125 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.175.211 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: IBOC AM and Sporting Events X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I concur. FPS, why are people paying attention to Cheap Channel??? > > Another reason to keep 10 kHz analog ALL the time. From droland66@yahoo.com Sun Apr 24 21:03:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75924 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2005 04:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2005 04:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2005 04:03:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2005 04:03:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2005 04:03:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 04:03:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 10984 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.128.238.135 From: "coaxguy99" Subject: Re: what would AM stereo sound like X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 refering to my previous message and corresponding message, I have=20 already downloaded the AM stereo files and agree that the quality is=20 superb. is anyone aware of if there are any tapes in stereo of a=20 station that was called Real Jazz 740 that used to broadcast in AM=20 Stereo out of Cincinnati? i never had the opportunity to hear it in=20 stereo but did listen to it a few years before they changed formats=20 to a Catholic content on an old vacuum tube GE radio in mono and i=20 have never before or since hear such a wonderful sound! this GE=20 radio I am refering to is in a plastic housing and only has a single=20 full range speaker in it but it has much better AM circuitry than FM=20 and much have an AM frequency response up close to 10 kHz or beyond.=20=20 the trebble (and bass and midrange) was excellent on 740! i would=20 love to get some high quality copies of AM stereo of 740 made from a=20 Fanfare or some other excellent receiver. i could be wrong but i=20 believe these guys were still doing AM stereo up until the late 90's,=20 possibly even up until the format change in 2001. again, does anyone=20 here know of that station and if there are any tapes floating about? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: >=20 > You pose some interesting questions here: >=20 > > if it were broadcast with a frequency response of the full 20kHz=20 audio=20 > > range and at FM frequencies? would this not be more efficient=20 use of=20 > > spectrum than FM modulation at the current 15 kHz? >=20 > Yes, you could use AM stereo to broadcast a frequency range up to > 20,000 cycles per second an the FM band and it would probably sound > very good! If you listen to FM on a stereo receiver, you are=20 already > hearing what AM would sound like with a wide band of frequencies > because the L-R information for FM stereo is broadcast using an AM > carrier. It is a modulation scheme called double sideband amplitude > modulation.=20=20 >=20 > The carrier itself is removed from the AM sidebands and your radio > provides it by multiplying the 19 kHz pilot tone that FM stereo > stations broadcast along with the FM baseband audio. That is one of > the reasons that FM is limited to 15,000 cycles per second of > frequency response. If audio frequencies are allowed to mix with=20 the > pilot tone, it causes all kinds of trouble when your radio tries to > decode the stereo matrix.=20=20 >=20 > There is one draw back to using AM in place of FM. FM puts out a > usable signal for about twice the distance from the transmitter than > AM does on the same frequency. Tune around and find an FM station > that is just far enough away from you to barely be heard, now switch > the radio into mono mode and you'll probably get a very clean=20 sounding > signal. Now, switch it back into stereo and you'll hear a huge > increase in noise because the DSB AM carrier that carries the stereo > information does not have the noise masking effect that FM does.=20=20 As a > matter of fact, I have been involved with a couple of low power > commercial FM's that broadcast in mono simply because it extends the > usable range of the signal. Non stereo =3D no AM noise! >=20 > > also, while i am quite familiar with the Nyquist sampling=20 > > rule of 2 samples per desired maximum frequency, thus the 44.1=20 kHz=20 > > sampling of CD's to barely exceed 20 kHz. is anyone familiar of=20 any=20 > > method that could compress this requirement in the analog world?=20=20 what=20 > > i am trying to get at is if there is any possible way to get 15=20 kHz of=20 > > audio information compressed into a 7 KHz AM signal using some=20 type of=20 > > fancy analog algorithm that would be able to be decoded on=20 special=20 > > receivers (digital processing) while remaining compatible with=20 > > standard radios?=20=20 >=20 > I am just a little confused here because you seem to be trying to > apply Nyquist's Theory to analog audio=85 Digital audio is also known > as Pulse Code Modulation (PCM) where each pulse represents a=20 `sample' > of an analog waveform. Amplitude and Frequency modulation's output > represents a product of the carrier tone (790 kHz or 106.1 MHz for > example) and a band of audio frequencies having been mixed in such a > way that the envelope of the audio has been imprinted on the carrier > wave. You radio detects this envelope and turns it back into the > original audio signal that was fed to the transmitter. There is no > `coding' in the process.=20=20 >=20 > AM and FM is limited in frequency response by filtering the input > audio. If there were no filters, both AM and FM could conceivably > pass frequencies well above 20 kHz depending on the limitations > imposed only by the circuitry itself! Filtering is necessary in FM=20 to > make sure that audio does not interfere with the 19 kHz stereo pilot > and for AM, a 10 KHz filter is used to insure that the AM sidebands > will not spill out of the allocated bandwidth for a given channel. > Essentially, AM needs a channel that is twice as wide as the=20 bandwidth > of audio you desire to transmit because the transmitter produces=20 upper > and lower sidebands that corr>espond to the modulating audio=20 envelope > on either side of the carrier. For currant AM, that is 20 Khz, 10=20 Khz > on either side of the carrier frequency. Example: WLW is assigned=20 700 > KHz RF and uses the bandwidth from 690 to 710, equaling 20 kHz of=20 real > estate on the AM band=85 If you were an equal distance from WLW and=20 WOR > in New York, which is assigned to 710 kHz, you could hear both > stations without too much noticeable interference because the audio=20 is > not allowed to go past the carrier frequency of either station.=20=20 >=20 > The Nyquist Theory does help to understand the relationship between=20 RF > carriers and audio modulation, though. Any modulation scheme=20 requires > that the carrier be several times higher in frequency than the=20 highest > audio frequency you want to transmit and the bigger the difference=20 the > better=85 >=20 > There is no way to `cram' more audio information into an analog > channel! There is a technique called frequency multiplication that=20 a > company called Comrex uses to give a more life like sound to a > standard phone line for broadcasting sports events and such when a > phone line is all that's available to the broadcaster. It works by > doubling the input frequency so you'll get more low end from a phone > line which makes it sound more natural than the 300 to 3000 cycles > that a normal phone line can carry. The result is that the decoded > signal has frequencies down to 150 Herts in it and that is where a=20 lot > of the human voice's energy is. You lose most of the top end in the > process but it still sounds better to listen to for a long period of > time. This system was expended where you could use two or three=20 phone > lines at a time and the same frequency multiplication technique was > used on all of the lines simultaneously to give you an audio=20 bandwidth > of 15o to around 6000 cycles per second which is quite sufficient=20 for > good voice communications. >=20 > It is conceivable to use the same technique for AM to extend the=20 high > end out to 20,000 Hz but I've never heard of anyone who has tried=20 it. > Of course, this modulation technique would be completely=20 incompatible > with existing radios. A Comrex encoded channel sounds very much=20 like > a ham radio that is off frequency when receiving a single side band > transmition! It is almost unintelligible without a decoder on the > receiving end=85. >=20 > > the narrow band of current AM broadcasts make music=20 > > sound horrible. i remember back in the 70's when some AM music=20 > > stations (15 kHz i think?) sounded very good on a really good=20 receiver. >=20 > The problem is your radio=85. don't blame the broadcaster! The modern > NRSC I standard calls for a maximum audio bandwidth of 10 kHz for AM > audio. Before that, there was a de-facto 12.5 kHz standard that=20 many > AM stations followed but there was no force of law to it and many > stations did not limit ther audio bandwidth at all. This caused > interference and the reciver manufactures answer to the problem was=20 to > ruduce the audio bandwidth of their radio using very harsh=20 filtering. > Many radio from the 70's could only paas as little as 3 Khz of=20 audio! > The broadcasters of the day responded to this by using EQ to boost > the high end of their output audio in hopes that they could "punch > through" these filters somewhat and give their station's a brighter > sound. Unfortunately, the more high end energy that you cram into=20 an > AM signal, the more likely it is that you will "splatter" out of=20 your > assigned channel and interfere with your neighbors on the band.=20=20 >=20 > It was truly a vicious cycle and the NRSC I (10 kHz band limiting)=20 and > NRSC II (75 micro-second pre-emphasis curve) were supposed to put a > stop to all the nonsense. The problem is that although station's=20 were > required, by force of law, to install new equipment to meet the > standard, manufacturers were not required to build corresponding > radios to take full advantage of it. Most of the radios we have in > this country are made in Japan and China. The AM band is allocated=20 in > 5 kHz steps in that part of the world so a radio capable of=20 receiving > 10 kHz of audio is almost useless there. When these radios are > imported to the US, the manufacturers use the same circuitry and > filtering that they would use for a 5 kHz audio bandwidth. The only > modification is in the stepping of channels which is changed to 10=20 kHz > for this country on a digitally tuned radio. Many of us who were in > the industry lobbies unsuccessfully for a requirement that there > should be NRSC parody in newer radio but we were largely=20 unsucceful.=20 > Some companies did step up to the plat, though, and the number of > high quality AM radio out there is much higher than it was ten years > ago=85=20=20 >=20 > The NRSC Standard for AM sounds very good on most music. Yes, you=20 will > notice the loss of the high frequencies when you do an A/B type > comparison but the human ear soon gets used to it if you listen for=20 an > extended period of time. The use of targeted audio processing can > really help to extend the `feel' of NRSC audio so you can hardly=20 even > tell that you are hearing a ten kHx limited bandwidth. If all was=20 as > it should be, the prevailing notion that AM is inherently bad=20 sounding > would be non-existent.=20=20 >=20 > Many who read this forum would agree with me when I say7 that AM > Stereo is more natural sounding than FM. It has a more open,=20 lifelike > quality than FM because of the low amount of high end limiting that=20 is > necessary for FM radio to be modulated with the sharp pre-emphasis > curve that the FM uses. Less processing means cleaner, clearer=20 audio > and less listener fatigue. >=20 > Go to the `files' section of this site and download some of the AM > Stereo audio samples. You'll soon hear what we are talking about! >=20 > :) >=20 > JC From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 02:29:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89643 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2005 09:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2005 09:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2005 09:29:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2005 09:29:28 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.215] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2005 09:29:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:29:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1081 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.172.198.66 From: "Douglas" Subject: Re: IBOC AM and Sporting Events X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << You think HD radio owners are going to be happy to hear the fidelity go WAY south during those times??? That means going from digital to 4.5 kHz analog for the Big Event a lot of listeners tune in for. Another reason to keep 10 kHz analog ALL the time. >> A follow up to my earlier post above: I've exchanged e-mails with a couple of corporate heads of engineering, and both times their responses have included the phrase, "we must switch to digital or the AM band will die." Already, sports broadcasts--especially NFL--are moving to the FM band. If IBOC can't promise digital fidelity, then there may be a mass exodus of sports programming to FM (not talk, but games). I'm talking about pro sports. College athletics often have to pay to get their games onto stations, and they'll take whatever they can get. But pro sports broadcasts often enjoy bidding wars among radio stations. Pro franchise owners are NOT going to want their games to be known as the worst sounding programming on the AM band. IBOC: A funny way to keep the AM band from "dying." From mspatoray@sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 25 10:25:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspatoray@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54297 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2005 17:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2005 17:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2005 17:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.102?) (mspatoray@sbcglobal.net@68.74.208.228 with login) by smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2005 17:21:40 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:21:35 -0400 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.170.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Matt Patoray Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: That ------ng Denon! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178375692 X-Yahoo-Profile: mpatoray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This kind of thing should be expected, the company was sold off to a group of investors, it is not owned by Nippon Columbia anymore. Matt On 4/21/05 1:10 AM, "Tom" wrote: > > There was one part that was replaced they told me was the last one. > Maybe they should change the name to "Demon". > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > wrote: >> > Tom wrote: >> > This thing has that FM stereo/mono switching problem now >> > >> > I can't understand why it can't be fixed, unless the parts are no > longer >> > made. I would look for a leaky capacitor in the MPX circuit or in > the Power >> > supply. I wouldn't think this problem would be hard to track down at > all. >> > >> > Kevin in Tampa >> > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a > mathematical >> > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard > Kahn > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kya1260@lycos.com Mon Apr 25 15:51:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31166 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2005 22:51:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2005 22:51:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2005 22:51:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 980D31800205 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:51:21 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 25 Apr 2005 23:00:49 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 255DAC611C; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:51:46 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [68.125.55.118] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:51:46 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: stantheblink@charter.net, dennisdterry@yahoo.com, jmarx1890@coolgoose.com, sbk1230@aol.com, iamkiltboy@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:51:46 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050425225146.255DAC611C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC AM and Sporting Events X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Douglas < deepcoffee@yahoo.com > says: > Already, sports broadcasts--especially NFL--are moving to the FM=20 > band. If IBOC can't promise digital fidelity, then there may be=20 > a mass exodus of sports programming to FM (not talk, but games).=20=20 I don't know, Douglas...IBOC on FM has a 6 second delay on=20 analog-to-digital transmission, at least according to Tom Ray=20 in comments he gave back in November. If FM suffers in a way like AM would in sports purposes, as has been mentioned of late, maybe we should subscribe to XM or Sirius for sports...=20 :o) I was wondering about this "live" sports problem here on the forum months ago, as I myself like to watch Oakland A's games,=20 but enjoy listening to Bill King and Ken Korach on the radio portion.... I, like MANY A's fans I see at McAfee Coliseum, also have our headsets on to actually hear the ballgame while at the=20 ballpark... So in November, I posed the dilemma to Tom Ray, probably this=20 forum's strongest proponent of IBOC, and his comments are=20 given below... It sounds like a big to-do in order to make a "live" sports event work, but it's better than nuttin', I suppose. And as Tom says at the end, "life is going to start getting very interesting": --jay---------FORWARDED MESSAGE NEXT ------------- RE: {AMSF} A. M. IBOC Comments=20 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:02:56 -0500=20 Jay says: > Greetings, Tom... > There is still one bugaboo that worries me about IBOC: > as I mentioned Thanksgiving Weekend, there is - according to a=20 > San Francisco Bay Area engineer familiar with IBOC - an 8.3=20 > second delay for analog-to-digital transmission via IBOC... > Is that true, Tom? Hey Jay! Actually, the delay is 8.7 seconds for AM..... about 6 seconds for FM. This allows the analog signal to time sync=20 with the digital signal. Jay: > And if it IS true, how would you like to listen to a live=20 > baseball or other sports game on an IBOC-broadcast station,=20 > and have that kind of delay - especially if you are listening=20 > AT the site of the game? Stations doing this are advised to install a Part 15=20 transmitter at the game location to provide a non-delayed feed.=20=20 Consider this.....there are 25,000 people at the game, and let's=20 say 10,000 are listening (that's probably being generous).=20=20 You have 250,000 people driving around listening to the game.=20=20 You don't play to the 10,000 persons in the stands, you play to the larger audience. You could also un-sync the analog,=20 but the person with an IBOC radio in the car will get a very=20 abrupt blend which is out of sync by 8.7 seconds.=20=20 If they are in a fringe digital area, this would be extremely=20 annoying. Jay: > Or turning the TV set down to listen to the radio announcers=20 > instead, which is done by some (especially if you watch Fox=20 > Sports or CBS-TV for football games in SFO, since the TV=20 > Announcers are sub-par)? I don't consider this argument valid (we carry Rutgers sports).=20=20 The network takes the feed in on digital satellite which has not=20 only an up/down delay, but a digital coding delay. The network=20 then feeds it to the bird for distribution, which adds its own=20 up/down delay plus a coding delay. Your local TV station pulls=20 it down and sticks it into a digital STL, which has a coding delay. Or, you are watching on DirecTV, which adds=20 yet another up/down delay plus coding delay (the DirecTV feed=20 delay from real time is around 3 full seconds!).=20=20 No matter what you do with the radio signal, you will never be=20 in sync with the TV feed. This was a question that was asked to me by a station in St. Thomas I consult. They asked why=20 they heard the crack of the bat on the air before they saw it=20 on their DirecTV dish....the reason is all the up/down delays=20 on the TV feed. They were curious if they could use their=20 profanity delay to sync the two, but I told them to watch the game on the cable TV feed there....and the delay was=20 different than off the DirecTV dish or even directly off=20 the network feed on C-Band. There is going to be a learning curve with IBOC and=20 digital radio and television in general. Television has a=20 bigger issue with IFB feeds for reporters in the field=20 (for stations presently using off-air IFB feeds). But our jobs as Engineers is to find the way around=20 them.....not complain about them.=20=20 The times - they are a changin'.....and life is going to start getting very interesting. --TR Thomas R. Ray, III, CPBE Corporate Director of Engineering Buckley Broadcasting/WOR Radio Chairman, Society of Broadcast Engineers, Chapter 15 New York City 212-642-4462 phax: 212-921-4751 *************** END FORWARDED MESSAGE ******************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC AM and Sporting Events Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:29:26 -0000 >=20 >=20 > << You think HD radio owners are going to be happy to hear the fidelity g= o WAY > south during those times??? That means going from digital to 4.5=20 > kHz analog for the > Big Event a lot of listeners tune in for. Another reason to keep 10=20 > kHz analog ALL the > time. >> >=20 > A follow up to my earlier post above: I've exchanged e-mails with a coup= le of > corporate heads of engineering, and both times their responses have=20 > included the > phrase, "we must switch to digital or the AM band will die." >=20 > Already, sports broadcasts--especially NFL--are moving to the FM=20 > band. If IBOC > can't promise digital fidelity, then there may be a mass exodus of sports > programming to FM (not talk, but games). I'm talking about pro=20 > sports. College > athletics often have to pay to get their games onto stations, and=20 > they'll take whatever > they can get. But pro sports broadcasts often enjoy bidding wars among r= adio > stations. Pro franchise owners are NOT going to want their games=20 > to be known as the > worst sounding programming on the AM band. >=20 > IBOC: A funny way to keep the AM band from "dying." What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 16:31:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42278 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2005 23:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2005 23:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2005 23:31:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2005 23:31:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2005 23:31:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:31:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3468 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.85.5 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: what would AM stereo sound like X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > channel! There is a technique called frequency multiplication that > a company called Comrex uses to give a more life like sound to a > standard phone line for broadcasting sports events and such when a > phone line is all that's available to the broadcaster. It works by > doubling the input frequency so you'll get more low end from a > phone line which makes it sound more natural than the 300 to 3000 > cycles that a normal phone line can carry. The result is that the > decoded signal has frequencies down to 150 Herts in it and that is > where a lot of the human voice's energy is. A little sidebar on this.... in the late 1960s, Leonard Kahn patented a method by which the telephone system could extend its frequency response down to 150 Hz, without any fancy trickery, for richer- sounding voice audio. This plan lay dormant until the early 1990s, when AT&T introduced basically the same exact thing -- a bass and loudness boost on their telephone service which they called "TrueVoice". Accordingly, Kahn sued AT&T for ripping off his design, but I'm not sure how that lawsuit eventually turned out. I do recall when AT&T introduced "TrueVoice" they promoted it with TV commercials featuring Whitney Houston, and had a 1-800 number you could call to hear the difference on your regular telephone between standard phone- line audio and bass-boosted TrueVoice phone audio. Back when that was a current promo in 1993, one Macintosh user made use of his computer's audio capabilities to do a spectrum analysis of the "TrueVoice" audio versus standard telephone audio, and came up with these results: http://massis.lcs.mit.edu/archives/technical/truevoice.dsp.analysis And as for using various trickery to squeeze more than 10 kHz's worth of audio response into the standard +/- 1-0 kHz AM channel, it can be done without relying upon digital modulation and with full compatibility with existing analog receivers! We all know that AM Stereo gives us two channels of audio to use: 10 kHz's worth of amplitude-modulated audio (used for the L+R component), and 10 kHz's worth of phase-modulated audio (used for the L-R component). If you use frequency division to shift the 10 to 20 kHz audio down to the 0 to 10 kHz region and put it in the phase-modulated component, then in the receiver you can multiply that audio back up to 10 - 20 kHz and add it to the main amplitude-modulated channel audio (0 - 10 kHz), giving you full 20 kHz audio response -- although only in mono. This same method could be used to extend the response of a +/- 5 kHz band-limited AM channel back up to 10 kHz.... or you could use an intermediate AM channel bandwidth of +/- 7.5 kHz to get full FM-quality 15 kHz audio. Limited compatibility with AM Stereo could be provided in the +/-10 kHz bandwidth scheme, by using the 0 - 5 kHz phase-modulated audio to carry the traditional L-R stereo difference audio and the 5 - 10 kHz phase-modulated audio to carry the extended- response audio -- that would give you FM-quality 15 kHz audio with stereo separation up to 5 kHz (still enough to deliver a subjectively complete stereo audio image). A wide-bandwidth AM Stereo receiver might hear a strange "synthesized" effect due to the undecoded high-frequency extension audio being received in the L-R component, but surely that would be a lot less objectionable that the constant background hisssssss of a hybrid IBOC signal being received! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 16:38:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40485 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2005 23:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2005 23:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2005 23:38:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2005 23:38:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2005 23:38:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:38:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1151 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.85.5 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: IBOC AM and Sporting Events X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Because of an 8 second delay when using IBOC, stations covering > sporting events will have to revert to analog during those events. They don't have to revert to analog; they just have to disable the delay on the analog audio in order to allow people to listen to the "live" audio. That's what WOR does during sporting events -- they keep the IBOC active, but disable the analog delay, so that the analog audio is live, while the digital audio is still being broadcast with its unavoidable 8-1/2 second delay. So if you tuned in WOR's signal on an IBOC receiver duing one of those times, first you'd hear the live analog audio, and then when it begins to decode the digital audio, you'd hear the last 8-1/2 seconds of audio repeated. And then if the digital signal degrades and your IBOC receiver drops to analog, then 8-1/2 seconds of audio would be lost forever. Needless to say, if the receiver fluctuates back and forth between analog and digital modes, such as in a marginal-signal area, then this discontinuity in the audio would become very annoying -- sort of like listening to a bad web-stream which keeps re-buffering. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Apr 25 17:55:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7438 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2005 00:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2005 00:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 00:55:18 -0000 X-Node: 2 Received: from stodd (modem0204-pli-tnt-mpls1.cpinternet.com [64.61.217.204]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j3Q0tEe8018674 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:55:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003b01c549fb$4643e200$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:59:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: what would AM stereo sound like X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude A few corrections-- Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JC" There is one draw back to using AM in place of FM. FM puts out a usable signal for about twice the distance from the transmitter than AM does on the same frequency. Tune around and find an FM station that is just far enough away from you to barely be heard, now switch the radio into mono mode and you'll probably get a very clean sounding signal. Now, switch it back into stereo and you'll hear a huge increase in noise because the DSB AM carrier that carries the stereo information does not have the noise masking effect that FM does. As a matter of fact, I have been involved with a couple of low power commercial FM's that broadcast in mono simply because it extends the usable range of the signal. Non stereo = no AM noise! *Not quite true- the subcarrier may be AM at the stereo generator, but once it hits the exciter it's as FM as the rest of the signal. The extra noise is because of the extra bandwidth needed to transmit the signal. AM and FM is limited in frequency response by filtering the input audio. If there were no filters, both AM and FM could conceivably pass frequencies well above 20 kHz depending on the limitations imposed only by the circuitry itself! Filtering is necessary in FM to make sure that audio does not interfere with the 19 kHz stereo pilot and for AM, a 10 KHz filter is used to insure that the AM sidebands will not spill out of the allocated bandwidth for a given channel. Essentially, AM needs a channel that is twice as wide as the bandwidth of audio you desire to transmit because the transmitter produces upper and lower sidebands that corr>espond to the modulating audio envelope on either side of the carrier. For currant AM, that is 20 Khz, 10 Khz on either side of the carrier frequency. Example: WLW is assigned 700 KHz RF and uses the bandwidth from 690 to 710, equaling 20 kHz of real estate on the AM band. If you were an equal distance from WLW and WOR in New York, which is assigned to 710 kHz, you could hear both stations without too much noticeable interference because the audio is not allowed to go past the carrier frequency of either station. *Actually there would be a great deal of interference as the WLW sidebands from 5-10kHz would splatter onto WOR's sidebands from 0-5kHz. The FCC is supposed to (in theory, at least) take first adjacent channel interference into account when assigning stations to the band. There is no way to `cram' more audio information into an analog channel! There is a technique called frequency multiplication that a company called Comrex uses to give a more life like sound to a standard phone line for broadcasting sports events and such when a phone line is all that's available to the broadcaster. It works by doubling the input frequency so you'll get more low end from a phone line which makes it sound more natural than the 300 to 3000 cycles that a normal phone line can carry. The result is that the decoded signal has frequencies down to 150 Herts in it and that is where a lot of the human voice's energy is. You lose most of the top end in the process but it still sounds better to listen to for a long period of time. This system was expended where you could use two or three phone lines at a time and the same frequency multiplication technique was used on all of the lines simultaneously to give you an audio bandwidth of 15o to around 6000 cycles per second which is quite sufficient for good voice communications. *What your're describing is frequency shifting, not multiplication, Of course, this modulation technique would be completely incompatible with existing radios. A Comrex encoded channel sounds very much like a ham radio that is off frequency when receiving a single side band transmition! It is almost unintelligible without a decoder on the receiving end.. *That's actually close to how it was done. Everything was shifted up 150Hz using a ring modulator like an SSB rig, and then shifted down at the receiving end. Made such a huge improvement on the bottom end that you couldn't tell the audio now cut off at 2850 on the top end for a single line unit. Most of the radios we have in this country are made in Japan and China. The AM band is allocated in 5 kHz steps in that part of the world so a radio capable of receiving 10 kHz of audio is almost useless there. When these radios are imported to the US, the manufacturers use the same circuitry and filtering that they would use for a 5 kHz audio bandwidth. The only modification is in the stepping of channels which is changed to 10 kHz for this country on a digitally tuned radio. Actually it's 9kHz steps, so theoretically the filters shouldn't be all that much narrower. I think some corporate types in the US ordered much narrower filtering. From badeditpro@cox.net Mon Apr 25 19:07:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88205 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2005 02:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2005 02:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.58) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 02:07:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2005 02:07:37 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.221] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2005 02:07:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 02:07:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003b01c549fb$4643e200$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1018 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: what would AM stereo sound like/IBOC AT NIGHT? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > A few corrections-- >=20 > Scott Todd TThanks! I was generalization quite a bit about MPX FM to make a point. As far as the 5 kHz spacing in Japan, I read that somewhere a long time ago and I must have gotten some bad info. If they are using 9 kHz spacing in that part of the world, then there is really no excuse for the harsh filtering is there? And=85 I know there would be quite a bit of interference with my WLW/WOR example but you would still be able to understand what you were hearing on which ever station you were tuned to because the audio sidebands of the other would not effect the carrier... I called it multiplication but I was thinking shifting=85 Sorry.=20 Anyhow, it's an interesting idea for AM, is it not! Someone told me today that iBiquity was telling people at the NAB convention that the moratorium on night time operation for AM either has or is going to be lifted very soon=85 Anybody else hearing this? : ) JC From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 19:54:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9288 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2005 02:54:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2005 02:54:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 02:54:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n31.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2005 02:54:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2005 02:54:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 02:54:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050425225146.255DAC611C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2786 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.172.198.66 From: "Douglas" Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC AM and Sporting Events X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355 X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee << I don't know, Douglas...IBOC on FM has a 6 second delay on analog-to-digital transmission, at least according to Tom Ray in comments he gave back in November. If FM suffers in a way like AM would in sports purposes, as has been mentioned of late, maybe we should subscribe to XM or Sirius for sports... >> Today I was talking to an engineer who has contracted remote broadcasts for XM, and he says XM's delay is around 15 seconds. That's how long it took his signal to come back around to him live at his event through his XM receiver. But maybe delays vary from event to event, I don't know. Like AM IBOC, FM IBOC may also have a delay, but at least the analog FM signal wouldn't be THAT much of a downgrade in audio quality if listeners were forced to listen to an un-delayed analog signal. You really could just turn off the IBOC on an FM station during ball games. Doing that with an AM station during the IBOC era will probably irritate a lot of people. I've gotten so used to Cowboys games in FM stereo that I can't stand listening the narrow bandwidth feed of Longhorn football games on their AM affiliate here in Dallas. I listen to the radio play-by-play for Cowboys, and the TV set for Longhorns games. Now... if WBAP carried the Longhorn games... I'd be in business! Tom Ray obviously knows his way around the main delay issues for sporting events: I've been with the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network since 1992, and delay has ALWAYS been an issue for us. We choose to synch our broadcast with the local terrestrial signal--and we've gotten pretty darned good at it over the years. But we know that cable, HDTV and DirectTV viewers, etc., will be off a bit. For football games, the only time the accuracy of the synch is observable is when the referee announces a penalty. So we're never in synch until the first penalty... : ) Our stereo Game Day broadcasts are made possible by a company called MidCom--a pioneer (if not THE pioneer) in stereo sports broadcasts (I'll have to post some good play-by-play samples for you guys... with lots of juicy grunts and shoulder pad hits). When they started for us in 1989, they had to build their own parabolic microphones, because they couldn't find anyone who sold them! Ha! But I digress... One of MidCom's guys passed some research along to me once. Listeners were polled and said they didn't care if there was a bit of delay on a broadcast, BUT they hate when radio calls arrive BEFORE the visuals on their television sets. I can certainly understand THAT. However, IBOC's 8 second delay may cross a line with listeners. After all, if the length of a delay gets the least bit irritating to them, all they have to do is click the "off" button and turn the TV volume back up. From mark_608@hotmail.com Tue Apr 26 09:09:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70049 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2005 16:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2005 16:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.175.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 16:09:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:09:08 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.175.202 by by104fd.bay104.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:09:08 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:09:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2005 16:09:08.0883 (UTC) FILETIME=[47132630:01C54A7A] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.175.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Mark Sundquist" Subject: RE: {AMSF} CFCO 630 is mono today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 They have told me this in the past as well when I called or emailed. I doubt this is at all weather related. By last night all of the snow and rain had moved out of the area and CFCO was still in mono... Mark Warren,MI >From: "Paul Crane" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: {AMSF} CFCO 630 is mono today >Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:12:17 -0400 > > >Just heard back and they suspect it's due to the weather. The station >engineer is going to be contacted to look into the problem. > >Paul Crane >Jackson, MI > > >From: "Paul Crane" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: {AMSF} CFCO 630 is mono today > >Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:52:25 -0400 > > > > > >Hi All - > > > >I was out driving around this afternoon and noticed CFCO 630 was mono. > >Hopefully, this is temporary but I did send them an email anyway (just in > >case). I'll keep everyone informed on what happens. > > > >Paul Crane > >Jackson, MI > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® > >Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Apr 26 10:21:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40207 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2005 17:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2005 17:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 17:21:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n32.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2005 17:21:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2005 17:21:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:21:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 721 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.75.227.85 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CFCO 630 is mono today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Isn't it funny how AM Stereo stations routinely "go mono" for days on end because of maintenance issues, etc, but an FM station never "goes mono" for days on end because of maintenance issues?? This kind of rationale irks me. I don't mean this in a way to criticize the good folks that actually 'keep the pilots lit', many thanks to the few that do... I just wish there was more money for AM Stereo stations to have backup exciters, etc, so that when one went on the fritz continuous operation could occur. --tony --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Sundquist" wrote: > They have told me this in the past as well when I called or emailed. I doubt > this is at all weather related. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 10:35:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65315 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2005 17:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2005 17:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14221.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 17:35:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 46972 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2005 17:33:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050426173340.46970.qmail@web14221.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web14221.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:33:40 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:33:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 66.163.171.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John P." Subject: CFCO Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I was able to convince the CFCO engineer that even though they are back on the main transmitter after power failures with Sunday's snowstorm, that they are in mono. After checking, he verified that they are on the mono exciter but will be switching back into AM stereo! Whew. Still great music selection, but even better in stereo. So to my Michigan friends, make sure you thank him for putting CFCO back into stereo! 73's __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Apr 26 11:22:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34608 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2005 18:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2005 18:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.51.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 18:22:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:22:53 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.200 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:22:53 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050426173340.46970.qmail@web14221.mail.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 14:22:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2005 18:22:53.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[F63D8170:01C54A8C] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.51.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: RE: {AMSF} CFCO Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane They were still mono this morning but back in stereo this afternoon and sounding good as usual. Thanks John for helping and I will be sending them an email of thanks. Paul Crane Jackson, MI >From: "John P." >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} CFCO Update >Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:33:40 -0700 (PDT) > >I was able to convince the CFCO engineer that even though they are back on >the >main transmitter after power failures with Sunday's snowstorm, that they >are in >mono. After checking, he verified that they are on the mono exciter but >will >be switching back into AM stereo! Whew. Still great music selection, but >even >better in stereo. So to my Michigan friends, make sure you thank him for >putting CFCO back into stereo! >73's > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 11:37:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12178 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2005 18:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2005 18:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 18:37:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2005 18:37:31 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.219] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2005 18:37:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:37:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1591 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.241.7 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CFCO 630 is mono today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > Isn't it funny how AM Stereo stations routinely "go mono" for days on > end because of maintenance issues, etc, but an FM station never "goes > mono" for days on end because of maintenance issues?? Well, since most FM transmitters have built-in stereo, rather than relying on external exciters.... This wasn't the way it once was, since most backup TXes were once the main TXes, and even up into the '80s, many of these older TXes were mono, from the days before every station had to have stereo. (There ARE mono FM stations, for what it's worth, such as KHUM in Garberville/Redway, CA, not far from me.) It doesn't help, though, that it's getting harder to find service and repair for AMS exciters, or even just buying new ones, now. > This kind of rationale irks me. I don't mean this in a way to > criticize the good folks that actually 'keep the pilots lit', many > thanks to the few that do... I just wish there was more money for AM > Stereo stations to have backup exciters, etc, so that when one went on > the fritz continuous operation could occur. Money. Greenbacks. $$$. Most AM stations lack it, for one reason or another- Mostly due to declining ad revenues or higher programming expenses. Plus, many older transmitters (usually used for backups these days) can't be retrofitted with a C-QUAM exciter, unfortunately. =sigh= If I could afford some AMS equipment- not like anyone would DONATE any- I'd find a way to put them to good use. AM stereo forever. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 11:44:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87082 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2005 18:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2005 18:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 18:44:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n32.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2005 18:44:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2005 18:44:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:44:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 820 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.241.7 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CFCO Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" wrote: > They were still mono this morning but back in stereo this afternoon and > sounding good as usual. Thanks John for helping and I will be sending them > an email of thanks. Every AM stereo station should be thanked! (And everyone should have Jay Arnold's GoldVine radio show, or something likke it. ;) ) So, everyone within receiving range of at aleast one AMS station, day or night, please send a letter or email, simply thanking them for being AM stereo. If they know they're being heard in stereo, they may stay stereo longer. You don't need to say ANYTHING else in your missive, just say "THANKS!" :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (And by extension, thank YOU, Jay Arnold for keeping KVON in stereo, and for a great-sounding radio show! :) ) From mark_608@hotmail.com Tue Apr 26 11:58:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71656 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2005 18:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2005 18:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.175.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 18:58:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:58:31 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.175.202 by by104fd.bay104.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:58:30 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050426173340.46970.qmail@web14221.mail.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 14:58:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2005 18:58:31.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0A118D0:01C54A91] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.175.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Mark Sundquist" Subject: RE: {AMSF} CFCO Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 Woohoo! Thanks John! It certainly helps to have someone around who can get a message directly to the engineer rather than try to explain to the people answering the phones "No, I don't think that the rain and snow is interfering with the signal..." :) Sending a thanks to CFCO now... Mark Warren,MI >From: "John P." >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} CFCO Update >Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:33:40 -0700 (PDT) > >I was able to convince the CFCO engineer that even though they are back on >the >main transmitter after power failures with Sunday's snowstorm, that they >are in >mono. After checking, he verified that they are on the mono exciter but >will >be switching back into AM stereo! Whew. Still great music selection, but >even >better in stereo. So to my Michigan friends, make sure you thank him for >putting CFCO back into stereo! >73's > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Apr 26 12:11:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97640 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2005 19:11:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2005 19:11:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.51.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 19:11:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:11:03 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.208 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:11:03 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:11:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2005 19:11:03.0878 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0EB3660:01C54A93] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.51.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CFCO 630 is mono today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane > >(There ARE mono FM stations, for what it's worth, such as KHUM in >Garberville/Redway, CA, not far from me.) > This seems to be somewhat of a trend here in central Michigan. WVGR 104.1 (Grand Rapids) has been mono for several years (they were stereo at one time). They are // with WUOM 91.7 (Ann Arbor) along with a few other FMs -- all stereo but WVGR. WQTX 92.7 (Charlotte) and WTXQ 92.1 (St. Johns), both // (except when airing two different games at the same time) with sports talk in the same market. They were stereo when they had music formats but went mono for sports. Also, there's a few LPFMs in mono like WRFK 107.7 in Mt. Pleasant. Paul Crane Jackson, MI _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 12:14:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26666 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2005 19:14:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2005 19:14:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.58) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 19:14:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2005 19:14:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2005 19:14:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:14:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1141 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.241.7 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: IBOC AM and Sporting Events X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > "we must switch to digital or the AM band will die." There's an old hacker saying: "GIGO: Garbage In, Garbage Out". Digital will not "save" AM; on the contrary! It has proven to be the opposite! The problem here, and many of us here have REPEATEDLY said it, over and over and over again: It's the CONTENT, stupid! CONTENT, CONTENT, CONTENT!!!! Much of today's radio is total, unadulterated CRAP! Saying it's "digital" hasn't meant anything to anyone. Slappinmg an ill- conceived, wasteful (both in financial resources and in coverage) digital system, whether AM or FM, in the expectation it'll win back listeners is pure stupidity. People don't listen to something because it's "digital"- They listen because it's something they WANT to hear. CDs, DVDs and MP3s are more of a matter of convenience to the consumer than it's because they're "digital". How many times does it have to be said before it gets through the thick skulls of all these "digital" proponents, that "digital" does not matter? It's the !!!CONTENT!!!, stupid! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 15:15:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98369 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2005 22:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2005 22:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.114) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 22:15:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 54597 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2005 22:15:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050426221543.54595.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.17] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:15:42 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:15:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CFCO 630 is mono today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > Well, since most FM transmitters have built-in > stereo, rather than > relying on external exciters.... This wasn't the way > it once was, > since most backup TXes were once the main TXes, and > even up into > the '80s, many of these older TXes were mono, from > the days before > every station had to have stereo. That is just not true. There is the EXCITER that usually comes with a new transmitter. But it's NOT built in. Usually any exciter can be used with a transmitter. And some older tube type units purr along with a much newer and nicer exciter. There just AREN'T any newer and exciting exciters for AM stereo. Powell powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 26 15:22:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2211 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2005 22:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2005 22:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 22:22:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2005 22:22:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2005 22:22:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:22:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 428 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.216.101.2 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: CFCO Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215058239 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 I noticed the stereo returned some time this afternoon, as CFCO was definitely mono this morning. In my daily driving the past few days, it was obvious that CFCO did not gain any coverage by being mono. Their audio was dull and lifeless in mono, and the Four Seasons song sounded so so good this evening on my way home. I will be writing and thanking them, as well. 73, Jeff Deck http://spaces.msn.com/members/amstereo From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Tue Apr 26 16:04:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48855 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2005 23:04:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2005 23:04:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.181) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 23:04:33 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:04:33 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.164.207.163 by BAY22-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 23:04:33 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:04:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. 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Chrysafis (kc8gpd) Universal Life Ministries [ULC] http://www.freecycle.org http://www.part15.us From redledge78@yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 22:39:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: redledge78@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30666 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2005 05:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2005 05:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2005 05:39:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2005 05:39:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2005 05:39:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 05:39:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1375 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.181.122 From: "redledge78" Subject: Re: IBOC AM and Sporting Events X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59652447 X-Yahoo-Profile: redledge78 I agree. But it's that compatibility issue with AM at nighttime that bugs me.... Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > > > "we must switch to digital or the AM band will die." > > There's an old hacker saying: "GIGO: Garbage In, Garbage Out". > > Digital will not "save" AM; on the contrary! It has proven to be the > opposite! The problem here, and many of us here have REPEATEDLY said > it, over and over and over again: > > It's the CONTENT, stupid! > > CONTENT, CONTENT, CONTENT!!!! > > Much of today's radio is total, unadulterated CRAP! Saying > it's "digital" hasn't meant anything to anyone. Slappinmg an ill- > conceived, wasteful (both in financial resources and in coverage) > digital system, whether AM or FM, in the expectation it'll win back > listeners is pure stupidity. People don't listen to something because > it's "digital"- They listen because it's something they WANT to hear. > CDs, DVDs and MP3s are more of a matter of convenience to the consumer > than it's because they're "digital". > > How many times does it have to be said before it gets through the thick > skulls of all these "digital" proponents, that "digital" does not > matter? > > It's the !!!CONTENT!!!, stupid! > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue Apr 26 22:52:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66175 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2005 05:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2005 05:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2005 05:52:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2005 05:51:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2005 05:51:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 05:51:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 417 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 141.149.39.34 From: "wgliradio" Subject: Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > > "Celebrate" by Three Dog Night sounds inferior to nearly all of their other hits. > Unfortunate, since that's one of my favorite songs of theirs. "Never Been To Spain", which is a good record, has a VERY high noise floor for the first 20-30 seconds.... but then again, it was ABC/Dunhill... not know for their quality recordings. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 23:21:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48217 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2005 06:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2005 06:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2005 06:21:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2005 06:21:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2005 06:21:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 06:21:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 409 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.241.7 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: IBOC AM and Sporting Events X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "redledge78" wrote: > > I agree. But it's that compatibility issue with AM at nighttime > that bugs me.... It's a bugger, yes. Bad science, bad engineering.... Nice to know Americans are the best-educated in the world, yes? Or we'd REALLY have such TERRIBLE innovations..... C'mon... Is the broadcasting industry THAT stupid?? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 01:27:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87112 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2005 08:27:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2005 08:27:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2005 08:27:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2005 08:27:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2005 08:27:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:27:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <14917-426D8705-2650@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2441 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.241.7 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Fwd: Re: [ ABDX ] 590, 1490 swap X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > Message to follow... Didn't quite work out, since attatchments are screened out... But I did find it elsewhere, so... For the benefit of the list, here's Bill's post. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ ===================== Ron G : I'd love to get a copy of the WOW > KOMJ format change from 1999. I missed it, myself, but I do recall recording the WOW AM/ FM ID a few days before. WOW-FM 94.1 limped on for a short time and was replaced with KSSO (Kiss-FM) which CleaR Channel strongly objected to, was quickly dropped, then with KMXM 94.1 Max County, and is currently KQCH 94.1 A Hip Hop, teenie bopper station..... Journal did everything to destroy much of the old WOW's legacy. They completely blew up the FM. Another insult was the dropping of C-Quam AM Stereo on 590 KOMJ a few months after the format change...while running a nostalgic, musical format perfectly formatted for stereo! And they (KOMJ) lost Paul Harvey to KFAB... lol What a shame for a station that serves parts of 6 states something like 107,000 square miles of coverage. Magic does give a little bit of continuity to the old WOW as the format appeals to older listeners and a lot of staffers go back a long time at 590, and or 1490 Prior, to magic 590, KOIL 1180 had a similar nostalgic format from 1993 to 1998. Also, WOWT (Ex- WOW- TV) Still exsists on NTSC Channel 6 and Digital channel 22 . While the NEW Magic serves Omaha on 1490 AM, Out lying Nebraska, Iowa, etc... listeners will feel a loss... 1490 has a local grade signal at best. Bill Snyder - Omaha BS-NE BS-NE 1 Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! ======================== American Broadcast DXers Greatest DX on earth! ======================== --^---------------------------------------------------------------- This email was sent to: oldphones@webtv.net EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/? bUrKzU.b7nBxs.b2xkcGhv Or send an email to: ABDX-unsubscribe@topica.com For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^---------------------------------------------------------------- From badeditpro@cox.net Wed Apr 27 03:06:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65920 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2005 10:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2005 10:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2005 10:06:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n32.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2005 10:06:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2005 10:06:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:06:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1702 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: IBOC AM and Sporting Events X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > C'mon... Is the broadcasting industry THAT stupid?? >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Yes! What else do you expect from an industry that has been committing slow motion suicide for almost ten years now? Remember, IBOC comes to us from the same folks who gave us runaway deregulation, downsizing, automation and consolidation. Nothing these people do surprises me anymore. There is no room for logic in an industry that consistently pushes out its most talented and experienced craftspeople in favor of younger, marginally qualified replacements who will work for peanuts and tow the corporate line. At a time when music is everywhere and people are tuning out for other sources of it from new mediums, what do these people do? How do the respond to this mass exodus? They give us the hot new BOB/JACK format that features nothing but randomly chosen, unfocused music with nothing else. No personality, local content. news or entertainment value at all=85 The slogan is `Just like an iPod on shuffle.' So, why should I even bother to listen if I can simply put MY iPod on shuffle and hear songs that I have personally chosen to load into it without 5 minute commercial breaks every half hour? The other popular slogan is, `We play what we want.' What makes you so sure that I want to hear what you want to play? Shouldn't it be `We play what YOU want.?' How would you like to go to a restaurant where the chef came out to the dinning area and announced, `We'll feed you what we want you to eat?' Huh? Now, that is stupidity in action right there!=20=20=20 Bitter? No, not me=85 Well, maybe just a little. Do you think? : ) JC From zebra@strangeanimals.net Wed Apr 27 08:44:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13711 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2005 15:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2005 15:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2005 15:44:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2005 15:44:04 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.219] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2005 15:44:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:44:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 365 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.169.164.47 From: "amradiozebra" Subject: format changes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra well, the local mono am 1510 here in san francsisco (50s 60s oldies) has vastly expanded it's playlist, but the music is still "on format" and I have to say that I -do- like the larger playlist, I get to hear things that I haven't heard in a long long time. here in SF I guess we can forget about stereo AM tho :( I haven't heard a 'jack' format station as yet. From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Apr 27 09:04:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83894 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2005 16:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2005 16:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) (207.115.63.98) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2005 16:04:28 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-241.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.241]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with SMTP id j3RG4Lqi158596 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:04:25 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c54b42$c94dc8d0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:04:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 207.115.63.98 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > "Never Been To Spain", which is a good record, has a VERY high noise > floor for the first 20-30 seconds.... but then again, it was > ABC/Dunhill... not know for their quality recordings. Or their quality vinyl. ABC/Dunhill pressings must have been made in Jell-O. Cue it up one time and it's trashed. Putting music on carts was still a few years away (for the most part) but the station at which I worked carted up every song on ABC/Dunhill (along with a few others). Most of the 45's in my collection were radio station promo copies and every one of them on ABC/Dunhill are ruined with cue burns. From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Apr 27 11:09:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81252 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2005 18:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2005 18:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2005 18:09:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2005 18:09:34 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.215] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2005 18:09:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:09:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c54b42$c94dc8d0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1267 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.89.146.146 From: "narkspud" Subject: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >Most of the 45's in my collection were radio station > promo copies and every one of them on ABC/Dunhill are ruined with cue burns. Ooh! One of "My Topics"! Prepare for an annoying know-it-all academic lecture: Cue burns were far more common and far louder on 45s pressed on styrene plastic rather than vinyl. Some labels (A&M and Warner Bros. for instance) would usually press their promo copies on vinyl while the general public got the cheaper styrene. ABC was not so sensible. Styrene also wore out a lot faster and was easier to scratch and break. The US is the only country I know of that made a significant percentage of their records out of it. Decca pressed their LPs on styrene during the late 50s, which is why it's practically impossible to find original Buddy Holly LPs in playable condition. Styrene 45s are a lot more common as you approach the west coast, so location has a lot to do with it. But even the vinyl ABC pressings were among the worst in the industry, since they used the lowest grade regrind vinyl (IE vinyl consisting of the ground-up remains of unsold records, complete with label fragments, dirt, and whatever else). ABC's 45 mastering guys also apparently didn't believe in high frequencies, but that's another topic. From kjones_731@yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 13:13:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90379 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2005 20:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2005 20:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81707.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2005 20:13:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20050427201318.30451.qmail@web81707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.249.221.76] by web81707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:13:18 PDT Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:13:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: Kirk Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040 X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 Enjoyed the lecture, very interesting. Wondered if old Lp's are still going up in value with the onslaught of re releases on CD's? > From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Apr 27 14:03:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17774 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2005 21:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2005 21:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2005 21:03:51 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.180.110]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:07:43 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c54b6c$c2518240$6eb40642@4bmx301> To: References: <20050427201318.30451.qmail@web81707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:04:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vinyl will always be around- a lot of people are still buying it up- the trick is finding un-abused records. The 'ol Webcor could be a bit harsh. Reminds me of when I was a kid- my older brother and I always fought like brothers do, and he would torture me by playing records I hated. That led to me putting a stack of his 45's out in the car on the back package shelf which turned them into bacon in no time flat. I got nearly beaten senseless for that one- but then I did another trick on one- took a razor and as the record was turning, I made a new groove to carry the arm from the beginning to the trip out groove so I would never hear it again. Ahh memories.... CC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Wed Apr 27 14:22:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4460 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2005 21:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2005 21:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2005 21:22:22 -0000 Received: from [4.247.236.196] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DQtzC-00070L-2F for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:22:22 -0400 Message-ID: <410-220054327212229671@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.57.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:22:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc2b7287046249bd1400da7ec95ea9916c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 You had an evil side! Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Chris Cuff > To: > Date: 4/27/2005 5:07:43 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies > > > Vinyl will always be around- a lot of people are still buying it up- the trick is finding un-abused records. The 'ol Webcor could be a bit harsh. > Reminds me of when I was a kid- my older brother and I always fought like brothers do, and he would torture me by playing records I hated. That led to me putting a stack of his 45's out in the car on the back package shelf which turned them into bacon in no time flat. I got nearly beaten senseless for that one- but then I did another trick on one- took a razor and as the record was turning, I made a new groove to carry the arm from the beginning to the trip out groove so I would never hear it again. Ahh memories.... > CC > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Apr 27 15:16:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52752 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2005 22:16:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2005 22:16:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2005 22:16:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2005 22:16:45 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.217] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2005 22:16:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:16:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050427201318.30451.qmail@web81707.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 667 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.89.146.146 From: "narkspud" Subject: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kirk Jones wrote: > Enjoyed the lecture, very interesting. Wondered if > old Lp's are still going up in value with the > onslaught of re releases on CD's? > > Like everything else in collecting, "it depends." By the way, I don't think I've seen anyone hereabouts mention an upcoming momentous event in the oldies CD world. We've been waiting for it for a mighty long time. It won't do much for your stereo collection, but your collection of oldies in general can't be without it. Ladies and gentlemen, the legendary, mythical Cameo Parkway box: http://www.oldies.com/product/view.cfm/id_192232.html From kya1260@lycos.com Wed Apr 27 15:22:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71782 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2005 22:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2005 22:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2005 22:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id C289B18001A5 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:22:16 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 27 Apr 2005 22:22:16 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8070386B10; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:22:16 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [68.125.55.118] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:22:16 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:22:16 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050427222216.8070386B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} format changes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ ----- Original Message ----- From: amradiozebra > well, the local mono am 1510 here in san francsisco (50s 60s oldies) > has vastly expanded it's playlist, but the music is still "on format" and > I have to say that I -do- like the larger playlist, I get to hear things = that > I haven't heard in a long long time. > here in SF I guess we can forget about stereo AM tho :( > I haven't heard a 'jack' format station as yet. Enjoy KMZT 1510 while it lasts; earlier this month, Mapleton Broadcasting purchased 1510 and is planning to simulcast=20 Freedom's (Monterey) KPIG-FM's "Alternative Country"=20 format... Too bad, because Mt. Wilson FM broadcasters FINALLY did=20 something right with 1510, going to the "older oldies" after=20 a myriad of formats over the last several years, even though it was being programmed/operated from Southern California... I don't know if Mapleton will go "AM-Stereo" with KPIG-AM, but since their other AMs are all mono, I doubt it... --jay What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From kya1260@lycos.com Wed Apr 27 15:43:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51298 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2005 22:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2005 22:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2005 22:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 0854B18001BE for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:43:24 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 27 Apr 2005 22:43:23 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CFC3086B10; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:43:23 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [68.125.55.118] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:43:23 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:43:23 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050427224323.CFC3086B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: O.T. {AMSF} Fwd: new pod casting coming soon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ See what you think of this, folks... Yet another change in San Francisco radio formats to happen, but on a rather low-impact, electron-microscopic-rated 50,000-watt (daytime) directional AM... --jay =20 > ----- BEGIN ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- > From: "Marty Rimpau" > To: "Rick Lewis"/"Jay Arnold" > Subject: new pod casting coming soon > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:00:57 -0700 >=20 >=20 > Hi, Jay and Rick,I thought you would > find this interesting. >=20 > Infinity Broadcasting Launches KYOURADIO, > the World's First Podcasting Radio Station, > on Monday, May 16 > New Radio Platform To Be Featured on > San Francisco's KYCY-AM And > KYOURADIO.COM >=20 > NEW YORK, April 27 /PRNewswire/ -- Joel Hollander, > Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Infinity Broadcasting, > announced today the creation of KYOURADIO, the world's first-ever > podcasting radio station. > KYOURADIO's content will be created exclusively by its listeners > and available in San Francisco at 1550 KYCY-AM and streamed online > at < http://www.kyouradio.com > beginning on Monday, May 16. > "We're always thrilled when we can incubate new programming ideas > and bring them to life on our radio stations in ways we never before > imagined," said Hollander. "Whether it's creating original formats > or adapting new technology to our existing business, Infinity is > leading the charge for unique listening experiences. There is a > profound shift underway in the way we use technology that allows > everyone to have a voice. KYOURADIO harnesses that power by serving > our listeners with content developed by them for them and > offering a platform to share it with the rest of the world." > Added Hollander, "We envision KYOURADIO not only as a place to > hear a fresh and new perspective created from the outside, but an > outlet with which to foster the creativity of undiscovered talent > from all walks of life." > Podcasting technology, first made popular in late 2004, allows > users to create and upload their own audio programs on the Internet > which can be downloaded to multimedia players at a later date. > The software also lets users subscribe to their favorite podcasts > and have them sent automatically to their players for listening > at their convenience. > Beginning today, users will be able to upload their podcasts of > varying lengths for free at < http://www.kyouradio.com > where it > will be eligible to be selected for broadcast. > Programming on the station will be determined by listener interests > and feedback, and evaluated on a daily basis. >=20 > Infinity is one of the largest major-market radio operators > in the United States, with stations covering the news, modern rock, > oldies, country, FM talk, classic rock and urban formats, among > others. A division of Viacom Inc. > (NYSE: VIA and VIA.B), Infinity operates 183 radio stations, the > majority of which are in the nation's top 50 markets. Additionally, > Infinity is home to 29 of the country's leading sports franchises > amongst MLB, the NFL, the NBA and the NHL. >=20 >=20 > SOURCE Infinity Broadcasting > Web Site: http://www.kyouradio.com ****************************** What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 15:58:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71016 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2005 22:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2005 22:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2005 22:58:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 63448 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2005 22:58:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050427225853.63446.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.106] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:58:53 PDT Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:58:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.116 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC AM and Sporting Events X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "redledge78" > > wrote: > > > > I agree. But it's that compatibility issue with > AM at nighttime > > that bugs me.... > > It's a bugger, yes. > > Bad science, bad engineering.... > > Nice to know Americans are the best-educated in the > world, yes? Or we'd > REALLY have such TERRIBLE innovations..... > > C'mon... Is the broadcasting industry THAT stupid?? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Powell...with ARCHED eyebrow...tapping a foot and crossed arms..... You really don't want to ask THAT question ! powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 16:03:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82513 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2005 23:03:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2005 23:03:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2005 23:03:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 64691 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2005 23:03:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050427230303.64689.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.106] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:03:03 PDT Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:03:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.116 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jim Burgan wrote: > > "Never Been To Spain", which is a good record, has > a VERY high noise > > floor for the first 20-30 seconds.... but then > again, it was > > ABC/Dunhill... not know for their quality > recordings. > > Or their quality vinyl. > ABC/Dunhill pressings must have been made in Jell-O. > Cue it up one time and > it's trashed. > Putting music on carts was still a few years away > (for the most part) but > the station at which I worked carted up every song > on ABC/Dunhill (along > with a few others). Most of the 45's in my > collection were radio station > promo copies and every one of them on ABC/Dunhill > are ruined with cue burns. I've seen ABC on good vinyl but those horrid ones that go FFFT! with one cue the world FAMOUS styrene 45, as Columbia ALWAYS used that. Decca in the late 50's did that on some LP's for a short time. GRRRRR! Powell powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From droland66@yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 17:40:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80386 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2005 00:40:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2005 00:40:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.59) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2005 00:40:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n30.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2005 00:40:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2005 00:40:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:40:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4810 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.128.238.135 From: "coaxguy99" Subject: Re: what would AM stereo sound like X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 Kevin - A setup such as you describe below with the aid of the Motorola Symphony technology in the receiver could definitely rejuvinate the AM band. Now what would happen if the two halves of the AM portion of the waveform were purposely made not to match? Would it then be possible to get full 15 kHz stereo within a 10 kHz signal? What would be great is a HI-FI 15 kHz AM stereo station transmitting under such a scheme with all source content coming from very high quality analog or enhanced ditigal (SACD or DVD-A) so that it sounded better than any FM station. Why not also pull the long wave band up into AM and try to again expand the high end of the dial as well. And while your at it, work with Dolby to develop an analog based fully compatible noise reduction eq curve or biasing solution to some of AM's problems? convince the FCC to allow only these newer experemintal AM stations to broadcast in the extended portions of the band and let them prove themselves on new receivers. heck, let the new receivers include IBOC, too, and allow the consumers to hear the difference between the two. coax --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > channel! There is a technique called frequency multiplication that > > a company called Comrex uses to give a more life like sound to a > > standard phone line for broadcasting sports events and such when a > > phone line is all that's available to the broadcaster. It works by > > doubling the input frequency so you'll get more low end from a > > phone line which makes it sound more natural than the 300 to 3000 > > cycles that a normal phone line can carry. The result is that the > > decoded signal has frequencies down to 150 Herts in it and that is > > where a lot of the human voice's energy is. > > A little sidebar on this.... in the late 1960s, Leonard Kahn patented > a method by which the telephone system could extend its frequency > response down to 150 Hz, without any fancy trickery, for richer- > sounding voice audio. This plan lay dormant until the early 1990s, > when AT&T introduced basically the same exact thing -- a bass and > loudness boost on their telephone service which they called > "TrueVoice". Accordingly, Kahn sued AT&T for ripping off his design, > but I'm not sure how that lawsuit eventually turned out. I do recall > when AT&T introduced "TrueVoice" they promoted it with TV commercials > featuring Whitney Houston, and had a 1-800 number you could call to > hear the difference on your regular telephone between standard phone- > line audio and bass-boosted TrueVoice phone audio. > > Back when that was a current promo in 1993, one Macintosh user made > use of his computer's audio capabilities to do a spectrum analysis of > the "TrueVoice" audio versus standard telephone audio, and came up > with these results: > > http://massis.lcs.mit.edu/archives/technical/truevoice.dsp.analysis > > And as for using various trickery to squeeze more than 10 kHz's worth > of audio response into the standard +/- 1-0 kHz AM channel, it can be > done without relying upon digital modulation and with full > compatibility with existing analog receivers! We all know that > AM Stereo gives us two channels of audio to use: 10 kHz's worth of > amplitude-modulated audio (used for the L+R component), and 10 kHz's > worth of phase-modulated audio (used for the L-R component). If you > use frequency division to shift the 10 to 20 kHz audio down to the 0 > to 10 kHz region and put it in the phase-modulated component, then in > the receiver you can multiply that audio back up to 10 - 20 kHz and > add it to the main amplitude-modulated channel audio (0 - 10 kHz), > giving you full 20 kHz audio response -- although only in mono. > > This same method could be used to extend the response of a +/- 5 kHz > band-limited AM channel back up to 10 kHz.... or you could use an > intermediate AM channel bandwidth of +/- 7.5 kHz to get full > FM-quality 15 kHz audio. Limited compatibility with AM Stereo could > be provided in the +/-10 kHz bandwidth scheme, by using the 0 - 5 kHz > phase-modulated audio to carry the traditional L-R stereo difference > audio and the 5 - 10 kHz phase-modulated audio to carry the extended- > response audio -- that would give you FM-quality 15 kHz audio with > stereo separation up to 5 kHz (still enough to deliver a subjectively > complete stereo audio image). A wide-bandwidth AM Stereo receiver > might hear a strange "synthesized" effect due to the undecoded > high-frequency extension audio being received in the L-R component, > but surely that would be a lot less objectionable that the constant > background hisssssss of a hybrid IBOC signal being received! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Apr 27 17:50:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55905 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2005 00:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2005 00:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2005 00:50:40 -0000 X-Node: 2 Received: from stodd (modem0022-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.22]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j3S0obJm029387 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:50:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004101c54b8c$f909c980$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:55:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Speaking of Parkway, did they ever re-release the Senator Bobby parodies of Wild Thing? Those were hysterical. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "narkspud" > By the way, I don't think I've seen anyone hereabouts mention an upcoming momentous > event in the oldies CD world. We've been waiting for it for a mighty long time. It won't do > much for your stereo collection, but your collection of oldies in general can't be without it. > Ladies and gentlemen, the legendary, mythical Cameo Parkway box: > > http://www.oldies.com/product/view.cfm/id_192232.html From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Apr 27 18:37:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60300 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2005 01:37:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2005 01:37:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm15.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2005 01:37:26 -0000 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3S1XYQc002122 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:33:34 -0400 X-ORBL: [68.22.243.241] Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-241.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.241]) by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with SMTP id j3S1bLSX323794 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:37:25 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c54b92$d5427d20$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:37:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Styrene 45s are a lot more common as you approach the west coast, so > location has a lot to do with it. But even the vinyl ABC pressings > were among the worst in the industry, since they used the lowest grade > regrind vinyl (IE vinyl consisting of the ground-up remains of unsold > records, complete with label fragments, dirt, and whatever else). IIRC, many of my Columbia Records also have worse-than-normal cue burns. ABC/Dunhill were by far the worst. What kind of vinyl did Columbia/Epic use? I was listening to one of my airchecks from 34 years ago (March 1973) and there were two records with cue burns bad enough to hear on my aircheck. They were Dead Skunk (Loudon Wainwright III) on Columbia and The Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia (Vicki Lawrence) on Bell. Bell/Big Tree (in the pre-Arista days) also had lousy vinyl. Seems like MCA was decent and WEA (Warner/Electra/Atlantic) was among the best labels out there, assuming my memory is OK, which it isn't... Especially considering I started in this biz in 1974 (full time.. I worked part-time since late 1971). -Jim- From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Apr 27 18:43:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87958 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2005 01:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2005 01:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm12.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2005 01:43:08 -0000 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3S1h62h008050 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:43:07 -0400 X-ORBL: [68.22.243.241] Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-241.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.241]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with SMTP id j3S1h3YT075378 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:43:07 -0400 Message-ID: <002701c54b93$a10ac340$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <410-220054327212229671@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:43:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Dick W. wrote about Chris Cuff": > > You had an evil side! You're right! On May 19th, we will finally find out that Anakin Skywalker was not really Darth Vader. It was Chris, who was pushed to the Dark Side by his brother. I'm glad I never did such things to MY brother :-) -Jim- From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 18:45:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78679 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2005 01:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2005 01:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2005 01:45:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2005 01:45:46 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.216] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2005 01:45:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:45:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050427201318.30451.qmail@web81707.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 250 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.247.208 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kirk Jones wrote: > Enjoyed the lecture, very interesting. Wondered if > old Lp's are still going up in value with the > onslaught of re releases on CD's? Short answer: Yes. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 19:07:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98476 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2005 02:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2005 02:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2005 02:07:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2005 02:07:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2005 02:07:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 02:07:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050427225853.63446.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 292 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.247.208 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC AM and Sporting Events X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > C'mon... Is the broadcasting industry THAT stupid?? > You really don't want to ask THAT question ! LOL! :D I guess I don't wanna know! ;) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kya1260@lycos.com Wed Apr 27 20:27:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94940 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2005 03:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2005 03:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2005 03:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 6694318001C1 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 03:27:19 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Apr 2005 03:27:19 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E3C87E5BC7; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 03:27:18 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [68.125.55.118] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:27:18 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:27:18 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050428032718.E3C87E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ From: "Scott Todd" > Speaking of Parkway, did they ever re-release the Senator Bobby=20 > parodies of Wild Thing? Those were hysterical. A few years ago, a bootleg label called "Liberty Bell" records reissued - on CD - the two Senator Bobby chart singles ("Wild Thing" and "Mellow Yellow") on "All The Hits By All The Stars, Volume=20 Three"...clean transfers to CD, actually, for the sound quality=20 the original vinyl possessed... --jay --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Apr 27 22:51:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6671 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2005 05:51:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2005 05:51:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2005 05:51:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2005 05:51:45 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.216] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2005 05:51:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 05:51:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004101c54b8c$f909c980$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 385 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.245.201.220 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Speaking of Parkway, did they ever re-release the Senator Bobby parodies of > Wild Thing? Those were hysterical. > > Scott Todd This box set is the first time most of the Cameo/Parkway material has been released on CD, period. The Senator Bobby versions of "Wild Thing" and "White Christmas" are both on it. From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Apr 27 23:44:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20588 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2005 06:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2005 06:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2005 06:44:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2005 06:44:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2005 06:44:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:44:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c54b92$d5427d20$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2495 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.245.201.220 From: "narkspud" Subject: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > IIRC, many of my Columbia Records also have worse-than-normal cue burns. > ABC/Dunhill were by far the worst. > What kind of vinyl did Columbia/Epic use? You must be an east-coaster. If you were in California, all your WEA stuff would have cue burns as well. Generally speaking, in reference to 45s: Columbia was almost entirely styrene on the east coast, but about 50/50 out west. Bell was a mixed bag everywhere (though mostly styrene) and MCA was vinyl in the east and mixed in the west. 70s WEA was 98% vinyl in the east and about 90% styrene in the west. Motown was all vinyl east and nearly all styrene west through most of their history. RCA was mostly vinyl (of widely varying quality) until the early 80s. Capitol was vinyl all the way. A&M and Polygram were virtually all styrene unless you were lucky enough to score a vinyl promo copy. All of this went right out the window in the 90s when record plants were closing right and left and everybody was pressing records for each other. But radio was using CDs by then. If you were in the middle of the country, what you got depended on the distribution practices of each label. How do you tell the difference? Well, there are exceptions to every one of these rules, but in general, the styrene 45s are lighter, thicker, have shiny, non-tapered edges, have holes that were punched out of the record after it was pressed and labelled (they came off the press with small holes), have labels glued onto the record rather than pressed into the surface, and go "ding" rather than "thump" when you thump 'em. Styrene was cheaper and could be manufactured faster, which is why so many factories in the US used it. Quality and durability were generally inferior, although a nasty regrind vinyl pressing could be pretty gosh-awful as well (and those were not exactly uncommon). One indie factory in the northeast, Bestway, often saved some additional coin by printing the labels directly onto their styrene 45s, bypassing paper entirely. The Amy-Mala-Bell group, Golden children's records, and Buena Vista were the most common recipients of this treatment. The painted-on labels looked awful, but the pressing quality wasn't any worse than anyone else's styrene pressings (in fact it was a lot better than some). How do I know all this? 30 years of collecting on the east coast followed by 9 in California. Now that I've experienced west coast pressings, both LP and 45, I'm very glad it wasn't the other way around. From badeditpro@cox.net Thu Apr 28 01:21:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6551 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2005 08:21:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2005 08:21:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2005 08:21:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2005 08:21:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2005 08:21:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:21:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 145 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions WOW! I never heard anybody break it down like that. You answered a lot of questions I've been wondering about for years.... Thanks! :) JC From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 08:10:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92514 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2005 15:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2005 15:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2005 15:10:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 13100 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2005 15:10:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050428151041.13098.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:10:41 PDT Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:10:41 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 216.136.173.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John P." Subject: Stereo Music X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio "narkspud" wrote: "...We've been waiting for it for a mighty long time...the legendary, mythical Cameo Parkway box" Narkspud, does it have a true stereo version of "96 Tears"? that would sound great on an AM Stereo station? FWIW, I heard a the 'stereo' version of a "Whiter Shade of Pale" on a local oldies station this week, and that's the first time I've ever heard that version on air. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Apr 28 09:53:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25145 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2005 16:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2005 16:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2005 16:53:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2005 16:53:35 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.223] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2005 16:53:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:53:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050428151041.13098.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1215 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.89.146.146 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: Stereo Music X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > Narkspud, does it have a true stereo version of "96 Tears"? Oy. We've been all through this before. I don't know what the set contains in terms of stereo, but (1) Cameo Parkway did not do much stereo recording on their pop releases, except for album cuts. The hits were in fake stereo on the original LPs. (2) The few stereo mixes they did do (Slow Twistin' springs to mind) were atrocious. and (3) Thus far, no true stereo version of 96 Tears has emerged. No, you have NOT heard one. If you think you did, then you got fooled. The one circulating as an MP3 is a very clever fake stereo job using a rather scratchy vinyl source. What little separation you hear on it (and it's all on the organ) was achieved through notch filtering individual notes. And it sounds dreadful. If 96 Tears shows up in true stereo on this set, then we can all rejoice and give thanks. But don't hold your breath. AFAIK, it was recorded in full-track mono with no overdubs (it was a leased master, not recorded by C/P), so a stereo mix is quite impossible. Personally, I'm hoping for 100% mono on this particular set, and given that ABKCO are the guys who did the Phil Spector box, that's what I'm expecting. From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu Apr 28 13:55:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36509 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2005 20:55:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2005 20:55:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.51.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2005 20:55:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:55:41 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.209 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:55:41 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050428151041.13098.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:55:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2005 20:55:41.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3662D40:01C54C34] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.51.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Stereo Music X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane >From: "John P." >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" >Subject: {AMSF} Stereo Music >Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:10:41 -0700 (PDT) > >FWIW, I heard a the 'stereo' version of a "Whiter Shade of Pale" on a local >oldies station this week, and that's the first time I've ever heard that >version on air. > Must be WRQN 93.5 out of Bowling Green...they DO have a great selection of oldies. I didn't realize A Whiter Shade of Pale (one of my favorites) was mono, so I had to check it out. Sure enough, both versions I have are -- one on cassette from Spain "Historia De La Musica Rock" and the other on CD from "The Big Chill Soundtrack". That would be a good song to hear in stereo. Paul Crane Jackson, MI _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 15:46:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15496 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2005 22:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2005 22:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52402.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.110) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2005 22:46:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 49817 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2005 22:46:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050428224653.49815.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.205] by web52402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:46:53 PDT Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:46:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jim Burgan wrote: > IIRC, many of my Columbia Records also have > worse-than-normal cue burns. > ABC/Dunhill were by far the worst. > What kind of vinyl did Columbia/Epic use? Styrene > I was > listening to one of my > airchecks from 34 years ago (March 1973) and there > were two records with cue > burns bad enough to hear on my aircheck. > They were Dead Skunk (Loudon Wainwright III) on > Columbia and The Night The > Lights Went Out In Georgia (Vicki Lawrence) on Bell. > Bell/Big Tree (in the pre-Arista days) also had > lousy vinyl. 45's were styrene > Seems like MCA was decent and WEA > (Warner/Electra/Atlantic) was among the > best labels out there, assuming my memory is OK, > which it isn't... > Especially considering I started in this biz in 1974 > (full time.. I worked > part-time since late 1971). > -Jim- I have Warner and Electra styrene 45's but not Atlantic. Powell powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 15:47:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19430 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2005 22:47:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2005 22:47:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52404.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.112) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2005 22:47:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 56218 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2005 22:47:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050428224755.56216.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.205] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:47:55 PDT Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:47:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jim Burgan wrote: > > Dick W. wrote about Chris Cuff": > > You had an evil side! > You're right! On May 19th, we will finally find out > that Anakin Skywalker > was not really Darth Vader. It was Chris, who was > pushed to the Dark Side > by his brother. I'm glad I never did such things to > MY brother :-) > -Jim- But in the picture of Chris he looks more like a Wookie.... Powell (ducking!) powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 15:48:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48868 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2005 22:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2005 22:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52404.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.112) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2005 22:48:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 56375 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2005 22:48:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050428224839.56373.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.205] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:48:39 PDT Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:48:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kirk Jones > > wrote: > > Enjoyed the lecture, very interesting. Wondered > if > > old Lp's are still going up in value with the > > onslaught of re releases on CD's? > Short answer: Yes. > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Especially the ones that will NEVER make it to CD. Powell powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 28 16:22:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56610 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2005 23:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2005 23:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2005 23:22:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2005 23:21:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2005 23:21:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:21:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050428151041.13098.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 240 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.216.101.2 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Stereo Music X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215058239 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 You mean you were actually listening to the FM band? You write: >FWIW, I heard a the 'stereo' version of a "Whiter Shade of >Pale" on a local oldies station this week, and that's the >first time I've ever heard that version on air. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 17:52:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41699 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2005 00:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2005 00:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2005 00:52:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2005 00:51:19 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.220] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2005 00:51:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:51:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050428224839.56373.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 978 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.92.7 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Especially the ones that will NEVER make it to CD. > > Powell I'm still waiting for a CD release of Apollo 100's album "Joy", best known for its Top 10 hit single in 1972 of the same name. Apollo 100 also scraped the bottom of the Top 100 with their version of "Mendelssohn's 4th (Second Movement)", charting at #94 in 1972 -- perhaps a foreshadowing of when another modern arrangement of a piece of classical music would become a much bigger hit in the '70s ("A Fifth of Beethoven" by Walter Murphy & The Big Apple Band, a #1 hit in 1976). Anyway, the full Apollo 100 album has never been released on CD, at least to my knowledge; their hit song "Joy" can be found on several compilation CDs, but that's it. I have been able to find a few of the other Apollo 100 tracks on MP3 sharing networks, but in each case they were transfers from the original vinyl LP (although very good ones at that, with rich, undistorted sound and almost no surface noise). From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Apr 28 17:59:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63786 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2005 00:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2005 00:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2005 00:59:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:59:04 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.201 by BAY101-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:59:03 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <001501c54b92$d5427d20$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:58:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2005 00:59:04.0301 (UTC) FILETIME=[A37269D0:01C54C56] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Burgan wrote: >WEA (Warner/Electra/Atlantic) was among the best labels out there, Back in the old days. Atlantic had the best sounding 78s. Some of the best sounding 45s were produced by Morningstar / Harvest, a Southern Gospel lablel. Skyline, another Southern Gospel label also made some GREAT sounding 45s. Before the Gusto takeover, the Country music label Starday had great sounding vinyl. For a time, Mercury was pressing some of Starday's LPs. Both Rebel and Sugar Hill, Both Bluegrass labels, made some of the best sounding vinyl you will ever hear. Give a listen to the Country gentlemen's LP "Calling My Children Home". The sound will floor you! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Apr 28 19:03:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27560 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2005 02:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2005 02:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2005 02:03:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2005 02:03:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.61] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2005 02:03:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 02:03:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050428224653.49815.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 281 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.245.201.220 From: "narkspud" Subject: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > I have Warner and Electra styrene 45's but not > Atlantic. Here in California there are no vinyl Atlantic 45s to be found anywhere, except in "imported" east coast collections like mine. And there are plenty of vinyl Columbias out here. It really depends on where you live. From kya1260@lycos.com Thu Apr 28 20:05:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65204 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2005 03:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2005 03:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2005 03:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 3D4531800132 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 03:05:13 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Apr 2005 03:05:13 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2BA9486B10; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 03:05:13 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [68.125.55.118] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:05:13 -0800 To: kevtronics@yahoo.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:05:13 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050429030513.2BA9486B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: Apollo 100 {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Hi, Kevin... I just noticed a brand new (this month) CD release from Repertoire (Germany= ) while on eBay, since I, too, have been looking for a similar compilation of Apollo 100 on CD and forgot until your recent posting: < http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D307&item=3D4722487= 705&rd=3D1&ssPageName=3DWDVW > It may not have ALL the tracks from the "Joy" LP, but I'm sure it has most of them...30 tracks in all... Can't find Repertoire Records' website, and DiscCollector in Colorado has the track listing... Good luck! --jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:51:18 -0000 > > > Especially the ones that will NEVER make it to CD. Powell > > > I'm still waiting for a CD release of Apollo 100's album "Joy", best > known for its Top 10 hit single in 1972 of the same name. Apollo 100 > also scraped the bottom of the Top 100 with their version of > "Mendelssohn's 4th (Second Movement)", charting at #94 in 1972 -- > perhaps a foreshadowing of when another modern arrangement of a piece > of classical music would become a much bigger hit in the '70s ("A > Fifth of Beethoven" by Walter Murphy & The Big Apple Band, a #1 hit > in 1976). > > Anyway, the full Apollo 100 album has never been released on CD, at > least to my knowledge; their hit song "Joy" can be found on several > compilation CDs, but that's it. I have been able to find a few of > the other Apollo 100 tracks on MP3 sharing networks, but in each case > they were transfers from the original vinyl LP (although very good > ones at that, with rich, undistorted sound and almost no surface > noise). > > What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From Bossmsx@aol.com Fri Apr 29 01:53:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83154 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2005 08:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2005 08:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2005 08:53:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2005 08:53:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2005 08:53:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:53:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 676 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.188.117.8 From: "Anthony" Subject: Quad. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Was poking 'round the 'Net, researching Surround Sound, and came up with something I'm surprised we've never (to my knowledge), unearthed here. Quadraphonic FM Broadcasting from the 70s....Actually, Lou Dorren's system was the one that was being seriously looked at, and was finally approved. But I can't seem to find much info on it. Anyone have more info to share, or competing formats?? Then you have matrix quad (SQ format), which to my understanding was 'transmitted' in a way that, even though you had limited separation (3db), you could conceivably have had an "AM Quad" scheme. Apparently, even a CD that carries SQ info can have its info decoded. --tony From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Apr 29 04:04:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41550 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2005 11:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2005 11:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2005 11:04:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 04:03:58 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.207 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:03:58 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:03:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2005 11:03:58.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[249832C0:01C54CAB] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Quad. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Yes, there were several Quadraphonic setups tested during the 70's. Most of them utilized two FM stereo stations on different frequencies, with one of the stations transmitting the "front" left and right information, and the other transmitting the "rear" left and right information. SQ, QS, EV4 and RM were all systems used to matrix 4 channels of sound onto the two channels of a stereo source, mostly vinyl records, and, if you have the equipment, and an FM stereo station plays one of these encoded records, you can still get the 4 channel information decoded and sent to four discrete speakers. If any of you are interested, there is a quadraphonic forum that you should visit. The forum is located here: http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/ If the above link is not "clickable", just copy the address and paste it into a blank explorer window. MTGC (Michael) >From: "Anthony" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Quad. >Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:53:30 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 >X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com >Received: from n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.20]) by >mc2-f2.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 >01:54:38 -0700 >Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr >2005 08:53:53 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.32] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 >Apr 2005 08:53:53 -0000 >Received: (qmail 83154 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2005 08:53:52 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >29 Apr 2005 08:53:52 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by >mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2005 08:53:52 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr >2005 08:53:31 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 >Apr 2005 08:53:31 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGqtbF0ypmu5KobUABCCtFURXiEOn48zEg= >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; >b=oJ2GRd56yzAC4XEFFP2T8LJIm5nmOTsLiTP/EXhFOlSP11JbBD+ZB/3Qq9mxU72v7x5bv4mmptYZTYTCrlmbY2grsEfJEhgLtR3gsG9Mm7f1cdS2Lmc022qLsyBzaowa; >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 >X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.188.117.8 >X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-21021-1114764833-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2005 08:54:38.0316 (UTC) >FILETIME=[130B92C0:01C54C99] > >Was poking 'round the 'Net, researching Surround Sound, and came up >with something I'm surprised we've never (to my knowledge), unearthed >here. > >Quadraphonic FM Broadcasting from the 70s....Actually, Lou Dorren's >system was the one that was being seriously looked at, and was finally >approved. But I can't seem to find much info on it. > >Anyone have more info to share, or competing formats?? > >Then you have matrix quad (SQ format), which to my understanding >was 'transmitted' in a way that, even though you had limited separation >(3db), you could conceivably have had an "AM Quad" scheme. 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050429155609.28860.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:56:09 PDT Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:56:09 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 216.136.172.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John P." Subject: What, not listening to AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Stereo Music wrote: "You mean you were actually listening to the FM band?" Yep, you caught me. I was stuck in traffic, and I didn't think CFCO would tell me why traffic was stopped on I-75, so I resorted to the only decent-sounding station in town with live "DJ's" from the good-old AM radio days, and yes, it was 93.5 WRQN. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From oldphones@webtv.net Fri Apr 29 15:56:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62370 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2005 22:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2005 22:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.137) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2005 22:56:32 -0000 Received: from storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 88FA1D699; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id PAA23031; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:56:32 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAsMzoIwz6sMp0Snto13eF1wcXWIACFBWsp4HdpWRNDk9XGy8Glgop2ls6 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:56:32 -0500 To: ABDX@topica.com Cc: abdx@abdx.org, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <6113-4272BBA0-1160@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Bossmsx4@aol.com's message of Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:23:07 EDT Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: XM 6 Retro casts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 In case anyone it interested in retro radio broadcasts, recreations XM channel 6 (60's Decades Channel) does retro re creations of famous oldies, Rock and rock stations of the 1960's with requests.. Right now WHBQ 560 of Memphis, TN is this friday's featured station. Good stuff, with a talented DJ, old bumps and liners, etc... I found that WHBQ is still alive with sports on 560. They also have a fm outlet WHBQ 107.5 and TV channel 13 in Memphis. Next weeks station is my beloved K O I L 1290 Omaha. KOIL still exsists as a country station on 1020 AM, News-talk KKAR has the 1290 frequency, and quite a bit of the heritage of the original KOIL. A few staffers like Steve Brown were with KOIL in it's heyday. KOIL has a fan tribute site as well... URL is: www.nebradio.tripod.com/koil.html Quite a bit of effort by loyal KOIL fans, and buffs helped to put this heritage website together on the history of Omaha's KOIL 1290 and KOIL STereo 96 ONE derful > KOIL-FM 96.1 , later known as KEFM which is still on 96.1 FM. Hope you have a chance to check this out and enjoy. The KOIL tribute will run 3 PM to 7 PM CST next Friday, May 6th, on XM channel 6. Bill Snyder Omaha BS-NE 1 Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Apr 29 17:01:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31700 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 00:01:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 00:01:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 00:01:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 00:01:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 00:01:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:01:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2044 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.92.7 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Quad, QSound, and BASE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > SQ, QS, EV4 and RM were all systems used to matrix 4 channels of > sound onto the two channels of a stereo source, mostly vinyl > records, and, if you have the equipment, and an FM stereo station > plays one of these encoded records, you can still get the 4 channel > information decoded and sent to four discrete speakers. I've heard that a Dolby Pro Logic surround sound decoder can deliver acceptable results when playing a SQ or QS quadraphonic recording, but unless you have a Pro Logic II decoder, the two rear channels of the quad recording will be summed to mono (regular Pro Logic only has a single "rear surround" channel, although it is usually played through a pair of speakers). I've never heard of any quadraphonic CDs (as the quad era was long gone by the time the CD arrived in the '80s), but I do have a Dolby Surround Sound demo CD from Radio Shack, and a number of Pop and Country CDs from the early '90s were recorded with alternative matrixed-surround systems, such as "QSound" and "BASE" (Bedini Audio Spatial Environment). Madonna and Sting each released one QSound album in the early '90s ("Immaculate Collection" and "Soul Cages", respectively), and most of the albums by country singer Suzy Bogguss were recorded with BASE from about 1989 to 1994. Here is a complete list of CDs which were recorded with the QSound matrixed surround-sound system: http://www.qsound.com/2002/spotlight/main2a.asp The strange thing about QSound is that no matching decoder for it was ever made! It was supposed to give a "3-D" effect when listening to a QSound recording through a conventional two-channel stereo system. Whether or not it does that depends on your ears, I guess. Listening to that QSound-ized Madonna CD is quite an interesting experience. In my case, I do detect a certain amount of front-to-rear separation when listening to it through headphones. (If you've ever heard a Madonna song on the radio that sounds "halfway out-of-phase", that's because you're hearing the QSound version.) From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Apr 29 17:32:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95339 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 00:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 00:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 00:32:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 00:32:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 00:32:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:32:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6113-4272BBA0-1160@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 589 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.247.208 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: XM 6 Retro casts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > In case anyone it interested in retro radio broadcasts, recreations > XM channel 6 (60's Decades Channel) does retro re creations of famous > oldies, Rock and rock stations of the 1960's with requests.. Right I'm an XM subscriber. :) 50's on 5 does similar retro stuff, too, with somew good talent. (Cool Bobby B.'s Doo-Wop Stop brings out some excellent, little-heard doo-wop. :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (All 20 of my SkyFi's presets are filled- Wish it had a third bank, because I know I could add more easily. :) ) From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Apr 29 17:54:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37482 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 00:54:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 00:54:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 00:54:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 00:54:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 00:54:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:54:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2762 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.247.208 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Quad, QSound, and BASE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > SQ, QS, EV4 and RM were all systems used to matrix 4 channels of > > sound onto the two channels of a stereo source, mostly vinyl > > records, and, if you have the equipment, and an FM stereo station > > plays one of these encoded records, you can still get the 4 channel > > information decoded and sent to four discrete speakers. > > I've heard that a Dolby Pro Logic surround sound decoder can deliver > acceptable results when playing a SQ or QS quadraphonic recording, > but unless you have a Pro Logic II decoder, the two rear channels of > the quad recording will be summed to mono (regular Pro Logic only has > a single "rear surround" channel, although it is usually played > through a pair of speakers). This is correct. Actually, ANY of the newer Dolby surround processors today will handle the system. The only things to consider was that Dolby used both their noise reduction and a delay in the matrix, neither of which were in the original quad systems. (Dolby Surround is blatantly ripped off one of the Quad systems.) > I've never heard of any quadraphonic CDs (as the quad era was long > gone by the time the CD arrived in the '80s), but I do have a Dolby > Surround Sound demo CD from Radio Shack, and a number of Pop and > Country CDs from the early '90s were recorded with alternative > matrixed-surround systems, such as "QSound" and "BASE" (Bedini Audio > Spatial Environment). Madonna and Sting each released one QSound > album in the early '90s ("Immaculate Collection" and "Soul Cages", > respectively), and most of the albums by country singer Suzy Bogguss > were recorded with BASE from about 1989 to 1994. Actually, there have been a few quad masterings- An early CD edition of the Edgar Winter Group's "They Only Come Out At Night" as well as the original cast album for "Annie" come to mind. Also, in EMI's late- nighties compilation of ELO's first two albums (UK), with bonus tracks, several of the bonus tracks are quad mixes as well. I believe it's been reissued recently, originally titled "Early ELO". The Alan Parson Project's second-to-last original studio album, "Stereotomy", was mixed with a non-Dolby, Quadraphonic- compatible surround-sound as well. Both ProArte and BMG Classics released a bunch of CDs between 1988 and 1992 in Dolby Surround. I have about 25 of these, but I don't have the full sets. (I'm looking for the last of the 6 Tomita Dolby CDs, the "best of.." which was the "A" in "TOMITA".) All of Henry Mancini's albums that he recorded from 1988 until his death were recorded for Dolby Surround. I have a couple of them, as well as the glow-in-the-dark monster promo. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 29 19:37:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69307 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 02:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 02:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 02:37:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 02:37:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 02:37:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 02:37:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 258 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.216.101.2 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Clear Channel to Dismantle Media Empire X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215058239 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 According to today's Wall Street Journal, Clear Channel is spinning off its entertainment division and an initial public offering of ten percent of its outdoor advertising unit. Could the 1,200+ radio stations be next? 73, Jeff Deck http://meduci.com From w6yn@juno.com Fri Apr 29 19:54:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27382 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 02:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 02:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 02:54:12 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBHF63AA3PWMC2 for (sender ); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:53:20 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLAuWwLGSs6Ap/cVpRzl8GlY= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KRS7C4ZZ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:52:25 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:51:10 -0700 Message-ID: <20050429.195115.3688.13.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-14 X-ContentStamp: 5:2:497821509 X-MAIL-INFO:2e70c1c19939911079a5ddb9e5c001c0597459d97549d975 X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Clear Channel to Dismantle Media Empire X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn It's well known that carrying Air America Radio cost them listeners big time, but this is ridiculous. Don On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 02:37:01 -0000 "jeffdeck2001" writes: > According to today's Wall Street Journal, Clear Channel is spinning > off > its entertainment division and an initial public offering of ten > percent of its outdoor advertising unit. Could the 1,200+ radio > stations be next? > > 73, > Jeff Deck > http://meduci.com From starship_2001@msn.com Sat Apr 30 03:47:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28230 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 10:47:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 10:47:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 10:47:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 03:47:38 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.208 by BAY106-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:47:37 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:47:37 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2005 10:47:38.0293 (UTC) FILETIME=[06A3B650:01C54D72] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: XM 6 Retro casts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 I have the SkyFi 2 and the built in FM Transmitter sends to all my FM radio= s in the house. My analog radios will not be going obsolete anytime soon. = Oh and it does have that third memory preset bank !!!! And all filled !!!! -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie Sent: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:32:15 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: XM 6 Retro casts --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > In case anyone it interested in retro radio broadcasts,=20 recreations > XM channel 6 (60's Decades Channel) does retro re creations of famous > oldies, Rock and rock stations of the 1960's with requests.. Right=20 I'm an XM subscriber. :) 50's on 5 does similar retro stuff, too, with somew good talent. (Cool Bobby B.'s Doo-Wop Stop brings out some excellent, little-heard=20 doo-wop. :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (All 20 of my SkyFi's presets are filled- Wish it had a third bank,=20 because I know I could add more easily. :) ) Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Links From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Apr 30 16:23:21 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Apr 30 16:25:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73797 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 23:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 23:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 23:25:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 23:25:12 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.219] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 23:25:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:25:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 139 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.45.50 From: "Dave" Subject: Kiwa MW loop on Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I have decided to sell my Kiwa loop on ebay. Most will know on here what a classic good performer it is etc. http://tinyurl.com/d667g From tomray@wor710.com Sun May 01 08:03:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48378 invoked from network); 1 May 2005 15:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2005 15:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2005 15:03:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2005 15:03:14 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.218] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2005 15:03:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 15:03:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 702 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: IBOC AM and Sporting Events X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas" wrote: > Because of an 8 second delay when using IBOC, stations covering sporting events will > have to revert to analog during those events. Stations do not *HAVE* to revert to analog during sporting events. What it then comes down to is, do you play to 10,000 persons in the stands, of which maybe 300 have brought radios with them, or do you play to the 250,000 listeners NOT at the game? The 300 at the game don't pay the bills. And you can never fully sync with television.....the delay on cable is different than the delay on DirecTV, which is different than the delay picking it up directly off of C-Band. Tom Ray WOR From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun May 01 08:48:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93850 invoked from network); 1 May 2005 15:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2005 15:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2005 15:48:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2005 15:48:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2005 15:48:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 15:48:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 135 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.12.116.196 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: IBOC AM and Sporting Events X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 Conceivably, as the technology improves, could one eventually get to the point where digital will be 'real time' like analog? --Tony From tomray@wor710.com Sun May 01 12:01:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8262 invoked from network); 1 May 2005 19:01:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2005 19:01:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2005 19:01:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2005 19:01:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2005 19:01:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 19:01:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 642 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: IBOC AM and Sporting Events X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > Conceivably, as the technology improves, could one eventually get to > the point where digital will be 'real time' like analog? > > --Tony I imagine it would. THe 8.7 seconds is due to the error correction and processing of such. I bet as processing power gets faster and more powerful, the digital could be real close to real time. The new console/routing system we just put in at our new facility has a delay time that is so small that it is extremely hard to detect. Of course, there is no error correction with the system, but it appears it can be done. TR From rwagoner@cox.net Sun May 01 12:15:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23245 invoked from network); 1 May 2005 19:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2005 19:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.241.34) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2005 19:15:12 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050501191512.MMKD8651.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 15:15:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <0ea7f2d0864a9c9baff773e2962c94d8@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 12:15:11 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC AM and Sporting Events X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner As shown by ratings in LA, no one listens to sports on the radio=20 anyway. Other areas may differ. 610 KFRC/San Francisco is gone. XTRA is going away. AM is dead. Long=20 live satellite. On May 1, 2005, at 12:01 PM, Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > Conceivably, as the technology improves, could one eventually get to > > the point where digital will be 'real time' like analog? > > > > --Tony > > I imagine it would.=A0 THe 8.7 seconds is due to the error correction > and processing of such.=A0 I bet as processing power gets faster and > more powerful, the digital could be real close to real time. > > The new console/routing system we just put in at our new facility has > a delay time that is so small that it is extremely hard to detect.=A0 Of > course, there is no error correction with the system, but it appears > it can be done. > > TR > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun May 01 12:49:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9478 invoked from network); 1 May 2005 19:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2005 19:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2005 19:49:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 May 2005 12:49:57 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by BAY106-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 01 May 2005 19:49:56 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 19:49:55 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2005 19:49:57.0100 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3B162C0:01C54E86] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC AM and Sporting Events X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Richard in California wrote: -----Original Message----- As shown by ratings in LA, no one listens to sports on the radio=20 anyway. Other areas may differ. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I may be an anomoly, but I've been listening to MLB on xm radio, The New Yo= rk Yankees, the Toronto Blue Jays and the Devil Rays. It's interesting when listeing to the Toronto home games to hear the Canadi= an ads, i.e. Roger's communications etc. Donn, latitude 27.761 north From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun May 01 14:15:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97130 invoked from network); 1 May 2005 21:15:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2005 21:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2005 21:15:01 -0000 X-Node: 2 Received: from stodd (modem0436-pli-tnt-mpls1.cpinternet.com [64.61.218.182]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j41LEwDF010836 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 16:14:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004a01c54e93$87b3e540$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20050429030513.2BA9486B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 16:19:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: Apollo 100 {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Make that three people looking for that Apollo 100 album. Heard a few other cuts being used as show themes on various radio programs over the years. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Arnold" > Hi, Kevin... > I just noticed a brand new (this month) CD release from Repertoire (Germany) > while on eBay, since I, too, have been looking for a similar compilation > of Apollo 100 on CD and forgot until your recent posting: > < > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4722487705&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW > > > It may not have ALL the tracks from the "Joy" LP, but I'm sure it > has most of them...30 tracks in all... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin T." > > Anyway, the full Apollo 100 album has never been released on CD, at > > least to my knowledge; their hit song "Joy" can be found on several > > compilation CDs, but that's it. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 01 19:25:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55526 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 02:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2005 02:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 02:25:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 02:25:35 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.215] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 02:25:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 02:25:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1223 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.19.93 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: IBOC AM and Sporting Events X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > Conceivably, as the technology improves, could one eventually get to > the point where digital will be 'real time' like analog? Not quite in the literal sense, but close enough to the point the difference would be unnoticable. How close? About 6 samples' worth. The time it takes for a sample to be sampled, encoded, transmitted, received, decoded and desampled. Add to that, lightspeed delay. The tradeoff? Error correction. This was first publicly brought up back when CDs were introduced, in which data was sampled, encoded and so forth in terms of frames- Yes, video frames. This allowed for reasonable error correction. Unfortunately, it doesn't work as well under broadcast conditions, instead of the linearity of discs, which could be read ahead. (MPEG audio works in frames, too, which does allow for near-realtime decoding and encoding. However, most of the errors occur in transmission, even on the internet.) Simply speaking, radio is an imperfect medium to transmit digitally. It's noisy. It has to overcome the effects of multipath. This is why IBOC is "good" at multipath- BIG error-correction buffer. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From mark_608@hotmail.com Mon May 02 08:02:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39370 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 15:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2005 15:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.175.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 15:01:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 May 2005 08:01:59 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.175.202 by by104fd.bay104.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 May 2005 15:01:58 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 11:01:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2005 15:01:59.0171 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3A86530:01C54F27] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.175.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Mark Sundquist" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Quad, QSound, and BASE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 >From: "Kevin T." >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: Quad, QSound, and BASE >Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:01:02 -0000 >...Madonna and Sting each released one QSound >album in the early '90s ("Immaculate Collection" and "Soul Cages", >respectively), and most of the albums by country singer Suzy Bogguss >were recorded with BASE from about 1989 to 1994. So this is why the songs from the Immaculate Collection sound different! In particular, I noticed "Borderline" sounded strange, but I could not quite put my finger on what it was... Mark Warren, MI From mark_608@hotmail.com Mon May 02 08:06:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57718 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 15:05:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2005 15:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.175.34) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 15:05:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 May 2005 08:05:08 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.175.202 by by104fd.bay104.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 May 2005 15:05:07 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 11:05:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2005 15:05:08.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[54530420:01C54F28] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.175.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Mark Sundquist" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: XM 6 Retro casts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 >From: "Amy Mousie" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: XM 6 Retro casts >Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:32:15 -0000 > >(All 20 of my SkyFi's presets are filled- Wish it had a third bank, >because I know I could add more easily. :) ) Heh, I gave up on trying to use the presets for that very reason and I just use the direct tune feature instead. (Of course this requires memorizing the channel numbers...not too hard for the Decades channels... :) ) Mark Warren, MI From mrcomment@yahoo.com Mon May 02 10:09:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46288 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 17:08:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2005 17:08:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 17:08:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 17:08:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.61] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 17:07:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 17:07:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1025 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.167.151.193 From: "mrcomment" Subject: Re: IBOC AM and Sporting Events X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338 X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > Conceivably, as the technology improves, could one eventually get to > > the point where digital will be 'real time' like analog? > > > > --Tony > > I imagine it would. THe 8.7 seconds is due to the error correction > and processing of such. I bet as processing power gets faster and > more powerful, the digital could be real close to real time. > > The new console/routing system we just put in at our new facility has > a delay time that is so small that it is extremely hard to detect. Of > course, there is no error correction with the system, but it appears > it can be done. > > TR Wrong again Mr. Ray. The 8 second delay is set by the interleaver and is fixed. The only way to make it faster is to change the interleaver length which would obsolete the millions... oops... thousands ... oops ... hundreds ...oops... dozens of receivers already out there. From badeditpro@cox.net Mon May 02 14:58:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62453 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 21:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2005 21:58:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.57) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 21:58:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n28.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 21:58:07 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.223] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 21:58:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 21:58:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1816 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: Quad, QSound, and BASE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions -- > So this is why the songs from the Immaculate Collection sound different! In=20 > particular, I noticed "Borderline" sounded strange, but I could not quite=20 > put my finger on what it was... >=20 > Mark > Warren, MI Yeah, that thing is total crap!. I wish that they had simply put out a discrete stereo CD that had the single versions of Madonna's hits on it. Those are hard to find anymore and it is hard to work up any sort of definitive collection. Fortunately, the single versions of those songs are available on TM Century Gold Discs so if you are lucky enough to have access to one of those libraries, you can get good copies. Also, it really bothers me when record companies screw up the songs when they release them in a greatest hits collection. I want the original single masters of the tunes and not album versions or re-mixes. Sting's greatest hits CD is like that with re-mixes of some of his biggest hits that never appeared anywhere before. There are a few exceptions, though. Like Thomas Dolby's "She Blinded Me With Science," Most radio stations played the extended mix of that tune and not the version that appeared on 45 which is wimpy in comparison. I hate any sort of multi-channel audio=85 The only place it works is in a big theater. Most of the home systems I've heard are able to get plenty loud but there's no punch at all. Besides Surround Sound for music is kinda stupid. Why? Because when was the last time you went to a concert and sat up on stage right in the middle of the musicians? No, you sat in front of them and you were not interested in any sound coming from behind you. No thank you. I'll take good discrete two channel stereo I can hear with good headphones or a set of high compliance, full-frequency speakers without any of this sub-woofer nonsense=85 : ) JC From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 02 18:50:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62269 invoked from network); 3 May 2005 01:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2005 01:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2005 01:50:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2005 01:50:03 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.220] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2005 01:50:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 01:50:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 827 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.92.7 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: Quad, QSound, and BASE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > So this is why the songs from the Immaculate Collection sound > different! In particular, I noticed "Borderline" sounded strange, > but I could not quite put my finger on what it was... QSound definitely has left-to-right separation of the rear-channel audio, so they best way to hear it would be through either a vintage matrixed quadraphonic system (SQ or QS, I dunno which one would work better), or through a Dolby Pro Logic II decoder. An index of QSound-encoded CDs can be found here: http://www.qsound.com/2002/spotlight/main2a.asp And although I don't know what format was used to create it, but BBMak's 1999 album "Sooner Or Later" is definitely surround-sound encoded, with left-to-right separation of the rear channel audio. It's not on the QSound album list, so maybe it's BASE or even Dolby Surround. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 02 19:03:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47702 invoked from network); 3 May 2005 02:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2005 02:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.58) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2005 02:03:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2005 02:03:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2005 02:03:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 02:03:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1303 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.92.7 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Quad, QSound, and BASE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Also, it really bothers me when record companies screw up > the songs when they release them in a greatest hits collection. > I want the original single masters of the tunes and not album > versions or re-mixes. While that Madonna album happens to be an exception for me, because I personally enjoy the remixes and the surround-sound effect, I can agree that most re-mixed or re-recorded versions of songs are not as good as the originals. The absolute worst are the bargain-basement "Greatest Hits" CDs by el-cheapo record companies like K-Tel, which disclaim in tiny print "All selections are new stereo re-recordings." In other words, you get to hear singers valiantly trying to sound the same as they did 20, 30, or 40 years ago, often straining to reach the same high notes through a now well-age-worn voice, and with less capable musicians and singers backing them up, too. The best of these re-recordings are merely okay, while the worst are downright laughable because they're so pathetic. For example, on the Internet you can find a "Rare STEREO Version" of Percy Sledge's "When a Man Loves a Woman", but while it is in stereo, it's a re-recording that was done decades after the original, and needless to say ol' Percy's vocal range definitely isn't what it used to be. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon May 02 20:17:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67640 invoked from network); 3 May 2005 03:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2005 03:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2005 03:17:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2005 03:17:24 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.223] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2005 03:17:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 03:17:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 808 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.120.215.27 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Quad, QSound, and BASE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: > I hate any sort of multi-channel audio=85 The only place it works is in > a big theater. Most of the home systems I've heard are able to get > plenty loud but there's no punch at all. Besides Surround Sound for > music is kinda stupid. Why? Because when was the last time you went > to a concert and sat up on stage right in the middle of the musicians? > No, you sat in front of them and you were not interested in any sound > coming from behind you. No thank you. I'll take good discrete two > channel stereo I can hear with good headphones or a set of high > compliance, full-frequency speakers without any of this sub-woofer > nonsense=85 "And all oldies should be played in mono, the way it was intended!" :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From badeditpro@cox.net Mon May 02 23:36:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44396 invoked from network); 3 May 2005 06:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2005 06:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2005 06:36:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2005 06:35:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2005 06:35:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 06:35:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3057 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: Quad, QSound, and BASE/Stereo vs. Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions > "And all oldies should be played in mono, the way it was intended!" >=20 > :) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Hey now, I don't take it that far! If you want to get technical about it, every hit up until 1970 was released on 45 in mono=85 Record companies released both mono and stereo versions of the albums, too.=20 The mono versions were mostly just the stereo mixes without separation so there's no trouble playing the stereo version on the radio and calling it an original recording. There are some exceptions. Many of the biggest Motown hits were very different when mixed for stereo LP's. But, most people remember the stereo version from the old Drake-Chanault format stations of the early 70's. They played the stereo version of those songs and they became generally excepted as the definitive masters when compiling libraries for radio stations.=20 There are many songs that didn't come out in stereo form until the advent of the CD in the early 80's. My rule of thumb is this: I will except any stereo mix of any song from any era as long as it sounds like the original single sounds when the stereo version is played back in mono.=20=20 You gotta take it on a song by song basis when deciding what version to include. Examples: "Joy To The World" by Three Dog Night is available in a nice stereo mix on most LP's and greatest hits collections but I prefer the mono single version because it is a slightly different mix that features a guitar solo not heard on the LP version. Conversely, I prefer the longer stereo version of Blood, Sweat and Tears' "Spinning Wheel" even though it a entirely different version of the song. Many of the stations that played B, S & T at the time switched over to the stereo album version as soon as it was available to them. This was when radio was starting to get a little more `progressive.' and a lot of album versions were getting airplay even on traditional AM Top 40 stations. A couple more example are "Dream Weaver" by Gary Wright and "Wildfire" by Michael Murphy. Both of those songs are preferable in longer form as well as "I'm Not In Love" by 10cc. Many 80's songs are the other way around, though. I'd rather play the single versions of "Rosanna" by Toto, "Everytime You Go Away" by Paul Young and "I've Been In Love Before" By The Cutting Crew for example. A few songs like, "One Night In Bangkok" By Murray Head, "Safety Dance by Men Without Hats and "Rock Me Amadeus" by Falco were radio hits based on special extended remixes that appeared on 12" singles.=20 You have to dig a little deeper to find good copies of those these days but it's well worth the effort so you'll have the authentic radio versions of those hits.. My goal is to have the most recognizable version of any particular hit. That gets tricky when you take into account that there is sometimes as many as five different versions of some songs floating around out there. The best way to make absolutely sure you've got the right one is to listen to air-checks from when it first appeared and go from there in your search. :)=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue May 03 07:32:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70634 invoked from network); 3 May 2005 14:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2005 14:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14221.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2005 14:32:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 29448 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2005 14:30:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050503143057.29446.qmail@web14221.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web14221.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 May 2005 07:30:57 PDT Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 07:30:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 66.163.171.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John P." Subject: Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio United Artists Records issued two different versions of the classic "Baker Street" by Gerry Rafferty - the single/radio/45 version is noticeably speeded-up increasing the pitch and instrumental portions of the song edited-out, as was his follow-up single "Right Down the Line". I concur with JC about the 10cc classic "I'm Not in Love" having the better version on the LP, as well as the LP version over the single version of "Sara" by Fleetwood Mac. Last but not least, the ultimate worst 'edit' I've ever heard on a single is on the song "While You See A Chance" by Steve Winwood. In an attempt to make his 5 minute song a shorter hit single they cut out the middle of the song and 'splice' it back in as he's finishing hitting a high note - very noticable, and most of us could make a better edit with a minidisc recorder ourselves! He belts out a shrill 'eeeeee' like he just got hit where it counts. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue May 03 08:21:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20249 invoked from network); 3 May 2005 15:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2005 15:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2005 15:21:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2005 15:20:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2005 15:17:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 15:17:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 559 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.75.227.85 From: "Anthony" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Quad, QSound, and BASE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > QSound definitely has left-to-right separation of the rear-channel > audio, so they best way to hear it would be through either a vintage > matrixed quadraphonic system Would the way that QSound works create additional "effects" on LR and RR?? Also, going through the messages on www.broadcast.net (I'm not on the list but have been following the stuff), some expressed that QSound had adverse effect on the L-R component of FM Stereo....Does anyone know if there is any data or experiences on how QSound behaves with the L-R of C-QUAM?? --Tony From mark_608@hotmail.com Tue May 03 10:24:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6069 invoked from network); 3 May 2005 17:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2005 17:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.175.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2005 17:24:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 May 2005 10:25:36 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.175.202 by by104fd.bay104.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 May 2005 17:25:35 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050503143057.29446.qmail@web14221.mail.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:25:35 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2005 17:25:36.0189 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E36BED0:01C55005] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.175.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Mark Sundquist" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 >From: "John P." >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics >Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 07:30:57 -0700 (PDT) > >United Artists Records issued two different versions of the classic "Baker >Street" by Gerry Rafferty - the single/radio/45 version is noticeably >speeded-up increasing the pitch and instrumental portions of the song >edited-out, as was his follow-up single "Right Down the Line". So that's where that "speeded-up" version of Baker Street came from. There is an FM station out of Port Huron, MI(WGRT-102.3) that carries an ABC satellite format that I have listened to over the years and I always wondered where they got the crappy playing-too-fast version of Baker Street. Another mystery solved. :) My wife thinks I am a nut when it comes to this kind of thing, noticing different edits and versions of songs that come on the radio. I have tried to train her...when "Spooky" comes on I will say "Quick...is this the Classics IV version or the Atlanta Rhythm Section version?" She will roll her eyes...then I will give a small lecture about how a couple of members of the Classics IV were in Atlanta Rhythm Section..that's when I really lose her! Then I play a game I call "The Six Degrees of Dan Seals" where I explain how "England Dan" from England Dan and John Ford Coley is really Dan Seals...and he is the brother of James Seals from Seals and Crofts...hee, hee.... Mark Warren,MI From badeditpro@cox.net Tue May 03 12:28:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96841 invoked from network); 3 May 2005 19:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2005 19:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.240.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2005 19:28:43 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.0.17.189]) by lakermmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050503192841.NPFM11036.lakermmtao01.cox.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 15:28:41 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c55016$4a25a1d0$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:28:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: "While You See A Chance" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, I had a single copy of Steve Winwoods song "While You See A Chance" and I know it ran the full five minutes so the edited version you are talking about must have been released to radio only or maybe they re-issued the 45 at full length and that was the one I ended up with... "Baker Street" is another smog where the long version is much preferred. As a matter of fact, I don';t ever remember hearing that awful single that was speeded up and had a double-tracked vocal on any of my local stations when it came out. I have only heard that version a few times ever. One of my favorite songs ever... and hard to find in the single edit -- is "Rise" by Herb Alpert. The single is most definitely the better version... If you have ever have the chance to compare the album version and the single version, you'll notice that the long version has no punch at all, musically. They must have cut out every other bar! Hey Mark, Don't worry to much about your sanity... You are not alone in this stuff. I have been doing it for years and years now. I drive people crazy with it sometimes, too! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bradleyj2@aol.com Tue May 03 15:45:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30906 invoked from network); 3 May 2005 22:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2005 22:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2005 22:45:51 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.78.726b4129 (15877) for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 18:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-R37 (fwm-r37.webmail.aol.com [152.163.181.141]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e054277ff166c; Tue, 03 May 2005 18:45:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 18:45:42 -0400 Message-Id: <8C71E48F89012AC-3A0-267E@FWM-R37.sysops.aol.com> Received: from 216.108.210.98 by FWM-R37.sysops.aol.com (152.163.181.141) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 03 May 2005 18:45:42 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.12281 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.141 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK...Here's a question for everyone...Modern English...I melt with you. Here at WKMX our version on both the TM Century and Jones CD's is mono...And when I worked at WGRL in Indianapolis it was mono as well. Considering this song is from the early 1980's, was it recorded in stereo ever? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sundquist To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:25:35 -0400 Subject: RE: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics >From: "John P." >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics >Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 07:30:57 -0700 (PDT) > >United Artists Records issued two different versions of the classic "Baker >Street" by Gerry Rafferty - the single/radio/45 version is noticeably >speeded-up increasing the pitch and instrumental portions of the song >edited-out, as was his follow-up single "Right Down the Line". So that's where that "speeded-up" version of Baker Street came from. There is an FM station out of Port Huron, MI(WGRT-102.3) that carries an ABC satellite format that I have listened to over the years and I always wondered where they got the crappy playing-too-fast version of Baker Street. Another mystery solved. :) My wife thinks I am a nut when it comes to this kind of thing, noticing different edits and versions of songs that come on the radio. I have tried to train her...when "Spooky" comes on I will say "Quick...is this the Classics IV version or the Atlanta Rhythm Section version?" She will roll her eyes...then I will give a small lecture about how a couple of members of the Classics IV were in Atlanta Rhythm Section..that's when I really lose her! Then I play a game I call "The Six Degrees of Dan Seals" where I explain how "England Dan" from England Dan and John Ford Coley is really Dan Seals...and he is the brother of James Seals from Seals and Crofts...hee, hee.... Mark Warren,MI Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 03 16:39:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22059 invoked from network); 3 May 2005 23:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2005 23:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2005 23:39:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2005 23:39:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2005 23:39:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 23:39:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1447 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.67.9 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Quad, QSound, and BASE/Stereo vs. Mono X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Many 80's songs are the other way around, though. I'd rather play > the single versions of "Rosanna" by Toto, "Everytime You Go Away" > by Paul Young and "I've Been In Love Before" By The Cutting Crew > for example. Unless you come across the original 45 RPM single, it's often a headache to find the correct single/radio edit of many '80s hits. It's easy to find most of the albums on CD, but then you get the album versions of the songs, which are often drastically longer, and just don't sound right because they're not what was played on the radio when these songs were new. For example, I finally gave up trying to find the single version of the 1989 Mike + The Mechanics hit "The Living Years", and used some tedious editing to make my own single version based on what I recall it sounded like. Another one that's elusive is the radio version of Whitney Houston's "I Will Always Love You", in which she holds the final note at a constant pitch as the song ends. The album version is 99% the same, except she sings the final "...you" as 3 or 4 different pitches, and it just doesn't sound correct. There's an even rarer radio edit which cuts out the acapella first verse and just jumps in with the "...And I" when the music starts. One more example: UB40's "Red Red Wine". It's totally pot-luck whether any particular compilation CD (or MP3 download) will give you the full-reggae, half-reggae, or no-reggae version! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 03 17:04:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62643 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 00:04:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 00:04:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 00:04:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 00:04:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 00:04:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 00:04:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 867 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.67.9 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: Quad, QSound, and BASE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Also, going through the messages on www.broadcast.net (I'm not on > the list but have been following the stuff), some expressed that > QSound had adverse effect on the L-R component of FM Stereo....Does > anyone know if there is any data or experiences on how QSound > behaves with the L-R of C-QUAM?? The concerns about the increased L-R level caused by QSound producing excessive multipath in FM Stereo reception don't apply to AM Stereo. In fact, the Optimod 9100 works it magic by using matrix processing to purposely create increased density in the L-R component. That's what gives AM Stereo its "jumps out at you" stereo effect, versus FM Stereo's rather flat-sounding stereo separation. So basically, AM Stereo is much more compatible with any matrixed surround sound format (SQ/QS Quadraphonic, Dolby Surround, QSound, BASE, etc.) than FM Stereo. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue May 03 17:19:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10888 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 00:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 00:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 00:19:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 May 2005 17:19:54 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.201 by BAY101-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 04 May 2005 00:19:54 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 20:19:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2005 00:19:54.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[FEF2DA10:01C5503E] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Quad, QSound, and BASE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: >So basically, AM Stereo is much more compatible with any matrixed surround sound format (SQ/QS Quadraphonic, Dolby Surround, QSound, BASE, etc.) than FM Stereo. At night, C-QUAM will give you a "circular" sounding platform motion making the sound stage travel in circles around your head. Kahn ISB will give you front to back platform motion. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue May 03 17:20:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35106 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 00:20:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 00:20:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 00:20:59 -0000 X-Node: 2 Received: from stodd (modem0203-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.203]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j440KudJ027870 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 19:20:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003a01c5503f$da22c280$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 19:25:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Quad, QSound, and BASE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Kinda defeats the purpose of our promoting AM stereo, doesn't it? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" "And all oldies should be played in mono, the way it was intended!" From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 03 17:47:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68803 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 00:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 00:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 00:47:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 00:47:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 00:47:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 00:47:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004a01c54e93$87b3e540$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 404 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.67.9 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Apollo 100 {AMSF} Re: bad-sounding Oldies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics BTW, one thing to add to the list of bad-sounding Oldies is anything ever recorded by Barry Manilow. On all of his hits, his voice is so thin, reverb-y, and pushed back in the mix that he sounds like he's singing from the end of a hallway in back of the musicians. I don't know if Barry wanted it that way, but he never had an "up-close" sound that would've made his music much more listenable. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 03 18:11:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74090 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 01:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 01:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 01:11:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 01:11:33 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.220] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 01:11:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 01:11:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8C71E48F89012AC-3A0-267E@FWM-R37.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 549 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.120.215.27 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, bradleyj2@a... wrote: > OK...Here's a question for everyone...Modern English...I melt with you. Here at WKMX our version on both the TM Century and Jones CD's is mono...And when I worked at WGRL in Indianapolis it was mono as well. Considering this song is from the early 1980's, was it recorded in stereo ever? It was indeed mixed to mono deliberately, and was issued that way even on the original British releases. The STEREO mix was released in 1991, when ME signed with TVT Records. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 03 18:27:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27185 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 01:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 01:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 01:27:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 01:26:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 01:26:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 01:26:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8C71E48F89012AC-3A0-267E@FWM-R37.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 731 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.67.9 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > OK...Here's a question for everyone...Modern English...I melt with > you. Here at WKMX our version on both the TM Century and Jones CD's > is mono...And when I worked at WGRL in Indianapolis it was mono as > well. Considering this song is from the early 1980's, was it > recorded in stereo ever? Yes.... in fact, I'd be interested to hear the mono version of "Melt With You", because I've only ever heard it in stereo, even on the radio. I have two versions of it, both in stereo: one which I presume is the original 1983 mix, and another which is a 1990 remix. The remix has more distinct stereo effects, but I prefer the original mix because it doesn't have that cheezy early '90s "Milli Vanilli" kind of sound to it. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 03 18:29:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51613 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 01:29:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 01:29:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 01:29:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 01:29:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 01:29:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 01:29:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003a01c5503f$da22c280$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1520 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.120.215.27 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Quad, QSound, and BASE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Kinda defeats the purpose of our promoting AM stereo, doesn't it? Indeed, and is the point of why I said it. :) I could go on and on about the merits between mono/stereo/surround, and certainly I'll argue against anything saying that music should be such-and-such, "the way it's intended". It's a matter of taste for both the artists & producers, and the listener, but to be blunt, even straight two-channel stereo sound is not a true binsaural mix. MOST DON'T KNOW WHAT TRUE BINAURAL AUDIO SOUNDS LIKE! Moist of what you hear is mixed across channels for purely artistic purposes! This is not to say it's "bad"; on the contrary- Just like the music itself, it's ARTISTIC, and nothing more. I'm iffy on some of the surround sound mixes, unless they were actually intrended by the performers & producers, themselves. I've listened to alot of recordings in surround. It doesn't bother me. It doesn't bother me when, for artistic reasons, someone records mono, such as Modern English's "I Melt With You", although they DID remix it for stereo a decade later. (Appears on their CD album, "Pillow Lips".) If there is a stereo version, great! I prefer it. But I won't say that a stereo version of a mono hit is "wrong", or that a quad/surround version of a stereo hit is "wrong"- They're just different experiences. :) Now, don't get me started on the DACD/DVD Audio thing, though! I do think that's overkill. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimbo@burgan.net Tue May 03 19:47:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66528 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 02:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 02:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 02:47:25 -0000 Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j442lNFT019707 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:47:23 -0400 X-ORBL: [68.22.243.241] Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-241.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.241]) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with SMTP id j442lIY5189888 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:47:23 -0400 Message-ID: <004a01c55053$999f0390$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 21:47:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Quad, QSound, and BASE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Also, going through the messages on www.broadcast.net (I'm not on the > list but have been following the stuff), some expressed that QSound > had adverse effect on the L-R component of FM Stereo....Does anyone > know if there is any data or experiences on how QSound behaves with > the L-R of C-QUAM?? I remember reading an article in 1990 about Q-Sound and problems with both FM multiplex and C-Quam stereo. There were some major issues there but I can't even remember the magazine with the story. I just remember the time was 1990. It was probably in R&R 'cause that was the only trade magazine I regularly read at the time. I wanted to mention this earlier but since my memory of the article is so vague, I didn't want to embarrass myself. I remember the article mentioned Madonna's Immaculate Collection (and others). I don't remember what they were, but there were definite 'issues' with Q Sound and FM Multiplex and C-Quam. -Jim- From jimbo@burgan.net Tue May 03 19:52:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55976 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 02:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 02:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 02:52:37 -0000 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j442qPFT026273 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:52:25 -0400 X-ORBL: [68.22.243.241] Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-241.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.241]) by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with SMTP id j442qPkb130798 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:52:25 -0400 Message-ID: <004e01c55054$4df1bbd0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <8C71E48F89012AC-3A0-267E@FWM-R37.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 21:52:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > OK...Here's a question for everyone...Modern English...I melt with you. > Here at WKMX our version on both the TM Century and Jones CD's is > mono...And when I worked at WGRL in Indianapolis it was mono as well. > Considering this song is from the early 1980's, was it recorded in stereo > ever? I never noticed, Brad but I'll check it out tomorrow (we have the album) and post results here. Surely they wouldn't release a mono track well into the 80's. BTW: I was going to look up this song in Mr Whitburn's Top 40 book, but the song isn't listed. "Was I Melt With You" an AC hit only, to the point where it didn't crack the Hot 100's Top 40? From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 03 20:13:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92929 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 03:13:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 03:13:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 03:13:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 03:13:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 03:13:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 03:13:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004e01c55054$4df1bbd0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 293 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.120.215.27 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > "Was I Melt With You" an AC hit only, to the point where it didn't crack the > Hot 100's Top 40? It just barely scraped into the Top 40 (I think it was in the 30s), but was a Top 5 hit in the UK. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kya1260@lycos.com Tue May 03 21:09:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52850 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 04:09:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 04:09:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 04:09:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 0825E180013E for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 04:09:06 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 4 May 2005 04:09:05 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B46C186B11; Wed, 4 May 2005 04:09:05 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [68.125.55.118] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Tue, 03 May 2005 20:09:05 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 20:09:05 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050504040905.B46C186B11@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ In April 1983, "I Melt With You" on Sire hit #78 on Billboard=20 and #68 on Cash Box; the re-release on TVT Records (which Joel=20 Whitburn's Top Pop Singles book calls a "new recording" of=20 the 1983 original) reached #76 and #75 on Billboard and Cash=20 Box, respectively, in June 1990. Neither single reached the=20 Billboard Adult Contemporary charts... We have that song at KVYN 99.3; I'll hafta listen to see if it's mono or stereo...never thought of it until these recent postings... --jay =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classi= cs Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 03:13:37 -0000 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > > > "Was I Melt With You" an AC hit only, to the point where it didn't > crack the > > Hot 100's Top 40? >=20 > It just barely scraped into the Top 40 (I think it was in the 30s), but > was a Top 5 hit in the UK. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 03 21:41:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87208 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 04:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 04:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 04:41:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 04:41:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 04:41:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 04:41:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004a01c55053$999f0390$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 946 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.67.9 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: Quad, QSound, and BASE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I remember reading an article in 1990 about Q-Sound and problems > with both FM multiplex and C-Quam stereo. The only significant problem with playing a QSound track on an AM Stereo station would be the cancellation effects for mono listeners. QSound (and other matrixed surround-sound systems) intentionally uses partially- or completely out-of-phase audio to create its rear-channel effects, so when listening in mono, these sounds either become drastically reduced in level or cancel out completely. Some people are very much against matrixed surround-sound systems because of this problem -- lack of full mono compatibility. Of course, even regular stereo recordings lose some of their audio content when heard in mono, but when recording music in surround- sound, there is the temptation to place lead vocals or lead instruments in the rear channels, which would be very bad for anyone attempting to listen to that song in mono. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 03 21:50:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43429 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 04:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 04:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.57) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 04:50:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n28.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 04:50:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 04:50:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 04:50:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 519 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.67.9 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: SACD / DVD Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Now, don't get me started on the SACD/DVD Audio thing, though! No need to... nobody's buying that stuff anyway! The small single rack of SACD and DVD Audio discs at Best Buy reminds me of the rack of Atari video game cartridges at Toys 'R' Us, circa early '90s... a tattered, unorganized collection of media which customers just pass by and never stop to look at and choose from, as most people don't have the hardware necessary to use it, and even among those who do, they simply don't care for it anymore. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 03 21:55:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58128 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 04:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 04:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 04:55:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 04:55:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 04:55:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 04:55:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 449 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.67.9 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It just barely scraped into the Top 40 (I think it was in the 30s), > but was a Top 5 hit in the UK. On the U.S. Billboard Top 100, "I Melt With You" came in at number 78 in 1983, and then "I Met With You (New Version)" reached number 76 in 1990. Not exactly a blazing chart success, but it still does get decent airplay on AC, Hot AC, Adult CHR, and Classic Hits stations (and as you might expect, now also on "Jack FM" and his brethren). From jimbo@burgan.net Wed May 04 08:44:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14944 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 15:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 15:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) (207.115.63.98) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 15:44:12 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-241.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.241]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with SMTP id j44Fi7qi055574 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 11:44:11 -0400 Message-ID: <003001c550c0$1df4c2d0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 10:44:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 207.115.63.98 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > On the U.S. Billboard Top 100, "I Melt With You" came in at number 78 > in 1983, and then "I Met With You (New Version)" reached number 76 in > 1990. Not exactly a blazing chart success, but it still does get > decent airplay on AC, Hot AC, Adult CHR, and Classic Hits stations > (and as you might expect, now also on "Jack FM" and his brethren). That's why I asked. Our Hot AC has been playing it for years, yet it didn't crack the Top 40. This song must test VERY well to get all the airplay it gets. From bradleyj2@aol.com Wed May 04 09:06:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22466 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 16:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 16:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 16:06:00 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.1ea.3c120033 (16098) for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 12:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MBLK-M21 (mblk-m21.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.54]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID112-3ee24278f2d5332; Wed, 04 May 2005 12:05:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 12:05:41 -0400 Message-Id: <8C71EDA40FA0180-DDC-D200@MBLK-M21.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C71E48F89012AC-3A0-267E@FWM-R37.sysops.aol.com> <004e01c55054$4df1bbd0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> Received: from 216.108.210.98 by MBLK-M21.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.54) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 04 May 2005 12:05:40 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <004e01c55054$4df1bbd0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.12281 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.54 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The only reason I noticed it was mono at Susquehanna was because we had a little LCD screen that showed audio phase on the side of the board. And here at KMX it was playing and I noticed the Optimod L-R meter was nulled. I actually thought at first it was just mono on the Jones CD (Jones radio cd's have never sounded good to me...even when they used to be Broadcast Programming) but then out of curiosity I found the cut on the TM Century cd and it was still mono. For some reason I was thinking that the Stray Cats were the only band still recording mono in the 80's. Brad @ KMX -----Original Message----- From: Jim Burgan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 3 May 2005 21:52:26 -0500 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics > OK...Here's a question for everyone...Modern English...I melt with you. > Here at WKMX our version on both the TM Century and Jones CD's is > mono...And when I worked at WGRL in Indianapolis it was mono as well. > Considering this song is from the early 1980's, was it recorded in stereo > ever? I never noticed, Brad but I'll check it out tomorrow (we have the album) and post results here. Surely they wouldn't release a mono track well into the 80's. BTW: I was going to look up this song in Mr Whitburn's Top 40 book, but the song isn't listed. "Was I Melt With You" an AC hit only, to the point where it didn't crack the Hot 100's Top 40? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed May 04 16:34:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89297 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 23:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 23:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 23:34:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 23:33:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 23:33:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 23:33:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003001c550c0$1df4c2d0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1102 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.67.9 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That's why I asked. Our Hot AC has been playing it for years, yet > it didn't crack the Top 40. > This song must test VERY well to get all the airplay it gets. Anything more than a year or two old is judged more by how it tests with listeners than by how it did in the charts when it was new. This can include songs which didn't make the Billboard chart or weren't even released as singles at all. For example, there are three Billy Joel songs which were never released as singles, but yet have substantial radio airplay: "New York State Of Mind", "The Stranger", and "Scenes From an Italian Restaurant" (all of which are included on his official "Greatest Hits" compilation, even though they were never "hits" to begin with!). Same thing with a number of Beatles songs. For example, "Here Comes The Sun" gets played every day on stations all across the world (even in non-English-speaking countries), but if you look through Mr. Whitburn's archives of the Billboard Top 100 charts, it's not there -- although you'll find Richie Havens' cover version of it, which was a Top 20 hit in 1971. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed May 04 16:45:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38152 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 23:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 23:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.59) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 23:45:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n30.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 23:45:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 23:45:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 23:45:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8C71EDA40FA0180-DDC-D200@MBLK-M21.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 868 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.67.9 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > For some reason I was thinking that the Stray Cats were the only > band still recording mono in the 80's. If I remember correctly, "Freedom" by Wham! is mono, and was a #3 hit in 1985... or at least it was in mono when I last heard it on the radio. The most recent widely-played pop song in mono that I know of was "Praise You" by Fatboy Slim (#27 in 1999). The longer album version is in full stereo, and I believe there may also be an intermediate radio edit in stereo, but the most widely played short version of "Praise You" was released in mono -- and I mean _pure_ mono, not like "Rock This Town" which has a stereo reverb effect to it. And on the other side of this, I wonder what was the first stereo recording to become a hit? I'm thinking "Love Me Tender" by Elvis (#1 in 1956), but there may have been something more obscure before then. From bradleyj2@aol.com Wed May 04 17:14:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62407 invoked from network); 5 May 2005 00:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2005 00:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2005 00:14:41 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.67.4448199e (15901) for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 20:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MBLK-M04 (mblk-m04.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.37]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID94-3e1d4279656e149; Wed, 04 May 2005 20:14:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 20:14:39 -0400 Message-Id: <8C71F1E8FC6F269-6AC-F539@MBLK-M04.sysops.aol.com> Received: from 216.108.210.98 by MBLK-M04.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.37) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 04 May 2005 20:14:38 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.12281 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.37 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After reading your e-mail I checked... And you're right...Praise You *is* mono. Our version runs 3:20. And when I was in Indianapolis, our PD always said Lloyd Price "Stagger Lee" was the first top 40 single in stereo...hmmm Brad @ KMX -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 04 May 2005 23:45:16 -0000 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics > For some reason I was thinking that the Stray Cats were the only > band still recording mono in the 80's. If I remember correctly, "Freedom" by Wham! is mono, and was a #3 hit in 1985... or at least it was in mono when I last heard it on the radio. The most recent widely-played pop song in mono that I know of was "Praise You" by Fatboy Slim (#27 in 1999). The longer album version is in full stereo, and I believe there may also be an intermediate radio edit in stereo, but the most widely played short version of "Praise You" was released in mono -- and I mean _pure_ mono, not like "Rock This Town" which has a stereo reverb effect to it. And on the other side of this, I wonder what was the first stereo recording to become a hit? I'm thinking "Love Me Tender" by Elvis (#1 in 1956), but there may have been something more obscure before then. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 04 21:21:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86562 invoked from network); 5 May 2005 04:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2005 04:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2005 04:21:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2005 04:21:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2005 04:21:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 04:21:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8C71F1E8FC6F269-6AC-F539@MBLK-M04.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 463 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.120.215.27 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, bradleyj2@a... wrote: > And when I was in Indianapolis, our PD always said Lloyd Price "Stagger Lee" was the first top 40 single in stereo...hmmm It was not the first hit song recorded in stereo (there were a few in 1955), but the info is correct, literally-- It WAS the first STEREO 45 ever to reach the Top 40. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (1996's "Give Me A Little More Time" by UK singer Gabrielle was #1 in the UK, AND MONO.) From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu May 05 06:43:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89130 invoked from network); 5 May 2005 13:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2005 13:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2005 13:43:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2005 13:42:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2005 13:42:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 13:42:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 828 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.245.201.220 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > And on the other side of this, I wonder what was the first stereo > recording to become a hit? I'm thinking "Love Me Tender" by Elvis > (#1 in 1956), but there may have been something more obscure before > then. "Love Me Tender" was mono. In fact, Elvis was one of the last RCA artists to show up in true stereo because when RCA made the switch, he was in the army. According to the Rolling Stone Book of Rock Lists, the earliest stereo hits were from movies, which had stereo soundtracks before stereo records were introduced. Moonglow/ Theme from "Picnic" by Morris Stoloff (1956) springs immediately to mind. I think they also mentioned True Love by Bing Crosby and Grace Kelly, although I'm unimpressed by the "stereo" mix on the CD. From badeditpro@cox.net Thu May 05 06:44:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59808 invoked from network); 5 May 2005 13:44:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2005 13:44:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.240.34) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2005 13:44:23 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.0.17.189]) by lakermmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050505134333.CMVC13442.lakermmtao05.cox.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 09:43:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c55178$6da4a800$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:43:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: BOSS RADIO IS 40 TODAY! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Today is the 40th anniversary of the debut of 'Boss Radio' on KHJ in Los Angeles. Here is a short piece I wrote and posted on some trade web sites. about Boss Radio and it's validity even today... This article touched off a heated debate about the currnet state of radio and I thought you would enjoy it. :) JC MAKING RADIO 'BOSS' AGAIN Ok, I'm gonna really take the bull by the horns here. Many people today are fond of referring back to the early 50's when we speak of the winds of change that are blowing through the industry, Right? Well, I've been doing a little research. Here's what I've been able to come up with: TV hits the scene in the late 40's and radio starts losing it's big, national stars. The big time folks who do the syndicated network programming like Jack Benny, Lucile Ball, Bing Crosby and George Burns are moving to TV leaving radio with two major problems: The lack of good programming and the fact that people are tuning out to see on TV the stars they've come to love hearing on the radio. So, where does the solution to radio's problems come from? Two PD's knocking back drinks in a bar in 1953, watching folks drop money in the juke box to hear the same songs over and over again! Any idea how many records a juke box held in 1953? About 40. Bang-Zoom! The birth of Top 40 radio. The two guys were Todd Storz and Gordon McLendon. The first station to dump the network programming and feature live announcers and music most of the time was WTIX in New Orleans and it spread from there. Fast forward about ten years and radio once again is floundering again. This time it isn't the listeners tuning away as much as it is they aren't hanging around for very long. To quote Bill Drake: "I'm not being demeaning about {this}. But, they (radio stations) were overcommercialed, the disc jockeys were running off at the mouth, everybody thought that they were a 'star.' It had no momentum, it had no quickness to it and they were playing a lot of records that just weren't hits. And they thought that they could no do wrong. And they were wrong." Sound familiar? Who is Bill Drake? He was one of the pioneering programmers who came up with a streamlined, listener friendly more music/less talk approach to music radio. You'll notice I did not say 'less personality'; I said less talk.. There's a difference. Drake and his cohorts emphasized brevity and coached talent to make the most out an intro. Boy, did they ever make the most out an intro! Jocks were encouraged to talk TO listeners, get inside their heads, be friendly and unobtrusive while still providing maximum entertainment and useful information within the confines of the structured format. Listeners were constantly encouraged to call in with requests and for contests. The main purpose of this was to form a one-on-one bond with the talent, one listener at a time. It helped to build a strong core audience and made people feel like they were a part of the action. The new formatic approach to radio was called Boss Radio. It hit the air for the first time almost exactly 40 years ago on KHJ in LA. KHJ immediately flew to the top of the ratings and stayed there for years. Drake and his partners repeated this same success story, although somewhat indirectly as consultants, at a whole bunch of stations all over the country. One of the main things about the Boss format was its emphasis on short spot breaks. The maximum length of any spot break on KHJ was limited to 70 seconds. Yeah, that meant more breaks in an hour but they were short enough that folks would stick with the station and they were executed in a way that did not interrupt the flow of things. Advertisers got more bang for the buck because their ad was not lost among a whole string of spots, too. Spots were integrated into the show by doing many of them live and encouraging the sale of 30 second ads. Also, promos and other non-paying announcements were kept very short, like 15 seconds, and other imaging was equally brief. There was no 'station voice' per-see but the jocks themselves read the 'liners' over an intro, once again, integrating them into the show. The result was radio that was exciting, fast paced and attention getting. Each element was uniquely presented and it kept things sounding fresh because every jock would put his own 'spin' on its delivery. The Drake-Chenault company became infamous for their music formats that were widely distributed on reels of tape to client stations. It was a mix of current hits and what they called 'goldies.' It started at KHJ. They played the hits and a lot of cool recurrants there and the same strategy was implemented at all the D-C stations. Got that? OK. Fast forward 40 years and what do we have? Well, I'm generalizing here but it seems we have a combination of all of the above in terms of negatives. People tuning out for new sources of entertainment, mouth marathons over here and automated juke boxes over there. Music that is so targeted to a specific demographic that it pleases only a few and drives many even those away with the non-stop repetition or behemoth playlists that are so unfocused that many get lost by the third song they hear and tune away. The Bob/Jack phenomenon rings of the tape automated stations of the 60's and 70's, too. Remember those? We used to call them 'ghost stations' because it seemed that no one was actually running them. No matter what you think of this new/old concept in radio, you have to admit that unless these guys evolve into something other than a juke box with attitude, they'll fall by the wayside when the novelty wears off. So where do we go from here? The more I read about what happened in the industry decades ago, the more I listen to those guys do their thing on old air checks, the more I become convinced that radio needs to really take a hard look at what they did all those years ago and try to glean some wisdom from its own checkered past. McLendon, Storz and later Drake and company were visionaries who applied common sense and a keen ability to read the market and cater to it without overselling their product or appearing to pander or be insincere. They were not concerned with 'targeting' as much as they were trying to find a common ground where many different groups of people could be entertained. They made the investments necessary to ensure that the product was the highest quality in practice and not just in theory. Think about that for a second. Theoretically, if you choose to believe the proponents of VT's, narrowcasting, and cluster management, radio should be better now than it ever has been! Oh, really? This is a product of the lies that non-broadcaster-owners have been told be short sighted programmers who have been made to satisfy unrealistic budgetary demands: "Sure, I can make it work with just three people and an Automation system. I think we can get by without billboards this quarter. yeah, I can barter out the imaging. Two seven minute spot breaks an hour is fine as long as we have those 22 minute music sweeps." Those are just a few of the lies that have been told over and over again so programmers who really know better can retain their positions. I await the day when owners stop buying this crap. I think it is not that far off because if you read the trades, and I do, you'll hear a cry for new ideas going up like never before. Fingers are being pointed and questions are being asked by those who proclaimed, just a few short years ago, that radio was enjoying halcyon days of corporate bliss. It seems now that no one wants to be caught fiddling while Rome burns. Obviously, the jig is up and it's time to go back to doing radio with common sense. It's time to re-learn the lessons of 40 years ago and make it as exciting as we can again without spot breaks that go on for an eternity and boring morning show 'teams' talking endlessly about what they did over the weekend. No, sir! That won't work anymore because listeners are fed up with it and they are tuning out in droves. Stop fooling yourself by thinking in terms of magic-bullet playlists and hot sounding imaging to make your station more appealing. That's not where it's at, folks. It's the whole ball of wax. Music, entertainment, information. Substance presented well! lifestyle enhancing programming that gives people a sense of place and time executed deftly, carefully and efficiently so they will promote audience loyalty and not push them away with annoyances that radio has foisted upon its end user in the past. Keep it friendly, exiting, entertaining and reach out to the audience at every opportunity and watch the ratings go up. I am not advocating a recreation of Boss Radio! I am, however, trying to make the point that there is no need to reinvent the wheel to pump some new life into radio today. It's already been done before and all we have to do is stop wringing our hands long enough to realize that the same basic principals still apply to our medium as they did 40 years ago. The Real Don Steele once said, "Showmanship doesn't change. What appeals to a mass audience, if that's what you're looking for, doesn't change. It doesn't make any difference what kind of music your playing or what format you go to. If you stylize yourself with those basic, needs, wants, desires. of the average folk, how can you go wrong?" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu May 05 07:40:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41015 invoked from network); 5 May 2005 14:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2005 14:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2005 14:40:52 -0000 X-Node: 1 Received: from stodd (modem0125-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.125]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j45Ed2UI007497 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 09:39:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003301c55180$e72ee0c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000e01c55178$6da4a800$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:44:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} BOSS RADIO IS 40 TODAY! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'd have to agree with most of what you said, but I know of a few stations where the morning teams far outrank the other dayparts, and one station locally that pretty much becomes an FM talker during that time with double the audience of its classic rock format of the rest of the day. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Collins" boring morning show 'teams' talking endlessly about what they did over the weekend. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 05 09:32:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70990 invoked from network); 5 May 2005 16:32:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2005 16:32:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2005 16:32:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2005 16:32:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2005 16:32:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 16:32:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003301c55180$e72ee0c0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1471 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.120.215.27 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} BOSS RADIO IS 40 TODAY! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I'd have to agree with most of what you said, but I know of a few stations > where the morning teams far outrank the other dayparts, and one station > locally that pretty much becomes an FM talker during that time with double > the audience of its classic rock format of the rest of the day. This depends to a great extent on whether the morning duo (or any talker) deals with their audience. If they just talk, tell bad jokes to each other, and generally don't talk TO their listeners, usually they fail to keep an audience interested in listening. Local or not, the point is RELEVANCE to the listener, and frankly, most of the yappers (liberal and conservative, talk show or morning variety) just simply aren't. Most of broadcasting, regardless of format, is the same sad way. You're not just supposed to entertain, you're supposed to make listeners think you're talking them personally. If you pardon the visual analogy- Make love to your listeners. :) A station with cookie-cutter announcers just doesn't get personal to their audience. It doesn't even mean cutting down on the crass jokes- If you actually participate in the community you're being heard in, even just as an announcer talking to the listener, YOU WILL GAIN LOYALTY THAT WILL SHOW IN THE RATINGS! Loyalty is money; local loyalty is lots of local money. Be relevant- Your being listened to. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oldphones@webtv.net Thu May 05 16:47:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10649 invoked from network); 5 May 2005 23:47:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2005 23:47:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.138) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2005 23:47:05 -0000 Received: from storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 3D402D621; Thu, 5 May 2005 16:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA11539; Thu, 5 May 2005 16:47:04 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRmUWfovjSEW6YSyOkTmWO81Obq4QIUIfqgDO6YdgOQNrutQ5kP11fnIy4= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 18:47:04 -0500 To: abdx@abdx.org, ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <535-427AB078-298@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: XM 6 Retro-Casts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Hi, Just a reminder. XM Satellite radio does periodic Retro-Cast of well known historic radios stations like WLS, KOMA, many others... On The XM 6 1960's decade channel, Omaha's KOIL will be the next station highlighted, Old Jingles, clips, intros, a few vintage ad spots are used with old audio clips donated by former disc jockeys and fans of different stations... A live knowledgeable DJ also takes requests... Interesting how they take an old air check recording and then blend in a modern stereo recording of the same song.... 1290 K O I L will be featured 3 PM to 7 PM CST on XM Channel 6 tomorrow Friday, May 6th. BTW - May 6th also happens to be the 30th anniversary of the 1975 Tornado that torn though much of West Omaha, although I seriously doubt the XM retro cast will feature it. May of been one of KOIL's, KFAB, WOW's ( and TV 3 KMTV,6 WOW-TV & 7 KETV's ) finest broadcast moments.... Amazing that Only 3 fatalities Vs. over 100 in a similar pre-radio 1913 tornado diaster, occurred. I am sure most of the local Omaha TV, And Radio stations will reminisce on the big Twister.... I sure remember it like yesterday... The dissipating twister went about a 1/2 mile from the 3 1200 foot TV towers...lucky to say the least they didn't have a direct hit. Bill Snyder - Omaha. Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From rwagoner@cox.net Thu May 05 17:37:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2569 invoked from network); 6 May 2005 00:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2005 00:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao08.cox.net) (68.230.241.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2005 00:37:21 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050506003719.ZHVT16890.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 20:37:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <000e01c55178$6da4a800$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> References: <000e01c55178$6da4a800$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 17:37:17 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} BOSS RADIO IS 40 TODAY! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Actually, it was April 27th when the Sneak Preview started. May 5th was=20 supposed to be the debut, but KFWB screwed it up by trying to steal the=20 thunder. On May 5, 2005, at 6:43 AM, Joe Collins wrote: > Today is the 40th anniversary of the debut of 'Boss Radio' on KHJ in=20 > Los Angeles.=A0 Here is a short piece I wrote and posted on some trade=20 > web sites. about Boss Radio and it's validity even today... This=20 > article touched off a heated debate about the currnet state of radio=20 > and I thought you would enjoy it. > > :) > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu May 05 18:33:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9311 invoked from network); 6 May 2005 01:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2005 01:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2005 01:33:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 May 2005 18:32:25 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.208 by BAY106-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 06 May 2005 01:32:25 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: oldphones@webtv.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 01:32:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2005 01:32:25.0893 (UTC) FILETIME=[75615D50:01C551DB] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM 6 Retro-Casts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Thanks for the reminder, Eric. The retro broadcast are each Friday 4pm thr= ough 8pm(or is it 9pm?) Eastern Time. They've also done two stations twice, that I grew up with, WQAM, Miami and = WLCY St Petersburg. Also for those interested in history and WWII; all the retro newscasts this= week and through at least the 8th are from this week in 1945, when the All= ies were defeating Hitler and the fascists in Italy. The broadcast either Monday or Tuesday had an actual tape of the BBC bullet= in announcing the news of Hitler's suicide. These newscast are on the air every day and normally cover the particular d= ate and the news from any year on that date between 1935 and 1950; then imm= ediately after the 5 minute newscast, they play the number 1 song on that d= ate. These retro newscast on xm channel 4 (the forties) are broadcast everyday a= t 3am, 8am, 12 noon, 4pm , 8 pm and 11pm. (all times Eastern time zone) Donn, St Petersburg From amstereoexp@yahoo.com Thu May 05 19:30:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoexp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63307 invoked from network); 6 May 2005 02:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2005 02:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54601.mail.yahoo.com) (68.142.225.185) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2005 02:29:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 14048 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2005 02:29:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050506022953.14046.qmail@web54601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.72.128] by web54601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 May 2005 19:29:53 PDT Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 19:29:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.225.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Kevin Tekel Subject: Fwd: Comment from The AM STEREO Web Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78550888 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoexp --- Scottmedia@aol.com wrote: > From: Scottmedia@aol.com > Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 11:57:16 EDT > Subject: Comment from The AM STEREO Web Site > To: amstereoexp@yahoo.com > > WPLK 800 AM in Palatka, FL plays Adult Standards/Oldies and uses the > jingle "Stereo 800" and can be heard clearly from Jacksonville to > Orlando. > > Thank you for your webpage. > > William Scott > SCOTT MEDIA Worldwide Media Placement > Jacksonville, FL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo / Singles Versions on the air - AM Stereo Classics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > "Love Me Tender" was mono. In fact, Elvis was one of the last RCA > artists to show up in true stereo because when RCA made the switch, > he was in the army. It may have not been released that way originally, but "Love Me Tender" is now almost always heard in full stereo. I wasn't really talking about the first hit single to be released in stereo, but rather the first hit single that can be heard in stereo _today_. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 06 17:07:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37216 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 00:07:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2005 00:07:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 00:07:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2005 00:07:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2005 00:07:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 00:07:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 290 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.72.128 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Mass sale of "Alfredo Lite" kits on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Chris is selling all the parts needed to build 25 "Alfredo Lite" low-power AM Stereo transmitters: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5771712591 Assembled with case and power adapter, Chris sells these transmitters for $125 each... so do the math and bid accordingly! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri May 06 21:36:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62748 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 04:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2005 04:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 04:30:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 80542 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2005 04:30:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050507043049.80540.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.162.222.143] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 May 2005 21:30:49 PDT Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 21:30:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 216.136.172.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John P." Subject: stereo elvis X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio somebody wrote: "And on the other side of this, I wonder what was the first stereo recording to become a hit? I'm thinking "Love Me Tender" by Elvis (#1 in 1956), but there may have been something more obscure before then." I don't believe that this was even in stereo until after 1986, and definately not in stereo on a 45RPM format. Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat May 07 00:41:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@YAHOOGROUPS.COM Received: (qmail 58755 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 07:41:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2005 07:41:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.183) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 07:41:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.124.14.140 with login) by smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 07:41:24 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c552d8$71315840$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 00:42:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Subject: Chris Chuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Thats to bad to here what happend Chris. I hope all your indevers work out well. Well as of 12:39 am sat KFRC am 610 is off the air. Hopefuly thats good news because ever sence they fliped there rateings must have through the floor. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sat May 07 01:06:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58808 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 08:06:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2005 08:06:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 08:06:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2005 04:02:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2005 04:02:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 03:58:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 296 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.171.226 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: Disney to go IBOC - was WLS Now in Mono??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I heard this same thing with KFI. I'm 400 miles away and never heard a difference with their signal. Stereo or mono. > > One C-Quam myth that is forever vanquished - the coverage myth. The > coverage for KMKI - which has always been phenonemal - has not > increased since they quit C-Quam. From jimsmith@vfr.net Sat May 07 03:05:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57963 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 10:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2005 10:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 10:05:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2005 10:04:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2005 10:04:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 10:04:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c552d8$71315840$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 528 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.124.14.114 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: Chris Chuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hi Gang Thats to bad to here what happend Chris. I hope all your indevers work out well. Well as of 12:39 am sat KFRC am 610 is off the air. Hopefuly thats good news because ever sence they fliped there rateings must have through the floor. Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Hi Gang I just read my message i sent. I think i could have wrought that better. Well any way i still mean well for Chris. Jim Smith From mtgc@hotmail.com Sat May 07 07:37:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64028 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 14:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2005 14:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.28) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 14:37:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 May 2005 07:36:49 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.210 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 May 2005 14:36:49 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050507043049.80540.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 10:36:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2005 14:36:49.0317 (UTC) FILETIME=[33C7B550:01C55312] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: Chris Cuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Apparently I missed some announcement either from Chris Cuff or about Chris concerning some changes to him, either his business or his personal life or both. I hope all is well with Chris, as I greatly admire his accomplishments in the area of AM Stereo. MTGC (Michael) From jimbo@burgan.net Sat May 07 10:57:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26723 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 17:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2005 17:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) (207.115.63.98) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 17:57:05 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-72-58-85.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.72.58.85]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with SMTP id j47Hv0qi183510 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 13:57:04 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01c5532e$2dda9d30$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:57:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 207.115.63.98 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 ====================== Apparently I missed some announcement either from Chris Cuff or about Chris concerning some changes to him, either his business or his personal life or both. I hope all is well with Chris, as I greatly admire his accomplishments in the area of AM Stereo. ===================== I believe Chris is OK.. He is getting out of the Alfredo-Lite Biz. I believe his job has changed and has become more demanding so he is getting out of the business of building his Part 15 C-Quam AM Stereo transmitters. His entire parts supply, and pretty-much everything else is being auctioned on eBay. Here's the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5771712591 -Jim- From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 07 12:30:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4577 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 19:30:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2005 19:30:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 19:30:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2005 19:30:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2005 19:30:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 19:30:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002a01c5532e$2dda9d30$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 918 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.120.214.186 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I'm saddened by Chris leaving the Alfredo Lite business- I hope he doesn't pull out of AMS completely, but if he does, I'll understand, although it'll be just as saddening. I still need to get my AL upgraded- Perhaps whomever takes over can do that for me. I'd still love to get one of his hand-made AMS radios, though. That's something I would be proud of having and using. :) Maybe Jeff Deck of meduci.com will buy up Chris' stuff and take over? Would be nice. Jeff's a sweetheart of a guy, and he's just as devoted to AMS as the best of us. :) (I'm devoted, but I'm not the best- I don't want to be the best.) Thank you, Chris, for bringing AM stereo to many who never thought they could have it themselves. You've helped the cause far, far more than you'll ever know. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Now who am I going to get a hand-made AMS radio from? Not just a conversion, but a bottom-up hand-made receiver?) From ccuff@in4web.com Sat May 07 13:17:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64301 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 20:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2005 20:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 20:17:34 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.132]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 16:21:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c55341$f2433e80$84b10642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 16:18:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am still here, and making A-Lites. I was "trying" to get some enterprising person to make them and make some money at it- but as there was no interest, I ended the auction and will keep making them for as long as there is a need. The most tedious part of making these has always been cutting the board to fit the clear plastic box- The boards are glass epoxy, and have to be cut with a rotary cutter- a pain in the butt, and a process that creates an incredible mess of dust. But people want the box, so on it goes. I am involved with other things too in my job that are taking more time these days. As for the radio kits, That proved to be something that simply was not going to happen. Using ebay as a test market, and using the "featured plus" option, there were over a thousand hits, but not enough of an interest to make it worth while time-wise. But again, the Lites will always be available. I have 4 ready now, and plenty of parts to make more. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 07 13:57:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1329 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 20:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2005 20:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 20:57:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2005 20:57:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2005 20:57:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 20:57:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c55341$f2433e80$84b10642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1242 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.120.214.186 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > As for the radio kits, That proved to be something that simply was not going to happen. Using ebay as a test market, and using the "featured plus" option, there were over a thousand hits, but not enough of an interest to make it worth while time-wise. But again, the Lites will always be available. I have 4 ready now, and plenty of parts to make more. Glad you're staying in. :) As for the radios, this depends one ONE major factor that perhaps you didn't account for: How many actually know how to build from kits? How many know how to work a soldering iron? Not many. Hobby electronics is a dying art, even among the hams, when everything one would want is already pre-manufactured. (In my case, I understand electronics reasonably enough- not nearly as much as a ham or engineer, but reasonably enough that I might be able to pass the ham exams up to General, and perhaps Advanced- only that I have neither the skills or ability to use kits. And I'm one of the "lucky" ones- There are more who who want AMS radios, but wouldn't have any understanding of electronics- how to read a schematic or even know theory. Sad, isn't it?) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sat May 07 14:28:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30981 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 21:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2005 21:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.185) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 21:28:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 May 2005 14:28:19 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.164.204.51 by BAY22-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 07 May 2005 21:28:19 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 17:28:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2005 21:28:19.0701 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0655250:01C5534B] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.16.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would have taken it over, but I don't have access to those kinds of funds as i think it is with many. I'm sure there is a lot of interest in that auction. Most people who are into electronics are not rich, which is ussually why they get into electronics so they can build and repair their own stuff and save $$$$. Just my take on the situation. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat May 07 14:49:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66308 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 21:49:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2005 21:49:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 21:49:16 -0000 X-Node: 4 Received: from stodd (modem0089-pli-tnt-mpls1.cpinternet.com [64.61.217.89]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j47LnDVt025128 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 16:49:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005001c5534e$c3e8de20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000801c55341$f2433e80$84b10642@4bmx301> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 16:50:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think Amy had part of it right in that not a lot of folks want to put kits together anymore, but there's also the factor of while AM stereo radios aren't exactly plentiful, they can be found with any reasonable effort. I'd be interested in one of those kits if you ever change your mind. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" > As for the radio kits, That proved to be something that simply was not going to happen. Using ebay as a test market, and using the "featured plus" option, there were over a thousand hits, but not enough of an interest to make it worth while time-wise. But again, the Lites will always be available. I have 4 ready now, and plenty of parts to make more. > Chris From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 07 15:17:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25222 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 22:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2005 22:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 22:17:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n32.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2005 22:17:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2005 22:17:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 22:17:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005001c5534e$c3e8de20$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 437 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.120.214.186 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I think Amy had part of it right in that not a lot of folks want to put kits > together anymore, but there's also the factor of while AM stereo radios > aren't exactly plentiful, they can be found with any reasonable effort. I'd > be interested in one of those kits if you ever change your mind. AM stereo radios do well on eBay. 'Nuff said. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Sat May 07 15:50:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66347 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 22:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2005 22:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 22:50:34 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.82]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 18:54:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c55357$529231a0$52b50642@4bmx301> To: References: <000801c55341$f2433e80$84b10642@4bmx301> <005001c5534e$c3e8de20$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:51:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There was the other problem- making a kit was the only way I could ever have done it. It takes a whole day to build one radio- No one would ever pay what it would cost, and with other radios available as Scott said, it would be pointless. Too bad people got away from Kits- I loved making kits when I was a kid, but it's all different today. There is just no "gee whiz" factor in radio. Now if I can ever get this blasted time machine to work.... Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 5:50 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Sat May 07 16:18:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38844 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 23:18:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2005 23:18:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 23:18:00 -0000 Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47NHvIC021353 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:17:58 -0400 X-ORBL: [68.72.58.85] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-72-58-85.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.72.58.85]) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with SMTP id j47NHsv9377252 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:17:59 -0400 Message-ID: <002001c5535b$02813a40$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <000801c55341$f2433e80$84b10642@4bmx301> <005001c5534e$c3e8de20$d503fea9@stodd> <000801c55357$529231a0$52b50642@4bmx301> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:17:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Chris Cuff wrote (with much snippage): > ...but it's all different today. There is just no "gee whiz" > factor in radio. > Now if I can ever get this blasted time machine to work.... > Chris You might try increasing the power into the Flux Capacitor. -Jim- From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sat May 07 16:55:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36482 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 23:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2005 23:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.188) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 23:55:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 May 2005 16:55:39 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.164.204.51 by BAY22-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 07 May 2005 23:55:38 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 19:55:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2005 23:55:39.0083 (UTC) FILETIME=[4513F9B0:01C55360] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.16.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Alfredo Lite to full Part 15.219 Power.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Is it possible to push Chris Cuff's version of the Alfredo to full 100mw Power from the current 20mw? Chris may want to consider this for future units, as part 15.219 allows 100mw input to the final giving you at least 50mw with the most ineffecient final but more on the order of 80mw average. Also anyone have the procedure to do this? Thank you, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 07 17:50:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36843 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 00:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2005 00:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 00:50:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2005 00:50:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2005 00:50:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 00:50:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 506 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.120.214.186 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Alfredo Lite to full Part 15.219 Power.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > Is it possible to push Chris Cuff's version of the Alfredo to full 100mw > Power from the current 20mw? Chris may want to consider this for future > units, as part 15.219 allows 100mw input to the final giving you at least > 50mw with the most ineffecient final but more on the order of 80mw average. > > Also anyone have the procedure to do this? Designing a simple 5:1 RF amp should do. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 07 17:57:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97851 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 00:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2005 00:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 00:57:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n32.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2005 00:57:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2005 00:57:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 00:57:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c55357$529231a0$52b50642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 833 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.120.214.186 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > There was the other problem- making a kit was the only way I could ever have done it. It takes a whole day to build one radio- No one would ever pay what it would cost, and with other radios available as Scott said, it would be pointless. Pointless? Most of the AMS radios that are won on eBay go for over $50, to begin with. Secondly, I think I speak for a number of AMSers who would relish the use of a hand-made radio, that we know that it's unique and lovingly built. God knows I've admired some of your hand- made radio designs! I'd be proud to take one on trips, instead of my Aiwa. :) Don't shortchange yourself. Don't underestimate AMS fans. :) AM stereo enthusiasm is far more dedicated than your average radio listeners. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jon@kenneke.com Sat May 07 18:32:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@kenneke.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65913 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 01:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2005 01:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenneke.com) (65.103.64.194) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 01:32:20 -0000 Received: from kenneke.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j481UwFG032733 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 18:30:58 -0700 Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id j481UvTu032730 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 18:30:58 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:30:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000801c55341$f2433e80$84b10642@4bmx301> Message-ID: References: <000801c55341$f2433e80$84b10642@4bmx301> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.7.4 (kenneke.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 07 May 2005 18:30:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 65.103.64.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: jon Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77819664 X-Yahoo-Profile: jonkenneke On Sat, 7 May 2005, Chris Cuff wrote: > I am still here, and making A-Lites. I was "trying" to get some enterprising person to make them and make some money at it- but as there was no interest, I ended the auction and will keep making them for as long as there is a need. The most tedious part of making these has always been cutting the board to fit the clear plastic box- The boards are glass epoxy, and have to be cut with a rotary cutter- a pain in the butt, and a process that creates an incredible mess of dust. But people want the box, so on it goes. I am involved with other things too in my job that are taking more time these days. > As for the radio kits, That proved to be something that simply was not going to happen. Using ebay as a test market, and using the "featured plus" option, there were over a thousand hits, but not enough of an interest to make it worth while time-wise. But again, the Lites will always be available. I have 4 ready now, and plenty of parts to make more. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Amy Mousie > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 07 20:50:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53991 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 03:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2005 03:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.59) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 03:50:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n30.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2005 03:50:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2005 03:50:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 03:50:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1341 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.72.128 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Alfredo Lite to full Part 15.219 Power.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Is it possible to push Chris Cuff's version of the Alfredo to full > 100mw Power from the current 20mw? Chris may want to consider this > for future units, as part 15.219 allows 100mw input to the final > giving you at least 50mw with the most ineffecient final but more > on the order of 80mw average. > > Also anyone have the procedure to do this? It depends on what kind of final RF output transistors you use. Regular 2N222-type transistors will give you the standard 20 mW or so. But if you choose higher-power transistors, you can even get it to put out way above 100 mW. You can also get higher power output, even with the standard transistors, by cutting the power rail to the final output section of the circuitry and running it on its own higher-voltage power supply (12 volts or more). The rest of the circuitry must run at no more than 9 volts to keep from burning up the IC's, but the RF output section can be run at whatever is the maximum rated voltage of the transistors you choose. And if you want something that is to the "Alfredo Lite" as the Rolls-Royce is to a Hyundai, There are also several professional AM Stereo generators on eBay right now, including a multi-system Panasonic unit (the same kind I have).... hint hint, wink wink! These units put out 100 mW at their maximum output power setting. From Bossmsx@aol.com Sat May 07 22:37:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7866 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 05:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2005 05:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 05:37:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n32.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2005 05:37:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2005 05:37:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 05:37:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050506022953.14046.qmail@web54601.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 294 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.188.117.8 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: Fwd: Comment from The AM STEREO Web Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 > > WPLK 800 AM in Palatka, FL plays Adult Standards/Oldies and uses the > > jingle "Stereo 800" and can be heard clearly from Jacksonville to > > Orlando. Station has not been Stereo for a very long time, even though they continue to use imaging and liners that state this claim.. --tony From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun May 08 02:10:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@YAHOOGROUPS.COM Received: (qmail 98050 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 09:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2005 09:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.186) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 09:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.124.12.208 with login) by smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 09:10:00 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c553ad$fcd21080$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 02:11:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: Subject: Thank You Chris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Thank You Chris. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net Sun May 08 03:58:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49432 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 10:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2005 10:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.58) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 10:58:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2005 10:57:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2005 10:57:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 10:57:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2756 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.216.127.184 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Chris Cuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215058239 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Dennis, You write: >Maybe Jeff Deck of meduci.com will buy up Chris' stuff and take >over? >Would be nice. Jeff's a sweetheart of a guy, and he's just as >devoted to AMS as the best of us. :) (I'm devoted, but I'm not the >best- I don't want to be the best.) We are all the best for continuing "the cause." I have devoted the past four years and hundreds of hours to launching a hand-made portable manually-tuned personal AM stereo radio. In addition, I purchased several of Chris Cuff's PC boards a few years ago. In portable radios, there is a severe case of microphonics, that is caused by the LC local oscillator tuned circuit. I placed beeswax on the oscillator coil, however the plates in the tuning capacitor still move. This causes an annoying loss of stereo lock, if the radio is disturbed (much like the Sangean SR-66 and other portables based upon the Motorola MC13024 chip). I have refined the circuitry, so if anyone wants a manually- tuned hand made AM stereo C-QuAM portable headphone radio, free of microphonics for under $100 each, please wait awhile longer. Audio bandwidth will extend to 10 kHz, and the headphone radio will tune the world broadcast AM band, complete with a functioning AM stereo LED indicator. Also, I have been operating a web site for almost one year, and have received feedback from literally all over the world. In fact, there has been more response from other countries than the United States. An AM stereo radio station engineer in Hong Kong is interested in portable AM stereo headphone radios...A fellow in Los Angeles wanted a Denon AMAX tuner, so that he could hear his mono Clear Channel-owned AM station better. I had to explain that AMAX will not improve the sound if the AM station elects to purposely decrease their audio bandwidth on the transmitter side... Australia has been active with interest and feedback...Other countries that visited my web site include India and Europe...I sold stuff to the engineer at Radio Studio X...And the Nigerian money laundering e-mail scams and schemes are prevalent in my e-mail box (which unfortunately the FBI cannot stop). One marketing piece I have learned is that this AM stereo market is extremely price sensitive. People will not spend a lot of money (say $250 or more for an AM stereo tuner). They want bargains. (Hello, iBiquity, are you listening?). So it has been very challenging to design high quality AM stereo products for the masses on very thin margins. I have devoted hundreds of hours, and have not made one dime profit on this venture. Nonetheless, I will still be here supporting the AM stereo technology. Please do not hesitate to visit my web site. 73, Jeff Deck http://meduci.com From cainbryan@yahoo.com Sun May 08 05:35:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cainbryan@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71826 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 12:35:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2005 12:35:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 12:35:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2005 12:35:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2005 12:35:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 12:35:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 54 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.43.220.78 From: "cainbryan" Subject: CAM-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185949349 X-Yahoo-Profile: cainbryan What is everyone's pro-con thoughts on this new tech? From badeditpro@cox.net Sun May 08 05:55:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89664 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 12:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2005 12:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 12:55:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2005 12:55:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2005 12:55:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 12:55:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 656 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: CAM-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "cainbryan" wrote: > What is everyone's pro-con thoughts on this new tech? I can't say anything about the system one way or another. I have never heard it. Leonard Kahn assured me that there would be some `real world' audio samples posted on his www.wrthofkahn.org site but nothing has shown up yet. The only thing we have to go on is what he tells us at this point. There are no Cam-D radios out there and very few stations actually running the system. I'd love to hear what some of the folks here who have heard the system on an analog radio have to say about it, though. : ) Joe Collins From starship_2001@msn.com Sun May 08 07:09:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38032 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 14:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2005 14:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 14:09:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 May 2005 07:09:41 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by BAY106-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:09:40 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 14:09:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2005 14:09:41.0458 (UTC) FILETIME=[93E9E320:01C553D7] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.77 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CAM-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 I can't see how this will make it. IBOC already has a jump and FCC standing= behind it.=20 I personally would prefer that CAM-D did make it and would be the method us= ed as it's compactable with present day (analog) radios.=20 -----Original Message----- From: cainbryan Sent: Sun, 8 May 2005 05:35:31 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} CAM-D What is everyone's pro-con thoughts on this new tech? Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Links From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun May 08 07:52:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80855 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 14:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2005 14:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.17) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 14:52:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 May 2005 07:51:42 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.202 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:51:41 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 10:51:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2005 14:51:42.0054 (UTC) FILETIME=[724E5060:01C553DD] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.17 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: RE: {AMSF} CAM-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Well, If Mr. Kahn will sue everyone associated with IBOC, which is what he did to a lot of his competitors in the original AM Stereo scenario many years ago, then perhaps the old man still has a practical use. MTGC (Michael) >From: "cainbryan" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} CAM-D >Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 12:35:31 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 >X-Sender: cainbryan@yahoo.com >Received: from n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.55]) by >mc5-f18.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sun, 8 May 2005 >05:36:07 -0700 >Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May >2005 12:35:37 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.32] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 >May 2005 12:35:36 -0000 >Received: (qmail 71826 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 12:35:34 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >8 May 2005 12:35:34 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by >mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 12:35:34 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May >2005 12:35:32 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 >May 2005 12:35:32 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jE7VGb/XGU50GGbjel9E+Tnmm3uWgYbb8k= >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; >b=kx6GzVoEi/34+/PJpsoCI1tYlUyNLT/qQLT9auuBj6Pbvcw3GlZyEQYIKS3HLMkYWu2mxcfbrrDTgFxfdFGziwVjOkCLXqxfUDq3FmTHNBLaraSZasEJeZcjQqKbqCd0; >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 >X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.43.220.78 >X-Yahoo-Profile: cainbryan >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-21107-1115555736-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2005 12:36:07.0157 (UTC) >FILETIME=[81878A50:01C553CA] > >What is everyone's pro-con thoughts on this new tech? > > From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun May 08 07:52:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63665 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 14:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2005 14:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 14:52:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 May 2005 07:52:52 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.202 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:52:52 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c553ad$fcd21080$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 10:52:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2005 14:52:52.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C866B60:01C553DD] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Thank You Chris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 AMEN!! MTGC (MIchael) >From: >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: "am stereo forum" >CC: "jim smith" >Subject: {AMSF} Thank You Chris >Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 02:11:57 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.186 >X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net >Received: from n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.52]) by >mc11-f15.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sun, 8 May 2005 >02:11:42 -0700 >Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May >2005 09:10:05 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.33] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 >May 2005 09:10:05 -0000 >Received: (qmail 98050 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 09:10:02 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >8 May 2005 09:10:02 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.186) >by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 09:10:02 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) >(jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.124.12.208 with login) by >smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 09:10:00 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFizqwc398pXP1PLSCTmnK5rLEr0i3qn7I= >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; >b=IQpHEVRi60BlZPd0QetA+WgtKLwe3bISP1sVjS+r4G7d3L55jTU3oGdxmrqy9wiUzNRuYpa76+AZAJ2hnqqWRWQPJCv9QmoH2+8h+1GuLE+XOGFNqIm5AVwW9M2ulJW9; >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@YAHOOGROUPS.COM >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 >X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-21105-1115543404-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2005 09:11:42.0932 (UTC) >FILETIME=[F37B5140:01C553AD] > >Hi Gang Thank You Chris. Jim Smith > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From dougharding@bellsouth.net Sun May 08 08:43:46 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From dougharding@bellsouth.net Sun May 08 08:54:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87216 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 15:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2005 15:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 15:54:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2005 15:54:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2005 15:54:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 15:54:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 174 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.6.205.68 From: "douglasharding" Subject: Chris Cuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I am glad to see that you are still with us Chris and still making transmitters. I love mine and use it as a carrier current to feed my computer streams all over the house. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun May 08 14:09:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86934 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 21:09:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2005 21:09:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.95) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 21:09:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 18636 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2005 21:09:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050508210924.18633.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [222.152.49.102] by web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:09:24 PDT Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 14:09:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1115559709.603.90700.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1558 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have 2 alfredo lites from Chris and yes theyre still is great as when I bought them off Chris.The quality is excellent and very nice person to deal with. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: Message: 1 Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 10:36:49 -0400 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: Chris Cuff Apparently I missed some announcement either from Chris Cuff or about Chris concerning some changes to him, either his business or his personal life or both. I hope all is well with Chris, as I greatly admire his accomplishments in the area of AM Stereo. MTGC (Michael) === message truncated === Michael&Ross __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cainbryan@yahoo.com Sun May 08 14:51:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cainbryan@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53596 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 21:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2005 21:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 21:51:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2005 21:51:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2005 21:51:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 21:51:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2614 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.43.220.78 From: "cainbryan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CAM-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185949349 X-Yahoo-Profile: cainbryan RE: I guess that's what he's doing. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" wrote: > Well, If Mr. Kahn will sue everyone associated with IBOC, which is what he > did to a lot of his competitors in the original AM Stereo scenario many > years ago, then perhaps the old man still has a practical use. > > MTGC (Michael) > > >From: "cainbryan" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: {AMSF} CAM-D > >Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 12:35:31 -0000 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 > >X-Sender: cainbryan@y... > >Received: from n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.55]) by > >mc5-f18.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sun, 8 May 2005 > >05:36:07 -0700 > >Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May > >2005 12:35:37 -0000 > >Received: from [66.218.66.32] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 > >May 2005 12:35:36 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 71826 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 12:35:34 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; > >8 May 2005 12:35:34 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by > >mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 12:35:34 -0000 > >Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May > >2005 12:35:32 -0000 > >Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 > >May 2005 12:35:32 -0000 > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jE7VGb/XGU50GGbjel9E+Tnmm3uWgYbb8k= > >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; > >b=kx6GzVoEi/34+/PJpsoCI1tYlUyNLT/qQLT9auuBj6Pbvcw3GlZyEQYIKS3HLMkYWu 2mxcfbrrDTgFxfdFGziwVjOkCLXqxfUDq3FmTHNBLaraSZasEJeZcjQqKbqCd0; > >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email > >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 > >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster > >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 > >X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.43.220.78 > >X-Yahoo-Profile: cainbryan > >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact > >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com > >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >List-Id: > >Precedence: bulk > >List-Unsubscribe: > >Return-Path: > >sentto-4085512-21107-1115555736-mtgc=hotmail.com@r... > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2005 12:36:07.0157 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[81878A50:01C553CA] > > > >What is everyone's pro-con thoughts on this new tech? > > > > From BKGardner99@comcast.net Sun May 08 17:16:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: BKGardner99@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55541 invoked from network); 9 May 2005 00:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2005 00:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.57) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2005 00:16:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n28.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2005 00:16:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2005 00:16:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 00:16:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 407 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.242.109.214 From: "got2bfunky99" Subject: Re: CAM-D X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168033021 X-Yahoo-Profile: got2bfunky99 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radio774" wrote: > Thanks to the tips!!! > Any website to read more about CAM-D from Kahn or Kahn's own site?? > Want to send an e-mail to them??? > roy in rainy Sweden. Keep up with the latest developments at http://www.wrathofkahn.org, which has Mr. Kahn contributing pieces as well as engineers at stations where CAM-D has been implemented. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon May 09 04:30:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@YAHOOGROUPS.COM Received: (qmail 42970 invoked from network); 9 May 2005 11:30:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2005 11:30:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2005 11:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.124.15.225 with login) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2005 11:30:14 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c5548a$bc760b80$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 04:32:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.170.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: Subject: kfrc am 160 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Famliy Radio kept the calls of KFRC so far. I hope there rateings are so bad that thay will lose massive money on there signal. Jim smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon May 09 04:39:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80753 invoked from network); 9 May 2005 11:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2005 11:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2005 11:39:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2005 11:38:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2005 11:38:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 11:38:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c5548a$bc760b80$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 611 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.75.227.85 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: kfrc am 160 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx4 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hi Gang Famliy Radio kept the calls of KFRC so far. I hope there rateings are so bad that thay will lose massive money on there signal. Jim smith Religious stations don't depend on ratings. Alot of stations don't depend on ratings. And ratings aren't the 'be all and end all' of profit, either. That's the short version. As for the call letter change, Family Radio may not yet have official control of 610. A license transfer takes several months to complete, and they may be operating the station via an LMA for now. --tony From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon May 09 05:46:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35778 invoked from network); 9 May 2005 12:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2005 12:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2005 12:46:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2005 12:46:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2005 12:46:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 12:46:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 926 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.124.15.225 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: kfrc am 160 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang Famliy Radio kept the calls of KFRC so far. I hope there > rateings are so bad that thay will lose massive money on there > signal. Jim smith > > Religious stations don't depend on ratings. Alot of stations don't > depend on ratings. And ratings aren't the 'be all and end all' of > profit, either. That's the short version. > > As for the call letter change, Family Radio may not yet have official > control of 610. A license transfer takes several months to complete, > and they may be operating the station via an LMA for now. > > --tony Hi Tony On the FCC site it shows that its under Famly Radio ownership now. Thats to bad that the corps did that to us the lissaners but its like some one said here the lissaners don't matter any more. Jim Smith From kya1260@lycos.com Mon May 09 14:10:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93265 invoked from network); 9 May 2005 21:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2005 21:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2005 21:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id A9AB9180030F for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 21:10:32 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 9 May 2005 21:10:32 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 86981E5BC9; Mon, 9 May 2005 21:10:32 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; A1.17; B2.12; Q2.03) Received: from [68.125.55.118] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Mon, 09 May 2005 13:10:32 -0800 X-Mailer: mail.lycos.com webmail To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 13:10:32 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050509211032.86981E5BC9@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: kfrc am 160 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ The official word in the San Francisco Chronicle, and other sources, is that once the Oakland A's baseball season is over=20 in October, the call letters will change to KEAR. I don't=20 recall when KEAR 106.9 becomes the property of Infinity/CBS... So, for now, the KFRC call letters will languish at 610 kilocycles through the dog days of summer.=20 "Ohhhhhhhh, PraaaaaaAAAAAAAaaaaaise theeeeeee " --jay ----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: kfrc am 160 Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 11:38:52 -0000 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang Famliy Radio kept the calls of KFRC so far. I hope there > rateings are so bad that thay will lose massive money on there > signal. Jim smith >=20 > Religious stations don't depend on ratings. Alot of stations don't > depend on ratings. And ratings aren't the 'be all and end all' of > profit, either. That's the short version. >=20 > As for the call letter change, Family Radio may not yet have official > control of 610. A license transfer takes several months to complete, > and they may be operating the station via an LMA for now. >=20 > --tony What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Mon May 09 19:44:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83095 invoked from network); 10 May 2005 02:44:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2005 02:44:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2005 02:44:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2005 02:44:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2005 02:44:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 02:44:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050509211032.86981E5BC9@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 63 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.203.144 From: "Tom" Subject: {AMSF} Re: kfrc am 160 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Maybe they should be at 160, it wouldn't make much difference. From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon May 09 21:36:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10234 invoked from network); 10 May 2005 04:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2005 04:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2005 04:36:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2005 04:36:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2005 04:36:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 04:36:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 187 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.122.181.36 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: kfrc am 160 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" wrote: > Maybe they should be at 160, it wouldn't make much difference. And with the calls KSUCK of corse. Jim Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue May 10 00:34:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@YAHOOGROUPS.COM Received: (qmail 30847 invoked from network); 10 May 2005 07:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2005 07:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.181) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2005 07:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.122.181.36 with login) by smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2005 07:34:38 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c55532$fd510bc0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 00:36:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Subject: Telefunken Operetta Stereo 5650 2 SW bands AM FM Stereo 70's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I was just given a Telefunken Operetta Stereo 5650 2 SW bands AM FM Stereo table radio. In behind it has a slide bar for the ferrett bar anttena. It sounds a bit rough. Would it be worth fixing or no? Its a solid state radio. Just wondering . I have herd good things about Telefunken. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brian60420@yahoo.com Tue May 10 12:22:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30255 invoked from network); 10 May 2005 19:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2005 19:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2005 19:22:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2005 19:22:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2005 19:22:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 19:22:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1473 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.24.179.11 From: "brian60420" Subject: Re: XM 6 Retro casts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 I use my XM Roady and an Alfredo Lite AM Stereo transmitter in my car and another in my house. If you want the "real" KOIL experience, you need to hear it on AM not FM. Try an Alfredo Lite and a GE III. It sounds awesome too. brian --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26" wrote: > I have the SkyFi 2 and the built in FM Transmitter sends to all my FM radios in the house. My analog radios will not be going obsolete anytime soon. Oh and it does have that third memory preset bank !!!! And all filled !!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Mousie > Sent: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:32:15 -0700 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: XM 6 Retro casts > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > > In case anyone it interested in retro radio broadcasts, > recreations > > XM channel 6 (60's Decades Channel) does retro re creations of famous > > oldies, Rock and rock stations of the 1960's with requests.. Right > > I'm an XM subscriber. :) > > 50's on 5 does similar retro stuff, too, with somew good talent. > > (Cool Bobby B.'s Doo-Wop Stop brings out some excellent, little- heard > doo-wop. :) ) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (All 20 of my SkyFi's presets are filled- Wish it had a third bank, > because I know I could add more easily. :) ) > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue May 10 17:44:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99698 invoked from network); 11 May 2005 00:44:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2005 00:44:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2005 00:44:30 -0000 X-Node: 4 Received: from stodd (modem0317-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.212.63]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j4B0iRgR008163 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 19:44:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004501c555c2$c299c180$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000c01c55532$fd510bc0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 19:45:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Telefunken Operetta Stereo 5650 2 SW bands AM FM Stereo 70's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It probably would, though I know I won't have the time to do it. BTW- should be ordering the parts for your ASE-1 later this week! Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > Hi Gang I was just given a Telefunken Operetta Stereo 5650 2 SW bands AM FM Stereo table radio. In behind it has a slide bar for the ferrett bar anttena. It sounds a bit rough. Would it be worth fixing or no? Its a solid state radio. Just wondering . I have herd good things about Telefunken. Jim Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed May 11 04:21:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@YAHOOGROUPS.COM Received: (qmail 32901 invoked from network); 11 May 2005 11:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2005 11:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2005 11:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.126.221.201 with login) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2005 11:21:51 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c5561b$e7dc3000$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 04:23:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.170.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: Subject: IBOC at night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Has any budy hard anything about iboc at night yet? Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditpro@cox.net Wed May 11 12:11:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20740 invoked from network); 11 May 2005 19:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2005 19:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.59) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2005 19:11:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n30.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2005 19:10:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2005 19:10:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:10:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c5561b$e7dc3000$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 368 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.0.17.189 From: "JC" Subject: Re: IBOC at night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hi Gang Has any budy hard anything about iboc at night yet? Jim Smith > Jim, Someone told me a little while back that the iBiquity folks were telling the attendees at the NAB convention that the moratorium had been lifted. I have yet to get any sort of confirmation on this, though. : ) JC From BKGardner99@comcast.net Wed May 11 15:21:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: BKGardner99@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69141 invoked from network); 11 May 2005 22:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2005 22:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2005 22:21:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2005 22:21:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2005 22:21:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 22:21:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c5561b$e7dc3000$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 570 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 164.156.153.202 From: "got2bfunky99" Subject: Re: IBOC at night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168033021 X-Yahoo-Profile: got2bfunky99 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hi Gang Has any budy hard anything about iboc at night yet? Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I don't know the answer to your question, but you might want to read the latest "testimonial" on Leornard Kahn's website at http://www.wrathofkahn.org that has a writeup from someone whose CAM-D installation virtually eliminated the sideband interference from another IBOC station 20 Hz up the dial from them that is everyone's concern for IBOC nighttime operation. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 12 06:32:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53255 invoked from network); 12 May 2005 13:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2005 13:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14225.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.109) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2005 13:32:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 91009 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2005 13:32:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050512133211.91007.qmail@web14225.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web14225.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 May 2005 06:32:11 PDT Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 06:32:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 66.163.171.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John P." Subject: re: IBOC at Night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Our "good friends" at the NRSC (aka ClearChannel cronies) have highly recommended IBOC on AM at night along with iBiquity digital across the board, instead of mandating minimum receiver standards and offering CAM-D and C-Quam with digital filtering and buffering. Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu May 12 16:17:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98350 invoked from network); 12 May 2005 23:17:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2005 23:17:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2005 23:17:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 May 2005 16:17:25 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.209 by BAY106-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 12 May 2005 23:17:25 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 23:17:25 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2005 23:17:25.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[C249B780:01C55748] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: IBOC at Night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 John P of Toledo wrote: >Our "good friends" at the NRSC (aka > ClearChannel cronies) have highly >recommended IBOC on AM at night along > with iBiquity digital across the board, >instead of mandating minimum receiver > standards ....... Well, this certainly will be a boon for Sirius and XM satellite radio. Wit= h less and less programming choices on the am band(as well as the fm band) = and more horrible nighttime reception on the am band, ..... this could driv= e a lot of people to satellite radio.......... so I guess in that respect, = Satellite radio should be very grateful to the NRSC and the FCC. I have already been driven from commercial radio, but there are some listen= ers left on the commercial bands that I suppose the NRSC and FCC have yet t= o drive away; then maybe the FCC could auction off the entire am band to he= lp our ever-growing deficit; so all in all this could be good; it could hel= p lessen the deficit and help the economy with people buying satellite radi= os and subscribing to Sirius and XM. Donn 27.761 degrees latitude north -----Original Message----- From: John P. Sent: Thu, 12 May 2005 06:32:11 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} re: IBOC at Night Our "good friends" at the NRSC (aka ClearChannel cronies) have highly recommended IBOC on AM at night along with iBiquity digital across the boar= d, instead of mandating minimum receiver standards and offering CAM-D and C-Qu= am with digital filtering and buffering. =09=09 Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu May 12 16:54:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49048 invoked from network); 12 May 2005 23:54:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2005 23:54:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2005 23:54:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 May 2005 16:53:59 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.201 by BAY101-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 12 May 2005 23:53:59 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 19:53:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2005 23:53:59.0951 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE0E61F0:01C5574D] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: IBOC at Night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Donn Tillman wrote: >this could drive a lot of people to satellite radio Sirius Music channels and all of Muzac's channels are on Ku band DVB satellite Echostar 7 (119 degrees) in MPEG Layer 2. Most are in the clear. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cainbryan@yahoo.com Thu May 12 18:21:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cainbryan@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80765 invoked from network); 13 May 2005 01:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2005 01:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.57) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2005 01:21:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n28.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2005 01:21:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2005 01:21:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 01:21:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 402 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.212.159.164 From: "cainbryan" Subject: Eton Advos Sirius and XM capable SWs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185949349 X-Yahoo-Profile: cainbryan i just bought a copy of "PASSPORT" , and there is massive advertising from Eton, who now dominates Radio Shack apparently.They have a new portable unit which can come with either XM or Sirius setup, a detached plug-in receiver for the SATs, along with am, fm, and pretty excellent SW capablity(1711-29999khz).Assuming Eton is sold at Shack, this is a formidable competitor coming out of the gate. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu May 12 23:15:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@YAHOOGROUPS.COM Received: (qmail 75315 invoked from network); 13 May 2005 06:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2005 06:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.82) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2005 06:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.126.220.196 with login) by smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2005 06:15:48 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c55783$7bf65280$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 23:17:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.170.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Subject: WSM AM 650 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Well i have some good news about WSM AM 650. The enganeer said he will not put IBOC on the air. But he said he will not put C-QUAM back on the air because of lack of radios and lack of loudness on mono radios. I gave him the link to here. So maybe he will change his mind.Watt Hairston PH (615)458-2446 whairston@wsmoline.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Fri May 13 00:16:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79723 invoked from network); 13 May 2005 07:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2005 07:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2005 07:16:04 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.181.169]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.330.8) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 03:20:38 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c5578b$c40d3e00$a9b50642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 03:17:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: IBOC at Night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Like Donn, I too use XM a lot more now. I still like WCBS in the morning, and will keep listening to them for news. One thing I keep wondering about: How long will it be before the FCC gets involved with sat radio and tries to regulate it? I am frankly surprised it hasn't happened already. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Donn Tillman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 13 01:10:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24286 invoked from network); 13 May 2005 08:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2005 08:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2005 08:10:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2005 08:09:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2005 08:09:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:09:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c5578b$c40d3e00$a9b50642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 491 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.245.7 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: IBOC at Night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Like Donn, I too use XM a lot more now. I still like WCBS in the morning, and will keep listening to them for news. One thing I keep wondering about: How long will it be before the FCC gets involved with sat radio and tries to regulate it? I am frankly surprised it hasn't happened already. All they would have to do is move all operations except subscriptions and licensing out of the country. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Fri May 13 02:36:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55093 invoked from network); 13 May 2005 09:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2005 09:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2005 09:36:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n30.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2005 09:35:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2005 09:35:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:35:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 377 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.116.135 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: IBOC at Night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I think if it's a paid service, they won't touch it. But don't give them any ideas.... Tom How long will it be before the FCC gets involved with > sat radio and tries to regulate it? I am frankly surprised it hasn't > happened already. > > All they would have to do is move all operations except subscriptions > and licensing out of the country. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From starship_2001@msn.com Fri May 13 03:25:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95615 invoked from network); 13 May 2005 10:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2005 10:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2005 10:25:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 May 2005 03:25:57 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.207 by BAY106-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 13 May 2005 10:25:56 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:25:56 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2005 10:25:57.0438 (UTC) FILETIME=[26A3BDE0:01C557A6] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: IBOC at Night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Me to . And i have sirius too. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Cuff Sent: Fri, 13 May 2005 00:17:03 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: IBOC at Night Like Donn, I too use XM a lot more now. I still like WCBS in the morning, a= nd will keep listening to them for news. One thing I keep wondering about: = How long will it be before the FCC gets involved with sat radio and tries t= o regulate it? I am frankly surprised it hasn't happened already. CC ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Donn Tillman=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Links From starship_2001@msn.com Fri May 13 04:16:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67068 invoked from network); 13 May 2005 11:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2005 11:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.79) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2005 11:16:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 May 2005 04:15:42 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.207 by BAY106-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 13 May 2005 11:15:41 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:15:41 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2005 11:15:42.0882 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A1A5820:01C557AD] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSM AM 650 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646 X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 WSM 650 feed is also carried on sirius channel 137. They maybe switching t= he spots for sirius in house spots. The actual broadcast other then the spo= ts is the same.=20 I do not detect any stereo seperation on the stream. -----Original Message----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sent: Thu, 12 May 2005 23:17:46 -0700 To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Subject: {AMSF} WSM AM 650 Hi Gang Well i have some good news about WSM AM 650. The enganeer said = he will not put IBOC on the air. But he said he will not put C-QUAM back on= the air because of lack of radios and lack of loudness on mono radios. I= gave him the link to here. So maybe he will change his mind.Watt Hairston = PH (615)458-2446 whairston@wsmoline.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Links From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 13 11:09:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99759 invoked from network); 13 May 2005 18:08:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2005 18:08:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2005 18:08:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2005 18:08:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2005 18:08:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:08:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 660 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.245.7 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: IBOC at Night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" wrote: > I think if it's a paid service, they won't touch it. But don't give > them any ideas.... Considering right now, XM is discussing allowing service to be subscribed to with the Canadian government, and possibly including the CBC in the programming, who knows? XM's satellite footprints cover all of the US, as well as the northern third of Mexico, western Caribbean to the US Virgin Islands, and all of southern and eastern Canada.. If they moved operations anywhere in their range outside the border, they could. Not like any of it NEEDS to be centralized. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri May 13 14:04:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51183 invoked from network); 13 May 2005 21:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2005 21:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2005 21:04:36 -0000 X-Node: 1 Received: from stodd (modem0494-pli-tnt-mpls1.cpinternet.com [64.61.218.240]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j4DL4OoE009880 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 16:04:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006301c557ff$8d8afba0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000c01c55783$7bf65280$20a4fea9@jimsmith> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:05:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSM AM 650 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude We've been around the block before on this one- it happened a few years before you joined. Good to know they won't be one of the jammers, though. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > Hi Gang Well i have some good news about WSM AM 650. The enganeer said he will not put IBOC on the air. But he said he will not put C-QUAM back on the air because of lack of radios and lack of loudness on mono radios. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 13 16:56:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96249 invoked from network); 13 May 2005 23:56:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2005 23:56:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2005 23:56:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2005 23:56:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2005 23:56:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 23:56:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c55783$7bf65280$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 794 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.87.135 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: WSM AM 650 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Hi Gang Well i have some good news about WSM AM 650. The > enganeer said he will not put IBOC on the air. But he said he will > not put C-QUAM back on the air because of lack of radios and lack > of loudness on mono radios. I gave him the link to here. So maybe > he will change his mind. Well, right away I know two things: 1.) he hasn't seen all the brand new 2005 Ford vehicles with AM Stereo-equipped radios, and 2.) he hasn't heard 1680 WTTM, whose full AM Stereo signal is both one of the loudest _and_ one of the cleanest-sounding stations on the dial (mostly thanks to an Optimod 9100-B2 and an engineer who knows how to set everything up just right). But at least it's good that WSM hasn't been bitten by the digital rattlesnake known as "HD (Highly Distorted) Radio"! From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Fri May 13 20:06:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25651 invoked from network); 14 May 2005 03:06:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2005 03:06:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au) (150.229.7.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2005 03:06:15 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au (138.194.3.56) by act-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au with SMTP; 14 May 2005 13:06:13 +1000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,108,1114956000"; d="scan'208"; a="44630280:sNHT24668508" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 14 May 2005 13:06:12 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 13:06:12 +1000 Message-ID: <301F0FCB8B8F3542B0F6C31E1EA5F86817F78F@exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: WSM AM 650 Thread-Index: AcVYF2qQ0a3fvVvyRKmH/OP9ZA9BNwAGSguA To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2005 03:06:12.0693 (UTC) FILETIME=[E284E850:01C55831] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Subject: A view from Oz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933 I'm still fighting for AM stereo in Australia - but things are continually = looking more grim. I'm really looking forward to something better replacing it. Yet nothing i= s on our horizon - despite so many possibilities being in the wind. I find= it really hard to go backwards - which is my spin on things not happening = here in Oz. This is an interesting insight from Andy Grace ... a popular and knowledgea= ble DJ in Melbourne and Sydney over several decades. His opininions on US radio should be of interest to many here. - - - - OK I'll chime in - I don't often post here anymore due to the ridiculous=20 signal/noise ratio, but this is an interesting subject that I'll respond to= .=20 > But I'm getting sick of all these pipe dreams. There may be many=20 > "solutions" but none ever seem to arrive.=20 This is very true, but there's a good reason for it. Technology is now=20 moving so quickly that new and better standards are coming thick and=20 fast - it's a software upgradeable world, we don't want fixed hardware.=20 The thinking is, if we wait a bit longer we can get a better standard=20 but we've waited so long that the very medium itself is threatened with=20 irrelevancy.=20 Yes, DRM and Eureka 147 DAB will probably be commercially introduced but=20 the chances of them becoming popular are slim. It's just too little,=20 too late. Welcome to the all video multimedia world - even DAB is=20 morphing into DMB to send video to handsets.=20 > I'm all for DRM. I've heard it demonstrated on Radio Australia and it=20 > seems sensational - especially over long distances.=20 Yes, DRM does sound pretty good, even with 9/10kHz channel spacing, and=20 the double bandwidth versions 18/20 kHz do look promising indeed. The=20 recent announcement to transmit DRM in the VHF broadcast band sounds=20 interesting, but shortwave is well and truly dead. When the BBC switched=20 off their transmitters to Australia, that signalled the end of the=20 medium to all but the oldie die-hard SWLs.=20 > Then ... WHY ARE WE WAITING!!!=20 Incumbents didn't want to change the status quo as it might have=20 threatened their business model, but as mentioned the industry was=20 seeing new codecs and modulation systems coming thick and fast and=20 didn't want to do another B-MAC, where the government chose a satellite=20 video standard early on, only to be left behind when Europe went with=20 D1/D2-MAC and then digital came along, obsoleting all of them.=20 > I love radio - and have all my life.=20 > In Oz we've had to wait 20 years (after the US) for commercial FM.=20 > WHY?=20 Similar reasons as above. Incumbents, and VHF TV in the FM broadcast band.= =20 > We were made to wait 10 years for AM stereo. WHY?=20 Actually we were early with AM stereo, and again chose a standard=20 Motorola C-QUAM, when there were five different standards out there. The=20 US let the market decide, and it decided not to listen to AM stereo.=20 > Now we're still waiting for DAB - which is successfully going in the UK=20 > and Europe. WHY?=20 Successful is a matter of interpretation. In actual fact DAB is going=20 relatively poorly considering how long it has been running and how much=20 it gets promoted. Yes, it has had a small impact in the UK but most=20 people listen to the new digital radio stations on their Digital TV=20 receivers or on Satellite. There are a million or so DAB radios in the=20 market, but that's nothing compared with the number of Freeview set-top=20 boxes (6m+ in less than three years) and Sky receivers (8m+). Economies=20 of scale have led to the crazy situation that a Freeview receiver is=20 less than half the cost of the cheapest DAB receiver. Even the audio=20 quality is better on DTV - ironic that people are actually using their=20 TVs to listen to radio, and the UK radio industry is taking note and=20 looking at how to make their radio stations little TV stations.=20 Eureka 147 DAB technology is now quite old, dating back to the 1980s.=20 In some countries where there is no new programming on DAB (and you can=20 bet there won't be much new programming here) it's been so badly=20 received it's going to be turned off due to lack of interest. In Canada=20 it's a complete white elephant and Germany is getting ready to close it=20 down.=20 > Oh yes ... We're finally having digital radio trials (something=20 > promised since 1990). The trial period has ended - but the trails are=20 > continuing. WHY?=20 We've had DAB trials for almost a decade now (since mid 1995) and there=20 is probably only a very small market for it. The industry here in=20 Australia has recently been a bit pro-active for digital as they are=20 scared that their audience will disappear in the same way that US=20 listeners are disappearing.=20 > Are the idiots in charge so lunatic that they can't even scratch=20 > themselves? Answer: Yes. WHY?=20 > Because too many of those in charge have their snouts in the trough and=20 > they don't give a rat's clacker about the big picture for all of us.=20 Here's the problem. For the vast majority of people, radio is quite=20 satisfactory as is. The difference between a good FM stereo signal and=20 a digital stream is negligible. Even narrowband mono AM is more than=20 sufficient for most audiences, otherwise AM talk stations wouldn't be=20 the market leaders in Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide. It's not the=20 audio quality, it's the content.=20 > I'm not technical - but I know what I hear. AM stereo is the best that=20 > current AM can sound. FM sounds good but sometimes is difficult to=20 > tune and the stereo drops out. IBOC in the US is a dog - and has=20 > probably put USA radio back 20 years.=20 You're of course entitled to your opinion re quality, although most=20 tuners are now phase locked to the carrier frequency so tuning becomes a=20 non-issue.=20 Actually the US version of digital HDRadio (IBOC/IBAC) is very good=20 indeed - don't believe the hype. It works really well, with excellent=20 sound quality using modern MPEG4 AAC codecs at low-moderate bit rates.=20 I was very impressed with the demos and final units at NAB in Las Vegas=20 just a week ago. The signal is rock solid even with a significantly=20 lower transmitter power output and the receivers were strongly locked to=20 signal when even the analogue signal was poor.=20 The problem was there was barely a soul there to see it. The attendance=20 at the radio hall was astonishingly low. The video and multimedia halls=20 were packed with well over 100,000 attendees through the show. In=20 contrast the radio halls were almost a dead zone - it seemed like there=20 were more exhibitors than attendees!=20 Radio in the States is in trouble. They're hoping against hope that=20 HDRadio will pull them out of the mess they've found themselves in. I=20 doubt it will have much impact at all. Check out the Edison/Arbitron=20 figures and see how the lower demographics are listening to less and=20 less radio every year. With iPods/MP3 players, broadband (and now=20 wireless) Internet, hundreds of channels of TV, satellite radio and=20 more, radio's just being drowned out - partially because of the dearth=20 of decent programming but probably more because folks have just moved=20 on. When there were three or four TV stations and a paper or two,=20 radio found it easy to stand out. Radio's quickly becoming a minnow in=20 the media landscape - sure quality audio programming will never die=20 completely, it's just become increasingly irrelevant.=20 DRM and DAB will be good for radio enthusiasts, but in Australia that=20 isn't really a commercial market worth pursuing. Might be better to=20 forget radio altogether, and concentrate on streaming audio and video=20 over the Internet. That is the future of radio - wireless broadband IP=20 everywhere - not some old fashioned transmitter that locks us into a=20 technology that is outdated the moment it is released.=20 Regards=20 Andy Grace=20 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 13 20:47:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9023 invoked from network); 14 May 2005 03:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2005 03:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2005 03:47:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2005 03:47:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2005 03:47:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 03:46:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 437 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.87.135 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Mini CCRadio teaser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics They're not spilling any details yet, but the C.Crane Co. will be introducing a "Mini" version of their CCRadio: http://www.miniccradio.com/ As they say, "We focused on the two most important features of a radio: reception and sound quality." Hopefully that "sound quality" will include some decent audio bandwidth on AM, rather than the muddy narrowband "tuned to the human voice" audio that the regular CCRadio is known for. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat May 14 03:32:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23337 invoked from network); 14 May 2005 10:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2005 10:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2005 10:32:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 May 2005 03:32:26 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.209 by BAY106-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 14 May 2005 10:32:26 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 10:32:26 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2005 10:32:26.0705 (UTC) FILETIME=[3912EC10:01C55870] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: re View from Oz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Ian, Thanks for the article from Andy Grace. It was a long article, but several paragraphs seemed to sum things up: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Because too many of those in charge have their snouts in the trough and=20 > they don't give a rat's clacker about the big picture for all of us.=20 Here's the problem. For the vast majority of people, radio is quite=20 satisfactory as is. The difference between a good FM stereo signal and=20 a digital stream is negligible. Even narrowband mono AM is more than=20 sufficient for most audiences, otherwise AM talk stations wouldn't be=20 the market leaders in Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide. It's not the=20 audio quality, it's the content.=20 > I'm not technical - but I know what I hear. AM stereo is the best that=20 > current AM can sound. FM sounds good but sometimes is difficult to=20 > tune and the stereo drops out. IBOC in the US is a dog - and has=20 > probably put USA radio back 20 years.=20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ and... our of those several important paragraphs, the most important phrase= is" >it's the content Something that the U.S. broadcasting empires, whether secular or religious = or a blending of the two (i.e. Genesis) seems to have totally ignored. Donn, listening to BBC Newshour(for real news as opposed to entertainment and opi= nion pretending to be "news") From cainbryan@yahoo.com Sat May 14 09:29:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cainbryan@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10466 invoked from network); 14 May 2005 16:29:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2005 16:29:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2005 16:29:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2005 16:28:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2005 16:28:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 16:28:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 589 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.255.230.213 From: "cainbryan" Subject: Re: Mini CCRadio teaser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185949349 X-Yahoo-Profile: cainbryan RE: I have the standard one, and it it's a heavy beastie. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > They're not spilling any details yet, but the C.Crane Co. will be > introducing a "Mini" version of their CCRadio: > > http://www.miniccradio.com/ > > As they say, "We focused on the two most important features of a > radio: reception and sound quality." Hopefully that "sound quality" > will include some decent audio bandwidth on AM, rather than the muddy > narrowband "tuned to the human voice" audio that the regular CCRadio > is known for. From fmlondon@hotmail.com Sun May 15 14:57:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmlondon@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53736 invoked from network); 15 May 2005 21:57:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2005 21:57:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.25) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2005 21:57:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 May 2005 14:57:39 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.204 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 15 May 2005 21:57:38 GMT X-Originating-Email: [fmlondon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: fmlondon@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 21:57:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2005 21:57:39.0025 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C56DC10:01C55999] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "fredric london" Subject: SRF-A1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37558560 X-Yahoo-Profile: fmlondon Does anyone have a spare SRF-A1 you'd like to get rid of? Thanks. Fredric M. London From badeditpro@cox.net Sun May 15 18:07:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37070 invoked from network); 16 May 2005 01:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2005 01:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.240.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2005 01:07:30 -0000 Received: from yourfd6nvjcer4 ([68.0.17.189]) by lakermmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050516010652.JAGY11036.lakermmtao01.cox.net@yourfd6nvjcer4> for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 21:06:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c559b3$8cecbbb0$bd110044@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 21:06:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: AUDIO PROCESSING FOR HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, I ran across this nifty article written by Frank Foti about audio processing for HD Radio and I thought I'd share it with you. http://www.omniaaudio.com/tech/Audio_Processing&HD-Radio.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From baansy@yahoo.com Tue May 17 19:31:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80071 invoked from network); 18 May 2005 02:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2005 02:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2005 02:31:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2005 02:31:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2005 02:31:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 02:31:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 429 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 220.235.117.104 From: "baansy" Subject: 5AD ADELAIDE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy Just found a website about 5AD Adelaide. They had a reunion late last year. There is also an old logo stating "STEREO 1323". Go to www.5adreunion.com/news3.htm or www.5adreunion.com/news1.htm. 5AD went to FM in the early 90's and became 5AD FM for a while and is now called MIX 102.3. 5DN then moved from 972Khz to where 5AD was on 1323Khz. Just earlier this year 5DN was axed. We now get SEN from Melbourne 24hrs a day. From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Tue May 17 20:54:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31550 invoked from network); 18 May 2005 03:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2005 03:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au) (150.229.7.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2005 03:54:17 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au (138.194.3.56) by act-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au with SMTP; 18 May 2005 13:53:17 +1000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,116,1114956000"; d="scan'208"; a="45224744:sNHT20120738" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 18 May 2005 13:53:15 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:53:15 +1000 Message-ID: <301F0FCB8B8F3542B0F6C31E1EA5F868239727@exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} 5AD ADELAIDE Thread-Index: AcVbUdpXw/fyBkkeRa+x2P835Zr6twACmWsg To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2005 03:53:16.0024 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F020780:01C55B5D] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} 5AD ADELAIDE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933 -----Original Message----- From: baansy > 5DN then moved from 972Khz to where 5AD was on 1323Khz.=20 > Just earlier this year 5DN was axed. > We now get SEN from Melbourne 24hrs a day.=20 And the ratings for the new station are ... Dec 6.4 (5DN)=20=20 Feb 3.1 (SEN)=20 Mar 1.6 (SEN)=20 May 1.4 (SEN)=20 Proving once again that people in one capital city shouldn't have to put up= with networking from another capital city. =20 Clear Channel stuffs up again!=20 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 17 23:20:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82894 invoked from network); 18 May 2005 06:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2005 06:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2005 06:20:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2005 06:20:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2005 06:20:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 06:20:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 395 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.87.1 From: "Kevin T." Subject: WLS & WRDZ: committed to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As seen on the Radio-Tech mailing list yesterday: Subject: [RT] AM Stereo From: Shulz, Warren G Date: Tue May 17 09:18:40 CDT 2005 I have the last C-QUAM stereo stations in the world. WLS and WRDZ are staying C-Quam until the IBOC directive appears. The FCC does not appear to be following its own rules, nor do the licensees. No comment. Warren Shulz WLS CGO From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 18 12:30:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9081 invoked from network); 18 May 2005 19:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2005 19:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2005 19:30:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2005 19:29:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2005 19:29:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:29:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1450 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.110.152 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: WLS & WRDZ: committed to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > As seen on the Radio-Tech mailing list yesterday: > > > Subject: [RT] AM Stereo > From: Shulz, Warren G > Date: Tue May 17 09:18:40 CDT 2005 > > I have the last C-QUAM stereo stations in the world. WLS and WRDZ > are staying C-Quam until the IBOC directive appears. The FCC does > not appear to be following its own rules, nor do the licensees. > No comment. > > Warren Shulz > WLS CGO I know a few others who are just as dedicated to C-QUAM AM stereo- Stations like KEVA and KMER in Wyoming, WSOS in St. Augustine, FL, WTTM in NJ, KCJJ in Iowa, KVON in Napa, CA, CFCO up in Ontario... There are these and many other stations who are keeping the light on, standing for the cause in the face of such entrenched adversity from corporate interests. AM stereo is a labor of love, and I am proud of those who will give their support, not only as broadcasters and engineers, but of people like Chris Cuff and Jeff Deck, and others who are willing to put radios in the hands of those who want to hear AM stereo. And I'm proud of those listeners dedicated to listening to AM stereo- The ones who not only put their time and effort into the cause, but the money spent on radios and equipment to further advance the cause of AM stereo, a unique experience unliuke any other medium-- And I wouldn't have it any other way. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 18 12:39:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85595 invoked from network); 18 May 2005 19:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2005 19:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2005 19:39:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2005 19:38:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2005 19:38:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:38:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 512 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.110.152 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Relevance of AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie In spite the fact some stations have vowed to stick with AM stereo, AMS seems to be increasingly irrelevant...or has it? Could you see a future of analog AM stereo in broadcasting, even by dedicated stations? Could AMS translate outside of its traditional medium of the mediumwave broadcast band-- and would you support it? Would you give up AM stereo? Or would you do everything you could to keep AMS alive and going? And just what would you do? Has AM stereo really become irrelevant? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed May 18 16:45:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95952 invoked from network); 18 May 2005 23:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2005 23:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2005 23:45:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2005 21:28:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2005 21:28:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 21:28:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 270 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.181.196.176 From: "pianoplayer88key" Subject: how to contact KDIS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 May 2005 23:45:06 -0000 Does anyone have contact information for KDIS? I was thinking it'd be nice to drop them a line letting them know that I appreciate them running in C-Quam AM Stereo, and try to listen to them whenever I have an opportunity even though I can't get much of a signal here. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed May 18 16:45:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96364 invoked from network); 18 May 2005 23:45:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2005 23:45:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2005 23:45:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2005 23:44:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2005 23:44:59 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29856 invoked from network); 18 May 2005 21:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2005 21:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2005 21:24:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2005 21:23:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2005 21:23:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 21:23:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 624 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.181.196.176 From: "pianoplayer88key" Subject: Re: WLS & WRDZ: committed to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 May 2005 23:44:57 -0000 Also KDIS in Pasadena (Los Angeles), CA, is still C-Quam, as confirmed earlier this week on my SRF-42 when i was in Moreno Valley. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > As seen on the Radio-Tech mailing list yesterday: > > > Subject: [RT] AM Stereo > From: Shulz, Warren G > Date: Tue May 17 09:18:40 CDT 2005 > > I have the last C-QUAM stereo stations in the world. WLS and WRDZ > are staying C-Quam until the IBOC directive appears. The FCC does > not appear to be following its own rules, nor do the licensees. > No comment. > > Warren Shulz > WLS CGO From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 18 18:57:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58147 invoked from network); 19 May 2005 01:57:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2005 01:57:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2005 01:57:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2005 01:57:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2005 01:57:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 01:57:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 988 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.110.152 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: WLS & WRDZ: committed to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > Also KDIS in Pasadena (Los Angeles), CA, is still C-Quam, as confirmed > earlier this week on my SRF-42 when i was in Moreno Valley. Unfortunately, being Disney/ABC-owned, they're committed to going IBOC, so unless I learn otherwise, I wouldn't say that any stations like them will be committed to keep the pilot light on and the quadrature modulated. But stations like those I did mention HAVE publicly stated they're committed to staying C-QUAM until they can't any longer. It becomes harder with more stations being gobbled up by large corporations who are more interested in corporate interests than integrity to a perceived "failure" of a stereophonic system. Like I said, it's a labor of love. Do everything you can to tell those who are not giving up C-QUAM that you appreciate it. That way, the stations will know their commitment to AM stereo is not in vain. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed May 18 19:03:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88983 invoked from network); 19 May 2005 02:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2005 02:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2005 02:03:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2005 02:03:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2005 02:03:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 02:03:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 209 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.87.1 From: "Kevin T." Subject: The death of HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here's an interesting editorial which brings up many good reasons why unless things change drastically, IBOC / "HD Radio" will be a failure: http://www.radiomarketingnexus.com/2005/05/the_premature_d.html From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 18 20:36:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 444 invoked from network); 19 May 2005 03:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2005 03:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2005 03:36:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2005 03:36:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2005 03:36:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 03:36:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1377 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.110.152 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: The death of HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Here's an interesting editorial which brings up many good reasons > why unless things change drastically, IBOC / "HD Radio" will be a > failure: > > http://www.radiomarketingnexus.com/2005/05/the_premature_d.html Good editorial, although it does miss a point, and it was raised by the commenbts that followed. It'[s not the choice or type of content- It's the QUALITY of the content that has been the driving force to those buying satellite radio, like myself. When I bought my XM in February, XM just got past the 3 million subscriber mark. It hits 4 million by this weekend. It's the programming, stupid! QUALITY programming. RELEVANT programming! It's like I said before: The reason why people bought into CDs and DVDs was not for the geekiness or that it's "digital", but because they're CONVENIENT and comparatively indestructable. Now, when stations wake up to notice that they HAD an audiencd, and that they NEED an audience, instead of being mark(ing) placeholders (and that's all they seem to be used as!), then maybe there will be a future for radio. But considering how well corporates have managed to cause listeners to TURN OFF their radios, they're actually going to have to RESELL the whole notion of radio! Good luck, 'cos you're gonna need it! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Wed May 18 20:39:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86044 invoked from network); 19 May 2005 03:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2005 03:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2005 03:39:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2005 03:39:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2005 03:39:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 03:39:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 635 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.178.146.94 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: The death of HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948 X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Here's an interesting editorial which brings up many good reasons > why unless things change drastically, IBOC / "HD Radio" will be a > failure: > > http://www.radiomarketingnexus.com/2005/05/the_premature_d.html Great article! As he said, HD radio is a solution for which there's no problem and it won't help banal programming. There are only two ways HD radio will succeed and neither involve choice. 1. The next generation of cars will have only HD radio (with satellite as an option) 2. the FCC mandates a cut off date for analog broadcasts. db From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 18 21:17:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97250 invoked from network); 19 May 2005 04:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2005 04:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.58) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2005 04:17:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2005 04:17:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2005 04:17:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 04:17:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 666 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.110.152 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: The death of HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie If stations got back to "Live and Local", they might stand a chance- That is, be relevant to, and SERVE, their community of license, they might have a fighting chance. All the GOOD stations run live & local programming. It's gotten so bad that in spite of having 2-3 stastions running live & local here in the Humboldt Bay area, that in order to get public safety information out, the State of California Department of Transportation ("CalTrans") has put up an LPFM station at 98.1 MHz to do just that! Here is one complete loop of their current broadcast: http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/upload-here- please/kmke-lp.mp3 Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu May 19 03:07:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36466 invoked from network); 19 May 2005 10:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2005 10:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO omc3-s30.bay6.hotmail.com) (65.54.249.104) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2005 10:06:57 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.51.17]) by omc3-s30.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 19 May 2005 03:06:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 May 2005 03:06:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 May 2005 10:06:55 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 06:06:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2005 10:06:55.0477 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C74D250:01C55C5A] Return-Path: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.249.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: RE: {AMSF} The death of HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Kevin - Thanks for this link and very timely also. I was doing a bandscan last night and found WKAR 870 (East Lansing, MI) is now IBOC. This has happened some time within the last week. This is now the closest station to me (some 40 miles away) and is running 10kW. As noted with other stations, the adjacent frequencies are hashed that wasn't there before. The other Michigan State University stations, WKAR 90.5 and WDBM 88.9, have been IBOC for some time. I'm going to contact them and let them know the recent change isn't appreciated. Hopefully, this link will help. Rant over, Paul Crane Jackson, MI >From: "Kevin T." >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} The death of HD Radio >Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 02:03:01 -0000 > >Here's an interesting editorial which brings up many good reasons >why unless things change drastically, IBOC / "HD Radio" will be a >failure: > >http://www.radiomarketingnexus.com/2005/05/the_premature_d.html > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu May 19 08:49:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59499 invoked from network); 19 May 2005 15:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2005 15:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO omc3-s39.bay6.hotmail.com) (65.54.249.113) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2005 15:49:32 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.51.29]) by omc3-s39.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 19 May 2005 08:49:11 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 May 2005 08:49:11 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:49:10 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 11:49:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2005 15:49:11.0120 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CA74500:01C55C8A] Return-Path: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.249.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: FW: Re: WKAR 870 now IBOC (digital) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851 X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Here's my response from WKAR 870: >From: "Gary Blievernicht" >Reply-To: garyb@wkar.msu.edu >To: "Paul Crane" >CC: harold@wkar.msu.edu >Subject: Re: WKAR 870 now IBOC (digital) >Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 10:44:49 -0400 > >Thank you for your comments. > >Both WKAR-FM and WKAR-AM have added digital HD Radio broadcasting to >our FM and AM radio stations. > >Only three years after the the FCC approved the HD radio standard, the >WKAR stations join 20 other stations in Michigan, and 321 other stations >nationwide in broadcasting in HD radio. An additional 407 stations are >currently >licensed by Ibiquiry but not yet on the air. > http://www.ibiquity.com/cgi-bin/liststations?state=&go=Go%21 > >Of the HD stations in Michigan, four of them are AM: > WKAR, WXYT, WWJ, and WCHB. > >For comparison, 23 years after the FCC authorized C-Quam, only 104 >stations >are currently broadcasting in C-quam. http:/meduci.com/stations.html > >C-Quam may be fine for broadcasting of Stereo on AM, but it just never >achieved any major market penetration. > >With HD radio, we will have the ability to transmit multiple audio programs >on >our FM station, on the AM side, digital transmissions brings an astounding >improvement in the quality of the audio. To some extent, this puts us on a >better footing to compete with satellite radio broadcasting, which is "all >digital." > >Is HD radio perfect? Of course not, there is a downside, especially on AM, >in >that there is added noise that is present on some legacy receivers, our >audio >band-width had to be reduced from 10kHz to 8kHz, and the FCC authorized the >'hash' that is present on the adjacent channels, which will limit coverage >of >some stations. > >It is true that HD radio receivers are very expensive. Ibiquity >corporation is >working with multiple manufactures to bring the price down, and to increase >the >models that are available. High prices at first, followed by lower prices >is typical >of new technology introductions. > >I don't recall, but I can't help but think that in 1985, three years after >the FCC >approved C-Quam, those receivers much have been at a premium compared >to the standard monaural receivers. > > > > > > > > >-- >Gary W. Blievernicht >Broadcasting Services >Michigan State University >212 Communication Arts & Sciences Building >East Lansing, MI 48824 - 1212 >garyb@wkar.msu.edu >phone (517) 432-9527 >phone (517) 432-3120 X 201 >fax (517) 353-7124 > Paul Crane Jackson, MI _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. 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Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 19 19:11:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99458 invoked from network); 20 May 2005 02:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2005 02:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.58) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2005 02:11:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2005 02:11:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2005 02:11:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 02:11:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1285 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.87.1 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: The death of HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It's gotten so bad that in spite of having 2-3 stastions running > live & local here in the Humboldt Bay area, that in order to get > public safety information out, the State of California Department > of Transportation ("CalTrans") has put up an LPFM station at > 98.1 MHz to do just that! Several towns in my area run TIS stations, which are the same basic idea, except on a smaller scale. These stations are actually quite an annoyance to me, since if I can't trust them to update their endless loop of announcements at least once every few weeks, how can I trust them to broadcast "public safety information" ASAP? Also, they clog up frequencies in the Expanded Band which could otherwise bring in some nice DXing opportunities at night. For example, I used to at least have a _chance_ of hearing KCJJ on 1630 kHz, but now all I get is the 10w TIS in North Plainfield, NJ. In the case of a fully licensed LPFM being used in this manner, I think that's a waste, because otherwise someone could be using that station to deliver real programming with real people in the studio, delivering all sorts of information and entertaining locally-oriented radio programs. Instead, we get some Dell in a closet playing a few MP3 announcements in an endless loop. From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri May 20 17:58:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55413 invoked from network); 21 May 2005 00:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2005 00:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2005 00:58:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2005 00:58:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2005 00:58:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 00:58:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1349 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.245.201.220 From: "narkspud" Subject: Cameo-Parkway box X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Just got it. For those that were wondering, there is a grand total of one stereo cut on the entire set: You'll Never Walk Alone by Patty LaBelle and the Blue Belles. And that's just a vocals/instruments split, not real stereo. Mastering is extremely conservative, exactly the way I like it. There are some obvious tape defects--dropouts and high-frequency flanging--but if you check your original C-P vinyl, you'll find it's the same way in the same spots. Levels are kept reasonable, and dynamic range has mercifully not been compromised. I think they did a great job. 96 Tears sounds like it's probably a disc dub, albeit a clean one, and I'm a wee bit suspicious about Let's Twist Again, but I feel confident that the rest of it is from master tapes. If they fooled me, more power to them. I wish South Pacific Twist by the Rocky Fellers was included, and the omission of several Chubby Checker hits seems to indicate a greatest hits package on the way, but those are my only quibbles. And there's lots of great music on here that I'd never heard before, so you can count me as delighted. The discs, BTW, are made to look like records, to the point of pressing them on black plastic. The label side even has fake grooves molded into it. No silver visible anywhere. Neat, unless you have a player that doesn't like the black discs. From droland66@yahoo.com Fri May 20 23:01:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24865 invoked from network); 21 May 2005 06:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2005 06:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2005 06:01:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2005 06:01:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2005 06:01:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 06:01:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 279 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.128.238.135 From: "coaxguy99" Subject: WBDH website for KAHN AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 Has anyone posted this link before? This is a very interesting radio station that broadcasts in Kahn AM Stereo out of Virginia. h**p://www.wbdhradio.com/ It sounds great! I say bring back Kahn ISB now! Read the arguments of why Kahn's system was far better than QCOM. Coax From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 21 01:36:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60594 invoked from network); 21 May 2005 08:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2005 08:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2005 08:36:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2005 08:34:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2005 08:34:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 08:34:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 426 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.18.181 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: WBDH website for KAHN AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "coaxguy99" wrote: > Has anyone posted this link before? This is a very interesting radio > station that broadcasts in Kahn AM Stereo out of Virginia. > > h**p://www.wbdhradio.com/ > > It sounds great! I say bring back Kahn ISB now! Read the arguments > of why Kahn's system was far better than QCOM. Yes, some of us know of this Part 15 station. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sat May 21 06:57:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37457 invoked from network); 21 May 2005 13:57:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2005 13:57:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.192) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2005 13:57:33 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 May 2005 06:57:33 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 69.34.92.129 by BAY22-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 21 May 2005 13:57:32 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 09:57:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2005 13:57:33.0211 (UTC) FILETIME=[0936F6B0:01C55E0D] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.16.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WBDH website for KAHN AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit schematics for his exciter are on the ftp site as well as at http://www.part15.us [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun May 22 17:33:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61651 invoked from network); 23 May 2005 00:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2005 00:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2005 00:33:28 -0000 X-Node: 2 Received: from stodd (modem0202-pli-tnt-mpls1.cpinternet.com [64.61.217.202]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j4N0XO0d007909 for ; Sun, 22 May 2005 19:33:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001201c55f2f$4523c180$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 19:34:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WBDH website for KAHN AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Yeah, we've known about this outfit for some time. Kahn was a better system, but the reality of it is there were better ways to transmit FM stereo too, but CQuAM is the standard on AM as is the GE-Zenith on FM. Kahn is little more than a curiosity now, and most of what few AM stereo radios exist are CQuAM only. Reinventing the wheel would be marketing suicide. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "coaxguy99" > > h**p://www.wbdhradio.com/ > > It sounds great! I say bring back Kahn ISB now! Read the arguments > of why Kahn's system was far better than QCOM. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 23 01:37:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83296 invoked from network); 23 May 2005 08:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2005 08:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2005 08:37:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2005 08:37:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2005 08:37:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:37:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201c55f2f$4523c180$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1063 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.137.71.32 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} WBDH website for KAHN AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Yeah, we've known about this outfit for some time. Kahn was a > better system, but the reality of it is there were better ways to > transmit FM stereo too, but CQuAM is the standard on AM as is the > GE-Zenith on FM. The Kahn system was far from perfect. Although it rendered "platform motion" in a manner which is less annoying than with C-Quam, the Kahn system had inherent problems with mono compatibility, as did the Harris and Magnavox systems. BTW, if you want to have some fun, play the quadraphonic version of Steely Dan's "Rikki Don't Lose That Number" through a C-Quam AM Stereo transmitter, and tune in the signal on a Sony multi-system radio switched to Kahn mode. You'll get fantastic wide-stereo sound, with very distinct left-to-right separation of the vocals and instruments! Normally, receiving a C-Quam signal in Kahn mode destroys true stereo imaging of the audio, but in this case the matrixed quadraphonic audio has a certain kind of front-to-rear phasing which a Kahn decoder can recover as fully separated stereo sound. From dougharding@bellsouth.net Mon May 23 04:32:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27118 invoked from network); 23 May 2005 11:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2005 11:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2005 11:32:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2005 11:32:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2005 11:32:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:32:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201c55f2f$4523c180$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 514 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.6.205.68 From: "douglasharding" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WBDH website for KAHN AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding The only radios that could receive Kann were the Sony SRF-A100 and SRF-A1. These were sold in 1982-1984. EVERY radio made since then including ALL car radios only receive c-quam. Kann's system has been dead for 21 years. Also correct me if I am wrong but I thought Mororola fixed the platform motion problem as part of the AMAX standard. > Kahn is little more than a curiosity now, and most of what few AM stereo radios > exist are CQuAM only. Reinventing the wheel would be marketing suicide. > > Scott Todd From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon May 23 11:31:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68783 invoked from network); 23 May 2005 18:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2005 18:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2005 18:31:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2005 18:30:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2005 18:30:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 18:30:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 711 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.241.218 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WBDH website for KAHN AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > The only radios that could receive Kann were the Sony SRF-A100 and > SRF-A1. These were sold in 1982-1984. EVERY radio made since then > including ALL car radios only receive c-quam. Kann's system has been > dead for 21 years. Also correct me if I am wrong but I thought > Mororola fixed the platform motion problem as part of the AMAX standard. There was also a Sansui and one or two others, including one released by Kahn, himself. The A1 was no longer sold by 1985. The A100 was sold as late as 1989 or 1990- The last I remember seeing it as "new" was by 1987. I got mine in 1985. I miss my A100. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon May 23 12:02:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73180 invoked from network); 23 May 2005 19:02:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2005 19:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2005 19:02:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2005 19:01:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2005 19:01:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 19:01:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 835 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.241.218 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: ISB on a C-QUAM chip? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Can one receive Kahn ISB on a C-QUAM chip? The short answer is YES, with a little effort! First, you'll need an ISB adapter (http://am-st.tripod.com/ISB/ISB_Adapter.html) then you'll need a phase-shift network (http://am-st.tripod.com/ISB/PSN.html) (Sorry- Both are in Japanese- The English translations are on the amstereo.audio-stream site, which is currently down for maintenance, or I'd point to the pages there.) Lastly, you'll need to force AM stereo detection. There are a couple ways to do this- One, disable pilot detection, and two, change the pilot detection value to as close to 0 Hz as possible. This second idea is recommended, as the value of the pilot frequency can be changed. (I've seen this done to change down to 15 Hz for ISB pilot detection or 55 Hz for Harris' VCPM pilot detection.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kya1260@lycos.com Mon May 23 18:29:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23911 invoked from network); 24 May 2005 01:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2005 01:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2005 01:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id CE4851800127 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 01:28:59 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 24 May 2005 01:28:59 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C420A3384B; Tue, 24 May 2005 01:28:59 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; A1.17; B2.12; Q2.03) Received: from [68.125.55.118] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Mon, 23 May 2005 17:28:59 -0800 X-Mailer: mail.lycos.com webmail To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:28:59 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050524012859.C420A3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WBDH website for KAHN AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581 X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Also add the Sony CFS-6000 AM-Stereo boom box, circa 1985, to the Kahn receivers list... Still have mine after all these years, purchased in Feb 1986... --jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WBDH website for KAHN AM Stereo Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 18:30:02 -0000 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" > wrote: > > The only radios that could receive Kann were the Sony SRF-A100 and > > SRF-A1. These were sold in 1982-1984. EVERY radio made since then > > including ALL car radios only receive c-quam. Kann's system has been > > dead for 21 years. Also correct me if I am wrong but I thought > > Mororola fixed the platform motion problem as part of the AMAX > standard. >=20 > There was also a Sansui and one or two others, including one released > by Kahn, himself. >=20 > The A1 was no longer sold by 1985. The A100 was sold as late as 1989 or > 1990- The last I remember seeing it as "new" was by 1987. I got mine in > 1985. I miss my A100. :( >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon May 23 19:43:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25598 invoked from network); 24 May 2005 02:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2005 02:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2005 02:43:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2005 02:43:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2005 02:43:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 02:43:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050524012859.C420A3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 430 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.241.218 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WBDH website for KAHN AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > Also add the Sony CFS-6000 AM-Stereo boom box, circa > 1985, to the Kahn receivers list... > Still have mine after all these years, purchased in > Feb 1986... Makes for nice recordings, too. :) I gotta MP3 what you sent me and put them up on the site. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Just a bit envious of those lucky enough to have multimode AMS receivers.....) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 23 20:26:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85158 invoked from network); 24 May 2005 03:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2005 03:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2005 03:26:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2005 03:26:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2005 03:26:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 03:26:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 602 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.70.3 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} WBDH website for KAHN AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > There was also a Sansui and one or two others, including one > released by Kahn, himself. Multi-system AM Stereo receivers were manufactured by Sony, Sansui, Sanyo, MetroSound, and Kenwood. Sanyo and MetroSound used the Sony multi-system decoder chip, while Sansui used their own design, and I'm not sure what Kenwood used (the Kenwood KRC-939 car radio is supposedly multi-system, but I've never seen one in the flesh). In the 1993 FCC proceedings to choose a standard system for AM Stereo (i.e. C-Quam), they noted that a total of about 280,000 multi-system receivers were manufactured. From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue May 24 07:19:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36283 invoked from network); 24 May 2005 14:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2005 14:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2005 14:19:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2005 14:18:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2005 14:18:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:18:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 381 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.245.201.220 From: "narkspud" Subject: KNX IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Can't believe no one has mentioned this. Maybe I just missed it with this goofy new Yahoo formatting, but KNX 1070 in LA has been transmitting IBOC at least since this past weekend. I first realized it from the increased noise on my very narrow bandwidth car stereo, so anybody who says you can't tell on a "normal" radio is crazy. That it sounds awful goes without saying. From dougharding@bellsouth.net Tue May 24 13:04:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14256 invoked from network); 24 May 2005 20:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2005 20:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2005 20:04:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2005 20:03:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2005 20:03:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 20:03:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 863 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 147.70.96.100 From: "douglasharding" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WBDH website for KAHN AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I stand corrected. I remember something about Motorola threating lawsuits over patent infringment and everyone including Sony stopped making multisystem receivers. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > There was also a Sansui and one or two others, including one > > released by Kahn, himself. > > Multi-system AM Stereo receivers were manufactured by Sony, Sansui, > Sanyo, MetroSound, and Kenwood. Sanyo and MetroSound used the Sony > multi-system decoder chip, while Sansui used their own design, and > I'm not sure what Kenwood used (the Kenwood KRC-939 car radio is > supposedly multi-system, but I've never seen one in the flesh). > > In the 1993 FCC proceedings to choose a standard system for AM Stereo > (i.e. C-Quam), they noted that a total of about 280,000 multi-system > receivers were manufactured. From rwagoner@cox.net Tue May 24 19:43:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48347 invoked from network); 25 May 2005 02:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2005 02:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.241.34) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2005 02:43:39 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050525024339.SCQL8651.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 22:43:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <54a91787febb5781f15f65ca6a97ee18@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 19:43:36 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} KNX IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=uWuwGIFNkKU9Y5p8maQwmkGF1ll5ErExkMeodlWrqEYl4q-7P3NWjF4QE2jE X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I stopped listening to KNX a long time ago. About the time their news=20 reporting went down the toilet. On May 24, 2005, at 7:18 AM, narkspud wrote: > Can't believe no one has mentioned this.=A0 Maybe I just missed it with > this goofy new Yahoo formatting, but KNX 1070 in LA has been > transmitting IBOC at least since this past weekend.=A0 > > I first realized it from the increased noise on my very narrow > bandwidth car stereo, so anybody who says you can't tell on a "normal" > radio is crazy.=A0 > > That it sounds awful goes without saying. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > From bratina501@msn.com Tue May 24 20:45:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80722 invoked from network); 25 May 2005 03:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2005 03:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2005 03:45:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2005 03:45:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2005 03:45:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 03:45:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 844 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 198.68.56.21 From: "Nicholas" Subject: Re: KNX IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=VGXY9hJfwKnR018AuOLk5GQ9ZMG-ucjn07ao08ywHyLMMiVLFg X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > Can't believe no one has mentioned this. Maybe I just missed it with > this goofy new Yahoo formatting, but KNX 1070 in LA has been > transmitting IBOC at least since this past weekend. > > I first realized it from the increased noise on my very narrow > bandwidth car stereo, so anybody who says you can't tell on a "normal" > radio is crazy. > > That it sounds awful goes without saying. 1190 KEX a 50,000 watt talk station just 65 miles south of me has been using IBOC for about two weeks now, I discovered this after tuning them in using my Sony SRF-42, they sound really strange almost no treble except a very annoying hiss and when centered I hear a huming noise in stereo and just like I heard they caused interference to other stations on the dial From droland66@yahoo.com Wed May 25 18:12:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14207 invoked from network); 26 May 2005 01:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2005 01:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2005 01:12:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2005 01:12:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2005 01:12:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 01:12:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1802 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.128.238.135 From: "coaxguy99" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WBDH website for KAHN AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=sd-Ro8YNobDstIThpQ14L4i7Kl5ALtzaWkZzTyGrXgX7M81b X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 The best way to revive analog AM would be to introduce a much better new generation of wide band AM stereo receivers with DSP processing and where there is adequate spacing, allow stations to broadcast full 20kHz audio during daytime operation with less commercials and mostly music (CD quality). Where I live in New Hampshire, during the daytime, the AM band is quite sparse so it seems this would be possible in many places. At night, it could be the older AMAX 7.5 kHz standard, still stereo, with more talk radio where the highs aren't missed. I would love to hear 20 kHz AM Stereo-- bet it would sound awesome! Coax --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Yeah, we've known about this outfit for some time. Kahn was a > > better system, but the reality of it is there were better ways to > > transmit FM stereo too, but CQuAM is the standard on AM as is the > > GE-Zenith on FM. > > The Kahn system was far from perfect. Although it rendered "platform > motion" in a manner which is less annoying than with C-Quam, the Kahn > system had inherent problems with mono compatibility, as did the > Harris and Magnavox systems. > > BTW, if you want to have some fun, play the quadraphonic version of > Steely Dan's "Rikki Don't Lose That Number" through a C-Quam > AM Stereo transmitter, and tune in the signal on a Sony multi-system > radio switched to Kahn mode. You'll get fantastic wide-stereo sound, > with very distinct left-to-right separation of the vocals and > instruments! Normally, receiving a C-Quam signal in Kahn mode > destroys true stereo imaging of the audio, but in this case the > matrixed quadraphonic audio has a certain kind of front-to-rear > phasing which a Kahn decoder can recover as fully separated stereo > sound. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 25 18:31:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 447 invoked from network); 26 May 2005 01:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2005 01:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2005 01:31:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2005 01:31:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2005 01:31:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 01:31:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 812 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.120.214.27 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WBDH website for KAHN AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=RZa1a8eGSVPxnMdgMHW3jCqYgegGCSszSp9kgZXpewBTwerr X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "coaxguy99" wrote: > The best way to revive analog AM would be to introduce a much better > new generation of wide band AM stereo receivers with DSP processing > and where there is adequate spacing, allow stations to broadcast full > 20kHz audio during daytime operation with less commercials and mostly > music (CD quality). Where I live in New Hampshire, during the > daytime, the AM band is quite sparse so it seems this would be > possible in many places. At night, it could be the older AMAX 7.5 kHz > standard, still stereo, with more talk radio where the highs aren't > missed. I would love to hear 20 kHz AM Stereo-- bet it would sound > awesome! Coax If you have the money, you'll want a Fanfare, then. http://fanfare.com/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed May 25 18:48:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72511 invoked from network); 26 May 2005 01:48:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2005 01:48:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.116) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2005 01:48:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 83883 invoked by uid 60001); 26 May 2005 01:48:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050526014837.83881.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.175] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 May 2005 18:48:37 PDT Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 18:48:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.116 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WBDH website for KAHN AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=t-PB5cWLWlOs4kH8lytH5XErKHO1UiwS8V5LhfFzPFg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- coaxguy99 wrote: At night, it could be the > older AMAX 7.5 kHz > standard, still stereo, with more talk radio where > the highs aren't > missed. There was never a 7.5 kilohertz standard. NRSC curve was 10 kilohertz. Powell powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From droland66@yahoo.com Thu May 26 20:06:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44831 invoked from network); 27 May 2005 03:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2005 03:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2005 03:06:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2005 03:06:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2005 03:06:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 03:06:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050526014837.83881.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 934 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.128.238.135 From: "coaxguy99" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WBDH website for KAHN AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=5MLkeXYAj5o6OAKBuEE8zqybTOVFKWHLOax2hMc1OWEiGJlG X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- coaxguy99 wrote: > At night, it could be the > > older AMAX 7.5 kHz > > standard, still stereo, with more talk radio where > > the highs aren't > > missed. > > There was never a 7.5 kilohertz standard. NRSC curve > was 10 kilohertz. > > Powell > > powell@p... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw Ok -- I stand corrected. Even better. How about 20kHz in the day and 10 kHz at night with receivers that can reproduce the whole range? If inexpensive AM stereo receivers would be released to support this, some of the stations could be very popular since much radio listening occurs during the day while people are at work, in cars, etc. High quality full range receivers with DSP processing to produce a nice clean signal can be made cheap -- we are in the age of $29 DVD players. It is simply a matter of priorities. coax From diamondentertainmentmarketing@yahoo.com Fri May 27 07:38:40 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri May 27 12:22:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32296 invoked from network); 27 May 2005 19:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2005 19:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14227.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.111) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2005 19:22:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 99797 invoked by uid 60001); 27 May 2005 19:22:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050527192243.99795.qmail@web14227.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web14227.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:22:43 PDT Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 12:22:43 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 66.163.171.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John P." Subject: XM / Sirius vs IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=wXXlG4SFFxkEnB-9a2vnNovd_IsEV8ZGYvfuPsHYWHPmYBxFEj9hc8E X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio from Radio: "Date posted: 2005-05-23 Analyst Sees HD Radio Matching Satellite by 2011 HD Radio is expected to catch up to satellite by 2011-12, when some 40 million HD Radios will be in the hands of listeners, according to Wachovia Securities analyst Jim Boyle. In a research report, Boyle predicts HD Radio growth will mirror the pick-up rate of digital cable, "which grew faster than DBS and eventually caught and surpassed DBS with even more digital cable subs in roughly four years." These predictions only hold, Boyle warns, if stations adhere to their announced accelerated conversion schedule. "The worst thing that could happen with HD Radio is if it is used by the groups to attack one another in existing formats instead of its intended purpose, which is diversity of programming and revenue streams," notes Boyle, who also refers to radio's "long-time, bad habit" of "internecine warfare." More than 320 stations are on the air with a digital signal" My comments: Amazing how the transmitters outnumber the receivers 'this time' around - the exact opposite of AM Stereo. Heck, by the time that there were 320 C-Quam stations on the air, tens of thousands of C-Quam receivers were out there. You could go to the store and there were 3 portables you could buy (SR-66, SRFA-100, SRFA-1), PLUS several aftermarket auto radios (Kraco, Pioneer, Kenwood, Concord, 2 from Sherwood, 2 from Radio Shack; PLUS home tuners from Radio Shack, Sansui {and Sony in Canada}). PLUS ALL Chrysler radios that had FM Stereo had AM Stereo as standard! AM Stereo auto radios were in Toyotas, Mitsubishi, Jeeps, Chrysler, GM Delco and eventually Fords. Plain and simple, as much as we are repulsed the by damage done to the AM band by IBOC, IF IBOC-HD tuners were for sale for $99 (like satellite radios are) then we would all buy one just for the shear interest - but several hundred bucks more for the same-ole stuff ain't gonna cut it. They've got to figure out a way to make the radios less costly to produce AND offer better content. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 27 12:55:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59436 invoked from network); 27 May 2005 19:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2005 19:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2005 19:55:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2005 19:55:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2005 19:55:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:55:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050527192243.99795.qmail@web14227.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3235 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.120.214.27 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: XM / Sirius vs IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=GA940JzQfkxBE61xuKy0Ja2FlX-1LAyMwk9bBTSLZu6zji8d X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > My comments: Amazing how the transmitters outnumber the receivers 'this time' > around - the exact opposite of AM Stereo. Heck, by the time that there were > 320 C-Quam stations on the air, tens of thousands of C-Quam receivers were out > there. And that was within a year to a year and a half of the introduction of AMS, commercially. > You could go to the store and there were 3 portables you could buy (SR-66, > SRFA-100, SRFA-1), PLUS several aftermarket auto radios (Kraco, Pioneer, > Kenwood, Concord, 2 from Sherwood, 2 from Radio Shack; PLUS home tuners from > Radio Shack, Sansui {and Sony in Canada}). PLUS ALL Chrysler radios that had > FM Stereo had AM Stereo as standard! AM Stereo auto radios were in Toyotas, > Mitsubishi, Jeeps, Chrysler, GM Delco and eventually Fords. At least the Big Three US carmakers still put AMS in a significant fraction of their cars, as well as a couple non-US automakers. Don't forget that Technics, Marantz, Denon and Panasonic also had AMS tuners, as well. You could buy AMS in Crutchfield, but somehow, Herrington and Sharper Image never caught on. AMS was a regular featured subject in Popular Communications and Radio-Electronics magazines. > Plain and simple, as much as we are repulsed the by damage done to the AM band > by IBOC, IF IBOC-HD tuners were for sale for $99 (like satellite radios are) > then we would all buy one just for the shear interest - but several hundred > bucks more for the same-ole stuff ain't gonna cut it. They've got to figure > out a way to make the radios less costly to produce AND offer better content. History has shown that when broadcasters are jammed, listenership falls off. Listeners are NOT going to look to buy replacement radios because they can't hear what's being sent. The average listener is NOT goingt to make the connection between "digital" and why they can't listen to their radio-- They're just going to shut it off. Broadcasters these days have done very little to endear themselves to listeners, between exceedingly poor programming decisions, bad to nonexistant communications, consolidation and bad sound, and are quite incapable of doing anything about it....and they think adding a technology that does NOT improve the listening experience one iota to the existing listening audience (in fact, they're hinderi8ng it) is going to help? They're WAY out of touch with the markets they claim to be in. "I'm sorry that we can't get your advertizements out to Joe Q. Public, but please advertize on our crisp, clean digital service! No, there are no listeners now, because noone can afford the radios, but I assure you, your advertizing support is sure welcomed here!" And for what it's worth, my XM radio WITH boombox, I got as a special on eBay for $99 plus shipping and tax. The XM radios themselves, not counting mounts, run $35-$65. Mounts are available for car, boat, home and two different boombox designs. (This is for the Delphi SkyFi/SkyFi2 series.) I didn't buy it for the digital- I bought it for something I could actually listen to. Local radio has driven me away. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Fri May 27 20:01:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59984 invoked from network); 28 May 2005 03:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2005 03:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2005 03:01:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n32.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2005 03:01:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2005 03:01:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 03:01:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2510 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.167.7.180 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: XM / Sirius vs IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=9dRbEtat5edloAmsEnxES4FjQ2ZOvYHrJkTrZwOr_U0bpzoUnt4APg X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 > > > Plain and simple, as much as we are repulsed the by damage done to > the AM band > > by IBOC, IF IBOC-HD tuners were for sale for $99 (like satellite > radios are) > > then we would all buy one just for the shear interest - but several > hundred > > bucks more for the same-ole stuff ain't gonna cut it. They've got > to figure > > out a way to make the radios less costly to produce AND offer > better content. > > History has shown that when broadcasters are jammed, listenership > falls off. Listeners are NOT going to look to buy replacement radios > because they can't hear what's being sent. The average listener is > NOT goingt to make the connection between "digital" and why they > can't listen to their radio-- They're just going to shut it off. > > Broadcasters these days have done very little to endear themselves to > listeners, between exceedingly poor programming decisions, bad to > nonexistant communications, consolidation and bad sound, and are > quite incapable of doing anything about it....and they think adding a > technology that does NOT improve the listening experience one iota to > the existing listening audience (in fact, they're hinderi8ng it) is > going to help? > > They're WAY out of touch with the markets they claim to be in. > I'm surprised that not a hint of outrage is coming from anyone here over Guy Wire's article on how to save the AM band. Naturally his solution involves HD radio. But what was particularly outrageous was his solution for IBOC adjacent channel interference; the stations being interfered with should simply and permanently go dark. His thinking is that smaller market, low power stations or stations that just cannot afford to convert to digital have no business being on the air and that they should be bought up by more powerful stations and switched off. This, of course, means more, not less, media consolidation which is a key reason why radio is in trouble today. As a reward, station owners who sold out to larger AM stations should be awarded LPFM licenses. This idea is not only non-doable in urban areas where the FM band is impacted but completely goes against the reason why the LPFM service was started in the first place; to give communities the opportunity to have their own non-commercial radio stations, not as a carrot to induce commercial broadcasters to give up their licenses. Overall, I found Wire's suggestions loathsome, which means the NAB probably loved most of them. db From droland66@yahoo.com Sat May 28 06:40:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32169 invoked from network); 28 May 2005 13:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2005 13:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2005 13:40:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2005 13:40:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2005 13:40:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 13:40:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3175 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.128.238.135 From: "coaxguy99" Subject: Re: XM / Sirius vs IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=6P7VJBGmbqV_KU6CFD3xgwDuPIlG1E7LtyNToTRy52NGBcHW X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" wrote: > > > > > Plain and simple, as much as we are repulsed the by damage done to > > the AM band > > > by IBOC, IF IBOC-HD tuners were for sale for $99 (like satellite > > radios are) > > > then we would all buy one just for the shear interest - but several > > hundred > > > bucks more for the same-ole stuff ain't gonna cut it. They've got > > to figure > > > out a way to make the radios less costly to produce AND offer > > better content. > > > > History has shown that when broadcasters are jammed, listenership > > falls off. Listeners are NOT going to look to buy replacement radios > > because they can't hear what's being sent. The average listener is > > NOT goingt to make the connection between "digital" and why they > > can't listen to their radio-- They're just going to shut it off. > > > > Broadcasters these days have done very little to endear themselves to > > listeners, between exceedingly poor programming decisions, bad to > > nonexistant communications, consolidation and bad sound, and are > > quite incapable of doing anything about it....and they think adding a > > technology that does NOT improve the listening experience one iota to > > the existing listening audience (in fact, they're hinderi8ng it) is > > going to help? > > > > They're WAY out of touch with the markets they claim to be in. > > > > > I'm surprised that not a hint of outrage is coming from anyone here over Guy Wire's article > on how to save the AM band. > > Naturally his solution involves HD radio. But what was particularly outrageous was his > solution for IBOC adjacent channel interference; the stations being interfered with should > simply and permanently go dark. His thinking is that smaller market, low power stations > or stations that just cannot afford to convert to digital have no business being on the air > and that they should be bought up by more powerful stations and switched off. This, of > course, means more, not less, media consolidation which is a key reason why radio is in > trouble today. > > As a reward, station owners who sold out to larger AM stations should be awarded LPFM > licenses. This idea is not only non-doable in urban areas where the FM band is impacted > but completely goes against the reason why the LPFM service was started in the first place; > to give communities the opportunity to have their own non- commercial radio stations, not > as a carrot to induce commercial broadcasters to give up their licenses. > > Overall, I found Wire's suggestions loathsome, which means the NAB probably loved most > of them. > > db Too bad all of these awful NAB decisions may one day mean the final nail in the coffin for the traditional broadcast bands, both AM and FM. Maybe this will lead to financial ruin for many of the companies and eventually bring about a radio renaissance with more independent ownership by people who actually love radio and care about the audience. Maybe it will go back to being more like a hobby as radio and television were in the earliest days. coax From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat May 28 19:25:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75284 invoked from network); 29 May 2005 02:25:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2005 02:25:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2005 02:25:04 -0000 X-Node: 1 Received: from stodd (modem0084-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.84]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j4T2P1TS011049 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 21:25:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001701c563f5$e42fc380$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 21:26:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: XM / Sirius vs IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Z4PwTOu1Jnji0msyEwpScqzzduObVWlBeExdlh4iO_vzqONDklRG X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Excuse me, but a LOT of us who were in on the action of making LPFM happen very much wanted a mix of commercial and noncommercial service. IMNSHO the fact the NAB convinced the FCC to make it non-com-only crippled it severely. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "dbdigital2004" > > As a reward, station owners who sold out to larger AM stations should be awarded LPFM > licenses. This idea is not only non-doable in urban areas where the FM band is impacted > but completely goes against the reason why the LPFM service was started in the first place; > to give communities the opportunity to have their own non-commercial radio stations, not > as a carrot to induce commercial broadcasters to give up their licenses. > From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sat May 28 21:09:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75070 invoked from network); 29 May 2005 04:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2005 04:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.185) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2005 04:09:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 28 May 2005 21:09:17 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.164.22.178 by BAY22-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 29 May 2005 04:09:17 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 00:09:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. 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Chrysafis" Subject: Alfredo Amp X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=YvF7jtG2uUqeieMviZaEWuAgrpWuJ9Gro3mRRb2qJd18 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hi, Here is a simple amp from chris cuff for the Alfrdo Lite. http://www.starwisp.net/~part15/alfamp.jpg and for those interested in broadcasting from Part 15 to Pirate here is a good link... http://www.part15.us/modules.php?name=Content ------------------------------------------------- Robert C. http://www.freecycle.org ------------------------------------------------ I am, always looking for Trains, HO, O, S, OO, G, N Scale, Lionel, and other brands and related paraphernalia(buildings, scenery, track, etc) From rwagoner@cox.net Sat May 28 23:11:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67474 invoked from network); 29 May 2005 06:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2005 06:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2005 06:11:52 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050529061053.NXNR23392.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 02:10:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <235c39ed5ff3c6b8ada1671d1834212f@cox.net> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 23:10:53 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Congrats Tom Ray X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=Ai-8TtJ-vImIFcm-6e2Q0sCve089lHNZPlktyMzuvsm0tsCom70xnxoeQqgd X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From allaccess.com: BUCKLEY BROADCASTING ups Corporate Dir. of Engineering TOM RAY to VP/Corporate Dir. of Engineering. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Sun May 29 08:32:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70841 invoked from network); 29 May 2005 15:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2005 15:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.139) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2005 15:32:28 -0000 Received: from storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id DAF29D70E; Sun, 29 May 2005 08:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id IAA24870; Sun, 29 May 2005 08:32:27 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAkE7Q+84Lm4fS4k99sGp2OzUO7XoCFCytGCKnyAHOo8J9DrkQdJbqvNSe Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 10:32:27 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: abdx@abdx.org, ABDX@topica.com Message-ID: <16474-4299E08B-558@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 28 May 2005 12:52:09 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1576 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=lfgvnQWlEVyRlKlzqJCQdFMev3ylImen653aP43OCXuCAFa1sA X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I couldn't agree more with John P's comments, IF a IBOC radio was sold for around $100 US, I would buy one, BUT $600 ~ $800 dollars, NO WAY. It's all pretty bogus anyway, since all you need is a I.C.> front end with the IBOC codec built in , given the typical costs of mass produced IC's, this shouldn't cost hundred's of dollars, the IC outputs left and right audio, which the rest of the radio is just the normal sound amp portion. I belive that the people pushing IBOC are little more than a bunch of whores, hiking up the price of their product to a unrealistic level. And I HATE the hissy high end noise on local KFAB-AM 's IBOC, It fades up and down especially when driving by large power lines with a typical analog receiver. The phase distortion is unreal. The hiss is WORSE than the white noise FM stereo signals get when you are running out of range, and about to lose the stereo MPX signal, pilot. I have one Analog manual tuning radio that tends to drift, you have to constantly re adjust the tuning to get rid on the hiss. You need to tune dead on center when tuning to minimize the hiss. Some analog radios are more affected that others... UNACCEPTABLE!! IMHO - XM sounds many times better in mobile operation, I have hardy any problems with drop-outs.... In fact I have to sit under the I-80 and 50th street bridge to get the signal to go away, and there seems to be a 3 to 5 second buffer. Nether the Interstate bridge OR UPRR tunnel on 50th street drops out the XM signal while driving at 30 mph. The XM reception is much like Night time (skywave) AM DX reception, and excellent stereo separation on the music channels. Bill Snyder - Omaha Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 593-6841 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sun May 29 08:58:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4946 invoked from network); 29 May 2005 15:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2005 15:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.241.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2005 15:58:38 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050529155838.MKIO7629.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 11:58:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <16474-4299E08B-558@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> References: <16474-4299E08B-558@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 08:58:37 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1576 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=DyENxkFe0_TDe3EpIviFkEUWFkzU26c3mKeKDI6XahGwe0n_w8zu35wFjEZx X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Now that KNX (1070) and KTNQ (1020) are both using IBOC, the=20 interference starts at 1000 and goes through 1090 nice and solid. KNX=20 on my Marantz, a relatively narrow band tuner (to about 4 K as I=20 recall), has a hiss that just won't go away. Broadcasters better hope=20 that HD radios come QUICKLY, or else they will soon cease to have any=20 audience at all. As to the comment from someone in the industry that the stations being=20 interfered with should go dark ... wouldn't that allow full analog=20 fidelity to 20 kHz??? In the end it doesn't matter. Radio is dead. If I were a station owner,=20 I would be freaked out by now. Unless there are drastic changes, I=20 cannot see radio being a concern at all within two decades. Richard Wagoner On May 29, 2005, at 8:32 AM, oldphones@webtv.net wrote: > =A0=A0=A0 I couldn't agree more with John P's comments,=A0 IF a IBOC radi= o was > sold for around $100 US, I would buy one, BUT $600 ~ $800 dollars, NO > WAY.=A0 It's all pretty bogus anyway, since all you need is a I.C.>=20 > front > end with the IBOC codec built in , given the typical costs of mass > produced IC's, this shouldn't cost hundred's of dollars, the IC=20 > outputs > left and right audio, which the rest of the radio is just the normal > sound amp portion.=A0 > =A0=A0 I belive=A0 that the people pushing IBOC are little more than a b= unch > of whores, hiking up the=A0 price of their product to a unrealistic=20 > level. > > =A0=A0 And I HATE the hissy high end noise on local KFAB-AM 's IBOC, It > fades up and down especially when driving by large power lines with a > typical analog receiver. The phase distortion is unreal.=A0 The hiss is > WORSE than the white noise FM stereo signals get when you are running > out of range, and about to lose the stereo MPX signal, pilot. > =A0 > =A0=A0=A0=A0 I have one Analog manual tuning radio that tends to drift, = you=20 > have > to constantly re adjust the tuning to get rid on the hiss.=A0 You need=20 > to > tune dead on center when tuning to minimize the hiss.=A0 Some analog > radios are more affected that others...=A0 UNACCEPTABLE!!=A0=A0 > > =A0 IMHO -=A0 XM sounds many times better in mobile operation, I have=20 > hardy > any problems with drop-outs....=A0=A0 In fact=A0 I have to sit under the= =20 > I-80 > and 50th street bridge to get the signal to go away, and there seems=20 > to > be a 3 to 5 second buffer.=A0=A0=A0=A0 Nether the Interstate bridge OR= =A0 UPRR > tunnel on 50th street drops out the XM signal while driving at 30 mph. > The XM reception is much like Night time (skywave) AM DX reception,=20 > and > excellent stereo separation on the music channels.=A0 > > Bill Snyder -=A0 Omaha > > =A0 > =A0 Oldphones@ webtv. net=A0=A0 (402) 593-6841 Omaha=A0=A0 > I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and > wiring items > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage > > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 > =A0 ASK Me about=A0 XM=A0 Satellite Radio !! > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 29 13:50:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67793 invoked from network); 29 May 2005 20:50:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2005 20:50:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2005 20:50:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2005 20:50:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2005 20:50:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 20:50:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2147 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.242.244 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: HD and the radio game. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=_TGiCLLFgq5UzjtDNwnYWDDf722UtgoclFMpMFxDC8ogRAqW X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Now that KNX (1070) and KTNQ (1020) are both using IBOC, the > interference starts at 1000 and goes through 1090 nice and solid. KNX > on my Marantz, a relatively narrow band tuner (to about 4 K as I > recall), has a hiss that just won't go away. Broadcasters better hope > that HD radios come QUICKLY, or else they will soon cease to have any > audience at all. You don't gain new listeners by driving them away. > In the end it doesn't matter. Radio is dead. If I were a station owner, > I would be freaked out by now. Unless there are drastic changes, I > cannot see radio being a concern at all within two decades. Actually, they're not even bothered. Why? The current business modewl radio is not based on listenership, but PERCENTAGE of the market pie. They could care less if they have 0 listeners, as long as they have the biggest block of stations. Market hording (and the corresponding decrease in programming quality to make up for the costs of purchasing) has reduced listener interest and relevance to the communities they serve. This alone means radio has simply strangled itself to death. If they could get away from the quantity (much like real estate, mind you), and get back to quality (a palace is more valuable than a dump!), then there might5 be a future. Right now, radio is not attractive, except to say to advertisers just how much of the market pie they have. What has this to do with IBOC? Ironicly, very little to the listener, and EVERYTHING to the preferred industry model-- Business to business. It means one company- Ibiquity- buying up organisational support- NAB- who puts pressure on two fronts- the FCC and the big corporate broadcasters- which in the end brings money right back to Ibiquity. Unfortunately, no-one's going to listen. No-one is interested in radio anymore, because they've repeatedly trashed it. Nobody cares, except those with pockets and portfolios. Radio has destroyed itself. And I'm afraid no-one is willing to reclaim broadcast radio for the community anymore. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun May 29 18:12:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34599 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 01:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2005 01:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO omc1-s25.bay6.hotmail.com) (65.54.248.227) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 01:12:37 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.95]) by omc1-s25.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sun, 29 May 2005 18:12:37 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 29 May 2005 18:12:37 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.210 by BAY106-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 30 May 2005 01:12:36 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: oldphones@webtv.net Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 01:12:36 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2005 01:12:37.0162 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAC168A0:01C564B4] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.248.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1576 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 I'm afraid I have to agree with Bill; now that I've have xm for 13 months n= ow, I find myself listening to am/fm less and less. This weekend so far (it's Sunday evening); I've listened to am/fm radio a t= otal of zero minutes; usually though I do listen to Car Talk and some NPR f= or maybe a total of 2 hours per weekend. With xm throughout the house, in my car and via a boom box and good quality= programming, there's no reason to listen to inferior programming, unless y= ou like commercials , of course, and I'm not one to thrive on listening to = 5 minute blocks of commercials, call me crazy! :) I know some will say, but with satellite, you don't get local programming..= .. you mean local as in Rush, "Dr" Laura and all the other national talk sh= ow hosts? or do you mean local news? Well the St Petersburg/Tampa market i= s in the top 20 and try to find local news on the weekends, you have to tur= n in at the right 90 seconds as the "news leader" (ClearChannel's WFLA) rus= hes through a headline or two once an hour, then the commercials and then = another 57 minutes of canned programming that was bad enough when it was li= ve during the week and of course the commercials. These greedy corporations have killed the goose that laid the golden egg. Another ClearChannel station here, 1250, the first licensed station in the = state of Florida had quite a legacy and good programming up until a few yea= rs ago, now they're mostly infomercials, including one about John Wayne's c= olon problems and why you should buy product x to flush your colon, that se= ems to be the #1 infomercial on 1250; sorry that's not what I listen to rad= io for. I think at this point in time, it's might be too late to save the am band a= nd the fm band, well maybe that might be able to be saved if ClearChannel, = Infinity, Salem and Genesis wake up; but I'm not holding my breath. (those = four chains own all but four or five of the am stations in this market.- Co= x only has fm stations in this market, but from what I hear of a Cox am sta= tion in Orlando - WDBO; they're bad, but not quite as horrible as the rest) Donn St Petersburg -----Original Message----- From: oldphones@webtv.net Sent: Sun, 29 May 2005 08:32:27 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: abdx@abdx.org, ABDX@topica.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1576 I couldn't agree more with John P's comments, IF a IBOC radio was sold for around $100 US, I would buy one, BUT $600 ~ $800 dollars, NO WAY. It's all pretty bogus anyway, since all you need is a I.C.> front end with the IBOC codec built in , given the typical costs of mass produced IC's, this shouldn't cost hundred's of dollars, the IC outputs left and right audio, which the rest of the radio is just the normal sound amp portion.=20=20 I belive that the people pushing IBOC are little more than a bunch of whores, hiking up the price of their product to a unrealistic level. =20 And I HATE the hissy high end noise on local KFAB-AM 's IBOC, It fades up and down especially when driving by large power lines with a typical analog receiver. The phase distortion is unreal. The hiss is WORSE than the white noise FM stereo signals get when you are running out of range, and about to lose the stereo MPX signal, pilot. =20=20 I have one Analog manual tuning radio that tends to drift, you have to constantly re adjust the tuning to get rid on the hiss. You need to tune dead on center when tuning to minimize the hiss. Some analog radios are more affected that others... UNACCEPTABLE!!=20=20=20 IMHO - XM sounds many times better in mobile operation, I have hardy any problems with drop-outs.... In fact I have to sit under the I-80 and 50th street bridge to get the signal to go away, and there seems to be a 3 to 5 second buffer. Nether the Interstate bridge OR UPRR tunnel on 50th street drops out the XM signal while driving at 30 mph. The XM reception is much like Night time (skywave) AM DX reception, and excellent stereo separation on the music channels.=20=20 Bill Snyder - Omaha =20=20 Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 593-6841 Omaha=20=20=20 I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun May 29 18:49:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 45777 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 01:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2005 01:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 01:48:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2005 01:48:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2005 01:48:58 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63336 invoked from network); 29 May 2005 23:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2005 23:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2005 23:22:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2005 23:22:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2005 23:22:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:22:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1614 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.181.196.176 From: "pianoplayer88key" Subject: KDIS?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104; y=BgOeNBoCchv5Od7tvA-cxAXEPBU0K1VRGd5V-bghpwpH1bbDWNTuph5FLw X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 30 May 2005 01:48:56 -0000 I was listening to the Top 30 on KDIS this morning (I was at my cousin's house in Long Beach) and I couldn't hear any separation! :'( Anyone know the phone number to tall KDIS? I'm going to try 866-KDIS-ROX (or ROC(KS) whatever it is) but does anyone have a non-toll-free number so I can call them (or an address so I can write - preferably email) and ask what's going on with their C-Quam? I heard separation Saturday evening, though, so I don't know when the technical difficulties occurred. If it's permanent, it seems that KMIK (because of its strong nighttime signal to where I live) may take over top spot as my favorite station. Up till now, it's been a tie between KDIS (weak signal, but stereo) and KMIK (mono, but strong signal). From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun May 29 18:49:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81407 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 01:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2005 01:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 01:49:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2005 01:49:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2005 01:49:35 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14212 invoked from network); 29 May 2005 23:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2005 23:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2005 23:28:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2005 23:28:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2005 23:28:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2005 23:28:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:28:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1452 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.181.196.176 From: "pianoplayer88key" Subject: C-Quam vs IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104; y=jwwDZ_b34PsBv2eS_704UUn1gGSOqfmi0t6zueg0T_VqrurjBwpFb8ky4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 30 May 2005 01:49:33 -0000 IBOC takes up quite a bit of analog bandwidth, right? for example I think basically a station might have an analog carrier from 1065 to 1075, with IBOC from 1055 to 1060 and again from 1080 to 1085, a total of 30kHz bandwidth (or does IBOC take up even more than that? Sometimes I've heard it quite strong on the 2nd adjacent when I wasn't even within the 250KV/m contour. I was wondering.. is there anyone we know (whether on this group or elsewhere) who has engineering control of an IBOC capable station (that also has working C-Quam equipment)? I'd like to see an experiment done: For a few days (maybe a week) have the station run IBOC 24/7. Find out the sound quality on an HD Radio, and coverage area, especially to where normal people would start thinking it's getting static (oh wait, that part would apply to C-Quam), and to where it's just not POSSIBLE to get the station anymore. Then (or you could do it the other way around), run C-Quam, and set up the bandwidth so that the C-Quam signal is as wide as the IBOC signal. (I'm guessing this would be something like 15 or 20 kHz bandwidth). Fit some SRF-42s, SRF-A300s, etc, with wider IF filters (I think the SRF-42 has a filter with a 10kHz audio response and a sharp dropoff above that) on the order of 15 or 20 kHz audio response. Have some people (including audio professionals) evaluate the sound. Which one comes out the winner for sound quality and station coverage area? From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 29 19:16:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86303 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 02:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2005 02:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 02:16:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2005 02:16:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2005 02:16:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 02:16:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1501 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.242.244 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: C-Quam vs IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=8ML3k7T3kXLntLK-GSDqrzTRwbIaynIs86YTNiJmCXcQSMuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > IBOC takes up quite a bit of analog bandwidth, right? for example I > think basically a station might have an analog carrier from 1065 to > 1075, with IBOC from 1055 to 1060 and again from 1080 to 1085, a total > of 30kHz bandwidth (or does IBOC take up even more than that? > Sometimes I've heard it quite strong on the 2nd adjacent when I wasn't > even within the 250KV/m contour. You have the bandwidth correct. > I was wondering.. is there anyone we know (whether on this group or > elsewhere) who has engineering control of an IBOC capable station > (that also has working C-Quam equipment)? I don't think there are any IBOC stations that have kept the C-QUAM- fitted transmitter installed for backup. There's also another thought to consider: Who benefits more, listener- wise? IBOC of C-QUAM? The answer is obvious! C-QUAM still has ~10% of all AMS-capable radios, plus it neither reduces, interferes, or otherwise detracts from the non-stereo listening experience. IBOC MIGHT achieve the same ~10% market saturation, but it HINDERS analog listening, and thus does NOT cater to the honlon' HUGE majority of radios out there; instead, it renders them just about useless! Does this mean people will switch? No. It just means people will simply go WITHOUT. The same thing is going to happen with the HDTV switchover. Too many can't afford to abandon their legacy equipment. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun May 29 19:22:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90115 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 02:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2005 02:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc14.comcast.net) (204.127.202.59) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 02:22:01 -0000 Received: from n1zzn (c-24-218-84-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005053002215901400dk60ae>; Mon, 30 May 2005 02:21:59 +0000 To: Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 22:22:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcVkvZMhthdQuzZ6RzO8nlPkbctUIAAAJGEw X-Originating-IP: 204.127.202.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: C-Quam vs IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394; y=_H5gQwokH35IjRucmVERCdE-PWowiknETRrlVmQYliw X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn >I don't think there are any IBOC stations that have kept the C-QUAM- >fitted transmitter installed for backup. WBZ might still have it. They last had it on the air about a year and a half ago, I think. I don't know anyone to ask to find out for sure that they still have it though... Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun May 29 19:27:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49412 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 02:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2005 02:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.23) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 02:27:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 29 May 2005 19:27:06 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.210 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 May 2005 02:27:06 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 22:27:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2005 02:27:06.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[129B5CB0:01C564BF] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: RE: Legacy Equipment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=ayCy_IWmvflQp30MFlEFnSFey4AKNgRYAzABwXZ95JL8YCN3TqP- X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 I must agree with Ms. Mousie. I will do without what little radio listening I still do, if all I have to listen to is IBOC. I would not give a nickel for an IBOC receiver, given that IBOC destroys any and all listening experiences for anyone not IBOC equipped. On an associated note, does anyone have any idea if the FCC is still going to go through with their insane idea of having all "legacy TV" equipment being rendered obselete by their mandating an all HDTV enviroment by the end of 2006, or was it 2005? Thanks, Michael From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 29 19:58:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44958 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 02:58:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2005 02:58:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 02:58:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2005 02:58:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2005 02:58:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 02:58:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1459 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.242.244 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Legacy Equipment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=qlExOJfCN8GffxE4kjVXeMDVcKW0YsNXbGMcPCtSMEJ6zypt X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" wrote: > I must agree with Ms. Mousie. I will do without what little radio listening > I still do, if all I have to listen to is IBOC. I would not give a nickel > for an IBOC receiver, given that IBOC destroys any and all listening > experiences for anyone not IBOC equipped. There just isn't any incentive for the listener to go IBOC. The only way anyone's getting IBOC, sadly, is the same as withy AMS, now- It comes (or I should say it will come) in new cars, but why bother? It's the same crap, only delivered digitally. > On an associated note, does anyone have any idea if the FCC is still going > to go through with their insane idea of having all "legacy TV" equipment > being rendered obselete by their mandating an all HDTV enviroment by the end > of 2006, or was it 2005? Last I heard, it was moved up to 2008 or 2012. The problem is, the TV-watching world, despite the obvious signs of letterboxing and banners saying they're in HDTV, is completely unaware they need new sets soon, and are simply not making the migration. (Ironicly, it's widescreen DVDs that are driving the widescreen TV market, right now.) The conversion might happen, but it should NOT be made into a cutoff date, unless they're sure of the penetration. In the UK, they're already sure of the penetration, so now they have firm cutoff dates. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w6yn@juno.com Sun May 29 20:56:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22685 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 03:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2005 03:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.20.164) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 03:56:10 -0000 Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail10.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.150]) by smtpout06.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBKXDYYASRWVV2 for (sender ); Sun, 29 May 2005 20:56:06 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLGXC9fcLmu3tN2f1T86YvbY= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail10.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KT8JVU2S; Sun, 29 May 2005 20:55:19 PDT Received: from [66.81.196.83] by webmail10.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 30 May 2005 03:55:08 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 03:55:08 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050529.205519.10110.203668@webmail10.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:3:2347000079 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.150|webmail10.nyc.untd.com|outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.20.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "w6yn@juno.com" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-Quam vs IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=y0P8jcI9C0-fg5v3aXhvhZYGLH5EnFyY3amGoNM6qw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Many of the TVs being sold today are "HD Ready." That means they will not receive HDTV channels without the addition of a receiver. Surprise! A true HDTV will have "HD Built-in" on the lable. All of the existing NTSC TVs will require the addition of a "set top" converter box to receive BC TV after the switch. The change was scheduled for next year. There is legislation in Congress to extend the effective date and to provide funding for the purchase of "set top" boxes for the employees of radio stations and other poor. Don --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com,"Amy Mousie" wrote: ...The same thing is going to happen with the HDTV switchover. Too many can't afford to abandon their legacy equipment. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Sun May 29 21:01:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15977 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 04:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2005 04:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au) (150.229.7.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 04:01:50 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au (138.194.3.56) by act-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au with SMTP; 30 May 2005 14:01:43 +1000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,148,1114956000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="47123320:sNHT317042576" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 30 May 2005 14:01:40 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 14:01:40 +1000 Message-ID: <301F0FCB8B8F3542B0F6C31E1EA5F86817F7E5@exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: Legacy Equipment Thread-Index: AcVkw4h8nTibHRilQBqHfVmKEw1+5AAB0bQw To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2005 04:01:40.0781 (UTC) FILETIME=[48D2D5D0:01C564CC] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Legacy Equipment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=_DKLf2n2HnAqjAYq-pGhVRnhqhGzkfRg2JXa3AFjN5dN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie Last I heard, it was moved up to 2008 or 2012. The problem is, the TV-watching world, despite the obvious signs of letterboxing and banners saying they're in HDTV, is completely unaware they need new sets soon, and are simply not making the migration. (Ironicly, it's widescreen DVDs that are driving the widescreen TV market, right now.) Oz is generally a quick taker upper of new technology but HDTV hasn't been typical. Digital TV came in here in 2000 and still only 10% of households have it - and more often SDTV. The main increase occurred last year when Foxtel went (SDTV) digital. The government has just had to admit that there's no way analog will be turned off as planned in 2008 here. And digital radio? You must be joking. Both sides of government have been talking about it since 1990. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sun May 29 22:49:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90911 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 05:49:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2005 05:49:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao02.cox.net) (68.230.241.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 05:49:07 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050530054901.LDAU22430.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 01:49:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050529.205519.10110.203668@webmail10.nyc.untd.com> References: <20050529.205519.10110.203668@webmail10.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 22:49:02 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-Quam vs IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=UD9c-3bami80dnNtGlE1lP4kpJRQNOydsoB6YlphtXdqu4uUGwUXrywdRSIo X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Many (most?) people get their TV through cable using a cable box already and don't need a built-in tuner. On May 29, 2005, at 8:55 PM, w6yn@juno.com wrote: > Many of the TVs being sold today are "HD Ready." That means they will > not receive HDTV channels without the addition of a receiver. > Surprise! > A true HDTV will have "HD Built-in" on the lable. From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon May 30 07:34:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59460 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 14:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2005 14:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 14:34:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2005 14:34:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2005 14:34:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2005 14:34:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 14:34:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 84 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.245.201.220 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: KDIS?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=lezRcMH1ushiljsRymkNLw98sUUi4tn-B47P1qUSjBVg3r0 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Confirmed. KDIS's stereo is all gone. No pilot, and no separation in forced mode. From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Mon May 30 09:01:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2236 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 16:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2005 16:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 16:01:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2005 16:01:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2005 16:01:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 16:01:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 537 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.167.7.180 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: KDIS?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=uj7xOg3DnUxeawwpqpoEBUIWAhV2qXielIRromeccS3MdS3-IW4lmg X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > Confirmed. KDIS's stereo is all gone. No pilot, and no separation in > forced mode. If KDIS has permanently stopped broadcasting in C-Quam, that leaves only 3 stations in Los Angeles that are AMS: KABC 790, KBRT 740, and KFOX 1650. All three stations are talk stations with KFOX being Korean, which I don't speak or understand. As far as I'm concerned, AMS is finished in L.A. BTW, KBRT appears to be off the air. I wonder if this is just temporary? db From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon May 30 09:22:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98868 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 16:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2005 16:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 16:22:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2005 16:21:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2005 16:21:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2005 16:21:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 16:21:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1615 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.247.34 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: KDIS?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=HOBS637ElnMhxtovPqq9-3pHEryQdoD94Q9EdCvYV4ml0vzY X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > > Confirmed. KDIS's stereo is all gone. No pilot, and no separation in > > forced mode. > > If KDIS has permanently stopped broadcasting in C-Quam, that leaves only 3 stations in > Los Angeles that are AMS: KABC 790, KBRT 740, and KFOX 1650. All three stations are > talk stations with KFOX being Korean, which I don't speak or understand. A good sign of what happens to KDIS and KABC (since they're owned by the same people, and run out of the same building) is to check the other station. If KABCX is still stereo, KDIS may only be temporarily mono. If they turn off the stereo, then it's over at ABC/Disney. But like I said before, if they're going IBOC, who are they catering for? > As far as I'm concerned, AMS is finished in L.A. It's still better off than the SF Bay Area, when all that's left are KVON, KCBC (pilot only) and KCTC (over in Sacramento). At least KFOX does have some stereo music content, even though it's in korean. > BTW, KBRT appears to be off the air. I wonder if this is just temporary? Last I heard, Catalina's KBRT injtends to stay stereo, so it's probably just a temporary thing. Remember, today is a holiday, and they're probably doing maintenance4 for the weekend. But yes, at least in California's metro areas, it's no longer AMS- friendly in the Golden State. Unless someone fires up an Alfredo Lite.... There's one on, I think 890, in Thousand Oaks that's covering a good range. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimbo@burgan.net Mon May 30 13:26:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66346 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 20:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2005 20:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 20:26:29 -0000 Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.218]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4UKQECe025793 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 16:26:14 -0400 X-ORBL: [66.72.39.190] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-66-72-39-190.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [66.72.39.190]) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with SMTP id j4UKQJIJ162306 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 16:26:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c56555$d9978aa0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 15:26:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KDIS?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=tz-4oMNSj3aV-4eXlpjQ64HBsTEUBl6bKnn18bni8ZHAeko X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >>>>>>>> A good sign of what happens to KDIS and KABC (since they're owned by the same people, and run out of the same building) is to check the other station. If KABCX is still stereo, KDIS may only be temporarily mono. If they turn off the stereo, then it's over at ABC/Disney. But like I said before, if they're going IBOC, who are they catering for? >>>>>>>>> I don't know if this is any indication, but WLS is still stereo. Didn't someone post that ABC/Disney is not impressed with IBOC and isn't interested in changing in the immediate future? From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon May 30 14:33:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96352 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 21:33:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2005 21:33:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.202.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 21:33:33 -0000 Received: from n1zzn (c-24-218-84-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20050530203456012000skpie>; Mon, 30 May 2005 20:34:56 +0000 To: Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 16:34:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <000301c56555$d9978aa0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcVlVfECmCEFlORFSAif6aZPcYo7lQAAP7/Q X-Originating-IP: 204.127.202.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: KDIS?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394; y=D0F-vGFkCJXhfVSF3Xp6Zb9mFJtYfjVfKkEyV0A08To X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Well Radio Disney 1260 WMKI (Owned by ABC/Disney) here in Boston is running IBOC... They never ran C-Quam. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA >-----Original Message----- >From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] >On Behalf Of Jim Burgan >Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 4:26 PM >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KDIS?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!? > >>>>>>>>> >A good sign of what happens to KDIS and KABC (since they're owned by >the same people, and run out of the same building) is to check the >other station. If KABCX is still stereo, KDIS may only be temporarily >mono. If they turn off the stereo, then it's over at ABC/Disney. But >like I said before, if they're going IBOC, who are they catering for? >>>>>>>>>> > >I don't know if this is any indication, but WLS is still stereo. >Didn't someone post that ABC/Disney is not impressed with IBOC and isn't >interested in changing in the immediate future? > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon May 30 15:07:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26217 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 22:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2005 22:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 22:07:45 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 May 2005 15:07:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.203 by BAY101-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 30 May 2005 22:07:44 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20050529.205519.10110.203668@webmail10.nyc.untd.com> Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 18:07:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2005 22:07:45.0068 (UTC) FILETIME=[01C3EEC0:01C56564] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-Quam vs IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Vlx4wNCCSXBaiSu6tclZr8ZjL82c-Fu64zIjFnq_Lfw-UAfNU-EScZLnZE9ENg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Richard Wagoner wrote: > Many (most?) people get their TV through cable using a cable box already and don't need a built-in tuner. The cable box output is on NTSC Channel 3, so the TV still has to use the built-in tuner...and it sure ain't High Definition! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Mon May 30 15:22:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29817 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 22:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2005 22:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 22:22:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2005 22:22:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2005 22:22:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 22:22:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1404 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.167.7.180 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: KDIS?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=Q8CL3OomI_RPcxGwi1kP9jNaWB0tHlkGIZ5TwqPFG63GkZ-ptu5A_g X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" > wrote: > > > Confirmed. KDIS's stereo is all gone. No pilot, and no > separation in > > > forced mode. > > > > If KDIS has permanently stopped broadcasting in C-Quam, that leaves > only 3 stations in > > Los Angeles that are AMS: KABC 790, KBRT 740, and KFOX 1650. All > three stations are > > talk stations with KFOX being Korean, which I don't speak or > understand. > > A good sign of what happens to KDIS and KABC (since they're owned by > the same people, and run out of the same building) is to check the > other station. If KABCX is still stereo, KDIS may only be temporarily > mono. If they turn off the stereo, then it's over at ABC/Disney. But > like I said before, if they're going IBOC, who are they catering for? > KABC 790 is still running stereo while KDIS is still mono as of 3 PM PDT. > Unless someone fires up an Alfredo Lite.... There's one on, I think > 890, in Thousand Oaks that's covering a good range. I've got my Alfredo-Lite on 1610 and it sounds great. At some point, I'll boost the power to Part-15 level, devise a proper antenna for it, and send a signal out to my neighborhood. At least, AMS isn't dead in my house. db From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon May 30 16:52:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@YAHOOGROUPS.COM Received: (qmail 66463 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 23:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2005 23:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.185) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 23:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.123.99.197 with login) by smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 23:50:07 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c56572$9945e920$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 16:52:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: Subject: KDIS AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=tkrlEaFAAfX9zZgefY7bzXVGdTkT2hCrOthzIOaO_eP1-lSrf0Glo18xOoiKl8AhNjiRn-qO X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang KDIS AM is on the IBOC list but not on yet. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon May 30 18:53:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15244 invoked from network); 31 May 2005 01:53:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2005 01:53:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2005 01:53:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 May 2005 18:53:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.203 by BAY101-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 31 May 2005 01:53:30 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 21:53:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2005 01:53:30.0560 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B81FC00:01C56583] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1576 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=iznkxDsPaQBhN1XnAevS_DGcgqwE78Way14peNDEan5FHHmfTB2XnvShbaxq-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Donn Tillman wrote: >I find myself listening to am/fm less and less. Bay area radio does SUCK! I catch myself listening to the MUZAK channels on Echostar7 a good bit! I also listen to Sirius ch 19 a lot. > > This weekend so far (it's Sunday evening); I've listened to am/fm radio a total of zero minutes; Tampa used to have some kewl radio stations that were all live n local. The Power Pig was a hoot to listen to and WFLA had great, original programming. It is the lack of good radio programming that is fueling the Pirate Radio movement here in the bay area. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon May 30 19:03:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91045 invoked from network); 31 May 2005 02:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2005 02:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2005 02:03:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 02:03:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 02:03:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 02:03:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000301c56555$d9978aa0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 302 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.247.34 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: KDIS?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=YRZ8aLb2PH-1yiCRXVLi2W8XxyhOXUjlrGlCJLXZ-mznqiT6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > I don't know if this is any indication, but WLS is still stereo. As reported recently, the CE for WLS has stated unequivicably that WLS will remain in C-QUAM AM stereo until the FCC has made IBOC mandatory. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Tue May 31 00:30:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50321 invoked from network); 31 May 2005 07:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2005 07:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.241.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2005 07:30:04 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050531073003.PVDH26972.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 03:30:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <20050529.205519.10110.203668@webmail10.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <800dbb92655700ef56a968c35ffa18da@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 00:30:02 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-Quam vs IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=MsIpnzMAs_SpqrqQF-QkqtWzjDA-kD45K-ccaf_lm27nYCkIfBzlVlO9_WEu X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Um ... if you get the HD service it is. On May 30, 2005, at 3:07 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > > Many (most?) people get their TV through cable using a cable box > already > and don't need a built-in tuner. > > The cable box output is on NTSC Channel 3, so the TV still has to use > the > built-in tuner...and it sure ain't High Definition! From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue May 31 06:15:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48477 invoked from network); 31 May 2005 13:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2005 13:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2005 13:15:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 13:15:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 13:15:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 13:15:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <800dbb92655700ef56a968c35ffa18da@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 790 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.245.201.220 From: "narkspud" Subject: {AMSF} HDTV was: Re: C-Quam vs IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=4iVAKHJ51cEtaiVcBleS-kHJaEwHSkFCBzvV4eabWr3Xgpg X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud If you're using the TV's NTSC tuner, it is, by definition, not HD. If the cable box is putting out a true digital RF signal (and I dunno if any of them do or not), then that is not NTSC and no NTSC-only tuner will read it. But most cable boxes nowadays use component, DVI or HDMI to get the HD picture to the set. NTSC Channel 3 is so 80's. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Um ... if you get the HD service it is. > > On May 30, 2005, at 3:07 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > > > > Many (most?) people get their TV through cable using a cable box > > already > > and don't need a built-in tuner. > > > > The cable box output is on NTSC Channel 3, so the TV still has to use > > the > > built-in tuner...and it sure ain't High Definition! From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue May 31 06:21:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6404 invoked from network); 31 May 2005 13:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2005 13:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2005 13:21:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 13:21:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 13:21:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 13:21:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000301c56555$d9978aa0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 71 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.245.201.220 From: "narkspud" Subject: {AMSF} Re: KDIS?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=XnsbnpwQ3CMhLSnAaFLZho0zx90VQYsSgsiVP0xgr8w7faE X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud KBRT and KABC in stereo this morning. KDIS still full-bandwidth mono. From tomray@wor710.com Tue May 31 09:45:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59053 invoked from network); 31 May 2005 16:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2005 16:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2005 16:45:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 16:45:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 16:45:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 16:45:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1135 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: C-Quam vs IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=AB704ISHKQVX7ChuUGdiOnEtGZzETe46NeyX5GMqEVG-3G7C X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Nice idea, but there are two big problems with it. First, you would need to apply for experimental authorization from the FCC to broaden the bandwidth of a C-QUAM transmission. This is because the C-QUAM at that bandwidth will produce out of band emmissions that will exceed the NRSC mask (actually, it's the transmitter and antenna that will contribute to this). And it requires a ton of paperwork. I doubt that a simple STA would cover this, as you are changing the transmission standard. Second, I don't know about other stations, but most simply wouldn't have time to do this. Once you make a conversion, you move on. There are far too many irons in the fire these days to experiment, unfortunately. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Lehmann" wrote: > >I don't think there are any IBOC stations that have kept the C-QUAM- > >fitted transmitter installed for backup. > > WBZ might still have it. They last had it on the air about a year and a half > ago, I think. I don't know anyone to ask to find out for sure that they > still have it though... > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA From tomray@wor710.com Tue May 31 09:46:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72349 invoked from network); 31 May 2005 16:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2005 16:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2005 16:46:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n31.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 16:46:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 16:46:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 16:46:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <235c39ed5ff3c6b8ada1671d1834212f@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 431 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Congrats Tom Ray X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=y9E86PADwqzdlyoQ3XSaxrmF4G81IQt_xZv-lrpXRRouWumm X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Thanks, Richard! Much appreciated. TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > From allaccess.com: > > BUCKLEY BROADCASTING ups Corporate Dir. of Engineering TOM RAY to > VP/Corporate Dir. of Engineering. RAY has been with BUCKLEY since 1977 > (at WDRC-A/HARTFORD) and has been based at WOR-A/NEW YORK for several > years. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Tue May 31 15:55:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61015 invoked from network); 31 May 2005 22:55:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2005 22:55:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.241.30) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2005 22:55:26 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050531225526.XQBV7275.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 18:55:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 15:55:27 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KDIS?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=_z_MbzDvosDqvO1oXYZ_z8PPrwyfvkfYsdLwVYdv498BQewN18_F_o4Qgz4O X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner KDIS will be HD by the end of June, according to my source. Those 8-12 years olds have been demanding it apparently ... Richard On May 31, 2005, at 6:21 AM, narkspud wrote: > KBRT and KABC in stereo this morning.=A0 KDIS still full-bandwidth mono. > > > From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue May 31 16:48:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18797 invoked from network); 31 May 2005 23:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2005 23:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2005 23:48:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 23:48:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 23:48:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 23:48:12 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29516 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 15:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2005 15:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.59) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 15:30:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n30.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2005 15:29:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2005 15:29:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 15:29:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1179 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.181.196.176 From: "pianoplayer88key" Subject: GRRRRSHSHSSHSSSKSKSKHKSHSHSK Re: KDIS?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104; y=CA_4PhySSiGSptk7a44mGp_eWBW5WoPR4zuvlC76Mchg5ytr9vAo63IBPg X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 31 May 2005 23:48:11 -0000 And, is that a hint of an IBOC sideband I'm hearing on the upper side of them (while local blowtorch KSDO 1130 is off the air), or is it interference from some appliance / computer at my house? Anyone have the contact info for KDIS so I can report their C-Quam exciter's electrical failure? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > Confirmed. KDIS's stereo is all gone. No pilot, and no separation in > forced mode. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue May 31 16:48:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13842 invoked from network); 31 May 2005 23:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2005 23:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2005 23:48:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 23:48:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 23:48:45 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19981 invoked from network); 31 May 2005 12:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2005 12:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.58) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2005 12:35:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 12:34:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 12:34:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:34:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 457 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.181.196.176 From: "pianoplayer88key" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?911!!_contact_info_for_1.11MHz_Pasadena,_CA_34=B06'50"N,117=B059'51"W=3F?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104; y=gppTuG657iFF3yDnPlfVYEWUf2G8KqQE7gyjt_1x3ZgVcnc8fMLz6af1SQ X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 31 May 2005 23:48:43 -0000 I need to report a serious flaw with their transmitter, and find out when it will be repaired. The signal is still just as strong (or I should say weak) as before, but the audio has gone downhill. I'd like to preferably call (or email) the station (1-888-327-7018 won't work as it's the national network's # not the local station), and try to find out when this hazardous near-fatal technical difficulty will be rectified. Also, what does CE stand for? From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue May 31 16:48:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14903 invoked from network); 31 May 2005 23:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2005 23:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2005 23:48:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 23:48:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 23:48:57 -0000 X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25087 invoked from network); 31 May 2005 23:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2005 23:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2005 23:07:50 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.193.40ea3ec2 (15900) for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-D29 (fwm-d29.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.5]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID93-3e1c429cee2e23a; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:07:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 19:07:25 -0400 Message-Id: <8C7344CA505223D-E80-6C9E1@FWM-D29.sysops.aol.com> References: <1117545120.1470.24639.m16@yahoogroups.com> Received: from 65.40.167.16 by FWM-D29.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.5) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 31 May 2005 19:07:25 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <1117545120.1470.24639.m16@yahoogroups.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.12281 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.5 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Kahn / "Powerside" exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135; y=yOxJUBoY6IaoFc7oT5v1VLMkHbxDtHSrH1v6ooduH3O5 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 31 May 2005 23:48:55 -0000 I just recently acquired an old Kahn exciter that was being used for Powerside at WPCE 1400 Portsmouth Va. [ The station just recently upgraded to a solid state transmitter - mono - of course ] Anyone have an old tech manual for a Kahn exciter that they could copy, email or upload somewhere? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group/NC Division WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/AMStereo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Tue May 31 16:55:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13359 invoked from network); 31 May 2005 23:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2005 23:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2005 23:55:53 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050531235550.CEC12158.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:55:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 16:55:53 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_{AMSF}_911!!_contact_info_for_1.11MHz_Pasaden?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?a,_CA_34=B06'50"N,117=B059'51"W=3F?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=Tuow1oFVDnlvKClOi4Lu73NFeKfPQp3u_x4z7ra9zXqjpPsZcIhrEoEVfh61 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Try 310-840-4900 That is the KABC/KLOS/KDIS main number. On May 31, 2005, at 5:34 AM, pianoplayer88key wrote: > I need to report a serious flaw with their transmitter, and find out > when it will be repaired.=A0 The signal is still just as strong (or I > should say weak) as before, but the audio has gone downhill. > > I'd like to preferably call (or email) the station (1-888-327-7018 > won't work as it's the national network's # not the local station), > and try to find out when this hazardous near-fatal technical > difficulty will be rectified. > > > Also, what does CE stand for? > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 31 16:57:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81556 invoked from network); 31 May 2005 23:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2005 23:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2005 23:57:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 23:57:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 23:57:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2005 23:57:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 23:57:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1351 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.73.3 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-Quam vs IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=q1KFBMo0y5AObzwgbzgu96X1epb0iJh85VgZVTv_Lgmw0dGqqA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WBZ might still have it. They last had it on the air about a year > and a half ago, I think. I don't know anyone to ask to find out for > sure that they still have it though... WBZ's backup transmitter is C-Quam equipped, and transmits in AM Stereo with full audio bandwidth and stereo separation. Their main transmitter has been mono for the past few years and is currently transmitting IBOC during daytime hours, with very muddy- sounding 5 kHz analog audio day and night. Other stations which are known to have an AM Stereo-equipped backup transmitter (which may be used monthly, yearly, or not at all) include 720 WGN in Chicago (as confirmed by their engineer) and 650 WSM in Nashville (as indicated by reception reports). Also, about a year ago I was surprised to hear Philadephia's 950 WPEN broadcasting in beautiful-sounding full-bandwidth C-Quam AM Stereo, but after a day or two they were back to their usual IBOC signal, whose 5 kHz analog audio is among the absolute worst I've ever heard from any licensed AM broadcast station. If you think 5 kHz audio is good enough for an Oldies format, listen to WPEN and you'll prove yourself wrong! Anyway, given this anectode, I would suspect that WPEN also has a C-Quam-equipped backup transmitter, or at least is keeping their AM Stereo gear in fully operational condition. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 31 17:08:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71695 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2005 00:08:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2005 00:08:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2005 00:08:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2005 00:08:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2005 00:08:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2005 00:08:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 00:08:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1028 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.73.3 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-Quam vs IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=EeQoz687XuVPXp1e-adLbkEcJIHNYndF_I0RJcLc0QtmoElZdg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The cable box output is on NTSC Channel 3, so the TV still has to > use the built-in tuner...and it sure ain't High Definition! There is no mandate for cable TV providers to abandon analog service. It's up to the cable companies to decide how long they will continue to provide analog cable to their customers. I don't subscribe to cable TV (or satellite for that matter), but if I did, I would only choose analog cable, for two main reasons: because it can be directly received on any "Cable-Ready" TV set without the need for an ungainly set-top box, and also because I don't care for all the gimmicky "advanced features" that digital cable offers. (If I wanted that kind of stuff like pausing live TV, I'd get a Tivo box and do it myself, rather than rely upon the cable company's overpriced service.) And from what I've heard and seen, the picture quality of digital cable is often *worse* than that of analog NTSC -- just as on-air "HDTV" is, at its common "Standard Definition" (non-widescreen) resolution. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 31 17:26:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64811 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2005 00:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2005 00:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2005 00:26:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2005 00:26:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2005 00:26:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2005 00:26:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 00:26:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1024 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.73.3 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: KDIS?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=Bc2vuQTsSZp9phYOU1yscVjUnmI39YfNZ1qk94q_WF2UkjA2yA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > KDIS will be HD by the end of June, according to my source. This directly contradicts an earlier report, by Davido Eduardo Gleason, which indicated that 1110 KDIS is forbidden to transmit IBOC because of an existing interference management agreement between them and 1090 XEPRS in Rosarito/San Diego. According to him, ABC wanted to convert 1110 to IBOC as soon as they flipped from KRLA to KDIS (Radio Disney), but this is why they didn't, and chose to continue broadcasting Radio Disney in C-Quam AM Stereo instead. If 1110 KDIS begins transmitting IBOC, they are going to cause some significant second-adjacent-channel interference to 1090 XEPRS in the San Diego area, especially right along the Pacific coast, where KDIS's signal is the strongest. Mark my words, folks: All it takes is one major-market 50 kW AM station to get seriously bitten by IBOC interference -- especially during the daytime, when no excuses about skywave reception can be made -- and it'll be curtains for IBOC, at least on the AM band. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue May 31 17:30:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21655 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2005 00:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2005 00:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2005 00:29:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 May 2005 17:29:59 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.209 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 00:29:58 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: pianoplayer88key Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 00:29:58 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2005 00:29:59.0618 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B2AAA20:01C56641] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 911!! contact info for 1.11MHz Pasadena, CA 34??6'50"N,117??59'51"W? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 I'd like to preferably call (or email) the station (1-888-327-7018 won't work as it's the national network's # not the local station), and try to find out when this hazardous near-fatal technical difficulty will be rectified. ----------------------------------- HAVE you tried using www.radio-locator.com=20 to find their local number or address? -------------------------- Also, what does CE stand for? It could stand for chocolate =C3=A9clair :), but my hunch is it probably st= ands for Chief Engineer! Donn st petersburg, -----Original Message----- From: pianoplayer88key Sent: Tue, 31 May 2005 05:34:21 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} 911!! contact info for 1.11MHz Pasadena, CA 34=C2=B06'50"N,= 117=C2=B059'51"W? I need to report a serious flaw with their transmitter, and find out when it will be repaired. The signal is still just as strong (or I should say weak) as before, but the audio has gone downhill. I'd like to preferably call (or email) the station (1-888-327-7018 won't work as it's the national network's # not the local station), and try to find out when this hazardous near-fatal technical difficulty will be rectified. Also, what does CE stand for? From rwagoner@cox.net Tue May 31 17:46:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94905 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2005 00:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2005 00:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao08.cox.net) (68.230.241.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2005 00:46:35 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050601004632.JZHS16890.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:46:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <3084ff2edd19da661836f426b97799eb@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:46:35 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-Quam vs IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=9esnsAjqhY4OlVdxB6Yfmcf9c_mOZpQSBL9fWF3u2TUqtcbmf1Al--JWm2ob X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I have it, and I like it. Both HD and digital cable. On May 31, 2005, at 5:08 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > The cable box output is on NTSC Channel 3, so the TV still has to > > use the built-in tuner...and it sure ain't High Definition! > > There is no mandate for cable TV providers to abandon analog service. > It's up to the cable companies to decide how long they will continue > to provide analog cable to their customers. > > I don't subscribe to cable TV (or satellite for that matter), but > if I did, I would only choose analog cable, for two main reasons: > because it can be directly received on any "Cable-Ready" TV set > without the need for an ungainly set-top box, and also because I > don't care for all the gimmicky "advanced features" that digital > cable offers.=A0 (If I wanted that kind of stuff like pausing live TV, > I'd get a Tivo box and do it myself, rather than rely upon the cable > company's overpriced service.)=A0 And from what I've heard and seen, > the picture quality of digital cable is often *worse* than that of > analog NTSC -- just as on-air "HDTV" is, at its common "Standard > Definition" (non-widescreen) resolution. > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > From rwagoner@cox.net Tue May 31 17:50:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54766 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2005 00:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2005 00:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao07.cox.net) (68.230.241.32) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2005 00:50:12 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050601005012.ZZLB1367.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:50:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <3084ff2edd19da661836f426b97799eb@cox.net> References: <3084ff2edd19da661836f426b97799eb@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <20de35a2312c8a79d6715c1c66d430e6@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:50:13 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: KDIS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=7VcKyHE5whEL2Bg2NNCgP1mYemlPhGzyQ9hJsIgF7s1746nySTBjQSIa8VUC X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner From my secret source: I actually got a call later today from our Chief Engineer with some additional info. Looks like we're switching to IBOC/HD during the day, but at night we'll be stereo. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 31 19:14:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12565 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2005 02:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2005 02:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2005 02:14:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2005 02:14:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2005 02:14:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 02:14:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 160 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.108.67 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_911!!_contact_info_for_1.11MHz_Pasadena,_CA_34=B06'50"N,117=B059'51"W=3F?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=JY3JPBpTEDjqJflZ1Kb3bbxmLgvhLFwlJwXi-ePnMxldiVcW X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > > Also, what does CE stand for? "Chief Engineer". Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue May 31 19:51:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74402 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2005 02:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2005 02:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2005 02:51:18 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:51:14 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.201 by BAY101-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 02:51:14 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 22:37:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2005 02:51:14.0428 (UTC) FILETIME=[C68C0BC0:01C56654] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HDTV was: Re: C-Quam vs IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=qHnuBwQJRSvunAppEqcrgCYyDzLjzANJ5bg_G_Uf5OdkOs3lj3VzgkHAFeu2ZA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 narkspud wrote: > But most cable boxes nowadays use component, DVI or HDMI to get the HD picture to the set. NTSC Channel 3 is so 80's. You would be amazed at how "80's" many Cable systems still are! In Lake County, Florida (Orlando Market), the Cable system is an old 36 Channel analog only system with NO internet or digital service! In fact, they don't even have adressable set top boxes! They use notch filters to block out premium channels, then if you subscribe to the premium channel, a lineman has to come out to your house and remove the filter can! LOL When your drive through the communities this cable system "serves", the first thing you notice is nearly EVERY home from mansions to slum shacks have a Satellite Dish stuck on the Southwestern side of them! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue May 31 20:27:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 73926 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2005 03:27:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2005 03:27:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2005 03:27:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2005 03:27:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2005 03:27:58 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64825 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2005 01:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2005 01:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2005 01:01:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2005 01:01:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2005 01:01:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2005 01:01:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 01:01:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20de35a2312c8a79d6715c1c66d430e6@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 379 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.181.196.176 From: "pianoplayer88key" Subject: Re: KDIS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104; y=CYNhDoWeEMEAtf05mt47NiEb-xQh7eGzzm2cAKnTqvgIBnb81_uslfGDQA X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 01 Jun 2005 03:27:57 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > From my secret source: > > I actually got a call later today from our Chief Engineer with some > additional info. Looks like we're switching to IBOC/HD during the day, > but at night we'll be stereo. Would it be possible to run C-Quam during the Top 30 countdown and Playhouse Disney at least? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 31 20:32:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60808 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2005 03:32:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2005 03:32:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2005 03:32:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2005 03:32:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2005 03:32:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2005 03:32:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 03:32:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1169 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.73.3 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Jack FM... now on AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=l7nmng7IHXuESZXOJE4P--7z8_g3Nlb90Ng3L5LatJytDO3QkA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com -- the "Jack"-type Variety Hits format is all the buzz lately, and now it's coming to AM: AM Station Promises a 'Texas-Sized Jukebox' Aimed at 35-64 ========================================================== Here's how one AM station in Texas is putting the latest radio programming trends to work. First Broadcasting's "Mighty 1190," 50 kW outlet KFXR, had been playing all-Beatles after buying the station from Clear Channel in January. Now it's promoting itself under the rubric "Rock & Roldies" and using the slogan "Guess What's Next" to describe its format that draws from thousands of pop, rock, soul, disco, R&B, classic rock and oldies cuts. The music will range from the '50s to the '80s and include currents; it is aimed at the 35-64 demo, which it calls "a large and highly desirable audience that has largely been neglected by the young-skewing music stations in North Texas." The station plans to play no commercials through the summer. First Broadcasting said the original Mighty 1190 was the top-rated local station from the mid-'50s to the '70s and once had over a 50% share of the entire radio audience. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 31 21:35:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82142 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2005 04:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2005 04:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.59) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2005 04:35:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n30.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2005 04:35:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2005 04:35:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 04:35:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 687 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.108.67 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: KDIS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=XDSzrK_bWHjOBhRjGGZo8HZ1JUx6HE8wTjdGtc3oWkpJiQiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > From my secret source: > > > > I actually got a call later today from our Chief Engineer with some > > additional info. Looks like we're switching to IBOC/HD during the day, > > but at night we'll be stereo. > > Would it be possible to run C-Quam during the Top 30 countdown and > Playhouse Disney at least? Don't expect it. But like I said, who are they catering to? A shame, too- I like the host of Playhouse Disney. :) At least Radio Disney is on XM, and is on one of my presets. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Jun 01 17:41:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13028 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2005 00:41:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2005 00:41:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2005 00:41:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2005 00:41:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2005 00:41:45 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54957 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2005 07:45:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2005 07:45:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2005 07:45:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2005 07:43:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2005 07:43:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 07:43:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 884 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.181.196.176 From: "pianoplayer88key" Subject: Re: KDIS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104; y=RFoo0oLW5rm7GqqRl0nxzxHmYVndkDaTtXB5gok7-dyoPX9IhsjSyuQUXg X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 02 Jun 2005 00:41:43 -0000 Yea, BB Good is fun to listen to. :) I also like Susan Huber, and David Jordan. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > > wrote: > > > From my secret source: > > > > > > I actually got a call later today from our Chief Engineer with some > > > additional info. Looks like we're switching to IBOC/HD during the > day, > > > but at night we'll be stereo. > > > > Would it be possible to run C-Quam during the Top 30 countdown and > > Playhouse Disney at least? > > Don't expect it. But like I said, who are they catering to? > > A shame, too- I like the host of Playhouse Disney. :) At least Radio > Disney is on XM, and is on one of my presets. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 01 17:52:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52330 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2005 00:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2005 00:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2005 00:52:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2005 01:52:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2005 00:52:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2005 00:52:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:52:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1675 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.73.3 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Good news about WPEN! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=uPWOl4H_YnbNM3zi0QR_2iGw3zwVl4uFyMhRfQkt9LZOKHtsvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics No, they didn't save a bunch of money on their car insurance, but WPEN did turn off their IBOC today. This morning I was pleased to tune in 950 WPEN and hear a clear analog AM signal with no IBOC hash on the sidebands. Their audio is still only 6 kHz mono rather than full-bandwidth AM Stereo, but at least it's a step in the right direction, and it's amazing how much of an improvement dumping IBOC has made in WPEN's signal quality. It's not just my imagination -- WPEN's signal really is stronger and louder now that they've turned off the IBOC, plus the extra audio bandwidth makes them sound so much better than they did with the IBOC on that the difference is quite surprising, even on a narrowband receiver. When WPEN had their IBOC enabled, they were cascading their Omnia's 6 kHz filter with the 5 kHz filter in the IBOC exciter, and this caused severe problems with mid-range "ringing", resulting in extremely harsh and tinny audio that was nearly intolerable to listen to. This problem is not so bad with a talk format, but with WPEN's Oldies music format, the "ringing" was audible nearly all the time -- and now that it's gone, their audio is immensely clearer and less distorted, even if the 6 kHz audio bandwidth is still rather constricted. This leaves Infinity's 610 WIP as the only AM IBOC station in Philadelphia -- and even WIP has not been 100% committed to IBOC, as they've been using it intermittently. Some days I tune in WIP and hear them transmitting IBOC with 5 kHz audio, and other days they're transmitting analog AM mono with 10 kHz audio. Hopefully both WIP and WPEN will decide to keep their IBOC off for good! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jun 01 18:18:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38749 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2005 01:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2005 01:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2005 01:18:43 -0000 X-Node: 3 Received: from stodd (modem0215-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.215]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j521Id4Z018631 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:18:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006d01c56711$4d8fc5a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:20:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KDIS?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=XQQY6nEYV3VjpUm3puEI2IExF1P-LiIfDsxevs45ihsVaPqmSfl- X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude There is a push to go IBOC at least on the R. Disney stations according to the WKSH engineer- WKSH went from CQuAM to IBOC several months ago. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" KDIS will be HD by the end of June, according to my source. Those 8-12 years olds have been demanding it apparently ... From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jun 01 18:34:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6096 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2005 01:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2005 01:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2005 01:34:43 -0000 X-Node: 1 Received: from stodd (modem0215-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.215]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j521YcTh017390 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:34:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008701c56713$893ad160$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:36:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KDIS?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=sTaLA817ZUMb8fwvroNfV3zcHd3sI96t6PSDQInRU2x_4OIL7cTD X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude He must be pretty valuable for him to be able to stand up to them like that. Otherwise I suspect he might be given the options of either the IBOC way or the highway. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > As reported recently, the CE for WLS has stated unequivicably that WLS > will remain in C-QUAM AM stereo until the FCC has made IBOC mandatory. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jun 01 18:42:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62085 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2005 01:42:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2005 01:42:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2005 01:42:26 -0000 X-Node: 3 Received: from stodd (modem0215-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.215]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j521ea4Z015925 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:40:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00a701c56714$5ec060c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:42:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_{AMSF}_911!!_contact_info_for_1.11MHz_Pasadena=2C_CA?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_34=B06'50=22N=2C117=B059'51=22W=3F?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=1PX_MQV_bCxAROjMVZRho8Tl731Uq-6Ns_Uo4lgKFUYxzQ4rbHpu X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Chances are the ABC stations in your area are consolidated in one or two locations, so any local phone number for one of their other stations in LA will service them all. CE= Chief Engineer (a term being replaced by Chief Operator, since broadcast techs don't typically have a "professional engineering" license.) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > > I'd like to preferably call (or email) the station (1-888-327-7018 > won't work as it's the national network's # not the local station), > and try to find out when this hazardous near-fatal technical > difficulty will be rectified. > > > Also, what does CE stand for? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jun 01 18:48:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31516 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2005 01:48:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2005 01:48:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2005 01:48:33 -0000 X-Node: 3 Received: from stodd (modem0215-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.215]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j521mU4Z026822 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:48:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00c901c56715$79056ce0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:50:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jack FM... now on AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=gzKLpiy2cIxU0I_BeNKxVj5FoGXlz_YW0k5NQmHpwd-airt73Le2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Keep tabs on their success, please. If they do it right, who knows whether they might be hugely successful again, though the days of 50%+ audiences are permanently gone (barring a nuclear disaster that wipes out all but one station :) I've heard that the Jack format isn't doing too well in most markets, but it could be a failure of execution rather than concept. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." To: Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: {AMSF} Jack FM... now on AM > From www.radioworld.com -- the "Jack"-type Variety Hits format is > all the buzz lately, and now it's coming to AM: > > > AM Station Promises a 'Texas-Sized Jukebox' Aimed at 35-64 > ========================================================== From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Jun 01 19:27:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92695 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2005 02:27:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2005 02:27:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2005 02:27:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2005 02:25:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2005 02:25:37 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52962 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2005 01:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2005 01:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2005 01:10:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2005 01:10:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2005 01:10:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 01:10:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1539 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.181.196.176 From: "pianoplayer88key" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_911!!_contact_info_for_1.11MHz_Pasadena,_CA_34=B06'50"N,117=B059'51"W=3F?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104; y=GcUCYSSQFDGc8_Kn20sAzZeeS_GNy5al3MWZ4xIGTeKoXgS2DkAmnb3uhg X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 02 Jun 2005 02:25:35 -0000 No go. :( Also the number listed on Radio-Locator, which is different from the KABC # which is different from this one, doesn't work either. This # - "ABC" answered, but couldn't patch me through to KDIS, and no, I didn't want the request line (1-888-EARS-018). Anyone have an email address for the CE at KDIS, or whoever I should report the serious audio quality flaw to? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Try 310-840-4900 >=20 > That is the KABC/KLOS/KDIS main number. >=20 > On May 31, 2005, at 5:34 AM, pianoplayer88key wrote: >=20 > > I need to report a serious flaw with their transmitter, and find out > > when it will be repaired. The signal is still just as strong (or I > > should say weak) as before, but the audio has gone downhill. > > > > I'd like to preferably call (or email) the station (1-888-327-7018 > > won't work as it's the national network's # not the local station), > > and try to find out when this hazardous near-fatal technical > > difficulty will be rectified. > > > > > > Also, what does CE stand for? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > >=20=20 > > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >=20=20 > > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > > Service. > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 01 19:53:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1335 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2005 02:53:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2005 02:53:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2005 02:53:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2005 02:52:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2005 02:52:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 02:52:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00a701c56714$5ec060c0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 600 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.109.244 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_{AMSF}_911!!_contact_info_for_1.11MHz_Pasadena,_CA_34=B06'50"N,117=B059'51"W=3F?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=3_1ftgp9UQkYtpVv8lvdC1a9w26lB8cHq_LO5RRCHIKzIVv9 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > CE= Chief Engineer (a term being replaced by Chief Operator, since broadcast > techs don't typically have a "professional engineering" license.) From what I know, it doesn't appear to be a requirement anymore, allowing broadcast stations to be 100% automated, requiring no human intervention. A shame, IMO. A good engineer would be proud to follow certain standards of excellence, even if the standards are lowered, they would be willing to meet the older, higher standards. Quality in, quality out. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Jun 01 21:50:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60716 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2005 04:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2005 04:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.241.30) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2005 04:50:39 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050602044928.ZVOI7275.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 00:49:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:49:27 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_{AMSF}_Re:_911!!_contact_info_for_1.11MHz_Pas?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?adena,_CA_34=B06'50"N,117=B059'51"W=3F?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=LcxwKqZXZFBNyrDydJuEgwOiW27WNnH50T-OcfxTlDZdtqA7k5QkP87ugfWT X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner All the engineering is done by the same people. There most likely is no=20 patch to KDIS itself because no one "runs" it. The KDIS engineer is the=20 same as for KLOS and KABC. On Jun 1, 2005, at 6:10 PM, pianoplayer88key wrote: > No go.=A0 :(=A0 Also the number listed on Radio-Locator, which is > different from the KABC # which is different from this one, doesn't > work either.=A0 This # - "ABC" answered, but couldn't patch me through > to KDIS, and no, I didn't want the request line (1-888-EARS-018). > > Anyone have an email address for the CE at KDIS, or whoever I should > report the serious audio quality flaw to? > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > Try 310-840-4900 > > > > That is the KABC/KLOS/KDIS main number. > > > > On May 31, 2005, at 5:34 AM, pianoplayer88key wrote: > > > > > I need to report a serious flaw with their transmitter, and find=20 > out > > >=A0 when it will be repaired.=A0 The signal is still just as strong=20 > (or I > > >=A0 should say weak) as before, but the audio has gone downhill. > > > > > >=A0 I'd like to preferably call (or email) the station=20 > (1-888-327-7018 > > >=A0 won't work as it's the national network's # not the local=20 > station), > > >=A0 and try to find out when this hazardous near-fatal technical > > >=A0 difficulty will be rectified. > > > > > > > > >=A0 Also, what does CE stand for? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =95 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 To visit your group on the web, = go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > >=A0 > > > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =95 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 To unsubscribe from this group, = send an email to: > > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > >=A0 > > > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =95 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is sub= ject to the Yahoo!=20 > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 > Service. > From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Jun 01 23:58:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6865 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2005 06:58:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2005 06:58:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2005 06:58:57 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.47] (pool-138-89-142-108.mad.east.verizon.net [138.89.142.108]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j526vIrW044407 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 02:57:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <429EAD3F.30507@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 02:54:55 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=7BAMSF=7D_911!!_contact_info_for?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_1=2E11MHz_Pasadena=2C_CA_34=B06=2750=22N=2C117=B0?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?59=2751=22W=3F?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=Q6wGeUjmoZgEncSZL5fkgowfMJ2qhDZJEX0Z-zlW9NDgng X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy Actually all stations must have a designated Chief Operator. and this must be Posted along with the license. and in the Public File. The Station does not need a Chief Engineer Under 10kw it can be a contract Engineer. In My Case I am the CE and the CO for the stations I maintain. Amy Mousie wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > > >>CE= Chief Engineer (a term being replaced by Chief Operator, since >> >> >broadcast > > >>techs don't typically have a "professional engineering" license.) >> >> > >>From what I know, it doesn't appear to be a requirement anymore, >allowing broadcast stations to be 100% automated, requiring no human >intervention. > >A shame, IMO. > >A good engineer would be proud to follow certain standards of >excellence, even if the standards are lowered, they would be willing to >meet the older, higher standards. > >Quality in, quality out. > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 02 02:10:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2277 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2005 09:10:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2005 09:10:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2005 09:10:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2005 09:09:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2005 09:09:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2005 09:09:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 09:09:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <429EAD3F.30507@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1043 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.242.68 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_{AMSF}_911!!_contact_info_for_1.11MHz_Pasadena,_CA_34=B06'50"N,117=B059'51"W=3F?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=XF6KrqaLyx0f5V38roe6BVcjH2KvOydUach39CjmnlbcYSM0 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > Amy H'lo, neal... > Actually all stations must have a designated Chief Operator. and this > must be Posted along with the license. > and in the Public File. > The Station does not need a Chief Engineer Under 10kw it can be a > contract Engineer. > In My Case I am the CE and the CO for the stations I maintain. It's good you keep a good ship. :) However, my point being, is that most stations- not your's, obviously- seem to operate like nobody's home, and are allowed to run as if it doesn't matter one bit whether anybody's there to run things at all. Radio stations have been coming off as being as lifeless as their programming content or their listenership. Radio seems to have become a waste, with only a few exceptions (like your's, again), only that the waste is driving listeners away from even the exceptions. Aside from a good handful of stations (again, such as your's), I hold little hope for radio at this time. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kya1260@lycos.com Thu Jun 02 18:01:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2805 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2005 01:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2005 01:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2005 01:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 1F38A180012F for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 01:01:22 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 3 Jun 2005 01:01:21 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B0DC7C610F; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 01:01:21 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; A1.17; B2.12; Q2.03) Received: from [69.108.205.31] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:01:21 -0800 X-Mailer: mail.lycos.com webmail To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:01:21 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050603010121.B0DC7C610F@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?UmU6IHtBTVNGfSA5MTEh?= =?iso-8859-1?B?ISBjb250YWN0IGluZm8g?= =?iso-8859-1?B?Zm9yIDEuMTFNSHogUGFz?= =?iso-8859-1?B?YWRlbmEsIENBIDM0sDYn?= =?iso-8859-1?B?NTAiTiwxMTewNTknNTEi?= =?iso-8859-1?B?Vz8=?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=M9Ce2yOE2dm11ZWpf-eBOQjsVlCTbEW96lRtsQ_z5nuurSeUrA X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Neal/Amy/et al... Based on your recent postings, is there any need for the S.B.E.=20 (Society of Broadcast Engineers) license anymore? At least in the 1990s, some stations, like the ones in Sacramento I was associated with, recommended an S.B.E. engineers license, since the FCC stopped the first/second/ general licenses in 1985. Since 1981, I've have a "lifetime general,"=20 which used to be a "P-1." At the time, DJs needed the P-1 to operate a directional-AM xmtr)... Cordially curious, --Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 911!! contact info for 1.11MHz Pasadena, CA 34=B06'50"N= ,117=B059'51"W? Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 09:09:53 -0000 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman > wrote: > > Amy >=20 > H'lo, neal... >=20 > > Actually all stations must have a designated Chief Operator. and > this > > must be Posted along with the license. > > and in the Public File. > > The Station does not need a Chief Engineer Under 10kw it can be=20=20 > > a contract Engineer. > > In My Case I am the CE and the CO for the stations I maintain. >=20 > It's good you keep a good ship. :) However, my point being, is that > most stations- not your's, obviously- seem to operate like nobody's > home, and are allowed to run as if it doesn't matter one bit whether > anybody's there to run things at all. Radio stations have been coming > off as being as lifeless as their programming content or their > listenership. >=20 > Radio seems to have become a waste, with only a few exceptions (like > your's, again), only that the waste is driving listeners away from > even the exceptions. >=20 > Aside from a good handful of stations (again, such as your's), I hold > little hope for radio at this time. >=20 > :( >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From baansy@yahoo.com Thu Jun 02 18:20:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51669 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2005 01:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2005 01:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2005 01:20:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2005 01:19:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2005 01:19:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 01:19:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 475 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 220.235.117.9 From: "baansy" Subject: SEN GONE ALL READY! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728; y=7bno5aCTRR-xGTypFcg7rMuhLBV-qkxfuwRWDW9sxyhW X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy SEN here in Adelaide has been scraped all ready. I think most people in Adelaide knew it wouldn't last long. I was listening to MIX 102 FM on the way to work yesteday afternoon and I heard the radio announcer pretending to be talking to his mother on the telephone and saying that they are now also broadcasting on 1323 Khz on the AM band. I had a listen to 1323 on the SONY SRF-AX15 but when I flicked the switch to STEREO it sounded distorted in the left channel. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 02 18:41:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92441 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2005 01:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2005 01:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2005 01:40:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2005 01:39:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2005 01:39:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2005 01:39:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 01:39:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 246 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.242.68 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: SEN GONE ALL READY! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=tUAzoDuR34EEJMvOgizPxV6V5ew2L3ccgtggvS-kQPaoq_PD X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "baansy" wrote: > I had a listen to 1323 on the SONY SRF-AX15 but when I flicked the > switch to STEREO it sounded distorted in the left channel. Sounds like Kahn PowerSide. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 02 18:51:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16564 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2005 01:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2005 01:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2005 01:51:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2005 01:50:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2005 01:50:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 01:50:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050603010121.B0DC7C610F@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1238 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.242.68 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_{AMSF}_911!!_contact_info_for_1.11MHz_Pasadena,_CA_34=B06'50"N,117=B059'51"W=3F?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=0tCR4NhP1OEhTZVltdHirRrFSjLl9_lpZFKachemz2awovqj X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > Neal/Amy/et al... > Based on your recent postings, is there any need for the S.B.E. > (Society of Broadcast Engineers) license anymore? I'm not sure I trust SBE these days, since they're supporting IBOC, but as a general rule, I prefer to trust the competence of a licensed engineer, only that I think the standards for engineering have gone way down the tubes. :( Sad, really. :( > At least in the 1990s, some stations, like the ones in > Sacramento I was associated with, recommended an S.B.E. > engineers license, since the FCC stopped the first/second/ > general licenses in 1985. Since 1981, I've have a "lifetime general," > which used to be a "P-1." At the time, DJs needed the P-1 to operate > a directional-AM xmtr)... I have a 1976 edition First-Class Radiotelecommunications Operator's exam study book a friend gave me when I was young- I could pass it at 80-85%. Too bad the requirements have been reduced or eliminated. This whole thing makes me wonder if even the FCC is needed, since pretty much everything they're needed for they've passed on to others to do for them. I'm just sick of the way things have become. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Fri Jun 03 01:30:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51437 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2005 08:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2005 08:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au) (150.229.7.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2005 08:30:18 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au (138.194.3.56) by act-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au with SMTP; 03 Jun 2005 18:30:06 +1000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,164,1114956000"; d="scan'208"; a="47888344:sNHT20525500" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 3 Jun 2005 18:30:05 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 18:30:05 +1000 Message-ID: <301F0FCB8B8F3542B0F6C31E1EA5F86817F7FE@exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: SEN GONE ALL READY! Thread-Index: AcVn3U8LLXflZuFDTS2024C59svt+AAOtBsg To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2005 08:30:05.0527 (UTC) FILETIME=[71A70E70:01C56816] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: SEN GONE ALL READY! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=C-3zyc2DbFaq1VWsEcXOKrBxuGeIryY8H24ectjgVidk -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "baansy" wrote: > I had a listen to 1323 on the SONY SRF-AX15 but when I flicked the=20 > switch to STEREO it sounded distorted in the left channel. > Sounds like Kahn PowerSide. Adelaide's SEN isn't stereo. Adelaide hasn't had AM stereo for years. Melbourne's SEN is in receivership. There's a creditors meeting next week.= One can only hope that 3AK comes back in some form ... in stereo. After a lot of tweaking Magic 693 has been in mono for a few weeks. I rang= the engineer today fearing the very worst. But - no worries. The AM stereo exciter has been sent to Sydney FOR REPAIR= S!!! How good is that? From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Jun 03 07:53:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26390 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2005 14:53:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2005 14:53:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm43.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2005 14:53:24 -0000 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (pimout2-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.217]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j53ErWKd009684 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:53:32 -0400 X-ORBL: [66.72.39.190] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-66-72-39-190.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [66.72.39.190]) by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with SMTP id j53ErIM3190146 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:53:23 -0400 Message-ID: <006701c5684b$fd8cb4a0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20050603010121.B0DC7C610F@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:53:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: First Class / General License X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=DqT9DABhDsm8Zi5rwSWETdAfIRAX1CYXGSallFI2V12zVp4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Jay Arnold wrote: > At least in the 1990s, some stations, like the ones in > Sacramento I was associated with, recommended an S.B.E. > engineers license, since the FCC stopped the first/second/ > general licenses in 1985. Since 1981, I've have a "lifetime general," > which used to be a "P-1." At the time, DJs needed the P-1 to operate > a directional-AM xmtr)... When I got my first job in radio (at what is now known as a Class C -graveyard- channel with 1KW days /250 watts nights/ Omni 24/7), all I had was a 3rd ticket, but a cross-town station wanted to hire me away and offered to pay for me to go to St Petersburg for a 6 week "crash course", in which they taught you the answers to the FCC exam. I passed the test and got my 1st. ticket in 1975. I renewed it once, but got out of radio during the Reagan administration, at which time I let it lapse, having come to the realization that I didn't quite have the talent or pipes to make it to a major market , and therefore I couldn't afford to continue a career in radio. Thus I never did get one of those "lifetime general" replacements of which Jay speaks. The funny part is, in 1975 I had a 1st Class FCC license, yet I couldn't tell you the value of a resistor if my life depended on it, yet today I am the CE/IT Dude for a 6 station group. I only do that so I can remain on the air and make a decent living. It's ironic that I had a license allowing me to make adjustments to a 50,000 AM transmitter with a directional array, but had absolutely no idea at the time how it worked. I adjusted phasing equipment and transmitters that filled rooms, not having a clue what I was doing. Not to mention that reliable, stable, solid state transmitters were still years away. They just told me to take readings and if anything was really screwed-up, call the CE. It was only after I got the license that I took classes and followed the CE around like a little lost puppy, soaking up everything I could. I did that at every station at which I've worked. I'm fortunate that I did because that knowledge is what I hope allows me to work right-up to retirement doing the only thing I ever wanted to do in life. I feel grossly incompetent when I read messages from Amy, who works outside of radio (I believe), yet she has 10-times more knowledge of working electronics and RF engineering than I'll ever have. -Jim- From tomray@wor710.com Fri Jun 03 10:05:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40650 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2005 17:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2005 17:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.60) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2005 17:05:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n31.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2005 17:05:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2005 17:05:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:05:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006701c5684b$fd8cb4a0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1964 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: First Class / General License X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=rwmJlMPuDj1dTdQ9KL-RJEfKKWtSMkmms9BTJepvincXfDHI X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: a cross-town station wanted to hire me away and > offered to pay for me to go to St Petersburg for a 6 week "crash course", in > which they taught you the answers to the FCC exam....... > It's ironic that I had a license allowing me to make adjustments to a 50,000 > AM transmitter with a directional array, but had absolutely no idea at the > time how it worked. I adjusted phasing equipment and transmitters that > filled rooms, not having a clue what I was doing. Not to mention that > reliable, stable, solid state transmitters were still years away. They just > told me to take readings and if anything was really screwed-up, call the CE. This is precisely why the FCC did away with the 1st. Class ticket....too many people getting a ticket that took a memorization course to pass the test, but didn't have enough knowlege to plug in a lamp. The FCC also held the operator liable in those days for technical violations....today, it's the station licensee. Good for you for sucking up information, taking an interest and hanging with the CE.....most people who took the test after the cram course simply put it in a frame and went about their business. FYI - there is no SBE 'license'. There is SBE Certification which gets you a certificate that not only says you know enough to pass the test, but you have enough experience in the business to qualify to take the test.....this way, you can't just cram for the exam.....you need to prove you have technical experience. The Cert certificate is not a replacement for a license (and there are still areas, like microwave, where the FCC requires a license). One of it's intentions is to let employers know that the person they are interviewing does, indeed, have experience. Tom Ray VP/Corporate Director of Engineering Buckley Broadcasting/WOR Radio NYC also: Chairman, SBE Chapter 15, NYC Board of Directors, SBE TR From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 03 11:28:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81796 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2005 18:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2005 18:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2005 18:28:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2005 18:28:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2005 18:28:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:28:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006701c5684b$fd8cb4a0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2548 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.110.66 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: First Class / General License X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=-gpfp-PFuvnxturLmn-q5aWDuCHFle2fQiRDmwfHN0XuMm1B X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > I feel grossly incompetent when I read messages from Amy, who works outside > of radio (I believe), yet she has 10-times more knowledge of working > electronics and RF engineering than I'll ever have. Umm.. *deep burgundy blush* Thank you for the compliment, although I'm not sure I deserve it. I love radio, with a deep passion- I always have, ever since I was very young. Aside from math, I think I'm mentally competant for serious engineering, but serious real-life limitations have always been setting me back- mostly having to do with very poor eyesight. Radio theory and electronics at least keep my mind busy. Even with my love of radio, I won't give up just because there are some things I can't do, so I try to be as supportive of what I love, criticise what I see as its failings (both technical and non-technical), and try to be a good listener to those more knowledgable and experienced- And there are quite a few of you out there. Now, as to this topic... I really wish broadcast engineers had the same qualifications as Advanced/Extra-Class hams. (Some of you ARE, and that is good.) Were this the case, IBOC would never- and I repeat, NEVER- have gotten off the ground in its current form. As much as I love AM stereo, I don't care if a station is stereo or not, just as long as the engineer is competant enough to realise the necessity of quality that benefits the most listeners- "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"- and we know that IBOC does NOT benefit the most listeners, because of its direct and indirect impacts upon non-IBOC listeners- the overwhelming majority out there. Under this same criterion, where does AM stereo fit in? It does not have a negative impact on non-stereo reception- In fact, it has a few added benefits in the form of improved sound due to reducing and controlling phase modulation, including the extra work needed to make sure IPM is at its minimal. My first taste of AM stereo was in the form of the effects it had on mono AM, namely the more lifelike sound, and that's thanks to the reduced IPM which does cause distortion. AMS was a blessing, then. And when I heard AMS in stereo for the first time, I was blown away- And 20 years on, I still am. To those dedicated to AMS all these years, I honestly thank you all for making something I love- radio- a better experience. :) I wouldn't feel as I do if I didn't care, and God knows I do care. Love, Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kya1260@lycos.com Fri Jun 03 12:03:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17848 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2005 19:03:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2005 19:03:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2005 19:03:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 5315C1800131 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:03:12 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 3 Jun 2005 19:03:12 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3C09E86B10; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:03:12 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; A1.17; B2.12; Q2.03) Received: from [69.108.205.31] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:03:12 -0800 X-Mailer: mail.lycos.com webmail To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:03:12 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050603190312.3C09E86B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: First Class / General License X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=dA0Jqm7opPpw7HPQQ19XvYLKsDOYFQu8597PNXXOmhcAXvpEsA X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Jim, I, myself, confess to using a 6-week "crash course" in July 1981, to receive my P-1 (although at that very time, the FCC announced that the 1st and 2nd-class licenses would merge into a "general radiotelephone," which you'd still renew every five years). In 1985, they did away with the license altogether, giving you until the end of 1985 to get the "lifetime general," a blah piece of documentation if ever there were... When I worked in Sacramento, only three of us on the KHYL(FM) airstaff=20 of 15+- still had the lifetime general (or P-zero, as I call it), and=20 that was 1997(!)... Though I never became an engineer, I still had enough of a desire to learn all about electronics - despite my weakness past Algebra 1 -=20 and have come to appreciate amplitude modulated radio even more so=20 since getting my license. Though I was warned in 1981, I didn't care if=20 the license was being diminished over time, like it has... I always wanted to help KVON out when doing field readings. Always fun=20 to learn about directional AM radio's nuances...four-tower day,=20 three-tower night...Ah, yes, the old field-intensity meter-readers that utilized the OLD Eveready "B" batteries! Amazing... I think the ONLY thing I remember of basic electronics, besides the=20 resistor 'color code' (correct?) was the "PIE" equation (P =3D E over I?? Or is it P =3D I over E?? Or P =3D I times E??...forgot again!) I, too, respect Amy, Kevin, Tom, et al, for their prowess at electronics, and like you, Jim, feel the same when you said: > I feel grossly incompetent when I read messages from Amy, who works=20 > outside of radio (I believe), yet she has 10-times more knowledge of=20 > working electronics and RF engineering than I'll ever have. --Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: First Class / General License Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:53:18 -0500 >=20 > > Jay Arnold wrote: > > At least in the 1990s, some stations, like the ones in > > Sacramento I was associated with, recommended an S.B.E. > > engineers license, since the FCC stopped the first/second/ > > general licenses in 1985. Since 1981, I've have a "lifetime general," > > which used to be a "P-1." At the time, DJs needed the P-1 to operate > > a directional-AM xmtr)... >=20 > When I got my first job in radio (at what is now known as a Class > C -graveyard- channel with 1KW days /250 watts nights/ Omni 24/7), all I = had > was a 3rd ticket, but a cross-town station wanted to hire me away and > offered to pay for me to go to St Petersburg for a 6 week "crash course",= in > which they taught you the answers to the FCC exam. I passed the test and > got my 1st. ticket in 1975. I renewed it once, but got out of radio duri= ng > the Reagan administration, at which time I let it lapse, having come to t= he > realization that I didn't quite have the talent or pipes to make it to a > major market , and therefore I couldn't afford to continue a career in > radio. Thus I never did get one of those "lifetime general" replacements= of > which Jay speaks. The funny part is, in 1975 I had a 1st Class FCC licen= se, > yet I couldn't tell you the value of a resistor if my life depended on it= , > yet today I am the CE/IT Dude for a 6 station group. I only do that so I > can remain on the air and make a decent living. > It's ironic that I had a license allowing me to make adjustments to a 50,= 000 > AM transmitter with a directional array, but had absolutely no idea at th= e > time how it worked. I adjusted phasing equipment and transmitters that > filled rooms, not having a clue what I was doing. Not to mention that > reliable, stable, solid state transmitters were still years away. They j= ust > told me to take readings and if anything was really screwed-up, call the = CE. > It was only after I got the license that I took classes and followed the = CE > around like a little lost puppy, soaking up everything I could. I did th= at > at every station at which I've worked. I'm fortunate that I did because > that knowledge is what I hope allows me to work right-up to retirement do= ing > the only thing I ever wanted to do in life. > I feel grossly incompetent when I read messages from Amy, who works outsi= de > of radio (I believe), yet she has 10-times more knowledge of working > electronics and RF engineering than I'll ever have. > -Jim- What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Fri Jun 03 12:15:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34016 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2005 19:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2005 19:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2005 19:15:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n32.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2005 19:13:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2005 19:13:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:13:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2417 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.111.241.195 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: First Class / General License X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=VjkjEINzNEghnQUrdmsh1NiZ4cLSebDzBh8XbQivIep128c4sbUYW4Uh X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I got my First in 1980 and more than once I had to stop whomever was training me because I wanted to know what was going on with the equipment and not just take meter readings and do my thrill-packed radio show. I took so many notes that an engineer at one station copied it for everybody else. For Pete's sake, if I'm going out there at 1:30am with boots and a flashlight to read an ammeter, I want to know why! > a cross-town station wanted to hire me away and > > offered to pay for me to go to St Petersburg for a 6 week "crash > course", in > > which they taught you the answers to the FCC exam....... > > It's ironic that I had a license allowing me to make adjustments to > a 50,000 > > AM transmitter with a directional array, but had absolutely no idea > at the > > time how it worked. I adjusted phasing equipment and transmitters that > > filled rooms, not having a clue what I was doing. Not to mention that > > reliable, stable, solid state transmitters were still years away. > They just > > told me to take readings and if anything was really screwed-up, call > the CE. > > > This is precisely why the FCC did away with the 1st. Class > ticket....too many people getting a ticket that took a memorization > course to pass the test, but didn't have enough knowlege to plug in a > lamp. The FCC also held the operator liable in those days for > technical violations....today, it's the station licensee. Good for > you for sucking up information, taking an interest and hanging with > the CE.....most people who took the test after the cram course simply > put it in a frame and went about their business. > > FYI - there is no SBE 'license'. There is SBE Certification which > gets you a certificate that not only says you know enough to pass the > test, but you have enough experience in the business to qualify to > take the test.....this way, you can't just cram for the exam.....you > need to prove you have technical experience. The Cert certificate is > not a replacement for a license (and there are still areas, like > microwave, where the FCC requires a license). One of it's intentions > is to let employers know that the person they are interviewing does, > indeed, have experience. > > Tom Ray > VP/Corporate Director of Engineering > Buckley Broadcasting/WOR Radio > NYC > also: > Chairman, SBE Chapter 15, NYC > Board of Directors, SBE > > TR From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 03 12:29:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5416 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2005 19:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2005 19:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2005 19:29:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2005 19:28:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2005 19:28:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:28:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050603190312.3C09E86B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 469 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.110.66 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: First Class / General License X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=DWgIQACt12Ucydp1iv8LUOAw7THcbCYmGc-Q4PpaHVR_w-SI X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > I, too, respect Amy, Kevin, Tom, et al, for their prowess at electronics, > and like you, Jim, feel the same when you said: > > I feel grossly incompetent when I read messages from Amy, who works > > outside of radio (I believe), yet she has 10-times more knowledge of > > working electronics and RF engineering than I'll ever have. Oh, Jay.... *deep blush* Thanks... :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 03 12:34:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78492 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2005 19:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2005 19:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2005 19:34:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2005 19:33:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2005 19:33:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:33:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 638 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.110.66 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: First Class / General License X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=gbzf4Gs_dCq0v0HAs_wHfwl84Qk-iuphLnXpJskkZsqWbNVg X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" wrote: > I got my First in 1980 and more than once I had to stop whomever was > training me because I wanted to know what was going on with the > equipment and not just take meter readings and do my thrill-packed > radio show. I took so many notes that an engineer at one station > copied it for everybody else. "Ah, the student has surpassed the master! Excellent!" :) > For Pete's sake, if I'm going out there at 1:30am with boots and a > flashlight to read an ammeter, I want to know why! It's not just a paycheck- It's a labour of love. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kya1260@lycos.com Fri Jun 03 16:17:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10831 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2005 23:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2005 23:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2005 23:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 23BC218001B2 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:17:25 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 3 Jun 2005 23:17:25 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0E7BF86B10; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:17:25 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; A1.17; B2.12; Q2.03) Received: from [69.108.205.31] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:17:25 -0800 X-Mailer: mail.lycos.com webmail To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:17:25 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050603231725.0E7BF86B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: First Class / General License X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=Gpa9-7ZNRpGuVEa0XkHIKFBm8PkONCOq7keeHsfU1FReTOe6iA X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ T.R., as I recall, you are one of the lucky ones to have a "ship radar endorsement" on your P-1... Not a bad addendum at all...though is there still the need for that endorsement as well? Someone help me here... Good ol' FCC deregulation...the fun never ends... --jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: First Class / General License Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:33:58 -0000 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" > wrote: > > I got my First in 1980 and more than once I had to stop whomever=20 > > was training me because I wanted to know what was going on with=20 > > the equipment and not just take meter readings and do my=20 > > thrill-packed radio show. I took so many notes that an engineer=20 > > at one station copied it for everybody else. >=20 > "Ah, the student has surpassed the master! Excellent!" :) >=20 > > For Pete's sake, if I'm going out there at 1:30am with boots and=20 > > a flashlight to read an ammeter, I want to know why! >=20 > It's not just a paycheck- It's a labour of love. :) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Jun 03 17:05:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20097 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2005 00:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2005 00:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2005 00:05:31 -0000 X-Node: 3 Received: from stodd (modem0430-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.212.176]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j5405Slm025804 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:05:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002701c56899$6b977460$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <301F0FCB8B8F3542B0F6C31E1EA5F86817F7FE@exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:07:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SEN GONE ALL READY! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=VS1Y_fZ5nr7jTFn_U3Z_OV813uDfKDkSgJaA_76pz5USpf7gVBOv X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Super news that someone still cares, Ian! Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > After a lot of tweaking Magic 693 has been in mono for a few weeks. I rang the engineer today fearing the very worst. > > But - no worries. The AM stereo exciter has been sent to Sydney FOR REPAIRS!!! How good is that? > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 03 18:03:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44257 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2005 01:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2005 01:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2005 01:03:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2005 01:03:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2005 01:03:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2005 01:03:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 01:03:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 982 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.73.3 From: "Kevin T." Subject: CBS-FM dumps Oldies; AM takes its place X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=3u2CUErSDI8lg34y4DwRkJE0ZG6ZeDoGsbcHNsSbPjkc8ZeZyw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As of 5 PM today, New York City's 101.1 WCBS-FM has dumped its long-running Oldies format to become the latest "Jack FM" station in Infinity's line-up. This means New York City now does not have any Oldies station. The closest alternative is now on the AM band -- Classic Oldies WMTR over in New Jersey, which has broadcast its Oldies format on 1250 WMTR and 1170 WWTR since last January. Neither station directly covers NYC, but WMTR can be heard in Western portions of Manhattan and Brooklyn, and puts a good-quality signal onto Staten Island. There are numerous cities where Oldies is an AM-only format, and now it seems that Oldies fans in New York City and the surrounding areas will be flipping over to AM as well. Indeed, my own parents were loyal CBS-FM listeners, and today they now have a GE Superadio III in their kitchen tuned to WWTR, playing the Oldies music with hi-fi wideband AM audio, which I think actually sounds _better_ than CBS-FM's audio! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Jun 03 19:42:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87593 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2005 02:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2005 02:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2005 02:42:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:42:41 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.201 by BAY101-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 02:42:41 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: , "Tom Ray" References: Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 22:42:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2005 02:42:41.0882 (UTC) FILETIME=[1448FBA0:01C568AF] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: 1 For The WOR Suggestion Box Was: CBS-FM dumps Oldies; AM takes its place X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=cyDIp88Q0ZCxHYP7XrJYW6N7u6CTqszgUqId0R7bGFMtFkKkBaUzpw46_FyHEA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin T wrote: > As of 5 PM today, New York City's 101.1 WCBS-FM has dumped its long-running Oldies format to become the latest "Jack FM" station in Infinity's line-up. > > This means New York City now does not have any Oldies station. Now this could be the "Golden Opportunity" for a New York AM with low ratings! Tom, Kerry, Why don't you go to management and put a bug in their ears? Tell them "WCBS-FM dumped Oldies while pulling a 3.3 in this book. That 3.3 sure beats the hell out of WOR's 2.1! Why not switch WOR to an all-oldies format and promote it on billboards and the "Fish Wrapper" (New York Times)? Word the newspaper ads like this: "For the first time ever, New Yorkers can hear their favorite Oldies in High Definition DIGITAL STEREO only on DIGITAL OLDIES 710 WOR-HD!" and then run the liners "Hear what the Digital BUZZ is all about, on WOR-HD!" Even if the rumor of WMCA going "Real Oldies" comes true, WOR's 50,000 Watt Digital Blowtorch should be able to blow WMCA's 5KW analog signal into the dirt, and out of the ratings book. When your suggestion puts WOR in the Arbitron Top-10, Management might give y'all a big ol' fat bonus and increase the Engineering Budget! Then you can invite your ol' buddy in Tampa up for a Steak Dinner! Buckley could then use the increased Ad revenue to buy and rejuvenate other stations with killer signals and rotten ratings such as WQEW, WWRL, and WBBR. WBBR would be a GREAT station to put a HD signal on with a Country format. Just by "Flipping a switch" you could put a C-QUAM signal with a Big Band - Nostalgia format on WQEW and have an instant audience. WWRL would be a great place to put a "Smooth Oldies" format in C-QUAM to compliment WOR's HD-Oldies format. (The reason behind keeping WQEW and WWRL analog is they will attract an older demographic that is unlikely to buy after-market HD Radios). The Buckley Cluster could clean house with the ad-revenue of these AM signals playing music! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Jun 03 20:07:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83595 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2005 03:07:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2005 03:07:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2005 03:07:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:07:43 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.201 by BAY101-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 03:07:43 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: , , References: <20c.24eaedb.2fd26875@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:07:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2005 03:07:43.0367 (UTC) FILETIME=[933D6970:01C568B2] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: [MSM] emp, was: If you bug out when TSHTF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=-RO4mT5sQeUaz0I0NIaD9y_Wdh9vmGawwds__OJ7HtPFyC-Xkd6iIBrhXwbszA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 john-locke@ntlworld.com writes: > YES! However, if the device is electronically isolated (placed inside a double faraday cage without any connection to the outside), then it should prove okay afterwards. Back in the "Good Ol' Days" when AM Radio was King, Top-40 WORD-AM 910 in Spartanburg, South Carolina had their studios in Faraday cages! Each cage was built by attaching Copper mesh screen to the walls, ceiling, and floor, silver soldered together, and silver soldered to Ground Straps connected to the Station's main grounding system. I was told this was done to keep RFI out of the turntables! It seems like shielded Audio Cables would have been a MUCH cheaper way to get rid of RFI. LOL Possum "I would rather live as a wolf, knowing that I was being hunted, because I would be free as long as I was alive. A sheep lives only as long as it pleases the shepherd to fleece it, then it is slaughtered, or left to the wolves." : Easyrunner in Misc.survivalism From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Fri Jun 03 22:31:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62132 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2005 05:31:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2005 05:31:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2005 05:31:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2005 05:31:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2005 05:31:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2005 05:31:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 05:31:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050603231725.0E7BF86B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1736 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.190.192 From: "Tom" Subject: {AMSF} Re: First Class / General License X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=fKVdh45YsN_cJTgbKkkEDY2E_NOCubdaDLatIKlpkVG308kFtRBASXyI X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Thanks guys (and gal). The only other person I knew who had the Ship Radar Endorsement was Pat Mason at KSTN in 1980. I got mine the same year. I guess you only need it if you join the Navy.... Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > T.R., as I recall, you are one of the lucky ones to > have a "ship radar endorsement" on your P-1... > > Not a bad addendum at all...though is there still the > need for that endorsement as well? Someone help me here... > > Good ol' FCC deregulation...the fun never ends... > --jay > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amy Mousie" > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: First Class / General License > Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:33:58 -0000 > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" > > wrote: > > > I got my First in 1980 and more than once I had to stop whomever > > > was training me because I wanted to know what was going on with > > > the equipment and not just take meter readings and do my > > > thrill-packed radio show. I took so many notes that an engineer > > > at one station copied it for everybody else. > > > > "Ah, the student has surpassed the master! Excellent!" :) > > > > > For Pete's sake, if I'm going out there at 1:30am with boots and > > > a flashlight to read an ammeter, I want to know why! > > > > It's not just a paycheck- It's a labour of love. :) > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > What's the GoldVine about? > < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. > http://datingsearch.lycos.com From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Fri Jun 03 22:38:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43897 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2005 05:38:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2005 05:38:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2005 05:38:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2005 05:38:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2005 05:38:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2005 05:38:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 05:38:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002701c56899$6b977460$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 525 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.190.192 From: "Tom" Subject: {AMSF} Re: SEN GONE ALL READY! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=VmONKzK8F9PU_KJSiEGsxYxk6X4Xc78Mtpnj-hk7Grvw05SxkEuqNAyt X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 It's nice to know a station kept it on long enough for it to break (!). Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Super news that someone still cares, Ian! > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > > After a lot of tweaking Magic 693 has been in mono for a few weeks. I > rang the engineer today fearing the very worst. > > > > But - no worries. The AM stereo exciter has been sent to Sydney FOR > REPAIRS!!! How good is that? > > > > From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Jun 04 01:19:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57369 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2005 08:19:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2005 08:19:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2005 08:19:49 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.47] (pool-138-89-142-108.mad.east.verizon.net [138.89.142.108]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j548JRrW070996 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 04:19:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <42A16408.6050208@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 04:19:20 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: First Class / General License X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=unaqXzz_lnKxz5ZF-jri2F2qSSgrnGR9wi4fH0dSaJ8I1g X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I took My First FCC exam the 3rd class radiotelephone I also passed and got the radar Endorsement. Never had any use for it. I found the second class exam harder than the First class exam.. then Deregulation. studied my a$$ off to pass the exams. I let them lapse.. I found I never needed to license to get a job as an ASST. or CE. If They Forced us to be Certified and I had to study today to pass an exam I would fail. I cannot Concentrate anymore. But Feel that 23 years Experience. as a practical Engineer should get me by. I don't like the guys that cram study the questions knowing the answers and Pass exams.I don't feel they are Equal. I do hold My advance class Amateur license for many years again deregulation of the Extra exam 20 wpm down to 5 wpm I don't think they should hold an extra... Now as far as the SBE.. they accept the amateur Extra towards an SBE Certification. today's extra exam should not count... as it is more Amateur regulations than it is Electronic/RF theory.They(SBE) should also accept those that Hold grand fathered Advanced class which had More theory in it than the Extra. Just my 2 cents worth. Neal. Tom wrote: >Thanks guys (and gal). The only other person I knew who had the >Ship Radar Endorsement was Pat Mason at KSTN in 1980. I got mine >the same year. I guess you only need it if you join the Navy.... > >Tom > > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" >wrote: > > >>T.R., as I recall, you are one of the lucky ones to >>have a "ship radar endorsement" on your P-1... >> >>Not a bad addendum at all...though is there still the >>need for that endorsement as well? Someone help me here... >> >>Good ol' FCC deregulation...the fun never ends... >>--jay >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Amy Mousie" >>To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >>Subject: {AMSF} Re: First Class / General License >>Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:33:58 -0000 >> >> >> >>>--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" >>> >>> > > > >>>wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I got my First in 1980 and more than once I had to stop >>>> >>>> >whomever > > >>>>was training me because I wanted to know what was going on >>>> >>>> >with > > >>>>the equipment and not just take meter readings and do my >>>>thrill-packed radio show. I took so many notes that an >>>> >>>> >engineer > > >>>>at one station copied it for everybody else. >>>> >>>> >>>"Ah, the student has surpassed the master! Excellent!" :) >>> >>> >>> >>>>For Pete's sake, if I'm going out there at 1:30am with boots >>>> >>>> >and > > >>>>a flashlight to read an ammeter, I want to know why! >>>> >>>> >>>It's not just a paycheck- It's a labour of love. :) >>> >>>Amy. <:3 )~~8~ >>> >>> >> >>What's the GoldVine about? >>< http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > >> >> >>-- >>_______________________________________________ >>NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating >> >> >sites at once. > > >>http://datingsearch.lycos.com >> >> > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jun 04 02:47:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66827 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2005 09:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2005 09:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2005 09:47:06 -0000 Received: from in4web.com (unverified [127.0.0.1]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.1.361.0) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 05:52:41 -0400 Message-ID: <8709a5e7db3f4347bc0fee163eb3eaec.ccuff@in4web.com> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 1, 0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 05:52:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1 For The WOR Suggestion Box Was: CBS-FM dumps Oldies; AM takes its place X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=i0rww3ddESNj2W71eiLgzWdpHj4QQATgLzdhYyR08t9paZV8VUgPK_O1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CBS 101.1 was long overdue for this- After all, when you have a 40 song playlist, the station becomes unbearable. It got so bad, I stopped listening to them 3 years ago. Decades on XM is so much better, IMO. I agree that NYC has all the equipment in place to bring about an AM resurgence, and I would welcome it. WBBR is the worst waste of air space, and would be great to see it come back as WNEW. BTW- If anyone is counting Radio Ditzy stations, I have my choice of FOUR RD's I can get here. What a freaking waste. Back to XM- You can get a free Roady2 if you buy any other XM radio from now till July 2. You only have to pay 3 months programming, which you would anyway. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sat Jun 04 06:15:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21823 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2005 13:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2005 13:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.18) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2005 13:15:18 -0000 Received: from user-6112.l1.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.87.224] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1DeYUf-0005UK-N1 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 14:15:17 +0100 Message-ID: <+c4x6pFNkaoCFwVy@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 14:13:49 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-Originating-IP: 195.92.193.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: FA: Selling some stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669; y=Z1ns03ChrNMFv9LO6VvFAl-sbpSJZGLogQ_wFNyoeCH5h9PEFLKLH2kt X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZphilstheboss Good luck should you decide to bid. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Jun 04 09:38:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29406 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2005 16:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2005 16:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm43.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.74) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2005 16:38:38 -0000 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.65]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j54GckKd005079 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 12:38:47 -0400 X-ORBL: [66.72.39.190] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-66-72-39-190.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [66.72.39.190]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with SMTP id j54GcXsk168940 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 12:38:37 -0400 Message-ID: <002301c56923$dc089910$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <+c4x6pFNkaoCFwVy@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 11:38:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} FA: Selling some stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=75OxnRS8ms5Mh8ZE_qmndNH9K9y1USxh1VwE95DvHjLHUpA X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > "Philip de Cadenet" wrote > Http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZphilstheboss > > Good luck should you decide to bid. I don't recall seeing "no reserve". How much are you hoping to get (for each and/or both)? -Jim- From kya1260@lycos.com Sat Jun 04 13:10:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37513 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2005 20:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2005 20:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2005 20:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 1E49A1800127 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:10:37 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 4 Jun 2005 20:10:36 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E2339CA078; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:10:36 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; A1.17; B2.12; Q2.03) Received: from [69.111.56.108] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 12:10:36 -0800 X-Mailer: mail.lycos.com webmail To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 12:10:36 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050604201036.E2339CA078@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: AP article: WCBS-FM becomes "Jack"; and Australia radio target demos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=Jo9x1WsCRxBF-B_37rTTIbd3eE_wAG-7RSsMaGZm-bWqty6a2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ In the article below, industry pundit Tom Taylor's line about how=20 "youth must be served," with the tag, "If you look at a lot of=20 media, older Americans aren't important unless you're selling=20 Craftmatic beds," certainly strikes a nerve - but he's right... Yet, haven't surveys in the last several years pointed to the=20 notion that A M / F M radio will be more-listened to by the=20 OLDER demographic than the younger?? Even in Australia, that's becoming true: < http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/05/17/1084783450636.html > --jay P.S. - Rumor is K F R C-F M may be in line for a format change... if true, too bad Bonneville beat them to the "Jack" format with "The Max, 95.7 F M"...plus, K F R C-F M's Infinity is getting K E A R-F M 106.9 shortly... ------------- Oldies Are a Thing of Past at Top Station=20 By LARRY McSHANE, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 26 minutes ago (aprox 11:00 a.m. PDT) It's the day the music died. W C B S-F M, the top oldies station=20 in the nation for more than three decades, stunned its legion=20 of listeners by abruptly switching formats this weekend. Goodbye, Buddy Holly and the Beach Boys. Hello, Duran Duran and Jet. "I'm sure this move angered and bewildered its listeners," said Tom Taylor, editor of the trade publication Inside Radio. "A lot of people punched in W C B S-F M, heard Pink's `Get The Party Started,' and said `Something's wrong with my radio.'" The station had switched to an oldies format in 1972, initially as a bastion for the doo-wop sounds of the '50s. Although the playlist changed over the years, W C B S-F M always remained the outpost for classic Top 40 radio in the nation's largest radio market. It was also the home to many of New York's legendary Top 40 DJs, including "Cousin Brucie" Morrow, Harry Harrison, Dan Ingram and Norm N. Nite. Radio formats came and went =97 disco, punk, hip-hop, talk, sports talk =97 but W C B S-F M remained unchanged, a warm and welcoming presence at 101.1 on the F M dial. The station's new format is called "Jack," an eclectic mix of hit music from the '70s through the present. The station's owner, Infinity Broadcasting, made the same format shift Friday at its Chicago oldies station, W J M K-F M, where classic Top 40 had aired for the past 21 years. "We did a lot of market research and found a hole in the market that wasn't being served by any other station," said Chad Brown, W C B S-F M vice president and general manager. There are currently about a dozen stations nationally using the Jack format. "Youth must be served," Taylor said about the changes. "If you look at a lot of media, older Americans aren't important unless you're selling Craftmatic beds." At 5 p.m. Friday, just as Frank Sinatra's "Summer Wind" faded out, W C B S listeners heard a voice announce: "Why don't we play what we want? There's a whole world of songs out there." The first song played on the new 'C B S-FM: "Fight for Your Right" by the Beastie Boys. Until that moment, there were no indications of any imminent change at the station. Earlier in the day, morning show host Mickey Dolenz =97 yes, the former Monkees drummer =97 celebrated his 100th show with the station by hosting a live broadcast from B.B. King's Blues Club just off Times Square. In the winter 2005 Arbitron ratings, W C B S-F M was ranked eighth among the city's stations =97 a strong showing, but apparently not strong enough. ----- Original Message ----- From: ccuff@.... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1 For The WOR Suggestion Box Was: CBS-FM dumps=20 Oldies; AM takes its place Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 05:52:41 -0400 > > C B S 101.1 was long overdue for this - After all, when you have a=20 > 40-song playlist, the station becomes unbearable. It got so bad,=20 > I stopped listening to them 3 years ago. Decades on X M is so=20 > much better, I M O. I agree that N Y C has all the equipment in=20 > place to bring about an A M resurgence, and I would welcome it. W=20 > B B R is the worst waste of air space, and would be great to see=20 > it come back as WNEW. B T W - If anyone is counting Radio Ditzy=20 > stations, I have my choice of FOUR R.D.'s I can get here. > What a freaking waste. Back to X M - You can get a free Roady-2 if=20 > you buy any other X M radio from now till July 2. You only have=20 > to pay 3 months programming, which you would anyway. --Chris --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2005 20:15:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2005 20:15:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:15:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42A16408.6050208@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 986 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.201.201 From: "redledge78" Subject: {AMSF} Re: First Class / General License X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59652447; y=xsn0n0wybwqlB2pNMDsYiwenkmy6LFR0rNhpXWbO2pO-JIotrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: redledge78 Do you know if your license is a lifetime license? I had my First updated to a General Radiotelephone license in 1985 and it says it's good for the lifetime of the user. It's a b**ch that all you have to do these days is send in a fee and a form but getting it is still an achievement. You're right, the Second Class was harder than the First. Right after I got the Second, I was sent an ad from the people who made the book I studied in the first place and they were selling the math formulas used for the First. It came in handy. The radar endorsement was just icing on the cake, but if I ever work for NASA it'll be useful. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > When I took My First FCC exam the 3rd class radiotelephone I also > passed and got the radar Endorsement. Never had any use for it. > I found the second class exam harder than the First class exam.. then > Deregulation. studied my a$$ off to pass the exams. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jun 04 18:06:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11960 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2005 01:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2005 01:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 01:06:53 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:06:53 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.201 by BAY101-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 01:06:53 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <8709a5e7db3f4347bc0fee163eb3eaec.ccuff@in4web.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 21:06:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2005 01:06:53.0414 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC582060:01C5696A] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1 For The WOR Suggestion Box Was: CBS-FM dumps Oldies; AM takes its place X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=IiZ-u0tfHyMxd4JWIpXepKOQRgH1L1IzMrtmonK22tSsUCaEKkEE4j5xXSK_RA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 ccuff@in4web.com wrote: >Back to XM- You can get a free Roady2 if you buy any other XM radio from now till July 2. I have noticed a glitch in Dish Network. If you buy a Dish 500 system and never subscribe or activate the smart card, it will still pick up all of the Muzak and Sirius music channels for FREE! I have noticed this on over a dozen new receivers at work. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Jun 04 19:06:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26035 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2005 02:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2005 02:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 02:06:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2005 00:25:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2005 00:25:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 00:25:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1259 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.110.128.104 From: "pianoplayer88key" Subject: IBOC on KDIS.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104; y=fkzSqGTTQDWGx0hT2USik0lTitDITFWC7q8QYg_lqmMoMQDxF7vGlAQGZw X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Jun 2005 02:06:42 -0000 IBOC has been heard on KDIS in the last couple days, thanks to my SRF-42 and RQ-SW20. :( HOWEVER.... I noticed that it doesn't seem like the audio bandwidth is very restricted. Does anyone know if by any chance they are running in 8kHz analog mode? And, where's the nighttime stereo? If a disney station was going to go IBOC daytime and stereo nighttime, I would prefer that it be KMIK in Tempe, AZ. They have a blowtorch nighttime signal to where I live. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > From my secret source: > > I actually got a call later today from our Chief Engineer with some > additional info. Looks like we're switching to IBOC/HD during the day, > but at night we'll be stereo. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 05 03:13:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@YAHOOGROUPS.COM Received: (qmail 99299 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2005 10:13:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2005 10:13:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp826.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.171.13) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 10:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.126.220.137 with login) by smtp826.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 10:12:57 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c569b7$6ff3afa0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 03:14:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.171.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Subject: buying mc13028 chips X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=_HKO7Dpiq0o7KYMsRrFe-uY-Z0sMVOdukUajltbBZgralE3XJU25r6WvXqgrnzDeN7xKhdwI X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I found a site that still sales MC13028 chips. The site is called www.4starelectronics.com I think its perty cool that you can still buy them. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 05 03:31:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85208 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2005 10:31:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2005 10:31:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 10:31:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2005 10:31:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2005 10:31:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 10:31:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c569b7$6ff3afa0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 341 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.244.239 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: buying mc13028 chips X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=4kKEIK2KCRL01pHVcAfoJ1SG1FfP9KtdMvhnXEX-ZieNYJGD X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hi Gang I found a site that still sales MC13028 chips. The site is called www.4starelectronics.com I think its perty cool that you can still buy them. Jim Smith [me] The site does also list the National Semiconductor LM1981 multimode AMS chip. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 05 03:46:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18284 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2005 10:46:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2005 10:46:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 10:46:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2005 10:45:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2005 10:45:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 10:45:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c569b7$6ff3afa0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 175 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.244.239 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: buying mc13028 chips X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=dYzB-9GUi_OU1Ihw2Vurao_EzH-9js3yGtMSbcg7Dv6-n_wD X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Also, they have the Sony chips for multimode- CX857 and CX20177. I think a few of us looking for AMS chips are going to have a field day with 4 Star.... :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 05 03:57:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81136 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2005 10:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2005 10:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 10:57:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2005 10:57:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2005 10:57:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2005 10:57:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 10:57:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c569b7$6ff3afa0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 489 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.126.220.137 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: buying mc13028 chips X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=MYW1H4KIoxUphh1W1K__OUzqNQDfcZNq7Ic4TEIUhZMbmc0P7xU_nDCyw-wWPBThJE4g-m9L X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hi Gang I found a site that still sales MC13028 chips. The site is called www.4starelectronics.com I think its perty cool that you can still buy them. Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Hi What did not know was that thay responed to my e mail thay told me that the buy minnum was $300 werth. I was thinking holy **** how meny chips can you get for that!!!! Jim Smith From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Jun 05 09:29:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16150 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2005 16:29:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2005 16:29:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 16:29:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2005 16:29:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2005 16:29:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:28:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 562 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.245.201.220 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: IBOC on KDIS.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=foY-zK-Qp5hqASG66QBCCUbTK-eehsCjgCEqq99La1KXvoc X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > IBOC has been heard on KDIS in the last couple days, thanks to my > SRF-42 and RQ-SW20. :( > > HOWEVER.... > > I noticed that it doesn't seem like the audio bandwidth is very > restricted. Does anyone know if by any chance they are running in > 8kHz analog mode? Hmmm . . . confirmed on both points. Sound quality is not nearly as bad as the other weenies. But the bees are still there, ruining everything. Guess I can ditch the Superradio III and TX-11a now. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Jun 05 12:36:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30244 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2005 19:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2005 19:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 19:36:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2005 19:36:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2005 19:36:34 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64743 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2005 09:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2005 09:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 08:59:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2005 08:59:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2005 08:59:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2005 08:59:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 08:59:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1281 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.110.128.104 From: "pianoplayer88key" Subject: Re: IBOC on KDIS.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104; y=yk6RMuPO4JxmyLPeEnZlFrtv9f_CH85TJYp1dFxFa-QCHC95xTV04-SVKg X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Jun 2005 19:36:33 -0000 I recorded about an hour of KDIS earlier this evening (about 1/2 hour during daytime IBOC operation and 1/2 hour after sunset switchoff), and opened it in an audio editor. They seem to be running an 8kHz analog audio bandwidth or something like that. However, as someone said in a previous post, they're supposed to be stereo at night. I have yet to detect the separation after IBOC shutoff, though. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > IBOC has been heard on KDIS in the last couple days, thanks to my > SRF-42 and RQ-SW20. :( > > HOWEVER.... > > I noticed that it doesn't seem like the audio bandwidth is very > restricted. Does anyone know if by any chance they are running in > 8kHz analog mode? > And, where's the nighttime stereo? > > If a disney station was going to go IBOC daytime and stereo nighttime, > I would prefer that it be KMIK in Tempe, AZ. They have a blowtorch > nighttime signal to where I live. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > From my secret source: > > > > I actually got a call later today from our Chief Engineer with some > > additional info. Looks like we're switching to IBOC/HD during the day, > > but at night we'll be stereo. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jun 05 14:08:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91311 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2005 21:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2005 21:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 21:08:07 -0000 X-Node: 4 Received: from stodd (modem0211-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.211]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j55L84hL000613 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:08:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001d01c56a12$fb8ffb80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:09:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: First Class / General License X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=UegMz2GDynILEfdPnbwQkb-fmDgo2QGcfu5zM0LNvAI8566-ZTyk X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Got mine in 79. Already had the first phone by the end of high school (76.) Haven't really needed it either, but it was nice to have some microwave theory. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" > Thanks guys (and gal). The only other person I knew who had the > Ship Radar Endorsement was Pat Mason at KSTN in 1980. I got mine > the same year. I guess you only need it if you join the Navy.... From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jun 05 14:15:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34982 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2005 21:15:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2005 21:15:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 21:15:05 -0000 X-Node: 4 Received: from stodd (modem0211-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.211]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j55LF2hL006451 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:15:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002901c56a13$f4eca700$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:17:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: First Class / General License X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=SybdzZmbzLr1frActPsxSfSChzw7x_cfLkQhf7dJwzrsE94IK7jQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I must have taken a different exam than the ones you guys had- took two tries to get my first phone. There was more than one version of each test. If your first was FCC test designated CHY, you'll know what I mean about hard. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "redledge78" > It's a b**ch that all you have to do these days is send in a fee and > a form but getting it is still an achievement. You're right, the > Second Class was harder than the First. > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jun 05 14:22:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73873 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2005 21:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2005 21:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 21:22:06 -0000 X-Node: 2 Received: from stodd (modem0211-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.211]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j55LLtRT004542 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:21:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004101c56a14$ed816ea0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:24:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: buying mc13028 chips X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=HzGHipLaOwL_2PYMvu9_s8iT2gIxQyPObDFlTEC0OAN1CHbEN9QY X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude This is where a bunch of us get together and pool an order. I remember having to do this a few years ago to get a spare CRT for a Marantz 10B FM tuner from some outfit in GB. Their prices on the tube were pretty good but it took me and two other people pooling an order to meet the minimum. Does this place also have the 13122 (did I get that # right?) decoder with noise blanking? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim smith" > > Hi What did not know was that thay responed to my e mail thay told me > that the buy minnum was $300 werth. I was thinking holy **** how meny > chips can you get for that!!!! Jim Smith From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jun 05 14:35:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2046 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2005 21:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2005 21:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 21:35:53 -0000 X-Node: 3 Received: from stodd (modem0211-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.211]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j55LZovx028495 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:35:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004901c56a16$dcde2d20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <+c4x6pFNkaoCFwVy@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:38:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} FA: Selling some stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=q3nAkJW9QX0RisWT8Zh5F7-PR5pRtwlvEcfEW4c1alC5jObgYJ_F X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Is the reason you're selling the AM stereo gear because you've given up on the idea of building/buying/resurrecting another station in the US? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip de Cadenet" > Http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZphilstheboss > > Good luck should you decide to bid. From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sun Jun 05 16:03:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51427 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2005 23:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2005 23:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.172) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 23:03:41 -0000 Received: from user-1547.lns4-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk ([84.67.134.11] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Df49d-0002z3-1m for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 00:03:41 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 00:03:33 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1117976307.288.21688.m16@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1117976307.288.21688.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-Originating-IP: 195.92.195.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: Selling some stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669; y=rzS285GJoTDmyhcUknsnOPsr2uEqXx6Mc1LTK9pEgB89Q__7OF9zZGgi X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Hi Jim, That's because I did not impose a reserve. I start all my auctions at =A31.00 or $1.00 and keep my fingers crossed. Sometimes I win, sometimes I don't. The only reason I'm selling one pair of AMS equipment is because I=20 purchased a two year old BE TX on ePay complete with the stereo card. The fool placed it in the wrong category and I was the only bidder. His loss, my gain:-)) --=20 Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 05 18:35:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51697 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2005 01:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2005 01:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2005 01:35:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 01:35:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 01:35:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 01:35:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004101c56a14$ed816ea0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 970 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.244.239 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: buying mc13028 chips X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=HIaTLygAsbNQDyIpAlPs7_GjGDrmvsj-7vl2cD47xYuYH3sp X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > This is where a bunch of us get together and pool an order. I remember > having to do this a few years ago to get a spare CRT for a Marantz 10B FM > tuner from some outfit in GB. Their prices on the tube were pretty good but > it took me and two other people pooling an order to meet the minimum. Does > this place also have the 13122 (did I get that # right?) decoder with noise > blanking? I think they got all of them.... o.O What we need is a complete list of known AMS chips and chipsets (ie: the Sony pair), but not every variation of each chip... They had about a dozen variations of the MC13028 alone, so..... I'd be willing to pay my share for a few of the chips- The Sony set, the NS LM1981.... and what was that one multimode with mode indicator?? And yes, maybe 2 or 3 Motorolas... (I can do solderless breadboarding and sockets, but that's about it.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Jun 05 23:08:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27033 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2005 06:08:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2005 06:08:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.60) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2005 06:08:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n31.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 06:08:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 06:08:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 06:08:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 492 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 151.202.116.233 From: "wgliradio" Subject: Re: CBS-FM dumps Oldies; AM takes its place X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=6yz9VzZuLAIHY9wyjeil8k9XMDffbRYqWGqqSY0L-51xUh9K X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > and today they now have a GE Superadio III > in their kitchen tuned to WWTR, playing the Oldies music with hi-fi > wideband AM audio, which I think actually sounds _better_ than > CBS-FM's audio! But nothing takes the place of the knowledge and talent the CBS-FM jocks had and the history that the station has. There's a certain sound to an oldies station and corporate America no longer knows how to do it. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Jun 06 05:12:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12890 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2005 12:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2005 12:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2005 12:12:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 12:12:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 12:12:36 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28841 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2005 04:34:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2005 04:34:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2005 04:34:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 04:34:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 04:34:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 04:34:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 937 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.181.196.176 From: "pianoplayer88key" Subject: Re: IBOC on KDIS.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104; y=HGhhDRaz2PF8SIDOFr5bqxaGVaKKHeSTF2oFh0PF7Kyxrv_LwU38YiXH1w X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: amstereoguy2001 via web; 06 Jun 2005 12:12:36 -0000 Not quite so fast, narkspud! I didn't hear the fried eggs this Sunday early afternoon, so later during the last 1/2 hour of the Top 30 I got suspicious and got out my SRF-42. Looks like the good ole Moto is at it again, at least temporarily (but hopefully permanently). --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > IBOC has been heard on KDIS in the last couple days, thanks to my > > SRF-42 and RQ-SW20. :( > > > > HOWEVER.... > > > > I noticed that it doesn't seem like the audio bandwidth is very > > restricted. Does anyone know if by any chance they are running in > > 8kHz analog mode? > > > Hmmm . . . confirmed on both points. Sound quality is not nearly as bad as the other > weenies. But the bees are still there, ruining everything. Guess I can ditch the Superradio > III and TX-11a now. From radio603@malmo2.net Mon Jun 06 05:56:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76075 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2005 12:56:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2005 12:56:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.bredband2.net) (82.209.166.11) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2005 12:56:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 25978 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2005 12:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO roy) ([82.209.145.147]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 6 Jun 2005 12:55:40 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c56a97$96e197e0$9391d152@bredband2.com> To: Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:59:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Originating-IP: 82.209.166.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: SHOUTcast - HOME X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801; y=QPBGjlgiFp5nfrA24P64_Gw_1CEVsGLjhPE7N9WMjfo79Do X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is a better link to radio 603 =C5land, finland. call +358 (0)18 199 40 studio. E-mail mikespenser@hotmail.com=20 +358 (0) 18 445 23 00. Fax +358 (0) 445 23 01 http://www.shoutcast.com/directory/?s=3Dpirate+radio+603 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Mon Jun 06 07:11:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89760 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2005 14:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2005 14:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.174) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2005 14:11:09 -0000 Received: from user-5125.l6.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk ([84.64.52.5] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1DfIJo-0005ce-V4 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:11:09 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:09:44 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-Originating-IP: 195.92.195.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: Selling more stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669; y=n-NmZQiuB3IuBD4HNxwBq1I3s4JcluY2-mhPSalSSoDVDJj64TKi4PJA X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Scott, >Http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZphilstheboss No, I'm certainly not giving up the idea of putting a new or resurrecting an old station on-air in AMS but it probably won't be in the US now as my wife & I have decided to leave the UK but not in your direction. I have collected way too much gear so as something better or newer comes along I can afford to let go of the old. If you count two AM TX's both with stereo cards plus two complete exciter/mod monitor combo's it ain't bad for someone without a license:-) I am currently looking at several other license possibilities. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jun 06 08:12:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33673 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2005 15:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2005 15:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52401.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.109) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2005 15:12:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 57317 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jun 2005 15:12:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20050606151254.57315.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.5.219.153] by web52401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 08:12:54 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 08:12:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Selling more stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=kanmljYTQHCOYBYF5Yx93Kj_GidFMFcgE0IfUywV-xM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Scott, > > >Http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZphilstheboss > > No, I'm certainly not giving up the idea of putting > a new or > resurrecting an old station on-air in AMS but it > probably won't be in > the US now as my wife & I have decided to leave the > UK but not in your > direction. So, where ARE you going? Powell powell@pcmessages.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw From rbrucecarter@yahoo.com Mon Jun 06 13:21:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rbrucecarter@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68460 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2005 20:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2005 20:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2005 20:21:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 20:21:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 20:21:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 20:21:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 20:21:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 356 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.94.94.106 From: "Bruce Carter" Subject: Re: IBOC on KDIS.... CONFIRMED X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116052011; y=CYck2a9tZQxXBmdZnrNKjPHH-aTtnH0T701w_T-Stl8xkijPYxwz X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Radio World lists KDIS as IBOC, not on the air yet (page 15). Several more Radio Disney outlets are listed as converting. Boston is listed as already being on the air. IBOC just might solve your problems with 1130. Assuming that only one sideband is necessary for reception of digital - you might get clear reception - just at a reduced bitrate. From kya1260@lycos.com Mon Jun 06 15:36:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64516 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2005 22:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2005 22:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2005 22:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 067D41800127 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:36:52 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 6 Jun 2005 22:36:51 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EB6BE86B10; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:36:51 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; A1.17; B2.12; Q2.03) Received: from [69.111.166.47] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:36:51 -0800 X-Mailer: mail.lycos.com webmail To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:36:51 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050606223651.EB6BE86B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Cousin Brucie interview on WOR 710 KC, Mon 6/5/05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=rr6dR6tlBDFoYxx3euWkBkDqv1hVE3tsRDt54HNko8tRN052pw X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ At this website, you can get the entire 15 minute interview=20 of Bruce Morrow from this morning on WOR 710 via .wma (which i tried to send to the forum, but - at 4=20 MB - was too big to send) Go to this website and click on the link at the very bottom of the page: < http://www.mindspring.com/~mrimpau > Thanks to Marty for this audio file... --jay --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n31.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 00:57:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 00:57:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 00:57:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 654 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 220.235.117.121 From: "baansy" Subject: Re: buying mc13028 chips X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728; y=qBjM6YP_Ee0j6lkOWQO82feICvlmH0eyngj_c-IMNQ8m X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang I found a site that still sales MC13028 chips. The site > is called www.4starelectronics.com I think its perty cool that you > can still buy them. Jim Smith > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Hi What did not know was that thay responed to my e mail thay told me > that the buy minnum was $300 werth. I was thinking holy **** how meny > chips can you get for that!!!! Jim Smith Here's another site www.icadeal.com/focusparts/MC1-33sum.htm From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Jun 06 20:44:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9358 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2005 03:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2005 03:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) (207.115.63.98) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2005 03:44:46 -0000 Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-66-72-39-190.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [66.72.39.190]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with SMTP id j573ihPA218718 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 23:44:43 -0400 Message-ID: <00a901c56b13$40940400$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <002901c56a13$f4eca700$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:44:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 207.115.63.98 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: First Class / General License X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=_Bo3WsdhEdk18FRCQW-i_072RgCAmng368aDB0qqri79rXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Scott Todd wrote: > I must have taken a different exam than the ones you guys had- took two > tries to get my first phone. There was more than one version of each > test. > If your first was FCC test designated CHY, you'll know what I mean about > hard. I took the exam for the broadcast endorsement twice. I failed it when I took the exam for a third ticket w/b'cast endorsement in Chicago in 1970. It was only after failing that, that I actually cracked a book to find out what I missed and why. I was still in High School so I had to wait 6 months to try again... second time I aced it. Of course I was still nearly 3 year away from getting my first job in radio. It's kind of ironic that I got my third ticket without a b'cast endorsement, and had to take the element 9 exam twice, yet after taking the classes in Tampa, I passed the exam for my first ticket on the first try. . Tom Ray was right... My scenario is the exact reason the FCC bailed out on this system... Not to mention that as solid state/ more reliable equipment came into being, the need for an in-house chief engineer/chief operator slipped away. -Jim- From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 06 21:19:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39079 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2005 04:19:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2005 04:19:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2005 04:19:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 57163 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jun 2005 04:19:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20050607041952.57161.qmail@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.162.222.143] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 21:19:52 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:19:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "John P." Subject: Where's our Cousin? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=QdEpZK32HyDfF6OnblmuNzsk5UkH7uuVLxf3Z2icPDKmuw4lRJ-0FQc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kev wrote: "...New York City's 101.1 WCBS-FM has dumped its long-running Oldies format..." So what's happened to "Cousin Brucie" Morrow? Wasn't he on WCBS-FM ? __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 06 23:37:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76614 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2005 06:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2005 06:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2005 06:37:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 06:37:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 06:37:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 06:37:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050607041952.57161.qmail@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 462 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.87.2 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Where's our Cousin? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=0yUDKG6ff0aRVeOYLq0YAwbKqqYReeT1Bho_Sc7bUo9woqbMYg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > So what's happened to "Cousin Brucie" Morrow? Wasn't he on > WCBS-FM ? Yes, and I believe right now he may still be on the Infinity payroll, even if he isn't on the air anymore. Also, reportedly Infinity is planning to set up a continuation of the "CBS-FM" Oldies format on the IBOC second audio channel of "Jack FM"; they're already streaming it on the web -- but it's not the CBS-FM everyone knows and loves; it's just a music stream, with no DJs. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 06 23:56:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99705 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2005 06:56:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2005 06:56:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.59) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2005 06:56:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n30.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 06:55:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 06:55:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 06:55:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 681 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.244.60 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Where's our Cousin? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=5Skjc6K58nepIJUH0bxdCjw32MNQ3p0A8WmIQkk8OtyiivTN X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > So what's happened to "Cousin Brucie" Morrow? Wasn't he on > > WCBS-FM ? > > Yes, and I believe right now he may still be on the Infinity payroll, > even if he isn't on the air anymore. Also, reportedly Infinity is > planning to set up a continuation of the "CBS-FM" Oldies format on > the IBOC second audio channel of "Jack FM"; they're already streaming > it on the web -- but it's not the CBS-FM everyone knows and loves; > it's just a music stream, with no DJs. Which means nobody's going to listen to it. Real smart move, much like Viacom's other smart moves this year! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jun 07 00:33:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92151 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2005 07:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2005 07:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2005 07:33:48 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.187.136]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.1.361.0) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 03:39:23 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c56b33$5d3fe5e0$88bb0642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 03:34:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 64.72.67.12 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Where's our Cousin? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=pmMDDJxUGXhvipCA3oq2yi8wLN5fZjPPmvcXIruyQWlHB_GRaJwEaoLa X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WCBS AM 880 interviewed Cousin Bruce right after the switch. He was only given 1 hour to get his stuff together and get out. He was very obviously hurt and disgusted with radio by the tone of his voice. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Tue Jun 07 09:25:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31378 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2005 16:25:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2005 16:25:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.18) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2005 16:25:50 -0000 Received: from user-1924.l6.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk ([84.66.103.132] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Dfgti-0007n7-2q for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:25:50 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 17:25:56 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-Originating-IP: 195.92.193.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: Selling more stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669; y=3E1Fqz91WkS1vem-ZjRcraM7YbTzK56j38i-ZA0Ikb9y0MjPMnVz4S7B X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Hello Powell asked: Where are we moving too? Well, I made a statement in my previous post without thinking. I'd forgot that last year we entered the US Green Card lottery via the US Embassy here in London, UK. Results later this year. In case you were unaware,, your government allows 50K people in legally each year via this lottery. However, this 'excludes' British citizens unless you are from Northern Ireland. I got around this as my wife is Ukrainian and former soviets 'are' allowed the take part in this game:-) We therefore applied in her name which is acceptable in the eyes of the US immigration service. I've always wondered if the Cubans or Mexicans have a better deal these days? So, the US is still in with a chance of my presence. Aside from the US, either Italy or somewhere in the Mediterranean on condition AM Stereo is allowed. I know you all know of: http://www.radiostudiox.it/ Received an e-mail yesterday to say he's interested in my AMS gear up for sale. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Jun 07 18:15:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35936 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2005 01:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2005 01:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2005 01:15:35 -0000 X-Node: 1 Received: from stodd (modem0114-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.114]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j581FVsR012755 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:15:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002d01c56bc7$e4959780$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <001301c56b33$5d3fe5e0$88bb0642@4bmx301> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:17:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Where's our Cousin? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=5RrmPzbbfBXajoUtq1rA9YmeNpsyf1MmTidp83LyGblfs6tzbUkx X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Smarter heads may prevail and pick up the legendary format and at least some of the jocks. We're about to lose our nostalgia station in MSP, but I don't think for one moment this market will be without another one coming along before too long. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 2:34 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Where's our Cousin? > WCBS AM 880 interviewed Cousin Bruce right after the switch. He was only given 1 hour to get his stuff together and get out. He was very obviously hurt and disgusted with radio by the tone of his voice. > Chris > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Jun 07 18:23:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43792 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2005 01:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2005 01:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2005 01:23:46 -0000 X-Node: 4 Received: from stodd (modem0114-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.114]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j581NhgN010858 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:23:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003301c56bc9$09c919e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:25:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: buying mc13028 chips X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=YPQwr2s1DfIsT9mHkRx6mQXZoY35JTGSULTocnsy2IzyqSUk92qz X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Interesting. Didn't see that they had a minimum order either. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "baansy" > > Hi What did not know was that thay responed to my e mail thay told > me > > that the buy minnum was $300 werth. I was thinking holy **** how > meny > > chips can you get for that!!!! Jim Smith > > Here's another site www.icadeal.com/focusparts/MC1-33sum.htm > From cainbryan@yahoo.com Tue Jun 07 19:08:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cainbryan@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86107 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2005 02:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2005 02:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2005 02:08:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2005 02:07:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2005 02:07:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2005 02:07:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 02:07:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1376 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.255.253.48 From: "cainbryan" Subject: Re: Selling more stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185949349; y=9Ti7BDU2A6ea1MhjBJ8JEKJc4dNz2U2CZHc1e88HY5Fn02WV X-Yahoo-Profile: cainbryan RE: The Mexicans REALLY have a better deal.They just wander across in droves! Buy a poncho, fly to Mexico and learn to say "Ola , Quetal"! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Hello Powell asked: > > Where are we moving too? > > Well, I made a statement in my previous post without thinking. > > I'd forgot that last year we entered the US Green Card lottery via the > US Embassy here in London, UK. Results later this year. > > In case you were unaware,, your government allows 50K people in legally > each year via this lottery. However, this 'excludes' British citizens > unless you are from Northern Ireland. I got around this as my wife is > Ukrainian and former soviets 'are' allowed the take part in this game:-) > > We therefore applied in her name which is acceptable in the eyes of the > US immigration service. > > I've always wondered if the Cubans or Mexicans have a better deal these > days? > > So, the US is still in with a chance of my presence. Aside from the US, > either Italy or somewhere in the Mediterranean on condition AM Stereo is > allowed. > > I know you all know of: http://www.radiostudiox.it/ > > Received an e-mail yesterday to say he's interested in my AMS gear up > for sale. > -- > Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW > Transmitters 'R' Us > http://www.transmittersrus.com From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 08 01:56:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16506 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2005 08:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2005 08:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2005 08:56:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2005 08:55:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2005 08:55:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 08:55:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003301c56bc9$09c919e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 554 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.126.223.223 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: buying mc13028 chips X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=aBeem_LJ2VoGRB_-jO5oiN31mINE1ZyUFjpLA8iG6_hOcNAik1r6vRMUHSmveUMRQmljfja1 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Interesting. Didn't see that they had a minimum order either. > > ST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "baansy" > > > > Hi What did not know was that thay responed to my e mail thay told > > me > > > that the buy minnum was $300 werth. I was thinking holy **** how > > meny > > > chips can you get for that!!!! Jim Smith > > > > Here's another site www.icadeal.com/focusparts/MC1-33sum.htm > > Hi Gang You have to ask with a e mail. Jim Smith From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu Jun 09 12:09:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60872 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2005 19:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2005 19:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.51.21) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2005 19:09:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:08:58 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:08:57 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:08:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2005 19:08:58.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[B01BE490:01C56D26] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.51.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: WSBT 960 South Bend, IN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851; y=Wsv_AYGbPa5kPmnftKEVlVNqk2ZpsQ5nPV5dyLj2tOrL_Sofker_ X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane I was in the South Bend (IN) are yesterday and noticed WSBT 960 was mono. I just sent them an email to see if this is temporary (hopefully so and they return to stereo soon). Also, WOWO 1190 in Fort Wayne (IN) is IBOC. They sound terrible and at approximately 35 miles away, 1180, 1200, and 1210 are trashed. A real shame for a station that once played oldies in stereo. WOWO was once my favorite station. Paul Crane Jackson, MI _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Jun 09 13:13:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31202 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2005 20:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2005 20:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2005 20:13:42 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.47] (pool-138-89-142-108.mad.east.verizon.net [138.89.142.108]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j59KDNOt031706 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 16:13:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <42A8A1AF.7010208@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:08:15 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: new WTTM studios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=kci1ycSE74Yhzql1hPusQGNXX3wYx1PM3BOInVjjBqnjOA X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 For anyone interested As Of Feb 2005 I started to build out a new facilitys for WTTM we moved from a 1600sq office space with 2 studios 1 on-air and 1 production,with 5 offices. to 2800 Sqft office space now with 4 studios 2 on-air , 1 production,and 1 Voicetracking and 10 offices.. I did not get to take Photos from the beginning of the Project. But took some during the Building of the second on-air studio. I felt with 50+ Djs It would Be easier to alternate studios. Here are some Photos....I even Built the studio Desks From scratch. http://www.angelfire.com/nj4/wttm/new.html I will Be adding More Photos as work Progresses.. I still have to Soundproof the studio walls. The hardest part of the project was installing 10'of Fiberglass insulation in the Entire 2800sq ft of ceiling to Isolate the Roof AC units and the rooms. I then spent 2 months Pulling Cables, telco,Networking and Electric. I had Zero Help did it all alone. Its still a work In Progress. talk about Overworked and Under paid Neal From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 09 13:45:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75007 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2005 20:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2005 20:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2005 20:45:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2005 20:45:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2005 20:45:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2005 20:45:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 20:45:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42A8A1AF.7010208@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 114 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.245.57 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: new WTTM studios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=QZOny7ub_M4Wti0La0Hdo52bHNa-135WI08kbNQIgTB9Err3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > Looks nice, Neal! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Jun 09 16:55:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92951 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2005 23:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2005 23:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao06.cox.net) (68.230.241.33) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2005 23:55:17 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050609235517.KLIK19494.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 19:55:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 16:55:15 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Cousin Brucie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=etLuXMzyhqSC_rPoLJvNYKQiykmT44beOwiG83hYcmwdybNk4FxQHIaa9GCN X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner LEGENDARY NYC RADIO PERSONALITY "COUSIN BRUCIE" WILL JOIN SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO Bruce Morrow will host popular hit music of the '50s, '60s and '70s NEW YORK - June 9, 2005 - SIRIUS Satellite Radio announced today that legendary New York radio personality Bruce Morrow, aka "Cousin Brucie," will join SIRIUS as an on-air personality. The Brooklyn-born Morrow has been an anchor of the New York airwaves for more than 40 years, and has remained one of its most popular personalities. He has been a trusted on-air host of popular hit music on New York radio stations WINS, WABC-AM and, until June 3, at WCBS-FM. Morrow has been inducted into the National Association of Broadcasters' Radio Hall of Fame, the Broadcasting & Cable Hall of Fame, the Radio Hall of Fame (Chicago) and was honored for his on-air work by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum. "Bruce is a beloved icon in radio, and we are excited to bring him to SIRIUS, where he will be able to play the great music he loves and talk to a national audience," said SIRIUS President of Entertainment and Sports Scott Greenstein. "We are proud that from his many options, he chose to join SIRIUS." Bruce Morrow said, "This is one of the most exciting events of my career. I feel like I'm riding a rocket ship - or should I say 'satellite'? I now have the opportunity with SIRIUS to reach the national audience I've always wanted to communicate with. Here comes the music!" "Cousin Brucie" will debut on SIRIUS during the July 4th weekend with a special broadcast from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum in Cleveland, Ohio. Following that event, he will host three regularly scheduled programs each week and numerous daily features from SIRIUS' New York City national broadcast studios, exclusively on SIRIUS. From oldphones@webtv.net Fri Jun 10 05:19:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53968 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2005 12:19:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2005 12:19:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.139) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2005 12:19:14 -0000 Received: from storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 70742DA8D; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA12348; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:16:02 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAt3XTNrnIw4xbDQAQgNNWbFCvQYwCFH6l+I+Gsh2lC+1S8lB20oY9p2Gr Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:16:02 -0500 To: abdx@abdx.org, ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <24844-42A98482-2552@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: Cell # Change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=E56cXSQMIIXDEaPPexOybTC6uI_gNbeISAeRj0mORXaRXW-fhQ X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This is Bill Snyder My cellphone number changed NEW # is: (402) 618-6089. The old number goes just to voicemail only. IF you have questions on auto radios, (ford in particular); Dxing and ((( AM Stereo)) ; and discussions - repair of old style telephone(s) >> (AT&T, Western Electric, GTE/ Automatic Electric, IT&T) please do give me a call. Thanks Bill Snyder - Omaha, NE Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Fri Jun 10 08:15:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76841 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2005 15:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2005 15:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2005 15:15:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2005 15:14:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2005 15:14:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:14:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42A8A1AF.7010208@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1429 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.114.164.108 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: new WTTM studios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=RJUsUwYj4AU-0iL_kZqrDu33WHC79ysHsvSeBP4V7G8j X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq It's a lot of work but it's always nice to move in to a new facility and do things from scratch the way you want. I alaways hated dealing with someone else's mistakes that you can't unwind unless you do something major.... like take something off the air. Good luck!! Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > > For anyone interested > As Of Feb 2005 I started to build out a new facilitys for WTTM > we moved from a 1600sq office space with 2 studios 1 on-air and 1 > production,with 5 offices. > to 2800 Sqft office space now with 4 studios 2 on-air , 1 > production,and 1 Voicetracking > and 10 offices.. I did not get to take Photos from the beginning of the > Project. But took some during the Building of the second on-air studio. > I felt with 50+ Djs It would Be easier to alternate studios. > Here are some Photos....I even Built the studio Desks From scratch. > http://www.angelfire.com/nj4/wttm/new.html > I will Be adding More Photos as work Progresses.. I still have to > Soundproof the studio walls. > The hardest part of the project was installing 10'of Fiberglass > insulation in the Entire 2800sq ft of ceiling to Isolate the Roof AC > units and the rooms. I then spent 2 months Pulling Cables, > telco,Networking and Electric. I had Zero Help did it all alone. > Its still a work In Progress. talk about Overworked and Under paid > Neal From groucho@skyweb.net Fri Jun 10 12:02:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52897 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2005 19:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2005 19:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2005 19:02:30 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.47] (pool-138-89-142-108.mad.east.verizon.net [138.89.142.108]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j5AJ2gLC040796 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:02:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <42A9E3BC.50500@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:02:20 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: new WTTM studios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=SHRfTF_HOHSOSHXrHPysnvdlQEvYMj_3woI_IGz_cjvfQw X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hi Jerry and all in the group I have added more Photos to the site.. > > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Jun 10 17:10:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32712 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2005 00:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2005 00:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.78) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2005 00:10:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:10:49 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.201 by BAY101-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 00:10:49 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:37:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2005 00:10:49.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[05984F00:01C56E1A] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSBT 960 South Bend, IN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=z2ouRRgFVE8nwUDer9hbsThh5U4GTr2ffNkIfAzVKdlm89VFeg0MNBznD8HbJg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Crane wrote: > Also, WOWO 1190 in Fort Wayne (IN) is IBOC. They sound terrible and at approximately 35 miles away, 1180, 1200, and 1210 are trashed. A real shame for a station that once played oldies in stereo. WOWO was once my favorite station. I think we ALL miss 1190 WOWO. It is an absolute shame that such a legendary station would be cut back, then have the audio trashed. For many years, WOWO was the absolute BEST sounding station, AM or FM, that could be heard at my home in South Carolina. Remember back in the days of Group W Westinghouse when they had "George" the old Westinghouse HG50 Tube Beast on the air? That thing was LOUD! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri Jun 10 21:05:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51271 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2005 04:05:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2005 04:05:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2005 04:05:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2005 04:05:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2005 04:05:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 04:05:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42A8A1AF.7010208@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 100 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 151.205.103.157 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: new WTTM studios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=BCJnI9Od9zSFlXxGKC3VYMpYEkRRpf74X47RrGOM9i5s7Via X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio You picked a great board. That's the same console I use at WSHR for my Tuesday Night Oldies show. From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Jun 11 06:28:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4694 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2005 13:28:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2005 13:28:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2005 13:28:25 -0000 Received: from [4.247.209.25] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dh61o-0000qs-Lc for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 09:28:01 -0400 Message-ID: <410-22005661113287125@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.21.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 09:28:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc84aa0e5d1c0e2215b847b094b60e7860350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSBT 960 South Bend, IN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 When I was stationed at Fort Gordon, GA and Fort Stewart, GA many years ago, WOWO came in every night, and as Possum Hunter said, it sounded great. It's sad to see what has happened to America's great radio stations. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Possum Hunter > To: > Date: 6/10/2005 8:10:49 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSBT 960 South Bend, IN > > Paul Crane wrote: > > Also, WOWO 1190 in Fort Wayne (IN) is IBOC. They sound terrible and at approximately 35 miles away, 1180, 1200, and 1210 are trashed. A real shame for a station that once played oldies in stereo. WOWO was once my favorite station. > > I think we ALL miss 1190 WOWO. It is an absolute shame that such a legendary station would be cut back, then have the audio trashed. For many years, WOWO was the absolute BEST sounding station, AM or FM, that could be heard at my home in South Carolina. > > Remember back in the days of Group W Westinghouse when they had "George" the old Westinghouse HG50 Tube Beast on the air? That thing was LOUD! > > Kevin in Tampa From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 11 12:14:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32335 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2005 19:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2005 19:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2005 19:14:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2005 19:14:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2005 19:14:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2005 19:14:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 19:14:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <410-22005661113287125@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1032 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.245.57 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: WSBT 960 South Bend, IN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=qVNCBMwGtWxDIlR0XPQuFws-pW0j9-MvH9K3wzUr_nbguCvv X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > When I was stationed at Fort Gordon, GA and Fort Stewart, GA many years > ago, WOWO came in every night, and as Possum Hunter said, it sounded great. > It's sad to see what has happened to America's great radio stations. The Industry has gutted radio, eliminating its most important aspect all for the sake of money: Service and responsibility to the community in which the station serves. Only a handful of stations have committed themselves to community service and responsibility. This new "Jack" format is the opposite, epitomising the broadcasting industry's desire for total automation, which neither serves nor is responsible to the community to wich it's been licensed to. This is why radios get turned off. There's nobody home. .........I hate marketing consultants with such a passion! (And I'm sure many in WCBS-FM's listening area think so, too...if they knew the whole thing's being driven by marketing consultation!) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Jun 11 16:01:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91470 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2005 23:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2005 23:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2005 23:01:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2005 23:01:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2005 23:01:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:01:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 153 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.44.4 From: "Dave" Subject: RadioScape Announces World's First DRM Module X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=jQBTkE8mdQyEnE1FxpfEjpSUw0UEZzDtsQ54ECJjlCr1PfdTbA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050531/315613.html?.v=1 Also a very interesting audio link from DW at http://www.dw- world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1604391,00.html From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Jun 11 16:03:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79576 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2005 23:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2005 23:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2005 23:03:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2005 23:03:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2005 23:02:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2005 23:02:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:02:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 309 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.44.4 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: RadioScape Announces World's First DRM Module X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=yOgGZIntu3X_dx9IXsLIbOZvtLuUP3_0iZQGWIKuC26K31TIsA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050531/315613.html?.v=1 > > Also a very interesting audio link from DW at http://www.dw- > world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1604391,00.html try that again :- http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1604391,00.html From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sat Jun 11 20:11:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24471 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2005 03:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2005 03:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2005 03:11:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2005 03:11:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2005 03:11:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 03:11:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2215 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.164.131.144 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: WSBT 960 South Bend, IN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=cGncwqhOhvzXCkdHdktlYM62Lep8IGSMS_d1cBRmf7mgqxfNiDXcVA X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > When I was stationed at Fort Gordon, GA and Fort Stewart, GA many > years > > ago, WOWO came in every night, and as Possum Hunter said, it > sounded great. > > It's sad to see what has happened to America's great radio stations. > > The Industry has gutted radio, eliminating its most important aspect > all for the sake of money: Service and responsibility to the > community in which the station serves. Only a handful of stations > have committed themselves to community service and responsibility. > > This new "Jack" format is the opposite, epitomising the broadcasting > industry's desire for total automation, which neither serves nor is > responsible to the community to wich it's been licensed to. > > This is why radios get turned off. There's nobody home. > > .........I hate marketing consultants with such a passion! > > (And I'm sure many in WCBS-FM's listening area think so, too...if > they knew the whole thing's being driven by marketing consultation!) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I got a chuckle out of Radio World's NAB apologist Skip Rizzi and his whine about iPod FM transmitters causing interference whenever a driver who's using one is near another driver who is not. He indicated that it's an issue that will have to be addressed. Never mind that such an occurance is extremely rare. I can just picture the NAB using a "planes falling out of the sky" dire case scenario when addressing this issue with the FCC. "iPod FM transmitters are causing drivers to run amok at intersections. America's highways and streets are not safe until these evil devices are eliminated. Quick find me a Congressman whose campaign I can contribute to and who will introduce a bill to stop the sale and use of these devices." Sounds far fetched. But we're dealing with an industry that is so desperate, who will do anything from, degrading their audio quality to buying into the format du jour be it Jack, Jill, Bob, Carol, Ted and Alice and will use any measure to prevent the public from taking back the airwaves they supposed own. db From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 11 20:25:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83423 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2005 03:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2005 03:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2005 03:25:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2005 03:25:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2005 03:25:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 03:25:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 309 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.240.58 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: WSBT 960 South Bend, IN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=4OT6Vd43wvHHsEWy67dU8u8kOEHGxhCPbyD2unrg_-VY9Otz X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: Oh, make no mistake about it- NAB has been dead set against Part 15 for YEARS, not just LPAM/LPFM.... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Proud to be a Part 15 mousie.) From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sat Jun 11 22:38:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6973 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2005 05:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2005 05:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2005 05:38:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2005 05:38:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2005 05:38:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 05:38:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 897 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.164.131.144 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: WSBT 960 South Bend, IN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=jZkIoHkBluYc1Xh6ilJ56JaRtG6OLCaiXtpsjXlM2aGyTsP9ejNIQA X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > Oh, make no mistake about it- NAB has been dead set against Part 15 for > YEARS, not just LPAM/LPFM.... > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (Proud to be a Part 15 mousie.) True, and yet, look how pathetic corporate radio has become. Probably the most notorious recent example is a Clear Channel station posing as a pirate radio station. To me that speaks volumes about the desperation radio programmers are feeling right now. It also shows that, for the most part, unlicensed broadcasters have a much better feel for creating radio that can draw an audience than any high-priced marketing team can do. At least one Clear Channel station believes that. db From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Jun 12 07:14:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46749 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2005 14:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2005 14:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2005 14:14:20 -0000 Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.218]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j5CEE5Ce004248 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:14:06 -0400 X-ORBL: [68.72.58.26] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-72-58-26.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.72.58.26]) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with SMTP id j5CEEFIJ419040 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:14:19 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01c56f59$0662d500$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:14:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSBT 960 South Bend, IN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=hR3uwytn6SDvTlKJgTdzoAf_M9-wq430Ag6s2l0M9sLYpr0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Probably the most notorious recent example is a Clear Channel station posing as a pirate radio station. To me that speaks volumes about the desperation radio programmers are feeling right now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This doesn't ring a bell for me. When and where did this happen? How did it shake down over time? Sounds like something from Central Florida, where pirates abound. From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sun Jun 12 11:10:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1614 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2005 18:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2005 18:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2005 18:10:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2005 18:10:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2005 18:10:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2005 18:10:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 18:10:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001a01c56f59$0662d500$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 623 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.164.131.144 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WSBT 960 South Bend, IN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=ziStOb8CzZpla0tSdCc7wY4lDytp3dbdtims0w8m0jwPn32kWqdsOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > Probably the most notorious recent example is a Clear Channel station posing > as a pirate > radio station. To me that speaks volumes about the desperation radio > programmers are > feeling right now. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > This doesn't ring a bell for me. When and where did this happen? How did > it shake down over time? > Sounds like something from Central Florida, where pirates abound. Here is a link to the article. The station is in Akron, Ohio. http://blog.stayfreemagazine.org/2005/05/radio_free_clea.html db From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Jun 12 12:26:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76806 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2005 19:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2005 19:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2005 19:26:11 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 12:26:01 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.201 by BAY101-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 19:26:01 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 15:25:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2005 19:26:01.0223 (UTC) FILETIME=[91317170:01C56F84] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSBT 960 South Bend, IN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=UObrWMDcuyDgvFVMv_J35DxikFOyctaaxLX-dCBVScCuvgbIigVg3dgv-B_n2g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jim Burgan" wrote: > Probably the most notorious recent example is a Clear Channel station posing as a pirate radio station. And they didn't even do that right! The best fake pirate station was done by Scott Shannon on KQLZ-FM http://www.kqlz.com/ in Los Angeles. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Jun 14 06:27:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29255 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2005 13:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2005 13:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2005 13:27:18 -0000 Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.218]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j5EDQvCe014081 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:26:57 -0400 X-ORBL: [68.72.58.26] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-72-58-26.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.72.58.26]) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with SMTP id j5EDR7IJ369216 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:27:11 -0400 Message-ID: <002e01c570e4$c61d4ab0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:27:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSBT 960 South Bend, IN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=-G4LAAdtJu2DcwioYQPi3DhHsOaFmPasMsqL_iv5KvjrkvU X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Probably the most notorious recent example is a Clear Channel station posing as a pirate radio station. And they didn't even do that right! The best fake pirate station was done by Scott Shannon on KQLZ-FM http://www.kqlz.com/ in Los Angeles. You're right. I used to sit and listen to it off the satellite in '90 or '91(before SEDAT and/or Starguide when everything was in the clear) and it was fun to listen to. From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Tue Jun 14 09:38:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53257 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2005 16:38:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2005 16:38:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.206) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2005 16:38:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 5847 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2005 16:38:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20050614163812.5845.qmail@web42205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.247.222.98] by web42205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:38:12 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:38:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Bob Welch Subject: Still locally-owned.. not run by computer... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=-fyTnmvZ9gASFMKfB3W72XIhaH06MMCYCicky4vdmM2y9YoXc6bP X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there, There is a breath of fresh air in Vermont. I've been working with the Radio Vermont Group for the past 3 years. The flagship of the group WDEV has been owned by the same local family since 1931. It's never really had a format to speak of, but the letters and phone calls all of us get tell us why we're there running the place.. in person.. on a Sunday night. The station signs off at midnight daily. We're not small either.. 5kw by day 1kw at night. Only bone I have to pick is that my stereo light no longer glows... At this point, I don't have much to yell about. http://www.wdevradio.com Bob Welch WDEV-Waterbury, VT --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio603@malmo2.net Wed Jun 15 10:43:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71932 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2005 17:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2005 17:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.bredband2.net) (82.209.166.11) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2005 17:43:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 22006 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2005 17:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO roy) ([82.209.145.147]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Jun 2005 17:42:33 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c571d2$44b04240$9391d152@bredband2.com> To: "Mike Spenser" Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:47:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy Sandgren" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Originating-IP: 82.209.166.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Roy Sandgren" Subject: radionord603am.cjb X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801; y=bkjKCPsGTtp3b4L1G5A885Y6pODU5qvKt8hLM_D5XmdqpVE X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Updated today Uppdaterad idag http://radionord603am.cjb.net/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 11:30:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43097 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2005 18:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2005 18:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.58) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2005 18:30:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2005 18:30:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2005 18:30:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:30:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 126 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.243.49 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=1ioYLjKqppo69c4RBFpVDYSsBBwJXHw8GgE5QdeOUZeXATK5 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Mmmm, I'm hungry for something AMS-related....or some cheese... *checks pantry* Nope, no cheese, either. :P Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kya1260@lycos.com Wed Jun 15 15:56:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11118 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2005 22:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2005 22:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2005 22:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 619221800135 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:56:05 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 15 Jun 2005 22:56:05 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 56F7AE5BC7; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:56:05 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [69.111.166.47] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:56:05 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:56:05 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050615225605.56F7AE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS? - AM 1200 KYAA format change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=G9-lMD_ORFbRjuYfIarpNAiG3-KXm5Y0LOABY3rb4lfw3bsbsA X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ So am I, Amy... :o| Oh, while we're waiting for AMS talk, 25,000-watt AM 1200 KYAA=20 (Monterey Bay town of Soquel), which should have been AM Stereo but wasn't, changed format this morning at 12:01... KYAA (billing themselves KYA Oldies) changed from '60s/'70s Oldies (mainly live in-house during the drive-time and ABC/SMN Oldies at other times) to Indian music/talk... No, not Native American Indian, but Calcutta/Bombay Indian... A five-year L.M.A. (Local Marketing Agreement) worth=20 aprox $32,000 a month to the pockets of the KYAA owner... And the beat goes on? --jay *************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} AMS? Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:30:34 -0000 >=20 > Mmmm, I'm hungry for something AMS-related....or some cheese... *checks > pantry* Nope, no cheese, either. :P >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Jun 15 16:00:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67641 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2005 23:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2005 23:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2005 23:00:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:00:14 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.207 by BAY106-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:00:13 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:00:13 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2005 23:00:14.0228 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD6B9D40:01C571FD] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.77 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Still locally-owned.. not run by computer... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Hi Bob, You are lucky to work and have such a radio group in your area. Imagine the same ownership for over 70 years, local programming etc. Good luck you, the family that owns WDEV and may they continue to run WDEV = for many more years to come. Of course, it would be nice, to have the stereo light come back on, but in = spite of that WDEV sounds like radio is supposed to be. I've never been to Vermont, but upon hearing about the station and seeing t= he cool weather forecast on the WDEV web-site; I'm almost ready to take a f= light to Vermont! Donn 27.761 latitude north st petersburg,fl -----Original Message----- From: Bob Welch Sent: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:38:12 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Still locally-owned.. not run by computer... Hi there, =20 There is a breath of fresh air in Vermont. I've been working with the Radi= o Vermont Group for the past 3 years. The flagship of the group WDEV has b= een owned by the same local family since 1931. It's never really had a for= mat to speak of, but the letters and phone calls all of us get tell us why = we're there running the place.. in person.. on a Sunday night. The station= signs off at midnight daily. We're not small either.. 5kw by day 1kw at n= ight. Only bone I have to pick is that my stereo light no longer glows...= At this point, I don't have much to yell about. =20 http://www.wdevradio.com =20 Bob Welch WDEV-Waterbury, VT =09=09 --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Wed Jun 15 16:20:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35624 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2005 23:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2005 23:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.185) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2005 23:19:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:19:58 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.173.80.229 by BAY22-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:19:58 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:19:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2005 23:19:58.0917 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF8CCF50:01C57200] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.16.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Couple interesting additions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=rJ2o64wMT0JEl5_kDZjCK_wQxRQ2Q5NN9v4vE4weittO X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Looks like there are some new uploads to ftp.amstereoradio.com some part 15 am transmitter manuals and schematics ------------------------------------------------- Robert C. http://www.freecycle.org ------------------------------------------------ I am, always looking for Trains, HO, O, S, OO, G, N Scale, Lionel, and other brands and related paraphernalia(buildings, scenery, track, etc) From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Jun 15 18:36:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78031 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2005 01:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2005 01:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2005 01:36:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:36:03 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.201 by BAY101-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 01:36:02 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20050615225605.56F7AE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:36:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2005 01:36:03.0066 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1C315A0:01C57213] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS? - AM 1200 KYAA format change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=AgrO28tAi1BcAbc-dVz1UBE1Rc111NoSE3awnBxiz5_Sw_p0BvbX771Vul10eg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jay Arnold wrote: > KYAA (billing themselves KYA Oldies) changed from '60s/'70s Oldies (mainly live in-house during the drive-time and ABC/SMN Oldies at other times) to Indian music/talk... Kewl! I wonder if they will sound anything like WTTM? Perhaps you should burn some of the airchecks of WTTM to a CD as a way to talk them into going C-QUAM Stereo. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 20:44:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38770 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2005 03:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2005 03:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2005 03:44:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2005 03:44:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2005 03:44:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 03:44:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050615225605.56F7AE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 641 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.243.49 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS? - AM 1200 KYAA format change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=h9BQCRcj9P2yaNzB3jN-gmHaCxYwUZVxnWEztVqoMdyfjkiU X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > KYAA (billing themselves KYA Oldies) changed from '60s/'70s > Oldies (mainly live in-house during the drive-time > and ABC/SMN Oldies at other times) to Indian music/talk... I know there's a sizable Indian community from SF to San Jose (second or third largest in the US, I think), but I don't know of 1200 gets into the northern penninsula as well. (I woul;d think many already are listening to the SCA Indian stations like Radio Punjab, which is broadcast all over California on SCA-- I like them, whjen I'm in an SCA- equipped region. :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 20:49:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91215 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2005 03:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2005 03:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2005 03:49:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2005 03:49:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2005 03:49:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 03:49:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 758 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.243.49 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS? - AM 1200 KYAA format change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=1fEBaHiENT8VTF4ivTftdhsZou17ct3nblTzJnRl8nZdxOVP X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Jay Arnold wrote: > > KYAA (billing themselves KYA Oldies) changed from '60s/'70s Oldies (mainly > live in-house during the drive-time and ABC/SMN Oldies at other times) to > Indian music/talk... > > Kewl! I wonder if they will sound anything like WTTM? Perhaps you should > burn some of the airchecks of WTTM to a CD as a way to talk them into going > C-QUAM Stereo. I'd almost kill for some AMS Bollywood & bhangra, right now. :) If there only were some unscoped TTM airchecks... Most of the TTM airchecks I have are non-Indian, such as Christmas music and such, I think. H'lo...? Neal...? Wanna import TTM to the southeast and west coasts? :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 21:19:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99784 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2005 04:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2005 04:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2005 04:19:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2005 04:18:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2005 04:18:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:18:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 261 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.243.49 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Couple interesting additions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=iYYCXjPKWIa6kwHRYbf4KC16bbHwBHq_ABgaT79sNdJ5ZkB- X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > Looks like there are some new uploads to ftp.amstereoradio.com some part 15 > am transmitter manuals and schematics FileZilla works wonders....... :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kya1260@lycos.com Wed Jun 15 21:35:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66662 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2005 04:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2005 04:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2005 04:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 59CC8180020F for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:35:06 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 16 Jun 2005 04:35:06 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 38A06CA07F; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:35:06 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [69.111.166.47] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:35:06 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:35:06 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050616043506.38A06CA07F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS? - AM 1200 KYAA format change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=7NEGLtY3vr70RgSJuMvcK4DCU2X0-YIWvzv3W8YV1h2PCKNWtw X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ From: "Amy Mousie" > I know there's a sizable Indian community from SF to San Jose (second > or third largest in the US, I think), but I don't know of 1200 gets > into the northern penninsula as well. (I woul;d think many already are > listening to the SCA Indian stations like Radio Punjab, which is > broadcast all over California on SCA-- I like them, whjen I'm in an SCA- > equipped region. :) ) > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Despite its 25,000-watt daytime signal, KYAA has an weak signal once you=20 get north of San Jose (partly due to 1190 KDYA, Vallejo). Its daytime signal heads southbound, mainly.=20 The nighttime 5,000-watts is better to the north, though in Napa it tends=20 to come and go, as was the case when I taped the last "live" two hours of the DJ's oldies show... As I've witnessed at 3 different San Jose homes, daytime in-the-house=20 reception of KYAA is not very good at all, unless you have a SuperRadio... Sounds like Peninsula listeners are better off staying on the SCAs... BTW, my understanding is the group buying into the KYAA L.M.A. is=20 called "Q-2", based in Sunnyvale, I believe... No plans for KYAA owner Joe Rosa to go AM stereo; all three of his AMs (540 in Salinas/Carmel Valley, 1240 in Monterey included) are mono,=20 though 540 and 1240 USED to be C-QUAM stereo pre-1992... --jay --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 21:45:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2738 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2005 04:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2005 04:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2005 04:45:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n32.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2005 04:45:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2005 04:45:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:45:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050616043506.38A06CA07F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 43 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.205.14 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS? - AM 1200 KYAA format change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=DRXrVbIpgyQKH9cm0ZdlhP0tpaYVcr01WX48zdxzq8s8YIvarfKAbJ6R X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Do you know if their FM will stay oldies? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 21:47:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29516 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2005 04:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2005 04:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2005 04:47:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 88977 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2005 04:47:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20050616044738.88975.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.162.222.143] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:47:38 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:47:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1118841525.1732.45095.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John P." Subject: WDEV AM Stereo550 ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=HLLrBYdJV9YAnpSftdgMG4cczxiPsX8r8O0gn9EdoMT_GYpLAwE5HAE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Bob Welch wrote: "...WDEV has been owned by the same local family since 1931. It's never really had a format to speak of, but the letters and phone calls all of us get tell us why we're there running the place.. in person.. on a Sunday night..." Great to hear that there are still radio stations that "serve the public interest" ! A full-service format is the only format that will keep listeners from moving to satellite or other formats, so congrats. I hope you can convince them to use CQuam as WJR sounds great with stereo promos and commercial spots, in addition to their one weekend music show. Wishing you all the best! __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From kya1260@lycos.com Thu Jun 16 10:47:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99794 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2005 17:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2005 17:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2005 17:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 91DF51800354 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:47:43 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 16 Jun 2005 17:47:43 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6018E3384B; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:47:43 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [69.111.166.47] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:47:43 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:47:43 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050616174743.6018E3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS? - AM 1200 KYAA format change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=7mh5R2jrzStpyqx3xqC7F966VgCy9oM7ek7t1hiyPzj0LNI_vA X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Regards KYAA's FM, Tom asks > Do you know if their FM will stay oldies? As I recall, the deal fell through for Joe Rosa to purchase the FM, because a consultant told Rosa the cost to buy the FM was "too much"; the original owner has since sold the station to a group owners with Spanish stations on the West Coast, can't 'member the name... So Rosa has just the 3 AMs, for now... The only oldies station left in the Monterey Bay Area=20 is KOCN (K-OCEAN), which has changed in scope the last few=20 years, I'm told. (More '70s/'80s, they say)=20 --jay --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From kya1260@lycos.com Thu Jun 16 10:49:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61121 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2005 17:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2005 17:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2005 17:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 8548418002B2 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:49:16 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 16 Jun 2005 17:49:14 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 351333384C; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:49:09 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [69.111.166.47] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:49:09 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:49:09 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050616174909.351333384C@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WDEV AM Stereo 550 ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=GTicZGEtWJRTkS9w314VAX4e220A2KxPEflEcL8fZoTt4nXjOg X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ ---- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > Great to hear that there are still radio stations that "serve the public > interest" ! A full-service format is the only format that will keep list= eners > from moving to satellite or other formats, so congrats. I hope you can > convince them to use CQuam as WJR sounds great with stereo promos and > commercial spots, in addition to their one weekend music show. >=20 > Wishing you all the best! Hear! Hear! Nice WDEV website, also... --jay --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Jun 16 16:18:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29696 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2005 23:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2005 23:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2005 23:18:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2005 17:45:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2005 17:45:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:45:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050616043506.38A06CA07F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1902 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.181.196.176 From: "pianoplayer88key" Subject: Re: AMS? - AM 1200 KYAA format change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104; y=MzPJ8OEyxB8LAyQhRmBIClDEVKxuAlyo9lm-aj0ciMbxkQGL1mDC2TCV-g X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Jun 2005 23:18:30 -0000 When I was in Tulare last December, I listened to that 1200 station a little bit. It was weak, but fairly listenable. I actually enjoyed the format. :) So when I go to Tulare this July 4th, if I tune to 1200 should I expect a different format, or will oldies still be on? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > From: "Amy Mousie" > > I know there's a sizable Indian community from SF to San Jose (second > > or third largest in the US, I think), but I don't know of 1200 gets > > into the northern penninsula as well. (I woul;d think many already are > > listening to the SCA Indian stations like Radio Punjab, which is > > broadcast all over California on SCA-- I like them, whjen I'm in an SCA- > > equipped region. :) ) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > Despite its 25,000-watt daytime signal, KYAA has an weak signal once you > get north of San Jose (partly due to 1190 KDYA, Vallejo). > Its daytime signal heads southbound, mainly. > The nighttime 5,000-watts is better to the north, though in Napa it tends > to come and go, as was the case when I taped the last "live" two hours > of the DJ's oldies show... > > As I've witnessed at 3 different San Jose homes, daytime in-the-house > reception of KYAA is not very good at all, unless you have a SuperRadio... > > Sounds like Peninsula listeners are better off staying on the SCAs... > > BTW, my understanding is the group buying into the KYAA L.M.A. is > called "Q-2", based in Sunnyvale, I believe... > > No plans for KYAA owner Joe Rosa to go AM stereo; all three of his AMs > (540 in Salinas/Carmel Valley, 1240 in Monterey included) are mono, > though 540 and 1240 USED to be C-QUAM stereo pre-1992... > --jay > > -- > _______________________________________________ > NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. > http://datingsearch.lycos.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 16 18:24:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66922 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2005 01:24:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2005 01:24:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2005 01:24:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2005 01:24:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2005 01:24:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2005 01:24:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 01:24:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050616044738.88975.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 692 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.89.4 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: WDEV AM Stereo550 ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=lytx-BNsJ-fy8Uo7B5QTd7j66bqNrdK3KL1z3d5b2TLIWh9mIg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I hope you can convince them to use CQuam as WJR sounds great with > stereo promos and commercial spots, in addition to their one > weekend music show. There are still some stations which promote their AM Stereo on the air. I was driving through Connecticut last weekend and not only is 800 WLAD in Danbury, CT an *excellent* full-service news/talk/music station, their hourly ID also begins with the phrase "24 Hours a Day in Stereo"! Unfortunately the car I was in did not have an AM Stereo equipped radio, but even in mono they sounded fantastic. WLAD reminded me of what 600 WICC (also AM Stereo) in Bridgeport, CT used to be like until they went all-talk a few years ago. From kya1260@lycos.com Thu Jun 16 22:09:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9791 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2005 02:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2005 02:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2005 02:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 9653B18001C2 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 02:02:15 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 17 Jun 2005 02:02:15 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 86DFA3384B; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 02:02:15 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [69.111.166.47] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:02:15 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:02:15 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050617020215.86DFA3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMS? - AM 1200 KYAA format change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=2NPvxcZkIcsmD59cURLZ0X3TKfRo-tDA0YuPv2GvzZ7x9xtc5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ From what I've learned, pianoplayer, the oldies format=20 at KYAA is history...:o( Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! --jay ----- Original Message ----- From: pianoplayer88key To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AMS? - AM 1200 KYAA format change Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:45:29 -0000 >=20 > When I was in Tulare last December, I listened to that 1200 station a > little bit. It was weak, but fairly listenable. I actually enjoyed > the format. :) > So when I go to Tulare this July 4th, if I tune to 1200 should I > expect a different format, or will oldies still be on? >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > > From: "Amy Mousie" > > > I know there's a sizable Indian community from SF to San Jose (second > > > or third largest in the US, I think), but I don't know of 1200 gets > > > into the northern penninsula as well. (I woul;d think many already ar= e > > > listening to the SCA Indian stations like Radio Punjab, which is > > > broadcast all over California on SCA-- I like them, whjen I'm in > an SCA- > > > equipped region. :) ) > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > Despite its 25,000-watt daytime signal, KYAA has an weak signal once > you > > get north of San Jose (partly due to 1190 KDYA, Vallejo). > > Its daytime signal heads southbound, mainly. The nighttime=20 > > 5,000-watts is better to the north, though in Napa it > tends > > to come and go, as was the case when I taped the last "live" two hours > > of the DJ's oldies show... > > > > As I've witnessed at 3 different San Jose homes, daytime=20 > > in-the-house reception of KYAA is not very good at all, unless=20 > > you have a > SuperRadio... > > > > Sounds like Peninsula listeners are better off staying on the SCAs... > > > > BTW, my understanding is the group buying into the KYAA L.M.A. is=20 > > called "Q-2", based in Sunnyvale, I believe... > > > > No plans for KYAA owner Joe Rosa to go AM stereo; all three of his AMs > > (540 in Salinas/Carmel Valley, 1240 in Monterey included) are=20 > > mono, though 540 and 1240 USED to be C-QUAM stereo pre-1992... > > --jay > > > > -- _______________________________________________ > > NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating > sites at once. > > http://datingsearch.lycos.com What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 16 22:19:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24171 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2005 05:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2005 05:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2005 05:19:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2005 05:18:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2005 05:18:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 05:18:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050617020215.86DFA3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 281 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.120.215.78 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AMS? - AM 1200 KYAA format change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=L2OL5hJTUuZ58aNbU2IgIBge1KNeUH3Z4Bjc3JYeUckxMXsJ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > From what I've learned, pianoplayer, the oldies format > at KYAA is history...:o( > Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! > --jay But it isn't, at AM Stereo KVON, right, Jay???? ;) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Jun 17 14:43:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51686 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2005 21:43:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2005 21:43:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2005 21:43:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:43:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.204 by BAY106-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:43:55 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:43:55 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2005 21:43:55.0806 (UTC) FILETIME=[A94B5BE0:01C57385] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.73 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: 77 WABC NOW ON XM 6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=5rwyID3xqhC51Z-4inIZd1caDA0UMNJGT4ZdxZ4yR1OYAwBfpE-2Xr5K-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Now airing music radio 77 WABC on XM 6=20 From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Jun 17 16:11:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81695 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2005 23:11:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2005 23:11:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2005 23:11:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2005 16:25:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2005 16:25:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:24:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1083 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.181.196.176 From: "pianoplayer88key" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AMS? - AM 1200 KYAA format change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104; y=152W9VKOOUpyKYwEl7JYKa1oxndHQFm-hs_K71B5ifevu8vLufSULHe02Q X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 17 Jun 2005 23:11:37 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > > From what I've learned, pianoplayer, the oldies format > > at KYAA is history...:o( > > Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! > > --jay > > But it isn't, at AM Stereo KVON, right, Jay???? ;) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ :( Well at least I have a better chance of getting KCTC at night here in El Cajon. One thing I noticed though, is that KCTC is MUCH easier to hear at night in Pasadena than it is here in El Cajon, even though there isn't THAT much of a difference in distance. Could it be the local 500 watt directional (with a null toward me making it nearly impossible to get in the daytime without an external antenna) 1320 we have in Oceanside that's making KCTC hard to hear? I can't usually get a good stereo signal with my SRF-42, even with the Select-A-Tenna. :( I think there's just too much co-channel interference, and the local 1310 from Tijuana isn't very powerful or very close so it's not really a factor. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 17 18:56:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47284 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2005 01:56:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2005 01:56:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2005 01:56:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2005 01:56:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2005 01:56:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 01:56:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 862 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.16.118 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AMS? - AM 1200 KYAA format change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=3sPA1y9_luxnqSZSIIIUWwUT-TOGMBmwS1G0G1R8W3CSiDHy X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > Well at least I have a better chance of getting KCTC at night here in > El Cajon. > > One thing I noticed though, is that KCTC is MUCH easier to hear at > night in Pasadena than it is here in El Cajon, even though there isn't > THAT much of a difference in distance. Could it be the local 500 watt > directional (with a null toward me making it nearly impossible to get > in the daytime without an external antenna) 1320 we have in Oceanside > that's making KCTC hard to hear? I can't usually get a good stereo > signal with my SRF-42, even with the Select-A-Tenna. :( I think > there's just too much co-channel interference, and the local 1310 from > Tijuana isn't very powerful or very close so it's not really a factor. Short answer: Yes. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From baansy@yahoo.com Sat Jun 18 08:07:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15216 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2005 15:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2005 15:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2005 15:07:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2005 15:07:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2005 15:07:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2005 15:07:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:07:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 705 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 220.235.117.161 From: "baansy" Subject: Samsung yepp' YP-T6 MP3 player X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728; y=R6Uj9S8eJNZWP0SxD8VapQ7YIjfHiVvPG0RdF4LGn52L X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy I've finally bought an MP3. These are on special at Tandys and Dicksmith Electronics for $169 AU at the moment. One of the good things about this one is that you can plug it in the earphone socket of any audio device (Radio, tape, CD) and press record! Of course you can also download files from your computer. I don't know much about mp3 players at the moment but I can tell you that it supports Ogg vorbis, MP3,WMA,WAV,ASF File playback. When I bought this MP3 the guy behind the counter said that he sold about 30 in 2 days. This model holds 1GB. I could not believe how small this thing was. It only measures 22 by 55 by 23mm and it runs on 1 AAA size battery which lasts upto 20 hours From zebra@strangeanimals.net Sat Jun 18 09:04:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49004 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2005 16:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2005 16:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2005 16:04:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2005 16:04:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2005 16:04:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2005 16:04:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 16:04:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 337 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.169.164.47 From: "amradiozebra" Subject: 1510 AM in SF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593; y=VzDfpgaLB80dLSeXkBZnsEpZ-Evhu5_3BYRN8yXQuY8SDB8bDzwM3JU X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra Well it has dropped the oldies doowop in favor of a "semi-jack" Adult MOR, stepping into KABL's old shoes and the sound is great... the compressor is way down. It's too good to last, so I'm just gonna live from day to day here. :) Lotsa Frank Sinatra and sound that is delightful, even on this "muffle box" I'm hearing it on now. From kya1260@lycos.com Sat Jun 18 11:22:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29662 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2005 18:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2005 18:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2005 18:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 989D9180013C for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:21:57 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 18 Jun 2005 18:21:57 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8B0BC86B10; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:21:57 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [71.128.94.31] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:21:57 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:21:57 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050618182157.8B0BC86B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1510 AM in SF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=Wx4rMf07-6r0kdSJHPDPkfY52SSfttgi-ZNOBwUaB50pAII7rQ X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ ----- Original Message ----- From: amradiozebra > Well it has dropped the oldies doowop in favor of a "semi-jack"=20 > Adult MOR, stepping into KABL's old shoes and the sound is=20 > great... the compressor is way down. > It's too good to last, so I'm just gonna live from day to day here. > :) > Lotsa Frank Sinatra and sound that is delightful, even on this=20 > "muffle box" I'm hearing it on now. You are correct, for 1510 is "stunting"; July 1, KPIG-FM in Freedom (Monterey Bay) will simulcast its "alternative country" format on 1510, to become KPIG-AM... Not quite Yee-Haw, yet :o) For KPIG info, see < http://www.kpig.com/info.html > --jay --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Jun 18 19:28:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50051 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2005 02:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2005 02:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2005 02:28:03 -0000 X-Node: 3 Received: from stodd (modem0060-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.60]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j5J2Rhpf010566 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:27:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00db01c57476$e504ff00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:30:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSBT 960 South Bend, IN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=HVsM4hYWNk9xABJDy4J7Bd8zEzfTgycS-kclJybSNUCB-cziFCVC X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I saw the one they had at the old WDGY (now KFAN 1130) and that thing was not only a work of art, but also huge! The HG was a dual 50 with spare tubes which were only a knife-switch throw away from taking over should one of the PA or modulator tubes suffer a catastrophic failure. Would loved to have gotten the whole thing, but that would have been impractical to say the least. I did get to salvage the panels with the big round meters, though. When that site was decomissioned back in 86, they didn't even bother removing the transformers, they were so d*** big. They just drained the PCB oil and buried them. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > I think we ALL miss 1190 WOWO. It is an absolute shame that such a legendary station would be cut back, then have the audio trashed. For many years, WOWO was the absolute BEST sounding station, AM or FM, that could be heard at my home in South Carolina. > > Remember back in the days of Group W Westinghouse when they had "George" the old Westinghouse HG50 Tube Beast on the air? That thing was LOUD! > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Jun 18 19:30:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78060 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2005 02:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2005 02:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2005 02:30:05 -0000 X-Node: 3 Received: from stodd (modem0060-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.60]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j5J2Thpf012303 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:29:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00e901c57477$2d1c8060$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20050614163812.5845.qmail@web42205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:32:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Still locally-owned.. not run by computer... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=o0QFQCLggQAfWFueKRKiQEOwzfNOHwuETU5jd4QvEkgd4DqGMgcu X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Did they have stereo at one time? What's needed to fix it if they were? Bet just a shotgun replacement of the electrolytic caps in the thing will bring it back to life. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Welch" > There is a breath of fresh air in Vermont. I've been working with the Radio Vermont Group for the past 3 years. The flagship of the group WDEV has been owned by the same local family since 1931. It's never really had a format to speak of, but the letters and phone calls all of us get tell us why we're there running the place.. in person.. on a Sunday night. The station signs off at midnight daily. We're not small either.. 5kw by day 1kw at night. Only bone I have to pick is that my stereo light no longer glows... At this point, I don't have much to yell about. > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Jun 18 20:00:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90060 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2005 03:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2005 03:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2005 03:00:47 -0000 X-Node: 2 Received: from stodd (modem0060-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.60]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j5J30QAq020748 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:00:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <010e01c5747b$77924040$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:03:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: a rare find X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=7UCXRMyrjuoxmTTPSGrmptj9E8-VcPD2SC3oyPckErVvyymKu1BY X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been in the process of removing the old RCA 5G transmitter out of what was WOW in Omaha. While there, I noticed a rack of Kahn equipment and asked if I could have it. I was floored when they said I could. I also asked about their Motorola equipment, and they said they wanted to hang onto it for now. That could be a good thing! Even though I'm not crazy about sports radio, their new format is a whole lot more interesting to listen to than most other sports stations. If the folks running 1620 were smart, they'd dump their satellite sports blabber and pick up the K-help format now on 1420 which will be dumped once Salem takes over and flips it to their conservative talk format. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 18 21:24:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87453 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2005 04:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2005 04:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2005 04:23:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2005 04:23:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2005 04:23:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2005 04:23:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 04:23:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <010e01c5747b$77924040$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 69 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.17.187 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: a rare find X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=s0Hr7J0dTTJ0IlYXV2s3lSN6nWQYpSgA5EBd0-fcVSRcLq9Z X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Kahn equipment would be nice to experiment with. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sun Jun 19 18:43:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79933 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2005 01:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2005 01:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2005 01:43:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2005 01:43:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2005 01:43:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:43:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <010e01c5747b$77924040$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 271 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.181.244 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: "Was" WOW? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=MP1wIIMGQD4KFTpOtjOukyvED8ZvDwF5oO22Ebqq1pCUFhuRtLI9J458 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Don't tell me another 3-letter call bit the dust.... I wouldn't dump a 3-letter call for anything. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I've been in the process of removing the old RCA 5G transmitter out of what was WOW in Omaha. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 19 20:36:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57412 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2005 03:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2005 03:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2005 03:36:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2005 03:36:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2005 03:36:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 03:36:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1160 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.89.134 From: "Kevin T." Subject: VW car radio with "AM ST" pin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=tPjQjToSn4p4gK9RVfsd9fA3vQJS8yavI3t8-GoipLnyIgREIw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I recently picked up a Volkswagen OEM "Premium IV" car radio, which was made by Clarion and was used in most 1998-2000 VW models. I'll have to go to a VW dealer to get the security code for it, but for now I opened it up to have a look, and I was pleased to discover that most of the pins on its circuit board are clearly marked. Of interest to us are the pins for the radio tuner module, which is on a seperate vertically mounted circuit board. Here's how the long row of pins are marked: IF CONT NC IN DET OUT S-M ADJ GND3 R OUT L OUT FM +B FM SD SD-ADJ S-METER ST IND NC FM +B FM OSC FM DX/LO VT GND2 FM ANT AM ST SD ADJ AM IF OUT AM DET AM +B SD/TWEET IF COUNT S-METER AM OSC RF MUTE DX/LO GND1 AM ANT Of course, that "AM ST" pin caught my eye. It appears that this radio should be easy to convert to AM Stereo with one of Chris's decoder boards... just as long as its microprocessor logic doesn't force the audio to mono and disable the ST indicator in AM mode, as some do. Here's what this radio looks like... compared to most aftermarket radios today, I really like its clean styling: http://i12.ebayimg.com/04/i/04/51/90/a9_1_b.JPG From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Sun Jun 19 20:58:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58795 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2005 03:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2005 03:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2005 03:58:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2005 03:58:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2005 03:58:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 03:58:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e901c57477$2d1c8060$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 913 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.247.222.101 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Still locally-owned.. not run by computer... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=S4HiPHX6B_KUJ6JYw30TgyGv3vdz0fGQjHNON37VGqVaupoA2cs9 X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Scott, Yes, back in the 80s WDEV AM 550 was broadcasting in C-Quam Stereo. When I shut the transmitter off after the midnight news from AP I hear the tone pick up in the C-Quam enabled air monitor for 550. I believe the GM believes the stereo played havoc with the signal pattern. There is a pattern both day and night. "Platforming" is the term he uses. It would be as simple as flipping a switch to turn it back on, but it wouldn't be true stereo as the stereo mixer was sent to Burlington from Waterbury one Sunday afternoon to allow our 1390 in Burlington to broadcast after a lightning storm k-o'ed what 1390 was using. Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Did they have stereo at one time? What's needed to fix it if they were? > Bet just a shotgun replacement of the electrolytic caps in the thing will > bring it back to life. > > Scott Todd From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 19 22:10:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51470 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2005 05:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2005 05:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2005 05:10:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2005 05:09:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2005 05:09:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2005 05:09:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 05:09:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1311 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.17.187 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Still locally-owned.. not run by computer... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=iXDyvwhpWdxPNiaPNIfPwR2jiNyVpJiTzLFux4E5uUlEV5us X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Welch" wrote: > Scott, > > Yes, back in the 80s WDEV AM 550 was broadcasting in C-Quam Stereo. > When I shut the transmitter off after the midnight news from AP I hear > the tone pick up in the C-Quam enabled air monitor for 550. I believe > the GM believes the stereo played havoc with the signal pattern. > There is a pattern both day and night. "Platforming" is the term he > uses. It would be as simple as flipping a switch to turn it back on, > but it wouldn't be true stereo as the stereo mixer was sent to > Burlington from Waterbury one Sunday afternoon to allow our 1390 in > Burlington to broadcast after a lightning storm k-o'ed what 1390 was > using. C-QUIAM doesn't change the signal pattern or cause platform motion, but other things can affect the signal to produce platform motion- Namely, the beating of skywave vs. groundwave reception. This is still there, even without the stereo, only that you don't notice it as readily without the stereo kicking in. This is AM's answer to multipath. If you have a phased array, you'll notice it, too. Like I said, it has nothing to do with C-QUAM itself, only that it's more noticable in stereo, since phase is part of how C-QUAM is decoded. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Jun 19 23:34:16 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Jun 19 23:47:26 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jun 20 00:13:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56753 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2005 07:13:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2005 07:13:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.246.144.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2005 07:13:36 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.88]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.1.361.0) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 03:19:06 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c57567$996f0bc0$58b10642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 03:13:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 64.246.144.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} VW car radio with "AM ST" pin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=hnuOqFdsi-4chfqMXe7ab3bmLidPd-CM9UdRdGeLQNTTaO8tSbB9zlz1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All of the pre-DSP Pioneer stereos used that tuner also- I was excited at first, but after looking at the tuner module, I discovered the "AM ST" pin went no where- no traces, no parts. After 2001, the Kenwood and Pioneer went to DSP based single chip audio control, so you "could" add AM stereo, but you would have no way to inject the output of the decoder into the audio chain, as the DSP IC had only 1 single AM AF input pin. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 11:36 PM Subject: {AMSF} VW car radio with "AM ST" pin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Mon Jun 20 22:47:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48296 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2005 05:47:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2005 05:47:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au) (150.229.7.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2005 05:47:33 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au (138.194.3.56) by act-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au with SMTP; 21 Jun 2005 15:47:31 +1000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,216,1114956000"; d="scan'208"; a="50589633:sNHT19293588" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:47:31 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:47:31 +1000 Message-ID: <301F0FCB8B8F3542B0F6C31E1EA5F86817F858@exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Clear Channel and 5DN Thread-Index: AcV2JLc9mFZgPq0BR76E6NLRS5NeDw== To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2005 05:47:31.0800 (UTC) FILETIME=[B769ED80:01C57624] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Subject: Clear Channel and 5DN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=uPaLBgpqwMFHEe0ogB-r33_CRrccsm8LHo1WPNmnLiSp How to lose all your ratings in only six months ...=20 Just network a failed station from interstate. Hey it's cheap - pity nobod= y listens anymore.=20 Dec 6.4=20 Feb 3.1=20 Mar 1.6=20 May 1.4 June *=20 From baansy@yahoo.com Tue Jun 21 18:45:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14586 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2005 01:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2005 01:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web50007.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.22) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2005 01:45:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 69117 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jun 2005 01:45:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20050622014516.69115.qmail@web50007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [220.235.116.43] by web50007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:45:16 PDT Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:45:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <301F0FCB8B8F3542B0F6C31E1EA5F86817F858@exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: ANDREW BAANS Subject: Re: {AMSF} Clear Channel and 5DN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728; y=oubrfU5aDU18UHnJiEU2k5gTyAyF-UCB37ZNEI_8N7LS X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I sent MIX 102 3 an email about their broadcasting on 1323 AM. They told me that this is only tempory. It would be interesting as to what they are going to put there instead. Ian.Davidson@csiro.au wrote: How to lose all your ratings in only six months ... Just network a failed station from interstate. Hey it's cheap - pity nobody listens anymore. Dec 6.4 Feb 3.1 Mar 1.6 May 1.4 June * Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jun 22 18:58:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3029 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2005 01:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2005 01:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2005 01:58:22 -0000 X-Node: 4 Received: from stodd (modem0217-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.217]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j5N1wItu014075 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:58:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006901c57797$6f747f80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:01:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Was" WOW? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Xy4jZJNx8mjhAgEmTFwaQQWIHPWxcuD22Fp1df9_Chq7z0kUP1Vb X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That happened many years ago. I wouldn't have done it either. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" > Don't tell me another 3-letter call bit the dust.... I wouldn't dump > a 3-letter call for anything. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > I've been in the process of removing the old RCA 5G transmitter out > of what was WOW in Omaha. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 09:33:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64539 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2005 16:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2005 16:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52008.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.64) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2005 16:33:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 27498 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 2005 16:33:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20050623163301.27496.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.17.225.168] by web52008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:33:01 PDT Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:33:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006901c57797$6f747f80$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: JNR Subject: WHJJ & # of AMS stations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=yKoPELe9_OMKpshKJDZ-8dPNA0sKfTpnokJb0Obtd3KjCvTbdHsb X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Last week 920/WHJJ turned on IBOC and there is hash from 900-940kc.. Also, according to www.amstereoradio.com, there are 173 stations but one needs to be taken off: 800/WPLK-Palatka, Fl. which hasn't been stereo for at least 5 years. They STILL advertise as such. ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 09:48:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34732 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2005 16:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2005 16:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2005 16:48:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2005 16:48:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2005 16:48:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:48:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050623163301.27496.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 913 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.108.179 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: WHJJ & # of AMS stations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=a_ZUlaPKCNDUE8q61-XPupVjheEBnX-aKJLVI2TIfqyPieVI X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > Last week 920/WHJJ turned on IBOC and there is > hash from 900-940kc.. Also, according to > www.amstereoradio.com, there are 173 stations but > one needs to be taken off: 800/WPLK-Palatka, Fl. > which hasn't been stereo for at least 5 years. > They STILL advertise as such. The number of AMS stations is poorly maintained- There are many AMS stations known to be operating that are NOT being listed, as well as many no longer broadcasting in stereo. The true number in the US is probably closer to about 250, right now. That's not counting the ~200 still broadcasting outside the US. The admins of www.amstereoradio.com and www.meduci.com (separate lists) would ask that you please contacxt them about additions and omissions to their lists, so we could get a real count of AMS stations domestically and globally. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 15:42:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38132 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2005 22:42:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2005 22:42:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2005 22:42:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2005 22:42:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2005 22:42:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:42:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050623163301.27496.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 464 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.88.128 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: WHJJ & # of AMS stations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=e2abGqwPeSzt7j5bS225UmaBnkxKiNwsH6VdTasmqLCW1R19Cw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > Last week 920/WHJJ turned on IBOC and there is > hash from 900-940kc.. Also, according to > www.amstereoradio.com, there are 173 stations but > one needs to be taken off: 800/WPLK-Palatka, Fl. > which hasn't been stereo for at least 5 years. > They STILL advertise as such. For a more up-to-date list of AM Stereo stations, visit the Official AM Stereo Web Site: http://www.AMStereo.tk From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Jun 23 17:02:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29864 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 00:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 00:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.78) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 00:02:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:02:14 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.207 by BAY106-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:02:14 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereo@bellsouth.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:02:14 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2005 00:02:14.0844 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA628FC0:01C5784F] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: WQAM-560-Miami X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 XM's weekly Friday re-creation from the 60's tomorrow (Friday) will be Tige= r Radio, 560~WQAM, Miami. Last time they did WQAM they had their vintage mid 60's jingles, along with= ads for Burdines (now Macy's, of course), Pirates World Amusement Park in Ft Lauderdale, Burger King and if I'm not mistaken= ads for Publix as well. XMm's re-creatations run each Friday from 4pm through 9pm Eastern. Donn 27.761 latitude north From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 23 23:50:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@YAHOOGROUPS.COM Received: (qmail 97109 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 06:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 06:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.209) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 06:50:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 12082 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 06:50:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.124.12.123 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 06:50:01 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c57889$40013200$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:52:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Subject: Theres one mybe two X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=eIswn3_Li5uzmPPGPCsfOvPBQL5JhF3t5jBczs9qXGH2Ftcberj021gOYa4X7bmJU8c0CzOm X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang There one or two on this site list that needs updating . One is KUZZ AM 550 Bakersfield is now a full blone AM mono station . I had e mailed them about that and they where mono because of lack of radios. Same old drill. Two i had herd that KDIS AM 1110 is mybe IBOC at day and AM STEREO at night that i over read any way. I would ges you would haft to ask the guys in L.A. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 24 00:01:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85815 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 07:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 07:01:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.58) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 07:01:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 07:01:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 07:01:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 07:01:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c57889$40013200$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 734 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.124.12.123 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Theres one mybe two X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=BVD6q0LeBe4lih4lSnOy-fK2Ljgk2gSl1PAWZ9GyR-LhRl1m0O2bBoXZHR3YiUTyUsER2zpP X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hi Gang There one or two on this site list that needs updating . One is KUZZ AM 550 Bakersfield is now a full blone AM mono station . I had e mailed them about that and they where mono because of lack of radios. Same old drill. Two i had herd that KDIS AM 1110 is mybe IBOC at day and AM STEREO at night that i over read any way. I would ges you would haft to ask the guys in L.A. Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Hi Agen I can conferm that KIDS AM 1110 is on the iboc list with "ON THE AIR" . Like i said you would haft to ask the guys in L.A to know whats up at night. Jim Smith From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Jun 24 07:55:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3959 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 14:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 14:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 14:54:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 14:54:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 14:54:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:54:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c57889$40013200$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 579 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.89.146.146 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: Theres one mybe two X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=Q-CeMc29wtPXW2LZ33WHkjMX4h9XeYFHNkgOr7riwFbqibo X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hi Gang There one or two on this site list that needs updating . One is KUZZ AM 550 Bakersfield is now a full blone AM mono station . I had e mailed them about that and they where mono because of lack of radios. Same old drill. Two i had herd that KDIS AM 1110 is mybe IBOC at day and AM STEREO at night that i over read any way. I would ges you would haft to ask the guys in L.A. Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Haven't heard any stereo at night so far. From w6yn@juno.com Fri Jun 24 09:35:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4277 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 16:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 16:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 16:35:24 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBM2PTJAKPQ3JS for (sender ); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:34:48 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLD8L1mCYZEUWGb+m0kLiFvE= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KV998UKK; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:33:54 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:32:40 -0700 Message-ID: <20050624.093241.3684.9.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ContentStamp: 8:4:2183254329 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: KFUO NOT SATISFIED WITH IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=wuHF8BE0mBybg8lKKOS0uKqDctZetSAge1Vxf0BqGA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn EMERGING TECHNOLOGY: KFUO NOT SATISFIED WITH IBOC Greg Hardisson's Los Angeles based broadcast industry newsletter says that at least one mid-West station is not very happy with the current In Bands – On Channel or Eye Bokk digital broadcast system. That station is KFUO on 850 Kilohertz in Clayton, Missouri and holds the honor of being the first digital station in the St. Louis market. According to the newsletter KFUO is now considering switching it's Eye Bock off permanently. This after station managers reviewed complaints from listeners about reduced coverage as a result of the station's broadcasting in the I-B-O-C system. Another reason may be some alleged interference that the digital system is reportedly causing to the signals of other broadcasters that St. Louis area listeners regularly tune in. This includes the signals of WHB on 810 Kiloherrtz in Kansas City; KOTC on 830 Kilohertz in Kennett, Missouri; WINU on 870 Kilohertz in Shelbyville, Illinois; WCBW on 880 Highland, Illinois and powerhouse WLS on 890 Kilohertz in Chicago The reason for the interference seems to be the sidebands generated by the KFUO digital transmitter. The station appears to want to be a good neighbor and remain a welcome member of the community. From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Fri Jun 24 20:34:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63079 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 03:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 03:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 03:34:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2005 03:34:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2005 03:34:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 03:34:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c57889$40013200$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1129 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.164.131.144 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: Theres one mybe two X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=ckMI-0KE4sZ7m4srhy0MTeuEwoNYleq7bqGmuwT07prwICkOaZmizg X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hi Gang There one or two on this site list that needs updating . One is KUZZ AM 550 Bakersfield is now a full blone AM mono station . I had e mailed them about that and they where mono because of lack of radios. Same old drill. Two i had herd that KDIS AM 1110 is mybe IBOC at day and AM STEREO at night that i over read any way. I would ges you would haft to ask the guys in L.A. Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] That is what I find so maddening about these stations going mono. So what if there is a lack of AMS radios. Generally, their AM will sound better even on a mono radio if they're broadcasting in stereo. AMS station, KABC 790 in LA, sounds great on a good mono AM radio and so did KDIS 1110 when they were AMS. Plus I'm sure that in just about every area of the country there are going to be a few people who have AMS receivers (mostly in their cars). Why should they suffer with mono AM just because they are in the minority? The logic of these former AMS stations mystifies me. db From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 25 01:52:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11037 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 08:52:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 08:52:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 08:52:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2005 08:52:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2005 08:52:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:52:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050624.093241.3684.9.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1436 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.124.14.202 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KFUO NOT SATISFIED WITH IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=fK8ePlDw5QGlYoop7MW9UR5yN-KnLFLfaYgovRE9_WVq2oLTBfLnKzkSaPoFYFpfRHw-2Rmn X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury =20 wrote: > EMERGING TECHNOLOGY: KFUO NOT SATISFIED WITH IBOC=20 >=20=20 > Greg Hardisson's Los Angeles based broadcast industry newsletter > says > that at least one mid-West station is not very happy with the=20 current > In Bands =96 On Channel or Eye Bokk digital broadcast system. That > station is KFUO on 850 Kilohertz in Clayton, Missouri and holds the > honor of being the first digital station in the St. Louis market. >=20=20 > According to the newsletter KFUO is now considering switching > it's Eye > Bock off permanently. This after station managers reviewed=20 complaints > from listeners about reduced coverage as a result of the station's > broadcasting in the I-B-O-C system.=20 >=20=20 > Another reason may be some alleged interference that the digital > system is reportedly causing to the signals of other broadcasters=20 that > St. Louis area listeners regularly tune in. This includes the=20 signals > of WHB on 810 Kiloherrtz in Kansas City; KOTC on 830 Kilohertz in > Kennett, Missouri; WINU on 870 Kilohertz in Shelbyville, Illinois; > WCBW on 880 Highland, Illinois and powerhouse WLS on 890 Kilohertz=20 in > Chicago=20=20 >=20=20 > The reason for the interference seems to be the sidebands generated=20 by > the KFUO digital transmitter. The station appears to want to be a > good neighbor and remain a welcome member of the community. Hi Gang About time!!!!! Jim Smith From kya1260@lycos.com Sat Jun 25 12:06:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60658 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 19:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 19:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 19:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id DE70F1800137 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:06:25 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 25 Jun 2005 19:06:25 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C5D3E3384B; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:06:25 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [71.128.92.102] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:06:25 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:06:25 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050625190625.C5D3E3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: {AMSF} Kahn AM Stereo Memories - 4/1988 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=sEtzePY5Bs0V7bX0KGEEtQb8RewDevYh1tsT4uKvx13ZsBPCzA X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found this while perusing through some old archives: a 1988 "paper clip" from Kahn Communications' booth at the Las Vegas NAB in April 1988... Yup, it is slow at the AM Stereo Ranch, Bucakraoos (let's get KUZZ back on AMS)... --jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kya1260@lycos.com Sat Jun 25 12:12:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2707 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 19:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 19:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 19:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 1AC5718001DA for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:12:00 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 25 Jun 2005 19:12:00 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 030A13384B; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:11:59 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [71.128.92.102] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:11:59 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:11:59 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050625191159.030A13384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: {AMSF} Kahn AM Stereo Memories - 4/1988 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=oog_oulATgwKz7WuDFVlgPbVO17PMLvmXMvIPn-6PGgjqR2-DQ X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found this while perusing through some old archives: a 1988 "paper clip" from Kahn Communications' booth at the Las Vegas NAB in April 1988... Yup, it is slow at the AM Stereo Ranch, Bucakraoos (let's get KUZZ back on AMS)... --jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 25 13:28:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33769 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 20:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 20:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 20:28:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2005 20:28:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2005 20:28:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:28:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050625191159.030A13384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 443 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.110.60 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn AM Stereo Memories - 4/1988 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=erHOGrbNLDnV_9NWNwHqGXLjrttv1F_0dUN2oFNPjsuCirkj X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > I found this while perusing through some > old archives: a 1988 "paper clip" from > Kahn Communications' booth at the Las > Vegas NAB in April 1988... > Yup, it is slow at the AM Stereo Ranch, > Bucakraoos (let's get KUZZ back on AMS)... As you may've noticed, attatchments are filtered out from this forum. Sorry- I, for one, would love to see it. amy. <:3 )~~8~ From badeditpro@cox.net Sat Jun 25 15:40:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31811 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 22:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 22:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 22:40:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2005 22:40:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2005 22:40:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:40:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 491 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.241.14.188 From: "JC" Subject: I'm back! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213608519; y=Rv0FzGeq8PH8EABfyeYQtSEi0O8fB3MpIDcwZljMGxBL6itjyTN7gp6f6JPk X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Hello All, I have been busy getting settled in to the new gig and haven't had much time to jump in here lately. You will all be pleased to know that I now have control over two AM stations that are running in mono analog with no plans whatsoever to go to digital. That also goes for the four FM stations in my cluster. We are using some wonderful analog processing and all sound great. Anyhow, I hope all is well with everyone and I'll be checking back in very soon. : ) Joe Collins From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Jun 25 17:26:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66984 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 00:26:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 00:26:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52011.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.94) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 00:26:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 64599 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2005 00:26:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20050626002632.64597.qmail@web52011.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.56.30] by web52011.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:26:32 PDT Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:26:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: JNR Subject: I need covert help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=P6GCGdcRNAUDBBNtB3Y0VUD0aIFUuqdtiKR8lLNJbg2EZs7_TPtE X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I may be able to convince the owner of 2 directional high-power stations to go stereo (over digital which the co-owner of one station thinks will work) but I need to know if a 50kW with 6 towers and a 5kW with 3 towers daytime, 4 towers nighttime will sound good & pass wideband audio. Thanks, Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 25 19:09:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47683 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 02:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 02:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.57) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 02:09:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n28.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2005 02:09:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2005 02:09:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 02:09:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 88 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.110.60 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Kahn AM Stereo Memories - 4/1988 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=_yZah456RB_3PWqOMhRj8UOsYmBRNf-6mV3Oneunq4TCrcRt X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie And now, here it is, what Jay tried to post: http://tinyurl.com/88qgq Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 25 22:18:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@YAHOOGROUPS.COM Received: (qmail 82508 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 05:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 05:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.207) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 05:18:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 52788 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 05:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.126.222.253 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 05:18:04 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c57a02$7e6504c0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:52:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Subject: Re: Kuzz radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=AzFzLCARxJzki8vpbYMmT4DWaPunqg70V3Hub93dKENIORiML21yp7yWHXwZz0paqVXcNeDg X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some one should here that can hear them better than me should bug them and put the word out about this site in Barksfeild Ca and tell them alls not gone in the AM STEREO world. Jim Smith P.S Or if you can get in tuch with Buck Owens !!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Jun 26 13:20:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27727 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 20:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 20:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.137) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 20:20:07 -0000 Received: from storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id D5627D5D8; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id NAA01676; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:20:06 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAl9TxcLoL2MiE5KP3DNm3jlOvCx8CFQC3I33/NjNk8HRibdIBWhWoO/UpHQ== Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 15:20:06 -0500 To: ABDX@topica.com, oldphones12@aol.com Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <10378-42BF0DF6-2720@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Phil Rafuse 's message of Sun, 26 Jun 2005 09:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: No IBOC on KFAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=JHF2vIvic6qI6Ep8ydHhnv6zDNrXl4Sabh3o0K5xg0Xzb_9GSA X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 I noticed this morning 6/26 and just a couple of minutes ago that 1110 KFAB 50KW Omaha, NE DOES NOT seem to have their IBOC on! Hope this breakdown continues.. < Yeah Baby!! > KFAB's signal quality is awful with IBOC's high pitched buzz in the background, Especially noticeable IF there is a lot of phase distortion around power lines, etc... and forget the sidebands.... I am NOT impressed with A.M.> IBOC, IBAC at all. makes any station sound like IBOC station K R A P!!!! Amazing how l o w KFAB has sunk since the rather stellar sound they had back in the 80's, early 90's in Motorola C-Quam (( AM Stereo ))) !! Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Jun 26 15:25:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74752 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 22:25:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 22:25:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.138) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 22:25:28 -0000 Received: from storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 60F7BD6D8; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 15:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id PAA17252; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 15:25:28 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAxLdvu2S4twQXMrnrDmxJ+tv7dCsCFFOvUZvLgr3FqKAV8YFQ9okVhnfT Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:25:28 -0500 To: ABDX@topica.com Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <23774-42BF2B58-2822@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: oldphones 's message of Sun, 26 Jun 2005 15:20:06 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [ ABDX ] IBOC UPDATE! on KFAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=chlUCsDRhKGTlwQVMypEIEcOaTAFWWDUfLsLPABwtSoOu_sWaw X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Just checked, IBOC, IBAC Back ON at KFAB!! at 17:20 CDT >> seemed tooo Goood to be True!! My Short Lived Expectations ----dashed!! ---- Now, WHERE are the IBOC Radios????!! Monitored on REceiver SONY SRF-A100. Bill S. Omaha Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 26 15:42:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@YAHOOGROUPS.COM Received: (qmail 19007 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 22:42:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 22:42:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.201) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 22:42:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 93465 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 22:42:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.124.111.121 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 22:42:43 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c57a8f$67589de0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:41:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Subject: tape IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=jpoIMS_jGupThNd_243Vpro2P6JMpVmC-PFCXto26qrc9XGjfCOd_vuXmfMsRXN9mX8LtB1J X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Mybe what we should do is don't tell them how awfull they sound but show them by tapeing them and if there is some clips around of them before in wonderful AM STEREO or am mono wich sounds better then ICRAP. And send the tapes to them so thay can hear in the real word what we hear. Thanks Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 26 19:02:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51131 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2005 02:02:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2005 02:02:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2005 02:02:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2005 02:02:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2005 02:02:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:02:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1209 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.88.128 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Kahn AM Stereo Memories - 4/1988 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=HWnr4hzU98Ea0yToBa12kH58Kq59nVrww9ZiAKmIK4SzE3I_6A X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > And now, here it is, what Jay tried to post: > > http://tinyurl.com/88qgq Mr. Kahn is now using the same "not afraid of the dark" slogan for CAM-D. And it is true that the only AM stations in the USA broadcasting "digital" signals at night are those using CAM-D. I believe there are about half a dozen CAM-D stations now on the air. Kahn is selling CAM-D exciters for $20,000 a pop, which is not much difference than a $30,000 IBOC exciter, but CAM-D does not have any yearly licensing fees, nor does Kahn take a percentage of the revenue earned by a station's digital data feed (if CAM-D can provide such a thing yet). But as of yet, we're all still in the dark about what CAM-D exactly is. He'd posted plenty of data about PowerSide on his web site, but nothing about CAM-D specifically. (Interestingly, one of the documents describes a stereo version of PowerSide, which I believe consists of placing the L+R audio on one sideband, and the L-R audio on the other sideband. With stereo audio, the L+R component is usually at a much higher level than the L-R component, thus providing the PowerSide effect.) From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 26 20:33:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9688 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2005 03:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2005 03:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2005 03:33:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2005 03:33:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2005 03:33:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2005 03:33:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 03:33:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 134 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.110.60 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Kahn AM Stereo Memories - 4/1988 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=9FydG2oNCqltELQR0twec5BFjBgFpvKfZt9oBBzhgDJHUueo X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Did someone mention PowerSide? The flipside of that same paperclip: http://tinyurl.com/cjy5f Courtesy of Jay, BTW. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Jun 26 21:27:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14325 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2005 04:27:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2005 04:27:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2005 04:27:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 29345 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jun 2005 04:27:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20050627042728.29343.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.162.222.143] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:27:28 PDT Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:27:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John P." Subject: go ahead and add stereo AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=aUnS3fQ2Zq-F6i-_pYGSIwbyggs5-85A-GFS3skHdRzEHmIsEbylABs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio fellow stereophile wrote: "5kW with 3 towers daytime, 4 towers nighttime will sound good & pass wideband audio..." I heard a local with 5kW into 3 towers, and it sounded pretty doggone decent in stereo AM, not quite the same as 50KW ND one tower, but local, it sounded really good - and the bandwidth was easier on CQuam than what it was to set up the orginal Kahn, according to their engineer. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 26 21:53:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76319 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2005 04:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2005 04:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2005 04:53:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2005 04:52:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2005 04:52:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:52:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050627042728.29343.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 796 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.110.60 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: go ahead and add stereo AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=D1hbMJF10Vhi7bnoqHpZSXg_Qg44CYJjMyqpyjHUCMTTDESn X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > fellow stereophile wrote: "5kW with 3 towers daytime, 4 > towers nighttime will sound good & pass wideband > audio..." > > I heard a local with 5kW into 3 towers, and it sounded pretty doggone decent in > stereo AM, not quite the same as 50KW ND one tower, but local, it sounded > really good - and the bandwidth was easier on CQuam than what it was to set up > the orginal Kahn, according to their engineer. Not surprising, considering Kahn, like Harris, had spurious harmonics issues, so the SWR would have a tougher time under Kahn. Now, had it been an implementation of "C-ISB" (ISB based from a C- QUAM configuration), it would've been on par with C-QUAM, insofar as passing the array. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomray@wor710.com Mon Jun 27 09:27:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51761 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2005 16:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2005 16:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2005 16:27:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2005 16:24:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2005 16:24:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2005 16:24:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:24:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 782 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Kahn AM Stereo Memories - 4/1988 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=MwnCVTD93DQIk2f5A4T4dCpBiq5n4o9snJP-xHMrX_wzrR5m X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Kahn is selling CAM-D exciters for $20,000 a pop, which is not much > difference than a $30,000 IBOC exciter, but CAM-D does not have any > yearly licensing fees, nor does Kahn take a percentage of the revenue > earned by a station's digital data feed (if CAM-D can provide such a > thing yet). Kevin: There are no 'yearly licensing fees' for an IBOC signal, unless you are selling the data capabilities of the system. It's a one time licensing fee, $5000 right now, going to $10K January 1. Data fee is 3% of profit of the fees charged to lease your data capabilities. Data for use strictly by the station (ie, remote control telemetry, things like that) do not get charged. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Jun 27 09:28:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19892 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2005 16:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2005 16:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2005 16:28:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2005 16:28:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2005 16:28:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:28:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050627042728.29343.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 943 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: go ahead and add stereo AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=ZItqWoCMt83HhK17O8g7e83-IuF6PSVuz_MY5dGhJztyhSgy X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > fellow stereophile wrote: "5kW with 3 towers daytime, 4 > towers nighttime will sound good & pass wideband > audio..." > > I heard a local with 5kW into 3 towers, and it sounded pretty doggone decent in > stereo AM, not quite the same as 50KW ND one tower, but local, it sounded > really good - and the bandwidth was easier on CQuam than what it was to set up > the orginal Kahn, according to their engineer. It would be prudent to do an impedance sweep of the common point on both stations to see what the bandwidth actually is. If these are inline arrays, the bandwidth may not be what you think it is....especially that 4 tower array which, if it's an inline, will have one negative tower which can severely impact the bandwidth. Too narrow a bandwidth will cause issues for the CQUAM signal....like excessive distortion and poor separation. Tom Ray WOR From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 09:33:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60787 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2005 16:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2005 16:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52015.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.98) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2005 16:33:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 82174 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jun 2005 16:33:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20050627163339.82170.qmail@web52015.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.109.206.228] by web52015.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:33:39 PDT Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:33:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.98 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: go ahead and add stereo AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=-l_iVU-XfuKIlUphDrEPiSn-yzlvFM1qwwY_dBeb_zknn8MwWw8M X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio How do I do that? Can I use a simple VOM? Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 17:20:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91757 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2005 00:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2005 00:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2005 00:20:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2005 00:20:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2005 00:20:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:20:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050627042728.29343.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 664 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.88.128 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: go ahead and add stereo AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=cv5t1T0kCcgOc7uBL8hRdbgGxg4XmnHWB70b5oNwoJqMNdGT4A X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I heard a local with 5kW into 3 towers, and it sounded pretty > doggone decent in stereo AM, not quite the same as 50KW ND one > tower, but local, it sounded really good - and the bandwidth was > easier on CQuam than what it was to set up the orginal Kahn, > according to their engineer. It is true that you don't need a 100% brand new and immaculately engineered transmitter facility to put a decent C-Quam signal on the air. Of course you won't get the same kind of "world-class" sound like the big 50,000-watt Class I-A stations (WJR, WLS, etc.), but for listeners with AM Stereo receivers, it will still provide a very satisfying listening experience. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 17:32:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10583 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2005 00:32:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2005 00:32:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2005 00:32:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2005 00:31:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2005 00:31:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:31:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050627163339.82170.qmail@web52015.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 404 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.88.128 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: go ahead and add stereo AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=eV2ufbGxFvPPVzew5gLK_5n435z4ejh7LOVs2PBtOR1-z_odJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > How do I do that? Can I use a simple VOM? > > Jay A VOM is always a handy tool to have, but in this case you'll need more sophisticated test equipment. In the olden days, you could do a lot with just a grid dip meter, but nowadays you'd likely use a computerized piece of equipment to perform those functions and much more. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 18:38:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14956 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2005 01:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2005 01:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2005 01:38:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2005 01:38:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2005 01:38:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2005 01:38:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 01:38:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 117 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.88.128 From: "Kevin T." Subject: A little bit of memorabilia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=oypKgkeTX3kb3nyUZR9id6Ax0mvSw0zI2qsRgefYWD-VfCFI7g X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From the days when New York's 1050 WEVD was AM Stereo, and proud of it: http://www.tonydeeradio.com/pics/399.jpg From jon@kenneke.com Tue Jun 28 11:06:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@kenneke.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73656 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2005 18:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2005 18:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenneke.com) (65.103.64.194) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2005 18:06:49 -0000 Received: from kenneke.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j5SI6i6m024471 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:06:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id j5SI6iNt024468 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:06:44 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:06:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.7.4 (kenneke.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:06:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 65.103.64.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: jon Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kahn AM Stereo Memories - 4/1988 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77819664; y=K72tkT8iR9IvJ2IdM3rSemyE-X1OxUjkEW1DmMbiz-_COGQ9KQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jonkenneke Speaking of Powersides: I just sold a pair of Powersides for an amazingly large amount. They never really worked well (read sounded good) for us, probably because of the clipping. But, some poor sap evidentally has use for them. After ripping out the Powersides, and readjusting the processing, we sound MUCH better. Not that I think Powerside was a bad idea, but it just doesn't do anything with modern receivers. Jon On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, Amy Mousie wrote: > Did someone mention PowerSide? > > The flipside of that same paperclip: > http://tinyurl.com/cjy5f > > Courtesy of Jay, BTW. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From tomray@wor710.com Tue Jun 28 17:37:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88193 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2005 00:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2005 00:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2005 00:37:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2005 00:37:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2005 00:37:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 00:37:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 797 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: go ahead and add stereo AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=ZP9CoXfP1NFQBoV9Tv1pEUUGndvbProKCkvjL9DtWFfqrjpg X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > How do I do that? Can I use a simple VOM? > > > > Jay > > A VOM is always a handy tool to have, but in this case you'll need > more sophisticated test equipment. In the olden days, you could do > a lot with just a grid dip meter, but nowadays you'd likely use a > computerized piece of equipment to perform those functions and much > more. True....you COULD use something like a computerized network analyzer to sweep the impedance and draw you a Smith chart.....but there's still plenty of room out there for a good old Delta OIB-1 Impedance Bridge and a calibrated test oscillator, like the one Potomac Instruments makes. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Jun 28 17:39:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97457 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2005 00:39:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2005 00:39:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2005 00:39:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2005 00:38:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2005 00:38:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 00:38:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 562 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kahn AM Stereo Memories - 4/1988 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=ojV1YibYplpj09vtqSfxTKojOmdYWqMRX216rISMLrI6v7gb X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jon wrote: > > Speaking of Powersides: > > I just sold a pair of Powersides for an amazingly large amount. They never > really worked well (read sounded good) for us, probably because of the > clipping. But, some poor sap evidentally has use for them. > > After ripping out the Powersides, and readjusting the processing, we sound > MUCH better. Not that I think Powerside was a bad idea, but it just > doesn't do anything with modern receivers. > THANK YOU! I've been saying that for years! Tom Ray WOR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 28 19:30:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5488 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2005 02:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2005 02:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2005 02:30:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2005 02:29:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2005 02:29:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 02:29:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1459 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.73.3 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kahn AM Stereo Memories - 4/1988 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=7q0o9mYiV440Os0_NiHdkNtEMdK9e4OxNc8hNjysxBZbC_HCLA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > After ripping out the Powersides, and readjusting the processing, > we sound MUCH better. Not that I think Powerside was a bad idea, > but it just doesn't do anything with modern receivers. It seems that the one thing Power-Side can do is help stations with poorly-performing antenna systems put out a better signal, by allowing them to fool around with the phasing and relative level of the sidebands until they find a configuration which cancels out their antenna system's shortcomings. Of course, this same improvement can be achieved by simply spending the time and money to fix or replace your antenna system, but Kahn would rather have you believe that Power-Side is some sort of magic box which can double your station's coverage area. It's not; it simply offers an effective "band-aid" fix for stations with an underperforming transmission facility. Put Power-Side on a station which already has a carefully tweaked and broad-banded antenna system (especially one that is non-directional), and you'll just end up with grungy-sounding audio with no real gain in coverage. p.s. Another little secret is that the Power-Side effect only acts upon audio up to 5 kHz. Any audio above 5 kHz will be transmitted as conventional AM, with equal level and phasing on both sidebands. That's why Power-Side stations tend to have distorted bass and mid-range (due to all the clipping that the Power-Side box does) but clean-sounding treble. From jon@kenneke.com Wed Jun 29 12:30:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@kenneke.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4708 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2005 19:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2005 19:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenneke.com) (65.103.64.194) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2005 19:30:13 -0000 Received: from kenneke.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j5TJU1hR031891 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:30:02 -0700 Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id j5TJU1Qw031888 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:30:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:30:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.7.4 (kenneke.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:30:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 65.103.64.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: jon Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kahn AM Stereo Memories - 4/1988 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77819664; y=R4seYs1fypJRs1Z-a8D0x9ZlaNJazYvRIRZ2D9eE_tZMq2WIuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jonkenneke Yes, and amen! One of stations we had the powerside on is a "Music of your Life" format, and it just sounded muddy. Now, without, it sounds great, even with the older Orban 9100. (I like the 9200 better, but the 9100's do the trick) It just always peeved me the Powerside used diode clippers. Eeech. Jon > p.s. Another little secret is that the Power-Side effect only acts > upon audio up to 5 kHz. Any audio above 5 kHz will be transmitted > as conventional AM, with equal level and phasing on both sidebands. > That's why Power-Side stations tend to have distorted bass and > mid-range (due to all the clipping that the Power-Side box does) > but clean-sounding treble. > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From jon@kenneke.com Wed Jun 29 12:30:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@kenneke.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59102 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2005 19:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2005 19:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenneke.com) (65.103.64.194) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2005 19:30:57 -0000 Received: from kenneke.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j5TJUtYx031910 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:30:55 -0700 Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id j5TJUtpq031907 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:30:55 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:30:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.7.4 (kenneke.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:30:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 65.103.64.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: jon Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kahn AM Stereo Memories - 4/1988 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77819664; y=AybWsrcmMVUwlv_YvitXnSri9XGgwGUA76zuowI_WkrwjSTrCA X-Yahoo-Profile: jonkenneke You don't know how hard it was for me to convince the owner that those Powersides needed to go. Now, he has "seen the light". > > After ripping out the Powersides, and readjusting the processing, we > sound > > MUCH better. Not that I think Powerside was a bad idea, but it just > > doesn't do anything with modern receivers. > > > > > THANK YOU! I've been saying that for years! > > Tom Ray > WOR > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From rkhester@up-link.net Wed Jun 29 16:25:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rkhester@up-link.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86446 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2005 23:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2005 23:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2005 23:25:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2005 23:24:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2005 23:24:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:24:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 351 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.64.11.48 From: "Richard_K_Hester" Subject: powerside sound X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171897818; y=pcP7b_MaCGxNRlDo8w5GJlu4aie8vUFURkQpjdGfQJH4xfE X-Yahoo-Profile: w5rhs170 They had powerside on KEWI in Benton for a little while and I have never heard anything sound so bad. It almost made the audio sound like it was coming through a window fan! If KEWI sells THIS time I am PERSONALLY going to remove the unit out of the rackmount. If Tom Ray doesn't want it LOL I will probably use it for a boat anchor! Richard w5rhs From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 17:28:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13101 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2005 00:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2005 00:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52404.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.112) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2005 00:27:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 5548 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jun 2005 00:27:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20050630002758.5546.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.126] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:27:58 PDT Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:27:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kahn AM Stereo Memories - 4/1988 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Sr4nI61fcyBRpz-KaU5bsetiUYSop4c2Sd2VtyAt5Ns X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jon wrote: > > Yes, and amen! One of stations we had the powerside > on is a "Music of your > Life" format, and it just sounded muddy. Now, > without, it sounds great, > even with the older Orban 9100. (I like the 9200 > better, but the 9100's do > the trick) Set up the audio with a 'scope and by the 9100 book. 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Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jul 01 23:21:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33209 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2005 06:21:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2005 06:21:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2005 06:21:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2005 06:21:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2005 06:21:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 06:21:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050702030101.16651.qmail@web54601.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 934 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.246.155 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Fwd: Radio Studio X Output power X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=NxVf8ZmQT6pk7NwVREGcLCMJnceK9XTCR8qKCUGrULZdjhO1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, NMMboy wrote: > > --- Luca - Radio Studio X wrote: > > > From: "Luca - Radio Studio X" > > To: amstereoexp@y... > > Subject: Radio Studio X Output power > > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:03:29 +0200 > > > > Hallo > > Compliments for you very interesting website. > > I have noticed that there is an error on the our output power. > > We broadcast with a 50 kw transmitter in AM STEREO. > > If you can could correct our data ? > > > > Thank you in advance > > > > Best Regards from Italy > > > > Betti Luca For some time, I've read hints from others that RSX is not a legitimate broadcaster in Italy. But based on what I've read, the way the station is set up, it is not in the least. And yes, they're enthusiasticly dedicated to AM stereo. I just wish I had some more airchecks of RSX and other overseas AMS broadcasters. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kya1260@lycos.com Sat Jul 02 11:12:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66507 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2005 18:12:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2005 18:12:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2005 18:12:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 7CB7E1800121 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:12:23 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 2 Jul 2005 18:12:23 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 73591CA07F; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:12:23 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [69.108.216.173] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 10:12:23 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 10:12:23 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050702181223.73591CA07F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Ex-AM Stereo Station KATD, SF Bay Area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=zhPSkP4CtavOFVXqL70s5SyjvHxmBJaa_sDWHLnlgy5rnvxW6g X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Greetings, y'all! Anyone know why former Harris AM Stereo station KATD 990 in Pittsburg (Concord), California is off the air? KATD (ex-KKIS) has been off for at least three days.=20 It's been Spanish-formatted the last five years...its stereo went off when new owners took over in 1999... Now I'm looking for my aircheck of KATD from 1993, when I was at its Collinsville transmitter site with its then- engineer and KATD became AM Stereo that night... --jay --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2005 21:27:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2005 21:27:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 21:27:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050702181223.73591CA07F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 867 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.206.217 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: Ex-AM Stereo Station KATD, SF Bay Area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=M_azz3n1q5QqJo-Ae1cmyy1jYbdA_mxeKk22hWqp6tThMueqrlTgMD_o X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I noticed they're back on today. Don't know why they were off. (I also don't know how they get by with that format, either)... Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > Greetings, y'all! > Anyone know why former Harris AM Stereo station KATD 990 > in Pittsburg (Concord), California is off the air? > KATD (ex-KKIS) has been off for at least three days. > It's been Spanish-formatted the last five years...its stereo > went off when new owners took over in 1999... > > Now I'm looking for my aircheck of KATD from 1993, when > I was at its Collinsville transmitter site with its then- > engineer and KATD became AM Stereo that night... > --jay > > -- > _______________________________________________ > NEW! Lycos Dating Search. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=nEbPxyKXPWcIiRxIl4UYWeIikWeG9x4CX3N8k_07h2s_4CTPypdK X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Good to have you back. I've been gone nearly a month myself, what with all the trips to Omaha to get all those pieces of that 5G transmitter. It made it here in pretty good condition, though a few of the roller doors got damaged, but I've got a friend with a junker 10H (a similar unit) I can get parts from to rebuild these. The power transformer also got trashed. Needed to have a shop put in overload springs as it wouldn't handle the load. I did have some straps to hold it down that were on the light side, and they would have held if the mechanic hadn't taken a corner too fast. Drove 50 miles with it that way before getting to the shop, so I can say that with some confidence. Replaced the straps with chains and binders for the ride home, though. They managed to get the damaged transformer back on the bed. A huge thanks to Bill Snyder for putting a tarp over the cabinets on the trailer. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JC" To: Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 5:40 PM Subject: {AMSF} I'm back! > Hello All, > > I have been busy getting settled in to the new gig and haven't had > much time to jump in here lately. You will all be pleased to know > that I now have control over two AM stations that are running in mono > analog with no plans whatsoever to go to digital. That also goes for > the four FM stations in my cluster. We are using some wonderful > analog processing and all sound great. Anyhow, I hope all is well > with everyone and I'll be checking back in very soon. > > : ) > > Joe Collins > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Jul 05 18:26:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45705 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 01:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 01:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 01:26:18 -0000 X-Node: 1 Received: from stodd (modem0142-pli-tnt-mpls1.cpinternet.com [64.61.217.142]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j661QF1c006730 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:26:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008c01c581ca$2ebc5ac0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:29:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: go ahead and add stereo AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=GGfN_Qi6UnpseV1P-FIWZLRyVSn9XINCnXUvGnPK5jGPntZXFmGx X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Two of the stations I work for had stereo in the past- one was a four tower inline with a negative tower as you described, and it sounded fine unless you were in one of their deeper nulls where it sounds bad even in mono. The other has a four tower parallelogram and also sounded great. The station owners should shell out to find out the bandwidth of their system anyway, because flattening the common point impedance will make them sound better even in mono. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: > > fellow stereophile wrote: "5kW with 3 towers daytime, 4 > > towers nighttime will sound good & pass wideband > > audio..." > > > > I heard a local with 5kW into 3 towers, and it sounded pretty > doggone decent in > > stereo AM, > > > It would be prudent to do an impedance sweep of the common point on > both stations to see what the bandwidth actually is. If these are > inline arrays, the bandwidth may not be what you think it > is....especially that 4 tower array which, if it's an inline, will > have one negative tower which can severely impact the bandwidth. Too > narrow a bandwidth will cause issues for the CQUAM signal....like > excessive distortion and poor separation. > From droland66@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 15:49:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87155 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 22:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 22:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 22:49:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 22:49:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 22:49:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 22:49:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 153 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.128.238.135 From: "david roland" Subject: bet CAM-D will X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=zo52_lIOVXXJgbNJZnBFcTbDrDtUssaBlnxJMYsJKx29nJPs X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 end up sounding great on the digital receivers Kahn is working to introduce. i'm thinking it will end up sounding better than 15 kHz analog FM. coax From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 17:08:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74706 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2005 00:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2005 00:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51613.mail.yahoo.com) (68.142.224.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2005 00:05:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 27025 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2005 00:05:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20050707000510.27023.qmail@web51613.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.74.128] by web51613.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 17:05:10 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:05:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.224.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Kevin Tekel Subject: Fwd: MultiStream support for AM Stereo & RDS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=SryXNXJcKip3f5MyKUwvqRP3zNFr6x12eXCnDhySAVuORBl06w X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The "MultiStream" is a small tabletop IBOC receiver that will supposedly be coming on the market soon with a list price of $250. I asked its manufacturer if it supports AM Stereo and/or RDS (as Visteon's prototype IBOC car radios do), and attached below is the answer I got. It would be an interesting project to have a hacker reverse-engineer the MultiStream's OS, with the possibility of changing its DSP code to remove IBOC support (if/when IBOC fails) and implement DSP-based analog AM/FM reception with things like ISB and C-Quam AM Stereo, SSB mode, variable bandwidths, RDS and SCA on FM, maybe even Shortwave & Longwave bands, etc....! --- Geri S wrote: > To: kevtronics@yahoo.com > Subject: [JNJ-34300]: MultiStream support for AM Stereo & RDS? > Date: Wed, 06 Jul 05 11:44:41 -0400 > From: "Geri S" > > MultiStream support for AM Stereo & RDS? > > Dear Kevin: > > Thanks for your interest in the award-winning MultiStream HD! > > The first version of the MultiStream HD does not support AM Stereo or > RBDS. With sufficient demand we could support it in future versions of > the software. We recently added a USB port to be able to easily update > the operating system software. RBDS is a possibility. > > I have passed your request along to our development team. > > > Thanks for choosing Radiosophy! > > Geri S > Radiosophy Support Team > www.radiosophy.com > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. 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That seems to signal the end of another AM music station. Is now the old KLAC music format with Gary Owens in the afternoon weekdays. Don From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 19:14:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15936 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2005 02:14:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2005 02:14:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2005 02:14:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2005 02:13:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2005 02:13:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 02:13:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 333 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.242.147 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: bet CAM-D will X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=QZgdMJbAWGN1_Uz_vxezM_vXZ4KPa7NKrZMRgMEW9yLUAUGw X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "david roland" wrote: > end up sounding great on the digital receivers Kahn is working to > introduce. i'm thinking it will end up sounding better than 15 kHz > analog FM. Provided that he puts out receivers like he did for the Kahn/Hazeltine ISB system? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomray@wor710.com Thu Jul 07 16:21:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23815 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2005 16:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2005 16:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2005 16:36:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2005 16:35:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2005 16:35:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:35:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 298 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: bet CAM-D will X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=bPMdMR5Ty12fgjf5fOElECV4vWh64Oh3axQp15Gd_WUEKQ_H X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray sound like crap, like Kahn's other stuff. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "david roland" wrote: > end up sounding great on the digital receivers Kahn is working to > introduce. i'm thinking it will end up sounding better than 15 kHz > analog FM. > > coax From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Jul 07 20:29:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1255 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2005 03:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2005 03:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.27) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2005 03:29:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:29:33 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.209 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 03:29:33 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:29:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2005 03:29:33.0394 (UTC) FILETIME=[421F2B20:01C5836D] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: bet CAM-D will X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=BsBp06xLoueFtGrjIOQRbMvl8LNcSLQNloe3vpsx1tIFGzaNexGz X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 I must agree with Mr. Ray on this one. Given Kahn's past performance can you expect otherwise? 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 >X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 >X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-21415-1120778491-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2005 23:27:24.0958 (UTC) >FILETIME=[6E7FC3E0:01C5834B] > >sound like crap, like Kahn's other stuff. > >Tom Ray >WOR > > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "david roland" >wrote: > > end up sounding great on the digital receivers Kahn is working to > > introduce. i'm thinking it will end up sounding better than 15 kHz > > analog FM. > > > > coax > > From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Thu Jul 07 21:21:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83263 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2005 04:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2005 04:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2005 04:21:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2005 04:21:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2005 04:21:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 04:21:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1132 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 141.149.34.4 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: bet CAM-D will X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=kI8-QHUv6XNxrB0c4ZxMLRarZcdk9MMvBq2c5BsvXCjgPuWY X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > sound like crap, like Kahn's other stuff. > > Tom Ray > WOR Kahn's biggest problem is Kahn. He can't get past himself and has alienated himself from the engineering community. He's like Doc Brown in Back To The Future... everyone thinks he's nuts. He may be brilliant, but he's like a bull in a China shop. IMPO, both systems are flawed and AM will never be on the same par as FM, regardless of the lies coming from Ibiquity. As a matter of fact, the inablility to have multiple broadcasting streams with the AM will put it even further behind what you can do with FM, both in quality and revenue, if this ever gets off the mat. 1) You can't change radios business structure. 2) Data storage is going to get bigger in capacity and smaller in size, negating the need for radio as a medium for music in the eyes of the public. 3) Radio is not a major habit with the upcoming generation for music. They have the internet, I-POD's and other technical wonders. Their listening habits have radio as a 3rd or 4th choice for music, if at all. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jul 07 21:25:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88051 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2005 04:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2005 04:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2005 04:25:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2005 04:25:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2005 04:25:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 04:25:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 828 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.242.147 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: bet CAM-D will X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=DkohsGr3BGgkZGbC3K4cOyirNRrPEw2pIgmWf_95KiIYBtnw X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" wrote: > I must agree with Mr. Ray on this one. Given Kahn's past performance can > you expect otherwise? I think I've made it clear just what I think of Leonard Kahn. He may have spearheaded AM stereo in the '50s (he didn't invent it), but he did much damage to the credibility of AM stereo, both in the '50s (and effectively caused NAB and the FCC to scuttle AM stereo in favour of FM stereo) and in the '80s, which we're still feeling the effects from. :( His AMS and Powerside ideas would've worked, had he put more thought into their problems, instead of pushing them without listening to others or taking in what others found as solutions to his mistakes. No, I do not have many kind words for Mr. Kahn. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 08 11:43:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70049 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2005 18:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2005 18:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2005 18:43:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 27583 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jul 2005 18:43:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20050708184321.27581.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:43:21 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:43:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John P." Subject: AM Stereo in Australia (Oz) with digital? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=6KvmbtSBJdJBFZsdsFf6fj405c4SkquhH0xY9AlDtsx51aIR7yUKZ7o X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Unlike here in the States, it looks like Oz is going to study a different band for Digital Radio in Australia, in addition or as an alternate to trashing the AM band: "...Digital radio candidate bands discussed in the ABA's discussion paper include: VHF Band III (174-230 MHz); the medium frequency (MF) band (526.5-1606.5 kHz); and VHF Band I (45-52 MHz and 56-70 MHz)." Hopefully they'll leave AM/MW/MF alone, as well as leaving some of the 50-52 or 50-54 MHz portion for the hams, but move the rest of the digital signals to low or high band VHF. It's interesting that they would consider moving it to where the original USA FM band was, plus using old analog TV station frequencies rather than trash the exisiting stations with IBOC. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jul 08 12:10:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42487 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2005 19:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2005 19:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2005 19:10:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2005 19:09:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2005 19:09:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 19:09:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050708184321.27581.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1638 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.16.242 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: AM Stereo in Australia (Oz) with digital? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=7tVJ17i44Br5KMgr6mVcr2qAiGFAFVHwtGmElhn33nlL3iNT X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Unlike here in the States, it looks like Oz is going to study a different band > for Digital Radio in Australia, in addition or as an alternate to trashing the > AM band: > > "...Digital radio candidate bands discussed in the ABA's discussion paper > include: > VHF Band III (174-230 MHz); > the medium frequency (MF) band (526.5-1606.5 kHz); and > VHF Band I (45-52 MHz and 56-70 MHz)." > > Hopefully they'll leave AM/MW/MF alone, as well as leaving some of the 50-52 or > 50-54 MHz portion for the hams, but move the rest of the digital signals to low > or high band VHF. It's interesting that they would consider moving it to where > the original USA FM band was, plus using old analog TV station frequencies > rather than trash the exisiting stations with IBOC. DAB is already being tested in Band III in Australia at this time, although not quite as actively as they should. That they'd consider the lower VHF freqs is not new- These haven't been used for video transmission in many years in many countries- Almost everyone outside of North America uses UHF for TV broadcasting. (Japasn being one major exception.) And the two Band I spreads are too small for DAB (which uses 1.5MHz per MUX), so perhaps they're considering dedicated DRM bands in the VHF. MW will probably be left alone. Unlike in the US, Australia still depends on the AM band, even with the growth of FM. The future of AM stereo, however, is iffy in Oz, it seems....unlike Japan, the only major market where AMS is still sold commercially. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rbrucecarter@yahoo.com Fri Jul 08 18:12:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rbrucecarter@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98215 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2005 01:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2005 01:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2005 01:12:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2005 01:11:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2005 01:11:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 01:11:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 962 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.58.190.145 From: "Bruce Carter" Subject: Re: bet CAM-D will X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116052011; y=3J-829-Fud8HDE9VEcV0Eui6jO6R_usyu0Cn3H3B1A-6_I8AyvTK X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I beg to disagree. I heard a number of Kahn stations in the early 80's, they sounded just as good as C-Quam if not better. And - Kahn always had the advantage that two mono radios could be used to get a stereo effect - if you just tuned one slightly off center high, and the other off-center low. Have you tried listening to WOR on a non-digitally tuned radio, which is not quite on frequency? The self-jamming effect gets dramatically worse the further off frequency you get. In order for the phase modulation of the 5-10 kHz sidebands to work to blank the digital hash, you must be precisely on frequency! KMKI here ran 30 minutes of dead air a couple of weeks back - I thought my radio had been tuned to 610 or 630. But it was on 620, just not perfectly tuned. It took my experienced hand to find the "null" where digital hash wasn't present. Even then - there was a funny warbling in the audio. Don't take my word for it - try it!!! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Jul 08 18:13:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47935 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2005 01:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2005 01:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2005 01:13:24 -0000 X-Node: 4 Received: from stodd (modem0491-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.212.237]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j691BHk5009946 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:11:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001201c58423$9c13eb00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:14:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bet CAM-D will X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=CtTm8pk6lBjbR_2GSwsOZc8uvlqyMVspIKfiXGMP6RNWvHWquclU X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not to mention for those of us with AMS radios, they'll be almost as obsolete as per their stereo funcion (with the few exceptions of multimode radios) as they are under the hybrid IBOC system. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "david roland" > wrote: > > end up sounding great on the digital receivers Kahn is working to > > introduce. i'm thinking it will end up sounding better than 15 kHz > > analog FM. > > Provided that he puts out receivers like he did for the Kahn/Hazeltine > ISB system? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Jul 08 18:25:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9728 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2005 01:25:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2005 01:25:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2005 01:25:11 -0000 X-Node: 3 Received: from stodd (modem0491-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.212.237]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j691Ovc8003869 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:25:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002d01c58425$868ef7a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20050707000510.27023.qmail@web51613.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:26:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: MultiStream support for AM Stereo & RDS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=pEw6vI6bkROvkSg4iTqtY6aU-6PB20IWFRCixBbdoGkgR-cbSQLb X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You think like I do. :) Know of anyone who can hack the code? Sounds like there's enough reserve memory that the IBOC might not need to be stripped off. Doesn't even require replacing an eprom, which has been the bugaboo of most radios with digital detectors. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Tekel" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:05 PM Subject: {AMSF} Fwd: MultiStream support for AM Stereo & RDS? > The "MultiStream" is a small tabletop IBOC receiver that will supposedly > be coming on the market soon with a list price of $250. I asked its > manufacturer if it supports AM Stereo and/or RDS (as Visteon's prototype > IBOC car radios do), and attached below is the answer I got. It would be > an interesting project to have a hacker reverse-engineer the MultiStream's > OS, with the possibility of changing its DSP code to remove IBOC support > (if/when IBOC fails) and implement DSP-based analog AM/FM reception with > things like ISB and C-Quam AM Stereo, SSB mode, variable bandwidths, RDS > and SCA on FM, maybe even Shortwave & Longwave bands, etc....! > > > --- Geri S wrote: > > > Dear Kevin: > > > > Thanks for your interest in the award-winning MultiStream HD! > > > > The first version of the MultiStream HD does not support AM Stereo or > > RBDS. With sufficient demand we could support it in future versions of > > the software. We recently added a USB port to be able to easily update > > the operating system software. RBDS is a possibility. > > > > I have passed your request along to our development team. > > > > > > Thanks for choosing Radiosophy! > > > > Geri S > > Radiosophy Support Team > > www.radiosophy.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Jul 08 18:38:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26934 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2005 01:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2005 01:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2005 01:38:25 -0000 X-Node: 1 Received: from stodd (modem0491-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.212.237]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j691c6mP012561 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:38:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004001c58427$5b1ac840$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:41:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: a few at the FCC do care X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=t_r8JlJXqgIsDGvj5uQj-TTG6aNvZnpGwLe9_z6HoFxNeddJjw-L X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We've seen a lot of posts here complainting about the FCC not enforcing power changes- looks like they care, at least here in MN. From the Upper Midwest Broadcasting page posted 6/12: The FCC's Enforcement Bureau has issued a $4,000 notice of apparent liability to Ingstad Brothers Broadcasting for failure to reduce power of KCHK/1350 (New Prague) at local sunset. KCHK is licensed for 500W day and 70W night. On December 1, 3, 4, and 6, 2004, a St. Paul FCC agent determined from field strength measurements that KCHK did not reduce to nighttime power until 6:56 p.m., though local sunset for KCHK is specified as 4:30 p.m. in the month of December. Ingstad Brothers Broadcasting has until July 1 to either pay the forfeiture or file a statement seeking a reduction or cancellation of the forfeiture. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Fri Jul 08 19:02:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36990 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2005 02:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2005 02:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au) (150.229.64.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2005 02:02:23 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au (138.194.3.56) by vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au with ESMTP; 09 Jul 2005 12:02:22 +1000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,275,1114956000"; d="scan'208"; a="44879877:sNHT20448828" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 12:02:21 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 12:02:20 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Australia (Oz) with digital? Thread-Index: AcWD7O6J096B+mc5SgWiZh1hszWYpgAPEuCQ To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2005 02:02:21.0299 (UTC) FILETIME=[3DF69430:01C5842A] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Australia (Oz) with digital? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=_FKzXeo4zBvLAVue1KJVWCKhN-pKheQ5wdLWFFfLxYgC > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnny Electron > Unlike here in the States, it looks like Oz is going to study=20 > a different band > for Digital Radio in Australia, in addition or as an=20 > alternate to trashing the > AM band:=20=20 It seem that legislation for DAB radio in Oz is finally close at hand. CRA (our NAB) wants no new entrants for 10 years. The ABA (FCC) wants only= five years protection. This seems to be the major sticking point. I expe= ct that stations will simulcast on their current AM and FM frequencies for = at least five years while listeners get used to buying digital radios. And it can't come soon enough. At the moment in Melbourne we have no AM st= ereo music stations. Thank heavens that all interested parties have decided against IBOC. Ian=20 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 09 00:25:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7313 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2005 07:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2005 07:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2005 07:25:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2005 07:25:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2005 07:25:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 07:25:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1187 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.74.128 From: "Kevin T." Subject: LPB + AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=ZkeKo1wRgXav3e9hyOJhz0Tl8tN7QmuGBBUid-l4BVv5_kzgXA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Has anyone here had experience with adapting an LPB transmitter for use with an AM Stereo exciter? In a Google search, I found a reference to the fact that Motorola and Delta demonstrated C-Quam AM Stereo at NAB conventions by using LPB transmitters, and Kahn and Magnavox demonstrated their own AM Stereo systems with LPB's as well. But how do you actually interface an AM Stereo exciter to an LPB transmitter? LPB has schematics for their transmitters on their web site ( http://www.lpbinc.com/ ) but the insertion point for the AM Stereo exciter's RF output is not clearly marked. If the LPB's built-in mono exciter had an output power (feeding the RF amplifier board) of about 100 mW, then it could be entirely replaced by the test output of the AM Stereo exciter (which provides a fully modulated ~100 mW AM Stereo signal) but by looking at the size of the transistor heat sinks on the LPB's exciter board, I'm guessing it feeds the RF amp with more than just 100 mW. Here are two documents from LPB which mention AM Stereo: http://www.collegebroadcasters.org/cctech/CBICarrierCurrentTheory.pdf http://www.collegebroadcasters.org/cctech/CBICarrierCurrentDesign.pdf From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 09 02:08:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99240 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2005 09:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2005 09:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2005 09:08:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2005 09:08:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2005 09:08:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:08:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1706 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.16.242 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: LPB + AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=FWZSbXksH_mOHIh5Z3id7jdt54o9lyIy-bPaMGfEuWOu-5mw X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Has anyone here had experience with adapting an LPB transmitter for > use with an AM Stereo exciter? In a Google search, I found a > reference to the fact that Motorola and Delta demonstrated C-Quam > AM Stereo at NAB conventions by using LPB transmitters, and Kahn and > Magnavox demonstrated their own AM Stereo systems with LPB's as well. These were all custom-built experimental transmitters made by each company's R&D departments. > But how do you actually interface an AM Stereo exciter to an LPB > transmitter? LPB has schematics for their transmitters on their > web site ( http://www.lpbinc.com/ ) but the insertion point for the > AM Stereo exciter's RF output is not clearly marked. If the LPB's > built-in mono exciter had an output power (feeding the RF amplifier > board) of about 100 mW, then it could be entirely replaced by the > test output of the AM Stereo exciter (which provides a fully > modulated ~100 mW AM Stereo signal) but by looking at the size of the > transistor heat sinks on the LPB's exciter board, I'm guessing it > feeds the RF amp with more than just 100 mW. There is a distinction between LPB, Inc. and LPB, the broadcasting mode. Secondly, many exciters are between 100mW and 5W, which lets them act as dummy-load and mini-transmitters when not actually being used with a station's primary transmitters. My guess, it can handle a 5-Watt input.. (LPB authorisations are rarely below 10W, but can go up to 1kW, if I recall correctly.) Personally, I'd just stick to using the exciter as a mini- transmitter, since many (most?) are set up to do that. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 09 12:43:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16540 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2005 19:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2005 19:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2005 19:43:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2005 19:43:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2005 19:43:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:43:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1120 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.74.128 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: LPB + AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=dQnTcVGn9p7jYRg5KUv9xOI-IBZ6cnIny1sIDwtlhp6l4-ulig X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Personally, I'd just stick to using the exciter as a mini- > transmitter, since many (most?) are set up to do that. AM Stereo exciters do put out 5 to 10 watts, but this is not a fully modulated C-Quam signal -- it has the carrier, pilot tone, and quadrature modulation (L-R audio), but it's missing the amplitude- modulated L+R audio. To provide a fully-modulated C-Quam signal (including AM L+R audio) for testing and monitoring purposes, the exciter provides a separate "TX Sample" output -- but this signal is only in the range of 50 to 100 mW. That's great if you want to use a commercial C-Quam exciter as a very expensive Part 15 AM Stereo transmitter, but not so good if you're trying to get a 1- to 50-watt AM Stereo signal on the air. In this power range -- such as the "peanut-whistle" nighttime signals of U.S. Class D stations, or various licensed and unlicensed low-power AM stations throughout the world -- many stations do use LPB-type transmitters (made by LPB, Inc. or by various competitors), thus the interesting in adapting an LPB transmitter for use with an AM Stereo exciter. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 09 15:23:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89090 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2005 22:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2005 22:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2005 22:23:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2005 22:23:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2005 22:23:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 22:23:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1815 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.16.242 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: LPB + AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=6EwKaRehy3J6L9Eas0sdP3ZPBXKaxl9jCBGGhUyr4-LGVsaU X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Personally, I'd just stick to using the exciter as a mini- > > transmitter, since many (most?) are set up to do that. > > AM Stereo exciters do put out 5 to 10 watts, but this is not a fully > modulated C-Quam signal -- it has the carrier, pilot tone, and > quadrature modulation (L-R audio), but it's missing the amplitude- > modulated L+R audio. To provide a fully-modulated C-Quam signal > (including AM L+R audio) for testing and monitoring purposes, the > exciter provides a separate "TX Sample" output -- but this signal is > only in the range of 50 to 100 mW. Which is satisfactory for most community-wide broadcasting. > That's great if you want to use a commercial C-Quam exciter as a very > expensive Part 15 AM Stereo transmitter, but not so good if you're > trying to get a 1- to 50-watt AM Stereo signal on the air. In this > power range -- such as the "peanut-whistle" nighttime signals of U.S. > Class D stations, or various licensed and unlicensed low-power AM > stations throughout the world -- many stations do use LPB-type > transmitters (made by LPB, Inc. or by various competitors), thus the > interesting in adapting an LPB transmitter for use with an AM Stereo > exciter. Comparatively, a used C-QUAM exciter can be had for less than $300, whereas one of Chris' Alfredo Lites, if you get the deluxe version, will run $225, so... It's not that overly expensive. (Even the Ramsey fleapowers will run you ~$200 or more.) Otherwise, I personally don't see why not being able to install any AMS exciter to any transmitter- It just depends on how the LO is injected, whether crystal or solid-state. I don't think the LO voltage input is going to affect too much. YMMV. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jul 09 15:30:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11541 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2005 22:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2005 22:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.246.144.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2005 22:30:35 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.179.18]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.1.361.21) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:29:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c584d5$f2fb8ec0$12b30642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:31:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 64.246.144.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: LPB + AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=qIudh72T5Zd4CABsMwTISDzFuaZ4o4ak1sztUNvYvYqA4VXHABtfjcnN X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am now making ALL of the remaining transmitters with the "100 mw" output. Now, to keep it legal, you have to use the AC adapter I provide, as if you were to say, use a 15 volt AC adapter, it would accidently put out about 1 to 3 watts.... and we wouldn't want that, now would we...? >;-) BTW- it is now the 5th anniversary of the Alf lite. It was in July of 2000 I built the first one, which I have here- the second one went to Kevin T, and I have no idea where the other 198 are right now..... (well, I know where a few of them are- all I know is that there are lites on 6 continents.) cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 6:23 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From droland66@yahoo.com Sat Jul 09 16:31:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92463 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2005 23:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2005 23:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2005 23:31:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2005 23:31:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2005 23:31:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 23:31:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1230 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.128.238.135 From: "david roland" Subject: Re: bet CAM-D will X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=TJ1SR-VNSqqOeSwTCcxn6neXGj6_rRtq98JxCbWKEoIL8VSg X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > I beg to disagree. I heard a number of Kahn stations in the early > 80's, they sounded just as good as C-Quam if not better. And - Kahn > always had the advantage that two mono radios could be used to get a > stereo effect - if you just tuned one slightly off center high, and > the other off-center low. > > Have you tried listening to WOR on a non-digitally tuned radio, which > is not quite on frequency? The self-jamming effect gets dramatically > worse the further off frequency you get. In order for the phase > modulation of the 5-10 kHz sidebands to work to blank the digital > hash, you must be precisely on frequency! KMKI here ran 30 minutes of > dead air a couple of weeks back - I thought my radio had been tuned to > 610 or 630. But it was on 620, just not perfectly tuned. It took my > experienced hand to find the "null" where digital hash wasn't > present. Even then - there was a funny warbling in the audio. > > Don't take my word for it - try it!!! we all know IBOC does not work on AM! Kahn deserves a chance. he has spent millions of his own dollars and is not backed by any corporations. From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Sat Jul 09 18:49:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34423 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2005 01:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2005 01:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2005 01:49:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2005 01:48:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2005 01:48:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:48:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1030 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.11.87.236 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: Re: LPB + AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=I6Xyp89Pl9cRgVAmKbRKADTL7GPGAUxUklEXOUPra8Xs1_g2BIQmsPAi X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Personally, I'd just stick to using the exciter as a mini- > > transmitter, since many (most?) are set up to do that. > > AM Stereo exciters do put out 5 to 10 watts, but this is not a fully > modulated C-Quam signal -- it has the carrier, pilot tone, and > quadrature modulation (L-R audio), but it's missing the amplitude- > modulated L+R audio. To provide a fully-modulated C-Quam signal > (including AM L+R audio) for testing and monitoring purposes, the > exciter provides a separate "TX Sample" output -- but this signal is > only in the range of 50 to 100 mW. Hey Kevin-- Can you point me to a schematic of the transmitter that you want to use? If the transmitter is one where the oscillator runs at the transmitting frequency (and not at 2X or 4X the transmitting frequency), you could concievably make a few minor modifications to the oscillator stage to turn it into a preamp and then drive this stage with a very low level signal. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jul 09 19:56:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75240 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2005 02:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2005 02:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.82) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2005 02:56:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:56:07 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by BAY101-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 02:56:07 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 22:56:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2005 02:56:07.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB587320:01C584FA] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bet CAM-D will X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=NfPxJkz2_ajedy_dNyYL1FJxXwHtNBdFHm7O_SfOQP4yfAZSE5a7PwikfmWj6A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > sound like crap, like Kahn's other stuff. While PowerSide does sound like crap, the other Kahn products I have heard sound GREAT! The Kahn Good-N-Loud was one of the best sounding audio processors ever made, and Kahn ISB AM Stereo sounds MUCH better than C-QUAM (or HD-Radio) in all but perfect reception conditions. In my opinion, C-QUAM audio has more "Depth" than ISB has when listening to a local city grade signal. Kahn ISB has the advantage over both C-QUAM and HD-Radio due to the fact you get full Stereo seperation without degradation, platform motion, or blending all of the way to the edge of the analog signal. The only audio complaint I have ever heard about ISB is it can screw up Matrix surround sound to the point a Dolby Pro-Logic 2 chip cannot decode the sound without producing Front to Back platform motion. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 09 20:08:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97758 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2005 03:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2005 03:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2005 03:08:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2005 03:08:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2005 03:08:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:08:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c584d5$f2fb8ec0$12b30642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 226 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.16.242 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: LPB + AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=YCBRF1PVM9qYwCRnwNX2R3bciPFCzO3sLAw2E8qMeEktcnrW X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > (well, I know where a few of them are- all I know is that there are > lites on 6 continents.) Must...get....one...to...ANTARCTICA!! :D Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jul 09 20:21:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40001 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2005 03:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2005 03:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.77) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2005 03:21:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:21:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by BAY101-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:21:51 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 23:21:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2005 03:21:51.0751 (UTC) FILETIME=[83C98970:01C584FE] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.77 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bet CAM-D will X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=CZusihrFrblo4OP4LsICd4-ey0jVM96d-TsVnNo5piWQEZmV6xCsnDCusmIAzw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike wrote: > 3) Radio is not a major habit with the upcoming generation for music. They have the internet, I-POD's and other technical wonders. Their listening habits have radio as a 3rd or 4th choice for music, if at all This is because all of the "magic" has been removed from radio! Why would I want to listen to Clear Channel's IPOD aka "Jack Radio" when I can listen to my own IPOD without the picket fencing, multipath, and Stereo blending I hear when listening to "Jack Radio"? To attract the upcoming generation, radio should use the same things that used to attract us: Live DJs, On-Air call in requests, realistic contests, on-air pool parties, and all of the rest that made radio "cool". I would bet a "Full Service / Top-40" format like WLS had would be a numbers maker even today. Yes, I still have the cassette tape of me as a kid on a Larry Lujack Boogie Check! I also still have a "Mighty 690 Big Ape" T-Shirt I got at a WAPE pool party where they were broadcasting live from the transmitter cooling pool. Today's P.D.s could learn some very valuable lessons by listening to air checks of the old legendary Top 40 AMs. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 09 22:11:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82888 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2005 05:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2005 05:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2005 05:11:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2005 05:10:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2005 05:10:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:10:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1446 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.118.16.242 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: bet CAM-D will X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=KkQ9AWLgG0L2yalCscIfl0v09U4NH0lHEERqHQ6H8YeL8IFY X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Worth repeating, sorry.... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Mike wrote: > > 3) Radio is not a major habit with the upcoming generation for music. They have the internet, I-POD's and other technical wonders. Their listening habits have radio as a 3rd or 4th choice for music, if at all > > This is because all of the "magic" has been removed from radio! Why would I want to listen to Clear Channel's IPOD aka "Jack Radio" when I can listen to my own IPOD without the picket fencing, multipath, and Stereo blending I hear when listening to "Jack Radio"? > > To attract the upcoming generation, radio should use the same things that used to attract us: Live DJs, On-Air call in requests, realistic contests, on-air pool parties, and all of the rest that made radio "cool". I would bet a "Full Service / Top-40" format like WLS had would be a numbers maker even today. Yes, I still have the cassette tape of me as a kid on a Larry Lujack Boogie Check! I also still have a "Mighty 690 Big Ape" T-Shirt I got at a WAPE pool party where they were broadcasting live from the transmitter cooling pool. > > Today's P.D.s could learn some very valuable lessons by listening to air checks of the old legendary Top 40 AMs. Reminds me of Queen's "Radio Ga Ga": http://www.queenwords.com/lyrics/songs/sng19_03.shtml And they were right- Radio, someone still loves you. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Jul 09 23:59:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37768 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2005 06:59:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2005 06:59:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2005 06:59:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 23:59:42 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.206 by BAY106-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:59:41 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereo@bellsouth.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:59:41 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2005 06:59:42.0405 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2810F50:01C5851C] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: ClearChannel Potential Suitor for ABC O and O stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 From today's Stuart News (Sunday July 10, 2005): CLEAR CHANNEL EYES ABC RADIO STATIONS=20 A report in Radio and Record magazine hints that Clear Channel, owners of W= ZZR (94.3 FM) and WJNO (1290 AM), among other area stations, might be in th= e market to buy the ABC-owned radio stations.=20 Clear Channel Radio CEO John Hogan says that if ABC ever follows though wit= h its long-rumored sale of ABC Radio's owned and operated stations, his com= pany would be a potential suitor.=20 ABC doesn't own any radio stations on the Treasure Coast. However, the netw= ork's flagship outlet WABC (770 AM) in New York is heard as far south as Fl= orida after dusk on some nights.=20 - bob.betcher@scripps.com=20 From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Jul 10 00:10:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54881 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2005 07:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2005 07:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2005 07:10:11 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:10:09 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.206 by BAY106-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:10:09 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:10:09 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2005 07:10:09.0955 (UTC) FILETIME=[688D9730:01C5851E] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bet CAM-D will X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Amy wrote: >No, I do not have many kind words for > Mr. Kahn. >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Just curious, does anyone have any kind works for Ibiquity (IBOC)?? -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie Sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 21:25:41 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: bet CAM-D will --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON -=20 CEO" wrote: > I must agree with Mr. Ray on this one. Given Kahn's past performance=20 can=20 > you expect otherwise? I think I've made it clear just what I think of Leonard Kahn. He may=20 have spearheaded AM stereo in the '50s (he didn't invent it), but he=20 did much damage to the credibility of AM stereo, both in the '50s (and=20 effectively caused NAB and the FCC to scuttle AM stereo in favour of FM=20 stereo) and in the '80s, which we're still feeling the effects from. :( His AMS and Powerside ideas would've worked, had he put more thought=20 into their problems, instead of pushing them without listening to=20 others or taking in what others found as solutions to his mistakes. No, I do not have many kind words for Mr. Kahn. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Jul 10 05:43:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35285 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2005 12:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2005 12:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.139) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2005 12:43:22 -0000 Received: from storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 05441D702; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA00026; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:43:21 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAp4rHbtN5VZ+Uu6WLSTyAVboeCoQCFHgEyjLIzOLFXU6VyHsd79EB6IDp Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:43:21 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: abdx@abdx.org, ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com Message-ID: <23396-42D117E9-7632@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 10 Jul 2005 11:51:44 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo exciters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=m_8Y33T3WukIStgtUU7pRDXQfAB1NIeuiGjOXt6lmnmALyglPw X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Recently, I had the rare opportunity to see Omaha's oldest transmitter site, 590 AM The old WOW-AM site, now Big Sports Radio 590 KXSP. Scott Todd and myself helped to dissemble WOW's old RCA 5 Kw transmitter which Scott Todd acquired. Included with the transmitter was a rack of Kahn AM Stereo gear, exciter, mod monitor. etc... Quite interesting to see. KXSP still has a Motorola C-Quam exciter that they still which to keep. The info on AMS smartgroups - use of exciters, answered a lot of my questions. In my case, an Alfredo Lite seems to be the best way to broadcast power power AM. BTW _ we had several LBP transmitters when I went to school at Peru State in the 1970's. Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Jul 10 06:54:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22521 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2005 13:54:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2005 13:54:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.139) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2005 13:54:29 -0000 Received: from storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 5EC98D71D; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id GAA01583; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:51:28 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQjcqEoiyeRYFP5+cSNrNAvUetSUQIVALjDM0qG81o21CqvQf6cfYZhLGq4 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:51:28 -0500 To: ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones12@aol.com, billsnyder@webtv.net Cc: neil@1290kkar.com, bshears@1290kkar.com, brown@1290kkar.com Message-ID: <23399-42D127E0-3049@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Michael J. Richard" 's message of Sat, 9 Jul 2005 16:40:05 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: 80th anniv. of KOIL Omaha X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=arq9lQpPpw-7agitOB5ec6bnk7Tz8xXm-621LR-wZfJqB08xmg X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Hi. Today July 10th marks Omaha's 4th oldest radio station K O I L's 80th anniversary of broadcasting. Originally on 278 meters ~ 1080 Kcs KOIL commenced on July 10th, 1925 near Fairmont Park in Council Bluffs, Iowa KOIL later moved to it's long time dial position of 1290 Kcs about 1937 with transmitter on the South Omaha Bridge road in South Council Bluffs. SEE the KOIL Tribute website at http:// nebradio.tripod.com/koil.html Some KOIL HISTORY> The current 1290 site at 60th & Harrison on the border between South Omaha, and Bellevue went into use in 1966. 1290 KKAR and 1620 KOZN currently use this site. KOIL 1290 and KEFM 96.1 have a rare distinction of being taken off the air by the FCC in September 1976 due to various infractions. This during the Don W Burden era as Star Stations. An interim operator later got both stations back on the air later in 1976.. The KOIL studios were at the historic Aquila Courts Building, downtown and later at 8901 Indian Hills Drive in the KOIL Building, with very state of the art studios for the time.. 1968 to about 1980. The KOIL building won architectural awards for it's unique design and it is presently owned by Continental General Insurance. 1180 KKAR and 1290 KOIL switched frequencies in the late summer of 1993 after a long outage after the 1966 era KOIL transmitter had a serious fire in May 1993. KOIL become 1180 KOIL with nostalgic music, sports, and then Radio Disney. More recently KOIL was moved to 1020 taking over the old KOTD Plattsmouth frequency currently running a county music format. 1020 KOIL 50,000 watts at day, 1,000 watts directional at night. New Radio Group now owns KOIL, KKAR and their sisters. Both 96.1 and 103.7 fm have a KOIL connection. 96.1 started out as KFMX in 1948, again in Council Bluffs, Iowa , Moved to Downtown Omaha in 1959 with a tower on top of the Rorick Apts. The Rorick is being converted to condos and the World-Herald actually got something right!! mentioning the Rorick as the home of KICN, KOIL-FM, later KEFM. A severe storm in 1980 blew down the KOIL-FM ( KEFM ) tower on top of the Rorick. KEFM's license was turned in by KOIL after lengthy disputes over the storm damage. It's tower was later rebuilt By John Webster & Baker a few blocks away at the City Nat'l Bank Building which still serves as 96.1 KEFM's auxiliary transmitter site. About 1987 Valley Broadcasting Acquired 1290 KOIL and moved it's 103.7 FM (KJAN-FM) Atlantic, Iowa to Omaha, thus 103.7 KOMJ-FM was born as the FM side of KOIL (no relation to today's KOMJ on 1490) KOMJ morphed into today's KXKT Kat 103 FM Interestingly, BOTH Koil spinoff's KEFM and KXKT (Kat 103) are now owned by Clear Channel radio, along with KFAB, KGOR, and US93 3 KHUS. Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Jul 10 07:16:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94446 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2005 14:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2005 14:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm43.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.74) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2005 14:16:08 -0000 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.65]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6AEG9eA024016 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:16:10 -0400 X-ORBL: [68.72.58.26] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-72-58-26.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.72.58.26]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id j6AEG26H150670 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:16:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c58559$e9a7a9b0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:16:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0527-2, 07/08/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bet CAM-D will X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=gfXSwXKXjqI0xf9k-CIXZc6vRVS2zzE_0UcvE__9hQYTkkw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> To attract the upcoming generation, radio should use the same > things that used to attract us: Live DJs, On-Air call in requests, > realistic contests, on-air pool parties, and all of the rest that > made radio "cool". I would bet a "Full Service / Top-40" format like > WLS had would be a numbers maker even today. Yes, I still have the > cassette tape of me as a kid on a Larry Lujack Boogie Check! I also > still have a "Mighty 690 Big Ape" T-Shirt I got at a WAPE pool party > where they were broadcasting live from the transmitter cooling pool. You are living in the past. Radio cannot go back because Top 40 radio has splintered too much. Listen to your local Top 40 stations today. They don't play 1/10th the variety of yesterday's Top 40 station. There's no way a listener to Top 40 radio will sit through a record by 50 Cent, then a record by Shania Twain, followed by Michael Boulton followed by The Dixie Chicks, followed by Busta Ryhmes and Papa Roach. Yet those songs would be played if a mass-appeal format was tried again. As for air talent, there are plenty of guys out there who are as good as anyone who was on the air 30 year ago. Listen to Romeo on Z100 when you a free evening (they stream). He's as good as anyone I've ever heard. Sure, there are many stations that have liner-card readers and voice-trackers, but remember, there was only one Robert W, one Larry Lujack, one Dan Ingram and a lot of bad talent in between. By the way.. It was John Landecker who did the Boogie Check, not Lujack. -Jim- From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Jul 10 07:20:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76479 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2005 14:20:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2005 14:20:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2005 14:20:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:20:37 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:20:37 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:20:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2005 14:20:37.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B244CD0:01C5855A] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kind Words For IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=K5ZhW8Vf81gJzxYrWUp1KDXYonfehuI7IhcwoLj_abJq-23pGFTv X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 See the aforementioned Mr. Ray. MTGC >From: "Donn Tillman" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bet CAM-D will >Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:10:09 GMT >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.86 >X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] >X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com >Received: from n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.54]) by >mc10-f25.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 >00:10:13 -0700 >Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul >2005 07:10:12 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.97] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 >Jul 2005 07:10:12 -0000 >Received: (qmail 54881 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2005 07:10:11 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >10 Jul 2005 07:10:11 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.86) by >mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2005 07:10:11 -0000 >Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; >Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:10:09 -0700 >Received: from 65.54.161.206 by BAY106-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV;Sun, 10 Jul >2005 07:10:09 +0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGN0W1woaUM6lxEzDJHtKz9X7CutSs9Ar8= >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; >d=yahoogroups.com;b=RvnwwmIVV22oc6wGY9vEjsAX2lUB8W+sxfDH1DYNWl9EE4QWRKUo9P2ohB3xIWJ41yplwQkJpGEMAx1HAe7GJf/2nBBQliV0fI7STbei0ARlmps1Kjq+4qWltvw+Q2NK; >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2005 07:10:09.0955 (UTC) >FILETIME=[688D9730:01C5851E] >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-21438-1120979412-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com > >Amy wrote: > > >No, I do not have many kind words for > > Mr. Kahn. > > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > >Just curious, does anyone have any kind works for Ibiquity (IBOC)?? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Amy Mousie >Sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 21:25:41 -0700 >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: bet CAM-D will > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - >CEO" wrote: > > I must agree with Mr. Ray on this one. Given Kahn's past performance >can > > you expect otherwise? > >I think I've made it clear just what I think of Leonard Kahn. He may >have spearheaded AM stereo in the '50s (he didn't invent it), but he >did much damage to the credibility of AM stereo, both in the '50s (and >effectively caused NAB and the FCC to scuttle AM stereo in favour of FM >stereo) and in the '80s, which we're still feeling the effects from. :( > >His AMS and Powerside ideas would've worked, had he put more thought >into their problems, instead of pushing them without listening to >others or taking in what others found as solutions to his mistakes. > >No, I do not have many kind words for Mr. Kahn. > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Jul 10 09:51:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35513 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2005 16:51:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2005 16:51:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO omc3-s35.bay6.hotmail.com) (65.54.249.109) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2005 16:51:49 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.96]) by omc3-s35.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:51:39 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:51:39 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.206 by BAY106-DAV24.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:51:38 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:51:39 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2005 16:51:39.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4712630:01C5856F] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.249.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kind Words For IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 >See the aforementioned Mr. Ray Exactly! Does anyone, who does not have a relationship directly or through their emp= loyers with IBiquity have some kind and or encouraging words about IBiquity= and the IBOC system on the a.m. band ?? -----Original Message----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:20:37 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kind Words For IBOC See the aforementioned Mr. Ray. MTGC --- Original Message--- >From: "Donn Tillman" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Amy wrote: > > >No, I do not have many kind words for > > Mr. Kahn. > > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > >Just curious, does anyone have any kind works for Ibiquity (IBOC) ?? From bradleyj2@aol.com Sun Jul 10 20:07:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: BradleyJ2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41295 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2005 03:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2005 03:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2005 03:07:07 -0000 Received: from BradleyJ2@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.fc.16e49022 (16035); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-R33 (fwm-r33.webmail.aol.com [152.163.181.137]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID102-3ea342d1e24d34c; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:06:53 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:06:53 -0400 Message-Id: <8C753DCB8FED33E-A28-8590@FWM-R33.sysops.aol.com> References: <000b01c58559$e9a7a9b0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> Cc: jimbo@burgan.net Received: from 216.108.210.98 by FWM-R33.sysops.aol.com (152.163.181.137) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:06:52 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <000b01c58559$e9a7a9b0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.13071 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.137 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: bradleyj2@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bet CAM-D will X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168165669; y=Jp5pElYhBCXHdSIhh8Z7ZM3V0tqnZ5sLS0EzrcJRM_IIdWFHhZs X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not so fast Jim :-) Up until March 2005, a top-40 station existed that played what you give as an example. Before being sold to Styles Media, my station WKMX in Dothan, AL played anything from the Beatles, Beach Boys, CCR, Lulu, Devo, Pointer sisters, Faith Hill, 50 Cent, Snoop, ATC, 3 Doors down, Avril Lavigne, Mercy Me, Moby, Missy Elliot, etc. Now of course they were all heavily day/nightparted, but we were either number 1 or 2 in the Dothan Metro for years. Styles has, unfortunately, made WKMX a tight playlist Hot AC now :-( All of us in the building bitch and moan, but the corporate PD is also the owners nephew...Who btw has never worked in radio...but his uncle owns the damn place... Brad @ KMX -----Original Message----- From: Jim Burgan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:16:02 -0500 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bet CAM-D will >> To attract the upcoming generation, radio should use the same > things that used to attract us: Live DJs, On-Air call in requests, > realistic contests, on-air pool parties, and all of the rest that > made radio "cool". I would bet a "Full Service / Top-40" format like > WLS had would be a numbers maker even today. Yes, I still have the > cassette tape of me as a kid on a Larry Lujack Boogie Check! I also > still have a "Mighty 690 Big Ape" T-Shirt I got at a WAPE pool party > where they were broadcasting live from the transmitter cooling pool. You are living in the past. Radio cannot go back because Top 40 radio has splintered too much. Listen to your local Top 40 stations today. They don't play 1/10th the variety of yesterday's Top 40 station. There's no way a listener to Top 40 radio will sit through a record by 50 Cent, then a record by Shania Twain, followed by Michael Boulton followed by The Dixie Chicks, followed by Busta Ryhmes and Papa Roach. Yet those songs would be played if a mass-appeal format was tried again. As for air talent, there are plenty of guys out there who are as good as anyone who was on the air 30 year ago. Listen to Romeo on Z100 when you a free evening (they stream). He's as good as anyone I've ever heard. Sure, there are many stations that have liner-card readers and voice-trackers, but remember, there was only one Robert W, one Larry Lujack, one Dan Ingram and a lot of bad talent in between. By the way.. It was John Landecker who did the Boogie Check, not Lujack. -Jim- Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 10 20:20:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11698 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2005 03:20:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2005 03:20:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2005 03:20:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2005 03:19:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2005 03:19:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:19:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 502 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.74.128 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: LPB + AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=I4AV3wyhey9GOjc8BV2QgVqwcFv1erL6OcV0Np5KVjXvj1KceQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Can you point me to a schematic of the transmitter that you want to > use? If the transmitter is one where the oscillator runs at the > transmitting frequency (and not at 2X or 4X the transmitting > frequency), you could concievably make a few minor modifications to > the oscillator stage to turn it into a preamp and then drive this > stage with a very low level signal. Here's the schematic of LPB's most popular model, the AM-30: http://www.lpbinc.com/TechSupport/LPAM/Schematics/6004-B.pdf From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Mon Jul 11 00:40:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43744 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2005 07:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2005 07:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2005 07:40:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2005 07:39:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2005 07:39:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:39:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1139 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 199.2.193.171 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: Re: LPB + AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=ERLurYDeweOzAqdFYEU_xeNiSEo9zMd_z2iSecMQ5pEiM-YZGsCx_n8w X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon > Here's the schematic of LPB's most popular model, the AM-30: > > http://www.lpbinc.com/TechSupport/LPAM/Schematics/6004-B.pdf From the looks of the pinout on A4, I think that this might be a Motorola MC1496 balanced modulator; this is where the modulation is produced. The carrier goes into pin 10 at a low level--about 100 mV RMS. You could remove capacitor C15 and then capacitor-couple the carrier to pin 10 from an external source. Do this modification if you want to do the envelope modulation using the LPB's modulator. If you already have a complete C-Quam signal (with the envelope modulation) available, then you could remove C25 and capacitor-couple the signal to R28. The signal fed to this point would probably be in the range of 1-2 V RMS, as that is the output of the MC1496 is generally in that range. Regardless of which approach you take, I would first recommend running the transmitter into a dummy load and putting an oscilloscope on the appropriate signal injection point before you do any modifications. This way, you will know what level the injected signal will need to be, and you won't break anything. From rbrucecarter@yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 06:14:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rbrucecarter@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31943 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2005 13:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2005 13:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2005 13:14:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2005 13:13:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2005 13:13:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:13:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 495 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.91.75.29 From: "Bruce Carter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kind Words For IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116052011; y=Bn0QEx9FghD9ZidLFdZ63DX_KK515AS0-336MA32UKWYi-UwDqMo X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter All that I can say is that it seems to solve interference problems for a rarified subset of listeners in New York City. I have been able to hear the lower sideband of an IBOC station 330 miles or more away. This gives me some hope that IBOC range might be more than just over the cities - at a reduced bit rate and probably mono only. Of course, 330 mile daytime C-Quam stereo was no problem at all. So it doesn't solve stereo reception problems for fringe listeners, it degrades it. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 18:58:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69520 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 01:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2005 01:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2005 01:58:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2005 01:58:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2005 01:58:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 01:58:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 566 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.74.128 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: LPB + AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=Y4GK4BDWIWmg-EySgrht0TWkzPbBEfOQQhQ8fPfx6TQY69P2AQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If you already have a complete C-Quam signal (with the envelope > modulation) available, then you could remove C25 and capacitor- > couple the signal to R28. The signal fed to this point would > probably be in the range of 1-2 V RMS, as that is the output of the > MC1496 is generally in that range. That sounds like a perfect application for my Panasonic multi-system AM Stereo generator -- then I could have 30 watts of C-Quam, Kahn, Harris, or Magnavox AM Stereo on the air! (Fed into a Part 15-legal carrier current or "leaky coax" system, of course.) From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Jul 12 16:07:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18865 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 23:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2005 23:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2005 23:07:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2005 23:07:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2005 23:07:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:07:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 543 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.43.91 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Australia (Oz) with digital? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=pt-WYAcCY7Rkk0eqrN_ESqvgrPwicYT2ihKpt34_gTsF-2SLSw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan > And it can't come soon enough. At the moment in Melbourne we have no AM stereo music stations. > Magic still mono ? Bad news :-( ... http://www.m1ctk.v21hosting.co.uk/magic693.htm Did you buy a loop Ian ? Hopefully 2CA is still wonderful stereo from Canberra, signal crashes into Melly at nights DAB seemd a UK thing only, just about... 150 or more different DAB radios now.. I guess DAB has arrived too late for Oz, is it really needed though as to me there's a very good plethera of FM/AM stations certainly in Mel anyway :-) From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Wed Jul 13 10:47:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83205 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 17:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 17:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 17:46:59 -0000 Received: from [4.247.120.212] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DslJx-0008CJ-I2 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:46:58 -0400 Message-ID: <410-22005731317470812@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.21.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:47:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc0b6ff1963557d6185ef8441b4a48f117350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} WFLA 970 am X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 I notice that WFLA 970 kHz in Tampa now has a strong hiss on the adjacent channels. The hiss completely blocks 960, 980, & 990 kHz. It doesn't contain any extraneous sounds, like weak stations in the background or anything like that. Just a very strong hiss. I checked with two different car radios. None of the other am stations are displaying this kind of hiss. Does that mean WFLA is broadcasting in IBOC? Dick W. From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Jul 13 13:03:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35425 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 20:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 20:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao06.cox.net) (68.230.241.33) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 20:03:15 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050713200248.BCKS19494.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:02:48 -0400 In-Reply-To: <410-22005731317470812@earthlink.net> References: <410-22005731317470812@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2E3A9977-79BF-4110-858A-48AAF3F92026@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:02:49 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: KNX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=wHVL6ueXzPwHOVr2b9CC-7Eiv2OO1uGEIf3W4lDDqCFTyOX_aYnueMS2FP6- X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Anyone know why KNX turned off the IBOC? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 15:59:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7262 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 22:59:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 22:59:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 22:59:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 22:59:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 22:59:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:59:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <410-22005731317470812@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 176 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.72.1 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} WFLA 970 am X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=9h9hxzFyBvAJ58CcGilIqyC48MtcVOMWBzJjdhsw6Fyu82s5gg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > None of the other am stations are displaying this kind of > hiss. Does that mean WFLA is broadcasting in IBOC? 970 WFLA has been transmitting IBOC for quite a while now. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Jul 13 16:22:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2204 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 23:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 23:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 23:22:36 -0000 Received: from 209-165-14.23.lightspeed.net ([209.165.14.23] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DsqYk-00003M-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:22:35 -0400 Message-ID: <00be01c58801$bfa58dd0$170ea5d1@PossumHunter> To: References: <410-22005731317470812@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:22:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WFLA 970 am X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=hZDllLPpxvIgfGjD4XY_6g5hlCp7Dugmk7dZausRruJMu6s3cLpwfmZv5yBRSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick W wrote: > I notice that WFLA 970 kHz in Tampa now has a strong hiss on the adjacent channels. Does that mean WFLA is broadcasting in IBOC? Yes! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 16:30:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96549 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 23:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 23:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 23:30:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 23:30:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 23:30:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 23:30:09 -0000 X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2216 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 23:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 23:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 23:29:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 23:29:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 23:29:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 23:29:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:29:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2E3A9977-79BF-4110-858A-48AAF3F92026@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 326 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.181.196.176 From: "pianoplayer88key" Subject: Re: KNX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104; y=HE7Ug80FG6K-LSE4QGsTMZ7JA1vJHNgLSsH_AhJKjNQkg8d1NT3LBRbhSg X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Jul 2005 23:30:09 -0000 It was to set a Godly example for KDIS, just 40 kHz up the dial. Now, if only KDIS will take it a step farther and turn their C-Quam on, and make KNX realize that they are STILL living in sin......... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > Anyone know why KNX turned off the IBOC? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 16:31:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8222 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 23:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 23:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 23:31:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 23:31:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 23:31:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:31:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 163 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.72.1 From: "Kevin T." Subject: 560 WGAI selling their old TX on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=NVHgAnUid8luDBiGMzgkJXM4-G4ByQNvx0P_WeMRlTSzSnDUjw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics It's a Raytheon RA 1000... quite a beast, but it looks like they kept it pretty well maintained: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5788931809 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 16:38:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23385 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 23:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 23:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 23:38:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 23:38:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 23:38:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:38:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 229 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.162.222.143 From: "K8DAD" Subject: Magic 693 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=pduor8A3MBXgN3zYtE7uiHaa0FnRv7WzdL-xxpCJRQ2Y5hYMuihkvG4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Ian, and fellow Aussies, Is Magic 693 still in AM stereo, or not? I hope it is, but if the exciter crapped-out, perhaps you can have Magic 693 snag the one from our buddy in the EU who currently has an AMS exciter for sale?? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jul 13 18:04:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17987 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 01:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 01:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 01:04:49 -0000 X-Node: 1 Received: from stodd (modem0254-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.254]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j6E14k2K008887 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:04:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003201c58810$8d09a140$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000b01c58559$e9a7a9b0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:08:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: bet CAM-D will X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=1-FRNlRTEKuSWPGw-7nANXE_TCNl61j0k77C5VUmbcLn9WiOBvd2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They did boogie checks on the old U-100 (WYOO AM and FM) in MSP. Rob Sherwood was the guy who usually did them. The AM side is now KKMS where I work. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" > By the way.. It was John Landecker who did the Boogie Check, not Lujack. > -Jim- From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jul 13 18:10:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16370 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 01:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 01:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 01:10:47 -0000 X-Node: 3 Received: from stodd (modem0254-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.254]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j6E1AiGC001715 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:10:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006201c58811$627ce120$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:14:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Magic 693 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=sQSJ1O79LdMem0rMZgfodmDxHC-F0cTh8Iu30RD9RxztfkrcU1FF X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Bet just replacing all the electrolytics would cure it. No need for a new unit. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "K8DAD" > Ian, and fellow Aussies, > Is Magic 693 still in AM stereo, or not? I hope it is, but if the > exciter crapped-out, perhaps you can have Magic 693 snag the one from > our buddy in the EU who currently has an AMS exciter for sale?? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jul 13 18:13:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8439 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 01:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 01:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 01:13:04 -0000 X-Node: 4 Received: from stodd (modem0254-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.254]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j6E1D18K028208 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:13:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006801c58811$b48713a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <410-22005731317470812@earthlink.net> <2E3A9977-79BF-4110-858A-48AAF3F92026@cox.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:16:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KNX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=4CEq375ZgUW4WzgPhb5p0Wxq5ftN6CD_ycUT5HBoXcrHFnITLJE3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Don't know for sure, but most who have done it have done so to make technical adjustments, especially setting the impedance right at the input of the transmitter matching network. That goes a long ways to reducing or even eliminating self jamming. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" > Anyone know why KNX turned off the IBOC? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jul 13 18:25:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94664 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 01:25:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 01:25:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 01:25:25 -0000 X-Node: 1 Received: from stodd (modem0254-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.254]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j6E1PM2K008165 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:25:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009c01c58813$6e2b1300$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:29:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 560 WGAI selling their old TX on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=h04HZcnXi_vpd-1E_ZjwZsHNMlMTZJXB9YYGtvp2T5QwoU0KfS-0 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I should also point out that he'll never get what he's asking, though. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} 560 WGAI selling their old TX on eBay > It's a Raytheon RA 1000... quite a beast, but it looks like they kept > it pretty well maintained: > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jul 13 18:26:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31040 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 01:26:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 01:26:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 01:26:44 -0000 X-Node: 2 Received: from stodd (modem0254-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.254]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j6E1NCG1029590 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:23:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009801c58813$20593300$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:26:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 560 WGAI selling their old TX on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=K2oiMPNH2PwWvg4GthFRk8pr-iuqZNmZeqISiuJcy0Gg6cMddLHW X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Bet some east coast ham will lap it up quick. Got one in my own collection that I haven't bothered to put back together yet since the mod choke is zorched. Did get some replacement meters for it so I can remove the non stock Westinghouse ones that are in it. Got it up on some hefty casters to wheel it around, too. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > It's a Raytheon RA 1000... quite a beast, but it looks like they kept > it pretty well maintained: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5788931809 From naj_majji@yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 02:01:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: naj_majji@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12622 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 09:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 09:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 09:01:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2005 09:01:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2005 09:01:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:01:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 158 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 203.115.167.36 From: "Naj Majji" Subject: help! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167219200; y=DUPgzQRb3a5HDGuFzfaSj20JYmNjRzzvWpch1b2qOyD5y0mh X-Yahoo-Profile: naj_majji does anyone here have a schematic diagram of a simple AM transmitter? i just really need the circuito for our project. all i need is the basic one. thanks! From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Thu Jul 14 02:39:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6647 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 09:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 09:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 09:39:17 -0000 Received: from [4.247.125.21] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dt0BV-0007Ji-BL for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:39:13 -0400 Message-ID: <410-22005741493916953@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.21.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:39:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc4c17c9f0464890da283c6793b610bf37350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} WFLA 970 am X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Thanks to both Kevins for the info! Dick W. > Dick W wrote: > > I notice that WFLA 970 kHz in Tampa now has a strong hiss on the adjacent channels. Does that mean WFLA is broadcasting in IBOC? > > Yes! > > Kevin in Tampa From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 11:32:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86693 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 18:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 18:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 18:31:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2005 18:30:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2005 18:30:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:30:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 473 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.243.223 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: help! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=hgJ9dsPiFD9HGk_dCiwm_6aprT_Hd7ZBFJLQXC-C211ZRmYf X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Naj Majji" wrote: > does anyone here have a schematic diagram of a simple AM transmitter? i > just really need the circuito for our project. all i need is the basic > one. thanks! Let's see... http://www.scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/radio/am_transmitter.html http://www.metlin.org/electronics/samt.html I'm sure there are others, but I have a headache. Been unusually warm here on the bay. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Jul 14 16:39:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51784 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 23:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 23:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 23:39:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:39:37 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.210 by BAY106-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:39:36 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: Dick W , amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:39:36 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2005 23:39:37.0190 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BD5C060:01C588CD] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WFLA 970 am X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 I checked 970 WFLA around 7:30pm last night and I didn't detect IBOC at tha= t time; but today around 4:30pm I did notice it. I can say something good about IBOC (I'm going to emulate our Secretary of = Defense and find something good to say about a quagmire). One good thing a= bout the IBOC on WFLA, is that it completely obliterated 950 (Radio Reloj f= rom Cuba and the religious drivel from Orlando) and also jammed Radio Disne= y 990 from Orlando. The sad part was that it did not obliterate the actual 970 signal, a waste = of air space with the "Schnidt" as a talk show entertainer (pretending to b= e a journalist), who is full of "schnidt", maybe if 1010 goes IBOC, WFLA 97= 0 will be jammed in the Seffner/Thonotosassa/Brandon area, east of Tampa. From where I am I could still get stations on 940 (WINZ, Miami and a low po= wer EMS station). -----Original Message----- From: Dick W Sent: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 02:39:16 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WFLA 970 am Thanks to both Kevins for the info! Dick W. > Dick W wrote: > > I notice that WFLA 970 kHz in Tampa now has a strong hiss on the adjacent channels. Does that mean WFLA is broadcasting in IBOC? > > Yes! > > Kevin in Tampa From amstereoexp@yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 17:29:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoexp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36148 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 00:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 00:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54603.mail.yahoo.com) (68.142.225.187) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 00:28:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 91699 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2005 00:28:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20050715002858.91697.qmail@web54603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.72.1] by web54603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:28:58 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:28:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.225.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Kevin Tekel Subject: Fwd: Comment from The Official AM STEREO Web Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78550888; y=6V2DTr9Mah6ZHUcQ8uAcPVOVC_A2UxyO5hacFt2oGxPYVfdk1kI X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoexp --- "Wayne R. Miller" wrote: > Subject: Comment from The Official AM STEREO Web Site > Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:43:38 -0500 > From: "Wayne R. Miller" > To: > > Hey Kevin... > > Thanks for keeping AM Stereo alive....although I think it may be a lost > cause... > > In Peoria out AM are both stereo... > > 1290 WIRL Classic Country > 1470 WMBD News/Talk > > You may want to update the listings > > Thanks! > > > > Wayne R Miller, SBE > Chief Engineer > JMP Radio Group - Peoria IL > WMBD WSWT WIRL WPBG > wrm@jmpradio.com > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE. This e-mail message, along with any attachments, > may contain information that is privileged and confidential or otherwise > exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named > above. 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Thank you for your > assistance. > > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Jul 14 17:50:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77516 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 00:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 00:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 00:50:53 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.247.209.152.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.209.152] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DtEIV-0001Yg-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:43:23 -0400 Message-ID: <00d301c588d6$33c478a0$98d1f704@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:43:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WFLA 970 am X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Yhl6iqzRn8469KJIdXBdzPa0wcvZ9oyuQE4kkxCxcv43pWa5lkcLeuwRQoN31Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Donn Tillman wrote: > maybe if 1010 goes IBOC, WFLA 970 will be jammed in the Seffner/Thonotosassa/Brandon area, east of Tampa. That is one way Infinity could nail Clear Channel here in Tampa! Make 1010 WBZZ, http://www.1010thebuzz.com/ actually BUZZ! LOL AM radio sucks here in Tampa. Good thing I have a satellite dish! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Jul 14 18:42:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57875 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 01:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 01:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 01:42:17 -0000 X-Node: 3 Received: from stodd (modem0195-pli-tnt-mpls1.cpinternet.com [64.61.217.195]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j6F1eToR006570 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:40:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002b01c588de$b6232140$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20050715002858.91697.qmail@web54603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:44:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: Comment from The Official AM STEREO Web Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=fwJiGICmBuVJVEH0GOmWdAIXyR7KG4dEfcKwGprpEbEEvhWZcxhu X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I hope you offer profuse thanks from all of us for these gems when stations come forward to say they're still stereo. I can sometimes hear WIRL up here, though never clear enough to get stereo. They had the talk format back in the late 90s. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Tekel" > > --- "Wayne R. Miller" wrote: > > > Subject: Comment from The Official AM STEREO Web Site > > Hey Kevin... > > > > Thanks for keeping AM Stereo alive....although I think it may be a lost > > cause... > > > > In Peoria out AM are both stereo... > > > > 1290 WIRL Classic Country > > 1470 WMBD News/Talk > > > > You may want to update the listings > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > Wayne R Miller, SBE > > Chief Engineer > > JMP Radio Group - Peoria IL > > WMBD WSWT WIRL WPBG > > wrm@jmpradio.com From berettagtz@bonbon.net Fri Jul 15 07:29:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: berettagtz@bonbon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96618 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 14:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 14:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-out.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 14:29:52 -0000 Received: from bonbon.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by smtp-out.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 61920142800C for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slidingvmsjq3a (cpe-065-188-181-021.triad.res.rr.com [65.188.181.21]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E257E16E9A07 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:29:12 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <003201c58949$bf4eaf30$6400a8c0@slidingvmsjq3a> To: References: <009801c58813$20593300$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:30:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Originating-IP: 38.113.3.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Ernest Jones" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 560 WGAI selling their old TX on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174081060; y=2SVE5UxcB97DNOsYcLuE2hcrvwxMkaF_reF2eOHaKLbXJsTu X-Yahoo-Profile: e92fmjamz that transmitter is in mint condition (I feel its worth the money), I've seen this transmitter when it was in service and the engineer down there kept that thing in tip top shape when I used to hang out down there about 3 years ago, and it showed on the air as well, I did notice that WGAI has CP to move the transmitter location, I remember them having some trouble with the building foundation and the roof the past few years. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:26 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} 560 WGAI selling their old TX on eBay > Bet some east coast ham will lap it up quick. Got one in my own > collection > that I haven't bothered to put back together yet since the mod choke is > zorched. Did get some replacement meters for it so I can remove the non > stock Westinghouse ones that are in it. Got it up on some hefty casters > to > wheel it around, too. > > Scott > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin T." > > > >> It's a Raytheon RA 1000... quite a beast, but it looks like they kept >> it pretty well maintained: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5788931809 > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 15 11:39:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96686 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 18:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 18:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 18:39:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2005 18:39:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2005 18:39:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:39:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006201c58811$627ce120$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 676 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.72.1 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Magic 693 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=IA-vJymn4n20CKO1NrM4LYQK3g25FH7gOoGFVyxpxa8ApXWfVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Bet just replacing all the electrolytics would cure it. No need > for a new unit. > > Scott Todd Very true... I just worked on a CRL SMP-900 audio processor. Its dematrixing circuit (which converts the processed L+R / L-R audio back into discrete L & R channels, to feed into the C-Quam exciter) wasn't working correctly, and the diagnosis was a single bad electrolytic capacitor. Its big power supply filter caps were replaced in 1992 (as the technician's sticker inside it says), but all the other components looked to be original, with date codes of 1982 and 1983 (except for the added-on NRSC pre-emphasis/filtering board, which was retrofitted in 1989). From naj_majji@yahoo.com Fri Jul 15 12:34:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: naj_majji@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42005 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 19:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 19:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.185) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 19:33:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 2428 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2005 19:33:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20050715193358.2426.qmail@web31705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [61.9.55.25] by web31705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:33:58 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:33:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: naj brudi Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: help! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167219200; y=FEngbK4aDAIGPpRrwaiaC5T0vqyG6lT1KWlwkVmW094ZAJ3z X-Yahoo-Profile: naj_majji i appreciate you help. thank you very much! --- Amy Mousie wrote: > Let's see... > http://www.scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/radio/am_transmitter.html > http://www.metlin.org/electronics/samt.html > > I'm sure there are others, but I have a headache. > Been unusually warm > here on the bay. :( > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > live and let live...because life is full of ambition fueled by passion __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Fri Jul 15 22:52:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 597 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2005 05:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2005 05:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au) (150.229.7.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2005 05:52:32 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au (138.194.3.56) by act-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au with ESMTP; 16 Jul 2005 15:52:29 +1000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,294,1114956000"; d="scan'208"; a="54370057:sNHT23497720" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:52:28 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:52:27 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Australia (Oz) with digital? Thread-Index: AcWHNoV8reSpglaCTxmR8T27kmkmOQCjJLyA To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2005 05:52:28.0003 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C4AAB30:01C589CA] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Australia (Oz) with digital? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=GbnpgqOoh9LMRdwVzyJw8AOO5z7SUfXpPuSQdF3oqbAx UK Dave said ... > Magic still mono ? Bad news :-( ... > Did you buy a loop Ian ? Hopefully 2CA is still wonderful stereo > from Canberra, signal crashes into Melly at nights Yo Dave I didn't buy a Turk loop antenna as I'm never really going to be able to en= joy 2CA for long periods. I can get it on the SRF-42 at night but you woul= dn't want to listen for too long. After all Canberra is 350 miles away. =20 > DAB seemed a UK thing only, just about... 150 or more different > DAB radios now.. > > I guess DAB has arrived too late for Oz, is it really needed though > as to me there's a very good plethera of FM/AM stations certainly > in Mel anyway :-) Unfortunately Dave I have to say Yes! AM stereo is now effectively dead here - and most people have no idea what = they've missed. I'm hoping that Magic 693 will come back in stereo and sta= y that way until they're allowed to simulcast in analog and DAB. DAB may be old technology. But like C-quam ... it works! I can remember eagerly awaiting the arrival of commercial FM radio here in = 1980. We'd been treated with community FM stations since 1975 and the soun= d was great (and still is). For 5 years most radios did have an FM band so= most people could hear it when it arrived. Never was I so disappointed - = but it was the PROGRAMMING. Then I eagerly awaited the arrival of AM stereo in 1985 and I wasn't disapp= ointed - except that receivers were always too hard to get. The reason I l= oved it was the PROGRAMMING. All of a sudden we had 3KZ, 3MP, 3DB, (Me too= !) 3XY, 3AK, the Greater 3UZ, and talk stations 3AW and 3LO sounding as goo= d as FM stations.=20=20 What DAB will do for us is provide a level playing field for the AM station= s. And it should suit the Australian market as most Aussies are clustered = around big coastal metropolitan areas. DRM may prove to be the go for the = 25% who live in regional areas. I recently read that in 2004 15% of sales in the UK have been DAB radios. = And 35% of portable radios. It may not be overwhelming but these figures a= re much better than what AM stereo ever achieved here. I have to say - Bring it on! btw Dave ... I have a confession to make. That little wire that you lost = ... that converts the bonza little Sony radio socket to a normal headphone = socket ... You left it here. I haven't used it yet but it surely will co= me in handy. I love those "new" little Sony walkmans. I still have three = of them. As you infer ... Aussie radio is alive and well. Most people wouldn't thin= k anything was necessary as a great move forward. But to me DAB will prove= to be a sensation - as I'll be able to listen to all our (they're pretty g= ood!) AM stations in hi-fi stereo. And as has been said here so often ... = it's the programming! I still love AM stereo so much. It's been a wonderful but rocky 20 years. Ian Melbourne =20 From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sat Jul 16 06:59:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13007 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2005 13:59:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2005 13:59:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2005 13:59:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2005 13:59:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2005 13:59:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:59:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 140 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.174.242 From: "Tom" Subject: KHTK Back In Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=jip3tQEUUSqExZVmmGdUmS0lJ3Xfk8anS_kVTHzsgxtwsnoeT_Pb63U5 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 The stereo light came on when I tuned in KHTK 1140 out of Sacramento today. Any music didn't sound like stereo. Anyone else notice this? From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 16 15:02:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66749 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2005 22:02:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2005 22:02:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.202) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2005 22:02:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 51410 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2005 22:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.124.96.147 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2005 22:02:19 -0000 Message-ID: <001101bf5436$641491a0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: Cc: "Jim Smith" Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 00:58:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Subject: KTHK AM 1140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=4q59oCD9JshSaENMLT3BfbkXxul6AmSqfzMtqNOaaoMnhRsCwXiRY-z15j_MONX2V62-lCyr X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang KHTK AM 1140 still are mono as of 3:00 pm pst. At night my older am stereo's fall's am stereo 1140 am all night long. Dose any one have a scamatic for a Harris AMS G1 Am Stereo exciter? Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 16 19:39:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52020 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2005 02:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2005 02:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2005 02:39:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2005 02:39:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2005 02:39:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 02:39:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101bf5436$641491a0$c188fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 763 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.247.157 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: KTHK AM 1140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=T0LspUlfrG-A2lW8StDMmkjtmdeabpoE0kJIMXXMnv05TGMu X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie KTHK's (the former KRAK) nighttime transmitter is the same AMS transmitter they used to use when they were KRAK AM stereo. I can confirm that in LOCAL nighttime reception, when I was down in Sacramento in March, the TX does still trigger the C-QUAM pilot on my Aiwa, which leads me to conclude that it isn't mere falsing, but the pilot is still there, only much reduced- Reduced enough that it will trigger the stereo, but only on somme conditions. (Has something to do with phasing.) The station is still otherwise very much mono ever since it dumped the KRAK country format years ago. :( I've noticed similar reduced-pilot "falsing" on some other former AMS stations that still use their AMS-outfitted TXes. Might be a Harris thing. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 17 02:06:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82558 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2005 09:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2005 09:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2005 09:06:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2005 09:03:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2005 09:03:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2005 09:03:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 09:03:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1066 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.124.14.4 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KTHK AM 1140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=frGP-TnKr4n6W9lIMEw6JjIMVSH0AouffKt6PNTYftHSyxmt38ryeHA7U39cnPnANEKr2aww X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > KTHK's (the former KRAK) nighttime transmitter is the same AMS > transmitter they used to use when they were KRAK AM stereo. I can > confirm that in LOCAL nighttime reception, when I was down in > Sacramento in March, the TX does still trigger the C-QUAM pilot on my > Aiwa, which leads me to conclude that it isn't mere falsing, but the > pilot is still there, only much reduced- Reduced enough that it will > trigger the stereo, but only on somme conditions. (Has something to do > with phasing.) The station is still otherwise very much mono ever since > it dumped the KRAK country format years ago. :( > > I've noticed similar reduced-pilot "falsing" on some other former AMS > stations that still use their AMS-outfitted TXes. Might be a Harris > thing. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Hi Gang I still have all was got 1140 am very pore at night. Thay sound a lot better dering the day now than when thay where KRAK AM 1140. I still miss KRAK AM 1140 and 1470. Jim Smith From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sun Jul 17 07:52:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9847 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2005 14:52:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2005 14:52:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2005 14:52:39 -0000 Received: from [4.247.125.83] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DuAVQ-0000yl-MB for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:52:37 -0400 Message-ID: <410-220057017145258281@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.21.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:52:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc26b4e7ba731404ee4a1058d76c8ef313350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: OT: ReelRadio - Uncle Ricky X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 I'm sure most of our group knows that ReelRadio is a website that features airchecks of classic Top-40 radio stations. It is maintained by "Uncle Ricky" (Richard Irwin). Following is the text of a letter he has posted on the website. Perhaps there is someone in our group who would be in a position to offer him some assistance. Dick W. _____________________ "Uncle Ricky" said: I have resisted placing this message online for several months. REELRADIO should never be about "me." But I was encouraged by friends to do so and at this point, I believe it is necessary. In fact, it is somewhat urgent. For nearly all of the nine-plus years I have volunteered my limited talents to the Reel Top 40 Radio Repository, first as a hobby and now as a non-profit organization, I have been employed in unrelated work that paid well. My employment paid well enough to buy high-speed Internet access, computers, recording machines, office supplies, audio and video gadgets and a lot of blank media. The luxury of that employment allowed me to keep my modest 24-year-old home, where I have about 300 square feet devoted to office space, archive storage, and equipment for REELRADIO. The bad news: I have been out of work for over a year. I've applied for dozens of locally-advertised jobs for which I was qualified, and only got two interviews. One was a radio job (thanks to an old radio friend) and the other was a software job. The money I've been living on is almost gone. And so, even though it is inappropriate, I have decided to use this website to advertise my availability for work. What will happen? The intended result of posting this message is to find work for me. If you are in need of any service that I can provide as a telecommuter, part-time or contract, or even full-time employee, I would like to hear from you. Briefly, I do Web application development, Web Management and Web Maintenance. I also very much enjoy producing and mastering digital media. Here is my resume, (PDF, right-click to download.) Serious offers only, please, just write me email, thanks. Please note that I worked in radio for thirty years, but little of that experience is reflected in the resume. Sometimes, I miss being behind a microphone. For those who are looking for an unknown voice, here's a short (1:45) voice demo in MP3 format (right-click to download.) It features some of the last production work I did in 1994, and some of my "performance" for Memorial Day 2004 with Tom Kent. Please note, I haven't been a DJ since 1979. I was a Production Director, Program Director, or Operations Manager for most of my broadcast career. If you know someone who might be in a position to offer me work, maybe you will forward the URL of this page to them. I am hoping I will not need to move for employment. Moving would disrupt the ongoing maintenance of the Repository. On the other hand, if I am unable to generate income for myself here in Sacramento, that will also disrupt the ongoing maintenance of the Repository. So sure, I'll move for the right opportunity, but I would rather stay here and work on contract projects for a lot of people. For REELRADIO supporters: Please continue to support this organization. If my lack of personal income results in my inability to maintain the site, I'll work with CFO/Secretary Mike Scott to quickly expand the Board, select a new President, and the expanded Board of Directors can select a new Curator. REELRADIO will continue, even if I am no longer a part of it and nothing new appears for a few weeks or months. While I could surely lose my home in a short period of time, you will NOT lose the REELRADIO Repository, or any of the other websites hosted by REELRADIO, Inc. It will continue beyond the current limits of our bank account as long as your tax-deductible support continues. The corporation can continue to operate all our servers until this time next year, even if we never receive another dime. This is not a small accomplishment! We require lots of bandwidth to stream media, and we pay music licensing fees, too. As wonderful as all this is, unfortunately, support for REELRADIO isn't sufficient to pay me a salary. There is no question that the REELRADIO REPOSITORY has been and IS a very special Internet Success Story. The Sacramento newspaper has never heard of REELRADIO, but we were a carefully guarded secret of The New York Times. Is it possible that there isn't a decent media or technology job for old Uncle Ricky anywhere in Sacramento, or anywhere in the world? My best to you. Thanks for your time and any assistance you can offer. Richard W. Irwin "Uncle Ricky" From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Jul 17 16:40:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20887 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2005 23:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2005 23:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2005 23:40:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2005 23:40:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2005 23:40:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2005 23:40:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:40:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 47 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.45.183 From: "Dave" Subject: UK page about AM stereo tests in 1990 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=jROmZF41f8rUkugus8jh35Vaa6N7MjjXPYuK5IQO1AfZxsIAOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan http://www.vintagebroadcasting.org.uk/amst.htm From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sun Jul 17 16:49:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67965 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2005 23:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2005 23:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2005 23:49:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2005 23:49:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2005 23:49:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:49:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 107 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.117.151 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: KTHK AM 1140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=0jsy4cE1RqaUqS5AE2sBJwemL1mi2AG7xONYdaEH_t4R_SdWpOPeIbVn X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Figures.... I was using a Realistic TM 152 tuner to get it. At least the light got some exercise. Tom From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 18 20:44:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29760 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 03:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 03:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.205) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 03:44:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 83063 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 03:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.124.96.119 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 03:44:13 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01bf546c$98f5a5e0$c188fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "Jim Smith" Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 07:26:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: Subject: KCTC AM 1320 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=yaZ0xmik3NZguO8AT9LxxCC8eChA2RfhDgG318TuaW29MSONkIvXrvRZSi4NlIToxZMJHSan X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Dead air is very strang for KCTC AM 1320!!!!! 8:45 pm pst Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 07:39:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45807 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 14:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 14:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 14:39:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 86659 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2005 14:39:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20050719143909.86657.qmail@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:39:09 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:39:09 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John P." Subject: OT rant about Radio Lifetime Achievement Award X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=3Buy85aNktufaZ9bovgAjqbYKp_2ZDjTNAkZcriWVlrNFWqXzImkGPc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio This is very off-topic, but how can someone write this with a serious look on thier face?... From Radio Ink: "Clear Channel Co-Founder/Chairman L. Lowry Mays was recognized with Radio Ink's "Life Time Leadership" award for his dedication, commitment, and stewardship to the radio industry" In my opinion, he has never cared about stewardship, and has done more to destroy radio than anyone else in history. The only commitment he has to radio is to make a profit and destroy the little guy with no respect for the heritage stations - just ask all of the local stations that had their news departments abolished and staff terminated; AM stereo generators turned off; bandwidth reduced to 5KHz; and worst of all - why go live during local emergencies when you can leave the syndicated talk show on, or hours old voicetracking! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Jul 19 07:55:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50990 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 14:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 14:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.33) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 14:55:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:55:46 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:55:46 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050719143909.86657.qmail@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:55:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2005 14:55:46.0892 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1FBA0C0:01C58C71] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT rant about Radio Lifetime Achievement Award X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=N08p4uUjA0JCoWUffaZrXQyvezCADXRLpOxUd-D-oBIjquXHSwsc X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 I have to agree. MTGC (Michael) >From: "John P." >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" >Subject: {AMSF} OT rant about Radio Lifetime Achievement Award >Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:39:09 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 >X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com >Received: from n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.53]) by >mc5-f25.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 19 Jul 2005 >07:43:02 -0700 >Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul >2005 14:39:13 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.33] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 >Jul 2005 14:39:13 -0000 >Received: (qmail 45807 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 14:39:10 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >19 Jul 2005 14:39:10 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) >by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 14:39:10 -0000 >Received: (qmail 86659 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2005 14:39:09 -0000 >Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; >Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:39:09 PDT >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGEfYjpVIOZotxF5G81J5oyjmC6RKqN9dA= >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; >d=yahoogroups.com;b=iQdDfs1hSoZD1jqiEpc5wwTIoMEI47//gjzo08TaAZfTSxqgn35EDf0BEvKvx3+qxb/YOZBGctx4Wql4uJpb4fvFxiL4pxVC7AdeRrEUlbJ+iEGbvYxx6kafa7pCuUeh; >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 >X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-21481-1121783952-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2005 14:43:02.0686 (UTC) >FILETIME=[2A7B0BE0:01C58C70] > >This is very off-topic, but how can someone write this with a serious look >on >thier face?... > >From Radio Ink: "Clear Channel Co-Founder/Chairman L. Lowry Mays was >recognized >with Radio Ink's "Life Time Leadership" award for his dedication, >commitment, >and stewardship to the radio industry" > >In my opinion, he has never cared about stewardship, and has done more to >destroy radio than anyone else in history. The only commitment he has to >radio >is to make a profit and destroy the little guy with no respect for the >heritage >stations - just ask all of the local stations that had their news >departments >abolished and staff terminated; AM stereo generators turned off; bandwidth >reduced to 5KHz; and worst of all - why go live during local emergencies >when >you can leave the syndicated talk show on, or hours old voicetracking! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jul 19 15:29:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71037 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 22:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 22:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.246.144.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 22:29:06 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.187.53]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.1.361.21) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:28:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c58cb1$65f9d8e0$35bb0642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:29:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 64.246.144.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: OT- Songs you don't hear anymore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=xHIYOZ8dJ2gv4VxSA05xvPPcOsjP4tT67Hdhu9nHQXNca6yEPQtlqU5v X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While loading up my MP3 players for the big Radio show in Rochester next month, I was listening to some long forgotten records, and one I played was "Speedy Gonzalez" by Pat Boone- (great separation, BTW) It got me thinking about whether you would ever hear that record played today on any radio station? The song by today's standards would not be quite politically correct- I was wondering about other records that are in that same boat- Anyone have any they can think of that got airtime way back when, but would likely NOT be played today? Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kjones_731@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 15:38:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57591 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 22:38:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 22:38:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81903.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.182) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 22:38:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 67707 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2005 22:38:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20050719223834.67705.qmail@web81903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.77.184.249] by web81903.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:38:34 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:38:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000701c58cb1$65f9d8e0$35bb0642@4bmx301> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Kirk Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=m7S31gYry1L4ttFdvXJde6A0L8mK5d2wt5ReJLUfYZuPYJ5uFw X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 Ahab The Arab Ray Stevens Might here this in the year 2525. Anyone have any they can think of that got airtime way back when, > but would likely NOT be played today? > Chris From kya1260@lycos.com Tue Jul 19 16:20:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72408 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 23:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 23:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 23:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id AA0E418001DE for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:20:00 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 19 Jul 2005 23:20:00 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 99D19C612E; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:20:00 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [69.109.105.121] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:20:00 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:20:00 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050719232000.99D19C612E@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=FKi3vwZnsSbRU3U3oJ56iCncIVhZcNMPKIuJpD_KRt49mQZ_uw X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ On this past Saturday's "GoldVine," I played "Big Bruce" by=20 Steve Greenberg, a minor 1969 hit; it's a 'gay' parody of=20 Jimmy Dean's "Big Bad John"...and has yet to make it onto CD... "Tijuana Border" by El Clod - the 1961 parody of Claude King's "Wolverton Mountain" - could also be politically incorrect=20 for radio, though Dr. Demento played it into the 1980s... Most younger women today do NOT like Jack Jones' 1963 hit=20 "Wives And Lovers"...it's still played on the "Music Of Your=20 Life" syndicated format, however... --jay What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Jones" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:38:34 -0700 (PDT) >=20 > Ahab The Arab Ray Stevens > Might here this in the year 2525. >=20 > Anyone have any they can think of that got airtime > way back when, > > but would likely NOT be played today? > > Chris --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Wed Jul 20 06:21:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17199 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 13:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 13:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 13:21:32 -0000 Received: from [4.247.126.235] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DvEVv-0005Kt-2M for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:21:31 -0400 Message-ID: <410-220057320132137453@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.21.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:21:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc50e87e684edd205cee80b202c3074d2d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Some people got bent out of shape from Paul Anka's "Having My Baby". Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Jay Arnold > To: > Date: 7/19/2005 7:20:00 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore > > On this past Saturday's "GoldVine," I played "Big Bruce" by > Steve Greenberg, a minor 1969 hit; it's a 'gay' parody of > Jimmy Dean's "Big Bad John"...and has yet to make it onto CD... > > "Tijuana Border" by El Clod - the 1961 parody of Claude King's > "Wolverton Mountain" - could also be politically incorrect > for radio, though Dr. Demento played it into the 1980s... > > Most younger women today do NOT like Jack Jones' 1963 hit > "Wives And Lovers"...it's still played on the "Music Of Your > Life" syndicated format, however... > --jay > > What's the GoldVine about? > < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kirk Jones" > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore > Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:38:34 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > Ahab The Arab Ray Stevens > > Might here this in the year 2525. > > > > Anyone have any they can think of that got airtime > > way back when, > > > but would likely NOT be played today? > > > Chris From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Jul 20 08:59:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50206 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 15:59:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 15:59:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 15:59:12 -0000 Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.203]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6KFwggZ027241 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:58:42 -0400 X-ORBL: [68.72.59.13] Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-72-59-13.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.72.59.13]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id j6KFx4L0238524 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:59:08 -0400 Message-ID: <003201c58d43$f7d45460$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <000701c58cb1$65f9d8e0$35bb0642@4bmx301> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:59:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0529-1, 07/20/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=9hc13XpZFKQ1bguUnhWnYjLkvNimTjQrEcYvvf6ThM6PsPY X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Chris Cuff wrote: > While loading up my MP3 players for the big Radio show in Rochester > next month, I was listening to some long forgotten records, and one I > played was "Speedy Gonzalez" by Pat Boone- (great separation, BTW) > It got me thinking about whether you would ever hear that record played > today on any radio station? The song by today's standards would not be > quite politically correct- I was wondering about other records that are in > that same boat- Anyone have any they can think of that got airtime way > back when, but would likely NOT be played today? I'm not sure if you are talking about records that don't get played because they're not politically correct, or for any reason, but here are some that I hardly ever hear on our Oldies station or Gold Based AC. There are a bunch of novelty records and records with spoken-word rather than singing that get no airplay on Oldies stations or Gold-Based-AC's. Ray Stevens' "Ahab the Arab" falls in the category as a novelty record, along with "The Streak" and "Along Came Jones", and they rarely get airplay. Spoken word records such as Commander Cody's "Hot Rod Lincoln", and Charley Daniels "Uneasy Rider" rarely get airplay, and a very dated, spoken-word record, Byron McGregor's "The Americans" (or Gordon Sinclair's version) rarely gets played too. Then there were all of those 'flying saucer' records, made up of clips from other hit records, such as Dickie Goodman's "Mr. Jaws" and The Delegates "Convention '72" (one of the best of this genre). Other than an occasional spin by Dick Bartley on his Saturday Night oldies show, they hardly ever get played. Then there were song that just got burned out so bad when they were hits that they don't test well today. A good example of this is Debbie Boone's "You Light Up My Life". At the time it was the biggest-selling hit record of all time and topped Billboard's Hot 100 for 10 consecutive weeks. Every time you turned on the radio "You Light My Life" was playing. It was an A current for over 3 months, getting played every 2 hours. Just thinking of it makes me want to puke. It was a good song but radio killed it. Fortunately, it doesn't test well and rarely gets played on any radio format. Even Delilah doesn't play it :-) -Jim- From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 11:15:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48618 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 18:15:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 18:15:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.159) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 18:15:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 52595 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jul 2005 18:15:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20050720181503.52593.qmail@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:15:03 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:15:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John P." Subject: OT: Stereo songs not played on broadcast radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=C4QZGGHlnVDq2RT0osFIMHIqnLQexiI_YXv2-PBYD96Y_egnahr859o X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Wow - this is pretty spooky - I was listening to XM Radio during lunch today (Wednesday 12:30pm EDT), and on the "60's on 6" they played "Ahab the Arab" - I too was wondering if that was too politically incorrect, but ya know what, who cares? I also know that I have heard both Commander Cody's "Hot Rod Lincoln", and Charley Daniels "Uneasy Rider" several times on XM, with the later almost played too much. Over 4th of July weekend XM played the song from our old CKLW newsman Byron McGregor's "The Americans". And last but not least, one of my favorite novelty records got played about a month ago on XM 7, and that is The Delegates "Convention '72" (I still have the 'cutout' 45rpm version too)! So in short, the only way to hear the songs that we actually heard on the radio in the late 60s, and 70s is to go to XM satellite radio. Too bad 'free radio' can't be like that anymore. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Jul 20 12:06:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68194 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 19:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 19:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.241.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 19:06:44 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050720190643.RMGG12158.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:06:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050720181503.52593.qmail@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050720181503.52593.qmail@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:06:40 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Stereo songs not played on broadcast radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=biDIQlShff1Vb5zBUaCz3B020A0G5O7lUcGkVr09-ATbfMIlUfGcWGeRQdUb X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I HAVE THAT ONE TOO!!! I think it is still funny, all this time later. On Jul 20, 2005, at 11:15 AM, John P. wrote: > And last but not least, one of my favorite novelty records got > played about a > month ago on XM 7, and that is The Delegates "Convention '72" (I > still have the > 'cutout' 45rpm version too)! From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jul 20 15:22:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47487 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 22:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 22:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.246.144.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 22:22:22 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.190.17]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.1.361.21) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:21:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c58d79$9f0b3c00$11be0642@4bmx301> To: References: <000701c58cb1$65f9d8e0$35bb0642@4bmx301> <003201c58d43$f7d45460$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:23:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 64.246.144.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=P4IFvfPJEbhlt51u6ZGG90enQWQYfTU0swqvq1s_Jl0-9T6yXekno07w X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah- I was referring to non-PC records. But I do have a lot of novelty stuff I love, even tho' it is too outdated for airplay today- I loved Tom Lehrer, and his classic album "That was the week that was" Also, Alan Sherman had some laugh out loud funny stuff that I still play today- Not just "Hello Mudda, Hello Fadda" Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Burgan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 11:59 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore I'm not sure if you are talking about records that don't get played because they're not politically correct, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jul 20 15:24:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19328 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 22:24:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 22:24:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.246.144.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 22:24:28 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.190.17]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.1.361.21) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:23:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c58d79$eb072380$11be0642@4bmx301> To: References: <410-220057320132137453@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:25:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 64.246.144.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=5euedSpEogaGszfdv0mojXUECX96qYZOy7FMPzBi4jFOqOzSnDBEFEfr X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EEewwww...... That was one of my all time most hated songs ever.... I need a Rolaid now. BTW- Where is Powell? cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick W To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:21 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore Some people got bent out of shape from Paul Anka's "Having My Baby". Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 15:56:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58367 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 22:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 22:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52409.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.172) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 22:56:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 70310 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jul 2005 22:56:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20050720225609.70308.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.237] by web52409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:56:09 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:56:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c58d79$eb072380$11be0642@4bmx301> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=o2oaNLTgM8-atMLzao5MkDgBLJmCBXs3PPFym0lTlHE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Chris Cuff wrote: > EEewwww...... That was one of my all time most hated > songs ever.... I need a Rolaid now. BTW- Where is > Powell? Right here. How about some of the Donnie Osmond songs? Puppy Love? Powell ( ducking !) w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Wed Jul 20 20:50:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20215 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 03:50:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 03:50:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 03:50:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 03:49:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 03:49:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:49:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050720225609.70308.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 921 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:9:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.164.67.32 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Pushing IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=GRguvPTtUZzhA1WDuvzMluveAGpb_avDfkxItM6vaXt_fW3HaEm98g X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 Not much has been said here about the NAB pushing the FCC to rule on implimenting NRSC-5 IBOC. As one considers this news along with Jack radio, me-too podcasting, the attempt to clip the wings of satellite radio through legislation, as well as the proposed legislation to role back and restrict media ownership, one can see the sweat beads of desperation rolling off the collective bald pates of corporate radio. Of course this push for IBOC goes hand in glove with iBiquity's colossal wet dream of eventually having the entire AM/FM bands broadcasting in digital only mode (if I read their website correctly). But now that it's been shown that IBOC for AM is, for the most part, impractical; will the FCC be goaded into making it mandatory for both bands, or will it be FM only, or will they take a "let the marketplace decide" attitude? And whither Kahn's CAM-D or DRM, will the FCC allow them in? db From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Thu Jul 21 03:08:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88426 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 10:08:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 10:08:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 10:08:48 -0000 Received: from [4.247.127.168] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DvXyv-0005XY-8y for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:08:45 -0400 Message-ID: <410-22005742110851656@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.21.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:08:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc339cbda9318466752d6cea476132a71d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Another song that you don't hear is "High School USA", where there were different, localized versions issued for the different parts of the country. Each localized version mentioned the names of high schools in that local area. It was recently reissued on a cd, which contained perhaps 20 of the different versions. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW > To: > Date: 7/20/2005 6:56:46 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore > > > > --- Chris Cuff wrote: > > > EEewwww...... That was one of my all time most hated > > songs ever.... I need a Rolaid now. BTW- Where is > > Powell? > > Right here. > > > How about some of the Donnie Osmond songs? > > > Puppy Love? > > > Powell ( ducking !) > > > > > w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com > NNNN! > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From rbrucecarter@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 10:13:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rbrucecarter@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95349 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 17:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 17:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 17:13:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 17:13:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 17:13:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:13:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 962 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.94.94.105 From: "Bruce Carter" Subject: Re: Pushing IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116052011; y=9j6-YJjHrCgsJ8sw97fPROp6Mc-cUx7C64JUyz1rtxDafzx1yS3u X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter This thing is a bunch of lemmings going over the cliff. Especially nighttime AM IBOC. We will get it, it will be a massive amount of interference, the public won't buy overpriced radios that eat batteries in portables and drain car batteries in car radios. And it will be a commercial bust. 20 years from now, there will be about as many holdouts in IBOC as there are AM stereo stations now. And a small group of enthusiasts like us somewhere. But the audience for AM will be gone - tired of hearing digital trash across the band and not having a clue that they needed new radios for digital. R.I.P. AM IBOC As for FM - the "fix" is to put decent antennas back on car radios so analog actually works again. My last rent car couldn't get locals without picket fencing, dropouts, and mono blends because there was no stinkin' antenna visible anywhere. Maybe they embedded it in the windshield again. At least give us back 31 inch whips! From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 11:40:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89478 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 18:40:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 18:40:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 18:40:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 18:40:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 18:40:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:40:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050720225609.70308.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 870 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.247.222.84 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=j3jO3hd42r4exPjIz-UxxaRwc3wHqyBuVnx8RPXyyIFQ8XDPMpRo X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Hi folks, In the Montpelier area of Vermont there is a local politician by the name of Donald "Donny" Ausman. In the early 80s, when the singer you mention was wanting to kick start his career Osmund himself was telephoning radio stations. An older colleague of mine recalls the office manager at WSKI 1240 Montpelier receiving a phone call from someone wishing to speak with the morning jock. The morning jock, the late Bob Bannon had a particular way of dealing with the local pols and thought this was the E. Montpelier official calling again. After receiving the handwritten note "Donny Ausman on hold for you." Bob Bannon, not realizing he's on the phone with the singer picks up and says... "Alright, what the hell do you want?" Bob Welch/ WDEV Waterbury, VT --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: From kya1260@lycos.com Thu Jul 21 16:44:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79127 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 23:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 23:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 23:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id A516118001A3 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:44:37 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 21 Jul 2005 23:44:37 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 938C23384B; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:44:37 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [69.109.105.121] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:44:37 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, dwtpa97@earthlink.net Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:44:37 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050721234437.938C23384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=-jScdwUYYRuV14XcURzq5r2g06Q9RWdMRcdDHelJCaTiXlV89A X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick W" Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:08:51 -0400 > Another song that you don't hear is "High School USA", where there were > different, localized versions issued for the different parts of the > country. Each localized version mentioned the names of high schools in > that local area. It was recently reissued on a cd, which contained perha= ps > 20 of the different versions. > Dick W. Awesome to know, Dick! The last release happened when Legrand released=20 two seperate LPs (not CDs) in the late 1980s of Facenda's "High School=20 U.S.A" variations... The website I found your info on says it has 30 versions, though Atlantic released only 28 versions....hmmmm... The info below is from a 1998 posting at:=20 http://www.rockabillyhall.com/gvtommy.html=20 --jay UPDATE: 10/98 A CD containing 30 versions of "High School USA" by=20 Gene Vincent's Blue Cap/Clapper Boy Tommy Facenda has been=20 released by the Legrand label of Norfolk, VA. The catalog=20 number is 17002-2. "High School USA" peaked at #28 on Billboard's=20 pop singles chart in 1959. The original version came out on=20 Legrand and mentions area high schools by name. Other versions=20 were recorded for most other areas of the US and were released=20 on the Atlantic label. Those versions are heard on this CD in=20 this order: 1-Virginia (the only stereo version on this CD),=20 2-New York, 3-Nashville, 4-North & South Carolina, 5-Los Angeles,=20 6-Indiana, 7-Washington, DC/Baltimore, 8-Philladelphia,=20 9-San Francisco, 10-Chicago, 11-Detroit, 12-New Orleans, 13-Texas,=20 14-Pittsburgh, 15-Minneapolis/St. Paul, 16-St. Louis, 17-Florida,=20 18-Newark, 19-Alabama/Georgia, 20-Boston, 21-Cleveland,=20 22-Cinncinatti, 23-Memphis, 24-Buffalo, 25-Seattle, 26-Hartford,=20 27-Denver, 28-Oklahoma, 29-National version,=20 30-original Legrand version (with a distinct Bo Diddley beat).=20 I got my copy from: Rock Classics, 1511 E Babydoll Rd.,=20 Port Orchard, Washington 98366 USA, telephone:=20 (360) 769-0456, fax: (360) 769-0441,=20 website: < http://www.portorchard.com/rockclassics >.=20 DISTRIBUTORS:=20 GOTHAM RECORDS=20 2324 Haverford Road=20 Ardmore, Penn. 19003=20 1-800-446-8426=20 VINTAGE RECORDS 8211 Cloverleaf Road Millersville, MD 21108 1-800-523-2036 >=20 >=20 > > [Original Message] > > From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW > > To: > > Date: 7/20/2005 6:56:46 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore > > > > > > > > --- Chris Cuff wrote: > > > > > EEewwww...... That was one of my all time most hated > > > songs ever.... I need a Rolaid now. BTW- Where is > > > Powell? > > > > Right here. How about some of the Donnie Osmond songs? Puppy=20 > > Love? Powell ( ducking !) w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com > > NNNN! > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Jul 21 17:33:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28893 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 00:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 00:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 00:33:10 -0000 X-Node: 2 Received: from stodd (modem0155-pli-tnt-mpls1.cpinternet.com [64.61.217.155]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j6M0VMGB005698 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:31:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006e01c58e55$407faa40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20050720225609.70308.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:35:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=SDNGHaZxUBgaCysYhsBVP3dReIGL06xiz2d7kUGSMgO82jy1mNZ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You jolly well better duck!!! ;) The Osmonds were some of my least favorite too. Some others you don't/won't hear- Indian Giver (1910 Fruitgum Company); They're Coming to Take Me Away (Napoleon XIV); just about anything instrumental, which really ticks me off because there was some really great stuff over the years from No Matter What Shape (Your Stomach Is) In, to Dawntreader by ELO, etc. Pretty much anything that was considered "bubblegum rock" isn't played either. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > How about some of the Donnie Osmond songs? > > > Puppy Love? > > > Powell ( ducking !) From petersdad2001@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 01:11:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: petersdad2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29581 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 08:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 08:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 08:11:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:11:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:11:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:11:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:11:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c58cb1$65f9d8e0$35bb0642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 180 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.116.145.198 From: "Alan Oda" Subject: Re: OT- Songs you don't hear anymore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=79442875; y=4XelHeE6yC8-vS-dHccz1VXsq231ZvdoNOeI85KocQABKQESMT3eow X-Yahoo-Profile: petersdad2001 One song that I hear on 70s compilation CDs but never on the air is Reunion's "Life is a Rock (but the Radio Rolled Me)." Yeah, it's a bit of bubble gum, but I still enjoy it! From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Jul 22 07:21:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91866 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 14:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 14:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao08.cox.net) (68.230.241.31) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 14:21:56 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050722142149.FKIL16890.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:21:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <5346E859-413D-40A1-937D-5CD38FD1C1C5@cox.net> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:21:49 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- Songs you don't hear anymore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=GoIxgB8Fu5KFSfEiKViSJTNW3m0gpI_W_AIr2dCJX43uotteL-Xzkp_hNk9E X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's played n Sirius. On Jul 22, 2005, at 1:11 AM, Alan Oda wrote: > One song that I hear on 70s compilation CDs but never on the air is > Reunion's "Life is a Rock (but the Radio Rolled Me)." Yeah, it's a > bit > of bubble gum, but I still enjoy it! > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 07:32:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22490 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 14:32:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 14:32:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 14:32:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 30916 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2005 14:32:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20050722143210.30914.qmail@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:32:10 PDT Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:32:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John P." Subject: OT- Songs you don't hear anymore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Yvg76vI45wivUIi_gsuityUqYJDtyP_GlPCcEZDqlFLxgF0N7Nnv7a8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Others wrote: "One song that I hear on 70s compilation CDs but never on the air is Reunion's "Life is a Rock (but the Radio Rolled Me)." Well, I'm happy to report that XM radio does play this song -on XM Channel 7 - this is the song where the guy talks really fast and lists the names of all of the record companies, etc.. isn't it? I'm also un-happy to report that XM 7 also plays more than it's fair share of Osmonds and Partridge Family records - the DJ on XM7, Sari, is a big fan of Donny and David, so she plays a lot of their music. What is realistic though, is that XM7 sounds like a 70's radio station - they play the music that WAS played a lot on air then that you don't hear now, like The Carpenters, ABBA, 1-Hit Wonders, and the forementioned teen idols, right down to the decent jingles. I'm really warming up to XM7, as AM stereo station CFCO is the last broadcast station I listen to anymore. The audio 'quality' of XM is NOT CD-quality, in fact, some broadcast FM and most AM Stereo broadcast stations sound better than XM, but once again, CONTENT is King. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 10:56:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95324 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 17:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 17:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52408.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.171) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 17:56:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 56911 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2005 17:55:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20050722175548.56909.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.232.195.134] by web52408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:55:48 PDT Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:55:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006e01c58e55$407faa40$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=9-aKcOFP_biL_Wh6yJv-HL6KRO1HBzq21h7c8bzOic0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > You jolly well better duck!!! ;) The Osmonds were > some of my least > favorite too. I'll tell you what I did on the air when I was on the air at WKDK the first time when this stuff was new. I got a request for one of those Donny Osmond songs that was nothing more than a re-release of a Paul Anka hit. When I got the request I played a bit of it. I already had a 45 that was one of those DJ copies from a an unknown (and still is I imagine)..... I turned on the microphone and yanked the tone arm off the record and said " I CAN'T TAKE THIS HORRIBLE SONG ANY MORE !!!!!" IN FACT I'M SMASHING THIS HORRIBLE REMAKE !!!! And I snapped the no hit record in half. OH MY....I got phone calls. Then I told what I actually did! Powell ( snickering!) w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 16:21:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71819 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 23:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 23:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 23:21:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 23:21:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 23:21:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:21:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050722143210.30914.qmail@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1687 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.84.9 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: XM / Sirius audio quality (or lack thereof) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=58RaFPez8VcjojX7Ag0vAHUU301QP9U0khG9z8dF_F4b6LiWHg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'm really warming up to XM7, as AM stereo station CFCO is the last > broadcast station I listen to anymore. The audio 'quality' of XM > is NOT CD-quality, in fact, some broadcast FM and most AM Stereo > broadcast stations sound better than XM, but once again, CONTENT is > King. I forgot which it was, but either XM or Sirius was originally known as "CD Radio", and I'm glad they dropped that name because neither of them are even CLOSE to having "CD-quality" audio. XM's high end is very bright and has a harshly synthesized "fake treble" sound that is about as pleasant to listen to as fingernails scratching on a chalkboard, unless you turn the treble way down to compensate. Meanwhile, Sirius isn't as bright and has cleaner treble, but overall has a "congested" RealAudio-like kind of sound which may not be overtly unpleasant to listen to, but clearly isn't even close to "hi-fi" either. The traffic channels are particularly bad, as their bit-rate is extremely low, leaving you with telephone-quality audio with lots of midrange compression and no high end at all. It would not be an exaggeration to say that even NOAA Weather Radio on 162.xx MHz VHF sounds better than Sirius's traffic channels! Personally, I'd rather take the cost of an XM or Sirius receiver and subscription and use it towards getting a high-speed Internet connection, which would allow me to listen to Internet webcasts which offer the same kind of great variety as XM / Sirius's programming, but with much better audio quality on the high-bitrate streams which are becoming more common (especially on high-bitrate Ogg Vorbis streams, such as those by the UK's Virgin Radio). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 16:32:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27165 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 23:32:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 23:32:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 23:32:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 23:32:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 23:32:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:32:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050722175548.56909.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1957 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.84.9 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=lAnFeyrMetzsCg77SWq8AU-1cX22qDI055_G_eBna_dKTFAz0w X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'll tell you what I did on the air when I was on the > air at WKDK the first time when this stuff was new. I > got a request for one of those Donny Osmond songs that > was nothing more than a re-release of a Paul Anka hit. > When I got the request I played a bit of it. I already > had a 45 that was one of those DJ copies from a an > unknown (and still is I imagine)..... > I turned on the microphone and yanked the tone arm off > the record and said " I CAN'T TAKE THIS HORRIBLE SONG > ANY MORE !!!!!" IN FACT I'M SMASHING THIS HORRIBLE > REMAKE !!!! And I snapped the no hit record in half. > > OH MY....I got phone calls. Then I told what I > actually did! I have Donny Osmond's solo debut album on 8-track tape, autographed by Donny himself, in case anyone is interested. In the summer of 1998, mostly as a joke I bought a few 8-tracks at a record store in Nashville which actually still sold them for 25 cents each (in the original cellophane!), and one of these happened to be Donny's album. Then I heard he was appearing at Planet Hollywood in Nashville later that day, so I brought along the 8-track and had him autograph it. I also bought a Skeeter Davis album on 8-track, but unfortunately she passed away last year so there's no chance of getting it autographed. And annoyingly, in order to fit all the songs on the tape they had to split one across tracks -- so in the middle of the song, the music suddenly quickly fades out, then you hear the 8-track player "chunk" as it switches to the next track, then the song fades back in and continues playing. It still puzzles me why anyone would accept such a thing -- after all, I've never heard of a cassette or record which split a song in half, except if it was extremely long (such as a classical music piece). They would've been better off just leaving a song or two off of the 8-track so that the remaining songs could all fit on the tracks without being split up. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 20:02:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13328 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 03:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 03:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 03:02:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 03:02:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 03:02:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 03:02:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3070 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.120.215.138 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: XM / Sirius audio quality (or lack thereof) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=oZppkMVg4ZJruPh8w_FFUC0F18z5zHcM03PapQdmL8pmhTh5 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I'm really warming up to XM7, as AM stereo station CFCO is the last > > broadcast station I listen to anymore. The audio 'quality' of XM > > is NOT CD-quality, in fact, some broadcast FM and most AM Stereo > > broadcast stations sound better than XM, but once again, CONTENT is > > King. > > I forgot which it was, but either XM or Sirius was originally known > as "CD Radio", and I'm glad they dropped that name because neither of > them are even CLOSE to having "CD-quality" audio. XM's high end is > very bright and has a harshly synthesized "fake treble" sound that is > about as pleasant to listen to as fingernails scratching on a > chalkboard, unless you turn the treble way down to compensate. That's SBR, which a number of codecs are using today, including MP3Pro. > Meanwhile, Sirius isn't as bright and has cleaner treble, but overall > has a "congested" RealAudio-like kind of sound which may not be > overtly unpleasant to listen to, but clearly isn't even close to > "hi-fi" either. The traffic channels are particularly bad, as their > bit-rate is extremely low, leaving you with telephone-quality audio > with lots of midrange compression and no high end at all. It would > not be an exaggeration to say that even NOAA Weather Radio on 162.xx > MHz VHF sounds better than Sirius's traffic channels! For traffic, "audiophile" is unnecessary. And yes, XM's traffic channels are very bad, like bad cellphone compression, but they get their info out. That's what's important. The truly ANNOYING ones are the mid-bitrate monaural channels, which do have an analogue telephone quality to them. That in itself wouldn't be too bad...except for the SBR, whose similated trebel actually gets down to the principle harmonics, and can be annoying. (And the main non-extreme comedy channel is mono. Stupid.) The only thing in the stereo channels I don't like is the use of mid/side or joint stereo, which means trhere's some inadvertant channel mixing- Very hard on wide stereo, but unnoticable in mixed stereo. > Personally, I'd rather take the cost of an XM or Sirius receiver and > subscription and use it towards getting a high-speed Internet > connection, which would allow me to listen to Internet webcasts which > offer the same kind of great variety as XM / Sirius's programming, > but with much better audio quality on the high-bitrate streams which > are becoming more common (especially on high-bitrate Ogg Vorbis > streams, such as those by the UK's Virgin Radio). SBC Yahoo! DSL is currently advertising $24.95/mo. :) And unlike XM or Sirius, you're not limited to ~180 channels-- There are the better part of 15,000 stations out there around the world, online, in a wide myriad of languages and styles- many you probably never thought existed. But I like XM. :) And I like internet radio... (Been listening to Manx Radio online the last few weeks. It's mono, though... http://www.manxradio.com/ ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kya1260@lycos.com Sat Jul 23 14:15:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8631 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 21:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 21:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 21:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 7FEDA180012D for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:15:47 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 23 Jul 2005 21:15:47 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6FDC5CA07F; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:15:47 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [69.110.234.219] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:15:47 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:15:47 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050723211547.6FDC5CA07F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore 8-Track X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=wLVv1-XzZQKnw3xest1AkuZKpjsIkSYRZ3EaHeF27AT__1GbXg X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > ...And annoyingly, in order to fit all the songs on the tape they had to > split one across tracks -- so in the middle of the song, the music > suddenly quickly fades out, then you hear the 8-track player "chunk" > as it switches to the next track, then the song fades back in and > continues playing. It still puzzles me why anyone would accept such > a thing -- after all, I've never heard of a cassette or record which > split a song in half, except if it was extremely long (such as a > classical music piece). They would've been better off just leaving > a song or two off of the 8-track so that the remaining songs could > all fit on the tracks without being split up. Being I just got back into 8-tracks (mainly the "Quad-8" or "Q8" type), I learned that sometimes the artist and/or producer wanted the 8-track to employ the exact lineup of songs as were on the=20 vinyl LP, hence the fade-out on one program, fade-in onto the=20 next program... However, there were SOME artists/producers who'd go against that thought and would rearrange the songs on 8-tracks so as to avoid that irritating fade-out-fade-in mentality... Interestingly, I learned that on the RollinG Stones' "Some Girls"=20 8-Track, the hit "Miss You" is about a minutelonger than the LP=20 version (making it 5:41 - at least from what I learned when I=20 downloaded that version on the pre-legit Napster in 2000... Perhaps there are other such alternate song versions on 8-Track=20 that differ from their LP counterparts?? P.S. - Wonder if that Nashville store still sells 8-tracks? --jay What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jul 24 14:29:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66990 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2005 21:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2005 21:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2005 21:29:08 -0000 X-Node: 1 Received: from stodd (modem0154-cp-tnt-mpls2.cpinternet.com [64.61.211.154]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j6OLT5CE004862 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:29:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001901c59097$4d1af180$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20050722175548.56909.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:33:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=TWR1rLjUjIl20SXSwQx9RP0mzIXhpjxyDNlgeZuMEKvzSG0DmDTi X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Ah, when radio was real and gave us a reason to actually listen... Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > I turned on the microphone and yanked the tone arm off > the record and said " I CAN'T TAKE THIS HORRIBLE SONG > ANY MORE !!!!!" IN FACT I'M SMASHING THIS HORRIBLE > REMAKE !!!! And I snapped the no hit record in half. > > OH MY....I got phone calls. Then I told what I > actually did! > From oldphones@webtv.net Mon Jul 25 18:02:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70338 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 01:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 01:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.138) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 01:02:07 -0000 Received: from storefull-3336.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id DF029D67E; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3336.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id SAA05867; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:01:15 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAiIGXx07KGwL2RRWIwcVjsP/UcfgCFQCTfsU8lZoJkex3OvKYxQdBz8r8qg== Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:01:15 -0500 To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <23310-42E58B5B-6743@storefull-3336.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: The Kaskey Family 's message of Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:19:34 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [ABDX] Ramsey AM-25 Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=SWG92IhElUws3B5b42cxn1hD20R4IbhNHISOosdvS1UQUfetIg X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 I saw a Ramsay AM-25 am transmitter kit on a closeout for $65.00 at a local (competitor) electronics store. I have several questions... A. Is $ 65.00 a reasonable price for this kit? B. How difficult is this kit to assemble? C. Does any one on these AMS, or DX lists, have a Ramsey unit, and how well does it perform? D. It appears to have systhzied frequency control so it can be tuned to any open A.M> frequency, Vs. crystal controlled kits like the Chris Cuff Alfredo Lite. Which is the better option? E. The Alfredo Lite does have AM Stereo capability, whereas the AM-25 very likely DOES NOT. Although the Alfredo Lite is more money, I do belive that Chris Cuff supplies these already built ( assembled ). Obviously, the assembly of unit has a certain economic cost, value to it. Also, I have AM Stereo car radios ( Delco, & Chrysler ) that I can no longer properly test, thanks to a serious lack of AM stereo operating stations in my area. The Alfredo Lite would overcome this problem. Any advise, comments, etc... Welcome oldphones@webtv.net Thanks Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From droland66@yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 18:46:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28399 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 01:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 01:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 01:46:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 01:45:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 01:45:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 01:45:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:45:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1045 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.128.175.116 From: "david roland" Subject: Re: Pushing IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=5wtT_QnlftwNJabx8MwYe4CCtDwt_J5meiX_6EvAkwpDsEXH X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" wrote: > Not much has been said here about the NAB pushing the FCC to rule on implimenting > NRSC-5 IBOC. > > As one considers this news along with Jack radio, me-too podcasting, the attempt to clip > the wings of satellite radio through legislation, as well as the proposed legislation to role > back and restrict media ownership, one can see the sweat beads of desperation rolling off > the collective bald pates of corporate radio. > > Of course this push for IBOC goes hand in glove with iBiquity's colossal wet dream of > eventually having the entire AM/FM bands broadcasting in digital only mode (if I read their > website correctly). > > But now that it's been shown that IBOC for AM is, for the most part, impractical; will the > FCC be goaded into making it mandatory for both bands, or will it be FM only, or will they > take a "let the marketplace decide" attitude? > > And whither Kahn's CAM-D or DRM, will the FCC allow them in? > > db From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 19:07:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18960 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 02:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 02:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 02:07:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 02:07:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 02:07:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 02:07:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 02:07:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050723211547.6FDC5CA07F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2090 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.181.73 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore 8-Track X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=f_lrpvxUig0Bm93yFe0plCx4Jgt9v3PNOo5tx5gek4C8jAOseN5G2chG X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Well if you find that "Sugar Sugar" Quad-8, you know who to call. Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin T." > > ...And annoyingly, in order to fit all the songs on the tape they had to > > split one across tracks -- so in the middle of the song, the music > > suddenly quickly fades out, then you hear the 8-track player "chunk" > > as it switches to the next track, then the song fades back in and > > continues playing. It still puzzles me why anyone would accept such > > a thing -- after all, I've never heard of a cassette or record which > > split a song in half, except if it was extremely long (such as a > > classical music piece). They would've been better off just leaving > > a song or two off of the 8-track so that the remaining songs could > > all fit on the tracks without being split up. > > Being I just got back into 8-tracks (mainly the "Quad-8" or "Q8" > type), I learned that sometimes the artist and/or producer wanted > the 8-track to employ the exact lineup of songs as were on the > vinyl LP, hence the fade-out on one program, fade-in onto the > next program... > However, there were SOME artists/producers who'd go against > that thought and would rearrange the songs on 8-tracks so as to > avoid that irritating fade-out-fade-in mentality... > > Interestingly, I learned that on the RollinG Stones' "Some Girls" > 8-Track, the hit "Miss You" is about a minutelonger than the LP > version (making it 5:41 - at least from what I learned when I > downloaded that version on the pre-legit Napster in 2000... > > Perhaps there are other such alternate song versions on 8-Track > that differ from their LP counterparts?? > > P.S. - Wonder if that Nashville store still sells 8-tracks? > --jay > > What's the GoldVine about? > < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. > http://datingsearch.lycos.com From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 19:10:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69906 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 02:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 02:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 02:10:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 02:10:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 02:10:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 02:10:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 02:10:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050723211547.6FDC5CA07F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 236 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.181.73 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore 8-Track X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=-RdSO0d1Dx9bSLNx7phKTq1E4aBpEpPn60wGS7ZxCI4Jw7DKQGki4hGB X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 CCR's "Suzy Q" on 45 is split in half. Once at KSTN, I played it, then played a long jingle as I flipped it over and played the other side. Didn't quite work out... James Brown was infamous for "parting out" his singles.... Tom From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 20:27:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27209 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 03:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 03:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 03:27:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 03:26:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 03:26:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 03:26:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 603 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.243.15 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Split singles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=sg6_RmlCe0yECqxp5ZXTDO2dmMmm3sIg6Kfv7DPA8k1FQGXc X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" wrote: > CCR's "Suzy Q" on 45 is split in half. Once at KSTN, I played it, > then played a long jingle as I flipped it over and played the other > side. Didn't quite work out... > > James Brown was infamous for "parting out" his singles.... There were many hit songs that were split across both sides of a single- Stevie Wonder's "Fingertips", the Isley Bros.' "Shout!"..... Surprisingly, as far as I know, the Beatles' "Let It Be" was not one of them- They managed to cram the whole 7 minutes on one side. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 20:42:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57186 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 03:42:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 03:42:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 03:42:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 03:41:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 03:41:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 03:41:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 03:41:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 873 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.89.1 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Split singles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=ZHOVgrXWMmf9sLSkzG8RyWCV5HyGUpPaM31SQsxr7wP7ynIhnA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > There were many hit songs that were split across both sides of a > single-Stevie Wonder's "Fingertips", the Isley Bros.' "Shout!"..... Better known to me, since my dad actually has it in his 45 collection, is Bill Doggett's "Honky Tonk". The A-side, known as "Part 1", was a #2 hit in 1956. Then for some reason, the B-side ("Honky Tonk Part 2") charted at #57 in 1961. > Surprisingly, as far as I know, the Beatles' "Let It Be" was not > one of them- They managed to cram the whole 7 minutes on one side. I think you mean "Hey Jude", and it likely was released as a microgroove single. At its extreme, microgroove mastering could fit a half hour of music on one side of an LP (with a corresponding degradation of audio, quality, of course), so this same technique could easily be used to fit 7 minutes and change on one side of a 7-inch, 45-RPM single. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 20:54:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45251 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 03:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 03:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 03:54:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 03:53:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 03:53:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 03:53:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 830 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.243.15 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Split singles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=qB-R-LA9Hm33cLFPP6KODbA46au7cGKYhl_fJBjXrclrNK8N X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Surprisingly, as far as I know, the Beatles' "Let It Be" was not > > one of them- They managed to cram the whole 7 minutes on one side. > > I think you mean "Hey Jude", and it likely was released as a > microgroove single. At its extreme, microgroove mastering could fit > a half hour of music on one side of an LP (with a corresponding > degradation of audio, quality, of course), so this same technique > could easily be used to fit 7 minutes and change on one side of a > 7-inch, 45-RPM single. Yes, "Hey Jude"... Had someone talking at me, not saying anything, so I was distracted. :( Anyhoo, I think the record for length of a side of a record was around 60 minutes. The longest I ever had was 35 minutes on a side. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From frankh@habu.dtdns.net Mon Jul 25 22:09:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frankh@habu.dtdns.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23750 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 05:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 05:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO habu.dtdns.net) (216.231.42.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 05:09:14 -0000 Received: from naha (unknown [192.168.0.53]) by habu.dtdns.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A5CD712E5AD for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003d01c591a0$264be4b0$3500a8c0@dtdns.net> To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:09:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 216.231.42.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Frank Hansche" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Split singles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78221270; y=WSyDO5YtcxEM95IZujoNdVGPAFQTYKI7O-YBcjokPfYd_cA-Jd5z X-Yahoo-Profile: frankh192000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Macarthur Park" was another seven minute (pluss) song on a 45. We also had copies that were on 7" 33's. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 8:41 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Split singles > There were many hit songs that were split across both sides of a > single-Stevie Wonder's "Fingertips", the Isley Bros.' "Shout!"..... Better known to me, since my dad actually has it in his 45 collection, is Bill Doggett's "Honky Tonk". The A-side, known as "Part 1", was a #2 hit in 1956. Then for some reason, the B-side ("Honky Tonk Part 2") charted at #57 in 1961. > Surprisingly, as far as I know, the Beatles' "Let It Be" was not > one of them- They managed to cram the whole 7 minutes on one side. I think you mean "Hey Jude", and it likely was released as a microgroove single. At its extreme, microgroove mastering could fit a half hour of music on one side of an LP (with a corresponding degradation of audio, quality, of course), so this same technique could easily be used to fit 7 minutes and change on one side of a 7-inch, 45-RPM single. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 7/22/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Jul 26 00:46:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9889 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 07:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 07:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.51.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 07:46:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:46:35 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:46:34 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <23310-42E58B5B-6743@storefull-3336.bay.webtv.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 03:46:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2005 07:46:35.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[25AC9570:01C591B6] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.51.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Ramsey AM-25 Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851; y=bbnnFnJd1U-UI1GPc5i0xzX77qBVe_AKYBmwh0LGznRjc1PCsphb X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane I'll answer in-line. Paul Crane, KC8YQQ Jackson, MI USA Part 15 transmitters on air 24/7: AM stereo 1250, FM stereo 88.3 ----Original Message Follows---- From: oldphones@webtv.net Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com CC: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com,amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Ramsey AM-25 Question Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:01:15 -0500 I saw a Ramsay AM-25 am transmitter kit on a closeout for $65.00 at a local (competitor) electronics store. I have several questions... A. Is $ 65.00 a reasonable price for this kit? I paid over $100 for an assembled used one on Ebay. B. How difficult is this kit to assemble? C. Does any one on these AMS, or DX lists, have a Ramsey unit, and how well does it perform? It didn't perform very well at all. The Alfredo Lite got better distance and sounds much better (even on a mono radio). D. It appears to have systhzied frequency control so it can be tuned to any open A.M> frequency, Vs. crystal controlled kits like the Chris Cuff Alfredo Lite. Which is the better option? Tuning the AM-25 is via a dip switches inside. E. The Alfredo Lite does have AM Stereo capability, whereas the AM-25 very likely DOES NOT. Although the Alfredo Lite is more money, I do belive that Chris Cuff supplies these already built ( assembled ). Obviously, the assembly of unit has a certain economic cost, value to it. Also, I have AM Stereo car radios ( Delco, & Chrysler ) that I can no longer properly test, thanks to a serious lack of AM stereo operating stations in my area. The Alfredo Lite would overcome this problem. The AM-25 is mono. Any advise, comments, etc... Welcome oldphones@webtv.net Thanks Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jul 26 01:50:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51479 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 08:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 08:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 08:50:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 08:50:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 08:50:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:50:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003d01c591a0$264be4b0$3500a8c0@dtdns.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 250 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.244.61 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Split singles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=RulBti1y9T2tXrweFGq1lMzos_ezaRbb3Tw_-kwx5fXeWmYs X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Hansche" wrote: > "Macarthur Park" was another seven minute (pluss) song on a 45. We also had copies that were on 7" 33's. Which version? Richard Harris or Donna Summer? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Jul 26 04:36:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56386 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 11:36:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 11:36:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.139) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 11:36:10 -0000 Received: from storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id C5393D615; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 04:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA14137; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 04:36:09 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAjorzDrIpStokMevVdadQTdkRqI4CFGR8jdoFESpnsmqKE68CIFXYnUoI Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:36:09 -0500 To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <22445-42E62029-1391@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: Re: [ABDX] Ramsey AM-25 Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=2wJ36DwWKRacLKNJD0PPz8z8X1uGCtDbfnJSDok1-bY5PQgVuw X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Come on people, I need some input on the plus and minuses of the Ramsey AM-25. Not sure if the original message went threw. Thinking of buying an Ramsey AM-25 mini transmitter, It is worth the Money and Trouble??? surely someone has one of these.... Originial message to follow... Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From frankh@habu.dtdns.net Tue Jul 26 05:10:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frankh@habu.dtdns.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36402 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 12:10:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 12:10:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO habu.dtdns.net) (216.231.42.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 12:10:58 -0000 Received: from naha (unknown [192.168.0.53]) by habu.dtdns.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C73BA12E51D for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005a01c591db$1000a430$3500a8c0@dtdns.net> To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:10:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 216.231.42.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Frank Hansche" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Split singles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78221270; y=5GuuJNPG2Blgrove81-TQG6Jcux1un96m_MPZKoVgZd3oRdocRHr X-Yahoo-Profile: frankh192000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was Richard Harris. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:50 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Split singles --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Hansche" wrote: > "Macarthur Park" was another seven minute (pluss) song on a 45. We also had copies that were on 7" 33's. Which version? Richard Harris or Donna Summer? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. 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Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 7/22/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From frankh@habu.dtdns.net Tue Jul 26 05:15:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frankh@habu.dtdns.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71848 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 12:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 12:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO habu.dtdns.net) (216.231.42.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 12:15:52 -0000 Received: from naha (unknown [192.168.0.53]) by habu.dtdns.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 95D6912E51D for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007301c591db$c0dd96a0$3500a8c0@dtdns.net> To: References: <22445-42E62029-1391@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:15:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 216.231.42.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Frank Hansche" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: Re: [ABDX] Ramsey AM-25 Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78221270; y=f_OrByGbh1r9zfuCFh5ScBa5ealqr7nMADqXXZqWAnsjmqNVMDWg X-Yahoo-Profile: frankh192000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Ramsey is aa good transmitter as long as you don't try to modulate it too hard. The price, $65, is half the retail price; the kit should go together in a couple of hours. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: oldphones@webtv.net To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com ; amstereo@topica.com ; amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 4:36 AM Subject: {AMSF} Fwd: Re: [ABDX] Ramsey AM-25 Question Come on people, I need some input on the plus and minuses of the Ramsey AM-25. Not sure if the original message went threw. Thinking of buying an Ramsey AM-25 mini transmitter, It is worth the Money and Trouble??? surely someone has one of these.... Originial message to follow... Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 618-4541 Omaha I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! 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Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 7/25/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 26 06:24:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97094 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 13:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 13:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.158) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 13:24:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 66764 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2005 13:23:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20050726132307.66762.qmail@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:23:07 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:23:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John P." Subject: new AM Stereo in Detroit area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Ed0l9wE7dcU-VRM6PnTDqcEbsuvBr5cVhAMpBrn5HLhjO50jHYUWjOE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Has anybody picked-up the soon to go on the air 910AM Radio Disney from Monroe County / Detroit yet? It is scheduled to be on air this summer, and I'm wondering if there's any chance it will be CQuam AM stereo, or if it will be IBOC/IBAC?? I think WJR's chief engineer recently retired, otherwise, I'd bet he'd make that new station purrrr like WJR's stereo does. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 26 07:54:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91767 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 14:54:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 14:54:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52415.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 14:54:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 46748 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2005 14:54:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20050726145424.46746.qmail@web52415.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.232.195.134] by web52415.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:54:24 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:54:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Split singles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=fU_ySubYWGAmhC-CnrCshFnKTSTfWThSiu8ucKBBljc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > Surprisingly, as far as I know, the Beatles' "Let It > Be" was not one of > them- They managed to cram the whole 7 minutes on > one side. > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Don't you mean Hey Jude! ?? 7 minutes and a few seconds. A friend of mine drew a cartoon when the song was new. The cartoon was me on the air, and playing Hey Jude and running to the bathroom. The caption was coming from the control room: Hey Jude Jude Jude Jude....... Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 26 07:56:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46445 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 14:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 14:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52402.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.165) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 14:56:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 6553 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2005 14:56:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20050726145600.6551.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.232.195.134] by web52402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:56:00 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:56:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.165 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Split singles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=iJ50DccxfVeiw5F7txVP_UvjE1ykLZE7fPVNzzKPXwk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Frank > Hansche" > wrote: > > "Macarthur Park" was another seven minute (pluss) > song on a 45. We > also had copies that were on 7" 33's. > > Which version? Richard Harris or Donna Summer? Richard Harris. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 26 07:57:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55254 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 14:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 14:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52414.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.177) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 14:57:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 19436 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2005 14:57:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20050726145751.19434.qmail@web52414.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.232.195.134] by web52414.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:57:51 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:57:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <007301c591db$c0dd96a0$3500a8c0@dtdns.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: Re: [ABDX] Ramsey AM-25 Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=XaE_12VTHZNsDmkHSSeJY2TcxzemGkxbwI6dvL3G6R4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Frank Hansche wrote: > The Ramsey is aa good transmitter as long as you > don't try to modulate it too hard. The price, $65, > is half the retail price; the kit should go together > in a couple of hours. > Frank It will not modulate very well period. It does very poor negative modulation, I think 65% was where it would do. A friend of mine who does radio engineering put it together and we put it on the scope. UGH. Not worth it. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From wa2fnq@optonline.net Tue Jul 26 09:26:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52881 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 16:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 16:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 16:26:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 16:26:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 16:26:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:26:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <22445-42E62029-1391@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2876 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.114.164.108 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Fwd: Re: [ABDX] Ramsey AM-25 Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=sBAArCBLHnbCI_-5r4bnp16DvWkzrjKtH4l-EuP-Meke X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Sorry, due to time constraints I only occasionaly get look at this board these days. I have a Ramsey AM-25 on the air right now and it's run 24/7 for 3 almost years. That's the good news. Also, the PLL in my unit seems to hold frequency within broadcast spec. I did have to pad the reference crystal slightly to get it right on frequency but it was real close as is. Now for the bad news: Some of the parts run hot. Yes, I have a 2N3904 with a heat sink on it. Ramsey, in their infinate wisdom, supplied an 18 volt wall wart power supply with a kit that's suppose to run on 12 volts. Using the wall wart is a bad idea anyway. I use one of the Astron regulated power supplies that also powers my packet station. Out of the box I don't think the AM-25 delivered the power output it should. I have an AM-1 that did better. If you listen to the AM-25 on a forced AM stereo reciever you'll hear all kinds of garbage. My guess it's incidental quadrature products developed in the final RF amplifier. My AM-1 does the same thing. I guess Ramsey doesn't know how to design an RF amplifier. Solution: I built my own final/modulator. I use the AM-25 to drive my RF amplifier. I get better efficiency and no IQM products. I didn't use any of Ramseys audio section. My modulator is driven by a Radio Designs line amplifier. That gives it clean, broadcast quality audio. I generally hold the modulation at @96% negative and still make occasional peaks of 125%. I fed properly pre-emphasised L-R audio at the right level into the PLL circuit the transmitter and that generates an AM stereo signal similar to the old Magnavox system. It sounds good on a Sony SRF-42. Adding a 25 Hz piliot turns on C-Quam recievers and it sounds OK on them. There were a few other minor problems with the unit. When I first turned it on. The transistor that drives the LED to let you know the PLL is working went in to bussiness for itself. It began oscillating and causing television interference. Amazing but true. IMHO, it looks like the Ramsey enginners had a good idea when they designed the AM-25 but fumbeled the ball as they sometimes do. It didn't bother me because I intended to kitbash the unit anyway. Ramsey does give you a nice bag of parts. Sometimes you just need to be handy with a soldering iron and have some patience. There's an aircheck of the station (not put there by me)in the files section under .mp3 usa. It's GLI 12-12-03 Scoped. The audio processing was a bit different then. The CRL SEP - 400 has since been replaced by a Prism processor. There are pictures in the photo section under WGLI. The station is really called 1290 GLI. It's our experimental station and the memorial station of WGLI which went off the air in 1989. WGLI was bought by the station on the adjacent channel and.... that's another long story. Jerry WA2FNQ From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jul 26 15:01:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75690 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 22:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 22:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.246.144.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 22:01:36 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.186.33]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.1.361.21) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:01:13 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c5922d$b3c76520$21ba0642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:02:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 64.246.144.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: Ramsey AM-25 Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=uTCwongBArznXhFq4LCPFCdcWjWyYgpkS6OLV4jsv_NPvDR_7qPT2tkG X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also have one of the AM-25's- Seeing and hearing that one is one of the main reasons I never wanted mine to be frequency agile. I like the simple crystal method, as it keeps the unwanted noise out of the chain. As well, adding an MPU for the digital frequency circuit would add significantly to the cost of the transmitter. chris ----- Original Message ----- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kya1260@lycos.com Tue Jul 26 15:35:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58487 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 22:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 22:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 22:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id D90F518001DF for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:35:04 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 26 Jul 2005 22:35:04 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C4B8A3384B; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:35:04 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [68.127.209.56] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:35:04 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:35:04 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050726223504.C4B8A3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Songs you don't hear anymore 8-Track X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=YH4NyWQCqi69E-Vy_JndcgZ9c7xf4xlcBWOw1uLHJjwUxRbM7A X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ ---- Original Message ----- From: Tom > Well if you find that "Sugar Sugar" Quad-8, you know who to call. > Tom I haven't seen the elusive Archies' Q8 yet, but I HAVE seen the "Surround Sound" CD version on eBay - I don't have the setup for those CDs, let alone the nearly 100 dollars the CD eventually went for!=20 YIPE!!! --jay --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! 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The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Wed Jul 27 02:57:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26571 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 09:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 09:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 09:57:23 -0000 Received: from [4.247.120.219] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dxif2-0001qm-Au for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:57:12 -0400 Message-ID: <410-22005732795718171@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.21.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:57:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc0c4a49efb4a10998665d58ce5903a5ae350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: OT: WWL DX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Yesterday Tampa area WGUL 860 kHz was off the air for a big part of the day (probably lightning damage). In its absence, here in Tampa in the daytime, WWL New Orleans 870 kHz 50kw came streaming in with a strong, very listenable signal. It was awesome! I remember years ago, before WGUL moved to its current frequency, WWL was a daytime regular in Tampa. Dick W. From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Jul 27 09:42:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48800 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 16:42:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 16:42:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm43.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.74) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 16:42:09 -0000 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.65]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6RGgCeA027371 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:42:12 -0400 X-ORBL: [68.72.59.13] Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-72-59-13.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.72.59.13]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id j6RGg2mU175156 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:42:07 -0400 Message-ID: <006201c592ca$20a7e3d0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <003d01c591a0$264be4b0$3500a8c0@dtdns.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:42:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0530-1, 07/26/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Split singles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=R6mASQIvJdGWNKnMqxgtXDa5YQdAJTR0NBngBwGfNZUdSkE X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > "Macarthur Park" was another seven minute (pluss) song on a 45. We also > had copies that were on 7" 33's. Cashman & West's "American City Suite" was nearly 8 minutes and it was all crammed onto a 45 rpm single. Then there was American Pie at 8:34... Parts 1 and 2 on the single.. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Jul 27 14:56:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21882 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 21:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 21:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.94) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 21:56:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:56:25 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by BAY106-DAV22.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:56:24 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: Dick W , amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:56:24 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2005 21:56:25.0154 (UTC) FILETIME=[0876CA20:01C592F6] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: WWL DX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Dick Wheeler wrote: >Yesterday Tampa area WGUL 860 kHz was >off the air for a big part of the day >(probably lightning damage). In its >absence, here in Tampa in the daytime, >WWL New Orleans 870 kHz 50kw came >streaming in with a strong, very >listenable signal. It was awesome! I > remember years ago, before WGUL >moved to its current frequency, WWL was > a daytime regular in Tampa. =20=20 >Dick W. I'm sorry I missed that; I should dx more going and coming to work. Instead= of listening to xm or WUSF. I'm wondering if Kevin, the the Thonotosassa area was able to catch that ye= sterday or if that's too far inland? I know on the east coast of the state stations from Charleston SC , Savanna= h and the Bahamas boom in as long as you're within about 3 or 4 miles from = the Atlantic, and after that they quickly fade out. Donn St Petersburg From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Jul 28 06:37:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84179 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 13:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 13:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 13:37:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 13:37:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 13:37:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:37:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006201c592ca$20a7e3d0$6401a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 444 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.245.212.9 From: "narkspud" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Split singles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=GoxuNmkGoaEus1ANSeP_O18Ln30X02lYDyzBsjbILFqBXfI X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > > "Macarthur Park" was another seven minute (pluss) song on a 45. We also > > had copies that were on 7" 33's. Longest single 45 side I've seen: "Incident on 57th Street (live version)" by Bruce Springsteen, flip side of "Fire." Running time 10:03. Sounds atrocious. A company called Fleetwood Recording made several "Microsonic" single LPs (mostly corporate promotions) that ran 90 minutes on a single disc. Also sounded atrocious. From wa2fnq@optonline.net Thu Jul 28 07:06:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80624 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 14:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 14:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 14:06:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 14:06:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 14:06:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:06:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c5922d$b3c76520$21ba0642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1598 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.114.164.108 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Ramsey AM-25 Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=JVLOebF2HUXoi60ECfAmqfye5xcQCIkMnWO0zhTnfNFW X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Just a quick comment. You're absolutely right about using a crystal. You'll never have a problem so it's a good way to go for AM stereo. The PLL in my AM-25 is clean otherwise I couldn't do stereo at all with it. There's a big but in this. The power supply must have absolutely no noise in it. I found any power supply noise will "modulate" the PLL and show up as crud in the L - R channel. In my case this goes as far as the other transmitters using the same supply keying on and off causing a problem (The same supply is used for some of my packet transmitters). An extra big cap across the power supply helped. I found the same is true of the Gizmo transmitter. So don't even think of trying a wall wart. Start with a good supply and work from there. BTW, I have an ICOM IC-280 2 meter FM transciever and the PLL is horrible in that thing. If you listen to it on another receiver it sounds like a motor running. For most Hams I guess it doesn't matter but for me that's a biggie. Fortunately they seem to have fixed that in their newer rigs. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I also have one of the AM-25's- Seeing and hearing that one is one of the main reasons I never wanted mine to be frequency agile. I like the simple crystal method, as it keeps the unwanted noise out of the chain. As well, adding an MPU for the digital frequency circuit would add significantly to the cost of the transmitter. > chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 01:50:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46138 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2005 08:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2005 08:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2005 08:50:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2005 08:50:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2005 08:50:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:50:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 267 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.72.4 From: "Kevin T." Subject: OT: a forgotten stereo classic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=poP7UF26el1LpxJOVJd_R37cNoXZotpuftrUC2EgsJgyu3nQ8A X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics If you think Linda Ronstadt's version of "Blue Bayou" was good, try the original 1963 Roy Orbison version... I heard it on the radio yesterday for the first time, and it was breathtaking... with its wide separation, it would've sounded even better in AM Stereo. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 07:13:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 465 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2005 14:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2005 14:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2005 14:13:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 94245 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2005 14:13:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20050729141321.94243.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:13:21 PDT Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:13:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John P." Subject: OT: Paging TOM RAY,,WOR question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=TiqVXj3uZwOFG0D2yPpO4jd6InYwR-GLScqCaiIhFzlVnVhEtuYtTAY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Tom, Is it true that "The Amazing Kreskin" was on your station the other day on the Joey Reynolds show and that he caused WOR to have 30 seconds of dead air with one of his magic spells?? Maybe it was the Amazing KAHN in disguise? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tomray@wor710.com Fri Jul 29 09:36:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67425 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2005 16:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2005 16:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2005 16:36:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2005 16:36:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2005 16:36:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2005 16:36:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:36:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050729141321.94243.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 818 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: OT: Paging TOM RAY,,WOR question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=h7r1wbTpEJbnxoF1H0BOjl6UcAPgqKjiNpo6GUoVctF1BQbc X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray No, no....wasn't the 'amazing' Kahn.....he died after Star Trek movie #2 or 3, I believe. ;-) Yeah...Kreskin was on...and Mr. Board Op managed to somehow accidentally shut the studio UPS off, which dumped the console and everything else in Studio 4. It had more to do with the Amazing Klumsiness than Kreskin. Sigh. TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Tom, > Is it true that "The Amazing Kreskin" was on your station the other day on the > Joey Reynolds show and that he caused WOR to have 30 seconds of dead air with > one of his magic spells?? > > Maybe it was the Amazing KAHN in disguise? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From tomray@wor710.com Fri Jul 29 09:38:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57589 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2005 16:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2005 16:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2005 16:38:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2005 16:38:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2005 16:38:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2005 16:38:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:38:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 719 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Split singles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=qiMNECKGeIwq_sooA9DmxFVYUoLKwltbVx5YsanqM-OmhEzu X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray I would think that for a record that long, the grooves would need to be extremely narrow. You probably need a very narrow stylus to play it....that's probably why it sounds awful. TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > > > "Macarthur Park" was another seven minute (pluss) song on a 45. We also > > > had copies that were on 7" 33's. > > Longest single 45 side I've seen: "Incident on 57th Street (live version)" by Bruce > Springsteen, flip side of "Fire." Running time 10:03. Sounds atrocious. > > A company called Fleetwood Recording made several "Microsonic" single LPs (mostly > corporate promotions) that ran 90 minutes on a single disc. Also sounded atrocious. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 10:22:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43639 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2005 17:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2005 17:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2005 17:22:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2005 17:21:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2005 17:21:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:21:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 443 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.243.14 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: OT: a forgotten stereo classic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=4Jo7PfqXY_JSL73Ga1Oyb5sjno-mLpy--PhoLTdoH8Wex63E X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > If you think Linda Ronstadt's version of "Blue Bayou" was good, try > the original 1963 Roy Orbison version... I heard it on the radio > yesterday for the first time, and it was breathtaking... with its > wide separation, it would've sounded even better in AM Stereo. I've heard it off-and-on over the years. It peaked at #29 in October, 1963. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 17:20:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17627 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2005 00:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2005 00:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2005 00:20:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2005 00:20:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2005 00:20:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:20:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 999 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.83.4 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Split singles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=tG7Fw8Pqr0It8VaX5_Ruwu4BH1LQr6Mm2pYC0ybfy-GjzyjIgg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I would think that for a record that long, the grooves would need > to be extremely narrow. You probably need a very narrow stylus to > play it....that's probably why it sounds awful. The groove width is probably the same as a regular LP; they just reduced the effective track spacing by keeping the modulation at a low level, especially at bass frequencies -- since on an LP, the louder you lay down the track, the more the groove wiggles, which increases track spacing and reduces the playing time per side. This characteristic is taken advantage of in the opposite manner by LP-size disco/dance EPs, which sometimes only put < 10 minutes of music on one side of a full-size 33-1/3 rpm LP, but yet make use of the full side width, thereby providing a wide track spacing which allows a high modulation level and lots of bass punch -- even moreso than the clipped-to-death CD version of the same music, which is why vinyl is still preferred by many dance music DJs and enthusiasts. From castellano105@yahoo.com Sat Jul 30 05:52:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82158 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2005 12:52:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2005 12:52:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2005 12:52:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2005 12:52:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2005 12:52:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:52:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 227 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.68.27.106 From: "Francisco Guzman" Subject: HD Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758; y=CxT_6D0BvS6iuQEbxPw75QBBNcd6T_PwIZo1qP9hBLR2l1MIe9WnEA X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 Polk Audio has annunce that at the fall of 2005 they will introduce an IBOC Receiver, for AM and FM IBOC Reception. Regular AM FM reception and XM Satilite Reception in the 500+ plus range. Go to Polk Audio Web for details. From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jul 30 07:29:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5504 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2005 14:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2005 14:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailold.corp.in4web.com) (64.246.144.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2005 14:29:08 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (unverified [66.6.177.57]) by mailold.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.1.361.21) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:28:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c59513$2a805d60$39b10642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:29:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 64.246.144.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=nQ9PXyXvYOpwAGAkqsWtdW-yhmVTxqLREXK8-NPWieJr1y4MB01860o0 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Wow! What a great way to have a side by side (side by each if you're from Rhode Island) comparison of good sounding radio and HD. I bet it will be DSP based, making adding a Cquam decoder impossible, tho'... Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco Guzman" To: Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 8:52 AM Subject: {AMSF} HD Radio. > Polk Audio has annunce that at the fall of 2005 they will introduce > an IBOC Receiver, for AM > and FM IBOC Reception. Regular AM FM reception and XM Satilite > Reception in the 500+ plus > range. Go to Polk Audio Web for details. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 30 13:59:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65568 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2005 20:59:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2005 20:59:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2005 20:59:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2005 20:59:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2005 20:59:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:59:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 385 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.246.122 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: HD Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=xOrUyodE3VV0mqZafR1z4LILhLzj25BgMO7QbPMhao0M97GV X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Francisco Guzman" wrote: > Polk Audio has annunce that at the fall of 2005 they will introduce > an IBOC Receiver, for AM > and FM IBOC Reception. Regular AM FM reception and XM Satilite > Reception in the 500+ plus > range. Go to Polk Audio Web for details. Gee, where have I heard all this before? :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w6yn@juno.com Sat Jul 30 19:37:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96085 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2005 02:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2005 02:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2005 02:37:05 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBQ2QKFARJVR8A for (sender ); Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:36:21 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLKEIHx3Fs1vIX4M6hHW5hFQ= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KY72X625; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:35:27 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:34:52 -0700 Message-ID: <20050730.193452.316.5.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ContentStamp: 46:23:2202090869 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Does radio have a future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=dsKcZ6_xPx6PvNK00xzVPJegK-IatI54neCdrEFcDA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Does radio have a future? A new payola scandal. Disgruntled listeners. High-tech rivals. But don't count industry out. By Martin Miller LA Times Staff Writer July 30, 2005 Radio is testing anew the theory that there is no such thing as bad publicity. The industry had better hope so, because for the past couple years, media coverage of it has been filled with about as much good cheer as Asian bird flu. The grim mood swirling around radio intensified earlier this week when a new payola scandal hit. Although a $10-million settlement was reached between Sony BMG, the nation's second-largest music company, and New York Atty. Gen. Eliot Spitzer, the investigation continues and radio is bracing for more revelations of wrongdoing. "This scandal on its own isn't going to break them, but it's another nail in their coffin," said Jerry Del Colliano, a onetime DJ and program director, now a professor of music industry and recording arts at the University of Southern California. "Radio is under fire. They need this like they need a hole in the head." It would be an understatement to say that history will not remember this period as radio's salad days. The trends are mostly down. Radio ad growth lags behind other big media — cable television, Internet, even magazines and newspapers. It continues to shed listeners, whose complaints about soulless, corporatized stations that repeat the same songs over and over again are reaching deafening levels. (The fact that radio stations were caught taking money and gifts from a music company to play their songs only adds to that perception.) In 1993, Americans tuned in to radios more than 23 hours a week. In 2004, that figure had fallen to about 20 hours, according to the Arbitron ratings service. Technology is ramping up to offer static-free alternatives to traditional radio, leading some observers to declare the medium's days of cultural relevance are numbered. Satellite radio, which already claims more than 7 million paid subscribers, is laying siege to radio's base by stealing audience share and big talent like Howard Stern, who is due to depart by the end of this year. The growing preference for iPods and podcasts, which between them allow a user to store, arrange and play music and programs — typically commercial-free — at their leisure, isn't exactly boosting radio's ratings either. And the most potent threat to radio may be yet to come. Internet radio, still years from any kind of widespread use, will essentially have the power to transform any person with a computer into a radio station. Indeed, all these technological advances have forced the term "radio" to surrender its original meaning. To distinguish itself from its high-tech competitors, what had been referred to solely as "radio" now is known in the industry as "terrestrial radio." "Radio faces a huge problem. It can't compete with the variety and convenience of technology," said Michael Harrison, editor of the radio industry magazine Talkers. "It can't be stopped. It's like a mighty river. It's the tide of history." 'Not a bad business' But radio has survived a slew of past technological assaults. At one time, television, CB radios, cassette tapes and MTV were supposed to slay the mighty giant of radio. Defenders contend that the new challengers and those still massing might diminish the medium's influence, but radio will nevertheless endure the changes, the scandals and whatever else may lay ahead. "Terrestrial radio has died many times according to the experts," said Perry Michael Simon, news/talk/sports editor of AllAccess.com, an online journal of the radio industry. "This isn't to say they won't have a bite taken out of them, just as cable did to network television, they will. But it's still not a bad business to be in." In the short term, experts say, the radio industry needs to put its latest scandal behind it as quickly as possible; the longer payola headlines land on front pages, the more the industry will suffer. "Payola is going to further distract and sideline radio from what it needs to be doing," Del Colliano said. "Instead of thinking about how to win over a new generation of listeners, they're going to be thinking about how to keep the feds off of them." For now, the corporate radio station owners have offered little more than "no comment" about their public relations nightmare. Industry observers speculate the coming days for radio will mean little more than drawing up slightly stricter ethical guidelines or reminders about current ones. The main reason, say some, is that rumblings years ago about the payola investigation spurred radio to clean itself up. "There will be some additional level of soul-searching," said Tom Taylor, editor of the trade magazine Inside Radio, which is owned by Clear Channel Communications Inc., the giant San Antonio-based radio chain. "But most companies have already gone through the housecleaning and introspection about this a couple years ago." Still, others point out payola hasn't disappeared — and probably never will. The huge money, oversized egos and massive insecurity that are all hallmarks of the music business will keep payola practices spinning. Spitzer's office is investigating other music companies, and some expect another round of incriminating business practices to be uncovered. "Payola has been an accepted way of doing business for the entire industry for years," said Michael Steele, the program director at KDLD/KDLE-FM's Indie 103.1, who previously held similar posts at Top 40 stations. "But I guess they can't fire everybody." At the same time, there's little argument over whether payola actually achieves what it sets out to do, namely, turn a song into a hit. It doesn't and can't. What it might be able to do though is buy access to the limited playlists of radio stations and give a record a chance to be a hit. "There's an old saying in radio: 'The record is in the grooves.' If it's not in the grooves, you can't make it a hit," Taylor noted. "You can't make people like what they don't like." When radio gets past payola, its main priority must be to attract youngsters who don't have the connection to the medium that their elders do, and did. It's a similar challenge faced by, among others, newspapers and network television. "There's a whole generation that has grown up without loving radio," Del Colliano said. "The next class of high school graduates doesn't know what radio is, doesn't care and doesn't want it. One student told me recently we play what we want — it's called an iPod." Radio isn't dead yet. An estimated 200 million people still tune in to terrestrial radio, and it still has a tremendous cost advantage over its competitors. Satellite radio, computers and iPods can all easily run into the hundreds of dollars to buy — and then there's the hassle of setup. A terrestrial radio can be had for as little as $10, and all you have to do is turn it on and find a station. "Will radio's influence be diminished? Absolutely," said Alex DeMers, president of DeMers Programming Media Consultants, based near Philadelphia. "Is it going to go through change, maybe radical change? Yes. Is it going to go away? No way." From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Jul 31 03:56:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21697 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2005 10:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2005 10:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2005 10:56:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 03:56:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:56:51 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereo@bellsouth.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:56:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2005 10:56:51.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E9C4CE0:01C595BE] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: What Does the HD stand for??Revolution on the Radio - New York Times reprint of Ibiquity Press Release X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 and you though HD stood for High Definition! :) The technology to make this happen - called in-band on-channel, or IBOC - h= ides digital signals at low power in the spaces between stations. Only one = company's technology has been approved by the Federal Communications Commis= sion:=20 HD Radio from iBiquity Digital.=20 (IBiquity says HD does not stand for high definition - or anything else.)=20 http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/28/technology/circuits/28basics.html?th=3D&e= mc=3Dth&pagewanted=3Dprint ######################### Apparently and incredibly (if we are to believe this press release reprint)= - HD does not stand for High Definition or anything else for that matter; = Ibiquity I'm sure thought that HD did sound better and more marketable than= BS radio and of course, I'm sure Ibiquity also hoped that people would aut= omatically assume (as they have) that the HD stood for High Definition) Notice, that the "journalist" of this article doesn't use the first person = at all, everything just seems to be quoting from a press release, so Judith= Miller certainly isn't the only NY Times reporter just to parrot press rel= eases. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NY TIMES July 29, 2005 Revolution on the Radio By GLENN FLEISHMAN Plug a set of headphones into a radio tuned to an FM jazz station. Hear the= hiss at the bottom of the range and the fuzz at the top. Remember why you = like compact discs.=20 But don't be impatient: wait eight seconds. An "HD" light appears on the tu= ner. And now the bottom drops out. The hiss turns to silence. The stereo ch= annels separate, opening a cramped room into a performance hall. And the hi= gh fuzz is now crisp high notes from a trumpet or Ella Fitzgerald.=20 You have just heard terrestrial digital radio. Or you would have - if you c= ould get your hands on a receiver. Satellite digital radio has captured the attention of consumers and investo= rs with its billions spent and millions of paying subscribers. But a quiet = digital revolution has hit the AM and FM dials as well: more than 450 stati= ons in the United States now broadcast one or two digital channels alongsid= e analog ones. At least 2,000 of the more than 12,000 stations in the count= ry are committed to adding the format. The technology to make this happen - called in-band on-channel, or IBOC - h= ides digital signals at low power in the spaces between stations. Only one = company's technology has been approved by the Federal Communications Commis= sion: HD Radio from iBiquity Digital. (IBiquity says HD does not stand for = high definition - or anything else.)=20 #################### Incredible, the article also goes on to state that due to the multiple chan= nel capabilities of FM IBOC HD(? or whatever) radio, that it will be poss= ible in a future version of HD radio (Horse Dung? ) to have pay to listen b= roadcast on IBOC terrestrial radio. Here's that quote from the press relea= se. This will be a relief to ClearChannel, Infinity and Cox, they'll be ab= le to make even more money! off the public airwaves at the expense of the p= ublic of course! : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from the press release: "A future version of the technology will feature a data uplink that could l= et stations have a "buy now" button for songs. "There's no better place to = make an impulse purchase than when I'm sitting in traffic," Mr. Struble sai= d. HD Radio has the potential to limit access to certain channels by receiver = serial number, much as with satellite digital radio, so that specific progr= amming could be delivered for a fee. Mr. Starling mused that the "buy now" button might read "pledge now" for pu= blic radio stations, and that a station could allow only listeners who dona= te funds to tune to a digital channel free of fund-raising during pledge dr= ives." ########################### From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sun Jul 31 15:34:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56162 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2005 22:34:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2005 22:34:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2005 22:34:48 -0000 Received: from [4.247.124.245] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DzMON-0003BK-Qq for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:34:48 -0400 Message-ID: <410-220057031223458328@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.21.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:34:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc397c827a535ef83604e12842f5e51dcc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} What Does the HD stand for??Revolution on the Radio - New York Times reprintof Ibiquity Press Release X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think HD refers to "Heavy Dumping", which is the effect the technology has on the AM band. Don's email was very interesting. Dick W. > From: Donn Tillman florida_amstereo@hotmail.com > Date: 7/31/2005 6:56:51 AM > Subject: {AMSF} What Does the HD stand for??Revolution on the Radio - New York Times reprintof Ibiquity Press Release > > (IBiquity says HD does not stand for high definition - or anything else.) > > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/28/technology/circuits/28basics.html?th=&emc=th&pagewanted=print > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From castellano105@yahoo.com Sun Jul 31 16:13:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: castellano105@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14404 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2005 23:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2005 23:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60225.mail.yahoo.com) (209.73.178.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2005 23:13:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 28002 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2005 23:13:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20050731231303.28000.qmail@web60225.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.34.129.40] by web60225.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:13:03 PDT Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:13:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <410-220057031223458328@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 209.73.178.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Francisco Guzman Subject: RE: {AMSF} What Does the HD stand for??Revolution on the Radio - New York Times reprintof Ibiquity Press Release X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=172142758; y=7-2jbNtYWLzde28wtaNtZGi9fH8cylKOJMQcyDUVMi59HnPnJ4zD4g X-Yahoo-Profile: castellano105 2005,21century AM Mono and AM Stereo are in their final Days of existence. Evolution marches on even in Electronics. You may not like HD Radio and maybe it's only a temporary stage to the next Evolutionary stage of Electronics,but change is coming. Their is no turning back the clock,new communications transmissions and reception in the commercial and entertainment industry are sure to come. --- Dick W wrote: > I think HD refers to "Heavy Dumping", which is the > effect the technology has on the AM band. > > Don's email was very interesting. > Dick W. > > > > From: Donn Tillman florida_amstereo@hotmail.com > > Date: 7/31/2005 6:56:51 AM > > > Subject: {AMSF} What Does the HD stand > for??Revolution on the Radio - New York Times > reprintof Ibiquity Press Release > > > > (IBiquity says HD does not stand for high > definition - or anything else.) > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/28/technology/circuits/28basics.html?th=&emc=th&pagewanted=print > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Jul 31 17:37:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95005 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 00:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 00:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 00:37:45 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:37:44 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by BAY106-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:37:43 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:37:43 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2005 00:37:44.0231 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B4BBB70:01C59631] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: RE: {AMSF} What Does the HD stand for??Revolution on the Radio - New York Times reprintof Ibiquity Press Release X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 >2005,21[st]century AM Mono and AM >Stereo are in their final Days of existence. >Evolution marches on even in >Electronics. You may not like HD Radio >and maybe it's only a temporary stage to > the next Evolutionary stage >of Electronics,but change is coming. No one is denying that change is coming; everything is always changing, som= etimes for the better, sometimes the changes seem to take us backwards. (i.= e. try to call most businesses and speak to a live person!; automated phone= systems and the new technology that brought it about is one change, that t= o me is not an improvement). I've even heard speculation that even the FM band may be on it's last legs,= which could be why ClearChannel is diversifying and getting into billboard= s, real estate and concert halls and amphitheatres etc. Part of the changes and evolution in the NY Times press release refers to t= he next change in IBOC may bring about paying to listen to the radio; much = like Satellite radio. Personally, I'm not against change per se; ( who can be against change that= is an actual improvement, as opposed to change, which seems to be more of = a marketing ploy) which is why I am now listening to satellite radio, somet= hing that three years ago, I wouldn't ever thought I would do. You're right, the clock marches on; but I don't intend to embrace or suppor= t bad business decisions, just because time marches on. Time will march on regardless of whether I listen to commercial laden radi= o or satellite radio. The FCC (3 of the five FCC commissioners) have made = their choice and I have made mine. Donn=20 27.761 latitude north -----Original Message----- From: Donn Tillman Sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:57:26 -0700 To: Francisco Guzman Subject: RE: {AMSF} What Does the HD stand for??Revolution on the Radio - N= ew York Times reprintof Ibiquity Press Release >2005,21[st]century AM Mono and AM >Stereo are in their final Days of existence. >Evolution marches on even in >Electronics. You may not like HD Radio >and maybe it's only a temporary stage to > the next Evolutionary stage >of Electronics,but change is coming. No one is denying that change is coming; everything is always changing, som= etimes for the better, sometimes the changes seem to take us backwards. (i.= e. try to call most businesses and speak to a live person!; automated phone= systems and the new technology that brought it about is one change, that t= o me is not an improvement). I've even heard speculation that even the FM band may be on it's last legs,= which could be why ClearChannel is diversifying and getting into billboard= s, real estate and concert halls and amphitheatres etc. Part of the changes and evolution in the NY Times press release refers to t= he next change in IBOC may bring about paying to listen to the radio; much = like Satellite radio. Personally, I'm not against change per se; ( who can be against change that= is an actual improvement, as opposed to change, which seems to be more of = a marketing ploy) which is why I am now listening to satellite radio, somet= hing that three years ago, I wouldn't ever thought I would do. You're right, the clock marches on; but I don't intend to embrace or suppor= t bad business decisions, just because time marches on. Time will march on regardless of whether I listen to commercial laden radi= o or satellite radio. The FCC (3 of the five FCC commissioners) have made = their choice and I have made mine. Donn=20 27.761 latitude north -----Original Message----- From: Francisco Guzman Sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:13:03 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} What Does the HD stand for??Revolution on the Radio - N= ew York Times reprintof Ibiquity Press Release 2005,21century AM Mono and AM Stereo are in their final Days of existence. Evolution marches on even in Electronics. You may not like HD Radio and maybe it's only a temporary stage to the next Evolutionary stage of Electronics,but change is coming. Their is no turning back the clock,new communications transmissions and reception in the commercial and entertainment industry are sure to come. --- Dick W wrote: > I think HD refers to "Heavy Dumping", which is the > effect the technology has on the AM band. >=20 > Don's email was very interesting. > Dick W. >=20 >=20 > > From: Donn Tillman florida_amstereo@hotmail.com > > Date: 7/31/2005 6:56:51 AM >=20 > > Subject: {AMSF} What Does the HD stand > for??Revolution on the Radio - New York Times > reprintof Ibiquity Press Release > > > > (IBiquity says HD does not stand for high > definition - or anything else.)=20 > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/28/technology/circuits/28basics.html?th=3D&e= mc=3Dth&pagewanted=3Dprint > > >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] >=20 >=20 Franciscoguzman@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Aug 02 18:26:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6589 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2005 01:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2005 01:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2005 01:26:31 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.126]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.5a) with ESMTP id 1650133 for ; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:26:30 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c597cb$011d9b80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000501c59513$2a805d60$39b10642@4bmx301> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:30:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=4, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.126 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=orzIQRjG21WamY8er7_xOKNZGqPOKG-IpyNPGgaK5OqIm_2s5Z4B X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I forgot the name of another HD radio that was mentioned a few weeks ago, but it has a data port for downloading codec upgrades. If this is similarly equipped, who is to say we couldn't get a hold of the AM stereo decoding software and dump that in as well? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" > Wow! What a great way to have a side by side (side by each if you're from > Rhode Island) comparison of good sounding radio and HD. I bet it will be DSP > based, making adding a Cquam decoder impossible, tho'... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Francisco Guzman" > > > Polk Audio has annunce that at the fall of 2005 they will introduce > > an IBOC Receiver, for AM > > and FM IBOC Reception. Regular AM FM reception and XM Satilite > > Reception in the 500+ plus > > range. Go to Polk Audio Web for details. From rjskadl@yahoo.com Wed Aug 03 10:49:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83588 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2005 17:49:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2005 17:49:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2005 17:49:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 17:49:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 17:49:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 17:49:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:49:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 844 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 129.49.148.58 From: "RJSKADL" Subject: Full Power Alfredo Lite? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919; y=bkeOE8NcLyqIfDY5rIRKQRqqAnuP6Zx_KvDSQg8YfaTrBw X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl Someone on another message board had posted that Chris Cuff was now making Alfredo Lite transmitters at full 100mw power, and that if you had an old low power version that he would modify it to put out 100mw and include the appropriate power supply for $100. Is there any truth to this? I'm currently running a Ramsey at 100mw, but would much rather be running my Alfredo. I built a kick butt antenna in my yard, but unfortunately there is so much static in the neighborhood that I can't get a static free signal in the house with such low power. The 100mw that the ramsey puts out cuts right through the static. Unfortunately the Ramsey has other inherent problems. It would be great to put the Alfredo on as the main TX! Also, if anyone needs suggestions or ideas for an antenna, I can point you towards a fantastic design. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Aug 03 12:09:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58917 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2005 19:09:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2005 19:09:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2005 19:09:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 19:09:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 19:09:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 19:09:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:09:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 426 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.127.243.109 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Full Power Alfredo Lite? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=QY-FiycUNJFRL4py4_m3rgPD4nVoAz2YZTb4asiq_pNZSDkA X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "RJSKADL" wrote: > > Someone on another message board had posted that Chris Cuff was now > making Alfredo Lite transmitters at full 100mw power, and that if you > had an old low power version that he would modify it to put out 100mw > and include the appropriate power supply for $100. > > Is there any truth to this? Yes. Contact Chris for details. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w6yn@juno.com Wed Aug 03 16:46:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73947 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2005 23:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2005 23:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2005 23:46:51 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBRCX4NALN2Z2S for (sender ); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:46:20 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLPUTgs34gyr0sfODlxPMZBQ= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KZH2U5SL; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:46:12 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:30:29 -0700 Message-ID: <20050803.164457.1212.13.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ContentStamp: 1:1:117868922 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: KDIS had reverted to C-Quam on Monday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=ie_NTvVq8FFAHEHkLxqqdh6Ac0c46NB7bDz9wtMh_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn KDIS had reverted to C-Quam on Monday KNX has temporarily suspended IBOC From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 03 17:57:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53510 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2005 00:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2005 00:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2005 00:57:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 00:57:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 00:57:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 00:57:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050803.164457.1212.13.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 280 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.105.83.116 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KDIS had reverted to C-Quam on Monday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=3Q_8aaGWodvjphZny2zxlBbIBTlMfUxaKAkUvl4Qvs03brayODQxZWBiid7K8pA6OToioGl9 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > KDIS had reverted to C-Quam on Monday > > KNX has temporarily suspended IBOC Hey Gang Cool!!! Now maybe KNX AM 1070 will go back to C-QUAM to. I am still hoping for the Drama Hour. Jim Smith From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Wed Aug 03 18:18:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79634 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2005 01:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2005 01:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2005 01:18:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 01:18:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 01:18:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 01:18:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 448 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.164.49.29 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: KDIS had reverted to C-Quam on Monday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=ickrsUGdCGY9bcG7PYorOx0rDoj6Ot9RuPkHFTwzkQqYkCn84v83dQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: > > KDIS had reverted to C-Quam on Monday > > > > KNX has temporarily suspended IBOC > > > Hey Gang Cool!!! Now maybe KNX AM 1070 will go back to C-QUAM to. I > am still hoping for the Drama Hour. Jim Smith Well, that was short-lived. KDIS is back to bad, non-C-QUAM mono. db From rbrucecarter@yahoo.com Fri Aug 05 08:48:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rbrucecarter@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96379 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2005 15:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2005 15:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2005 15:48:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2005 15:48:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2005 15:48:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:48:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050731231303.28000.qmail@web60225.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1074 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.94.94.105 From: "Bruce Carter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What Does the HD stand for??Revolution on the Radio - New York Times reprintof Ibiquity Press Release X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116052011; y=2b9huZTiuyY3n9Z3OkrYG4QZRWcQ2WjH5odNjmnEA4S0RTzB88ST X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter > 2005,21century AM Mono and AM Stereo are in their > final Days of existence. Evolution marches on even in > Electronics. You may not like HD Radio and maybe it's > only a temporary stage to the next Evolutionary stage > of Electronics,but change is coming. Their is no > turning back the clock,new communications > transmissions and reception in the commercial and > entertainment industry are sure to come. Said one lemming to another: "2005, 21 century the grassy meadow is in their final Days of existence. Evolution marches on even in grazing. You may not like the cliff and maybe it's only a temporary stage to the next Evolutionary stage of feeding, but change is coming. Their is no turning back the clock, the cliff, sharp rocks, and the ocean below are sure to come." The latest IBOC revelation: it drastically cuts down FM coverage area. One station in Houston lost 50 to 60 miles of range - which includes some of the wealthiest suburbs! The old "1mV contour" is now becoming a "2 mV contour" - just to accomodate the "improvement" of HD radio. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Aug 05 20:17:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19254 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2005 03:17:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2005 03:17:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2005 03:17:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:17:47 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by BAY101-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 06 Aug 2005 03:17:47 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:17:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2005 03:17:47.0487 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B590EF0:01C59A35] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Radio Ga Ga X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=pekLsewZ_npiiEKrgCGd_8iKn8EKHuRr9i-gwJAfb_8RW4Pxj6AlW1MtA_tg6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Radio Ga Ga I'd sit alone and watch your light My only friend through teenage nights And everything I had to know I heard it on my radio Radio. You gave them all those old time stars Through wars of worlds - invaded by Mars You made 'em laugh - you made 'em cry You made us feel like we could fly. So don't become some background noise A backdrop for the girls and boys Who just don't know or just don't care And just complain when you're not there You had your time, you had the power You've yet to have your finest hour Radio. All we hear is Radio ga ga Radio goo goo Radio ga ga All we hear is Radio ga ga Radio blah blah Radio what's new? Radio, someone still loves you! We watch the shows - we watch the stars On videos for hour and hours We hardly need to use our ears How music changes through the years. Let's hope you never leave old friend Like all good things on you we depend So stick around cos we might miss you When we grow tired of all this visual You had your time, you had the power You've yet to have your finest hour Radio. All we hear is Radio ga ga Radio goo goo Radio ga ga All we hear is Radio ga ga Radio goo goo Radio ga ga All we hear is Radio ga ga Radio blah blah Radio waht's new? Radio, someone still loves you! Queen From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 05 22:53:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78762 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2005 05:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2005 05:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2005 05:53:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2005 05:53:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2005 05:53:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2005 05:53:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 05:53:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 160 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.246.96 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Radio Ga Ga X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=RvSG0o1MzFlVeKwrXI0at0kByXscn17Bm-NUnKHPbHw_Nu5x X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Radio Ga Ga -snip- I think Possum Hunter understands. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Aug 06 19:18:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38830 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2005 02:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2005 02:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2005 02:18:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:18:32 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by BAY101-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 02:18:32 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 21:57:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2005 02:18:32.0503 (UTC) FILETIME=[4ED34C70:01C59AF6] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio Ga Ga X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=EdsjcK2XPybhpkrGHIlL346uQp7Qldz5BWiek6E-iqueu9-SgkRwseAmktYXlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > I think Possum Hunter understands. :) And somebody at Clear Channel understands! During the week, FM talker WTKS 104.1 http://www.wtks.com/ absolutely SUCKS, but on the weekends, they switch to a killer music format playing music that just is not heard on the radio anymore. On a typical "Real Music Weekend" http://www.wtks.com/musicwkends.html you will hear a mix of anything from Men Without Hats to the Killer Dwarfs to Switchblade Symphony. They have real DJs and even remotes! Too bad it is on FM because C-QUAM sounds better than FM-Stereo, but it is the format that most of us bitch about most, and Clear Channel finally got one right, even if it is only on the weekends and overnights on a second rate talker FM that can barely be heard in Tampa. I wish they would turn the Stereo on 540 and put "Real Music" on it 24/7! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amstereoexp@yahoo.com Tue Aug 09 22:47:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoexp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28376 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2005 05:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2005 05:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54609.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.179) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2005 05:47:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 343 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2005 05:47:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20050810054729.341.qmail@web54609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.70.9] by web54609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 22:47:29 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:47:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: tennantk@adelphia.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Kevin Tekel Subject: Fwd: c-quam stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78550888; y=A2wLhPXMXTKC6s2a5QlOxwGn4EyHIS_RMoSb46elVxrQadPmZAo X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoexp Ken, Right now I am forwarding your message to our AM Stereo Forum group. With over 300 members, I'm sure you'll quickly find a taker for that equipment! Regards, Kevin T. http://www.AMStereo.tk --- Ken Tennant wrote: > From: "Ken Tennant" > To: > Subject: c-quam stuff > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:37:55 -0400 > > For the fans of AM stereo, I have a Motorola exciter set on 1300 kHz, > and two Motorola stereo modulation monitors. All were working when > removed from the air in 2000. They are taking up rack space and I would > let them go cheap. I would appreciate if you would pass the information > to those interested in such gear. > > Thanks, > > Ken > tennantk@adelphia.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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CLIC BELOW, http://www.radio603.info.se/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 12 11:20:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68400 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 18:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 18:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52014.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.97) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 18:20:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 5173 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2005 18:20:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20050812182039.5171.qmail@web52014.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.218.40.7] by web52014.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:20:39 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:20:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001c01c59dbe$f87cc240$9391d152@bredband2.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: JNR Subject: WNMB website for inclusion on AM Stereo radio lists X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=EWAIti9sj92JwTvC8Rq3k-t0L6oArjVqXbczO1CwLxKx_0BBh6sG X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio www.wnmb.net ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 12 12:33:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81428 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 19:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 19:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 19:33:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 19:32:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 19:32:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:32:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050812182039.5171.qmail@web52014.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 255 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.246.210 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: WNMB website for inclusion on AM Stereo radio lists X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=XQOi9TThTdvqKXJuWdAfyK4PsMp_UYkRHGSoMPkD4GJ-7CF9 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > www.wnmb.net The live Windows Media stream is stereo, but there's no indication the station broadcasts in C-QUAM AM stereo. Calling all South Carolinian AMSers...! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Aug 12 16:52:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7864 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 23:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 23:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52410.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.173) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 23:52:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 71005 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2005 23:52:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20050812235223.71003.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.151] by web52410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:52:23 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:52:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WNMB website for inclusion on AM Stereo radio lists X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=P-HwB9rROClmH-cv5-b-TWIMEMMZy89hF98M3io3ZEE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR > wrote: > > www.wnmb.net > > The live Windows Media stream is stereo, but there's > no indication the > station broadcasts in C-QUAM AM stereo. > > Calling all South Carolinian AMSers...! > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I'm 150 miles away and not a chance to hear it. Powell ( near West Columbia SC) w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Aug 12 20:15:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 937 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2005 03:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2005 03:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2005 03:15:00 -0000 Received: from [4.247.122.20] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E3mU7-0000aA-MG for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 23:15:00 -0400 Message-ID: <410-22005861331516656@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.21.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 23:15:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bce76b996f3ab56477942a75209803b43f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: WGUL 860 AM, Tampa-St. Petersburg Area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 For 25 or more years, this great station has broadcast "Music of Your Life"/ Jukebox hits for 24 hours a day, with real local live DJs during the daytime. For many of those years it broadcast on both AM & FM. WGUL was an early AM stereo station, and believe me, it sounded great back in those days. Well, it happened this afternoon. Around 3:30pm, in the car, I heard all the WGUL disk jockeys talking together and reminiscing about the station, and they mentioned that at 5:00 pm the format would be changed to the new owner's format. The new owner is apparently Salem. I wasn't unable to continue listening at that time, and I had to leave the radio. But after 5:00 pm, listening in my car radio, 860 AM was playing an old Ronald Reagan speech. This was followed later by an old George Bush speech. Unfortunately for me, since I don't enjoy talk radio, this pretty well ends my long relationship as a listener on AM radio in Tampa. I'll always have an interest in DXing, but regretfully there's no programming on AM in the Bay area here that appeals to me. Such is life...! Dick W From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Fri Aug 12 21:48:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52984 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2005 04:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2005 04:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au) (150.229.7.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2005 04:48:12 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au (138.194.3.56) by act-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au with ESMTP; 13 Aug 2005 14:41:53 +1000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,104,1122818400"; d="scan'208"; a="58085497:sNHT21611036" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 13 Aug 2005 14:41:53 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 14:41:50 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} WGUL 860 AM, Tampa-St. Petersburg Area Thread-Index: AcWftTQGmKKQlSmST2OCeTmGmsSC3wACQ8rA To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2005 04:41:53.0739 (UTC) FILETIME=[540A41B0:01C59FC1] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} WGUL 860 AM, Tampa-St. Petersburg Area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=A97HB_57rjceD1tT6AkjETCIfUCBkuRjC0KR9Zrsvnsb From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Dick W > For 25 or more years, this great station has broadcast "Music of Your > Life"/ Jukebox hits for 24 hours a day, with real local live DJs during t= he > daytime. For many of those years it broadcast on both AM & FM. WGUL was > an early AM stereo station, and believe me, it sounded great back in thos= e > days.=20=20 Hi Dick. I've heard this format streamed live in Oz. And I love it. > Well, it happened this afternoon. Around 3:30pm, in the car, I heard all > the WGUL disk jockeys talking together and reminiscing about the station, > and they mentioned that at 5:00 pm the format would be changed to the new > owner's format. The new owner is apparently Salem. I wasn't unable to > continue listening at that time, and I had to leave the radio. But after > 5:00 pm, listening in my car radio, 860 AM was playing an old Ronald Reag= an > speech. This was followed later by an old George Bush speech.=20=20 It would seem to me that those at Salem should be preaching what Jesus said= in The Bible - but I imagine those in charge are enjoying their affluence = and power. God help the little people. > Unfortunately for me, since I don't enjoy talk radio, this pretty well en= ds > my long relationship as a listener on AM radio in Tampa. I'll always hav= e > an interest in DXing, but regretfully there's no programming on AM in the > Bay area here that appeals to me.=20=20 Wouldn't it be nice if the FCC only issued (finite) radio licences to those= who were considered "fit and appropriate" to supply valuable broadcasts to= local areas? To me in Oz it seems capitalism gone mad ... > Such is life...! > Dick W This is exactly what our infamous bushranger Ned Kelly said just before he = was hung in Melbourne Jail. In some ways it's a shame people misunderstood= him. Ian Melbourne From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 12 22:39:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26612 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2005 05:39:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2005 05:39:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2005 05:39:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2005 05:39:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2005 05:39:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 05:39:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 170 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.115.111.189 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WGUL 860 AM, Tampa-St. Petersburg Area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=fJQLvhv0-MP65e7_SeMYhhFP1dnr9dL-E0WaVC86QCiSqxQT X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Ian, licenses here are still up for periodic review every few years, just.....not much requirements behind them. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Feeling increasingly disenchanted...) From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Aug 13 00:01:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68909 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2005 07:01:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2005 07:01:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.95) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2005 07:01:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:01:12 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.208 by BAY106-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 07:01:12 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereo@bellsouth.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 07:01:12 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2005 07:01:12.0767 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA68B4F0:01C59FD4] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: R.I.P. WGUL/Music of your LIfe; History of WGUL Radio Station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Here is some interesting history (Website updated late yesterday telling ab= out the demise of WGUL): http://fivay.org/wgul.html Salem now will have 5 am stations in the St Petersburg/Tampa & adjacent Bra= denton/Sarasota markets (570, 860, 910 and 930); so there must be money to = be made for the religious/politcal talk formats. Salem also recently acquired WKAT 1360, Miami Beach and switched it's forma= t from Classical to religious/politcal talk as well. (as a footnote, Salem = has a CP to increase WKAT's power from 5,000 to 50,000 watts). I imagine Genesis Broadcasting Corporation (1040 am and 1470 am) will have= some catching up to do, if they want to stay competitive in this radio mar= ket in the religious/politcal format niche. (1100 and 1420 am are also reli= gious oriented formats). WGUL's demise leaves two urban contemporary stations that play music (1150 = and 1590) and four Spanish music formatted stations. ( 680, 760, 1300 and 1= 550). The AM band here was enjoyable while it lasted before IBOC and the out of s= tate chains hijacking live and local programming. But "time marches on" and we can't stop "progress" and Talk(radio) is cheap= ! (Aren't platitudes grand!!) Donn 27.761 latitude north listening to xm From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Aug 13 01:23:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94622 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2005 08:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2005 08:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2005 08:23:44 -0000 Received: from [4.247.125.197] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E3rHu-00053c-Jo for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 04:22:43 -0400 Message-ID: <410-22005861382257421@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.21.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 04:22:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc5385885c7d843930c44e2b7165b29a28350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} WGUL 860 AM, Tampa-St. Petersburg Area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 I'm glad I recorded several hours of WGUL a couple of years ago. It's hard to believe that the FCC sets any kinds of standards any more, other than technical standards. Radio in America is in poor shape. Perhaps that's why many people are switching to services like XM. However, I like to listen to local disk jockeys and announcers. I enjoy it when the make reference to local places and events. Perhaps it makes them seem more neighborly and less commercial? Don't know.... Anyway, radio - even FM in America - is very sterile and boring. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 8/13/2005 8:41:53 PM > Subject: RE: {AMSF} WGUL 860 AM, Tampa-St. Petersburg Area > > > > From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Dick W > > > > For 25 or more years, this great station has broadcast "Music of Your > > Life"/ Jukebox hits for 24 hours a day, with real local live DJs during the > > daytime. For many of those years it broadcast on both AM & FM. WGUL was > > an early AM stereo station, and believe me, it sounded great back in those > > days. > > > Hi Dick. I've heard this format streamed live in Oz. And I love it. > > > > Well, it happened this afternoon. Around 3:30pm, in the car, I heard all > > the WGUL disk jockeys talking together and reminiscing about the station, > > and they mentioned that at 5:00 pm the format would be changed to the new > > owner's format. The new owner is apparently Salem. I wasn't unable to > > continue listening at that time, and I had to leave the radio. But after > > 5:00 pm, listening in my car radio, 860 AM was playing an old Ronald Reagan > > speech. This was followed later by an old George Bush speech. > > > It would seem to me that those at Salem should be preaching what Jesus said in The Bible - but I imagine those in charge are enjoying their affluence and power. God help the little people. > > > > Unfortunately for me, since I don't enjoy talk radio, this pretty well ends > > my long relationship as a listener on AM radio in Tampa. I'll always have > > an interest in DXing, but regretfully there's no programming on AM in the > > Bay area here that appeals to me. > > > Wouldn't it be nice if the FCC only issued (finite) radio licences to those who were considered "fit and appropriate" to supply valuable broadcasts to local areas? > > > To me in Oz it seems capitalism gone mad ... > > > > Such is life...! > > Dick W > > > This is exactly what our infamous bushranger Ned Kelly said just before he was hung in Melbourne Jail. In some ways it's a shame people misunderstood him. > > > Ian > Melbourne > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Aug 13 18:41:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88418 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2005 01:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2005 01:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2005 01:41:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:41:10 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.210 by BAY106-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 01:41:10 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereo@bellsouth.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 01:41:10 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2005 01:41:10.0831 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F938BF0:01C5A071] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Tampa Bay's WGUL - the beginning of the end (11 Sept 2002) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Did a little research and apparently WGUL at first was a strong supporter o= f IBOC, but ...... well, I'll let the CEO of the late WGUL inc use his own = words: {from Radio World Online]: "WGUL-FM, Inc. is the licensee of a number of stations, both AM and FM, in = Florida. It has long been a supporter of IBOC, and has even offered its sta= tion WGUL-AM as a test site at its own expense. However, WGUL-FM, Inc fears= that the future of IBOC digital is now being controlled by those who have = no desire to see the AM band (and particularly smaller stations) succeed. .= .. "It should be troubling to all broadcasters of good faith that Ibiquity is = guided by America's largest broadcasters, some of whom think it perfectly a= ppropriate to own revenue shares of 95 percent in markets like Sarasota-Bra= denton, Fla., and whose bulk of ownership come from FM stations and 50 kW A= Ms. Ibiquity is an FM-concentrated company at its core with no real incenti= ve to pull AM stations into parity with FMs." Carl J. Marcocci Chairman/CEO, The Gulf AM-FM Group WGUL-FM, Inc., Licensee Tampa, Fla.=20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Apparently during a transition period, a station is not required to do stat= ion i.d.'s at the top of the hour. The new owners of WGUL/WLSS (Salem) are just running a tape loop of State o= f the Union speeches by Ronald Reagan and both Bushes. No time checks, no = announcements, no station i.d.'s. (at least not at the top of the hour or n= ear the top of the hour I listened to this afternoon from 45 minutes past t= he hour to 6 minutes past the hour. =20 -----Original Message----- From: DJL4LOONS@aol.com Sent: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:52:31 -0700 To: Dennis' AM Stereo List Mailing List Subject: Dennis' AM Stereo List: R.I.P. WGUL/Music of your LIfe; History of= WGUL R... In a message dated 8/13/2005 12:03:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 florida_amstereo@hotmail.com writes: > Salem now will have 5 am stations in the St Petersburg/Tampa & adjacent=20 > Bradenton/Sarasota markets (570, 860, 910 and 930); so there must be mone= y to be=20 > made for the religious/politcal talk formats. >=20 That's all that Salem knows to do with AM stations. They're very=20 narrow-minded and want to create cash-cow, studio-less satellite-programmed= stations...=20 may as well tune into satellite radio. But I don't understand who can sit= =20 there and listen to that political stuff day-in and day-out, especially to = the=20 snake-oil stuff all weekend (at least that is what the religious outlets se= em=20 put on). Guess there are a lot of "special" people in their listening audie= nce. -Darwin Thousand Oaks, CA From myglobaltexas@yahoo.com Sun Aug 14 06:02:18 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 15 07:53:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53033 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2005 14:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2005 14:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2005 14:53:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 37000 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2005 14:53:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20050815145314.36998.qmail@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 07:53:14 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 07:53:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: OT; last radio station in Hollywood left town X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=uLnkiNJx31kRkR4bsJB-YqpNrafmXe9xRutDY_5rts3dAuKOmFdl51Q X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hollywood's last radio station...details from the Times... http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-hollywood11aug11,1,3479300.story?coll=la-headlines-california&ctrack=1&cset=true ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Aug 15 15:56:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84483 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2005 22:56:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2005 22:56:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.79) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2005 22:56:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:56:49 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.207 by BAY106-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:56:48 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:56:48 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2005 22:56:49.0451 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E8FDFB0:01C5A1EC] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT; last radio station in Hollywood left town X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 If only those walls of KNX could talk; you would hear Jack Benny, James Dea= n, Gene Autry, Art Linkletter, Burns and Allen, Steve Alen etc. For those, who aren't or don't want to register with the L.A. Times; here i= s the first part of the article: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THE STATE Hollywood, Radio Finally Part Waves By Bob Pool Times Staff Writer August 11, 2005 If everything goes as expected, nobody will really notice. But with the planned flip of a switch at 11:05 p.m. Friday, another piece o= f Hollywood's golden age will disappear forever. Microphones at the last radio station in Hollywood will go dead as announce= rs and newscasters complete their final on-air shift at the historic Columb= ia Square broadcast center. The relocation of Los Angeles' first radio station, KNX-AM (1070), to new s= tudios in Wilshire Boulevard's Miracle Mile area will end an 85-year tradit= ion of radio broadcasting in the place that bills itself as the world's cen= ter of entertainment. Over the years, Hollywood has been home to 68 radio stations and nine telev= ision stations. In the last few years, five television stations have left. And when Columbia Square is shut down next year, two more =E2=80=94 KCBS-TV= Channel 2 and KCAL-TV Channel 9 =E2=80=94 will move to new headquarters be= ing built in Studio City. That will leave just two television stations, KTL= A-TV Channel 5 and KCET-TV Channel 28, in Tinseltown. After KCBS and KCAL depart, the Streamline Moderne building at 6121 Sunset = Blvd. is expected to be demolished to make way for new development. "I never thought I'd see the day when there are no radio broadcasts out of = Hollywood," said KNX assistant news director Ronnie Bradford, who joined th= e station in 1968. "This is a company town =E2=80=94 movies, television and= radio." The exodus ironically comes as Hollywood is in the midst of a major upswing= . After years of decline, crime is down and a host of new trendy bars, rest= aurants, hotels and theaters has drawn young people back. But many believe that the loss of radio has less to do with neighborhood re= vitalization than corporate economics. The dozens of radio and TV stations, once independently owned, are now part= of big corporate chains. These companies, like Infinity and Clear Channel,= save money by consolidating engineering and administrative jobs under one = roof. The radio and TV buildings in Hollywood are old, making it hard to co= nform with the latest technology. Infinity owns seven radio stations, including KROQ-FM (106.7) and KRTH-FM (= 101), while Clear Channel owns 10, such as KIIS-FM (102.7) and KFI-AM (640)= . For some, Friday will mark a dark day in Hollywood =E2=80=94 and a reminder= of how much the radio business has changed. "There was a time when big stars were available to come on radio shows. The= y'd be passing by a studio and would just stop and come inside," said Johnn= y Grant, who had a 1951-59 afternoon show on Sunset Boulevard's KMPC-AM (71= 0).=20 "Someone would call back, 'Bing Crosby's out here =E2=80=94 what should I d= o with him?' And I'd say, 'Bring him on back,' and I'd put him on the air." to everybody back then; there was no TV. Columbia Square was the epitome of= radio. Everything was modern. It was beautiful," remembered Sherman Oaks r= esident Art Gilmore, who was working as a KNX announcer the day Columbia Sq= uare opened. During the 1940s and '50s hundreds would line up in the building's U-shaped= forecourt to get in to see live productions of radio shows featuring Jack = Benny, Art Linkletter, Burns and Allen, Edgar Bergen, Orson Welles, Jackie = Gleason, Steve Allen, Eddie Cantor, Rosemary Clooney and Ed Wynn. Celebrities rubbed elbows with fans at Brittingham's Restaurant, on the eas= t side of the forecourt. Passersby could watch broadcast engineers sending = out the CBS West Coast feed from a large, almost theatrical-looking master = control room visible through a wide front window. Forty-five-minute tours o= f the studios were offered daily for 40 cents. "It was a little awesome just walking into Columbia Square," said Mel Baldw= in, who worked as a KNX announcer, overnight "Music 'Til Dawn" disc jockey = and program host between 1951 and 1991. He is now retired and living in Por= t Orange, Fla. In the 1950s, radio dramas were still being produced in front of live audie= nces, Baldwin said............................................. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Aug 15 18:15:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23711 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2005 01:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2005 01:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2005 01:15:27 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.218.119]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 5425717 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:15:26 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c5a200$aed19e40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:20:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.218.119 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tampa Bay's WGUL - the beginning of the end (11 Sept 2002) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ai-EMlwO_zcxLTfA2VRCizfP-K1XyZ3NpsmAELsWVxIKWv7GFy77 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude This might give you the silver lining you're looking for- Salem is opposed to IBOC. As far as running a lot of infomercials on weekends, unfortunately that is true in many markets. Guess I'm fortunate here in MSP- here we have all sorts of live, local weekend programs on all three of our stations. Whether they make much of their stations depends upon the station manager(s). Two of them have booths at our State Fair. Our conservative talk station brings the national hosts in, and the local Northern Alliance Radio Network (a group of local bloggers) takes over on the weekends and the crowds are tremendous. So it can be done. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > Did a little research and apparently WGUL at first was a strong supporter of IBOC, but ...... well, I'll let the CEO of the late WGUL inc use his own words: {from Radio World Online]: > > > "It should be troubling to all broadcasters of good faith that Ibiquity is guided by America's largest broadcasters, some of whom think it perfectly appropriate to own revenue shares of 95 percent in markets like Sarasota-Bradenton, Fla., and whose bulk of ownership come from FM stations and 50 kW AMs. Ibiquity is an FM-concentrated company at its core with no real incentive to pull AM stations into parity with FMs." > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DJL4LOONS@aol.com > > Salem now will have 5 am stations in the St Petersburg/Tampa & adjacent > > Bradenton/Sarasota markets (570, 860, 910 and 930); so there must be money to be > > made for the religious/politcal talk formats. > > > > > That's all that Salem knows to do with AM stations. They're very > narrow-minded and want to create cash-cow, studio-less satellite-programmed stations... > may as well tune into satellite radio. But I don't understand who can sit > there and listen to that political stuff day-in and day-out, especially to the > snake-oil stuff all weekend (at least that is what the religious outlets seem > put on). Guess there are a lot of "special" people in their listening audience. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Aug 16 03:18:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94286 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2005 10:18:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2005 10:18:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2005 10:18:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 03:18:38 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.208 by BAY106-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:18:37 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: Dennis' AM Stereo List Mailing List Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:18:37 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2005 10:18:38.0034 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDFA4320:01C5A24B] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: Dennis' AM Stereo List: KNX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Unfortunately, bad radio programming and corporate greed is not limited to = Los Angeles; it's the same here in this top 20 nationwide radio market (St = Petersburg/Tampa) and Dave has told us it's the same in Atlanta. It's also the same in Orlando, West Palm Beach and the Miami/Ft Lauderdale = markets. For the most part, a.m. radio is inane talk (i.e. the parking space questio= n), which I suspect is a way to get out minds off the real problems and ch= allenges facing this country, foreign language formats (which is nice for t= hose who do speak languages other than English) and the right-winged politi= cal/religious babble. Just this year the Miami market lost a great classical music station due to= a corporate buyout and now here in the St Petersburg/Tampa market, we have= lost a "Music of Your Life " type format to the same corporate chain The = former WGUL 860 and WLSS 930 are still both playing endless tape loops of R= onald Reagan speeches and both Bushes. Not one time check, not one newscast, not even any station i.d.'s that I ca= n tell; what a waste of the public airwaves. Although I concede that "public airwaves" (vs corporate airwaves) is an old= fashioned quaint, 20h century concept. Time marches on and we can't stop p= rogress, can we?!? Donn, getting my morning dose of news from the BBC on xm. -----Original Message----- From: DJL4LOONS@aol.com Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 01:07:56 -0700 To: Dennis' AM Stereo List Mailing List Subject: Dennis' AM Stereo List: KNX In a message dated 8/15/2005 4:01:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 florida_amstereo@hotmail.com writes: > "It was a little awesome just walking into Columbia Square," said Mel=20 > Baldwin, who worked as a KNX announcer, overnight "Music 'Til Dawn" disc = jockey=20 > and program host between 1951 and 1991. He is now retired and living in P= ort=20 > Orange, Fla. >=20 > In the 1950s, radio dramas were still being produced in front of live=20 > audiences, Baldwin said............................................. >=20 .. and now they're just another damn news-talk format. I never thought I=20 would see the day when KNX Newsradio would add a call-in line and stoop dow= n to=20 the LCD like all the other 50kWters in L.A. I get my news from NPR and (at night) KCBS 740. Ever since this new idiot = GM=20 took the reigns at KNX in 2003, it has been all downhill- no more Drama Hou= r,=20 no more stereo, no more all-news or trtaffic every 10 minutes. It's all tal= k=20 during the day about STUPID stuff like "did you ever have someone steal you= r=20 parking space without their blinker on? Call 1-888-KNX 1070 and we'll talk= =20 about it..."=20=20 Leave it to big consolidators to ruin everything, while pursuing a quick=20 here-and-now buck. That's why I quit listening to L.A. radio altogether. P= eriod.=20 It's against my religion. -Darwin From kya1260@lycos.com Wed Aug 17 14:31:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64495 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2005 21:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2005 21:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2005 21:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 43A371800236 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:31:16 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 17 Aug 2005 21:31:16 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0D80386B11; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:31:16 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:31:16 -0800 Received: from [69.233.38.254] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:31:16 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050817213116.0D80386B11@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: WGUL update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=XNVGBypZ9FiAjdRG1TZziRmT_NOcBkHfkjrooJNSTj0ID2dvZw X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Via all access news: SALEM changes its mind and decides to keep the heritage calls=20 WGUL-AM for its newly-acquired AM in TAMPA. The station is flipping=20 to Talk on AUGUST 22 and originally announced that it would take=20 new calls WNTR-AM. --jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tampa Bay's WGUL - the beginning of the end (11 Sept 20= 02) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:20:23 -0500 >=20 > This might give you the silver lining you're looking for- Salem is oppose= d > to IBOC. As far as running a lot of infomercials on weekends, unfortunat= ely > that is true in many markets. Guess I'm fortunate here in MSP- here we h= ave > all sorts of live, local weekend programs on all three of our stations. > Whether they make much of their stations depends upon the station > manager(s). Two of them have booths at our State Fair. Our conservative > talk station brings the national hosts in, and the local Northern Allianc= e > Radio Network (a group of local bloggers) takes over on the weekends and = the > crowds are tremendous. So it can be done. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donn Tillman" >=20 >=20 > > Did a little research and apparently WGUL at first was a strong support= er > of IBOC, but ...... well, I'll let the CEO of the late WGUL inc use his o= wn > words: {from Radio World Online]: > > >=20 > > > > "It should be troubling to all broadcasters of good faith that Ibiquity= is > guided by America's largest broadcasters, some of whom think it perfectly > appropriate to own revenue shares of 95 percent in markets like > Sarasota-Bradenton, Fla., and whose bulk of ownership come from FM statio= ns > and 50 kW AMs. Ibiquity is an FM-concentrated company at its core with no > real incentive to pull AM stations into parity with FMs." > > >=20 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DJL4LOONS@aol.com >=20 > > > Salem now will have 5 am stations in the St Petersburg/Tampa & adjace= nt > > > Bradenton/Sarasota markets (570, 860, 910 and 930); so there must be > money to be > > > made for the religious/politcal talk formats. > > > > > > > > > That's all that Salem knows to do with AM stations. They're very > > narrow-minded and want to create cash-cow, studio-less > satellite-programmed stations... > > may as well tune into satellite radio. But I don't understand who can > sit > > there and listen to that political stuff day-in and day-out, especially= to > the > > snake-oil stuff all weekend (at least that is what the religious outlet= s > seem > > put on). Guess there are a lot of "special" people in their listening > audience. What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Aug 17 15:14:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76677 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2005 22:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2005 22:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (66.193.185.18) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2005 22:14:51 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (mdm181-10.arc106.smfrct1.dasdial.com [66.6.181.10]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.407.0) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:15:24 -0400 X-Modus-ReverseDNS: OK X-Modus-BlackList: 66.6.181.10=OK;ccuff@in4web.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 66.6.181.10=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 66.6.181.10=NO Message-ID: <000c01c5a379$33cd73c0$0ab50642@4bmx301> To: Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:15:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 66.193.185.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: quad LP's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=ODKf8-cIEwMUChFr3JMqOXgywOJyLF7lmgL3pSCWSS9TlM5neW_V980E X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any vinyl people out there into quad- there is a lot of 17 LP's, all quads, on ebay now- # 4757372669 some good stuff in this one- Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Aug 18 00:22:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2235 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2005 07:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2005 07:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2005 07:22:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:22:07 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:22:07 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:22:07 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2005 07:22:07.0450 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A52E3A0:01C5A3C5] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WGUL update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Thanks for the info Jay.=20 I'm sure the loyal WGUL listeners will still stay away in droves; politica= l/religious babble is still not in the same league as Frank Sinatra, Ella F= itzgerald, Peggy Lee, Elvis Presley, the Carpenters, the Supremes, Perry Co= mo, little Peggy March etc. (the old WGUL played a wide variety of music fr= om the 1940's through the 1970's.) I and many others wish they would have kept the heritage format and change= d the call letters, if Salem felt that they had to make a change. But there is a silver lining for satellite radio; I know of at least two fa= milies that used to listen to wonderful music on WGUL, one has already subs= cribed to XM and the other is deciding whether to go with XM or Sirius; for= some strange reason, they have given up on terrestrial radio! :) They (both WGUL-860 and WLSS-930) are already talk, just nothing live, they= continue to play the same endless loop of Reagan and Bush tapes. ( guess t= hey don't have access to any tapes of Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, Gerald F= ord or Bill Clinton) So even for those that can't stand music, but would want an occasionally ti= me check or news, they will have to wait until the 22nd of August for the s= ome live talk and infomercials; in the interim 860 and 930 are just a waste= of the public's airwaves, but the corporations and their bought and paid f= or FCC certainly don't care. Donn, listening to xm -----Original Message----- From: Jay Arnold Sent: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:31:16 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} WGUL update Via all access news: SALEM changes its mind and decides to keep the heritage calls=20 WGUL-AM for its newly-acquired AM in TAMPA. The station is flipping=20 to Talk on AUGUST 22 and originally announced that it would take=20 new calls WNTR-AM. --jay From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Thu Aug 18 02:07:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81087 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2005 09:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2005 09:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au) (150.229.7.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2005 09:07:53 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au (138.194.3.56) by act-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au with ESMTP; 18 Aug 2005 19:07:33 +1000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,120,1122818400"; d="scan'208"; a="58615670:sNHT30077878" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:07:33 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:07:32 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} WGUL update Thread-Index: AcWjxY12FJ5e9xTEQxONLFcSz0ghbQACOylQ To: Cc: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2005 09:07:33.0260 (UTC) FILETIME=[44CCE4C0:01C5A3D4] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} WGUL update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=LvFKuhFb0gIYELhDYAKSzpLUQzq3dclhu0grK5jkdt9n -----Original Message----- From: Donn Tillman > I'm sure the loyal WGUL listeners will still stay away in droves;=20 > political/religious babble is still not in the same league as Frank > Sinatra, Ella Fitzgerald, Peggy Lee, Elvis Presley, the Carpenters,=20 > the Supremes, Perry Como, little Peggy March etc. (the old > WGUL played a wide variety of music from the 1940's through=20 > the 1970's.) Donn - you've sent me a couple of tapes of WGUL over the years and it sound= ed great. What a tragedy it's being replaced by cheap syndicated babble from afar. I= can't understand how you can have so many religious stations in one market= in a supposedly secular country. Here in Oz we'd say what we so often do ... Only in America. We haven't had religious owned stations for many years - and even when we d= id they were just normal commercial stations like any other ... with perhap= s a few "message" programs on Sunday nights. This remains even now with so= me commercial and ABC stations having Christian themes on Sunday nights. Our ABA stopped looking at suitable commercial owners many years ago (pity!= ) and like the FCC just issues licences to the highest bidder. But it still looks at suitability when issuing community radio licences. A= nd you'd find in any market only one religious licence would be issued. Ou= rs is "Light-FM" and it's a pretty good sounding station. It certainly isn= 't thumping some contrived agenda. Other full power community stations here are licensed to groups interested = in ... trade unions, Aboriginal affairs, educational colleges, ethnic grou= ps, gays and lesbians, universities, and music production.=20=20 Then there are so many low powered community stations looking after various= areas of our metropolitan area. It seems a much better system than yours. I get the feeling that in the US things have just got out of hand. AMS has= just about died. And IBOC is just flogging a dead horse. It would seem that AM and FM radio as you knew and loved it has gone down t= he toilet in a ridiculous unregulated grab for power by a terribly greedy f= ew. What ever happened to the concept of radio being a "service"? Good luck to you - and enjoy XM while it seems to be delivering a decent se= rvice. But to those of you in markets that still do have wonderful local radio - d= o all you can to keep it! Once it's gone you're not likely to get it back.= And that's the way the corporates would like it. Ian Melbourne =20=20 From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Thu Aug 18 05:06:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35000 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2005 12:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2005 12:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2005 12:06:44 -0000 Received: from [4.247.122.86] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E5jAR-0007MM-Jl for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:06:44 -0400 Message-ID: <410-22005841812645656@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.21.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:06:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcef715b5253375766d4faa1a7beacbc70350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} quad LP's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 About a year ago, I put some pristine quad LPs on eBay for only $1 for the lot - no takers. I wound up sending them to a charity. It really made me unhappy. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Chris Cuff > To: > Date: 8/17/2005 6:15:24 PM > Subject: {AMSF} quad LP's > > Any vinyl people out there into quad- there is a lot of 17 LP's, all quads, on ebay now- # 4757372669 some good stuff in this one- > Chris From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Aug 18 14:59:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5968 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2005 21:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2005 21:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (66.193.185.18) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2005 21:59:15 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (mdm180-224.arc190.smfrct1.dasdial.com [66.6.180.224]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.407.0) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:59:26 -0400 X-Modus-ReverseDNS: OK X-Modus-BlackList: 66.6.180.224=OK;ccuff@in4web.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 66.6.180.224=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 66.6.180.224=NO Message-ID: <001401c5a440$21db2780$e0b40642@4bmx301> To: Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:59:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 66.193.185.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: cars with ams X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=nk0qEnjE7bKPxnexs7YlhwLp3yU4GyQ5eA5HYoiHeCmVecH-FkV43hlV X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got an email from Irv Goldstein from WLAD/WREF and he was asking if any new cars besides Ford still offer am stereo? Is the Chrysler RAZ still being used? Does any GM car have ams any more? If anyone has any info, let me know- I told him I would get back to him. thanks, Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Aug 18 23:20:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73569 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 06:20:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2005 06:20:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 06:20:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2005 06:20:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2005 06:20:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 06:20:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001401c5a440$21db2780$e0b40642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 875 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.246.23 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: cars with ams X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=BztYQiUGFwr8OMNxaElgCdUAW_iYRELAZj8KzU7rdev1DBrz X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I got an email from Irv Goldstein from WLAD/WREF and he was asking if any new cars besides Ford still offer am stereo? Is the Chrysler RAZ still being used? Does any GM car have ams any more? If anyone has any info, let me know- I told him I would get back to him. > thanks, The last I heard about new RAZes with AMS was in '04, but I still think a percentage of RAZ radios with AMS are still being installed. They're the ones with RDS on FM. They're also still in Jeeps. I don't know about GM, though. I don't think any domesticly made Japanese or European car has AMS. Considering there's still a significant number of older cars still on the road, a good percentage of them will have AMS. A station can still count on a good 10% of its listenership to still have C-QUAM. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Aug 19 02:18:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88110 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 09:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2005 09:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 09:18:31 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.99]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 3692374 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 04:17:37 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c5a49f$8e51ad80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 04:22:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 2, in=6, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.99 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Dennis' AM Stereo List: KNX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=VOh5nu1Jn-7i0W2AfScYYGnx4NbBiZWQYNfCL_b8fsN8RAFpIAmZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It's called stunting- it only goes on for a short while, so don't get your undies in a bunch. Plus now there's left wing hate radio, so there's something for everyone. There should be at least some station IDs, though- that's a fault of the automation programmers at the very least. Will have the corporate brass look into this, though I suspect by Mon. things should be in place anyway. Scott > > Just this year the Miami market lost a great classical music station due to a corporate buyout and now here in the St Petersburg/Tampa market, we have lost a "Music of Your Life " type format to the same corporate chain The former WGUL 860 and WLSS 930 are still both playing endless tape loops of Ronald Reagan speeches and both Bushes. > > Not one time check, not one newscast, not even any station i.d.'s that I can tell; what a waste of the public airwaves. > > Although I concede that "public airwaves" (vs corporate airwaves) is an old fashioned quaint, 20h century concept. Time marches on and we can't stop progress, can we?!? > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Aug 19 02:37:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83860 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 09:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2005 09:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 09:37:44 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.99]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 6372793 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 04:37:41 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c5a4a2$5c21bfa0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 04:42:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 9, in=31, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.99 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WGUL update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=G4ZNZT_SlAL1tlmzswPtwEbKpvoK-C6J89BkLhcHyz8lIaEULh2D X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude None by "Tricky Dick"? I'm shocked! Could it have something to do with how he conducted his presidency? Ol' Gerry was fair, but had a reputation as a bumbler. Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, well they'll have to wait til someone puts an Air America station in your market. Then I can complain about how they're not running Nixon or Ford. Scott Todd > > They (both WGUL-860 and WLSS-930) are already talk, just nothing live, they continue to play the same endless loop of Reagan and Bush tapes. ( guess they don't have access to any tapes of Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford or Bill Clinton) > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Aug 19 03:16:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66541 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 10:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2005 10:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.79) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 10:16:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 03:16:09 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by BAY106-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:16:09 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:16:09 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2005 10:16:09.0759 (UTC) FILETIME=[04D68AF0:01C5A4A7] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Dennis' AM Stereo List: KNX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Scott Todd posted: It's called stunting- it only goes on for a short while, so don't get your undies in a bunch. Plus now there's left wing hate radio, so there's something for everyone. There should be at least some station IDs, though- that's a fault of the automation programmers at the very least. Will have the corporate brass look into this, though I suspect by Mon. things=20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I DON'T CARE WHAT IT'S CALLED, THE POINT IS..... that 10 days of this drive= l is a waste of the public's airwaves; I know=20 Salem isn't the only corporation that pulls this stunt, but that still does= n't change the fact that it's a waste of the public's airwaves. As of yesterday, there was about a 10 second i.d. announcing the call lette= rs at the bottom of the hour, so maybe some would say that constitutes a go= od use of the public's airwaves, since at least they are now i.d.ing this 1= 0 day stunt. My other point that seems to be missed or went over some people's heads was= that we are losing good music formats on the am band, whether it's to mode= rate talk or hate talk radio and btw, the left winged hate talk is corporat= e radio's answer to the right winged hate talk that's has dominated America= 's a.m. airwaves for at least the last 5 years. Call me crazy (but don't say or imply my undies are in a bunch, they're not= and I don't appreciate that comment/insult or feeble attempt at strained h= umor), but I do prefer music and for those that do prefer music, we are get= ting very frustrated by the lack of music on the public's airwaves, talk ra= dio is even now invading the f.m. band. I would rather discuss ideas and issues rather than personally insult other= members on these lists. (not that I haven't muttered insults under my brea= th, I just don't think these forums were designed for us to insult each oth= er) - - we have private email for that! I suppose that Marie Antoinette's alleged comment of "let them eat cake" (r= eferring to the common people) could be updated to "let them listen to sate= llite radio!" AND I am, more and more! ( as our approximately 6.5 million= other Americans) Donn=20 latitude 27.761 north From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Aug 19 03:45:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76090 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 10:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2005 10:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.74) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 10:45:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 03:45:48 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by BAY106-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:45:48 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:45:48 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2005 10:45:48.0942 (UTC) FILETIME=[295052E0:01C5A4AB] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WGUL update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 To the best of my knowledge, Air America hasn't pulled the stunt of "stunti= ng" and playing endless loops of tapes of any presidents, including the clo= sest thing to a Christian president, Jimmy Carter, this country has had in = the 20th or 21st century. )I am aware that others presidents have alleged t= o be "christian", but then I believe that actions speaks volumes more than = words. Again, I believe that my point was mainly that endless tape loops of any pr= esident or anyone for that matter is a waste of public airwaves, I would be= complaining if Air America or ClearChannel pulled the same stunt. I complained when Cox radio here did a similar stunt of an automated voice = count down for several days (5 days of waste, if I recall).=20 Again stunting is a stunt, that I dislike and I'll say it again, just to ma= ke sure, I'm understood..... the stunt of stunting for 5 days or 10 days is= a waste of the public's airwaves. And as far as Richard Nixon goes, I have heard many people say that they ne= ver thought we could have president worse than Nixon and they have conceded= that they were wrong, some think Clinton was worse, others think George Bu= sh, the current president is worse. (I have friends on both sides of the po= litical divide in this country) btw- one of the few living Nixon administration people, (not serving in th= e current White House or doing talk radio), Republican , John Dean, has an = interesting book out, titled "Worse Than Watergate", for those that read bo= oks. I personally think that Richard Nixon was good in foreign policy, I have to= concede he wasn't very charismatic (probably due to his Quaker upbringing)= ; he certainly didn't know how to throw the charm or b.s. to his political = advantage. Like John McCain, the senior George Bush and Jimmy Carter, he did serve his= country with honor when needed. Donn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Scott Todd Sent: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 02:42:45 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WGUL update None by "Tricky Dick"? I'm shocked! Could it have something to do with ho= w he conducted his presidency? Ol' Gerry was fair, but had a reputation as a bumbler. Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, well they'll have to wait til someone puts an Air America station in your market. Then I can complain about how they're not running Nixon or Ford. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Aug 19 04:27:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55318 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 11:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2005 11:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.202.56) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 11:27:48 -0000 Received: from n1zzn (c-24-218-84-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20050819112725012005jlpme>; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:27:25 +0000 To: Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:27:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWkhhOFBLIfwjP+TnmgexGUah7L1AAKsMcQ In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 204.127.202.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: cars with ams X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394; y=Hf27bu4vhZzE3sEWEPgNW41W2Rg02nX7IyFtmUQksps X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Most of the Chrysler radios with RDS unfortunately do not have AM Stereo. I haven't seen one with AM Stereo in a long time, so if they are still making them, they're just in the most premium models. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA >-----Original Message----- >From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] >On Behalf Of Amy Mousie >Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:20 AM >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: cars with ams > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: >> I got an email from Irv Goldstein from WLAD/WREF and he was asking if >any new cars besides Ford still offer am stereo? Is the Chrysler RAZ >still being used? Does any GM car have ams any more? If anyone has any >info, let me know- I told him I would get back to him. >> thanks, > >The last I heard about new RAZes with AMS was in '04, but I still think >a percentage of RAZ radios with AMS are still being installed. They're >the ones with RDS on FM. They're also still in Jeeps. I don't know >about GM, though. > >I don't think any domesticly made Japanese or European car has AMS. > >Considering there's still a significant number of older cars still on >the road, a good percentage of them will have AMS. A station can still >count on a good 10% of its listenership to still have C-QUAM. > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Aug 19 05:59:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78777 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 12:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2005 12:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 12:59:25 -0000 Received: from [4.247.127.159] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E66Sy-0007NF-KG for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:59:25 -0400 Message-ID: <410-220058519125930968@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.21.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:59:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc34775b75694c4a9ffed8382b54528625350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Dennis' AM Stereo List: KNX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 I think there's a point being missed here. Most of the public is neither committed right wing nor left wing. As a politically moderate radio listener, I have no more desire to listen to a left wing demagogue than a right wing demagogue. Both are preaching to a narrow but intensely loyal audience, neither of which am I a member, and they are apparently not interested in expanding their listener base. I realize that the marketplace iteself has been the greatest factor in the demise of music on AM radio, but the overwhelming dominance of wealthy corporations has hastened this demise, because some of these corporations seem to have an agenda that is not ratings-based but ideology-based. It is my guess that, for whatever reasons these changes have occurred, the longterm prospectus for the survival of commercial AM radio is not very good. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Scott Todd > To: > Date: 8/19/2005 5:18:33 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Dennis' AM Stereo List: KNX > > It's called stunting- it only goes on for a short while, so don't get your > undies in a bunch. Plus now there's left wing hate radio, so there's > something for everyone. There should be at least some station IDs, though- > that's a fault of the automation programmers at the very least. Will have > the corporate brass look into this, though I suspect by Mon. things should > be in place anyway. > > Scott > > > > > Just this year the Miami market lost a great classical music station due > to a corporate buyout and now here in the St Petersburg/Tampa market, we > have lost a "Music of Your Life " type format to the same corporate chain > The former WGUL 860 and WLSS 930 are still both playing endless tape loops > of Ronald Reagan speeches and both Bushes. > > > > Not one time check, not one newscast, not even any station i.d.'s that I > can tell; what a waste of the public airwaves. > > > > Although I concede that "public airwaves" (vs corporate airwaves) is an > old fashioned quaint, 20h century concept. Time marches on and we can't stop > progress, can we?!? > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 07:45:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48966 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 14:45:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2005 14:45:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 14:45:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 18441 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Aug 2005 14:45:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20050819144535.18439.qmail@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:45:35 PDT Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:45:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: AMS in Vehicles? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=SmJGHUyEUnIrklhjRMz6TkWcGexknVsfT-f7UsI40CYGnzRq18IsK5w X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Ford - Visteon, Mustang Mach AMS Chrysler / Jeep - the radios withOUT RDS and withOUT CD changer controls AND that have a 3-channel EQ are the only AMS units - I haven't looked at the '06 to see if they have it or not yet. GM - Can anybody verify if the Cadillac's still have it? The Caddy's did in '05 yet. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 13:52:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70713 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 20:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2005 20:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 20:52:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2005 20:51:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2005 20:51:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2005 20:51:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:51:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <410-220058519125930968@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2960 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.246.23 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Dennis' AM Stereo List: KNX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=tuabkctLbcIYyo0ReKzw-GgfnyKBUgZxazJTNFPW8Oj7pfU9 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > I think there's a point being missed here. Most of the public is neither > committed right wing nor left wing. As a politically moderate radio > listener, I have no more desire to listen to a left wing demagogue than a > right wing demagogue. Both are preaching to a narrow but intensely loyal > audience, neither of which am I a member, and they are apparently not > interested in expanding their listener base. Most of us, like myself, who are liberal/progressive don't care for demagoguery from either side, but we do feel we have the right to voice our grievances. This is something certain other groups would deny us, and try to call us unpatriotic, or even equate us with terrorism. And you know what? A sad number in America actually BELIEVE that, because they're told so on the radio! (Shades of Elvis Costello's "Radio, Radio"...) The philosophy of traditional liberalism is that there's room for everybody in society, that no group should be excluded for one reason or another. It's our constitutional right to assent or dissent as we choose to, and won at the cost of many lives in a long Revolutionary War. Where this stops is when one group says another does not have the right to dissent, for whatever reason. > I realize that the marketplace iteself has been the greatest factor in the > demise of music on AM radio, but the overwhelming dominance of wealthy > corporations has hastened this demise, because some of these corporations > seem to have an agenda that is not ratings-based but ideology-based. Money has largely destroyed any balance in the media, and yes, it's ideological- A very old ideology that says only certain people have the right to say how their community/nation is managed. It's a class division driven entirely by money. Some of it even in the name of their religion, but it becomes such a perversion of that religion's founding principles. > It is my guess that, for whatever reasons these changes have occurred, the > longterm prospectus for the survival of commercial AM radio is not very > good. This was said umpteen gazillion years ago (well, actually, over 50) when radio was challenged by TV, and the traditional radio broadcasting system became extinct by the early 1960s-- Radio reinvented itself, then. It can do so once again, but it takes destroying the current paradigm to do so. This means LETTING Corporate Broadcasting take a few hundred axes to themselves, and letting the REST of us to rebuild radio afterwards. It will happen, but it takes vigilance. The ones who will still be around are the ones who didn't slaughter the cash cow for quick profits in the first place. The ones who really do care about serving the community. And that's not just something that's "liberal" or "conservative", or whatever moniker you choose to call it- It's about actually caring. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Aug 19 17:28:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29153 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2005 00:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2005 00:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 00:28:22 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.15]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 6136468 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:28:20 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c5a51e$c997d520$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:33:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.500000 Content: cid=194(2.5) =2.5 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.15 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WGUL update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=J05_ltkBwF5Z1sNGKgjBWgZggyDCog5c7tVJWelu-lxL4vm9pAI5 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude We had an FM station here several years ago that was stunting for three weeks +, then went on to disappoint a lot of people with another country format. Several of those days were that automated voice too, though not all by far. IIRC before1280 went to its current format they simulcasted one of our other stations til extra equipment needed was in place to do the new format, then they stunted for only four days or so with patriotic music. It's a great way to draw attention to a new format/station. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > > I complained when Cox radio here did a similar stunt of an automated voice count down for several days (5 days of waste, if I recall). > > Again stunting is a stunt, that I dislike and I'll say it again, just to make sure, I'm understood..... the stunt of stunting for 5 days or 10 days is a waste of the public's airwaves. > From w6yn@juno.com Fri Aug 19 18:14:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94705 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2005 01:14:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2005 01:14:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 01:14:57 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBSPA8XAXU94EA for (sender ); Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:13:57 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLBxZXmDv3Yo6C4VuVWzVUaI= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K2TD8A8B; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:13:24 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:13:07 -0700 Message-ID: <20050819.181307.3072.0.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ContentStamp: 15:7:1469960690 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: NAB says Ibiquity Didn’t Control the Process X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=Nhb3eqofgqeDiO9Bzk8m-mr-i65EbuDw8-x0IFIJyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn NAB Slams IBOC Naysayers, Says Ibiquity Didn’t Control the Process This story is copyright Radio World newspaper. NAB says those who think the IBOC standard developed by the National Radio Systems Committee is incomplete are wrong. The association has urged the FCC to incorporate NRSC-5 in its final authorization for terrestrial digital radio transmissions in the United States. Statements that advocate reconsidering IBOC as the approach for digital radio or using another band should be dismissed because the FCC has already decided the issue, the trade group says in reply comments filed about the IBOC standard, NRSC-5. NAB agrees with the Consumer Electronics Association that while the standard’s lack of a specified codec isn’t ideal, “it’s workable.” In earlier comments, Microsoft, Impulse Radio, Broadcast Signal Lab and others said the lack of a codec is cause for the FCC to send the standard back to the NRSC for completion. But NAB said that isn’t necessary; Ibiquity’s codec or other codec can be used with the standard, “without a codec identifier … since audio codecs are self-identified by digital radios, i.e., radios built to react to a specific compression scheme will work when data using that compression scheme is delivered to the radio, and the radio will simply ignore compression schemes delivered to it for which it was not built.” Stations are not required to use Ibiquity’s codec when they go digital, “contrary to the assertion of Microsoft et al.,” NAB argues. NAB also “vociferously” disagreed with charges by Impulse that the NRSC process was controlled by Ibiquity, thus giving the technology company an unfair competitive advantage. NAB called the process open and fair. “The committee’s decision to complete work on the main transmission standard, ahead of the data standard, and submit it to the FCC was appropriate.” Interference concerns can be addressed by reducing digital power levels or other means and can be handled on a case-by-case basis, said NAB. Some stations described their experiences with IBOC interference in their comments; NAB suggested the agency track these. The FCC should “begin to characterize the interference environment nationwide as stations go on the air with IBOC with a view toward setting up interference mitigation techniques in the final rules,” stated the association. As far as AM interference concerns, the trade association believes it’s important for AM IBOC to move forward with FM IBOC, so AM doesn’t get left behind. From w6yn@juno.com Fri Aug 19 19:15:56 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Fri Aug 19 21:10:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26191 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2005 04:10:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2005 04:10:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 04:10:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 04:10:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 04:10:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 04:10:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3255 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.165.235.58 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WGUL update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=aXKOai7pTRCs-WVg5wP9ZKs-2dx2YV-rgZ2l46Nrn1Yn2H2bgXHD6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 Couple this business of "stunting" with the recent report about a dog drowning hoax perpetrated by another radio station and it is becoming increasing clear that the people who control and program these stations have their heads firmly planted up their a**es. What's next? A loop of white noise broken only by commercials and a station I.D. at the top of every hour? Or maybe, a station devoted exclusively to the works of Philip Glass? If this keeps up, the trickle of listeners to satellite radio will be a raging flood and no gimmick like HD radio is going to stop it. The only good that can come out of this is the slow self-destruction of corporate radio. And, who knows, out of the smoldering embers maybe programming worth listening to will appear. db --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" wrote: > To the best of my knowledge, Air America hasn't pulled the stunt of "stunting" and playing endless loops of tapes of any presidents, including the closest thing to a Christian president, Jimmy Carter, this country has had in the 20th or 21st century. )I am aware that others presidents have alleged to be "christian", but then I believe that actions speaks volumes more than words. > > Again, I believe that my point was mainly that endless tape loops of any president or anyone for that matter is a waste of public airwaves, I would be complaining if Air America or ClearChannel pulled the same stunt. > > I complained when Cox radio here did a similar stunt of an automated voice count down for several days (5 days of waste, if I recall). > > Again stunting is a stunt, that I dislike and I'll say it again, just to make sure, I'm understood..... the stunt of stunting for 5 days or 10 days is a waste of the public's airwaves. > > And as far as Richard Nixon goes, I have heard many people say that they never thought we could have president worse than Nixon and they have conceded that they were wrong, some think Clinton was worse, others think George Bush, the current president is worse. (I have friends on both sides of the political divide in this country) > > btw- one of the few living Nixon administration people, (not serving in the current White House or doing talk radio), Republican , John Dean, has an interesting book out, titled "Worse Than Watergate", for those that read books. > > I personally think that Richard Nixon was good in foreign policy, I have to concede he wasn't very charismatic (probably due to his Quaker upbringing); he certainly didn't know how to throw the charm or b.s. to his political advantage. > > Like John McCain, the senior George Bush and Jimmy Carter, he did serve his country with honor when needed. > > Donn > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From: Scott Todd > Sent: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 02:42:45 -0700 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WGUL update > > None by "Tricky Dick"? I'm shocked! Could it have something to do with how > he conducted his presidency? Ol' Gerry was fair, but had a reputation as a > bumbler. Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, well they'll have to wait til > someone puts an Air America station in your market. Then I can complain > about how they're not running Nixon or Ford. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 01:43:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57617 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2005 08:43:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2005 08:43:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 08:43:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 08:43:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 08:43:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 08:43:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 777 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.89.2 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Another broadcaster who supports AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=C-XNe2F0Z2bz5B_mFpVhyNHox_RcWLrDCUgzXm2znSKD8yAzlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As seen on the radio-tech list: Subj: NAB Slams IBOC Naysayers, Says Ibiquity Didn't Control the Process From: Wayne R Miller Date: Fri Aug 19 18:23:18 CDT 2005 What a load of CRAP!! Don't piss on my shoes and tell me its raining! NAB should change the name to NABB (National Associates of BIG Broadcasters).... Or...NAIbB....or even NACCB......they certainly don't have the interests of "all of us" in the bands in mind.... We may have all fought over AM stereo....but at least all the systems worked and none turned the band in to a quagmire of hiss and burps... I'm putting all new caps in my C-QUAMs....they're gonna be on the air for a long time in Peoria! Wayne R Miller,CE JMP Radio Group - Peoria IL WMBD WIRL WSWT WPBG From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 02:46:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10080 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2005 09:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2005 09:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 09:46:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 09:46:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 09:46:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 09:46:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:46:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 116 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.246.23 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Another broadcaster who supports AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=wUYJ0wneDRolRwL97CLSMwM1O3Aufa4cM0mYgn39Z1MmVfsu X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Just like WLS upstate, it's very heartening to see AMS support in the Great State of Illinois. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 03:41:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60943 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2005 10:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2005 10:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52404.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.167) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 10:41:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 1257 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2005 10:41:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20050820104117.1255.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.86] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 03:41:17 PDT Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 03:41:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Stunting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=sGitNn2LL3mL0ifrqjCmstN5cOUP9u48rCTK5Ig9gWs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Some years back WFBC-FM prior to making a minor format change stunted by reading the phone book "from A to Z". Well the person reading the names (not the numbers) mispronounced names and giggled at some. WELLLLLL some folks actually CALLED the station and told them what the correct pronounciation was and wanted their name pronounced correctly. Well no one had tried this format for stunting... Yes! Just for YOU ! ALL test tones ALL THE TIME!! Call XXX-XXXX and request your favorite tone! Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 03:43:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85211 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2005 10:43:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2005 10:43:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52413.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.176) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 10:43:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 35538 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2005 10:43:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20050820104355.35536.qmail@web52413.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.86] by web52413.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 03:43:55 PDT Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 03:43:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another broadcaster who supports AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=iLn27UGBlugnumR_PuPyQc5QHzmz6CjNBuvKVeUUyJs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > As seen on the radio-tech list: > > > Subj: NAB Slams IBOC Naysayers, Says Ibiquity Didn't > Control the > Process > From: Wayne R Miller > Date: Fri Aug 19 18:23:18 CDT 2005 > > Or...NAIbB....or even NACCB......they certainly > don't have the > interests of "all of us" in the bands in mind.... That's NABCB. National Association of BIG Coroporate Broadcasters. Small groups and individual stations NEED NOT apply. > We may have all fought over AM stereo....but at > least all the systems > worked and none turned the band in to a quagmire of > hiss and burps... > > I'm putting all new caps in my C-QUAMs....they're > gonna be on the air > for a long time in Peoria! > > Wayne R Miller,CE > JMP Radio Group - Peoria IL > WMBD WIRL WSWT WPBG Sooooo...you are saying IBOC won't play in Peoria ? Powell ( hiding behind 60 wolves today ) w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Aug 20 04:42:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80626 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2005 11:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2005 11:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (66.193.185.18) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 11:42:43 -0000 Received: from in4web.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.407.0) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:42:38 -0400 X-Modus-ReverseDNS: OK X-Modus-BlackList: 127.0.0.1=OK;ccuff@in4web.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 127.0.0.1=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 127.0.0.1=NO Message-ID: <12da930a2aa24f7886541fde7e0a5559.ccuff@in4web.com> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 1, 0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:42:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.193.185.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "ccuff@in4web.com" Subject: RE : {AMSF} Re: Another broadcaster who supports AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=sUe-HsGeC2W9y5QqIkhu94TBI-LqHzOHKcqz4okZ4L3k4-DJgptbZ-IY X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Add to this the folks at Berkshire broadcasting- for WLAD and WREF, and Steve at KCJJ, and Dan Mellon at Country music in AM Stereo at CJBQ in Canada- all firm supporters of AM Stereo! Chris >------- Original Message ------- >From : Amy Mousie[mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] >Sent : 8/20/2005 5:46:13 AM >To : amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Cc : >Subject : RE : {AMSF} Re: Another broadcaster who supports AM Stereo > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rbrucecarter@yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 05:48:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rbrucecarter@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27660 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2005 12:48:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2005 12:48:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 12:48:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 12:47:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 12:47:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:47:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <12da930a2aa24f7886541fde7e0a5559.ccuff@in4web.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 633 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 4.252.251.152 From: "Bruce Carter" Subject: RE : {AMSF} Re: Another broadcaster who supports AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116052011; y=w_rEl0wA3-ekPVdl_5IjPggvDKi3y28N2bk3Ja-_qJBPi3R649iy X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I was very surprised that Radio Disney supported IBOC. Given their target audience of children, their desire to build a music network on AM, and the maturity of C-Quam technology - al they would have had to do is make an import deal with Japan and they could have put cheap AM stereo receivers on the market for their listeners. And a fair number of the kids could have afforded them / got their parents to buy them. Now - they are going to have to convince their parents to buy overpriced IBOC gear that drinks power, ruling out portables. Sounds like another Michael Eisner blunder that Steve Iger needs to correct. From droland66@yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 10:30:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65374 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2005 17:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2005 17:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 17:30:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 17:30:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 17:30:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 17:30:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:30:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 863 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.128.175.116 From: "david roland" Subject: all we really need X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=c_taP8Ju8lLiw1l5nKjYyFXexmDkO8LGxLOKzNCdCv5cSMLY X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 is to go back to 15 kHz wideband analog AM stereo and make much better receivers with dsp processing to improve overall sound quality. in fact, it would be very easy to put software in the radios that can be upgraded at no cost as better noise reduction algorithms are developed. what would even be better is to allow a few classical music stations to broadcast in 20 kHz wideband. i love AM stereo but the limited upper frequency range of current broadcasts definitely has a negative impact on the overall listening experience. with a few adjustments, however, AM could become preferred over FM and it is as simple as extending the upper range and introducing low cost wide bandwidth modern receivers. and the added benefit is that 15 kHz doesn't interfere as much as IBOC and all older receivers still receive the sweet AM wideband sound. coax From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 11:38:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22112 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2005 18:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2005 18:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 18:38:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 18:37:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 18:37:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 18:37:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050820104355.35536.qmail@web52413.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 568 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.246.23 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another broadcaster who supports AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=hpfYq_THlvDzfJb7LnNHbHD3xshE-sV89WMy4PVa4pCeWBdG X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > That's NABCB. National Association of BIG Coroporate > Broadcasters. Small groups and individual stations > NEED NOT apply. But they better tow the line, if they know what's good for them! > > I'm putting all new caps in my C-QUAMs....they're > > gonna be on the air > > for a long time in Peoria! > Sooooo...you are saying IBOC won't play in Peoria ? > > Powell ( hiding behind 60 wolves today ) Funny, was thinking that, too, after I made my post! :D Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 11:38:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15948 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2005 18:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2005 18:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 18:38:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 18:38:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 18:38:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 18:38:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 18:38:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <12da930a2aa24f7886541fde7e0a5559.ccuff@in4web.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 290 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.175.246.23 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: RE : {AMSF} Re: Another broadcaster who supports AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=C5haFgutXyABWyKsd5Cn3uzHrmzs6xSNCWL8GrbhCv0hJiFv X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "ccuff@i..." wrote: > Add to this the folks at Berkshire broadcasting- for WLAD and WREF, and Steve at KCJJ, and Dan Mellon at Country music in AM Stereo at CJBQ in Canada- all firm supporters of AM Stereo! YES!!! :D Am,y. <:3 )~~8~ From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sat Aug 20 11:58:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13447 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2005 18:58:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2005 18:58:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 18:58:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 18:58:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 18:58:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 18:58:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050820104117.1255.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 782 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.165.235.58 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: Stunting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=k4NrFePnA5PTmO0Y6tfborkEiHOA45yzpCv7G-Wp7OyRtUTGkRAynw X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 There you go, a format to test and calibrate electronic equipment. Couldn't be any worse than what we've already been hearing. db --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > Some years back WFBC-FM prior to making a minor format > change stunted by reading the phone book "from A to > Z". Well the person reading the names (not the > numbers) mispronounced names and giggled at some. > WELLLLLL some folks actually CALLED the station and > told them what the correct pronounciation was and > wanted their name pronounced correctly. > > > Well no one had tried this format for stunting... > > Yes! Just for YOU ! ALL test tones ALL THE TIME!! > Call XXX-XXXX and request your favorite tone! > > > Powell > > w4opw@a... > NNNN! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Aug 21 09:29:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44799 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2005 16:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2005 16:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2005 16:29:44 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.89]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 6898950 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:29:38 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c5a66e$40cb3600$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:34:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 2, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.89 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WGUL update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=kZ2vhjkx44KlO2FzxPY2RahL8e9Gi7kF9Ds8P1I2URQQdVX591HV X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually you can sometimes hear some of the most creative music selections when a station stunts. When this particular station I mentioned did it (the old WBOB "Bob 100 FM"), the reason so many folks were let down by the fact they went country was that they were playing a lot of novel music. I remember one particular parody of Love Potion #9 which was titled Love Polka #9, plus some good old Tom Lehrer tunes, etc. They really had us guessing what they were going to do. It was the sort of creativity many on this list claim they crave. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "dbdigital2004" > Couple this business of "stunting" with the recent report about a dog drowning hoax > perpetrated by another radio station and it is becoming increasing clear that the people > who control and program these stations have their heads firmly planted up their a**es. > gimmick like HD radio is going to stop it. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Aug 21 09:30:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74228 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2005 16:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2005 16:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2005 16:30:55 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.89]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 6899161 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:30:54 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c5a66e$6e65b5e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:36:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.89 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another broadcaster who supports AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=OmxQOasebWgmKNwlN0mGAJ2wvdLf4VuzYON-KM-wHEL5reOr92FG X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That post makes MY day!!! :D Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > As seen on the radio-tech list: > > What a load of CRAP!! Don't piss on my shoes and tell me its > raining! > > > I'm putting all new caps in my C-QUAMs....they're gonna be on the air > for a long time in Peoria! From w6yn@juno.com Sun Aug 21 18:31:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33584 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 01:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2005 01:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 01:31:55 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBSULZ5ATHPWFA for (sender ); Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:31:39 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLFWAIJxc5ggwieCmF4Nphzk= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K2YKZ99X; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:31:10 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:30:36 -0700 Message-ID: <20050821.183036.3880.6.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-18 X-ContentStamp: 5:2:1508879874 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Ibiquity IBOC in service X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=qMqUmPQje0dpynC3F3pX7cqEioE86kc9cFeJ0g2saA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn My weekend trip (8/20) to Los Angeles revealed Ibiquity IBOC in service only at: KDIS - 1110kHz KMXE - 830kHz KTNQ - 1020kHz The August 2005 Radio Guide magazine delivers another hard-hitting article on IBOC by Barry McLarnon, P.E., this one entitled, "AM IBOC: Daytime Problems, and Disaster at Night." Facts and figures are given to support Mr. McLarnon's claims. The cover of Radio Guide hits the nail on the head by saying, "While it appears that a political decision will prevail [IBOC is being deployed], the near future may become technically difficult" [because of the interference that IBOC brings with it]. This article is MUST reading for all broadcast engineers involved with the AM IBOC roll out. From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Aug 22 00:25:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8755 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 07:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2005 07:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 07:25:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2005 07:24:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2005 07:24:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2005 07:24:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 07:24:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050821.183036.3880.6.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 905 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.124.12.114 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: Ibiquity IBOC in service X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=3W0BYItTWXniFBIepc1f2tKlmxZEaydzG7jjooXVjRdg0Q0iSTkIHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury Hi Gang Can some one please post that artcal. Thanks Jim Smith wrote: > My weekend trip (8/20) to Los Angeles revealed Ibiquity IBOC in service > only at: > > KDIS - 1110kHz > > KMXE - 830kHz > > KTNQ - 1020kHz > > The August 2005 Radio Guide magazine delivers another > hard-hitting article on IBOC by Barry McLarnon, P.E., this one > entitled, "AM IBOC: Daytime Problems, and Disaster at Night." > Facts and figures are given to support Mr. McLarnon's claims. > > The cover of Radio Guide hits the nail on the head by > saying, "While it appears that a political decision will prevail > [IBOC is being deployed], the near future may become technically > difficult" [because of the interference that IBOC brings with it]. > This article is MUST reading for all broadcast engineers involved > with the AM IBOC roll out. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Aug 22 18:44:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95293 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2005 01:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2005 01:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2005 01:44:34 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.19]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 4615108 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:43:32 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c5a784$ce09d640$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:48:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 1, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.19 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Ibiquity IBOC in service X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=wJGpufq_h4_T2TL0zFhXQ5GUfmtpt6bMHBq_PzsuVd3DFvYJDbkD X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude IIRC it's at www.radioguide.com Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimsmith95663" > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury > > > Hi Gang Can some one please post that artcal. Thanks Jim Smith > > > The August 2005 Radio Guide magazine delivers another > > hard-hitting article on IBOC by Barry McLarnon, P.E., this one > > entitled, "AM IBOC: Daytime Problems, and Disaster at Night." > > Facts and figures are given to support Mr. McLarnon's claims. From sub50@shortwavelog.com Wed Aug 24 08:28:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: sub50@shortwavelog.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4279 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2005 15:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2005 15:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2005 15:28:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 15:27:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 15:27:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 15:27:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:27:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 217 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.195.176.173 From: "Robert Sillett" Subject: IBOC article in USA Today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193863496; y=04s9xgyKdvJm4AzEIRoehFAkzwCYTFQw3_Fw_QnNPhvRrg X-Yahoo-Profile: sillett The Wednesday, 8-24-05 issue of USA Today has an article on digital radio. While they never mention IBOC, it's clearly about it. http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2005-08-23-digital-radio_x.htm From jkolstad71@yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 11:04:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jkolstad71@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42123 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2005 18:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2005 18:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2005 18:04:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 18:03:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 18:03:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:03:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2856 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.36.200.113 From: "Joel Kolstad" Subject: Re: IBOC article in USA Today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=80393976; y=i7BNc_4a6ZpYrBJLmimZJhJ0WEiO-6BhoZquXJTvG-vd-xTzmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jkolstad71 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Sillett" wrote: > The Wednesday, 8-24-05 issue of USA Today has an article on digital > radio. While they never mention IBOC, it's clearly about it. It includes the now-meaningless phrase about "sound that is equal to the quality of a compact disc." Sheesh. :-( Also: "Without (digital), the radio industry signs its death warrant," says Gartner analyst Laura Behrens. Hmm... I seem to recall that the radio industry was supposed to have been dying for decades now. Here we get to some of the real motivation: "Perhaps more significantly, the digitized signal can be compressed to let FM stations broadcast at least one or two additional channels at the same frequency." Yep... more channels, more advertisements, more revenue. But wait, how are they going to maintain that "CD quality sound" when they stuff those extra channels into the same bandwidth? Another quote: "About 50% of consumers said they would buy a digital radio for the new programming or on-demand traffic or weather updates, vs. 38% who cited better sound quality, In-Stat/MDR says." Interesting that all of that can be provided without needing digital radio. I bet a lot of AM stations have never even heard of C-QUAM... Actually, I do expect that -- eventually -- digital radio will be better, I just think that it's a little dishonest to 'sell' people on it based on having 'features' that are no different than what's presently available. "Eventually, though, broadcasters plan to charge listeners fees for some premium multicast services, such as concerts or traffic updates. Text ads could accompany audio ones" Well, good luck to them -- at that point they're almost directly competing with satellite radio again. "In coming months, the FCC will likely consider a request from the music industry to add copy protections to digital broadcasts. Music companies fear consumers will use sophisticated digital recorders to cherry-pick songs and create catalogs or blast them over the Web, dampening music sales" Anybody who's willing to take a digitally compressed audio bitstream and transcode it to, e.g., MP3 would be perfectly happy with the quality of a nearby FM station today. As far as I could tell growing up, the trivial solution to preventing rampant piracy was the fact that the DJs talked over the intros to the songs! I remember a Scooby Doo episode as a kid where some guys were recording a local FM station and making pirate cassettes from it! "Many AM music stations have switched to news, talk and sports formats because of AM's slightly muffled, tinny sound." Clearly written by someone who knows nothing about radio. If anything, it's AM's LACK of treble due to the 10kHz DSB bandwidth that makes it not as high-fidelity as FM. ---Joel Kolstad From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 12:37:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83514 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2005 19:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2005 19:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2005 19:37:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 91795 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2005 19:37:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20050824193722.91793.qmail@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:37:21 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:37:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: re: IBOC article in USA Today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=gw0X-o6d_mSISesKtlBtySHrIClDG77G4I5tDCHWWh3im-XWHknUHNo X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Interesting; I went thru the list of stations that have installed IBOC/HD and there are very, very few Class 1A clear channel AM stations on the list. Absent from the AM IBOC list are Clear Channels' 2 most powerful stations in Ohio: 700 WLW and 1100 WTAM. An alarming number of Radio Disney stations are converting to IBOC wideband static mode with reduced analog quality - too bad as they were usually the best sounding AM station in their market (AM Stereo or otherwise). Didn't see NYC's 1560 on this list though. The ends just don't justify the mean, in my opinion. You could almost tolerate the crap on AM ---IF--- the 'digital quality' signal received on AM was better than what you can get on XM - but it isn't yet. Detroit has switched most of their FM's to IBOC, so now a band seek and scan stops 0.2 off frequency. I've contacted all the FM's in Detroit, and only ONE station could tell me where I could purchase an HD radio. Most said: "you can try Circuit City or Best Buy" (Bulls**t)! ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Aug 24 15:53:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94016 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2005 22:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2005 22:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.96) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2005 22:53:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:53:46 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by BAY106-DAV24.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:53:46 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:53:46 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2005 22:53:46.0798 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF68FCE0:01C5A8FE] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC article in USA Today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 From the U.S. Today article on Ibiquity's HD (stands for nothing) digital r= adio: >Eventually, though, broadcasters plan to >charge listeners fees for some premium=20 >multicast services, such as concerts or > traffic updates. Text ads could > accompany audio ones.=20 Wow, that's 21st century progress! We'll get to pay for traffic reports as well as have text ads as well as au= dio ads! I can hardly wait! :) Donn, listening to old fashioned satellite radio, w/o any text ads! -----Original Message----- From: Robert Sillett Sent: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:27:15 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} IBOC article in USA Today The Wednesday, 8-24-05 issue of USA Today has an article on digital radio. While they never mention IBOC, it's clearly about it.=20=20 http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2005-08-23-digital-radi= o_x.htm From starship_2001@msn.com Thu Aug 25 03:13:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84852 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 10:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2005 10:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.82) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2005 10:13:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 03:13:26 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by BAY106-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:13:25 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:13:25 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2005 10:13:26.0066 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1BF7920:01C5A95D] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC article in USA Today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=R_JX1A7dfHKj3ou3-G0cwgQ8oE44F3CHUJ4xTD0Mbg69nyQwmKxiMU-Nbw X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 How practical. Read text ads while driving your car..............BANG CRASH= ............what was that ????? HMMMMM pay for subscription programming us= ing (SUPPOSEDLY) the publics airwaves how interesting. -----Original Message----- From: Donn Tillman Sent: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:53:46 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC article in USA Today From the U.S. Today article on Ibiquity's HD (stands for nothing) digital r= adio: >Eventually, though, broadcasters plan to >charge listeners fees for some premium=20 >multicast services, such as concerts or > traffic updates. Text ads could > accompany audio ones.=20 Wow, that's 21st century progress! We'll get to pay for traffic reports as well as have text ads as well as au= dio ads! I can hardly wait! :) Donn, listening to old fashioned satellite radio, w/o any text ads! -----Original Message----- From: Robert Sillett Sent: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:27:15 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} IBOC article in USA Today The Wednesday, 8-24-05 issue of USA Today has an article on digital radio. While they never mention IBOC, it's clearly about it.=20=20 http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2005-08-23-digital-radi= o_x.htm Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Links From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 01:22:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17095 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2005 08:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2005 08:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2005 08:22:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2005 08:22:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2005 08:22:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:21:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1523 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.71.6 From: "Kevin T." Subject: WPEN to flip to Sports X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=bnnj1WcfqAOL4W4emm-46lsErFrYzIKrlRaVPf3erdgQPmmnqw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Less than a year ago, Greater Media's 950 WPEN in Philadelphia replaced their C-Quam AM Stereo with IBOC and then shortly thereafter switched from Adult Standards to an Oldies format. WPEN's ratings plummeted as a result, and now they're soon going to dump music entirely for a Sports Talk format. Despite iBiquity's claims that IBOC will help bring back more music to the AM dial, the opposite seems to be happening: AM stations add IBOC, then dump music for talk. That's exactly what happened with stations like WSAI and KABL, and now WPEN will be the next victim. Meanwhile, Greater Media's WMTR simulcast in New Jersey (on 1250 WMTR and 1170 WWTR) is doing just fine with their Oldies format, especially with all the former CBS-FM listeners they've picked up. So what's the difference? It's easy: emphasis on local programming (WPEN is 100% infomercials on weekends, while WMTR plays music with local DJs 7 days a week), and hi-fi full-bandwidth analog AM audio. WMTR and WWTR are the best-sounding mono AM stations on the dial, because they keep their audio processing simple and clean: just a reverb unit at the studio, and an Optimod 9100 at each station's transmitter site. Although I obviously would prefer it if they broadcasted in AM Stereo, WMTR proves that the music of the '50s and '60s was meant to be heard on AM radio, with a rich, "up-front" sound you just don't get from FM -- or from WPEN's painfully constrained 5 kHz audio, which has all the fidelity of a tin can on a string. From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Aug 26 08:44:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76257 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2005 15:44:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2005 15:44:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm43.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2005 15:44:46 -0000 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (pimout2-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.217]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7QFiiJH026660 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:44:44 -0400 X-ORBL: [66.72.38.31] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-66-72-38-31.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [66.72.38.31]) by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id j7QFiU6J369174 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:44:35 -0400 Message-ID: <003501c5aa55$156c2c40$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20050824193722.91793.qmail@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:44:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0534-4, 08/26/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: IBOC article in USA Today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=T6bmsr7swv0TbpVCTS4pKqLV67btsnPymcT33uDCrZjX0Cc X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Interesting; I went thru the list of stations that have installed IBOC/HD > and > there are very, very few Class 1A clear channel AM stations on the list. > Absent from the AM IBOC list are Clear Channels' 2 most powerful stations > in > Ohio: 700 WLW and 1100 WTAM. I can't speak for WTAM in Cleveland, but I can say without question that WLW -700 KHz has been broadcasting in IBOC radio for a long time.. at least during the daytime hours. Their sideband garbage continues to obliterate WGN -720 KHz, ruining my ability to listen to the Cubbies. I actually sent the FCC a complaint letter back in the spring, but the feds apparently didn't care about my Cubs, cause WLW is still obliterating their signal, and I never received a reply from the commissioner of the FCC. -Jim- From w6yn@juno.com Fri Aug 26 10:46:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41699 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2005 17:46:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2005 17:46:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2005 17:46:25 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBS8XMFAZGWL9S for (sender ); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:46:13 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLP0fIQJvxFKa0G08vx/4YF4= Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K3CMCW8T; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:45:21 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:31:23 -0700 Message-ID: <20050826.104348.1496.0.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-20 X-ContentStamp: 7:3:2476541803 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: IBOC article in USA Today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=g2JBjjgz16L8N-7xj29vyuiugY_Q5T8RIUcRZv74zg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Send your FCC complaints through your Congressman. You WILL get a response. Don On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:44:40 -0500 "Jim Burgan" writes: > > I can't speak for WTAM in Cleveland, but I can say without question > that > WLW -700 KHz has been broadcasting in IBOC radio for a long time.. > at least > during the daytime hours. Their sideband garbage continues to > obliterate > WGN -720 KHz, ruining my ability to listen to the Cubbies. > I actually sent the FCC a complaint letter back in the spring, but > the feds > apparently didn't care about my Cubs, cause WLW is still > obliterating their > signal, and I never received a reply from the commissioner of the > FCC. > -Jim From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 17:59:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36971 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2005 00:59:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2005 00:59:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2005 00:59:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2005 00:59:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2005 00:59:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:59:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 176 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.71.6 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Quote of the week X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=jE2lzfHBkSeotPzcPcFhvCP2S7wdlopohHB-KPmdTgheDjIO1g X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Posted by Stephanie Weil to the New York Radio Message Board in a discussion about AM IBOC: "Hash to the left of me. Buzzing to the right. Stuck in the middle with 5 kHz" From tomray@wor710.com Fri Aug 26 18:16:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68979 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2005 01:16:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2005 01:16:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2005 01:16:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2005 01:16:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2005 01:16:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:16:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003501c5aa55$156c2c40$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 591 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: IBOC article in USA Today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=SgH-y9SFwzHNccHLBV---yBsdETMP8u5ufPZ03OdU4HrRO62 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > I actually sent the FCC a complaint letter back in the spring, but the feds > apparently didn't care about my Cubs, cause WLW is still obliterating their > signal, and I never received a reply from the commissioner of the FCC. > -Jim- And you actually expected a reply? Are you attempting to listen to WGN in their listening area, or several hundred miles out, where the FCC wouldn't even consider an interference complaint? Oh. And if the Red Sox could do it last year, don't count the Cubs out! Tom Ray WOR From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Aug 26 18:17:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89921 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2005 01:17:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2005 01:17:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.77) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2005 01:17:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:17:59 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by BAY106-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:17:58 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:17:58 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2005 01:17:59.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[298A9180:01C5AAA5] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.77 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Quote of the week X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Kevin, Kevin, Kevin! This is the 21st century! This is progress! This is the future! {of the death of commercial radio] So what if the sound and programming is crappy!; at least it's digital! Donn listening to xm as we speak and post -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. Sent: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:59:39 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Quote of the week Posted by Stephanie Weil to the New York Radio Message Board in a=20 discussion about AM IBOC: "Hash to the left of me. Buzzing to the right. Stuck in the middle=20 with 5 kHz" From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Sat Aug 27 04:08:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63025 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2005 11:08:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2005 11:08:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au) (150.229.7.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2005 11:08:29 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by act-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au with ESMTP; 27 Aug 2005 21:05:03 +1000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,145,1122818400"; d="scan'208"; a="59625807:sNHT21409232" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:05:02 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:05:02 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Dennis' AM Stereo List: OT: SCA radios Thread-Index: AcWqtu7dBeYwGeJ5Qnia9RSuuQmoqAAO7ptg To: Cc: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2005 11:05:02.0820 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C622240:01C5AAF7] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: RE: Dennis' AM Stereo List: OT: SCA radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=D0hnmf-kx9tJg5MmwvuhHYOuLiGjIVnbfg-IPJGZ5mBr Dennis I'll be the bunny. What is SCA radio? I could say that here in the Antipodes we've never heard of it. But obviou= sly NZ Michael has. The Oz Report =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D We are lucky in Oz. AMS is nearly dead in Melbourne but Magic 693 haven't = given up on getting their exciter fixed in Sydney. It's (understandably) n= ot a great priority to them. And the racing station 3UZ is still stereo on= a very odd occasion.=20=20 But why I say we are lucky is THE PROGRAMMING.=20=20 All our AM stations and most FMs sound live and local all day. And we have= a good variety of formats. No thub tumping commercial religious radio ...= it's left to community stations - that do it well. And this month (there's not much left) we should get approval for Eureka DA= B which at least to me seems the best viable option. The reason I've always loved AMS has been THE PROGRAMMING. I've listened t= o it almost every day for 20 wonderful years. At the start there was (the = ABC) 3LO, the Greater 3UZ, Rhythm of the City 3DB, I love Melbourne 3KZ, Ta= lking Melbourne 3AW, Easy Music 3MP, Hot Hits 3XY, and 3AK - the Voice of T= elevision City. It's been a good ride as they eventually went to FM or tur= ned their exciters off. I just hope Magic 693 will get back into stereo soon and stay that way unti= l DAB arrives. Ian=20 Melbourne=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Aug 27 09:48:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58260 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2005 16:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2005 16:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2005 16:48:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 65123 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2005 16:48:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20050827164850.65121.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.162.222.143] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:48:50 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:48:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Magic 693 parts required? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=pNaDvHil6WFZ7k5vX_83ckrTfOwaLw_LYrN96H2n_uTRziYfsD14c9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Ian: can you find out what components the folks at Magic 693 need to repair their Motorola hardware? I'd be willing to be a couple of us would be willing to make-up a care package of parts to mail to them to keep their great programming on the air in stereo again? Please see if you can contact someone there in engineering to see about what they require (maybe it's just time to troubleshoot and repair)? Best regards from the Neoconservative States of America ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Aug 27 14:26:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65815 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2005 21:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2005 21:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm43.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.74) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2005 21:26:34 -0000 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (pimout2-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.217]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7RLQgJH002038 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:26:42 -0400 X-ORBL: [66.72.38.31] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-66-72-38-31.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [66.72.38.31]) by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id j7RLQSoh123156 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:26:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c5ab4e$1321d3f0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:27:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0534-4, 08/26/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC article in USA Today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=u52abkHZL8GLEW5wg24A-3v8AnPcXqIyuO6h72kxmP1WkBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > >> I actually sent the FCC a complaint letter back in the spring, but > the feds >> apparently didn't care about my Cubs, cause WLW is still > obliterating their >> signal, and I never received a reply from the commissioner of the FCC. >> -Jim- > > And you actually expected a reply? Are you attempting to listen to > WGN in their listening area, or several hundred miles out, where the > FCC wouldn't even consider an interference complaint? > > Oh. And if the Red Sox could do it last year, don't count the Cubs out! > > Tom Ray > WOR I believe we are in the secondary coverage area. All of the Chicago 50 KW's can be heard here 24/7 (except WGN during the day thanks to WLW). I am slightly over 100 miles out... From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Aug 27 14:50:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2465 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2005 21:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2005 21:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2005 21:50:39 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.92]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 8490693 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:50:38 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c5ab52$1f8b0680$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20050827164850.65121.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:55:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 10, in=9, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.92 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Magic 693 parts required? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=aSm4nOYU24NDfypiO0KfNqVvqxA2DbFw5xRSwBjYAUBYRpgAOzNn X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'll sure be willing to contribute whatever I can get my mitts on. At this point I'd bet it's mostly a matter of replacing dried out electrolytics. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > Ian: can you find out what components the folks at Magic 693 need to repair > their Motorola hardware? I'd be willing to be a couple of us would be willing > to make-up a care package of parts to mail to them to keep their great > programming on the air in stereo again? Please see if you can contact someone > there in engineering to see about what they require (maybe it's just time to > troubleshoot and repair)? From dav259@csiro.au Sat Aug 27 20:44:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42462 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2005 03:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2005 03:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au) (150.229.64.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2005 03:44:25 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au ([138.194.10.10]) by vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au with ESMTP; 28 Aug 2005 13:44:24 +1000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,146,1122818400"; d="scan'208"; a="49866055:sNHT19982864" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7S3iMvX012124 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 13:44:22 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 13:44:22 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: <20050827164850.65121.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Magic 693 parts required? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033; y=nswkZOFzju_z1vxg1QTRVnhwEPh3paX1rg_EWNz4Nvyf X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Thanks Johnny and Scott I'll give it a few more days before I ring them. It seems I may be the only one - and I don't want to upset anyone there. When I rang a couple of days ago the egineer seemed to have forgotton that their exciter was in Sydney for repair. His reaction was like - Oh yeah ... I must find out how that's going. I'll give him a few days for him to come good. It would be good for his ego if he can get it working again. Thanks for your help. It's great to know that you're there. Ian On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, Johnny Electron wrote: > Ian: can you find out what components the folks at Magic 693 need to > repair > their Motorola hardware? I'd be willing to be a couple of us would > be willing > to make-up a care package of parts to mail to them to keep their > great > programming on the air in stereo again? Please see if you can > contact someone > there in engineering to see about what they require (maybe it's just > time to > troubleshoot and repair)? > > Best regards from the Neoconservative States of America From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sun Aug 28 10:21:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54081 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2005 17:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2005 17:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.172) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2005 17:21:32 -0000 Received: from user-2247.l6.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk ([84.64.40.199] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1E9Qqa-0002rz-1X for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:21:32 +0100 Message-ID: <4IUw$GDMJfEDFwBp@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:20:12 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-Originating-IP: 195.92.195.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: Replacement Motorola meters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669; y=0-82FoEWfOeaLzyXN3Dyt7ngQ-uy1JjBjhOk5pyTmkMSqNdg4H2ikvsA X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man I'm in need of some replacement meters to rebuild a moisture damaged exciter and mod monitor pair. Does anyone have some good used meters that they'd be prepared top part with? Thanks -- Philip de Cadenet From kjones_731@yahoo.com Sun Aug 28 17:38:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40035 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2005 00:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2005 00:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81905.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.184) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2005 00:38:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 13047 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2005 00:38:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20050829003853.13045.qmail@web81905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.77.184.249] by web81905.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 17:38:53 PDT Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 17:38:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kirk Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: Dennis' AM Stereo List: OT: SCA radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=v3pmz0p1ykb7dUK2RpkrVZt0yqYreZxWpsCtZ-VVJ0TAQpRRxA X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 Could they be refering to the SCA service on the FM band? This is where they transmit a sub-carrier and it is a subscription service. Uses are for radio reading service for the blind and background music plus many others. > I'll be the bunny. What is SCA radio? From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Aug 30 18:40:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35522 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 01:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 01:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.139) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 01:40:51 -0000 Received: from storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 00A96D6BA; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id SAA02222; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:40:50 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQoiXaKspemBW+atqcZIm9UJYb2iAIUZbxgsxFQAhFGh7wWoT9EZiKO0RI= Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:40:50 -0500 To: CMElogs@americanbroadcastdx.com, ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <3753-43150AA2-4265@storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: New Log WTIX 690 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=YY6lOLKdVQR6_MMhaudfNXKDrrUARjNSY2aqZVacBwVSgCoj1A X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To Follow... Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 597-5276 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Aug 30 18:42:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59809 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 01:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 01:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.139) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 01:42:53 -0000 Received: from storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 9B7D3D6AD; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id SAA02177; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:39:52 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRYi2NShMBqNTQit68+nw+FgiSrNwIUBGfWUx3jEdvayDDWH/ntVrefHFA= Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:39:51 -0500 To: CMElogs@americanbroadcastdx.com, ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <3750-43150A67-8902@storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: WTIX, WWL coverage/ public safety service X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=Ul6LdV7jCMKd4KdwzD2akFT-S7VaJHKsAnlhNQ5ZetoReiNFDw X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LA 690 WTIX New Orleans 5:45 to 6:00 AM CDT 8/29/05 with Hurricane coverage NEW Log NO trace of 870 WWL. Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 597-5276 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 30 18:55:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58254 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 01:55:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 01:55:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 01:55:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 92252 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2005 01:55:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20050831015531.92250.qmail@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.162.222.143] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:55:30 PDT Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:55:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereo@smartgroups.com, CMElogs@americanbroadcastdx.com, ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3750-43150A67-8902@storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: [amstereo] Fwd: WTIX, WWL coverage/ public safety service X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=fYvqZQnvDmHzPElKrOMjAZflqgNlQOb_uZafRmYhtT1x__m0_zjX1HM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio WWL "The Big 8-7" received in Ohio 9:53-9:56pm E.D.T. (with interference from 860) with a telephone call-in show with morning news guy about Hurricane Katrina regarding water slowly continuing to rise - reassuring caller about remaining calm despite problems. --- oldphones wrote: > LA 690 WTIX New Orleans 5:45 to 6:00 AM CDT 8/29/05 with > Hurricane coverage NEW Log NO trace of 870 WWL. > > > Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 597-5276 > Omaha, Nebraska > I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and > wiring items, and a lot more!! > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage > > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 > ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! > > > > > ====================================================================<<< > Whatever you Wanadoo, click below: > http://ads.smartgroups.com/adclick/CID=000000b7c79a99a500000000 > ====================================================================>>> > -- > If you want to share pictures, use the calendar, or start a vote > visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/AMStereo > > To leave the Group, email: AMStereo-unsubscribe@smartgroups.com > > From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:30:29 -0500 > To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com > Subject: WTIX, WWL coverage/ public safety service > > I sent a message this morning, BUT never saw it go though.. Checked > Monday Early A.M. As Katrina hit New Orleans, and near by areas of > Louisiana, Mississippi > 6;45 am to 6;00 am CDT 8/28/05 > > No Reception on 870 WWL Just static > Fair Reception of 690 WTIX New Orleans with hurricane info, news > NEW 1st time reception of this station here at Omaha, NE > May of been on day time power, non standard pattern... anything is > possible during an emergency situation. > > > Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 597-5276 > Omaha, Nebraska > I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and > wiring items, and a lot more!! > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage > > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 > ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Aug 31 01:37:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59089 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 08:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 08:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.136) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 08:37:48 -0000 Received: from storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id D5CF9D6B8; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 01:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id BAA25070; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 01:37:46 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRu+PQvVMxKWBhi5XZig75w8ehA5gIVAJCT0jus5lA/91eZDG7t2NCfgF6N Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 03:37:46 -0500 To: amstereo@smartgroups.com Cc: CMElogs@americanbroadcastdx.com, ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, johnnyelectron@buckeye-express.com, toledohamradio@yahoo.com Message-ID: <19657-43156C5A-11732@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "John P." 's message of Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [amstereo] Fwd: WTIX, WWL coverage/ public safety service X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=JmAnFWETOd1v8WxXflkIzhWfcSuzbKY1fOkImDIw8D9iFConSA X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 It's good to know that some New Orleans stations remain on the air despite what must be some very, very difficult operating conditions. On tuesday's Neal Boortz Show, ( time delayed in Omaha (KKAR) ) Neal was talking with a WTIX staffer on how bad things seem to be getting down in Orleans and that 690 WTIX was about the only station still on the air during the height of the storm, BUT as of tuesday morning, they were OFF the air. They ( WTIX ) had a report that the road leading to their transmitter site had a reported 12 feet of water covering it. No word of the exact status of their transmitter, But If it got soaked OR the tower bases are surrounded with water, that would likely take them off the air. Need to check on WWL's status. Bill Snyder _ Omaha Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 597-5276 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Aug 31 02:23:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92703 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 09:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 09:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.137) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 09:23:10 -0000 Received: from storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 0B630D5DE; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id CAA11585; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:16:43 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUArxKPTno2FAlppkASI3/IjfuxldQCFGy6tgmHDYX2sFdak0rYndMZrEae Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 04:16:43 -0500 To: amstereo@smartgroups.com Cc: CMElogs@americanbroadcastdx.com, ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <11472-4315757B-3@storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones)'s message of Wed, 31 Aug 2005 03:37:46 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [amstereo] Fwd: WTIX, WWL coverage/ public safety service X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=H3MRaFpVAvCrLwgLeZ99V7S6n7URv4YmXi8s4skRzMvJAPC6hA X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 870 WWL IS on the air as of 3:34 to 4:05 AM Wed. 8-31-05 Fair to good signal, would seem that they are on full power or close to full power, With the massive power outages in the New Orleans area, I would think they must be running off a big diesel generator. They are discussing the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina with callers, NO CBS news feed. Bill Snyder BS-NE 1 Omaha, NE Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 597-5276 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From berettagtz@bonbon.net Wed Aug 31 13:00:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: berettagtz@bonbon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11909 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 20:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 20:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-out.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 20:00:33 -0000 Received: from bonbon.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by smtp-out.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0CF0216DF708 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:00:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slidingvmsjq3a (cpe-065-188-181-021.triad.res.rr.com [65.188.181.21]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 472411A014B for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:00:25 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <002001c5ae67$02ce5bb0$6400a8c0@slidingvmsjq3a> To: References: <11472-4315757B-3@storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:03:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Originating-IP: 38.113.3.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Ernest Jones" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [amstereo] Fwd: WTIX, WWL coverage/ public safety service X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174081060; y=RgDMfzNTEagtP9LBNEZIHBUC6j8fR07oN5gIc8momZfuVIrO X-Yahoo-Profile: e92fmjamz I took a listen to WWL last night here in central NC, signal was fair-good, taking calls and discussing the overall situation. AFAIK, they were only off the air for a brief period of time ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:16 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: [amstereo] Fwd: WTIX, WWL coverage/ public safety service > 870 WWL IS on the air as of 3:34 to 4:05 AM Wed. 8-31-05 Fair > to good signal, would seem that they are on full power or close to full > power, With the massive power outages in the New Orleans area, I would > think they must be running off a big diesel generator. They are > discussing the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina with callers, NO CBS news > feed. > Bill Snyder BS-NE 1 Omaha, NE > > > Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 597-5276 > Omaha, Nebraska > I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and > wiring items, and a lot more!! > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage > > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 > ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From kya1260@lycos.com Wed Aug 31 16:10:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64637 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 23:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 23:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 23:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id A6B3418001B6 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:10:34 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 31 Aug 2005 23:10:34 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8EB4AE5BC7; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:10:34 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:10:34 -0800 Received: from [69.110.157.29] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:10:34 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050831231034.8EB4AE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Addendum {AMSF} Re: WWL coverage/ public safety service X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=CPMaY7fLBHdBB22wKpNr0a4xDZ_qs0zgZH91ioTZJ2XNMQj3Mw X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ After levee breach, Entercom may abandon downtown studios From the 8/31/2005 Radio Business Report (R.B.R.): In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, things have actually=20 gotten worse for the Entercom stations in New Orleans.=20 Entercom VP/Engineering Marty Hadfield tells RBR that=20 because a levee breach yesterday sent water flooding=20 into the area around their downtown studios, staffers may=20 evacuate the downtown studios and move to a site near=20 the WWL-AM transmitter site: "There's a good chance we=20 may have to abandon it. We already have people at the=20 Jefferson Parish Emergency Operations Center.=20 We have a makeshift studio out there that's been=20 there for along, long, time. If or when we do abandon=20 the downtown area then we're going to be operating from=20 there. We're getting some satellite receivers and dishes=20 out there as we speak. It is in Marrero, LA.=20 This is going to be lasting for months and months and=20 the power is going to be out for 30-45 days. After the=20 levee breach, there is quite a bit of water where our=20 building is downtown - - knee deep to waist deep now=20 and working its way up."=20 Mississippi also took a pounding from the storm, with=20 reports of stations knocked off the air in some communities.=20 For many areas, the floods that followed the hurricane=20 were more devastating than the winds had been. -- end story -- --jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Jones" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [amstereo] Fwd: WTIX, WWL coverage/ public safety s= ervice Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:03:09 -0400 >=20 > I took a listen to WWL last night here in central NC, signal was fair-g= ood, > taking calls and discussing the overall situation. AFAIK, they were only = off > the air for a brief period of time >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: ; ; > ; ; > > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:16 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: [amstereo] Fwd: WTIX, WWL coverage/ public safety > service >=20 >=20 > > 870 WWL IS on the air as of 3:34 to 4:05 AM Wed. 8-31-05 Fair > > to good signal, would seem that they are on full power or close to full > > power, With the massive power outages in the New Orleans area, I would > > think they must be running off a big diesel generator. They are > > discussing the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina with callers, NO CBS news > > feed. > > Bill Snyder BS-NE 1 Omaha, NE > > > > > > Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 597-5276 > > Omaha, Nebraska > > I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and > > wiring items, and a lot more!! > > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage > > > > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 > > ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 31 19:21:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29270 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2005 02:21:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2005 02:21:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2005 02:21:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2005 02:21:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2005 02:21:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 02:21:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <11472-4315757B-3@storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 460 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.86.7 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: [amstereo] Fwd: WTIX, WWL coverage/ public safety service X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=R85ez6TT8x8o7qgEg6ZC6Mv4MAkkfrXdVp9OKIIa-rE_lj6uaw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > 870 WWL IS on the air as of 3:34 to 4:05 AM Wed. 8-31-05 > Fair to good signal, would seem that they are on full power or > close to full power, With the massive power outages in the New > Orleans area, I would think they must be running off a big diesel > generator. They are discussing the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina > with callers, NO CBS news feed. WWL is reportedly operating at half power (25 kW) in order to conserve generator fuel. From oldphones@webtv.net Fri Sep 02 04:49:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37253 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2005 11:49:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2005 11:49:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.137) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2005 11:49:04 -0000 Received: from storefull-3335.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id D7232D665; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 04:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3335.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA05991; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 04:49:02 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAtG0orX8gg9XzenUDEIj0HQV7cXwCFCRAv73F7s4T49kdjQDdaRWqLbyu Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:49:02 -0500 To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: CMElogs@americanbroadcastdx.com, ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <17507-43183C2E-765@storefull-3335.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "texas4421" 's message of Thu, 1 Sep 2005 22:47:03 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [ABDX] Katrina report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=1jtv64nnK7DBtk393VsJMiG_z8KQbSZpF8adAkAc-UcOOgZDbQ X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 I wish we had a lot more reporting of info on the Katrina / New Orleans diaster and what DX one can log, and all the other discussions, This probably the biggest natural Diaster the United States has experiences in many, many years. Some are comparing it to the 1900 Galveston Hurricane and the 1906 Great San Francisco Earthquake and Fire. The LOG: LA 870 WWL-AM New Orleans, LA with emergency information, news > The United Broadcasters of New Orleans > operating out of the WWL transmitter site. Currently WWL and one other AM is operational, Plus 4 FM stations simulcasting the same info. BS- NE1 Things sound pretty desperate down there.... The Mayor of New Orleans seems pretty upset about the chaotic way things are going, the looting, lawlessness, and the lukewarm emergency response at the state, and federal level. Prayers are in order. Makes for some interesting first hand reports when WWL skips in at night. Reports have WWL running 1/2 power (25 KW) to conserve fuel. Bill Snyder - BS-NE 1 Omaha, NE Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 597-5276 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 02 11:18:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33097 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2005 18:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2005 18:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.164) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2005 18:18:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 87375 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Sep 2005 18:18:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20050902181846.87373.qmail@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 11:18:46 PDT Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 11:18:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1125684699.828.35781.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: New AM Chip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=3JZU_Hf3sQj9fQCwrXcNrpO2d8bxf063KfQhjh1IeTgBwj-stwWcJl4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From RadioWorld: Date posted: 2005-09-01 Philips Demos New Chip for Automotive DRM, HD Radios At IFA 2005 Philips will demonstrate its first dedicated coprocessor designed for in-car entertainment systems to decode Digital Radio Mondiale signals. DRM is a digital AM and shortwave system. The Nexperia-based chip integrates with existing Philips DSP-based car radio platforms, allowing an upgrade from existing AM/FM designs. The benefit of the design, according to the company, is reduced cost and faster time to market for DRM in the car. The single chip coprocessor works with Philips' SAF7730 automotive software radio DSP and TEF6730 Digital IF car radio front-end to provide manufacturers with a total system solution that supports DRM as well as HD Radio reception. Philips says evaluation models of the DRM coprocessor are ready for radio manufacturers now. IFA is in Berlin Sept. 2-7. comment: I wonder if it can easily decode C-Quam and CAM-D too?? ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 02 11:21:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15218 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2005 18:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2005 18:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2005 18:21:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 99632 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Sep 2005 18:21:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20050902182139.99630.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 11:21:39 PDT Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 11:21:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: OT: Friday Afternoon Quarterback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=HRsFq4JGFf49LERYIk2u1enNh-BrNWQ9jEeeXhpkG1eDiWPGmB_IBsI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Regarding the disaster in NewOrleans: why don't we send in Colin Powell and Mayor Rudy Giuliani?? That's the caliber of people we need down there. Regarding communications: can't WalMart airdrop a load of AM radios & batteries so the folks have a way to get information down there? WWL - AM is the big one getting out - anther reason to keep IBOC off of the AM band, especially in times of disaster like this... ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From kya1260@lycos.com Fri Sep 02 11:28:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42651 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2005 18:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2005 18:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2005 18:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 678F6180012D for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 18:27:28 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 2 Sep 2005 18:27:28 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DB652E5BC7; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 18:27:27 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:27:27 -0800 Received: from [69.110.157.29] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:27:27 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050902182727.DB652E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: {O.T.} {AMSF} KFRC 99.7 CHANGES X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=Qj-B0xPx90bcEzJul7bNxGwlhFJmII2hRuIXJO4ok0gWMvvkKw X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ The San Jose Mercury News and KRON TV 4 are reporting that San Francisco's KFRC, FM 99.7, will change to a=20 "Generation Jones" format of '70s and '80s, and=20 dropping the '50s/'60s music... The change takes place at Noon today... --jay --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From kya1260@lycos.com Fri Sep 02 12:37:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78264 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2005 19:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2005 19:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2005 19:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 74C5C18001B1 for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:37:03 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 2 Sep 2005 19:37:03 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 58151C613B; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:37:03 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 11:37:03 -0800 Received: from [69.110.157.29] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 11:37:03 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050902193703.58151C613B@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: {O.T.} Follow-up {AMSF} KFRC 99.7 CHANGES X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=Wil9LQq2w7m1fEM0-aAPFGS6wOTNxt2a8PpiiG_woHdxxEwQfw X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Sure enough, KFRC 99.7 has changed its tune, with a heavy dose of mid- to late-1970s and '80s mostly, and a few '60s-type tunes to tease... Sounds like KOIT 1260/96.5 (Lite Rock, Less Talk) but sans=20 currents and recurrents... This leaves ZERO representation of '50s/'60s rock oldies in=20 the San Francisco Bay and Monterey Bay Areas (KYAA 1200 in Monterey Bay went foreign language at the start of the summer)... --jay --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Sep 02 15:15:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99020 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2005 22:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2005 22:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.77) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2005 22:15:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 15:15:56 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by BAY106-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:15:55 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:15:55 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2005 22:15:56.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3DF53C0:01C5B00B] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.77 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Friday Afternoon Quarterback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=5etQqq8wnKcACMSTi1JoSpqWW2vJDpSfQVKVtLHrkGA1D8xr9ns45jOArA X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Not only get / keep iBAC off AM band but clear up the congestion on the ban= d and restore the clear channels (i don't mean the corperation) .=20 -----Original Message----- From: John P. Sent: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 11:21:39 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} OT: Friday Afternoon Quarterback Regarding the disaster in NewOrleans: why don't we send in Colin Powell and Mayor Rudy Giuliani?? That's the caliber of people we need down there. Regarding communications: can't WalMart airdrop a load of AM radios & batte= ries so the folks have a way to get information down there? WWL - AM is the big= one getting out - anther reason to keep IBOC off of the AM band, especially in times of disaster like this... =09=09 ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page=20 http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs=20 =20 Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Links From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Sep 04 14:02:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83180 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2005 21:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2005 21:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2005 21:02:45 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.234]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 10362672 for ; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 16:02:43 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c5b194$12835440$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20050902181846.87373.qmail@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:03:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 4, First 12, in=10, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.234 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Chip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Svt9nE20e9ZctzmPpUMbZmamFzqCUSFpe_mBZS7A9aq9Vd9Gp8xP X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Might be just a matter of adding the programming. BTW- I hope to get to the Madison Broadcasters Clinic in late Oct. where one of the speakers is Greg Buchwald of Motorola (he's one of their AM stereo developers) on the subject of IBOC mutual interference. I know that's been one of Salem's peeves about the system. Tom Ray looks like he's been rescheduled to appear on another IBOC forum in the same venue. If I can get approval to go, I'll make sure to talk with Greg about CQUAM decoding for DSP. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > From RadioWorld: > > Date posted: 2005-09-01 > Philips Demos New Chip for Automotive DRM, HD Radios > At IFA 2005 Philips will demonstrate its first dedicated coprocessor designed > for in-car entertainment systems to decode Digital Radio Mondiale signals. > > Philips says evaluation models of the DRM coprocessor are ready for radio > manufacturers now. > > > comment: I wonder if it can easily decode C-Quam and CAM-D too?? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Sep 04 14:06:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49237 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2005 21:06:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2005 21:06:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2005 21:06:23 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.234]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 10363192 for ; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 16:06:22 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c5b194$93455d80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:06:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 12, in=11, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.234 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Friday Afternoon Quarterback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=HDQ6ciytSLLvubH5YKMKzomFxn4im-p7iLnJqPMQEJmRIqayF4x6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Would that we could go back, but unfortunately the genie is out of the bottle on this one. Some unbroken clears would be nice. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norbert 26" > Not only get / keep iBAC off AM band but clear up the congestion on the band and restore the clear channels (i don't mean the corperation) . From starship_2001@msn.com Tue Sep 06 04:58:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83576 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2005 11:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2005 11:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2005 11:58:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 04:58:36 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.204 by BAY106-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:58:35 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:58:35 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2005 11:58:36.0294 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FE4DA60:01C5B2DA] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: WHJJ nighttime IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=0MvRKj6M05q9Z0VxAxk1gXj82u_k3ktZWVuET942acUM4EYVWKkXRIoiTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 local WHJJ 920 (9/05/2005) did NOT turn off their IBOC at sunset. As of mid= night last night when i went to bed they still had the IBOC on. 930 WBEN wa= s wiped out. 940 from montreal was wiped out. splatter into 950. both 900 a= nd 910 were out. Splatter jammed 890 WLS as well. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Sep 06 06:25:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27721 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2005 13:25:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2005 13:25:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2005 13:25:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2005 13:25:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2005 13:25:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2005 13:25:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:25:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 154 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.35.236 From: "Dave" Subject: DRM at IFA 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=pVKddqsLai0NwmanX9CuDDjCgwb90J-dmusVAYjlNWGYsR6kvA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I've pasted in from a report on the DRM forums a word doc with pics etc Download here :- http://s53.yousendit.com/d.php?id=3FSJWUSLZNS40ZZ557G76JZKO From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Sep 07 07:51:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24304 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2005 14:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2005 14:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2005 14:51:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 14:50:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 14:50:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:50:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 51 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.89.146.146 From: "narkspud" Subject: It's Baaaaaaaack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=-6O6ICsYMSPyJECyaP9w7xsoE4KsvvYo5ascs7-lupokCWY X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud IBOC on KNX. Well, that was fun while it lasted. From petersdad2001@yahoo.com Wed Sep 07 12:34:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: petersdad2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86106 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2005 19:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2005 19:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2005 19:34:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 19:33:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 19:33:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 19:33:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 518 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 199.184.237.225 From: "Alan Oda" Subject: Re: It's Baaaaaaaack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=79442875; y=7vIPa1oHENH3IjXmXg4K3bPNEcKsQS1j3hefY69UaNNgmIvBDssecg X-Yahoo-Profile: petersdad2001 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > IBOC on KNX. Well, that was fun while it lasted. Ah, I thought I heard the "hash" on 1090. During the past few weeks, I was reminded how good KNX sounded as an analog station. Two other questions / observations: - Has anyone heard KNX in IBOC? - The ipod downloads (including the 55 minute tribute to their old Columbia Square studios) are in stereo. I don't think the webstream is in stereo, but I wonder if the IBOC is in stereo? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Sep 07 17:32:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15288 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2005 00:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2005 00:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2005 00:32:50 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.128]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 11153837 for ; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 19:32:49 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c5b40c$f18a3120$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:33:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 2, in=5, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.128 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHJJ nighttime IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=MMFS5w8uqfZnOzOZjUt5i6uuxmCZI756B8GDtgwxBicT75kk0mE7 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Keep tabs and see if it keeps happening, then notify them if it does, and then if they still do nothing, start reporting it to the other stations and let them start raising havoc with the FCC. Let us know what happens. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norbert 26" > local WHJJ 920 (9/05/2005) did NOT turn off their IBOC at sunset. As of midnight last night when i went to bed they still had the IBOC on. 930 WBEN was wiped out. 940 from montreal was wiped out. splatter into 950. both 900 and 910 were out. Splatter jammed 890 WLS as well. From droland66@yahoo.com Thu Sep 08 13:21:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69822 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2005 20:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2005 20:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2005 20:21:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2005 20:21:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2005 20:21:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:21:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1523 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.99.185.241 From: "david roland" Subject: Re: bet CAM-D will X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=E9bhr0toVL0gDXPNkxtruCrCK20YJh6IyUkQXbEN4qJB8mcv X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 does anyone know how CAM-D works? does the digital portion of the signal contain the entire audio wave or does the receiver work in an analog/digital hybrid mode? just curious if anyone here knows since Kahn's website doesn't provide any insight. the only audio clip demonstrates how the signal sounds on different standard monural AM receivers of varying frequency response. just wanted some feedback as to if anyone gets the impression that Kahn has the digital portion of his "standard" set or if he is making this up as he goes. i, for one, would love to hear high quality 15 kHz stereo ANALOG AM. if the broadcast industry is truely interested in having the AM band revitilized, high quality synchronous detection 20 kHz AM stereo receivers should be manufactured and stations should be able to broadcast 20 kHz during the day and 10 kHz AMAX at night (except 20 kHz groundwave for local nightime reception). every known trick in the book should be used in the AM receivers to reduce static, fading, etc., heck, even get dolby or dbx involved to work on EQ curves, noise reduction (high bitrate dsp?), etc. since analog AM sound quality can be made equal to CD quality and still remain compatible, why not do so? the same receiver manufacturers currently pushing the IBOC standard can just as easily devode their time to making excellent analog receivers and the cost should be about the same since as much of the design as possible would be incorporated into the chipset, anyway. coax From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 08 17:18:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37465 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2005 00:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2005 00:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2005 00:18:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2005 00:18:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2005 00:18:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:18:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 212 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.90.6 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Harris AM Stereo demo LP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=hF5FVVP0f640r8LV9plwo4CcRbjhd2KenBL_hU5hYz71iR240Q X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is amazing... a demonstration LP for the Harris V-CPM (Variable Compatible Phase Modulation) AM Stereo system... yes, AM Stereo on vinyl!! http://cgi1.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4764273453 From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 09 00:50:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22077 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2005 07:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2005 07:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2005 07:50:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2005 07:49:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2005 07:49:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 07:49:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 172 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.41.2 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: There's still AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=9xkhMzFhwacJ190JTpMUSzJ_V5-q6HllXM4XGTVXbjW5cm3P X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I can confirm that Calgary's 1060 CKMX is still AM stereo, thanks to a radio that mysteriously arrived to my home today. :) *hugs her "new" SRF-A100* :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 09 12:43:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84263 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2005 19:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2005 19:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2005 19:43:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 23867 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Sep 2005 19:43:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20050909194331.23865.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 12:43:31 PDT Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:43:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1126286950.936.63039.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Harris LP on CD?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=wei6xIvxhdpwwDZpOZChigbjtizuvy77rD_9oyjt-HbGddqRkaKVt4k X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio "Kevin T." wrote: Subject: Harris AM Stereo demo LP This is amazing... a demonstration LP for the Harris V-CPM (Variable Compatible Phase Modulation) AM Stereo system... yes, AM Stereo on vinyl!! This is pretty slick - I'm hoping Jeff will share a CD version with us?? ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 09 12:51:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86818 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2005 19:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2005 19:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.164) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2005 19:51:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 2707 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Sep 2005 19:50:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20050909195059.2705.qmail@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 12:50:58 PDT Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:50:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1126286950.936.63039.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=zY2aZ3UoY8hSI4DbOUms4QSIoUKVM-czpgkfYBgmBI1z6YoG_KURP1U X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio > does anyone know how CAM-D works? My guess from what I've read is that from about 50Hz to 8KHz it is is good 'ole proven technology analog Kahn-Hazeltine ISB AM Stereo! Then, from 8KHz - 15KHz it is mono digital audio that is decoded and added back to the stereo analog portion for a full-range audio cocktail. Throw in some low speed data like station ID, song title and artist, a little EAS, and you've got Leonard Kahn's CAM-D. I'm all in favor of it going forward; however, conversations I've had with a station engineer in Michigan indicated that Leonard wanted mucho thousands of dollars for the honor of adding CAM-D to this guy's 2 AM stations - which he would have done, if he didn't have to front the money; too bad, I would have loved to hear it. Anybody else that can add their 2 cents worth? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 09 13:43:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2161 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2005 20:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2005 20:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2005 20:43:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2005 20:41:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2005 20:41:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2005 20:41:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 20:41:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050909194331.23865.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 547 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.41.2 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Harris LP on CD?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=M3jHf8aIro-OOZxtbbMrvZzEZXpmF5Cx-I_JoAKyMmXUorr6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > "Kevin T." wrote: > Subject: Harris AM Stereo demo LP > This is amazing... a demonstration LP for the Harris V-CPM (Variable > Compatible Phase Modulation) AM Stereo system... yes, AM Stereo on > vinyl!! > > This is pretty slick - I'm hoping Jeff will share a CD version with us?? The AM Stereo Archive would be happy to host MP3s and scans from the LP set. (And the Archive's owner envys Jeff for having that material, now!) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Sep 10 01:04:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72509 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2005 08:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2005 08:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2005 08:04:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:04:33 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.206 by BAY106-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 08:04:32 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereo@bellsouth.net Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 08:04:32 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2005 08:04:33.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[4749E740:01C5B5DE] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: from the L.A. Times - AM radio fills the void, when push comes to shove (Long) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 A Lifeline Sent by Airwave An interesting artice from today's Los Angeles Times (10 September 2005) ---------------------------------------------- http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-radio10sep10,0,6889663= .story LOS ANGELES TIMES COLUMN ONE A Lifeline Sent by Airwave Two days after Katrina hit, New Orleans radio stations teamed up to bring n= eeded news and familiar voices to those otherwise cut off. By Ellen Barry Times Staff Writer September 10, 2005 BATON ROUGE, La. =E2=80=94 Deke "the Big Chief" Bellavia, a sportscaster on= WWL-AM, is among the world's leading authorities on high school football i= n southeast Louisiana. He has a rolling, syrupy accent and an enormous girt= h, which he is not too shy to mention on the air. He did not expect to find himself =E2=80=94 as he did last week =E2=80=94 i= nstructing a dehydrated listener to punch a hole in a can of corn and suck = out the liquid. Or soothing a woman who called from her cellphone while wad= ing through water that had bodies in it. This was not what he was hired to = do. "You find a way to get through it because the people need you," Bellavia sa= id.=20 After Hurricane Katrina, as modern forms of communications failed one by on= e in New Orleans, one technology functioned, and that was radio.=20 Working out of a fluorescent-lighted studio in Baton Rouge, a collection of= personalities from New Orleans radio stations =E2=80=94 sportscasters, roc= k jocks, Christian broadcasters, and soft rock and smooth-talk R&B talent = =E2=80=94 has served as the slender connection between stranded people and = the outside world. It was a talk-radio host, Garland Robinette, who, three days after Katrina,= recorded the interview with New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin that sounded th= e city's distress like a foghorn. It was radio that recorded the locations = of hundreds of people who used the fading batteries of their cellphones to = call the station. These days, from morning to night, radio broadcasts survi= vors as they look for lost and separated family members.=20 "In a crisis, you fall back to what you know. You fall back to the very bas= ics," said Kevin Duplantis, chief engineer for WWL, in normal times a conse= rvative talk-radio station. "And radio is very simple. Turn it on, turn up = the volume, and someone is talking to you. You're attached to that voice. Y= ou're looking to that voice as your guide out."=20 On Aug. 29, when the storm made landfall, satellite dishes welded to the ro= oftops in New Orleans broke loose and crashed into one another, cracking in= to pieces. The only media outlet still broadcasting live from the city was = WWL, and in its offices, programming and operations manager Diane Newman, 4= 8, heard the studio windows =E2=80=94 which had been boarded up =E2=80=94 e= xplode one by one.=20 She had Robinette on the air at that moment, and walked him down the hallwa= y holding a microphone in front of him, as if he were a hospital patient at= tached to an IV. Robinette, 62, had broken into broadcast journalism while = working as a janitor at a small radio station; he shook off his Cajun accen= t and, with his wedge of dark hair, became an icon in New Orleans=20 By 6 the next morning, a levee had broken, and Newman had orders to evacuat= e to Baton Rouge, 80 miles away. Those employees who could still drive out = left at dawn, and the last few who remained were evacuated by helicopter. T= he helicopter had been chartered by WWL's fiercest competitor, Clear Channe= l Communications Inc., to pick up several of its own employees. It was the beginning of an unusual partnership. That same day, Clear Channe= l and WWL's parent company, Entercom Communications Corp., temporarily comb= ined their operations; 18 stations would broadcast as one. Clear Channel wo= uld benefit from WWL's formidable news operation, and Entercom would have a= ccess to Clear Channel's studios.=20 The new venture =E2=80=94 the United Radio Broadcasters of New Orleans =E2= =80=94 went on the air at dawn Aug. 31, two days after the hurricane. It seemed like an easy decision to Dick Lewis, Clear Channel's regional vic= e president. Lewis, 54, can identify the precise moment when he decided to = get into radio. He was 17, in the car with his parents, driving through a t= errible storm near Broken Bow, Okla.=20 It was the middle of the night. As the wind and hail grew stronger, Lewis r= ecalls, his mother told the kids to get down between the car's seats. Then = the tornado touched down on them and the car started "bouncing like a baske= tball."=20 What Lewis remembers is that the radio in the car, tuned to WKY-AM in Oklah= oma City, kept working. For 20 minutes =E2=80=94 a period that felt like a = lifetime =E2=80=94 "it was the radio that gave us our sense of calmness, ou= r touch with the outside world," he said.=20 He got into radio for that reason, although most of his time is spent, he s= ays, on "routine stuff." "We provide entertainment to fill up the time," he said. "All we're doing i= s filling up the time, to be here until something of significant magnitude = happens."=20 In the beige-carpeted offices of Clear Channel Communications in Baton Roug= e, posters declare a corporate mantra: "Clear Channel Communications. Make = Budget. Beat Market." Last week, after WWL relocated there, someone crossed= out the last two sentences, and wrote this in with a red marker: "Help Hum= anity." Hold lights blinked on the studio phone for three days as listeners called = in to tell the world about the terrible things that were happening to them.= =20 Their minds fogged with fear, they asked radio hosts how they should get to= their roofs. The answer: Climb out on the windowsill. Hand the children up= . DJs gave instructions on how to take a wooden door off its hinges so it c= ould be used as a raft. Red-eyed at the end of a five-hour shift, Gerry Vaillancourt, a Charlotte H= ornets analyst on WODT-AM, recalled the stream of calls: "I can't find my b= aby! My sister lost her baby! I saw a dead man! I've never seen a dead man!= I can't find my 4-year-old son! =E2=80=A6 I can't find my husband!"=20 From behind the microphone in the studio, he said, New Orleans sounded "lik= e a city being nuked." Vaillancourt is a warm, pugnacious man, originally from the Bronx. He was s= truck, he said, by the power of talk radio =E2=80=94 its intimacy, its burd= en. "There's a family with 15 people in a house with no power, but they can lis= ten," he said. "You're on the next shift, and you're keeping them company, = and it's frightening."=20 Vaillancourt got through it with gentle, goofy humor.=20 He remembers a woman who called, miserable and stranded, and told him she w= as getting ready to eat. Vaillancourt suggested that she make veal Parmesan= , and maybe he would come by with a bottle of Merlot. She said, forlornly, = that she didn't have any of the ingredients.=20 Then she asked, "What if I just make us a lasagna?"=20 Then she laughed and laughed. Mayor Nagin called the station Sept. 1 when Robinette was on the air. Robin= ette had broadcast every day since the storm hit; he was tired, he said, an= d "not concentrating the way I should." The mayor was tired too. The situation in New Orleans had deteriorated shar= ply. Thousands of people were milling at the Superdome and the convention c= enter, sick, dehydrated and desperate to get out of the city. Rescue crews,= alarmed about reports of rioting, were afraid to pull off the interstate.= =20 Robinette was expecting a report from the mayor, but what he got was a half= -hour roar of anger and despair. It was the sound of a man who no longer ca= red about his political future.=20 "You know," Nagin said, "God is looking down on all this, and if [state and= federal authorities] are not doing everything in their power to save peopl= e, they are going to pay the price. Because every day that we delay, people= are dying and they're dying by the hundreds, I'm willing to bet you. "We're getting reports and calls that are breaking my heart, from people sa= ying: 'I've been in my attic. I can't take it anymore. The water is up to m= y neck. I don't think I can hold out.' And that's happening as we speak." Nagin went on and on, until both men fell silent. On the air, Robinette cou= ld be heard crying. The station cut to a commercial.=20 That interview, Robinette said, was "the off-the-cliff moment and the flyin= g moment." Mike Kaplan, operations manager at Entercom's adult contemporary station, w= as listening at the master control. His first thought was that the mayor's = profanity-laced outburst might have violated Federal Communications Commiss= ion standards. His second thought was about history. He asked: Is someone t= aping this? He pressed a record button.=20 "He said, 'Di, I want to get that out to everyone in the country,' " Newman= said.=20 The tape was driven across town to the local CBS affiliate. By the next day= , Nagin's interview was airing on all three networks. Within 24 hours, President Bush visited New Orleans. "When they write the history of Katrina, it will be written on the turn of = Ray Nagin," Robinette said. "That was a guy pulling babies out of the water= . That was the power of it. It was one man furious." Many WWL employees are still living in RVs beside the parking lot of the Cl= ear Channel building, sleeping in four-hour shifts.=20 Suitcases sat in cubicles, and over the PA system, a receptionist announced= that grief counselors were on hand for anyone who needed them. No one show= ed up, though, probably because they were too busy.=20 Lewis found that he could no longer perform simple arithmetic. Sales manage= r Mark Boudreaux was reminding people to remind him of things. Newman, fuzz= y-headed with exhaustion, accidentally placed her new cellphone in a cup of= coffee. She didn't care, she said: "What matters is what comes out of that= box."=20 A note of calm entered the calls this week. Listeners now wanted contact nu= mbers for the Red Cross, they wanted to know if they should boil their wate= r, they wanted to reunite with family members.=20 Bellavia, 34, who was diagnosed last year with Hodgkin's lymphoma, feels th= e way he felt when he found out his tumor was gone: guilty that he has walk= ed away when so many others died.=20 Leaving the station every night, for the hourlong drive to his home in Amit= e, 50 miles northeast of Baton Rouge, he "began to feel like a machine," he= said. "I'll put it like this: I haven't broken down, but I wonder when I will," B= ellavia said. "I wonder when I will, how you say, shut down and reboot."=20 Robinette, who was awarded two purple hearts in Vietnam, said the week of t= he flood was "all adrenaline. I used to say, overseas, that nobody's afraid= during a firefight. When it's over, it's very scary."=20 These days, Robinette takes calls from people who want to thank him or the = station and say how grateful they are. Something about that sickens him Rad= io, he said, has not done anything for the people of New Orleans. "It's what the people of New Orleans have done for radio. You want to say, = 'You're the ones dying,' " he said. Then he hung his head and sobbed.=20 As for Duplantis, whose house was probably engulfed in the 25-foot surge th= at hit St. Bernard Parish, he doesn't spend much time cataloging his losses= .=20 "I don't even think about it. What am I going to think about?" Duplantis, 4= 2, said. "I just work."=20 And so the broadcasts continue. They are not archived, so there is no recor= d of the hundreds of ordinary people who called the station at the stranges= t, most terrifying moments of their lives.=20 In the early hours of Sept. 2, several million radio listeners east of the = Rocky Mountains could hear the voice of a man on his roof in New Orleans de= scribing what the stars looked like over a city in darkness.=20 The man's voice sounded serene and mellow. At that moment, he was in total = isolation =E2=80=94 speaking from his rooftop in a city filling up with ree= king water, SWAT teams and crowds of angry, hungry, frightened people=20 No one could have gotten to him that night, and it is impossible to know wh= ether he survived. But his voice was carried on the 50,000-watt signal of W= WL-AM. He sounded close enough to touch.=20 ---------------------------------------------- Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times _____________________________________ From jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 10 05:04:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96139 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2005 12:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2005 12:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2005 12:04:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2005 12:03:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2005 12:03:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2005 12:03:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:03:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050909194331.23865.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 188 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Harris LP on CD?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215058239; y=VlXbtlCFZ2LgB7qeISVhOokygPYZICbKC9BrMASoroML_64gaADy X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 >This is pretty slick - I'm hoping Jeff will share a CD version with >us?? Sure, absolutely as soon as the LP record is received. 73, Jeff http://Meduci.com http://AmStereoTuner.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Sep 10 09:33:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49773 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2005 16:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2005 16:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2005 16:33:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 5556 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2005 16:33:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20050910163318.5554.qmail@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.162.222.143] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 09:33:17 PDT Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 09:33:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1126368222.557.23638.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1670 WWL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=GHbNO_Hes9fvPb3gZmY6FsqiKckIqT5VJZ7tqbhwh3pvazY2QeWjido X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio After reading Don's article about WWL radio, it was like the quiet at the end of Linus telling Charlie Brown "That's what Christmas is all about" - as that's what AM radio is all about - our last communications link in bad times, and that's why all of us feel so strong about keeping analog AM radio healthy! ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From rbrucecarter@yahoo.com Sat Sep 10 16:33:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rbrucecarter@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8938 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2005 23:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2005 23:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2005 23:33:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2005 23:33:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2005 23:33:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:33:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050909195059.2705.qmail@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1227 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 4.252.254.99 From: "Bruce Carter" Subject: Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116052011; y=szOR1ZlRtqOmselVg3y3Jy2UJAZBlKO1McyCbI6STCPPDhjmS_vh X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I have heard from people in the Beaumont /Port Arthur area that CAM- D sidebands are as bad as Ibiquity sidebands in obliterating adjacents. Also - CAM-D is NOT compatible with the old Kahn system, it won't decode with a Sony SRF-A1. Idea - first one that might have a chance at working AND being compatible with analog transmission. Since the digital advocates are willing to live with self-jamming on the analog program content, provided its not too bad: Why not just go ahead and put the digital information there, right now, 30 dB down in level from the analog material. I can hear self jamming even on a GE SR-2, which definitely is NOT wideband, but it does have a tweeter for FM. The self jamming is about 30 dB down when it is perfectly tuned (just the high frequency stuff), and it gets worse rapidly if you are even a bit off channel. If they crammed all the digital stuff in a +/- 5 kHz bad under the analog audio, it wouldn't make hearing in on an analog radio any worse than it is right now with Ibiquity - and it would leave the adjacent stations completely intact. What's more, they could phase modulate to lessen the effects on the analog program material. Just some rambling thoughts. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Sep 11 05:47:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88650 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2005 12:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2005 12:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2005 12:47:45 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 05:47:23 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by BAY101-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:47:23 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20050910163318.5554.qmail@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 08:47:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2005 12:47:23.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4D64B10:01C5B6CE] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1670 WWL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=F-bdBKmN3uK2zkjWS3erAnEjAb1yF5JX2tPb2I5aZkH4JAGRLayBuruhDJnjEA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John P wrote: >that's what AM radio is all about - our last communications link in bad >times, and that's why all of us feel so strong about keeping analog AM >radio healthy! I agree! When times get real bad, even the most simple of radios, such as a home-brew crystal set or "Fox-Hole radio" can be used to get the news and info you need.Such simple radios just will not work on FM or HD-Radio signals. Perhaps Canada has the right idea, only allow certain formats on FM or AM. This way of you want to listen to your favorite style of music or news, you HAVE to listen to AM. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Sep 11 06:07:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67738 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2005 13:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2005 13:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2005 13:07:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 06:07:24 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.210 by BAY106-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:07:23 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:07:23 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2005 13:07:24.0450 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0883820:01C5B6D1] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1670 WWL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Kevin of Thonotosassa/Tampa wrote: Perhaps Canada has the right idea, only allow certain formats on FM=20 or AM. This way of you want to listen to your favorite style of music or=20 news, you HAVE to listen to AM. ______________________________________ Yes, maybe since the FCC has abdicated their obligations to the listeners ;= maybe the CRTC could fill the void! Seriously, it seems that their plans are more level headed and reasoned; pe= rhaps the FCC can re-focus and forefill it's obligations to the public; one= can only hope. I know analog radio was the way I got all the latest news as I drove home f= rom work,stunned 4 years ago today, on that fateful day. And even though there are those that think that stations only have minimal = public service obligations to their contour "a" coverage range; I'm sure th= ere are many people outside the WWL's contour "a" coverage map that are tha= nking WWL for their excellent coverage during the Katrina aftermath Someti= mes we have to think "outside the box" or "outside the coverage map". Donn in the Thonotosassa suburb of St Petersburg! :) ____________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter Sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 05:47:23 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1670 WWL John P wrote: >that's what AM radio is all about - our last communications link in bad=20 >times, and that's why all of us feel so strong about keeping analog AM=20 >radio healthy! I agree! When times get real bad, even the most simple of radios, such as a= =20 home-brew crystal set or "Fox-Hole radio" can be used to get the news and=20 info you need.Such simple radios just will not work on FM or HD-Radio=20 signals. Perhaps Canada has the right idea, only allow certain formats on F= M=20 or AM. This way of you want to listen to your favorite style of music or=20 news, you HAVE to listen to AM. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical=20 standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Sep 11 08:21:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18014 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2005 15:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2005 15:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.17) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2005 15:21:34 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 08:21:24 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:21:23 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <002301c5ab52$1f8b0680$d503fea9@stodd> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:21:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2005 15:21:24.0045 (UTC) FILETIME=[78810FD0:01C5B6E4] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.17 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: 9/11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=n-1Mp2pbx2xI_ca1vmRSExvJ_i0UG2JYT3NaoaA5usYkbpt-iJ2r X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Let us pause to remember all the souls who left this world 4 years ago today. I can still remember the awful pictures and sounds. Let us also remember the fine radio folks at WWL who soldier on to keep that lifeline up during the awful crisis that was and still exists in New Orleans. Michael From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Sep 11 14:01:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96969 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2005 21:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2005 21:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2005 21:01:54 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.28]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 9378245 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:01:53 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c5b714$28e74040$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20050910163318.5554.qmail@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:02:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 26, in=131, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.28 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1670 WWL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=geK1TumkHD00XwfiqwEo3CzxSsmIWV4OPhxp_ru5JfxiLCqnyc1Z X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude And if intelligence reports are true that Al Qaida is planning on detonating nukes in 10 US cities come this Ramadan (early Oct-early Nov.), we'll need it more than ever. Here's to hoping those plans are foiled. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > After reading Don's article about WWL radio, it was like the quiet at the end > of Linus telling Charlie Brown "That's what Christmas is all about" - as that's > what AM radio is all about - our last communications link in bad times, and > that's why all of us feel so strong about keeping analog AM radio healthy! > From tomray@wor710.com Mon Sep 12 09:30:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24706 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2005 16:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2005 16:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2005 16:30:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2005 16:30:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2005 16:30:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:29:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050909195059.2705.qmail@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 750 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=zleqW6lx-6hLcTsIftOjznom60mJkcqDaiZVmuJFE5XtFFuY X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > > does anyone know how CAM-D works? > > My guess from what I've read is that from about 50Hz to 8KHz it is is good 'ole > proven technology analog Kahn-Hazeltine ISB AM Stereo! Then, from 8KHz - 15KHz > it is mono digital audio that is decoded and added back to the stereo analog > portion for a full-range audio cocktail. Throw in some low speed data like > station ID, song title and artist, a little EAS, and you've got Leonard Kahn's > CAM-D. Yep. Same noisy AM signal....with a MONO 8-BIT digital signal to mix on top in the radio. Bet it sounds REEEEEEEEAAAAALLLLLLL good [tongue firmly in cheek while trying not to laugh out loud] :-( Tom Ray WOR From mtgc@hotmail.com Mon Sep 12 09:41:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72425 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2005 16:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2005 16:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.26) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2005 16:41:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:41:08 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:41:08 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mtgc@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:41:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2005 16:41:08.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6CF3160:01C5B7B8] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=HGqxoF7IS-8B-3aeg7GWeWDIb7DYaXHxFdTU7nVvfZ-m0hVk6TBd X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 I have to agree with Mr. Ray on this one. Sounds like a recipe for really bad audio. MTGC (Michael) >From: "Tom Ray" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D AM stereo >Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:29:59 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 >X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com >Received: from n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.42]) by >mc2-f35.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 12 Sep 2005 >09:30:48 -0700 >Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep >2005 16:30:05 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.31] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 >Sep 2005 16:30:04 -0000 >Received: (qmail 24706 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2005 16:30:01 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >12 Sep 2005 16:30:01 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by >mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2005 16:30:01 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep >2005 16:30:00 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 >Sep 2005 16:30:00 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jESq8MBf86fEco4fZLClWoHCSAMxMvP3NQ= >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; >d=yahoogroups.com;b=tlq/zl4/xjoZER4cOV4Z9FmRQ+eT8crvdz5x1ONaESk/ob1t4kFgA9ySuyyZRIsu5ObMws/8eeCS/KjFuHifHLcf+JDmSFzZMtG4vJX7+F3c9uJ/EZHImQEK+UEHrAhQ; >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 >X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 >X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray >Mailing-List: list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; contact >amstereoforum-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: >sentto-4085512-21661-1126542604-mtgc=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2005 16:30:48.0278 (UTC) >FILETIME=[54FE5760:01C5B7B7] > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." >wrote: > > > > > does anyone know how CAM-D works? > > > > My guess from what I've read is that from about 50Hz to 8KHz it is >is good 'ole > > proven technology analog Kahn-Hazeltine ISB AM Stereo! Then, from >8KHz - 15KHz > > it is mono digital audio that is decoded and added back to the >stereo analog > > portion for a full-range audio cocktail. Throw in some low speed >data like > > station ID, song title and artist, a little EAS, and you've got >Leonard Kahn's > > CAM-D. > > >Yep. Same noisy AM signal....with a MONO 8-BIT digital signal to mix >on top in the radio. > >Bet it sounds REEEEEEEEAAAAALLLLLLL good [tongue firmly in cheek while >trying not to laugh out loud] :-( > >Tom Ray >WOR > > > From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Mon Sep 12 12:31:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19982 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2005 19:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2005 19:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2005 19:31:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2005 19:30:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2005 19:30:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:30:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2751 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.247.222.89 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1670 WWL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=P1da-cUhB5wUxcwm86BHlP-qGJ7TBfkSsZhjVNkt3a84ks1CWFEV X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Right on Kevin, I grew up in Central Massachusetts but, now make my home in far northern Vermont. I think it's nasty that the FCC allowed some satellite barker channel on at the 96.1 FM setting in Newport. It is now blocking out the only live and local station in the entire state. Thank heaven I can hear the AM side at 550 at least in the daytime. More to the point, whether being here... or on vacation in Eastern Maine in all four seasons of the year I still listen to WBZ Boston. Bob Welch WDEV Waterbury, VT --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" wrote: > Kevin of Thonotosassa/Tampa wrote: > > Perhaps Canada has the right idea, only allow certain formats on FM > or AM. This way of you want to listen to your favorite style of music or > news, you HAVE to listen to AM. > ______________________________________ > Yes, maybe since the FCC has abdicated their obligations to the listeners ; maybe the CRTC could fill the void! > > Seriously, it seems that their plans are more level headed and reasoned; perhaps the FCC can re-focus and forefill it's obligations to the public; one can only hope. > > I know analog radio was the way I got all the latest news as I drove home from work,stunned 4 years ago today, on that fateful day. > > And even though there are those that think that stations only have minimal public service obligations to their contour "a" coverage range; I'm sure there are many people outside the WWL's contour "a" coverage map that are thanking WWL for their excellent coverage during the Katrina aftermath Sometimes we have to think "outside the box" or "outside the coverage map". > > Donn > in the Thonotosassa suburb of St Petersburg! :) > ____________________________________ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Possum Hunter > Sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 05:47:23 -0700 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1670 WWL > > John P wrote: > >that's what AM radio is all about - our last communications link in bad > >times, and that's why all of us feel so strong about keeping analog AM > >radio healthy! > > I agree! When times get real bad, even the most simple of radios, such as a > home-brew crystal set or "Fox-Hole radio" can be used to get the news and > info you need.Such simple radios just will not work on FM or HD- Radio > signals. Perhaps Canada has the right idea, only allow certain formats on FM > or AM. This way of you want to listen to your favorite style of music or > news, you HAVE to listen to AM. > > Kevin in Tampa > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Sep 12 18:55:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92854 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 01:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 01:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 01:55:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:55:29 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by BAY101-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:55:28 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:50:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2005 01:55:29.0225 (UTC) FILETIME=[379C9390:01C5B806] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=tvVU8PPpLunKiaNR_6eLkqatZrDd5UHd0r-dNlF7gBY1vXrWzzz1UZ1BkQ7nDg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > Bet it sounds REEEEEEEEAAAAALLLLLLL good [tongue firmly in cheek while > trying not to laugh out loud] :-( Yes, about as good as 5Khz audio surrounded by digital hash.... With all of the PowerSide stations that could be broadcasting in High Fidelity ISB Stereo "just by flicking a switch", the FCC should go back to allowing both ISB and C-QUAM Stereo. Either system certainly sounds better than HD Radio. I have yet to hear CAM-D in action, so I can't say much about it yet. WFLA sure sounds like s**t, even on a HD radio (Kenwood KTC-HR100MC connected to a Kenwood KDC-MP4028). At first when it blends to digital from the analog, you say "KEWL!"...but then the grating, tinny sound of the treble makes you hit the "Seek" button. WPOI-FM doesn't sound much better. You get listener fatigue very quickly listening to HD-Radio. The FM analog signal is just plain NASTY on a reference grade tuner (Magnum Dynalabs FT-101), a "Typical" home tuner (SONY DAV-FX100W Dream System) and "Typical" car radio (SONY CDX-F5510) Both of these SONY radios and my Grundig YB-400PE (Typical portable world-band radio) has hiss on the Medium Wave HD-Radio signals. All of my radios stop on the HD-Radio digital sidebands when in the Seek mode. My listening is well within the 60dBu contour of WPOI-FM and within the 2.5 mV/m contour of WFLA. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 12 18:59:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46363 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 01:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 01:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 01:59:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 01:59:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 01:59:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:59:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 370 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.82.3 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=KPyto9d94eyCKdO9Grjw2iu496Un_xVBPLmkcuKEzlKjczVD-g X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Yep. Same noisy AM signal....with a MONO 8-BIT digital signal to > mix on top in the radio. > > Bet it sounds REEEEEEEEAAAAALLLLLLL good [tongue firmly in cheek > while trying not to laugh out loud] :-( iBiquity's "near-FM-quality" PAC codec for AM IBOC did not provide any stereo separation below 400 Hz or above 4 kHz, so CAM-D surpasses that by quite a bit. From droland66@yahoo.com Tue Sep 13 08:00:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91955 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 15:00:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 15:00:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 15:00:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 15:00:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 15:00:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:00:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1067 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.99.185.241 From: "david roland" Subject: Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=pzRif4PdKkQZhgH4mulnDXUUHJZZ5pwI-Uojrvo0pSJWZlox X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 i know this is hindsight, but why didn't the FCC just aurthorize a new set of frequencies for the AM broadcasters to simulcast a high quality 20 kHz digital signal along with the traditional analog signal? the radios could have been made to sync the two services to the correct frequency and switch out if necessary. heck, to keep things fair, the same could have been done with FM. this way, traditional AM radio broadcasts could be eliminated after about 10-15 years. there is no excuse to be having all of these technological problems in an era where dvd players can be purchased for $29. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Yep. Same noisy AM signal....with a MONO 8-BIT digital signal to > > mix on top in the radio. > > > > Bet it sounds REEEEEEEEAAAAALLLLLLL good [tongue firmly in cheek > > while trying not to laugh out loud] :-( > > iBiquity's "near-FM-quality" PAC codec for AM IBOC did not provide > any stereo separation below 400 Hz or above 4 kHz, so CAM-D surpasses > that by quite a bit. From tomray@wor710.com Tue Sep 13 09:27:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43947 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 16:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 16:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 16:27:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 16:27:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 16:27:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 16:27:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:27:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 947 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=9AcmeVa8BPxX4E679tLTx7OPxUiWCHhb-y_Uovbe3obqteEK X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > WFLA sure sounds like s**t, even on a HD radio (Kenwood KTC-HR100MC > connected to a Kenwood KDC-MP4028). At first when it blends to digital from > the analog, you say "KEWL!"...but then the grating, tinny sound of the > treble makes you hit the "Seek" button. WPOI-FM doesn't sound much >better. Sounds like they may be using stock processor settings....or, they have the high end cranked up too high. If they don't have a radio (just an assumption) they won't know this. Most of the FM's here in NYC that are HD sound very good. With the exception of one whose call letters I won't post. They sound like they're running a standard FM Stereo processor...with the pre-emphasis turned on. Very tinny, very distorted high end. Unfortunately, unless the local station pays close attention to the processing, you can't judge the medium. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Sep 13 09:29:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49353 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 16:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 16:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 16:29:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 16:29:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 16:29:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:29:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 582 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=Rgpv2GMHeZUWnG0dUyVRauz90TX5uDi_S1P1g0a0gFW7R6wb X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "david roland" wrote: > i know this is hindsight, but why didn't the FCC just aurthorize a new > set of frequencies for the AM broadcasters to simulcast a high quality > 20 kHz digital signal along with the traditional analog signal? the > radios could have been made to sync the two services to the correct > frequency and switch out if necessary. heck, to keep things fair, the > same could have been done with FM. Because what you propose is logical, and we're dealing with the government here..... Tom Ray WOR From mrcomment@yahoo.com Tue Sep 13 10:14:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75274 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 17:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 17:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 17:14:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 17:13:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 17:13:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 17:13:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:13:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 928 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.170.193.198 From: "mrcomment" Subject: Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338; y=9LYMp_zuo8YBtgxBKN8iG_sHzKF2bVe42tkdePvd8wgPx5sx X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "david roland" > wrote: > > i know this is hindsight, but why didn't the FCC just aurthorize a new > > set of frequencies for the AM broadcasters to simulcast a high quality > > 20 kHz digital signal along with the traditional analog signal? the > > radios could have been made to sync the two services to the correct > > frequency and switch out if necessary. heck, to keep things fair, the > > same could have been done with FM. > > > Because what you propose is logical, and we're dealing with the > government here..... > > Tom Ray > WOR B*llsh*t. It was strong broadcaster lobbying from folks like the owners of WOR, acting through the NAB and others advocacy groups, that stopped a new frequency allocation. Whether or not that was a prescient decision remains to be seen. From rbrucecarter@yahoo.com Tue Sep 13 11:00:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rbrucecarter@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68738 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 18:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 18:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 18:00:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 17:58:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 17:58:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:58:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 507 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.91.75.30 From: "Bruce Carter" Subject: So nighttime skywave reception is obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116052011; y=ieQN8IMYWFqPv1VZhD92yH65mV3_QgGqeAFRFHNFLpRSM7MNpU1H X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter Try telling that to hurricane Katrina refugees across the country who tune into WWL for information. Now, I suppose, would be a good time for WCBS and KRVN to turn on nighttime IBOC and obliterate WWL - adding to the misery of the refugees. It might actually give WCBS and KRVN a miniscule ratings boost in their home towns. That is much more important than the skywave service to Katrina refugees. After all, they are poor and mostly African American. Ibiquity's profit is much more important. From starship_2001@msn.com Tue Sep 13 11:35:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36977 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 18:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 18:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 18:35:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:35:22 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.206 by BAY106-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:35:21 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:35:21 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2005 18:35:22.0196 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6357940:01C5B891] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} So nighttime skywave reception is obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=-oCsI4CnBZv2AQ1sMkj_29XCxTjKB5F6kTTTTquwcr3H90hdFiMmlFsTVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 There are MANY large parts of the country that have NO local AM stations in= range. These areas actully still depend on skywave for news ETC . I curren= tly can receive most of the NY market AM stations even during the day What = good is HD if it's only good for local ???? Its nice to able to step out in= to the driveway and tune in NY and get traffic and weather and stay tuned a= ll the way thru the 200 mile trip. I don't even have a good AM news station= in my market i use WCBS for news which i can hear all day and night. Why n= ot just set aside a section of the AM band for stations that want to go dig= ital / local only like maybe the graveyard channels for example and and lea= ve a section for those that want to cover large areas.=20=20 -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Carter Sent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:58:19 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} So nighttime skywave reception is obsolete? Try telling that to hurricane Katrina refugees across the country who=20 tune into WWL for information. Now, I suppose, would be a good time for WCBS and KRVN to turn on=20 nighttime IBOC and obliterate WWL - adding to the misery of the=20 refugees. It might actually give WCBS and KRVN a miniscule ratings=20 boost in their home towns. That is much more important than the=20 skywave service to Katrina refugees. After all, they are poor and=20 mostly African American. Ibiquity's profit is much more important. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Yahoo! Groups Links From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Sep 13 19:03:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5370 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 02:03:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 02:03:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.75) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 02:03:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:03:05 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by BAY101-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 02:03:05 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:49:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2005 02:03:05.0681 (UTC) FILETIME=[7217FC10:01C5B8D0] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.75 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=XhsYWOM6JyIZefEzE96ij5TIFCsuogHsJILv5BL7l6fs1w63X36PRQGGVDSUBA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > Most of the FM's here in NYC that are HD sound very good. Well, I will admit that most the of radio stations in Tampa sound anywhere from bad to unlistenable. The one shining good example of how a station should sound is Infinity's WSJT-FM. Somebody at Infinity must have been reading when I griped about how bad the station sounded when I first moved here...and fixed it! Now it sounds as good as any FM I have ever heard. In fact the audio is addicting to listen to...you just CAN'T tune-out! The HD signal makes it much harder to tune a manual tuner. My GE Superadio III's AFC wants to lock onto the digital sidebands intead of the analog signal. I have also noticed this on the cheap radios they install in RVs. > > With the exception of one whose call letters I won't post. They sound > like they're running a standard FM Stereo processor...with the > pre-emphasis turned on. Very tinny, very distorted high end. You shouldn't need much processing at all on the digital signal. All you should need is something to ride the gain like a CRL SGC-800, unless you get into a loudness war on HD. The most processing you would want on the digital signal, like for an Urban format, would be a pair of DAP-310s Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Sep 13 19:47:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15803 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 02:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 02:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.241.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 02:47:31 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050914024731.ZIAU3588.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:47:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:47:28 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=gMYv59nHbCl5XRy1wJG1lyIrD2ITIVTgVEkl8gBVDUE6ToFIvAuM5t0Vu-v0 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Is that as you are tuning or after tuning? AFC should be off when tuning and turned on after you are done. (This, of course dates me somewhat. I seem to recall that being part of the instructions for the Citation III tuner from Harman Kardon). Richard On Sep 13, 2005, at 6:49 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > AFC wants to lock onto the digital sidebands intead of the analog > signal. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 14 01:48:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44662 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 08:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 08:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 08:48:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 08:44:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 08:44:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:44:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 530 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.74.1 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=zHSHIFI3HcG1bspRPO7WGj5LbC5jlVLS1--RWpCTrwYUe7uGug X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Most of the FM's here in NYC that are HD sound very good. Compared to their grunge-o-matic analog audio, that's probably true. But compared to analog audio processed with more of a priority on quality than on ultimate loudness (i.e. WQXR or WNYC-FM), it all depends on how transparent the AAC codec is to your ears. Even at 96 kbps, I find its artifacts to be very obvious and very annoying, but alas, today's raised-on-MP3 generation doesn't seem to mind digital codec artifacts, because they've never known any better. From tomray@wor710.com Wed Sep 14 12:04:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31550 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 19:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 19:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 19:04:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 19:03:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 19:03:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:03:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 506 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} So nighttime skywave reception is obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=B63YNeRPleDabog7NL0jkOD5j4aVFdiHKFp__q6wxjMv_znU X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26" wrote: > There are MANY large parts of the country that have NO local AM stations in range. These areas actully still depend on skywave for news ETC . I currently can receive most of the NY market AM stations even during the day What good is HD if it's only good for local ???? Read the FCC regulations. They all refer to local programming and serving the local area. Nothing regarding serving a skywave audience. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Wed Sep 14 12:04:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34386 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 19:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 19:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 19:04:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 19:02:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 19:02:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:02:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1088 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: So nighttime skywave reception is obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=VWGjp47jz2J4PYEtpdhnbLIb9r4MqPUSBjT9Mo74GKN_rJfO X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" wrote: > Try telling that to hurricane Katrina refugees across the country who > tune into WWL for information. > > Now, I suppose, would be a good time for WCBS and KRVN to turn on > nighttime IBOC and obliterate WWL - adding to the misery of the > refugees. It might actually give WCBS and KRVN a miniscule ratings > boost in their home towns. That is much more important than the > skywave service to Katrina refugees. After all, they are poor and > mostly African American. Ibiquity's profit is much more important. How about the refugees, being where they are in shelters and in the care of organizations such as the Red Cross, check out their information on news television or gaining access to wwl.com's stream, rather than relying on unpredictable skywave coverage. They have many other ways available to them now than they had before or during the storm. And if they are safe, what information regarding the immediate area could they possibly get that they aren't getting now? Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Wed Sep 14 12:06:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18607 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 19:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 19:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 19:06:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 19:06:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 19:06:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 19:06:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:06:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 647 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=cxc1Dioe5nBWLJJmZiR4Z4EQHLEdS-QFD1BfycTkPa4xLiN4 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > You shouldn't need much processing at all on the digital signal. All you > should need is something to ride the gain like a CRL SGC-800, unless you get > into a loudness war on HD. The most processing you would want on the digital > signal, like for an Urban format, would be a pair of DAP-310s > Agreed that the digital signal doesn't need much processing....until, of course, the PD's get ahold of things. But I would use more modern, cleaner boxes that have certain processing functions in place to work well with data reduced codecs. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Wed Sep 14 12:15:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71816 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 19:15:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 19:15:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 19:15:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 19:14:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 19:14:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:14:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1234 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.244.193 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=2iRp3-JkB1cem2fgymKsWmSOi5phtNP2IdNciL5AKzUdPSB0 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "mrcomment" wrote: > > B*llsh*t. It was strong broadcaster lobbying from folks like the > owners of WOR, acting through the NAB and others advocacy groups, > that stopped a new frequency allocation. Whether or not that was a > prescient decision remains to be seen. Well let's see....your statement is blantantly false, as Buckley Radio has never lobbied against a new frequency allocation. Nor do I believe was this lobbied by the NAB. Seems to me this item was not even an option from the FCC. I love you and folks that compare the US to Europe or HD Radio to the HDTV rollout. Different considerations for all involved, my man. HD is something that has been in the works over 10 years. The FCC had plenty of time to stop its development or propose we move to another band. As a matter of fact, when Eureka 147 was being discussed, the FCC wanted to create allocations in a portion of the L band to be compatible with other countries, but the Air Force raised such cain over the fact that they did not want to relocate their services that the FCC backed down. Think before thou speaketh, and know thy facts before accusing someone of something. Tom Ray WOR From droland66@yahoo.com Wed Sep 14 12:22:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87730 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 19:22:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 19:22:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 19:22:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 19:20:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 19:20:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 19:20:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:20:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1013 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.99.185.241 From: "david roland" Subject: Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=4RbDmpS627-4YOD9oEAbcMh66_15t73S5rYYjiiYAePSI68f X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 i agree with you 100%, Kevin. I always wanted someone to come out with an analog laser driven dics (similar to the old analog audio tracks on the laser discs) with a superb noise reduction like Dolby- S. IMHO, with today's lasers, it would be very easy to get analog audio onto a 5" standard CD that sound as good as the best vinyl ever produced and far better than SACD or DVD-A. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Most of the FM's here in NYC that are HD sound very good. > > Compared to their grunge-o-matic analog audio, that's probably true. > But compared to analog audio processed with more of a priority on > quality than on ultimate loudness (i.e. WQXR or WNYC-FM), it all > depends on how transparent the AAC codec is to your ears. Even at > 96 kbps, I find its artifacts to be very obvious and very annoying, > but alas, today's raised-on-MP3 generation doesn't seem to mind > digital codec artifacts, because they've never known any better. From jimsmith@vfr.net Wed Sep 14 15:58:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15612 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 22:58:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 22:58:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 22:58:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 22:58:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 22:58:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:58:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1377 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.105.83.24 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: So nighttime skywave reception is obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=PGQRFL8t5mw8Cr4qRh9kfPtmhrOm-6H5KeZC6BtVjkRveggDM22yGg X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Carter" > wrote: > > Try telling that to hurricane Katrina refugees across the country who > > tune into WWL for information. > > > > Now, I suppose, would be a good time for WCBS and KRVN to turn on > > nighttime IBOC and obliterate WWL - adding to the misery of the > > refugees. It might actually give WCBS and KRVN a miniscule ratings > > boost in their home towns. That is much more important than the > > skywave service to Katrina refugees. After all, they are poor and > > mostly African American. Ibiquity's profit is much more important. > > How about the refugees, being where they are in shelters and in the > care of organizations such as the Red Cross, check out their > information on news television or gaining access to wwl.com's stream, > rather than relying on unpredictable skywave coverage. They have many > other ways available to them now than they had before or during the > storm. And if they are safe, what information regarding the immediate > area could they possibly get that they aren't getting now? > > > Tom Ray > WOR Hi Tom Most people from LA and Miss. are damb lucky to have a battery powered radio for there own use so thay can hear whats happening by them selfs. Jim Smith From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Sep 14 16:15:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1658 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 23:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 23:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.169) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 23:15:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 55347 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2005 23:15:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20050914231539.55345.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.138] by web52406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:15:39 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:15:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: So nighttime skywave reception is obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=5UtTdPg-iXkmgoUUzOIKwN8nCccjLr5VO7zirenQ9jo X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > How about the refugees, being where they are in > shelters and in the > care of organizations such as the Red Cross, check > out their > information on news television or gaining access to > wwl.com's stream, > rather than relying on unpredictable skywave > coverage. Not very likely getting much TV in shelters. Forget internet. Close to disaster shelters certainly won't and most of those TV stations weren't even on. > They have many > other ways available to them now than they had > before or during the > storm. And if they are safe, what information > regarding the immediate > area could they possibly get that they aren't > getting now? > Tom Ray > WOR NOT! Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Sep 14 16:42:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81623 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 23:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 23:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 23:42:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:42:37 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by BAY101-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:42:37 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:34:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2005 23:42:37.0519 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCEE45F0:01C5B985] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=YsKuinjFOIfAYNWvnpZBWJc34D7minJ-mb97Leg_OpvlzwF5mtoYmEyLRzUlog X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard Wagoner wrote: > Is that as you are tuning or after tuning? AFC should be off when tuning and turned on after you are done. Yup, turn off the AFC, tune the radio to the analog signal between the digital hash bands, and turn on the AFC, then SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Oh well, it doesn't matter. I gave up on Tampa Bay area radio a while back and listen to Sirius Jazz Cafe or Sirius Chill via the DVB feed on Echostar 7. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 14 16:46:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12437 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 23:46:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 23:46:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.162) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 23:46:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 86111 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2005 23:46:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20050914234608.86109.qmail@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.162.222.143] by web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:46:08 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:46:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1126732458.633.16815.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: OT Analog with Laser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=FHvKBX02i727Nt77d_QYC8T3U-OOctBOeba7JosDgSZRodsm3p-5-kQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio ,,, I always wanted someone to come out with an analog laser driven dics (similar to the old analog audio tracks on the laser discs) with a superb noise reduction like Dolby- S. IMHO, with today's lasers, it would be very easy to get analog audio onto a 5" standard CD that sound as good as the best vinyl ever produced and far better than SACD or DVD-A. > > This would be a logical combination of the best of two worlds. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't somebody just develop a turntable that could play LP's read by a laser tonearm rather than a stylus? Wouldn't that be great to play a record without wear, lasers read the analog walls of the disc and amplify it, keeping it in the analog mode? If you think about it, that could have even offered an analog laser-read turntable, plus, then you could read a quad 'digital' record, complete with hills and valleys ones and zeroes L channel = front, R channel = rear information?!? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Sep 14 17:13:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93105 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 00:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2005 00:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.87) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 00:13:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:13:22 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by BAY101-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 00:13:22 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20050914231539.55345.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:09:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2005 00:13:22.0852 (UTC) FILETIME=[48D5BE40:01C5B98A] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: So nighttime skywave reception is obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=YVj0CmZun6ujpZp9QyG5FfyMk1tLjXiQYuPQC2WappAcxHuLqSyGo5ARuV0KGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: >How about the refugees, being where they are in shelters and in the care of >organizations such as the Red Cross, check out their information on news >television or gaining access to wwl.com's stream, rather than relying on >unpredictable skywave coverage. Here in the Bay area, The hurricane victims are doing good to have access to a radio. While WWL's signal has plenty of QRM from Cuba, it can be heard on any $5 transistor radio, and gives lots of comfort to homesick and stranded people. When it all boils down, isn't that was radio was made for? The bottom line is night time Skywave reception of the Clears is vital to national security. I like the idea of moving the stations that only want to serve their local markets with HD Radio to the Class C "Graveyard" channels and putting stations on the clears who are interested serving most of North America at night. While we are at it, let's crank up the old "Super-Power" signals as well as the "Border Blasters". I used to enjoy listening to "The X"! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Sep 14 17:27:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10681 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 00:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2005 00:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 00:27:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:27:24 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by BAY101-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 00:27:24 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:18:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2005 00:27:24.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[3ECA1C00:01C5B98C] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.75 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=FiLSQB6VyvEzaMV4WOBg-O6EIsMJCg4gAu1wGdUPWotRQf1kZmEo2bXOwoPjVA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > Agreed that the digital signal doesn't need much processing....until, of > course, the PD's get ahold of things. The way I solved that problem at a station I engineered for was simple: In the rack I had a CRL "AM-4" chain set up for the PD to twist the knobs and watch the blinking lights, all while the Optimod 9100A/2 locked up in the shop supply cabinet was actually driving the transmitter! LOL Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 14 18:37:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53063 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 01:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2005 01:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 01:37:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2005 01:37:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2005 01:37:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 01:36:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050914234608.86109.qmail@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 503 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.27.27 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: OT Analog with Laser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=X_N9mfOeFojHpAiyHDD1F9WWabEwf9kAhiR60yyeY75-Rott X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > This would be a logical combination of the best of two worlds. Correct me if > I'm wrong, but didn't somebody just develop a turntable that could play LP's > read by a laser tonearm rather than a stylus? Wouldn't that be great to play a > record without wear, lasers read the analog walls of the disc and amplify it, > keeping it in the analog mode? Such a turntable was marketed around '84-'85. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 14 19:06:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34867 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 02:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2005 02:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 02:06:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2005 02:06:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2005 02:06:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 02:06:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2040 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.27.27 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: So nighttime skywave reception is obsolete? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=o1MTwy28cwt8ipet44_NvzLvXJhSxsl9UNUOwD2WQz6TK32f X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Mr. Ray's comments demonstrate the complacancy of many urbanites and suburbanites used to their creature comforts, that they can't really understand what it's like to be without them. In much of the Katrina-hit region along the Gulf Coast and further up inland, power was lost. Phones were lost. Antenna towers were knocked down, swept away or destroyed. This meant landline phones were gone- No dialup/DSL internet access. Cable companies met the same fate. This meant there were no cellphone service- Imagine the shock of many New Orleanians when they switched on their phones and got no service at all! Most radio stations were knocked offline- Only one major powerhouse was there to cover the entire affected region-- WWL. And it almost didn't make it! Thank goodness it was a radio station that could be received on ane el-cheapo radio you can buy at a Walgreens, rather than one that only worked on a $300+ radio that would only be found in a now-submerged SUV! You want digital radio? Sure, go ahead- But not at the expense of an already-existing radio service that actually WORKS in situations like this. Give digital-only broadcasting its own chunk of airwaves, because it's useless on the existing AM and FM bands! WWL would not have worked out as it did if it was saddled with what the NAB and iBiquity wanted to force all broadcasters, via the FCC, to have. It's a technology with no real advantages, that serves very few, and doesn't operate transparently. What happened in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama was the complete failure of advanced technology, and where a trusted technology has withstood time and the elements to actually do something that the whol;e industry had been getting away from: Serving the (extended) community. And for what it's worth, WWL never HAD a live internet stream until 2- 3 days after Katrina, when they evacuated to Baton Rouge. They're now glad they do, along with a simulcast on, of all things, SHORTWAVE! So much for creature comforfts! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kya1260@lycos.com Wed Sep 14 20:49:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37516 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 03:49:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2005 03:49:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 03:49:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id D7DD218001AD for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 03:48:24 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 15 Sep 2005 03:48:24 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B1219E5BC7; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 03:48:24 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:48:24 -0800 Received: from [69.226.192.126] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:48:24 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050915034824.B1219E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT Analog with Laser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=yFnMQCc1pyx-vm1To1XVoeJIQFCRw-Khi5GhlH-YPwiJFXjRlw X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Regards the laser turntable, Amy sez: > Such a turntable was marketed around '84-'85. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Amy/John, I remember reading about that TT in a 1989=20 or 1990 Radio World magazine. It was the Finnial TT=20 from Sunnyvale, Calif., and it cost something like 30,000 dollars US.=20 Had 10,000-hours of laser life. The vinyl record was inserted through the front of the unit, or so it appeared. And the laser beam could=20 "ride over" any man-made gouges in the vinyl, so that it read just the grooves of the record. No skips,=20 as Finnial claimed... Easy push-button controls; a digital readout showed what "track" the LP was playing next (the beam would see the=20 runout grooves between each LP track), thus operating much=20 like a compact disc player (or so the company claimed). A very sleek-looking player! Alas, making only $21,000/year, I could not afford such luxury...I still think "what if," though... In 1997, last I heard some Japanese company purchased Finnial, but in doing a "Google," I cannot locate that company nor much on Finnial. Somewhere in my stack of papers, I have that Radio World article. I will send=20 a JPG of it when it's found... --jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Analog with Laser Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 01:36:59 -0000 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: >=20 > > This would be a logical combination of the best of two worlds. > Correct me if > > I'm wrong, but didn't somebody just develop a turntable that could > play LP's > > read by a laser tonearm rather than a stylus? Wouldn't that be great > to play a > > record without wear, lasers read the analog walls of the disc and > amplify it, > > keeping it in the analog mode? >=20 > Such a turntable was marketed around '84-'85. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From kya1260@lycos.com Wed Sep 14 20:56:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59158 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 03:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2005 03:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 03:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 4435B18001A8 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 03:54:51 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 15 Sep 2005 03:54:51 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3969386B11; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 03:54:51 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:54:51 -0800 Received: from [69.226.192.126] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:54:51 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050915035451.3969386B11@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT Analog with Laser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=JRh-T2vM7jpNjimfd6CJ_lL4olsi5Arb65NTCmwpGW0ASxs26A X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Found a somewhat similar Laser Turntable picture on eBay using the words "laser turntable" It's only the MANUAL for it, but you get an idea of what the laser turnatble looks like, or a prototype of one... Slightly different in appearance than the one I remember from Finnial... --jay http://cgi.ebay.com/LASER-TURNTABLE-32pg-MANUAL-DEMO-2-CD-Set-500Coupon_W0Q= QitemZ5807608498QQcategoryZ3283QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Analog with Laser Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 01:36:59 -0000 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: >=20 > > This would be a logical combination of the best of two worlds. > Correct me if > > I'm wrong, but didn't somebody just develop a turntable that could > play LP's > > read by a laser tonearm rather than a stylus? Wouldn't that be great > to play a > > record without wear, lasers read the analog walls of the disc and > amplify it, > > keeping it in the analog mode? >=20 > Such a turntable was marketed around '84-'85. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Sep 14 23:56:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97117 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 06:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2005 06:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao04.cox.net) (68.230.241.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 06:56:06 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050915065454.UCKG8185.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 02:54:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <38B31C9F-A918-4A30-B53E-43B9898298E6@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:54:53 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=iHotPQ34_J9B2k5b3RO-XlcaG-HnKVxuQTXRe1lR3Db9xMAoLCcc5FTaFAsF X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I've been covering this in my radio column for years. The radio groups, including the NAB, most certainly did lobby against a separate digital band, and pushed very much for IBOC instead. I remember it quite clearly; at the time I thought it was a good idea. That was when I still liked local radio. Now I don't give a damn. I so rarely listen to traditional radio unless I have to that I don't care if HD Radio works or not. The programming on both AM and FM is horrendous. Richard On Sep 14, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Tom Ray wrote: > Nor do I > believe was this lobbied by the NAB. Seems to me this item was not > even an option from the FCC. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 15 00:00:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28003 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 07:00:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2005 07:00:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 07:00:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2005 06:59:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2005 06:59:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:59:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 933 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.72.4 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=uIBFO-6adic7KiZXkJOzPrbKI3zO_E7k0qrVxCvU3GgnJFFM9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > i agree with you 100%, Kevin. I always wanted someone to come out > with an analog laser driven dics (similar to the old analog audio > tracks on the laser discs) with a superb noise reduction like > Dolby-S. IMHO, with today's lasers, it would be very easy to get > analog audio onto a 5" standard CD that sound as good as the best > vinyl ever produced and far better than SACD or DVD-A. You don't even need a laser. Just take an LP, and put it in a sealed container (like the caddies that very old CD-ROM drives used to use) and play it a microprocessor-controlled stylus. That gives you the benefits of vinyl but eliminates the problems of dust, fingerprints, and scratches. An audio-only counterpart to RCA's CED (Capacitance Electronic Disc) stylus-based analog video-disc system would've been an interesting competitor to the CD in the '80s. (For more info on CED, try this site: http://www.cedmagic.com ) From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Sep 15 00:00:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46135 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 07:00:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2005 07:00:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao02.cox.net) (68.230.241.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 07:00:35 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.225.13.76]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050915070021.CIRC7185.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 03:00:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <48345DB2-9B2D-4E8C-A8AB-AAD261E97055@cox.net> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 00:00:21 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=EJsbfDuNbKCp3en9g75I0ceRL4aTYE_Udmru2dikZtfm1xr2Qtrvr6elH9IJ X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll have to try it on mine. I so rarely listen to AM or FM that it will take some time to test. (Programmers and owners please note: the longer you work on HD instead of programming, the fewer people will even care). On Sep 14, 2005, at 4:34 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > Richard Wagoner wrote: > > Is that as you are tuning or after tuning? AFC should be off when > tuning and turned on after you are done. > > Yup, turn off the AFC, tune the radio to the analog signal between > the digital hash bands, and turn on the AFC, then SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! > > Oh well, it doesn't matter. I gave up on Tampa Bay area radio a > while back and listen to Sirius Jazz Cafe or Sirius Chill via the > DVB feed on Echostar 7. > > Kevin in Tampa > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a > mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than > FM. - Leonard Kahn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Digital radio Stereo speaker Stereo microphone > Stereo cabinets Stereo turn table Stereo headphones > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Thu Sep 15 03:41:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69280 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 10:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2005 10:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 10:41:13 -0000 Received: from [4.247.122.143] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EFrAs-0008Ac-ER for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:41:03 -0400 Message-ID: <410-220059415104111796@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.21.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:41:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc59ffcec852e4d0a1dd7c8b6a2c16ec74350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 I agree that the programming is horrendous. I now carry a stack of CDs with me in the car, and don't listen to radio any more. Likewise in the house. Dick W. > Richard Wagoner said: > That was when I still liked local radio. Now I don't give a damn. I > so rarely listen to traditional radio unless I have to that I don't > care if HD Radio works or not. The programming on both AM and FM is > horrendous. > From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Sep 15 05:20:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52248 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 12:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2005 12:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 12:20:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2005 12:19:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2005 12:19:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2005 12:19:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:19:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050915034824.B1219E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1049 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.245.214.44 From: "narkspud" Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Analog with Laser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=3aLt5IW-F1qrpA2moZeyfuYqyOBJ3WzYiNy4IL8fkfY9DDw X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > Regards the laser turntable, Amy sez: > > Such a turntable was marketed around '84-'85. > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > Amy/John, I remember reading about that TT in a 1989 > or 1990 Radio World magazine. It was the Finnial TT > from Sunnyvale, Calif., and it cost something like > 30,000 dollars US. A recent (like, past couple of months) issue of Stereophile Magazine contained a review of just such a turntable, which has come down to $17,000. The Stereophile guy was, to say the least, underwhelmed. Microdust on the surface of the record comes out as a constant loud crackling even after vacuum cleaning the record, so the TT has to use an outboard crackle remover. The reviewer described the sound as flat, lifeless and unmusical, the same criticism I remember the laser TT getting when it was originally introduced. And it doesn't play colored vinyl at all. It's a nice idea, but there are much better "normal" turntables for $17,000. So he said, anyway. From droland66@yahoo.com Thu Sep 15 14:17:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32886 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 21:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2005 21:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 21:17:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2005 21:15:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2005 21:15:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2005 21:15:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:15:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2561 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.99.185.241 From: "david roland" Subject: Re: OT Analog with Laser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=OMg0uQ9q2BRLCl-BZkU-bR2wO8e9a8bhwP2la5MbSkb_nf9m X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 yeah, i know about the laser turntable. i wasn't really talking about LP's. i was talking about an analog CD format that works similarly to the analog audio tracks that were on the original LaserDisc format but on a standard CD sized disc. It could be hybrid with multiple layers like the hybrid SACD's so a digital CD layer could be included but it would be nice to have a new analog audiophile format in a compact laserbased disc format. i know digital offers more features but analog offers the closest approximation to the original analog waveform since no information has been lost. i believe that with modern technology, it would be much cheaper to manufacture an analog audiophile player that rivals the finest turntables in fidelity than it is to manufacture a perfect DAC. evidence is that audiophiles claim that even $20k CD players, DVD-audio, and SACD do no sound as good as the best vinyl ever produced when played back on far less expensive equipment. there seems to be something that gets lost in the A to D to A conversion chain that isn't when you start analog and keep it that way all the way through the chain. especially if you use the best available analog noise reduction/supression schemes. i know none of this really matters for radio broadcasts but i just wanted to throw the idea out there as i am surprised nobody has done it. coax --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > > Regards the laser turntable, Amy sez: > > > Such a turntable was marketed around '84-'85. > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > Amy/John, I remember reading about that TT in a 1989 > > or 1990 Radio World magazine. It was the Finnial TT > > from Sunnyvale, Calif., and it cost something like > > 30,000 dollars US. > > A recent (like, past couple of months) issue of Stereophile Magazine contained a review of > just such a turntable, which has come down to $17,000. The Stereophile guy was, to say > the least, underwhelmed. > > Microdust on the surface of the record comes out as a constant loud crackling even after > vacuum cleaning the record, so the TT has to use an outboard crackle remover. The > reviewer described the sound as flat, lifeless and unmusical, the same criticism I > remember the laser TT getting when it was originally introduced. > > And it doesn't play colored vinyl at all. It's a nice idea, but there are much better "normal" > turntables for $17,000. So he said, anyway. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 15 16:46:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25000 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 23:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2005 23:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 23:46:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2005 23:43:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2005 23:43:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:43:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 718 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.91.4 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: OT Analog with Laser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=PmI7BL6V-BfDC47uaAaZ7iaHDgMjKlzx9ghRAA3YjP0OBcopOw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > there seems to be something that gets lost in the A to D to A > conversion chain that isn't when you start analog and keep it that > way all the way through the chain. especially if you use the best > available analog noise reduction/supression schemes. VHS Hi-Fi Stereo video tape offers better audio frequency response than CD or even DVD audio, and all other specs are comparable to CD's -- in an analog format. However, VHS never took off as an audio format because of its bulky size. But it least proves that a true high-fidelity analog audio medium can be offered to consumers at an affordable price. Many radio stations which record their on-air audio for archival do so on audio-only VHS tape. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 15 19:10:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30580 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 02:10:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2005 02:10:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 02:10:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 02:10:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 02:10:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 02:10:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1370 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.5.56 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: OT Analog with Laser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=NdvRpc5oWPN2HXytFMxup_InUZBQwxK1I7ytbVHg4cffw89y X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Addressing two things: * Analog CD format: In order to put that much info on a disc, it would have to be mastered akin to a DVD, rather than a CD. Why? The analog method used on laserdiscs was FM video with FM audio subcarriers. Digital audio was superimposed on the FM baseband. However, anyone with experience with laserdiscs would say that while the format gave a superior performance, it was was hardly impervious to surface noise- Some as scratches, and some as deformations caused by oxidation as a result of glues used to bond disc sides together. And then there is a limitation of FM, which I'll get into next. * VHS HiFi recording: The only superiority that VHS HiFi recording ever offered was that there was no digital artifacting. Because of the limitations of FM (audio frequency deviation, nominal deviation, and proximity to interference of the twin FM carriers @ 1.6MHz baseband, as well as tracking/head-switching issues), it was not a perfect medium. Yes, it had a good dynamic range, and could exceed 100dB, but that was about it. I tried using VHS HiFi, and was never really satisfied- especially since I was always getting "buzzing" with higher-frequency audio. DVD audio actually has a superior range, being 24-bit (rather than 16- bit) audio, with sampling rates up to 96kHz (48kHz passband) in raw PCM mode. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 16 00:57:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18287 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 07:57:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2005 07:57:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 07:57:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 07:57:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 07:57:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:57:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 672 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.91.4 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Kahn AM Stereo exciter (& mod monitor?) on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=8fJx6w_HWmHfKpN0NjerHeUmYbs_kNYN9u0x8w07dbVh44mEpw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics You don't see one of these every day: http://cgi1.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5808921697 The top unit could be a full-fledged modulation monitor; I'm not quite sure. From the size of these boxes, though, I'd guess that this is an example of the first-generation Kahn AM Stereo architecture (STR-77), which is true ISB. When the second-generation Kahn system (STR-84, using phased ISB) was introduced, the hardware became quite a bit smaller. Anyway, this equipment is from 1260 WSHU in Westport, CT -- formerly WMMM, which was quite proud of its Kahn AM Stereo status in the '80s: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/ams-chal.gif From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 16 01:07:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43257 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 08:07:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2005 08:07:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 08:07:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 08:07:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 08:07:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 08:07:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:07:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 636 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.91.4 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: OT Analog with Laser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=6E-q6cEJ12S54sCrJOXyJpXlcf33yW_6fno9ns2_zS39YCx3Tg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I tried using VHS HiFi, and was never really satisfied- especially > since I was always getting "buzzing" with higher-frequency audio. With a good VCR and good tapes, VHS Hi-Fi is truly CD-quality sound, if not even better. However, if there are dropouts on the tape, then you'll start to get the annoying "buzzing chirps" in the audio, and when things get really bad, the Hi-Fi audio will cut out and it'll momentarily revert to low-fidelity linear mono VHS audio. Nonetheless, I have tapes where the video shows obvious "worn tape" blemishes, but yet the VHS Hi-Fi audio track plays flawlessly with no noises or drop-outs. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 16 02:35:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96222 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 09:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2005 09:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 09:35:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 09:35:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 09:35:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 09:35:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:35:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1112 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.4.105 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Kahn AM Stereo exciter (& mod monitor?) on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=hNc4Va2yeLN73Ja7yI7gWxGgJQ9T2Pl5S9RC2BraalwdjCVY X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > You don't see one of these every day: > > http://cgi1.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5808921697 > > The top unit could be a full-fledged modulation monitor; I'm not quite > sure. From the size of these boxes, though, I'd guess that this is an > example of the first-generation Kahn AM Stereo architecture (STR-77), > which is true ISB. When the second-generation Kahn system (STR-84, > using phased ISB) was introduced, the hardware became quite a bit > smaller. Kahn went to phased ISB by about 1958 or 1959-- Right after RCA had patented their own phased-ISB technique. (RCA patented about 4-5 different AM stereo techniques before settling on the AM-FM method, of which Belar would later revive and scuttle just as quickly.) I think the "second generation" is when Hazeltine made some modifications to Kahn's phased ISB design. I don't think anyone has used mechanical-filter-based ISB in 50 years. (That would be either bandpass filters or diode-split direct modulation of sidebands.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 16 02:46:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20261 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 09:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2005 09:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 09:46:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 09:46:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 09:46:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 09:46:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:46:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1555 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.4.105 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: OT Analog with Laser X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=kOn-5IJJp8isisVdKEGjOyTrl0SlcU5lger0_KrYsoGgsqOA X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I tried using VHS HiFi, and was never really satisfied- especially > > since I was always getting "buzzing" with higher-frequency audio. > > With a good VCR and good tapes, VHS Hi-Fi is truly CD-quality sound, > if not even better. However, if there are dropouts on the tape, then > you'll start to get the annoying "buzzing chirps" in the audio, and > when things get really bad, the Hi-Fi audio will cut out and it'll > momentarily revert to low-fidelity linear mono VHS audio. That was a problem, but I was referring to buzzing caused by the head- switching/Hi-Fi tracking system. It varied in degree with every Hi-Fi deck I have had over the last 20 years. > Nonetheless, I have tapes where the video shows obvious "worn tape" > blemishes, but yet the VHS Hi-Fi audio track plays flawlessly with > no noises or drop-outs. Owing to the unique ways in wich how VHS video and VHS Hi-Fi audio are recorded! How, you may ask? The baseband and color signals are moved around. The video baseband is modulated higher in frequency, while the color signal is downconverted to baseband. Add to that, the Hi-Fi audio is modulated on two narrow carriers between the two, and recorded separately and "under" the recorded video signal. What you're seeing is the loss in higher frequencies, but not affecting the Hi-Fi audio at its lower frequencies. (The fact that color is downshifted to baseband is why there's so much noise in VHS color playback.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Fri Sep 16 04:14:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85706 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 11:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2005 11:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.162.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 11:14:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 04:14:31 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.1.168.17 by BAY108-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:14:31 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:14:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2005 11:14:31.0729 (UTC) FILETIME=[CFBDC210:01C5BAAF] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.162.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kahn AM Stereo exciter (& mod monitor?) on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=tSSVorRVLpYvqnOhMhoMkSx4EfNCcKz74t7yRULg-I7Z X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a Message from my friend at WBDH Radio. I Recommend Reading before bidding on the exciter __________________________________________________________________ This is the STR-77 model. I had one of these not too long ago but since gave it up. The reason is because the broadcast frequency is so sharply tuned via its internal ceramic filters that you can not tune it to a different channel simply by changing the crystal. You are stuck with the frequency it's on. It is a shame because these are good sounding units. I even called 'ol Lenny about it ans he sounded surprised there was one still out there. He then told me about the hi "Q" on these things. In fact the Q is so high that I used a variable RF signal generator to simulate the broadcast crystal, and deviating plus or minus 10 khz from its designed channel killed the rf amp! I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't done this test myself. Thanks, Brian. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 5:35 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kahn AM Stereo exciter (& mod monitor?) on eBay --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > You don't see one of these every day: > > http://cgi1.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5808921697 > > The top unit could be a full-fledged modulation monitor; I'm not quite > sure. From the size of these boxes, though, I'd guess that this is an > example of the first-generation Kahn AM Stereo architecture (STR-77), > which is true ISB. When the second-generation Kahn system (STR-84, > using phased ISB) was introduced, the hardware became quite a bit > smaller. Kahn went to phased ISB by about 1958 or 1959-- Right after RCA had patented their own phased-ISB technique. (RCA patented about 4-5 different AM stereo techniques before settling on the AM-FM method, of which Belar would later revive and scuttle just as quickly.) I think the "second generation" is when Hazeltine made some modifications to Kahn's phased ISB design. I don't think anyone has used mechanical-filter-based ISB in 50 years. (That would be either bandpass filters or diode-split direct modulation of sidebands.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Digital radio Stereo speaker Stereo microphone Stereo cabinets Stereo turn table Stereo headphones ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Sep 16 06:21:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49855 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 13:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2005 13:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 13:21:36 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 06:21:32 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by BAY106-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:21:30 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:21:30 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2005 13:21:32.0197 (UTC) FILETIME=[8DE4E550:01C5BAC1] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: XM to air IT 9/23/2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=WoJBNxOYHpxTgK5skjgjBDG8iDkILhushV3-WYApqlBoZ5VB_vb9r-dUZw X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Starting next friday 9/23/2005 at 3 PM EDT XM will began airing IT starting= on channel 4 . It will run on channel 4 until they finish the 30's and 40'= s then continue up to channel 5 and so forth. From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Fri Sep 16 12:42:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60846 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 19:42:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2005 19:42:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 19:42:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 19:40:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 19:40:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:40:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 736 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 204.245.209.24 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: Symphony DSP Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=gugBw6E4WiNj1lZO49reUqowT1G_LK6ofVmumLvJpZJCg4A4GC9pNOD0 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon I was doing a search of Freescale's website to find out about the capabilities of their Symphony radio. They do not have a datasheet for the SDR540100, which is the DSP IC that actually performs the IF filtering and demodulation. There are just two documents: a brief and a more detailed (with part numbers) description of the Symphony system. The URL for the brief description is: http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/data_sheet/SYMPHDIGRADIO.pdf The Symphony link on the main page to this Yahoo forum no longer works because Motorola is not manufacturing semiconductors anymore. Browsing through the "Products" tree in the Freescale web site does not reveal any pages about Symphony. Has Freescale cancelled this project? From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Sep 16 15:08:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 84372 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 22:08:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2005 22:08:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 22:08:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 22:07:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 22:07:09 -0000 X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12063 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 20:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2005 20:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 20:13:20 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id r.d.4c8f6abb (15863) for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-D40 (fwm-d40.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.16]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-3df7432b274d44; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:13:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:13:01 -0400 Message-Id: <8C789122C41E175-CD8-5C39@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> References: <1126894004.425.38483.m16@yahoogroups.com> Received: from 24.59.223.12 by FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.16) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:13:01 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <1126894004.425.38483.m16@yahoogroups.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.13964 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.16 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: Kahn AM Stereo exciter (& mod monitor?) on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135; y=Rn8KY4OPTFH0TWeoD0Q32lbW0-OBokZmw6GEN7USULyY X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Sep 2005 22:07:09 -0000 I am the guy that acquired the STR-77 from Brian at "WBDH" and yes those models --DO-- have a high Q in the tuning stages which prevents them from being frequency agile. You -can- change the frequency of these units, but changing the frequency is more involved than just changing the crystal. BTW..I know of an AM license/station up for sale in NY that could be had for a little of nothing compared to what most stations are selling for these days. Any serious, interested parties contact me via email, off list for more info. Bob Carter - KC4QLP -------------------------------------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic-Engineering-Services of Utica NY / Elizabeth City NC email: midatlanticengin@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:14:28 -0400 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: Re: Kahn AM Stereo exciter (& mod monitor?) on eBay This is a Message from my friend at WBDH Radio. I Recommend Reading before bidding on the exciter __________________________________________________________________ This is the STR-77 model. I had one of these not too long ago but since gave it up. The reason is because the broadcast frequency is so sharply tuned via its internal ceramic filters that you can not tune it to a different channel simply by changing the crystal. You are stuck with the frequency it's on. It is a shame because these are good sounding units. I even called 'ol Lenny about it ans he sounded surprised there was one still out there. He then told me about the hi "Q" on these things. In fact the Q is so high that I used a variable RF signal generator to simulate the broadcast crystal, and deviating plus or minus 10 khz from its designed channel killed the rf amp! I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't done this test myself. Thanks, Brian. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jprybak@bresnan.net Fri Sep 16 15:23:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jprybak@bresnan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28291 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 22:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2005 22:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 22:23:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 22:23:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 22:23:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 22:23:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:23:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 193 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.146.233.226 From: "James P. Rybak" Subject: Are There Any Clear Channel and "Powerhouse" AM Stereo Stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207055014; y=WZWRvYzSqMQFDeFp5kIy1EVaK0gb073n35AUdTJgxnRq X-Yahoo-Profile: jrybak Are there any clear channel AM stereo stations currently broadcasting? Also, are there any "powerhouse" (50kW or so) AM stereo AM stations on the air? Thanks. Jim Rybak Grand Junction, CO From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 16 19:24:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45404 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2005 02:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2005 02:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2005 02:24:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2005 02:24:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2005 02:24:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2005 02:24:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:24:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 477 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.4.105 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Are There Any Clear Channel and "Powerhouse" AM Stereo Stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=diOL9jltXpPrzMuX_iHLhUQa6CdS-T-z9TOXh0jLwvSk9yXg X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "James P. Rybak" wrote: > Are there any clear channel AM stereo stations currently > broadcasting? Also, are there any "powerhouse" (50kW or so) AM stereo > AM stations on the air? > > Thanks. > > Jim Rybak > Grand Junction, CO From where you can hear, I can think of 890 WLS in Chicago, 820 WBAP in Dallas, 1060 CKMX in Calgary, Alberta, and 1630 KCJJ of Iowa City, IA should be listenable...... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Sat Sep 17 05:45:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10262 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2005 12:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2005 12:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2005 12:45:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2005 12:45:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2005 12:45:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 12:45:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050909194331.23865.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2189 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Harris LP on CD?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=oUoqSOabKYlZ7-_Qn8Q8Hu8zDpfofkUoSSDoYpd3RGzsDOf5jwG6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 AM stereo fans, I received the Harris Variable Angle Compatible Phase Multiplex (V- CPM) AM stereo on vinyl demonstration LP record this week. It was packed very well. Also included was a one-page letter from Harris, a pamphlet titled "21 More Questions on AM stereo" and a stamped (for 15 cents) self-addressed envelope (SASE) to the FCC in Washington D.C. This SASE was for comments regarding docket 21313, and pre-dated the Internet and electronic filings to the FCC. This LP was recorded at 45 RPM, and the levels are very low. I converted sides A and B to two WAV files. The first file is 7:20 long and 77.6MB. Second file is 9:12 long and 95.2MB. These files will be temporarily saved to the following server: http://Meduci.com/HarrisV-CPM_SideA.wav http://Meduci.com/HarrisV-CPM_SideB.wav On the first side of the LP, they demonstrate Harris V-CPM introducing several songs recorded in their laboratory. Harris discusses the advantages of the V-CPM process, including syncronous detection, compatibility with all monaural radios in use, without any loss in modulation or loudness, or suffering increased distortion. Harris V-CPM also does not produce any additional interference to the sidebands, backed by over 50 years of experience in building broadcast equipment. On the second side of the LP, Harris opens with comparisons of envelope and syncronous AM detectors using skywave signals. Then, a second test compares the song "Lotta Love" (from the late Nicolete Larson) from the turntable master copy to V-CPM air chain in their laboratory. Their third track is a V-CPM stereo montage of various different song cuts; the record concludes with an actual CKLW-AM stereo broadcast of Detroit's own Dick Purtan handing the microphone over to Tom Shannon at 10 AM, and a Boz Scaggs song in V-CPM AM stereo. This LP was very enjoyable to listen to, and wonder if Motorola, Maganvox, or Kahn ever produced similar albums of their systems. I will make the CD copy, pamphlet and letter available for anyone interested, at my cost for postage, et cetera. Thanks, Jeff Deck Meduci America From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Sat Sep 17 08:51:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32285 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2005 15:51:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2005 15:51:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2005 15:51:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2005 15:51:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2005 15:51:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2005 15:51:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:51:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 594 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Harris LP on CD?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=QVDy43KK4XC8K5Jogxe1vzoRpKzcUEt0LWCdKxlYKQfn0BLxIaCa X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 >The AM Stereo Archive would be happy to host MP3s and scans from the >LP set. (And the Archive's owner envys Jeff for having that material, >now!) Hello, I converted the two relatively large WAV files to much smaller MP3 files. Both are available for download at: http://Meduci.com/HarrisV-CPM_SideA.mp3 http://Meduci.com/HarrisV-CPM_SideB.mp3 Please "save file copy as" to your local hard drive, and do not stream from this site. Thanks. Amy: I do not have your FTP password for your server to host the files. 73, Jeff Deck http://Meduci.com http://AmStereoTuner.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 17 10:28:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4969 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2005 17:28:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2005 17:28:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2005 17:28:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2005 17:28:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2005 17:28:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:28:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 383 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.6.182 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Harris LP on CD?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=nJqDZ2_ZpnyvWXTIhwZogwBrNYcKP7D-F66TdR6OJOtqWrce X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wrote: > Amy: I do not have your FTP password for your server to host the > files. Anonymous login to ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/upload-here-please/ should be with your email address as password. If you're still having problems, email me directly, and we'll work on something. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Sep 17 20:23:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81220 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2005 03:23:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2005 03:23:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2005 03:23:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 03:23:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 03:23:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 03:23:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2366 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.91.4 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Harris LP on CD?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=xOU9PpeaNzKExIQ4sz4VbOyjK5q05x-6R2PatSLQnkj3GA8pGg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Also included was a one-page letter from Harris, a pamphlet titled > "21 More Questions on AM stereo" and a stamped (for 15 cents) > self-addressed envelope (SASE) to the FCC in Washington D.C. The U.S. postal rate was 15 cents from May 29, 1978 to March 21, 1981, and most of the songs on the LP are from 1979, so I'd say it was produced sometime in 1979 or 1980. > Harris discusses the advantages of the V-CPM process, including > syncronous detection, compatibility with all monaural radios in > use, without any loss in modulation or loudness, or suffering > increased distortion. The Harris system did produce increased distortion on a mono envelope-detection radio, but it was in the form of second-order harmonics, which actually helped to give the audio a brighter sound (similar to using an Aphex Aural Exciter). Motorola and Kahn both attempted to provide better mono compatibility by using methods which increased the station's transmitted RF bandwidth -- which Harris points out. Unfortunately, the critics saw mono compatibility as a more important issue than RF bandwidth, and this caused Harris many problems in trying to promote their system, until they finally gave up on it in 1984. Of course these days, Harris's "mono compatiblity problems" are nothing compared to AM IBOC's "compatiblity" problems, which makes you wonder how things would've turned out if iBiquity had four other competitors to deal with today! > On the second side of the LP, Harris opens with comparisons of > envelope and syncronous AM detectors using skywave signals. The comparison is a little skewed because the synchronous receiver has a 10 kHz whistle filter while the envelope receiver does not. Still, you can easily hear how the synchronous detector has much less distortion on skywave fades. Motorola's second- and third-generation C-Quam decoders revert to pure synchronous detection when signal conditions are poor, which is why radios based upon these chips sound much cleaner, even on mono signals. Anyway, it was nice to hear the LP open with "A Little Bit of Soap" by Nigel Olsson (a Top 40 hit in 1979). That's the kind of obscure song which these days you only ever hear on a Muzak background music system. If you called an AC or Oldies station and requested it, they'd probably tell you they never heard of it. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Sep 17 20:33:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89490 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2005 03:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2005 03:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2005 03:33:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 03:33:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 03:33:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 03:33:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 417 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.91.4 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Harris LP on CD?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=_qe-6_1zDVXbBy1nVoEojorq7L4HmtH_ljkS5UAPYW6A8w4GIw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The U.S. postal rate was 15 cents from May 29, 1978 to March 21, > 1981, and most of the songs on the LP are from 1979, so I'd say it > was produced sometime in 1979 or 1980. Also, the LP mentions 9 kHz channel spacing, which I believe was briefly considered for use in the Americas in 1979, but the FCC rejected that idea because 10 kHz-only digital-tuning receivers were already starting to come into use. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 17 20:42:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85750 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2005 03:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2005 03:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52415.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2005 03:42:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 8416 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Sep 2005 03:42:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20050918034232.8414.qmail@web52415.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.78] by web52415.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 20:42:32 PDT Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 20:42:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Harris LP on CD?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=brb2kYvw8c-w_OEVyNGampKKmSB9YS4Oz11FC7dCTpE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > The U.S. postal rate was 15 cents from May 29, > 1978 to March 21, > > 1981, and most of the songs on the LP are from > 1979, so I'd say it > > was produced sometime in 1979 or 1980. > > Also, the LP mentions 9 kHz channel spacing, which I > believe was > briefly considered for use in the Americas in 1979, > but the FCC > rejected that idea because 10 kHz-only > digital-tuning receivers were > already starting to come into use. No, most of those coming into use had a switch. It was South Americans that whined that it would cost too much. I guess the dictatorships down there didn't feel like taking it out of their military budgets. And WE all in North America caved. It should have been done with a complete band realignment STARTING at 530 or whatever that first frequency would be. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Sep 17 22:00:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98917 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2005 05:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2005 05:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.241.34) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2005 05:00:18 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050918050017.PLIB23678.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 01:00:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20050918034232.8414.qmail@web52415.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050918034232.8414.qmail@web52415.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7C2BA538-30E3-4C21-8FBE-170326DCE046@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 22:00:25 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Harris LP on CD?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=s67p3N2SJ4FNYvVAbArsUjuce4l_-iCu0ZUjDbcO2yfaDqWrAr93asQ9dQbq X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Nope. I don't recall any of the digital models of home or car stereos I sold at Sears having a switch. This may have been later, though, 1979-89 is when I worked there. My 1978 Dashmate digital radio/8- track didn't have a switch, though. On Sep 17, 2005, at 8:42 PM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > No, most of those coming into use had a switch. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 17 22:06:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83436 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2005 05:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2005 05:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2005 05:06:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 05:06:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 05:06:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 05:06:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 05:06:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3254 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.92.103 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Harris LP on CD?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=VNLjmuqxPB4kvfisBCJLLKDx-PNYCQ5xE_QKDI0jDgnlRVAw X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Also included was a one-page letter from Harris, a pamphlet titled > > "21 More Questions on AM stereo" and a stamped (for 15 cents) > > self-addressed envelope (SASE) to the FCC in Washington D.C. > > The U.S. postal rate was 15 cents from May 29, 1978 to March 21, > 1981, and most of the songs on the LP are from 1979, so I'd say it > was produced sometime in 1979 or 1980. That would be about right. Several hints are made including referring to FCC setting a standard (this was before the Magnavox decision) and that 5 standards were competing- which includes the RCA/Belar system, which bowed out before the marketplace decision of '82. Harris already had a dozen stations in 1979 testing its AM stereo system. > > Harris discusses the advantages of the V-CPM process, including > > syncronous detection, compatibility with all monaural radios in > > use, without any loss in modulation or loudness, or suffering > > increased distortion. > > The Harris system did produce increased distortion on a mono > envelope-detection radio, but it was in the form of second-order > harmonics, which actually helped to give the audio a brighter sound > (similar to using an Aphex Aural Exciter). Motorola and Kahn both > attempted to provide better mono compatibility by using methods which > increased the station's transmitted RF bandwidth -- which Harris > points out. > > Unfortunately, the critics saw mono compatibility as a more important > issue than RF bandwidth, and this caused Harris many problems in > trying to promote their system, until they finally gave up on it in > 1984. Of course these days, Harris's "mono compatiblity problems" > are nothing compared to AM IBOC's "compatiblity" problems, which > makes you wonder how things would've turned out if iBiquity had four > other competitors to deal with today! More accurately, because of not only the harmonics issue, but also Harris' "cooking the books" (giving the FCC false data) resulted in the FCC ordering an immediate halt to the Harris system. There were holdouts up to at least 1991, before the C-QUAM standard was finalized. There were at least 5 variations of the Harris system, the last of which was a pseudo-C-QUAM after the FCC decision, in which V-CPM modulators were set to full quadrature and the pilot fixed at 25Hz. By 1985, Harris had converted over entirely to C-QUAM, and remains a supplier of C-QUAM exciters to this day. > Anyway, it was nice to hear the LP open with "A Little Bit of Soap" > by Nigel Olsson (a Top 40 hit in 1979). That's the kind of obscure > song which these days you only ever hear on a Muzak background music > system. If you called an AC or Oldies station and requested it, > they'd probably tell you they never heard of it. Olsson had two Top-40 hit singles in 1979- "Little Bit Of Soap" (#34) and "Dancin' Shoes" (#18). His solo material, not having been in the Top 10, has largely been forgotten, but his days as a drummer with Elton John are still heard- And has recently rejoined Elton in recent months, currently to perform at the benefit concert, "From the Big Apple to the Big Easy". Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 17 22:13:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43283 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2005 05:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2005 05:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2005 05:13:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 05:13:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 05:13:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 05:13:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7C2BA538-30E3-4C21-8FBE-170326DCE046@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 899 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.92.103 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Harris LP on CD?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=SV0usqSuKCNPZVoaCuSwWRhNjpi9nXOWSVerd0FYFewG1f6p X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Nope. I don't recall any of the digital models of home or car stereos > I sold at Sears having a switch. This may have been later, though, > 1979-89 is when I worked there. My 1978 Dashmate digital radio/8- > track didn't have a switch, though. > > On Sep 17, 2005, at 8:42 PM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > > No, most of those coming into use had a switch. 1978-1979 was the big international MW frequency realignment, where the 10kHz spacing was finalised for the Americas and 9kHz for the rest of the world, with the channel alignment made globally unified, instead of a hodgepodge of channel spacings and different frequencies for those that did use 9kHz spacing.. It was also when SW broadcast freqs were also alined in 5kHz spaces as well. This was done by the ITU back then. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 17 22:19:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14961 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2005 05:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2005 05:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52415.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.178) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2005 05:19:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 23644 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Sep 2005 05:19:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20050918051937.23642.qmail@web52415.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.105] by web52415.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 22:19:37 PDT Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 22:19:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Harris LP on CD?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=m8xd_hMcYA5J-Ztbz84MbO2vp4siPqQmgkZC9Edu7Zk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > 1978-1979 was the big international MW frequency > realignment, where > the 10kHz spacing was finalised for the Americas and > 9kHz for the > rest of the world, with the channel alignment made > globally unified, > instead of a hodgepodge of channel spacings and > different frequencies > for those that did use 9kHz spacing.. It was also > when SW broadcast > freqs were also alined in 5kHz spaces as well. This > was done by the > ITU back then. > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ There was a big push for everyone at 9 Kilohertz but it failed. My GE 7-4885A and it's earlier model had a switch. A VERY expensive radio ( around $70?) back then. My original model had the keyboard fail. I got one of the newer models. Actually quite good on AM and FM. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Sep 18 00:15:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18307 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2005 07:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2005 07:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2005 07:15:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 07:15:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 07:15:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 07:15:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050918051937.23642.qmail@web52415.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 774 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.92.103 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Harris LP on CD?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=xcxPKlqREw1UdR3jDuCjeq54Sw3tWWo_4VJPVI84TY4obmse X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > There was a big push for everyone at 9 Kilohertz but > it failed. My GE 7-4885A and it's earlier model had a > switch. A VERY expensive radio ( around $70?) back > then. My original model had the keyboard fail. I got > one of the newer models. Actually quite good on AM and > FM. Alot of digital radios from Europe and Asia (but not usually in North America) have 9/10kHz switches these days. Less common (only in Japan?) is the ability of FM radios to tune down to 76MHz. (And just try to get a new radio with the Soviet/OIRC 66-73MHz FM band- Yes, they're still being made, but they're becoming increasongly less common in the former Soviet block countries.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Sun Sep 18 05:13:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37302 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2005 12:13:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2005 12:13:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2005 12:13:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 12:12:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 12:12:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 12:12:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:12:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1693 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Harris LP on CD?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=vZlNHLAZm8-OYJf5rlhCLz9Ab7XBzXOh8xUum2DhIgGtSAlJkNH7 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Two points in the Harris letter, that were not mentioned on the recording, is that "you will notice that the off-air sound of Radio Station CKLW has pre-emphasized high frequencies. This was done normally by CKLW to compensate for the roll-off of AM Radio receivers. On the side B test 1, the envelope v/s synchronous detector comparison was recorded simultaneously from the same receiver I.F output. Notice during selective fading the lack of break-up distortion with syncronous detection." This was a direct quote from Harris, and I wonder what receiver or tuner they used for their off-air samples and recordings, as part of their V-CPM AM stereo equipment. I remember the CKLW-AM commercials, though this was the first time that I actually heard CKLW in AM stereo. During CKLW's Harris testing period in the early 1980's, I was living approximately 30 miles from their Ontario transmitter. Using a Motorola C-QuAM stereo decoder, the stereo LED would flicker on CKLW. This was due to the sliding pilot tone of the Harris system. According to Dave Fazakas, Chief Engineer at the time, CKLW never used C-QuAM technology. Harris also states in the letter that V-CPM is the only stereo system with a pilot lock time of less than 100 milli-seconds. V-CPM does not decrease the stereo separation, or use audio low-pass filters required to stay within FCC allocations. Neither the letter, album or pamphlet were dated, so I would concur that it was probably produced in 1979 or 1980. I will upload the two files to Amy's server, as soon as possible after given access. Thanks, Jeff Deck http://Meduci.com http://AmStereoTuner.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 18 08:17:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26010 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2005 15:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2005 15:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52404.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.167) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2005 15:17:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 57743 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Sep 2005 15:17:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20050918151747.57741.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.93] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 08:17:47 PDT Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 08:17:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Harris LP on CD?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Tp0NDn6fsfiRsLaVDh1i19iIaPZ8215ECxXxcJe-ca0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > Alot of digital radios from Europe and Asia (but not > usually in North > America) have 9/10kHz switches these days. Less > common (only in Japan?) > is the ability of FM radios to tune down to 76MHz. > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ The radios that tend to be "common" models tend to have the switch, common being same model everywhere. Some actually have the "switch" as an option by pressing a button as it's built into the micorproceesor, I would guess. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From mrcomment@yahoo.com Sun Sep 18 10:02:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcomment@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28691 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2005 17:02:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2005 17:02:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2005 17:02:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 17:02:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 17:02:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 17:02:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2723 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.139.182.125 From: "mrcomment" Subject: Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193606338; y=t_GFLjLRJCN6kOvG2rUTiL8_I5RYl_rw07zU1EDBUtCqCaVc X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcomment --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "mrcomment" wrote: > > > > > B*llsh*t. It was strong broadcaster lobbying from folks like the > > owners of WOR, acting through the NAB and others advocacy groups, > > that stopped a new frequency allocation. Whether or not that was a > > prescient decision remains to be seen. > > > Well let's see....your statement is blantantly false, as Buckley Radio > has never lobbied against a new frequency allocation. Nor do I > believe was this lobbied by the NAB. Seems to me this item was not > even an option from the FCC. > > I love you and folks that compare the US to Europe or HD Radio to the > HDTV rollout. Different considerations for all involved, my man. HD > is something that has been in the works over 10 years. The FCC had > plenty of time to stop its development or propose we move to another > band. As a matter of fact, when Eureka 147 was being discussed, the > FCC wanted to create allocations in a portion of the L band to be > compatible with other countries, but the Air Force raised such cain > over the fact that they did not want to relocate their services that > the FCC backed down. > > Think before thou speaketh, and know thy facts before accusing someone > of something. > > Tom Ray > WOR Here are the facts, jack. Eureka-147 was far along in the USA, even initially getting a nod from the NAB, until a group of major broadcasters, including Gannett and CBS, in an effort called project Acorn, pointed out this meant that all stations would have equal footing and would kill any existing brand identity. Almost immediately, NAB changed its position. For 10+ years, NAB pushed IBOC while CEA (who was pushing Eureka-147) said that IBOC was physically impossible. Why would the FCC act when two of the biggest lobbying parties are on opposite sides of the fence? Eureka doesn't have to run at L-band; that was just convenient frequency for a common international allocation, which they didn't get anyway. The DoD argument has always been a red herring. The FCC never backed down, but they were not going to compel a divided industry to adopt a transition that they didn't want (unlike HDTV). They knew that the money recovered from FM, if any, pales in comparison to the mega$$ they saw in selling TV spectrum. By not calling for a new spectrum allocation, your station ownership is implicitly backing IBOC. I'm glad there wasn't a new band spectrum giveaway. I'm happy to see existing stale broadcasters go down the toilet. Your industry is already dead in the minds of most under 30; you just don't realize it. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Sep 18 12:47:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1205 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2005 19:47:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2005 19:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2005 19:47:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 19:46:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 19:46:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:46:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3063 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.92.103 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Harris LP on CD?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=dvFmim2XbsauhmPXENO2VtNbjkbZxgRl8H_66TS20mpViFv_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wrote: > Two points in the Harris letter, that were not mentioned on the > recording, is that "you will notice that the off-air sound of Radio > Station CKLW has pre-emphasized high frequencies. This was done > normally by CKLW to compensate for the roll-off of AM Radio > receivers. On the side B test 1, the envelope v/s synchronous > detector comparison was recorded simultaneously from the same > receiver I.F output. Notice during selective fading the lack of > break-up distortion with syncronous detection." > > This was a direct quote from Harris, and I wonder what receiver or > tuner they used for their off-air samples and recordings, as part of > their V-CPM AM stereo equipment. Synchronous detection has been promoted as an alternative to envelope detection since the 1930s, at least, only that it was a much more expensive design. Today, it's much cheaper, and more widely used (thanks to shortwave radios from Sony and Grundig over the years), but still doesn't have the respect it deserves. It makes AM reception, stereo or otherwise, much cleaner and more alive, and is a real advantage with adjacent-channel and co-channel interference. Although C-QUAM uses an E/Q detection system (Envelope/Quadrature) (Harris is I/variable-Q), a C-QUAM chip will have both envelope and synchronous (I/Q) detectors, as well as a phase detector, making it theoretically useful in the demodulation of almost every known AM stereo system ever made. (There are some systems from the '50s and one from the late '70s, that wasn't part of the competition for AM stereo, due to mono incompatibility, that such a decoder chip won't work.) The Harris system, being based on true QUAM (except being variable- phase, rather than true quadrature-phase) benefits from a sync detector. Both the Sony chipset and National Semiconductor's LM1981 are based on sync detection. > I remember the CKLW-AM commercials, though this was the first time > that I actually heard CKLW in AM stereo. During CKLW's Harris > testing period in the early 1980's, I was living approximately 30 > miles from their Ontario transmitter. Using a Motorola C-QuAM stereo > decoder, the stereo LED would flicker on CKLW. This was due to the > sliding pilot tone of the Harris system. According to Dave Fazakas, > Chief Engineer at the time, CKLW never used C-QuAM > technology. CKLW probably didn't use test exciters for all 5 systems at the time- I'd be surprised if they ever used any other other than Harris! And yes, that was a characteristic of V-CPM, the variable pilot tone, which also controlled the phase of the Q detector, based on average stereo separation. (I can confirm, BTW, that 1000 KOMO of Seattle is no longer broadcasting in Harris, as the characteristic platform motion of the background hiss, but not of the modulated signal, is now gone. It is now behaving as any sync-detected mono AM signal on my 'A100.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Sep 18 12:49:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64667 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2005 19:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2005 19:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2005 19:49:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 19:49:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 19:49:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 19:49:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:49:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050918151747.57741.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 705 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.92.103 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Harris LP on CD?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=-9pf6O_MzyRjnvop5LVLyvpY3MlwCMSJEWj-Zm07_hnzn7Xi X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > > --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > > Alot of digital radios from Europe and Asia (but not > > usually in North > > America) have 9/10kHz switches these days. Less > > common (only in Japan?) > > is the ability of FM radios to tune down to 76MHz. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > The radios that tend to be "common" models tend to > have the switch, common being same model everywhere. > Some actually have the "switch" as an option by > pressing a button as it's built into the > micorproceesor, I would guess. Or a switch that's accessable under the batteries, as is the case with my Aiwa. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Sep 18 13:26:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28358 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2005 20:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2005 20:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.241.30) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2005 20:26:27 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.6] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050918202626.LAOJ4028.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@[192.168.0.6]> for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 16:26:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <844C3304-A2D8-4440-B6DA-596B4A61BEAE@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 13:26:24 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=XUfkWNc_oazbXZGouB4YzaZn8D3U3lajmNJB-bkPGbonyMvUyxvsYWkj8yKE X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner With the letters I get from my weekly column, it's dead in the minds of those under 80. Very, very rarely do I get any letters stating that they like today's programming. Often it is with stations that are going away, such as with music on 690 in Southern California. On Sep 18, 2005, at 10:02 AM, mrcomment wrote: > Your industry is already dead in the minds of most > under 30; you just don't realize it. From kya1260@lycos.com Sun Sep 18 15:42:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79581 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2005 22:42:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2005 22:42:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2005 22:42:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 10AA81800136 for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:42:22 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 18 Sep 2005 22:42:21 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D6F8986B11; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:42:21 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 14:42:21 -0800 Received: from [69.106.56.122] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 14:42:21 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050918224221.D6F8986B11@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=L7OH3gpH751T8BG3FgbVvZpK4zrenqZVPQ5N2wbsNF_jiiMjXA X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ From: "Richard Wagoner" > With the letters I get from my weekly column, it's dead in the minds > of those under 80. Very, very rarely do I get any letters stating > that they like today's programming. Often it is with stations that > are going away, such as with music on 690 in Southern California. In addition to that statement and what Mr.Comment said about our=20 "industry...already dead in the minds of most under 30," Under-30- somethings in the biz don't know how to sell formats like M.O.R.,=20 as is the case with KEZX 730 in Medford, Oregon, a very good=20 'in-house' M.O.R./Pop station ('40s through today) with Top-10=20 ratings in the upper 3s - great for an AM music station - but=20 with minimal advertising... At a county fair there, my friend in Medford says that word about KEZX is extremely positive... If KEZX did not have three sister stations, 2 on FM which make money, KEZX probably could not survive on its own... Simply, under-30-somethings cannot relate to that type of music very well... A similar situation did in San Francisco's KFRC when it was=20 "Magic 61" until August 1993 - great upper-demo ratings (in the Top-5 most of the time, for 12-plus), but no advertising... --jay =20 > On Sep 18, 2005, at 10:02 AM, mrcomment wrote: >=20 > > Your industry is already dead in the minds of most > > under 30; you just don't realize it. What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Sep 18 16:00:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17592 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2005 23:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2005 23:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2005 23:00:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 23:00:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2005 23:00:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 23:00:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <844C3304-A2D8-4440-B6DA-596B4A61BEAE@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1836 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.92.103 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=7k9X0BAqd3T1zXOggl-M2Tr_s-McDLDfCEBB3hBbCCa6rspE X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > With the letters I get from my weekly column, it's dead in the minds > of those under 80. Very, very rarely do I get any letters stating > that they like today's programming. Often it is with stations that > are going away, such as with music on 690 in Southern California. When I came down to LAX last year, I scanned the local radio and TV........ I was dissapointed. I mean, this is Los Angeles, the entertainment capital of the world, and it felt like I was in some third-rate market! It was somewhat better up in San Jose and in Sacramento- Even here as I sit in the redwoods of Humboldt county, the Eureka/Arcata market seemed much more alive! The only thing that even kept my interest when Ii was staying at LAX was SCA radio, and internet radio over my Pocket PC, listening to the BBC's Welsh service and Japan's NHK. (Thank you, WiFi!) The SCA stations were just that much more interesting than the rest of the AM&FM fare. And that's not a good thing, not for LA. (Eureka having higher TV engineering standards than LA? Good grief!) LA was wonced a world-class city with world-class broadcasters. Now, it looks so pathetic, that I could get better radio on the internet from Jersey! No, not New Jersey, but the island of Jersey, in the English Channel! I thought Las Vegas was bad.... o.o And to think, I'll be down in Anaheim in 3 weeks for my birthday, while my mum is having another state retiree meeting down there. And a month later, Orlando... I don't expect miracles, there. You know American radio is in such a state that the only real beacon of first-rate broadcasting I can think of is WWL's continuing Katrina coverage in New Orleans. Come on, we're Americans- We can do better than THAT! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 19 16:43:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26066 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2005 23:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2005 23:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2005 23:43:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 12497 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Sep 2005 23:43:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20050919234317.12495.qmail@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.162.222.143] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:43:17 PDT Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:43:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1127163104.1141.18396.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: AM Stereo on CKLW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=6kSe-Mwm5pRNYT8ZCb1OGZILMvY2-7VhprYLC9xB_Le4Ku7xpX_VfYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Mousie wrote: "CKLW probably didn't use test exciters for all 5 systems at the time-I'd be surprised if they ever used any other other than Harris!" "The Big 8" CKLW had one hellacious sweet AM stereo sound on 800KHz in the early 80's. I built a Harris decoder with a Moto MC13020 using a schematic from Dave Hershberger of Harris, and it was sweet. I have only one decent recording I could find of a stereo soundtrack going while they talk about giving away Sony AM Stereo walkmans for the first Stereo AM sporting event in North America (a Pistons baseball game on tape delay). Hershberger said that CKLW's hardware was wire-wrapped, made in Quincy and setup and tested at CKLW's 50KW xmitter. I later built a Made in Oz product from Dick Smith Electronics, it was a Motorola/Harris decoder and the Harris stereo pilot would come on from CKLW and from WSM. AM had a lot of potential if every AM promoted it's AM stereo like CKLW did at first. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Sep 19 17:18:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93268 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2005 00:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2005 00:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2005 00:18:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:18:07 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by BAY101-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:18:07 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: , Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:15:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2005 00:18:07.0490 (UTC) FILETIME=[C68ECE20:01C5BD78] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Off Topic FM DX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=pkeJsDAo_BpBYRnRu1d0kxW_nbUToJDMWEtmN9iOgda770DhQDCqcC8LouIDkA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Yesterday Evening, I caught some very strong DX while listening to WSJT 94.1. For almost 30 minutes, I was listening to HIT 94 FM from Aruba! Not a bad catch for tropical DX! Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Sep 19 17:52:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48515 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2005 00:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2005 00:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2005 00:52:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:52:49 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by BAY101-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:52:48 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20050919234317.12495.qmail@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:49:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2005 00:52:49.0029 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F407350:01C5BD7D] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on CKLW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Rn1Z9bkzJQDczRfbS4V0y9xLCKw2eJ7DzmEKvhurWf5MLzLnN8wNXhIO6FZOFg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John P. wrote: > "The Big 8" CKLW had one hellacious sweet AM stereo sound on 800KHz in the > early 80's. CKLW had a hellacious signal into South Carolina at that time. I lost my reception when Adventist World Radio put a monster transmitter on 800 from Bonaire. By the time AWR turned that beast off, the FCC had given the former daytimers on 800 night time authority and 800 became another "Graveyard". Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Sep 19 18:24:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70928 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2005 01:24:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2005 01:24:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2005 01:24:35 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:24:31 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by BAY101-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:24:31 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20050919234317.12495.qmail@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:18:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2005 01:24:31.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D09C770:01C5BD82] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Trans World Radio Was: AM Stereo on CKLW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=0BQltYOtf5sKopj0QAdmeGORUD9u_uLGfXRuavSANrY_5-F7gQfpJDLGogyI2g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 OOPS! I must be brain-dead from listening to FM! That was Trans World Radio that wiped out 800KC all over the Americas with 500KW of power from Bonaire! Possum "Tell me what you eat and I'll tell you what you are." -- Brillat-Savarin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" To: Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 8:49 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on CKLW > John P. wrote: >> "The Big 8" CKLW had one hellacious sweet AM stereo sound on 800KHz in >> the >> early 80's. > > CKLW had a hellacious signal into South Carolina at that time. I lost my > reception when Adventist World Radio put a monster transmitter on 800 from > Bonaire. By the time AWR turned that beast off, the FCC had given the > former > daytimers on 800 night time authority and 800 became another "Graveyard". > > Kevin in Tampa > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From bossmsx@gmail.com Wed Sep 21 09:17:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52027 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2005 16:17:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2005 16:17:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2005 16:17:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 16:16:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 16:16:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 16:16:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:16:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 323 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.75.227.85 From: "Anthony" Subject: SCA in LA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=225799755; y=wfl3O0_4jjdZTWcct0bZbaVmnJ-ldK3975iQMda1SVAJ9v1-yTVS X-Yahoo-Profile: radiosanchez > BBC's Welsh service and Japan's NHK. (Thank you, WiFi!) The SCA > stations were just that much more interesting than the rest of the > AM&FM fare. And that's not a good thing, not for LA. (Eureka Dennis, where in LA's SCA FM dial is NHK?? I'm actually thinking about eventually heading out west again. --tony/miami From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 21 10:52:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93226 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2005 17:52:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2005 17:52:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2005 17:52:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 17:50:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 17:50:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 17:50:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:50:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 869 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.92.103 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: SCA in LA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=ElqO9pb4GDRYiAo3__xokTHmvYAteU-M8bZQfMXUzdjycLfY X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > BBC's Welsh service and Japan's NHK. (Thank you, WiFi!) The SCA > > stations were just that much more interesting than the rest of the > > AM&FM fare. And that's not a good thing, not for LA. (Eureka > > Dennis, where in LA's SCA FM dial is NHK?? I'm actually thinking about > eventually heading out west again. Note that I said not only was SCA radio keepoing me occupied, but also internet radio via WiFi on my wireless-capable Pocket PC. BBC Cymru and NHK were heard via WiFi. I do have a log of what I received when I was staying at a hotel at LAX (Embassy Suites), with cervices in several languages. Ethnic programming, public radio and non-Muzak muzak- which are all expected- were there, but no religious or RRS (reading services for the blind), though. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 21 11:36:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1110 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2005 18:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2005 18:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2005 18:36:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 18:35:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 18:35:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:35:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 77 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.92.103 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: SCA in LA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=sQQkG_9e4R-HVlKsmaeQhA7nMet38N770kbKGYwP3FxAdlr8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie This is what was received at LAX: http://tinyurl.com/a6lyg Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 21 16:11:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54608 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2005 23:11:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2005 23:11:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.206) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2005 23:11:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 6490 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2005 23:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.124.96.176 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2005 23:11:23 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c5a218$b7207680$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:12:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: boss radio in Sacramento X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=Zcfpw2rQ5yJd0N1q9Uc4T3xtvuOZCzLF-bIxZEp6ZYzLLv5uwcutI4xt3KPMsc-RpzEg0khl X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang KCCL FM 101.9 change there format to a more 70's rock from the 50's 60's oldies format thay had and thay call them selfs BOSS RADIO 101.9. I allso herd my first radio HD RADIO comershal on KCBC 770 AM STEREO. Thay where talking about HD radio and at the end they where pushing CRAWFORD BROADCASTING. I had went to the FCC site and 770 AM is not own by Crawford. Talk to you soon Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Sep 21 19:52:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27048 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2005 02:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2005 02:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao12.cox.net) (68.230.241.27) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2005 02:52:10 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.6] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050922025109.TMWM29515.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@[192.168.0.6]> for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:51:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <6BDFB9C1-E424-4C91-90FB-ECAD8A727694@cox.net> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:51:07 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SCA in LA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=uWmRSHVz6wsuNPKnhJpQR--Tff6YyEck5cD2BA5DDmtxuCnTF_RgnqcSODB4 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KLSX hasn't been rock for years. On Sep 21, 2005, at 11:35 AM, Amy Mousie wrote: > This is what was received at LAX: > > http://tinyurl.com/a6lyg > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Digital radio Stereo speaker Stereo microphone > Stereo turntables Stereo cabinets Stereo turn table > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Sep 22 17:10:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47385 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2005 00:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2005 00:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2005 00:10:56 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.118]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 14675860 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:10:26 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <006801c5bfd3$5f421c60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20050919234317.12495.qmail@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:11:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 13, in=13, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.118 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on CKLW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=yaMxl1zhBuhfGi4FM7JHZwWptl_RUHcKJ_cCQ5fvTXRd-F7YBkNd X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude IIRC Bonaire was Trans World Radio, not Adventist WR. They weren't as strong in the US as they could have beem as they were actually directional to the south. Only heard them once in MN back in 74. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > John P. wrote: > > "The Big 8" CKLW had one hellacious sweet AM stereo sound on 800KHz in the > > early 80's. > > CKLW had a hellacious signal into South Carolina at that time. I lost my > reception when Adventist World Radio put a monster transmitter on 800 from > Bonaire. By the time AWR turned that beast off, the FCC had given the former > daytimers on 800 night time authority and 800 became another "Graveyard". > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Sep 22 17:25:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8126 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2005 00:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2005 00:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2005 00:25:45 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.118]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 14256413 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:23:49 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ac01c5bfd5$3cfa40e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000a01c5a218$b7207680$20a4fea9@jimsmith> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:24:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 13, in=15, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.118 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} boss radio in Sacramento X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=TtTduzuktIdl20mSQZVG70y2T2Cu8sWmHtT2vTpSPc9xsjznAl8N X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It probably is- maybe just a different division. I know Salem does business under several different companies- two different ones just where I work. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > Hi gang KCCL FM 101.9 change there format to a more 70's rock from the 50's 60's oldies format thay had and thay call them selfs BOSS RADIO 101.9. I allso herd my first radio HD RADIO comershal on KCBC 770 AM STEREO. Thay where talking about HD radio and at the end they where pushing CRAWFORD BROADCASTING. I had went to the FCC site and 770 AM is not own by Crawford. Talk to you soon Jim Smith > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Sep 22 17:37:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98107 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2005 00:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2005 00:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2005 00:37:54 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.118]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 11996317 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:36:52 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d201c5bfd7$137d9bc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:29:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.118 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Symphony DSP Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=swB6jLIy10hvmcpOiWlH1uyqeFU0CYYwkB7VwwXLYcjEPRHaOyZv X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Just got the go-ahead to go to the Madison Broadcasters Clinic again this year. One of the scheduled speakers is Greg Buchwald of Motorola, one of their AM stereo developers. I'll try to ask him about Symphony DSP radios, and if there's any way I can get the DSP code for AM stereo demodulation which could be downloaded into a software defined radio such as the Radiosophy. Greg's topic will be on AM IBOC interference. Not sure what his current position with Moto is. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "alfredotorrejon" > I was doing a search of Freescale's website to find out about the > capabilities of their Symphony radio. They do not have a datasheet > for the SDR540100, which is the DSP IC that actually performs the IF > filtering and demodulation. There are just two documents: a brief and > a more detailed (with part numbers) description of the Symphony > system. The URL for the brief description is: > > http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/data_sheet/SYMPHDIGRADIO.pdf > > The Symphony link on the main page to this Yahoo forum no longer works > because Motorola is not manufacturing semiconductors anymore. > > Browsing through the "Products" tree in the Freescale web site does > not reveal any pages about Symphony. Has Freescale cancelled this > project? From w6yn@juno.com Sat Sep 24 18:49:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37987 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2005 01:49:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2005 01:49:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2005 01:49:09 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBVNAR8AZA3HX2 for (sender ); Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K5P6JB43; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:48:26 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:47:53 -0700 Message-ID: <20050924.184756.2188.2.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ContentStamp: 3:5:2694694724 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLHTORjASZBqtYcCLr4t4zsQ= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: CPB provides funding X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=6lUX3hwnHIcnpue1f8nU4IjKa4yjCofW8CBTGXwo6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Here's where your taxes go: CPB Accelerates Station Conversions to HD Radio Roughly 800 noncommercial stations will accelerate their digital conversion. That’s due to an agreement reached between the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and Ibiquity Digital Corporation. Under the agreement, CPB will buy a group license that will allow more than 400 CPB-funded public radio stations to acquire Ibiquity’s digital HD Radio technology. This group license will also cover costs associated with IBOC’s advanced data services such as multicasting and datacasting. Previously, CPB provided funding to approximately 400 local public radio stations for their digital conversions. From w6yn@juno.com Sat Sep 24 19:07:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8656 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2005 02:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2005 02:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2005 02:07:28 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBVNBUJAWYNKJA for (sender ); Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K5P7JXFU; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:06:14 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:00:48 -0700 Message-ID: <20050924.190601.2188.5.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ContentStamp: 5:2:1359203730 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLNGHynZPYc0oiRMawt5g4hg= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Ibiquity Adds Executive X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=2YsY4Ub9DJvSqIA7A2ALlabgg7w2HOEm8nKPwZ4hgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Ibiquity Adds Executive to Expand International Adoption of IBOC Ibiquity Digital Corporation has hired Perry Priestley as director of international broadcast business development. The 20-year broadcast veteran will broaden Ibiquity’s efforts to roll out HD Radio around the world. Priestley has worked in both technical and commercial positions within the broadcast industry throughout his career. Most recently, he served as director of sales for Thales Broadcast and Multimedia, overseeing the Canadian, Caribbean and Latin American markets. At Thales, Priestley’s responsibilities included marketing, sales and standards promotion in the digital radio and television markets. He has also held positions with Comark Communications, Philips North America and Pye TVT. Ibiquity COO Jeff Jury said the company is seeing increased interest in its HD Radio technology from international markets. From w6yn@juno.com Sat Sep 24 19:07:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83692 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2005 02:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2005 02:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2005 02:07:28 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBVNBUJAWFMYR2 for (sender ); Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K5P7JXFS; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:06:14 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:58:39 -0700 Message-ID: <20050924.190601.2188.4.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ContentStamp: 7:3:875241392 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLNGHynZPYc0oExpfU/d/p7k= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Additional Grants for Digital Conversions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=2YsY4Ub9DJvSqIA7A2ALlabgg7w2HOEm8nKPwZ4hgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn CPB Awards Additional Grants for Digital Conversions The Corporation for Public Broadcasting has awarded more than $8.8 million in grants to help an additional 119 local public radio stations, including 78 serving rural and minority audiences, purchase the equipment needed to transition to digital radio. This is the fourth round of matching grants to eligible stations. Recipients hail from 31 states. “Digital is the future of broadcasting, and the future is here. Public radio must be enabled to participate fully, and thanks to the investments made by Congress, state governments and local stations, we are well on our way,” said CPB President/CEO Patricia Harrison. CPB has distributed grants to 405 public radio stations and 285 public television stations to begin their digital transition. Additional awards for public television to convert to digital also will be announced this fall. Final grants are contingent upon final equipment costs and contract negotiations with individual stations. These funds are part of the nearly $190 million in funding that Congress has provided to CPB over the last five years to assist both public radio and public television stations to convert from analog to digital transmission. From w6yn@juno.com Sat Sep 24 19:07:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50058 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2005 02:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2005 02:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2005 02:07:28 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBVNBUJAVPAKC2 for (sender ); Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K5P7JXFP; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:06:14 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:56:12 -0700 Message-ID: <20050924.190601.2188.3.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ContentStamp: 3:5:1230716001 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLNGHynZPYc0o6XK7P+JJ3Ek= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Ibiquity President/CEO Robert Struble talks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=2YsY4Ub9DJvSqIA7A2ALlabgg7w2HOEm8nKPwZ4hgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Groups Talking Digital Coalition The big radio groups are referring again to talks about how to best roll out digital radio data services and promotion. Here in Philadelphia, Infinity’s Joel Hollander said talks are taking place between the executives of his company and Clear Channel, Emmis and Entercom. He said the groups would likely reveal their plan between 60 to 90 days. Clear Channel’s John Hogan termed the group “alliance,” a concept echoed by Ibiquity President/CEO Robert Struble in talking to PDs. “There’s a collation that’s coming together, the largest in history.” Radio executives first publicly broached the idea of cooperating in their approach to multicasting or other data services and promotion when they announced at CES they would accelerate their digital conversions. From w6yn@juno.com Sat Sep 24 19:07:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88616 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2005 02:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2005 02:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2005 02:07:30 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBVNBUJAYAM9KS for (sender ); Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K5P7JXFX; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:06:14 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:06:00 -0700 Message-ID: <20050924.190601.2188.6.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-12 X-ContentStamp: 2:3:601134918 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLNGHynZPYc0oHl6mKCavJjE= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Ibiquity IBOC in service X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=s1jynlNf_gFAvh8hcCBZ27qewUT6j5Qx_dc6STdlpA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn My weekend trip (9/24) to Los Angeles revealed Ibiquity IBOC in service continuing at: KDIS - 1110kHz KMXE - 830kHz KTNQ - 1020kHz Plus now Ibiquity IBOC in service at KNX - 1070kHz Don From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 24 19:44:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65661 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2005 02:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2005 02:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2005 02:44:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2005 02:44:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2005 02:44:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2005 02:44:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 02:44:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050924.190601.2188.3.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 202 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.13.69 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Ibiquity President/CEO Robert Struble talks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=a5HOYlsHyRaAP4-AUmuAFuWxNZCEAwOEnmPRv7ztOvVksDuU X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Groups Talking Digital Coalition Funny, isn't this the very reason WHY they refused to go with E147 DAB? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w6yn@juno.com Sat Sep 24 21:16:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95406 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2005 04:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2005 04:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2005 04:16:15 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBVNKENAJBG5YJ for (sender ); Sat, 24 Sep 2005 21:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K5QEYNNZ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 21:16:04 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 21:14:58 -0700 Message-ID: <20050924.211459.2968.2.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ContentStamp: 3:4:1463484387 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLA8gEKvSMAbuaWkM/mgVJ0A= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Update Ibiquity IBOC in service X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=3J-XkfjPZuzskEH0TTRqf4augKNXjLKLCGj4L3xJ6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Weekend Update: My weekend trip (9/24) to Los Angeles revealed Ibiquity IBOC in service continuing at: KDIS - 1110kHz +1100kHz + 1120kHz KMXE - 830kHz + 820kHz + 840kHz KTNQ - 1020kHz + 1010kHz + 1030kHz Plus now Ibiquity IBOC in service at KNX - 1070kHz + 1060kHz + 1080kHz Don From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Sep 25 14:34:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35052 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2005 21:34:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2005 21:34:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.241.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2005 21:34:41 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.6] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050925213439.NBML29333.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.0.6]> for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 17:34:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20050924.190601.2188.6.w6yn@juno.com> References: <20050924.190601.2188.6.w6yn@juno.com> Message-Id: <8A10F1BE-CF2B-460C-AC39-E42F0D05FB74@cox.net> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 14:34:31 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ibiquity IBOC in service X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=AzPupfD1YmdxqHSsqVc0T3kLNBdY231BbZ-xQGMWB8f1rcZ-QHBqFmIn5szv X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of which, I am absolutely amazed at how well my Blaupunkt car stereo works on AM to reject the IBOC interference. You can actually listen to the 2nd adjacent frequencies without ringing, and the hash on the main carrier isn't there. My old Delco couldn't do that. My Carver TX-11b also tends to minimize the problems, even when on wideband mode. Richard Wagoner On Sep 24, 2005, at 7:06 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > My weekend trip (9/24) to Los Angeles revealed Ibiquity IBOC in > service > continuing at: > > KDIS - 1110kHz > > KMXE - 830kHz > > KTNQ - 1020kHz > > Plus now Ibiquity IBOC in service at > > KNX - 1070kHz > > Don > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Digital radio Stereo speaker Stereo microphone > Stereo turntables Stereo cabinets Stereo turn table > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Sep 25 17:03:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39809 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 00:03:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 00:03:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 00:03:27 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.1]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 12648113 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 19:03:26 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c5c22d$ea90c440$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 19:04:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.212.1 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Ibiquity President/CEO Robert Struble talks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=HJkLj5PyBRCc1AuuiPg98fjfMHzPWKlzaMRV0UbiR4Av8dNQyNds X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Good memory, but let's look at the difference- back then there were a lot of smaller groups. They didn't want their big cash cows to compete on a leveled playing field with some mom and pop 250w tea kettle. Now they own the tea kettle too, so the rules of the game have changed. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" To: Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 9:44 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Ibiquity President/CEO Robert Struble talks > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: > > Groups Talking Digital Coalition > > Funny, isn't this the very reason WHY they refused to go with E147 DAB? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 26 16:43:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61775 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 23:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 23:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 23:43:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 78428 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Sep 2005 23:43:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20050926234335.78426.qmail@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.162.222.143] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:43:35 PDT Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:43:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1127774614.648.96312.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: New AM receiver technology would aid AM Stereo too X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=gUewwAd3rhG9n3iVgOLFFmkUnM6TEmtD5vJs7KgKs4CATa1GCFWAy2o X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Richard wrote: "I am absolutely amazed at how well my Blaupunkt car stereo works on AM to reject the IBOC interference." Which goes to show that the new 'digiceiver' technology and Motorola's Symphony would be great for AM stereo as they have some fantastic 'noise blanker' technology. Don't forget about Fanfare's Omega noise-reduction tuner circuitry either! Speaking of Motorola, they are very, very poor at promoting their own products, aren't they - unless it's a cellphone? They dropped the ball on C-Quam and now they've spent all thier development money on the Motorola Symphony chipset and they don't bother to push and present it and promote it for use in everything that has a battery in it! __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From badeditpro@charter.net Thu Sep 29 02:00:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60419 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 09:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 09:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 09:00:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 08:59:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 08:59:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 08:59:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:59:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 712 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.241.14.86 From: "JC" Subject: FOUND AN AWESOME BOOK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=q3Jg1AlXy8ODREPKE9R77UuQ1jsafuokzrEmFSLbHxDHNOVf43C2TVgceWOx X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Hey All,=20 Haven't posted here in a while because I'm so darn busy!=20 Anyhow, I was in the basement of my radio stations helping to move some office furniture down there. I looked over on this shelf and there was this book, AM Stereo & TV stereo: New Sound Dimensions" by Stan Prentiss.=20 It was published in 1985 and has the most detailed description of all five AM stereo systems that were around at that time. I'd recommend this book to anyone who wants to know the inner workings of AM stereo or FM and TV stereo, for that matter=85 It's choked full of Schematics, circuit descriptions and theories of operation. You could build your own exciter and receiver from scratch using this book. : ) Joe Collins From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 29 02:11:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87331 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 09:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 09:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 09:11:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 09:08:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 09:08:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:08:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 712 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.79.0 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: FOUND AN AWESOME BOOK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=J9AaPV3z2HHK9_msChCamyP7lJSHbDmYtweuc8MRVDjZm6d5 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: > Hey All, > > Haven't posted here in a while because I'm so darn busy! > Anyhow, I > was in the basement of my radio stations helping to move some office > furniture down there. I looked over on this shelf and there was this > book, AM Stereo & TV stereo: New Sound Dimensions" by Stan > Prentiss. Yep, got my copy. :) It's still relatively easy to find. There are some inaccuracies, though, but otherwise, worthwhile to read. Most of the schems are for receivers, and if I recall, only one actual project is included, in the AM stereo half of the book- A Harris decoder using a C- QUAM chip (the '020, if I recall). Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kya1260@lycos.com Thu Sep 29 14:23:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86893 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 21:23:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 21:23:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 21:23:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 2F24B1800285 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:23:19 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Sep 2005 21:23:19 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 244383384B; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:23:19 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:23:19 -0800 Received: from [68.125.54.97] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:23:19 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050929212319.244383384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: {AMSF} ALERT - May be losing another AMS station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=oiLzCd_TUqFpinW478TUWSLiLSh155mO-pHyIjrI33mJpIt6Lw X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ From today's All Access news report... If KCTC DOES change, it's likely the end of some fine-sounding=20 AM Stereo on 1320, as was the case when KSAC 1240 dropped theirs=20 years ago... --jay Are changes coming to the liberal talk radio scene in SACRAMENTO?=20 Current AIR AMERICA RADIO affiliate K S A C-A M (1240 TALK CITY)=20 is running promos announcing the coming addition of JONES' STEPHANIE=20 MILLER and ED SCHULTZ, which would further reduce the AIR AMERICA=20 programming on the station (KSAC carries local shows with CHRISTINE=20 CRAFT and MARY JANE POPP, the syndicated BEV SMITH show, and=20 weekend sports and blues programming). Could the moves be related to rumors of another liberal talker=20 signing on later this year, and could AIR AMERICA's programming be=20 headed to the new station? And could that station be ENTERCOM's=20 K C T C-A M, presently Adult Standards? Stay tuned.... --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 29 15:48:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58090 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 22:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 22:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 22:48:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 22:48:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 22:48:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:48:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050929212319.244383384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1262 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.124.110.124 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: ALERT - May be losing another AMS station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=Cdpag0JJMpptAGGSZFT9QBPC59jJQx-qxmqKJO4t1eb4hyVYD9Yg_wmwBoUy6oheQd8u1qG6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > From today's All Access news report... > If KCTC DOES change, it's likely the end of some fine-sounding > AM Stereo on 1320, as was the case when KSAC 1240 dropped theirs > years ago... > --jay > > Are changes coming to the liberal talk radio scene in SACRAMENTO? > Current AIR AMERICA RADIO affiliate K S A C-A M (1240 TALK CITY) > is running promos announcing the coming addition of JONES' STEPHANIE > MILLER and ED SCHULTZ, which would further reduce the AIR AMERICA > programming on the station (KSAC carries local shows with CHRISTINE > CRAFT and MARY JANE POPP, the syndicated BEV SMITH show, and > weekend sports and blues programming). > > Could the moves be related to rumors of another liberal talker > signing on later this year, and could AIR AMERICA's programming be > headed to the new station? And could that station be ENTERCOM's > K C T C-A M, presently Adult Standards? Stay tuned.... > > -- Hay Gang Yuk!!!! Jim Smith > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/defau lt.asp?SRC=lycos10 From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 30 12:20:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62692 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2005 19:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2005 19:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2005 19:20:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2005 19:19:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2005 19:19:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2005 19:19:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:19:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 793 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.79.0 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Winter AM DX comes early... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=1LFNBwlHnqIq-bzEl9voKE2ajNAu02IHLq_Uy59FRF2z9lA4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Sounds like the trans-Pacific stations (especially the Japanese ones) are getting an early start- I've picked up at least three of the 6 NHK stations (594 and 666 have been coming in best), as well as some others around the dial. One 9kHz station, on, Ii think, 778, came in- Another at 945 sounded like it was in American english. Still another sounded like it was in russian! I didn't get a chance to log them, as it was about 7am PDT, and was having a restless time of sleeping. :( NHK-1 on 594 has been pretty consistant the last few nights, with music and talk, and even listenable without using the Select-A-Tenna on my 'A100 in ISB mode. Been getting them as early as 2:30am PDT. Wonder if anyone else have been getting ocean-hoppers on either coast lately? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 30 15:00:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88948 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2005 22:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2005 22:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.202) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2005 22:00:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 5056 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2005 22:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@69.104.34.3 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2005 22:00:47 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c5c482$c2770620$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:41:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Subject: KSAC AM 1240 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=SUMD7FGe7pyDIFaKiyOybWZWEw1wQCAZZKtIG_vJu5W_UJy0-HFw9bWT6UCbpcuZVQD-4Dsr X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I found out that KSAC AM 1240 is only 1 kw unlimided. I wonder how much it was when it was KROY AM 1240. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Fri Sep 30 18:24:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23331 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2005 01:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2005 01:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2005 01:24:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2005 01:23:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2005 01:23:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2005 01:23:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 01:23:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c5c482$c2770620$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 408 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.168.157 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: KSAC AM 1240 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=ppccjIjqtNDq6lfviqreuww93dH55c3bbBThAMp8iYqB6zVrYqkAwVz_ X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I think it was the same unless you're referring to it's Top 40 days. I don't recall when Class IV stations were allowed to be 1000 watts full-time but before that, it was 1 kw.- Days and 250 watts-night. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Hi Gang I found out that KSAC AM 1240 is only 1 kw unlimited. I wonder how much it was when it was KROY AM 1240. Jim Smith From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Fri Sep 30 18:27:19 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Fri Sep 30 18:27:23 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From w6yn@juno.com Fri Sep 30 18:52:38 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Fri Sep 30 20:03:06 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 30 22:05:16 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Sep 30 22:19:07 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Sep 30 23:00:41 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Sep 30 23:20:43 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Oct 01 00:51:17 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Oct 01 03:16:42 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Oct 01 09:06:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24328 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2005 16:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2005 16:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2005 16:06:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2005 16:06:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2005 16:06:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:06:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 379 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.92.2 From: "Kevin T." Subject: BMW's new IBOC radio may have AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=n7lqRc75aP1NvUa5KItBkZBV8hDrPHSugtQrJXgmG9237KbDtw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This message suggests that BMW's new HD Radio-capable receivers, to be included in their top-of-the-line vehicles in the 2006 model year, may be using an "all-in-one" chipset which includes support for analog AM Stereo: http://tinyurl.com/c7o3w Now, if you want to go to a BMW dealer and test-drive a $70,000+ car just to see if its radio has AM Stereo, be my guest! :-) From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 01 15:00:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58128 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2005 22:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2005 22:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2005 22:00:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2005 22:00:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2005 22:00:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 22:00:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 548 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.124.13.225 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: BMW's new IBOC radio may have AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=XBDfXqLHqv3hB22_sUkB4-ULxQ8NBTykXksCj8HoyHlzGFe_cYGwm4VuvPzPZbhZq3r-fwCo X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > This message suggests that BMW's new HD Radio-capable receivers, to > be included in their top-of-the-line vehicles in the 2006 model year, > may be using an "all-in-one" chipset which includes support for > analog AM Stereo: > > http://tinyurl.com/c7o3w > > Now, if you want to go to a BMW dealer and test-drive a $70,000+ car > just to see if its radio has AM Stereo, be my guest! :-) Hi Gang Maybe it mite make night time Am Stereo more possible. Jim Smith From kya1260@lycos.com Sat Oct 01 15:33:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44883 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2005 22:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2005 22:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2005 22:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 9D9EE18001C4 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:33:10 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 1 Oct 2005 22:33:10 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9427B86B11; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:33:10 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 14:33:10 -0800 Received: from [68.125.54.97] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 14:33:10 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051001223310.9427B86B11@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ALERT - May be losing another AMS station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=p_XnVkHBlAJOf8MH-fX6YW_aROJJL7c2w-NoGs78LmLBYV7TSA X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ A very reliable source in Sacramento says KCTC is, indeed,=20 dropping the standards format, but is unsure of the "talk"=20 content that it may have, based on KSAC 1240's recent changes... If true, this is very depressing. KCTC's audience ratings are=20 still very high, but, as I've touched upon before, no one wants=20 to buy advertising on a station with a 50+ audience, or the=20 sales staff is too young to understand how to sell the format... Keeping an eye on Infinity, or whoever owns KCTC these days (not Tribune Broadcasting anymore): --jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Arnold" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} ALERT - May be losing another AMS station Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:23:19 -0800 >=20 > > From today's All Access news report... > If KCTC DOES change, it's likely the end of some fine-sounding > AM Stereo on 1320, as was the case when KSAC 1240 dropped theirs > years ago... > --jay >=20 > Are changes coming to the liberal talk radio scene in SACRAMENTO? > Current AIR AMERICA RADIO affiliate K S A C-A M (1240 TALK CITY) > is running promos announcing the coming addition of JONES' STEPHANIE > MILLER and ED SCHULTZ, which would further reduce the AIR AMERICA > programming on the station (KSAC carries local shows with CHRISTINE > CRAFT and MARY JANE POPP, the syndicated BEV SMITH show, and > weekend sports and blues programming). >=20 > Could the moves be related to rumors of another liberal talker > signing on later this year, and could AIR AMERICA's programming be > headed to the new station? And could that station be ENTERCOM's > K C T C-A M, presently Adult Standards? Stay tuned.... >=20 > -- > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow = Pages >=20 > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.= asp?SRC=3Dlycos10 What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 01 17:31:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52097 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2005 00:31:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2005 00:31:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2005 00:31:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2005 00:31:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2005 00:31:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2005 00:31:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 00:31:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051001223310.9427B86B11@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2671 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.124.110.10 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ALERT - May be losing another AMS station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=iMaC38Qq_Tlsfp2izQynaAblHvOxu_vVCtZVHyAPjdq86WDM4m8G2ZEu-sY2TKNlCM1yDA5J X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > A very reliable source in Sacramento says KCTC is, indeed, > dropping the standards format, but is unsure of the "talk" > content that it may have, based on KSAC 1240's recent changes... > > If true, this is very depressing. KCTC's audience ratings are > still very high, but, as I've touched upon before, no one wants > to buy advertising on a station with a 50+ audience, or the > sales staff is too young to understand how to sell the format... > > Keeping an eye on Infinity, or whoever owns KCTC these days > (not Tribune Broadcasting anymore): > --jay > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay Arnold" > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} ALERT - May be losing another AMS station > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:23:19 -0800 > > > > > > From today's All Access news report... > > If KCTC DOES change, it's likely the end of some fine-sounding > > AM Stereo on 1320, as was the case when KSAC 1240 dropped theirs > > years ago... > > --jay > > > > Are changes coming to the liberal talk radio scene in SACRAMENTO? > > Current AIR AMERICA RADIO affiliate K S A C-A M (1240 TALK CITY) > > is running promos announcing the coming addition of JONES' STEPHANIE > > MILLER and ED SCHULTZ, which would further reduce the AIR AMERICA > > programming on the station (KSAC carries local shows with CHRISTINE > > CRAFT and MARY JANE POPP, the syndicated BEV SMITH show, and > > weekend sports and blues programming). > > > > Could the moves be related to rumors of another liberal talker > > signing on later this year, and could AIR AMERICA's programming be > > headed to the new station? And could that station be ENTERCOM's > > K C T C-A M, presently Adult Standards? Stay tuned.... > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/defau lt.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > > What's the GoldVine about? > < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/defau lt.asp?SRC=lycos10 Hi Gang That sucks guys. Well the owner of KCTC 1320 AM STEREO is Entercom. Well thats the only Am Stereo music station i can get in the Sacramento Ca area. KCBC 770 AM STEREO is mostly Bible talk. Any ETA on this? Jim Smith P.S I can get KABC 790 AM STEREO some times at night. JS From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Oct 01 18:17:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26029 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2005 01:17:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2005 01:17:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jiwire-member.com) (130.94.64.226) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2005 01:17:41 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dummy.domain.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81131E321F for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from your75ojnaappr (unknown [10.2.6.31]) by jiwire-member.com (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000001c5c6ef$11a86860$6801a8c0@your75ojnaappr> To: Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:27:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0539-3, 09/30/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 130.94.64.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John / Juan Gualda" Subject: Air America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=i9pwByeYYPkJPrQBcDRL2c5UW8Gkh0r5-rb8JbhzTVXV2CU X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just wanted to pass on a note about the demise of Air America. Yes, the rumour is they are losing money by the bucketload, but those who think this is the end of Liberal Talk are sadly mistaken. According to a nationally syndicated Talk Show host I am friends with, the "rumour" is that Randy Michaels will put together a lineup (maybe NOT 24 hours worth) of hosts for a new, upstart Network. he already owns the Ed Shultz show, and I imagine he will pick the carcass of the Air America leftovers....I imagine Randy Rhodes will be one of them. The ratings have not been all bad, but a 24 hour Liberal Network was not the best idea. I for the life of me couldn't stomach ANY political talk 24 hours a day. then again, I can't stomach more than 5 minutes of Hannity (called slanthead by Ed Shultz.....I don't get it). By the way, a former AM Stereo station will be returning to glorious Stereo again very soon. Details in a few days..... Juan Gualda Clear Lake, Iowa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Oct 01 18:17:43 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From w6yn@juno.com Sat Oct 01 20:59:47 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Oct 02 07:58:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4987 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2005 14:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2005 14:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2005 14:58:34 -0000 Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.218]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j92Ewpt7010785 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:58:51 -0400 X-ORBL: [68.22.242.188] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-22-242-188.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.242.188]) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id j92EwSCo052600 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:58:33 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c5c761$e6f6db60$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <001601c5c64d$5a546930$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 09:59:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0539-4, 10/02/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ALERT - May be losing another AMS station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=i4O5p51aJnEgQpiZP1KLMifHTsrSN47H6IjTOQmaTQH2Ot4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > The ONLY way to really fix the problem is for WLIB to go silent and give > WOWO their 1B signal back, then go hunt down Chris Underwood to do > overnights! Only then would 1190 be worth putting back in the memory of > the > car stereo. Being a citizen of the great state of Indiana, discussing WOWO is a sore spot that won't go away. I hope it was worth it in the long run, but for now it's been one massive, costly expense. They have yet to turn a dime from expanding their coverage. They will be in Chapter 13 within a year. Unfortunately, the court will sell WLIB and nothing will ever get WOWO back it's 1B status (although they remain notified to Mexico and Canada, and not a single of the applications for facility changes among stations on 1190 have been granted. The only problem, if WOWO got their 1B 50,000 status resumed, all you would gain is another station carrying Art Bell. -Jim- From petersdad2001@yahoo.com Sun Oct 02 23:36:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: petersdad2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58497 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2005 06:36:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2005 06:36:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2005 06:36:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2005 06:34:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2005 06:34:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:34:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 811 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.116.170.14 From: "Alan Oda" Subject: Re: KSAC AM 1240 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=79442875; y=RuH_mqen-k3DYYMVlsOQHOJGrESgwRqFkbJ9qAQsYhMXwU5mf-65QA X-Yahoo-Profile: petersdad2001 Hi all -- when I was living in the area during the late '70s and early '80s, it was indeed 1000 watts day / 250 night, but came in surprisingly well even after dark. They had installed Gregg Ogonowski's "Gregglabs" processor, it was amazing how good that station sounded before the entire KROY empire collapsed... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" wrote: > I think it was the same unless you're referring to it's Top 40 days. > I don't recall when Class IV stations were allowed to be 1000 watts > full-time but before that, it was 1 kw.- Days and 250 watts-night. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang I found out that KSAC AM 1240 is only 1 kw unlimited. > I wonder how much it was when it was KROY AM 1240. Jim Smith From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Oct 06 04:46:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89971 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2005 11:46:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2005 11:46:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2005 11:46:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2005 11:45:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2005 11:45:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2005 11:45:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:45:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 203 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.45.237 From: "Dave" Subject: OT: National Panasonic GV500 VCR on ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=kdvgMawvAZgOF4M2gT-j79fycJuV94tqLQxUFWvJj6UjhfGDMA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Hi and G'day all, I am selling my multi-system VCR covers all colour systems. More info at http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5814346951&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Dave UK From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Oct 06 10:31:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55365 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2005 17:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2005 17:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2005 17:31:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2005 17:31:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2005 17:31:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:31:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 900 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.45.237 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: FOUND AN AWESOME BOOK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=mr7U9XMLyM5IfTsr70VZ4y64xuEWtKtWjLIy6rlEkCJW0deuWw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JC" wrote: > Hey All, > > Haven't posted here in a while because I'm so darn busy! > Anyhow, I > was in the basement of my radio stations helping to move some office > furniture down there. I looked over on this shelf and there was this > book, AM Stereo & TV stereo: New Sound Dimensions" by Stan > Prentiss. > It was published in 1985 and has the most detailed description of all > five AM stereo systems that were around at that time. Re TV stereo so is the MTS system better than the German twin carrier system, dbx noise reduction was also used with this, is this right ? Why did the USA use a different standard anyway ? My technics cassette deck which I brought in 1989 also has dbx, certainly seems to give better results than than dolby b and c Have any US stations used nicam stereo (used in the UK and New Zealand etc) ? From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 07 00:04:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58104 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2005 07:03:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2005 07:03:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.211) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2005 07:03:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 51837 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2005 07:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.124.12.87 with login) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2005 07:03:58 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c5c80c$f5631000$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 04:24:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: Pioneer TX -520 AM FM Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=7aYiKP8c0_fnwM3pC4VI6mdXEyO1qWhVXDQsxjSJumLzGdX0_iMMU5o9XusDpyoTbUP3v7D5 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Dose any one know about a Pioneer TX 520 AM FM Tuner . The seller clames the it allso has AM STEREO . I little input would help . Ebay item # is 581273202. Thanks Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 07 05:27:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74900 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2005 12:27:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2005 12:27:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2005 12:27:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 40680 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2005 12:27:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20051007122726.40678.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 05:27:26 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 05:27:26 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: BE Transmitter C-Quam upgrade anyone? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=6bQMj9HvmKrcIID2oS-oSdc_hetZalEf0uhvVqJ2gvpQWL6O69FZLkc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Any engineers out there have a recent issue B.E. transmitter? There's a chance to add a C-Quam card to it...how 'bout you EE's out there in Indy, Miami, Minneapolis? __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Oct 07 17:34:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24978 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2005 00:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2005 00:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2005 00:34:35 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:34:35 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 70.197.62.129 by BAY101-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 00:34:34 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:37:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2005 00:34:35.0145 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EAE7F90:01C5CBA0] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FOUND AN AWESOME BOOK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=eWYVDTu0lxXXzcEl3yXNe78UGaYqQpKqenBf4DJLF6nFmgqzVNIIY7Kw88rrPw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Dave wrote: > Re TV stereo so is the MTS system better than the German twin carrier > system, no > > dbx noise reduction was also used with this, is this right ? Yes, the MTS Stereo standard uses dbx, but it is NOT the same dbx as used in analog tape recorders. > > Why did the USA use a different standard anyway ? So the Stereo signal would fit in the NTSC channel and be compatible with existing Mono TVs. > > My technics cassette deck which I brought in 1989 also has dbx, certainly > seems to give better results than than dolby b and c In a perfect world on perfect tape on a perfect machine, DBX is far better than Dolby B or C. However, Dolby B can be played back on Non-Dolby machines just by turing down the Treble. Dolby C can be played back on Dolby B machines, and still sound decent. You must play back a dbx encoded tape on a dbx machine, and if the tape is a wee bit "hot", or the machine is not perfectly aligned, DBX can cause "pumping" in the audio. I got the best results on my TEAC dbx cassette deck using BASF IEC type II tape. "That's Tape!" brand "Chrome" tape also works well on it, but I have not seen That's Tape! in the stores in a long time. > > Have any US stations used nicam stereo None that I know of. Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Oct 07 18:29:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69788 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2005 01:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2005 01:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2005 01:29:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2005 01:29:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2005 01:29:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 01:29:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c5c80c$f5631000$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.73.4 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Pioneer TX -520 AM FM Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=JIh4u_jL9DwHYg9XRjB_uESeEvCcubmLoTLKFwSD-RLjBhgSKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Hi Gang Dose any one know about a Pioneer TX 520 AM FM Tuner . > The seller clames the it allso has AM STEREO . I little input > would help . Ebay item # is 581273202. Thanks Jim Smith I have a Pioneer TX-520. It does NOT have AM Stereo built-in, but it=20 does have an "AM Stereo Output" jack on the rear panel, as typical of=20 the early '80s. One of Chris Cuff's decoder boards can be added to=20 it, in which case it makes a pretty good AM Stereo tuner, although=20 only with analog tuning. It doesn't use any ceramic filters in its AM tuner, so its bandwidth can be adjusted by tweaking the IF coils. Sensitivity and selectivity are both quite good, but it's nothing=20 really spectacular. So rather than messing around with this kind of=20 tuner, I'd go for a _real_ AM Stereo tuner, like an MCS 3050, or one=20 of the Sonys or Sansuis that show up on eBay from time to time. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Oct 07 18:55:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10345 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2005 01:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2005 01:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2005 01:55:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2005 01:55:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2005 01:55:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 01:55:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.192.73.4 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: FOUND AN AWESOME BOOK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=Nn3u7OxbGrjaI1cgtbygTplGIBpZGlkje03Wa8YCayS_wGV5OQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I got the best results on my TEAC dbx cassette deck using BASF IEC > type II tape. "That's Tape!" brand "Chrome" tape also works well on > it, but I have not seen That's Tape! in the stores in a long time. Is anyone making/selling "Metal" (Type IV) tape anymore? I can find=20 plenty of "Chrome" (CrO2 / Type II) tape, but Metal casettes seem to=20 be nowhere to be found. Anyway, here's a web site with some general info on cassettes and=20 noise reduction systems. It doesn't mention dbx, but it does provide=20 a basic layout of the differences between Dolby B, C, and S NR. It=20 was obviously written by a non-native speaker of English, but it's=20 still mostly understandable and correct: http://stephan.win31.de/tech_en.htm Dolby S NR was a great idea, but never really caught on because it=20 was too "expensive" for most consumer-grade tape decks to include it. Sony's "ES" series of tape decks has/had Dolby S, but otherwise it=20 was hard to find, and I've never seen a car stereo head unit with Dolby S. (Some high-end car stereos from the '80s and early '90s did have dbx noise reduction, though.) From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Oct 07 20:12:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72576 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2005 03:12:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2005 03:12:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2005 03:12:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:12:32 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 70.197.62.129 by BAY101-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 03:12:32 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 23:12:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2005 03:12:32.0894 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FDC39E0:01C5CBB6] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FOUND AN AWESOME BOOK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Bo7wgysnfhXJgVu9IgOCfWSouVsLhB0uDLOzuv3fJ_kCdjYs44QqMj24fovkIw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T wrote: > Is anyone making/selling "Metal" (Type IV) tape anymore? SKC still makes the "ZX" series of Metal Tape. You can buy it here: http://www.tapeplus.com/audio-tape-type-iv-metal-cassette-tape.html Kevin in Tampa There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Oct 07 20:55:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93220 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2005 03:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2005 03:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2005 03:55:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 58729 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2005 03:55:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20051008035505.58724.qmail@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [60.234.212.159] by web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 20:55:05 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:55:05 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1128714133.269.21372.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1693 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915; y=5U9QavLtMYnYDlp00UZ3Z9jEyXcpeX9GnMSzlsOBvLescUjkHw X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim The TX 560A has AM stereo. Michael in wet wild and stormy and cold N.Z. amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 04:24:02 -0700 From: Subject: Pioneer TX -520 AM FM Tuner Hi Gang Dose any one know about a Pioneer TX 520 AM FM Tuner . The seller clames the it allso has AM STEREO . I little input would help . Ebay item # is 581273202. Thanks Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2005 05:30:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2005 05:30:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 05:30:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.123.98.103 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Pioneer TX -520 AM FM Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=PkxjABClB_ytqV0hO1ftpP9LuJ-lpXJQBSPTfI20VhkS6WY9odO76B88ktNrb9ziZV_6l95r X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > > > Hi Gang Dose any one know about a Pioneer TX 520 AM FM Tuner . > > The seller clames the it allso has AM STEREO . I little input > > would help . Ebay item # is 581273202. Thanks Jim Smith >=20 > I have a Pioneer TX-520. It does NOT have AM Stereo built-in, but it=20 > does have an "AM Stereo Output" jack on the rear panel, as typical of=20 > the early '80s. One of Chris Cuff's decoder boards can be added to=20 > it, in which case it makes a pretty good AM Stereo tuner, although=20 > only with analog tuning. It doesn't use any ceramic filters in its > AM tuner, so its bandwidth can be adjusted by tweaking the IF coils. > Sensitivity and selectivity are both quite good, but it's nothing=20 > really spectacular. So rather than messing around with this kind of=20 > tuner, I'd go for a _real_ AM Stereo tuner, like an MCS 3050, or one=20 > of the Sonys or Sansuis that show up on eBay from time to time. > Hi Thank you Kevin. I have two 3050's. I all way loved Pioner=20 though. I hope to give some good news about some AM stations soon. Jim=20 Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 07 22:38:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48472 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2005 05:38:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2005 05:38:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2005 05:38:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2005 05:38:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2005 05:38:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 05:38:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051008035505.58724.qmail@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.123.98.103 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1693 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=9onySW2GRLnUe1_5XUR-GmdlZyGYGmw54M_OE7Gd-XT9gGedKRf5KsD_wj-jteePzMd-Yo53 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross=20 wrote: > >=20 > Jim=20 >=20=20 > The TX 560A has AM stereo. > Michael in wet wild and stormy and cold N.Z. >=20=20 >=20 > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: >=20 >=20 > Message: 1=20 > Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 04:24:02 -0700 > From:=20 > Subject: Pioneer TX -520 AM FM Tuner >=20 > Hi Gang Dose any one know about a Pioneer TX 520 AM FM Tuner . The=20 seller clames the it allso has AM STEREO . I little input would=20 help . Ebay item # is 581273202. Thanks Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 > Michael&Ross >=20=09=09 > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Michael and Ross Thank you for the input but my house is not=20 wired for 230 vac just 120vac. Jim Smith From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Oct 08 16:50:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33437 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2005 23:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2005 23:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2005 23:50:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 16:49:22 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.47 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 23:49:21 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereo@bellsouth.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 23:49:20 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2005 23:49:22.0037 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7F4D250:01C5CC62] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 4:13:32:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: MSNBC - Delphi files for bankruptcy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 This was a shock to me, DELPHI is also a partner with XM satellite radio, i= n that they produce some of the recievers for XM. Donn http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9618565/print/1/displaymode/1098/ ________________________________________ MSNBC.com Delphi files for bankruptcy=20 Auto-parts maker to continue negotiations with UAW, GM The Associated Press Updated: 4:36 p.m. ET Oct. 8, 2005 DETROIT - Delphi Corp., the nation=E2=80=99s largest auto supplier, filed f= or bankruptcy Saturday, sending shock waves through a U.S. auto industry al= ready weakened by high labor costs and falling market share. Delphi=E2=80=99s bankruptcy, which is expected to result in plant closures = and layoffs, is one of the largest in U.S. history. Delphi filed to reorganize its U.S. operations in federal bankruptcy court = in New York, where a hearing was scheduled Saturday. Delphi=E2=80=99s non-U= .S. operations were not included in the filing. Delphi Chairman and CEO Robert S. Miller said the company hopes to emerge f= rom Chapter 11 in early to mid-2007. =E2=80=9CWe will make every effort to make this as quick as possible,=E2=80= =9D Miller told The Associated Press on Saturday. Negotiations with GM, UAW Miller, a restructuring expert who was hired in July, had threatened to tak= e the company into bankruptcy if he failed to reach a restructuring agreeme= nt with Delphi=E2=80=99s former parent, General Motors Corp., and its large= st union, the United Auto Workers. Miller set a deadline of Oct. 17, when U= .S. bankruptcy laws are scheduled to change. Miller said Delphi will continue negotiating with GM and the UAW to lower i= ts labor costs. Miller said the three parties agreed to continue their disc= ussions after a bankruptcy filing. =E2=80=9CWe mutually concluded there was still too much of the complex work= yet to be done,=E2=80=9D Miller said. =E2=80=9CIt was not going to be effi= cient to work right up to the midnight deadline to the change in the law.= =E2=80=9D Miller said nothing will change immediately. Delphi will continue to pay it= s 50,000 U.S. employees and suppliers and will ship its products on schedul= e. Delphi has 31 plants in 13 states, including Michigan, Ohio, Alabama and= California. The company has 185,000 employees worldwide. =E2=80=9CWe are not going to adversely affect our customers,=E2=80=9D he sa= id. =E2=80=9COur people will get their pay checks and will still have their= health benefits. Retirees will continue to get their checks. Any changes t= o that will be dealt with in an orderly way.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=98Rough few months=E2=80=99 Jim Gillette, supplier analyst for CSM Worldwide in Grand Rapids, said he e= xpects a number of underperforming plants to be shuttered or sold and that = the negotiations with GM and the UAW will be key to determining how many. H= e also said the bankruptcy could prompt other companies to file, too. =E2=80=9CThis is not going to be an isolated incident,=E2=80=9D he said. = =E2=80=9CIt=E2=80=99s really going to be a rough few weeks and a rough few = months for the industry.=E2=80=9D GM said it planned to work with Delphi, the courts and the unions as the au= to supplier restructures, and acknowledged the filing could cause supply pr= oblems in the future. Delphi will finance its operations with $4.5 billion in loans, including up= to $2 billion in debtor-in-possession financing from a group of lenders le= d by JPMorgan Chase Bank and Citigroup Global Markets Inc. Based in the Detroit suburb of Troy, Delphi has struggled to make a profit = since GM spun it off in 1999. It lost $4.8 billion in 2004 and nearly $750 = million in the first half of this year. Delphi, No. 63 on the 2005 Fortune 500 list of the country=E2=80=99s larges= t corporations, had listed $17.1 billion in assets and $22.2 billion in deb= t in Saturday=E2=80=99s bankruptcy petition. The company had $4.3 billion i= n unfunded pension liabilities at the end of 2004, according to a company f= iling with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. The largest corporate bankruptcy in the U.S. was WorldCom Inc., which had $= 103.9 billion in pre-bankruptcy assets. Industry struggle Like Tower Automotive Inc. and other auto suppliers who have recently decla= red bankruptcy, Delphi has struggled with the high cost of steel and other = raw materials as well as U.S. production cuts. But Delphi also blamed its spinoff agreement with GM for saddling it with h= igh labor costs. Under the agreement, Delphi is required to pay GM wages of= $27 an hour to most of its 24,000 UAW-represented workers. That=E2=80=99s = double the level of competing suppliers, according to Standard & Poor=E2=80= =99s Ratings Services. Delphi also had to pay full wages and benefits to 4,= 000 laid-off workers in jobs banks, which cost it $400 million each year. Delphi has a total of 30,000 U.S. hourly employees and 12,000 hourly retire= es. About 6,000 hourly employees are represented by other unions, including= the International Union of Electronic Workers/Communications Workers of Am= erica. Delphi and GM have been tightlipped about the negotiations. But a letter se= nt from UAW leaders to union members in Kokomo, Ind., earlier this week sai= d Delphi asked the UAW to accept wage cuts of more than 50 percent, to $10-= $12 an hour, and eliminate the jobs bank. Delphi also called for a reductio= n in health care benefits and vacation time. Delphi also has been plagued by an accounting scandal that the FBI and the = SEC are now investigating. Six people have resigned because of the investig= ation, including Delphi=E2=80=99s former Chief Financial Officer Alan Dawes= . Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may= not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. =C2=A9 2005 MSNBC.com URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9618565/ From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Oct 08 23:16:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44819 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2005 06:16:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2005 06:16:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 06:16:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135; y=AjHIfCl7-2K_P6hcMeX8ZRYcleL9jnLOQY-kgk4i60-t X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 09 Oct 2005 06:16:35 -0000 > From: "John P." >Subject: BE Transmitter C-Quam upgrade anyone? > >Any engineers out there have a recent issue B.E. transmitter? There's a chance >to add a C-Quam card to it...how 'bout you EE's out there in Indy, Miami, > Minneapolis? John, I've had dealings with three B.E. transmitters and all of them came ready for C-Quam operation. I'm most certain that for now, one could get the card to add C-Quam operations without much of a hassle if your B.E. transmitter did not have one. Bob Carter - KC4QLP From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sun Oct 09 14:10:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78123 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2005 21:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2005 21:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 21:10:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2005 21:10:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2005 21:10:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 21:10:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.130.228.34 From: "Tom" Subject: 1510 ready for Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=_6tyneJ7gb5EQNJ0_qBVV_uERQKSjp1uDq4l-tAcc_Z1e-1AZYHYiCy6 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 In a story in the Datebook section in the San Francisco Chronicle, Ben=20 Fong-Torres mentioned that KPIG at 1510 will turn on their stereo=20 light later this month.=20=20 From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Oct 09 15:32:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66345 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2005 22:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2005 22:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.139) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 22:32:21 -0000 Received: from storefull-3335.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 0F78BD858 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 15:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3335.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id PAA11743; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 15:26:20 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAuEpjlXQ8IyJlMHQbH0xmEYtYmjcCFBAVfJoLfDY53b6N4kDAHCn0f1hm Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:26:20 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <28527-4349990C-6030@storefull-3335.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 9 Oct 2005 18:37:10 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1695 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=y3bVOeAA3yOwl01xX1rQ-yugGvI35C9SgzSnZ_-9dtWOvHTTVA X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 I find Don Tillman's report on Delphi interesting, as the company I work for distributes Delphi XM Sky-fi radios, kits, etc... There are some other XM receivers out there, But the Delphi made units are the main one's out there. Delphi (Delco) much like Visteon, is having difficult times being a spin off of their parent automaker(s) i e General Motors, Ford. Many Legacy companies in auto manufacturing, the older Air Lines, Former AT&T & ( Bell System ) operating companies all have long term commitments to retirees, union workers, high health care costs. etc... Making it harder to complete with newer or off shore companies, competitors.... From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Oct 09 16:02:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8694 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2005 23:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2005 23:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.96) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 23:02:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 16:02:11 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.46 by BAY106-DAV24.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 23:02:10 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 23:02:09 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2005 23:02:11.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B0BEBB0:01C5CD25] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1695(DELPHI) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Here's an AP article in from today's(Sunday 9 Oct 2005) Columbus Dispatch I didn't realize DELPHI had so many plants throughout OHIO; hope no one on = this list will be effected directly or indirectly by these job losses. Donn 27.761 latitude north _____________________________________ THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH =20=20 AUTOMOTIVE-PARTS GIANT=20 Delphi seeks protection from creditors=20 Sunday, October 09, 2005 Dee - Ann Durbin=20 ASSOCIATED PRESS=20 =20=20 DETROIT =E2=80=94 The nation=E2=80=99s largest auto-parts supplier filed fo= r bankruptcy-court protection yesterday, sending shock waves through the U.= S. auto industry, already weakened by high labor costs and falling market s= hare.=20 Delphi Corp.=E2=80=99s bankruptcy filing, which is expected to result in pl= ant closures and layoffs, is one of the largest in U.S. history. The compan= y employs more than 700 union members at its Columbus plant on Georgesville= Road, where it makes automotive latches and components, and a total of mor= e than 13,000 at plants in seven Ohio cities.=20 Delphi filed to reorganize its U.S. operations in federal bankruptcy court = in New York, where a hearing was held yesterday on requests that it be allo= wed to continue operating. Delphi=E2=80=99s non-U.S. operations were not in= cluded in the filing.=20 Delphi Chairman and CEO Robert S. Miller said the company hopes to emerge f= rom Chapter 11 in early to mid-2007.=20 "We will make every effort to make this as quick as possible," Miller said = yesterday.=20 Miller, a restructuring expert who was hired in July, had threatened to tak= e the company into bankruptcy court if he failed to reach a restructuring a= greement with Delphi=E2=80=99s former parent, General Motors Corp., and its= largest union, the United Auto Workers. Miller had set a deadline of Oct. = 17, when U.S. bankruptcy laws are scheduled to change.=20 Miller said Delphi will continue negotiating with GM and the UAW to lower i= ts labor costs. Miller said the three parties agreed to continue their disc= ussions after the bankruptcy filing.=20 "We mutually concluded there was still too much of the complex work yet to = be done," Miller said. "It was not going to be efficient to work right up t= o the midnight deadline to the change in the law."=20 UAW officials blasted Delphi=E2=80=99s decision to file for bankruptcy one = day after sweetening the severance packages of 21 top executives to help pe= rsuade them to stay at the company.=20 "Once again, we see the disgusting spectacle of the people at the top takin= g care of themselves at the same time they are demanding extraordinary sacr= ifices from their hourly workers, engineers, administrative and support sta= ff, midlevel managers and others," union leaders said in a statement.=20 Delphi said it made the change after determining that its severance package= for top executives was not competitive.=20 John Butler Jr., a bankruptcy attorney for the company, said Delphi would a= ttempt "some restructuring of its collectivebargaining agreements" during t= he reorganization. Delphi=E2=80=99s contract with the UAW expires in Octobe= r 2007.=20 Delphi also intends to try to scale back pension benefits, Butler said duri= ng yesterday=E2=80=99s hearing. "The current level of retirement benefits i= s unsustainable and will eventually sink the company," he said.=20 Miller said nothing will change immediately. Delphi will continue to pay it= s 50,000 U.S. employees and suppliers and will ship its products on schedul= e. Delphi has 31 plants in 13 states, including Michigan, Ohio, Alabama and= California. The company has 185,000 employees worldwide.=20 "We are not going to adversely affect our customers," he said. "Our people = will get their paychecks and will still have their health benefits. Retiree= s will continue to get their checks. Any changes to that will be dealt with= in an orderly way."=20 Jim Gillette, supplier analyst for CSM Worldwide in Grand Rapids, Mich., sa= id he expects that a number of underperforming plants will be shuttered or = sold and that the negotiations with GM and the UAW will be key to determini= ng how many.=20 GM said it planned to work with Delphi, the courts and the unions as the pa= rts supplier restructures and acknowledged that the filing could cause supp= ly problems.=20 Delphi will finance its operations with $4.5 billion in loans, including up= to $2 billion in debtor-in-possession financing from a group of lenders le= d by JPMorgan Chase Bank and Citigroup Global Markets Inc.=20 Based in the Detroit suburb of Troy, Delphi has struggled to make a profit = since GM spun it off in 1999. It lost $4.8 billion in 2004 and nearly $750 = million in the first half of this year.=20 Delphi had listed $17.1 billion in assets and $22.2 billion in debt in yest= erday=E2=80=99s bankruptcy petition. The company had $4.3 billion in unfund= ed pension liabilities at the end of 2004, according to a company filing wi= th the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.=20 Like Tower Automotive Inc. and other auto-parts suppliers who have recently= sought bankruptcy-court protection, Delphi has struggled with the high cos= t of steel and other raw materials as well as U.S. production cuts.=20 But Delphi also blamed its spinoff agreement with GM for saddling it with h= igh labor costs. Under the agreement, Delphi is required to pay GM wages of= $27 an hour to most of its 24,000 UAW workers. That=E2=80=99s double the l= evel of competing suppliers, according to Standard & Poor=E2=80=99s Ratings= Services. Delphi also had to pay full wages and benefits to 4,000 laid-off= workers in jobs banks, which cost it $400 million each year.=20 Delphi and GM have been tightlipped about their negotiations. But a letter = sent from UAW leaders to union members in Kokomo, Ind., this week said Delp= hi has asked the UAW to accept wage cuts of more than 50 percent, to $10-$1= 2 an hour, and eliminate the jobs bank. Delphi also called for a reduction = in health-care benefits and vacation time.=20 Copyright =C2=A9 2005, The Columbus Dispatch _____________________ -----Original Message----- From: oldphones@webtv.net Sent: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 15:26:20 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1695 I find Don Tillman's report on Delphi interesting, as the company I work for distributes Delphi XM Sky-fi radios, kits, etc...=20=20 There are some other XM receivers out there, But the Delphi made units are the main one's out there. Delphi (Delco) much like Visteon, is having difficult times being a spin off of their parent automaker(s) i e General Motors, Ford.=20 Many Legacy companies in auto manufacturing, the older Air Lines, Former AT&T & ( Bell System ) operating companies all have long term commitments to retirees, union workers, high health care costs. etc... Making it harder to complete with newer or off shore companies, competitors.... From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Oct 10 12:09:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48876 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2005 19:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2005 19:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 19:09:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:09:39 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.41 by BAY106-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:09:37 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereo@bellsouth.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:09:38 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2005 19:09:39.0242 (UTC) FILETIME=[297508A0:01C5CDCE] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.75 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Happy Thanksgiving (Maple Leaf and pumpkin pie not included!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 To Marv and those in N.S. and everyone posting and lurking on these lists, = north of the border (except Windsor, where you're south of the border/Detro= it!)............. HAPPY THANKSGIVING! Give Thanks and don't eat too much! :) Donn 27.761 latitude north (still waiting for that first cool front!) florida_amstereo@hotmail.com From zebra@strangeanimals.net Mon Oct 10 17:23:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41685 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2005 00:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2005 00:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 00:23:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 00:23:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 00:23:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:23:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.181.46.4 From: "amradiozebra" Subject: 1510 AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593; y=5VYckSml-ZLnw8YgWMNuYW3orwRHeg23dv7ZvSduOtV9hpJXhQptpE8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra Yay- finally a radio station run by humans in San Francisco. And I happen to /like/ KPIG, too. I sold my AM stereo radios, so I guess I'll have to retrofit a couple radio= s! But I have a couple chriss cuff boards and a couple fancy 7.5K wide ceramic= filters. woot and stuff like that there. From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Mon Oct 10 23:28:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28539 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2005 06:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2005 06:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 06:28:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 06:28:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 06:28:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 06:28:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: 1510 AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=P4vrbdwNdwPLlVHxATXbiy0-93HeYNXNDDfWWw11Ip0ujKbRicHy X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Hello, It is encouraging that two radio stations (KPIG and KRIB) have=20 decided to resume AM stereo broadcasting in the past two weeks.=20=20 What is KPIG's format? Judging from my mail, there is a group planning to purchase an AM station in Arkansas, and launching AM stereo in the future (I do not have any further details).=20=20 I also have AM stereo decoders and tuners available, if=20 interested.=20 73, Jeff Deck http://Meduci.com You write: >Yay- finally a radio station run by humans in San Francisco. >And I happen to /like/ KPIG, too. >I sold my AM stereo radios, so I guess I'll have to retrofit a couple >radios! >But I have a couple chriss cuff boards and a couple fancy 7.5K wide >ceramic filters. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 11 08:54:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73399 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2005 15:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2005 15:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO UNKNOWN-66-94-237-18.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.18) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 15:54:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 15:53:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 15:53:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:53:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.124.96.240 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: 1510 AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=wPUuC2_W7Z5NxsV71uyTYlfAg3KRRkucCl0RQgXHe07EYKnjzHeIn4eOFOGPyoZ98kcIfTPK X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001"=20 wrote: > > Hello, >=20 > It is encouraging that two radio stations (KPIG and KRIB) have=20 > decided to resume AM stereo broadcasting in the past two weeks.=20=20 > What is KPIG's format? >=20 > Judging from my mail, there is a group planning to purchase an > AM station in Arkansas, and launching AM stereo in the future (I do > not have any further details).=20=20 >=20 > I also have AM stereo decoders and tuners available, if=20 > interested.=20 >=20 > 73, > Jeff Deck > http://Meduci.com >=20 > You write: > >Yay- finally a radio station run by humans in San Francisco. > >And I happen to /like/ KPIG, too. > >I sold my AM stereo radios, so I guess I'll have to retrofit a=20 couple > >radios! > >But I have a couple chriss cuff boards and a couple fancy 7.5K wide > >ceramic filters. > Hi Gang Good to hear from you agan Jeff!!! I am allso glad to=20 hear that some am stations are turning back on there Am Stereo=20 signals agan. The only bummer is that thay do say that thay are in=20 stereo on there web sites!!! jim S From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 11 09:06:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39459 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2005 16:06:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2005 16:06:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.211) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 16:06:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 27539 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2005 16:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.124.96.240 with login) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 16:06:24 -0000 Message-ID: <001001c5c84b$13cf9200$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:48:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: KCTC AM STEREO 1320 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=ZiIMkejHXAXzWK8YMVNjMWBlQY-GJIX_un_8zeIhLqyaJAT9LYuGyi5xkiiTyHpU5gqb8KmG X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I had wrote Entercom Sacrameto. And i said that we have enofe AM talk stations and not enofe AM music stations. I allso said that if thay still wanted to make a change why not try classic country. All we have is new country KNCI FM 105.1 YUK!!!!! Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 11 09:08:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85897 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2005 16:08:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2005 16:08:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 16:08:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 16:08:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 16:08:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:08:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.124.96.240 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: 1510 AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=g9id970krS-r8yTyr4hVQ4rSrg2sawQn8Zw5gGOBCpFJvSLs2N8KqKSu-r2SCRmEnabJY57i X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith"=20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001"=20 > wrote: > > > > Hello, > >=20 > > It is encouraging that two radio stations (KPIG and KRIB) have=20 > > decided to resume AM stereo broadcasting in the past two weeks.=20=20 > > What is KPIG's format? > >=20 > > Judging from my mail, there is a group planning to purchase an > > AM station in Arkansas, and launching AM stereo in the future (I=20 do > > not have any further details).=20=20 > >=20 > > I also have AM stereo decoders and tuners available, if=20 > > interested.=20 > >=20 > > 73, > > Jeff Deck > > http://Meduci.com > >=20 > > You write: > > >Yay- finally a radio station run by humans in San Francisco. > > >And I happen to /like/ KPIG, too. > > >I sold my AM stereo radios, so I guess I'll have to retrofit a=20 > couple > > >radios! > > >But I have a couple chriss cuff boards and a couple fancy 7.5K=20 wide > > >ceramic filters. > > > Hi Gang Good to hear from you agan Jeff!!! I am allso glad to=20 > hear that some am stations are turning back on there Am Stereo=20 > signals agan. The only bummer is that thay do'nt say that thay are=20 in=20 > stereo on there web sites!!! jim S > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 11 09:16:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78112 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2005 16:16:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2005 16:16:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 16:16:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 16:15:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 16:15:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:15:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c5c84b$13cf9200$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.124.96.240 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KCTC AM STEREO 1320 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=wmQtmde0tDIrqxd12iwii5dDJVjHDtpCU6Ft_YZ0L3NgL0vNGAoGcwIB0JvUuxf_CALI3W3f X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang I had wrote Entercom Sacrameto. And i said that we have=20 enofe AM talk stations and not enofe AM music stations. I allso said=20 that if thay still wanted to make a change why not try classic=20 country. All we have is new country KNCI FM 105.1 YUK!!!!! Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > P.S If you want to wright KCTC AM STEREO 1320=20=20 Entercom Sacramento 5345 Madison Ave Sacramento Ca 95841 Thanks Jim S From zebra@strangeanimals.net Tue Oct 11 13:59:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79007 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2005 20:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2005 20:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 20:59:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 20:39:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 20:39:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:39:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.181.46.4 From: "amradiozebra" Subject: re: KPIGs format X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593; y=CxvTPDy_PmpTpHhkLnCM-HoZDpEMHHzPBP_gnEpG2vJkXC4Cg4Sojok X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra KPIG plays what is called "americana". perhaps they coined the term. I wouldn't be suprised, as they basically pulled this=20 format out of their er.. tush. It's a mix of a sort of countrified pop music, comedy bits, greatful dead and frends, and a=20 little bit of "whatever" thrown in. They have=20 a "frequent play" list, but the DJs also take=20 requests and play whatever strikes their fancy, and live music and bluegrass on sunday. It's a mixed bag, and there are some cannabis=20 references that may offend. Before the=20 current crackdown there was the /occasional/ vulgarity, as they didn't bleep the music. Overall, if you have a musically open mind there is a lot of good stuff to listen to. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Oct 11 23:07:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83540 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2005 06:07:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2005 06:07:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2005 06:07:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2005 06:06:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2005 06:06:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:06:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c5c84b$13cf9200$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.23.21 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: KCTC AM STEREO 1320 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=sASjaHgp42GDyO_JmxZ20cIUgBQIhoi4z27K0bXNmPEEDWAK X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang I had wrote Entercom Sacrameto. And i said that we have=20 enofe AM talk stations and not enofe AM music stations. I allso said=20 that if thay still wanted to make a change why not try classic=20 country. All we have is new country KNCI FM 105.1 YUK!!!!! Jim Smith Bring back KRAK....... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (sick post-birthday mousie, back from Anaheim, with news that at least=20 one new SCA station has started in the LA/OC area- KOST 103.5 is doing=20 a relay of itself on 67kHz. Also, a weak reception of KCBS-FM reveals=20 they do have RRS (Radio Reading Services) in the morning, also on=20 67kHz. Otherwise, no SCA losses, as far as I can tell. Redding has 6=20 SCA services- 5 data and one voice- Relay of the local public radio=20 station. Didn't get a freq or call, but it had data on 67 and relay on=20 92.) From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 12 21:08:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12038 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2005 04:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2005 04:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2005 04:08:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 50329 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2005 04:08:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20051013040811.50327.qmail@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.155.122] by web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:08:11 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:08:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1129151331.1036.82503.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1698 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Kxmy6XbhafTyQEaYU2R5-PwCbk-N4fU4_Qpe03Memc3RSrbsyHtYq1Y X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Johnny Cash's last few releases were of the 'Americana' variety, and I think that even the record label and one his albums shared the same name. Unique music formats on AM, in CQuam AM Stereo is what will bring the folks to terrestrial radio... __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From k6BLABBER@comcast.net Wed Oct 12 23:25:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phonebone@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66522 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2005 06:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2005 06:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.95) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2005 06:25:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 54689 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2005 06:25:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20051013062537.54687.qmail@web81406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [144.160.130.16] by web81406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:25:37 PDT X-RocketYMMF: phonebone@sbcglobal.net Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:25:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1129151331.1036.82503.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Scott Campbell From: Scott Campbell Reply-To: blabber@mycingular.blackberry.net Subject: KCTC, KSAC, Air America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153105479; y=DoddGee_mij9e8JRl3x0ZmE95zF50dm5dVdRIE9AXkNstCp7 X-Yahoo-Profile: K6BLAbber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Air America leaves, but KSAC won't turn right By Sam McManis -- Sacramento Bee Staff Writer Photos | Related Stories | Multimedia | Talk Back   --> var stRRURL = "Sam McManis "; function getEmailVer() { window.top.location.href = "/tv_radio/v-email/story/13646333p-14488628c.html"; } function getPrintVer() { window.top.location.href = "/tv_radio/v-print/story/13646333p-14488628c.html"; } By Sam McManis Oct 1, 2005 Starting Monday, Talk City 1240 AM (KSAC) - the lone liberal talk-radio station in Sacramento - will cease broadcasting Air America. OAS_AD("Button20"); That doesn't mean that liberal voices in town will become muted. Talk City will retain the "progressive" format it debuted last year, with a new lineup of syndicated talkers to augment Christine Craft's local show, said KSAC general manager Paula Nelson-Redfield. Air America will be silent in Sacramento for a month before moving to KCTC (1320 AM) on Nov. 1, according to Air America spokeswoman Jamie Horn. "1320 AM is a more powerful station that will allow us to reach Stockton and Yuba City for the first time," Horn said in a prepared statement. Air America is best known for comedian Al Franken's morning show, which was airing between 9 and noon each weekday opposite Rush Limbaugh on KFBK (1530 AM). KCTC currently plays big band and popular music from the '40s and '50s. Several of the station's executives, including John Geary, general manager of Entercom, KCTC's parent company, did not return calls earlier this week for comment. The relationship between Talk City and Air America had deteriorated in recent months, Nelson-Redfield said. Still, she said she was disappointed at the decision to move. "I put a tremendous amount of resources building up their profile in Sacramento. I brought Al Franken here to talk at the Crest Theatre and it sold out," she said. "In fact, they originally didn't want to be in the Sacramento market. I convinced them they could get a following. Now, they snub their noses at us and go to another station." Air America has grown nationally to 222,000 daily listeners - still small compared with the 4.4 million who tune in to Limbaugh's show. In the most recent Arbitron rankings, KSAC finished 24th, with a 1.1 rating. Its conservative counterpart, KFBK, finished first overall with a 6.8 rating. "Our new lineup will be just as progressive as Air America is," Nelson-Redfield said. Craft's afternoon drive-time show will expand to three hours (from 3 to 6 p.m.). The other slots will be filled by Los Angeles standup comic-turned-pundit Stephanie Miller (6 to 9 a.m.), Thom Hartman (9 a.m. to noon) and Ed Schultz (noon to 3 p.m.). Miller, Schultz and Hartman's programs are syndicated through Washington, D.C.-based Democracy Radio. "I think listeners will find that the progressive message with our new hosts will not be watered down or censored," Nelson-Redfield said. How the change will really play out, though, is still to be measured. However, at least one Air America listener is optimistic. "I like the fact that we'll have a choice now," said Frank Weinstein of Roseville. "I'll probably try both stations." There are 2 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. re: KPIGs format From: "amradiozebra" 2. Re: KCTC AM STEREO 1320 From: "Amy Mousie" ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:39:49 -0000 From: "amradiozebra" Subject: re: KPIGs format KPIG plays what is called "americana". perhaps they coined the term. I wouldn't be suprised, as they basically pulled this format out of their er.. tush. It's a mix of a sort of countrified pop music, comedy bits, greatful dead and frends, and a little bit of "whatever" thrown in. They have a "frequent play" list, but the DJs also take requests and play whatever strikes their fancy, and live music and bluegrass on sunday. It's a mixed bag, and there are some cannabis references that may offend. Before the current crackdown there was the /occasional/ vulgarity, as they didn't bleep the music. Overall, if you have a musically open mind there is a lot of good stuff to listen to. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:06:50 -0000 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: KCTC AM STEREO 1320 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang I had wrote Entercom Sacrameto. And i said that we have enofe AM talk stations and not enofe AM music stations. I allso said that if thay still wanted to make a change why not try classic country. All we have is new country KNCI FM 105.1 YUK!!!!! Jim Smith Bring back KRAK....... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (sick post-birthday mousie, back from Anaheim, with news that at least one new SCA station has started in the LA/OC area- KOST 103.5 is doing a relay of itself on 67kHz. Also, a weak reception of KCBS-FM reveals they do have RRS (Radio Reading Services) in the morning, also on 67kHz. Otherwise, no SCA losses, as far as I can tell. Redding has 6 SCA services- 5 data and one voice- Relay of the local public radio station. Didn't get a freq or call, but it had data on 67 and relay on 92.) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------------------------------------------ === No trees were destroyed to send this e-mail. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. =^-,-^= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From k6BLABBER@comcast.net Wed Oct 12 23:28:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phonebone@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92072 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2005 06:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2005 06:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81406.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.95) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2005 06:28:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 54920 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2005 06:28:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20051013062848.54918.qmail@web81406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [144.160.130.16] by web81406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:28:48 PDT X-RocketYMMF: phonebone@sbcglobal.net Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:28:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1129151331.1036.82503.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Scott Campbell From: Scott Campbell Reply-To: blabber@mycingular.blackberry.net Subject: KCTC - KSAC Sacbee story link X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153105479; y=gfK9xqDVipEXRxHG5PTjRJRckM47TaiYUq_Uno_plPa0tHUS X-Yahoo-Profile: K6BLAbber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, that Sacbee article about KCTC and KSAC got mangled pretty ugly.. here's the link to the story: http://www.sacticket.com/tv_radio/story/13646333p-14488628c.html Scott === No trees were destroyed to send this e-mail. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. =^-,-^= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From phonebone@sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 13 19:05:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phonebone@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58413 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2005 02:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2005 02:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2005 02:05:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2005 02:05:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2005 02:05:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:05:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 144.160.130.16 From: "phonebone59" Subject: Re: KPIGs format X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=216647439; y=xdtz3vUAQdA-eAqhQPPvNApMbHZL1T5-MgFlxXLxTxhTLkm06gCk7uiSPuT-ZqqHMcg X-Yahoo-Profile: phonebone59 I remember KPIG, they're the "station formally known as" KFAT,=20 sorta... they were in Gilroy, "On the fat side of your dial!"=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amradiozebra" =20 wrote: > > KPIG plays what is called "americana"...... From w6yn@juno.com Fri Oct 14 15:51:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56396 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2005 22:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2005 22:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2005 22:51:12 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBXAPUZAJDUD62 for (sender ); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K7BCBGVP; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:50:49 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:48:30 -0700 Message-ID: <20051014.155036.2560.1.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,7-8 X-ContentStamp: 3:4:4177592152 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLA1jzOxWosofU0W27VJDZBI= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Final IBOC Rules soon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=RuJLkiHmtRmbi_MRUQ9xtBoaJu00r8XIUwWP1sbkGA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Final IBOC Rules by Early Next Year? During the digital radio session at AES, participants speculated about when the FCC might act on final IBOC rules for stations. NAB's David Layer said he believes the agency - which has called IBOC a "de facto standard" for terrestrial radio to go digital - will act on the issue late this year or early next. Skip Pizzi of Microsoft, sounded a cautionary note, saying digital rights management is a cloud hanging over the content industry and until that's settled, the IT industry likely would resist getting involved in digital radio with both feet. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Oct 14 18:19:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62956 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2005 01:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2005 01:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2005 01:19:35 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.171]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 20112604 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:19:10 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c5d126$be718400$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20051007122726.40678.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:20:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 3, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.212.171 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE Transmitter C-Quam upgrade anyone? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=AXsNU9Xe7asbEX732tmY9I1GebmTAZkFQFmFKykbUvsKKbUBuaVE X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Lot's of BE FMs in this market, but don't know of any on AM here. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > Any engineers out there have a recent issue B.E. transmitter? There's a chance > to add a C-Quam card to it...how 'bout you EE's out there in Indy, Miami, Minneapolis? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Oct 14 19:02:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20151 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2005 02:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2005 02:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2005 02:02:27 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.171]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 17437823 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:01:10 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <008201c5d12c$9cb37520$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:01:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 3, in=5, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.212.171 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: from the Broadcasters Clinic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=saM7KAllBhpgpaGrN9DDESWTziTAr8Tq0DXiSMCTPr0YdzmEda_b X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry I haven't posted in awhile, but did get a chance to talk to some folks at the Madison Broadcasters Clinic this past week. In talking with Greg Buchwald of Motorola, he's going to get me the DSP code for receiving CQUAM. I suspect this could be loaded into a receiver such as the Radiosophy to make it decode stereo. The bad news is that the Big M has spun off all its semiconductor production and the Symphony chip will not be in production, but he did say that Phillips and ST Micro do make DSP detector chips, so if we could get a hold of any of those they could be programmed with this code also. I'll have to ask him if Freescale (who bought the remainder of their semi production) has the masks, etc. for making the Symphony chips. If we could ever get a big enough order together, perhaps we could get this chip into production with AM stereo. Greg's talk was on the potential for massive IBOC interference on the AM dial. Measured with a very fine resolution scan on a spectrum analyzer, the IBOC carriers appear to meet the FCC NRSC mask. He showed that when measured with a broader resolution that the power in the IBOC sidebands were actually above the mask. He's part owner of a little 250w peanut whistle in Baraboo, WI on 740, which will be wiped out if WGN ever lights up an IBOC signal. Like many of us, he'd like to see most AMs moved to a new band for all digital- probably channels 5 and 6 once those are cleared away when analog TV goes away. He's got a petition before the FCC on this and I'd suggest commenting in agreement with it. Will get the details as I forgot to write them down. One other thing I learned- the stereo steering information for both AM and FM IBOC is a mere 5kb/s. The AM system is actually mono and the stereo is created with this steering info. Something hit me when I heard this- if this were only digital that was transmitted and could be done without interfering with the remaining analog, you could have surround-sound CQuAM! Even the FM system could remain essentially analog without this expensive travesty known as IBOC and still have the surround sound transmitted on a subcarrier that would be less than the current RBDS. Also got to talk with Mike McCarthy, an engineer in Chicago. There are two stations where he's installed AM stereo gear, but they haven't turned it on yet, and he wasn't at liberty to tell me which stations they were. Not sure what the hold-up is. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Fri Oct 14 21:27:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34523 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2005 04:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2005 04:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2005 04:27:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2005 04:15:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2005 04:08:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 04:08:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008201c5d12c$9cb37520$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.167.104.111 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: from the Broadcasters Clinic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=YAQEM2TMVPpqo3Kz9cM9un7MfjzFkhTAK5RrV4oslrmZzsBFBusI_w X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: =20 > Greg's talk was on the potential for massive IBOC interference on the AM = dial. Measured=20 with a very fine resolution scan on a spectrum analyzer, the IBOC carriers = appear to meet=20 the FCC NRSC mask. He showed that when measured with a broader resolution = that the=20 power in the IBOC sidebands were actually above the mask. He's part owner = of a little=20 250w peanut whistle in Baraboo, WI on 740, which will be wiped out if WGN e= ver lights up=20 an IBOC signal. Like many of us, he'd like to see most AMs moved to a new = band for all=20 digital- probably channels 5 and 6 once those are cleared away when analog = TV goes=20 away. He's got a petition before the FCC on this and I'd suggest commentin= g in=20 agreement with it. Will get the details as I forgot to write them down. I was under the impression that the FCC was already being petitioned to ope= n up channels=20 5 and 6 for emergency broadcast use. db From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 14 21:58:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69752 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2005 04:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2005 04:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2005 04:58:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 16408 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Oct 2005 04:58:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20051015045829.16406.qmail@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.155.122] by web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:58:29 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:58:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1129321986.159.3703.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1700 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=N2cjcWuLWeYMTjfHxPe_kfCGAku1cdY1nrCOS-guh-I75Xac8xZGkoc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio WOW - we made it to Digest #1700. Wasn't there a Peter Paul & Mary LP called #1700 (in glorious stereo)? __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Oct 14 23:41:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65703 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2005 06:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2005 06:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2005 06:41:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2005 06:41:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2005 06:41:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 06:41:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051015045829.16406.qmail@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.98.224 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1700 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=w6BD5jJBrvUflnVJXlg2-VLFb_p54d14_DXM4Ckh4BRsA4zJ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > WOW - we made it to Digest #1700. > Wasn't there a Peter Paul & Mary LP called #1700 (in glorious stereo)? Yes there was, and it was their Warner Bros. LP catalogue number. One of the important LPs of my childhood- Was one of my mother's=20 records, and one I enjoyed. The title is actually "Album 1700", and, as=20 you'd expect, it's on CD, these days. Good cover photo, too, with the trio dressed up in early-Depression-era=20 outfits surrounding a period car. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From nodigital@iinet.net.au Sun Oct 16 00:44:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: nodigital@iinet.net.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27819 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2005 07:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2005 07:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2005 07:44:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2005 07:44:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2005 07:44:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 07:44:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 203.217.58.14 From: "Warren McCowage" Subject: SONY ST-JX220A for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=240129661; y=PhuQPvzqOKRpsfb3GluS2QXWPfLPLAlnhHBy9bCcqLLizhC2eCuY5nwj X-Yahoo-Profile: warren_mccowage I have to move from a house to a bed-sit, so, some of my 29 tuners need to be sold. I've put my SONY tuner on eBay Australia if anybody is interested__ refer eBay #5819877019 From nodigital@iinet.net.au Sun Oct 16 00:45:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: nodigital@iinet.net.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32878 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2005 07:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2005 07:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au) (203.59.1.195) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2005 07:45:44 -0000 Received: from 203-217-58-14.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO [203.217.58.14]) ([203.217.58.14]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 16 Oct 2005 15:45:38 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43520522.1010401@iinet.net.au> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:45:38 +1000 Organization: nodigital User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 203.59.1.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:7:4:0 From: Warren McCowage Reply-To: nodigital@iinet.net.au Subject: SONY AM STEREO TUNER : FOR SALE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=240129661; y=AbdLZA9OY5iykwH6IYAUWsJdku7CUlPIuK6H-Ci1smf9LawvMlR06wLJ X-Yahoo-Profile: warren_mccowage eBay #5819877019 Sony ST-JX220A From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Oct 16 13:54:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19564 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2005 20:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2005 20:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2005 20:54:33 -0000 Received: from storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3203.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 9B147D638; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id NAA06289; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:54:32 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUArjphK3mox0RXbvIaOk4zzIZTzAoCFQCT9HjqBW1Q6iqOD/8K9e2JQiEM/A== Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:54:32 -0500 To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <28360-4352BE08-4497@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: David Hochfelder 's message of Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:44:47 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Observations with Delco UX-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=O3sNdzkP6n1Rp5qLiuSV5NDL7aDplKP0ud05720XWV78d-Q8ig X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 I just got my Delco UX1 hooked up after a long period in storage. The UX1 has an equalizer and can decode C-Quam AM Stereo. Very good DX er Car Radio 1110 KFAB Omaha --- No Iboc hiss on main channel, but IBOC very apparent on 1090 and 1130 > 20 Khz away from center carrier frequency. Much less hiss on 1100, 1120 > Surprised to observe this... PS: The IBOC does not light up the Stereo pilot. Also, KFAB appears to TURN OFF the Iboc during daytime Nebraska Cornhusker football games.... complaints, possibly?? 820 WBAP Fort Worth, Dallas is the ONLY night time DX station I still get an C-Quam AM Stereo pilot indication, Nothing on the big 4 Chicago stations or WJR. Could just be band CX, also..... Local 1620 KOZN "The Zone" Omaha (ESPN Radio) does not seem to have the AM stereo Q-Quam pilot on anymore... Bill Snyder - Omaha Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 597-5276 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Oct 16 15:37:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48582 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2005 22:37:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2005 22:37:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2005 22:37:08 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.183]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 17865882 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:37:06 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c5d2a2$7249c7e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:39:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 6, in=7, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.183 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: from the Broadcasters Clinic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=fbPoYbvhrBrR-bcv6p3DHxpvE4PS_pUsdae_OB9QGKj-8CwDRqGA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'm know there are many proposals for that slice of spectrum. What actually ends up happening will be entirely dependent upon politics (not necessarily Dem or Rep but lobbying from incumbent broadcasters.) Another thing at the Clinic I failed to mention was that I heard the venerable Orban 9100B will be discontinued at the end of this year or early next. Don't panic- in its place the new 9400 will do either IBOC OR CQuAM! I saw the CRL/Orban vehicle outside with it's racks of processors, had a listen and found the CRL Amigo AM sounded a world better than the 9200 they had on display. I happened to mention this observation to the guy at the Orban booth, and that's when I found out about the new processor having CQuAM compatibility. You could have knocked me over with a feather when I heard that. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "dbdigital2004" > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: Like many of us, he'd like to see most AMs moved to a new band for all > digital- probably channels 5 and 6 once those are cleared away when analog TV goes > away. He's got a petition before the FCC on this and I'd suggest commenting in > agreement with it. Will get the details as I forgot to write them down. > > I was under the impression that the FCC was already being petitioned to open up channels > 5 and 6 for emergency broadcast use. From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sun Oct 16 16:04:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11621 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2005 23:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2005 23:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.162.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2005 23:04:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:04:38 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.48.110.230 by BAY108-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:04:38 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:04:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2005 23:04:38.0751 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBE5DEF0:01C5D2A5] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.162.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: fs: Alfredo Lite 20mw CQuAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=dcS6ExZ7gFbB6FI1-LW1n5TW0JMvtEN78QaswaR6f0l_ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I'm buying a High Power 100mw with power supply. I'm selling my 20mw on 1000khz that runs on batteries for $75.00 Shipped Con-US Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis 908-537-2094 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Oct 16 17:44:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76865 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2005 00:44:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2005 00:44:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2005 00:44:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 00:38:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 00:38:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:38:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <28360-4352BE08-4497@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.7.134 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Observations with Delco UX-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=UEW_DR5VbUpj1uBjlLNX5dI0XRaDkrUzyxIyU0KYJMQPA23lcg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Also, KFAB appears to TURN OFF the Iboc during daytime Nebraska > Cornhusker football games.... complaints, possibly??=20 Most likely it's to eliminate the 8-1/2 second delay which IBOC adds,=20 so listeners can bring a radio to the game and hear the play-by-play=20 live. > 820 WBAP Fort Worth, Dallas is the ONLY night time DX station I > still get an C-Quam AM Stereo pilot indication, Nothing on the big > 4 Chicago stations or WJR. Could just be band CX, also.....=20 890 WLS from Chicago is still in full AM Stereo, as is 760 WJR from=20 Detroit. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Oct 16 17:55:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32278 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2005 00:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2005 00:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2005 00:55:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 00:53:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 00:53:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:53:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002601c5d2a2$7249c7e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.7.134 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: from the Broadcasters Clinic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=XbyMlwkZCV1bEFtozFLFxOXUqPD6yoL4Cl1Dsy1CaRV68hhMiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Another thing at the Clinic I failed to mention was that I heard > the venerable Orban 9100B will be discontinued at the end of this > year or early next. Don't panic- in its place the new 9400 will do > either IBOC OR CQuAM! > I saw the CRL/Orban vehicle outside with its racks of processors, > had a listen and found the CRL Amigo AM sounded a world better than > the 9200 they had on display. I happened to mention this > observation to the guy at the Orban booth, and that's when I found > out about the new processor having CQuAM compatibility. You could > have knocked me over with a feather when I heard that. Here's the announcement of the Optimod 9400: http://www.radioworld.com/dailynews/one.php?id=3D7813 As it says, "Both of the unit's processing chains are stereo, so the=20 unit also is suitable for AM Stereo. 'In this application, it=20 replaces Orban's popular Optimod-AM 9100B analog processor, which has=20 been in continuous production for 23 years,' the company stated." As for the mono-only Optimod 9200, it was rushed into production=20 before all-digital processing was ready for the prime-time, just like the 8200. It can get as loud as a 9100, but not as clean. It's a 1997 design, which at this point is ancient history as far as digital equipment is concerned. And you're right -- despite its simplicity, the CRL Amigo AM is=20 surprisingly competitive. I'd love to hear one with an Ariane in=20 front of it -- I think that'd be a hot ticket for sweet-sounding AM Stereo processing at quite a bit less than the cost of a 9100 or=20 new 9400. From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Mon Oct 17 03:46:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8037 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2005 10:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2005 10:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.172) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2005 10:46:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 43817 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2005 10:44:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20051017104459.43815.qmail@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.43.228.32] by web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:44:59 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:44:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereo , amstereo , amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jeff Deck Subject: New AM Stereo world tuner is available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=KhuDRklRAKY9nmpxue-tJWNBzmOJME2xGfyJOlg34aOiqX9L45tu X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5819074731 Hello, This AMX-2000 tuner is currently an eBay-exclusive offer. Future AM stereo tuners will each be auctioned with a "Buy it Now" price of $125. (Remember that the Realistic TM-152 was $59.95 in 1985, which is close to $125 in today's dollars). We can place any station identity, call sign or any other promotional information on the front panel of the tuner free of charge with your art work in BMP, JPG or comparable format (there are size restrictions). There is only one coupling capacitor per channel used in the entire audio path, so low frequency response is exceptional. This electrolytic aluminum capacitor is used to block D.C. to/from the tuner. In comparison, the TM-152 had to roll off the low frequencies using an active high pass analog filter, as the 25Hz pilot tone was aggressively amplified to maintain stereo lock when the tuner was moved. User supplies their own external indoor tunable loop antenna or short wire antenna. Both the Terk AM Advantage 1000 and Select-a-tenna are compatible with the AMX-2000 stereo AM tuner. For international markets, user supplies the 12-volt A.C output 500mA power pack. Also, the left and right line level audio outputs are ready for connection to user supplied stereo amplifier or receiver. Motorola "original McCoy" C-QuAM third generation AM stereo decoder chip is used for this AMX-2000 tuner. Advantages include true C-QuAM decryption, signal quality detector that analyzes received signal strength, signal-to-noise ratio and pilot tone before switching to stereo mode. A "blend function" has been added to improve the transition from monaural to stereo reception, as well as to blend back to mono when platform motion or co-channel occurs during skywave listening periods. Also included is precision digital countdown pilot tone detector, full-wave audio detection, synchronous detector, phase lock loop with divide by eight for master oscillator to reduce phase noise, and many other features, as listed in the online auction link below: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5819074731 73, Jeff Deck http://Meduci.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Oct 17 06:54:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35149 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2005 13:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2005 13:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2005 13:54:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 47399 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2005 13:53:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20051017135314.47397.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 06:53:14 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 06:53:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1129492738.2217.22302.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: CQ Narkspud, calling CQ for Mr. Narkspud X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=iKR5JrnoPmAJeuY8N2dU81UkM9vHeaKnljYuDnD5BqXpHSAKcGelyEw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey Narkspud, Any new vintage musical releases recently issued in stereo that would sound great on an AM stereo station? __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Oct 17 08:27:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69610 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2005 15:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2005 15:27:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2005 15:27:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 15:27:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 15:27:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:27:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051017135314.47397.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.89.146.146 From: "narkspud" Subject: Re: CQ Narkspud, calling CQ for Mr. Narkspud X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306; y=NJv2KCe-dQflxqipcLrk98ynwDKMAHGWTtna0K45xUI_D2U X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote= : > > Hey Narkspud,=20 >=20 > Any new vintage musical releases recently issued in stereo that would sou= nd > great on an AM stereo station? Don't ask me. Between my current financial status, the tendency for master= ing engineers=20 nowadays to clip the stuffin's out of their new "remasters" (I HATE that), = and the fact that I=20 already have most things that I would want on CD already, I haven't really = been paying any=20 attention. I'm not into the whole bachelor pad lounge music thing, where a= lot of the cool=20 stereo is. And as far as classic oldies are concerned, I don't think that = we're likely to get=20 much else in stereo, unless its a remix job like what Taragon did to the Re= d Bird stuff.=20=20 And as with Taragon, they usually screw those up so bad that the mono is pr= eferable. In=20 my vociferous opinion, anyway. On a non-oldie note, I did manage to belatedly get my mitts on Aselin Debis= on's debut=20 CD, and the track "Getting Dark Again" is a live-in-studio thing with some = really=20 spectacular stereo on it (and catchy as hell besides). But right now that'= s all I got. From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Oct 17 09:45:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32808 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2005 16:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2005 16:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2005 16:45:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 16:44:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 16:44:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:44:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 194.219.66.178 From: "Sotiris" Subject: FS: AM Stereo Tuner Sherwood Model TD130SB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=xPk1-FDkxk7MqOxyZuBtuQxp7k_qjWNomzmDYYXFGA8 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr There is an AM Stereo Tuner Sherwood Model TD130SB, at Ebay for=20 auction. Its from an Australian fellow that ccan sell it worldwide!=20 Price is extremelly low 20AU$!=20 Have already got two AM stereo tuners this week so can't buy a third=20 one... ;)=20 Regards From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Oct 17 09:49:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26068 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2005 16:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2005 16:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2005 16:49:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 16:47:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 16:47:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:47:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 194.219.66.178 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: FS: AM Stereo Tuner Sherwood Model TD130SB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=9P9N9iIVztZENeqDMg99pHHV6jHp5DFHg6uDO20xFP8 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Oooops forgit to mention the item nr :))=20 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5819897502=20 Sorry... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > There is an AM Stereo Tuner Sherwood Model TD130SB, at Ebay for=20 > auction. Its from an Australian fellow that ccan sell it worldwide!=20 > Price is extremelly low 20AU$!=20 > Have already got two AM stereo tuners this week so can't buy a third=20 > one... ;)=20 > Regards > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Oct 17 09:53:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 245 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2005 16:53:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2005 16:53:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2005 16:53:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 76231 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2005 16:52:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20051017165259.76229.qmail@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:52:58 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:52:58 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Good AM Stereo News! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=cGyyeOUOReuDG34ThLIX3P4WpeCBIzxqIjy9p61XfAhDRVv7j488ek0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio AM Stereo news from the pages of the October 2005 "Radio Guide" publication: Page 5 has a great ad for the Fanfare tuner (FTA-100P with AM Stereo) and Page 46 shows the new Orban AM9400 with STEREO ANALOG (like the 9100B) as it says "...the 9400 appropriate for CQUAM AM stereo installations..." Analog AM Stereo can continue on! Missing was any Kahn ads though. __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Oct 17 14:13:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52999 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2005 21:13:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2005 21:13:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2005 21:13:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 21:13:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 21:13:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:13:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.173.118.194 From: "amstereodude" Subject: From Greg Buchwald X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=gsypjzWDc5N6OkB_68z9dcgOccI9nUMQyRNBS_LJGUTGlShNJRYw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I got a reply from Greg on some of my questions, and for those wanting to add your support to his comments regarding moving most of the AM stations to a new digital band where channels 5 and 6 now reside here it is: My comments are part of the record for Docket 99-325 - the IBOC NPRM and FNPRM plus NRSC-5. You can see my comments made in mid-July, Replies in Mid-August, and ex-parte pleading in late August. It is not too late to file late comments; I suggest you do so as soon as possible - once the FCC sets a date for study / discussion, it will be too late. Al my filing are in my name: gregory j buchwald. To see the comments, go to www.fcc.gov, thenclick along the top to "search", on teh page that opens, on hte left hand side, you will see "seach for filed comments"; click the main or alt site. When the window opens, you only need fill in the docket number: "99-325" exactly like that without thye quotes. The pages will open and you can scroll down. Also, look for replies from Cohen, dippel, and everest: Don Everest furnished some very supportive comments on the use of channels 5 and 6. I have a call in to some people I know at freescale to find out about the mask set status - I am sure they still have it. I need to check on teh philips and ST part numbers and will do so as soon as possible. --- I hope many of you have the time to post your support. The remaining stations on the AM band would remain analog, and who knows, maybe CQuAM stereo. A greatly decluttered band could only help. Scott Todd From kya1260@lycos.com Tue Oct 18 10:40:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20231 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2005 17:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2005 17:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2005 17:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 6136C180049B for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:37:42 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 18 Oct 2005 17:37:42 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1C70FE5BC7; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:37:42 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:37:41 -0800 Received: from [68.125.54.97] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:37:41 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051018173742.1C70FE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: {AMSF} KFRC 610 no longer simulcasting KEAR 106.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=-M9lze7p3nKMAODXe09eq4-rLHF3b_0_oAHxZNupU25LA7XWnw X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ The former AM Stereo 610 KFRC, San Francisco, is now on its own with Family Radio programming... 106.9, soon to be ex-KEAR, is now stunting... Construction sound effects, some '80s punk music excerpts, tons of movie and news soundbites from the '70s and '80s - all thrown together into a disturbingly-sounding taffy... I suspect a JACK or BOB format is imminent in The City... Stay tuned... --Jay in Napa --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From kya1260@lycos.com Tue Oct 18 16:29:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49204 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2005 23:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2005 23:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2005 23:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 27BEE1800942 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:29:27 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 18 Oct 2005 23:29:27 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EDE80E5BC7; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:29:26 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:29:26 -0800 Received: from [68.125.54.97] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:29:26 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051018232926.EDE80E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Follow-up {AMSF} KFRC 610 no longer simulcasting KEAR 106.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=BIVHeMdlUsv7608NCBOifuSY4RiWLI8kF2UCKsNFVrW4z-8v0w X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ It's official: 106.9 FM is now KIFR "106.9 Free FM." It will work in conjunction with three or four similar- sounding Infinity stations in the U.S. And what has become of 610 AM KFRC? On the same day Oakland A's broadcaster Bill King dies, 610 officially became KEAR "Family Radio," as the FM 106.9 calls transfered over...after nearly 80 years, KFRC is no longer on 610... Not only are the A's looking for a new flagship station (I doubt if Family Radio will keep the A's in 2006), now they're looking for a broadcaster that is just=20 irreplaceable. Stay tuned... --jay --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 19 09:53:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50570 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2005 16:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2005 16:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.164) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2005 16:53:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 21002 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2005 16:53:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20051019165340.21000.qmail@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 09:53:40 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 09:53:40 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: OZ says No to IBOC, Yes to DAB147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=6m26t3lYpOduRaC_SfIycelxiZPhZSALUVurDMBR0v18QyfUWAbPD4g X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey IAN and our other friends in Oz, this from the pages of RADIO Magazine: "DAB coming up Down Under In an Oct. 14 announcement, Australia’s Minister for Communications, Information Technology and the Arts, Senator Helen Coonan, announced final government approval of a framework to guide the introduction of digital radio across her nation. Under the framework, Australia will implement terrestrial digital radio based on European Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB) standards, also known as Eureka 147. Existing commercial, national and wide-coverage community broadcasters will share the newly available digital spectrum. Broadcasters will not be required to simulcast and will be given first right of refusal in controlling the multiplex and holding their spectrum slot for a nominal administration fee. To ensure a financially stable transition, the government will also place a six year moratorium on new broadcast license applications. The commercial radio industry generally welcomed the federal government’s announcement, as Joan Warner, CEO of Commercial Radio Australia, which represents 98 percent of commercial radio stations in Australia, said the industry would now be able to move ahead with business planning and a multimillion dollar investment in the development of a digital broadcasting network. But Warner also noted that more dialogue is needed: “There are some elements of this policy that need a lot more discussion. We want to ensure the amount of spectrum allocated to commercial radio allows us to provide the additional services and features that are necessary to take full advantage of the technology and drive consumer uptake. Under the current compression technology, 128kb/s is not enough to do this, we need 256kb.” The CEO’s comment reflected that fact that Eureka 147’s use of the MPEG Layer 2 codec at 128kp/s has become a sore point for European DAB critics, who point to the superior sonic characteristics of more advanced codes, such as AAC Plus, even at lower bit rates. Even so, government and commercial players have pledged to cooperate in getting a phased rollout of DAB on the air throughout major metropolitan areas as quickly as possible." comment: that's great that they're going the full 256K too! __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Wed Oct 19 19:19:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6064 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2005 02:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2005 02:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2005 02:19:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2005 02:17:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2005 02:17:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:16:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051019165340.21000.qmail@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.180.52 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Guy Wire Gets Religion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=4L_uCAeJhTZFcDW3vmzGYZ41SxnBc213gPp18FAsk0udQ8-upO5hDg X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 Who would have thought it, but former iBiquity apologist, Guy Wire, has fin= ally conceded=20 that IBOC is not a workable technology for AM citing all the same reasons t= hat have been=20 repeatedly posted on this board. Instead he advocates DRM for AM. http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/guywire/gw.2005.10.19.shtml=20 Who knows maybe he'll fully repent and advocate AMS. db From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Oct 19 21:28:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72941 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2005 04:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2005 04:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.137) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2005 04:28:36 -0000 Received: from storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 6F751D9BD; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id VAA19081; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:28:35 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQdbJM3uLZAGuGZiinN1SjyakuBygIVAKnxaAtIJStSroEl5sc0b9PEtkLZ Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:28:35 -0500 To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20797-43571CF3-981@storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Kevin R. in Gilbert, AZ" 's message of Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:27:48 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Help Needed Please!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=t-3Bj_suJG58G_cCrfOQNM6qpAldbxioTrSVboIjKy0DC6l9-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Hello! I have a broadcast Engineer friend looking for a "oddball" Power Supply, He needs a fixed 9 Volt regulated D C Supply at 10 to 20 amps, the more amperage the better, for a special project. 9 volts is what is killing us!! Tried what resources I could think of, as well as the corporate people at Des Moines, No Luck. Tripp Lite, Power Sonic didn't seem to have any thing in a stock unit... I also called a buddy at an electrical engineering concern, still looking.... Any ideas or leads, welcome. Bill Snyder ABDX member , Mid State Distributing Company. Thank You oldphones@webtv.net oldphones12@aol.com Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 597-5276 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Oct 19 22:01:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29603 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2005 05:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2005 05:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.139) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2005 05:01:33 -0000 Received: from storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 24234D861; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id VAA19464; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:58:33 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQoLMa4Gzq7JZrgbylgZypDsQG3xQIUJ9FVhEyayDjwH9FprCaT3ywHOuo= Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:58:32 -0500 To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20796-435723F8-1260@storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Michael J. Richard" 's message of Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:37:28 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: RE: [ABDX] Help Needed Please!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=oqBnZRWKIIGjKdejSfOjWt7WgHu-yUM_IpV7L9jQ5VnJpvliFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE : Micheal Richards, I though of that Idea, but adding a power resistor or padding it down somehow just doesn't appear practical. Seems that Chuck's client has a large number of portable walkie-talkies that need daily recharging, they have a number of wall-warts pluged into power strips... unsightly and the fire marshal seems un amused... The idea is to recharge a number of radios at the same time off of a larger power supply. Some thought of using a variable power supply has occured, but a fixed supply would be better. Bill Snyder Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 597-5276 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 20 00:36:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6230 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2005 07:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2005 07:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2005 07:36:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2005 07:36:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2005 07:36:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:36:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20797-43571CF3-981@storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.7.134 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Help Needed Please!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=SsNvaA-i_vOLc6IEL4YaiP8PgvCGfAYssXaP2hs5yGhkr7NcMA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Hello! I have a broadcast Engineer friend looking for a "oddball" > Power Supply, He needs a fixed 9 Volt regulated D C Supply at 10 > to 20 amps, the more amperage the better, for a special project. > 9 volts is what is killing us!!=20=20=20=20=20 I have a 4.5-amp Tripp-Lite power supply that normally puts out 13.8 volts DC, but has a trim-pot inside which lets you adjust its=20 regulated output voltage. I cranked it up to 16 volts for my=20 application and it's perfectly stable and cool-running. You probably=20 could just as easily crank it down to 9 volts, since I believe it=20 maxed out at well over 20 volts. Of course you can buy a power=20 supply which offers a continuously variable output voltage adjustment=20 on the front panel, but this way is quite a bit less expensive! From rbrucecarter@yahoo.com Thu Oct 20 06:21:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rbrucecarter@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2835 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2005 13:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2005 13:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2005 13:21:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2005 13:20:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2005 13:20:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:20:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20797-43571CF3-981@storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.94.94.106 From: "Bruce Carter" Subject: Re: Help Needed Please!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116052011; y=CEAXqDDSpUvUZKmQatJOdUzLlelOLV1l5KoeRGOx03fISV_8NdS5 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I would use a fixed 12 or maybe 24V supply, and parallel LM317's to get=20 the current. It would take several LM317's, but they are easily=20 paralleled and cheap. Just get the ones in a TO-3 case and heatsink.=20=20 Forced airflow would be even better. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 21 06:02:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71210 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2005 13:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2005 13:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2005 13:02:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 96869 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Oct 2005 13:02:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20051021130211.96867.qmail@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 06:02:11 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 06:02:11 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: New Head of the NAB - I'll Drink to That ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=PVWKyNO8Xhqa0SlYsJMrySbQ28oCt0ip-V1f3ASaVU3sd0NZ4YzXEs0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio -(said with a smirk) Glad to see that the NAB picked someone with an engineering background to represent the broadcasting interests! "David Rehr Is New Leader of NAB It's official. David Rehr walks into NAB as its new president and chief executive officer Dec. 5. His choice had been rumored for weeks, and the NAB Board announced it today. Rehr is president and chief lobbyist for the National Beer Wholesaler's Association" - Maybe we could get him juiced-up and he'd promote CQuam for us! __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From baansy@yahoo.com Fri Oct 21 08:09:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74487 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2005 15:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2005 15:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2005 15:09:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2005 15:08:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2005 15:08:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:08:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 202.173.128.90 From: "baansy" Subject: 1323 AM ADELAIDE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728; y=uhoJIQiClKKvglkHfN6ZqntPWsImNbr-huk8W9EYcSZA X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy Signals point to right mix By SIMON YEAMAN 14sep05 MUSIC station MIX 102.3 has consolidated its No. 1 position in the=20 Adelaide market with a record 18.5 share but not without controversy=20 over its simulcasting of the station on two signals. Football broadcaster and former No. 1 FIVEAA actually went down for=20 the second successive survey - a second-placed 15.5 share - with 891=20 ABC - obviously helped by the Ashes cricket - up 1.7 points for a=20 station record 13.5 share.=20 891 ABC is now No. 2 in breakfast (hosted mostly by Bald Brothers=20 duo John Kenneally and Tony McCarthy) to FIVEAA, while Peter Goers'=20 evening shift skyrocketed 5.2 points to 16.4 - just 3.9 points=20 behind FIVEAA evenings (hosted mostly by Bob Francis).=20 The live cricket broadcasts at night, however, would have been a=20 factor in Goers' big performance.=20 Nova jumped to 12.2, overtaking once-mighty SAFM, which fell to an=20 11.6 share a day after celebrating its 25th birthday.=20 Triple M now is bottom of the Adelaide mainstream market.=20 MIX is simulcasting on FM frequency 102.3 and 1323AM, the latter=20 signal vacated by failed sports network SEN on May 31.=20 MIX parent company Australian Radio Network had leased the AM=20 frequency to SEN after it displaced Adelaide's oldest commercial=20 station 5DN in February.=20 Melbourne-based SEN proved a spectacularly short-lived failure,=20 leaving ARN in a quandary over what to do with its vacant signal.=20 Under the Nielsen diary ratings system, surveyed listeners are asked=20 to tick what station they listen to based on memory.=20 Those who listen to MIX on the AM band are supposedly credited to a=20 generic "Other AM" stations, not MIX. "Other AM" actually has gone=20 down in the past two surveys, indicating the AM ticks are favouring=20 MIX.=20 "Broadcasting the same program across two frequencies has to be an=20 advantage," FIVEAA-Nova general manager Paul Bartlett said.=20 "The increases in MIX's 40 plus audience since they went to the AM=20 band can't be a coincidence."=20 MIX general manager Steve Rowe, however, said MIX had had gains in=20 the 35 to 54 category in recent surveys, "which don't have a lot of=20 relevance to those who were listening to the former SEN or 5DN=20 stations". "We're really pleased with the result," he said.=20 Mr Rowe said there would be a new station and format on the 1323 AM=20 band before the end of the year. =20 privacy terms =A9 Advertiser Newspapers Pty Limited=20 =20 From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Fri Oct 21 15:12:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41543 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2005 22:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2005 22:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2005 22:12:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2005 22:12:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2005 22:12:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:12:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.111.241.195 From: "Tom" Subject: Story from RW Online RE: Australia Choosing a Digital Standard X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=HMIGzhvYvy0a6L2ooPzO0tXZ-klCU2B7NNTBufRJLYoNSf9IflKaGtVY X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 10-18-2005 Australia Chooses Eureka-147 The Australian Federal Minister for Communications says that country=20 will use the Eureka-147 technology for digital radio.=20 http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=3D7906 From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 22 00:12:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44319 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2005 07:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2005 07:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.205) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2005 07:12:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 80782 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2005 07:11:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@67.124.13.147 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2005 07:11:04 -0000 Message-ID: <000501c5d3fb$45e7d340$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:46:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: RWonline - Guy Wire X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=NGt85iQY2DKvUPrE8QDmcVl5kg0FtYKZ33HVsXNSX2ZaF4n5zb5RFEmGE0-50IXf05ZMyd-j X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RWonline - Guy Wire I thought this neat to read. Jim Smith - Want to comment on this story? Email Guy Wire! - Read previous comments from Guy's Internet Mailbag 10.19.2005 AM IBOC Tries to Get Past the Noise Will Interference Problems Derail AM's Digital Upgrade? As we contemplate what's going to happen to the venerable AM broadcast band during the transition into hybrid IBOC operations, a myriad of unanswered questions remain. We've seen FM IBOC adoption and implementation accelerate nicely, in spite of the delayed rollout of receivers. Multicasting with SPS has suddenly ignited a new level of excitement throughout the industry. FM IBOC now has a real "killer app" to counter the increasing competition from satellite, iPods and wireless streaming devices. Sadly, AM has no such weapon in its digital arsenal. GREAT PROMISE, GREAT PROBLEMS While AM IBOC still holds great promise for its ability to deliver dramatic improvement over its analog host with 15 kHz stereo reception, it only appears to be able to do that reliably inside the protected primary and NIF coverage contours. Even then there are problems with analog degradation on various models of existing receivers. A number of stations are finding it difficult to suppress the "bacon-frying" noise produced in all analog receivers because of nonlinear performing transmission chains, including the null regions of many directional antennas. The necessity of having to rebuild antenna systems will place an expensive burden on numerous stations, many of which are the least able to afford it. Using IBOC at night undoubtedly will unleash an ugly Pandora's Box of trouble for many stations. The Canadian government has formally objected to U.S. stations operating IBOC at night, fearing significant interference to Canadian stations operating on adjacent channels. Neither the NAB nor the FCC had yet to comment on this objection at this writing. We've suggested that for AM IBOC to have a better chance at succeeding, especially at night, the band needs to be thinned out. Our proposal could offer an equitable way of reducing the number of AM stations by half and would certainly help reduce overall congestion and interference issues significantly. But even if they were to be adopted, the problem of adjacent-channel interference at night for many surviving stations would remain real. Most AM station owners understand the risks of investing in the Ibiquity standard and are postponing plans to add IBOC until more of the lingering questions receive answers. According to one resource as of this writing, there are 77 stations on the air with daytime AM IBOC. At least five Class A 50 kW blowtorches and a few other stations have turned it off, mostly because of interference caused to their own analog listeners or to their adjacent-channel neighbors. Curiously, only 26 of the 77 stations feature music formats that would benefit the most by using IBOC digital while the rest are all news, talk or sports. The research for this is available online at: http://topazdesigns.com/iboc/station-list.html. The information contained in this list appears to be valid and is, of course, constantly changing for a variety of reasons. ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT I've been a fan and supporter of the evolution of digital radio and the extraordinary effort of all of those who have helped develop the standard that now awaits adoption at the FCC, all the way from Project Acorn through the contributions of USADR, DRE, Lucent and Ibiquity. I was an early supporter of IBOC for both AM and FM, but after carefully reflecting on how the AM rollout has faltered I am now convinced the proposed standard for AM during the hybrid transition period is not the best it could be. I am joined by many other engineers who see the possibility of a colossal train wreck coming, when and if AM IBOC is opened up for full-time operations by all stations. Ibiquity has held firm to its original modulation design scheme for AM IBOC and has pushed it through on the back of the FM system. Receiver and chip-set manufacturers have largely committed to it as the only solution available to propel U.S. terrestrial broadcasting into the future. But there has always been one fundamental problem with AM IBOC. The digital sidebands produce high levels of analog noise interference on both first-adjacent channels, resulting in degraded and even destroyed reception of the secondary coverage contours of many stations. Several studies indicate that 5 to 10 percent of all stations may experience this interference inside their protected primary contours. Ibiquity has suggested that the laws of physics prevent any real resolution to this problem, and AM stations will essentially have to forget about their secondary and skywave service areas and accept the notion they are not important. Only the primary contour matters and will continue to be protected. That's been a hard pill for many AM owners and operators to swallow as they hunker down for the hybrid period with no definite end point for transition to a complete digital system. Listeners who lose the ability to hear a desired and dependable radio service they've enjoyed for a long time could care less where a protected contour ends or begins. It will simply eliminate one of their favored choices and further diminish the size of AM radio's already dwindling audience. Why would we want to accept such a self-inflicted wound when it could be ameliorated by using better technology? DRM TO THE RESCUE? Other technology options that could make the digital transition easier are available. Some involve smarter processing and filtering using DSP at the receiver end. On the transmission side, Digital Radio Mondiale offers some compelling options. DRM and the Ibiquity OFDM modulation structures are similar in many ways. Even though it does not showcase or promote its hybrid option that includes the existing analog component, DRM offers the advantages of a more flexible and scalable digital architecture. The design is an existing world standard for digital transmission under 30 MHz. It is open and nonproprietary. Many parameters are dynamically adjustable on the fly including guard intervals and error correction. Channel bandwidths are adaptable as propagation conditions change, which offers a huge benefit for skywave listening. Most important, the DRM single sideband option could mean dramatically reduced interference for many first-adjacent stations at night. Take the most notable and often used example of three Class A stations: WLW 700 in Cincinnati, WOR 710 in NYC and WGN 720 in Chicago. All three are 50 kW powerhouses that enjoy extensive secondary contour as well as skywave coverage and audience. Large areas of that will be lost in both analog and digital reception when all three light up IBOC at night. But with DRM SSB, WLW could switch to LSB at night, while both WOR and WGN switch to USB, thereby reducing significant amounts of destructive interference. This case involves protecting useful service in secondary contours. There are other examples too numerous to mention where the appropriate use of DRM SSB could reduce nighttime interference to protected NIF primary contours for many key stations and their adjacent-channel neighbors. Obviously the entire inventory of AM stations would need to be studied carefully to reveal how well the DRM option could provide significant reclamation of lost coverage, but my hunch is that it may be impressive. Assigning appropriate DRM sidebands to every station that chose to operate digital at night would be challenging but could be done on an equitable basis. The FCC would employ the established precedent of longevity on the channel as used in determining nighttime skywave protection limits. PROTECTING THE FRANCHISE Unfortunately Ibiquity seems to have ignored DRM, mostly because of internal politics and its insistence that the business model and the standard they have constructed remain unchanged. It would appear that it's just too unappealing to integrate other people's software into a closed and proprietary structure that is poised to become a long-term for-profit monopoly. But such a bold move could very well produce a better system, even though it may delay finalizing standards and chip-set designs in the short term. Ibiquity may be facing potential litigation at the hands of Microsoft and others for keeping its HDC codec under wraps and out of the proposed FCC IBOC digital standard. Clearly the interests of everyone except Ibiquity would be better served if codec specifications could be part of the standard and left open to enable others to contribute future improvements. That discussion is best reserved for another time. As FM IBOC deployment continues to gather momentum, Ibiquity insists on playing hardball in the face of rising opposition to several key parts of its blueprint for the future of terrestrial radio. It's the sheer arrogance of Ibiquity that disappoints so many of us in the industry. BACK TO THE FUTURE If the commission chooses to adopt the Ibiquity IBOC standard for unlimited AM day and night operations as proposed, here is a worst-case scenario that might unfold: A messy outbreak of interference complaints will be filed by adjacent-channel stations that lose existing analog coverage as increasing numbers of stations deploy IBOC full-time. Many of the complaints will be dismissed on the basis that the interference occurs in unprotected coverage areas, which is understandable and expected. In cases where the interference complaints are legitimate, the offending stations will be forced to reduce IBOC power. In many cases, they may have to reduce it to a level where it's not justified to operate it at all without leaving its listeners a poor impression of the new technology and the station's inability to use it effectively. Would such stations be content to operate IBOC only during the day, outside of critical hours and nights? The overall result of this chaos could leave AM IBOC an under-achieving digital standard that only a minority of stations could use to full advantage. We could see the filing of lawsuits by stations that invested in the technology but were forced to stop using it. To resolve such disputes with an easy way out, the commission might allow such stations to negotiate "buyoffs" for these complaints to be able to keep using IBOC full time. The station that received the interference may decide that a cash settlement is more valuable than the "lost coverage." The precedent of buying off your interference has already been, at least partially, established. Many of the 5 to10 percent of stations that receive IBOC interference inside their protected contours may lose enough of their critical hours and nighttime coverage rendering operations during those times unprofitable and essentially useless. Many of the rimshot stations that rely heavily on secondary coverage to serve their intended target audiences will probably be shut down by IBOC interference with no remedy whatsoever. Some may just throw up the white flag and be content to be daytimers or go out of business entirely. Others could get angry enough to pursue litigation. END-GAME STRATEGIES The ensuing malaise would cripple AM further until such time that a significant number of stations simply go away and turn in their licenses. That may provide enough relief for at least some of the survivors to be able to use IBOC at night. This might just be the FCC's secret solution to curing congestion on the AM band. Eventually the commission would likely set a date for mandatory conversion by all remaining stations to full digital operations, leaving analog behind forever and marking a merciful end to the misery of the hybrid period. Ibiquity would have you believe that such a worst-case scenario will never happen and that the hybrid conversion period will proceed with only a limited number of valid interference complaints. The affected stations will be able to negotiate mutually acceptable resolution with few complications or the need for many interfering stations to abandon IBOC operations completely at night. History will probably record the actual course of events occurring somewhere between these two extremes. It's probably too late to hope or expect that Ibiquity might embrace the idea of changing its AM IBOC design to make it better. Or it may be too early, depending on your point of view. The introduction and eventual widespread use of smart radios that can receive software changes and upgrades seamlessly over the air will make future improvements so much easier. It is entirely probable that this will happen during the hybrid period, making it more palatable for Ibiquity to consider and actually implement system modifications like DRM. Only time will reveal how the hybrid transition will fare. Guy Wire, Radio World's masked engineer, is the pseudonym of a well-known radio veteran. Opinions are his own. RW welcomes other points of view. Comment on this or any story in Radio World Engineering Extra by writing to radioworld@imaspub.com. . home | industry resources | Radio World | about IMAS Publishing | contact us [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Oct 22 15:08:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51705 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2005 22:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2005 22:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2005 22:08:53 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.144]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 22084894 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:08:52 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <008701c5d755$872d1d80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20051017165259.76229.qmail@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:11:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 52, in=47, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.144 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Good AM Stereo News! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=yzwTSqCnlUxNg7180gnOzxDrJZBXTpua_QfL7Wle8wR4AQp6CfAu X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Mine always seems to come late, but I'll be looking for it. Thanks for the heads-up. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > AM Stereo news from the pages of the October 2005 "Radio Guide" publication: > > Page 5 has a great ad for the Fanfare tuner (FTA-100P with AM Stereo) and Page > 46 shows the new Orban AM9400 with STEREO ANALOG (like the 9100B) as it says > "...the 9400 appropriate for CQUAM AM stereo installations..." > From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Oct 22 20:51:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67881 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2005 03:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2005 03:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2005 03:51:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2005 03:51:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2005 03:51:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 03:50:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008701c5d755$872d1d80$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.53.235 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Good AM Stereo News! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=O4GAHj584eYKPm-oUnXX0CVj4AKgdkvil2j3BrB-GBRlPinx X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie What I'll call "good AM stereo news" is if just THREE C-QUAM AM=20 stereo stations went on the air west of the Rockies in the US, with a=20 good western-US coverage that includes the central Pacific coast at=20 night. Aside from a few pilot-onlys at 1170 and the X band (not sure if=20 KFOX, the Korean 'caster in Torrance, CA, is broadcasting ANY stereo=20 content anymore, though they used to), and that KCTC is going bye-bye=20 (but never been a stable, strong catch here), the ONLY AMS stations I=20 can regularly get are CKBD 600 AM in Vancouver BC and CKMX 1060 in=20 Calgary, AB- Both Canadians. Despite this, if you don't count the Spanish-language stations,=20 there's actually a growing number of music stations on the AM dial,=20 as heard from here. Most are MOR/standards/"unforgettable" music,=20 country of some kind, and a few (but not many) oldies stations. Only=20 about 3 Radio Disneys are even audible- One is pilot only in the X- band. And two hindi stations- One at 1600 and the other at 1200. 1200 KYAA=20 comes in pretty good up here, for being 350 miles north of Santa=20 Cruz. Neither stereo. I want one of those three to be EZ-pop/rock, AC or oldies. Just one! (Yes, I miss KBOI, why do you ask?) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Oct 23 18:19:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45497 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2005 01:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2005 01:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2005 01:19:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2005 01:19:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2005 01:19:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 01:19:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.238.219 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Brookstone SLCD v2.0 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=5Ur9Qss5HRx7gtZlJI9KMNsePD7ltyOgO1szGNXMnEspfeEkQw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I just came across a small bookshelf stereo with an impressively good=20 AM tuner: the Brookstone SLCD v2.0. On FM the sound through its=20 built-in speakers is a bit too bright for my taste (maybe it's only=20 using 50 uS de-emphasis?), but on AM it has a very nice rich sound=20 with good bass and crisp, clear highs... as soon as I switched it to=20 AM, I was surprised by how nice it sounds, compared to the hideously=20 narrowband audio that you normally get from these kind of radios. It sounded at least as good on AM as the Philips-Magnavox radios with=20 the ECO-5 tuner, if any of you are familiar with those. Its LCD has a very bright blue backlight, and it has a few EQ=20 presets, of which "Rock" has the most bass and treble boost. It has=20 a Stereo/Mono button for FM, which helps because it doesn't have any=20 automatic blend-to-mono. It can be wall-mounted, and has an output=20 for an external subwoofer. The current model is the SLCD v4.0, but I=20 don't know how its AM tuner compares to the v2.0. Here's a photo of=20 the v2.0 model: http://i5.ebayimg.com/03/i/05/37/65/d1_3.JPG From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Mon Oct 24 11:03:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2203 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2005 18:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2005 18:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.162.78) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2005 18:03:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:03:11 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.48.110.230 by BAY108-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:03:11 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:01:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2005 18:03:11.0923 (UTC) FILETIME=[329CF030:01C5D8C5] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.162.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: fa: Chris Cuff Alfredo Lite Early Production #7557117656 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=PA9SAUyqTY3YjhMSLEefjBhp57WNQPD-5NychoTO_ZDq X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd see auction #7557117656 Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis From tortugabob@aol.com Mon Oct 24 19:41:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tortugabob@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82558 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2005 02:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2005 02:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 02:41:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2005 02:39:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2005 02:39:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 02:39:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.12.116.196 From: "Bob" Subject: Yamaha TX-492 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=133778489; y=NXyuGDZCUxJui8jq7Anlfijc2ASGwXvSmqsQM1h6bCQniPubJyw8YrA X-Yahoo-Profile: tortugabob2003 Help someone. On one of the sites I saw where the Yamaha TX-492 is=20 capable of receiving AM Stereo broadcasts. I've looked at various=20 specs of this tuner on some of on-line vendors for this tuner and they=20 make no mention of this capability. Is this true? Or is it only true=20 for the European or Asian models of this tuner? I've been trying to=20 find an "affordable" new 110V AM stereo tuner that sounded good. Can=20 anyone enlighten me? Thanks.=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 24 19:50:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67672 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2005 02:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2005 02:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.240) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 02:50:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 31340 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2005 02:50:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20051025025057.31338.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.234] by web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:50:56 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:50:56 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Yamaha TX-492 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=JNjiQf6f_I50uaphptipYtLtONA8GrLKZzgFQPw1tc4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Bob wrote: > Help someone. On one of the sites I saw where the > Yamaha TX-492 is > capable of receiving AM Stereo broadcasts. I've > looked at various > specs of this tuner on some of on-line vendors for > this tuner and they > make no mention of this capability. Is this true? Or > is it only true > for the European or Asian models of this tuner? > I've been trying to > find an "affordable" new 110V AM stereo tuner that > sounded good. Can > anyone enlighten me? Thanks. The USA models do NOT unless modified by Jeff Deck, and he makes them sound way better than stock! Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From tortugabob@aol.com Mon Oct 24 20:01:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tortugabob@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37882 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2005 03:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2005 03:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 03:01:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2005 03:00:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2005 03:00:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 03:00:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051025025057.31338.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.12.116.196 From: "Bob" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Yamaha TX-492 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=133778489; y=JZsmD3OIrDINP58z4nJDIht5Y6BrifzV6flMSbJAvcMiBrytngmnln4 X-Yahoo-Profile: tortugabob2003 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > The USA models do NOT unless modified by Jeff Deck, > and he makes them sound way better than stock! =20 > Powell =20 > w4opw@a... > NNNN! Powell, Thanks for answering my question. I guess it was at his site that I saw=20 this. We have a great AM Stereo station here in Greenville, SC. WPCI at=20 1490. I've been wanting a Sansui TU-S77AMX for a long time but can't=20 find one or one I can afford on eBay. Thought for moment the TX-492=20 was the ticket and right under my nose all this time. So what does Jeff=20 Deck do. Has he developed a PCB that he can add in? From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 24 20:06:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71103 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2005 03:06:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2005 03:06:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.119) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 03:06:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 85293 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2005 03:06:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20051025030613.85291.qmail@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.234] by web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:06:13 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:06:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.119 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Yamaha TX-492 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=lDx4yCLFgelk6vVboTtK4X4Tk2M63rfjUb_uP2JXXTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Bob wrote: > Powell, > Thanks for answering my question. I guess it was at > his site that I saw > this. > > We have a great AM Stereo station here in > Greenville, SC. WPCI at > 1490. I've been wanting a Sansui TU-S77AMX for a > long time but can't > find one or one I can afford on eBay. Thought for > moment the TX-492 > was the ticket and right under my nose all this > time. So what does Jeff > Deck do. Has he developed a PCB that he can add in? He's on this list so maybe he'll chime in. Yes, WPCI is good, but the selection of music is a bit eclectic. Powell ( in Columbia, SC ) w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Oct 25 00:14:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88133 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2005 07:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2005 07:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (66.193.185.18) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 07:13:59 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (mdm187-24.arc182.smfrct1.dasdial.com [66.6.187.24]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.425.4) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 03:16:59 -0400 X-Modus-ReverseDNS: OK X-Modus-BlackList: 66.6.187.24=OK;ccuff@in4web.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 66.6.187.24=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 66.6.187.24=NO Message-ID: <001301c5d933$b2fcd240$18bb0642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 03:14:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 66.193.185.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Yamaha TX-492 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=ZFV7Y8EnwxrrIvJ0cTEAbJ2SRJcl57eTuENbZDbhkRYtwmkX8Vp1NZXI X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I "think" the Yamaha has the PC board already equipped for the AM Stereo parts- I know the Kenwood receivers did up till 2001 anyway, then they went to one of those integrated canned tuner assemblies. Like most units that have the ability to make am stereo possible, the built in stereo indicator only functions while in the 9Khz mode- Jeff adds a lite as I did when I was modifying these. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Tue Oct 25 04:20:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26168 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2005 11:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2005 11:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 11:20:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2005 11:19:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2005 11:19:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:19:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Yamaha TX-492 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=t4WJdaQeBfkxeXEd1aXeE2mqZn2V0jZqLXLa40aP_IWiIp8_eZFs X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Hello Bob, Yamaha's TX-492 is not available in U.S.A in AM stereo format. However, it is modified for C-QuAM stereo using one of my AM stereo=20 decoder boards.=20=20=20 This Yamaha TX-492 is available in stock AM stereo form as=20 Japan domestic model, however the front end FM tuner module needs=20 to be replaced for the domestic frequency plan. As a Japan model, the AM stepping is 9kHz, so this needs to be modified for America=20 and Canada. It is easier to purchase the TX-492 tuner here, and=20 then modify it after-market for AM stereo. The stereo indicator=20 does not function when the uP is set to 10kHz AM channel spacing,=20 so amber stereo LED is also added to the front panel.=20=20 73, Jeff=20 http://Meduci.com You write: >Thanks for answering my question. I guess it was at his site that I=20 >saw this. >=20 >We have a great AM Stereo station here in Greenville, SC. WPCI at=20 >1490. I've been wanting a Sansui TU-S77AMX for a long time but >can't find one or one I can afford on eBay. Thought for moment=20 >the TX-492 was the ticket and right under my nose all this time.=20 >So what does Jeff Deck do. Has he developed a PCB that he can add=20 >in? From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Oct 25 05:48:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99047 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2005 12:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2005 12:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52013.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.96) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 12:48:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 57126 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2005 12:47:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20051025124721.57124.qmail@web52013.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.218.40.7] by web52013.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:47:21 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:47:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: JNR Subject: WILD/1090-the bad news & the good news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=RfSGKsPaDiDQ1laIXvQMw3oBQ-D5UuG6KAV008BG21L04Ay_becU X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio The bad news is that WILD/1090 has dropped AM Stereo & its classic gold sould format (in favor of Black Gospel). The good news is that the format has somewhat moved over to its co-owned F.M.: soon to be WILD-FM "Wild-FM 97.7". This leaves WJIB/740 & WLYN/1360 in stereo around Boston. Jay __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Oct 25 14:32:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42142 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2005 21:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2005 21:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 21:32:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2005 21:31:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2005 21:31:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:31:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.40.121 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: SONY ST-JX220A for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=d1F2CCewWtzzn_BL-KuPRs-mjyyH6ilxt8C1oBwQOWxNy7p5ew X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Warren McCowage" wrote: > > I have to move from a house to a bed-sit, so, some of my 29 tuners > need to be sold. > I've put my SONY tuner on eBay Australia if anybody is interested__ > refer eBay #5819877019 > 29 tuners ??!!=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Oct 25 18:59:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77660 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2005 01:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2005 01:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.117) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 01:59:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 44563 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2005 01:59:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20051026015934.44561.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.191] by web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:59:33 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:59:33 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SONY ST-JX220A for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Ozx3gQ9TKBDLpDmXgstBjHLl1CS6ML6FYw3cD-FZGTs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Dave wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Warren > McCowage" > wrote: > > > > I have to move from a house to a bed-sit, so, some > of my 29 tuners What is a bed-sit? Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Oct 25 20:53:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35869 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2005 03:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2005 03:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 03:53:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2005 03:53:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2005 03:53:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:53:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051025124721.57124.qmail@web52013.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.238.219 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: WILD/1090-the bad news & the good news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=MGxCu2qcN6lYZ4QCbB74XaQnMZjlPANAEOBmjuF_KDIb2maSlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The bad news is that WILD/1090 has dropped > AM Stereo & its classic gold sould format (in favor > of Black Gospel). The good news is that the > format has somewhat moved over to its co-owned > F.M.: soon to be WILD-FM "Wild-FM 97.7". The new "Praise 1090" format has a skeleton web page set up, with only an e-mail link to send in your comments: http://www.wild1090.com/uc/ I suggest you follow me in using that link (=20 promotionscontest@wild1090.com ) to comment that you miss the AM Stereo and hope for its return. > This leaves WJIB/740 & WLYN/1360 in stereo around > Boston. Also 1030 WBZ on the rare occasion (maybe once or twice a year) that they switch to their backup transmitter. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Oct 25 21:54:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47548 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2005 04:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2005 04:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 04:54:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 66368 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2005 04:54:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20051026045411.66366.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.155.122] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:54:11 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:54:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1130269502.870.21473.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: WILD in AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=cP0Va19i1Gftro3G7DXtByEQvcAwnDxd5CIt47g6dATmc8e7MSEY51U X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio somebody wrote: "The bad news is that WILD/1090 has dropped AM Stereo & its classic gold sould format (in favor of Black Gospel)." Why can't they leave the stereo AM on with the gospel? Isn't their music a stereo source? Could you write or call and find out? __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Oct 26 02:50:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81696 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2005 09:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2005 09:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 09:50:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2005 09:50:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2005 09:50:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:50:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051026015934.44561.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.235.16.84 From: "Sotiris" Subject: {AMSF} Re: SONY ST-JX220A for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=ymF-eZhoJkyY2CohgryJ70HkJuxXfb0opCmBrPB8v1w X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr A room that only a bed can sit (fit) inside??? :)=20 =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 >=20 > --- Dave wrote: >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Warren > > McCowage" > > wrote: > > > > > > I have to move from a house to a bed-sit, so, some > > of my 29 tuners >=20 >=20 > What is a bed-sit? >=20 > Powell >=20 > w4opw@a... > NNNN! > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Oct 26 04:45:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76046 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2005 11:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2005 11:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.202.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 11:45:57 -0000 Received: from n1zzn (c-24-218-84-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.84.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <200510261118020130040fkee>; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:18:02 +0000 To: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:17:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20051026045411.66366.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcXZ6U/WD10EjAOiQaC2mp49KFx8vQANWGVg X-Originating-IP: 204.127.202.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} WILD in AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394; y=N8e4VO3eSFcJIIfOOPmIYty1A-EnnSAGntB0GGfufQ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Ever since they moved their studios from Roxbury to Quincy last year, the audio has been in mono anyway. Sometimes it would be correctly combined into mono, and the same would be coming out both times, sometimes it would have just one channel coming out both sides, and other times it would have one or both channels coming out of only one side. This was just the nail in the coffin. I saw this coming, since they're also on the list to go IBOC. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA >-----Original Message----- >From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] >On Behalf Of John P. >Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:54 AM >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} WILD in AMS? > >somebody wrote: "The bad news is that WILD/1090 has dropped AM >Stereo & its classic gold sould format (in favor >of Black Gospel)." > >Why can't they leave the stereo AM on with the gospel? Isn't their music a >stereo source? Could you write or call and find out? > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Wed Oct 26 17:09:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15902 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2005 00:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2005 00:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2005 00:09:57 -0000 Received: from [69.3.179.107] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EUvLA-0008MN-9b for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:09:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20051026015934.44561.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051026015934.44561.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <3c357d842a3d98fb3c3615db61eeb618@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:13:20 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-ELNK-Trace: 726593d8db6908e21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec797a1ffaf557eca43d2f74a32b79987f5e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Daniel Brown Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SONY ST-JX220A for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=q19AEyklmAbSqLl5GwXnP-s86_ZDr1hwTcNV9JgtJz-DZ8krvMm2rg X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's like a single apartment. db On Oct 25, 2005, at 6:59 PM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > > --- Dave wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Warren > > McCowage" > > wrote: > > > > > > I have to move from a house to a bed-sit, so, some > > of my 29 tuners > > > What is a bed-sit? > > Powell > > w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com > NNNN! > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > =C2=A0 > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > =C2=A0amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =C2=A0 > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Term= s of=20 > Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Wed Oct 26 19:00:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64958 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2005 02:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2005 02:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au) (150.229.64.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2005 02:00:23 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au ([138.194.10.10]) by vic-ironport-ext-out1.csiro.au with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2005 12:00:21 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,255,1125842400"; d="scan'208"; a="56276252:sNHT22295860" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9R20JvX007621; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:00:19 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:00:19 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Magic 693 / AMS / DAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033; y=5XDkAmRQht6C0njh_paTtjf-hcY-uY4y-WoRTrTXOreN X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 What follows is a reply to some questions to Gary Hoffman - station manager of Magic 693. It looks as if we'll have our AM stereo music station back pretty soon. Praise the Lord! Ian Melbourne :) G'day Ian, The exciter is a work in progress. The major components have been replaced but it was then discovered the wiring was disintegrating so it is being totally rewired. I am hopeful a return to stereo is not too far away (weeks rather than months). In regard to DAB, the minister has announced all existing commercial operators in the cap cities will be granted spectrum, with the rollout to begin three years from now. The system will be Eureka 147 unless a better technology comes along in the meantime (which hopefully it will). Provincial areas will follow at a date yet to be determined. Trials of Eureka in Sydney are continuing, and there are some issues regarding the amount of spectrum available and the availability of the broadcasting multiplexes required for full coverage. These issues will take time to resolve, although the major decisions have been made. Of course the legislation covering all of this has not been written yet, although that should be little more than a formality. Regards, Gary From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 26 20:33:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89710 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2005 03:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2005 03:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2005 03:33:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 57465 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2005 03:33:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20051027033353.57463.qmail@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.155.122] by web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:33:53 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:33:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: WJR - no pilot? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=9OdCFVy4Sj-BQh0cd1VFV1-5jwXDh_vfiTkD83sK0da1U-UFXoN-iPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Anybody else notice that WJR didn't have any stereo commercials today (WED), or any stereo AM pilot, for that matter? Can we contact them to see when it'll return to the air? __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Oct 26 20:35:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19827 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2005 03:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2005 03:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2005 03:35:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2005 03:34:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2005 03:34:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 03:34:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3c357d842a3d98fb3c3615db61eeb618@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.238.219 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: SONY ST-JX220A for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=UFCXQ7v73_u8syVwQvU4UkQbEliHeJWhvoUXU1f8S_YdJtN3Ow X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It's like a single apartment. Yup... hence the title of Al Stewart's 1967 debut single, "Bedsitter Images": http://rylibweb.man.ac.uk/data1/sy/jch/alwords/als3.htm From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Thu Oct 27 01:38:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41970 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2005 08:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2005 08:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2005 08:38:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2005 08:38:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2005 08:38:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:38:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051027033353.57463.qmail@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: WJR - no pilot? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=v7_qw4GUIxD6dW9Y2XJsdzkdgi0IV3lhvHcVyuiYnPIa_6RTu8Z3 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Johnnie, I can confirm that WJR has been mono for the past few days. It=20 is apparent that WJR is preparing for HD (you can tell by the new analog fidelity). We just need to wait this out until the newer technology runs its course. Meanwhile, I am marketing C-QuAM tuners practically in WJR's own backyard.=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 WFDF has been testing their new 50kW rigs for approximately the past month. Their analog is low fidelity, as they are preparing=20 for HD. During listening tests, I heard the eight second delay as WFDF was toggled between the two transmitters. There never was a=20 C-QuAM pilot tone generated.=20 With virtually every FM station in Detroit now transmitting HD,=20 I can confirm that WKRK, WRIF and others are experiencing severe interference to their main analog carriers in moving older vehicles. It manifests itself as picket fencing and other momentary audio drops to static within 15 miles of the transmitters. Also, WKRK lost their main analog transmitter for almost 20 minutes last week during morning drive, yet the HD was still evident (I was not able to make test recording).=20=20 It was interesting to note that different FM analog radios do=20 not all react the same to the new HD FM carriers. For instance, newer Delphi radios actively blend to mono in the presence of HD.=20 Also, they seem to be immune to false seeking on the first=20 adjacents of HD FM stations. The older Delco radios (and the 1995 and newer Saturn radios designed by Panasonic) stop at many of the first FM adjacents, thinking there is a legitimate FM station present. Also, newer Ford and Chrysler radios do not stop erroneously to the first FM adjacent frequencies.=20=20 73, Jeff http://Meduci.com You write: >Anybody else notice that WJR didn't have any stereo commercials=20 >today (WED), or any stereo AM pilot, for that matter? >Can we contact them to see when it'll return to the air? From dav259@csiro.au Thu Oct 27 17:08:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24898 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2005 00:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2005 00:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au) (150.229.64.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2005 00:08:49 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au ([138.194.10.10]) by vic-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au with ESMTP; 28 Oct 2005 10:08:48 +1000 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,259,1125842400"; d="scan'208"; a="56378124:sNHT20795868" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9S08lvX007420 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:08:47 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:08:47 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ian Davidson Subject: HD Radio in NZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033; y=pMQIDcey-EtT7vtSRRRxDxHcDq9Ah5XJlkVnOyk8goLr X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Hey Michael I saw this report on HD trials in Aukland. cheers Ian Date posted: 2005-10-27 HD Radio Is on the Air in New Zealand, BE Says Recently HD Radio showed up in Brazil; now it has popped up in New Zealand as part of a supplier demonstration. Broadcast Electronics says one of its systems is the first to deliver HD Radio signals heard in that country. Transmitting on 106.1 MHz from the Skytower in Auckland, the broadcast is under a special demonstration license from government regulators there. Cobalt Technologies, BE's representative in New Zealand, submitted the license request and installed the digital FM system. A Cobalt spokesman cited as a benefit IBOC's ability to allow stations to go digital without turning off their analog. The Eureka-147 system, which some countries are using, is only digital and requires new spectrum. The analog and digital signals in Auckland are transmitted by a BE FXi 60 digital FM exciter operating at 37 watts analog and 370 milliwatts digital. Chuck Kelly, BE director of international sales, said informal signal strength tests indicate the digital has a potential reach of better than 60 percent of the metro Auckland population. BE and Cobalt sponsored a seminar on digital radio and synchronous FM, held in Auckland. http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=7964 From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Oct 28 02:03:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76718 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2005 09:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2005 09:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2005 09:03:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 55577 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2005 09:02:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20051028090220.55575.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [60.234.212.159] by web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 02:02:19 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 02:02:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1130448907.466.32642.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Michael and Ross Subject: We now have FM iboc in N.Z X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915; y=rkwOfOKOx2D2vq9gYl_oiBX3hiL4fQNn2ZZwjXe5M_m0y9Km1w X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heard it on Monday repeating a dozen songs over and over and was intermittently in stereo but didnt know this till getting off the LPFM group. Michael 10-27-2005 HD RADIO IS ON THE AIR IN NEW ZEALAND, BE SAYS Recently HD Radio showed up in Brazil; now it has popped up in New Zealand as part of a supplier demonstration. http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=7964 Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Fri Oct 28 05:05:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65939 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2005 12:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2005 12:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.136) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2005 12:05:18 -0000 Received: from storefull-3338.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id E4260D600; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 05:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3338.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA04318; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 05:05:16 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAwsmfb11PTfUXRtUqQp+7ReLny4ECFQC6cTugZ4VV0wC4RUIitr0aPSPCfg== Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:05:16 -0500 To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <829-436213FC-3543@storefull-3338.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Kevin R. in Gilbert, AZ" 's message of Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:31:26 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: KFAB Omaha X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=IEy-GTaGAejNahF0TNJoF8eLtJfvsxjUCkKlcjPTPwyIJ-ZRpA X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 For the DXers on the East Coast. Monitored KFAB this morning. They appear to have resumed directional operation at night. Carrier Drop (pattern switch) at 6:30 AM CDT and the IBOC came on at 6:46 AM. One other observation, I noted that driving south on 72nd street Near I-80 and the UPRR overpass that the new tower's red aviation lights seem somewhat brighter than the other exsisting towers.... and at a 6-7 mile distance. So, all seems to be back to normal at KFAB 1110 Omaha. Bill Snyder - Omaha, NE Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 597-5276 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 29 14:17:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61880 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2005 21:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2005 21:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.206) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2005 21:17:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 42745 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2005 21:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@69.105.83.188 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2005 21:17:51 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c5d47c$c859f8e0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 00:14:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Subject: KCTC AM STEREO 1320 is talk now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=-e_w_xIYCSmzTlTfSeWsquIGIdyMLDxBAZ-T2_HGVTwpoQ332SDiRSs7GNtnyXuSA3y64YHC X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Well it happend KCTC AM STEREO 1320 is now talk air head USA. I wonder how long the stereo is going to last at the station. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 29 14:27:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43429 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2005 21:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2005 21:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.205) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2005 21:27:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 67368 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2005 21:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@69.105.83.188 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2005 21:27:51 -0000 Message-ID: <001801c5d47e$2d8e5e80$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 00:24:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: Fw: KUBA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=cf8se-ZJeH-cOhbpv4V0tpu_vYKWt13ebmuSUkBw4jqMBfA021wNpL5UqJwWAIHoe_uqs6GT X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is what i wrote to KUBA AM 1600 after i herd that thay wanted to go HD radio. And thay play some good music to. J.D.S ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net To: Bob Breck Cc: jim smith Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 11:34 PM Subject: Re: KUBA Hi Bob For one thing i am not a engineer. That being said all the ansers to all your questions i may not have the ansures to but i will try as best as i can. I did not know about 1570 am KCVR was in IBOC mode i can only get them at night. I was talking about the super flame througher 50kw KCBS AM IBOC 740 i am at 100 mile from them hear in Penryn Ca and i can get there station and there side bands very strong hear. And thay trasmitt from Nevato Ca. I remember back in the 80's when the AM band sounded very good 15khz wide band stereo. Many stations sounded great back than and it was wide for every buddy now its going to be nerrow for every buddy with stadic that berrys naibering stations on the dial and with niose on your main signal. That is a suprise about KFBK AM 1530 .See what i mean it even distorys high power analog station signals and Stockton is not that far for a 50kw signal.One C-Quam will not distroy other stations from its side bands. Back in the 80's this was forbiden. 10khz in stereo sounds alot better than 5khz in mono with stadic. Two Sony still makes some radios for the Japanese market . Am Stereo works better in the hills better than FM Stereo thats why AM Stereo made it better in Japan. Please look at these two sites www.amstereo.tk and http://meduci.com These folks are very helpful toword AM STEREO. Three I do'nt know ask Scott Todd stodd@kkms.com .Four Yes apsaloottly!!! Sorry for the spelling. Yes i think that Am Stereo is alot better HD IBOC . IBOC puts out stadic and that is very bad for the AM band and your analog lesseners will tune out because of IBOC niose on your station. And you are still be severing your main analog lesseners this with out stadic to them and with AM STEREO Radios that are alot CHEAPER than IBOC radios and with out the digital artafacts and stadic. I hope that i covered all the points that you asked me. I hope that you see what i mean . Thank you for your time Bob. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Breck To: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Cc: Bob Harlan Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 3:14 PM Subject: Re: KUBA Jim, I assume your refering to the interference caused on the sidebands by HD radio, or the fact that HD stations are limited to 5KHZ analog bandwith. When you're driving Sacramento south KUBA is beat up by the digital sideband of 1570 KCVR out of Lodi. Even KFBK is effected by them when you get closer to Stockton. A couple of questions: 1. What effect would your AM stereo exciter have on the above? 2. Which reciever manufacturers are making AM stereo receivers? 3. As with C-QUAM or Khan AM stereo, does the transmitter have to be de-tuned to accomodate the exciter and what effect will that have on power consumption? 4. Are you promoting the exciter you're offering to be an alternative to HD radio? Thanks, Bob Breck CEO/General Manager Nevada County Broadcasters, Inc. KNCO/STAR 94.1/KUBA 1255 E. Main St. Grass Valley, CA 95945 (530) 272-3424 (530) 272-2872 fax bobbreck@knco.com www.knco.com www.mystarradio.com www.am1600kuba.com ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net To: Bob Breck Cc: jim smith Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:26 PM Subject: Re: KUBA Hi Bob The only clear sound i am going to hear from your station is on the netcast that you guys put out. If you want hear what i am talking about drive south and than tune to KCBS AM ALL NEWS 740 and use a analog radio. And it will not matter wich radio you will use you will still hear the 50kw side bands from the bay area. Thanks Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Breck To: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Cc: Bob Harlan Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 2:01 PM Subject: KUBA Jim, Your message regarding AM stereo was forwarded to me for a response. I appreciate your offer but we are slowly moving in the direction of IBOC/HD radio which will be the accepted standard for crystal clear stereo broadcasts on AM frequencies. Thank You, Bob Breck CEO/General Manager Nevada County Broadcasters, Inc. KNCO/STAR 94.1/KUBA 1255 E. Main St. Grass Valley, CA 95945 (530) 272-3424 (530) 272-2872 fax bobbreck@knco.com www.knco.com www.mystarradio.com www.am1600kuba.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Sat Oct 29 16:53:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54782 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2005 23:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2005 23:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2005 23:53:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2005 23:53:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2005 23:53:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2005 23:53:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:53:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051027033353.57463.qmail@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: WJR - no pilot? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=5mC4pacLMsm24w1bXyTPNCEXhwib3fHJKHlyET9e56W57MbfitBr X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Hello, It appears that WJR has abandoned C-QuAM, judging by their lack=20 of response to my e-mail inquiries. It is too bad, as I enjoyed=20 listening to the University of Michigan Saturday football games in=20 AM stereo (now they have dropped U-of-M in favor of Michigan State=20 University football). Years ago they had Detroit Tigers and Red=20 Wings in stereo, and these were absolutely stunning broadcasts to=20 hear. It literally sounded as though I was in the stadium. I will=20 also miss the Thanksgiving Day parade in C-QuAM stereo.=20=20=20=20=20=20 If you would like to drop a line (even Bob Green can do so),=20 please write online to WJR at: http://www.wjr.com/contactus.asp Also, letters and telephone calls can be directed as follows: WJR-AM Attn: Mike Fezzey, WJR President & General Manager 3011 West Grand Blvd. Fisher Building Suite 800 Detroit, MI 48202 General Information: 313-875-4440 WJR is owned by ABC Disney, which will have their 70 radio=20 stations on the auction block (after the Susquehanna radio auction=20 closes, to determine value based upon multiples of cash flow).=20=20 ABC had spent millions of dollars to silence WFRO and to=20 construct a new 50kW facility for WFDF in Monroe county. They also=20 are testing HD Radio, and program Radio Disney on this AM=20 station.=20=20=20=20 If the discontinuance of C-QuAM was a corporate ABC missive, then WBAP and WLS are not far behind (get those air checks recorded=20 now). I can receive WLS here in southeast Michigan at night, and=20 they are an awesome sounding station. I also listened to WBAP from=20 Columbus, Ohio at night when WOSU left the air. Driving around I have not noticed any WJR coverage changes from=20 stereo to mono, though have asked Kit Sage and others to note any=20 differences. Due to WJR's decreased audio bandwidth, I can hear WSB=20 and WABC better at night.=20 We need to get those letters written to WJR and support AM=20 stereo. Crawford will be dropping C-QuAM by 2008 on all of their AM=20 stations, so two additional local AM stereo stations will be lost as=20 well.=20=20=20 Thanks for listening, Jeff Deck Meduci America http://Meduci.com http://AMStereoTuner.com=20=20=20=20=20 From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Oct 29 18:20:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75446 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2005 01:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2005 01:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2005 01:20:52 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.28]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 23732864 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:20:50 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c5dcf0$8c293620$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:23:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.212.28 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WILD in AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=S04RK6DKv-WRRA9jgA4PxNwQLRfLJJqOJtpK4JezbmpYUkS9UL9z X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Except if they're going IBOC, they'll still need two lines for stereo, unless they've got a way to do the encoding at the studio and send it over a digital line. Black gospel sounds great in AM stereo. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lehmann" > Ever since they moved their studios from Roxbury to Quincy last year, the > audio has been in mono anyway. This was just the nail in the > coffin. I saw this coming, since they're also on the list to go IBOC. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Oct 29 18:24:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93811 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2005 01:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2005 01:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2005 01:24:16 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.28]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 23297092 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:24:15 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c5dcf1$05f1f820$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:26:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 1, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.212.28 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Magic 693 / AMS / DAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=uQbs8KWxzeGVa7NwZJjAD82llj7yDsaem8bmAXoX28OY_wmFaIMD X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude What with DRM now available on the VHF bands and up, perhaps it's time to look at that. IIRC it's an upgradeable system unlike E147. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" > What follows is a reply to some questions to Gary Hoffman - station > manager of Magic 693. > > G'day Ian, > > In regard to DAB, the minister has announced all existing commercial > operators in the cap cities will be granted spectrum, with the rollout to > begin three years from now. The system will be Eureka 147 unless a better > technology comes along in the meantime (which hopefully it will). > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Oct 30 06:08:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4025 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2005 14:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2005 14:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2005 14:08:22 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EWDr6-0002wZ-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:08:21 -0500 Message-ID: <04a701c5dd5b$61a43100$6602a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:02:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Yamaha TX-492 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=hPFSnXqsIkNvSF0-yxTJPu4T8cwtMWwmhypLks5uCK0R9WmJeObvCopfn46-yw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob wrote: > We have a great AM Stereo station here in Greenville, SC. WPCI at 1490. WPCI is using the old WESC Stereo generator and does sound GREAT! The last time I was in Greenville, I listened with a Vistion Ford Mach1 radio and it sounded better than any of the FMs. > > I've been wanting a Sansui TU-S77AMX for a long time but can't find one or one I can afford on eBay. Before you plop down your money for an AM Stereo tuner just to listen to WPCI, just beware it is on the list to convert to HD Radio. http://www.ibiquity.com/cgi-bin/liststations?state=SC On the other hand, WGCR http://wgcr.org/ puts a nice C-QUAM signal into Greenville. Also WCZZ 1090 puts a C-QUAM signal into the southern part of the Greenville market. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Oct 30 11:27:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28553 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2005 19:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2005 19:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.137) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2005 19:27:48 -0000 Received: from storefull-3337.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 5DD25D625 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:26:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3337.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id LAA03532; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:26:55 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQ+wF2LGWJ8OzwhSa5N1kk+rFpQaQIVAJkX5aUlhkv1Flw10p+zPh2yuaui Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:26:54 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <29915-43651E7E-7185@storefull-3337.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 30 Oct 2005 18:38:57 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1715 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=CkZeaS2-ADG0o-uqD6fo3SKCHlzKKBDAdUvG-dw2Ec_YB2ETRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re: No STereo on WJR I have been wondering about them as of late, I had my Delco UX-1 AM/ST Car radio hooked up, recently and could get NO stereo on WJR at night, BUT Stereo on WBAP 820 Fort Worth, Dallas. WBAP was the ONLY station with a stereo pilot. Chicago's WLS, WGN no pilot, but this can vary with overall band conditions on a given night. Bill Snyder - Omaha, NE Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 597-5276 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Oct 30 15:02:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96298 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2005 23:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2005 23:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2005 23:02:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2005 23:01:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2005 23:01:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:01:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.35.71 From: "Dave" Subject: Can an c-quam decoder be added to a Icom PCR-1000 ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=UyydPjMdFX3A5TR0YWRFG6JHgpQIn4Qs0gpRa92hHTP0qvr29Q X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Many of these dx tuners www.dxtuners.com are using the Icom PCR-1000. Anyone added one of Chris Cuffs decoders to this receiver ? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Oct 31 08:04:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83945 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2005 16:04:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2005 16:04:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 16:04:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 73048 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Oct 2005 16:04:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20051031160417.73046.qmail@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:04:16 PST Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:04:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1130697537.944.99007.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: WJR doesn't care, but I do X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=LqUNG0bdncRh7Dq3dsDCDMGK2Cnbaaj5hGwohPIJlBq7wMCX-0uJ0vc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I have received no response from WJR in regards to dropping stereo. Sad. It's amazing how dull and lifeless the station sounds now with the crappy bandwidth and lack of stereo. I couldn't believe a 50KW signal would sound so poor and "just there" - it doesn't jump out at you with their (once) terriffic stereo commercials or music, or football games! __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Mon Oct 31 21:39:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77202 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 05:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 05:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 05:39:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 05:36:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 05:36:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 05:36:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051031160417.73046.qmail@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.213.15 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: WJR doesn't care, but I do X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=GiziPI4z500vaSQlQcDiLtUS9zQfR59TymdEOwG7MyBgf9rwl8Bs9w X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote= : > > I have received no response from WJR in regards to dropping stereo. Sad. = It's > amazing how dull and lifeless the station sounds now with the crappy band= width > and lack of stereo. I couldn't believe a 50KW signal would sound so poor= and > "just there" - it doesn't jump out at you with their (once) terriffic ste= reo > commercials or music, or football games! It's equally sad to see the AM Stereo forum drying up. It reflects what's = happening with=20 AMS. In L.A., only two stations, KABC and KFOX, are left. db _________________________________=20 > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Oct 31 22:55:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87140 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 06:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 06:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 06:55:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 06:54:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 06:54:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 06:54:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.15.62 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: WJR doesn't care, but I do X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=6FNt4B-CfmZx2OWZQxFKbMsYEnogCrFei280xPpon0GPkYY3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" =20 wrote: > > It's equally sad to see the AM Stereo forum drying up. It reflects=20 what's happening with=20 > AMS. In L.A., only two stations, KABC and KFOX, are left. The only AMS receivers available commercially, short of buying a new=20 car, are two high-end receivers. That doesn't help. Japan is the only market still selling AMS radios off-the-shelf to=20 consumers. Most don't know how or where to find an importer that=20 offers these. That doesn't help much, either. Used AMS radios crop up on eBay almost weekly. They're not new,=20 though. There are a few who make and sell custom receivers- but they can't=20 mass-produce and get out commercially. There are still new cars coming out with AMS, but the feature has=20 gotten zip publicity for 15 years now. No-one knows they have it. Three words: BLEND TO MONO. Self-defeating. Stations that did broadcast in AMS never knew if theyt had=20 listeners...and because the OEM radios were never advertiszed, they=20 newver knew that AMS was still available to listeners. People don't support stations as a general rule. When stereo goes=20 away, it means little. People just move on. Most here are simply fair-weather friends of AMS, and do very little=20 to keep AMS going. In the entire AMS community, there are perhaps a dozen who will=20 experiment or build their own AMS gear. I love AMS, and still suypport it, even in the face of what's going=20 on. How many others here would do that? No, AMS is not dead- There are still stations devoted to keeping the=20 stereo going (though in California, this ain't lookin' very good=20 right now)... As long as there are people still interested in AM stereo... As long=20 as at least one broadcaster stays on.... It ain't dead. But there is a huge communications gap between broadcasters and=20 listeners. Not good at all. Do something... Please. Keep analogue stereo on AM (and SW/LW)...=20 Write letters... Ask to be interviewed... Make some publicity... Let=20 the whole bloody world know there are still listeners of C-QUAM AM=20 stereo out there! And if you work at a station..... If you got it, USE IT! There's=20 still a good 10% of your radfio audience still with an AM stereo=20 receiver! Not all these cars are gone, yet... And some still have the=20 tuners and portables from the '80s and '90s in working shape- There=20 are still THOUSANDS of listeners out there! I care. Do you, the reader, still care? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dougharding@bellsouth.net Tue Nov 01 04:59:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39152 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 12:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 12:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 12:59:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 12:58:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 12:58:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:58:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.6.205.68 From: "douglasharding" Subject: Re: WJR doesn't care, but I do X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352; y=bW7o5o3Tvp2tkeA4PaE99DUEYE8LDXOFcJz00lpaKA3tyw0zoq88V5U X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Yes Amy I still care and you are right my 2005 FORD does have c-quam AM Stereo. I am still using a Chris Cuff stereo txmitter to broadcast my computer audio streams around my house where in most rooms there is a AM Stereo tuner although most of them are over 10 years old. When I have new friends over I broadcast Sirius Satellite 60s channel over it and it blows everyone away when they hear it. They cannot believe they are hearing AM Stereo. They all think it sounds better then FM Stereo. They also think it is a brand new thing. There are two things that killed AM Stereo. The first was Kann. The second was music left the AM band and there was no longer a need for it. I too am very sad to see it die but I think the nails are in the coffin lid and there is no hope.=20 s >=20 > Do you, the reader, still care? >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Nov 01 05:38:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7920 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 13:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 13:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 13:38:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:38:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.46 by BAY106-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:38:39 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:38:39 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2005 13:38:40.0300 (UTC) FILETIME=[91B176C0:01C5DEE9] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WJR doesn't care, but I do X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Douglas Harding (Texas or Florida?) wrote: "my 2005 FORD does have C-quam AM Stereo." ____________________________________ Hi Douglas, I am just curious what make and model is your 2005 Ford? Do you know if the 2006 same make and model offers the same am stereo unit? Also curious if there is a stereo pilot light. Even though there are no am stereo stations in the St Petersburg/Tampa and = Bradenton/Sarasota markets, there is an am stereo station 1130 about 60 mil= es away and eventually I would like to travel up to St. Augustine to hear a= m stereo oldies 1170. Donn 27.761 latitude north St Petersburg=20 -----Original Message----- From: douglasharding Sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 04:58:56 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WJR doesn't care, but I do Yes Amy I still care and you are right my 2005 FORD does have c-quam AM Stereo. I am still using a Chris Cuff stereo txmitter to broadcast my computer audio streams around my house where in most rooms there is a AM Stereo tuner although most of them are over 10 years old. When I have new friends over I broadcast Sirius Satellite 60s channel over it and it blows everyone away when they hear it. They cannot believe they are hearing AM Stereo. They all think it sounds better then FM Stereo. They also think it is a brand new thing. There are two things that killed AM Stereo. The first was Kann. The second was music left the AM band and there was no longer a need for it. I too am very sad to see it die but I think the nails are in the coffin lid and there is no hope.=20 s >=20 > Do you, the reader, still care? >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From brian60420@yahoo.com Tue Nov 01 09:37:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22310 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 17:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 17:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 17:37:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 17:34:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 17:34:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:34:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <29915-43651E7E-7185@storefull-3337.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 144.226.173.68 From: "brian60420" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1715 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275; y=NBwtLWBj6qejvLyhypIYL7jnBpa5bFC-y6NJ6hsJpaWuOuqVTA X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Don't give up hope. WLS and WRDZ are loud and in Stereo. Chicago is 2=20 for 2. It baffles me that there is no mention of Stereo at these=20 stations however. It's not in the model. It's not part of the formula. There are about=20 4 other music stations in Chicago that are mono. What's their problem? People know more about iPods, cellphones and XM than AM. That's=20 because it's about programming choices, not Stereo. At least with=20 players and satellite radio, you get a choice.=20 I'd like to see AM integrated into players and cellphones, but now=20 we're back to the interference issue.=20 In my opinion, AM Stereo will only live if BROADCASTERS promote it=20 and the devices that support them. It's not in the model. It's not part of the formula.=20 brian --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > > Re: No STereo on WJR I have been wondering about them as of=20 late, > I had my Delco UX-1 AM/ST Car radio hooked up, recently and=20 could get > NO stereo on WJR at night, BUT Stereo on WBAP 820 Fort Worth,=20 Dallas. > WBAP was the ONLY station with a stereo pilot.=20 > Chicago's WLS, WGN no pilot, but this can vary with overall=20 band > conditions on a given night. Bill Snyder - Omaha, NE >=20 >=20=20=20 > Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 597-5276 > Omaha, Nebraska=20=20=20 > I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and > wiring items, and a lot more!! > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage >=20 > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 > ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From dougharding@bellsouth.net Tue Nov 01 12:09:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95283 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 20:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 20:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 20:09:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 20:07:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 20:07:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:07:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 147.70.112.86 From: "douglasharding" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WJR doesn't care, but I do X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185875352; y=Z9PUgvyOueTcAjbeiQxA1kfsAnvGfyDqezTyA0y1wInGSkv54sIYlk0 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Donn my car is a 2005 FORD Thunderbird with AM Stereo/FM Stereo and Sirius Satellite Radio. The tuner in it is also wideband and some AM stations sound better then FM. Yes the ST lights up when a AM stereo station is on. I tested it with one of Chris Cuffs battery operated AM stereo transmitters. I hooked up a CD player to it and played The Doors Light my Fire song which has great stereo seperation. The ST light came on and the stereo sound was unbelivable! It really did sound better then FM stereo in the car. I do know that all FORD Thunderbirds 2002 through 2005 have AM Stereo. There will be no 2006 T-bird.=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" wrote: > Hi Douglas, I am just curious what make and model is your 2005 Ford? >=20 > Do you know if the 2006 same make and model offers the same am stereo unit? >=20 > Also curious if there is a stereo pilot light. >=20 >=20 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Nov 01 17:03:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26876 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2005 01:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2005 01:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2005 01:03:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2005 01:02:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2005 01:02:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2005 01:02:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:02:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.238.219 From: "Kevin T." Subject: 1680 WTTM stunting with Country music X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=vQBIsF0GqaS_UNodNQhsT6-LhyAihGE3Dwypb2zylWqEB7ezeQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Catch it while you can! New Jersey's Expanded Band powerhouse 1680 WTTM will be moving to a new transmitter site in the Camden, NJ=20 area this Saturday, but until then, the existing Princeton-area=20 transmitter will be on the air with commercial-free Country music in=20 full C-Quam AM Stereo. For you DXers out there, this should make it=20 easy to identify WTTM's far-reaching skywave signal at night. WTTM's former "EBC Radio" South Asian music format is now heard on=20 1170 WWTR in Bridgewater, NJ, a low-power daytime-only station which=20 is quite a downgrade from WTTM, but offers the benefit of being=20 closer to EBC's target audience area. WWTR currently transmits in=20 mono, but if Neal gets his wish of being able to take care of the=20 engineering at WWTR's transmitter site (which will continue to be=20 owned by Greater Media, not by EBC, as they are only leasing the=20 station's airtime) then we might see 1170 WWTR on the air in AM Stereo soon. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Nov 01 17:12:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33800 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2005 01:12:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2005 01:12:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2005 01:12:29 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EX7Az-0007b0-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:12:29 -0500 Message-ID: <014e01c5df4a$7cfc4a50$6402a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:12:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WJR doesn't care, but I do X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=oKjyHDHs8KUxjVSo64LlEQSW8yTlzgt-jM4xSyBW2-seb2qmL_eGO6GbS1uLVA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 douglasharding wrote: > There are two things that killed AM Stereo. The first was Kann. Speaking of Kahn, here in East Central Florida is a Kahn Power-Side station that for the past couple of days has been in full blown Kahn ISB Stereo, complete with 15Hz pilot. Perhaps it is an accident that the switch was flipped on the exciter, or maybe a rogue engineer has been at work? Who knows, but *I* ain't ratting them out! ISB is better than HD-Radio any day of the week! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Nov 01 17:22:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14120 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2005 01:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2005 01:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2005 01:22:35 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:22:14 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.48.253.196 by BAY101-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:22:14 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:22:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2005 01:22:14.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB61D410:01C5DF4B] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.75 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WJR doesn't care, but I do X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=ODjP8gtjagurFcAzl2CLGKZCs6q_a3r4JV7QmVATvBwl8e7QW7X7WIAKsf7P2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > In the entire AMS community, there are perhaps a dozen who will experiment > or build their own AMS gear. Now that I have moved and got my household set back up, I will have my Part 15s back on the air in the next couple of days. The first project is to get my Long-Wave beacon back on the air for the Winter season. I have also been screwing around with some Tesla and Moray technology projects. > > I love AMS, and still suypport it, even in the face of what's going on. > How many others here would do that? While they are flea powered, I do keep a couple of AM Stereo signals on the air most of the time. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Nov 01 17:28:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29421 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2005 01:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2005 01:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2005 01:28:01 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EX7Q1-0002EP-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:28:01 -0500 Message-ID: <015c01c5df4c$a8805b60$6402a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:27:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WJR doesn't care, but I do X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=c41psweFI_VYkK1Nyp1GTwRY8_5ADyQLsEu2YygAsXK3a8uYqmwDxzZiQRDhbw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Donn Tillman wrote: > Do you know if the 2006 same make and model offers the same am stereo > unit? All of the Vistion-Ford "Mach" series AM-FM-CD and AM-FM-Sirius-CD radios have C-QUAM. Saturday I picked up a CD-6 "Mach" head unit for $10 at a yard sale! I am going to install it in the dash of my motorhome in the next couple of days. I want to upgrade the speakers while I am at it. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Nov 01 18:29:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14596 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2005 02:29:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2005 02:29:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.96) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2005 02:29:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:28:55 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.44 by BAY106-DAV24.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 02:28:54 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 02:28:54 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2005 02:28:55.0169 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BE6D710:01C5DF55] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WJR doesn't care, but I do X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Thanks for the info Kevin. Now, have you left Thonotosassa for good? (or bad! :) ) btw- the station you're speaking of, is it somewhere between 1290 and 1390 = on the dial. (didn't want to reveal the exact station) Donn -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter Sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:27:58 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WJR doesn't care, but I do Donn Tillman wrote: > Do you know if the 2006 same make and model offers the same am stereo=20 > unit? All of the Vistion-Ford "Mach" series AM-FM-CD and AM-FM-Sirius-CD radios=20 have C-QUAM. Saturday I picked up a CD-6 "Mach" head unit for $10 at a yard sale! I am=20 going to install it in the dash of my motorhome in the next couple of days.= =20 I want to upgrade the speakers while I am at it. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical=20 standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Nov 01 19:17:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27176 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2005 03:17:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2005 03:17:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2005 03:17:08 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EX97c-0003AQ-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:17:08 -0500 Message-ID: <01ec01c5df5b$e84178b0$6402a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:17:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WJR doesn't care, but I do X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=CoPy1xhuLngp9U-HJnIxWpVAAEczyOVshDU8dUQyFp3-zpAidGamPHA1QhuwoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Donn Tillman wrote: > Now, have you left Thonotosassa for good? (or bad! :) ) Yes, I have left for good, and it was for the GOOD! I do miss local reception of WSJT-FM 94.1, but my trusty Magnum Dynalab FT-101 will drag it in at my new location! I just hope that Joel Hollander (The dumb-ass that runs Infinity) doesn't screw up WSJT like he has been doing with other Infinity stations such as WJMK, WCBS-FM and WXRK. Since "Jack" on WRBQ-FM 104.7 bombed and died in Tampa, maybe he wont screw with it...But there still isn't a "Free-FM" in Florida, so all Infinity stations in the market are still in danger. After Howard Stern goes to Sirius, Joel Hollander is going to shake up the format on WBZZ 1010. Perhaps it will become the only "Free-FM" on the AM dial! LOL > > btw- the station you're speaking of, is it somewhere between 1290 and 1390 on the dial. (didn't want to reveal the exact station) It is the one that you think it is! LOL Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Nov 01 19:22:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47219 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2005 03:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2005 03:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2005 03:22:11 -0000 Received: from [4.247.125.128] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EX9CS-0002V6-PX for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:22:09 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22005113232219125@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.108.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:22:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bca50e658861c795a4f3d3e91d3658c1d2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WJR doesn't care, but I do X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=oFdq0wI2ry9gOWIKjUeOcb98_gLRSO7fgF9sCZKPao_eLQ My 2001 Ford Ranger pickup has a deluxe Ford CD/cassette/radio system in it (and therefore maybe C-QUAM), but when I checked out 1130 am in Bartow, FL about a year ago, I did not get any indication of AM stereo. No pilot light, no separation. However, maybe the radio isn't AM stereo. (??) Dick W. (Tampa) . > [Original Message] > From: Donn Tillman > To: ; > Date: 11/1/2005 8:38:42 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WJR doesn't care, but I do > > Douglas Harding (Texas or Florida?) wrote: > > "my 2005 FORD does have C-quam > AM Stereo." > ____________________________________ > Hi Douglas, I am just curious what make and model is your 2005 Ford? > > Do you know if the 2006 same make and model offers the same am stereo unit? > > Also curious if there is a stereo pilot light. > > > Even though there are no am stereo stations in the St Petersburg/Tampa and Bradenton/Sarasota markets, there is an am stereo station 1130 about 60 miles away and eventually I would like to travel up to St. Augustine to hear am stereo oldies 1170. > > Donn > 27.761 latitude north > St Petersburg > > > -----Original Message----- > From: douglasharding > Sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 04:58:56 -0800 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: WJR doesn't care, but I do > > Yes Amy I still care and you are right my 2005 FORD does have c-quam > AM Stereo. I am still using a Chris Cuff stereo txmitter to broadcast > my computer audio streams around my house where in most rooms there is > a AM Stereo tuner although most of them are over 10 years old. When I > have new friends over I broadcast Sirius Satellite 60s channel over it > and it blows everyone away when they hear it. They cannot believe they > are hearing AM Stereo. They all think it sounds better then FM Stereo. > They also think it is a brand new thing. > > There are two things that killed AM Stereo. The first was Kann. The > second was music left the AM band and there was no longer a need for > it. I too am very sad to see it die but I think the nails are in the > coffin lid and there is no hope. > > s > > > > Do you, the reader, still care? > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Nov 02 10:30:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45118 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2005 18:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2005 18:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.139) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2005 18:30:30 -0000 Received: from storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 5392DD8C4; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:24:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id KAA04342; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:24:30 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQRGMmhl3FeRqs7WwFKxH4MIaQHFwIUMJ1SspayMA9WYkUjYitjAMSUL/0= Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:24:29 -0600 To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <22429-4369045D-368@storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Phil Rafuse" 's message of Wed, 02 Nov 2005 14:04:08 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Iboc on KFAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=R-5MroCSfyk4BoC348p-CEnmB2HVCSo-OoX2V4tTCJ9n0qfPMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Hello, I have noticed that the local blow torch 1110 KFAB Omaha is turning the Digi-Hash IBOC OFF during the Rush Limbaugh program... 11 to 2 PM CDT. >> Wonder IF they get complaints?? about the hashy IBOC noise. Some receiver(s) are affected more that others. Need to monitor this further, I realized that KFAB was doing some antenna work, recently, But I thought that project is complete. Ohhhh For the glorious days of Motorola C-Quam Am Stereo.. KFAB had a stellar sound back in their (( Am Stereo )) Music days.... IMHO. Bill Snyder - Omaha Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 597-5276 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Nov 02 16:59:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64596 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 00:59:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 00:59:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 00:59:26 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.210]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 24613892 for ; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:57:35 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c5e011$fab10c20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:00:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.212.210 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1680 WTTM stunting with Country music X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=vJQmmHayCyd6eaBYQmyR-DkSC8SZwored6bOzp__bvmE8VnSqo3l X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Any idea of what they'll be programming once the move is complete? Neal will still keep them in stereo, right? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 7:02 PM Subject: {AMSF} 1680 WTTM stunting with Country music > Catch it while you can! New Jersey's Expanded Band powerhouse > 1680 WTTM will be moving to a new transmitter site in the Camden, NJ > area this Saturday, but until then, the existing Princeton-area > transmitter will be on the air with commercial-free Country music in > full C-Quam AM Stereo. For you DXers out there, this should make it > easy to identify WTTM's far-reaching skywave signal at night. > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Nov 02 17:01:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93209 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 01:01:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 01:01:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 01:01:09 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.210]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 24601704 for ; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 19:00:15 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c5e012$5a1843e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:03:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.212.210 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WJR doesn't care, but I do X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=mEp3SdZ-Z9FX78DBW22IaE1jhXtyjPEAVndhKUyUC1z3AYNMDdAL X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It also reflects the fact that those of us here are just average folks and not the industry movers and shakers who could really save what we love- music in AM stereo. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "dbdigital2004" > > It's equally sad to see the AM Stereo forum drying up. It reflects what's happening with > AMS. In L.A., only two stations, KABC and KFOX, are left. From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Wed Nov 02 17:22:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42765 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 01:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 01:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 01:22:22 -0000 Received: from [69.3.213.15] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EXTnz-00089n-Tq for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:22:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <004e01c5e012$5a1843e0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <004e01c5e012$5a1843e0$d503fea9@stodd> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:25:48 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-ELNK-Trace: 726593d8db6908e21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec791cd3f8e276abe1b86c18ff8c28b62356350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Daniel Brown Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WJR doesn't care, but I do X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=LziQ8ioF2kvQVmwSMCIa0CehbQo2Rr66Z6ADKR12f2gQ3aM5zFPhJg X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable True. Outside of a modest investment in AMS receiving gear, none here=20 that I know of has an AM station whose future needs planning or a=20 pipeline to Chairman Martin's ear. It now appears that most AM stations are waiting to see what will=20 finally happen with digital and the FCC before investing in any=20 hardware. Will IBOC be deemed unsuitable for AM? Will Kahn CAM-D or=20 DRM be the future? At any rate, it seems to me that while the dust is settling on this=20 issue, the best thing an AM station can do is provide the best analog=20 signal it can and that means wide band and AMS, if they have it. KABC=20 has gotten it right. db On Nov 2, 2005, at 5:03 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > It also reflects the fact that those of us here are just average folks=20 > and > not the industry movers and shakers who could really save what we=20 > love- > music in AM stereo. > > Scott > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dbdigital2004" > > > > It's equally sad to see the AM Stereo forum drying up.=C2=A0 It reflec= ts=20 > what's > happening with > > AMS.=C2=A0 In L.A., only two stations, KABC and KFOX, are left. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > =C2=A0 > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > =C2=A0amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =C2=A0 > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Term= s of=20 > Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Nov 02 22:50:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90997 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 06:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 06:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao12.cox.net) (68.230.241.27) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 06:50:02 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.6] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051103064809.JEJH2059.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@[192.168.0.6]> for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 01:48:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <004e01c5e012$5a1843e0$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:48:58 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WJR doesn't care, but I do X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=CzPA62TYVoIDIb9UBeeZB358QVmtD90uaaJjJkwQYOYr0aOwKpEMZnBkMDVi X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner But probably not for too much longer. On Nov 2, 2005, at 5:25 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: > the best thing an AM station can do is provide the best analog > signal it can and that means wide band and AMS, if they have it. KABC > has gotten it right. From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Nov 03 02:51:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31335 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 10:51:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 10:51:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 10:51:02 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.46] (pool-71-250-70-147.nwrknj.east.verizon.net [71.250.70.147]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jA3ApHwV095233 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 05:51:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <4369EB8A.2000201@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 05:50:50 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <004501c5e011$fab10c20$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <004501c5e011$fab10c20$d503fea9@stodd> X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1680 WTTM stunting with Country music X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=-SeIEw2ZzaA1wkK91xmw36732OMAaVEyO_lZeFTVmepbxw X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will run Country through till Saturday.. during the testing stages of the new site. bigband swing the station will be Spanish format No AM Stereo... lets say there is a Box with an intel chip( you Guess) Scott Todd wrote: >Any idea of what they'll be programming once the move is complete? Neal >will still keep them in stereo, right? > >Scott Todd > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kevin T." >To: >Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 7:02 PM >Subject: {AMSF} 1680 WTTM stunting with Country music > > > > >>Catch it while you can! New Jersey's Expanded Band powerhouse >>1680 WTTM will be moving to a new transmitter site in the Camden, NJ >>area this Saturday, but until then, the existing Princeton-area >>transmitter will be on the air with commercial-free Country music in >>full C-Quam AM Stereo. For you DXers out there, this should make it >>easy to identify WTTM's far-reaching skywave signal at night. >> >> >> > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Nov 03 14:20:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30785 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 22:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 22:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 22:20:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 89177 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Nov 2005 22:20:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20051103222006.89175.qmail@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 14:20:05 PST Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:20:05 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1131051979.312.13005.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1719 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=AZ_t2MWuSmYs349RCa8SGbJOD-9R4rILZwN-XUYiVvH8bkiV5ngYorU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Neal Newman wrote: "1680 WTTM stunting with Country music > I will run Country through till Saturday.. during the testing stages of > the new site. bigband swing the station will be Spanish format > No AM Stereo... lets say there is a Box with an intel chip( you Guess) Why no AMS? Don't they have their music in stereo on their piece-o-crap computer? Can you move the AMS over to the other station? __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Nov 03 18:31:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54403 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2005 02:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2005 02:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2005 02:31:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2005 02:31:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2005 02:30:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 02:30:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051103222006.89175.qmail@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.238.219 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1719 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=e28IGnTE9_He1S6TTZjq1aaNrjmIfKfss2Xsq5d3beGFNm-oMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Why no AMS? Don't they have their music in stereo on their > piece-o-crap computer? Can you move the AMS over to the other > station? I think Neal means that at the new site, WTTM will be experimenting=20 with the modern-day Edsel known as IBOC. But don't expect that to last long. If even Radio World's "Guy Wire"=20 admits that AM IBOC is bound to be a failure, then you can be sure=20 that even iBiquity shareholders are starting to realize that AM IBOC=20 is irrecoverably flawed and should be abandoned. From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Thu Nov 03 21:58:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8119 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2005 05:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2005 05:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2005 05:58:01 -0000 Received: from [69.3.213.15] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EXuaO-0001Gw-Je for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 00:58:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <6d1ec47277cee4945eb10a525d400f45@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:01:33 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-ELNK-Trace: 726593d8db6908e21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79b1ec93d30d09dd517e29489aca951414350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Daniel Brown Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1719 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=rq9jdxgWYBPYV06-lXTfmq8ad1NulcI3hUoC1ursekB8ByNQpHwq5g X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, but there are many to this day who swear that the Edsel was a=20 great, if misunderstood, car. I think it's amusing to see all these early adopters of AM IBOC being=20 forced to switch it off and iBiquity's master plan for AM suddenly=20 screech to a halt. In the last few months, I haven't read of any AM=20 stations who have installed IBOC equipment or even voiced a commitment=20 to it. Obviously, IBOC will dominate FM but that may be it for this technology. db On Nov 3, 2005, at 6:30 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > Why no AMS?=C2=A0 Don't they have their music in stereo on their > > piece-o-crap computer?=C2=A0 Can you move the AMS over to the other > > station? > > I think Neal means that at the new site, WTTM will be experimenting > with the modern-day Edsel known as IBOC. > > But don't expect that to last long.=C2=A0 If even Radio World's "Guy Wir= e" > admits that AM IBOC is bound to be a failure, then you can be sure > that even iBiquity shareholders are starting to realize that AM IBOC > is irrecoverably flawed and should be abandoned. > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo > Digital radio > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > =C2=A0 > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > =C2=A0amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =C2=A0 > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Term= s of=20 > Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Fri Nov 04 01:23:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83619 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2005 09:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2005 09:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2005 09:23:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2005 09:23:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2005 09:23:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2005 09:23:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:23:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6d1ec47277cee4945eb10a525d400f45@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Digest Number 1719 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=yIerWzCJZKEBdkfWlOXJc-ejTWDPTdspWSh5cBf-e06X6mZKh933 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Hello, WFDF in Monroe county Michigan launched IBOC this week on an=20 eight tower directional 50kW facility. WFDF is also an ABC-owned=20 station programing Radio Disney. ABC is a major investor to iBiquity. WJR ceased their C-QuAM stereo last month, and will not respond to my inquiries. It is interesting to note that WFDF's IBOC completely obliterates the Detroit Metropolitan Airport TIS on 920kHz. I was at the airport yesterday, and no matter how I oriented my Aiwa AM stereo walkman, I could never hear the TIS station.=20 73, Jeff http://Meduci.com You write: >Yeah, but there are many to this day who swear that the Edsel was=20 >a great, if misunderstood, car. >=20 >I think it's amusing to see all these early adopters of AM IBOC >being forced to switch it off and iBiquity's master plan for AM >suddenly screech to a halt. In the last few months, I haven't=20 >read of any AM stations who have installed IBOC equipment or even >voiced a commitment to it. >=20 >Obviously, IBOC will dominate FM but that may be it for this >technology. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 04 16:48:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58540 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2005 00:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2005 00:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2005 00:48:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2005 00:48:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2005 00:48:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2005 00:48:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 00:48:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6d1ec47277cee4945eb10a525d400f45@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.238.219 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1719 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=SwQJolrfCBYAL3-g4E0ISEHEBJn2EvAJm0RKx2xG3kMuT9oRCw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I think it's amusing to see all these early adopters of AM IBOC > being forced to switch it off and iBiquity's master plan for AM > suddenly screech to a halt. In the last few months, I haven't read > of any AM stations who have installed IBOC equipment or even voiced > a commitment to it. I think some stations are keeping AM IBOC on the air just to prove=20 how bad it really is. For example, current sunrise and sunset times=20 in the Northeast are approximately 7:00 AM and 5:00 PM. However, the=20 FCC set up a loophole where stations can keep their IBOC on the air=20 from at least 6:00 AM to 6:00 PM. So, Infinity's 1030 WBZ in Boston=20 has their IBOC on between those hours, and as a result, every early=20 morning and late afternoon, they murder Infinity's own 1010 WINS and=20 1020 KDKA and also ABC's 1050 WEPN with a continuous blast of IBOC=20 hash and hiss from WBZ's skywave signal. And poor little 1040 WCHR=20 here in NJ might as well become a daytimer, because WBZ's IBOC=20 absolutely destroys their 1000-watt nighttime signal. So, even former die-hard IBOC supporters are starting to realize that=20 if AM IBOC can't even "get along with its neighbors" when only a=20 handful of stations on the band are using it, then you can be sure=20 that all hell would break loose if every station was using it -- and=20 the big 50 kW clear channel stations actually fare the worst, because=20 they have the farthest-reaching signals and thus have the potential=20 to cause mutual interference even at great distances. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 04 17:09:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30862 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2005 01:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2005 01:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2005 01:09:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2005 00:58:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2005 00:58:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 00:58:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.238.219 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Digest Number 1719 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=nD5brr_Ebjo3IfN0bjLT8ywdVxeI3GIaQLxh4VAqOiH4RoZMEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It is interesting to note that WFDF's IBOC completely > obliterates the Detroit Metropolitan Airport TIS on 920kHz. I was > at the airport yesterday, and no matter how I oriented my Aiwa > AM stereo walkman, I could never hear the TIS station.=20 TIS stations have no rights when it comes to interference from=20 licensed broadcast stations. The only thing they can do is change to a different frequency. My town has a license for a TIS on 680 kHz, but with 710 WOR's 50,000-watt IBOC signal being only 25 miles away (pumping out the equivalent of over 100,000 watts in=20 this direction from their directional array), it never was built and=20 the TIS license will just sit unused until it expires. Also, the=20 neighboring town has a TIS on 1610 kHz that will be murdered if 1600 WWRL ever switches to IBOC (although WWRL seems quite happy to=20 be New York City's last remaining Kahn Power-Side station). From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Nov 04 17:36:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5637 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2005 01:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2005 01:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2005 01:36:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 92671 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2005 01:36:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20051105013603.92669.qmail@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.155.122] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 17:36:03 PST Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:36:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1131141873.1026.37892.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: WJR - no more stereo, but.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=3Gf79pa28sQMdEy2LXvZ7VYDfNvAB89fKUtFvT5g9CRyHw7letIAers X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Jeff wrote: "WJR ceased their C-QuAM stereo last month, and will not respond to my inquiries." I did get a reply, and they have turned-off the CQuam in preparation for IBOC on WJR, although they have not turned it on yet. He said that they will also do a gradual reduction in audio bandwidth too. How sad, as WJR sure had a nice stereo signal for a long time. He didn't say it, but it appears to me that it is an ABC/Disney mandate to go with the IBOC wreck, and Detroit stations are facing intense pressure to install IBOC to demo for the Automotive industry. Actually, this could be a good thing to have IBOC on WJR, as they are the most listened-to station in the state of Michigan; if IBOC turns to crap, and WJR loses listeners, they WILL care. We'll wait and see. Regarding WFDF, I think that the buzzsaw sidebands from hell on 930 are coming from WWJ, not WFDF. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From tomray@wor710.com Fri Nov 04 18:17:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74045 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2005 02:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2005 02:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2005 02:17:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2005 02:17:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2005 02:17:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 02:17:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1719 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=CfWuW8t_INHj_L7pwCmb_u7Wf4UQbo8apolwaVFEvmy8Rtd7 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: However, the=20 > FCC set up a loophole where stations can keep their IBOC on the air=20 > from at least 6:00 AM to 6:00 PM. So, Infinity's 1030 WBZ in Boston=20 > has their IBOC on between those hours, and as a result, every early=20 > morning and late afternoon, they murder Infinity's own 1010 WINS and=20 > 1020 KDKA and also ABC's 1050 WEPN with a continuous blast of IBOC=20 > hash and hiss from WBZ's skywave signal. And poor little 1040 WCHR=20 > here in NJ might as well become a daytimer, because WBZ's IBOC=20 > absolutely destroys their 1000-watt nighttime signal. Kevin: There is no FCC 'loophole'. The IBOC rules for Class A AM stations state that, during winter months, it's 6A to 6P....or sunrise to sunset if sunrise is earlier than 6A and sunset is later than 6P.=20=20 And if a lower class station has pre-sunrise authority, they can turn the HD carriers on when they commence their pre-sunrise power. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Nov 04 18:19:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5509 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2005 02:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2005 02:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2005 02:19:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2005 02:18:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2005 02:18:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2005 02:14:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 02:14:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Digest Number 1719 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=Gve2BSGr7AgRRt-b6XKFQa_dRSBTF6TGnoEFB8LRz738ATtu X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: >=20 > But don't expect that to last long. If even Radio World's "Guy Wire"=20 > admits that AM IBOC is bound to be a failure, then you can be sure=20 > that even iBiquity shareholders are starting to realize that AM IBOC=20 > is irrecoverably flawed and should be abandoned. Don't be so sure of yourself, Kev. The NY AM band will soon be lighting up with HD...and I have that on good authority with inside information that I can't share. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Nov 04 18:20:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37597 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2005 02:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2005 02:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2005 02:20:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2005 02:20:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2005 02:20:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2005 02:20:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 02:20:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Digest Number 1719 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=jHmgv2O-9xovu8gyJ4kNzUBQxy3PPVSWPKCqNy5HwCfl-cIB X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: My town has a license for a TIS on > 680 kHz, but with 710 WOR's 50,000-watt IBOC signal being only > 25 miles away (pumping out the equivalent of over 100,000 watts in=20 > this direction from their directional array) WOR only puts an equivalent 85KW in the direction of Philly (and your town). Our lobe towards Long Island is 160KW equivalent. You're correct about the TIS rules stating that these stations have no rights. But they do have responsibilities and cannot interfere. Tom Ray WOR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 04 19:23:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50237 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2005 03:23:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2005 03:23:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2005 03:23:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2005 03:20:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2005 03:20:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2005 03:20:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 03:20:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.238.219 From: "Kevin T." Subject: B.E. C-Quam exciter on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=rXNKCNSaq4uT1YVuMeNisJ7j85cpsbXBGLBukWYf72v4BgC7SQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo exciter: http://cgi1.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5824946626 From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Nov 04 19:32:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94044 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2005 03:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2005 03:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2005 03:32:36 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EYEn8-00019M-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 22:32:31 -0500 Message-ID: <009601c5e1b9$8c6d4d60$6602a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 22:32:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: TIS and FCC "Sports Night Authority" rule Was: Digest Number 1719 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=PgIjCTqaNET1uV65hFYQm_79UUP2yshyvUwzUPgjFrA4GlHiAP5egCZ4-8FHOg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > You're correct about the TIS rules stating that these stations have no > rights. But they do have responsibilities and cannot interfere. Back in 1991 when I was the CE of WFIS 1600, the SCDOT put a TIS on 1610 in front of the local High School about 1/2 Mile from the WFIS transmitter. During the day you couldn't hear the TIS, even when parked next to it! At night, it destroyed our 25 Watt signal on the school grounds for our football coverage. When I came back to WFIS a few years ago, I had to check out complaints all of the time due to a local Real Estate company putting "Talking House" trashmitters all over our City of License on 1610. Now WFIS seems to be operating on the new FCC "Sports Night Authority" rule allowing Class D stations to use their Daytime Antenna and power to cover local High School Sports! LOL Just tonight, I picked up WFIS at my listening location 397 Miles South-East of the transmitter! SURE that was 25 Watts....uh-huh. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From starship_2001@msn.com Sat Nov 05 06:51:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22154 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2005 14:51:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2005 14:51:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.95) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2005 14:51:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 06:51:38 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.12 by BAY106-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 14:51:37 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 14:51:37 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2005 14:51:38.0199 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CC6D670:01C5E218] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 1719 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=2c9XIouQvVjFNHIz0NUvTNlyKC6ysgWIcIzWETDIB8ZJ7OJNiqhXq-1LTA X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Time to just take your analog radios and throw them in the trash. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ray Sent: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:14:02 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 1719 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > But don't expect that to last long. If even Radio World's "Guy Wire" > admits that AM IBOC is bound to be a failure, then you can be sure > that even iBiquity shareholders are starting to realize that AM IBOC > is irrecoverably flawed and should be abandoned. Don't be so sure of yourself, Kev. The NY AM band will soon be lighting up with HD...and I have that on good authority with inside information that I can't share. Tom Ray WOR Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Nov 05 08:31:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61442 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2005 16:31:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2005 16:31:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm43.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2005 16:31:30 -0000 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.65]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA5GVL2C028480 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:31:21 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.22.242.188] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-22-242-188.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.242.188]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id jA5GVIMa088490 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:31:18 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01c5e226$641b9110$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <009601c5e1b9$8c6d4d60$6602a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:31:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0544-8, 11/04/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} TIS and FCC "Sports Night Authority" rule Was: Digest Number 1719 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=tFBcHPksZupaxCHjkGxb9Dr4jrRC3tcxot3DpkITFq5T9UM X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Now WFIS seems to be operating on the new FCC "Sports Night Authority" > rule > allowing Class D stations to use their Daytime Antenna and power to cover > local High School Sports! LOL That is so funny... For the past 10 years I've said the best time for AM DXing is Friday Night in the winter time. Stations all over the Midwest seem to 'forget' to switch to night power/array during High School sports. When they gave daytimers authorization to stay on after sunset with extremely low power, they had to know that once the daytimers had some legitimate reason to have a night carrier at any power, it this would happen. I thought it was a decent idea at the time, but I didn't know the FCC would ignore infractions and not investigate complaints. I think I'll go out and buy a 250 watt directional daytimer on a regional channel. Once I get it on the air it doesn't matter how much power I use. I wonder what Harris would think if I ordered a DX50 for my little 250 watt daytimer :-) From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Nov 05 18:43:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98938 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2005 02:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2005 02:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2005 02:43:33 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.141]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 22586614 for ; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:43:20 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c5e27c$44000040$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:46:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 17, in=14, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.141 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 1719 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=qrZ-lQri7rJSzt-vJzYyjQsc5Fwh4eKKMpIFqmzxrwIyVl67CMRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They did respond to me, however. Here's the reply: ------ Sadly, in preparation for WJR to begin broadcasting in HD/Digital (aka IBOC), it was necessary to turn off our analog stereo carrier. The good news is that this new HD format will provide a much higher fidelity stereo signal than what was available in the past. Chris Arnaut Director of Engineering ABC Radio - Detroit 313-873-9708 ------ Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeffdeck2001" > WFDF in Monroe county Michigan launched IBOC this week on an > eight tower directional 50kW facility. WFDF is also an ABC-owned > station programing Radio Disney. ABC is a major investor to > iBiquity. WJR ceased their C-QuAM stereo last month, and will not > respond to my inquiries. > From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Sat Nov 05 18:50:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3107 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2005 02:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2005 02:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.162.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2005 02:50:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:49:21 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.48.110.230 by BAY108-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 02:49:21 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: <000f01c5e27c$44000040$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 21:49:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2005 02:49:21.0317 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0652D50:01C5E27C] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.162.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 1719 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=qafUe6cMzt3cp4M1VcvqJzYbdB25exVH6HvTpureSmbQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok Now, what is going to happen to their AMS Exciter???? I have a Radio Systems TR-20 and would like a Stereo Exciter to interface and run AMS on Carrier Current :) Due to finances though i can't seem to be in simultanious possesion of an Exciter and a Transmitter :( Btw: Bought one of Chris' new Alfredo Lite 100mw w/wall wart. Top notch product as always :) Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 1719 They did respond to me, however. Here's the reply: ------ Sadly, in preparation for WJR to begin broadcasting in HD/Digital (aka IBOC), it was necessary to turn off our analog stereo carrier. The good news is that this new HD format will provide a much higher fidelity stereo signal than what was available in the past. Chris Arnaut Director of Engineering ABC Radio - Detroit 313-873-9708 ------ Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeffdeck2001" > WFDF in Monroe county Michigan launched IBOC this week on an > eight tower directional 50kW facility. WFDF is also an ABC-owned > station programing Radio Disney. ABC is a major investor to > iBiquity. WJR ceased their C-QuAM stereo last month, and will not > respond to my inquiries. > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Nov 05 19:07:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93934 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2005 03:07:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2005 03:07:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2005 03:07:44 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.141]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 25281078 for ; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 21:05:53 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c5e27f$6aabdfe0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000f01c5e27c$44000040$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 21:08:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 17, in=20, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.141 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 1719 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=esI8Hj93b8ss6d8IW9THV9ZowfdjbEwxsPeLAbeNlht-YZ_qhnxg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You could always write them and ask. If you knock on enough doors you should be able to come up with one sometime. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > > what is going to happen to their AMS Exciter???? I have a Radio Systems TR-20 and would like a Stereo Exciter to interface and run AMS on Carrier Current :) Due to finances though i can't seem to be in simultanious possesion of an Exciter and a Transmitter :( > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Todd > > They did respond to me, however. Here's the reply: > > ------ > Sadly, in preparation for WJR to begin broadcasting in HD/Digital (aka > IBOC), it was necessary to turn off our analog stereo carrier. From tomray@wor710.com Sat Nov 05 19:16:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72570 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2005 03:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2005 03:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2005 03:16:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2005 03:14:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2005 03:13:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 03:13:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002e01c5e226$641b9110$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: TIS and FCC "Sports Night Authority" rule Was: Digest Number 1719 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=cDb-KFZ4GIu9vOArMliWpej7ueABSIIttDcQGuXCGcxgV1Pi X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > I wonder what Harris would think if I ordered a DX50 for my little 250 watt=20 > daytimer :-) > Probably that you should also purchase one of their handy-dandy tuning units for the tower, too, so you don't end up with melted mush after running the DX at full tilt! Your local Harris sales person would be happy to put together a quote...... Tom Ray WOR From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Sun Nov 06 02:26:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6793 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2005 10:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2005 10:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2005 10:26:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2005 10:26:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2005 10:26:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2005 10:26:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 10:26:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051105013603.92669.qmail@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: WJR - no more stereo, but.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=ibaDJT97VvVz6NKArotPorsTHR0PltgFB9HjIq2PhyRHvi7EtnXe X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Good morning, I see that Scott and John received replies from WJR's engineering department. Perhaps WJR never received my inquiries? WJR was a heritage station and class act that truly believed in the C-QuAM technology. There was a definite commitment from WJR to transmit=20 good high quality stereo sound to their listeners. They were one of the few C-QuAM stereo pioneer stations. And those many stereo remote broadcasts were not easy to put together.=20 I can remember in November 1982 trying to listen to WJR's stereo feed using two AM radios and the Kahn method (one radio tuned=20 slightly below WJR, and the second radio tuned slightly above WJR). I was thinking at the time that this approach was flawed. Since I did not have two of the same identical radios, the audio frequency responses would be dis-similar from the two different radios. And WJR was using C-QuAM stereo. Well, guess what? Despite these limitations, I still heard some stereo separation. When I later built an AM stereo decoder, I listened to WJR in stereo ever since. I was hooked on the new technology. Now it is like saying good-bye to an old friend.=20=20 Fast forward to the present time, every day now it seems that WJR is decreasing their mono audio bandwidth, perhaps so listeners would not abruptly notice any changes in audio quality.=20=20 I wonder how many inquiries WJR received about the lack of AM stereo on their station. I guess it is time to embrace the new technology (lead, follow, or get out of the way). I contacted Texas Instrument for quote on sample HD Radio boards. They said that I will first need a manufacturing license from iBiquity. That will my next contact. Also, there are lower cost HD radio decoder boards coming from=20 overseas, though not in time for holiday selling season. What is nice is that they are already assembled, and you supply modest support parts to have a full fledged HD Radio system.=20=20=20=20 Meanwhile, the Meduci AMX-2000 AM stereo tuner is still available. And I have Johnnie Electron's CD of WJR air checks, and Ann Delisi's "Inside the Music" shows. CFCO is still geared to high quality audio every day (Canada will never adopt HD Radio). WLS is also still transmitting C-QuAM stereo for everyone's=20 benefit in the midwest.=20 Since there are so many stations here in the Detroit area (both AM and FM) transmitting HD Radio, I guess that it is time to see what all of the fuss is about.=20=20=20=20 >Regarding WFDF, I think that the buzzsaw sidebands from hell on >930 are coming from WWJ, not WFDF. Nope. WFDF is 910 kHz, TIS is 920 kHz, and WWJ is 950kHz.=20=20 Those lovely sounds were definitely coming from WFDF squarely on the airport's TIS frequency. Speaking of WFDF, their new eight tower directional array makes them one of the strongest AM stations in the state, perhaps in the midewest. 73, Jeff Deck http://Meduci.com=20=20=20 John writes: >I did get a reply, and they have turned-off the CQuam in=20 >preparation for IBOC on WJR, although they have not turned it on >yet. He said that they will also do a gradual reduction in audio >bandwidth too.=20=20 >How sad, as WJR sure had a nice stereo signal for a long time. He >didn't say it, but it appears to me that it is an ABC/Disney >mandate to go with the IBOC wreck, and Detroit stations are facing >intense pressure to install IBOC to demo for the Automotive=20 >industry.=20=20 >=20 >Actually, this could be a good thing to have IBOC on WJR, as they >are the most listened-to station in the state of Michigan; if IBOC=20 >turns to crap, and WJR loses listeners, they WILL care. We'll=20 >wait and see. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Nov 06 05:01:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34522 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2005 13:01:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2005 13:01:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2005 13:01:42 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EYk8g-0001Hj-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 08:00:50 -0500 Message-ID: <004a01c5e2d2$1b49d440$6602a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:00:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: TIS and FCC "Sports Night Authority" rule Was: Digest Number 1719 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=5HI_pF4vw2fFNyvMmzLTYVhFu7945AmlRm3alDof0s02-EeqrsTPqFuZoFuaxw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: >Your local Harris sales person would be happy to put together a quote...... Perhaps I should contact Harris for a quote on a DX-LW 1000 and antenna package for my LowFER beacon on 171 KHz. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From tomray@wor710.com Sun Nov 06 08:54:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2339 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2005 16:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2005 16:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2005 16:54:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2005 16:54:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2005 16:54:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:54:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004a01c5e2d2$1b49d440$6602a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: TIS and FCC "Sports Night Authority" rule Was: Digest Number 1719 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=s1sYhbXLFl7FGVUqG8YYChtLmnatMhQGxO2jwGFYrnrO_Zbu X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > > Tom Ray wrote: > >Your local Harris sales person would be happy to put together a quote...... >=20 > Perhaps I should contact Harris for a quote on a DX-LW 1000 and antenna=20 > package for my LowFER beacon on 171 KHz. >=20 THAT would certainly keep the worms warm in chilly weather! TR From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Nov 06 13:27:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74149 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2005 21:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2005 21:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2005 21:27:48 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.63]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 25426576 for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:27:42 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c5e319$57d6a720$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:30:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.212.63 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WJR - no more stereo, but.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=KuirbAcOnI7Ko_Lvp0YObbSMeTijzOClNV_2-KGnwQT28uVdmemN X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'd be interested in getting an HD decoder board once you get a lead on a supplier. My Panasonic stereo is wideband enough to work with one. Would like to see what the fuss is all about too, plus there are a few HD stations to check it out with. I still think that if it only takes 5kb/s to make surround out of stereo, it would make most sense to create a hybrid system with CQuAM stereo plus a digital carrier for surround. I got one of WFDF's old transmitters- an RCA BTA 1K plus three tower beacons from their original array. Wonder if they still have that old RCA 5H as a standby? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeffdeck2001" > Also, there are lower cost HD radio decoder boards coming from > overseas, though not in time for holiday selling season. What is > nice is that they are already assembled, and you supply modest > support parts to have a full fledged HD Radio system. > > > Speaking of WFDF, their new eight > tower directional array makes them one of the strongest AM stations > in the state, perhaps in the midewest. > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 06 13:29:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44948 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2005 21:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2005 21:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2005 21:29:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2005 21:29:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2005 21:29:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2005 21:29:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 21:29:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004701c5e27f$6aabdfe0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.238.219 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 1719 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=W2pUcTY1Ek8J31WgPtsl8OYLeOtZV3zO34CHFku5LyFekVnrNg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You could always write them and ask. If you knock on enough doors > you should be able to come up with one sometime. A world-class station like WJR will likely keep their C-Quam=20 equipment in the rack "just in case". There are probably dozens, if=20 not hundreds, of major-market AM stations which still have fully=20 functional C-Quam equipment, years after they stopped broadcasting in=20 AM Stereo -- which gives us at least some hope that if there ever is=20 some push within the industry to give AM Stereo another try (just=20 like what happened with RDS on FM a few years ago, mostly thanks to=20 Clear Channel), C-Quam pilots could be lighting up all over the place=20 for us to enjoy. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 06 13:45:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36870 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2005 21:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2005 21:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2005 21:45:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2005 21:44:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2005 21:44:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2005 21:44:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 21:44:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c5e319$57d6a720$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.238.219 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: WJR - no more stereo, but.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=k8-sF5pWuv7l35UBxy7baZz4wsungPnZtcvH-OK_BwCqIGcyOw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'd be interested in getting an HD decoder board once you get a > lead on a supplier. Don't hold your breath waiting for it. Even major electronics=20 manufacturers are having trouble shipping IBOC receivers because=20 iBiquity is keeping such tight control over its proprietary HD Radio=20 technology. Any HD receivers which hit the market have to be=20 officially licensed through iBiquity, and although many such=20 receivers have been announced, most of these have yet to get=20 iBiquity's approval, so that's why the release dates keep getting=20 pushed back. Last Fall, all sorts of manufacturers were announcing=20 new HD receivers which were supposed to hit the market in 2005; now,=20 these same radios won't be ready until at least next Spring -- thus=20 the people who put HD Radios on their Christmas list this year will=20 mostly be out of luck. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 06 14:23:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11395 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2005 22:23:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2005 22:23:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.116) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2005 22:23:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 53351 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2005 22:23:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20051106222350.53349.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.216.214] by web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 14:23:50 PST Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:23:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.116 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: foolin around with high power X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=pQvWD7Kn23agPn0rMEVRY6PnO6D7XFPNCR8WzENWiPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum > Hunter" > wrote: > > > > Tom Ray wrote: > > >Your local Harris sales person would be happy to > put together a > quote...... > > > > Perhaps I should contact Harris for a quote on a > DX-LW 1000 and antenna > > package for my LowFER beacon on 171 KHz. > > > > THAT would certainly keep the worms warm in chilly > weather! > > TR Snort! Ya'll are playing around with low power. I got someone to plot 2 million watts....a DX-2000 would work....from Wheeler, Texas in the 30 conductivity.....on 530. OH MY the daytime coverage. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From tomray@wor710.com Sun Nov 06 14:49:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61830 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2005 22:49:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2005 22:49:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2005 22:49:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2005 22:48:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2005 22:48:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 22:48:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Digest Number 1719 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=ysxi32_PjoTdSVBbo6eQTP3KAsIsMmP96CDJFlab3rt_EwBN X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > > > You could always write them and ask. If you knock on enough doors > > you should be able to come up with one sometime. >=20 > A world-class station like WJR will likely keep their C-Quam=20 > equipment in the rack "just in case". There are probably dozens, if=20 > not hundreds, of major-market AM stations which still have fully=20 > functional C-Quam equipment, years after they stopped broadcasting=20 in=20 > AM Stereo -- which gives us at least some hope that if there ever is=20 > some push within the industry to give AM Stereo another try (just=20 > like what happened with RDS on FM a few years ago, mostly thanks to=20 > Clear Channel), C-Quam pilots could be lighting up all over the=20 place=20 > for us to enjoy. > The reality is things like that make great rack filler. They're not=20 kept in the rack "just in case".=20=20 Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Sun Nov 06 14:52:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39914 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2005 22:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2005 22:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2005 22:52:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2005 22:51:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2005 22:51:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 22:51:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051106222350.53349.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: foolin around with high power X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=NNK3vWwdK17uoT7QTqSZZ-UjBeLtWxpakWHo8qWEp6DgAEuO X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 >=20 > --- Tom Ray wrote: >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum > > Hunter" > > wrote: > > > > > > Tom Ray wrote: > > > >Your local Harris sales person would be happy to > > put together a > > quote...... > > >=20 > > > Perhaps I should contact Harris for a quote on a > > DX-LW 1000 and antenna=20 > > > package for my LowFER beacon on 171 KHz. > > >=20 > >=20 > > THAT would certainly keep the worms warm in chilly > > weather! > >=20 > > TR >=20 >=20 > Snort! Ya'll are playing around with low power. I got > someone to plot 2 million watts....a DX-2000 would > work....from Wheeler, Texas in the 30 > conductivity.....on 530. OH MY the daytime coverage.=20 >=20 I bet! Too bad we practically have negative conductivity here in=20 the northeast! TR From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 06 14:59:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49452 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2005 22:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2005 22:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.117) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2005 22:59:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 61065 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2005 22:59:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20051106225903.61063.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.216.214] by web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 14:59:03 PST Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:59:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: conductivity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=vtsc8Cl7zhepXu0wja82oDyxU3rVwCjWjyuCCR1n4QU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- Tom Ray wrote: > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum > > > Hunter" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Tom Ray wrote: > > > > >Your local Harris sales person would be happy > to > > > put together a > > > quote...... > > > > > > > > Perhaps I should contact Harris for a quote on > a > > > DX-LW 1000 and antenna > > > > package for my LowFER beacon on 171 KHz. > > > > > > > > > > THAT would certainly keep the worms warm in > chilly > > > weather! > > > > > > TR > > > > > > Snort! Ya'll are playing around with low power. I > got > > someone to plot 2 million watts....a DX-2000 would > > work....from Wheeler, Texas in the 30 > > conductivity.....on 530. OH MY the daytime > coverage. > > > > I bet! Too bad we practically have negative > conductivity here in > the northeast! > > TR It's just as bad where I live. What do you think white sandy soil is? Just a few miles down the road in Gaston SC that's what it is, and there are sand mines. Sand dunes AS LEFT when the ice caps were melted. Where I am it's 0.1 or less. GAG. Atlanta, especially east is just as bad. There's the granite....what do you think Stone Mountain is made of? Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Nov 06 18:41:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88610 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2005 02:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2005 02:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2005 02:41:00 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EYwwK-0006oL-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 21:40:56 -0500 Message-ID: <010d01c5e344$abbd2c30$6602a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 21:40:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: LowFER Was: TIS and FCC "Sports Night Authority" rule X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=cpmeiq2Hji7kdTPnuJu9OMNA67VzfQNExY-AF4P-ZT_8gnJbip8fattDEelh3w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > THAT would certainly keep the worms warm in chilly weather! Speaking of cooking the worms, 171 is ON THE AIR! with 1 Watt input into a 15 Meter Sloper antenna. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Nov 06 18:45:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44033 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2005 02:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2005 02:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2005 02:45:06 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EYwzt-0007AV-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 21:44:37 -0500 Message-ID: <011401c5e345$2f90bb30$6602a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 21:44:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: foolin around with high power X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=wx9X4yxzHT5BN5TqitorAr6mLtoLPYFQMpZFPx4dlHUddlbUGvnvyoR-AI_AJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: >Too bad we practically have negative conductivity here in the northeast! My Ground Conductivity here in East Central Florida is 2! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Nov 06 18:55:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41562 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2005 02:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2005 02:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2005 02:55:38 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EYx3G-0007jS-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 21:48:06 -0500 Message-ID: <012501c5e345$ac09a910$6602a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20051106222350.53349.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 21:48:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} foolin around with high power X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=3PwvPPVgoELgEcTdKh28wWYePP9vcXF2TUfdzve-jriuiCTANUlcwZo5QlaU1A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: >I got someone to plot 2 million watts....a DX-2000 would work....from >Wheeler, Texas in the 30 conductivity.....on 530. OH MY the daytime >coverage. Thinking about starting a new "Border Blaster" station? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Nov 06 18:57:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52774 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2005 02:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2005 02:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2005 02:57:55 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EYxB3-0000wN-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 21:56:09 -0500 Message-ID: <017701c5e346$cc254e60$6602a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 21:53:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: foolin around with high power X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=ME33iIbggusaqy8NXVbVg7FDTAE_TXBD7TQHJI1tXwY9LcIi8MZflNEh-q9T8w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powel wrote: >Snort! Ya'll are playing around with low power. Since it is OK for Class Ds with 24 Watts of PSSA to run 5KW PSSA instead, I see nothing wrong with having a 2 Million Watt Part 15 station. Anyway, Ground Conductivity is so bad here, a Dummy Load gets out almost as good as properly tuned antenna Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From dav259@csiro.au Mon Nov 07 01:09:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11920 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2005 09:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2005 09:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au) (150.229.64.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2005 09:09:18 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au ([138.194.10.10]) by vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2005 20:09:11 +1100 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,299,1125842400"; d="scan'208"; a="57391772:sNHT23330044" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA7998Mx003874; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:09:08 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:09:08 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ian Davidson Subject: second last plea to 3MP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033; y=3z50n2d5hMaRmjHErztjr9XGE5YrnW3JrcnktS2Z-r92 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Traditionally Australia's greatest AM stereo station 3MP has reverted to the format it played when it actually was No. 1 eleven years ago. But it hasn't been in stereo now for the last eighteen months as the engineer has said it's simply not worth the cost. But he's been a critic of AMS for too long. I can't help wondering if he doesn't just like wiring everything up two ways ... Here is my second last plea to Easy Music 3MP. My final one will be damning. Ian Melbourne G'day I'm one of your many 90s listeners who gave you up when you seemed to lose your way. Someone on the Oz radio newsgroup recently started a thread advising of your recent format change - so I've given you another go (not that I haven't before). And I'm amazed and impressed. You sound as good as you did in the early 90s when you were Melbourne's top station. I particularly like Shawn in the mornings and Greg in Drive. As Magic 693 hasn't been in stereo for the last few months I'm now listening to 3MP as my default music station. But their stereo exciter will soon be fixed so I suppose I'll go back to them. It's such a shame that you don't broadcast in stereo until you go to Eureka DAB. I can't understand why your engineer is so opposed to it. It wouldn't cost much - maybe one extra ad every few hours. When you first moved to the Richmond studios you suddenly sounded great in AM stereo again ... until it was suddenly and quickly switched off. Please bring it back! Also it would be good if you could develop your web site and possibly re-introduce the 3MP VIP (very important listeners') club. Most of us middle-aged listeners have got computers you know ... and we're not complete idiots. Anyway ... Thanks! for returning to your roots. Keep up the good work. cheers Ian btw ... I've always thought you could do with some decent jingles. Paying for some PAMS now may help you later when you go digital. If you don't want the cost you could even just occasionally use those original ones from 1976 - "We've got that Summer feeling - 3MP". They said it all then. There's no reason why they wouldn't now. From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 07 15:06:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25867 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2005 23:06:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2005 23:06:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30513.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.241) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2005 23:06:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 33798 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Nov 2005 23:06:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20051107230625.33796.qmail@web30513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.167] by web30513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:06:25 PST Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:06:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <012501c5e345$ac09a910$6602a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} foolin around with high power X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=lpoRafMKHNTkVMpD5vT2fCJZN7znqggwIe9lX_BoAi8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > >I got someone to plot 2 million watts....a DX-2000 > would work....from > >Wheeler, Texas in the 30 conductivity.....on 530. > OH MY the daytime > >coverage. > > Thinking about starting a new "Border Blaster" > station? > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest North America Blaster...... Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From amstereoexp@yahoo.com Mon Nov 07 21:41:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoexp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18361 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2005 05:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2005 05:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.50) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2005 05:41:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 31198 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Nov 2005 05:41:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20051108054130.31196.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.250.22.13] by web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 21:41:29 PST Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:41:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Tekel Subject: Fwd: Comment from The Official AM STEREO Web Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78550888; y=u312xyVRvmfUnGOmTnTEIO6R55jUbGfOxrXK-nCRLUGAF5d25pk X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoexp --- wnmb wrote: > From: "wnmb" > To: > Subject: Comment from The Official AM STEREO Web Site > Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:28:30 -0500 > > You can add 900 WNMB, North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina to the > list of stations broadcasting in AM Stereo effective Jan 1, 2006. > > (installing C-Quam system now) > Already in stereo on the internet at > www.wnmb.net > > submitted by: > > Bill Norman > wnmb (owner) > e mail: wnmb@sc.rr.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From wnmb@sc.rr.com Tue Nov 08 06:00:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62948 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2005 14:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2005 14:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2005 14:00:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bm.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2005 14:00:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2005 14:00:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:00:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.199.186.206 From: "WNMB Radio" Subject: Hello! New AM Stereo Station Coming Soon. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=ms4lssMHn46UPUxbm9N5PzAU-6JnhSzhY1fg1v7RHeu7Xg X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 I am new to this group, but I'm a long time proponet of AM Stereo,=20 having converted WZKY in Albemarle, North Carolina, to the c-quam=20 system in early 1986. Now, our company's newest station, WNMB, 900,=20 in North Myrtle Beach will begin broadcasting in AM Stereo very soon.=20=20 At the moment we are waiting on the arrival of new composite STL units,=20 which should be in any day now. We've replaced an Orban 9200 AM=20 processor with the Orban 9100A AM Stereo unit, studios are already=20 stereo, etc. We recently purchased a used Motorola Exciter and mod=20 monitor. They have been sent to the factory for a complete rebuilding,=20 and as soon as they are returned to us, we should be able to get=20 going. We already broadcast in Stereo on the internet at www.wnmb.net,=20 and the website will display lots of AM Stereo info.=20=20=20=20 We are doing the AM Stereo because it sounds fantastic, and there are=20 still new radios being sold in new autos every day which can hear it.=20=20 Maybe we can be a little bit of a spark among those stations who've=20 never tried it, or those who turned it off at some point. Sorry for=20 the long first post, but it is still exciting to go Stereo on AM!=20=20 Bill. From starship_2001@msn.com Tue Nov 08 06:07:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38529 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2005 14:07:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2005 14:07:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.87) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2005 14:07:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:05:20 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.13 by BAY106-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:05:19 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:05:19 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2005 14:05:20.0595 (UTC) FILETIME=[746F5A30:01C5E46D] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hello! New AM Stereo Station Coming Soon. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=qdgMTyj75zcAWTHb9vm1lifGPCOmDoOYdPtb_RHr-6jnWlJL3nTTnzGyiw X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 This is cheerful news and is a step in the RIGHT direction. Now if other stations would do the same AM might have a fighting chance (I'm hoping). -----Original Message----- From: WNMB Radio Sent: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:00:28 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Hello! New AM Stereo Station Coming Soon. I am new to this group, but I'm a long time proponet of AM Stereo, having converted WZKY in Albemarle, North Carolina, to the c-quam system in early 1986. Now, our company's newest station, WNMB, 900, in North Myrtle Beach will begin broadcasting in AM Stereo very soon. At the moment we are waiting on the arrival of new composite STL units, which should be in any day now. We've replaced an Orban 9200 AM processor with the Orban 9100A AM Stereo unit, studios are already stereo, etc. We recently purchased a used Motorola Exciter and mod monitor. They have been sent to the factory for a complete rebuilding, and as soon as they are returned to us, we should be able to get going. We already broadcast in Stereo on the internet at www.wnmb.net, and the website will display lots of AM Stereo info. We are doing the AM Stereo because it sounds fantastic, and there are still new radios being sold in new autos every day which can hear it. Maybe we can be a little bit of a spark among those stations who've never tried it, or those who turned it off at some point. Sorry for the long first post, but it is still exciting to go Stereo on AM! Bill. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Nov 08 06:11:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45998 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2005 14:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2005 14:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2005 14:11:33 -0000 Received: from [4.247.122.28] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EZUBy-0000Np-6Y for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 09:11:18 -0500 Message-ID: <380-220051128141133578@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.108.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 09:11:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc898f35ce301dfbfdca96a0035019609e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} Hello! New AM Stereo Station Coming Soon. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=6kU08abMnsRv-Q8dJXiMiM8pJ9fCN7gpPa6CzrxAyIdi6w Congratulations, Bill - great news! Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: WNMB Radio > To: > Date: 11/8/2005 9:00:39 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Hello! New AM Stereo Station Coming Soon. > > I am new to this group, but I'm a long time proponet of AM Stereo, > having converted WZKY in Albemarle, North Carolina, to the c-quam > system in early 1986. Now, our company's newest station, WNMB, 900, > in North Myrtle Beach will begin broadcasting in AM Stereo very soon. > At the moment we are waiting on the arrival of new composite STL units, > which should be in any day now. We've replaced an Orban 9200 AM > processor with the Orban 9100A AM Stereo unit, studios are already > stereo, etc. We recently purchased a used Motorola Exciter and mod > monitor. They have been sent to the factory for a complete rebuilding, > and as soon as they are returned to us, we should be able to get > going. We already broadcast in Stereo on the internet at www.wnmb.net, > and the website will display lots of AM Stereo info. > We are doing the AM Stereo because it sounds fantastic, and there are > still new radios being sold in new autos every day which can hear it. > Maybe we can be a little bit of a spark among those stations who've > never tried it, or those who turned it off at some point. Sorry for > the long first post, but it is still exciting to go Stereo on AM! > Bill. > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 08 16:55:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2265 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2005 00:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2005 00:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2005 00:55:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 29411 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2005 00:55:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20051109005507.29409.qmail@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.155.122] by web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 16:55:07 PST Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:55:07 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1131489388.492.13423.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Let's Hear It for WNMB ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=4o8a2JahY-_FE-6NI99ZfCkb7kP1HuVgDkPeOm_vkls64EiplXbfoik X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Bill wrote: "...WNMB, 900, in North Myrtle Beach will begin broadcasting in AM Stereo very soon..." Hi Bill: beam some of that signal up to Ohio for us! Congratulations, and thanks for letting us know that you'll soon be in stereo. An engineer up in Detroit was pleasantly surprised to find out that his 2005 T-Bird had AMS, and was mad at himself for shutting off his stereo, thinking that there were no more radios - told him all the Ford MACH hardware has it, as does 20 years of the better Chrysler radios and Caddy's. You'll have to get a Fanfare FTA-100 for some serious airchecks, but Jeff Deck here on the list has a nice Made In the USA AMS radio too! Let us know how the stereo install is going __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Nov 08 23:01:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27064 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2005 07:01:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2005 07:01:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2005 07:01:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2005 06:59:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2005 06:59:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 06:59:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.22.13 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Hello! New AM Stereo Station Coming Soon. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=d6ydiNOtmg65K0UNYl8iDKIkAwc5Vl6l30BTqN1bF_df4Dh45w X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Maybe we can be a little bit of a spark among those stations who've=20 > never tried it, or those who turned it off at some point. Sorry > for the long first post, but it is still exciting to go Stereo on > AM!=20 >=20 > Bill. Thanks so much for your participation and support, Bill. One thing I suggest is that you contact Paul McLane, editor of Radio World=20 magazine (go to http://www.radioworld.com and you can find his e-mail=20 ink on the "About Us" page) and tell him about your station's upgrade=20 to AM Stereo. I'd say there's a good chance you'll get a nice little=20 mention in their Daily NewsBytes section, which would not only be=20 good publicity for your station, but for AM Stereo as well. KBPS in=20 Portland, OR had their upgrade to AM Stereo mentioned two years ago: http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=3D4276 From wnmb@sc.rr.com Wed Nov 09 05:35:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54054 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2005 13:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2005 13:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2005 13:35:18 -0000 Received: from BillNorman (rrcs-24-199-186-206.midsouth.biz.rr.com [24.199.186.206]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id jA9DZGfU009368 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:35:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000801c5e532$aeefbe00$6401a8c0@BillNorman> To: References: <20051109005507.29409.qmail@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:37:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "WNMB" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Let's Hear It for WNMB ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=xScwIy3cvUp9k9eHPTGV9cFU1Xxg2kJDddHvO5zNu1khJg X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, Thanks for the post (e-mail). Like your engineer friend in Detroit, I have a Thunderbird and the AM Radio is stereo. It sounds really fantastic. We have just two things remaining in the AM Stereo conversion process here. We anticipate arrival any time now on a new Armstrong STL composite system (our studios and towers are at different locations), and we just send our Motorola C-Quam exciter and mod monitor to Broadcast Electronics for them to go completely through and refurbish. Studios and audio processing, etc. are already Stereo. Again, thanks for your support......come visit with us in North Myrtle Beach! Bill Norman www.wnmb.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Nov 09 06:06:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6754 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2005 14:06:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2005 14:06:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2005 14:06:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2005 14:03:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2005 14:03:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2005 14:03:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:03:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c5e532$aeefbe00$6401a8c0@BillNorman> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 142.176.20.3 From: "Phil" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Let's Hear It for WNMB ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723; y=kiREklUQBBCHNCBUvOgw0UrOphdgFWvz7n2fsYofcaPrYYem9Nkb X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I'm coming out of lurking mode to offer my congrats! This is very good news!=20=20 Thank you Bill for such a progressive step! Nice website too! Phil Rafuse PEI Canada --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "WNMB" wrote: > > John, >=20 > Thanks for the post (e-mail). >=20 > Like your engineer friend in Detroit, I have a Thunderbird and the=20 AM Radio is stereo. It sounds really fantastic. >=20 > We have just two things remaining in the AM Stereo conversion=20 process here. >=20 > We anticipate arrival any time now on a new Armstrong STL=20 composite system (our studios and towers are at different=20 locations), and we just send our Motorola C-Quam exciter and mod=20 monitor to Broadcast Electronics for them to go completely through=20 and refurbish.=20=20=20 > Studios and audio processing, etc. are already Stereo. >=20 > Again, thanks for your support......come visit with us in North=20 Myrtle Beach! >=20 > Bill Norman > www.wnmb.net >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From deepcoffee@yahoo.com Wed Nov 09 07:53:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: deepcoffee@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90363 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2005 15:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2005 15:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2005 15:53:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2005 15:52:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2005 15:52:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:52:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.1.204.138 From: "Douglas" Subject: nice oldies stream X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148107355; y=f_2tFmxnXp1E0VBTpn37md85PNPKRZbv5mBe4vfhmrP76wxS2A X-Yahoo-Profile: DeepCoffee A friend of mine just pointed me here: http://www.hylitradio.com/ At 128 kbps, this stereo oldies stream is ideal for Alfredo Lites. Plus, y= ou'll hear a=20 bunch of cool old jingles in between the tunes. From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Wed Nov 09 15:22:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47757 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2005 23:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2005 23:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2005 23:22:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2005 23:22:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2005 23:22:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2005 23:22:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:22:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Kerry Richards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=85kh9crkqLOi9U7vhjbs3ewarCreBOacrunWsYoks0O2BDS9s-eS X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 It seems that Kerry is waging personal remarks against the people who stated criticism in this forum for the iBiquity HD Radio system. In his world, apparently there cannot be free speech; we all must love and embrace this new technology, and overlook its inherent flaws.=20=20=20=20 Kerry: I take it personally when you call people "wackos" and "looneys" for having a different opinion than you. This is a very diverse group with different opinions. If everyone had the same opinions, this world would be very boring to live in=20 (thankfully I do not live on Uranus where you think some live).=20=20 Calling names does not solve anything (perhaps you did not learn this behavior on the playground in the first grade). Providing constructive criticism, there are shortcomings with using IBOC on both bands. Realistically, I would not call the=20 wideband noise heard on the first and second adjacents of AM stations transmitting HD as a "slight wisp." This sound is quite loud on the first adjacents, magnified by the AGC of the radio under test. Since we do not usually listen to first adjacents in=20 the daytime, it is not a huge deal. Transmitting night-time IBOC=20 will be a different story. In Detroit, virtually FM commercial broadcaster is transmitting HD Radio. In my line of work, I drive several hundred miles per month in our fleet of Ford, GM and Chrysler vehicles. It is evident that listening to these FM stations during my drive testing, there is some interference to a few of the main analog carriers.=20 This interference manifests itself as "picket fencing" in areas=20 where there was none heard prior to launching HD Radio. WMGC was the first FM station in Detroit with HD, and I never heard the "picket fencing" sounds. They also use a separate antenna system for HD. WKRK and WRIF each use diplexed antennas for their HD, and the interference is noticable. I simply stated that there are engineering issues that need to be resolved. Since I am not backing up the data logically, but rather using my precious ears, then my assessment must be flawed. When=20 listeners complain to station managers, they have their precious ears as a reference tool. Kerry: what should we be using to listen to your station, if not our ears?=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 I would not call analog AM stereo dead yet. It is not the end of the world. I am very optimistic of the longevity of C-QuAM stereo.=20 There are two new stations launching C-QuAM within the next two=20 months. Both have been actively writing to me about new tuners for their stations. Both stations likely cannot afford the HD licensing fees. I would also bet that HD radio penetration will never be=20 huge in these two smaller markets. Effective noise blankers remove many of the "clicks, snap, crackle and pop" heard on the AM band. DSP technology has an=20 opportunity to remove the remaining noises heard on AM stations.=20=20=20=20 I do believe that station general managers will "see the light" eventually, and that AM IBOC may take the road of FMX, Eureka, and other technologies that could not cut it in the mass market.=20=20 (Radio Shack deeply discounted their remaining supply of Eureka radios in Canada last year).=20=20 Consumers will not spend $500 for new technology to simply listen to their favorite station without FM multipath artifacts (or=20 momentary loss of audio under a bridge for an AM station) as saving graces. I have learned from operating a web site for more than one year, that marketing radios as an end user item to consumers is very=20 price sensitive. It is difficult selling a $259 tuner to these=20 consumers. Program content will drive consumers to these radios. In my opinion, it is smart to launch FM multicasting. Unfortunately, AM will not have this strategic advantage.=20=20 Sincerely, Jeff Deck http://Meduci.com You write: >These so called audio experts like Tekel, have never heard HD, let >alone any demos in a moving vehicle. > >HD holds great promise for our business, FM is going to reap the >benefits of multicasting, AM will have for the first time a parity >to analog FM in regards to stereo and frequency response. > >There are areas of Manhattan where HD works well for AM and FM=20 >where previously there was little or no analog service. We know >this from experience. > >We have reached a point where HD will be literally needed in order >to compete in the marketplace in the larger markets. With the=20 >combined efforts of broadcasters and manufacturers the radios will >be coming along shortly. We have so much invested in this it is=20 >only now a matter of time until the receiver situation settles >down, then we are off to the races. > >We have been doing all WOR remotes in Stereo, we have been=20 >producing all WOR in house elements in Stereo, it's kind of like a >long dress rehearsal. > >But in the meantime, we have to take all the crap from assorted=20 >wackos like Tekel. I just love how he claims interference at night >on AM, when no one is operating HD at night. You should hear the >screaming from him and his band of assorted loonies complaining=20 >about WJR, WGN, WBBM, WOR etc. etc. converting to HD. It's like >the end of the world to them, but they never seem to figure out if=20 >interference is so bad as they claim, why would every major market >FM and AM be in the current process of operating or converting to >HD? Why did they shut off the C-Quam? Try and get an answer to=20 >that from these guys. > >In AM there is a slight wisp on most radios above and below, I have >never heard any artifacts interference wise on FM. But according >to Tekel and company the AM band is ruined and all of his FM=20 >stations have noise, birdies, and other assorted crap. He is nuts, >plain and simple and is no engineer, and means little or nothing to >anyone here or anywhere else. Except maybe the planet Uranus, >where each station operates in AM Stereo be it C-Quam or Kahn. I=20 >hear Kevin is a regular visitor there. > >It is not our fault that AM radios in general have poor frequency=20 >response, or that the AM band is noisy in general. But according >to these experts clicks, pops, hums, low frequency response and no=20 >stereo sound better than HD AM, and multipath in FM sounds better=20 >than HD . Does this make sense? > >It would be one thing if Tekel would be driving around with an HD=20 >Radio, and letting us know where it works well and what it sounds=20 >like. His poor ears have been damaged by the horrible artifacts of >the HD codec. I think it has affected his brain as well.=20 > >I love logical complaints, with some kind of data to back them up. > But as everyone here knows this is simply not the case. Tekel if >you cannot take my ribbing, then back up your data logically, not >by your precious ears. Get an HD Radio and tells us what you=20 >experience. In my opinion that would make you some kind of a=20 >legitimate authority and have some weight when complaining about=20 >HD. > >There are problems that need to be solved on AM, as many have=20 >pointed out here, there are a few problems FM wise too. But we are >getting there, ever so slowly. > >Just like HDTV's are flying out the stores, soon HD Radios will >come into their own realm. But I can say the wait is driving me >nuts just like the death of AM analog stereo has drove Tekel crazy. > > >Kerry Richards=20 >Chief Engineer >WOR-AM From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Nov 09 16:28:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61770 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 00:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 00:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao08.cox.net) (68.230.241.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 00:28:31 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.6] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051110002734.JRVY776.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@[192.168.0.6]> for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:27:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:28:23 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kerry Richards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=_OYcn55_sDIcOry8m32QkmRleco3ZiF5XDcBPR-PpTwveeDyFH9Au3ovFEqC X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where is Kerry posting? I received no such posts here. On Nov 9, 2005, at 3:22 PM, jeffdeck2001 wrote: > It seems that Kerry is waging personal remarks against the people > who stated criticism in this forum for the iBiquity HD Radio system. > In his world, apparently there cannot be free speech; we all must > love and embrace this new technology, and overlook its inherent > flaws. > > Kerry: I take it personally when you call people "wackos" > and "looneys" for having a different opinion than you. This is a > very diverse group with different opinions. If everyone had the > same opinions, this world would be very boring to live in > (thankfully I do not live on Uranus where you think some live). > Calling names does not solve anything (perhaps you did not learn > this behavior on the playground in the first grade). > > Providing constructive criticism, there are shortcomings with > using IBOC on both bands. Realistically, I would not call the > wideband noise heard on the first and second adjacents of AM > stations transmitting HD as a "slight wisp." This sound is quite > loud on the first adjacents, magnified by the AGC of the radio > under test. Since we do not usually listen to first adjacents in > the daytime, it is not a huge deal. Transmitting night-time IBOC > will be a different story. > > In Detroit, virtually FM commercial broadcaster is transmitting > HD Radio. In my line of work, I drive several hundred miles per > month in our fleet of Ford, GM and Chrysler vehicles. It is > evident that listening to these FM stations during my drive testing, > there is some interference to a few of the main analog carriers. > This interference manifests itself as "picket fencing" in areas > where there was none heard prior to launching HD Radio. WMGC was > the first FM station in Detroit with HD, and I never heard the > "picket fencing" sounds. They also use a separate antenna system > for HD. WKRK and WRIF each use diplexed antennas for their HD, and > the interference is noticable. I simply stated that there are > engineering issues that need to be resolved. > > Since I am not backing up the data logically, but rather using > my precious ears, then my assessment must be flawed. When > listeners complain to station managers, they have their precious > ears as a reference tool. Kerry: what should we be using to listen > to your station, if not our ears? > > I would not call analog AM stereo dead yet. It is not the end of > the world. I am very optimistic of the longevity of C-QuAM stereo. > There are two new stations launching C-QuAM within the next two > months. Both have been actively writing to me about new tuners for > their stations. Both stations likely cannot afford the HD licensing > fees. I would also bet that HD radio penetration will never be > huge in these two smaller markets. > > Effective noise blankers remove many of the "clicks, snap, > crackle and pop" heard on the AM band. DSP technology has an > opportunity to remove the remaining noises heard on AM stations. > > I do believe that station general managers will "see the light" > eventually, and that AM IBOC may take the road of FMX, Eureka, and > other technologies that could not cut it in the mass market. > (Radio Shack deeply discounted their remaining supply of Eureka > radios in Canada last year). > > Consumers will not spend $500 for new technology to simply listen > to their favorite station without FM multipath artifacts (or > momentary loss of audio under a bridge for an AM station) as saving > graces. I have learned from operating a web site for more than one > year, that marketing radios as an end user item to consumers is very > price sensitive. It is difficult selling a $259 tuner to these > consumers. Program content will drive consumers to these > radios. In my opinion, it is smart to launch FM multicasting. > Unfortunately, AM will not have this strategic advantage. > > Sincerely, > Jeff Deck > http://Meduci.com > > You write: > >These so called audio experts like Tekel, have never heard HD, let > >alone any demos in a moving vehicle. > > > >HD holds great promise for our business, FM is going to reap the > >benefits of multicasting, AM will have for the first time a parity > >to analog FM in regards to stereo and frequency response. > > > >There are areas of Manhattan where HD works well for AM and FM > >where previously there was little or no analog service. We know > >this from experience. > > > >We have reached a point where HD will be literally needed in order > >to compete in the marketplace in the larger markets. With the > >combined efforts of broadcasters and manufacturers the radios will > >be coming along shortly. We have so much invested in this it is > >only now a matter of time until the receiver situation settles > >down, then we are off to the races. > > > >We have been doing all WOR remotes in Stereo, we have been > >producing all WOR in house elements in Stereo, it's kind of like a > >long dress rehearsal. > > > >But in the meantime, we have to take all the crap from assorted > >wackos like Tekel. I just love how he claims interference at night > >on AM, when no one is operating HD at night. You should hear the > >screaming from him and his band of assorted loonies complaining > >about WJR, WGN, WBBM, WOR etc. etc. converting to HD. It's like > >the end of the world to them, but they never seem to figure out if > >interference is so bad as they claim, why would every major market > >FM and AM be in the current process of operating or converting to > >HD? Why did they shut off the C-Quam? Try and get an answer to > >that from these guys. > > > >In AM there is a slight wisp on most radios above and below, I have > >never heard any artifacts interference wise on FM. But according > >to Tekel and company the AM band is ruined and all of his FM > >stations have noise, birdies, and other assorted crap. He is nuts, > >plain and simple and is no engineer, and means little or nothing to > >anyone here or anywhere else. Except maybe the planet Uranus, > >where each station operates in AM Stereo be it C-Quam or Kahn. I > >hear Kevin is a regular visitor there. > > > >It is not our fault that AM radios in general have poor frequency > >response, or that the AM band is noisy in general. But according > >to these experts clicks, pops, hums, low frequency response and no > >stereo sound better than HD AM, and multipath in FM sounds better > >than HD . Does this make sense? > > > >It would be one thing if Tekel would be driving around with an HD > >Radio, and letting us know where it works well and what it sounds > >like. His poor ears have been damaged by the horrible artifacts of > >the HD codec. I think it has affected his brain as well. > > > >I love logical complaints, with some kind of data to back them up. > > But as everyone here knows this is simply not the case. Tekel if > >you cannot take my ribbing, then back up your data logically, not > >by your precious ears. Get an HD Radio and tells us what you > >experience. In my opinion that would make you some kind of a > >legitimate authority and have some weight when complaining about > >HD. > > > >There are problems that need to be solved on AM, as many have > >pointed out here, there are a few problems FM wise too. But we are > >getting there, ever so slowly. > > > >Just like HDTV's are flying out the stores, soon HD Radios will > >come into their own realm. But I can say the wait is driving me > >nuts just like the death of AM analog stereo has drove Tekel crazy. > > > > > >Kerry Richards > >Chief Engineer > >WOR-AM > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Nov 09 17:04:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90019 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 01:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 01:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 01:04:10 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.46] (pool-71-250-70-147.nwrknj.east.verizon.net [71.250.70.147]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAA14S8Y089400 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:04:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <43729C81.2090209@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:04:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hello! New AM Stereo Station Coming Soon. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=vDeGROPcDV5Eg_3xGi6I03Mmkvg0eSGCcCK3VQWZHYWe3w X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well as soon as I can Get the stuff down south.. I will Be running AM stereo. again on 1680.. Later boys 2 hours sleep Its bed time Kevin T. wrote: >>Maybe we can be a little bit of a spark among those stations who've >>never tried it, or those who turned it off at some point. Sorry >>for the long first post, but it is still exciting to go Stereo on >>AM! >> >>Bill. >> >> > >Thanks so much for your participation and support, Bill. One thing >I suggest is that you contact Paul McLane, editor of Radio World >magazine (go to http://www.radioworld.com and you can find his e-mail >ink on the "About Us" page) and tell him about your station's upgrade >to AM Stereo. I'd say there's a good chance you'll get a nice little >mention in their Daily NewsBytes section, which would not only be >good publicity for your station, but for AM Stereo as well. KBPS in >Portland, OR had their upgrade to AM Stereo mentioned two years ago: > >http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=4276 > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Nov 09 17:34:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30616 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 01:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 01:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 01:34:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 01:34:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 01:34:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 01:34:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 01:34:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.234.18 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kerry Richards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=MBrEcpJ6bJ3eeAhddpFXEIdugwme0DI5yx45LiO5nX6q3LjQAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Where is Kerry posting? I received no such posts here. On the Radio-Tech list: http://www.broadcast.net/pipermail/radio-tech/2005-November/date.html From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Nov 09 17:42:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55218 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 01:42:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 01:42:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 01:42:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 01:42:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 01:42:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 01:42:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.234.18 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: nice oldies stream X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=-FlbZlXl3hFkRHGljktoiDzZmizjeHScZiKwTeVnh3f7Y0qNdw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > A friend of mine just pointed me here: > http://www.hylitradio.com/ >=20 > At 128 kbps, this stereo oldies stream is ideal for Alfredo Lites. > Plus, you'll hear a bunch of cool old jingles in between the tunes. Another fantastic 128 kbps web stream is "Radio 227" from the=20 Netherlands: http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=3D581696&Board=3Dstandards They play an incredible variety of music, and some of their older=20 selections have very nice stereo separation. If you like their=20 music, I recommend using a stream capture plugin, because it would be=20 a real challenge just to even *identify* some of the more obscure=20 tracks they play, let alone find that music on CD or download sites. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Nov 09 18:06:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17642 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 02:06:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 02:06:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 02:06:21 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.209]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 25756689 for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:06:20 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c5e59b$c7e08980$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:09:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.217.209 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Digest Number 1719 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=wGQVGoLGFG1mNUD7JACZ2qXgRfY5uY7h2y8trKPUVPx0AcLS0qI1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've managed to aquire a lot of "rack filler" over the years. AM stereo stuff hasn't been easy to come by. If it's so worthless I'd suspect they'd be giving it away. Only had that fortune a few times. Got an odd assortment of stuff where none of the exciters match a mod monitor. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" > > A world-class station like WJR will likely keep their C-Quam > > equipment in the rack "just in case". > The reality is things like that make great rack filler. They're not > kept in the rack "just in case". From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Nov 09 18:19:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23464 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 02:19:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 02:19:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 02:19:53 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.209]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 26202225 for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:19:27 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c5e59d$9ceb0000$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <43729C81.2090209@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:22:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 4, First 4, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.209 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hello! New AM Stereo Station Coming Soon. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=fEaAMTWypBuW7aqxoIROZ4ZtZ4PUwvefnxSWzoMUp0jzrMLTJZe6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude There's another 1680 wanting to go stereo? Or are you thinking of using it as a part 15 operation somewhere? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > Well as soon as I can Get the stuff down south.. I will Be running AM > stereo. again on 1680.. > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Nov 09 18:35:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59667 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 02:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 02:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 02:35:03 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.209]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 23505989 for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:11:43 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c5e59c$889bd4e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:14:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 1, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.209 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hello! New AM Stereo Station Coming Soon. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=8V2bnze3qggyrrlVx4j1p5nRnrlWxt94I9Gyti0RoDWSL0DvduZT X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Apologizing for a long post?? I hung on your every word! :) Thanks for the good news. Now if I can get some stations closer to home to do this... Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "WNMB Radio" Sorry for > the long first post, but it is still exciting to go Stereo on AM! > Bill. > > > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Nov 09 19:31:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55122 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 03:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 03:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 03:31:23 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ea38x-0001eq-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:30:31 -0500 Message-ID: <012c01c5e5a7$1a4a8e40$6502a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <43729C81.2090209@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:30:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hello! New AM Stereo Station Coming Soon. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=qc6AEBZQXcNklKg1JV1I6Oc6DxXDhKxgvIdBKmJTYvF1urZEICgaSPW7jD3fwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Neal Newman wrote: > Well as soon as I can Get the stuff down south.. I will Be running AM > stereo. again on 1680.. PLEASE tell me you are coming to Winter Garden's WLAA. I now live in the Orlando market and can hear it 24/7. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Nov 09 20:33:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7958 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 04:33:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 04:33:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 04:33:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 04:32:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 04:32:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 04:32:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007501c5e59d$9ceb0000$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.234.18 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hello! New AM Stereo Station Coming Soon. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=i3tvixJ-PdVN2wZjm6BR4bzGqwdEhqiwLOmbe-lFC6F6r6ej9A X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > There's another 1680 wanting to go stereo? Or are you thinking of > using it as a part 15 operation somewhere? Neal meant "down south" as in WTTM's move to the new transmitter=20 site, which is about 40 miles south of the original Princeton-area=20 site. From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Nov 10 04:21:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84478 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 12:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 12:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 12:21:22 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.46] (pool-71-250-70-147.nwrknj.east.verizon.net [71.250.70.147]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAACLf8Y095838 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:21:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <43733B3A.4050102@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:21:14 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <43729C81.2090209@skyweb.net> <007501c5e59d$9ceb0000$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <007501c5e59d$9ceb0000$d503fea9@stodd> X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hello! New AM Stereo Station Coming Soon. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=ExwDtTSAvgr0sWeq2PQpNp_2UNjODyseKl0Uyxdas-PTXg X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No Scott.. I Took 1680 in Princeton Off the air last sunday. I am testing the New 1680 Site in Lindenwold. its currently in Mono. and IBOC ready. however my Boss backs me up 100% and gave me Permission to Move the CQuam exciter and stuff Down to the New site.( I only have a motorcycle) so If I can get a larger Ride. I will get the exciter, mod meter and stereo Optimod down and hooked up so 1680 Goes back to stereo from the new Lindenwold site. South Jersey is getting AM Stereo Neal-CE Scott Todd wrote: >There's another 1680 wanting to go stereo? Or are you thinking of using it >as a part 15 operation somewhere? > >Scott Todd > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Neal Newman" > > > >>Well as soon as I can Get the stuff down south.. I will Be running AM >>stereo. again on 1680.. >> >> >> > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Nov 10 04:37:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88208 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 12:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 12:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 12:37:07 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.46] (pool-71-250-70-147.nwrknj.east.verizon.net [71.250.70.147]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAACbG8Y095896 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:37:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <43733EE1.9030202@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:36:49 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <43729C81.2090209@skyweb.net> <012c01c5e5a7$1a4a8e40$6502a8c0@PossumHunter> In-Reply-To: <012c01c5e5a7$1a4a8e40$6502a8c0@PossumHunter> X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hello! New AM Stereo Station Coming Soon. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=cLSBnUVvafzH8U8RykoFfboquC0P8gkipPlqDOe6tQsDlA X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL I was Meaning the New Lindenwold Site in South Jersey for WTTM... I wish It was Winter Garden. I highly Doubt that Rama would Hire me down there. I cost him too much money already..( I enquired about the CE position down there after Steve the Old CE passed away) may he rest in Peace. The CE postion was filled by BOZO the Clown. the guy before Steve took over. I can see the stations falling apart again.( below standards..) I give Steve Credit Of trying to work with nothing ( sounds Like me)and keeping the stations on the air with making a mess. using the Correct wire not using clip leads to jump stuff out.. he cleaned up the Others guys mess.. now that guy is back...GAG I sit up here in the North East cold this winter sipping on my Hot coco. Riding My Harley 120 miles a day in 7 -30 degree weather to get to work. life is grand..I just hope they Decide to Build the New studios to the north East of Philly so its closer to home here..( which is up for sale anyone want to Build a new house on a few acres?) Or after my Divorce goes through I may move down closer to Philly..(maybe build an Engineers apartment at the new studios LOL) Possum Hunter wrote: >Neal Newman wrote: > > >>Well as soon as I can Get the stuff down south.. I will Be running AM >>stereo. again on 1680.. >> >> > >PLEASE tell me you are coming to Winter Garden's WLAA. I now live in the >Orlando market and can hear it 24/7. > >Kevin in The Ocala National Forest >There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical >standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Nov 10 18:17:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84414 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2005 02:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2005 02:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2005 02:17:23 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.27]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 26446931 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:17:22 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c5e666$7e4aa140$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <43729C81.2090209@skyweb.net> <012c01c5e5a7$1a4a8e40$6502a8c0@PossumHunter> <43733EE1.9030202@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:20:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 15, in=7, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.27 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hello! New AM Stereo Station Coming Soon. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=sQ-NBVnS00uXbw8gO7XYS_Xr8ziTxdBHSlvDqp17e-OvmIGVxKvA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Sorry to hear things have fallen apart at home. What's going to happen to your transmitter collection? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > I just hope they Decide to Build the New studios to the north > East of Philly so its closer to home here..( which is up for sale anyone > want to Build a new house on a few acres?) > Or after my Divorce goes through I may move down closer to > Philly..(maybe build an Engineers apartment at the new studios LOL) > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Nov 10 18:21:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56645 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2005 02:21:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2005 02:21:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2005 02:21:10 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.27]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 26440011 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:21:09 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c5e667$05c2ce40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <43729C81.2090209@skyweb.net> <007501c5e59d$9ceb0000$d503fea9@stodd> <43733B3A.4050102@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:24:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=5, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.27 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hello! New AM Stereo Station Coming Soon. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=xEiKkKgFReBZDv0UN6SBanrLsd5dvSVayPW2Y1-GSdWDDcFTpJFr X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Will the old transmitter be moved to the new site as a backup? Hard to believe the DX-10 is 20 years old already. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > No Scott.. > I Took 1680 in Princeton Off the air last sunday. > I am testing the New 1680 Site in Lindenwold. its currently in Mono. and > IBOC ready. From groucho@skyweb.net Fri Nov 11 00:16:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90995 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2005 08:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2005 08:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2005 08:16:20 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.46] (pool-71-250-70-147.nwrknj.east.verizon.net [71.250.70.147]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAB8FB8Y022946 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:15:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <437452F5.6070500@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:14:45 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <43729C81.2090209@skyweb.net> <012c01c5e5a7$1a4a8e40$6502a8c0@PossumHunter> <43733EE1.9030202@skyweb.net> <003601c5e666$7e4aa140$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <003601c5e666$7e4aa140$d503fea9@stodd> X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hello! New AM Stereo Station Coming Soon. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=Km6fXMUuRk8GBOTmwJO0drju74nxPCNi8LNon4MzNYuJLQ X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit good Question Im not sure. More important where am I going to put my Experimental Airplane Ive been Building and all My PA Gear. I own a sound company I have Enough gear to do 10k People + venues 2 48 channel Yamaha Touring Consoles. Lots Of Gear. I am Not a happy camper.I need to Buy a place with Property like I have now with a work Barn, shes really screwing me up Scott Todd wrote: >Sorry to hear things have fallen apart at home. What's going to happen to >your transmitter collection? > >Scott Todd > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Neal Newman" > > > >>I just hope they Decide to Build the New studios to the north >>East of Philly so its closer to home here..( which is up for sale anyone >>want to Build a new house on a few acres?) >> Or after my Divorce goes through I may move down closer to >>Philly..(maybe build an Engineers apartment at the new studios LOL) >> >> >> > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Fri Nov 11 00:21:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79868 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2005 08:21:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2005 08:21:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2005 08:21:18 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.46] (pool-71-250-70-147.nwrknj.east.verizon.net [71.250.70.147]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAB8LV8Y022955 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:21:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <43745470.1040201@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:21:04 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <43729C81.2090209@skyweb.net> <007501c5e59d$9ceb0000$d503fea9@stodd> <43733B3A.4050102@skyweb.net> <004501c5e667$05c2ce40$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <004501c5e667$05c2ce40$d503fea9@stodd> X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hello! New AM Stereo Station Coming Soon. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=DKlj3BK6akJWf7MVDH-oEDUZJPwwze7UPPV9ypGATW2D1g X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My DX-10 is only 5 years old will Probably get retuned and brought to another station. I will miss it. it was a great transmitter. the Gates One will probably become the backup... Im Not happy with the New BE AM10000D.... They Probably. want to get another BE for the backup that will be able to handle IBOC . something the Gates One cannot Do.. Personally I would love to have the Gates one for my Ham use.. heck its at 1680 should Not be hard to retune to 1885 1 kw solid state. Scott Todd wrote: >Will the old transmitter be moved to the new site as a backup? Hard to >believe the DX-10 is 20 years old already. > >ST >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Neal Newman" > > > > >>No Scott.. >> I Took 1680 in Princeton Off the air last sunday. >>I am testing the New 1680 Site in Lindenwold. its currently in Mono. and >>IBOC ready. >> >> > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Nov 11 09:19:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36736 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2005 17:19:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2005 17:19:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2005 17:19:46 -0000 Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.203]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jABHJtto010099 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:19:55 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.76.217.30] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-217-30.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.217.30]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id jABHJZkA164186 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:19:36 -0500 Message-ID: <004401c5e6e4$308f5940$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <43729C81.2090209@skyweb.net> <012c01c5e5a7$1a4a8e40$6502a8c0@PossumHunter> <43733EE1.9030202@skyweb.net> <003601c5e666$7e4aa140$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:20:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0545-1, 11/09/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hello! New AM Stereo Station Coming Soon. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=wzb_3msjTYq8_1LbclBV_G_9esZvbReIP0pvZhC9vlKrOjo X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> I just hope they Decide to Build the New studios to the north >> East of Philly so its closer to home here..( which is up for sale anyone >> want to Build a new house on a few acres?) >> Or after my Divorce goes through I may move down closer to >> Philly..(maybe build an Engineers apartment at the new studios LOL) Been there and done that... It brings back memories of a horrible time in my life. My thoughts are with you, my friend. -Jim- From brian60420@yahoo.com Fri Nov 11 13:46:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28422 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2005 21:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2005 21:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2005 21:46:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2005 21:45:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2005 21:45:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 21:45:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 144.226.173.68 From: "brian60420" Subject: WOLF AM1490 on XM6 right now. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275; y=GO2Ui76oLtcOlnEZDYJE24a9ZCPbhJonv_K9QzdjTawOdHP6nQ X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Just to let AM programming fans know, XM6 is saluting WOLF AM1490 right=20 now.=20 If you grew up in Syracuse, NY in the 50's, 60's, 70's, and briefly the=20 80's, you remember the little station with a big punch, WOLF !!! At only 1000/250 watts it beat stations 20 times its size.=20 It was a Top 40 legend in Syracuse where many talented personalities=20 passed through. (Marv Albert) Listening to it through a Alf Lite and a Sony A100. brian From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Nov 11 15:03:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16570 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2005 23:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2005 23:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2005 23:03:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2005 23:03:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2005 23:03:36 -0000 X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46953 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2005 22:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2005 22:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2005 22:08:23 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.145.51e9f34f (3866) for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:04:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <145.51e9f34f.30a66f69@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:04:25 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Hello! New AM Stereo Station Coming Soon. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135; y=BEL-je5M8b_MRPvEDZJ8dDfz6v0JTYWt1yxy25i5S2RG X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 11 Nov 2005 23:03:34 -0000 > Im Not happy with the New BE AM10000D.... They Probably. want to > get another BE for the backup that will be able to handle IBOC . > something the Gates One cannot Do.. > Personally I would love to have the Gates one for my Ham use.. > heck its at 1680 should Not be hard to retune to 1885 1 kw solid > state. Uth oh...what is it you do not like about that AM10000D? If it is due to the lack of meters, plats on/off switches, filament switches...I can be very sympathetic with you. Two meters, instant on/off with no warm up/cool down time and nothing that glows in the dark and very few things that light up.....yep can't be real radio right? Other than that, I've had my hands on a few of the 1kw BE boxes....nothing much to them and if the load is fairly broad banded, then those BEs are fairly happy SWR wise. Keep the filters clean and keep'em cool and it'll run trouble free for a long time. Sorry to hear about the "explosion" on the home front. A pain in the caboose I know, but look at it like this.....there is a new found freedom waiting. No one telling what,when and how you are going to do what ever it is you want to do around the house nor anyone belly aching about when is your job going to let you come home. Bob Carter - KC4QLP From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Nov 11 19:52:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83077 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2005 03:52:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2005 03:52:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2005 03:52:07 -0000 Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.218]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAC3qPto007546 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:52:25 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.76.217.30] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-217-30.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.217.30]) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAC3q2B4145568 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:52:06 -0500 Message-ID: <002801c5e73c$789e4720$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:52:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0545-2, 11/11/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOLF AM1490 on XM6 right now. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=wdUu2hGkiL-fxucexJxo1qOCEsD-IYe8sxRbloZD-JRzMuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Just to let AM programming fans know, XM6 is saluting WOLF AM1490 right > now. > > If you grew up in Syracuse, NY in the 50's, 60's, 70's, and briefly the > 80's, you remember the little station with a big punch, WOLF !!! > > At only 1000/250 watts it beat stations 20 times its size. > > It was a Top 40 legend in Syracuse where many talented personalities > passed through. (Marv Albert) > > Listening to it through a Alf Lite and a Sony A100. > > brian This is a strange station according to the FCC database. They are a class C, on what is normally referred to as a 'graveyard' channel. This means that their primary purpose is to provide day and night service to a 'limited' area. Originally all Class C's were licensed with 250 watts 24 hours a day. At some point (in the 60's I believe) the daytime power was increased from 250 watts to 1,000 watts. At some point (in the 80's I believe) the night-time power level was increased to 1,000 watts as well, but it didn't really improve coverage as the noise level on these frequencies became astronomical. It did, however give them a bit better building penetration and lower the effect of electrical interference, but the coverage maps stayed about the same. In any event, I know of only a handful of stations on graveyard frequencies that are directional, so I was surprised to find that this station is directional during the day. They do have a CP for 1,000 watts 24/7 omni, but I don't know if it's operational. When I read the above post, I wondered if they really did broadcast with 250 watts at night. After checking I found their license is for 1,000 watts days, 1,000 watts nights, but with a directional antenna (2 tower array with a very slight null to the north-northeast) during the day. They may still power-down at night to save money on the 'lectric bill, but it would limit their ability to cover Syracuse. Anyone know why they are directional during the daytime? Perhaps to keep from wasting precious RF on the fishies? Anyone? Bueller? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 11 20:08:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28694 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2005 04:08:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2005 04:08:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2005 04:08:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2005 04:08:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2005 04:08:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2005 04:08:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 04:08:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002801c5e73c$789e4720$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.54.21 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOLF AM1490 on XM6 right now. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=k1Wedo31nXqervxKPgSjXIfC_vedLlqWhnh6025fkyNDf-1OpQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > In any event, I know of only a handful of stations on graveyard > frequencies that are directional, so I was surprised to find that > this station is directional during the day. 1230 WEEX in Easton, PA is 840 watts directional (2 towers) during=20 the daytime and 1000 watts non-directional at night. Logically you'd=20 expect it to be the other way around (lower-power and directional at=20 night), but that's what they're licensed to use. From bratina501@msn.com Fri Nov 11 22:46:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53553 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2005 06:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2005 06:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2005 06:46:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2005 06:43:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2005 06:43:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:43:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 198.68.56.115 From: "Nicholas" Subject: Re: Winter AM DX comes early... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=0GOngcvyM0jom86yFvRX7L-FrMyTLUBFl0dqnCFKA184mhyMlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > Sounds like the trans-Pacific stations (especially the Japanese ones)=20 > are getting an early start- I've picked up at least three of the 6 NHK=20 > stations (594 and 666 have been coming in best), as well as some others=20 > around the dial. One 9kHz station, on, Ii think, 778, came in- Another=20 > at 945 sounded like it was in American english. Still another sounded=20 > like it was in russian! I didn't get a chance to log them, as it was=20 > about 7am PDT, and was having a restless time of sleeping. :( >=20 > NHK-1 on 594 has been pretty consistant the last few nights, with music=20 > and talk, and even listenable without using the Select-A-Tenna on=20 > my 'A100 in ISB mode. Been getting them as early as 2:30am PDT. >=20 > Wonder if anyone else have been getting ocean-hoppers on either coast=20 > lately? >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > I have been getting the Japanese AM stations the 778 station mentioned is most likely 774 JOUB Akita NHK-2 I personaly have recieved that as well as JOHR 1287 Sapporo at times it was strong enough to make me consider hooking up the SRF-42 to my antenna and see it it could be recieved in stereo 4,000 miles away but I thought it would not work. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Nov 12 10:58:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88169 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2005 18:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2005 18:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2005 18:58:44 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.36]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 26823780 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:56:54 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c5e7bb$4d281420$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 13:00:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.36 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOLF AM1490 on XM6 right now. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=-pyt4qIwA0uPuPbOYADAms2VhrHZWyQ8UkAV0y-JLzceytgL4C1g X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude My guess would be it's due to short-spacing somewhere.. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." To: Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 10:08 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOLF AM1490 on XM6 right now. > > In any event, I know of only a handful of stations on graveyard > > frequencies that are directional, so I was surprised to find that > > this station is directional during the day. > > 1230 WEEX in Easton, PA is 840 watts directional (2 towers) during > the daytime and 1000 watts non-directional at night. Logically you'd > expect it to be the other way around (lower-power and directional at > night), but that's what they're licensed to use. > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From kya1260@lycos.com Sat Nov 12 11:39:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80895 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2005 19:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2005 19:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2005 19:39:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id A87711800137 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:39:58 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 12 Nov 2005 19:39:58 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9F7EEC6135; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:39:58 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:39:58 -0800 Received: from [69.105.238.109] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:39:58 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051112193958.9F7EEC6135@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOLF AM1490 on XM6 right now. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=XXYYQJdAnX44BBHYLmOVwEGHKW6jQHM09tWNdLHwE6e70q09Fg X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Although not in the same sense as a "directional" array, legendary=20 soul station 1230 KC, KGFJ Los Angeles, for many years had to=20 operate at 100 watts on Wednesday Nights and Sundays to accomodate the 100 watts (specified hours of operation) for KPPC 1240=20 in nearby Pasadena (KPPC was owned by a church that broadcast on Wednesday nights and almost all day Sunday)... I believe that KPPC is now a 250-watt daytimer seven days a week=20 as of the 1990s, since KGFJ replaced its wire antenna with a=20 tower, but I am unsure... Similarly, 1450 KOBO, in Yuba City, Calif., broadcasts at 500 watts=20 day instead of 1,000 watts, but it is non-directional. Quite a Top-40 station in its heyday, with many talent making it to Sacramento and elesewhere in the '60s and '70s... --Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOLF AM1490 on XM6 right now. Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 13:00:06 -0600 >=20 > My guess would be it's due to short-spacing somewhere.. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin T." > To: > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 10:08 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOLF AM1490 on XM6 right now. >=20 >=20 > > > In any event, I know of only a handful of stations on graveyard > > > frequencies that are directional, so I was surprised to find that > > > this station is directional during the day. > > > > 1230 WEEX in Easton, PA is 840 watts directional (2 towers)=20 > > during the daytime and 1000 watts non-directional at night.=20=20 > > Logically you'd expect it to be the other way around (lower-power=20 > > and directional at night), but that's what they're licensed to=20 > > use. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 12 15:06:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93600 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2005 23:06:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2005 23:06:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2005 23:06:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2005 23:06:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2005 23:06:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:06:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051112193958.9F7EEC6135@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.54.21 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOLF AM1490 on XM6 right now. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=3RzAIS7LusYujJZID3n43iWwOh0H5f69H9jKCMJJbaFl_UOFXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Similarly, 1450 KOBO, in Yuba City, Calif., broadcasts at 500 watts=20 > day instead of 1,000 watts, but it is non-directional. 1490 WUSS in Atlantic City, NJ is 400 watts ND, day and night. If they were inland their coverage would be minimal, but since half=20 their signal is beamed out over the Atlantic Ocean, their signal=20 carries up and down the coastline quite a bit, just like many low- power AM stations along the East Coast. Anyway, you can hear WOLF's current format on XM as well -- just tune=20 to the Radio Disney channel. From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sun Nov 13 09:15:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87976 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2005 17:15:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2005 17:15:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2005 17:15:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2005 17:14:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2005 17:14:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2005 17:14:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:14:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.114.164.108 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Kerry Richards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=ucqexsrM_AHkbath6ROpQi76niGs9jqHwNSIdwN9kGIX X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq > >Just like HDTV's are flying out the stores, soon HD Radios will > >come into their own realm. But I can say the wait is driving me > >nuts just like the death of AM analog stereo has drove Tekel=20 crazy. I have to laugh. If HDTV sets are "flying out of the stores" then=20 why has the digital TV cutover been pushed back to April 2009?? Get=20 real. The public isn't jumping on this as fast as Kerry thinks. Say=20 digital radio to most people and they think of satellite radio.=20 The other thing that makes me laugh is that how many people know=20 that "HD Radio" doesn't mean "High Definition Radio". HD just stands=20 for HD. That's what the guy at the ibiquity booth told me at the NAB=20 Radio Show. Sounds like a bunch of B.S. to me. Everyone needs to stop thinking with their guts and start using=20 their minds. The sunset of analog radio is a long way off. Something=20 better will hopefully show up before then, that is if bad=20 programming doesn't kill radio first. Jerry WA2FNQ From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Nov 13 12:28:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47747 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2005 20:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2005 20:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao02.cox.net) (68.230.241.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2005 20:27:59 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.6] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051113202707.DVPN17006.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.0.6]> for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:27:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5C9B0F39-75DB-4FC5-9BE0-EEE138DF34CF@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:27:54 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kerry Richards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=HHQBez74SuH9pCy1Ux9l7ReNyZWuThUSkavHbWl3OhgKgbUtHfdQ92W0Xkzl X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner In order to speed up the conversion of smaller sets that weren't under the original order. This is actually a move UP for smaller sets. On Nov 13, 2005, at 9:14 AM, wa2fnq wrote: > I have to laugh. If HDTV sets are "flying out of the stores" then > why has the digital TV cutover been pushed back to April 2009?? From tomray@wor710.com Sun Nov 13 14:20:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6091 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2005 22:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2005 22:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2005 22:20:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2005 22:20:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2005 22:20:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:20:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005101c5e7bb$4d281420$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: WOLF AM1490 on XM6 right now. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=IiJlZRRrJSkhY4vy5yco-0vHWQnJXfg3usnx04LnnPibdf2w X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > My guess would be it's due to short-spacing somewhere.. >=20 > Scott Todd If you do a Yahoo search on Syracuse radio, there is a bunch of information on WOLF. That directional pattern was to help them out with the bigger stations in the metro. Tom Ray WOR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 13 15:36:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36346 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2005 23:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2005 23:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2005 23:36:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2005 23:36:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2005 23:36:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2005 23:36:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:36:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.54.21 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Kerry Richards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=ybHCzOnknnsQFrhnFl0-ZBh46Wabw3say31nhbVaXJi-U_arkg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have to laugh. If HDTV sets are "flying out of the stores" then=20 > why has the digital TV cutover been pushed back to April 2009?? Get=20 > real. The public isn't jumping on this as fast as Kerry thinks. I still have yet to see an actual on-air DTV broadcast being received=20 by an in-store HDTV set. If there's any true widescreen video being=20 displayed on the sets, it's from the store's own in-house video=20 source, usually a DVD set to repeat play. Or even worse, they just=20 have a regular analog TV source, with the HDTV sets configured to=20 stretch out the 4:3 video to fit the widescreen aspect ratio.=20=20 Wal-Mart's in-store TV channel is like that -- they have a whole=20 bunch of fancy new widescreen TVs to display it, but it's just 4:3=20 analog video stretched-out to fit the screen. It makes me wonder if=20 people actually know the difference between true widescreen video and=20 4:3 video that's horizontally stretched. This is almost as bad as=20 stores which hook up their stereo systems with the speakers out-of- phase. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Nov 13 16:36:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49003 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2005 00:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2005 00:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2005 00:36:18 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.254]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 27115336 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:36:16 -0500 CDT Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c5e8b3$e215d9c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:39:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 6, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.212.254 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOLF AM1490 on XM6 right now. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=0w1okLsgDd5oRGQq9EY0go50SILAwsZ6j9ebXmr7mwCN33yUDNa6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Ya learn somethin' new each day. Thanks, Tom! Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" > If you do a Yahoo search on Syracuse radio, there is a bunch of > information on WOLF. That directional pattern was to help them out > with the bigger stations in the metro. From oldphones@webtv.net Mon Nov 14 05:18:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45160 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2005 13:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2005 13:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.139) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2005 13:18:39 -0000 Received: from storefull-3335.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 19D86D6D6; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:15:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3335.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA17355; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:15:27 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAiWrKFY0vf2tz9sFoWJfrzccEgTcCFEx0mvxcyE3uofN7hYk8bYfwEg3Q Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:15:27 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: ABDX@yahoogroups.com, CMElogs@americanbroadcastdx.com, ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com Message-ID: <20539-43788DEF-3842@storefull-3335.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 12 Nov 2005 22:35:35 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Iowa Loggings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=fI-37vpurlvllTrvT4TValvyS4vNJrs_gBE0HPhxVgHzeMBnIg X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Went on a trip to Des Moines, Iowa this weekend, DID NOT expect tornados in November!!! Loggings: 1220 KJAN Atlantic, Iowa In Am Stereo 10:10 to 10:30 AM CST Sat Nov 12th Playing Sinata's "My Way", the Night Chicago died., others Good sounding stereo on Delco UX-1 KC Football was on during the return trip on Sunday 1520 KSIB Creston, IA "Radio Creston" 1520 AM // KSIB-FM 101.3 10:30 to 10;50 AM CST Nov 12 Paul Harvey into country music. Bad 60 Hz hum but went away when Paul Harvey ended. Broadcasting in AM Stereo --> suspect that this station is daytime on 1520 ( KOMA's old frequency ) Ford stock radio and Delco UX-1 1110 KFAB Omaha 16:45 to 17:00 Nov 12 Univ. of Nebraska Football Vs. Kansas State Very bad lighting interference, tornado warnings in nearby Dallas and Story counties Nebraska won 27- 25. KFAB signal dropped out at 5 PM pattern change Ford stock radio 1110 KFAB Omaha 5: 55 to 6:05 AM Nov 13 Pharmaceutical program leading into 6 AM Fox News Radio Surprised to hear KFAB on directional pattern to the East, switch at 5:58 AM signal improved quite a bit with switch to Omni-directional tower. Once again the Sony SRF-A100 proves it's worth on DX. 1350 KRNT Des Moines 6: 06 to 6;20 PM Nov 12 Iowa STate Game delayed due to tornado warning for the Ames, Iowa ( Story Co ) area 1040 WHO Also reporting bad WX in area Ford Stock Radio PLUS +++++ 1350 KRNT runs Sounds of Sinata Program 7 to 8 am Sunday morning ( Mono) while 1040 WHO runs another nostalgic music program at the same time on 1040. Didn't think WHO even ran music, and seems to be doing a lot more sports in connection with co-owned KXNO. I also drove out to Mitchelville, Iowa to check out the WHO tower. Running typical talk programs and 11:00 to 12 Noon on Sunday Nov 13th Ford Stock Radio, SRF-A100 1410 KGRL Grinnell, Iowa 11:40; to 12:00 Sunday Nov 13 with Music, local announcements. Checking with Delco UX-1 to see if this station still runs AM Stereo, was unable to get a strong enough signal to confirm AM Stereo operation.. Bill Snyder BS-NE BS -NE 1 Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 597-5276 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Nov 14 06:31:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20184 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2005 14:31:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2005 14:31:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2005 14:31:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:30:53 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.48 by BAY106-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:30:52 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:30:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2005 14:30:53.0574 (UTC) FILETIME=[04A3E260:01C5E928] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Juan in Iowa (Bob Betcher 1953 - 2005) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Sorry to use the list in this manner, but......... Juan, I'm not sure since you left Florida, that I have you current email ad= dress. Bob Betcher, died of complications from his cancer and Crohn's disease, yes= terday (Sunday 13 November 2005 at 12 noon). People will miss his weekly radio and TV column, as well as Bob himself. I will try, what I last have as your email address and give you more detail= s. Donn st petersburg,fl From wa2fnq@optonline.net Mon Nov 14 10:27:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5121 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2005 18:27:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2005 18:27:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2005 18:27:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2005 18:26:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2005 18:26:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:26:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5C9B0F39-75DB-4FC5-9BE0-EEE138DF34CF@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.114.164.108 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Kerry Richards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=SNRFiqJxYSpAykl_24FN8MO7O8Qg45b2EUu0jOCUEhhm X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Yes, but I believe the original sunset for analog transmissions was=20 January of this year. It's a whole different thing to sunset analog for TV than it is to do=20 it for radio. If you have an analog set and are connected to digital=20 cable (the cable box does the conversion), have DSS or Dish you're=20 considered a digital household. With radio there's no such thing. You=20 must have a digital radio to receive digital broadcasts. Also, what a lot of people haven't talked much about, is once you're=20 digital things get different with the RIAA and digital rights=20 management. There's going to be more control of what you can play on=20 the air, record or even listen to. Get ready for it to happen. You've=20 now given away the candy store. Never forsake the darkside.... analog. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > > In order to speed up the conversion of smaller sets that weren't=20=20 > under the original order. This is actually a move UP for smaller=20 sets. >=20 > On Nov 13, 2005, at 9:14 AM, wa2fnq wrote: >=20 > > I have to laugh. If HDTV sets are "flying out of the stores" then > > why has the digital TV cutover been pushed back to April 2009?? > From wa2fnq@optonline.net Mon Nov 14 10:53:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31725 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2005 18:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2005 18:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2005 18:53:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2005 18:50:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2005 18:50:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:50:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.114.164.108 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Kerry Richards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=DBXxSXK0lWEikoKAUqXjv-1on2ECn66GlbFZbg2TRJao X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > Yes, but I believe the original sunset for analog transmissions was=20 > January of this year. That should read January of this coming year. It's been a long weekend. Jerry WA2FNQ From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Nov 14 14:35:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84242 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2005 22:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2005 22:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccmmhc92.asp.att.net) (204.127.203.212) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2005 22:35:15 -0000 Received: from your75ojnaappr (12-218-230-85.client.mchsi.com[12.218.230.85]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with SMTP id <20051114223436m920067oa3e>; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:34:37 +0000 Message-ID: <003f01c5e96b$97205c20$55e6da0c@your75ojnaappr> To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:25:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0546-0, 11/14/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 204.127.203.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John / Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Juan in Iowa (Bob Betcher 1953 - 2005) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=4VITPxCeTmocFrmiY7BGgevmgPnRN-WIhwbeQe9mkmwuCLA X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh no, That is terrible. I spoke with him a few weeks ago and he seemed fine. He was gathering info on an article on my departure. My e-mail is gualdaj@bellsouth.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Donn Tillman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:30 AM Subject: {AMSF} Juan in Iowa (Bob Betcher 1953 - 2005) Sorry to use the list in this manner, but......... Juan, I'm not sure since you left Florida, that I have you current email address. Bob Betcher, died of complications from his cancer and Crohn's disease, yesterday (Sunday 13 November 2005 at 12 noon). People will miss his weekly radio and TV column, as well as Bob himself. I will try, what I last have as your email address and give you more details. Donn st petersburg,fl Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 14 15:10:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10393 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2005 23:10:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2005 23:10:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.118) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2005 23:10:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 42836 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2005 23:10:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20051114231053.42834.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.126] by web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:10:53 PST Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:10:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.118 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kerry Richards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=n6N85PGT8UnbQ9huf2O2QhX00mGq1sJ_0rRrckWb7q8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW And speaking of WISPS.....I thought that happened when one ate too many beans.... Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Mon Nov 14 17:10:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92248 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 01:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2005 01:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 01:10:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 01:09:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 01:09:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:09:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: AM Stereo Auctions!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=PA_PvXs2CfO7VpHitBzXpMOmCkeOsPR-h1WvFuXT94LIti_qS7ZN X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Hello, There is an AM stereo auction blitz taking place until Sunday on eBay.=20=20 Chris Cuff and I are cross-promoting our eBay auctions=20 for new AM stereo transmitters and tuner. Chris has already sold nearly half his supply since yesterday. Check out these auctions: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5830089138 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D6578818338 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5830132720 Bid high and bid often. Thanks everyone for the support. Also, you can listen to an air check of CFCO recorded on November 12, 2005 from CFCO's night pattern. CFCO is approximately 60 miles southeast of my QTH. Please right click,=20 save target to your local hard drive (this file is nearly 3.8=20 MB): http://Meduci.com/CFCO-11-12-05-meduci-amx2000.mp3 There is substantial QRM from leaking aerial power line insulators. Now you know why I was not so forthcoming in=20 the past with CFCO air checks from my QTH. CFCO is the only broadcast AM stereo station at my location airing contemporary music.=20 73, Jeff Deck http://Meduci.com From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Nov 14 17:48:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2927 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 01:48:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2005 01:48:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm43.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 01:48:20 -0000 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.65]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAF1mM2C003134 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:48:22 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.76.217.30] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-217-30.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.217.30]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAF1mDk5207070 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:48:18 -0500 Message-ID: <003d01c5e986$a7593ce0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:48:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0546-0, 11/14/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOLF AM1490 on XM6 right now. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=-uOnXDn0b_297cw54cQUC3QbM33iZja4ryz8In5u7XaRnkY X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > If you do a Yahoo search on Syracuse radio, there is a bunch of > information on WOLF. That directional pattern was to help them out > with the bigger stations in the metro. I'm guessing here, but would I be right in assuming that they can't use the DA at night because it would give them an unfair advantage with all other's on 1490KHz? -Jim- From starship_2001@msn.com Tue Nov 15 02:53:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20156 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 10:53:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2005 10:53:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 10:53:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:51:33 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.17 by BAY106-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:51:32 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:51:32 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2005 10:51:33.0043 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AC3F830:01C5E9D2] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kerry Richards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=EJX8Z7h1k0Pd6OTaCnROX3vQOxTv300eZJSCtD9eXI2SQvG396hCZ4mGPg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 The IBOC hash and downgraded telephone quailty bandwidth will finish the AM band long before any "analog sunset" as more and more stations "turn it on". It will be all over once nighttime IBOC starts . -----Original Message----- From: wa2fnq Sent: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:14:03 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kerry Richards > >Just like HDTV's are flying out the stores, soon HD Radios will > >come into their own realm. But I can say the wait is driving me > >nuts just like the death of AM analog stereo has drove Tekel crazy. I have to laugh. If HDTV sets are "flying out of the stores" then why has the digital TV cutover been pushed back to April 2009?? Get real. The public isn't jumping on this as fast as Kerry thinks. Say digital radio to most people and they think of satellite radio. The other thing that makes me laugh is that how many people know that "HD Radio" doesn't mean "High Definition Radio". HD just stands for HD. That's what the guy at the ibiquity booth told me at the NAB Radio Show. Sounds like a bunch of B.S. to me. Everyone needs to stop thinking with their guts and start using their minds. The sunset of analog radio is a long way off. Something better will hopefully show up before then, that is if bad programming doesn't kill radio first. Jerry WA2FNQ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! 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Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2005 11:37:54.0488 (UTC) FILETIME=[04A2CB80:01C5E9D9] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.162.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: chris cuff am cquam tx's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=RKcjm5DANGsr5_AkEMB5f3rd2EtZfZLIoqIU-mKDzPiR X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd looks like he is getting out of the bussiness :( now I'm glad i bought one of the 100mw models and some crystals :) here is link to auction.... http://cgi.ebay.com/AM-Stereo-CQUAM-portable-transmitter-Last-Call_W0QQitemZ6578818338QQcategoryZ38034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 15 05:36:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30380 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 13:36:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2005 13:36:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 13:36:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 2193 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2005 13:36:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20051115133629.2191.qmail@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:36:29 PST Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:36:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1132018433.248.68782.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Paging ALFREDO and DARWIN X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=2RFynyvDgQ2rtxfrsBvodgFSe2oujeAYuqya-MZBIUsx-8t4ve8_tFg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Darwin and Alfredo - we haven't heard anything from two of our brightest engineers in a long time - are you guys still out there lurking about? Please check in! "Johnny Electron" __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From tomray@wor710.com Tue Nov 15 07:46:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30181 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 15:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2005 15:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 15:46:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 15:46:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 15:46:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:46:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051114231053.42834.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kerry Richards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=HcEqC1qGNnZxv-1mm2RciFeINFUV6prYShVaVUCHTdPdg-79 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > >=20 > And speaking of WISPS.....I thought that happened when > one ate too many beans.... >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > w4opw@a... > NNNN! > Only if they're not cooked upside down, Powell! Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Nov 15 07:46:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56734 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 15:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2005 15:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 15:46:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 15:45:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 15:45:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:45:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Kerry Richards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=PUHLZXiOSxaxw2tWR8IMpIQGSdzzVYNyKzLXY08N5C7P66YO X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > Yes, but I believe the original sunset for analog transmissions was=20 > January of this year. >=20 > It's a whole different thing to sunset analog for TV than it is to do=20 > it for radio. If you have an analog set and are connected to digital=20 > cable (the cable box does the conversion), have DSS or Dish you're=20 > considered a digital household. With radio there's no such thing. You=20 > must have a digital radio to receive digital broadcasts. What's the difference? This is HDTV, not digital TV. DirecTV has HD channels up....I don't have an HD set in the house, and cannot watch them. I need an HD set to do so, so I'll need to buy a new TV when the analog sunset hits. And to use the theories that have been tossed about....what about those who are still using rabbit ears or rooftop antennas and don't want to pay for cable or satellite? They're going to either have to buy a set top box or a new TV....and most likely a new antenna with a rotor (remember those?), as aiming of the antenna is critical. Why should they scrap what they already have that is perfectly good? Or spend $ that they shouldn't have to? Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Nov 15 07:48:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77282 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 15:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2005 15:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 15:48:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 15:47:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 15:47:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 15:47:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:47:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003d01c5e986$a7593ce0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOLF AM1490 on XM6 right now. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=bF5scJoRsItKZrdjr-ji9pv9yFr1Ys08AbAMNlMtiI0gQbmH X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > > If you do a Yahoo search on Syracuse radio, there is a bunch of > > information on WOLF. That directional pattern was to help them out > > with the bigger stations in the metro. >=20 > I'm guessing here, but would I be right in assuming that they can't use the > DA at night because it would give them an unfair advantage with all other's > on 1490KHz? >=20 > -Jim- > Most likely that their DA won't comply with the nighttime protection requirements. Tom Ray WOR From wa2fnq@optonline.net Tue Nov 15 10:06:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16004 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 18:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2005 18:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 18:06:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 18:06:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 18:06:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:06:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.114.164.108 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Kerry Richards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=Nk17GrkMx4Wvdko96_DwfYaxkEbraQDE6PlVdplpA_mQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Hi Tom and everyone!! I don't want to take up the boards time with TV stuff but this might=20 be interesting. Well, unless things change, and nobody has a crystal ball, it goes=20 something like this: All HDTV in this country is digital but not all digital is HDTV. And=20 that's where our friends at the FCC screwed up. When=20 they said digital I think they meant HDTV but forgot to say it. So=20 now you have many forms of digital TV, from standard=20 definition through the many forms of HDTV (1080i, 720p, etc.). All=20 you need to do after the analog sunset happens is to=20 transmit a standard definition channel but it must be digital. What=20 you're probably going to see is multicasting of a=20 number of standard definition channels, a high definition channel=20 and a standard definition channel, just a real good quality=20 HDTV channel or any number of different combinations you can think=20 of. It's all how you allocate your bits in that digital=20 data stream. There's also video on demand which is just a slower=20 speed data stream picked up by your cable system and stored=20 on a server for the customer to call up when they want to watch the=20 program. That's just standard definition right now. Yes, mess. Right now, for the purposes of figuring out the percentages of=20 digital households in a market, the FCC has been considering=20 people with DSS or digital cable as digital households. Even though=20 your set is analog you're still watching a digital signal.=20 The conversion is done by the cable box or DSS receiver and your set=20 is still analog. In our area I know if you ask the cable=20 company for an HDTV box all you need is that nifty, big, plasma HDTV=20 monitor (or LCD monitor, etc.). No tuner is necessary.=20 All the signals come right out of the cable box. Where it is all going to be at in 2009 is anybodys guess. I think=20 there probably will be pleanty of standard definition signals=20 around to watch. I don't see TV Land going high definition in the=20 forseeable future. But you're right, the guy who's going to=20 take it in the shorts is the guy with rabbit ears watching over the=20 air TV. If he's doing it because he's a hold out that's=20 his problem. If he's doing it because he can't afford to buy one of=20 those new digital sets that's another story. There's been=20 some talk of giving those people some kind of relief so they'll at=20 least have something to watch. The real killer is video on demand. When I was at HBO my boss wired=20 up my office as the first test place for their video on=20 demand system. All of a sudden you relize you can watch things when=20 you want to watch them, not to some TV schedule. You don't=20 have to record shows (TIVO or whatever) and watch them later. It's=20 all there for you to call up when you want it. If it catches on VOD=20 will be to TV what the iPod is to radio. Jerry WA2FNQ=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > > > Yes, but I believe the original sunset for analog transmissions=20 was=20 > > January of this year. > >=20 > > It's a whole different thing to sunset analog for TV than it is=20 to do=20 > > it for radio. If you have an analog set and are connected to=20 digital=20 > > cable (the cable box does the conversion), have DSS or Dish=20 you're=20 > > considered a digital household. With radio there's no such=20 thing. You=20 > > must have a digital radio to receive digital broadcasts. >=20 > What's the difference? This is HDTV, not digital TV. DirecTV has=20 HD > channels up....I don't have an HD set in the house, and cannot=20 watch > them. I need an HD set to do so, so I'll need to buy a new TV when > the analog sunset hits. >=20 > And to use the theories that have been tossed about....what about > those who are still using rabbit ears or rooftop antennas and don't > want to pay for cable or satellite? They're going to either have=20 to > buy a set top box or a new TV....and most likely a new antenna=20 with a > rotor (remember those?), as aiming of the antenna is critical. Why > should they scrap what they already have that is perfectly good?=20=20 Or > spend $ that they shouldn't have to? >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 15 16:35:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66907 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2005 00:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2005 00:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.119) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2005 00:35:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 93008 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2005 00:35:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20051116003522.93006.qmail@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.110] by web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:35:22 PST Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:35:22 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.119 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kerry Richards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=1tkALtpaU5SzBGRdrH_6pRTt4gNOXUyfatc8oYV44uc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > > > And speaking of WISPS.....I thought that happened > when > > one ate too many beans.... > > Powell > Only if they're not cooked upside down, Powell! > > Tom Ray > WOR Not to worry. I'm talking to Bob Orban about that phase reversal problem. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 15 16:41:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82699 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2005 00:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2005 00:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.123) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2005 00:41:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 42272 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2005 00:40:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20051116004026.42270.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.110] by web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:40:26 PST Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:40:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOLF AM1490 on XM6 right now. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=P2PFBUxE81oFSKxLqV68_-BotESwT0rEQWXD0zSIPe4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" > wrote: > > > > > If you do a Yahoo search on Syracuse radio, > there is a bunch of > > > information on WOLF. That directional pattern > was to help them out > > > with the bigger stations in the metro. > > > > I'm guessing here, but would I be right in > assuming that they can't > use the > > DA at night because it would give them an unfair > advantage with all > other's > > on 1490KHz? > > > > -Jim- > > > Most likely that their DA won't comply with the > nighttime protection > requirements. > > Tom Ray > WOR The old class IV's were not afforded ANY night time protection. I've seen some allocations with 500 watts day and 1000 watts night... Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Tue Nov 15 17:14:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47838 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2005 01:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2005 01:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2005 01:14:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2005 01:13:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2005 01:13:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:13:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: WJR Listeners Did Notice AM Stereo Loss X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=8Xs19Tn-rmFv6-8zJ6PwSGg2dNg7mrg2FmB7FjyWrZVTbRt6nmi9 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Hello, On the local AM front, WFDF and WCHB have dropped HD Radio=20 broadcasts (locally WXYT and WWJ are still transmitting HD). ABC=20 Radio is days away from being sold.=20=20=20 Listeners did notice WJR's absence of stereo! There were many=20 replies posted at the DetroitYES (http://detroityes.com/index.html) discussion group, and a few of the more interesting replies follow: --------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 12:40 am:=20=20 Username: Burnsie Post Number: 349 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.177.80.65 Hope this topic isn't too narrow for this board, but after 20 years, WJR no longer broadcasts in stereo, due to adoption of the IBOC=20 system. I could see the end coming after longtime Chief Engineer Ed=20 Buterbaugh retired last year.=20 The analog/digital hybrid, IBOC ("in band on channel") is being pushed by the FCC due to lobbying by the Ibiquity company. More=20 channels, more commercials. Consumers couldn't care less or know=20 anything about it, and who the hell knows someone who owns a "HD" radio receiver?=20 Regardless of all the crap that passes for programming on WJR today, I still loved the novelty of listening to spectacular sound on an AM station. It sounded sweet on my dad's '89 LeSabre with the Delco AM=20 Stereo radio, and on my Sony AM Stereo walkman (no longer made). --------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 7:29 am:=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Username: Crash_nyc Post Number: 436 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 24.193.163.24 As a tecchie/audiophile (and former radio professional), I remember being a little excited at the concept of "AM Stereo" when it was=20 first introduced. It's a novelty though, and it really hasn't=20 progressed much from that perception.=20 AM, by it's very nature, has crappy frequency range, and the idea=20 of "AM Stereo" always seemed to me to be like "putting pearls on a=20 pig" (invoking a Japanese saying that my wife taught me-- seemed=20 appropriate).=20 To its credit, WJR has a POWERFUL signal! It gets a good bounce=20 through the stratosphere to the east coast. At night, I can tune in=20 and listen to 760-WJR as far out as Long Island (not so much within NYC though, too much interference). I've also noticed on many visits back to the D that one of NYC's=20 local 24-hr news stations can be heard loud & clear on some nights: 880-WCBS. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 11:14 am:=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Username: Burnsie Post Number: 351 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 35.12.18.239 Crash_nyc-- AM stereo might sound like a gimmick, but at least on=20 WJR, in the metro area, it sounded *spectacular* compared with the=20 other AM stations (and many of the FM ones as well). The real=20 problem was that the FCC dickered around too long before deciding on the Motorola C-QUAM standard, so ultimately not many stations=20 adopted AM Stereo and it's been almost impossible to find new home radios with that option in the past few years.=20 As a bit of an audiophile, I enjoyed listening to stereo commercials and promos on WJR simply for the novelty of hearing excellent sound=20 on an AM station. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 5:24 pm:=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Username: Vic_doucette Post Number: 227 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.248.17.106 warning -- technical post starts=20 Crash,=20 AM radio is fully capable of 50Hz-15 KHz bandwith, in mono or=20 stereo, but only if the station's equipment is of good quality and properly maintained.=20 (For non-techies, that's nearly as good as most folks can hear,=20 given the damage inflicted upon our ears these days. Not quite CD- quality frequency response, but a hell of a lot better than you'd=20 guess -- you ould be fooled into thinking it was an FM station.) The reasons AM fidelity sucks are:=20 1. Equipment is often old and beaten-up, especially at smaller shops. 2. Engineers would rather work on something with more modern=20 technology, so AM gets pushed into the background.=20 3. 90% or more of AM radios today have crappy specs and would sound like a tin can even if you played the best recordings in the world on them.=20 And the AM stereo fans out there in southeast Michigan should try listening to 630 AM, CFCO, from up around Chatham, Ont. They=20 broadcast in AM stereo (C-QUAM, I think), and play a wider variety of music than many stations. The station puts a pretty strong signal over the Detroit area 24 hours a day. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 10:46 pm:=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Username: Gannon Post Number: 4924 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 70.200.147.113 Jt1,=20 Gannon has work to do some days, and this week has been=20 spectacularly busy. Plus, I'm finally moving all my heavy stuff into the loft.=20 AM Stereo has NEVER been a big thing in the home entertainment=20 electronics world...for whatever reason, the major Japanese=20 manufacturers have never put it into their surround sound receivers. They've been cheapening up their FM performance over the last ten=20 years as well. There are VERY few really great sounding FM tuners=20 out there.=20 I'm keeping an OLD a/d/s/ receiver alive (in a McGuyver sorta way)=20 JUST for it's FM performance, since WDET kicks absolute ass with=20 it's compression-free broadcasts.=20 But it is a bummer that digital shared spectrum greed has hit the AM dial as well. Damned bad enough that we've had to struggle against=20 HD TV broadcasts going to four or five stations at 480p instead of ONE kick-butt 720p signal like our Public Television and ABC=20 affiliates send out.=20 Don't get me started on 1080i...ALL interlaced video sucks...but that is another thread entirely.=20 AM stereo has always been outside my experience...unfortunately even AM broadcasting entirely. My radios are all stuck on WDET...although=20 my new neighbor spins discs on 107.5 so I've checked out her mix a=20 few nights. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 3:00 pm:=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Username: Burnsie Post Number: 352 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 35.12.23.113 AM Stereo's quality isn't just noticeable with music. WJR's stereo audio chain, with the expert engineering Buterbaugh put in place,=20 allowed voices to have a distinct fidelity and presence-- made you feel like you were in the same room as the person talking. To the=20 casual ear, it was just as good as FM-- though the syndicated=20 material's sound quality was never quite as good as the local stuff. And again, this is irrelevant of the programming quality-- I'm=20 strictly talking from a sound quality standpoint. =20=20 From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Nov 15 17:22:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95641 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2005 01:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2005 01:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2005 01:22:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:22:21 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.48 by BAY106-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:22:20 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:22:20 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2005 01:22:21.0058 (UTC) FILETIME=[31025E20:01C5EA4C] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: attn Juan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Juan, my msn email is having problems, I did email you, but not everyone is= receiving my emails. At any rate today's Stuart News has more info on Bob, you might want to che= ck the News online. Many people are lamenting that there will be a real void in radio and tv re= porting, now that he is gone. He will be missed by many. Donn=20 St Petersburg From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Wed Nov 16 21:39:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66497 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2005 05:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2005 05:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2005 05:39:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2005 05:36:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2005 05:36:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:36:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051116003522.93006.qmail@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.130.231.226 From: "Tom" Subject: Orban X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=eZbQeyjPPIIpdgfojlRyTB-_kYAcf_KHP22fAfbuldzs53KzXQJqef0K X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 When you talk to Mr. Orban, tell him I took good care of the vacuum=20 cleaner in 1984.=20=20 Tom=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 >=20 > --- Tom Ray wrote: >=20 >=20 > Not to worry. I'm talking to Bob Orban about that > phase reversal problem. >=20 >=20 > Powell From bccphotec@yahoo.com Thu Nov 17 13:42:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bccphotec@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62602 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2005 21:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2005 21:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2005 21:42:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2005 21:41:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2005 21:41:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:41:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.136.141.239 From: "bccphotec" Subject: CRL SEP 400A info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142011300; y=i07VT1d8k9YpC7DTbqB2XH4xLHJC0klfT17MN-bzPhYmMMxY X-Yahoo-Profile: bccphotec Howdy folks! I've been lurking here for a while, but now I need some help. I'm assisting someone with a 300W AM here in rural AZ. I need manuals, spec sheets, anything I can Find on a CRL Systems SEP-400A processor. I know there's better stuff out there, but as usual funds are limited. I'm keeping the bucks tight now for the possibility of swinging him to Cquam later, if the price is right. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Jim H. bccphotec@yahoo.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Nov 17 17:56:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62943 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2005 01:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2005 01:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2005 01:56:18 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.246]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 27759049 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:54:32 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c5ebe3$801fd300$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:57:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 29, in=46, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.246 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} chris cuff am cquam tx's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=k1drsU08utCLuwAsh7sxQfEzeSaYB2zSRJ30IDi1zmIrP31WEt-T X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Chris can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he's going to still make the 100mW version for awhile. Wish I had the $$ to buy those radio boards/chips/resonators he's selling. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > looks like he is getting out of the bussiness :( now I'm glad i bought one > of the 100mw models and some crystals :) > > here is link to auction.... > http://cgi.ebay.com/AM-Stereo-CQUAM-portable-transmitter-Last-Call_W0QQitemZ6578818338QQcategoryZ38034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Nov 17 18:24:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63023 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2005 02:24:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2005 02:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2005 02:24:29 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.246]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 27763561 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:23:36 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <009001c5ebe7$8f7e02a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:27:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 29, in=47, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.246 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CRL SEP 400A info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=AFAuF36F6GyWP_pYDMLCEDSO-swKtGW1NXZFQItITVfpCOudPRCh X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You might want to ask on one of the broadcasting lists such as Radio Tech at broadcast.net or the Broadcast forum at radiolists.net. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "bccphotec" > > Howdy folks! I've been lurking here for a while, but now I need some > help. I'm assisting someone with a 300W AM here in rural AZ. I need > manuals, spec sheets, anything I can Find on a CRL Systems SEP-400A > processor. I know there's better stuff out there, but as usual funds > are limited. I'm keeping the bucks tight now for the possibility of > swinging him to Cquam later, if the price is right. Any help would be > greatly appreciated! > Thanks, Jim H. From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Thu Nov 17 18:40:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67965 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2005 02:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2005 02:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2005 02:40:11 -0000 Received: from [69.3.213.192] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EcwAb-0000mT-TU for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:40:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <009001c5ebe7$8f7e02a0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <009001c5ebe7$8f7e02a0$d503fea9@stodd> Message-Id: <1154d945b9e9c9a737260259ef544d01@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:43:51 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-ELNK-Trace: 726593d8db6908e21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7997f07630010480120d571495d7c6f43a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Daniel Brown Subject: Re: {AMSF} CRL SEP 400A info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=FTXmYs5y2r5SoM1506jnf3qPE0wGed5S4k7d9BmcblQWgxnNHR-T3g X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You also might want to pose your question on this board: http://www.radio-info.com/mods/posts.php?Cat=3D&Board=3Dengineering A couple of the moderators are engineers and engineers from all over=20 the country read and participate in the discussions. db On Nov 17, 2005, at 6:27 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > You might want to ask on one of the broadcasting lists such as Radio=20 > Tech at > broadcast.net or the Broadcast forum at radiolists.net. > > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bccphotec" > > > > > > Howdy folks! I've been lurking here for a while, but now I need some > > help. I'm assisting someone with a 300W AM here in rural AZ. I need > > manuals, spec sheets, anything I can Find on a CRL Systems SEP-400A > > processor. I know there's better stuff out there, but as usual funds > > are limited. I'm keeping the bucks tight now for the possibility of > > swinging him to Cquam later, if the price is right. Any help would=20 > be > > greatly appreciated! > >=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thanks, Jim H. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo > High performance > Digital radio > > YAHOO! 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Term= s of=20 > Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Fri Nov 18 13:10:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93419 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2005 21:10:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2005 21:10:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.162.75) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2005 21:10:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:10:23 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.0.231.10 by BAY108-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:10:23 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: References: <003101c5ebe3$801fd300$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:10:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2005 21:10:23.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DAEE7E0:01C5EC84] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.162.75 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} chris cuff am cquam tx's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175092419; y=OrcLRUePBoU7_6vEv2xlXv0JPyFEaK3jpebS5-my7p2j X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yea i got a email from him after i posted that. he is still going to make the 100mw versions. I finally bought one of the high power ones and i like it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:57 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} chris cuff am cquam tx's Chris can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he's going to still make the 100mW version for awhile. Wish I had the $$ to buy those radio boards/chips/resonators he's selling. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > looks like he is getting out of the bussiness :( now I'm glad i bought one > of the 100mw models and some crystals :) > > here is link to auction.... > http://cgi.ebay.com/AM-Stereo-CQUAM-portable-transmitter-Last-Call_W0QQitemZ6578818338QQcategoryZ38034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Nov 18 15:28:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14480 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2005 23:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2005 23:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (66.193.185.18) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2005 23:28:05 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (mdm183-137.arc194.smfrct1.dasdial.com [66.6.183.137]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.425.4) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:32:34 -0500 X-Modus-ReverseDNS: OK X-Modus-BlackList: 66.6.183.137=OK;ccuff@in4web.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 66.6.183.137=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 66.6.183.137=NO Message-ID: <000701c5ec97$cc61b760$89b70642@4bmx301> To: References: <003101c5ebe3$801fd300$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:28:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 66.193.185.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} chris cuff am cquam tx's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=mnKz9xJ4AOolaPk3OYTI9d9wDOfJv2kXmQPlwxYxWO5X9l0Bui9Jb4Cp X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Oops- I better speak up here- There are no more 'lites available. I ended the auction with 3 left, and those 3 will be made into 100mw versions which I will make up when I get time. The biggest problem, why I had to pull the plug was the supplier of my boards has nearly doubled the cost. As I made these at nearly no profit as it was, the layout of money to have more boards made at a different company made the project unfeasable. Sure, they sell like hotcakes at $100, but my personal history of these showed that $100 was about the limit for the original version, and there was not enough interest in a higher power version to make up the cost difference. Just to make the 20mw version available again, I would have to make the new price about $140.00, and I do not think they would sell. I cannot afford to lay out a ton of money on speculation- Look what happened to the am-fm kit project- No interest- I can't even recover one fourth of my cash outlay. So- all that have one now, enjoy them- You have collectors items now! Best, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" To: Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 4:10 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} chris cuff am cquam tx's > yea i got a email from him after i posted that. he is still going to make the 100mw versions. I finally bought one of the high power ones and i like it. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 18 17:46:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86151 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2005 01:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2005 01:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2005 01:46:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2005 01:46:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2005 01:46:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:46:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c5ec97$cc61b760$89b70642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.244.247 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} chris cuff am cquam tx's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=QXwaTTEVpOWdxAQKfFVdluiUdLMQD-sAaLAXohnbbJtgI6ugdw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I still think a company like Ramsey or North Country Radio would be=20 able to make a good ROI (return on investment) by selling the "Alfredo Lite" transmitter in both kit and pre-assembled form. Even if you don't care for AM Stereo, the 100 mW version would beat=20 other AM Part 15 transmitter kits hands-down in performance, with its crystal-controlled stability and excellent audio bandwidth. And then there are companies like RangeMaster which are making a=20 fortune selling AM Part 15 transmitters for $1000 a pop. Yes, $1000=20 for a 100-milliwatt transmitter! These transmitters are mono with a=20 very narrow audio bandwidth, so for those wanting to broadcast music=20 on a Part 15 signal, a "hi-fi" AM Stereo version would be an ideal=20 choice. After all, as long as iBiquity keeps their code proprietary,=20 we are not going to see any Part 15 IBOC transmitters, so you might=20 as well make use of the best-quality analog AM possible! From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Fri Nov 18 18:09:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22076 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2005 02:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2005 02:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2005 02:09:41 -0000 Received: from [69.3.213.192] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EdIAU-0007pS-OF for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:09:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <372fbbbba6a543866f22f6f1f61e7d97@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:13:14 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-ELNK-Trace: 726593d8db6908e21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79c58ee6a9b2441641de0c72678b9437a2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Daniel Brown Subject: Re: {AMSF} chris cuff am cquam tx's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=aLk3I88wwrmSpdSOw0v_gcyu4u2BTBQF1_Y5QuqxEA9PjHgTiF7B3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Absolutely! I think Chris is short-changing what his transmitter is=20 worth. Even if the boards do cost more, I think he could safely pass=20 along the extra cost to end users and not harm his sales. AM enthusiasts and true (AMS) believers WILL pay the difference. db On Nov 18, 2005, at 5:46 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > I still think a company like Ramsey or North Country Radio would be > able to make a good ROI (return on investment) by selling the > "Alfredo Lite" transmitter in both kit and pre-assembled form. > Even if you don't care for AM Stereo, the 100 mW version would beat > other AM Part 15 transmitter kits hands-down in performance, with > its crystal-controlled stability and excellent audio bandwidth. > > And then there are companies like RangeMaster which are making a > fortune selling AM Part 15 transmitters for $1000 a pop.=C2=A0 Yes, $100= 0 > for a 100-milliwatt transmitter!=C2=A0 These transmitters are mono with = a > very narrow audio bandwidth, so for those wanting to broadcast music > on a Part 15 signal, a "hi-fi" AM Stereo version would be an ideal > choice.=C2=A0 After all, as long as iBiquity keeps their code proprietar= y, > we are not going to see any Part 15 IBOC transmitters, so you might > as well make use of the best-quality analog AM possible! > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo > High performance > Digital radio > > YAHOO! 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Term= s of=20 > Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Nov 19 08:01:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@mpcinternet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73188 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2005 16:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2005 16:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2005 16:01:53 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.246]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 28576208 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:01:50 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c5ed23$0b383b40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <003101c5ebe3$801fd300$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:05:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 30, in=24, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.246 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} chris cuff am cquam tx's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=hI3XCTqxLXCp4Q1kD1AsLaLbQ9o6QuJ1iefJF56ycxPhAaOPHvXE X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The older ones can be upgraded too. I think I'll have him do mine somewhere around Q2 next year. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > yea i got a email from him after i posted that. he is still going to make the 100mw versions. I finally bought one of the high power ones and i like it. From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Nov 19 08:05:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72983 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2005 16:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2005 16:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2005 16:05:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2005 16:04:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2005 16:04:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:04:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c5ec97$cc61b760$89b70642@4bmx301> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.47.24 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} chris cuff am cquam tx's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=It_j4IbSP8Pm2WVsVr8NsZ3uZ58mxucBjOLeBMkLaMg X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi to all=20 Well as I'm reading all this, I understand the way of thinking that=20 Chris went through. And I must say that he's right, based on=20 the "profit/cost+effort+stocking funds time" parameter. He has also=20 point out the AM reciever kit example that while he has put some cash=20 for stocking all these components for future sales he get nothing=20 from them even when he tries to sell them as a bulk!!!=20 Considering also that he is the only one known person making this=20 kits for a long time, we have to take seriously his statement of "NO=20 interest" for this kind of kits!!!=20 All these leading him to leave the project to "die"...=20 BUT!!!=20 Chris must also consider the "Last call" selling he has done for=20 Alfredo's Lite on Ebay last week!!! I think that selling 10 units "on=20 the fly" in less than a week... shows that THERE IS an interest=20 hidden behind the, lets call it, MARKETING - PROMOTION of the=20 project!!!=20 Chris has also to consider that some sales was OUT of US!!!=20 I'm aware of this, as I'm from GREECE (EU) and have started a low=20 power AM STEREO station here (yes it's an "illegal" one, with a power=20 of less than 300W at the moment). I have also made some kind=20 of "promotion" for this station and mostly for the AM STEREO!!! The=20 responses I have are incredible!!! Have seen other people that=20 are "radio station operators" here to ask me how they can do it on=20 STEREO!!! Also have locate more than 5 persons from Greece that are=20 trying to buy anything related to AMAX from Ebay!!! One has already=20 bought a Lite from the "Last call" bulk! I also know that at Italy=20 the Studio-X is still transmitting at Stereo C-QUAM (as I do now!)=20 and have heard him here at Athens 3 weeks ago after late midnight!=20 Maybe he could be also a possible "buyer" for some C-QUAM=20 recievers... But he must know where to find them first...=20 Another interesting question is: How the Meducci sales go??? If there=20 going well enough Chris must consider the reason his sales=20 doesn't!!!=20 My two cents oppinion is that people might be more interested on a=20 well made boxed AM Stereo reciever than a Kit-looking board!!!=20 All non engineer people I know don't care if a board works GREATER=20 than a well designed boxed thing that can be easily added on the=20 living room, without disturbing the WAF* paremeter!!!=20 * =3D WAF: Wife Acceptance Factor=20 I am my self an Electronics Engineer and I really don't care if the=20 outlook of something is a "Porche Design"!!! I mostly care if the=20 inside stuff is doing the job it was made for!!!=20 But NOT all the people are engineers ;)=20 I have ordered from US some hundreds MC130.. ICs to make an AM STEREO=20 desktop reciever for home use... That order was made a month ago... I=20 will make it look like Japs stuff, as far as I can, believing that=20 this is the ONLY way to sell at average people!=20 Now about the PCB cost...=20 Chris If you need a LOW!!! cost give me a PM... I can help on this, I=20 think...=20 Regards Sotiris Pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > > Oops- I better speak up here- There are no more 'lites available. I=20 ended > the auction with 3 left, and those 3 will be made into 100mw=20 versions which > I will make up when I get time. The biggest problem, why I had to=20 pull the > plug was the supplier of my boards has nearly doubled the cost. As=20 I made > these at nearly no profit as it was, the layout of money to have=20 more boards > made at a different company made the project unfeasable. Sure, they=20 sell > like hotcakes at $100, but my personal history of these showed that=20 $100 was > about the limit for the original version, and there was not enough=20 interest > in a higher power version to make up the cost difference. Just to=20 make the > 20mw version available again, I would have to make the new price=20 about > $140.00, and I do not think they would sell. I cannot afford to lay=20 out a > ton of money on speculation- Look what happened to the am-fm kit=20 project- No > interest- I can't even recover one fourth of my cash outlay. So-=20 all that > have one now, enjoy them- You have collectors items now! > Best, > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 4:10 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} chris cuff am cquam tx's >=20 >=20 > > yea i got a email from him after i posted that. he is still going=20 to make > the 100mw versions. I finally bought one of the high power ones and=20 i like > it. > From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Nov 19 15:35:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25960 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2005 23:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2005 23:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (66.193.185.18) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2005 23:35:17 -0000 Received: from 4bmx301 (mdm181-12.arc106.smfrct1.dasdial.com [66.6.181.12]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.425.4) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:39:53 -0500 X-Modus-ReverseDNS: OK X-Modus-BlackList: 66.6.181.12=OK;ccuff@in4web.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 66.6.181.12=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 66.6.181.12=NO Message-ID: <000701c5ed61$fb5b4340$0cb50642@4bmx301> To: References: Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:35:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 66.193.185.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} chris cuff am cquam tx's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=d-QtWICduuBlywhg6qE0NmIevJt7PmbQl2l58LNms2zILK9HU-6-Wmpb X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 What I am hoping (and Scott may buy them if they do not sell on ebay) is that if I do sell the radio parts I can have more boards made. I do sell many of these outside of the USA. I think Jeff had the best idea and that was making a dedicated AM Stereo tuner. I designed mine for FM as well, but everyone has FM already- it was probably not needed. The other problem was the front end IC in the kit radio- I have to buy a large quantity of them directly from a chip broker, and there is more money that I would have to tie up at a time I cannot afford it. Hopefully, I can find a way to keep making the transmitters- we will see. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sotiris" To: Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 11:04 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} chris cuff am cquam tx's > Hi to all > Well as I'm reading all this, I understand the way of thinking that > Chris went through. From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sat Nov 19 17:44:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35611 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2005 01:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2005 01:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2005 01:44:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2005 01:43:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2005 01:43:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 01:43:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.130.229.68 From: "Tom" Subject: Digital at 960 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=Kd_anLc_1Ta6UTuZfXNyQEQjAJGcLVSA5RYHRP9cLxAM6zl9UIqIfMcx X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I noticed the familiar "hash" sound on either side of KABL=20 (sorry....KQKE) 960 today. Anyone aware of them experimenting? Tom From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Nov 19 18:47:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58350 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2005 02:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2005 02:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2005 02:47:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2005 02:46:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2005 02:46:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 02:46:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.244.247 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Multi-System AM Stereo generator on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=w3P7gIbbx2e4fpmM6Evvxk0nUX1EVlJe-ThUEdMQ45XOlMH0mg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The starting bid price is a bit steep, but if you want a true=20 multi-system AM Stereo generator (C-Quam, Kahn, Harris, Magnavox) that's frequency-agile from 200 to 2000 kHz, here's your rare chance=20 to get one: http://cgi1.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D7564596587 This is the same model I have. The quality is excellent, and at full tilt its output power is about 100 mW, so it can be used as a Part 15(-esque) transmitter -- or even for doing QRP in AM Stereo on the 160-meter ham radio band! From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Nov 20 06:19:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34428 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2005 14:19:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2005 14:19:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2005 14:19:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2005 14:18:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2005 14:18:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:18:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.38.17 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Multi-System AM Stereo generator on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=F9UcxGbYtHGjwlycmxvI8HvrHexRzbZsup3lbWiUIC0 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Kevin=20 I have bought from this guy 3 generators and waiting to arrive here=20 now!=20 Have bought the a 8252, 8253 and a 8254 model. you got the 8253 one?=20 What's your opinion about it? Do you have a manual for it, as I'm=20 interested on a copy of it (or for any of these three models)?=20 Are you satisfied with this generator? Do you have any tips fro using=20 it as an exciter for driving power amplifiers? At present I'm using=20 an Alfredos Lite (upgraded to ~150mW Unmodulated Carrier) driving=20 some other stages to get ~300W cw.=20 Any comments on these Panasonic Generators are welcome...=20 What are the difference between 8252 and 8253 except the Modulation=20 meter (analog - digital)?=20 Regards=20 Sotiris Pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > > The starting bid price is a bit steep, but if you want a true=20 > multi-system AM Stereo generator (C-Quam, Kahn, Harris, Magnavox) > that's frequency-agile from 200 to 2000 kHz, here's your rare=20 chance=20 > to get one: >=20 > http://cgi1.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D7564596587 >=20 > This is the same model I have. The quality is excellent, and at > full tilt its output power is about 100 mW, so it can be used as a > Part 15(-esque) transmitter -- or even for doing QRP in AM Stereo > on the 160-meter ham radio band! > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 20 15:19:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44729 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2005 23:19:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2005 23:19:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2005 23:19:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2005 23:19:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2005 23:19:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2005 23:19:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:19:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.244.247 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Multi-System AM Stereo generator on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=ZbPAyMKLSIIqqz3aGsPp0PaCjtETNg8Ni0G6ToBltPkm-Np8Ag X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What are the difference between 8252 and 8253 except the Modulation=20 > meter (analog - digital)?=20 I don't have any experience with the 8252, but I do know that the=20 8253 is a multi-system generator, while the 8254 is C-Quam only. Here are some demos I made with my Panasonic VP-8235P AM Stereo=20 generator: As received on a C-Quam modulation monitor: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/demos/amstereo.mp3 As received on a Sony STR-AV470 receiver in Harris AM Stereo mode: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/demos/harris.mp3 As received on a RCA tuner with "Hi-Fi" AM mono: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/demos/rca-hifi.mp3 From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 20 17:02:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66111 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2005 01:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2005 01:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2005 01:02:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2005 01:02:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2005 01:02:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 01:02:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.142.228.191 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Multi-System AM Stereo generator on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=P7g0vIYPxJCi2GrgtaqXiCAsal2PA_O0qZGMjl4-RoXwR3eUqt5jTav2LpDzoGVm0-Kojeki X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > > > What are the difference between 8252 and 8253 except the=20 Modulation=20 > > meter (analog - digital)?=20 >=20 > I don't have any experience with the 8252, but I do know that the=20 > 8253 is a multi-system generator, while the 8254 is C-Quam only. >=20 > Here are some demos I made with my Panasonic VP-8235P AM Stereo=20 > generator: >=20 > As received on a C-Quam modulation monitor: > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/demos/amstereo.mp3 >=20 > As received on a Sony STR-AV470 receiver in Harris AM Stereo mode: > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/demos/harris.mp3 >=20 > As received on a RCA tuner with "Hi-Fi" AM mono: > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/demos/rca-hifi.mp3 > Hi Gang Well i do'nt understand Panasonic. Thay made those genartors=20 but thay did not make AM STEREO radios for here in the states. Jim=20 Smith From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 20 20:32:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50987 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2005 04:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2005 04:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2005 04:32:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2005 04:32:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2005 04:32:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 04:32:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.244.247 From: "Kevin T." Subject: My eBay catch X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=pmOvEZ2rLxOZZcwxbQBlSZEgeXvEPZIx2Bg1ZPfY7Scvb-f1gQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics If you'll allow me to gloat a little bit, here's what I just got on=20 eBay -- a Sony multi-system AM Stereo car radio with 20 watts per=20 channel and full-logic auto-reverse cassette: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D8014763073 From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Nov 21 10:07:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19271 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2005 18:07:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2005 18:07:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2005 18:07:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2005 18:07:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2005 18:07:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:07:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 194.219.66.178 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Multi-System AM Stereo generator on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=qmkguVKlHUxIz_iD3MDsBth6WdFN36ebYXqQ06QDNwU X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Jim=20 Well I think it has to do with the divisions of large companies...=20 A Panasonic Test & Measurement Division made these excellent=20 generators (among other high quality top bench instruments as the FM=20 Stereo Generator VP-7635P that I also have and I think its one of the=20 best I ever use!!!), without any connection or at a larger line of AM=20 stereo projects from other divisions, as is the Commercial Audio HI=20 Fi div.=20 That is alway the problem when a company gets larger and the=20 divisions of it are "lost" between internal communication...=20 Regards Sotiris Pdmtr=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith"=20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 > wrote: > > > > > What are the difference between 8252 and 8253 except the=20 > Modulation=20 > > > meter (analog - digital)?=20 > >=20 > > I don't have any experience with the 8252, but I do know that the=20 > > 8253 is a multi-system generator, while the 8254 is C-Quam only. > >=20 > > Here are some demos I made with my Panasonic VP-8235P AM Stereo=20 > > generator: > >=20 > > As received on a C-Quam modulation monitor: > > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/demos/amstereo.mp3 > >=20 > > As received on a Sony STR-AV470 receiver in Harris AM Stereo mode: > > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/demos/harris.mp3 > >=20 > > As received on a RCA tuner with "Hi-Fi" AM mono: > > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/demos/rca-hifi.mp3 > > >=20 >=20 > Hi Gang Well i do'nt understand Panasonic. Thay made those=20 genartors=20 > but thay did not make AM STEREO radios for here in the states.=20=20 Jim=20 > Smith > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 21 20:44:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60341 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 04:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 04:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.158) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 04:44:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 68971 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2005 04:42:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20051122044244.68969.qmail@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.155.122] by web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:42:43 PST Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:42:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1132619351.226.74197.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: AM Exciter on eBay? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=o8KwuYbXOaZCoWsZlVxcfKAc1tMxI2orH9x5Phd1ZtrmfdLxvIIKMvs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Who won the AM Stereo Exciter and Mod Monitor from AM900? __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Nov 21 21:31:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29657 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 05:31:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 05:31:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 05:31:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 05:31:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 05:31:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 05:31:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.244.247 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Multi-System AM Stereo generator on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=-NjnQLT3Wbg6bAIPyB_54vgmFKDjY_weikXifOLnxfy1Eu_FOw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Well I think it has to do with the divisions of large companies...=20 > A Panasonic Test & Measurement Division made these excellent=20 > generators (among other high quality top bench instruments as the > FM Stereo Generator VP-7635P that I also have and I think its one > of the best I ever use!!!), without any connection or at a larger > line of AM stereo projects from other divisions, as is the > Commercial Audio HI Fi div. At that time (~1984), most of Panasonic's home audio was under the=20 Technics brand, anyway. In fact I have a Technics sitting right on=20 my desk here which calls itself a "TV/FM/AM Stereo Receiver". It's=20 actually only Stereo on FM, though; its VHF-TV audio tuner is mono,=20 as is its AM tuner. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Nov 24 14:09:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7679 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2005 22:08:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2005 22:08:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.164) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2005 22:08:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 30642 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2005 22:08:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20051124220844.30640.qmail@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.155.122] by web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:08:44 PST Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:08:44 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Turkey Day in OZ ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=2cZ_DvfF6HEaHfwTMFsQl8w_Ll5YB_dl1gku9FuzwLVUd_zl_CAk_i0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio My fellow Americans, "Happy Thanksgiving". And Happy Thanksgiving (6 weeks late) to my friends in Canada as well. Ian, and our friends in Oz: do you have any type of a holiday to 'give thanks' or at least have a reason to have the day off and each a load of food with friends and family? PS: No stereo parade from WJR this year :( __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Thu Nov 24 14:50:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53323 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2005 22:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2005 22:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au) (150.229.7.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2005 22:50:57 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by act-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au with ESMTP; 25 Nov 2005 09:50:50 +1100 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,373,1125842400"; d="scan'208"; a="70557108:sNHT33193160" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:50:50 +1100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:50:50 +1100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Turkey Day in OZ ? Thread-Index: AcXxQ66sfOhda6s0QjKtGmKTgdSuawAAMKbw To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Nov 2005 22:50:50.0857 (UTC) FILETIME=[848B8590:01C5F149] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Turkey Day in OZ ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=YyGPm2g_cjFDdVRRsHCxOilS-NLuj-t2J1twMPoy-22j -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Electron Sent: Friday, 25 November 2005 9:09 AM Subject: {AMSF} Turkey Day in OZ ? > My fellow Americans, "Happy Thanksgiving".=20=20 > > Ian, and our friends in Oz: do you have any type of a holiday to 'give thanks' > or at least have a reason to have the day off and each a load of food with > friends and family? Yo Johnny No - we don't have any similar day here in Oz. It seems like a really nice idea. The biggest turkey we have here is our PM who simply blindly follows your King George. Our country like yours has never been more divided and less caring. Happy Thanksgiving to you all - and especially to David Hicks of Adelaide (who's been locked up and tortured without trial for over 4 years at Guantanamo Bay - May Rumsfeld choke on his turkey). Ian From badeditpro@charter.net Thu Nov 24 21:12:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13119 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 05:12:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2005 05:12:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf04.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.204) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2005 05:12:24 -0000 Received: from mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.150]) by mxsf04.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAP5CNci021272 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:12:23 -0500 Received: from 24-241-15-022.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) (24.241.15.22) by mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 25 Nov 2005 00:12:21 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,375,1125892800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1761848123:sNHT27362004" Message-ID: <008501c5f17e$d0966e20$160ff118@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "Collins, Joe" Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:12:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: !!! Virus/Worm Alert !!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=Prz7qJqLleWewOxqRjA_ABkmo5XScwkRehgL0l3yqGcXpDaI0ibJQqXV3a6N X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, I have been getting hammered in my Hotmail account for the last three days by all kinds of different e-mails from all kinds of addresses that have a zip file attached that contains some sort of virus or worm. The address, subject and text of the e-mails have been anything from a fake 'failed to deliver' message to some that are claiming to be from the CIA or FBI!... The attached zip file is always exactly 55.6 kb in size so it's obviously the same thing. I would advise everyone not to open ANY attachment from anyone they do not know. Just delete it from your machine as quickly as you can and make sure to get them out of your Deleted Items folder, too I'm just hoping to give you a heads up before you accidentally open one of these and get infected. There's no word from symantec.com on what this thing exactly is yet but I don't want you to have to find out the hard way. :) Joe Collins [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Nov 25 04:09:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28988 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 12:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2005 12:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2005 12:09:00 -0000 Received: from [4.247.121.33] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EfcNC-0003IX-HG for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:08:15 -0500 Message-ID: <380-220051152512819703@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.108.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:08:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc21e3351ade70648b57079d12b69b28de350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} !!! Virus/Worm Alert !!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=E6cOPB0mJfWI8BIZRRLmVlAkaDRCQHn_jOUPfR9FO76_lA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit According to a recent news article, this type of thing can be reported to the Internet Crime Complaint Center at the address link below. Dick W. http://www.ic3.gov/ > From: Joe Collins badeditpro@charter.net > Subject: {AMSF} !!! Virus/Worm Alert !!! > > Greetings, > > I have been getting hammered in my Hotmail account for the last three days by all kinds of different e-mails from all kinds of addresses that have a zip file attached that contains some sort of virus or worm. The address, subject and text of the e-mails have been anything from a fake 'failed to deliver' message to some that are claiming to be from the CIA or FBI!... The attached zip file is always exactly 55.6 kb in size so it's obviously the same thing. I would advise everyone not to open ANY attachment from anyone they do not know. Just delete it from your machine as quickly as you can and make sure to get them out of your Deleted Items folder, too > > I'm just hoping to give you a heads up before you accidentally open one of these and get infected. There's no word from symantec.com on what this thing exactly is yet but I don't want you to have to find out the hard way. > > :) > > Joe Collins > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Nov 25 11:05:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+MnNx+62+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41166 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 19:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2005 19:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2005 19:05:59 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.95]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 27450724 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:03:17 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c5f1f3$6b1c7060$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <008501c5f17e$d0966e20$160ff118@yourfd6nvjcer4> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:06:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.714000 Subject has many exclamations=0.7,Subject has lots of exclamation marks=1.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 7, in=10, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.95 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} !!! Virus/Worm Alert !!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=RF9993YjGJFQ0JMESvTyQqujZ-DQsBaJZ5CcJDMaudsVRKJMgRyp X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Been getting a lot of those at work, but we have an extremely good firewall and antivirus, so it's stripped off before I get it. None claiming to be from the FBI or CIA, though. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Collins" > I have been getting hammered in my Hotmail account for the last three days by all kinds of different e-mails from all kinds of addresses that have a zip file attached that contains some sort of virus or worm. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Nov 25 11:10:37 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From kya1260@lycos.com Mon Nov 28 15:02:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17354 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 23:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2005 23:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 23:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id AF71F1800538 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:00:58 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Nov 2005 23:00:58 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A86BD33872; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:00:58 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:00:58 -0800 Received: from [69.233.37.61] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:00:58 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051128230058.A86BD33872@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: {AMSF} HD Radio vignette X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=YOjmuztiAiBd602SdK2fO7d5OWAiNRuSyGNqpBgWNGAX39iYfA X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ From the Radio Business Report, Monday, 11/28/2005... FYI --jay "All I want for Christmas is an HD Radio receiver" If that's your wish, you'd better hope that Santa is a=20 devoted shopper.=20 While XM and Sirius are into heavy sales promotions this=20 holiday shopping season, HD Radio receivers are pretty=20 hard to find.=20 And if you want an HD Radio receiver with multicast=20 capability, your choices are really limited.=20 Production delays have made them virtually unavailable,=20 although we did find two places on the Internet taking=20 reservations for the Boston Acoustics Receptor Radio.=20 Several in-dash car HD Radio receivers are widely=20 available, but without multicasting.=20 Have you used Google's "Froogle" shopping site? It gave=20 us three possibilities when we searched for "HD Radio."=20 A similar search for "XM" receivers produced over=20 14,000 hits and a search for "Sirius" radios brought=20 over 11,000. --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Nov 28 15:17:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21265 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 23:17:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2005 23:17:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.241.30) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 23:17:06 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.6] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051128231707.JRXS25099.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@[192.168.0.6]> for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:17:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20051128230058.A86BD33872@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20051128230058.A86BD33872@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:17:04 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio vignette X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=cTGiLH_3MBSMlK3kvx6sQqOpiRzvFL-wu2Uuuk96iX6XTjH4EryURtE9uRvy X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Who's going to buy one that doesn't multicast? That would be the only reason to get one. On Nov 28, 2005, at 3:00 PM, Jay Arnold wrote: > From the Radio Business Report, Monday, 11/28/2005... > FYI > --jay > > "All I want for Christmas is an HD Radio receiver" > > If that's your wish, you'd better hope that Santa is a > devoted shopper. > > While XM and Sirius are into heavy sales promotions this > holiday shopping season, HD Radio receivers are pretty > hard to find. > > And if you want an HD Radio receiver with multicast > capability, your choices are really limited. > > Production delays have made them virtually unavailable, > although we did find two places on the Internet taking > reservations for the Boston Acoustics Receptor Radio. > > Several in-dash car HD Radio receivers are widely > available, but without multicasting. > > Have you used Google's "Froogle" shopping site? It gave > us three possibilities when we searched for "HD Radio." > A similar search for "XM" receivers produced over > 14,000 hits and a search for "Sirius" radios brought > over 11,000. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos > Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/ > default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kya1260@lycos.com Mon Nov 28 15:46:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56836 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 23:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2005 23:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 23:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 42766180022E for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:46:17 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Nov 2005 23:46:17 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1A192C615D; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:46:17 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:46:17 -0800 Received: from [69.233.37.61] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:46:17 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051128234617.1A192C615D@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio vignette X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=-0T-8qNEBQVQ0u9izwPMBk6-lo0AELSzqvlcgGrAYUAujEmc5w X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Regarding HD radios, "Richard Wagoner" asks: > Who's going to buy one that doesn't multicast? That would=20 > be the only reason to get one. My sentiments, exactly... :o) --jay, near the very lo-fi and hashy 960 (KQKE) in Oakland =20 > On Nov 28, 2005, at 3:00 PM, Jay Arnold wrote: >=20 > > From the Radio Business Report, Monday, 11/28/2005... > > FYI > > --jay > > > > "All I want for Christmas is an HD Radio receiver" > > > > If that's your wish, you'd better hope that Santa is a > > devoted shopper. > > > > While XM and Sirius are into heavy sales promotions this > > holiday shopping season, HD Radio receivers are pretty > > hard to find. > > > > And if you want an HD Radio receiver with multicast > > capability, your choices are really limited. > > > > Production delays have made them virtually unavailable, > > although we did find two places on the Internet taking > > reservations for the Boston Acoustics Receptor Radio. > > > > Several in-dash car HD Radio receivers are widely > > available, but without multicasting. > > > > Have you used Google's "Froogle" shopping site? It gave > > us three possibilities when we searched for "HD Radio." > > A similar search for "XM" receivers produced over > > 14,000 hits and a search for "Sirius" radios brought > > over 11,000. > > > > -- _______________________________________________ > > > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos=20 > > Yellow Pages > > > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/=20 > > default.asp?SRC=3Dlycos10 > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From w6yn@juno.com Mon Nov 28 16:25:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89773 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 00:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2005 00:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2005 00:25:33 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB2ZH8WATNLVVA for (sender ); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:24:52 -0800 (PDT) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LAXDKHTQ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:24:35 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:23:49 -0800 Message-ID: <20051128.162401.836.3.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-12,14-21 X-ContentStamp: 7:3:1433128504 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLHPkMsc4I/Z4zPfQkMDFfj4= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio vignette X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=H-g2j9r_2UzYNsHsn5lh4_TF9GoPxd3t1e6Ef2uUpA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Speaking of "lo-fi and hashy." On my latest trip (Saturday) to Los Angeles, I detected lo-fi and hashy transmissions on 600kHz KOGO (San Diego) 830kHz KMXE 1020kHz KTNQ 1070kHz KNX 1110kHz KDIS Don On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:46:17 -0800 "Jay Arnold" writes: > Regarding HD radios, "Richard Wagoner" asks: > > Who's going to buy one that doesn't multicast? That would > > be the only reason to get one. > > My sentiments, exactly... > :o) > --jay, > near the very lo-fi and hashy 960 (KQKE) in Oakland From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Nov 28 16:38:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82695 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 00:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2005 00:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.241.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2005 00:38:59 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.6] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051129003832.LJWM25099.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@[192.168.0.6]> for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:38:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20051128.162401.836.3.w6yn@juno.com> References: <20051128.162401.836.3.w6yn@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6A5AA41C-43BC-4724-9CBC-E449171592F0@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:38:29 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio vignette X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=4HwnjgoLNsffaBc_XDNq7LizwxlhZLgQj7lcdswwoTj5yBGc2qJ-vYTtLS8R X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner KOGO destroys 590, which could be picked up clearly until the HD started. Considering it's a San Diego station, I was surprised how strong the interference was from this far away. On Nov 28, 2005, at 4:23 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > On my latest trip (Saturday) to Los Angeles, I detected lo-fi and > hashy > transmissions on > > 600kHz KOGO (San Diego) From zebra@strangeanimals.net Mon Nov 28 17:48:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40816 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 01:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2005 01:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2005 01:48:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2005 01:46:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2005 01:46:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:46:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.181.46.4 From: "amradiozebra" Subject: HD Radio = SNAFU X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593; y=ubRgIPNSmzwOC2Dax3dcrC1xzvoeYdN9YykdbtWq_gXAC-ErYY7gTOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra It seems to me that the technology is going to be exactly as popular as AM = Stereo, or less so,=20 and for the same reasons: It's about the programmming, you [ deleted ] morons! *ahem* sorry about that.. it's like watching a slow motion, multi car pileup. From dav259@csiro.au Mon Nov 28 19:53:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79182 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 03:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2005 03:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au) (150.229.64.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2005 03:53:56 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au ([138.194.10.10]) by vic-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au with ESMTP; 29 Nov 2005 14:53:44 +1100 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,386,1125842400"; d="scan'208"; a="59813040:sNHT22232280" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAT3rgMx012550 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:53:43 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:53:42 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ian Davidson Subject: HD Radio in Oz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033; y=PfdzVEzhNUe6N5PpwR20BqizwkDaTetV16VsPDv7_jx1 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, amradiozebra wrote: > It's about the programmming, you [ deleted ] morons! I reckon we in Oz are fortunate - in some respects because we're so far behind. When Eureka DAB starts in the next couple of years existing stations (protected for 5 years) don't necessarily have to simulcast. They can start alternative programming on digital if they wish. It's supposed to be "complimentary" to analog radio as opposed to an eventual replacement ... like digital TV here. Racing station 3UZ (which broadcasts in AMS) has said that it will sometimes offer three alternative racing broadcasts instead of covering all major racing nationwide on one program. The current programming we have in Melbourne is pretty good - except several commercial FM stations sound like clones of each other. If anything radio programming in Oz is likely to get even better. Ian From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Nov 29 03:22:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43349 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 11:22:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2005 11:22:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (66.193.185.18) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2005 11:22:37 -0000 Received: from in4web.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.425.4) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:26:49 -0500 X-Modus-ReverseDNS: OK X-Modus-BlackList: 127.0.0.1=OK;ccuff@in4web.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 127.0.0.1=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 127.0.0.1=NO Message-ID: <5fbe892a78644ea791cc0c6d0e98070b.ccuff@in4web.com> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 1, 0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:26:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 66.193.185.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "" Subject: Radios being made X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=s5PnMpb2nWo_87OhtvuzjZk5gc7ASPVuxE-df1ZpfAltrW3gW3JexxZp X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have been working quietly behind the scenes on a radio project that I started a long time ago- Modifying the Sharper Image CT800 portable radio. I am now preparing to put a few on ebay and see what happens. A few of the hilites of the "new" radio are: AM Stereo (of course)(and yes, the factory Stereo light works in both AM and FM ) but there are now more features. I have added variable AM bandwidth, a 9Khz / 10Khz stepping switch, so the radio is world-wide usable (on batteries- I am not adding a 220 volt power transformer) And I have also added a line input jack so it can be used as a portable ipod/walkman amp. We will see what happens now! Also, The transmitters WILL continue to be made. I made the decision after a ton of email from ebay users that helped me to decide it was not time to sunset these- So in January, a new batch will be built. If this email makes just one person happy today, my goal was worthwhile. Chris From stodd@mpcinternet.net Tue Nov 29 04:17:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+MoMV+66+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68197 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 12:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2005 12:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2005 12:17:00 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.243]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 28447364 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:13:22 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c5f4de$d5c1eba0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <5fbe892a78644ea791cc0c6d0e98070b.ccuff@in4web.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:17:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 4, in=6, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.243 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radios being made X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=BZt0oLJbl-7km3Pox_0nkjl3-C44MpA9yENkB0YvgAIfQetgfUJ9 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Please let us know when they go on sale. Might not be able to afford one personally, what with some other projects in the works, but I could always pass along the word that some AM stereo radios are available. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > I have been working quietly behind the scenes on a radio project that I started a long time ago- Modifying the Sharper Image CT800 portable radio. I am now preparing to put a few on ebay and see what happens. A few of the hilites of the "new" radio are: AM Stereo (of course)(and yes, the factory Stereo light works in both AM and FM ) but there are now more features. I have added variable AM bandwidth, a 9Khz / 10Khz stepping switch, so the radio is world-wide usable (on batteries- I am not adding a 220 volt power transformer) And I have also added a line input jack so it can be used as a portable ipod/walkman amp. We will see what happens now! > Also, The transmitters WILL continue to be made. From bossmsx@gmail.com Tue Nov 29 05:08:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69578 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 13:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2005 13:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2005 13:08:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2005 13:08:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2005 13:08:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:08:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.75.227.85 From: "Anthony" Subject: WDIZ/590 Panama City, Florida returns to music X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=225799755; y=qjdkgKlGQop1T-A-hXUpGXY04TSl4rB0DE7nd-KdXlDXudSGTffF X-Yahoo-Profile: radiosanchez I have a report that WDIZ AM 590 in Panama City jettisoned its' Fox=20 Sports Radio format and is once again playing Standards as "The=20 Breeze". Does anyone around there know whether or not this was accompanied by a=20 return to AM Stereo?? From baansy@yahoo.com Tue Nov 29 05:33:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35955 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 13:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2005 13:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2005 13:33:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2005 13:32:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2005 13:32:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:32:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 202.173.128.90 From: "baansy" Subject: 1323 AM ADELAIDE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728; y=Nd7ZWc5OkN-jscI6LdiD8_hzvwY4TCLN6_0FhjZPTkVb X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy They have finally decided what to do with this frequency. It is now=20 called CRUISE 1323 AM . http://www.cruise1323.com.au/. It's an easy=20 listening radio station that is similar to 5AD just before it went to=20 FM. So people like my parents get back the easy listening radio=20 station that they have been missing for a few years. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 29 05:36:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85185 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 13:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2005 13:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2005 13:36:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 43196 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2005 13:36:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20051129133617.43194.qmail@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 05:36:17 PST Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 05:36:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1133223795.210.97183.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: HD Radio Detroit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=S3ze3ijBTw3VD3a1dSZ0h7VwSPg1RTLfNO-BRKUZTQRgXJUEeSkWPaY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Really, the only reason to have an HD radio in Detroit is for the FM multicasting - nobody cares about the crap on FM, and two of their three 50KW AM's don't have music anymore. I still don't understand why they don't put the WJR C-Quam hardware on their new Radio Disney station on 910AM ? WWJ 950 throws some serious digital noise onto 930AM. __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Nov 29 06:50:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23980 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 14:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2005 14:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.51.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2005 14:50:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:50:21 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:50:20 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <5fbe892a78644ea791cc0c6d0e98070b.ccuff@in4web.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:50:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2005 14:50:21.0168 (UTC) FILETIME=[38C6D700:01C5F4F4] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.51.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Radios being made X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851; y=VgiuXBbCa2jHqtT322HPIs1BPG_VB1e0Eb9l5PmH-lyLzODGIucu X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Count me in as a very happy person from this news. I plan to buy another xmitter when funds allow. Paul Crane, KC8YQQ Jackson, MI USA Part 15 transmitters on air 24/7: AM stereo 1250, FM stereo 88.3 ----Original Message Follows---- From: "" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Radios being made Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:26:49 -0500 I have been working quietly behind the scenes on a radio project that I started a long time ago- Modifying the Sharper Image CT800 portable radio. I am now preparing to put a few on ebay and see what happens. A few of the hilites of the "new" radio are: AM Stereo (of course)(and yes, the factory Stereo light works in both AM and FM ) but there are now more features. I have added variable AM bandwidth, a 9Khz / 10Khz stepping switch, so the radio is world-wide usable (on batteries- I am not adding a 220 volt power transformer) And I have also added a line input jack so it can be used as a portable ipod/walkman amp. We will see what happens now! Also, The transmitters WILL continue to be made. I made the decision after a ton of email from ebay users that helped me to decide it was not time to sunset these- So in January, a new batch will be built. If this email makes just one person happy today, my goal was worthwhile. Chris _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From kya1260@lycos.com Tue Nov 29 06:54:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66395 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 14:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2005 14:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2005 14:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id EDF211800593 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:53:04 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Nov 2005 14:53:04 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C94F6E5BF8; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:53:04 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:53:04 -0800 Received: from [67.124.95.242] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:53:04 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051129145304.C94F6E5BF8@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: {AMSF} HD Radio vignette, Act II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=kXTRKdHwPgSa67K_eQEoPiZaUPjQX51t9_5Kp1y418FVGWF7ig X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ From today's Radio Business Report, 11/29/2005... Note the publication's observation at the end, which succinctly reiterates amradiozebra's (and others and my) feelings about current radio programming... --jay December 6: A big H D radio announcement coming The press and radio trades received this email,=20 and iBiquity C E O Bob Struble confirms it's about=20 H D:=20 "On Tuesday, December 6th, radio will change=20 forever - - for the better. Join CEOs from the=20 world's leading radio companies as they jointly=20 announce the most significant innovation in more=20 than 50 years. Tuesday, December 6th at 8:00 a m=20 Waldorf-Astoria Hotel New York, NY."=20 Part of the H D Radio logo was found in the release=20 as well.=20 We asked Struble, will the consortium announce=20 the big H D multicast consortium details (9/6/05 R.B.R.=20 #174) that the big groups have been meeting about?=20 "I think there's been a ton of discussion amongst the=20 group heads on what it's going to take for the=20 industry to make H D Radio successful. And if the=20 announcement were along those lines, I think that=20 wouldn't be surprising...I do know that Clear Channel=20 and Infinity will be among the groups at that=20 announcement...We've been working very closely with=20 them and I think that anybody who has been following=20 the industry is going to be pretty pleased with=20 whatever announcement they make." R.B.R. observation: A carefully crafted effort among=20 as many broadcasters as possible offering a variety=20 of DIFFERENT and REFRESHING multicast H D formats=20 will not only drive people back to radio in many=20 markets but give them more reason to go out and buy=20 H D receivers. Without multicast channels, many=20 consumers just don't see the need to upgrade to H D.=20 You want to offer a better, FREE alternative to=20 satellite? Offer up some of the formats it has.=20 We also assume there will be an unveiling of a=20 spot campaign across the groups hyping H D=20 Radio (long overdue). --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From starship_2001@msn.com Tue Nov 29 07:31:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3229 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 15:31:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2005 15:31:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.95) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2005 15:31:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:30:58 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.11 by BAY106-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:30:57 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:30:56 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2005 15:30:58.0149 (UTC) FILETIME=[E554A150:01C5F4F9] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio vignette, Act II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=8uBVmuI8S1MLAONB2yxXDqEOnokoHMOLMrko4lif4-4uWKxF83ruvuvG-w X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Thats nice for FM (not that i promote HD) however alls it does is trashes AM as AM will not support multi- channels. Now back to my XM listening. -----Original Message----- From: Jay Arnold Sent: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:53:04 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Subject: {AMSF} HD Radio vignette, Act II From today's Radio Business Report, 11/29/2005... Note the publication's observation at the end, which succinctly reiterates amradiozebra's (and others and my) feelings about current radio programming... --jay December 6: A big H D radio announcement coming The press and radio trades received this email, and iBiquity C E O Bob Struble confirms it's about H D: "On Tuesday, December 6th, radio will change forever - - for the better. Join CEOs from the world's leading radio companies as they jointly announce the most significant innovation in more than 50 years. Tuesday, December 6th at 8:00 a m Waldorf-Astoria Hotel New York, NY." Part of the H D Radio logo was found in the release as well. We asked Struble, will the consortium announce the big H D multicast consortium details (9/6/05 R.B.R. #174) that the big groups have been meeting about? "I think there's been a ton of discussion amongst the group heads on what it's going to take for the industry to make H D Radio successful. And if the announcement were along those lines, I think that wouldn't be surprising...I do know that Clear Channel and Infinity will be among the groups at that announcement...We've been working very closely with them and I think that anybody who has been following the industry is going to be pretty pleased with whatever announcement they make." R.B.R. observation: A carefully crafted effort among as many broadcasters as possible offering a variety of DIFFERENT and REFRESHING multicast H D formats will not only drive people back to radio in many markets but give them more reason to go out and buy H D receivers. Without multicast channels, many consumers just don't see the need to upgrade to H D. You want to offer a better, FREE alternative to satellite? Offer up some of the formats it has. We also assume there will be an unveiling of a spot campaign across the groups hyping H D Radio (long overdue). -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Nov 29 13:22:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91505 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 21:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2005 21:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2005 21:22:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2005 21:22:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2005 21:22:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:22:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051129133617.43194.qmail@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.75.188 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: HD Radio Detroit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=DDM49bEpjM6b8HMfjdOy33YyB1mgeO7JIe-hNHoEE8d536pG X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > Really, the only reason to have an HD radio in Detroit is for the FM > multicasting - nobody cares about the crap on FM, and two of their=20 three 50KW > AM's don't have music anymore. I still don't understand why they=20 don't put the > WJR C-Quam hardware on their new Radio Disney station on 910AM ? > WWJ 950 throws some serious digital noise onto 930AM. Everyone seems to forget about what the multicasting is going to be=20 pushed for- Not multiple programs ala digital TV, but as paid=20 subscription services (SCA, anyone?), where services pay for the=20 alottment (just as with SCA), but with one notable technical=20 drawback: Unlike SCA, which only eats coverage power (though a=20 station is allowed to compensate), FM HD radio multicasting directly=20 eats into main audio sound quality, in the form of reduced bitrates. In other words, FM-IBOC multicasting is a worse option than carrying=20 analogue FM SCA services, for the engineer. It begins to look very=20 foolish. But then again, this whole indu8stry has been looking ridiculously=20 foolish the last few years, and they seriously think this is going to=20 help... Right. I can't believe there's so much bad engineering going on, here! (And I KNOW there are good engineers out there who know all these=20 pitfalls.) I hate corporate radio. (I'm not against _commercial_ radio, just CORPORATE radio.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Tue Nov 29 14:08:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39681 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 22:08:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2005 22:08:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au) (150.229.64.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2005 22:08:24 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au with ESMTP; 30 Nov 2005 09:08:18 +1100 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,389,1125842400"; d="scan'208"; a="59903812:sNHT29227236" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:08:16 +1100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:08:16 +1100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} 1323 AM ADELAIDE Thread-Index: AcX06YCnO6hkgNIVQSKzBkY68PJzXQAR4/hQ To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2005 22:08:17.0045 (UTC) FILETIME=[666B7C50:01C5F531] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} 1323 AM ADELAIDE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=cscHLXnLQAsabR_AP0U9o1mTQ_Oh99r1AEosuarCplRT -----Original Message----- From: baansy They have finally decided what to do with this frequency. It is now=20 called CRUISE 1323 AM . http://www.cruise1323.com.au/. It's an easy=20 listening radio station that is similar to 5AD just before it went to=20 FM. So people like my parents get back the easy listening radio=20 station that they have been missing for a few years. They began streaming a few days ago Baansy. I've yet to hear a dud track. Adelaide has needed a station like Cruise for a long time. From mspatoray@sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 29 17:12:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mspatoray@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67977 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2005 01:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2005 01:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81610.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.199.162) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2005 01:12:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 83193 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2005 01:12:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20051130011224.83191.qmail@web81610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.254.144.43] by web81610.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:12:24 PST Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:12:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004301c5f4de$d5c1eba0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.199.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Matthew Patoray Subject: What Improvements can be made to a GE SuperRadio II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178375692; y=CH5NBhGvo_DpZaXwgEv9th7Ao98uF-bZo1lvxPAMfimo-SE X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_patoray Hi all, I have a GE SuperRadio II that I picked up for 5 bucks at a fleamarket. I was wondering if there where any mods that could be done to this radio, really i would like to get more power and bass out of it, since when i turn it up past half it distorts. Also i have a Martantz SR-940 with miserable AM performance and was wondering if anyonw might have a service manual for this thing so i can get it working. Matt From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Nov 29 17:34:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9003 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2005 01:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2005 01:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31905.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2005 01:34:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 76816 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2005 01:34:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20051130013433.76814.qmail@web31905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [60.234.212.159] by web31905.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:34:33 PST Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:34:33 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1133307537.263.58281.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1740 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915; y=yOwK33T1zXxsTluDmle1gTQBlMSoWqzHAFM4Wk7sDMwpkcORPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have seen references to IBOC in N.Z and it was tried on 106.1 in Auckland and is used as an argument about 400khz spacing of stations on FM but this stage no AM mentioned yet!. DRM was tried on 657khz in Wellington last April too and could hear hash on 662 at the time. Michael There are 14 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 14. HD Radio in Oz From: Ian Davidson 5 Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 29 20:37:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44616 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2005 04:37:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2005 04:37:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2005 04:37:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 12908 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2005 04:37:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20051130043737.12906.qmail@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.155.122] by web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:37:37 PST Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:37:37 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1133307537.263.58281.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: RE: 1323 AM ADELAIDE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ze5EkRKi57n3ALGhfqbgwVRcOT3N97CHWblmG_A9s6R2TZa-RNvS49c X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Wow - great programming. 1323AM just has to start broadcasting in AM Stereo! Their internet feed is at a small mono 20K bps, but it's better than nothing at all. Nice music, sure wish we could get them in CQuam stereo AM. Question for my friends in Oz: how is it that local time in Adelaide is 1/2 hour off UTC minutes? It is 11:30PM EST local here in the eastern USA and it's 3PM local in Adelaide (15-1/2 hours ahead of us)? I know Newfoundland or PEI in NE Canada is 1/2 hour off plump, but Oz too? Nice station regardless! __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dav259@csiro.au Tue Nov 29 20:54:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29672 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2005 04:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2005 04:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au) (150.229.64.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2005 04:54:53 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au ([138.194.10.10]) by vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au with ESMTP; 30 Nov 2005 15:54:48 +1100 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,193,1131282000"; d="scan'208"; a="59949888:sNHT22931832" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAU4skMx011935 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:54:46 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:54:46 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: <20051130043737.12906.qmail@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: 1323 AM ADELAIDE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033; y=01VkLOlVArS6c5fQeQ13H4wl1myJuWzqjZcNwG3qMacb X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Johnny Electron wrote: > Question for my friends in Oz: how is it that local time in > Adelaide is 1/2 hour off UTC minutes? It is 11:30PM EST > local here in the eastern USA and it's 3PM local in Adelaide > (15-1/2 hours ahead of us)? I know Newfoundland or PEI in NE > Canada is 1/2 hour off plump, but Oz too? Yes Johnny - It's really stupid. Central Time (SA and NT) in Oz is half an hour behind Eastern Time. When the ABC broadcasts nationally late at night their listeners receive the program 30 minutes in delay - which makes it almost impossible for them to ring in for talkback segments. Brisbane (an our behind) gets the program live (seemingly an hour earlier their local time). It's all because they want their news on the hour - not on the half-hour. To make matters worse as Queensland doesn't have daylight savings Brisbane currently is half an hour behind Adelaide even though its 700 miles east! Central Time here should be abandoned. > Nice station regardless! Yes - it's great for Adelaide. They haven't had AM stereo there for about 10 years. Ian From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Nov 29 22:03:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41053 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2005 06:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2005 06:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2005 06:03:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2005 06:03:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2005 06:03:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2005 06:03:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 06:03:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.244.247 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Musicradio returns to 77 WABC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=IdqVbEsmndRruyp2gBt3TUMAdEZOHk5yFKa2WfeXWke5jfJZRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics At least on Saturday nights, that is: http://musicradio.computer.net/wwwboard/messages/273600.html And although I'm not holding my breath for it to happen, it would be=20 fantastic if they broadcast it in AM Stereo. At least back in 1997,=20 WABC could've transmitted in stereo, with two Motorola C-Quam=20 exciters, two C-Quam modulation monitors, and a total of three=20 Optimod 9100 audio processors in their equipment rack: http://hawkins.pair.com/wabcnow/wabcn15.jpg Unfortunately ever since I got my first AM Stereo receiver in March=20 1995, I have never heard WABC transmitting any kind of stereo signal=20 or pilot tone; just plain mono. From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Wed Nov 30 01:30:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65569 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2005 09:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2005 09:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp3.freeserve.com) (193.252.22.156) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2005 09:30:02 -0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3211.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8F7F1B800092 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:29:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk (user-6864.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk [81.79.154.208]) by mwinf3211.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3CD4DB80008C for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:29:40 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20051130092940249.3CD4DB80008C@mwinf3211.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:28:42 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1133307537.263.58281.m16@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1133307537.263.58281.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-Originating-IP: 193.252.22.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet Subject: Possible new AM Stereo processor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669; y=5eWF_eVHV8zTvH7mcBvS_W1Wr2gnKMAYOH4AZl-T-TsZ_rTXOdtSo8MB X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Scott at Broadcast Warehouse here in London is requesting feedback from AM broadcasters as to what features they would like to see in the next model of their DSP-X digital processor. Here's part of his post from the USA Community Radio board: First thing in the new year we are going to start beta testing some AM versions. We are not 100% yet on which of the DSP-X processor FM models to allow AM software. It will probably be the X and the Xtra but the mini is also a possibility as we could feed the AM signal from the composite output. Your comments on what you think the AM market wants is helpful. Expect betas for NAB time. The first release of the AM software will not have C-Quam but we will look into the issue and if its not to difficult we will implement a software update shortly afterwards. _____________________________________________________ Drop Scott a line via their site: http://www.broadcastwarehouse.com/ -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From starship_2001@msn.com Wed Nov 30 04:39:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19924 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2005 12:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2005 12:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2005 12:39:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 04:38:26 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.18 by BAY106-DAV21.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:38:25 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:38:25 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 12:38:26.0396 (UTC) FILETIME=[F59E39C0:01C5F5AA] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What Improvements can be made to a GE SuperRadio II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=EXFD0vd8pYWSGfsrofM9vYjXnLYDOqYJFAQqEvYrTJhcaeDWWnHb1QXLUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 That was a GOOD BUY. i paid $80 for one on ebay over a year ago !!!! Here you go for mods. http://mysite.verizon.net/vze20h45/radio/superadio/gesr_faq.html -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Patoray Sent: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:12:24 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} What Improvements can be made to a GE SuperRadio II Hi all, I have a GE SuperRadio II that I picked up for 5 bucks at a fleamarket. I was wondering if there where any mods that could be done to this radio, really i would like to get more power and bass out of it, since when i turn it up past half it distorts. Also i have a Martantz SR-940 with miserable AM performance and was wondering if anyonw might have a service manual for this thing so i can get it working. Matt Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From baansy@yahoo.com Wed Nov 30 05:55:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95513 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2005 13:55:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2005 13:55:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2005 13:55:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2005 13:53:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2005 13:53:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2005 13:53:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:53:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 202.173.128.90 From: "baansy" Subject: WORLD TIME ZONES X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728; y=Rmcuc_Imkm3mulDuCB4NLwTPRvywh-ti18DI3Qe6UJhi X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy Here's some interesting ones Lord Howe Island - UTC +10 Hrs 30 Min (During Daylight saving clocks=20 are wound forward 30 Min) Chatham Islands - UTC +12 Hrs 45 Min=20 Nepal - UTC +5 Hrs 45 Min Tonga - UTC +13 Hrs Kiribati(Line Islands) - UTC +14 Hrs =20 From rbrucecarter@yahoo.com Wed Nov 30 08:51:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rbrucecarter@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2777 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2005 16:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2005 16:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.232) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2005 16:51:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2005 16:51:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2005 16:51:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2005 16:51:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:51:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.94.94.105 From: "Bruce Carter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What Improvements can be made to a GE SuperRadio II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116052011; y=n_brpAGXu2kKD9uGSdGj3iN5cgTur8x3B3yUDDlVnd5sPeUYIskQ X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I find the GE SR FAQ to be a little outdated. I have done my own=20 tech page for the SR-2 at: http://www.geocities.com/rbrucecarter/sr2.htm The SR-2 is about as good as it will get, but I highly recommend re- tuning to cover the expanded band. I supply a graphical template=20 for the new dial. I also recommend the narrow ceramic filter=20 modification.=20=20 As far as more bass - that is usually a problem with the SR-3, not=20 the 2. You could always swap out DC blocking capacitors C40 and C41=20 for some larger value. I think they are located lower left on the=20 board. My overall tech site is at: http://www.geocities.com/rbrucecarter/sr.htm I am in the process of re-vamping them to add a lot more=20 information. I have also acquired an SR-1, so I will be able to add=20 complete technical information about exactly how it differs from the=20 2. Other things I hope to add are a fix for the stability problem=20 in recent SR-3's, and the information about their availability at C=20 Crane, Frys, and Radio Shack. Overall, the 3 is a vastly superior=20 design - but production problems have kept its potential from being=20 realized. But then - perhaps my "2" has always been defective and=20 therefore not as sensitive. My work on the "1" will solve that=20 riddle. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26"=20 wrote: > > That was a GOOD BUY. i paid $80 for one on ebay over a year=20 ago !!!! Here you go for mods. > http://mysite.verizon.net/vze20h45/radio/superadio/gesr_faq.html >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Patoray > Sent: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:12:24 -0800 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} What Improvements can be made to a GE SuperRadio II >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > I have a GE SuperRadio II that I picked up for 5 bucks > at a fleamarket. >=20 > I was wondering if there where any mods that could be > done to this radio, really i would like to get more > power and bass out of it, since when i turn it up past > half it distorts. >=20 > Also i have a Martantz SR-940 with miserable AM > performance and was wondering if anyonw might have a > service manual for this thing so i can get it working. >=20 > Matt >=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > Yahoo! Groups Links > From rbrucecarter@yahoo.com Wed Nov 30 08:54:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rbrucecarter@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41231 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2005 16:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2005 16:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2005 16:54:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2005 16:53:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2005 16:53:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:53:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.94.94.105 From: "Bruce Carter" Subject: Re: WORLD TIME ZONES X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116052011; y=6XugKKdyGVVfhFLurLZLpkbDr1t8MhfUri-C45YZ7zjUD-bQ5j76 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbrucecarter I found this link at Erin Sanders' fan club: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Nov 30 15:37:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64134 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2005 23:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2005 23:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2005 23:37:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2005 23:37:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2005 23:37:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:37:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.244.247 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: What Improvements can be made to a GE SuperRadio II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=Jrhu5ofEhBFKdf0Z_JfBQBN5eL_QtTALtpHUHh1-pfaw-75buQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > My overall tech site is at: >=20 > http://www.geocities.com/rbrucecarter/sr.htm Nice site, but "Superadio" is only spelled with one "r". I've seen=20 all sorts of spellings, from "Super Radio" to "SuperRadio" to=20 "Superradio", but GE spells it "Superadio", so I'll go by that. Anyway, aside from horrible dial calibration, my SR III is an=20 excellent radio, with incredible AM sensitivity even without any kind=20 of external antenna. One other minor gripe is that the "Wide band"=20 mode is actually *too* wide -- with a far greater IF bandwidth than=20 what is necessary to deliver full 10+ kHz audio -- but even Normal=20 bandwidth mode offers crisp hi-fi AM audio, so it's no big deal. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Nov 30 15:38:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93327 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2005 23:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2005 23:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.94) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2005 23:38:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 85451 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2005 23:38:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20051130233834.85449.qmail@web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [60.234.212.159] by web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:38:34 PST Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:38:34 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1133386643.487.19181.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1741 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915; y=2OwaaAzGuxYKeO725JAFa_Yi0EZQHPJP4zDvkfkopQoSsSJt5w X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will have to try it at night.Although we have a local..(Radio Sport 1332 which is talk so easier to null on 1332kHz) and nothing currently uses 1323kHz(used to be licenced to Christchurch) I may have a chance as I have got 5AN on 891 here before. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: Message: 3 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:37:37 -0800 (PST) From: "John P." Subject: RE: 1323 AM ADELAIDE Wow - great programming. 1323AM just has to start broadcasting in AM Stereo! Their internet feed is at a small mono 20K bps, but it's better than nothing at all. Nice music, sure wish we could get them in CQuam stereo AM. Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Nov 30 17:33:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39925 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2005 01:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2005 01:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2005 01:33:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2005 01:31:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2005 01:31:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 01:31:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.65.162 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: What Improvements can be made to a GE SuperRadio II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=SwXbKmBxQGe87iehGMHTsJUyO-qXdaZmny1_F8JAquHmPbNv X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > Anyway, aside from horrible dial calibration, my SR III is an=20 > excellent radio, with incredible AM sensitivity even without any kind=20 > of external antenna. One other minor gripe is that the "Wide band"=20 > mode is actually *too* wide -- with a far greater IF bandwidth than=20 > what is necessary to deliver full 10+ kHz audio -- but even Normal=20 > bandwidth mode offers crisp hi-fi AM audio, so it's no big deal. Sounds just like my 'A100, although the sync detector's selectivity=20 actually makes it worthwhile. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Wed Nov 30 17:50:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71223 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2005 01:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2005 01:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2005 01:50:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2005 01:50:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2005 01:50:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2005 01:50:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 01:50:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5fbe892a78644ea791cc0c6d0e98070b.ccuff@in4web.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Radios being made X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=nNJGSv4tcQ74-nq48kq65tzLmCwHLpBbs5CQ0MYmsPcLbEz-yNps X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 This is good news indeed, Chris. How do aluminum-cone speakers sound? What is the low bass response? What is the overall AM bandwidth frequency response? Where do you connect the left and right outputs of your AM stereo=20 decoder? What is the battery life in hours? How bright are the power LED and stereo LED? How is the FM performance? Does it have a stereo/mono switch? When do you plan to list them on eBay? I heard that is made in China by Kchibo and uses a TA8132 front end=20 chip.=20=20 73, Jeff You write: >I have been working quietly behind the scenes on a radio project=20 >that I started a long time ago- Modifying the Sharper Image CT800=20 >portable radio. I am now preparing to put a few on ebay and see=20 >what happens. A few of the hilites of the "new" radio are: AM=20 >Stereo (of course)(and yes, the factory Stereo light works in both >AM and FM ) but there are now more features. I have added variable >AM bandwidth, a 9Khz / 10Khz stepping switch, so the radio is=20 >world-wide usable (on batteries- I am not adding a 220 volt power >transformer) And I have also added a line input jack so it can be >used as a portable ipod/walkman amp. We will see what happens now! From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Nov 30 18:22:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28578 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2005 02:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2005 02:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2005 02:22:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:21:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.43 by BAY106-DAV20.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 02:21:24 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 02:21:24 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2005 02:21:25.0639 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDF0C170:01C5F61D] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1323 AM ADELAIDE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Just listened online to Cruise 1323 and any station that plays the haunting= ly beautiful "You Don't Have to Say You Love Me" by the late Dusty Springfi= eld, has my vote! They don't seem to be in stereo online, are they am-stereo over the air? Still a great music station on the AM band, regardless. We had a similar good music station here on the AM band until a few months = ago; WGUL; now it's joined the ranks of many am stations of being satellite= talk; another live and local bit the dust. _______________________ Cruise 1323 is Adelaide's home of timeless artists such as the... Bee Gees, Frank Sinatra, Tom Jones, Dean Martin, Elvis Presley, Dionne Warw= ick Michael Buble, Roy Orbison, Ray Charles, Dusty Springfield, Neil Diamon= d and George Benson. __________________________ Donn, St Petersburg -----Original Message----- From: baansy Sent: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 05:32:37 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} 1323 AM ADELAIDE They have finally decided what to do with this frequency. It is now=20 called CRUISE 1323 AM . http://www.cruise1323.com.au/. It's an easy=20 listening radio station that is similar to 5AD just before it went to=20 FM. So people like my parents get back the easy listening radio=20 station that they have been missing for a few years. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 01 02:22:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97257 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2005 10:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2005 10:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2005 10:22:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2005 10:20:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2005 10:20:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:20:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.142.225.212 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Musicradio returns to 77 WABC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=Q9BzFc2vWShV5PzIAqAyQTzux-HSglu9B9ixygaY8Ji-RCnZetIVrL48FdXDGJs8yuhnzCK0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > > At least on Saturday nights, that is: >=20 > http://musicradio.computer.net/wwwboard/messages/273600.html >=20 > And although I'm not holding my breath for it to happen, it would=20 be=20 > fantastic if they broadcast it in AM Stereo. At least back in=20 1997,=20 > WABC could've transmitted in stereo, with two Motorola C-Quam=20 > exciters, two C-Quam modulation monitors, and a total of three=20 > Optimod 9100 audio processors in their equipment rack: >=20 > http://hawkins.pair.com/wabcnow/wabcn15.jpg >=20 > Unfortunately ever since I got my first AM Stereo receiver in March=20 > 1995, I have never heard WABC transmitting any kind of stereo=20 signal=20 > or pilot tone; just plain mono. > Hi Gang Its to bad that music has become a novelty on AM radio insted=20 of a every day thing. Jim Smith From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Dec 01 05:15:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88523 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2005 13:15:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2005 13:15:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2005 13:15:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2005 13:08:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2005 13:08:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:08:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.6.141.25 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Re: Radios being made X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=mna6UzAHp3z6SrvotzEzYU_lX2kxzmMQHke_-Kaf2OTi_4fCwF5zodSC X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Jeff, these radios sound very good, especially considering there are=20 no other small self contained stereo radios out there. The front end=20 IC is a TA8127. What I love about these radios is that everything on=20 the boards is labled with what it is: The diode array off the=20 microprocessor is printed with each option function. The audio board=20 connectors are also well labled to signals and voltages. For the rest=20 of the stuff, freq response, etc, that will have to wait for a few=20 days. I just got 5 of these in for doing up, and will list the first=20 one "probably" Friday or Saturday. cc --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001"=20 wrote: > > This is good news indeed, Chris. >=20 From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Dec 01 07:52:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24186 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2005 15:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2005 15:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2005 15:52:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:52:53 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.41 by BAY106-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:52:52 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:52:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2005 15:52:53.0145 (UTC) FILETIME=[49F49890:01C5F68F] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio Detroit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Here, in the St Petersburg/Tampa market, the NPR station WUSF has been anno= uncing the last two days, that they are streaming their multicasts, since i= t's virtually impossible to buy an HD radio in this area. WUSF 89.7 was either the first or one of the first fm stations in the USF t= o go to HD, of course on analogue, there's no improvement in the sound qual= ity (which I thought was excellent to begin with), but there is the slight = hash at 89.5 and in seek and scan mode, my car radio will always stop at 89= .5 instead of 89.7. http://www.wusf.org Donn St Petersburg, now listening to Bob Edwards on XM's Public Radio -----Original Message----- From: John P. Sent: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 05:36:17 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} HD Radio Detroit Really, the only reason to have an HD radio in Detroit is for the FM multicasting - nobody cares about the crap on FM, and two of their three 50= KW AM's don't have music anymore. I still don't understand why they don't put= the WJR C-Quam hardware on their new Radio Disney station on 910AM ? WWJ 950 throws some serious digital noise onto 930AM. =09=09 __________________________________=20 Yahoo! Music Unlimited=20 Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.=20 http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Dec 01 11:24:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49980 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2005 19:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2005 19:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2005 19:24:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2005 19:21:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2005 19:21:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:21:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.24.230 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Musicradio returns to 77 WABC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=X7DeDhGYrRgZaK2O9ZZoygiEb1-tInWvFEvhUARotrEaC3lO X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 wrote: > Hi Gang Its to bad that music has become a novelty on AM radio insted=20 > of a every day thing. Jim Smith > Depends on what you're looking for. With the exception of the hispanic=20 stations, there's still a couple soft-pop/easy listening stations (ONE=20 in stereo, a Canadian), a few Radio Disneys (two are pilot only, none=20 are stereo), perhaps a half-dozen country stations (ONE in stereo- a=20 Canadian- and the clearest of any stereo signal I get), and even found=20 a couple "mixed bag" stations (one was playing reggae at the time).=20 This is all heard from the coastal redwoods, mind you. (And if you like=20 ethnic music, aside from the hispanics again, which most are music-=20 none stereo- there are a couple hindi/punjabi stations, one of which=20 cdomes in pretty good from Santa Cruz.) Jim, I know you remember the good old days of KRAK- So do I- so why not=20 give 1060 CKMX a try at nights. :) You'd get probably just as good a=20 signal as I do., since we're not that far apart. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (To think, the only decent C-QUAM signals to be had on the central US=20 Pacific coast happen to be Canadian- 600 Vancouver and 1060 Calgary.) From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 01 15:01:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14341 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2005 23:01:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2005 23:01:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2005 23:01:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2005 23:01:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2005 23:01:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:01:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.142.227.42 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Musicradio returns to 77 WABC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=CgB259z008jsAqHG3ddSesvS2fieN4w8NMMiv58e7htf3f9zFe-fh3ANO_29voXCNfoEiF5D X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith"=20 =20 > wrote: >=20 > > Hi Gang Its to bad that music has become a novelty on AM radio=20 insted=20 > > of a every day thing. Jim Smith > > >=20 > Depends on what you're looking for. With the exception of the=20 hispanic=20 > stations, there's still a couple soft-pop/easy listening stations=20 (ONE=20 > in stereo, a Canadian), a few Radio Disneys (two are pilot only,=20 none=20 > are stereo), perhaps a half-dozen country stations (ONE in stereo-=20 a=20 > Canadian- and the clearest of any stereo signal I get), and even=20 found=20 > a couple "mixed bag" stations (one was playing reggae at the time).=20 > This is all heard from the coastal redwoods, mind you. (And if you=20 like=20 > ethnic music, aside from the hispanics again, which most are music-=20 > none stereo- there are a couple hindi/punjabi stations, one of=20 which=20 > cdomes in pretty good from Santa Cruz.) >=20 > Jim, I know you remember the good old days of KRAK- So do I- so why=20 not=20 > give 1060 CKMX a try at nights. :) You'd get probably just as good=20 a=20 > signal as I do., since we're not that far apart. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (To think, the only decent C-QUAM signals to be had on the central=20 US=20 > Pacific coast happen to be Canadian- 600 Vancouver and 1060=20 Calgary.) > Hi Amy I do'nt get any of thoughs and the only country station i=20 can get is KJUG AM station 1270 if the buzz 1270 Navada dose not=20 barry them. My two day time music stations is KAHI AM 950 Auburn=20 Ca and KUBA AM 1600 Yuba City Ca bothe oldies. I still can get=20 KCBC AM STEREO 770 Riverbank Ca and air head KCTC AM STEREO 1320 what=20 a waste of signal. The only Candian staion can get in the fall is=20 1010. Jim Smith From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Dec 02 03:24:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74180 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2005 11:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2005 11:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.91) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2005 11:24:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 03:23:28 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.15 by BAY106-DAV19.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 11:23:27 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 11:23:27 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2005 11:23:28.0452 (UTC) FILETIME=[D175F040:01C5F732] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: AM antenna plug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=KjGtTJXWTgwGvQxDOLEZHraJE3v-qYsnzF8PZ0PRf5hpDVBsf60U0tkUkA X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I bought a JVC mini shelf system for bedside XM listening. I stupidly threw the AM loop antenna away with the box it came in . The end of the antenna wire plugged into the back of the system into what looks like a mini AC cord socket that plugs into radios ,shavers ETC. I can order the loop from JVC but was hoping i could rig up a connector to plug in and rig a wire for a makeshift antenna so i can listen to 770 WABC sat night. Question is where could i get an oddball plug like his ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Dec 02 08:58:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34802 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2005 16:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2005 16:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2005 16:58:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2005 16:56:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2005 16:56:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:56:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 194.219.66.178 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Sencore SG80 AM Stereo? Fm Stereo Analyzer at Ebay!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=LLVgaFdbWwU4RhqueyBn28WAr4fHTQDvqy5zCBZHgNU X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi to all=20 I have found a Sencore SG80 AM Stereo???! Fm Stereo Analyzer that is up=20 for sale at Ebay. Have contact the seller but he is not selling it=20 outside US so I cannot buy it as I'm from Greece...=20 So if anyone is interested on it go here:=20 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D7568619786=20 regards=20 Sotiris From tomray@wor710.com Fri Dec 02 09:24:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45153 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2005 17:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2005 17:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2005 17:24:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2005 17:24:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2005 17:24:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:24:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: AM antenna plug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=NETLyiQK6899XppJrgJTvE8YzNbxeCTVdO5Us6lPGJFiwgU3 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26" wrote: > > I bought a JVC mini shelf system for bedside XM listening. I stupidly threw the AM loop antenna away with the box it came in . The end of the antenna wire plugged into the back of the system into what looks like a mini AC cord socket that plugs into radios ,shavers ETC. I can order the loop from JVC but was hoping i could rig up a connector to plug in and rig a wire for a makeshift antenna so i can listen to 770 WABC sat night. Question is where could i get an oddball plug like his ?=20=20 Why not grab some wire....maybe something like cheapie Radio Shack hook up wire....wind about 5-10 turns into a 3-4" diameter coil....tape it at various points along the circumference so it doesn't come apart....and just slip the wires (stripped, of course) into the connector. It should make contact. See if that works in a pinch. Tom Ray WOR From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Dec 02 15:19:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+a/7N+69+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22040 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2005 23:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2005 23:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2005 23:19:39 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.218.241]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 32140877 for ; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:14:13 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c5f796$a8130120$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:17:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.218.241 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Musicradio returns to 77 WABC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=lbZarxsx6EzI-LByVguLE_qhcRA7tHCpq4E6Zd82ZCUUm3-StMJ- X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I seriously doubt it. ABC is pushing for the IBOCalypse almost as hard as CC and Infinity. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Musicradio returns to 77 WABC! > At least on Saturday nights, that is: > > http://musicradio.computer.net/wwwboard/messages/273600.html > > And although I'm not holding my breath for it to happen, it would be > fantastic if they broadcast it in AM Stereo. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Dec 02 15:19:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+a/7N+69+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55368 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2005 23:19:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2005 23:19:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2005 23:19:46 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.218.241]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 32140553 for ; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:12:26 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c5f796$63751620$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:15:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.218.241 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Musicradio returns to 77 WABC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Ix3o6K0XhYOmjhwDmiuw4-q0CXqLO-7E9friPmYtEeCtKV3JecQk X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On AM?? Ever notice how many FMs are going talk? We've got a chick-talk station that's kept the stereo on; Minn. Public Radio's news and info service which is stereo only during the Sunday mid-day Prairie Home Companion rerun; another that dropped stereo for a mix of talk and mostly paid religious programming and what little music they do play has no stereo. Now we'll lose our smooth jazz station 1/1 as they yank Limbaugh and Hannity from their longtime homes at KSTP. But it's a CC station, and they pretty much own those programs anyway. Since it'll mostly be syndicated stuff they'll probably shut off the stereo there too. There was a thread on Barry's Broadcast list on how rock is slipping away from the FM dial too. Country isn't as popular as it used to be, at least in the metro areas. Seems like music radio in general is slipping away. The growth formats in the music realm are various flavors of Spanish, as well as hip-hop (if you can call it music- I sure don't.) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim smith" > Hi Gang Its to bad that music has become a novelty on AM radio insted > of a every day thing. Jim Smith From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Dec 02 15:51:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61814 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2005 23:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2005 23:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2005 23:51:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 87455 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2005 23:50:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20051202235054.87453.qmail@web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [60.234.212.159] by web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:50:54 PST Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:50:54 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1133565344.144.93859.m16@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1743 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915; y=57PwiBEay5fy3UkPq7G5OdVFQQjqaaoGj5ZD72RqcmFnVejF2g X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its awful when they dont sell out of their country especially if it goes for less than the same item shipped out How much am stereo in Greece or the countries in Europe? Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: There are 3 messages in this issue. Message: 2 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:56:21 -0000 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Sencore SG80 AM Stereo? Fm Stereo Analyzer at Ebay!!! Hi to all I have found a Sencore SG80 AM Stereo???! Fm Stereo Analyzer that is up for sale at Ebay. Have contact the seller but he is not selling it outside US so I cannot buy it as I'm from Greece... So if anyone is interested on it go here: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7568619786 regards Sotiris Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 02 16:55:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45569 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2005 00:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2005 00:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2005 00:55:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2005 00:54:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2005 00:54:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 00:54:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051202235054.87453.qmail@web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.20.182 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1743 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=CJcRxQJXqV2eoSl7_KF5q06lIF-RWHFBOLEiXTyVdC776Uy4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross=20 wrote: > How much am stereo in Greece or the countries in Europe? To my knowledge, there are one, maybe two pirates in Greece, and one=20 legit broadcaster each in Italy (Radio Studio X) and France (France=20 Bleue). The pirate in Waterford, Ireland is gone, sadly. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 02 16:56:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91880 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2005 00:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2005 00:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2005 00:56:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2005 00:55:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2005 00:55:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 00:55:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005901c5f796$a8130120$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.20.182 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Musicradio returns to 77 WABC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=TeXQZ_GbNDUtX8GQ7LPUp4XOcdln1jOUb-ZScQEXKE3P-VwW X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > I seriously doubt it. ABC is pushing for the IBOCalypse almost as=20 hard as > CC and Infinity. And to sell off 79 of the ABC stations. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomray@wor710.com Fri Dec 02 17:32:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84593 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2005 01:32:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2005 01:32:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2005 01:32:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2005 01:31:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2005 01:31:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:31:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Musicradio returns to 77 WABC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=UYT5rw0c1lyrY6Bd9ebQ-a-GzCaDE0X1_kSV8seXs26qxK-e X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > > > I seriously doubt it. ABC is pushing for the IBOCalypse almost as=20 > hard as > > CC and Infinity. >=20 > And to sell off 79 of the ABC stations. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ And the fact that, last time I was at their transmitter site, there was no C-Quam equipment anywhere on the premesis. Tom Ray WOR From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Dec 02 19:41:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22981 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2005 03:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2005 03:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2005 03:41:52 -0000 Received: from [4.247.124.231] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EiOGs-0001ca-VJ for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 22:41:11 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22005126334114671@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.108.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:41:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcd9e3f827af8f7a4e0c8066d1f2c3f659350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Musicradio returns to 77 WABC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=-hibJR0TKm5uSVi5a6si82WQ754vziSmVDanwsKAqJRXag Outside of the radio groups like this one, I have never heard anyone - friend or stranger - ever mention IBOC. Even worse than in the case of C-Quam, I don't think there's a living non-technical person in the U.S. who's ever heard of it or is aware of how it may or may not impact them. To the general public, it's a non-entity. That's not saying that it's good or bad, but just that it has zero recognition. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Tom Ray > To: > Date: 12/2/2005 8:32:41 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Musicradio returns to 77 WABC! > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > > > > > I seriously doubt it. ABC is pushing for the IBOCalypse almost as > > hard as > > > CC and Infinity. > > > > And to sell off 79 of the ABC stations. > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > And the fact that, last time I was at their transmitter site, there > was no C-Quam equipment anywhere on the premesis. > > Tom Ray > WOR > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 03 02:28:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60653 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2005 10:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2005 10:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2005 10:28:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2005 10:28:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2005 10:28:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:28:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.224.20 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Musicradio returns to 77 WABC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=bA4HyUuTieNoJFydJsJM2GhQ9d4HesRqvEZWrU7-781swTndQw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > And the fact that, last time I was at their transmitter site, there > was no C-Quam equipment anywhere on the premesis. No IBOC equipment anywhere on the premesis, either -- making a=20 night-and-day difference in audio quality between WOR and WABC. Here's how both sounded on my Denon TU-680NAB last December 25th: http://www.geocities.com/kevintekel/amstereo/wor-wabc.mp3 The comparison becomes even more distinct when you put those two=20 50,000-watt stations against the 1000-watt C-Quam AM Stereo signal of 1450 WCTC: http://www.geocities.com/kevintekel/amstereo/wctcx04a.mp3 http://www.geocities.com/kevintekel/amstereo/wctcx04b.mp3 http://www.geocities.com/kevintekel/amstereo/wctcx04c.mp3 What those audio clips don't really demonstrate is just how loud and=20 clear WCTC's audio is, without sounding too squashed or distorted.=20=20 They are louder on the dial than many other stations known to be=20 using Optimod 9100 and 9200 processors. I have a hunch WCTC might be=20 using a Cutting Edge Unity 2000 (digitally-controlled analog C-Quam=20 matrix processor; predecessor to the Omnia series). From teddy_ekstrom@hotmail.com Sat Dec 03 05:56:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: teddy_ekstrom@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3066 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2005 13:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2005 13:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2005 13:56:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2005 13:54:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2005 13:54:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 13:54:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 217.209.11.104 From: "ponken28" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1743 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197238487; y=Rc-E6_7BOusgYcv8fyk5PQs1_ORbkHyeEiRzHcsUfdaFE3s X-Yahoo-Profile: ponken28 Hi! As far as I know, there will be another legit station using C-QUAM in=20 Milano, Italy. It=B4s called "Miniradio" and they are about to end their=20 test-transmissions in the begining of next year. Their regular=20 transmissions will be on 1593 kHz with a power of 5kW. See their site: www.miniradio.it From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 03 09:28:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98244 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2005 17:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2005 17:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2005 17:28:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2005 17:28:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2005 17:28:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:28:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.224.20 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1743 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=tWR6CXD1uLBDlECAferS_Aw9cwUmMM4BOPuJbSYLB2MXGEbZJg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > As far as I know, there will be another legit station using C-QUAM > in Milano, Italy. It=B4s called "Miniradio" and they are about to end > their test-transmissions in the begining of next year. Their > regular transmissions will be on 1593 kHz with a power of 5kW. > See their site: www.miniradio.it That's a neat site! Check out the "MW Map" feature: http://www.miniradio.it/MwMap.htm It works for Longwave frequencies, too. It's based upon this site,=20 which gives you more control over how the maps are generated: http://www.mwmap.de/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 03 10:36:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41357 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2005 18:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2005 18:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2005 18:36:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2005 18:36:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2005 18:36:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:36:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.34.81 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1743 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=-Jkph7F9kcf7XDoca-wCtU1NancbGmjMOfrZVOHVUHJ0IYGE X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "ponken28" =20 wrote: > > Hi! >=20 > As far as I know, there will be another legit station using C-QUAM in=20 > Milano, Italy. It=B4s called "Miniradio" and they are about to end=20 their=20 > test-transmissions in the begining of next year. Their regular=20 > transmissions will be on 1593 kHz with a power of 5kW. > See their site: www.miniradio.it That's great to hear! Looks like RSX's efforts getting AMS into Italy=20 is paying off! :D (Radio Studio X is also in northeastern Italy, so the=20 Milan area is the European hotbed of C-QUAM... :D ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Dec 03 18:38:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+/Qb++71+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4697 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 02:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2005 02:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 02:38:42 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.16]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 31968980 for ; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 20:36:56 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c5f87c$29399580$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20051202235054.87453.qmail@web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:40:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 5, in=7, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.16 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1743 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=xGooICgJV2TFvD3UuYmfz7fKokxXMuTK8bRT4Dl0Oct9agBo7bR2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Too bad I don't have the funds right now- I'd bid for you and ship it to you. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Ross" To: Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1743 > Its awful when they dont sell out of their country especially if it goes for less than the same item shipped out > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:56:21 -0000 > From: "Sotiris" > I have found a Sencore SG80 AM Stereo???! Fm Stereo Analyzer that is up > for sale at Ebay. Have contact the seller but he is not selling it > outside US so I cannot buy it as I'm from Greece... > So if anyone is interested on it go here: > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7568619786 > regards From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Dec 03 18:58:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+/Qb++71+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78926 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 02:58:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2005 02:58:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 02:58:04 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.16]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 31972458 for ; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 20:58:02 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c5f87f$1bf986c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:02:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 5, in=8, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.16 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1743 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=hVV2_-5btol9w1aMrtXHiBgHnbHntq8EVjv8nZpXltG7SZZ_XNFm X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They also have an unfortunately outdated list of US AM stereo stations, that also is missing a few known ones still doing it too, such as 920 WOKY in Milwaukee. http://www.miniradio.it/CugineUsa.htm Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." That's a neat site! Check out the "MW Map" feature: http://www.miniradio.it/MwMap.htm From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sat Dec 03 19:13:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98282 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 03:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2005 03:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 03:13:33 -0000 Received: from [69.3.114.237] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EikJc-0007MU-3K for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:13:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:13:27 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-ELNK-Trace: 726593d8db6908e21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79cddf7f30df7ded67127112954a8e9647350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Daniel Brown Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1743 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=f20T2FONzzXEywmtuEzDDZKlJB8Wh-5nIzcUx-JmXelk78GXPawxXw X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's great to see an AM station actually celebrating that fact that=20 it's in stereo instead of hiding it (or worse, getting rid of AMS=20 altogether). db On Dec 3, 2005, at 10:36 AM, Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "ponken28" > wrote: > > > > Hi! > > > > As far as I know, there will be another legit station using C-QUAM=20 > in > > Milano, Italy. It=C2=B4s called "Miniradio" and they are about to end > their > > test-transmissions in the begining of next year. Their regular > > transmissions will be on 1593 kHz with a power of 5kW. > > See their site: www.miniradio.it > > That's great to hear! Looks like RSX's efforts getting AMS into Italy > is paying off! :D (Radio Studio X is also in northeastern Italy, so=20 > the > Milan area is the European hotbed of C-QUAM... :D ) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > =C2=A0 > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > =C2=A0amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =C2=A0 > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Term= s of=20 > Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 03 20:10:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2494 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 04:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2005 04:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 04:10:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2005 04:09:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2005 04:09:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 04:09:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.7.64 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1743 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=E_lQ9BMf-VC7QsR-pDP5LoBcKk6yZkTiygsppyHUXarEbGY4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Internationally, AMS is, for the most part, stable. I know that other=20 than France, Italy and Greece, quite a few countries still have AM=20 stereo. These include: Japan, South Korea (but the Koreans seem to be=20 phasing out AM altogether), Taiwan, Hong Kong, Philipines, Indonesia,=20 Thailand, Australia (but falling :( ), South Africa, Botswana,=20 Swaziland (I haven't heard otherwise otherwise for these last three,=20 so...), Canada, Mexico, Panama, Venezuela, Columbia, Argentina, and=20 Brazil. Usually, those countries noted for the overall stability of their=20 stations (they don't necessarily follow market whims, as here in=20 America) that also have AMS, still have AMS. Japan still remains the=20 most AMS-friendly market. Let's hope AMS survives, and even grows once more- Not just here, but=20 around the world. And let's hope there are more than just myself, a few engineers and=20 fellow enthusiasts that reside here who will keep the pilot light on=20 and the quadrature well-modulated. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Dec 04 02:17:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9859 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 10:17:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2005 10:17:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 10:17:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2005 10:15:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2005 10:15:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 10:15:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.7.64 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Musicradio returns to 77 WABC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=4K8Ji71BBmH9yZZ_--LaLckOIub-DuRkobH3XvgFF2rKqkAG X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > > http://www.geocities.com/kevintekel/amstereo/wctcx04b.mp3 Don't usually hear Boney M. much in America, not since '77's "Rivers of=20 Babylon".... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Dec 04 05:39:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37107 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 13:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2005 13:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.137) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 13:39:01 -0000 Received: from storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 0BA08D768; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 05:32:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA10276; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 05:32:08 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAqangU3gxhDctaN9mkUGaTsX2s7cCFQCwTzh24p8Ey1HlnyUBcnScCUPcPg== Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 07:32:08 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: stodd@mpcinternet.net Message-ID: <23659-4392EFD8-17330@storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 3 Dec 2005 22:44:38 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1744 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=yoE5cZiON_cdaZX53HY8rSRsyry0h9QNrJ9p3_KWLi7yD_uU1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 So Scott, K S T P is dropping Limbaugh and Hannity!!! What Pray Tell do they plan to switch to on 1500 KSTP?? Seemed to my recollection that KSTP was always in the top tier of minneapolis// st paul market ratings, as well as WCCO. The smooth jazz station going away is unfortunate also, Would that affect KS95 KSTP-FM??? Omaha had a smooth jazz station, KOSJ on 97.7 until Journal bought them, then a whole bunch of format changes.. Yet Smooth Jazz has been very successful on Dallas's KOAI 107. I respect the Journal people as one of the broadcast chains I have a good working relationship with, BUT they made some real serious blunders with some of their programming decisions... Axing WOW, and KESY, Dropping the Smooth Jazz, and their step child talk station on 1420 always in last place.... . was KOOO> KESY> KBBX now KHLP. Any word on 1420's sale to Salem?? Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 597-5276 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Dec 04 10:18:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85181 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 18:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2005 18:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 18:18:05 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EiyQz-00047B-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 13:18:01 -0500 Message-ID: <00a201c5f8ff$0dd6b150$6502a8c0@PossumHunter> To: Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:11:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: The Future Of Radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=E8v4Jw1XUcU9KidJvui5UZyaNcOPU6bY9iJ6qMLv2TCM0Pa_BkOAG7LLJx4hqw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Is the future of radio Silent transmitters? Ever been to www.mixed-tape.com ? It is owned by Mercedes Benz. You go to it once per week to download 69 minutes of commercial free music, put it on your iPod, then plug your iPod into the dash of your new Mercedes. Mercedes-Benz is the first to offer full integration of your iPod® into the vehicle's audio and information system. Your iPod and your Mercedes-Benz are simply connected via "plug and play". The dashboard multifunction display adopts the iPod title navigation. BTW, they do have some real cool music. I downloaded the 69 minute "mixed tape" to play in my Chevy! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Dec 04 13:33:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76081 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 21:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2005 21:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 21:33:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2005 21:33:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2005 21:33:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:33:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00a201c5f8ff$0dd6b150$6502a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.49.128 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: The Future Of Radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=oiz17LaneAAvsBoYDaT-nkH6NFCbuBtrqYTnviVnE58iTr1L X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > Is the future of radio Silent transmitters? No. In fact, the only medium that has ever truly disappeared is the=20 electric-cable telegraph. Everybody worried that when radio became the Big Thing, it would kill=20 off the newspapers. Didn't happen. When TV became that Big Thing, the fear was it would kill radio. Not=20 only didn't it happen, but radio was transformed to such a degree=20 that post-network radio is now regarded as radio's true "golden age"=20 from the '60s to the '80s. (And newepapers are still around, though they still have trouble, at=20 least in America, with the lowest per-capita readership in the=20 developed world, but in many places, newspapers are changing and=20 transformi9ng-- Where I live, there is a newspaper explosion, where=20 there are twice as many newspapers now than there was 20 years ago-=20 And the main town here will have its second daily newspaper here=20 within the next year.) Will the iPod (or any other MP3 player) kill radio? Not any more than=20 the cassette Walkman from Sony did over 20 years ago. But what will we see, or rather, hear? This remains to be seen after the corporate implosion. But radio will=20 still be there. I do think we'll see the rise of "community radio",=20 though. Not trying to be "top dog", but trying to serve the community. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Dec 04 14:40:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+/Qb++71+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13452 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 22:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2005 22:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 22:40:02 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.105]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 32174324 for ; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:39:57 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c5f924$39f62a20$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:43:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1071212708 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 17, in=14, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.105 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: new Crosley radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=E61Xjng-MGTHQNgyzvfhEvhqoqW6NKMV4zSAVrPD1INbQ4ivoIT8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone have any experience with some of the new Crosley radios being advertised? Supposedly they have one that's quite sensitive- Superadio quality. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 04 15:16:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86719 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 23:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2005 23:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.116) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 23:16:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 47887 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Dec 2005 23:16:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20051204231602.47885.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.233] by web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:16:02 PST Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:16:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003a01c5f924$39f62a20$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.116 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} new Crosley radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=C5j2GR7hEvhu2nlFf8U2bbgt_r_6-sa5E8gnQpITe8c X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > Anyone have any experience with some of the new > Crosley radios being advertised? Supposedly they > have one that's quite sensitive- Superadio quality. > Scott Todd What model (s) and where have you seen them? Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 04 15:22:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64769 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 23:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2005 23:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.240) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 23:22:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 93414 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Dec 2005 23:22:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20051204232230.93412.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.233] by web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:22:30 PST Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:22:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20051204231602.47885.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: MCS 3050 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=pghr8I-al7mOg-fmpkSt9Ie_cCUUOergOkk56rzxMv4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I picked one up today at the Barnyard flea market. The person who had it had tons of old hifi gear, and his stuff almost always works ok. He's a ham I've know for many decades. I haven't tested it yet. That will happen in a few minutes. With big thunderstorms coming I guess I'll get static. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Dec 04 15:35:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57209 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 23:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2005 23:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 23:35:44 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ej3OR-00072y-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:35:43 -0500 Message-ID: <013a01c5f92b$6ff1ba70$6502a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20051204231602.47885.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:34:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} new Crosley radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=CdD_xjDk_KImvYZuXB6ANLpW8wlaHV1BXuSzCkn3ipmFxUubJSFL3M1pk4lIUw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: >Anyone have any experience with some of the new Crosley radios being >advertised? It ain't a Crosley unless it has "WLW" instead of "700" for the 700kc dial position. I have a vintage Crosley "pup" that I play with every now and then. Here is the website for Crosley http://www.crosleyradio.com/ Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 05 08:46:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70293 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2005 16:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2005 16:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.120) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2005 16:46:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 87382 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2005 16:39:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20051205163935.87380.qmail@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.232.195.134] by web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 08:39:35 PST Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:39:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20051204232230.93412.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: More on the MCS 3050 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=8tbGOa0RGSRznIxHXQ-Z704U2UjxL_LoOgUf2EBC7qk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I fired it up first with just a wire on FM and it picked up Charleston on 107.5. With the RS loop it screams on MW. Conditions were strange last night so I heard NO AM stereo stations. WLS was burrrrrrried by Cuba. 1210 WPHT was there but there were 3 other stations causing problems and it was sorta kinda almost listenable. But it even got audio on 1090 with WTAM blasting in. Maybe I need to transmit..... Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 05 17:14:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93076 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2005 01:14:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2005 01:14:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2005 01:14:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2005 01:13:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2005 01:13:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 01:13:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051205163935.87380.qmail@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.224.20 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: More on the MCS 3050 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=GgOIiJR6Fj6knbMAM8_y8Pym8C9GW75mSV-9SfgPA69ddAl6zQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I fired it up first with just a wire on FM and it > picked up Charleston on 107.5. With the RS loop it > screams on MW. I've also found my MCS 3050 to be incredibly sensitive on AM with a=20 tuned loop antenna (I use the Terk AM Advantage). Its 5 kHz filter=20 is a good compromise between selectivity and treble response. With=20 the loop antenna I've found that you can receive stronger Expanded=20 Band stations by tuning the MCS to 900 kHz less than the desired=20 frequency (for example, 780 kHz instead of 1680 kHz) -- and this=20 "image" can even be received in AM Stereo if the station is=20 broadcasting it. On FM, it has pretty good sensitivity, but the=20 selectivity is poor. It would benefit greatly from a narrower=20 ceramic filter (if it is even using one at all). The MCS 3050 has an "easter egg" -- if you hold down a certain=20 combination of buttons while turning it on, the electroluminescent=20 display stays blank (while the tuner functions as normal). I forgot=20 which buttons to press, but with some fooling around you should be=20 able to discover it. I still haven't found any trick to switch it to=20 9 kHz AM channel spacing, if it offers such a feature. The 3050 was=20 built by NEC in Japan and was sold with 9 kHz channel spacing in=20 Australia (as a different brand and model), so it definitely is=20 possible, but it may require a change in the circuitry. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 05 19:45:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2085 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2005 03:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2005 03:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.162) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2005 03:45:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 17309 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2005 03:45:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20051206034522.17307.qmail@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.155.122] by web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:45:22 PST Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:45:22 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: MCS3050 Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=l9L9dP6W5TQVliTb4Fx4g0Tc1Hy7kUIFVO6Yj2xwRIhmWcqz4XX5EXs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I'm considering installing a 7.5KHz (AMAX) ceramic I.F. filter in my MCS3050 tuner to widen the bandwidth some more; otherwise, a nice-looking tuner; too bad Radio Shack didn't sell these for $60 in the AMS craze. __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 05 21:58:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34505 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2005 05:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2005 05:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2005 05:58:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2005 05:58:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2005 05:58:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 05:58:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051206034522.17307.qmail@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.224.20 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: MCS3050 Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=wIaJVOKHv28sr81AwtCIgtKT0WA6yn2pImftwnUSIonLHz58nw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'm considering installing a 7.5KHz (AMAX) ceramic I.F. filter in > my MCS3050 tuner to widen the bandwidth some more; otherwise, a > nice-looking tuner; too bad Radio Shack didn't sell these for $60 > in the AMS craze. If you add an MC13028 decoder to it, there is a definite improvement=20 in both bass and treble response, even with the standard ceramic=20 filter. (I think its built-in MC13020 decoder has some capacitor=20 filtering of its audio output, just like the TM-152.) Plus, the=20 MC13028 makes the 3050's sensitivity even better, because the chip=20 has its own variable IF amplifier to boost weak signals. From w6yn@juno.com Tue Dec 06 10:26:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40428 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2005 18:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2005 18:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2005 18:26:38 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB3MX3PAL55HHA for (sender ); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:23:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LBKB3VEF; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:23:22 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:55:36 -0800 Message-ID: <20051206.102311.2628.3.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ContentStamp: 8:4:2243445373 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLO0LLfDEtaE0ct2hZ0MCvqc= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Radio Companies Form HD Digital Radio Alliance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=f_JDhEQZFJWBF7F_-s4MjBL90AeYPRtwto3MHvs_LA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Radio Companies Form HD Digital Radio Alliance Seven top U.S. radio companies have formed a strategic alliance to coordinate the rollout of HD Radio. The effort includes the coordination of formats on a new multicast channel, as well as working to secure digital automotive receiver designs and lower the price points of digital receivers. The effort will be headed by a former VP of Clear Channel, Peter Ferrara; he had been in charge of special projects for Clear Channel. The companies announced the agreement in New York at a press conference this morning. The joint effort includes marketing of HD Radio in partnership with receiver makers and retailers. "Member companies will devote air time and dollars to promote HD Radio and the new multicast channel," according to the statement. The group is named the HD Digital Radio alliance and is open to other U.S.-based radio companies. The group stated it expects to announce its first market-specific HD programming lineup early in the new year, including launch dates, specifics on specialized multicast signals and a nationwide marketing campaign. From wnmb@sc.rr.com Tue Dec 06 18:33:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70292 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2005 02:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2005 02:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2005 02:33:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2005 02:32:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2005 02:32:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 02:32:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "WNMB Radio" Subject: Good News Today for WNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=WUm6wBeXd6MYM4lIOrMPcYNQ4fe2qPGyKvN_oT_s_O8O7w X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Got a call from Delta Electronics today. Our AM Stereo exciter and=20 mod monitors are built and are being shipped to us. WNMB should have=20 its AM Stereo signal on the air well before Christmas. We've taken=20 delivery of new Armstrong composite STL units, stereo is up and=20 running already in the studios and on the internet. Optimod 9100 is=20 already in the audio chain and operating. We appreciate the e-mails=20 and encouragement we've gotten from many of you on this forum. Bill=20 at WNMB 900 in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 06 20:27:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44101 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2005 04:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2005 04:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.123) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2005 04:27:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 99084 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2005 04:26:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20051207042651.99081.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.5.219.153] by web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:26:51 PST Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:26:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Good News Today for WNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=zcaBfWOVZbzVtIi6JFWNWsC16zx-mUrY_x22tFeKcKg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- WNMB Radio wrote: > Got a call from Delta Electronics today. Our AM > Stereo exciter and > mod monitors are built and are being shipped to us. > WNMB should have > its AM Stereo signal on the air well before > Christmas. We've taken > delivery of new Armstrong composite STL units, > stereo is up and > running already in the studios and on the internet. > Optimod 9100 is > already in the audio chain and operating. We > appreciate the e-mails > and encouragement we've gotten from many of you on > this forum. Bill > at WNMB 900 in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Now, go to 50,000 watts so I can hear you in Columbia..... Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Dec 07 17:32:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+7tpW+75+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36220 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2005 01:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2005 01:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2005 01:32:44 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.101]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 33616628 for ; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:32:37 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c5fb97$dbf001a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20051204231602.47885.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:36:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 20, in=12, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.101 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} new Crosley radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=hZ-YxKVBvkxJufe-fkmFNUOAi8UiHEMzyDTUolUHlkkVeG9Qas3t X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Never actually seen them, Powell, just hear them advertised on Bennett, Gallagher, Hewitt, etc. I understand a few of them have some remarkable AM reception. Thanks for the link, Possum. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > > What model (s) and where have you seen them? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Dec 07 19:08:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+7tpW+75+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85148 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2005 03:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2005 03:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2005 03:08:53 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.101]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 33622642 for ; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:55:26 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c5fb9b$0c084b60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20051207042651.99081.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:59:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 20, in=14, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.101 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Good News Today for WNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=2k0tbdJNolAuMx9_wUfQBp6-Eis3woSI9JPNSmvA7ua1QtD_9QTB X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Please also consider buying a station in our market so I'll have some good AM stereo to listen to. :) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > --- WNMB Radio wrote: > > > Got a call from Delta Electronics today. Our AM > > Stereo exciter and > > mod monitors are built and are being shipped to us. > > We > > appreciate the e-mails > > and encouragement we've gotten from many of you on > > this forum. > > > Now, go to 50,000 watts so I can hear you in > Columbia..... From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Dec 09 15:02:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40358 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2005 23:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2005 23:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2005 23:02:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:01:12 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.48 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 23:01:11 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereo@bellsouth.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 23:01:11 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2005 23:01:12.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[73677360:01C5FD14] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: WCFL 1000kc, Chicago X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Three more hours (until 9pm Eastern, 6pm Pacific) of XM's channel 6 doing t= heir weekly re-creation of stations from the 1960's.......... and as you mi= ght have guessed from the subject line, today's re-creation is WCFL, Chicag= o, IL. I have never been able to pick up 1000 out of Chicago here. Donn St Petersburg,FL From droland66@yahoo.com Sat Dec 10 16:42:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85696 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2005 00:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2005 00:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2005 00:42:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2005 00:42:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2005 00:42:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 00:42:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.179.16 From: "david roland" Subject: just a "what if" type of question regarding analog AM Stereo fidelity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=uNLRIPQ6V8VSx1gBmIo8z9ShJINwnk8YZ_blJznvuQSwzYuW X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 If AM Stereo were to be broadcast with a wide bandwidth beyond 15 kHz=20 and up to 20kHz during the day and reduced to 12 kHz at night to help=20 cut intereference, I have some what ifs I would like to know: in this age of $29 DVD players, we know chips are cheap so: what if a new era of AM Stereo receivers were introduced that could=20 use every known trick to reduce/reject noise/static while retaining=20 fidelity (synchronous detection versus envelope detection, DSP with=20 noise shaping and high bit and sample rates, comparitive algorithms,=20 etc.) would it be possible to make analog AM reception on these new=20 receivers nearly as static free in an electrical storm as FM? would=20 it be possible to capatilize on a clean sounding high end to get even=20 closer to CD quality sound than current analog FM? and finally, would=20 it be possible to render excellent night-time skywave reception as=20 well? if not possible using C-QUAM AM-Stereo transmission, would it=20 be possible to do this using an improved all-analog scheme that is=20 backwards compatible with mono receivers? i could be way off base, but it seems to me that with modern=20 technology, a virtually static free high-fidelity AM-Stereo receiver=20 with bandwidth up to 20kHz (especially during the day) should=20 certainly be achievable. if the sound was such that the quality=20 could be promoted as audiophile quality, i think it would revive=20 serious listening and could bring a renissaince of the AOR formatted=20 rock stations. there are lots of opportunities on the AM band these=20 days as it is quite open in some areas of the country during the day. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Dec 10 17:17:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7234 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2005 01:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2005 01:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2005 01:17:24 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1ElFq5-0002sG-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:17:21 -0500 Message-ID: <006b01c5fdf0$a237a020$6702a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:17:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} just a "what if" type of question regarding analog AM Stereo fidelity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=TaKWlj42rPeNE4dfS7lN87JUCv1Czf9Om_MGQEb-heEQIn3plx8ZPZs1wtXtgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 david roland wrote: > what if a new era of AM Stereo receivers were introduced that could use > every known trick to reduce/reject noise/static while retaining fidelity This AM tuner is as good as it gets at this time: http://www.fanfare.com/fta-100-sht.html > >would it be possible to make analog AM reception on these new receivers >nearly as static free in an electrical storm as FM? You can get rid of a lot of the noise, but not all of it. > > would it be possible to capitalize on a clean sounding high end to get > even closer to CD quality sound than current analog FM? Absolutely! McIntosh Labs certified WLW as High Fidelity with flat frequency response from 15Hz to 20 kHz back in the 1930s! > > and finally, would it be possible to render excellent night-time skywave > reception as well? if not possible using C-QUAM AM-Stereo transmission, > would it be possible to do this using an improved all-analog scheme that > is backwards compatible with mono receivers? It is called KAHN ISB AM Stereo. > > i could be way off base, but it seems to me that with modern technology, a > virtually static free high-fidelity AM-Stereo receiver with bandwidth up > to 20kHz (especially during the day) should certainly be achievable. I have an antique RCA console radio from the 1930s that is good to 22 kHz in the High Fidelity mode! > > if the sound was such that the quality could be promoted as audiophile > quality, i think it would revive serious listening and could bring a > renaissance of the AOR formatted rock stations. The audio quality broadcast by most AM stations today is better than most car cassette tape players are able to produce. Even with NRSC filtering, AM stations are capable of broadcasting better Stereo separation that is technically possible to get from a 33 RPM Stereophonic LP record. > >there are lots of opportunities on the AM band these days as it is quite >open in some areas of the country during the day. It is not as wide open as it seems. The FCC will not license new Class D AMs. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sat Dec 10 18:22:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86996 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2005 02:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2005 02:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2005 02:22:29 -0000 Received: from [69.3.180.111] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ElGr1-0003CH-RG for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:22:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:22:22 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-ELNK-Trace: 726593d8db6908e21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec792b71e113d7b41aeae11080aec851956d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Daniel Brown Subject: Re: {AMSF} just a "what if" type of question regarding analog AM Stereo fidelity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=-4Y9EnYmc2w2xwTpB-V1q1CGQDvfeJy-2I5bzEoyRXGBaflWnWIYDg X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's too bad you're not FCC Chairman Kevin Martin asking these=20 questions. The thought of them giving the go-ahead to IBOC AM is frightening. db On Dec 10, 2005, at 4:42 PM, david roland wrote: > If AM Stereo were to be broadcast with a wide bandwidth beyond 15 kHz > and up to 20kHz during the day and reduced to 12 kHz at night to help > cut intereference, I have some what ifs I would like to know: > > in this age of $29 DVD players, we know chips are cheap so: > > what if a new era of AM Stereo receivers were introduced that could > use every known trick to reduce/reject noise/static while retaining > fidelity (synchronous detection versus envelope detection, DSP with > noise shaping and high bit and sample rates, comparitive algorithms, > etc.) would it be possible to make analog AM reception on these new > receivers nearly as static free in an electrical storm as FM?=C2=A0 woul= d > it be possible to capatilize on a clean sounding high end to get even > closer to CD quality sound than current analog FM? and finally, would > it be possible to render excellent night-time skywave reception as > well?=C2=A0 if not possible using C-QUAM AM-Stereo transmission, would i= t > be possible to do this using an improved all-analog scheme that is > backwards compatible with mono receivers? > > i could be way off base, but it seems to me that with modern > technology, a virtually static free high-fidelity AM-Stereo receiver > with bandwidth up to 20kHz (especially during the day) should > certainly be achievable.=C2=A0 if the sound was such that the quality > could be promoted as audiophile quality, i think it would revive > serious listening and could bring a renissaince of the AOR formatted > rock stations.=C2=A0 there are lots of opportunities on the AM band thes= e > days as it is quite open in some areas of the country during the day. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > =C2=A0 > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > =C2=A0amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =C2=A0 > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Term= s of=20 > Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From droland66@yahoo.com Sat Dec 10 19:39:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78100 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2005 03:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2005 03:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2005 03:39:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2005 03:39:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2005 03:39:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2005 03:39:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:39:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.179.16 From: "david roland" Subject: Re: {AMSF} just a "what if" type of question regarding analog AM Stereo fidelity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=9X3r0pzQLO8vb86BwQchV3Tz8extP5n29wVN-dVEqUDRXIxQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 What we need is a Billionaire who loves music and has a few tens of=20 millions of $'s to just throw away on a hobby to buy one of the clear=20 channel 50k blasters and make the format a DJ run 70's type AOR style=20 nearly commerical free, run 50 Hz to 20 kHz AM Stereo (tell FCC that=20 this is what you are going to do since they allow IBOC which also=20 encroaches and just do it), and contract a company like Fanfare to=20 work on mass production economies of scale low cost receivers and=20 give away bunches of them through promos until the cost is sub-$100.=20=20 if the listening radius at night is up to 500 miles, audiophiles all=20 over would buy the receivers. especially with a little grass-roots=20 promoting. anybody know anyone who fits the bill for being rich=20 enough and loving music enough to do this as a hobby, and also as a=20 call out to save the AM band? does such an enthuist exist?=20=20 coax --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Brown =20 wrote: > > It's too bad you're not FCC Chairman Kevin Martin asking these=20 > questions. >=20 > The thought of them giving the go-ahead to IBOC AM is frightening. >=20 > db > On Dec 10, 2005, at 4:42 PM, david roland wrote: >=20 > > If AM Stereo were to be broadcast with a wide bandwidth beyond 15=20 kHz > > and up to 20kHz during the day and reduced to 12 kHz at night to=20 help > > cut intereference, I have some what ifs I would like to know: > > > > in this age of $29 DVD players, we know chips are cheap so: > > > > what if a new era of AM Stereo receivers were introduced that=20 could > > use every known trick to reduce/reject noise/static while=20 retaining > > fidelity (synchronous detection versus envelope detection, DSP=20 with > > noise shaping and high bit and sample rates, comparitive=20 algorithms, > > etc.) would it be possible to make analog AM reception on these=20 new > > receivers nearly as static free in an electrical storm as FM?=C2=A0=20 would > > it be possible to capatilize on a clean sounding high end to get=20 even > > closer to CD quality sound than current analog FM? and finally,=20 would > > it be possible to render excellent night-time skywave reception=20 as > > well?=C2=A0 if not possible using C-QUAM AM-Stereo transmission,=20 would it > > be possible to do this using an improved all-analog scheme that=20 is > > backwards compatible with mono receivers? > > > > i could be way off base, but it seems to me that with modern > > technology, a virtually static free high-fidelity AM-Stereo=20 receiver > > with bandwidth up to 20kHz (especially during the day) should > > certainly be achievable.=C2=A0 if the sound was such that the quality > > could be promoted as audiophile quality, i think it would revive > > serious listening and could bring a renissaince of the AOR=20 formatted > > rock stations.=C2=A0 there are lots of opportunities on the AM band=20 these > > days as it is quite open in some areas of the country during the=20 day. > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > =C2=A0 > > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > =C2=A0amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > =C2=A0 > > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!=20 Terms of=20 > > Service. > > > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From droland66@yahoo.com Sat Dec 10 19:51:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16784 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2005 03:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2005 03:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2005 03:51:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2005 03:51:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2005 03:51:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:51:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.179.16 From: "david roland" Subject: Re: {AMSF} just a "what if" type of question regarding analog AM Stereo fidelity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=pxDUJ5lehiuRSMThqdAiHHbew4eNUwFFIRGpotZyVp3uMZzy X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 I know he isn't a Billionaire -- but George Clooney comes to mind as=20 someone who might do something such as what I mention just below.=20=20 The guy flat out loves radio and especially AM radio! I know because=20 I lived in Cincinnati where members of that family still work in the=20 industry. Now if only I knew the him personally, I would beg because=20 he is celebrity enough to go up against the powers that be and get=20 the job done. sky... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "david roland" =20 wrote: > > What we need is a Billionaire who loves music and has a few tens of=20 > millions of $'s to just throw away on a hobby to buy one of the=20 clear=20 > channel 50k blasters and make the format a DJ run 70's type AOR=20 style=20 > nearly commerical free, run 50 Hz to 20 kHz AM Stereo (tell FCC=20 that=20 > this is what you are going to do since they allow IBOC which also=20 > encroaches and just do it), and contract a company like Fanfare to=20 > work on mass production economies of scale low cost receivers and=20 > give away bunches of them through promos until the cost is sub- $100.=20=20 > if the listening radius at night is up to 500 miles, audiophiles=20 all=20 > over would buy the receivers. especially with a little grass-roots=20 > promoting. anybody know anyone who fits the bill for being rich=20 > enough and loving music enough to do this as a hobby, and also as a=20 > call out to save the AM band? does such an enthuist exist?=20=20 >=20 > coax >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Brown =20 > wrote: > > > > It's too bad you're not FCC Chairman Kevin Martin asking these=20 > > questions. > >=20 > > The thought of them giving the go-ahead to IBOC AM is frightening. > >=20 > > db > > On Dec 10, 2005, at 4:42 PM, david roland wrote: > >=20 > > > If AM Stereo were to be broadcast with a wide bandwidth beyond=20 15=20 > kHz > > > and up to 20kHz during the day and reduced to 12 kHz at night=20 to=20 > help > > > cut intereference, I have some what ifs I would like to know: > > > > > > in this age of $29 DVD players, we know chips are cheap so: > > > > > > what if a new era of AM Stereo receivers were introduced that=20 > could > > > use every known trick to reduce/reject noise/static while=20 > retaining > > > fidelity (synchronous detection versus envelope detection, DSP=20 > with > > > noise shaping and high bit and sample rates, comparitive=20 > algorithms, > > > etc.) would it be possible to make analog AM reception on=20 these=20 > new > > > receivers nearly as static free in an electrical storm as FM? =C2=A0=20 > would > > > it be possible to capatilize on a clean sounding high end to=20 get=20 > even > > > closer to CD quality sound than current analog FM? and=20 finally,=20 > would > > > it be possible to render excellent night-time skywave=20 reception=20 > as > > > well?=C2=A0 if not possible using C-QUAM AM-Stereo transmission,=20 > would it > > > be possible to do this using an improved all-analog scheme=20 that=20 > is > > > backwards compatible with mono receivers? > > > > > > i could be way off base, but it seems to me that with modern > > > technology, a virtually static free high-fidelity AM-Stereo=20 > receiver > > > with bandwidth up to 20kHz (especially during the day) should > > > certainly be achievable.=C2=A0 if the sound was such that the=20 quality > > > could be promoted as audiophile quality, i think it would=20 revive > > > serious listening and could bring a renissaince of the AOR=20 > formatted > > > rock stations.=C2=A0 there are lots of opportunities on the AM=20 band=20 > these > > > days as it is quite open in some areas of the country during=20 the=20 > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > > =C2=A0 > > > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > =C2=A0amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > =C2=A0 > > > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!= =20 > Terms of=20 > > > Service. > > > > > > > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sat Dec 10 20:30:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21064 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2005 04:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2005 04:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2005 04:30:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2005 04:30:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2005 04:29:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 04:29:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.109.183.126 From: "Tom" Subject: {AMSF} Re: That ------ng Denon! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=Mudzu80v6rNyIUcd1eXvyEsjrLqpDvdR72nW53ygDaOqStiKUsLUx50Z X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After a year and a half, I finally got a refund for the repair job on my Denon TU-680 NAB tuner. It was sent to Denon's facility in Chicago, then New Jersey and finally back to San Francisco. They replaced many parts (I don't have a list though) and it still has that problem of switching between stereo and mono on FM. Beats me why they couldn't fix it. I'll have to use my receiver for the Eff-Emm. Denon offered to replace the tuner but their new ones don't have AM-Stereo, otherwise I'd have a new one. In the meantime, I bought a Radio Shack TM-152 tuner and compared the two. The Denon has better high end than the RS tuner but not by an awful lot. The RS is a great buy if you can get one. Nice if it had a wide/narrow switch. Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" wrote: > > > There was one part that was replaced they told me was the last one. > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > possumhunter@p... wrote: > > Tom wrote: > > This thing has that FM stereo/mono switching problem now > > > > I can't understand why it can't be fixed, unless the parts are no > longer > > made. I would look for a leaky capacitor in the MPX circuit or in > the Power > > supply. I wouldn't think this problem would be hard to track down at > all. > > > > Kevin in Tampa > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a > mathematical > > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard > Kahn > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Sun Dec 11 02:13:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5143 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2005 10:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2005 10:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2005 10:13:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2005 10:13:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2005 10:13:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:13:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: That ------ng Denon! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=0F8Lp8zQminSLpB-dzLAcy3uckeeTb9aHQ4BhnWjdmTacYjTZnXd X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 >In the meantime, I bought a Radio Shack TM-152 tuner=20 >and compared the two. The Denon has better high end=20 >than the RS tuner but not by an awful lot. The RS=20 >is a great buy if you can get one. Nice if it had=20 >a wide/narrow switch. A much better purchase would be the Meduci AMX-2000: http://Meduci.com/amx2000.html From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Dec 11 06:58:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16846 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2005 14:58:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2005 14:58:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fall-curlleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (207.69.195.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2005 14:58:08 -0000 Received: from jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.63]) by fall-curlleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ElSeI-0003DH-OO for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:58:02 -0500 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1ElSMB-0003U4-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:39:19 -0500 Message-ID: <018401c5fe60$aab4fa70$6702a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:39:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.195.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} just a "what if" type of question regarding analog AM Stereo fidelity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=eTGLYFNAUvmKTvZLXLoLvi77S3nQifgFm-saRKorFxzixkOA_Fdl2z5OEdBbAg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit david roland wrote: >What we need is a Billionaire who loves music and has a few tens of millions of $'s to just throw away on a hobby to buy one of the clear channel 50k blasters and make the format a DJ run 70's type AOR style nearly commercial free, run 50 Hz to 20 kHz AM Stereo You have just described WPCI 1490 in Greenville SC! It is a Graveyard station that is owned by Randy Mathena, a multi millionaire, and it is his hobby. He plays a commercial free Eclectic music format 24/7 in C-QAUM Stereo. http://www.metrobeat.net/gbase/Expedite/Content?oid=oid%3A1680 > >contract a company like Fanfare to work on mass production economies of scale low cost receivers and give away bunches of them through promos until the cost is sub-$100. You have just described the Sony SRF-A300 http://www.audiocubes.com/product_info.php?cPath=71_65&products_id=420&osCsid=7905e5b1b3110b5aadd4f44b55410973 Fanfare is a company that makes Ultra High-End audiophile grade tuners. The products they produce are not for the mass consumer market, but are for people who want the absolute best Hi-Fi equipment money will buy, no matter the cost. Asking Fanfare to produce a tuner for the "Radio-Shack" market is kind of like asking Rolls Royce to make an economy car to compete with the Yugo...and it would be a bloody sin if they did! I am sure that if you can buy enough of them, Sony would produce an American market version of the '300. > >if the listening radius at night is up to 500 miles, audiophiles all over would buy the receivers. especially with a little grass-roots promoting. This is how WOWO 1190 was until it was raped. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 11 20:21:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42864 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2005 04:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2005 04:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2005 04:21:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 20867 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2005 04:21:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20051212042154.20864.qmail@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.155.122] by web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:21:54 PST Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:21:54 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1134288927.224.62761.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1751 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=DUBNbnf77uJRnxd1-C9YIJ2Oh7-BLyQr8DeZnhTaWvCoQ5_uhd3Bmrc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Two comments: George Clooney sounds like a great idea, and maybe he loves his AM radio because his Aunty Rosemary was a big radio star with Bing Crosby in the 50's? Actually, I was hoping H.Ross Perot, Bill Gates or Warren Buffet were AM analog fans. If we had the Walton/Walmart kiddies interested, we'd be in AM stereo heaven! Regarding the Denon repair from hell, there was an engineer on the list, J.Gilstrap I believe, that has TM-152 mods including a dual bandwidth switch etc to fix up the Radio Shack AM stereo unit. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Dec 12 15:34:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0++LU5+79+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85681 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2005 23:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2005 23:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2005 23:34:22 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.47]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 32500635 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:32:13 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c5ff74$e53879a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:36:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.212.47 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} just a "what if" type of question regarding analog AM Stereo fidelity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=jINQzEN--40bS8n1qeEFg7PVxmw7-EqO50x5ypvQYKzBq4_ec7P8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Nah, he'd probably turn it into an Air America station. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "david roland" I know he isn't a Billionaire -- but George Clooney comes to mind as someone who might do something such as what I mention just below. The guy flat out loves radio and especially AM radio! From tomjacobsen@bellsouth.net Mon Dec 12 20:39:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomjacobsen@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99622 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2005 04:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2005 04:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2005 04:39:21 -0000 Received: from ibm62aec.bellsouth.net ([68.223.126.250]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20051213043851.COCX17452.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm62aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:38:51 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [68.223.126.250]) by ibm62aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20051213043850.FDQP17681.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:38:50 -0500 Message-ID: <439E5057.8090308@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:38:47 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1134375394.589.72338.m17@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1134375394.589.72338.m17@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 205.152.59.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Tom Jacobsen Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1752 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=235290470; y=fo4evX_iv20xQy5s5qAUei-pg44nbYyUjUDJxTp7R7ivQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jacobst I have been watching this group for a while and am disappointed that I cannot receive CQuam stereo in Atlanta. There is the one listed station on 610, but I am not into Spanish format. There is another station (AM1160, WMLB) in Atlanta that plays a mixed-format with local DJs and I thought you may be interested in my suggestion email to their general manager: If there are more people on this group that are in the Atlanta area that can convince them that there is an opportunity to increase their listenership at minimal cost by going stereo, they may be interested. Their website is: http://www.am1160.net ----Begin email ---- Hello, I listen to your radio station and like your format as a contrast to the "corporate radio" formats without local DJs. Believe it or not, there is a faction of people (including myself) that enjoy music on AM radio instead of talk. I like many different types of music, and don't fit into any of the "marketing boxes" that the corporate guys have set up to describe their target audiences, and am delighted in your mixed format. Thanks for your mixed format of music, and your local DJs. You sound great up in Braselton during the day, however I unfortunately cannot receive many local stations at night, except WSB due to skywave effect. My suggestion: Since your format is mostly music, would you be interested in transmitting in stereo? There is a active group of dedicated people that love listening to high fidelity CQuam stereo AM stations with a music format. Unfortunately, the only station that is left in the Atlanta area that is still CQuam stereo capable is on 610kHz and it has become Spanish format. From what I understand, many stations have the necessary equipment for stereo still on their transmitter, but the equipment has been disabled when a previous station owner went to talk format. Many of the high-end radios in new cars are still able to receive CQuam stereo. Your multi-genre music format is a novelty in the Atlanta market and draws many listeners. If you were stereo too, that would be a complementary novelty that would draw many more. Thank you, ---Tom Jacobsen Braselton, GA From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 13 08:20:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53467 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2005 16:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2005 16:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2005 16:20:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 33555 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2005 16:13:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20051213161329.33553.qmail@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:13:29 PST Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:13:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1134461829.255.90664.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: A while before we can hear HD-R X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=_EqxCaQ5Tf03UB_cUDOGPZJP-Z5XBxjStVhP92QaF6XBUx1wDnuLc-E X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From the folks at Radio World: "Date posted: 2005-12-08 Radiosophy Encounters AM Sensitivity; Won't Ship 'Before February' As we’ve reported, Radiosophy says it won’t ship its Multistream HD Radios “before February.” In a press announcement this week, the company states it’s poised for production and that “plastics and parts were in line” to begin building the unit at a factory in China when the company discovered an AM sensitivity issue with the receiver. That issue is being addressed, the company says, and it hopes to ship units to broadcasters and retailers after the weeks-long Chinese New Year break." My comments: too bad HD / IBOC isn't like CQuam was - giving out schematics of how to build your own AMS converter. I think HD-R ought to kiss the early adopters in order to make this albatros fly. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bossmsx@gmail.com Tue Dec 13 09:47:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 599 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2005 17:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2005 17:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2005 17:47:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2005 17:45:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2005 17:45:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:45:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051213161329.33553.qmail@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.75.227.85 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: A while before we can hear HD-R X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=225799755; y=ebemFFYdfe97SmEv62t1uf85Z_Q2mefUO7D6sf6XtCWn8BrH_RKV X-Yahoo-Profile: radiosanchez I actually already bought my Boston HD Recepter from Crutchfield...I=20 can tell you this, it is better built than the Yamaha I paid almost=20 3 times for, and has lasted longer, as the Yamaha I had to return,=20 and the second one is toast..The Boston is a neat radio...AM HD,=20 well, still needs improvement....The one thing that is really good=20 is the separation, they're not kidding when they say it's alot of=20 db's worth..But I know alot of you won't like the way AM sounds.=20=20 Personally, FM is worth it, at 96kbps it's better to me than=20 Canada's Eureka-147 at higher bitrates, and the multicasts are an=20 added bonus, what with formats here in Miami like all Dance on WPOW- 2, and Southern Rock on WKIS-2...But AM is probably open to debate. --ts --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P."=20 wrote: > > From the folks at Radio World: >=20 > "Date posted: 2005-12-08=20 > Radiosophy Encounters AM Sensitivity; Won't Ship 'Before February' >=20 > As we've reported, Radiosophy says it won't ship its Multistream=20 HD Radios > "before February." In a press announcement this week, the company=20 states it's > poised for production and that "plastics and parts were in line"=20 to begin > building the unit at a factory in China when the company=20 discovered an AM > sensitivity issue with the receiver. That issue is being=20 addressed, the company > says, and it hopes to ship units to broadcasters and retailers=20 after the > weeks-long Chinese New Year break." >=20 > My comments: too bad HD / IBOC isn't like CQuam was - giving out=20 schematics of > how to build your own AMS converter. I think HD-R ought to kiss=20 the early > adopters in order to make this albatros fly.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 13 15:50:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78678 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2005 23:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2005 23:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2005 23:50:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2005 23:49:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2005 23:49:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:49:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051213161329.33553.qmail@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.224.20 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: A while before we can hear HD-R X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=k1A8Nh75WQuTEsm_DHwg8m7jylcNT_31O4XopiVwI6IZp5KRRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > the company discovered an AM sensitivity issue with the receiver. > That issue is being addressed, the company says, and it hopes to > ship units to broadcasters and retailers after the weeks-long > Chinese New Year break." They should've just released it as an FM-only receiver, because=20 that's the only band on which IBOC has even the slightest chance of=20 success. AM IBOC, at least with the iBiquity system, is a technical=20 disaster, and it's only a matter of time before the FCC puts it out=20 of its misery. You want to hear just how bad it gets? Come over=20 here to New Jersey, where you can receive daytime IBOC signals from=20 610 WIP, 640 WWJZ, 710 WOR, 820 WNYC, and 950 WPEN. Between these=20 five hash-generators, there are barely any noise-free channels to be=20 heard on the dial. In fact, I suspect the engineers of WIP and WWJZ are going through=20 many headaches, as both stations serve Philadelphia and there is=20 absolutely no gap between their digital sidebands: WIP's upper=20 digital sideband extends up to 625 kHz, while WWJZ's lower digital=20 sideband extends down to 625 kHz! From bossmsx@gmail.com Tue Dec 13 15:58:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40569 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2005 23:58:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2005 23:58:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2005 23:58:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2005 23:57:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2005 23:57:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:57:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.196.68.85 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: A while before we can hear HD-R X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=225799755; y=cw9wr3hPd9edCQiH0XSoVPBONt08L8VG5SaiqYskk3d1_Q2JUgzZ X-Yahoo-Profile: radiosanchez I was in Philly, and got to hear WPEN the week before they flipped to Talk..They didn't sound half bad in HD, but the codec treats some songs well, and it gets brutal with others..."You Can't Hurry Love" shone in Stereo, but it really went to the dumpster on others, all depends on instruments. In Center City, WWJZ didn't hold well in "Enhanced" mode, staying instead in "Core" for the most part. WDAS-AM was nonexistant. WBEN-FM, on the other had, was spectacular, to say the least. They played a classic version of "Oh Happy Day" on WPPZ I heard in passing that really blew my mind. WXTU seemed to have a demo loop of news reports from cities in the US on their HD-3, apparently had been set up for the NAB show that had just passed. --ts --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > the company discovered an AM sensitivity issue with the receiver. > > That issue is being addressed, the company says, and it hopes to > > ship units to broadcasters and retailers after the weeks-long > > Chinese New Year break." >=20 > They should've just released it as an FM-only receiver, because=20 > that's the only band on which IBOC has even the slightest chance of=20 > success. AM IBOC, at least with the iBiquity system, is a technical=20 > disaster, and it's only a matter of time before the FCC puts it out=20 > of its misery. You want to hear just how bad it gets? Come over=20 > here to New Jersey, where you can receive daytime IBOC signals from=20 > 610 WIP, 640 WWJZ, 710 WOR, 820 WNYC, and 950 WPEN. Between these=20 > five hash-generators, there are barely any noise-free channels to be=20 > heard on the dial. >=20 > In fact, I suspect the engineers of WIP and WWJZ are going through=20 > many headaches, as both stations serve Philadelphia and there is=20 > absolutely no gap between their digital sidebands: WIP's upper=20 > digital sideband extends up to 625 kHz, while WWJZ's lower digital=20 > sideband extends down to 625 kHz! > From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Wed Dec 14 06:37:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64073 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 14:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2005 14:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.224) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 14:37:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 14:37:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 14:37:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 14:37:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:37:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.163.51.133 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: A while before we can hear HD-R X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=7V9S7ODORFumLUzCpcrOyyQfVv-E5nrV7zf1_dsVDECXaCYhDun0 X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Somehow a song like "Can't Hurry Love" just fits on an AM radio. I=20 like looking down and seeing 1520 or 770 on my display when that's=20 on. Of course, in Vermont you can still hear (gasp) a live jock=20 playing a song like that on WDEV at 550. I'll be moving on over to the St-Johnsbury Lyndonville, VT area in=20 January where I hope I can sneak the ST light on my TM-152. WSTJ=20 has a Nautel which is equiped with the switch inside the cabinet.=20=20 I'd be then trying to get other parts of the air chain in stereo.=20=20 Right now the Optimod is a mono. I just want to make sure the=20 bandwidth is proper at least. Bob (in January at WSTJ/WKXH-FM/WGMT-FM/WMTK-FM/WJPK-FM) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > I was in Philly, and got to hear WPEN the week before they flipped=20 to > Talk..They didn't sound half bad in HD, but the codec treats some > songs well, and it gets brutal with others..."You Can't Hurry Love" > shone in Stereo, but it really went to the dumpster on others, all > depends on instruments. >=20 > In Center City, WWJZ didn't hold well in "Enhanced" mode, staying > instead in "Core" for the most part. WDAS-AM was nonexistant. >=20 > WBEN-FM, on the other had, was spectacular, to say the least. They > played a classic version of "Oh Happy Day" on WPPZ I heard in=20 passing > that really blew my mind. >=20 > WXTU seemed to have a demo loop of news reports from cities in the=20 US > on their HD-3, apparently had been set up for the NAB show that had > just passed. >=20 > --ts >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > > > > > the company discovered an AM sensitivity issue with the=20 receiver. > > > That issue is being addressed, the company says, and it hopes=20 to > > > ship units to broadcasters and retailers after the weeks-long > > > Chinese New Year break." > >=20 > > They should've just released it as an FM-only receiver, because=20 > > that's the only band on which IBOC has even the slightest chance=20 of=20 > > success. AM IBOC, at least with the iBiquity system, is a=20 technical=20 > > disaster, and it's only a matter of time before the FCC puts it=20 out=20 > > of its misery. You want to hear just how bad it gets? Come=20 over=20 > > here to New Jersey, where you can receive daytime IBOC signals=20 from=20 > > 610 WIP, 640 WWJZ, 710 WOR, 820 WNYC, and 950 WPEN. Between=20 these=20 > > five hash-generators, there are barely any noise-free channels=20 to be=20 > > heard on the dial. > >=20 > > In fact, I suspect the engineers of WIP and WWJZ are going=20 through=20 > > many headaches, as both stations serve Philadelphia and there is=20 > > absolutely no gap between their digital sidebands: WIP's upper=20 > > digital sideband extends up to 625 kHz, while WWJZ's lower=20 digital=20 > > sideband extends down to 625 kHz! > > > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Dec 14 08:46:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+ok1K+81+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28407 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 16:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2005 16:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 16:46:51 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.125]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 35845001 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:46:18 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c600ce$87d230c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <1134375394.589.72338.m17@yahoogroups.com> <439E5057.8090308@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:50:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 3, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.212.125 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1752 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=xY0lczCUQ5-oiFaKtFSnJ8UmhJ8A3c9o-pkrxWb5KNG7qdor8QzX X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's a great letter, Tom. I hope there's enough interest down there to make it happen. Unfortunately I'm half a continent away so I doubt anything I'd say would have much impact. IIRC 610 is either pilot only or has shut it off entirely. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jacobsen" > My suggestion: > Since your format is mostly music, would you be interested in > transmitting in stereo? > There is a active group of dedicated people that love listening to high > fidelity CQuam stereo AM stations with a music format. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Dec 14 09:12:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+ok1K+81+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40942 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 17:12:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2005 17:12:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 17:12:39 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.125]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 35851919 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:09:01 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c600d1$b2ad3b20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20051213161329.33553.qmail@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:12:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 3, in=5, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.212.125 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A while before we can hear HD-R X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=lYJa78IUAzGKLoSoyQj-Iu3nzjUpq63K9c061T5nWtKHMH5Tc2xa X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude This reminds me- I've got to pester Greg Buchwald over at Moto for the CQuAM decoding software. If the Radiosophy has any sort of USB port, and IIRC it does, this could be loaded into it to make it decode existing AM stereo stations. BTW- this radio has been advertised for nearly a year and it STILL isn't out??? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > > As we've reported, Radiosophy says it won't ship its Multistream HD Radios > "before February." From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Dec 14 09:16:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+ok1K+81+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63820 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 17:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2005 17:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 17:16:17 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.125]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 35851870 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:08:49 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c600d1$ac8e2740$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:08:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 3, in=4, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.212.125 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A while before we can hear HD-R X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=tCFjSa9AVeWutMpO48gZKD5p1sXYmXyyUdxqMzot8n3kr_kmJrYV X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's great news, Bob. If your processor is a 9100, I'd check with Orban to see if the stereo upgrades are still going to be available. They are planning on producing a new digital processor with AM stereo capability sometime early next year when the 9100 will be discontinued. The upgrade isn't cheap, however- something like $1900. Perhaps you can convince management to shell out for the new 9400. Please keep us posted on your progress. I've got an idea to hopefully get my stations stereo too, or at least a step closer. I still need to climb one of the towers at my remote site to see how good a view of downtown Minneapolis it has, but I'm betting I won't have to climb too high to get it. I know I already have a decent view from what used to be an STL tower behind the studio building. Then I'll try to convince management to shell out (maybe a capital expenditure project) to get one of those licence-free 1W 5.8GHz digital STL systems Mosely has and then bounce the signal off of the downtown skyscrapers to the other site. I think management will be happy to get rid of that troublesome T-1 line we have now. I'd still have to upgrade the processors too, unless I could get some used CRL stuff on the cheap to switch in and out when we air local programs. National feeds are all mono, so no point in being stereo full time. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Welch" > I'll be moving on over to the St-Johnsbury Lyndonville, VT area in > January where I hope I can sneak the ST light on my TM-152. WSTJ > has a Nautel which is equiped with the switch inside the cabinet. > I'd be then trying to get other parts of the air chain in stereo. > Right now the Optimod is a mono. I just want to make sure the > bandwidth is proper at least. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 14 11:06:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68339 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 19:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2005 19:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52005.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 19:06:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 4841 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2005 19:05:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20051214190559.4839.qmail@web52005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [38.100.146.10] by web52005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:05:59 PST Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:05:59 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF , ABDX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: JNR Subject: WPRO/630 goes IBOC...blecch. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=8-WMIGnwhn8ezpjr1xut8WjmLI1Ptk39Xx-yFW99nTdXVNfRbrUE X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio As of this morning, WPRO (AM) switched on their IBOC signal meaning that there are now TWO IBOC hashers in R.I. on A.M.. It sounds like a damn power line is constantly underneath it. Less hash than WHJJ but still sounds awful. 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From starship_2001@msn.com Wed Dec 14 18:38:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22073 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2005 02:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2005 02:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2005 02:38:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:38:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.18 by BAY106-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:38:02 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:38:02 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 02:38:03.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[928DB6E0:01C60120] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPRO/630 goes IBOC...blecch. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=4KDmk04aRv5_cHvK4tTY3y9OBzil66ZYZyjywNtuZrCf1JJ-IdnxM9r6Cg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 I just missed this. I hadn't checked them today but had kept checking from time to time. I had just checked yesterday. Now i have 630,710,920 and 1030 running it. -----Original Message----- From: JNR Sent: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:05:59 -0800 To: AMSF, ABDX Subject: {AMSF} WPRO/630 goes IBOC...blecch. As of this morning, WPRO (AM) switched on their IBOC signal meaning that there are now TWO IBOC hashers in R.I. on A.M.. It sounds like a damn power line is constantly underneath it. Less hash than WHJJ but still sounds awful. 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! 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Yes it's 15 years old but this VCR is in mint=20 condition and 100% working condition From tomjacobsen@bellsouth.net Thu Dec 15 19:45:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomjacobsen@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71120 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2005 03:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2005 03:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 03:45:51 -0000 Received: from ibm66aec.bellsouth.net ([68.219.123.225]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20051216034525.CMKX19287.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm66aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:45:25 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [68.219.123.225]) by ibm66aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20051216034525.TRD16531.ibm66aec.bellsouth.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:45:25 -0500 Message-ID: <43A23854.9070801@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:45:24 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1134634763.1858.3803.m17@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1134634763.1858.3803.m17@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 205.152.59.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Tom Jacobsen Subject: Re: WMLB Atlanta stereo suggestion. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=235290470; y=qjzkShKRRC4tPVE_UJSB3bLPTtcLRcH-kNSsGVokBTPeFA X-Yahoo-Profile: jacobst Unfortunately, WMLB said that they already invested in IBOC. IBOC does me no darn good as I am some ways from the transmitter. As I understand it, you need a strong signal to receive IBOC (is this true?) I am wondering how long it will take before the industry has DRM inbeded in the IBOC signal and start pay-radio on what is supposed to be a free broadcast band. As for the 610kHz Atlanta station, I remember when I used to hear it in stereo in my Dodge Pickup with the Infinity stereo. That was the last radio I had with Stereo AM. I didn't realize that they are not stereo anymore. "and then there was none...." From: "Scott Todd" That's a great letter, Tom. I hope there's enough interest down there to make it happen. Unfortunately I'm half a continent away so I doubt anything I'd say would have much impact. IIRC 610 is either pilot only or has shut it off entirely. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jacobsen" >> My suggestion: >> Since your format is mostly music, would you be interested in >> transmitting in stereo? >> There is a active group of dedicated people that love listening to high >> fidelity CQuam stereo AM stations with a music format. > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 22:07:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88583 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2005 06:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2005 06:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 06:07:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 06:06:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 06:06:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 06:06:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:06:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.224.20 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Alfa Romeo AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=vv4lZpiGC7v7NfBJ0LbbVtbpnd66md3nq1hBdVmqzlioqChzqg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here's an interesting discovery... this looks just like a Chrysler=20 Infinity radio, except it's in a 1991 Alfa Romeo 164 and has the Alfa Romeo logo on it. Since all digital-tuning Chrysler radios from=20 1985 to 1992 were equipped with AM Stereo, I'd say there's a great=20 chance this one has AM Stereo as well: http://photos.ebizautos.com/5211/824525_12.jpg Here's the car I found it in: http://cgi1.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D4596498948 From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 06:20:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24727 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2005 14:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2005 14:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 14:20:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 32778 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2005 14:19:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20051216141920.32776.qmail@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.5.219.153] by web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:19:20 PST Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:19:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <43A23854.9070801@bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WMLB Atlanta stereo suggestion. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=RN-hLzn45b_h_lpjbq98BquszorYJ_VQ2bLQgvlmaf8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Jacobsen wrote: > Unfortunately, WMLB said that they already invested > in IBOC. IBOC does me no darn good as I am some > ways from the transmitter. As I understand it, you > need a strong signal to receive IBOC (is this true?) > I am wondering how long it will take before the > industry has DRM inbeded in the IBOC signal and > start pay-radio on what is supposed to be a free > broadcast band. Well WMLB tried IBOC earlier. There were LOTS of complaints that it (!!) interfered with 1190 and it got turned off. When I drove through Atlanta when it was on, the music being played [when they were running IBOC] was JUST unlistenable. Talk was just unpleasant to listen to even for a short while. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Dec 16 14:21:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+c7gx+83+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28549 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2005 22:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2005 22:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 22:21:07 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.135]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 36719077 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:17:14 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c6028f$162d8a60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20051214190559.4839.qmail@web52005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:20:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.211.135 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPRO/630 goes IBOC...blecch. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=0XluBznlOqilCCnGQhuD1vBXApDCtlMLg9xN_E2lYKfdpo5Oysjz X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Why not call both stations and let them know you've noticed? Don't act like you know a whole lot, but ask why it sounds like there's always a noisy power line interfering with their signal? Then they can start wondering if it was worth it and possibly pull the plug. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > As of this morning, WPRO (AM) switched on their > IBOC signal meaning that there are now TWO IBOC > hashers in R.I. on A.M.. It sounds like a damn > power line is constantly underneath it. Less > hash than WHJJ but still sounds awful. From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Dec 16 14:26:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91249 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2005 22:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2005 22:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.75) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 22:26:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:25:51 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.11 by BAY106-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:25:50 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:25:50 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2005 22:25:51.0401 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABE33190:01C6028F] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.75 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPRO/630 goes IBOC...blecch. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=rQGtn9hPpP5fTrXaNFSDGH8XPP2NUEAYcfPxXIF7bAbP9Ix7ixvC4TWwOw X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 WHJJ one of them has had the IBOC off since sometime yesterday. I last checked them this AM and it was still off. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd Sent: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:20:29 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPRO/630 goes IBOC...blecch. Why not call both stations and let them know you've noticed? Don't act like you know a whole lot, but ask why it sounds like there's always a noisy power line interfering with their signal? Then they can start wondering if it was worth it and possibly pull the plug. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > As of this morning, WPRO (AM) switched on their > IBOC signal meaning that there are now TWO IBOC > hashers in R.I. on A.M.. It sounds like a damn > power line is constantly underneath it. Less > hash than WHJJ but still sounds awful. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Dec 18 10:04:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21024 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2005 18:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2005 18:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2005 18:04:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2005 18:04:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2005 18:04:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:04:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.40.166 From: "Dave" Subject: When did 2CH drop AMS ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=5CAVw8fSE1iVckaXJ8wHKZbchhhe9ygYm5ECoscevFwJJV1XNw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Lsitening lately to this station via a new type of wi-fi radio, when=20 did it drop stereo on 1170 ? 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2005 22:13:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2005 22:13:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:13:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.83.118.54 From: "wnjo960" Subject: Chrysler AM stereo radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159836599; y=AA1LzxRkuDJvhP5g4BJoD8lfzTTZJWEnsWTj3WW7XpQ4LQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wnjo960 Im looking at buying a Chrysler radio, but dont know if has AM ST or not. It's a tape model, but not an Infinity. Its a CD changer control model with the joystick. Anyone know if it has AM ST? Thanks! From dav259@csiro.au Sun Dec 18 14:28:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65723 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2005 22:28:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2005 22:28:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au) (150.229.64.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2005 22:28:40 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au ([138.194.10.10]) by vic-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au with ESMTP; 19 Dec 2005 09:28:19 +1100 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,266,1131282000"; d="scan'208"; a="62320081:sNHT191519398" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBIMSIMx000730 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:28:18 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:28:18 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} When did 2CH drop AMS ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033; y=sp8zJKhRukgjcQ_mnTpwv_SEnpN90sc_lD--mfxtLg-W X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, Dave wrote: > Listening lately to this station via a new type of wi-fi > radio, when did it drop stereo on 1170 ? Some time in the late 90s. On my visit in 2000 and the only Sydney station in full AMS was 954 2UE, but you call also get 2HD from Newcastle in AMS. Ian From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 18 14:39:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96859 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2005 22:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2005 22:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51614.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.126) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2005 22:39:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 84622 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2005 22:39:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20051218223924.84620.qmail@web51614.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.111.224.20] by web51614.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:39:24 PST Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:39:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Tekel Subject: Fwd: Chrysler AM stereo radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=tbD13h4rEPaIZG57ccGtv4Dm5hLbbIoL5DYg8v3aawMKP5bK4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- Tom Lawler wrote: > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:37:56 -0500 > From: Tom Lawler > To: kevtronics@yahoo.com > Subject: Chrysler AM stereo radio > > Kevin, > > I was wondering if you knew if a certain Chrysler radio had AM ST. > It's a AM/FM cassette, 2 band eq, CD changer controls built in, and a > joystick to control balance/fade. > > Here's a picture of it: > http://tinypic.com/iqviis.jpg > > Thanks! > -- > Tom Lawler > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Thread-Index: AcYD/YluyJ09EKo1RxiBFClaFrVzUwAKKdug To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2005 22:47:52.0275 (UTC) FILETIME=[14041230:01C60425] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: Digital Radio News from Oz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=aiR2NDYb9sQWkUVzA3KFxkJgs0DlVYVkac0HEY3X__fJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 The Commercial Radio industry is commemorating the ongoing success of the S= ydney digital radio trial with the Minister's announcement of a digital rad= io policy framework, and the birth of the world's first picture radio. We a= re celebrating our ongoing collaboration with the national broadcasters ABC= and SBS and are working with the international forums and Australian Gover= nment to bring digital radio services to Australians as quickly as possible= .=20 =20 Digital Radio Policy Framework Announcement ------------------------------------------- The Commercial Radio industry welcomed the Federal Government's announcemen= t that it will clear the way for the introduction of digital radio broadcas= ting in Australia. Federal Communications Minister the Hon. Helen Coonan an= nounced the Government's policy framework at the Commercial Radio industry'= s 2005 National Radio Conference on October 14. =20 CEO of Commercial Radio Australia, Joan Warner, said the industry was pleas= ed the government had recognised the importance of digital radio to the ind= ustry's future but there needed to be more discussion about details of the = policy. "There are some elements of this policy that need a lot more discus= sion. We want to ensure the amount of spectrum allocated to commercial radi= o allows us to provide the additional services and features that are necess= ary to take full advantage of the technology and drive consumer uptake. "Th= e Minister acknowledged our views and concerns in her speech and we are ple= ased consideration will be given to providing financial assistance for regi= onal commercial broadcasters for the rollout." Read the Minister's speech h= ere. Details of the policy framework here. =20 Please note: The "Digital Radio Australia" trials are being conducted by Di= gital Radio Broadcasting Australia Pty Ltd (DRBA) as a test transmission in= accordance with the spectrum allocation rules of the Commonwealth Governme= nt. Accordingly, DRBA and its strategic partners do not give any warranties= or provide any guarantees that the current test will be allowed to extend = past the 18 months period of its test licence nor that receivers used durin= g the trial period will be able to be used once the full roll-out begins. =20 The Picture Radio ----------------- At the 2005 National Radio Conference, the Commercial Radio industry unveil= ed the world's first prototype digital radio capable of displaying pictures= . The groundbreaking prototype, called the "Aussie" DAB Picture Radio, will= allow consumers to hear radio programs in CD-quality sound, while seeing b= roadcast images of their favourite artist, news reports or weather maps on = a colour screen. Commercial Radio Australia developed the prototype in part= nership with Inventec Electronics, a subsidiary of global electronics manuf= acturer Inventec. The receiver was designed so that it could theoretically = retail on the mass market for $400. =20 Key features of the radio include: =B7 320 by 240 pixel backlit colour LCD screen.=20 =B7 The screen can also be used to display a slide show of personal photos = from an SD card. =B7 Rewind function enabling the user to rewind and playback the last five = minutes of live radio. =B7 The ability to record a program segment to an SD card and playback on m= p3. =B7 Auto tune function to select stations by name from a menu. =20 The picture radio received significant coverage in the mainstream media, in= cluding the November edition of The Australian's IT lift-out section. More = here. =20 Spectrum Restrictions for Digital Radio --------------------------------------- At its inaugural conference in November, the Australian Communications and = Media Authority announced its intentions concerning restrictions on spectru= m to facilitate the introduction of digital radio services. ACMA has now he= eded the radio industry's longstanding request that it quarantine spectrum = for digital radio.=20 =20 Digital radio in Australia will initially make use of the Eureka 147 DAB st= andard, which will require VHF Band III spectrum for wide-coverage applicat= ions and L Band for infill coverage. At a later date, it appears highly lik= ely that a dual standard will emerge, with Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM) usi= ng MW frequencies which will provide wider-coverage terrestrial services in= regional areas. =20 UK News ------- Digital radio listening hits 10.5% of all radio listening in the UK Radio listening in the UK over digital services has doubled in a year accor= ding to a new report from Rajar. Digital listening accounts for 10.5% of al= l radio listening in the UK, compared with 5.9% in 2004. And, according to = Rajar, 10.5% of homes own a digital radio, compared to 4.5% last year.=20 =20 The UK's Digital Radio Development Bureau (DRDB) anticipates sales of 500,0= 00 this Christmas, enabling sales of digital radios in the UK to "nudge" th= e three million mark. "It took three or four years for sales of digital set= s to reach one million, it then took 11 months to get that to two million. = It now looks like it will only take about four months to get to three milli= on sales," said the DRDB. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 19 04:34:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45902 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2005 12:34:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2005 12:34:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52011.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.94) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2005 12:34:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 78618 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Dec 2005 12:34:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20051219123425.78616.qmail@web52011.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [38.100.146.10] by web52011.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:34:25 PST Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:34:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPRO/630 goes IBOC...blecch. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=0AgFv-R2eZAlnJzP6uMZRgG9BGUAt0WtY8GYJxRdS5pAyQwzgE_i X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I can't do that because I either am or have worked for both companies. Currently I'm a nighttime board-op @ WPRO as well as other places. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wnmb@sc.rr.com Mon Dec 19 16:53:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52618 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2005 00:53:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2005 00:53:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2005 00:53:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2005 00:53:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2005 00:53:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:53:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "WNMB Radio" Subject: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=A5ls1Q8HnZueA5dHvjzxBCqJLIex1_6x8lnHhXgGjBOcTg X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 At 3:30 p.m. today eastern time, we activated our new Delta AM=20 Stereo Exciter at WNMB. Pilot lights on the AM Stereo Tuners came=20 on and the channel separation was immediately evident as "All I Want=20 For Christmas" became the first song played in AM Stereo. Here's the audio chain. Stereo BE console to a Stereo Generator,=20 which is fed into a new Armstrong Composite STL. The STL is=20 received on the companion Armstrong receiver at our transmitter site=20 which is about 5 miles inland from the studios. From the STL to an=20 Optimod 9100A AM stereo processor and the Delta AM Stereo exciter=20 and, of course, then to the Gates One Transmitter. We are using a companion Delta AM Stereo Modulation Monitor. We've got some "tweaking" to do before I will be satisfied with the=20 sound, but I do believe it's already better than what I've heard=20 from IBOC in "aircheck" recordings which friends have sent to me. The internet broadcasts we are doing at www.wnmb.net have already=20 been in stereo. They come from the stereo console output to an=20 Optimod to the dedicated Streaming computer, which is grabbed by=20 Warpradio and then streamed. Give me a few days to do my tuning and then we'll be happy to e-mail=20 airchecks on mp3 files to anyone who would request one. We have=20 about half a dozen different kinds of AM Stereo receivers including=20 Sony SRF a-100, a-1, Marantz, Radio Shack tm-152, A Ford=20 Thunderbird with AM Stereo and several others should you have a=20 specific request. We are also in the process of writing others we know who own AM=20 Stations and urging them to do what we've just done.=20 Bill Norman, WNMB 429 Pine St. North Myrtle Beach, S.C. 29582 www.wnmb.net From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 20 06:11:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46138 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2005 14:11:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2005 14:11:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.159) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2005 14:11:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 77175 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2005 14:10:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20051220141008.77173.qmail@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:10:08 PST Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:10:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1135068210.786.21105.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: "WNMB Radio in genuine AM Stereo" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=RTj_lj0va2RxTUp3tNlFeoavdtniJNliMfpjoKAFGgff-bi-QIDqVio X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio What an appropriate song: "All I Want For Christmas" That IS all we want for Christmas - AM radio stations that truly care about putting out a nice decent high-quality audio signal without butchering the station 20 KHz down the dial. Congratulations on putting a nice signal into the airwaves. Great Job Bill ! Does WNMB take 'requests'? How about the nice stereo separation of the Ray Conniff Singers' Frosty the Snowman? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wnmb@sc.rr.com Tue Dec 20 09:12:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14324 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2005 17:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2005 17:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2005 17:12:40 -0000 Received: from BillNorman (rrcs-24-199-186-206.midsouth.biz.rr.com [24.199.186.206]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id jBKEF5fU005231 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:15:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000a01c6056f$dccd7940$6501a8c0@BillNorman> To: References: <20051220141008.77173.qmail@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:15:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "WNMB" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "WNMB Radio in genuine AM Stereo" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=4R1bXmu2OqVIvPn-SMoUEGpjurc1NPTeA41R2zBmWFTw4g X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, Thanks so much. Ray Coniff, Frosty and others in AM Stereo are headed in your direction. wnmb Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Tue Dec 20 16:37:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49033 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2005 00:37:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2005 00:37:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au) (150.229.64.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2005 00:37:09 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au ([138.194.10.10]) by vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au with ESMTP; 21 Dec 2005 11:36:53 +1100 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,277,1131282000"; d="scan'208"; a="62593839:sNHT68551232" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBL0apMx029796 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:36:52 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:36:51 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ian Davidson Subject: 2GB digital radios for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033; y=d82IqiSsyAR6TeyFJQwuvyBLp2SRbd4MyfqS5_nUv5Yd X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Finally an Oz station is making it possible to listen to the DAB trials and is selling Sanyo radios. That's Life. http://2gb.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=30 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 20 18:16:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27860 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2005 02:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2005 02:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2005 02:16:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2005 02:14:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2005 02:14:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2005 02:14:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:14:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.224.20 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=CU1IGlrHEeQBhAyE35A7KLJbIv6CT0HMOKFe7CtrFk7hUPVByQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > At 3:30 p.m. today eastern time, we activated our new Delta AM=20 > Stereo Exciter at WNMB. Pilot lights on the AM Stereo Tuners came=20 > on and the channel separation was immediately evident as "All I > Want For Christmas" became the first song played in AM Stereo. Bill, congrats on getting WNMB upgraded to AM Stereo. I just forwarded your announcement message to Paul McLane, editor of Radio World magazine (www.radioworld.com). Hopefully this will help spread the word about the beautiful AM Stereo sound you have put so much effort into creating. Meanwhile, I think WNMB's listeners just got their Christmas/Hanukkah present from you, a few days early! From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 22 02:19:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41013 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2005 10:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2005 10:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.208) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2005 10:19:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 85658 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2005 10:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimki7d0blvp5d) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.142.231.17 with login) by smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2005 10:17:28 -0000 Message-ID: <001901c606ce$efaf71c0$b174fea9@jimki7d0blvp5d> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:08:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: Am Stereo is gone in Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=BQa8hlOo6USsFQn4FzN9ZGvQ0uLu83QQoAkMyh93uKig8aprCcH6FqjYzLTRsV9KhIhzpnnA X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I have bad new from Sacramento Ca. KCTC AM mono 1320 is now on the air. I had turned to them Dec 21 2005 and thay are now in mono. Thay went talk any way so no bigy. Talk to you all soon. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Dec 22 08:44:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25826 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2005 16:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2005 16:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm43.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2005 16:44:14 -0000 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.65]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBMGhQan001828 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:43:27 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.76.217.30] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-68-76-217-30.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.76.217.30]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id jBMGhLHk015200 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:43:26 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c60716$d49446c0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <001901c606ce$efaf71c0$b174fea9@jimki7d0blvp5d> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:43:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0551-3, 12/22/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Holiday Cheer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=f_I0a4RLFAqJjbnYdjSzb-nhglQiTaAsmCSqvUBaNFvtra0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 A day late and a dollar short... Happy Winter Solstice to all who observe the holiday (I'm trying to be diverse) -Jim- From radio603@malmo2.net Fri Dec 23 08:03:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio603@malmo2.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69724 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2005 16:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2005 16:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.bredband2.net) (82.209.166.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2005 16:03:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 11269 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2005 16:00:43 -0000 Received: from mkb-145-45-209-82.3.cust.bredband2.com (HELO malmoe) ([82.209.145.45]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.bredband2.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Dec 2005 16:00:43 -0000 Message-ID: <000601c607da$48004500$2d91d152@malmoe> To: Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:02:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 82.209.166.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "Roy" Subject: GOD JUL MERRY X-MAS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195882801; y=m2eLZUhyO24hd32_jybEKiGcV9q_xMHh_eohtGi1HuB6wEs X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit GOD JUL TILL ER ALLA MERRY X-MAS TO YOU ALL Best regards from Roy Sandgren www.radio603.info.se [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Fri Dec 23 15:10:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28881 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2005 23:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2005 23:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au) (150.229.64.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2005 23:09:59 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au ([138.194.10.10]) by vic-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au with ESMTP; 24 Dec 2005 10:08:57 +1100 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,292,1131282000"; d="scan'208"; a="62956094:sNHT30332388" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBNN8pMx027082; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:08:51 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:08:51 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Magic 693 Stream For the Weekend (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033; y=tHoqdX7AIIoLrhDvrNP-937iUmYKicsLlmQCxs5W3ecX X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Wombat from aus.radio.broadcast is streaming Magic 693 this weekend so that some outside Melbourne will be able to hear the annual Carols By Candlelight broadcast, and other Christmas music. It's on live at 5 am US-east coast time Christmas eve - but will be replayed at 7 pm US-east coast Christmas eve. The address is mss://liveradio.no-ip.info:693/ I can't get it to work ... but that's not unusual. :) Merry Christmas to All Ian ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:21:57 +1100 From: Robert Rickard To: Ian.Davidson Subject: Magic 693 Stream For the Weekend Surf Vic Radio G'day Ian, I'd thought you would like to know that we've put up a Magic 693 stream for the weekend, so Listening to Carols By Candlelight will now be possible online We've put it at the following address mss://liveradio.no-ip.info:693/ - Whack that into WMP Even though we've put it in 32kbps Stereo, the reciever I have isnt Stereo. If I could find one, then it would be a different story All the best for the festive season mate From Robert | snvic@bigpond.net.au | Melbourne | http://www.surfnetvictoria.com From dav259@csiro.au Fri Dec 23 22:35:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2422 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2005 06:35:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2005 06:35:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au) (150.229.64.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2005 06:35:56 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au ([138.194.10.10]) by vic-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au with ESMTP; 24 Dec 2005 17:35:56 +1100 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,292,1131282000"; d="scan'208"; a="62986340:sNHT28767024" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBO6ZsMx012870; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:35:55 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:35:54 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: Magic 693 Stream For the Weekend (fwd) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033; y=wl_HYmQvXApr3xnjsgb-23f8EktiJ_qz47-9LIUzSDJL X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 The correct address is: mms://liveradio.no-ip.info:693/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:55:40 +1100 From: Robert Rickard To: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: Magic 693 Stream For the Weekend G'day Ian, I just had a look at the address, and found the typo mms://liveradio.no-ip.info:693/ Enjoy and Merry Christmas to you From Robert | snvic@bigpond.net.au | Melbourne | http://www.surfnetvictoria.com From amstereoexp@yahoo.com Sat Dec 24 01:47:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoexp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81173 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2005 09:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2005 09:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web32905.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.52) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2005 09:47:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 61480 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 2005 09:47:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20051224094747.61478.qmail@web32905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.111.224.20] by web32905.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:47:47 PST Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:47:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Tekel Subject: Fwd: Comment from The AM STEREO Web Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78550888; y=7m70MKCkNYOA5cPc9V9kCmtZkxBtQllIHLmEU5op4iW64KwZzjM X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoexp --- SCOTT HIGBEE wrote: > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:10:44 -0800 (PST) > From: SCOTT HIGBEE > Subject: Comment from The AM STEREO Web Site20Web Site > To: amstereoexp@yahoo.com > > I just wanted to drop a line to let you know WMFN-640 has returned to > AM Stereo. The format of the station is R&B. > > WMFN-AM 640 Zeeland/Grand Rapids, Michigan > > Scott Higbee > Marne, Mi > __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Dec 24 04:22:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68807 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2005 12:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2005 12:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2005 12:22:42 -0000 Received: from [4.247.123.133] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Eq8Pk-0001o2-Rf for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:22:21 -0500 Message-ID: <380-2200512624122227796@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.108.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:22:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bccd02ca2044140f90ff5bbbca96b05747350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: MERRY CHRISTMAS ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=I_iJbdR_3bVgLQQ1dK8jZcYKGF68tws89A9cgFBqOKjuDw Merry Christmas to everyone around the world! Happy Hanukkah to all our Jewish members and friends! Dick W. From starship_2001@msn.com Sat Dec 24 08:45:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85464 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2005 16:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2005 16:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2005 16:45:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 08:45:52 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.15 by BAY106-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:45:51 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:45:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2005 16:45:52.0394 (UTC) FILETIME=[806FBEA0:01C608A9] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} MERRY CHRISTMAS ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=Wg8XwMQw1pVlxCj0UbwC2C9LWwSIlEB0DF2_52Jj6t9qfhkLX3I0AuHALQ X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit same to you and all. -----Original Message----- From: Dick W Sent: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 04:22:27 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} MERRY CHRISTMAS ! Merry Christmas to everyone around the world! Happy Hanukkah to all our Jewish members and friends! Dick W. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditpro@charter.net Sat Dec 24 09:00:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91686 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2005 17:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2005 17:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf40.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.172) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2005 17:00:05 -0000 Received: from mxip30a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip30a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.189]) by mxsf40.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jBOGwitq015985 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:58:44 -0500 Received: from 68-115-176-160.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([68.115.176.160]) by mxip30a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2005 11:58:44 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,292,1131339600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="574967895:sNHT22927304" Message-ID: <000f01c608ab$4bcb91e0$a0b07344@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:58:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: WABC Oldies Show X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=a1jSMJ13rimk004cA7zVpKbEPPFysQbQWQ7cut0BEJLxHjid3wsv1ybRHh4l X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings. I've been reading about WABC's new weekend Oldies show in the trades. Are they still broadcasting in C-Quam? If so, is there any chance that someone might record a couple of those and make them available for air-check trading? Happy Holidays! :) Joe Collins [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wnmb@sc.rr.com Sat Dec 24 11:05:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59395 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2005 19:05:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2005 19:05:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.223) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2005 19:05:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n3.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2005 19:04:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2005 19:04:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2005 19:04:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:04:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: A Christmas Poem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=Dc0H0phuHebq1oU0xBq_M3sth0ukTnBfKuhtf6siHwwHpQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Twas the night before Christmas, and all through the station, most=20 all was quiet,=20 except for the news of the nation. Stockings were hung by the=20 studio with great care, hoping St. Nicholas would soon be there. All at once, from the transmitter there came an awful clatter. I=20 rushed to see what was the matter. Inside was a grinch who could to AM Radio do great=20 harm.=20=20=20=20=20 His name was IBOC and he danced with glee, proclaiming his digital transmission was just made for=20 me! He sang "You don't need analog anymore, just start transmitting my IBOC roar." Being tired and feeling the Spirit of Christmas had passed me by, I=20 went to bed thinking=20 there had come another reason for AM Radio to die. Then from the Control room there came shouts of glee. The real=20 Santa Claus had arrived and he had remembered me! From his bright red sleigh, Santa sang with joy, "Wait until you=20 hear what I've got for you my boy!" Then Santa produced a new AM Stereo Exciter installing it=20 in a flash while singing=20 "this won't cost you so very much cash". Then to my wondering ears did appear, stereo sound so bright and=20 clear. I knew indeed the real St. Nick was here!=20=20=20 From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Dec 24 11:59:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12329 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2005 19:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2005 19:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.198.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2005 19:59:49 -0000 Received: from n1zzn (c-24-218-84-51.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.84.51]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005122419004101300c4tsne>; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:00:41 +0000 To: Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:58:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <000f01c608ab$4bcb91e0$a0b07344@yourfd6nvjcer4> Thread-Index: AcYIq35qTFaR2EjmT82mwP7I2T0UPQAEHMdA X-Originating-IP: 204.127.198.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jeff Lehmann" Subject: RE: {AMSF} WABC Oldies Show X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394; y=Cgg97Lb1QRE87dU8Cq7Rv0aj0dAqk6i6b6oLkoMg2tw X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think WABC ever broadcast in C-Quam stereo. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA >-----Original Message----- >From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] >On Behalf Of Joe Collins >Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 11:59 AM >To: AM Stereo Forum >Subject: {AMSF} WABC Oldies Show > >Greetings. > >I've been reading about WABC's new weekend Oldies show in the trades. Are >they still broadcasting in C-Quam? If so, is there any chance that someone >might record a couple of those and make them available for air-check >trading? > >Happy Holidays! > >:) > >Joe Collins > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kjones_731@yahoo.com Sat Dec 24 12:30:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9801 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2005 20:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2005 20:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81909.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.188) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2005 20:30:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 30215 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 2005 20:30:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20051224203041.30213.qmail@web81909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.223.174.250] by web81909.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:30:41 PST Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:30:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kirk Jones Subject: RE: {AMSF} WABC Oldies Show X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=Rus9Ol2wx_SbWnh6_5FeTy_XydvuabGrl4W8oZ_aRD4i62U79g X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 No show tonight. Doing a special New Years Eve. No Stereo tho. > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > From kya1260@lycos.com Sat Dec 24 14:01:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86413 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2005 22:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2005 22:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2005 22:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 98A6F1800294 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:01:11 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 24 Dec 2005 22:01:11 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 91FBDE5BC7; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:01:11 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:01:11 -0800 Received: from [70.133.187.161] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:01:11 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051224220111.91FBDE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} MERRY CHRISTMAS ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=bl3J2E8KRUzfR0WrGglvVJrGrOnMCLR4aGPUR5S7Mrm7t7VldQ X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Ditto from Napa Valley, California! Merry Xmas and no trix in '06! --jay kvyn/kvon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norbert 26" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} MERRY CHRISTMAS ! Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:45:51 GMT >=20 > same to you and all. >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dick W > Sent: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 04:22:27 -0800 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} MERRY CHRISTMAS ! >=20 > Merry Christmas to everyone around the world! >=20 > Happy Hanukkah to all our Jewish members and friends! >=20 > Dick W. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 24 19:40:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15403 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2005 03:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2005 03:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2005 03:40:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2005 03:40:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2005 03:40:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 03:40:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.224.20 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=bYRU7QhlFcNzxPMMcoYtbG8bdawEy8SEohdNZ_Cw4K_lfSjGGg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Bill, congrats on getting WNMB upgraded to AM Stereo. I just > forwarded your announcement message to Paul McLane, editor of > Radio World magazine (www.radioworld.com). Hopefully this will > help spread the word about the beautiful AM Stereo sound you have > put so much effort into creating. And now we have it, right in time for the holidays! "S.C. Station Touts Its AM Stereo, Urges Others to Join In" http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=3D8241 If any of you have a favorite station which recently shut off their AM Stereo, I say you should print out that article, attach a hand- written note, and mail it to them. Sure, you could just e-mail it to=20 them, but especially in this day and age, the extra effort of writing=20 and mailing a letter will make your message seem more sincere. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 24 21:32:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65349 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2005 05:32:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2005 05:32:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2005 05:32:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2005 05:32:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2005 05:32:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 05:32:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.224.20 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} WABC Oldies Show X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=9OS7VCp-eUDf3BTTvJsYlnTukpSRsLPWi2Q7fqHPmyrwNg_yWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think WABC ever > broadcast in C-Quam stereo. As of 1997, they had the equipment installed (including two C-Quam=20 exciters and two C-Quam modulation monitors), but weren't using it on=20 the air. I got my first AM Stereo receiver in March 1995, and since=20 then, I have never heard 770 WABC transmitting any kind of AM Stereo=20 signal. From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sun Dec 25 09:13:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30129 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2005 17:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2005 17:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2005 17:13:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2005 17:13:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2005 17:13:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:13:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.213.19 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=USGuRg73MICFcAoCZ8J_O1vQjN_7T72dfIH8Y85ohPwqk_CZQBMbsg X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > Bill, congrats on getting WNMB upgraded to AM Stereo. I just > > forwarded your announcement message to Paul McLane, editor of > > Radio World magazine (www.radioworld.com). Hopefully this will > > help spread the word about the beautiful AM Stereo sound you have > > put so much effort into creating. >=20 > And now we have it, right in time for the holidays! >=20 > "S.C. Station Touts Its AM Stereo, Urges Others to Join In" > http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=3D8241 >=20 > If any of you have a favorite station which recently shut off their > AM Stereo, I say you should print out that article, attach a hand- > written note, and mail it to them. Sure, you could just e-mail it to=20 > them, but especially in this day and age, the extra effort of writing=20 > and mailing a letter will make your message seem more sincere. > It's great to see WNMB bucking the trend and actually touting AM stereo. I= doubt any of=20 the AM stations in LA would follow suit in spite of a write-in campaign. Al= though it=20 amazes me to see KABC 790 still broadcasting in C-Quam...the last hold out = in LA (if you=20 don't count Korean station KFOX 1650). The two things that AMS has over HD radio (well, it's a lot more than that)= is that, right=20 now, more people possess AMS-capable radios than HD radios (and will be tru= e for many=20 years to come) and it's a whole lot cheaper to convert to AMS then IBOC. = =20 Maybe that can convince station owners to take the AMS upgrade path. db From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 25 14:06:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69245 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2005 22:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2005 22:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2005 22:06:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2005 22:05:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2005 22:05:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:05:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.224.20 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=0EtWqiaCwJNv53yJYhZlax3Y7pbFxOo_myEqWowGJBcHM9aj6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The two things that AMS has over HD radio (well, it's a lot more > than that) is that, right now, more people possess AMS-capable > radios than HD radios (and will be true for many years to come) and > it's a whole lot cheaper to convert to AMS then IBOC. I wouldn't be surprised if there are hundreds of stations at which=20 the cost of converting to AM Stereo is zero, because they already=20 have all the equipment in place -- it's just sitting unused. After=20 all, if Leonard Kahn claims "over 100 stations" could be transmitting=20 his long-obsolete AM Stereo system "at the flick of a switch", then=20 surely there are many more stations equally ready to broadcast the=20 world-standard Motorola C-Quam system. All we really need is a push from one of the big broadcasting groups,=20 like Clear Channel or Infinity or ABC or Crawford. Indeed, five=20 years ago RDS on FM was dead as a doornail, but Clear Channel got the=20 bright idea to turn it back on and put it to use at almost all of=20 their major-market stations, and the rest of the industry has=20 followed suit. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 25 15:28:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62061 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2005 23:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2005 23:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.211) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2005 23:28:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 10162 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2005 23:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimpwblq3gbzie) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.143.4.0 with login) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2005 23:28:43 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c609aa$f19211d0$b174fea9@jimpwblq3gbzie> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 15:28:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Subject: Merry Xmas in Am Stereo land X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=tX7Mv08YZtt7dSHMQ59ytPmNtXRtj5d8jhw7wMpD7jcdtN-eHhJcAtTVmiE-Y81mlJyvpnXV X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Merry Xmas to all in AMS land. Jm Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sun Dec 25 17:13:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47080 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2005 01:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2005 01:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2005 01:13:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2005 01:13:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2005 01:13:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 01:13:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.213.19 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=Pu7dQIhaVblEQvTCGlQMR_N4yA12DpUwQruDY0CQbtBikHA5wUkNKg X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > All we really need is a push from one of the big broadcasting groups,=20 > like Clear Channel or Infinity or ABC or Crawford. Indeed, five=20 > years ago RDS on FM was dead as a doornail, but Clear Channel got the=20 > bright idea to turn it back on and put it to use at almost all of=20 > their major-market stations, and the rest of the industry has=20 > followed suit. > You're probably right, although given their vested interest in IBOC, we kno= w Clear Channel=20 will never push AMS. In addition to KABC, ABC-AM Radio, Inc. also owns KSPN= 710 in L.A.=20 but it's not an AMS station so I'm curious as to why they have KABC in ster= eo (not that I'm=20 complaining). I know some AM station owners are concerned about coverage loss when broadc= asting in=20 C-Quam, but KABC's 5kw signal blankets Los Angeles County and most of Orang= e and=20 Riverside Counties as well. It might also take the FCC to "just say no" regarding IBOC for AM in order = for station=20 owners to re-think AMS. For once I agree with Sweden when their government= stopped all=20 implimentation of digital for broadcast radio. db From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 26 19:12:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42427 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2005 03:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2005 03:12:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2005 03:12:10 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Er3Jo-0007JN-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:08:00 -0500 Message-ID: <00a301c60a81$fa1f92f0$6602a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:01:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Conversion to C-QUAM was: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=qNhM6qLqsj-E33uoQafbLwFl0LkUa_vWIjpI2veEs5ihNv_soUWGmQEbK66Izw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: > I wouldn't be surprised if there are hundreds of stations at which the > cost of converting to AM Stereo is zero, because they already have all the > equipment in place -- it's just sitting unused. Many stations such as WSM, WBZ and WGN have full blown operational C-QUAM systems on the backup transmitter, but their newer main transmitter may not be C-QUAM compatible without modification. Others like WQEW are like you said, just turned off. One flick of a switch, and they are in stereo. > > After all, if Leonard Kahn claims "over 100 stations" could be > transmitting his long-obsolete AM Stereo system "at the flick of a > switch", then surely there are many more stations equally ready to > broadcast the world-standard Motorola C-Quam system. Lenny is talking about the 100 or so stations that are using KAHN PowerSide. Since Powerside uses the very same exciter and mod monitor as KAHN ISB Stereo, all those stations would have to do is flip the switch from PowerSide mode to ISB Stereo, and they would be in business. Some PowerSide stations still have their 15Hz Stereo pilot turned on, so when you tune in with a Multi-mode radio, the audio is only in the left or right speaker! A few stations are still illegally operating in full KAHN ISB Stereo, and I know of a station here in Florida broadcasting in Harris V-CPM Stereo on the backup transmitter. They never sent their exciter back to be converted to C-QUAM compatible 25Hz Pilot. LOL KAHN ISB isn't obsolete because many stations use it in the PowerSide mode, and in a FEW cases, Powerside can help reception on an analog tuned radio. PowerSide can also help reception in heavy selective fading. For the most part, PowerSide is being marketed as a "Magic Box Cure-All" to "fix" poorly engineered or maintained antenna systems. In those cases the station would be much better off to use the money spent for a Kahn box to fix the Antenna Farm. > > All we really need is a push from one of the big broadcasting groups, like > Clear Channel or Infinity or ABC or Crawford. This is very unlikely due to the huge investment these companies have in Ibiquity. > > Indeed, five years ago RDS on FM was dead as a doornail, but Clear Channel > got the bright idea to turn it back on and put it to use at almost all of > their major-market stations, and the rest of the industry has followed > suit. The ONLY way I see this happening is if the FCC kills the AM version of HD-Radio and does not allow DRM. If the FCC does kill HD-Radio, in most cases, AM stations can switch from HD to DRM with just a simple software upgrade. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 26 20:22:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62855 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2005 04:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2005 04:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2005 04:22:24 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Er3Jn-0007JN-01 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:07:59 -0500 Message-ID: <00a201c60a81$f9c257c0$6602a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:16:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=efj4mt5jpi_NblbALSzy-U81RpYJvcO4SJCwAGBBuL8z0dwsE0jTqwT0l0zuuw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 dbdigital2004 wrote: >it's a whole lot cheaper to convert to AMS then IBOC. Not always. The same upgrades to the plant that are required to make HD Radio work are the same upgrades required to make C-QUAM work. Both HD Radio and C-QUAM require a phase stable, broadbanded transmitter, as well as a broadband antenna system. More often than not, the antenna farm upgrades are the biggest expense of an upgrade to C-QUAM or HD Radio. Both systems can require transmitter modifications or replacement. Most stations will also require replacement and / or re-wiring of the Studio equipment and STL for Stereo. The price of the exciter and mod monitor is just a small part of expense of upgrading to HD Radio or C-QUAM. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 26 20:39:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61353 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2005 04:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2005 04:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2005 04:39:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 04:38:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 04:38:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 04:38:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00a201c60a81$f9c257c0$6602a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.3.103 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=7EUFFbC7auKl86R8XZX_AmesdKCmwthZV3oM3HAOjX8xu8LD X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > The price of the exciter and mod monitor is just a small part of=20 > expense of upgrading to HD Radio or C-QUAM. Depends- Wou;d you rather spend less than $10k and no annual fees for=20 the use of the system on C-QUAM, or at least ~$100k with annual fees=20 paid to Ibiquity for the privilege of running IBOC.... At least antenna passbands are smaller with C-QUAM than needed for=20 IBOC... Both need clean IPM, though. That's the fun part. :) But yeah, some TXes just won't work with a C-QUAM exciter, so...=20 Wouldn't be good with IBOC, either, since IBOC uses QUAM to pass its=20 digital modulations. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Mon Dec 26 21:40:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85000 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2005 05:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2005 05:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2005 05:40:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 05:40:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 05:40:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 05:40:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.213.19 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=aCSUkj2ZAOJnLs2ow7xj_BWopYV0zyV3RgVE5lys7aRD3673xeXiyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 > wrote: >=20 >=20 > Depends- Wou;d you rather spend less than $10k and no annual fees for=20 > the use of the system on C-QUAM, or at least ~$100k with annual fees=20 > paid to Ibiquity for the privilege of running IBOC.... >=20 >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > That was what I was referring to, the initial cost of IBOC equipment (vs. C= -Quam) and the=20 ball and chain of iBiquity license fees. db From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Mon Dec 26 22:03:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98598 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2005 06:03:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2005 06:03:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2005 06:03:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 06:03:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 06:03:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 06:03:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.213.19 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=LOHPWHKdFcGK0nuyO1lWLpskQdJ5NiJwrc4el7wi76nX0yzThkhyTg X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" wrote= : > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote= : > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 > > wrote: > >=20 > >=20 > > Depends- Wou;d you rather spend less than $10k and no annual fees for=20 > > the use of the system on C-QUAM, or at least ~$100k with annual fees=20 > > paid to Ibiquity for the privilege of running IBOC.... > >=20 > >=20 > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > >=20 > That was what I was referring to, the initial cost of IBOC equipment (vs.= C-Quam) and=20 the=20 > ball and chain of iBiquity license fees. >=20 > db > BTW, there's a great thread going on over at the Radio-Info board on AMS. = =20 http://www.radio-info.com/mods/posts.php?Cat=3D&Board=3Dengineering It seems that some AM station owners are reconsidering their dormant C-Quam= =20 equipment and thinking of turning it back on. Part of this is based on the= Myrtle Beach=20 station and the other is a backlash to iBiquity and its underhanded campaig= n to push=20 IBOC. Wouldn't it be ironic if iBiquity unwittingly turned out to be the engine t= o drive AM station=20 owners back to AM stereo? db From starship_2001@msn.com Tue Dec 27 05:22:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 470 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2005 13:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2005 13:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.77) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2005 13:22:35 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 05:22:11 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.11 by BAY106-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:22:11 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:22:10 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2005 13:22:11.0918 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BB456E0:01C60AE8] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.77 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=eSLSLe680tgT9CuLuZWCGmect7wonLmURQTxuIYtxre1HjhRTaU6IFdJpA X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 We need receivers for in home use. -----Original Message----- From: dbdigital2004 Sent: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:03:04 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > > wrote: > > > > > > Depends- Wou;d you rather spend less than $10k and no annual fees for > > the use of the system on C-QUAM, or at least ~$100k with annual fees > > paid to Ibiquity for the privilege of running IBOC.... > > > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > That was what I was referring to, the initial cost of IBOC equipment (vs. C-Quam) and the > ball and chain of iBiquity license fees. > > db > BTW, there's a great thread going on over at the Radio-Info board on AMS. http://www.radio-info.com/mods/posts.php?Cat=&Board=engineering It seems that some AM station owners are reconsidering their dormant C-Quam equipment and thinking of turning it back on. Part of this is based on the Myrtle Beach station and the other is a backlash to iBiquity and its underhanded campaign to push IBOC. Wouldn't it be ironic if iBiquity unwittingly turned out to be the engine to drive AM station owners back to AM stereo? db Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 10:51:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48433 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2005 18:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2005 18:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2005 18:51:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 18:50:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 18:50:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 18:50:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:50:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.240 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=czibhze2dJtf0SrvdFJBu2QEcRcciJLYYIF00Sf91RcQyOnd X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26" =20 wrote: > > We need receivers for in home use. *points direction of http://www.meduci.com :) * Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomray@wor710.com Tue Dec 27 13:20:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22439 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2005 21:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2005 21:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2005 21:20:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 21:20:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 21:19:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:19:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=nwXIFBYJAcNgaxeQjFa5UV1xQ1AaTAXQYMXSXtaq47DMTQ4Z X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > >=20 > Depends- Wou;d you rather spend less than $10k and no annual fees for=20 > the use of the system on C-QUAM, or at least ~$100k with annual fees=20 > paid to Ibiquity for the privilege of running IBOC.... I don't know where you get your information, Amy, but there are NO annual fees for running IBOC. It is a one time licensing fee. The only time a recurring fee is charged is if you are running additional audio channels or if you are using a data channel for generating revenue. I've recently completed licensing all of our Buckley stations, and I could quote you chapter and verse from our contracts. Additionally, depending on your transmitter, the initial investment can be as low as about $45,000.....not $100,000+.=20=20 >=20 > At least antenna passbands are smaller with C-QUAM than needed for=20 > IBOC... Both need clean IPM, though. That's the fun part. :) >=20 > But yeah, some TXes just won't work with a C-QUAM exciter, so...=20 > Wouldn't be good with IBOC, either, since IBOC uses QUAM to pass its=20 > digital modulations. >=20 Also not fully correct. QUAM is a very small part of the IBOC signal, and will work with data errors generated in the QUAM channel. The primary audio data waveform is amplitude modulated, and the primary transmitter issue affecting IBOC on AM is modulator bandwidth. Most transmitters, particularly older ones, do not have the necessary bandwidth in the modulator to properly pass the IBOC waveform without data errors. The antenna bandwidth can and will play a part in proper generation of the IBOC waveform, but unless the antenna bandwidth is extremely narrow, this generally is not a problem, as evidenced by the load the WOR antenna presents to our transmitter. Where you run into problems with the antenna is if a significant VSWR is generated at the sidebands and the amplifier responds by generating an intermodulation product that introduces data errors. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Dec 27 13:22:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33240 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2005 21:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2005 21:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.224) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2005 21:22:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 21:21:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 21:21:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 21:21:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:21:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=wG7fYmlk9_whSioWIhR38Fo-hoe64bE_pPsdsWkCxFZwqxzT X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" wrote: > the=20 > ball and chain of iBiquity license fees. >=20 > db > I wish you guys would do your homework. There is a ONE TIME license fee...they are not perpetual. Please get your facts correct instead of spreading false information. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Dec 27 13:25:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85774 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2005 21:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2005 21:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2005 21:25:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 21:24:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 21:24:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:24:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=-9oCMMc_fN5dNp4nFhrghuXIq_2-C2yfTwf9qEcbSuxYziqR X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26" wrote: > > We need receivers for in home use. >=20 I wouldn't count on it any time soon. The manufacturers I've spoken to have no interest in making C-QUAM radios for the home or otherwise. And yes, Kevin, I know they are still appearing in cars, but they appear with zero fanfare, and are not available as an aftermarket item, and it's doubtful that most car buyers even notice. And I have it on good authority that Visteon will be discontinuing C-QUAM radios very soon. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Dec 27 13:28:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30283 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2005 21:28:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2005 21:28:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2005 21:28:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 21:27:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 21:27:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:27:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=kisLMv-ru9r6rMEaRRswgYAgUIMvrPL1Wi_pWCZRY2YKxr-9 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Norbert 26" =20 > wrote: > > > > We need receivers for in home use. >=20 > *points direction of http://www.meduci.com :) * >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > When these radios are available through Best Buy, Circuit City, Crutchfield.com, Radio Shack, J&R and others, you might stand a chance. Until that were to happen, there isn't a prayer. Tom Ray WOR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 16:11:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29000 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 00:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 00:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 00:11:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 00:11:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 00:11:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:11:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.224.20 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=1qf-_kKUibx0e9nW95nQWJhjwoSr0zgXlBlNIY0WSW4wqrOpHg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > But yeah, some TXes just won't work with a C-QUAM exciter, so...=20 > Wouldn't be good with IBOC, either, since IBOC uses QUAM to pass > its digital modulations. IBOC is a lot more picky when it comes to transmitters than analog AM Stereo, though. Basically anything pre-1990s is out of the=20 question, and even an older Harris DX-series will need some tweaking=20 and modification. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 16:21:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59257 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 00:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 00:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 00:21:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 00:18:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 00:18:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 00:18:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:18:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.224.20 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=y7a4DzzJt2fqaPNk5QZfvZraRSvvXF_jadxYcsWFnOTjiXNQRA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > And yes, Kevin, I know they are still appearing in cars, but they > appear with zero fanfare, and are not available as an aftermarket > item, and it's doubtful that most car buyers even notice. And I > have it on good authority that Visteon will be discontinuing C-QUAM > radios very soon. That must be the same "authority" which said that Ford would be=20 introducing IBOC-equipped car radios... in the 2004 model year. Visteon has been sitting on its IBOC receiver design since 2003 and=20 we still have no word if/when it will ever actually make it into new=20 cars and trucks. 2007? 2008? Who knows!? Meanwhile, BMW's IBOC receiver was already obsolete even before it=20 hit the market -- it's missing IBOC's most attractive feature: FM multicasting. From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 16:47:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31268 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 00:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 00:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 00:47:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 57651 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2005 00:47:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20051228004714.57649.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.143] by web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:47:14 PST Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:47:14 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Ibiquity fees X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=_SvPm5-YamD8dQSXVf425FzbYZSjnFc8YVN7Fx1tt2Y X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > I wish you guys would do your homework. There is a > ONE TIME license > fee...they are not perpetual. Please get your facts > correct instead > of spreading false information. > Tom Ray > WOR SSSH! Everybody. Tom's correct FOR NOW. Let's not give anyone any ideas...... ]:) Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 16:50:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63707 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 00:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 00:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.215) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 00:50:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 42888 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2005 00:49:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20051228004958.42886.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.143] by web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:49:58 PST Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:49:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Older transmitters running IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=GX1ZCDMfnlxBrUs2WREAQGtcPg_HYfUVwt2BbHxrbr0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > IBOC is a lot more picky when it comes to > transmitters than analog > AM Stereo, though. Basically anything pre-1990s is > out of the > question, and even an older Harris DX-series will > need some tweaking > and modification. Even the Gates 1 and 5 series are not acceptable for running IBOC though Harris said they would. They will....however they don't put out an IBOC signal that fits the so called mask. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Tue Dec 27 17:37:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32042 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 01:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 01:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 01:37:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 01:36:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 01:36:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:36:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.213.19 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=gV-nLTKZeNJ-Yrjjbt8qYdHMsoprY0L2kN-grfhb85WOkcej-agisQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" > wrote: > > > the=20 > > ball and chain of iBiquity license fees. > >=20 > > db > > >=20 > I wish you guys would do your homework. There is a ONE TIME license > fee...they are not perpetual. Please get your facts correct instead > of spreading false information. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > Yes, there is a one time fee for the main channel. What I was referring to= was the 3%=20 annual revenue fee the supplemental channel audio, the 3% quarterly revenue= fee for data=20 and the annual fee for software upgrades. That is the iBiquity ball and ch= ain I spoke of. Believe it or not I HAVE read the iBiquity licensing fact sheet.=20 db From tomray@wor710.com Tue Dec 27 18:11:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5265 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 02:11:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 02:11:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 02:11:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 02:09:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 02:09:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 02:09:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051228004958.42886.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Older transmitters running IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=MK4IKXVlKEDMj3_Y4c5z_Vte6tMuRsi3ebHDqnf-Ss671mC0 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: >=20 > Even the Gates 1 and 5 series are not acceptable for > running IBOC though Harris said they would. They > will....however they don't put out an IBOC signal that > fits the so called mask.=20 >=20 Depends on the transmitter...I know several people running them that work just fine...and the interesting thing is that Harris can't tell you which ones will work correctly and which ones won't. That's both interesting and scary. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Dec 27 18:14:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32439 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 02:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 02:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 02:14:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 02:12:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 02:12:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 02:12:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=FbPbnOcD5RcBqz8z2fefOdiaR3fVvRfQDUAGbj7wiishJr9_ X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" wrote: > >=20 > Yes, there is a one time fee for the main channel. What I was referring to was the 3%=20 > annual revenue fee the supplemental channel audio, the 3% quarterly revenue fee for data=20 > and the annual fee for software upgrades. That is the iBiquity ball and chain I spoke of. >=20 > Believe it or not I HAVE read the iBiquity licensing fact sheet.=20 >=20 That's good. Most people haven't, but still come up with statements as if they have. If a station simply wants to have what they presently have, there are no additional fees. And you can still run analog subcarriers. If a station decides to put a second (or third) "station" on the air, then it's a different ball game. Tom Ray WOR From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Dec 27 19:30:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49330 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 03:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 03:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 03:30:06 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.29] (pool-70-111-222-223.nwrk.east.verizon.net [70.111.222.223]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jBS3U3Ih070041 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:30:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <43B206DD.1060200@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:30:37 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=3yfhWBytab6sjENtLNDfHnHPVGfdM7Y7e92Lgu0sbgBnyg X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well here I am with a NEW transmitter. and IBOC exciter. The exciter is on in the rack In analog mode never put it in digital mode ,and it already had a Crash. It lost all the factory defaults and Settings. I will attempt to reinstall the software tomorrow under the guidance Of a BE tech on the Phone. Good thing it defaults to the internal exciter. Neal Tom Ray wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" >wrote: > > >the > > >>ball and chain of iBiquity license fees. >> >>db >> >> >> > >I wish you guys would do your homework. There is a ONE TIME license >fee...they are not perpetual. Please get your facts correct instead >of spreading false information. > >Tom Ray >WOR > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Dec 27 19:40:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99960 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 03:40:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 03:40:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 03:40:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 03:40:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 03:40:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:40:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43B206DD.1060200@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.142.243.35 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=j9FSuhCFe_v3Z-zaTpbVU0vzePT2m5M2WC2c_dvcBeXHiBFPSrQW8g X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman =20 wrote: > > Well here I am with a NEW transmitter. and IBOC exciter. > The exciter is on in the rack In analog mode never put it in=20 digital mode > ,and it already had a Crash. It lost all the factory defaults and=20 Settings. > I will attempt to reinstall the software tomorrow under the=20 guidance Of=20 > a BE tech on the Phone. > Good thing it defaults to the internal exciter. > Neal >=20 >=20 >=20 > Tom Ray wrote: >=20 > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004"=20 > >wrote: > >=20=20 > > > >the=20 > >=20=20 > > > >>ball and chain of iBiquity license fees. > >> > >>db > >> > >>=20=20=20=20 > >> > > > >I wish you guys would do your homework. There is a ONE TIME=20 license > >fee...they are not perpetual. Please get your facts correct=20 instead > >of spreading false information. > > > >Tom Ray > >WOR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Its to bad no one has the code disk soft ware for C-QuAM for=20 you. Jim Smith From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 20:04:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68400 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 04:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 04:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 04:04:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 04:03:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 04:03:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 04:03:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.240 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=5EKap96k35c3nXrRCl3D0ne5F8zm3KdxGSL5hWcYqCRI8zm8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie That's the nice thing about C-QUAM..... There are no license fees to=20 use the system. (In fact, Motorola made a point of no patent royalty=20 fees to use C-QUAM in any equipment, including the use of the C-QUAM=20 trademark.) And it doesn't crash. :) You buy C-QUAM AMS equipment, it's yours until you decide to get rid of=20 it. :) You pay not even lip service to Motorola for the privilege of=20 using their system. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Wed Dec 28 04:06:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93985 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 12:06:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 12:06:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.51.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 12:06:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 04:06:26 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:06:26 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:06:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2005 12:06:26.0756 (UTC) FILETIME=[20FD6840:01C60BA7] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.51.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851; y=7WBUDjngtEMrvra8ZdOMAuqpir_gILql1RGZaUO0D96BV77EnHpx X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane I also posted this announcement on the Michigan Buzzboard and there may be two stations flipping the switch. http://mibuzzboard.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8932 Paul Crane, KC8YQQ Jackson, MI USA Part 15 transmitters on air 24/7: AM stereo 1250, FM stereo 88.3 ----Original Message Follows---- From: "dbdigital2004" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 06:03:04 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > > wrote: > > > > > > Depends- Wou;d you rather spend less than $10k and no annual fees for > > the use of the system on C-QUAM, or at least ~$100k with annual fees > > paid to Ibiquity for the privilege of running IBOC.... > > > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > That was what I was referring to, the initial cost of IBOC equipment (vs. C-Quam) and the > ball and chain of iBiquity license fees. > > db > BTW, there's a great thread going on over at the Radio-Info board on AMS. http://www.radio-info.com/mods/posts.php?Cat=&Board=engineering It seems that some AM station owners are reconsidering their dormant C-Quam equipment and thinking of turning it back on. Part of this is based on the Myrtle Beach station and the other is a backlash to iBiquity and its underhanded campaign to push IBOC. Wouldn't it be ironic if iBiquity unwittingly turned out to be the engine to drive AM station owners back to AM stereo? db _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Dec 28 05:11:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94481 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 13:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 13:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 13:11:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 13:10:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 13:10:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 13:10:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:10:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.11.203 From: "Dave" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=T0S2_1No2WtIu61KrS-GsVY2VlOhZbxmbAbmSmOiecRRra0cWA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Not a bad stereo steeam but only 20k WMA.. Odd sounding news reader=20 just now, do they all speak like that in San Francisco ?! From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Dec 28 15:00:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10388 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 23:00:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 23:00:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 23:00:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 54883 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20051228225847.54881.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.206] by web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:58:47 PST Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:58:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Older transmitters running IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=l7mzUEt0A38qFHx3syzPPB60SuZQFRl3P0UqURA-EB4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > > Even the Gates 1 and 5 series are not acceptable > for > > running IBOC though Harris said they would. They > > will....however they don't put out an IBOC signal > that > > fits the so called mask. > > > > Depends on the transmitter...I know several people > running them that > work just fine...and the interesting thing is that > Harris can't tell > you which ones will work correctly and which ones > won't. That's both > interesting and scary. > > Tom Ray > WOR Harris actually some folks not to run the Gates series with IBOC as generally they aren't going to fit the mask. An OLD solid state Nautel at WCOS runs IBOC on 1400 though no one is listening. A new BE is ready to go in its place. WVOC 560 can't run IBOC right now. It's not the Gates 5 but the bandwidth. The 3 towers were put there in 1967, and not much has been done. It sorta kinda ran AM stereo...not C-Quam but something else. The DA just is not capable without a complete re do. And the 1 tower for daytime isn't much better. And even worse, the current set up daytime is 25% of what it's supposed to do. A FIM in Union SC shows that. UGH. That antenna array has really degraded. Powell Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 28 17:55:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71271 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2005 01:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2005 01:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2005 01:55:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 01:55:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 01:55:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 01:55:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051228004958.42886.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.224.20 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Older transmitters running IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=o-Ik_oqr2qNQpNKXMvomKd5ElQFYgHIcMgLIucOmXwIHPckt9A X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Even the Gates 1 and 5 series are not acceptable for > running IBOC though Harris said they would. They > will....however they don't put out an IBOC signal that > fits the so called mask.=20 iBiquity has already made their suggested AM IBOC mask less=20 restrictive because even stations with brand new transmitters were=20 having trouble meeting their original mask. They also changed it in=20 the +/- 5 to 10 kHz region to allow stations to use a higher digital=20 sideband power level. Here's the graph: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/zzm113/misc/newiboc.gif From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 28 18:06:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44704 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2005 02:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2005 02:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2005 02:06:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 02:06:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 02:06:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:06:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051228225847.54881.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.224.20 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: Older transmitters running IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=NVp08ogRcH85NqVoFUS31d33MhlACh3j1Foaycj_kR-akXmVMA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WVOC 560 can't run IBOC right now. It's not the Gates > 5 but the bandwidth. The 3 towers were put there in > 1967, and not much has been done. It sorta kinda ran > AM stereo...not C-Quam but something else. The DA just > is not capable without a complete re do. And the 1 > tower for daytime isn't much better. And even worse, > the current set up daytime is 25% of what it's > supposed to do. A FIM in Union SC shows that. UGH. > That antenna array has really degraded.=20 Sad to say, there are hundreds of stations like this, which won't be=20 able to convert to IBOC without a large, expensive, and time-=20 consuming upgrade of their facilities. So if IBOC is ever mandated,=20 these stations will drop like flies... but of course the big=20 corporations which are backing iBiquity don't mind if they suddenly=20 have much less competition on the band. The big companies will have=20 the AM and FM bands all to themselves, while the little "hometown"=20 stations will either go dark or try to continue via an Internet audio=20 stream. In fact the smarter stations are doing that already,=20 especially daytimers which continue their programming at night on=20 their web-stream. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Dec 28 19:36:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50627 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2005 03:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2005 03:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2005 03:36:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 03:35:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 03:35:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:35:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.52.109 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=kxi3iYPt5HkeRuYZRMYvpt8v6LBZHsg0r9dtY_Wv4de_uBUt X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Could we be seeing a C-QUAM mini-renaissance??? :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wnmb@sc.rr.com Thu Dec 29 06:18:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40978 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2005 14:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2005 14:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2005 14:18:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 14:18:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 14:18:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:17:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.199.186.206 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=yMbhSjA73iwwQiNCAjrXRqGMgIidwY1v_VjZ97fntzBCpw X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 > Hey everyone; an update for you. Since we turned "on" the AM=20 stereo a few days back, we've had more reaction than we anticipated. Yesterday, for example, a guy driving a 2002 Ford Expedition drove=20 into the parking lot and came in to tell us just how good we=20 sounded on his radio. Before, he said he had no idea there was such=20 a thing as AM Stereo. I had a lady who owns a 2002 Thunderbird=20 call and say pretty much the same thing. So, there are listeners=20 who do notice. As to the discussion here about large groups going to analog AM=20 Stereo, it is not likely to happen. They are run mostly by=20 financial guidelines only and more toward a short run. Many groups=20 are pushing paper having paid much for their stations and many look=20 to improve and sell. Now, there's nothing wrong with making money.=20=20 It's a good and wise thing to do. It's just that in the greater=20 scheme of things, broadcasters need to serve their community and=20 help meet needs as well. It's long been a part of what having a=20 license is all about. AM Radio is the victim of several inequities. The FCC set an early=20 standard for FM Stereo while not permitting AM to move forward with=20 stereo (around 1958-60). The FCC has further set standards for tv=20 stereo and HD, but left AM to the "marketplace" for a long time.=20=20=20 Then, to add further bad perception, along came the NRSC filter so=20 that those of us broadcasting in full fidelity AM stereo had to cut=20 back to more than 9 khz response.=20 In addition today we face manufacturers who build absolute junk AM=20 radios. If a receiver won't pass more than 2.5 khz, it doesn't=20 make much difference whatI do to enhance fidelity. AM deserves a=20 break and the FCC ought to require at least an NRSC response curve=20 in all AM receivers.=20=20 It all paints a bleak picture, but there are some bright spots. AM=20 radio stations who truly serve a community will get listeners. AM=20 radio stations who cater in entetainment to the massive numbers of=20 baby boomers who grew up listening to The Buckinghams, The Beatles=20 and the Motown sound can have listeners. And those who add=20 streaming in stereo on the internet with any other outlet they can=20 utilize will discover listeners. The best way to get more AM STEREO out there is for owner/operator=20 stations to do just what we've done. Invest in yourself and go=20 stereo. When enough stations do it, the receivers will follow.=20=20=20 We all know it's going to be a long time before digital replaces=20 analog. There will be years of valuable service time left. There's an old saying which goes something like "no one can or ever=20 will do for yourself what you can do." So, in my little world,=20=20 I've gone stereo. In order to help compensate for a lack of=20 receivers, we're going to give away quite a few in promotions.=20=20 We're publicizing what new cars have them. And for the non-stereo=20 but still quality conscious, we are promoting the Super Radio III. In the early 80s, we converted WZKY in Albemarle, N. C. to AM=20 Stereo. We did lots of promotion including open house days. Radio=20 World did an article called "WZKY Creates AM Stereo Craze!" WKZY is=20 still in stereo, and under the ownership of Stanly Communications,=20 it doing a great job. Today, we have no illusions about a craze,=20 but we do sense more people looking at being the best they can be. I am asking other AM owners just to take that one small step and do=20 their part. I don't know if we will be successful, but I know the=20 future if we don't try. You can help spread the word and your input is appreciated. We were already stereo in our studios and rather state of the art.=20=20 So with audio processing and Delta gear, plus a new STL, we've=20 invested about $27k in the conversion. Less than the cost of many=20 new cars. Plus, sitting and listening to our sound on a Carver TX- 11a or in my '04 Thunderbird brings to me a big smile. It's a=20 pretty good return on the investment! Bill Norman WNMB North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina www.wnmb.net From wnmb@sc.rr.com Thu Dec 29 06:26:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56233 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2005 14:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2005 14:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2005 14:26:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 14:25:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 14:25:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:25:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.199.186.206 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=9ethSE0s9-x-6bh5WC4VkUGIyCiqHfGgwh1Dz6ShvWZKlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" =20 wrote: ******* CORRECTING a couple of typing errors: sentance about frequency response (bandwidth) should read: No more than 9 khz. Stanly Communications should read "It is doing a great job." > > > Hey everyone; an update for you. Since we turned "on" the AM=20 > stereo a few days back, we've had more reaction than we=20 anticipated. > Yesterday, for example, a guy driving a 2002 Ford Expedition drove=20 > into the parking lot and came in to tell us just how good we=20 > sounded on his radio. Before, he said he had no idea there was=20 such=20 > a thing as AM Stereo. I had a lady who owns a 2002 Thunderbird=20 > call and say pretty much the same thing. So, there are listeners=20 > who do notice. >=20 > As to the discussion here about large groups going to analog AM=20 > Stereo, it is not likely to happen. They are run mostly by=20 > financial guidelines only and more toward a short run. Many=20 groups=20 > are pushing paper having paid much for their stations and many=20 look=20 > to improve and sell. Now, there's nothing wrong with making=20 money.=20=20 > It's a good and wise thing to do. It's just that in the greater=20 > scheme of things, broadcasters need to serve their community and=20 > help meet needs as well. It's long been a part of what having a=20 > license is all about. >=20 > AM Radio is the victim of several inequities. The FCC set an=20 early=20 > standard for FM Stereo while not permitting AM to move forward=20 with=20 > stereo (around 1958-60). The FCC has further set standards for tv=20 > stereo and HD, but left AM to the "marketplace" for a long time.=20=20=20 > Then, to add further bad perception, along came the NRSC filter so=20 > that those of us broadcasting in full fidelity AM stereo had to=20 cut=20 > back to more than 9 khz response.=20 >=20 > In addition today we face manufacturers who build absolute junk AM=20 > radios. If a receiver won't pass more than 2.5 khz, it doesn't=20 > make much difference whatI do to enhance fidelity. AM deserves a=20 > break and the FCC ought to require at least an NRSC response curve=20 > in all AM receivers.=20=20 >=20 > It all paints a bleak picture, but there are some bright spots.=20=20 AM=20 > radio stations who truly serve a community will get listeners. AM=20 > radio stations who cater in entetainment to the massive numbers of=20 > baby boomers who grew up listening to The Buckinghams, The Beatles=20 > and the Motown sound can have listeners. And those who add=20 > streaming in stereo on the internet with any other outlet they can=20 > utilize will discover listeners. >=20 > The best way to get more AM STEREO out there is for owner/operator=20 > stations to do just what we've done. Invest in yourself and go=20 > stereo. When enough stations do it, the receivers will follow.=20=20=20 > We all know it's going to be a long time before digital replaces=20 > analog. There will be years of valuable service time left. >=20 > There's an old saying which goes something like "no one can or=20 ever=20 > will do for yourself what you can do." So, in my little world,=20=20 > I've gone stereo. In order to help compensate for a lack of=20 > receivers, we're going to give away quite a few in promotions.=20=20 > We're publicizing what new cars have them. And for the non- stereo=20 > but still quality conscious, we are promoting the Super Radio III. >=20 > In the early 80s, we converted WZKY in Albemarle, N. C. to AM=20 > Stereo. We did lots of promotion including open house days.=20=20 Radio=20 > World did an article called "WZKY Creates AM Stereo Craze!" WKZY=20 is=20 > still in stereo, and under the ownership of Stanly Communications,=20 > it doing a great job. Today, we have no illusions about a craze,=20 > but we do sense more people looking at being the best they can be. >=20 > I am asking other AM owners just to take that one small step and=20 do=20 > their part. I don't know if we will be successful, but I know the=20 > future if we don't try. >=20 > You can help spread the word and your input is appreciated. >=20 > We were already stereo in our studios and rather state of the=20 art.=20=20 > So with audio processing and Delta gear, plus a new STL, we've=20 > invested about $27k in the conversion. Less than the cost of=20 many=20 > new cars. Plus, sitting and listening to our sound on a Carver=20 TX- > 11a or in my '04 Thunderbird brings to me a big smile. It's a=20 > pretty good return on the investment! >=20 > Bill Norman > WNMB > North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina > www.wnmb.net > From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 10:46:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92606 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2005 18:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2005 18:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2005 18:46:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 18:45:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 18:45:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:45:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.52.109 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=dDJGPmTAaIH1tycVLr_ZcsLpGPCKEtYbqxRGIFlH-jFlOrNk X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" =20 > wrote: > ******* CORRECTING a couple of typing errors: > sentance about frequency response (bandwidth) should read: > No more than 9 khz. Actually, that's the myth of the NRSC filter- It's actually 10.2 kHz=20 at -6 dB, then rolls off to -20 db at 20 kHz- It's not perscribed as=20 a brick wall in the NRSC guidelines at 10.kHz; just a given level.=20 This is satisfactory, in most cases, anyway, to pass good sound.=20 Sadly, most radios don't even pass 10.2 kHz to -6 dB-- AMAX=20 perscribes a cut-off at 7.5 kHz, but this is still better than the=20 average radio, which seem to go for 2.5-5 kHz bandwidths. FM stereo radio has a brick-wall cut-off at 15 kHz (because of the 19=20 kHz pilot), but most radios are only good to 12 kHz. That being said, no, I don't expect AMS conversions "en masse", but=20 with between 6 and 10 stations turning the C-QUAM -ON- in just the=20 last few months, or planning to around the beginning of the new year,=20 this is a reversal of a long, bad trend, which I described in my last=20 post as a "mini-renaissance"-- It's not being done by corporates, and=20 I doubt it will ever happen through them, but it IS being done, as a=20 matter of a labour of love and committment on the part of indivitual=20 and small broadcasters. You can be guaranteed that about 10% of your listening audience will=20 have AMS, and most of them will never know it until they actually=20 hear it-- As you've just found out. This is close to the same=20 saturation as MTS stereo for TV- 15% of all TVs and VCRs in use are=20 capable of TV stereo. True, there are NO aftermarket car radios with AMS. There are no home=20 or portable radios commercially available, either, with the exception=20 of three high-end home receivers: The Fanfare FT100A, the Carver=20 TX11b, and the Japan Radio NRD-545 world-band radio. There are,=20 however, importers who will sell Japanese AMS radios (Audiocubes, for=20 example), as well as hand-made radios as made by both Chris Cuff and=20 Jeff Deck, not to mention conversions by both (and others), and of=20 course the used radio market at places like eBay. The only new AMS radiuos people in America can get are when they buy=20 new cars, and this feature is not advertised at all, yet at least=20 Ford and Chrysler have been putting AMS-capable OEM car radios in=20 thewir new models over the last 21 years, and still doing so...until=20 the switchover to IBOC, which seems less likely, given the constant=20 backtracking. Nevertheless, most drivers don't give up their cars so quickly, so=20 there are STILL many cars with AMS still on the roads made over the=20 last 2 decades. In 1993, the FCC estimated that 10% of all AM-capable radios in use-=20 mostly automotive then as now- were so equipped with AMS. I estimate=20 this to still be true, since the auto manufacturers are still=20 installing AMS radios, unheralded, to this day....and radios in use=20 are even more skewed towards car listening today than it was in '93. It makes sense to realise this market still very much exists, and is=20 BADLY underserved because of the misconception that "there are no AMS=20 radios out there"- which is a crock of bull. But with the way broadcasting is going, going AMS is almost entirely=20 a labour of love these days, because it's fighting a corporate trend=20 of marginalising and alienating the AM band with narrow bandwidths=20 and digital noise, while providing exceedingly substandard=20 programming. WNMB is an example of the exact opposite of what the industry is=20 doing. It's community-minded, has good music, is live & local, and is=20 committed to excellent sound quality by using C-QUAM AM stereo, which=20 requires the reduction of IPM, an effort most AM stations don't do,=20 which even to mono receivers, produces a superior sound. And they're getting noticed. That is a good thing. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 11:35:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69026 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2005 19:35:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2005 19:35:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52010.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2005 19:35:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 95207 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Dec 2005 19:35:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20051229193528.95205.qmail@web52010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [38.100.146.10] by web52010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:35:28 PST Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:35:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Station count 12/28/05 & changes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=B-S2gDPWXhP6sWpHVHcO7iHduuxXXsGjRh-t-uOnyqMl0Xxt2v18 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio As of yesterday, 184 AM Stereo stations were listed on amstereoradio.com, 113 of which are in the U.S.. Our local 990 (WALE) is currently off air which gave me the chance to hear WLGZ/990-Rochester, N.Y.. It IS still in stereo as standards "Legends 990." There IS a pilot tone. I haven't seen a pilot on 900 for awhile which leads me to believe CHML-Hamilton, On. is no longer in stereo. I couldn't hear them on my SRF-42 because of local 5kW WHJJ/920. Also, if you count pilot-only stations, WWKB/1520 is still transmitting that. 73, Jay N1WVQ, WQBI410. __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Thu Dec 29 11:53:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98687 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2005 19:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2005 19:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.51.13) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2005 19:53:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:53:18 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:53:18 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:53:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2005 19:53:18.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[83BA57D0:01C60CB1] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.51.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: WILS 1320 in stereo!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851; y=MBn1Y1WQRRipTOmM09fs_ZnTQNDtkVJAhf9gnFOaN9whTj74TutM X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane I was tuning across the AM band and found WILS 1320 (Lansing, MI) in (((stereo))). They sound great with their adult standards format. I suspect they got their CQUAM exciter from WXLA 1180 (Dimondale, MI) which upgraded their equipment over a year ago. Both stations have the same engineer. Paul Crane, KC8YQQ Jackson, MI USA Part 15 transmitters on air 24/7: AM stereo 1250, FM stereo 88.3 _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Dec 29 17:02:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+jW1e+7+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 506 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 01:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 01:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 01:02:09 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.55]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 38036344 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:02:01 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b201c60cdd$59321d00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:07:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.217.55 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=o0OtvgbCuLTbsmM_eaqC354dP5T58RrBEkR3vy3XQq-Q1GHVDNKe X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude While that may have been true for years, lately I've noticed radios are actually quite broad- enough so that when tuned to an IBOC station you can hear the hiss in the background. Sorry about being gone for so long; somehow deleted my logon password and couldn't remember what it was. Would have requested Little Drummer Boy from the Oy to the World CD. It's Christmas music rewritten to sound yiddish; very clever parody. Here's to the continuation of our mini AM stereo renaissance in the new year. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Norman" > > In addition today we face manufacturers who build absolute junk AM > radios. If a receiver won't pass more than 2.5 khz, it doesn't > make much difference whatI do to enhance fidelity. > > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Dec 29 17:18:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6704 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 01:18:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 01:18:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.96) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 01:18:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:18:39 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.44 by BAY106-DAV24.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:18:38 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:18:39 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2005 01:18:39.0467 (UTC) FILETIME=[F71B43B0:01C60CDE] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you very much Bill, for taking the time to do a great job in creating a new c-quam AM-Stereo station (WNMB) and to explaining the hows and whys to us. Being in s.w./the Suncoast part of Florida, of course I can't receive you, but did listen to the stream and was impressed, not only with the music, but the PSA's, local ads and the live and local programming. Jusat like radio was in the golden age of the 60's and the 70's. Even though, the St Petersburg/Tampa market is in the top 20; we have no English live and local am's, the nearest that I am aware of is mono 640 - WVLG, The Villages, approximately 105 miles n.n.e. of St Petersburg, they are mono, but live and local Monday through Sunday from 6am through midnight. Also, I'm afraid I have to agree with you on the quality of the a.m. band on most radios and receivers built during the last 10 - 15 years, it's as though the a.m. band was added on as an afterthought. I'm glad you were able to point out some bright spots though. Thanks again for programming a live and local a.m. station and in stereo to boot! Oh, just to give credit to the Thornberg family, the do have an oldies station in AM stereo (am stereo 1130) in Bartow, Florida about 65 miles east of here, live and local in the morning, but they have a wonderful oldies format. Donn Tillman latitude 27.761 north, wishing there were more Bill Normans and more Thornberg families. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Norman Sent: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:17:58 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina > Hey everyone; an update for you. Since we turned "on" the AM stereo a few days back, we've had more reaction than we anticipated. Yesterday, for example, a guy driving a 2002 Ford Expedition drove into the parking lot and came in to tell us just how good we sounded on his radio. Before, he said he had no idea there was such a thing as AM Stereo. I had a lady who owns a 2002 Thunderbird call and say pretty much the same thing. So, there are listeners who do notice. As to the discussion here about large groups going to analog AM Stereo, it is not likely to happen. They are run mostly by financial guidelines only and more toward a short run. Many groups are pushing paper having paid much for their stations and many look to improve and sell. Now, there's nothing wrong with making money. It's a good and wise thing to do. It's just that in the greater scheme of things, broadcasters need to serve their community and help meet needs as well. It's long been a part of what having a license is all about. AM Radio is the victim of several inequities. The FCC set an early standard for FM Stereo while not permitting AM to move forward with stereo (around 1958-60). The FCC has further set standards for tv stereo and HD, but left AM to the "marketplace" for a long time. Then, to add further bad perception, along came the NRSC filter so that those of us broadcasting in full fidelity AM stereo had to cut back to more than 9 khz response. In addition today we face manufacturers who build absolute junk AM radios. If a receiver won't pass more than 2.5 khz, it doesn't make much difference whatI do to enhance fidelity. AM deserves a break and the FCC ought to require at least an NRSC response curve in all AM receivers. It all paints a bleak picture, but there are some bright spots. AM radio stations who truly serve a community will get listeners. AM radio stations who cater in entetainment to the massive numbers of baby boomers who grew up listening to The Buckinghams, The Beatles and the Motown sound can have listeners. And those who add streaming in stereo on the internet with any other outlet they can utilize will discover listeners. The best way to get more AM STEREO out there is for owner/operator stations to do just what we've done. Invest in yourself and go stereo. When enough stations do it, the receivers will follow. We all know it's going to be a long time before digital replaces analog. There will be years of valuable service time left. There's an old saying which goes something like "no one can or ever will do for yourself what you can do." So, in my little world, I've gone stereo. In order to help compensate for a lack of receivers, we're going to give away quite a few in promotions. We're publicizing what new cars have them. And for the non-stereo but still quality conscious, we are promoting the Super Radio III. In the early 80s, we converted WZKY in Albemarle, N. C. to AM Stereo. We did lots of promotion including open house days. Radio World did an article called "WZKY Creates AM Stereo Craze!" WKZY is still in stereo, and under the ownership of Stanly Communications, it doing a great job. Today, we have no illusions about a craze, but we do sense more people looking at being the best they can be. I am asking other AM owners just to take that one small step and do their part. I don't know if we will be successful, but I know the future if we don't try. You can help spread the word and your input is appreciated. We were already stereo in our studios and rather state of the art. So with audio processing and Delta gear, plus a new STL, we've invested about $27k in the conversion. Less than the cost of many new cars. Plus, sitting and listening to our sound on a Carver TX- 11a or in my '04 Thunderbird brings to me a big smile. It's a pretty good return on the investment! Bill Norman WNMB North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina www.wnmb.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Dec 29 17:37:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75731 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 01:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 01:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao06.cox.net) (68.230.241.33) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 01:37:44 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051230013503.SAAY20050.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:35:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:37:17 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=QhR2CbtOtMlVHio0NQC3vqAYfEDCvkiyFKYKNuuSPBUw3BQtMh6_FiMkxJMD X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner FM seems to be an afterthought. As does the amplifier. Most radios and stereos today are crap. Loud, but crap sonically. People don't seem to care, however, as long as it has good bass. The popularity of MP3s bears this out. On Dec 30, 2005, at 1:18 AM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Also, I'm afraid I have to agree with you on the quality of the > a.m. band on most radios and receivers built during the last 10 - > 15 years, it's as though the a.m. band was added on as an > afterthought. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Dec 29 17:53:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28576 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 01:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 01:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.94) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 01:53:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:53:29 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.44 by BAY106-DAV22.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:53:28 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:53:28 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2005 01:53:29.0512 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4DED280:01C60CE3] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Richard, You don't know how close, I came to adding that during the last 5 to 7 years, it seems as though the fm band is also now being added as an afterthought. With I Pods becoming so dominant, both radio bands are secondary; both am and fm sensitivity and selectivity and bandwidth have suffered. Fanfare and the GE Superadio III are two commercial exceptions and thankfully, we also have Jeff Deck and Chris Cuff contributing new am stereo equipment as well, for those of who care about quality radio, since obviously the FCC and NAB don't. Donn 27.761 latitude north -----Original Message----- From: Richard Wagoner Sent: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:37:17 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina FM seems to be an afterthought. As does the amplifier. Most radios and stereos today are crap. Loud, but crap sonically. People don't seem to care, however, as long as it has good bass. The popularity of MP3s bears this out. On Dec 30, 2005, at 1:18 AM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Also, I'm afraid I have to agree with you on the quality of the > a.m. band on most radios and receivers built during the last 10 - > 15 years, it's as though the a.m. band was added on as an > afterthought. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Dec 29 18:03:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+jW1e+7+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71303 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 02:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 02:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 02:03:30 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.55]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 40727934 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:58:59 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d801c60ce5$45ead5e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:03:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.55 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=8YgKK6kXw8-ExLpTlWWZocHxUTONiKrg1dDQ1ke_l1hewS8Phv5x X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Shades of the Beta/VHS wars. Looks like most are going for quantity over quality again. If folks are willing to put up with lousy MP3, they shouldn't complain about lousy sounding AM analog. Of course it also means they might not complain about lousy HD on MW either. I wonder how many of us have truly audiophile grade gear? Might be interesting to invite your MP3-equipped friends and neighbors over and offer to have them plug their device into your system so you can show them what their stuff REALLY sounds like. Start by asking them how they can possibly listen to that stuff? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" > FM seems to be an afterthought. As does the amplifier. Most radios > and stereos today are crap. Loud, but crap sonically. People don't > seem to care, however, as long as it has good bass. The popularity of > MP3s bears this out. > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Dec 29 20:28:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78616 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 04:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 04:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 04:28:33 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EsBsW-0001A2-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:28:32 -0500 Message-ID: <00cd01c60cf9$7dc1a2f0$6702a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <00d801c60ce5$45ead5e0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:28:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=FjbL47GwKIgBL6Kp-eelsIoEwzA975wHHKaHmTb0T8VQFUdERVb6JMhToPG7AQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: >I wonder how many of us have truly audiophile grade gear? I have a Luxman Tube CD-Player D 103u, Revox PR-99 Tape deck, RCA 16" turntable with Audio-Technica cartridge into a home-brew tube pre-amp, Shure SM-7 Mike, Magnum Dynalabs FT-101 FM tuner, Dynamax CTR14 Cart machine, all into a LPB Signature III Model S-13 console driving a pair of Dynaco A-25 speakers and Koss PRO4AA cans. Perhaps I like to play with audio a little too much.....Nah, EVERYBODY has a prod studio in their living room! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From dav259@csiro.au Thu Dec 29 23:42:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6921 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 07:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 07:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au) (150.229.64.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 07:42:07 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au ([138.194.10.10]) by vic-ironport-ext-out2.csiro.au with ESMTP; 30 Dec 2005 18:41:01 +1100 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,313,1131282000"; d="scan'208"; a="63613142:sNHT23410990" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBU7exMx000585 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:41:00 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:40:59 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: <00d801c60ce5$45ead5e0$d503fea9@stodd> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033; y=HPtIY5F_XMcn6R1pAVFGhM9Q0r43NWb24wS5VYmjQmol X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Scott Todd wrote: > Shades of the Beta/VHS wars. Looks like most are going for > quantity over quality again. If folks are willing to put > up with lousy MP3, they shouldn't complain about lousy > sounding AM analog. Of course it also means they might not > complain about lousy HD on MW either. I'm no sound expert but I reckon the quality of the sound and programming on our Melbourne AM stations is very good. If we had AM stereo I'd be as happy as a pig in mud. I've just bought an iPod and am happy with the sound of that too. But I already miss the friendly local chatter, the weather, traffic reports, etc. More than anything it's nice not having any control of what you're about to hear. And to know lots of others are listening to the same as you are. There's plenty of room for both in my view. After all video didn't kill the radio star. At least not here. We are looking forward to DAB in the next couple of years and that will create a level playing field between existing AM and FM stations. And there's already talk of DRM for rural and regional areas. We are perhaps fortunate on being a little behind. And also on loosely basing our regulation system on the British model. God bless our ABC for keeping the commercials on their toes. Radio is alive and well in Oz. Happy New Year to all! Ian From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 30 01:28:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81478 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 09:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 09:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 09:28:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 09:27:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 09:27:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:27:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.224.20 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=8bkdXOeN2AaYiJNiohp_VygY8hRvZhIGDEf9wiWDb8oAD4b4Iw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Sadly, most radios don't even pass 10.2 kHz to -6 dB-- AMAX=20 > perscribes a cut-off at 7.5 kHz, but this is still better than the=20 > average radio, which seem to go for 2.5-5 kHz bandwidths. AMAX only specifies a *minimum* flat response of 6.5 kHz for portable=20 radios and 7.5 kHz for home and auto receivers. Better tuners can=20 and do exceed these values, such as the Denon TU-680NAB, whose audio=20 is flat from 50 - 10,000 Hz in wide-bandwidth mode. From baansy@yahoo.com Fri Dec 30 01:45:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51074 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 09:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 09:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 09:45:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 09:44:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 09:44:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:44:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 58.87.5.221 From: "baansy" Subject: 4GR TOOWOOMBA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728; y=0lIerzvWEcCszr3uHFmxyoQ1xeA0MsA8u1GxkKKeuUrL X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy I am on a Contiki tour at the moment. It starts at Sydney and ends=20 in Cairns. It's the same one I did about 2 years ago. I have an AM STEREO receiver with me. It's an old Eurovox car radio=20 that I fitted into a box and is powered by a 12 volt sealed lead=20 acid battery.=20 I am starting to wonder just how many AM stations in Australia are=20 still broadcasting in Stereo. One of the stops was at Adora Downs cattle station out of Toowoomba.=20 I tuned into 4GR and the stereo indicator came on. The programme at=20 the time did not sound stereo but when 4GR went to an ad break it=20 sounded stereo. I think the programme at the time was nights with=20 Nelly which broadcasts on other stations as well. So far 4GR is the only AM Station that sounds Stereo. The only other station I know of that is still in stereo is 2CA in=20 Canberra which I can receive from Adelaide. From droland66@yahoo.com Fri Dec 30 14:20:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60006 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 22:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 22:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 22:20:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 22:19:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 22:19:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:19:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.179.16 From: "david roland" Subject: question regarding part 15 AM stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=RUniQIclbHSE9dmlM82VnX6CShAm5DM_HDnKrFEKrFPClVgi X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 does anyone know what is the farthest from the transmitter reported=20 reception of a part 15 AM station under normal daytime operations? coax From droland66@yahoo.com Fri Dec 30 14:25:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: droland66@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66516 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 22:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 22:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 22:25:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 22:25:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 22:25:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:25:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00d801c60ce5$45ead5e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.179.16 From: "david roland" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67296626; y=MzgwfWhAMNzRJOsbadBAl4SlUpil67MlpUAWKsD2Z6cLpQqN X-Yahoo-Profile: coaxguy99 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Shades of the Beta/VHS wars. Looks like most are going for=20 quantity over > quality again. If folks are willing to put up with lousy MP3, they > shouldn't complain about lousy sounding AM analog. Of course it=20 also means > they might not complain about lousy HD on MW either. I wonder how=20 many of > us have truly audiophile grade gear? Might be interesting to=20 invite your > MP3-equipped friends and neighbors over and offer to have them plug=20 their > device into your system so you can show them what their stuff=20 REALLY sounds > like. Start by asking them how they can possibly listen to that=20 stuff? >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Richard Wagoner" >=20 >=20 > > FM seems to be an afterthought. As does the amplifier. Most radios > > and stereos today are crap. Loud, but crap sonically. People don't > > seem to care, however, as long as it has good bass. The=20 popularity of > > MP3s bears this out. > > > Vinyl sounds better than CD, too. I can remember how sweet FM radio=20 sounded in the mid to late '70's on audiophile grade equipment=20 playing those vinyl records on top grade equipment through some=20 really nice analog sound conditioners. From tomray@wor710.com Fri Dec 30 14:49:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77999 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 22:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 22:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 22:49:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 22:48:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 22:48:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:48:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051228225847.54881.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Older transmitters running IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=Y3ZRKErX6MkXp_M-xX_1zX1hprGUSFhfhkh35C5zH6n6_hFF X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > WVOC 560 can't run IBOC right now. It's not the Gates > 5 but the bandwidth. The 3 towers were put there in > 1967, and not much has been done. It sorta kinda ran > AM stereo...not C-Quam but something else. The DA just > is not capable without a complete re do. And the 1 > tower for daytime isn't much better. And even worse, > the current set up daytime is 25% of what it's > supposed to do. A FIM in Union SC shows that. UGH. > That antenna array has really degraded.=20 >=20 That's a big problem with a lot of AM arrays. They either haven't=20 been taken care of or...if they're older arrays, they were designed=20 to simply produce the correct RF pattern for the least amount of $.=20=20 Bandwidth in the 'old days' wasn't a big consideration. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Dec 30 14:51:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67696 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 22:51:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 22:51:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 22:51:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 22:50:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 22:50:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:50:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Older transmitters running IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=nPn9AecEAjKe6TU83PjiWjsKLW5cD4oMgPICWdprz50-KrTf X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > > > Even the Gates 1 and 5 series are not acceptable for > > running IBOC though Harris said they would. They > > will....however they don't put out an IBOC signal that > > fits the so called mask.=20 >=20 > iBiquity has already made their suggested AM IBOC mask less=20 > restrictive because even stations with brand new transmitters were=20 > having trouble meeting their original mask. They also changed it in=20 > the +/- 5 to 10 kHz region to allow stations to use a higher digital=20 > sideband power level. Here's the graph: >=20 > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/zzm113/misc/newiboc.gif > That's interesting...because the iBiquity mask I have on file from=20 2002 shows the area in the "original" iBiquity mask on this diagram as=20 being -60dBc.....and it was lowered to -65dBc. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Dec 30 14:53:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59221 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 22:53:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 22:53:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 22:53:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 22:52:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 22:52:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:52:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Older transmitters running IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=wxWbN2a7TgkDERrHUAtbiTyNZqpA65gnBS6yg7NExWciMUYi X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > Sad to say, there are hundreds of stations like this, which won't be=20 > able to convert to IBOC without a large, expensive, and time-=20 > consuming upgrade of their facilities. So if IBOC is ever mandated,=20 > these stations will drop like flies...=20 Unfortunately, these stations will do so regardless of IBOC=20 operation....it will only take a while before they can't meet their=20 FCC license requirements for signal efficiency and pattern shape, and=20 by that time will sound so bad, they'll have lost most of their=20 audience anyway. They're gonna pay now or later.=20=20 Tom Ray WOR From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Dec 30 15:20:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70010 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 23:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 23:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 23:20:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 23:19:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 23:19:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:19:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.7.115 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: question regarding part 15 AM stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=mKbMjjsC6eRnihV1UwHB-2zDtRVPVxkSE0-fclXUbdIQfGEC X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "david roland" =20 wrote: > > does anyone know what is the farthest from the transmitter reported=20 > reception of a part 15 AM station under normal daytime operations? Depends on how good the ground is, and how it's used, but....it=20 varies... Some DXers have gotten Part 15's in the day at considerable=20 distances. Nominally, it can be a quarter-mile to 3 miles, but at least=20 150 is not unheard of. It isn't supposed to be greater than 300 ft.,=20 but like I said, it depends on the ground (and how well-tuned the=20 regulation antenna is). Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 30 17:48:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12273 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2005 01:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2005 01:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2005 01:48:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 17929 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2005 01:48:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20051231014838.17927.qmail@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.109] by web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:48:38 PST Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:48:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Older transmitters running IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=6wsnWBCXUewhsqLB5YEZwT9NNWDYrOAAr7dwh3HF6bg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > > > WVOC 560 can't run IBOC right now. It's not the > Gates > > 5 but the bandwidth. The 3 towers were put there > in > > 1967, and not much has been done. It sorta kinda > ran > > AM stereo...not C-Quam but something else. The DA > just > > is not capable without a complete re do. And the 1 > > tower for daytime isn't much better. And even > worse, > > the current set up daytime is 25% of what it's > > supposed to do. A FIM in Union SC shows that. UGH. > > That antenna array has really degraded. > > > > That's a big problem with a lot of AM arrays. They > either haven't > been taken care of or...if they're older arrays, > they were designed > to simply produce the correct RF pattern for the > least amount of $. > Bandwidth in the 'old days' wasn't a big > consideration. > > Tom Ray > WOR Hasn't been taken care of is an understatement. CC will have to redo the entire array. Now, remember, earlier I mentioned even on the single stick for the day, the field strength is 25% , yes ONLY TWENTY FIVE percent of what it should be. The 1400 WCOS is on the original 5/8 wave stick that Bobby Lambert engineered when the station was put on the air, and it's PERFECT on IBOC. Grrrrrreat bandwith, everything JUST right! Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 30 17:52:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10213 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2005 01:52:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2005 01:52:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2005 01:52:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 41829 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2005 01:52:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20051231015239.41827.qmail@web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.109] by web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:52:39 PST Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:52:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Older transmitters running IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=9t4YFPdGlkpJi6hu5VPTLZ4KPHwzs0S4YUZtGfXVJkA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > wrote: > > Sad to say, there are hundreds of stations like > this, which won't be > > able to convert to IBOC without a large, > expensive, and time- > > consuming upgrade of their facilities. So if IBOC > is ever mandated, > > these stations will drop like flies... > > > Unfortunately, these stations will do so regardless > of IBOC > operation....it will only take a while before they > can't meet their > FCC license requirements for signal efficiency and > pattern shape, and > by that time will sound so bad, they'll have lost > most of their > audience anyway. They're gonna pay now or later. > > Tom Ray > WOR We are all going to pay later. I'm wondering if ANY station will decode at night at my location. I am located 5.8 miles down US 1 from the SC state capital buildings which is also on US1. Daytime I have excellent signals, but at night no. I'm about 3 air miles from 1320 WISW and their 4 tower array (2500 night) gives me about 500 watts. With WVOC about 5 air miles or less on 560 I'm also in a minor null. It MAY NOT decode at night. What kind of field strength is required ? Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 30 18:42:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93067 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2005 02:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2005 02:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2005 02:42:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2005 02:41:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2005 02:41:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2005 02:41:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:41:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.224.20 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Older transmitters running IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=6qtjbNs8JuSEjqqH97jcko2PkUo0aauYNN03RLrUjqfLtj98qA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That's interesting...because the iBiquity mask I have on file from=20 > 2002 shows the area in the "original" iBiquity mask on this diagram > as being -60dBc.....and it was lowered to -65dBc. Straight from the horse's mouth: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-02-286A3.pdf Refer to "Alternative Spectral Emissions Limit for Hybrid Mode" on=20 pages 27 and 28. There's no doubt that iBiquity's original mask was overly optimistic. I bet even if you turned off WOR's transmitter you wouldn't be able=20 to get a -100 dB noise floor on your spectrum analyzer! From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Dec 31 10:10:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99180 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2005 18:10:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2005 18:10:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2005 18:10:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2005 18:09:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2005 18:09:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:09:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051229193528.95205.qmail@web52010.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.9.185 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Station count 12/28/05 & changes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=Mq3zy0yWylEsuToX-juR866ysq0MIOJvFZeqaRJMvqTOB5QW6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > As of yesterday, 184 AM Stereo stations were > listed on amstereoradio.com, 113 of which are in > the U.S.. >=20 Is that all there is now ? What was the maximum no of ams stations=20 anyone ? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Dec 31 14:43:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+H243+8+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53336 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2005 22:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2005 22:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2005 22:43:57 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.245]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 41284644 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:43:51 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c60e5c$63ab7940$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <00d801c60ce5$45ead5e0$d503fea9@stodd> <00cd01c60cf9$7dc1a2f0$6702a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:48:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 2, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.245 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=oiH60R5fAVyjipZbz9_-_sBL0QtD_OXMD2jjAz0tBt9adX1sMm8o X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude OOOooo- a man after my own heart. But then, you're not married are you? One of these decades I'll get that Gates stereo yard rebuilt and do something similar. One of these years I'll have to get me a tube CD player too. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > Perhaps I like to play with audio a little too much.....Nah, EVERYBODY has a > prod studio in their living room! > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Dec 31 18:12:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24698 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2006 02:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2006 02:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2006 02:12:49 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EssiE-0004kL-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:12:46 -0500 Message-ID: <008401c60e78$db52f830$6502a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <00d801c60ce5$45ead5e0$d503fea9@stodd> <00cd01c60cf9$7dc1a2f0$6702a8c0@PossumHunter> <003901c60e5c$63ab7940$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:11:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo is "On" in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=hjH6ttgNP_ee3BurX8Cywiu7J1kFUqQ0Z_SbMGV8RjftydIdRe7v4KUt4N3hwg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: > One of these decades I'll get that Gates stereo yard rebuilt and do > something similar. The Yard is pretty simple to work on, so why not fix it? > > One of these years I'll have to get me a tube CD player too. Sniff around and you may find one. I paid $10 bucks for mine in a pawn shop up in Ocala because it had no left channel. New Svetlana tubes fixed that little issue. Needless to say the pawn broker had no idea what he had! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Jan 01 05:30:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84860 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2006 13:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2006 13:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.96) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2006 13:30:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 05:30:45 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.41 by BAY106-DAV24.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 13:30:45 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 13:30:45 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2006 13:30:45.0893 (UTC) FILETIME=[921F7350:01C60ED7] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: (ABDX) WGUL/WKFD and Steve Bousquet//Aanother farewell to live,loval and music on WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to Kevin R in Arizona for posting this and to Dick Wheeler for bringing it to my attention. (the newspaper was on my kitchen counter, but if you don't open the newspaper, it's hard to know what's inside! :) ) _____________________________ You know you're getting older when you wake up one morning and what you thought was older people's music is your music. This realization hit me on a recent trip to St Petersburg. To my dismay, I discovered that a great little radio station, WGUL in Palm Harbor, 860 AM, no longer was "Tampa Bay's Music of Your Life." It had been sold and changed to an all-talk format, and the station's DJs had scattered to 1063 FM. __________________ Yes corporate radio bought out WGUL and it's no longer live and local, not even the wonderful music it used to have; the WGUL people over 40, knew and loved is dead, except for the call letters. But hey, at least corporate radio is alive and well!. (although unlistenable for the most part and virtually useless for listeners for the most part) Donn latitude 27.761 +++++++++++++++++++++ Subject: [ABDX] WGUL/WKFD and Steve Bousquet ______________________ Radio station first tuned this reporter in to news TIMES DEPUTY CAPITAL BUREAU CHIEF By STEVE BOUSQUET, Times Staff Writer Published December 31, 2005 You know you're getting older when you wake up one morning and what you thought was older people's music is your music. This realization hit me on a recent trip to St Petersburg. To my dismay, I discovered that a great little radio station, WGUL in Palm Harbor, 860 AM, no longer was "Tampa Bay's Music of Your Life." It had been sold and changed to an all-talk format, and the station's DJs had scattered to 1063 FM. Just what America needs: another radio station with wall-to-wall blather, beamed in via satellite, that sounds exactly like the station in Orlando, Jacksonville, Dothan . .(or Miami, Atlanta, Lynchburg,Va...... ad nauseam) Give me the old WGUL. With its mature-sounding announcers and live remotes from stores on U.S. 19, it had a warm, comfortable sound. But as we boomers turn past 50, we're becoming an undesirable demographic. We're all about to get a year older, so I thought this was a good time to reintroduce myself. As the Times' bureau chief in Tallahassee, I'll be writing a column on a regular basis, sharing observations about Florida government and politics and trying to connect the dots and explain why things are. The journey to here began 34 years ago, at a radio station on Narragansett Bay in Rhode Island, where I made $2 an hour covering local news and extra money by spinning Patti Page and Perry Como songs on weekends. As news director, it was my job to be sure we covered everything: obituaries, false fire alarms, even library trustees meetings. But if a record skipped, nobody called. That may be why little WKFD is long gone. It was there that I put into daily practice the lessons learned in journalism classes at the University of Rhode Island about getting it right. If I butchered a name over the air, that lady from Newport was apt to call and correct me again. When my radio duties disrupted Thanksgiving dinner one year, my mother asked in a disapproving tone: "Is that what you're going to do for the rest of your life? Spin records?" Another radio station followed, then another. I moved to television. Everybody in Rhode Island and eastern Connecticut watched WJAR, an NBC station owned by a department store chain. When a blizzard paralyzed downtown Providence in 1978, people took shelter anywhere they could, even in the store's bedding department below our newsroom. For entertainment, the station projected movies from its film library onto the wall Snowbound hordes sat on Sealy Posturepedics, watching John Wayne in The Sons of Katie Elder, the previous week's Million-Dollar Movie. Everything changed in 1981, especially the weather. I headed to Florida for a job at a Miami station. I didn't know the Eden Roc Hotel from my left elbow, but WPLG had a staff that matched its great reputation. The station spent real money in pursuit of political stories and sent me to Iowa and New Hampshire in 1984, to follow Reubin Askew in his lonely quest of the Democratic presidential nomination. But after more than a decade in broadcasting, I knew I preferred the written word. Writing was harder, but more gratifying. You can't tape a TV news story to a refrigerator. The Miami Herald hired me to cover local politics. In 1988, the paper sent me to Tallahassee and I found my journalistic home covering state government, politics and the Legislature. The Times, and in particular Lucy Morgan, whom I am replacing, became the latest twist in this circuitous road when it welcomed me four years ago. So here I am. And here we all are, as we await 2006. Steve Bousquet is capital bureau chief of the Times. He can be reached at sbousquet@sptimes.com http://www.sptimes.com/2005/12/31/Columns/Radio_station_first_t.shtml ----------------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Sun Jan 01 13:19:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94294 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2006 21:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2006 21:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2006 21:19:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2006 21:18:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2006 21:18:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:18:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051231015239.41827.qmail@web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Older transmitters running IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=WIbwjXaLiar7nUWmPZcvEAGrO3efpm1D-SA9XtuQM2kw0JAk X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > We are all going to pay later. I'm wondering if ANY > station will decode at night at my location. I am > located 5.8 miles down US 1 from the SC state capital > buildings which is also on US1. Daytime I have > excellent signals, but at night no. I'm about 3 air > miles from 1320 WISW and their 4 tower array (2500 > night) gives me about 500 watts. With WVOC about 5 air > miles or less on 560 I'm also in a minor null. It MAY > NOT decode at night. What kind of field strength is > required ? >=20 1/2 mV. TR From tomray@wor710.com Sun Jan 01 13:21:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20422 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2006 21:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2006 21:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2006 21:21:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2006 21:19:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2006 21:19:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:19:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Older transmitters running IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=ZNVyUELDEI2DYLzfOwmmxkD321egF0aKoN11t2UlX0DQ7Mgh X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: >=20 > There's no doubt that iBiquity's original mask was overly optimistic. > I bet even if you turned off WOR's transmitter you wouldn't be able=20 > to get a -100 dB noise floor on your spectrum analyzer! I bet you're right! I haven't been to very many sites where you could=20 do that....you were lucky to be able to read -80, never mind -100dB. TR From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jan 01 15:11:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+qNxh+9+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29324 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2006 23:11:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2006 23:11:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2006 23:11:50 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.119]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 41019342 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 17:11:48 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c60f29$777267e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:16:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 19, in=24, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.119 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} (ABDX) WGUL/WKFD and Steve Bousquet//Aanother farewell to live,loval and music on WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=5Jnd3Lj0_uRnEY2r_8SI_6cRnsqqXPbbbquHdnHyhsSkEs-6m324 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Our MOYL station was sold to an outfit that plays Mexican music, so I understand the feeling. There isn't any ONE cause of all this, though the most culpable were the congress critters who raised the ownership caps to unseemly levels. We, as well as the author of this article may bemoan what's happening, but I doubt anyone forced the sale of either WGUL there, or KLBB here. There are just some rather brilliant individuals who were able to take advantage of the situation. Regardless of what we think of them, I seriously doubt Clear Channel, Viacom/Infinity, Salem, etc., could have gotten to where they are if every station they programmed was a dud. With virtually the same programming as WGUL, WWTC has appreciable ratings for the first time in years! I had the privilege of having lunch with Garry Lysiac of Owl Engineering last Friday. He used to work for the FCC, and he's predicting the government will break up Clear Channel because they own not only so many stations, but also outdoor advertising and have control of venue bookings, if not owning the venues outright. He's also hopeful that station caps within markets will be lowered. Considering he was recommending computerization back before just about anyone was doing it, he's got a pretty good track record. Let's hope it continues so that more folks who love radio may get back into station ownership. One other observation- why is it that people are tired of each station sounding like the next, but in the XM/Sirius world all you have are national services as well, yet folks are willing to pay for that? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > This realization hit me on a recent trip to St Petersburg. To my dismay, I discovered that a great little radio station, WGUL in Palm Harbor, 860 AM, no longer was "Tampa Bay's Music of Your Life." It had been sold and changed to an all-talk format, and the station's DJs had scattered to 1063 FM. > > Just what America needs: another radio station with wall-to-wall blather, beamed in via satellite, that sounds exactly like the station in Orlando, Jacksonville, Dothan . .(or Miami, Atlanta, Lynchburg,Va...... ad nauseam) From link_s86@yahoo.com Sun Jan 01 16:02:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: link_s86@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96947 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 00:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 00:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 00:02:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 00:01:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 00:01:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 00:01:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 00:01:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.167.114.39 From: "link_s86" Subject: Is this true? from radio-info eng board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182920769; y=yOiPhNNKbRSbhIKTqucZMdAys-AaY-hafH1UoQ6p7emBavc X-Yahoo-Profile: link_s86 I found this message on the radio-info eng board. is it true? "Sorry about posting so late, but I just found this thread.=20 Regarding CQAM reducing a station's coverage, here is my experience,=20 using several multistandard units as well as dedicated CQAM units.=20 There is no way your field strength can change one bit, however:=20 If you transmit with asymetric modulaton (130% positive peaks) some=20 or all stereo receivers will sense that the balance is shifted to (I=20 think it is) the right side. In order to keep all stereo radios from=20 sounding louder on one side than the other, you must transmit=20 symetric modulation with no positive peak enhancement. The issue here=20 becomes that you loose from 15% to 30% loudness (especially) in=20 monaural radios by not enhancing those positive peaks.=20 This was never an issue with the K-H(ISB) system I loved so dearly. ______________ Proud 2 B a pioneering satellite radio subs=A2riber=20 Ai4i is always on the trailing edge of technology=20 _______________ Edited by ai4i on 12/30/05 09:27 AM." From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Jan 01 16:16:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23835 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 00:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 00:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.95) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 00:16:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 16:16:07 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.44 by BAY106-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 00:16:07 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 00:16:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2006 00:16:07.0958 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA45AB60:01C60F31] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} (ABDX) WGUL/WKFD and Steve Bousquet//Aanother farewell to live,loval and music on WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "One other observation- why is it that people are tired of each station sounding like the next, but in the XM/Sirius world all you have are national services as well, yet folks are willing to pay for that?" _________________________________ One observation begets another: Back in the mid 1970's to early 1980's, the same question was asked in reference to Cable TV then later Satellite TV. (why pay for tv when you can pull it directly off the air for free?). I guess we should give credit to those brilliant people/corportations that take advantage of situations. Now the thought of commercial A.M. radio has reminded me that I have to take the garbage out. More later. Donn, St Petersburg,FL -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd Sent: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:16:55 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} (ABDX) WGUL/WKFD and Steve Bousquet//Aanother farewell to live,loval and music on WGUL Our MOYL station was sold to an outfit that plays Mexican music, so I understand the feeling. There isn't any ONE cause of all this, though the most culpable were the congress critters who raised the ownership caps to unseemly levels. We, as well as the author of this article may bemoan what's happening, but I doubt anyone forced the sale of either WGUL there, or KLBB here. There are just some rather brilliant individuals who were able to take advantage of the situation. Regardless of what we think of them, I seriously doubt Clear Channel, Viacom/Infinity, Salem, etc., could have gotten to where they are if every station they programmed was a dud. With virtually the same programming as WGUL, WWTC has appreciable ratings for the first time in years! I had the privilege of having lunch with Garry Lysiac of Owl Engineering last Friday. He used to work for the FCC, and he's predicting the government will break up Clear Channel because they own not only so many stations, but also outdoor advertising and have control of venue bookings, if not owning the venues outright. He's also hopeful that station caps within markets will be lowered. Considering he was recommending computerization back before just about anyone was doing it, he's got a pretty good track record. Let's hope it continues so that more folks who love radio may get back into station ownership. One other observation- why is it that people are tired of each station sounding like the next, but in the XM/Sirius world all you have are national services as well, yet folks are willing to pay for that? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > This realization hit me on a recent trip to St Petersburg. To my dismay, I discovered that a great little radio station, WGUL in Palm Harbor, 860 AM, no longer was "Tampa Bay's Music of Your Life." It had been sold and changed to an all-talk format, and the station's DJs had scattered to 1063 FM. > > Just what America needs: another radio station with wall-to-wall blather, beamed in via satellite, that sounds exactly like the station in Orlando, Jacksonville, Dothan . .(or Miami, Atlanta, Lynchburg,Va...... ad nauseam) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditpro@charter.net Sun Jan 01 16:16:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49656 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 00:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 00:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf17.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.217) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 00:16:28 -0000 Received: from mxip27a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip27a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.184]) by mxsf17.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k020Fv65026020 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:15:57 -0500 Received: from 24-241-14-097.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([24.241.14.97]) by mxip27a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 01 Jan 2006 19:15:57 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,318,1131339600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="589936890:sNHT21372416" Message-ID: <000a01c60f31$b59a99e0$610ef118@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:15:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Gates Yard and other old gear X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=EjGI1bTyS3RZu69m-u4OTEROLibj-BNfHk_-rYcMiD4CUKW5-XCMTSROu7gm X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, I found a wonderful company that can rebuild most anything for a fair price... http://www.lightnerelectronics.com/ These guys do great work for our stations and they know what they are doing. I've had a few things redone and they all came back right up to factory spec or better. I'd love to find one of these beautiful Gates Executive boards one day and build a nice home studio. Many of the stations I grew up with in my home market had those and I just loved they way they looked and sounded. The first board I ever used was an LPB Signature 10 with some neat mods that made it super functional. Newer stuff may sound somewhat better but it certainly does not have the class or character of those old consoles. Happy New Year to Everyone! :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jan 01 17:14:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+6Yl/+10+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26519 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 01:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 01:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 01:14:05 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.119]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 38864892 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 19:14:02 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c60f3a$8ade92c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000a01c60f31$b59a99e0$610ef118@yourfd6nvjcer4> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:19:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.119 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gates Yard and other old gear X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ANebMiWgT4oqjf8U8xDP9oZkn6EFJOzreuRn97HLcXSU-YhyBFj2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I do all the electronics work myself. My biggest headache is finding mechanical parts for such things as tape decks. I agree about the old gear having a class that newer stuff doesn't have. A lot of folks hated those old "snowplow" consoles, but I always thought they looked cool too. The old germanium transistor amps were junk, though. I shouldn't have too much trouble getting that Stereo Yard up and running; mostly a matter of time to do it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Collins" > I found a wonderful company that can rebuild most anything for a fair price... > > http://www.lightnerelectronics.com/ > > These guys do great work for our stations and they know what they are doing. I've had a few things redone and they all came back right up to factory spec or better. > > I'd love to find one of these beautiful Gates Executive boards one day and build a nice home studio. Many of the stations I grew up with in my home market had those and I just loved they way they looked and sounded. The first board I ever used was an LPB Signature 10 with some neat mods that made it super functional. Newer stuff may sound somewhat better but it certainly does not have the class or character of those old consoles. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jan 01 17:20:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+6Yl/+10+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1832 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 01:20:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 01:20:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 01:20:41 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.119]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 41538306 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 19:17:09 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c60f3a$fac56c80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:22:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 34, in=37, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.119 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is this true? from radio-info eng board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=nEcQCaKM-s_Ppbv1vBBlHDV8Cbl7zOLxv6b7xso8kWgiq7bnhr6a X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Doesn't sound right to me. IIRC the biggest problem was that it created *distortion* in the right channel. Seems to me you could do about +120 and still get it to sound OK. +130 is 5% above FCC maximums anyway. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "link_s86" I found this message on the radio-info eng board. is it true? If you transmit with asymetric modulaton (130% positive peaks) some or all stereo receivers will sense that the balance is shifted to (I think it is) the right side. In order to keep all stereo radios from sounding louder on one side than the other, you must transmit symetric modulation with no positive peak enhancement. The issue here becomes that you loose from 15% to 30% loudness (especially) in monaural radios by not enhancing those positive peaks. This was never an issue with the K-H(ISB) system I loved so dearly. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 01 18:07:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16263 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 02:07:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 02:07:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 02:07:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 02:07:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 02:07:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 02:07:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c60f29$777267e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.27.224 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} (ABDX) WGUL/WKFD and Steve Bousquet//Aanother farewell to live,loval and music on WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=LhAKWMnhPfxtH6_9SDSyi_bfxpDydN5APAP2ClZHhOUv6cxo X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > [...] Let's hope it continues so that more folks who > love radio may get back into station ownership. Only if they change their model from frequency auctions back to=20 conventional license applications will we see this hazppen. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Jan 01 19:21:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44443 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 03:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 03:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.241.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 03:21:44 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060102032048.GYFX20875.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:20:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: <000b01c60f29$777267e0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <000b01c60f29$777267e0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4AD2E281-B68D-44CB-A282-F49FD2B9EC78@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:21:43 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} (ABDX) WGUL/WKFD and Steve Bousquet//Aanother farewell to live,loval and music on WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=oc9AzZPTJItFHsN-5UrhKgpXLlsesdkYqECN4cX5nDoz7dd39mwBupr2oKGe X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Because they DON'T sound like the broadcast stations. On Jan 1, 2006, at 3:16 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > One other observation- why is it that people are tired of each station > sounding like the next, but in the XM/Sirius world all you have are > national > services as well, yet folks are willing to pay for that? From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 01 19:46:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30199 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 03:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 03:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 03:46:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 03:45:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 03:45:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:45:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4AD2E281-B68D-44CB-A282-F49FD2B9EC78@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.27.224 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} (ABDX) WGUL/WKFD and Steve Bousquet//Aanother farewell to live,loval and music on WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=J8Mwv2grRskxWg9ctNijPJ78bmaJCF6VD2k4plpgxtqq0ZfT X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > > Because they DON'T sound like the broadcast stations. >=20 > On Jan 1, 2006, at 3:16 PM, Scott Todd wrote: >=20 > > One other observation- why is it that people are tired of each=20 station > > sounding like the next, but in the XM/Sirius world all you have=20 are=20=20 > > national > > services as well, yet folks are willing to pay for that? > Aside from the 8-12 hour repeating programming on XM's Decades=20 channels........ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bd6xray@lycos.com Sun Jan 01 20:25:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bd6xray@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56784 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 04:25:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 04:25:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 04:25:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 04:25:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 04:25:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 04:25:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c60f29$777267e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.131.0.168 From: "bd6xray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} (ABDX) WGUL/WKFD and Steve Bousquet//Aanother farewell to live,loval and music on WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83174981; y=GH-5XN0lSBIKccI_LgdwRk42SYDAs26TFRDFsfe7nUC2Ww X-Yahoo-Profile: bd6xray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I had the privilege of having lunch with Garry Lysiac of Owl=20 Engineering > last Friday. He used to work for the FCC, and he's predicting the > government will break up Clear Channel because they own not only so=20 many > stations, but also outdoor advertising and have control of venue=20 bookings, > if not owning the venues outright.=20 Clear Channel's Entertainment Division has been totally spun off, it's=20 now a seperate company ("CCE Spinco") with all of the music venues,=20 ticketing, music promotion and motor sports activities. In addition, 10% of Clear Channel Outdoor Holdings has been sold in a=20 public offering in November. Al Hajny From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 01 22:18:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31499 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 06:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 06:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 06:18:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 06:18:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 06:18:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 06:18:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.210.137 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Bargain alert: stereo Optimod 9100B on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=beHnuPvuObwVyQzWWftJIvMgsCfMyQhTi_ukeacxNt-puBUv3w X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Catch it while you can... looks like it's in perfect condition, and=20 $1700 sure beats paying Orban $8950 for a new one! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D7379125896 From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 01 23:32:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2193 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 07:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 07:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.212) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 07:32:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 74449 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 07:32:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.142.254.52 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 07:32:32 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c60ee1$3c0c3020$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 06:39:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Subject: Happy New Year!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=o1NjYGoxtZMaFOv6BxUArAtyx4zHEk2lnkl4oNu3cs97hWcyWWR3G3F9cx44yyZFDrrq6ORm X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Happy New Year in AM STEREO land. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 02 00:53:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70475 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 08:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 08:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 08:53:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 08:51:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 08:51:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 08:51:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c60ee1$3c0c3020$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.3.3 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Happy New Year!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=QOqb5bwMtR3lBulqJPYKsseFFcz4MwTQ2_ovKNE-1zIAMlXL X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang Happy New Year in AM STEREO land. Jim Smith At least I can get CKMX (1060 Calgary, Canada) clearly. :) CKBD (600=20 Vancouver, Canada) has to share its space with KGB in San Diego, so=20 it's not always in the clear... But with this mini-renaissance that saeems to be going on, maybe- just=20 maybe- there will finally be some more west-coast AMS stations to=20 listen to at nigtht.,.. I hope! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Jan 02 02:28:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90996 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 10:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 10:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 10:28:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 10:27:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 10:27:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 10:27:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:27:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.142.211.225 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: Happy New Year!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=HWPB7NReVT0IF2cdpU3v0sce0cJIZiCIEdV5kDavlNAebbkL5iyN1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > Hi Gang Happy New Year in AM STEREO land. Jim Smith >=20 > At least I can get CKMX (1060 Calgary, Canada) clearly. :) CKBD=20 (600=20 > Vancouver, Canada) has to share its space with KGB in San Diego, so=20 > it's not always in the clear... >=20 > But with this mini-renaissance that saeems to be going on, maybe-=20 just=20 > maybe- there will finally be some more west-coast AMS stations to=20 > listen to at nigtht.,.. >=20 > I hope! >=20 Hi Amy Mouse I wish i could say that. I don't get the sky wave=20 like you do and there has been a bit of a set back here in the=20 Sacramento Ca area. Talk radio KCTC AM 1320 has been mono sence mid=20 Dec 05. The only one i can get dering day time is KCBC 770 AM STEREO=20 and at night KABC 790 AM STEREO(week) and 1670am ?radio dis-me(=20 week). I can't get the pacific rim or east of the Rockes and there is=20 only one Canadan station i can get on AM 1010 mono in the fall. Jim=20 Smith > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 02 02:33:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42691 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 10:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 10:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52011.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.94) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 10:33:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 1694 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2006 10:32:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20060102103203.1692.qmail@web52011.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [38.100.146.10] by web52011.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 02:32:03 PST Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:32:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Station count 12/28/05 & changes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=jQQTpnCV459t9gslYEn_Gx10oBs7ACfa0M8QPTcLwWZMbmEqHHkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio The maximum was around 432 worldwide. As of 12/31 it was 185, but WLGZ was not listed which is stereo with WTTM & CHML being listed as stereo even though they're not. __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Jan 02 02:44:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59807 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 10:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 10:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 10:44:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 10:43:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 10:43:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:43:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060102103203.1692.qmail@web52011.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.142.211.225 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: Station count 12/28/05 & changes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=jGJPeQCFX0-wdLa57rMVVal3XK-Jl8bIn9cfXdKxKKDxmhfX0g-xsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > The maximum was around 432 worldwide. As of > 12/31 it was 185, but WLGZ was not listed which > is stereo with WTTM & CHML being listed as stereo > even though they're not. >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=09 > __________________________________=20 > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year.=20 > http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ > Hi JRN The list need to be updated. Jim Smith From aalso@netzero.com Mon Jan 02 02:49:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15088 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 10:49:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 10:49:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) (64.202.165.199) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 10:49:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 11895 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 10:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (70.153.233.174) by smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.199) with ESMTP; 02 Jan 2006 10:48:31 -0000 Message-ID: <43B904FE.3080405@netzero.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 05:48:30 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1136195512.352.66566.m17@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1136195512.352.66566.m17@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.202.165.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: Re: Is this true? from radio-info eng board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819; y=KzjLSeGcE_5Kwe6IatJUxxwU5faPPWVzJYwi64TbvIv63w X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr I don't think this is true. What you do sacrifice with any imbalance of the stereo signal is separation. In thinking about it and running the math (provided I used the correct algebraic equivalent for the circuit involved) what you would end up with is about 12.5% loss of separation. And since an asymmetrical signal is distorted by definition you'll have an increased distortion as well. Left channel = 1.25 (L+R) + L-R or 2.25L + 0.25R ---> % = 100% L + 11.1% R Right channel = 1.25(L+R) + R-L or 2.25R + 0.25L ---> % = 100% R + 11.1% L So if my math is right you are losing separation, not having a level shift. Alan Alsobrook CE 1170 WSOS CQUAM AMS St. Augustine Fla. >Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:22:18 -0600 > From: "Scott Todd" >Subject: Re: Is this true? from radio-info eng board > >Doesn't sound right to me. IIRC the biggest problem was that it created >*distortion* in the right channel. Seems to me you could do about +120 and >still get it to sound OK. +130 is 5% above FCC maximums anyway. > >Scott Todd > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "link_s86" > >I found this message on the radio-info eng board. is it true? > > > > > > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 02 03:52:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47636 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 11:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 11:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52011.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.94) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 11:52:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 26954 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2006 11:51:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20060102115131.26952.qmail@web52011.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [38.100.146.10] by web52011.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:51:31 PST Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 03:51:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Station count 1/2/06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Z_-PBfVZt_RbS2X_YwIfyNstpRcgmfDpMAXzijm24IyVX-MtKuzT X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Scratch that: WLGZ & WWKB HAVE been added...thank you! In case anyone was interested, WALE/990-Greenville, R.I. has been off the air since TUESDAY (12/27/05). With their telephone-quality audio, it's not any big loss. Does anyone know if AM1566 in Ireland is still broadcasting. A gentleman on this list, Andy (I think it was, in Waterford, Ireland) operated it. From what I know of Irish law, the station is legal, or *not* illegal. How about AM603 in northern Europe? They're on, aren't they? Australia: 10 Bahamas: 1 Brazil: 2 Canada: 12 China: 3 (Hong Kong) China: 4 (Taiwan) Costa Rica: 1 Dominican Republic: 2 France: 1 Indonesia: 1 Italy: 2 Japan: 16 Mexico: 3 Panama: 1 Paraguay: 1 Phillipines: 2 South Africa: 3 South Korea: 1 Swaziland: 1 Thailand: 4 U.S. (including U.S.V.I. & P.R.): 119 Venezuela: 3 TOTAL: 192 Fun thing: if you Google "AM1566" you will find station "VL2NI" as the 1st hit. I guess it is true: Australian stations are really VL#XX instead of just #XX (VL3MP vs. "3MP"). So, what are New Zealand stations? ZK#XX? Do we have any members that can hear KAOI/1110-Maui, Hi. I remember finding their website about 7 years ago & it saying they were in stereo. OK, that's enough posting for this year...see you in '07! 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 02 04:31:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15674 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 12:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 12:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52006.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 12:31:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 17730 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2006 12:31:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20060102123119.17728.qmail@web52006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [38.100.146.10] by web52006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 04:31:19 PST Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 04:31:19 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Stop me if you've heard this one! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=DFXMHnjiyATD7RB-Jby0SdqCR8qzNl57ACtjGmh46yYScXLuz3F5 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio My friend is on a quad e-mail list & one of the memebers works for KBPS/1450-Portland, Or.. Apparently the old "SQ" system of decoding quad off of an L.P. is very close to AM Stereo so he was talking about one night going into KBPS & playing Pink Floyd on air through an automatic system so he could hook an SQ decoder to his AM Stereo radio & listen to Pink Floyd...IN AM QUAD! 73, Jay, N1WVQ, WQBI410 __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Mon Jan 02 04:48:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41042 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 12:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 12:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 12:48:28 -0000 Received: from [4.247.121.193] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EtP5g-0001og-9m for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 07:47:08 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006112124713109@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.108.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:47:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc29dd87a30d66c5f7e089405833fdb1d1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} Happy New Year!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=5dU_kGYLoczlTuakyXfY8E9MQi2mKQkuCWRvpW0jO5qA4g Happy New Year! Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: > To: am stereo forum > Cc: jim smith > Date: 1/2/2006 2:32:35 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Happy New Year!!!! > > Hi Gang Happy New Year in AM STEREO land. Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Mon Jan 02 04:48:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23749 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 12:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 12:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 12:48:28 -0000 Received: from [4.247.121.193] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EtP4I-0001Q0-24 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 07:45:42 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006112124546671@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.108.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:45:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc29dd87a30d66c5f7af40d9ce8c0cad29350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} (ABDX) WGUL/WKFD and Steve Bousquet//Aanother farewell to live,loval and music on WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=Urwsbz5ivPIYtY7Z8vDDWR2KPC0QEXZ27Q9WFtJM5r4IPw I would point out that although there is a market for services like XM, and probably a large one at that, there are people like myself who like radio that speaks about (and to) local people, places, and events, and right now we're not listening to all this nationalized generic programming. I've switched to CDs and tapes pretty much, because I'm just bored with faceless generic radio programming. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Richard Wagoner > To: > Date: 1/1/2006 10:21:46 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} (ABDX) WGUL/WKFD and Steve Bousquet//Aanother farewell to live,loval and music on WGUL > > Because they DON'T sound like the broadcast stations. > > On Jan 1, 2006, at 3:16 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > > > One other observation- why is it that people are tired of each station > > sounding like the next, but in the XM/Sirius world all you have are > > national > > services as well, yet folks are willing to pay for that? > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From oldphones@webtv.net Mon Jan 02 06:05:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45873 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 14:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 14:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.137) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 14:05:04 -0000 Received: from storefull-3338.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id AC223D652 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 06:04:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3338.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id GAA20790; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 06:04:52 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQjFy7S1yS9amxmNYLx5H6CzT2FSwIUcWHyuP5ko9UMjz9J33coKRm39L8= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:04:52 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: billsnyder@webtv.net Message-ID: <17647-43B93304-662@storefull-3338.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 2 Jan 2006 09:51:52 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1771 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=ybJYxZkRqR5nkgcEuBJODTBmcf3sLm2elsCWUVqBQR8qcrBC1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 I concur with a lot that Donn Tillman and Scott Todd said about about the loss of WGUL. There's way too many "cookie cutter" stations out there. Some radio exec types thing that playing a local DJ to spin tunes, give the weather , tell people what going on in the locality costs tooo much $$$ --- but it's cheap to bring in some canned, voice tracked programming off the satellite. The old days of automated F M beautiful music type stations seems much an improvement over what some stations put out today, no wonder many stations have assbismal ratings with that kind of cookie cutter attitude. While in the news/ talk format, some nationally syndicated programming is needed, locally oriented and produced programming is just as important to give a station some balance and to > serve the needs of the public in the local community. Public service, what a concept!!. A History Lesson Recently a former G M and popular Dee jay on KOIL and now KKAR suddenly passed away, Terry Mason England. HE helped to keep KOIL going though some difficult times in the 1980's,> radio was changing.. the top 40 glory days of the late 50's, 60's and 70's were fading, many listeners were drifting to F.M. KOIL was in an especially bad situation as KFAB Co-owed KGOR was becoming the dominate top 40 // oldies station , And KOIL lost their FM station's (KEFM) tower// transmitter in 1980 during a tornadic thunderstorm -- SO they had NO FM facility to help subsidize the AM operation from 1981 thorough 1987. Being evicted from the longtime KOIL // KEFM studios at 8901 Indian Hills to the AM transmitter site was no picnic...either. KOIL AM stereo was tried but never really the big success many had hoped for... The old KOIL essentially "died" shortly after Terry Mason moved to Orlando, FL where he worked for WOTS and other stations... THE Day the Music Died >>> The day in 1990 they fired the DJ's and went all to satellite programming SERIOUSLY hastened the decline of KOIL. Also, about the same time- KFAB dropped all their music programming and went all news talk in 1990. In 1987 Koil finally acquired an FM station at 103.7 as KOMJ, a short lived Top 40 station...then went Country... It wasn't long the new FM side 103.7 and 1290 KOIL went to a Kat Country format as a KXKT-fm and KOIL-AM simulcast. Gary's Java's sports program was about the only locally produced show on KOIL 1290 and latter continued on KKAR. (Ironically 103.7 KXTK today is one of Omaha's top rated stations.) Maybe the final blow was the May 1993 transmitter fire that burned up the old KOIL 1290 Transmitter causing the "sounds of silence" on 1290 during the summer of 1993. 1180 KKAR and KOIL swapped frequencies in the fall of 1993 shortly after 1290 had a new state of the art transmitter installed, and Mitchell Broadcasting was the new owner of both stations. 1290 KKAR continues today as a moderately successful news/talk station on 1290 AM, But will likely never reach the kind of ratings it had in it's Top 40 days years ago. KKAR decided to bring back some of the old Koil air talent to revamp their AM Omaha program so we had the experience to Hear Terry Mason for such a brief period of time last year. Despite the many changes , there is a lot of reverence at KKAR for what 1290 KOIL once was: " The Legend " in Omaha broadcasting. Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 593-6841 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 02 06:06:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39201 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 14:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 14:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52003.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 14:06:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 47133 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2006 14:01:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20060102140150.47131.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [38.100.146.10] by web52003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 06:01:50 PST Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 06:01:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060102115131.26952.qmail@web52011.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: JNR Subject: 3 more to add X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=vedF_L7cFcsHmBaP6-44wr3XEgDPir86AJMcfljh5E3pJbSIHfG9 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio According to various places on the internet, there are at least these 3 stations broadcasting in stereo. KLVP/1040-Tigard, Or. "K-Love" KOFI/1180-Kalispell, Mt. "AM Stereo 1180" WFOB/1430-Fostoria, Oh.: N/T, Country If all 3 are in stereo, that would bring the U.S. count to 122 and the total to 195. Jay __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jan 02 08:54:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64661 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 16:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 16:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 16:54:17 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.29] (pool-70-111-222-223.nwrk.east.verizon.net [70.111.222.223]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k02GsJIh052971 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:54:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <43B95AEB.8030509@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 11:55:07 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Station count 12/28/05 & changes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=v2vXBm-zTkUagM9qIvb10aFjbcY8Zs6tV8e1X8kufT6v9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jimsmith95663 wrote: Jim the reason WTTM is NOT currently in AM stereo is Because I have been having problems with the new digital transmitter.. once all the bugs are worked out. I will be turning it back ON... so Dont dismiss WTTM as NOT being in AM Stereo.. It will Be.. I have not Connected it. this way I know that is not the Cause Of the Failures. from the first time I turned on the NEW transmitter Its had problems.. Neal -CE >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > >>The maximum was around 432 worldwide. As of >>12/31 it was 185, but WLGZ was not listed which >>is stereo with WTTM & CHML being listed as stereo >>even though they're not. >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. >>http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ >> >> >> >Hi JRN The list need to be updated. Jim Smith > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Jan 02 11:55:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+6Yl/+10+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39266 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 19:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 19:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 19:55:30 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.218.14]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 41868974 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:55:16 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c60fd7$2e8cc300$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:00:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.047000 Subject has lots of exclamation marks=1.0 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.218.14 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Happy New Year!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=sR2LIU2g3ZWpVVflEc7j45yWe8BQWNEp2hsDv-ZGwKhO0USdOhfr X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Jim, Have you thought of getting a tuned loop antenna to aid reception? They're easy to use, and not to hard to build if you have the parts. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimsmith95663" > Hi Amy Mouse I wish i could say that. I don't get the sky wave > like you do and there has been a bit of a set back here in the > Sacramento Ca area. Talk radio KCTC AM 1320 has been mono sence mid > Dec 05. The only one i can get dering day time is KCBC 770 AM STEREO > and at night KABC 790 AM STEREO(week) and 1670am ?radio dis-me( > week). I can't get the pacific rim or east of the Rockes and there is > only one Canadan station i can get on AM 1010 mono in the fall. Jim > Smith From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 02 12:10:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18324 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 20:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 20:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 20:10:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 20:09:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 20:09:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:09:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <380-22006112124546671@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.100 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} (ABDX) WGUL/WKFD and Steve Bousquet//Aanother farewell to live,loval and music on WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=URtSuYT62I-2pmSKnuLdTJMfPZqgJT76DKI8b6-1XDQpce3E X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > I would point out that although there is a market for services like=20 XM, and > probably a large one at that, there are people like myself who like=20 radio > that speaks about (and to) local people, places, and events, and=20 right now > we're not listening to all this nationalized generic programming.=20=20 I've > switched to CDs and tapes pretty much, because I'm just bored with=20 faceless > generic radio programming. > Dick W. Where I live, we just went through a weather-related disaster. (All=20 of California's being hit by the storms, but it's been particularly=20 bad from Marin to Del Norte counties, which includes Humboldt, my=20 home county.) As such, only ONE station has been providing storm- related news- Road closures, power outages and restoration, school=20 closures, etc.- KHUM, licensed to Garberville, with studios in=20 Garberville, Ferndale and Eureka (covering the south and central=20 parts of the county- The county is about 70-80 miles long, 15-20=20 miles wide), and is heard county-wide. We only have about 1/3 of the=20 FM stations operational here, and all the AMs seem to be=20 operating...but KHUM on 104.3/104.7 FM is the only one with emergency=20 coverage locally. KHUM isn't cprporate, and has never followed the corporate mantra. Thank God for freeform live&local! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Jan 02 12:13:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+6Yl/+10+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37546 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 20:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 20:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 20:13:27 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.218.14]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 41873765 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:11:26 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c60fd9$6fdb4a00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <17647-43B93304-662@storefull-3338.bay.webtv.net> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:16:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.218.14 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1771 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=1Z9DHVDNsAvvAjRZgHml2GALzTqLaK9LTRbtBH6IvzZtg1PeIfmy X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Admittedly this is more the exception rather than the rule, Salem's WIND has all locally produced news and traffic running throughout the day during programming breaks, so just because the majority of the programs are off the bird doesn't mean there can't be significant local content. WWTC has a lot of local programming on the weekend which is very popular. Unfortunately not all of their NT stations are that creative. A lot of it may have to do with whether there's enough local talent to pull it off or if the managers are even looking for it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > While in the news/ talk format, some nationally syndicated > programming is needed, locally oriented and produced programming is just > as important to give a station some balance and to > serve the needs of > the public in the local community. Public service, what a concept!!. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 02 12:18:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55179 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 20:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 20:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 20:18:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 20:18:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 20:18:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:18:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002b01c60fd7$2e8cc300$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.100 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Happy New Year!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=rHT8zUhKrV3QW9TZVnvh9dp8Bwa7JN5Kg6_k-HfPjBG-ujU8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Jim, >=20 > Have you thought of getting a tuned loop antenna to aid reception?=20=20 They're > easy to use, and not to hard to build if you have the parts. >=20 > Scott Todd Especially since Jim is not really that far from me, or any further=20 from stations like CKMX. > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "jimsmith95663" >=20 > > Hi Amy Mouse I wish i could say that. I don't get the sky wave > > like you do and there has been a bit of a set back here in the > > Sacramento Ca area. Talk radio KCTC AM 1320 has been mono sence=20 mid > > Dec 05. The only one i can get dering day time is KCBC 770 AM=20 STEREO > > and at night KABC 790 AM STEREO(week) and 1670am ?radio dis-me( > > week). I can't get the pacific rim or east of the Rockes and=20 there is > > only one Canadan station i can get on AM 1010 mono in the fall.=20 Jim > > Smith I don't get KABC because of local KWSW, for what it's worth. I don't always use my Select-A-Tenna, but most of my radios have no=20 trouble getting CKMX- Sometimes its weaker than 1070 KNX or whomever=20 is on 1050 (it's a mix of a couple stations), but it DOES come in=20 clear, and fires up the stereo indicator on my ailing Aiwa. Comes in=20 sweet on my 'A100. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kya1260@lycos.com Mon Jan 02 12:23:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8261 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 20:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 20:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 20:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 34C5D18001D2 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:23:25 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 2 Jan 2006 20:23:25 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 21750E5BC7; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:23:25 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:23:24 -0800 Received: from [70.133.187.161] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:23:24 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060102202325.21750E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: KHUM, KVON ; was Re: {AMSF} (ABDX) WGUL/WKFD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=JnxZVn1nYn-9lNU8IHQvzg-Oo3B5kt9c8Pk9SZDTYJF8kc6DAw X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Amy, regards your info about K H U M (Listed below), I know the=20 original owner of that station when it signed on as KBEY in the=20 1980s; he will be happy to learn of this info... During the disaster you had in Humboldt County, what in blazes=20 happened to K I N S 980, or even the 1480, which last I heard,=20 was K G O E (retranmitting K G O)? Were they knocked off air, and/or just satelliting it with no localism? B T W, 1440 K V O N, Napa, is still off air; it got flooded out Saturday, as Napa River floodwater spilled over big time; hopefully,=20 we'll be back on at one-fifth of normal power on Wednesday. Most of,=20 if not then entire, xmtr building was underwater... And, no, the AM stereo will not be resuscitated for awhile; that is a low priority, given that we have two directional patterns that'll need more attention. Oy!... --jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" : > Where I live, we just went through a weather-related disaster. (All > of California's being hit by the storms, but it's been particularly > bad from Marin to Del Norte counties, which includes Humboldt, my > home county.) As such, only ONE station has been providing storm- > related news- Road closures, power outages and restoration, school > closures, etc.- KHUM, licensed to Garberville, with studios in > Garberville, Ferndale and Eureka (covering the south and central > parts of the county- The county is about 70-80 miles long, 15-20 > miles wide), and is heard county-wide. We only have about 1/3 of the > FM stations operational here, and all the AMs seem to be > operating...but KHUM on 104.3/104.7 FM is the only one with emergency > coverage locally. >=20 > KHUM isn't corporate, and has never followed the corporate mantra. >=20 > Thank God for freeform live&local! >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Jan 02 12:36:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+6Yl/+10+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73340 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 20:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 20:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 20:36:12 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.218.14]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 41876168 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:20:37 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c60fda$b5249ac0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060102115131.26952.qmail@web52011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:25:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.218.14 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Station count 1/2/06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=BUNswujLO-hslbdg40VizDHRquGdpEyK5N-8dNVUadQF_H10f7KA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Someone on one of the radio tech forums said the Waterford station is off the air. Not sure about AM 603. Someone from there occasionally posts here but has never stated specifically they were stereo. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > > Does anyone know if AM1566 in Ireland is still > broadcasting. A gentleman on this list, Andy (I > think it was, in Waterford, Ireland) operated it. > From what I know of Irish law, the station is > legal, or *not* illegal. How about AM603 in > northern Europe? They're on, aren't they? From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 02 12:38:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21543 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 20:38:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 20:38:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 20:38:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 20:38:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 20:38:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 20:38:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:38:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060102115131.26952.qmail@web52011.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.100 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Station count 1/2/06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=l-Du3GHiX_CRwhFI_y6-WgCu0fWvnfZUiijpPja52W5OclQo X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Does anyone know if AM1566 in Ireland is still > broadcasting. A gentleman on this list, Andy (I > think it was, in Waterford, Ireland) operated it. > From what I know of Irish law, the station is > legal, or *not* illegal. How about AM603 in > northern Europe? They're on, aren't they? 603 is on the air, but I'm not convinced they're even in stereo, or=20 really making an effort for AMS, even though they post their updates=20 on amstereoforumeurope. As for 1566 Waterford, from what I know, Andy L.'s no longer=20 broadcasting, so at least for now, there is no AMS in Eire any=20 more.... :( > Australia: 10 > Bahamas: 1 May be mono, now- I couldn't tell when I was in Florida in November.=20 (Disney World is a LOUSY place to DX from!) > Brazil: 2 > Canada: 12 > China: 3 (Hong Kong) > China: 4 (Taiwan) > Costa Rica: 1 > Dominican Republic: 2 > France: 1 > Indonesia: 1 > Italy: 2 > Japan: 16 > Mexico: 3 I suspect this is underreported. > Panama: 1 > Paraguay: 1 > Phillipines: 2 > South Africa: 3 > South Korea: 1 May be as many as 6. > Swaziland: 1 > Thailand: 4 May be as many as 15-20, but I have no reliable source. Thailand is a=20 BIG country! > U.S. (including U.S.V.I. & P.R.): 119 I suspect it's underreported, but probably not by much. > Venezuela: 3 > TOTAL: 192 There may be two "pirate" stations in Greece by now- I know of at=20 least one in operation. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Jan 02 12:47:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+6Yl/+10+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62416 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 20:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 20:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 20:47:50 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.218.14]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 41309846 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:47:48 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c60fde$8529bfe0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:52:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.047000 Subject has lots of exclamation marks=1.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.218.14 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Happy New Year!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=pG5Fc89GOMI74jD6HTiQLR-LepIEM7X6pqxcYwUB-lXNLODejXkS X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude But you're closer to the coast and that could aid your reception. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > Jim, > > > > Have you thought of getting a tuned loop antenna to aid reception? > They're > > easy to use, and not to hard to build if you have the parts. > > > > Scott Todd > > Especially since Jim is not really that far from me, or any further > from stations like CKMX. > > > I don't always use my Select-A-Tenna, but most of my radios have no > trouble getting CKMX- Sometimes its weaker than 1070 KNX or whomever > is on 1050 (it's a mix of a couple stations), but it DOES come in > clear, and fires up the stereo indicator on my ailing Aiwa. Comes in > sweet on my 'A100. :) > From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 02 12:49:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17737 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 20:49:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 20:49:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 20:49:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 20:48:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 20:48:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:48:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060102202325.21750E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.100 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: KHUM, KVON ; was Re: {AMSF} (ABDX) WGUL/WKFD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=TT3mJc3zP-SvsJrKn8E5xP8PvMNt58qYAtqXLIXSYL6DNkij X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" =20 wrote: > > Amy, regards your info about K H U M (Listed below), I know the=20 > original owner of that station when it signed on as KBEY in the=20 > 1980s; he will be happy to learn of this info... :) > During the disaster you had in Humboldt County, what in blazes=20 > happened to K I N S 980, or even the 1480, which last I heard,=20 > was K G O E (retranmitting K G O)? Were they knocked off air, > and/or just satelliting it with no localism? KINS has been less than reliable in recent emergency situations, and=20 have stuck to satellite. KGOE dumped KGO when KGO dumped "Dr." Laura, went to extreme-right=20 talk, then shiftef the other way to "Air America", and thus nothing=20 live, there. ALL the public broadcasting stations- KHSU and the Jefferson Public=20 Radio stations (southern Oregon's public broadcasting with local=20 transmitters) is knocked out, so... > B T W, 1440 K V O N, Napa, is still off air; it got flooded out > Saturday, as Napa River floodwater spilled over big time;=20 hopefully,=20 > we'll be back on at one-fifth of normal power on Wednesday. Most=20 of,=20 > if not then entire, xmtr building was underwater... >=20 > And, no, the AM stereo will not be resuscitated for awhile; that > is a low priority, given that we have two directional patterns > that'll need more attention. Oy!... I hope KVON will return to the AMS faithful soon, but yes, I was=20 worried that the flooding in Napa would've knocked you off. :( Sorry=20 to hear there's been so much damage. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 02 12:55:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49232 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 20:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 20:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 20:55:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 20:54:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2006 20:54:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:54:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007801c60fde$8529bfe0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.100 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Happy New Year!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=AS33gVbz_nCLnXJrYL0DQ0hEThlMbkfBpLT3tTJAOY_vSIgh X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > But you're closer to the coast and that could aid your reception. Not necessarily- Thet usually works if both the station and listener is=20 reasoinably near the coast (I'm a mile from the bay), but since CKMX is=20 inland (800 miles NE of me, in Calgary, AB), it really shouldn't make=20 that much difference. (And the Sacramento area, where Jim is, is on a=20 northeastern extension of the San Francisco Bay and the Sacramento=20 Delta, just about 200 miles ESE of me.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kya1260@lycos.com Mon Jan 02 13:15:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30065 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 21:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 21:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 21:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 117EF1800132 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 21:15:28 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 2 Jan 2006 21:15:27 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F38E33384B; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 21:15:27 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:15:27 -0800 Received: from [70.133.187.161] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:15:27 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060102211527.F38E33384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stop me if you've heard this one! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=KeakXoYeMOW-602qIXBaViodWpiCVcDDql0fPH2HLZSm073tpw X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ From one Jay to another, it's always nice to hear stories regards the old Matrix quad (SQ and QS, or even the dreaded Electro-voice 'EV') transmitted on the airwaves on occasion... On my "GoldVine" show last Spring, I did an all-quadraphonic oldies=20 hour (all SQ tracks from 1968 to 1973, plus an EV track from=20 Lighthouse, their 1971 hit 'One Fine Morning'). The show at the time=20 was simulcast on KVON AM Stereo 1440, along with FM 99.3 KVYN, and=20 the reponse from the few that called and noticed something different was interesting...I had one DX listener on the FM side complain about=20 the mono mix, and if you know how certain matrix quad discs work, matrix-encoded discs were not always mono-compatible, much=20 like the "Q-sound" CDs of the early-1990s... Examples: on the Raiders' SQ-encoded "Indian Reservation," the=20 backing vocals are GONE in mono! On the EV-encoded track, "One Fine=20 Morning" by Lighthouse, the piano toward the end of the song is=20 VERY pronounced! The horns are diminished... I could just imagine what the AM listeners, albeit much fewer than=20 the FM, must have experienced that hour. LOL!!! BTW, I do have SQ-quad copies of Pink Floyd's "Dark Side Of The Moon," but didn't play it that hour. Shoot me now...=20 :o) --jay, '61 ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: AMSF Subject: {AMSF} Stop me if you've heard this one! Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 04:31:19 -0800 (PST) >=20 > My friend is on a quad e-mail list & one of the > memebers works for KBPS/1450-Portland, Or.. > Apparently the old "SQ" system of decoding quad > off of an L.P. is very close to AM Stereo so he > was talking about one night going into KBPS & > playing Pink Floyd on air through an automatic > system so he could hook an SQ decoder to his AM > Stereo radio & listen to Pink Floyd...IN AM QUAD! >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ, WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=09 > __________________________________ > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. > http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Jan 02 13:20:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+6Yl/+10+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7181 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 21:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2006 21:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 21:20:24 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.218.14]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 41299203 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:03:03 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c60fd8$444409a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060102140150.47131.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:07:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.218.14 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3 more to add X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=njp8_1BKv8DZh62rTlgFkCXnbpWxxYJD19izZKOFLf4ZB10JEjGU X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude WFOB is mono and has been for some time. IIRC it was Johnny Electron who reported that. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > According to various places on the internet, > there are at least these 3 stations broadcasting > in stereo. > > KLVP/1040-Tigard, Or. "K-Love" > KOFI/1180-Kalispell, Mt. "AM Stereo 1180" > WFOB/1430-Fostoria, Oh.: N/T, Country > > If all 3 are in stereo, that would bring the U.S. > count to 122 and the total to 195. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 02 19:53:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15497 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 03:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2006 03:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.164) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 03:53:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 27418 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2006 03:53:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20060103035350.27416.qmail@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.155.122] by web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 19:53:50 PST Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:53:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1136195512.352.66566.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Why XM/Sirius? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=CugwByJB5OdBfIF1isEI2GNmHpR0mxW3gqa270md09OtlDshjMuY_kE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Scott wrote: "...in the XM/Sirius world all you have are national services as well, yet folks are willing to pay for that?.." It's because they are willing to broadcast the 'left for dead' formats that we miss, like 'beautiful music' on Sunny, and olde tyme radio broadcasts, along with the BBC and music on the Decades channels that never see the light of day on the radio anymore despite being a top 10 hit in its day. (commercial-free doesn't hurt either). But 70's music on an AM Stereo station gets my vote anyday over XM. __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Jan 02 21:01:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24573 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 05:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2006 05:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 05:01:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 21:01:53 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.41 by BAY106-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 05:01:52 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 05:01:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2006 05:01:53.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[D06D14E0:01C61022] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.75 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why XM/Sirius? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why XM/Sirius? Because not everyone lives in or near Bartow,FL and can receive WWBF 1130- am stereo! :) Just yesterday, I heard Norma Tanega's "Walking My Cat Named Dog" and many other hits that aren't on the abbreviated play lists of most commercial stations. And speaking of commercial; many of the stations here play two or three songs, then a set of five commercials, two or three song, then another five commercials etc. As far as local news and community events, you can forget that as well on most commercial staions, so what's the point in listening to them just becuase their transmitter is nearby when they just repeat/revoradcast satellite programing with plenty of national commercials? As far as traffic and weather, when I'm behind the wheel, XM's weather and traffic channel for the Bradenton/Sarasota/St Petersburg/Tampa area, after admittedly a rough start, now excels compared to the local stations in reporting traffic accidents, which direction on the interstate is blocked, what lanes (right lane, middle lane, left lane etc). The BBC, real news, instead of the faux "news"(sic) on CNN and Fox is alone worth the monthly subscription costs, since BBC shortwave schedules to most of North America have been nonexistent since the summer of 2001. Also Bloomberg News is good for financial news, and even though some of these things are available on the internet, on XM I can listen to these stations in my car, at my parents' house (no internet connections there, just recently browbeat them into getting an answering machine!); in the yard, at the beach, at a picnic, in my house, in my yard etc; everyone I can take a portable radio. The old radio programs from the late 1930's through the early 1960's is another favorite. How many commercial stations have that type of format? I never heard a Jack Benny radio show until 2004 and I love them!........ as well as Phil Harris, Our Miss Brooks, Suspense, Gunsmoke, the Lone Range, Fibber McGee and Molly, Baby Snooks, George Burns and Gracie Allen, the Whistler and many many more. Yes, on a given day, XM may repeat music every 8 to 12 hours, but that's a lot better than every 3 to 4 hours of repeating on the commercial stations, not to mention less variety of music........ but if you like commercials, they do have commercials galore on commercial radio. (at the expense of local news, community events, PSA's etc). My parents now also have XM, after the Music of Your Life (MOYL) station that had been their constant companion in the car and in the house for the last 18 years, was bought out and format changed this past July, so now they are sold on XM and love Sunny 24 - easy listening as well as channel 4 (late 30's and 1940's hits and newscasts from that era as well)........ and channel 151, comedy. Just one or two reasons why one would pay for radio as opposed to commercial radio. Donn, listening to the Num Lehrer's NewsHour on XM's Public Radio Station. -----Original Message----- From: John P. Sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:53:50 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Why XM/Sirius? Scott wrote: "...in the XM/Sirius world all you have are national services as well, yet folks are willing to pay for that?.." It's because they are willing to broadcast the 'left for dead' formats that we miss, like 'beautiful music' on Sunny, and olde tyme radio broadcasts, along with the BBC and music on the Decades channels that never see the light of day on the radio anymore despite being a top 10 hit in its day. (commercial-free doesn't hurt either). But 70's music on an AM Stereo station gets my vote anyday over XM. __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 02 22:22:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82288 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 06:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2006 06:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 06:22:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2006 06:21:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2006 06:21:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 06:21:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.16.159 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why XM/Sirius? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=CzS5ZNh2YGpQU7C1r9jxeVPaRoznDk5U6MZ2CwCRTR87Ia7t X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 wrote: > Yes, on a given day, XM may repeat music every 8 to 12 hours, but=20 that's a lot better than every 3 to 4 hours of repeating on the=20 commercial stations, not to mention less variety of music........=20 It's not just the repeating of songs, but entire music programs that=20 don't NEED to be repeated- It's harder to tell even if the request=20 shows are live or not! (Yes, sure, special programs or series merit=20 repeats- That's not my complaint. Do you really want to hear the same=20 DJ's regular show twice in a day, or heaven forbid, several times in=20 a week? Yes, I've encountered this on '60s of 6. I expect 24-hour=20 live, except for special presentations, series and scheduled weekly=20 shows.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Who does like having the BBC- which both public broadcasters locally=20 broadcast as well, but only at night- as well as the OTR, Decades,=20 disco ("Chrome") and Radio Disney, amongst others, and misses the=20 world music channels.) From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 02 22:26:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44868 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 06:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2006 06:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.164) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 06:26:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 81426 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2006 06:25:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20060103062512.81424.qmail@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.155.122] by web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 22:25:12 PST Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 22:25:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1136264516.1876.24578.m25@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: WFOB AMS DOA for now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=fjoSGOUKoVR_SEcZxuuGVZz23ftK-c6tIYYkRFKR2jq-yGAA2xNg-Lg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yep, Scott's correct; I'm sorry to report that the engineer at WFOB believes the stories that they lose coverage with AM stereo. Their mono signal is no stronger or louder now than their stereo signal was. Too bad, as they are a local operation much of the time, and when they are 'off the bird' the music is (was) a stereo feed. If you could convince them that their coverage hasn't changed, maybe he'll turn it back on. Their advertisement I saw at a high school football game even had their 1430 "AM STEREO" tagline below it! __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From starship_2001@msn.com Tue Jan 03 03:28:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47634 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 11:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2006 11:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 11:28:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 03:28:22 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.18 by BAY106-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:28:21 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:28:21 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2006 11:28:22.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDF304A0:01C61058] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why XM/Sirius? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=OSc7KeH9Gn6UboWeUUsnhhILYtI0C54wKKHCR72opCi1bG29R41VQMAp6w X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 1)no commercals on the music channels. 2)Choice of CONTENT. 3)No IBOC HASH due to imcompactable systems. 4) compactable with exiting equipment. 5) small antenna can be placed outside discrettly for reception unlike FM which needs a huge ugly rooftop antenna or AM long wires ETC.. 6) nation wide coverage -----Original Message----- From: John P. Sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:53:50 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Why XM/Sirius? Scott wrote: "...in the XM/Sirius world all you have are national services as well, yet folks are willing to pay for that?.." It's because they are willing to broadcast the 'left for dead' formats that we miss, like 'beautiful music' on Sunny, and olde tyme radio broadcasts, along with the BBC and music on the Decades channels that never see the light of day on the radio anymore despite being a top 10 hit in its day. (commercial-free doesn't hurt either). But 70's music on an AM Stereo station gets my vote anyday over XM. __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Jan 03 03:34:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67053 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 11:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2006 11:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 11:34:09 -0000 Received: from [4.247.121.68] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EtkQF-0002tU-CN for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 06:33:48 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006123113352593@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.108.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 06:33:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bca4c4e2e0bc4d96dfbf2eed792aa960b5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why XM/Sirius? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=1vy2-SVSDw89og1vL_mzh8b3SluJg_medhvdce-hQRVeUw Lacking local music programming/dj's on commercial radio/XM/Sirius, I pretty much just stick to my CDs and tapes. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Norbert 26 > To: > Date: 1/3/2006 6:28:27 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why XM/Sirius? > > 1)no commercals on the music channels. > 2)Choice of CONTENT. > 3)No IBOC HASH due to imcompactable systems. > 4) compactable with exiting equipment. > 5) small antenna can be placed outside discrettly for reception unlike FM which needs a huge ugly rooftop antenna or AM long wires ETC.. > 6) nation wide coverage > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John P. > Sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:53:50 -0800 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Why XM/Sirius? > > Scott wrote: "...in the XM/Sirius world all you have are national > services as well, yet folks are willing to pay for that?.." > > It's because they are willing to broadcast the 'left for dead' formats that we > miss, like 'beautiful music' on Sunny, and olde tyme radio broadcasts, along > with the BBC and music on the Decades channels that never see the light of day > on the radio anymore despite being a top 10 hit in its day. (commercial-free > doesn't hurt either). But 70's music on an AM Stereo station gets my vote > anyday over XM. > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. > http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Jan 03 05:35:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51980 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 13:35:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2006 13:35:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.94) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 13:35:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 05:35:28 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.42 by BAY106-DAV22.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:35:27 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:35:28 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2006 13:35:28.0995 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FB0E330:01C6106A] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why XM/Sirius? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Lacking local music programming/dj's on commercial radio/XM/Sirius, I pretty much just stick to my CDs and tapes. Dick W." __________________________ I don't know about Sirius, but XM does have announcers on the decade channels and some of the other channels, which gives a feel of how commercial radio used to be in North America. The decades channels take phone requests and also on the 60's they talk to the person making the request, asks where they're calling from and ask for dedications. The announcers also give out info about the song and artists (not every song) I used to buy an average of two c.d.'s per month before XM, since going to XM in 21 months ago, I have bought a total on ONE CD! Donn St Petersburg -----Original Message----- From: Dick W Sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 03:33:52 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why XM/Sirius? Lacking local music programming/dj's on commercial radio/XM/Sirius, I pretty much just stick to my CDs and tapes. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Norbert 26 > To: > Date: 1/3/2006 6:28:27 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why XM/Sirius? > > 1)no commercals on the music channels. > 2)Choice of CONTENT. > 3)No IBOC HASH due to imcompactable systems. > 4) compactable with exiting equipment. > 5) small antenna can be placed outside discrettly for reception unlike FM which needs a huge ugly rooftop antenna or AM long wires ETC.. > 6) nation wide coverage > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John P. > Sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:53:50 -0800 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Why XM/Sirius? > > Scott wrote: "...in the XM/Sirius world all you have are national > services as well, yet folks are willing to pay for that?.." > > It's because they are willing to broadcast the 'left for dead' formats that we > miss, like 'beautiful music' on Sunny, and olde tyme radio broadcasts, along > with the BBC and music on the Decades channels that never see the light of day > on the radio anymore despite being a top 10 hit in its day. (commercial-free > doesn't hurt either). But 70's music on an AM Stereo station gets my vote > anyday over XM. > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. > http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Tue Jan 03 05:54:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50578 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 13:54:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2006 13:54:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.78) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 13:54:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 05:54:46 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.13 by BAY106-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:54:45 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:54:45 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2006 13:54:46.0094 (UTC) FILETIME=[41602EE0:01C6106D] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why XM/Sirius? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=btYDjNQr9-R7V-k9Jtythf23Ii6_TjmdyBCzBk9hLkRgSHgvihi2nYVplA X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Sirius has DJ's on the music channels too. They also give facts and stuff about bands and songs like XM. -----Original Message----- From: Donn Tillman Sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 05:35:28 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why XM/Sirius? "Lacking local music programming/dj's on commercial radio/XM/Sirius, I pretty much just stick to my CDs and tapes. Dick W." __________________________ I don't know about Sirius, but XM does have announcers on the decade channels and some of the other channels, which gives a feel of how commercial radio used to be in North America. The decades channels take phone requests and also on the 60's they talk to the person making the request, asks where they're calling from and ask for dedications. The announcers also give out info about the song and artists (not every song) I used to buy an average of two c.d.'s per month before XM, since going to XM in 21 months ago, I have bought a total on ONE CD! Donn St Petersburg -----Original Message----- From: Dick W Sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 03:33:52 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why XM/Sirius? Lacking local music programming/dj's on commercial radio/XM/Sirius, I pretty much just stick to my CDs and tapes. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Norbert 26 > To: > Date: 1/3/2006 6:28:27 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why XM/Sirius? > > 1)no commercals on the music channels. > 2)Choice of CONTENT. > 3)No IBOC HASH due to imcompactable systems. > 4) compactable with exiting equipment. > 5) small antenna can be placed outside discrettly for reception unlike FM which needs a huge ugly rooftop antenna or AM long wires ETC.. > 6) nation wide coverage > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John P. > Sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:53:50 -0800 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Why XM/Sirius? > > Scott wrote: "...in the XM/Sirius world all you have are national > services as well, yet folks are willing to pay for that?.." > > It's because they are willing to broadcast the 'left for dead' formats that we > miss, like 'beautiful music' on Sunny, and olde tyme radio broadcasts, along > with the BBC and music on the Decades channels that never see the light of day > on the radio anymore despite being a top 10 hit in its day. (commercial-free > doesn't hurt either). But 70's music on an AM Stereo station gets my vote > anyday over XM. > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. > http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Jan 03 16:04:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32509 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 00:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2006 00:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 00:04:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 00:03:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 00:03:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:03:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.8.192 From: "Dave" Subject: OT: New Yahoo grouo for AE Wi-Fi Internet Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=a2s881u-Yt8qNGEhUh17hVcFNGbutA3HLty5uns8bSbbtIEXig X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Please join if you own one of these or are interested etc :- http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/wifiradio/ From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Jan 03 17:37:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63965 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 01:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2006 01:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.136) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 01:37:57 -0000 Received: from storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id C9350D690; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:37:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id RAA08143; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:37:56 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRDBvjPtPKbDiWxhnnXWeOL4Xz5gQIUCM4CawXBFo3GcoY7qtIpL1mRI38= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:37:56 -0600 To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <23714-43BB26F4-424@storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Bruce Winkelman 's message of Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:31:53 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: KOIL 1020 Format Change 1020//1180 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=ty9W0y6Lr8P5SEnQPVvIkcFnVkXaRCgUvPm97pIxDUB3PfjUBw X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Annoyed to see that Plattsmouth - Omaha, NE station KOIL 1020 has dropped it's classic country format with ABC News and Paul Harvey for Radio Disney. Radio Disney continues to be aired on NRG Co-owned KYDZ 1180 for the time being... A dual KYDZ Bellevue, KOIL Plattsmouth ID is being used during the simulcast period. 1180 is scheduled to go dark on Feb 28th, 2006 As it's expanded band allocation KOZN 1620 required 1620 or 1180- to go dark. It appears that the KOIL call will stay on 1020, 1180 was KKAR, then KOIL as nostalgia format, then sports, then Radio Disney as KOIL, then KYDZ. The KOIL call dates to 1925 and was the long time call of today's KKAR 1290 until 1993.. The Surviving 1020 was KOTD Plattsmouth, then KKSC and later KOIL 1020 with a new transmitter and 7 tower array near Glenwood, Iowa. Bill Snyder - Omaha BS-NE1 Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 593-6841 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 03 21:08:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91519 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 05:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2006 05:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 05:08:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 05:07:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 05:07:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:07:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <23714-43BB26F4-424@storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.143.6.32 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KOIL 1020 Format Change 1020//1180 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=QanvcIEdKv0AmRvf9xnyKUUhlxkW2P-8w4DEuE-tI6CeTVhkwsN2byYIoGYx2Ga1fD_Tdrw- X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > > Annoyed to see that Plattsmouth - Omaha, NE station KOIL 1020=20 has > dropped it's classic country format with ABC News and Paul Harvey=20 for > Radio Disney. Radio Disney continues to be aired on NRG Co-owned=20 KYDZ > 1180 for the time being... A dual KYDZ Bellevue, KOIL Plattsmouth=20 ID > is being used during the simulcast period.=20 >=20 > 1180 is scheduled to go dark on Feb 28th, 2006 As it's=20 expanded > band allocation KOZN 1620 required 1620 or 1180- to go dark. It > appears that the KOIL call will stay on 1020, 1180 was KKAR, then=20 KOIL > as nostalgia format, then sports, then Radio Disney as KOIL, then=20 KYDZ. > The KOIL call dates to 1925 and was the long time call of today's=20 KKAR > 1290 until 1993..=20 >=20 > The Surviving 1020 was KOTD Plattsmouth, then KKSC and later KOIL > 1020 with a new transmitter and 7 tower array near Glenwood,=20 Iowa.=20=20=20=20 > Bill Snyder - Omaha BS-NE1 >=20 >=20=20=20 > Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 593-6841 > Omaha, Nebraska=20=20=20 > I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and > wiring items, and a lot more!! > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage >=20 > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 > ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! > Hi Gang He ante the only one that got bit by radio dis-me. KRAK=20 moved to 1470 AM for about 2 or 3 years and then about 4 years ago=20 ABC bot 1470 AM and the folks at the station ask if thay could stay=20 and Radio Dis-me said no. From start to end thay where gone in about=20 a week. Rant over. Jim Smith From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Jan 03 21:22:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45755 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 05:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2006 05:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.139) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 05:22:41 -0000 Received: from storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3204.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 1C209D6B6; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:22:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id VAA12623; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:22:36 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRuBcuWE+Ykr44Aijhbu6wVfpJOPwIUaTnYFml9S85NvBReiIuothgKPYQ= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:22:36 -0600 To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com (John P.) Cc: ABDX@topica.com, abdx@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <23679-43BB5B9C-1152@storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "John P." 's message of Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:02:10 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: Phone T1 & KOIL 1020//1180 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=zfEod5fsGXPqgoqG-Qw6rnvwZMj8n2z8YMu_Mok0IovEcpewGg X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Hi, John OHH, I can get 1020 KOIL fairly well here at night in West Omaha despite 1400 watts at night. Most of the night time power goes towards Lincoln and Omaha. Transmitter is roughly 20 some miles towards the south-southeast of Council Bluffs and maybe 5 miles NE of Glenwood. They use 7 towers at night a 3 x 4 arrangement not unlike the unusual 1190 array in Dallas This gives them a strong lobe towards the west, KFAB has a some what similar pattern but using 3 active towers and a back tower for STL's, & F.M. auxiliary etc... The current KOIL array has only been in service maybe 2 ~ 3 years. The old 1020 tower at Plattsmouth is still there but the old KOTD studios appear vacant. Don't know if the old site is licensed for auxiliary service, or not. I can kind of understand the reasons for the change to Radio Disney. Omaha had 3 country stations Top rated Kat 103 KXKT ( Ironically was a sister station of KOIL in the early 90's ) , KHUS 93.3 was a low rated rock station, and KOIL 1020. Several other regional stations on AM KMA, KTIC, WJAG and WNAX all have Paul Harvey and a farm oriented format // country format. Paul Harvey was not exclusive to KOIL as NRG Co-Owned KKAR 1290 also carried Paul Harvey and ABC News. KOIL never got past a .2 on the ratings with a 50,000 watt daytime signal, With Radio Disney, Disney pays a substantial sum of money for the placement on the affiliate stations >> goes a long ways towards paying the power bill, and studio costs are minimal, no news dept, or local air talent. I suspect Radio Disney's Business model relies heavily on National ad buys on their network of stations with national advertisers. I can't imagine many local businesses finding 12 and under listeners a big attraction....But kids do have the power of suggestion...... to their parents... The troubling part is that a kiddie channel seems so undignified for a once legendary station the likes of KOIL. In theory, you would think another 50 KW day signal in town might give KFAB some serious competition, but so far it hasn't. Bill S. Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 593-6841 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 03 21:39:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24917 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 05:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2006 05:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 05:39:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 05:39:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 05:39:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:39:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.143.6.32 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Happy New Year!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=kFgHXWNlAlFjAfONCPA2hDtae0HYvON0a8g0AbatNAYiQOBFsbQhZJ2t4Fj1mqKWDXR0tLyR X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" =20 wrote: > > > > Jim, > >=20 > > Have you thought of getting a tuned loop antenna to aid=20 reception?=20=20 > They're > > easy to use, and not to hard to build if you have the parts. > >=20 > > Scott Todd >=20 > Especially since Jim is not really that far from me, or any further=20 > from stations like CKMX. >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "jimsmith95663" > >=20 > > > Hi Amy Mouse I wish i could say that. I don't get the sky=20 wave > > > like you do and there has been a bit of a set back here in the > > > Sacramento Ca area. Talk radio KCTC AM 1320 has been mono=20 sence=20 > mid > > > Dec 05. The only one i can get dering day time is KCBC 770 AM=20 > STEREO > > > and at night KABC 790 AM STEREO(week) and 1670am ?radio dis-me( > > > week). I can't get the pacific rim or east of the Rockes and=20 > there is > > > only one Canadan station i can get on AM 1010 mono in the fall.=20 > Jim > > > Smith >=20 > I don't get KABC because of local KWSW, for what it's worth. >=20 > I don't always use my Select-A-Tenna, but most of my radios have no=20 > trouble getting CKMX- Sometimes its weaker than 1070 KNX or=20 whomever=20 > is on 1050 (it's a mix of a couple stations), but it DOES come in=20 > clear, and fires up the stereo indicator on my ailing Aiwa. Comes=20 in=20 > sweet on my 'A100. :) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Guys I have to move soon so makeing a loop anttena is not on my=20 must do list. I have a loop tuned anttena (RS)but some one droped it=20 for me and now the cap tuner dose not work very good for me. If some=20 one can fix it for me that would be cool. Thanks for the help guys.=20=20 Jim Smith From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 03 22:00:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65179 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 06:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2006 06:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 06:00:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 06:00:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 06:00:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:00:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <23679-43BB5B9C-1152@storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.16.159 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Phone T1 & KOIL 1020//1180 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=ScbAYF5NYInBIHsh8I5q4w5q2EcEvu-DsjToNDQdzfASYswO X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > I suspect Radio Disney's Business model relies heavily on National > ad buys on their network of stations with national advertisers. I=20 can't > imagine many local businesses finding 12 and under listeners a big > attraction....But kids do have the power of suggestion...... to their > parents...=20 Actually, it's moreso directed at those said parents. The target=20 audience is the "SUV-owning soccer mom with at least 2 kids". This is=20 also why the push for IBOC on Radio Disney- It will be the SUVs that=20 get the HD radios first. Unfortunately for them, SUVs are now undesirable, in favour of fuel=20 economy. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 04 03:02:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22516 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 11:02:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2006 11:02:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.207) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 11:02:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 78601 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 11:02:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.142.232.242 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 11:02:43 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c60f6c$a546c100$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:17:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: I have some good news from Auburn Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=BLPpcdeoXEfU_vuJoHXZ2U4kBA49FXsDsU2sZ2AwV37iqRU4fM-b2Xt_PTI9daLoAvQJRZOP X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang The enganeer at KAHI AM 950 Auburn Ca said that he will not make AM 950 HD radio. He allso said that he needs more info about AM STEREO . I had steard him hear but he said he has been hear before. I had allso told him to look at this site bit harder . If any one wants to contact him his name is Bradley Smith and his email is smith6876@yahoo.com . If any one wants to help him please do. The first thing i said to him that i was not a engineer. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Jan 04 04:08:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75793 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 12:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2006 12:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.137) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 12:08:38 -0000 Received: from storefull-3338.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 06A9DD731; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 04:05:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3338.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA07255; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 04:05:12 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRQkbVIyq+e7URik6oywlxH3KJxrgIUfpNR9T++jsa1NJZb5WVIcUb6Qjw= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 06:05:12 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: abdx@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <14662-43BBB9F8-1490@storefull-3338.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 4 Jan 2006 09:45:51 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: Koil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=R_8h_KYGmkp1T_wlQon9sftCwXb1XXgfWAVeh2yD118KRKQTpg X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Dear Paul Harvey News and Comment, Here in Omaha we are, were loyal listeners of Paul Harvey and Koil Country Radio, but station KOIL changed formats and dropped your award winning broadcasts like a hot rock.... We hope the mangagement of said station rots in ..... PAGE THREE !!! Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 593-6841 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jan 04 07:54:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47729 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 15:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2006 15:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.164) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 15:54:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 31472 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2006 15:54:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20060104155419.31470.qmail@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:54:19 PST Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:54:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1136367951.675.29848.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Nice article about AM radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=nVwuW42yEMMM5aLhBXDIfBWI43eadutU_4xKvqf5jmZhGeKJ_-7fFsw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Great article about our friend and his quality AM radio installation: http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=8241 __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From kya1260@lycos.com Wed Jan 04 13:02:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87471 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 21:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2006 21:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 21:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 7A1B4180020F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:01:09 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 4 Jan 2006 21:01:09 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6A6B2CA095; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:01:09 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:01:09 -0800 Received: from [70.133.187.161] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:01:09 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060104210109.6A6B2CA095@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have some good news from Auburn Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=hIVgdmyooE_1AvJvLYCFNfHqdmsTD4YMwRMmtgmTqLMepSVwFw X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Yo, Jim!=20 Thanx for the note! Alas, it's too bad the directional pattern of K A H I (ex-sister=20 station of K H Y L, where I used to work, 1997-2001) doesn't get=20 a good signal into Sacramento-proper... I assume K C T C 1320's stereo is still off? --jay ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net To: "am stereo forum" Subject: {AMSF} I have some good news from Auburn Ca Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:17:51 -0800 >=20 > Hi Gang The enganeer at KAHI AM 950 Auburn Ca said that he will=20 > not make AM 950 HD radio. He allso said that he needs more info=20 > about AM STEREO . I had steard him hear but he said he has been=20 > hear before. I had allso told him to look at this site bit harder=20 > . If any one wants to contact him his name is Bradley Smith and=20 > his email is smith6876@yahoo.com . If any one wants to help him=20 > please do. The first thing i said to him that i was not a=20 > engineer. Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 04 14:54:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9982 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 22:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2006 22:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 22:54:05 -0000 Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 22:53:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 22:53:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 22:53:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:53:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060104210109.6A6B2CA095@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.142.218.201 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have some good news from Auburn Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=7xitakMcSpQQksWEOWoUc90FauRkeEOtd1Qz5j6cHfqMsdkXEIEm0OEIjhf_qa8eYdWmxqRD X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" =20 wrote: > > Yo, Jim!=20 > Thanx for the note! >=20 > Alas, it's too bad the directional pattern of K A H I (ex-sister=20 > station of K H Y L, where I used to work, 1997-2001) doesn't get=20 > a good signal into Sacramento-proper... >=20 > I assume K C T C 1320's stereo is still off? > --jay >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jimsmith95663@s... > To: "am stereo forum" > Subject: {AMSF} I have some good news from Auburn Ca > Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:17:51 -0800 >=20 > >=20 > > Hi Gang The enganeer at KAHI AM 950 Auburn Ca said that he will=20 > > not make AM 950 HD radio. He allso said that he needs more info=20 > > about AM STEREO . I had steard him hear but he said he has been=20 > > hear before. I had allso told him to look at this site bit=20 harder=20 > > . If any one wants to contact him his name is Bradley Smith=20=20 and=20 > > his email is smith6876@y... . If any one wants to help him=20 > > please do. The first thing i said to him that i was not a=20 > > engineer. Jim Smith > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > What's the GoldVine about? > < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > >=20 >=20 > --=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos=20 Yellow Pages >=20 >=20 http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/defau lt.asp?SRC=3Dlycos10 > Hi Jey Yes talk radio KCTC AM 1320 is still mono. KAHI AM 950 turns=20 there signal at night to Sacramento Ca. They are a 5kw both day and=20 night.Dering the day there signal is turned to the north west.Jim=20 Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 04 19:05:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63997 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2006 03:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2006 03:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp114.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.213) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2006 03:05:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 77728 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2006 03:03:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.142.211.241 with login) by smtp114.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2006 03:03:50 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c60f79$e7dcbb20$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:52:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Subject: KSL AM 1160 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=WdA29fgn8d9uhTpi5AsVfwOAfXVeyyIdXMcef9ZNOuwVwpLCI07_JjD1BtDnrfDLg5jyAXKL X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I had a suprise yesterday. I had a daytime DX from Utah . It was my normal night DX KSL AM 1160 but it was at 3:30pm pst 1-3-2006 side bands and all very loud. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aalso@netzero.com Thu Jan 05 02:44:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35497 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2006 10:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2006 10:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net) (64.202.165.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2006 10:44:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 22810 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2006 10:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (70.153.233.174) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 05 Jan 2006 10:43:38 -0000 Message-ID: <43BCF859.6020906@netzero.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 05:43:37 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1136367951.675.29848.m17@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1136367951.675.29848.m17@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.202.165.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: A missed AM Stereo Station.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819; y=B8ojh2WWudolKTy2PyZltT5tRg4JpWtZTvV5r3-AT0A4pA X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr I just repaired an AM stereo station WPLO 610 in Lawerenceville Ga, I haven't seen it on any of the lists.. But this on is stereo and has been stereo for quite some time. BE exciter into a SX 2.5 TX. Format is Radio Mexico. From tomjacobsen@bellsouth.net Thu Jan 05 09:10:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomjacobsen@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41181 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2006 17:10:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2006 17:10:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2006 17:10:03 -0000 Received: from ibm70aec.bellsouth.net ([67.34.21.123]) by imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060105170739.GKWW15957.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm70aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:07:39 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [67.34.21.123]) by ibm70aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060105170731.IUIX26589.ibm70aec.bellsouth.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:07:31 -0500 Message-ID: <43BD5252.8020506@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:07:30 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1136459210.285.45403.m17@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1136459210.285.45403.m17@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 205.152.59.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Tom Jacobsen Subject: Re: A missed AM Stereo Station.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=235290470; y=deuJosiOkcLKzGt3JO3NbtWTOiZ89yxRdg60kEojzIntcQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jacobst This station "blows smoke" all across northeast Atlanta. The station was stereo back when it played country music. The other day I turned it on while scanning the dial and was supprised to hear how high fidelity it was (even in mono). AFAIK they are one of only 2 stations left in Georgia that are still stereo and the only one in the Atlanta area. Many of the corporate stations have drank the IBOC Koolaid already (except WSB, who turned their's off). Their website still promotes that they are AM Stereo. >Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 05:43:37 -0500 > From: Alan Alsobrook >Subject: A missed AM Stereo Station.. > >I just repaired an AM stereo station WPLO 610 in Lawerenceville Ga, I >haven't seen it on any of the lists.. But this on is stereo and has been >stereo for quite some time. BE exciter into a SX 2.5 TX. Format is Radio >Mexico. > > > From wnmb@sc.rr.com Thu Jan 05 17:00:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27720 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 01:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 01:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 01:00:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 01:00:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 01:00:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 01:00:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 01:00:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=zHZbtKhx8TaIRCXFgxLkh4xgyqQPvnWgmSAkMTwPZw2Z4A X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 I will appreciate you reading and then giving me input on a piece I am=20 preparing to send to my fellow broadcasters and to some trade=20 publications. Perhaps you can give advice on how to make it better.=20=20 To read the article first go to www.wnmb.net. Then when you have=20 loaded the home page, at the left side click on WNMB FEATURES. Once=20 the feature page opens, click on the topic labeled AM STEREO. Thanks. And when you read the part about the Ford Expedition, I got=20 so excited about it that I went out today and bought one for myself! From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Thu Jan 05 17:48:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39874 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 01:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 01:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 01:48:20 -0000 Received: from [66.167.105.2] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EugiF-0001bS-0O for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 20:48:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <987caf425d07d489d0a866dd70464410@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:48:14 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-ELNK-Trace: 726593d8db6908e21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec798a540186b55ec010f26d2d8ae5725902350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Daniel Brown Subject: Re: {AMSF} Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=jnN_GkMaN1gFLMhefo28m0KfxXX3-RnPZmhUR5qI-8UQUscR2EiNgA X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think it's great that, in the face of the whiners and pessimists,=20=20 you're trumpeting the joys of broadcasting in AM stereo. But to get your fellow AM broadcasters to endorse AMS, you might want=20 to address some of their fears of it, such as loss of coverage, or any=20 other issue that they might bring up. Keep up the great work, Bill. Maybe, through your efforts, AMS will=20 come back to Los Angeles in a big way. db On Jan 5, 2006, at 5:00 PM, Bill Norman wrote: > I will appreciate you reading and then giving me input on a piece I am > preparing to send to my fellow broadcasters and to some trade > publications.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Perhaps you can give advice on how to make it = better.=C2=A0 > To read the article first go to=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.wnmb.net.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Th= en when you have > loaded the home page, at the left side click on WNMB FEATURES.=C2=A0=C2= =A0 Once > the feature page opens,=C2=A0 click on the topic labeled AM STEREO. > Thanks.=C2=A0=C2=A0 And when you read the part about the Ford Expedition= , I got > so excited about it that I went out today and bought one for myself! > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > =C2=A0 > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > =C2=A0amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =C2=A0 > =E2=96=AA =C2=A0Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Term= s of=20 > Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kjones_731@yahoo.com Thu Jan 05 20:05:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29389 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 04:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 04:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 04:04:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 04:04:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 04:04:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 04:04:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.223.165.182 From: "kjones_731" Subject: Philco Cathedral Radio Bookends X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=9Ua0rsl0q5QvmzIqjXp3zC0Atxsy0ReJDjXPVONVsKUnJ4KnUA X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 Just picked up one of these radios and it is HOT. Tuner on Am is=20 selective and sensitive:>). Paid $16.99 at a Food Town/Drug Mart. Reg=20 19.99 list at 34.95. Case is beautifull wood. Circuit is the old PC=20 board type with no surface mount stuff. Should be easy to work on. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Thu Jan 05 22:10:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1155 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 06:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 06:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 06:10:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 06:09:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 06:09:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 06:09:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.184.96.32 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: Philco Cathedral Radio Bookends X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087; y=JiJ3ifmGNol5etbVJxfu9olx-YvKA_mTRJgV3Z_7tXMJDQga X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kjones_731" =20 wrote: > > Just picked up one of these radios and it is HOT. Tuner on Am is=20 > selective and sensitive:>).=20=20 I know this is an AM forum, but how is the FM? It would be nice to=20 have a radio that does a good job on BOTH bands. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Jan 06 01:11:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6561 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 09:11:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 09:11:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 09:11:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:11:35 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.46 by BAY106-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:11:34 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:11:34 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2006 09:11:35.0406 (UTC) FILETIME=[316030E0:01C612A1] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.75 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Philco Cathedral Radio Bookends X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds good, do you have a model number and/or a link with a description of the model? Donn St Petersburg -----Original Message----- From: Mike Sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:09:21 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Philco Cathedral Radio Bookends --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kjones_731" wrote: > > Just picked up one of these radios and it is HOT. Tuner on Am is > selective and sensitive:>). I know this is an AM forum, but how is the FM? It would be nice to have a radio that does a good job on BOTH bands. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aalso@netzero.com Fri Jan 06 03:30:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aalso@netzero.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7982 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 11:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 11:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) (64.202.165.199) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 11:30:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 6278 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 11:29:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (70.153.233.174) by smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.199) with ESMTP; 06 Jan 2006 11:29:22 -0000 Message-ID: <43BE5491.8010309@netzero.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 06:29:21 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1136542396.135.61034.m17@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1136542396.135.61034.m17@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.202.165.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Alan Alsobrook Subject: Re: A missed AM Stereo Station.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174740819; y=HavtIdplFekBkwUFvVv71h2FY_vDRl5wVYwNsYqQvvSVzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: smokchsr I worked for the original WPLO 590 for 4 years and helped put in cquam on it back in early 84. Unfortunately when the station was sold and moved an engineering error, where the new towers where put up in the wrong place (surveying error) and the corrections to the directional pattern caused the cquam to not work, so it was pulled off. I had no idea that the new WPLO was stereo until I got there to work on it. I did make sure I put it back in Stereo before I left. (troubleshooting had me testing with the transmitters crystal) >________________________________________________________________________ >________________________________________________________________________ > >Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:07:30 -0500 > From: Tom Jacobsen >Subject: Re: A missed AM Stereo Station.. > >This station "blows smoke" all across northeast Atlanta. The station >was stereo back when it played country music. The other day I turned it >on while scanning the dial and was supprised to hear how high fidelity >it was (even in mono). AFAIK they are one of only 2 stations left in >Georgia that are still stereo and the only one in the Atlanta area. >Many of the corporate stations have drank the IBOC Koolaid already >(except WSB, who turned their's off). Their website still promotes that >they are AM Stereo. > > > >>Message: 7 >> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 05:43:37 -0500 >> From: Alan Alsobrook >>Subject: A missed AM Stereo Station.. >> >>I just repaired an AM stereo station WPLO 610 in Lawerenceville Ga, I >>haven't seen it on any of the lists.. But this on is stereo and has been >>stereo for quite some time. BE exciter into a SX 2.5 TX. Format is Radio >>Mexico. >> >> >> > > From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Jan 06 03:33:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39778 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 11:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 11:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.74) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 11:33:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:32:49 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.18 by BAY106-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:32:48 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:32:48 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2006 11:32:49.0805 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC82DBD0:01C612B4] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philco Cathedral Radio Bookends X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=9fs22Q6c8ScW8-kQ0U6cy0hFt5YvF1FGfw4ja5ue5EH5fbTPNl24Ba7D8g X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Is the tuning analog or digital display ??? Model number and company that made it ???? -----Original Message----- From: kjones_731 Sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:04:35 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Philco Cathedral Radio Bookends Just picked up one of these radios and it is HOT. Tuner on Am is selective and sensitive:>). Paid $16.99 at a Food Town/Drug Mart. Reg 19.99 list at 34.95. Case is beautifull wood. Circuit is the old PC board type with no surface mount stuff. Should be easy to work on. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Jan 06 03:38:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68304 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 11:38:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 11:38:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 11:38:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:38:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.18 by BAY106-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:38:04 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:38:04 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2006 11:38:05.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8A209D0:01C612B5] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philco Cathedral Radio Bookends HERE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=FYS2Jh11aYXMgJUImSYLhXLpFISqW-Q1mtdnjMDScpon_e_Jgjq_zbPMcw X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Here it is. http://www.audiobuys.net/PC-841.216/1245.htm -----Original Message----- From: Norbert 26 Sent: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:32:48 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philco Cathedral Radio Bookends Is the tuning analog or digital display ??? Model number and company that made it ???? -----Original Message----- From: kjones_731 Sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:04:35 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Philco Cathedral Radio Bookends Just picked up one of these radios and it is HOT. Tuner on Am is selective and sensitive:>). Paid $16.99 at a Food Town/Drug Mart. Reg 19.99 list at 34.95. Case is beautifull wood. Circuit is the old PC board type with no surface mount stuff. Should be easy to work on. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Jan 06 04:28:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73130 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 12:28:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 12:28:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.95) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 12:28:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:27:46 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.18 by BAY106-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:27:46 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:27:45 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2006 12:27:46.0979 (UTC) FILETIME=[99C7AF30:01C612BC] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=FwWLO6gt6uev6yYfcUKRFRSjhnVREM-kOpMJ6rLvIVTsWVGXRRldvRyN4A X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Its a nice editorial . Something that could be done to help AM stereo would be a AM stereo receiver that would receive an AM stereo signal and convert it to FM STEREO and send it VIA a part 15 transmitter to ANY nearby existing FM radio. This will cover the many radios in place that lack AM stereo. --------------------------------------- I know chris cuff made AM stereo decoder boards but these required some soldering skills and only certain radios could be converted. It was beyond the scope of Joe Consumer to convert in most cases. --------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Bill Norman Sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:00:36 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. I will appreciate you reading and then giving me input on a piece I am preparing to send to my fellow broadcasters and to some trade publications. Perhaps you can give advice on how to make it better. To read the article first go to www.wnmb.net. Then when you have loaded the home page, at the left side click on WNMB FEATURES. Once the feature page opens, click on the topic labeled AM STEREO. Thanks. And when you read the part about the Ford Expedition, I got so excited about it that I went out today and bought one for myself! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From kjones_731@yahoo.com Fri Jan 06 09:24:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33089 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 17:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 17:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81912.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.191) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 17:24:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 92490 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2006 17:24:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20060106172451.92488.qmail@web81912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.223.165.182] by web81912.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:24:51 PST Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:24:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kirk Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philco Cathedral Radio Bookends HERE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=57Xr9_-Vk3maS6mpoOwAAb3HvVK02tligZnpHCIYBh_JO5-6iA X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 No model # listed. Analog display stereo fm uses a LA1824 Ic for the am-fm and an TDA2822M for the stero audio output. Made by Philco. Runs on 4 D cells but works great on a 6v wall wart. > > Is the tuning analog or digital display ??? Model > number and company that made it ???? > > Just picked up one of these radios and it is HOT. > Tuner on Am is > selective and sensitive:>). Paid $16.99 at a Food > Town/Drug Mart. Reg > 19.99 list at 34.95. Case is beautifull wood. > Circuit is the old PC > board type with no surface mount stuff. Should be > easy to work on. > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From kjones_731@yahoo.com Fri Jan 06 09:28:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65470 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 17:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 17:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81906.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.185) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 17:28:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 580 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2006 17:28:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20060106172851.578.qmail@web81906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.223.165.182] by web81906.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:28:51 PST Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:28:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kirk Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philco Cathedral Radio Bookends HERE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=Pu8pOKQ74aLyiJq0lgSfCN-gmlK_1dyYb8Arf9pQuPcIkOB_fA X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 That is the one I paid $16.99. You should be able to do better than their price. Check for Christmas closeouts at drug stores etc. > http://www.audiobuys.net/PC-841.216/1245.htm > > From kjones_731@yahoo.com Fri Jan 06 09:34:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85614 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 17:34:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 17:34:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81907.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.186) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 17:34:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 4766 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2006 17:33:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20060106173308.4764.qmail@web81907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.223.165.182] by web81907.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:33:08 PST Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:33:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kirk Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Philco Cathedral Radio Bookends X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=TV4Yz37arFVDf-fQP58BdWv4OKBVC5Ctse7lXiVsO8GGEAvyzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 FM is as good as the AM. The IC for the tuner has a place to add a tuning LED and Stero LED. Also an AGC output to and an S meter if you want and a stero mon switch. > > I know this is an AM forum, but how is the FM? It > would be nice to > have a radio that does a good job on BOTH bands. > > > > From tomray@wor710.com Fri Jan 06 11:15:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39316 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 19:15:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 19:15:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 19:15:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 19:14:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 19:14:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:14:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.8.239 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=0K29e3_Qtj7RY6hkvI4lTwsjEdZJTwgqMrcYds7EFqT4kzQP X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > I will appreciate you reading and then giving me input on a piece I am=20 > preparing to send to my fellow broadcasters and to some trade=20 > publications. Perhaps you can give advice on how to make it better. = =20 > To read the article first go to www.wnmb.net. Then when you have=20 > loaded the home page, at the left side click on WNMB FEATURES. Once=20 > the feature page opens, click on the topic labeled AM STEREO. > Thanks. And when you read the part about the Ford Expedition, I got=20 > so excited about it that I went out today and bought one for myself! > Bill: Your article is very well written. However, and with all due respect (it's refreshing to see someone actually take pride in their station!), my comments are as such: You may wish to add the following conclusion to the end of your article to make it accurate: "If you wish to take your radio station, add to it technology that was perfected in the 1970's and brought to fruition in the early 1980's, and that will be frequency limited, subject to the same atmospheric disturbances that conventional AM radio is (quoted from our own Joey Reynolds, "oh good....two channels of noise and distortion"), and will not make your technical operation relevent in this new millennium, we encourage you to install AM Stereo on your station. Please do not complain when you shut the door, turn off the lights, and turn your license into the FCC when it becomes evident that listeners are no longer listening to analog AM in favor of HD AM, as analog AM stations will no longer be able to compete while up against the mirad digital offerings presented to consumers, and the then middle aged listeners will no longer consider analog AM an option, as they do not even consider it an option at this point in time. It's been nice knowing you". My only other comment in regards to the Ford Excursion: you could have saved a whole hell of a lot on gas by putting that cash into HD conversion, making your station state-of-the-art for 2006, and putting an HD radio in the dash, for the same amount of cash. This statement is based on actual conversion costs, not those fabricated by some on this message board who have no experience in HD conversion. One final thing. Save your postage on the copy you would send to Buckley corporate. We're not interested. It will end up on my desk and will end up in my "special" filing cabinet under my desk that gets emptied every night.=20=20 AM Stereo. Been there. Done that. Time to move forward. Tom Ray VP/Corporate Director of Engineering Buckley Broadcasting/WOR Radio New York From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Jan 06 11:18:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98004 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 19:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 19:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 19:18:54 -0000 Received: from [4.247.127.129] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Eux6v-0003op-U6 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:18:51 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006156191859984@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.108.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:18:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc614aaa16174fcc44ddcddccf625d0d69350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=rUyFIMgv2wN9fUt7tdd_YJKR2zu_yPj8SYAChfej86CYjQ Yes, I understand WOR's ratings tripled after they added IBOC. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Tom Ray > To: > Date: 1/6/2006 2:15:32 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > > > I will appreciate you reading and then giving me input on a piece I am > > preparing to send to my fellow broadcasters and to some trade > > publications. Perhaps you can give advice on how to make it better. > > To read the article first go to www.wnmb.net. Then when you have > > loaded the home page, at the left side click on WNMB FEATURES. Once > > the feature page opens, click on the topic labeled AM STEREO. > > Thanks. And when you read the part about the Ford Expedition, I got > > so excited about it that I went out today and bought one for myself! > > > > Bill: > > Your article is very well written. However, and with all due respect > (it's refreshing to see someone actually take pride in their > station!), my comments are as such: > > You may wish to add the following conclusion to the end of your > article to make it accurate: > > "If you wish to take your radio station, add to it technology that was > perfected in the 1970's and brought to fruition in the early 1980's, > and that will be frequency limited, subject to the same atmospheric > disturbances that conventional AM radio is (quoted from our own Joey > Reynolds, "oh good....two channels of noise and distortion"), and will > not make your technical operation relevent in this new millennium, we > encourage you to install AM Stereo on your station. Please do not > complain when you shut the door, turn off the lights, and turn your > license into the FCC when it becomes evident that listeners are no > longer listening to analog AM in favor of HD AM, as analog AM stations > will no longer be able to compete while up against the mirad digital > offerings presented to consumers, and the then middle aged listeners > will no longer consider analog AM an option, as they do not even > consider it an option at this point in time. It's been nice knowing you". > > My only other comment in regards to the Ford Excursion: you could have > saved a whole hell of a lot on gas by putting that cash into HD > conversion, making your station state-of-the-art for 2006, and putting > an HD radio in the dash, for the same amount of cash. This statement > is based on actual conversion costs, not those fabricated by some on > this message board who have no experience in HD conversion. > > One final thing. Save your postage on the copy you would send to > Buckley corporate. We're not interested. It will end up on my desk > and will end up in my "special" filing cabinet under my desk that gets > emptied every night. > > AM Stereo. Been there. Done that. Time to move forward. > > Tom Ray > VP/Corporate Director of Engineering > Buckley Broadcasting/WOR Radio > New York > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Jan 06 11:22:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3125 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 19:22:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 19:22:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 19:22:37 -0000 Received: from [4.247.127.129] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EuxAV-0001q0-Ov for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:22:32 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006156192241859@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.108.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:22:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcd6caa244d3ab374e2028039d2d443c99350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=oAXiULd8KSheoTekiDlZbpYJLTq1YjkrRnRgT2YDXG4RTw In a more serious vein, I think we all appreciate Tom Ray's expertise and opinion. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Tom Ray > To: > Date: 1/6/2006 2:15:32 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > > > I will appreciate you reading and then giving me input on a piece I am > > preparing to send to my fellow broadcasters and to some trade > > publications. Perhaps you can give advice on how to make it better. > > To read the article first go to www.wnmb.net. Then when you have > > loaded the home page, at the left side click on WNMB FEATURES. Once > > the feature page opens, click on the topic labeled AM STEREO. > > Thanks. And when you read the part about the Ford Expedition, I got > > so excited about it that I went out today and bought one for myself! > > > > Bill: > > Your article is very well written. However, and with all due respect > (it's refreshing to see someone actually take pride in their > station!), my comments are as such: > > You may wish to add the following conclusion to the end of your > article to make it accurate: > > "If you wish to take your radio station, add to it technology that was > perfected in the 1970's and brought to fruition in the early 1980's, > and that will be frequency limited, subject to the same atmospheric > disturbances that conventional AM radio is (quoted from our own Joey > Reynolds, "oh good....two channels of noise and distortion"), and will > not make your technical operation relevent in this new millennium, we > encourage you to install AM Stereo on your station. Please do not > complain when you shut the door, turn off the lights, and turn your > license into the FCC when it becomes evident that listeners are no > longer listening to analog AM in favor of HD AM, as analog AM stations > will no longer be able to compete while up against the mirad digital > offerings presented to consumers, and the then middle aged listeners > will no longer consider analog AM an option, as they do not even > consider it an option at this point in time. It's been nice knowing you". > > My only other comment in regards to the Ford Excursion: you could have > saved a whole hell of a lot on gas by putting that cash into HD > conversion, making your station state-of-the-art for 2006, and putting > an HD radio in the dash, for the same amount of cash. This statement > is based on actual conversion costs, not those fabricated by some on > this message board who have no experience in HD conversion. > > One final thing. Save your postage on the copy you would send to > Buckley corporate. We're not interested. It will end up on my desk > and will end up in my "special" filing cabinet under my desk that gets > emptied every night. > > AM Stereo. Been there. Done that. Time to move forward. > > Tom Ray > VP/Corporate Director of Engineering > Buckley Broadcasting/WOR Radio > New York > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From wnmb@sc.rr.com Fri Jan 06 12:04:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96907 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 20:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 20:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 20:04:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 20:03:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 20:03:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:03:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.199.186.206 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=scV6QgJ4qqrqiWJztSg5_39XeLWO1xQJN7_1ywYDtC0oDg X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Good Grief Tom! It is not inconsistant for an AM Broadcaster to transmit AM Stereo=20 analog while knowing the future, somewhere down the road, holds=20 digital as the ultimate transmission mode.......but there's a lot of=20 years to come before that is going to happen. In the meantime, why=20 shouldn't we give our listeners the best we can do? Is WOR=20 broadcasting in HD IBOC? Let me know and I'll run right over to=20 Radio Shack and pick up a receiver; except they don't have one. In=20 fact, I can get my hands on a number of c-quam receivers a lot=20 faster. I regret Buckley wouldn't be interested in analog AM=20 Stereo, but I am not surprised. Planning for the future is wonderful,=20 but you also have to live today. As to your comments about saving=20 money on the Excursion (it was an Expedition), and instead buying=20 IBOC gear, thanks but I can do both. In fact, our gear, from=20 production one to control rooms, is about as state of the art as it=20 gets. The problem with your vision of the future for AM is that it=20 is a long way down the road and the medium has to survive to get=20 there. Excuse my Southern roots, but I feel like your reply was a typical=20 Yankee talking down to someone else. Looks like I'll have to call=20 out my Confederate ancestors and whip you people again! (just=20 kidding, but only a little!) So come on down to Myrtle Beach and North Myrtle Beach and take a=20 listen to C-quam and visit the studios. There sure are a lot of NY=20 license plates on highway 17. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" =20 wrote: > > > > I will appreciate you reading and then giving me input on a piece=20 I am=20 > > preparing to send to my fellow broadcasters and to some trade=20 > > publications. Perhaps you can give advice on how to make it=20 better.=20=20 > > To read the article first go to www.wnmb.net. Then when you=20 have=20 > > loaded the home page, at the left side click on WNMB FEATURES.=20=20=20 Once=20 > > the feature page opens, click on the topic labeled AM STEREO. > > Thanks. And when you read the part about the Ford Expedition, I=20 got=20 > > so excited about it that I went out today and bought one for=20 myself! > > >=20 > Bill: >=20 > Your article is very well written. However, and with all due=20 respect > (it's refreshing to see someone actually take pride in their > station!), my comments are as such: >=20 > You may wish to add the following conclusion to the end of your > article to make it accurate: >=20 > "If you wish to take your radio station, add to it technology that=20 was > perfected in the 1970's and brought to fruition in the early 1980's, > and that will be frequency limited, subject to the same atmospheric > disturbances that conventional AM radio is (quoted from our own Joey > Reynolds, "oh good....two channels of noise and distortion"), and=20 will > not make your technical operation relevent in this new millennium,=20 we > encourage you to install AM Stereo on your station. Please do not > complain when you shut the door, turn off the lights, and turn your > license into the FCC when it becomes evident that listeners are no > longer listening to analog AM in favor of HD AM, as analog AM=20 stations > will no longer be able to compete while up against the mirad digital > offerings presented to consumers, and the then middle aged listeners > will no longer consider analog AM an option, as they do not even > consider it an option at this point in time. It's been nice=20 knowing you". >=20 > My only other comment in regards to the Ford Excursion: you could=20 have > saved a whole hell of a lot on gas by putting that cash into HD > conversion, making your station state-of-the-art for 2006, and=20 putting > an HD radio in the dash, for the same amount of cash. This=20 statement > is based on actual conversion costs, not those fabricated by some on > this message board who have no experience in HD conversion. >=20 > One final thing. Save your postage on the copy you would send to > Buckley corporate. We're not interested. It will end up on my desk > and will end up in my "special" filing cabinet under my desk that=20 gets > emptied every night.=20=20 >=20 > AM Stereo. Been there. Done that. Time to move forward. >=20 > Tom Ray > VP/Corporate Director of Engineering > Buckley Broadcasting/WOR Radio > New York > From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Fri Jan 06 14:32:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12907 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 22:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 22:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 22:32:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 22:31:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 22:31:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:31:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: I-BOC Comment from Broadcaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=CN5a87NOAoCYcZEWqbozcFBt3ZoXtz2HN2V6IP9BL7cTD_Ut2YCc X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 How true are these comments today from Tom Bosscher? >IBAC/IBOC Too little, too early. > > Well, from all the press releases, this IBAC/IBOC thing=20 >is the killer application for us broadcasters. Let's dig a little=20 >bit and see what shows up. > >Among the claims of FM IBAC/IBOC is that it sounds=20 >better than analog FM. 100kbps? I don't think so. Any decent=20 >analog >FM station will sound superior to this gigantic bit loss audio=20 >transmission mode. What record company would be willing to send >it's latest single out down coded to 128kbps? Yet, this is supposed >to be better than analog FM. A simple statement: Most FM stations >sound better than IBAC/IBOC. > > Keep in mind that you will be using an MP3 type signal as >your audio signature. > > Remember just one thing with any digital compression >scheme. Once the bits are thrown away, you cannot get them back. >32kHz sampling for 16 bits times two channels is 1,024 kbps. This >is what the average FM analog radio station is on the air with=20 >today. FM IBAC/IBOC is around 100kbps. IBAC/IBOC is throwing away >90% of the bits that we use on the air today. > > All of the demonstrations that I have seen with=20 >IBAC/IBOC have been with a direct CD audio source. How does the new >algorithm work with existing digital compression audio sources at=20 >most stations? ISDN, Musicam, MiniDisc, MP2 and MP3, and how will >it sound being driven by the digital satellite sources, with their >very own way of dropping bits? > > Has there been any reasonable amount of listening tests >using transcoded material? Transcoding ( that is, more than one=20 >digital compression scheme), exists at most FM stations in the >United States. > > From my personal observation, the demonstrations of IBOC >have been coming directly from a CD, with minimal audio processing. >In the real world, the PD's will want that average audio level right >up next to the peak. The press for the highest density audio will >be present in IBOC just as strongly as it is now with analog FM.=20 >Ask Bob Orban or Frank Foti what happens to highly processed audio >that then goes through any perceptual encoder. This automatic blend >to analog will dictate that the digital audio stream will be as >aggressively processed as the analog source. Again, how will a >digital satellite source sound after industry standard grade level >processing, then into the Ibiquity ten to one bit reduction scheme? > > Another perpetuated strength of IBOC over analog FM is >the elimination of multipath. Let me save the automotive=20 >manufactures a lot of money. Take a look at the German built >Blaupunkt radios, which use DSP decoding at the 10.7 MHz IF. The >capture ratio hovers at 1 db, as opposed to the 8-10 db of the >average Detroit designed automotive radio. Cut the capture ratio >down to 1db, and most of the multipath goes away. If Blaupunkt >can retail these radios for $ 200, what do you think Detroit can >build them for? > > Let's step sidewise and look at the highly touted AM=20 >IBOC. I will admit that I was oh so hoping for a solution for AM >here. But, what was it, some 30 odd years ago that the FCC stopped >licensing new AM daytime only stations? Something about not serving >the public? And now, IBOC AM is for daytime only? Should the FCC=20 >even allow this? > > Let's look at a parallel, HDTV. The TV broadcaster gets >to decide how to utilize the bandwidth. But not the closed and to >be paid for technology of IBOC FM. The digital signal HAS TO be a=20 >copy of the analog. We, the broadcaster cannot take the composite >150kbps and use it the way we feel. Why can't I decide to have one >50kbps and 4-25kbps slots for audio? It's not allowed under=20 >Ibiquity. And why? Follow the logic of the touted superior digital >signal. When this superior digital signal fails, Ibiquity wants to >have the receiver fall back to the inferior coverage of the analog=20 >FM. If the digital is so superior, why does it need to fall back to >anything? > > Let's talk money. Ibiquity plans to extract money from >the broadcaster three ways. First, they charge a six-digit figure >to the Ibiquity exciter manufactors for the rights to build the=20 >exciters. Second, they then charge a per exciter fee. Last, they=20 >then charge the station a direct fee. As of today, it is one fee >for life. Until Ibiquity asks the FCC for the entire RF mask, and >dropping the analog FM signal. What will the fee be for that? > >It was reported that Ibiquity has invested over $ 100 million >dollars, and there was a quote that "Ibiquity deserves the right to >get that money back." Wrong. Ibiquity deserves the right to TRY to >get that money back. Last I checked the words were "and the pursuit >of happiness". Why should the FCC guarantee any group the right to >make money? Ask Magnavox how much money they made on AM Stereo. > >IBAC/IBOC, the high school experiment gone wrong, has been on the >table for over ten years. And yet, in the last few months, Ibiquity >has changed to a new "better" compression algorithm. Why can't we=20 >wait another decade and see what some students at MIT might come up >with during their lunch hour? > > I would like to throw out a challenge. At this years NAB >radio show in Seattle, let's have a van with an Ibiquity receiver=20 >and a $ 200 Blaupunkt digitally demodulated receiver. Audio source=20 >is identical, with identical preprocessing. Let the riders decide.=20 >If Ibiquity would really like to show the superiority if their=20 >product, they will build this van and put it on the road=20 >immediately. Schedule major markets, including those with >multipath. Let's just see how easy it is to say no to this unneeded >"improvement". > >Here is the ultimate question. What benefit is IBAC/IBOC to any FM=20 >station, and to the consumer? > >IBAC/IBOC "Pay more, get less". > >Tom Bosscher >Grand Rapids, Michigan From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 06 14:47:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97883 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 22:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 22:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52005.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 22:47:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 2447 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2006 22:47:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20060106224736.2445.qmail@web52005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [38.100.146.10] by web52005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:47:36 PST Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:47:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <43BE5491.8010309@netzero.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A missed AM Stereo Station.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=T1xEUPJNtYI8YJYC7izhJYbPjc99OMOlAOd0bokcjG1xaMXtuqbp X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Alan, Do you know if WMOP in Ocala is still xmitting at least a pilot? About 4-5 years ago they were. Their simulcast station: WGGG/1230-Gainesville wasn't though. Thanks, Jay, N1WVQ & WQBI410 (formerly of WFCF & WFOY in S.A..) __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Fri Jan 06 15:00:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39868 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 23:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 23:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 23:00:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 23:00:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 23:00:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:00:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Struggles with Launching an IBOC HD Receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=SvBxL8LB_08I-gN9gSxvW-sLq8OXt75XQHI__274DMQL8f4vJMVl X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Radiosophy is one of approximately 12 radio manufacturers licensed for the iBiquity HD Radio system. They had to postpone launch last month of their $269 radio, due to AM band sensitivity issues.=20=20 Per Radiosophy's "Projected Shipping Dates" announcement, this is the current progress with their HD radio receiver: >We were about to start mass production when quality testing >highlighted technical issues that needed to be addressed. As >painful as it is for us to delay, high quality is most=20 >critical. We will resolve these issues soon and manufacturing=20 >will resume. We are very close. > >The Chinese New Year holiday shuts down manufacturing for a=20 >few weeks. As a result, we don't expect shipments to begin=20 >until late February. As a guideline, orders placed after=20 >November 30 can expect to add 4 to 6 weeks to our first=20 >delivery dates. > >Update 1/6/06 >An engineering sample of the MultiStream HD is now running=20 >at the CES show in the iBiquity booth. We are grateful that=20 >it arrived today because FedEx absolutely, positively failed=20 >to get it there yesterday for the first day of the show! > >Update 1/3/2006 >We have shipped a sample unit to the Consumer Electronics=20 >Show in Las Vegas, where it will be on display in iBiquity's=20 >booth, number 4616, in the North Hall. Engineering is still >working on receiver issues; no firm dates are available. > >Update 12/27/05 >Work is progressing, although our status has not changed=20 >this week. > >Update 12/20/05 >Engineering continues to work on the receiver. They have=20 >identified a key issue and are working on a resolution.=20 >Specific ship dates are not yet available, but February is no=20 >longer realistic. > >Update 12/13/05 >We are going to the next step in the manufacturing process=20 >with our speaker unit. We have decided to proceed with the=20 >speakers while engineering continues to work on issues with=20 >the receiver. Once all issues are resolved we will have a=20 >better idea of our ship dates. > >As of 12/7/05 >Our engineers are continuing to work on the issues. We do not=20 >have any new dates to provide this week, but we will continue to=20 >post weekly updates as we progress. > >-Thank you for your patience. From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Jan 06 16:35:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12637 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 00:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 00:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.241.29) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 00:35:26 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060107003404.UBOT20441.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:34:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:35:08 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} (ABDX) WGUL/WKFD and Steve Bousquet//Aanother farewell to live,loval and music on WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=rxyfiMXhYAkapJwVqYNq5TGx01wnlMLotKnkZ1Ig1OejQ8xK63NjeookXupC X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got back from a vacation in Yosemite. On the way back we hit traffic near LAX airport; Sirius reported the trouble spot. KNX did not. KFWB did not. Local radio? Who needs today's version? I don't. On Jan 2, 2006, at 12:09 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > I would point out that although there is a market for services like > XM, and > > probably a large one at that, there are people like myself who like > radio > > that speaks about (and to) local people, places, and events, and > right now > > we're not listening to all this nationalized generic programming. > I've > > switched to CDs and tapes pretty much, because I'm just bored with > faceless > > generic radio programming. > > Dick W. > > Where I live, we just went through a weather-related disaster. (All > of California's being hit by the storms, but it's been particularly > bad from Marin to Del Norte counties, which includes Humboldt, my > home county.) As such, only ONE station has been providing storm- > related news- Road closures, power outages and restoration, school > closures, etc.- KHUM, licensed to Garberville, with studios in > Garberville, Ferndale and Eureka (covering the south and central > parts of the county- The county is about 70-80 miles long, 15-20 > miles wide), and is heard county-wide. We only have about 1/3 of the > FM stations operational here, and all the AMs seem to be > operating...but KHUM on 104.3/104.7 FM is the only one with emergency > coverage locally. > > KHUM isn't cprporate, and has never followed the corporate mantra. > > Thank God for freeform live&local! > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > YAHOO! 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Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Jan 06 17:22:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94651 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 01:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 01:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 01:22:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:22:38 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 01:22:38 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060106172851.578.qmail@web81906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 01:22:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2006 01:22:38.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[D91CF110:01C61328] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philco Cathedral Radio Bookends HERE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Thanks for the info and link. In this area, we are down to 2 drugstore chains, CVS (and none I have been to sell radios) and Walgreens, some Walgreens here do sell radios. Will have to check Walgreens and Big Lots. Donn St Petersburg,FL >From: Kirk Jones >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philco Cathedral Radio Bookends HERE >Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:28:51 -0800 (PST) > >That is the one I paid $16.99. You should be able to >do better than their price. Check for Christmas >closeouts at drug stores etc. > > > > http://www.audiobuys.net/PC-841.216/1245.htm > > > > > From kjones_731@yahoo.com Fri Jan 06 17:29:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15410 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 01:29:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 01:29:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81904.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.183) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 01:29:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 98451 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2006 01:29:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20060107012911.98449.qmail@web81904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.223.165.182] by web81904.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:29:11 PST Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:29:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kirk Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philco Cathedral Radio Bookends HERE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=g9Yvc6KwaBzOMp6U4FcLyddnbR40zTYpF5IP01qLK2VKW_S5BA X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 The website www.discount-durgmart.com is the store i found it in. Looks like they are only in Ohio. Sorry. --- Donn Tillman wrote: > Thanks for the info and link. > > In this area, we are down to 2 drugstore chains, CVS > (and none I have been > to sell radios) and Walgreens, some Walgreens here > do sell radios. > > > Will have to check Walgreens and Big Lots. > > Donn > St Petersburg,FL > > > >From: Kirk Jones > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philco Cathedral Radio Bookends > HERE > >Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:28:51 -0800 (PST) > > > >That is the one I paid $16.99. You should be able > to > >do better than their price. Check for Christmas > >closeouts at drug stores etc. > > > > > > > http://www.audiobuys.net/PC-841.216/1245.htm > > > > > > > > > > > From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Jan 06 19:42:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26200 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 03:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 03:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 03:42:53 -0000 Received: from [4.247.122.188] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ev4yh-0008DL-Js for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:42:52 -0500 Message-ID: <380-220061673432406@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.108.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:43:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcda4cc94186edc5a6ffdc87f8085542e2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} (ABDX) WGUL/WKFD and Steve Bousquet//Aanother farewell to live,loval and music on WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=cot-chgZAkYojw5s97YtrF8YvSq_pzpEgEFxmDFpalU-Pw My comments favoring local radio weren't meant to suggest that local radio always works and network or satellite doesn't. Rather, they simply reflected an attitude on my part about hearing references to local people and places, and the knowledge that the person I'm listening to is just down the block. I'll agree that much so-called local radio today is understaffed and may not perform as well in areas like news coverage. But I still enjoy listening to familiar people down the block. Just a personal thing - Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Richard Wagoner > To: > Date: 1/6/2006 7:35:28 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} (ABDX) WGUL/WKFD and Steve Bousquet//Aanother farewell to live,loval and music on WGUL > > I just got back from a vacation in Yosemite. On the way back we hit > traffic near LAX airport; Sirius reported the trouble spot. KNX did > not. KFWB did not. Local radio? Who needs today's version? I don't. > > On Jan 2, 2006, at 12:09 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > > > I would point out that although there is a market for services like > > XM, and > > > probably a large one at that, there are people like myself who like > > radio > > > that speaks about (and to) local people, places, and events, and > > right now > > > we're not listening to all this nationalized generic programming. > > I've > > > switched to CDs and tapes pretty much, because I'm just bored with > > faceless > > > generic radio programming. > > > Dick W. > > > > Where I live, we just went through a weather-related disaster. (All > > of California's being hit by the storms, but it's been particularly > > bad from Marin to Del Norte counties, which includes Humboldt, my > > home county.) As such, only ONE station has been providing storm- > > related news- Road closures, power outages and restoration, school > > closures, etc.- KHUM, licensed to Garberville, with studios in > > Garberville, Ferndale and Eureka (covering the south and central > > parts of the county- The county is about 70-80 miles long, 15-20 > > miles wide), and is heard county-wide. We only have about 1/3 of the > > FM stations operational here, and all the AMs seem to be > > operating...but KHUM on 104.3/104.7 FM is the only one with emergency > > coverage locally. > > > > KHUM isn't cprporate, and has never followed the corporate mantra. > > > > Thank God for freeform live&local! > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Jan 06 21:45:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59581 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 05:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 05:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao08.cox.net) (68.230.241.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 05:45:20 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060107054232.XFOV26964.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 00:42:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: <380-220061673432406@earthlink.net> References: <380-220061673432406@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:44:24 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} (ABDX) WGUL/WKFD and Steve Bousquet//Aanother farewell to live,loval and music on WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=qpVXO1XKHiTwvbZnppSc5h2U12z8YcGuH8y9NYgeAX8jtdUAv1RAHARFn1FA X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree. I'd love local radio ... if anyone still did it. Hasn't really been done for hit radio since the mid 1980s KIIS-FM. We do still have KZLA (the one station I prefer over the competing Sirius channels), but so few stations and programmers even know how to do radio. Jack FM don't know jack about why I don't like radio. On Jan 6, 2006, at 7:43 PM, Dick W wrote: > My comments favoring local radio weren't meant to suggest that > local radio > always works and network or satellite doesn't. Rather, they simply > reflected an attitude on my part about hearing references to local > people > and places, and the knowledge that the person I'm listening to is > just down > the block. I'll agree that much so-called local radio today is > understaffed and may not perform as well in areas like news > coverage. But > I still enjoy listening to familiar people down the block. Just a > personal > thing - > Dick W. > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Richard Wagoner > > To: > > Date: 1/6/2006 7:35:28 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} (ABDX) WGUL/WKFD and Steve Bousquet//Aanother > farewell to live,loval and music on WGUL > > > > I just got back from a vacation in Yosemite. On the way back we hit > > traffic near LAX airport; Sirius reported the trouble spot. KNX did > > not. KFWB did not. Local radio? Who needs today's version? I don't. > > > > On Jan 2, 2006, at 12:09 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" > wrote: > > > > > > > > I would point out that although there is a market for > services like > > > XM, and > > > > probably a large one at that, there are people like myself > who like > > > radio > > > > that speaks about (and to) local people, places, and events, and > > > right now > > > > we're not listening to all this nationalized generic > programming. > > > I've > > > > switched to CDs and tapes pretty much, because I'm just bored > with > > > faceless > > > > generic radio programming. > > > > Dick W. > > > > > > Where I live, we just went through a weather-related disaster. > (All > > > of California's being hit by the storms, but it's been > particularly > > > bad from Marin to Del Norte counties, which includes Humboldt, my > > > home county.) As such, only ONE station has been providing storm- > > > related news- Road closures, power outages and restoration, school > > > closures, etc.- KHUM, licensed to Garberville, with studios in > > > Garberville, Ferndale and Eureka (covering the south and central > > > parts of the county- The county is about 70-80 miles long, 15-20 > > > miles wide), and is heard county-wide. We only have about 1/3 > of the > > > FM stations operational here, and all the AMs seem to be > > > operating...but KHUM on 104.3/104.7 FM is the only one with > emergency > > > coverage locally. > > > > > > KHUM isn't cprporate, and has never followed the corporate mantra. > > > > > > Thank God for freeform live&local! > > > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Fri Jan 06 22:58:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53944 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 06:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 06:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 06:58:39 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ev829-0001kS-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 01:58:38 -0500 Message-ID: <015c01c61357$c7923c50$6805a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 01:58:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=rCAj5CEVi8C0Vlv_CUG9-3C8uSVUYRI9reoF2W2ulIS67gfE0-cuIcEPR--Kww X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Ray wrote: >we encourage you to install AM Stereo on your station. Please do not complain when you shut the door, turn off the lights, and turn your license into the FCC when it becomes evident that listeners are no longer listening to analog AM in favor of HD AM, as analog AM stations will no longer be able to compete while up against the mirad digital offerings presented to consumers, and the then middle aged listeners will no longer consider analog AM an option, as they do not even consider it an option at this point in time. It's been nice knowing you". Hmmm OK, WOR is the Number 18 station (Number 5 AM) in New York pulling a 2.3 share in the latest Arbitron book. WINS-AM is pulling a 4.1, WABC is pulling a 3.7, WCBS-AM is pulling a 2.9, and WFAN is pulling a 2.5 How can a 50,000 Watt radio station that is getting it's ass kicked by 13 FMs and 4 other AM News/Talkers in the Number 1 market give advise on how increase listenership to a 500 Watt radio station 549 miles South of them in a small, unrated market? Bill, Don't worry about them Yankees up North. Just keep up the great work at WNMB and you will OWN your local market with your 500 Watt signal. The Arbitron book does not lie, People just don't want to listen to 5 kHz distorted Mono audio surrounded by digital hash. > > My only other comment in regards to the Ford Excursion: you could have saved a whole hell of a lot on gas by putting that cash into HD conversion, making your station state-of-the-art for 2006, and putting an HD radio in the dash, for the same amount of cash. This statement is based on actual conversion costs, not those fabricated by some on this message board who have no experience in HD conversion. Now that would make a LOT of sense, Tom. With his 500 Watt directional signal, you would have to be in the parking lot of the transmitter shack for the HD radio to switch to the digital signal, but that's OK because his HD-Radio would more than likely be the ONLY HD-Radio in his market! In the mean time, the digital noise would drive his analog listeners over to the only other Oldies signal you can get in North Myrtle Beach, Analog WVCO-FM > > One final thing. Save your postage on the copy you would send to Buckley corporate. We're not interested. It will end up on my desk But then, it could end up on the CEO's desk and he just might be impressed with the little 500 Watt station that is not only surviving, but is thriving and spending the bucks to improve it's plant as well as the programming. What if the CEO decides he does not like WOR being the Number 18 station, and decides to take a little drive down to WNMB for the "Nickel Tour" to see what is going on at this thriving AM? What if your boss decides he wants to become the number 1 station in New York and starts canning the people that caused WOR to have it's ass handed to them on a platter by 17 other stations? I am sure the first victim would be the PD, but he may also decide WOR might have more listeners if it didn't have the digital noise in the audio. I know that if *I* owned a 50,000 Watt Clear in the Number 1 market that could only get a 2.3 Share, heads would have rolled a long time ago! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Jan 07 05:36:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46187 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 13:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 13:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.137) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 13:36:12 -0000 Received: from storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id DD681D643 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 05:33:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA02874; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 05:33:23 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRvFQ6D7SWY/RywpfCEXr/rkVnqRAIUKpMC7dX8zzg6SIxu2pDhxN+cEUM= Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 07:33:23 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <361-43BFC323-252@storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 7 Jan 2006 10:41:51 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1777 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=QyFqAkVL5ETvkuHDN3YN68sb6HJBGNB3PuRQ8C2sembMQzyQrA X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 I feel so fortunate that we have KCMO 710 ( Ex-WHB) Kansas City to block and obiterite any IBOC signals from WOR 710 New York. IBOC is nothing but Digi-Hash polluting the airwaves. Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 593-6841 Omaha, Nebraska I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items, and a lot more!! http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Jan 07 05:43:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22250 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 13:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 13:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 13:43:27 -0000 Received: from [4.247.120.45] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EvELt-0006X4-Kz for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 08:43:26 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006167134339312@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.108.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:43:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc449adb563445124c14f30fa384b50002350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} (ABDX) WGUL/WKFD and Steve Bousquet//Aanother farewell to live,loval and music on WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=DMYI8O7aeuIKfedvdfJkUDhouC52eYtkgz1TJKYd1JE7yA When WGUL was still music (up to a few months ago), their format was wonderful. They had local announcers with music all day long until about 7 pm, when they switched to continuous recorded music. Their music selections included hits from the 1940s through the present (as long as the music wasn't too noisy). They included local references and comments in their on-air remarks, etc. Although they weren't am stereo the last few years, back during the earlier days when they did broadcast in stereo they really did sound great. One day, I drove to a place equidistant from their am and fm transmitters to compare their simulcast am and fm signals, and the am stereo sounded so much better than the fm stereo did. The am had a crispness and presence to it that was just plain lacking in the fm. That's when I became a real believer in ams. Too bad it didn't continue. Had the FCC mandated c-quam in all receivers, it would have worked. That same failure to mandate will wind up being the death of IBOC. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Richard Wagoner > To: > Date: 1/7/2006 12:45:22 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} (ABDX) WGUL/WKFD and Steve Bousquet//Aanother farewell to live,loval and music on WGUL > > I agree. I'd love local radio ... if anyone still did it. Hasn't > really been done for hit radio since the mid 1980s KIIS-FM. We do > still have KZLA (the one station I prefer over the competing Sirius > channels), but so few stations and programmers even know how to do > radio. Jack FM don't know jack about why I don't like radio. > > On Jan 6, 2006, at 7:43 PM, Dick W wrote: > > > My comments favoring local radio weren't meant to suggest that > > local radio > > always works and network or satellite doesn't. Rather, they simply > > reflected an attitude on my part about hearing references to local > > people > > and places, and the knowledge that the person I'm listening to is > > just down > > the block. I'll agree that much so-called local radio today is > > understaffed and may not perform as well in areas like news > > coverage. But > > I still enjoy listening to familiar people down the block. Just a > > personal > > thing - > > Dick W. > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Richard Wagoner > > > To: > > > Date: 1/6/2006 7:35:28 PM > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} (ABDX) WGUL/WKFD and Steve Bousquet//Aanother > > farewell to live,loval and music on WGUL > > > > > > I just got back from a vacation in Yosemite. On the way back we hit > > > traffic near LAX airport; Sirius reported the trouble spot. KNX did > > > not. KFWB did not. Local radio? Who needs today's version? I don't. > > > > > > On Jan 2, 2006, at 12:09 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I would point out that although there is a market for > > services like > > > > XM, and > > > > > probably a large one at that, there are people like myself > > who like > > > > radio > > > > > that speaks about (and to) local people, places, and events, and > > > > right now > > > > > we're not listening to all this nationalized generic > > programming. > > > > I've > > > > > switched to CDs and tapes pretty much, because I'm just bored > > with > > > > faceless > > > > > generic radio programming. > > > > > Dick W. > > > > > > > > Where I live, we just went through a weather-related disaster. > > (All > > > > of California's being hit by the storms, but it's been > > particularly > > > > bad from Marin to Del Norte counties, which includes Humboldt, my > > > > home county.) As such, only ONE station has been providing storm- > > > > related news- Road closures, power outages and restoration, school > > > > closures, etc.- KHUM, licensed to Garberville, with studios in > > > > Garberville, Ferndale and Eureka (covering the south and central > > > > parts of the county- The county is about 70-80 miles long, 15-20 > > > > miles wide), and is heard county-wide. We only have about 1/3 > > of the > > > > FM stations operational here, and all the AMs seem to be > > > > operating...but KHUM on 104.3/104.7 FM is the only one with > > emergency > > > > coverage locally. > > > > > > > > KHUM isn't cprporate, and has never followed the corporate mantra. > > > > > > > > Thank God for freeform live&local! > > > > > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > > > Stereo High performance Digital radio > > > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Groups Links > > > > > > > From tomray@wor710.com Sat Jan 07 07:04:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25185 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 15:04:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 15:04:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 15:04:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 15:04:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 15:04:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:04:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <380-22006156191859984@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=LV3D38Y0k_faKpU2BtcLfYWcDUiChYC3yEPnmKLZE1jUkYhq X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > Yes, I understand WOR's ratings tripled after they added IBOC. > Dick W. It's not about ratings, and it's about time you people understood that. It's about keeping listeners interested in radio...PERIOD.=20 That is the big picture.=20=20 A station is not necessarily successful if they come in #1 in the ratings....and there are many, many ways to interpret the ratings.=20 The ratings you keep referring to are all persons, 12+. That's not our audience....we appeal to a narrower segment. Get the full picture and learn how to read a ratings book. Tom Ray WOR > From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Jan 07 07:44:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16411 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 15:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 15:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 15:44:57 -0000 Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.203]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k07Fhori005098 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:43:50 -0500 X-ORBL: [66.72.65.47] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-66-72-65-47.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [66.72.65.47]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k07Fhp6q200424 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:43:51 -0500 Message-ID: <00ad01c613a1$290629d0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:43:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0601-3, 01/06/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=_4EiFmRErFEtFYxTifvd_hx8Mw1fWABU1RaWzboRGG5kSq0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > It's not about ratings, and it's about time you people understood > that. It's about keeping listeners interested in radio...PERIOD. > That is the big picture. It's always the 15th ranked radio station that says "it's not about ratings". If you have ever been fired because of a bad book, it IS about ratings. When the GSM wants to know how he's supposed to sell a 4th place station, it IS about ratings. You live by the book and you die by the book. That's the Golden Rule of radio. You may be the CE of a 50,000 watt heritage radio station, but you are not exactly showing a moment of brightness in this post. I have been in this biz for nearly 35 years and I have yet to have one GM, PD consultant or LISTENER tell me "It's about keeping listeners interested in radio...PERIOD"! Radio always has been, and always will be about getting as many listeners as possible, keeping them tuned in for as long as possible so you can get the highest rates for your commercials (or maximize underwriting and/or get donations if you're a non-com)DOUBLE PERIOD!!. WOR may be a billing giant in spite of it's ratings, but that's the luxury of being located in the Big Apple. As much as you are wrapped-up in IBOC, it doesn't mean diddley-squat to the average listener. AM technology is nearly a hundred years old, but I can name a half dozen markets that have an AM station sitting at the top of the Arbitrons. I just lost all respect for you, Tom. -Jim- From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 07 08:00:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86196 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 16:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 16:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 16:00:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 15:59:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 15:59:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:59:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <361-43BFC323-252@storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.149.215.139 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1777 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=msxjxgT75fN-O1Gce143bcc7kHyWtFuzeo77cgqopT0AW_vqOT0cajNftzXqKWkrdoI X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 If you've ever visited the radio-locator site, you will find that the=20 current and future transmitter sites of WOR are northwest of New York=20 City, and the strongest lobe in the directional pattern is, by far, to=20 the southeast, right over New York City, and there isn't much except=20 the Atlantic ocean beyond that. I'm in Mid-America too, so there isn't=20 that much likelihood that WOR will make its way to us.--- In=20 amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > > I feel so fortunate that we have KCMO 710 ( Ex-WHB) Kansas City=20 to > block and obiterite any IBOC signals from WOR 710 New York. IBOC is > nothing but Digi-Hash polluting the airwaves. >=20 >=20=20=20 > Oldphones@ webtv. net cell (402) 618-6089 OR (402) 593-6841 > Omaha, Nebraska=20=20=20 > I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and > wiring items, and a lot more!! > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage >=20 > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesPage2 > ASK Me about XM Satellite Radio !! > From tomray@wor710.com Sat Jan 07 08:08:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45066 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 16:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 16:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 16:08:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 16:07:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 16:07:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:07:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=9SUO29x0h0b8F81T3zv8DY6-1QQitdJ6LEjPzGEFr5jTEnQm X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > Excuse my Southern roots, but I feel like your reply was a typical=20 > Yankee talking down to someone else.=20=20=20 No sir. I am a realist and have been watching the slow erosion of the radio audience for many, many years, particularly on the AM band.=20=20 Much of this is programming, and no doubt your station has unique programming that persons want to listen to. And that is a large problem today...the 'cookie cutter' stations that play too many commercials and the same 300 songs over and over. Or the "local" talk station that does nothing but put on programs downlinked off the bird. Some people on this board, as their defense to my support of HD radio, site WOR's ratings. Well, the majority of WOR's programming is live and local (and we originate two radio networks), and we appeal to a niche market. We are also programmed similar to a TV station, where our entire audience shifts hourly (think Oprah, The Price is Right, a local newscast, The Guiding Light on TV)...we go from entertainment and information to consumer advice to food and cooking to psychology and sex....that is why we do not have consistently glowing ratings (the way the entire day is ranked) and has nothing to do with HD Radio. As an oldies station, playing music from, what, a 30 year period, I hope you don't play just 300 songs, when there are literally thousands from that timespan to choose from. This is what initially turns people off. But getting back to the erosion of listeners, when I started in the business, the big gripe was about people putting cassette machines in their cars....and the big complaint I heard, especially from programmers, was that they wished AM technically sounded and acted like FM. Then, it was the launch of MTV and networks, like NBC, putting on 'Friday Night Videos'. Then CD's came out. Then, computer audio, MP3 players, video games, and satellite radio. All this takes away from the radio audience. And granted, if the audience is turning on XM or Sirius because they can't get that programming on their local stations, then the programming on the local stations has got to change. But....now that this listener has experienced something like XM, which doesn't whistle, buzz, whine.....and his local station has changed, but still whistles, buzzes and whines...what do you think his preference will be? If he cares about the community and what's going on around him, it will be the local station. If he just wants to be entertained, it won't be that noise and distortion on the local station. He'll stick with XM. If we, in the industry, are going to wring our hands and cry "why are the listners leaving", then bury our heads in the sand, we'll be out of business and work in a relatively short period of time. But if we do our research, we learn that the "D" word (digital) has become common place and a selling point to Joe Consumer. And he gets that D word through XM, Internet radio, CD's, DVD's....incidentally, how many video cassettes does your local Best Buy sell these days? We now have a chance to offer him that "D" word, and without the broadcaster backing (ie, turning it on and making the offering), there is no chance it will get off the ground, period. If that happens, and the erosion of the listener base continues, we can't say we truly gave it our best shot as we lock the door for the last time.=20=20 You're a small station. We're a small company...even though WOR is one of the largest and oldest stations in the US, we are owned by a small company. Putting up false hopes of "an AM Stereo renaissance" helps no one. In it's day, AM Stereo was a great thing for AM radio. That time has passed. Did you pick up your exciter used, or was it part of a BE transmtitter? I have toyed with the idea of putting C-Quam on WOR at night. While on Harris' website you will see a C-Quam exciter board for the DX series transmitter, I asked our rep what it would cost and what the availability was. It is not even on his pricing and inventory sheet, and he was told by the factory that they could build one, it would be a custom special order, and I could expect to pay a ridiculous amount. I said no thank you. As a point of reference, we recently put a Boston Acoustics HD radio into the general manager's office. He's heard the HD in my car, and admits he has a tin ear. In our building, we have a good deal of interference, and this interference was evident in analog on the BA radio. There was a whistle and background hum, regardless of orientation of the antenna. Kick it into HD, however, and all the noise went away...and you could hear the host shuffling papers and high frequencies...none of which could be heard in the analog signal. And when the host shut up, there was absolute silence. There was electically generated noise on the analog only signal when the host hushed. Oh. And the stereo separation on the bumper music and spots is about 60dB. You don't get that on C-Quam AM Stereo, either. The best I've ever been able to get out of a C-Quam system, and I had a close to ideal antenna system and transmitter at WTIC, was 33dB. The GM just about jumped out of his chair as even his admitted tin ear noticed the difference, especially the intelligibility and the way the signal jumped out at him. Everyone in the station has been pulled into his office to hear us in HD over the past few days. All come away impressed.=20=20 My father in law has nerve deafness and wears hearing aids in both ears. Last time he was here, we punched around the AM band. He said "so what". We hit WOR and listened in analog. Then, I kicked it into HD. He noticed a difference immediately, sat up and said, "hey--I can understand what they're talking about! When do you think W--- (the station near him he listens to) will go HD?" Now, if someone who strains to hear normal conversation and has trouble listening to normal AM radio notices a difference, well, that's huge. The justification for keeping an analog only signal for me just went out the window. If we, as an industry, sit on our laurels and state that we should be keeping things the way they are 'just because', we are sealing our coffin ourselves. If your point is that, in the interim, maybe you should consider going C-Quam as a first step to the future, then I think you're on a good track. If what you're saying is "screw HD Radio - c-quam is the only way to go, so turn it on and tell the digital crowd to take a hike", I think you are only fooling yourself and hurting yourself in the long run. Will there be costs involved?=20 Of course. But your station obviously didn't have a problem with the antenna or transmitter....and if a station has a transmitter that is more than 15-20 years old, shame on them for wondering why the competition sounds better.....but you'll find that the same antenna issues that need to be corrected for HD also need to be corrected to make C-Quam operate correctly, so where is the issue here?=20=20 Maybe I didn't read your article correctly. And I'm not saying that HD is the saviour of radio. It is a tool, but I think an important tool in the aresenal, and one that will only help in the future. Think about it. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Sat Jan 07 08:32:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28749 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 16:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 16:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 16:32:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 16:31:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 16:31:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:31:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <015c01c61357$c7923c50$6805a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=TeXTtWxYIlVrSY3FhEuQXQCntdpFKCgqwbvqegiu3dXPXoOG X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > >=20 > Hmmm OK, WOR is the Number 18 station (Number 5 AM) in New York pulling a 2.3 share in the latest Arbitron book. >=20 > WINS-AM is pulling a 4.1, WABC is pulling a 3.7, WCBS-AM is pulling a 2.9, and WFAN is pulling a 2.5 >=20 > How can a 50,000 Watt radio station that is getting it's ass kicked by 13 FMs and 4 other AM News/Talkers in the Number 1 market give advise on how increase listenership to a 500 Watt radio station 549 miles South of them in a small, unrated market? [TR] And do you understand how WOR is programmed? The stations you listed above....WINS is all news all the time....WABC has continuity show to show.....WCBS is all news....WFAN is all sports.....the audience is consistent. WOR is programmed like a TV station.....your local station may have Oprah, followed by Entertainment Tonight, followed by The Price is Right, followed by the local news. The audience and ratings for this TV station change hourly, and that is how the ratings are interpreted for television. Ratings for radio are listed normally as "all persons 12+" or "6AM-10AM, 10AM to 3PM, 3PM to 7PM". Look at WOR 's programming: 5A-9A, entertainment and information: 9A-11A, consumer information: 11A-noon, food: noon-2, psychology, relationships and sex: 2-4, Bill O'Reilly: 4-6, Bob Grant (basically political talk), 6-9, Michael Savage (caustic political talk): 9-10, Jim Cramer (money): 10-11, Health Talk: 11-1A, Lionel (comedy, comedic politial talk). There is no continuity between the shows, and the audience shifts dramatically hour by hour. Also, we appeal to a crowd that is over 50 years of age....not normally shown as a large audience in the ratings books. Of course we will not show up as a highly ranked station under normal dayparts and "all persons 12+" So before you make a statement and blindly compare WOR to other stations in the market, you should go into the book hour by hour and compare us to other stations using our target demographic, which is women 50+. You cannot take a time period like 10-3P and use "all persons 12+": doesn't work. We literally go from consumer advice to psychology to O'Reilly during that daypart, and potentially have three vastly different audiences for each program. You need to fully analyze the situation, not look at generalities. >=20 > Now that would make a LOT of sense, Tom. With his 500 Watt directional signal, you would have to be in the parking lot of the transmitter shack for the HD radio to switch to the digital signal, but that's OK because his HD-Radio would more than likely be the ONLY HD-Radio in his market! In the mean time, the digital noise would drive his analog listeners over to the only other Oldies signal you can get in North Myrtle Beach, Analog WVCO-FM [TR] And an AM Stereo signal out of that parking lot is going to sound decent? Doubtful. Once again, before making blanket statements, maybe you should go get an HD equipped radio and check out digital coverage. You might be surprised. > >=20 > > One final thing. Save your postage on the copy you would send to Buckley corporate. We're not interested. It will end up on my desk >=20 > But then, it could end up on the CEO's desk and he just might be impressed with the little 500 Watt station that is not only surviving, but is thriving and spending the bucks to improve it's plant as well as the programming. What if the CEO decides he does not like WOR being the Number 18 station, and decides to take a little drive down to WNMB for the "Nickel Tour" to see what is going on at this thriving AM? What if your boss decides he wants to become the number 1 station in New York and starts canning the people that caused WOR to have it's ass handed to them on a platter by 17 other stations? I am sure the first victim would be the PD, but he may also decide WOR might have more listeners if it didn't have the digital noise in the audio. [TR] That envelope will most likely end up on my desk, with the comment, "take a look at this....maybe you should respond, then throw it away". That will be the extent of it. And our company has zero interest in being #1 in the market....I highly doubt WOR will be going Spanish any time soon. The only reason our CEO would be visiting WNMB would be if it were for sale and he were interested. Our CEO is 100% behind HD, and we have an agreement with iBiquity for station licensing, plus an agreement with Harris to provide the HD equipment for all our stations. I am presently lining up 4 of our stations for conversion this year. And on a typical AM radio, there is no digital noise in WOR's audio. Maybe before making a statement like this, you should listen to an HD station on a typical radio the typical listener is using...and it's not a GE SuperRadio. I can count the number of listener complaints I have received due to digital noise on one hand since 2002. This is a non issue. And once again, I refer to my ratings statement above. We have more listners than you think. >=20 > I know that if *I* owned a 50,000 Watt Clear in the Number 1 market that could only get a 2.3 Share, heads would have rolled a long time ago! [TR] You need to take a look at the entire picture, and "all persons 12+" in not our demographic. If Buckley were not confortable with the revenue and the ratings, drastic changes would have been made a long, long time ago. WOR serves a niche market...has since the 1930's....and won't be changing that aspect of our programming any time soon. Oh. And our sales department doesn't sell by the ratings book, unless they need to show a client the numbers in our target demo. Funny how they don't have a problem pulling in the advertisers. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Sat Jan 07 08:33:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9407 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 16:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 16:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 16:33:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 16:32:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 16:32:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:32:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <361-43BFC323-252@storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1777 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=MLOxSFLEnvwh1q1qm_sccdAR61G8JLf3T8cmHPJQEAPxx1Rs X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > > I feel so fortunate that we have KCMO 710 ( Ex-WHB) Kansas City to > block and obiterite any IBOC signals from WOR 710 New York. IBOC is > nothing but Digi-Hash polluting the airwaves. >=20 You probably should get used to it....it's not going away any time soon. And we are expecting nighttime authorization once the FCC gets their EAS issues for HD out of the way. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Sat Jan 07 08:44:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96231 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 16:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 16:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 16:44:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 16:41:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 16:41:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:41:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00ad01c613a1$290629d0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=AytC8hoe_YF9UKpPM29XjDUWMxB6C_9KB5oXTviRcBLQhME5 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > >=20 > It's always the 15th ranked radio station that says "it's not about=20 > ratings". > If you have ever been fired because of a bad book, it IS about ratings. > When the GSM wants to know how he's supposed to sell a 4th place station, it=20 > IS about ratings. > You live by the book and you die by the book. That's the Golden Rule of=20 > radio. > You may be the CE of a 50,000 watt heritage radio station, but you are not=20 > exactly showing a moment of brightness in this post. Well, Jim, you obviously have not looked at the 'big picture', nor worked for any who have, and I'm sorry you have had this experience. There is no problem with my brightness or contrast, color, tint, or any other aspect of my post.=20 WOR does not sell by the ratings, and it is not always about the ratings. In another post, you will see clearly that you cannot look at the typical dayparts and "all persons 12+" ratings and assume that WOR is a poorly performing station. We're not. We are programmed like a TV station, and our audience literally changes hour by hour, just like a TV station. And our target demo is upper age level....not the usual demo. If you were to go into a ratings book and analyze our target demos, you will find that we typically cream every other station in the market. You will also find that WOR's target demo listeners are typically more affluent than the listeners of other stations in the market.....and while 50+ is a hard sell to many advertisers, once you put the above facts on the table, they wish to reach people with disposable income, and WOR fits the bill every time.=20=20 So before you make a statement and lose respect for someone, maybe you should look at the whole story. It is not always about the ratings.=20 If you want to be #1, God bless you. We're not trying to be #1 overall and have no need to be. But we are #1 in our target demo, and to us that's what counts. Tom Ray WOR From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Sat Jan 07 09:45:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53990 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 17:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 17:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 17:45:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 17:41:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 17:41:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 17:41:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=Q7wVoodOVF_ORb7cgYE1FAccaTMk6h7ISAuJ6qBn6GDOp2_5XhYU X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Tom, You write: >But getting back to the erosion of listeners, when I started in the >business, the big gripe was about people putting cassette machines >in their cars....and the big complaint I heard, especially from >programmers, was that they wished AM technically sounded and acted >like FM. Then, it was the launch of MTV and networks, like NBC, >putting on 'Friday Night Videos'. Then CD's came out. Then,=20 >computer audio, MP3 players, video games, and satellite radio.=20=20 >All this takes away from the radio audience.=20 =20 I heard a live report this morning on WXYT from the floor of the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. They said that the hottest selling consumer item is now the Apple iPod, not radio. They also discussed the 120dB levels from these devices causing permanent hearing damage in a few years.=20=20 I am not trying to flog radio or any other medium, however it seems that from this CES report, that radio has had better days. WXYT played a Budweiser commercial that began in analog, and then jumped to HD. Of course, the effect was totally lost on the monaural analog short wave radio that I happened to be listening=20 to at the time. The caller on the telephone also could not hear any difference. The in-studio hosts stated that they did hear a difference in their headphones.=20=20=20=20 Though I do not (yet)own HD radio, several reports have crossed my desk that the HD technology "still needs improvement." These=20 are not my words. I am trying to remain impartial, and even=20 requested further information from iBiquity to obtain a consumer HD receiver manufacturing license. =20 There are sensitivity issues with the chipsets, not having the ability to lock onto the signal for more than 30 miles from the transmitter. Also, from the reports, the audio codec still needs=20 work.=20=20 Fredrick Einstein writes: >On AM, I have a Kiwa Air-Core Loop hooked to the receiver. The >sound on the two "talk radio" IBOC channels (at 950 and 1270 AM)=20 >are much better than the analogue -- when they first went on the=20 >air they suffered from extreme digital artifacts but the situation >has improved immensely and they sound pretty good -- kind of like=20 >a mediocre AM stereo CQAM signal. The big problem is, that due to >sideband interference, the IBOC is turned off at sunset on ALL AM >IBOC stations. In additon, the IBOC is only receivable on strong >local stations. Thus, I don't think that AM IBOC has much of a=20 >future.=20 Tony Simon writes: >The Recepter is quite a good radio....And it's lasted longer than >the Yamaha, which cost over twice as much and broke within days of >purchase...Warranty for the Yamaha?? Long story. ... >HD audio quality on AM still needs work, honestly...FM audio >quality of a 'one stream' HD station is indeed better, with better >separation, but not a terrible improvement.... >Signal reception of the HD signals is a bit tricky, though, and=20 >you have to play with the antenna on FM, and AM signals are tough >to catch..I can't get WQAM's HD very well, and I'm in the Miami=20 >area..Radio Disney's HD is the only one that comes in well. Reading the reports from Crawford Broadcasting, their engineers are also experiencing delays in acquiring lock to the HD signals on the AM band. It appears to be "black magic" (not my words) to optimize the signal, without causing significant sprectrum regrowth. According to one Crawford engineer, even following the iBiquity recommendations still did not provide satisfactory lock to their HD bit stream. >If we, in the industry, are going to wring our hands and cry "why >are the listners leaving", then bury our heads in the sand, we'll >be out of business and work in a relatively short period of time. >But if we do our research, we learn that the "D" word (digital)=20 >has become common place and a selling point to Joe Consumer. And=20 >he gets that D word through XM, Internet radio, CD's,=20 >DVD's....incidentally, how many video cassettes does your local=20 >Best Buy sell these days? We now have a chance to offer him >that "D" word, and without the broadcaster backing (ie, turning it >on and making the offering), there is no chance it will get off=20 >the ground, period. If that happens, and the erosion of the=20 >listener base continues, we can't say we truly gave it >our best shot as we lock the door for the last time.=20=20 It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out. Do you believe that low bit rate HD audio will save AM radio?=20=20 First impressions are lasting impressions for listeners.=20=20 I do believe that there will be life for HD on the FM band with multi-casting. This will allow FM radio stations to better compete in the market. In this age of highly competitive radio, it is not necessarily the technology exclusively that will keep the listeners, it is also the program content.=20=20=20=20=20 >Putting up false hopes of "an AM Stereo renaissance" >helps no one. In it's day, AM Stereo was a great thing for AM=20 >radio. That time has passed. ... I have toyed with the idea of=20 >putting C-Quam on WOR at night.=20=20 Do you remember the Pepsi Challenge a few decades ago? We should find two similar AM stations in the market, run identical programming to both, transmit C-QuAM on the first station, and HD from the second station. Get impartial listeners together (perhaps blind folded) and let them take the AM stereo challenge. Let them actually hear which station sounds better.=20 Two stations that could fit the bill in the Detroit area would be WWJ and WXYT. Both are 50kW directional, and both are owned by CBS Radio. Of course, they are proponents of iBiquity, and indeed both now transmit daytime HD signals. They probably=20 would not go for the AM stereo challenge.=20=20 73, Jeff http://Meduci.com From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Jan 07 10:57:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57092 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 18:57:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 18:57:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao12.cox.net) (68.230.241.27) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 18:57:14 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060107185452.SZFS17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:54:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:57:10 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=O_heiGeTSAFaArzGdn7vbUDKR0xNyHnp6Io-YDhKG2WuEy_HUL-d4LGhz4kB X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And to say what Tom isn't directly saying, it's the MONEY. If a station makes enough money, then ratings don't matter. Many FM stations are quite successful with ratings near or below 2.1 12+. Richard Wagoner On Jan 7, 2006, at 7:04 AM, Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > Yes, I understand WOR's ratings tripled after they added IBOC. > > Dick W. > > > > It's not about ratings, and it's about time you people understood > that. It's about keeping listeners interested in radio...PERIOD. > That is the big picture. > > A station is not necessarily successful if they come in #1 in the > ratings....and there are many, many ways to interpret the ratings. > The ratings you keep referring to are all persons, 12+. That's not > our audience....we appeal to a narrower segment. Get the full picture > and learn how to read a ratings book. > > Tom Ray > WOR > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditpro@charter.net Sat Jan 07 10:59:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95661 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 18:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 18:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf35.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.160) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 18:59:58 -0000 Received: from mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.133]) by mxsf35.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k07Ixjmd000854 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:59:45 -0500 Received: from 66-190-195-204.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([66.190.195.204]) by mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 07 Jan 2006 13:56:26 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,342,1131339600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1835706538:sNHT466847120" Message-ID: <001001c613bc$0efcdd70$ccc3be42@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:56:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: REALITY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=D5YiWIKml4-KLNP7cX64Mt05b-PALkO1s9q2xySSKOPJb1WeI55mJNXChq-O X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With all due respect to the fine engineers and AM radio enthusiasts here. I gotta jump in and lay a little reality on you. I got two AM stations in my cluster that are doing relatively well. One is a Sports Talk and the other is running a Gospel format. We have state of the art studios that are all wired up for stereo but it gets combined to mono before being fed to the transmitter over a single analog microwave STL. The Omnia audio processing is new but not capable of handling either C-QUAM or IBOC without being replaced or having a major upgrade. So, that means that going either way from mono would require a major investment from the owners. As you can imagine, I would have to sell them on the cost/benefit ratio of converting at least one of these stations to stereo. Obviously, we'd need to invest in new STL's and new processing and that would be a good sized chunk of cash right there. Even if I could get that far there are some real obstacles to over come. If we would decide to go C-QUAM we would have a very hard time finding a serviceable exciter. No one is building these things new anymore and finding parts for an existing used model would be difficult to damn near imposable. Getting the processing would not be too difficult but it would mean a considerable outlay either for a new Orban 9100/B, the only unit still being produced that is AMS ready, or finding vintage gear and having it refurbished. As far as IBOC is concerned, no one involved in the decision making process is comfortable with the degradation in analog audio that comes along with IBOC. More important than audio quality is the fact that we could very well end up interfering with OURSELVES! We have four AM stations that are relatively close together both geographically and frequency wise. As I said, two of those are in my cluster and if I started broadcasting IBOC, on my Gospel station for instance, I could easily obliterate the fringe service areas of the other three stations. No, that would not be a good thing at all! Therefore, the current thinking is that we will stay with clean 10 KHz mono analog. Personally, I'd love to take both of my stations to C-QUAM. I just rented a new 2006 Ford minivan with a Visteon AM Stereo radio in it. It sure would have been nice to hear our stations in stereo but the clean analog is certainly better than what I would be hearing on that radio if we were pushing a 5 KHz analog channel with a whole bunch of lovely digital hash on top of it. It's a compromise. One more point, AM Stereo is not a dead medium as long as there are radios out there that can get it. There are WAY more AMS compatible radio driving around than IBOC. If you are a station owner who has the wherewithal to be broadcasting in C-QUAM and you're not, you are an idiot. If you are broadcasting in C-QUAM and you're not promoting it that makes you an even BIGGER idiot. The only way that guys like me will ever be able to go stereo or IBOC, for that matter, is if there is a real consumer demand for it. I have to be able to prove that there is a real benefit to my bosses before they will consider making the investment in AMS. Being able to say that our listeners want stereo and then being able to show them letters and transcripts of phone calls from real people asking for it would go a long, long way. There will NEVER be a consumer demand for high quality AM radio if the broadcasters themselves don't start pushing for it in a big way.. Listeners have too many choices and if we don't promote the virtues of our product loud and strong, they'll just move on to something else. The key is marketing. AMS is not being marketed at all. A product that is not marketed is doomed to fail. Period. Letters to broadcasters are a good idea to start but without any real public awareness, you're wasting your time. Only a concerted effort to get people somewhat excited about AMS both inside and outside of the industry will turn things around. :) Joe Collins [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 07 11:04:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50185 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 19:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 19:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.221) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 19:04:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 19:04:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 19:04:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 19:04:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 19:04:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.26.161 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=yE9CqEURr7zmcxIekactfOP2KCemYrJVw2eq5XBo5OGRtI8U X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > Much of this is programming,=20 Which doesn't mean diddley to the issue of what transmission medthod=20 you use on AM... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 07 11:30:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88418 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 19:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 19:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 19:30:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 19:27:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 19:27:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 19:27:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c613bc$0efcdd70$ccc3be42@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.26.161 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: REALITY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=LF6KRS6VzWUitSWGK5w1_OKCJmpXT6wl49SLIDTh-z9fd1Jm X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" =20 wrote: > If we would decide to go C-QUAM we would have a very hard time=20 finding a serviceable exciter. No one is building these things new=20 anymore and finding parts for an existing used model would be difficult=20 to damn near imposable Um, yeah... OK.... While Motorola and Delta aren't making any new ones,=20 Harris and Nautel still are, as well as one or two Japanese TX=20 manufacturers. And I know BE is still servicing their's. And there are=20 others will WILL service C-QUAM equipment. (WNMB, if you recall, just=20 had their equipment taken care of.) C-QUAM ain't dead, yet. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From tomray@wor710.com Sat Jan 07 11:51:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22783 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 19:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 19:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 19:51:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 19:51:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 19:51:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 19:50:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=EgBuYBI4FvkUVj02u-CE8BuF7yJQYjqoD0UhV4F3pfxdIfVa X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wrote: > >=20=20 > I heard a live report this morning on WXYT from the floor of the > Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. They said that the > hottest selling consumer item is now the Apple iPod, not radio. > They also discussed the 120dB levels from these devices causing > permanent hearing damage in a few years.=20 [TR]Go back to around 1984....bet you see that same phrase regarding walkmen and portable CD players....I remember hearing it when CD's came out because of the dynamic range of a CD. I'm referring, of course, to the 120dB levels. And yes, the iPod is the hottest selling thing. And therein lies my point. I've had to take the train into the office this past week....the transmission in my 2003 Explorer is literally disintegrating (have you driven a Ford [into the ground] lately?)....and did not see one person with a radio. 99% had an iPod plugged in....the one person I saw with something different had a cassette machine. If they ain't listening to radio, well, where does that put us?? =20 >=20 > I am not trying to flog radio or any other medium, however it > seems that from this CES report, that radio has had better days. > WXYT played a Budweiser commercial that began in analog, and then > jumped to HD. Of course, the effect was totally lost on the > monaural analog short wave radio that I happened to be listening=20 > to at the time. The caller on the telephone also could not hear > any difference. The in-studio hosts stated that they did hear a > difference in their headphones.=20=20 [TR] Don't know how old you are....but in the 1960's, there were RCA television spots....in color...with a woman...."the grass is green, the sky is blue, my dress is vivid red". Worked really well on a black and white set, and equally as well if you had an RCA color set that was mistuned or misadjusted. That's what this sounds like to me. I can tell you that with AM, the difference is quite startling.=20 And my question is whether the caller on the phone was listening to an HD radio.....or was listening on the telephone. And yes, radio has seen better days. Of course, that has also been said many times over the years, too. =20=20 >=20 > Though I do not (yet)own HD radio, several reports have crossed > my desk that the HD technology "still needs improvement." These=20 > are not my words. I am trying to remain impartial, and even=20 > requested further information from iBiquity to obtain a consumer HD > receiver manufacturing license. >=20=20 > There are sensitivity issues with the chipsets, not having the > ability to lock onto the signal for more than 30 miles from the > transmitter. Also, from the reports, the audio codec still needs=20 > work.=20 [TR] Most likely there are issues. I have tested with the Kenwood, Panasonic, and JVC radios in the car, and all have performed equally as well. I have also tested the Boston Acoustics HD Receptor in our GM's office....which has a great deal of interference....and have no issue with modem or codec lock. This is a new technology. There are going to be issues. And that's what everyone needs to understand.=20 When CD players appeared, "golden ears" claimed that using a green sharpie to color in the edges of the disk would make it listenable.=20 There were issues with the first generation of players. No one was complaining. A little more than 20 years later, everyone is screaming "right now"....and that's not how new technology moves out.=20 Especially when the marketing people grab hold of it. =20 >=20 > Fredrick Einstein writes: > >On AM, I have a Kiwa Air-Core Loop hooked to the receiver. The > >sound on the two "talk radio" IBOC channels (at 950 and 1270 AM)=20 > >are much better than the analogue -- when they first went on the=20 > >air they suffered from extreme digital artifacts but the situation > >has improved immensely and they sound pretty good -- kind of like=20 > >a mediocre AM stereo CQAM signal. The big problem is, that due to > >sideband interference, the IBOC is turned off at sunset on ALL AM > >IBOC stations. In additon, the IBOC is only receivable on strong > >local stations. Thus, I don't think that AM IBOC has much of a=20 > >future.=20 [TR] Yes. The first codec had problems, and we were one of the stations that screamed the loudest...to the point where Glynn Walden came to the transmitter personally to see exactly what we were shouting about. Once he heard what we had on the air, the codec changed. No, it does not sound like a mediocre AM CQUAM signal. And I would also argue that it can only be received on strong local signals. I live in the middle of nowhere 50 miles north of NYC. I live in the null. I get WOR in HD up here. It is good to the 1/2mV contour, and we have tested and measured this. I can't get it in my driveway...I have around 0.35-0.4mV in the driveway...but once I get out of the neighboorhood where the signal hits around 1/2mV, it pops right in. And the reason it is turned off at sunset is that the FCC wanted more information on the potential for nighttime interference....not because it does cause interference. I can go into our nighttime testing with WLW, but perhaps we can chat about that off-list. No one here believes the results of the tests, so why bother? >=20 > Tony Simon writes: > >The Recepter is quite a good radio....And it's lasted longer than > >the Yamaha, which cost over twice as much and broke within days of > >purchase...Warranty for the Yamaha?? Long story. ... > >HD audio quality on AM still needs work, honestly...FM audio > >quality of a 'one stream' HD station is indeed better, with better > >separation, but not a terrible improvement.... > >Signal reception of the HD signals is a bit tricky, though, and=20 > >you have to play with the antenna on FM, and AM signals are tough > >to catch..I can't get WQAM's HD very well, and I'm in the Miami=20 > >area..Radio Disney's HD is the only one that comes in well. [TR] The FM quality is not startling. It is very subtle. For example, you do not get the processing artifacts in the high frequencies caused by pre and de emphasis. But it completely gets rid of multipath distortion in the signal. Our FM in Hartford went HD two weeks ago. We drove to my in laws house the day after Christmas, and I purposely drove through 'multipath alley'. Signal was solid as a rock, and my wife, who does not notice such things, even commented that the station wasn't "cutting in and out like it normally does", and that it sounded much better to her. And I didn't ask for comments nor tell her that we went HD there.=20=20 >=20 > Reading the reports from Crawford Broadcasting, their engineers > are also experiencing delays in acquiring lock to the HD signals > on the AM band. It appears to be "black magic" (not my words) to > optimize the signal, without causing significant sprectrum > regrowth. According to one Crawford engineer, even following the > iBiquity recommendations still did not provide satisfactory lock > to their HD bit stream. Yes, depending on many factors, mainly the transmitter and the antenna system, it can be tricky to set up an AM HD station....but it's not 'black magic'....it takes time and patience. It's not a plug and play thing. I had a guy at a station with 6 towers call me asking what he was doing wrong...it was a 50KW signal, and he was losing lock one mile from the transmitter. He claimed he followed the directions, but in reality he 1) had the spectrum analyzer set up wrong and 2) tried to accomplish this feat in 10 minutes. I gave him the correct analyzer settings, told him exactly what to look for, and told him it would probably take 2-3 hours, as to get an accurate reading, you need to average the spectrum for 10 minutes....each time you adjust something. He called me the next day to thank me....he spent about 2-1/2 hours....he had coverage that was better than what he expected, and for fun fired it into his 9 tower nighttime array and had the same results. So it can be done, but it takes time. >=20 >=20 > It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out. > Do you believe that low bit rate HD audio will save AM radio?=20=20 > First impressions are lasting impressions for listeners.=20 [TR] I have never stated that HD will save AM radio, nor will I do so now. There are many aspects to this; most have to do with programming. I believe it will help AM radio to not have the noise, distortion, and frequency limited audio to deal with on the consumer end, and that will go a long way with consumers to help bring AM radio out of the cellar in their eyes. =20 >=20 > I do believe that there will be life for HD on the FM band with > multi-casting. This will allow FM radio stations to better > compete in the market. In this age of highly competitive radio, > it is not necessarily the technology exclusively that will keep > the listeners, it is also the program content.=20 [TR] And there you are correct. I have also never said that the technology exclusively will keep listeners. We do, however, need to make ourselves relevent in the eye of the consumer. If they get digital satellite radio, and digital audio on their ipod, and digital television......and analog radio with multipath, clipped high frequencies due to pre and de emphasis curves, noise, distortion, and frequency limiting....we will be percieved as ancient technology and rapidly become less than a second choice for entertainment. =20=20=20=20 >=20 > Do you remember the Pepsi Challenge a few decades ago? > We should find two similar AM stations in the market, run > identical programming to both, transmit C-QuAM on the first > station, and HD from the second station. Get impartial listeners > together (perhaps blind folded) and let them take the AM stereo > challenge. Let them actually hear which station sounds better.=20 > Two stations that could fit the bill in the Detroit area would be > WWJ and WXYT. Both are 50kW directional, and both are owned by > CBS Radio. Of course, they are proponents of iBiquity, and > indeed both now transmit daytime HD signals. They probably=20 > would not go for the AM stereo challenge.=20=20 [TR] This would be interesting, but I doubt you'd get anyone to do it. to do it properly, you'd need to have stations with similar facilities, and have them, for example, play the same song or what have you at the same time to make a true A/B comparision. And that means duplicate CD players, duplicate audio consoles, duplicate STL's, duplicate processors set up exactly the same way...yadda, yadda, yadda. While some on this board jump up and down whenever I say this, I simply don't have time for something like this. All stations have downsized over the past 10 years, and my plate is extremely full all the time. I wish I had time to do something like this...something fun...but, alas, such is life. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. What we need now is for people to simply calm down and let things take their course. It's going to fly or it isn't, but mama bird will never know unless she pushes the baby out of the nest. 73 TR From tomray@wor710.com Sat Jan 07 11:54:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76912 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 19:54:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 19:54:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 19:54:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 19:54:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 19:54:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 19:54:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=Sh4TQKe3NZTGnkHSHfvWSn4tVSqIhHfGvWgvoxZSKNIScB7K X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > And to say what Tom isn't directly saying, it's the MONEY. If a=20=20 > station makes enough money, then ratings don't matter. >=20 > Many FM stations are quite successful with ratings near or below 2.1=20=20 > 12+. >=20 > Richard Wagoner >=20 And it all depends on how you go out and sell your station. Once you break the ratings down to your target demographic, and you find advertisers that wish to reach that demo and show them that you do it best, there is no problem. And there are still some out there that are "broadcasters", not bean counters. Yes, the $ has to be there to keep the station operating, but being #1 overall isn't important.=20 Being #1 in the demographic your station targets is. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Sat Jan 07 12:06:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7928 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 20:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 20:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 20:06:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 20:06:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 20:06:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:06:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c613bc$0efcdd70$ccc3be42@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: REALITY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=sa-2CtCsWUBXqXxP4_85kUYbNNoGpesbpQbvSJGSiKJz0kyB X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" wrote: > > As you can imagine, I would have to sell them on the cost/benefit ratio of converting at least one of these stations to stereo. Obviously, we'd need to invest in new STL's and new processing and that would be a good sized chunk of cash right there. Even if I could get that far there are some real obstacles to over come. If we would decide to go C-QUAM we would have a very hard time finding a serviceable exciter. No one is building these things new anymore and finding parts for an existing used model would be difficult to damn near imposable. Getting the processing would not be too difficult but it would mean a considerable outlay either for a new Orban 9100/B, the only unit still being produced that is AMS ready, or finding vintage gear and having it refurbished.=20 >=20 [TR] Just so you know, Joe, the Omnia 5-EX can do AMS, as can Orban's new 9400. And you're right....you can't find the items or the parts. And finding parts is a big problem. The manufacturers simply phase out manufacturing of a part once demand dips below a defined level, and once the surplus is used up, you're SOL. >=20=20 >=20 > One more point, AM Stereo is not a dead medium as long as there are radios out there that can get it.=20=20 [TR] This is true, but you could also say that about the beta video tape format...how many beta tapes does Blockbuster stock? Same with DOS. You could run it on a brand new computer, but why would you? (yeah, I know there are reasons why you'd want to, but let's stay with realism here). There are WAY more AMS compatible radio driving around than IBOC. If you are a station owner who has the wherewithal to be broadcasting in C-QUAM and you're not, you are an idiot.=20=20 [TR] This is correct. However, you also need to consider when FM Stereo came out, there weren't many FM Stereo radios out there....when AMS came out, there weren't many AMS radios out there...when CD's first came out, there weren't many CD's or players out there. Things take time to come out and start to blossom. Instant gratification doesn't work with the introduction of new technologies. If you are broadcasting in C-QUAM and you're not promoting it that makes you an even BIGGER idiot.=20=20 [TR] Extremely true. For an industry that sells advertising and tells people they need to promote themselves, we certainly don't do a very good job of promoting ourselves! The only way that guys like me will ever be able to go stereo or IBOC, for that matter, is if there is a real consumer demand for it. I have to be able to prove that there is a real benefit to my bosses before they will consider making the investment in AMS. Being able to say that our listeners want stereo and then being able to show them letters and transcripts of phone calls from real people asking for it would go a long, long way. There will NEVER be a consumer demand for high quality AM radio if the broadcasters themselves don't start pushing for it in a big way.. Listeners have too many choices and if we don't promote the virtues of our product loud and strong, they'll just move on to something else. [TR] A very true statement, Joe. You are saying it well. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The key is marketing. AMS is not being marketed at all. A product that is not marketed is doomed to fail. Period. Letters to broadcasters are a good idea to start but without any real public awareness, you're wasting your time. Only a concerted effort to get people somewhat excited about AMS both inside and outside of the industry will turn things around.=20=20 [TR] Or a concerted effort, which has started, pushing HD. Either way, a stereo signal is on the AM band. This will be an interesting ride. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Sat Jan 07 12:13:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38702 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 20:13:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 20:13:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 20:13:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 20:12:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 20:12:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:12:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=T26pztEVe_WN56q2JONWf3Zqg9Vb01mNv1yMoE5X-UUPl_XQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > > > Much of this is programming,=20 >=20 > Which doesn't mean diddley to the issue of what transmission medthod=20 > you use on AM... >=20 You apparrently didn't read a thing I wrote. It will mean a hell of a lot if the consumer can get the same thing on something like XM or Sirius. Why in God's name Joe Consumer would go to analog AM to get the same thing he could on XM or Sirius is beyond logic. "Let's see...I can listen to a nice, clean signal, or I can listen to noise and distortion....I think I'll choose the noise and distortion".=20 sounds like that old George Carlin routine, "OK Lady! Which pile of laundry is the whitest?" "The blue pile". I first started in the business at an AM/FM combo, right before FM was 'coming of age'. I told my boss one day I had spent considerable time the night before listening to the AM side (as I was a board operator on the AM side at that time) looking for audible production tips to make my operation better. Keep in mind the AM was king at this time. He said, "I appreciate the fact that you're interested in doing the best job possible, but why the hell would you want to listen to the AM when we run the same thing on the FM??" This was in the mid 1970's.=20=20 More to consider. Tom Ray WOR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 07 15:24:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46712 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 23:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 23:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 23:24:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 23:23:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 23:23:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 23:23:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.251.226 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: REALITY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=I8gHVtpSsdgdaQmXMlkaP-1bb_XnteZTtzVbSBcJkMQTBIpJ7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Um, yeah... OK.... While Motorola and Delta aren't making any new > ones, Harris and Nautel still are, as well as one or two Japanese > TX manufacturers. And I know BE is still servicing theirs. Delta is still selling C-Quam exciters and modulation monitors: http://www.deltaelectronics.com/amprod.htm > And there are others will WILL service C-QUAM equipment. (WNMB, if > you recall, just had their equipment taken care of.) As I recall, WNMB had installed a new Delta ASE-2 exciter. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 07 16:13:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51279 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 00:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 00:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.221) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 00:13:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 00:11:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 00:11:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 00:11:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 00:11:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <380-22006156191859984@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.251.226 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=xC0CVR74y37uPIvIUaT8MZ2Ftu59jp8BmgC3UmDagMBzVKzT0w X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > Yes, I understand WOR's ratings tripled after they added IBOC. > Dick W. Zero (in the under-65 category) times three is still zero. :-) However, it does help that most of WOR's listeners are too old to=20 hear how poor they sound compared to all the other AM stations on the=20 dial. But alas, that's the downfall of HDTV and HD Radio: what good=20 is it if your cataracts and hearing aids restrict your sight and=20 hearing to "low-definiton" levels anyway? From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 07 17:00:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46943 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 01:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 01:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 01:00:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 01:00:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 01:00:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 01:00:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.149.215.139 From: "Jeff" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=98OYgSuSoeavk9oalj2mI3ASApl_mUjFnlrb2-kHc6Saudn_eoFlGO-RSwI_4JiT4ig X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 Let's be careful what we say, or Tom might do the Gunnery Sergeant=20 Hartman thing, as in the movie "Full Metal Jacket", threaten to=20 unscrew someone's head and s--t down their neck. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > Yes, I understand WOR's ratings tripled after they added IBOC. > > Dick W. >=20 > Zero (in the under-65 category) times three is still zero. :-) >=20 > However, it does help that most of WOR's listeners are too old to=20 > hear how poor they sound compared to all the other AM stations on=20 the=20 > dial. But alas, that's the downfall of HDTV and HD Radio: what good=20 > is it if your cataracts and hearing aids restrict your sight and=20 > hearing to "low-definiton" levels anyway? > From tomray@wor710.com Sat Jan 07 17:46:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60312 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 01:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 01:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 01:46:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 01:45:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 01:45:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 01:45:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=rnE6JczRGoNptVUm5obnwmsq4JVd3QFn7NoIhGr-hxMdNpGi X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" wrote: > > Let's be careful what we say, or Tom might do the Gunnery Sergeant=20 > Hartman thing, as in the movie "Full Metal Jacket", threaten to=20 > unscrew someone's head and s--t down their neck. --- No, no. I prefer to simply rip the head off. Faster results :-) TR From tomray@wor710.com Sat Jan 07 17:46:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66779 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 01:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 01:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 01:46:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 01:45:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 01:45:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 01:45:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=NiVCd4VU_XUKWICE1iFTBRUuDJJOdsv6mfq9KC76xgZb3z_Z X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > Yes, I understand WOR's ratings tripled after they added IBOC. > > Dick W. >=20 > Zero (in the under-65 category) times three is still zero. :-) >=20 > However, it does help that most of WOR's listeners are too old to=20 > hear how poor they sound compared to all the other AM stations on the=20 > dial. But alas, that's the downfall of HDTV and HD Radio: what good=20 > is it if your cataracts and hearing aids restrict your sight and=20 > hearing to "low-definiton" levels anyway? > Now look, just because we have the Trinity Church cemetery next door to us so we can keep tabs on our listeners is no reason to say that :-) Is there a problem with HD cataracts? TR From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Jan 07 18:14:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13688 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 02:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 02:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm43.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 02:14:03 -0000 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.65]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k082E4an010939 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 21:14:04 -0500 X-ORBL: [66.72.65.47] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-66-72-65-47.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [66.72.65.47]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k082E1nj253892 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 21:14:01 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c613f9$3148d900$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 21:14:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0601-3, 01/06/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=iLXxY4f9-rXtFlqhjJuqCrt5tcfuAa4UiQ9itGjrC_tCniY X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > And to say what Tom isn't directly saying, it's the MONEY. If a > station makes enough money, then ratings don't matter. > > Many FM stations are quite successful with ratings near or below 2.1 > 12+. Yes, I'll bet there are lots of stations with a 2.1 12+ making money. But what he isn't saying is that WOR DOES have a target demo, and they are superserving that demo. They are NOT about promoting radio, they are about promoting WOR, serving their demo and making money. I didn't make the original statement about WOR's poor showing 12+ in this thread (this time). I merely pointed out how silly his comment saying, "it's about keeping listeners interested in radio...PERIOD" was. -Jim- From w6yn@juno.com Sat Jan 07 18:46:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8032 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 02:46:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 02:46:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 02:46:48 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB6A9HWACZF3QA for (sender ); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:46:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LD6MKHPF; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 18:46:10 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:24:32 -0800 Message-ID: <20060107.184506.3424.0.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-11 X-ContentStamp: 3:5:409709984 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLDdTsGyVedFecwG1FCIm01c= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=nk5DY0Qf4y01HLOG46KUGTdMTwWT9Um4gblHk9SWTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn What does WLIB pull in the latest Arbitron book? Don On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 01:58:34 -0500 "Possum Hunter" writes: > > Hmmm OK, WOR is the Number 18 station (Number 5 AM) in New York > pulling a 2.3 share in the latest Arbitron book. > > WINS-AM is pulling a 4.1, WABC is pulling a 3.7, WCBS-AM is pulling > a 2.9, and WFAN is pulling a 2.5 > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 07 19:12:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54288 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 03:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 03:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 03:12:32 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EvQy5-0003YM-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:11:41 -0500 Message-ID: <011101c61401$3e075ab0$6805a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060107.184506.3424.0.w6yn@juno.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:11:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: WLIB Ratings Was: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=BhAR6F0-pJuI3ikk2OBP0ItmYfFrf7jbttUNRU7l4rm55qZYQHSojsyEKAiSEA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 W6YN Don Milbury wrote"" > What does WLIB pull in the latest Arbitron book? They are number 24 with a 1.3 share. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Sat Jan 07 19:24:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14298 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 03:24:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 03:24:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.223) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 03:24:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 03:23:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 03:23:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 03:23:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 03:23:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.167.105.2 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1777 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=JYnmGzuvefdR9Smn37PBbHhcPlXXopLYbTMU_gB72bv2PhTSAoYWrw X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > > >=20 > You probably should get used to it....it's not going away any time > soon. And we are expecting nighttime authorization once the FCC gets > their EAS issues for HD out of the way. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > So are you saying this because you have some kind of inside info about the = FCC approving=20 IBOC for nighttime AM or is it just wishful thinking? As far as anyone knows, the FCC is still fact-gathering this issue. There'= s still a chance=20 that IBOC will not be approved for nighttime AM. db From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 07 19:32:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62983 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 03:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 03:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 03:32:22 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EvRI5-0006NI-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:32:21 -0500 Message-ID: <011801c61404$211496e0$6805a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:32:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=SEhbSs5o7YzTvW4WA55TEf5GGEoBlsDPDjB6B7cZ9QY996qir-uBMfmDFtaIVA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > It's not about ratings, and it's about time you people understood that. > It's about keeping listeners interested in radio...PERIOD. That is the big > picture. ROFLMAO! Tell that one to the GSM over at WLTW-FM, the Number 1 station in the New York market with a 6.5 share! The fact is if your station is indeed keeping listeners interested in radio, it is because they are listening to your station. If they are listening to your station, you will have the Arbitron ratings to show for it! > > A station is not necessarily successful if they come in #1 in the > ratings....and there are many, many ways to interpret the ratings. You never see stations with good ratings (Batter than a 3 share) flip-flopping formats, unless they have an idiot like Joel Hollander running them! WCBS-FM sure nose dived into Hell when they switched to "Jack". I am sure WXRK's new "Free Radio" format will land them right next to WQEW's market share. > > The ratings you keep referring to are all persons, 12+. Get the > full picture and learn how to read a ratings book. BTDT, Tom. The Ad agencies buy off of the 12+ numbers. If what you are saying is true, WOR's rate card should be the same as WLTW's rate card. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 07 19:42:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78468 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 03:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 03:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 03:42:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 03:41:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 03:41:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 03:41:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.251.226 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1777 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=O1cVW4xFj2fYCpmFw3XoBlT5FILXstgAVYdZQ-WV4g0aqEXaYA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > As far as anyone knows, the FCC is still fact-gathering this issue. > There's still a chance that IBOC will not be approved for nighttime > AM. And keep in mind that FCC approval does not equal success. The=20 Edsel-esque CBS "spinning disc" method was once the FCC-approved=20 system for color TV. However, once it became clear that the CBS=20 system was inherently flawed and was going nowhere in the=20 marketplace, the FCC rescinded their approval, and the NTSC developed=20 what has now been the standard for color TV for over half a century. Actually, the FCC gave conditional approval to the CBS system -- it=20 was contingent upon getting enough stations on the air and receivers=20 in the marketplace within a certain amount of time. CBS did not meet=20 that objective, so the FCC pulled the plug. Had the FCC placed these=20 same kind of conditions upon its approval of HD Radio, then=20 iBiquity's system would have been dead a long time ago. In the Fall=20 of 2002, iBiquity pressured the FCC to grant full approval, as they=20 felt it was imperative for a successful marketplace introduction at=20 the January 2003 CES. Now, three years later, IBOC receivers are=20 *finally* starting to trickle into the marketplace, ever so slowly=20 (and expensively!). From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 07 19:45:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70387 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 03:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 03:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 03:45:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 03:45:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 03:45:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 03:45:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c613f9$3148d900$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.26.161 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=vHb_xL3JiQEegURJw513YH5aHXGgR3nOOy5hVsuX_en1klQE X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie If WOR's demograsphics are in the 65+ range (or even 45+), it should be=20 obvious that the people in these demographics tend to be the most=20 hesitant about new technologies, or even if they DO use them, not=20 always adept at dealing with them. (And I do stress TEND TO BE-- There=20 are "senior citizens" who can out-tech teens and college kids even in=20 their sleep. :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 07 19:47:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 670 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 03:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 03:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 03:47:16 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EvRS2-0007d0-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:42:38 -0500 Message-ID: <012001c61405$90d889e0$6805a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <00ad01c613a1$290629d0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:42:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=7finyfg1EE-rASXWD6LWhSNo6TklhOIMn9BXrJBpbGeGJzgfjrenOJF113dIHw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Burgan wrote: > It's always the 15th ranked radio station that says "it's not about ratings". > If you have ever been fired because of a bad book, it IS about ratings. > When the GSM wants to know how he's supposed to sell a 4th place station, it IS about ratings. > You live by the book and you die by the book. That's the Golden Rule of radio. Ain't that thre truth! I was THERE when ABS Communications blew out WAIM 1230's Country format due to bad ratings. They fired everybody including the poor Janitor! You can bet if WGVC-FM's Oldies format had good ratings, Entercom wouldn't have blown it out and replaced it with a Bible Thumper format! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 07 20:01:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81159 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 04:01:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 04:01:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 04:01:53 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EvRh0-0001hP-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:58:06 -0500 Message-ID: <012801c61407$ba162d60$6805a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:58:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Vlw5e09ajfqz-x6Y-C_jyr8kRUcjHgmrdmHTDjDFpz1NpE-rDocPVfTyHGXeHA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Ray wrote: > [TR] And an AM Stereo signal out of that parking lot is going to sound decent? From the reports I have heard, WNMB's C-QUAM signal doesn't sound too bad, even out to the fringe. I will have to take a little drive up to North Myrtle Beach the next time I am in South Carolina and give it a listen. > > Doubtful. Once again, before making blanket statements, maybe you should go get an HD equipped radio and check out digital coverage. You might be surprised. While I was working in Tampa, I did take a couple of HD equipped high end motorhomes out on test drives. The Tampa HD stations sounded like sh*t and the Orlando HD Stations would only come in on Analog. > >I highly doubt WOR will be going Spanish any time soon. You never know... After all, WSKQ-FM always pulls a healthy 4.5 or better! > >And on a typical AM radio, there is no digital noise in WOR's audio. Maybe before making a statement like this, you should listen to an HD station on a typical radio the typical listener is using...and it's not a GE SuperRadio. I did listen to the WOR / WLW night-time "hash-fest" on a the factory installed radio in a Toyota Tacoma. You can also hear it in my Sony AM-FM-CD in the dash of my car, as well as the factory Philco radio in my old 1976 Ford Econoline Van! The Delco radio in my GF's Lumina APV sounds like it is getting severe multipath interference when tuned to a FM broadcasting in HD. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sat Jan 07 20:27:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89386 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 04:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 04:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 04:27:16 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB6BFCPAJ7CQ8J for (sender ); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:25:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LD6S8EGZ; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:24:57 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:24:15 -0800 Message-ID: <20060107.202416.3424.8.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6,8-13 X-ContentStamp: 3:5:462244685 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLDn+wqGaaTIWdtB9e8ML5mU= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLIB Ratings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=zTaYttdFZ-sgBCo0SBSAjlPvo2553T_h1sDjwUXEUg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Air America Radio is in 24th place in New York City. WLIB has a 1.3 share! In New York City! They did better programming "Caribbean music." Don On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:11:38 -0500 "Possum Hunter" writes: > W6YN Don Milbury wrote"" > > What does WLIB pull in the latest Arbitron book? > > They are number 24 with a 1.3 share. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 07 20:35:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35375 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 04:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 04:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 04:35:13 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EvSGu-0006eI-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 23:35:12 -0500 Message-ID: <015201c6140c$e8ec2130$6805a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:35:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=548BFtrbE4wDPhC6_npmVzi0xJohFDvABXyhl022kNAoIWbgXarVKgcBcFePmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > He said, "I appreciate the fact that you're interested in doing the best > job possible, but why the hell would you want to listen to the AM when we > run the same thing on the FM??" This was in the mid 1970's. I can answer that one! Until the original Optimod 8000 landed in the racks of the FM stations, most FMs sounded tinny and lifeless on the average radio. On the other hand, on a decent AM radio, like the 5-tube Arvin wooden table radio on Grandma's kitchen counter, a good AM with a good Plate Modulated transmitter such as a RCA BTA1R had a nice crisp but silky smooth sound. WCRS sure did sound SWEET on Grandpa's 9-tube Atwater-Kent console radio! When I was a kid, I used to sneak and listen to the "Border Blasters" as well as WABC, WLS, WLAC, and WWL all night long on my 5 Tube Silvertone using the bed springs as an antenna. Even today, AM and SW radio has "magic" than FM or sattelite just cannot match. I got my GF's 11 year old boy hooked on International Shortwave. He thinks Radio Canada International is the kewlest station there is. He also loves Radio Australia. I gave him his very own Grundig YB400-PE. I don't think the TV in his room has been on since he got that radio! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 07 20:36:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12408 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 04:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 04:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 04:36:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 04:36:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 04:36:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 04:36:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012801c61407$ba162d60$6805a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.26.161 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=pXg3VNlsaWAwkOr7jhtCpkwNnoYqOMiKrPHuaiwYcg_NNpIT X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > Tom Ray wrote: > > [TR] And an AM Stereo signal out of that parking lot is going to=20 sound decent? >=20 > From the reports I have heard, WNMB's C-QUAM signal doesn't sound too=20 bad, even out to the fringe. I will have to take a little drive up to=20 North Myrtle Beach the next time I am in South Carolina and give it a=20 listen. Now, if we catch you shagging on the beach to WNMB's infections=20 sounds... :D Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 07 20:51:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63644 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 04:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 04:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 04:51:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 04:50:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 04:50:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 04:50:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <015201c6140c$e8ec2130$6805a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.26.161 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=WkIVinNRt4Ss-KcDfLmv7kiFgCHlvGd8P8tE--V7rsJZK0O- X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > Even today, AM and SW radio has "magic" than FM or sattelite just=20 cannot=20 > match. I got my GF's 11 year old boy hooked on International=20 Shortwave. He=20 > thinks Radio Canada International is the kewlest station there is.=20 He also=20 > loves Radio Australia. I gave him his very own Grundig YB400-PE. I=20 don't=20 > think the TV in his room has been on since he got that radio! Killer! :D Radio Australia's always interesting, and you should still=20 be able to get the BBC's Caribbean beam from Sackville... Aside from=20 the American bibvlethumpers and *gack!* VOA, there are still alot of=20 good SW stations... Radio Netherlands could just as welkl be "The=20 Voice of Europe", though, but at least their programming isn't dull-=20 Unlike Deutche Welle, sadly. Glad your GF's kid is discovering the=20 world through the magic of shortwave! :) Hmmm- Does the YB have SSB?=20 If so, get him to listen to the hams at night, especially in 20m and=20 80m. :) If not, he could tune into the "AM Window" on 80, listening=20 to the hams on their old Collins boatanchors! :D The internet, yes, is good for globetrotting radio.... But it just=20 doesn't have that "magic" of listening to distant stations out of=20 thin air from across the globe, like the transoceanic DX in winter on=20 LW and AM. There is just no experience like it. And even better when it's stereo- Like listening to Canada 800 miles=20 away in glorious AM stereo. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 07 20:54:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87466 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 04:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 04:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 04:54:50 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EvSZt-0001MQ-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 23:54:49 -0500 Message-ID: <016d01c6140f$a64c21b0$6805a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060107.202416.3424.8.w6yn@juno.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:54:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLIB Ratings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=DPswBRIZSmKp_du9ZcRhuNL5bCblU6QUHdrLUIIUF_VoCSxHu5EyCpgP0VaRLg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Air America Radio is in 24th place in New York City. WLIB has a 1.3 share! Air America's flagship station WCKY is number 18 with a 1.2 share in Cincinnati, OH. Air America's days are numbered. Clear Channel "Screwed the Pooch" when they took the Nostalgia / Big Band format off of 1530. > > In New York City! They did better programming "Caribbean music." Inner City deserves the bad "Radio Karma" they are getting for raping 1190 WOWO! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Jan 07 21:09:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87540 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 05:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 05:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao06.cox.net) (68.230.241.33) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 05:09:56 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060108050715.RKCO20050.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:07:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: <011801c61404$211496e0$6805a8c0@PossumHunter> References: <011801c61404$211496e0$6805a8c0@PossumHunter> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <52AA5C94-5FE7-4C56-AC15-9A252FE328F4@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 21:09:44 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=zXiY91J7A6wqRYe611YtSJ7EPFhxj-VYIDRj7-dNAz7YpRfqnzLHBA-nlzz5 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner On Jan 7, 2006, at 7:32 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > You never see stations with good ratings (Batter than a 3 share) > flip-flopping formats, unless they have an idiot like Joel > Hollander running > them! WCBS-FM sure nose dived into Hell when they switched to > "Jack". I am > sure WXRK's new "Free Radio" format will land them right next to > WQEW's > market share. Yes, they were run by idiots, but KFRC did it TWICE in San Francisco ... first when they were top-40 and Walter "I can screw up any station" Sabo brought in game shows for 9 am to 3 pm, then when they were standards (Magic 61) and they changed to oldies even though they were in the top 3 or so in the city because they skewed too old. > BTDT, Tom. The Ad agencies buy off of the 12+ numbers. If what you are > saying is true, WOR's rate card should be the same as WLTW's rate > card. The ad agencies usually do not buy off of 12+. Richard Wagoner From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Jan 07 21:35:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7797 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 05:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 05:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 05:35:48 -0000 Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.218]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k085Zkri010536 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:35:46 -0500 X-ORBL: [66.72.65.47] Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-66-72-65-47.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [66.72.65.47]) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k085ZhUR034532 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:35:47 -0500 Message-ID: <004e01c61415$60d41ba0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20060107.202416.3424.8.w6yn@juno.com> <016d01c6140f$a64c21b0$6805a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:35:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0601-3, 01/06/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLIB Ratings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=eDqnMUGfSsFAMZ_Eh6YtGSoSkq9BrnfRQ6FlCrrKU-ljPE8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Inner City deserves the bad "Radio Karma" they are getting for raping 1190 > WOWO! Don't get me started on WOWO again. The sad part is, WLIB could have obtained a decent nighttime signal without raping Indiana of it's only Class A (actually it was a 1B Clear Channel) station. New York is not the center of the universe. The only thing I can say in WLIB's defense was that the USA doesn't really need another 50KW station broadcasting Rush & Dr Laura reruns or Michael Savage or Coast-To-Coast with Whoever. It's easier to remember what WOWO used to be than to think of how it is today. -Jim- From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 07 21:44:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63303 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 05:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 05:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 05:44:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 05:42:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 05:42:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 05:42:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52AA5C94-5FE7-4C56-AC15-9A252FE328F4@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.26.161 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=y3vEZGFrP7E_6jqr6R8vKnEKtVRraGlNQAybN4VRj4pon8wp X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: >=20 > Yes, they were run by idiots, but KFRC did it TWICE in San=20=20 > Francisco ... first when they were top-40 and Walter "I can screw up=20=20 > any station" Sabo brought in game shows for 9 am to 3 pm, then when=20=20 > they were standards (Magic 61) and they changed to oldies even=20 though=20=20 > they were in the top 3 or so in the city because they skewed too old. Gaaah, SABO!! :P May he be cursed in Hell! Ruined one of THE great=20 stations! :( Don Rose TRIED to stay with KFRC after the change to the=20 new format, but after a couple years, got fed up, and left for=20 retirement. And his recent passing greatly saddened me, since Rose=20 greatly influenced my passion for radio and musiuc...and humour. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Jan 07 21:57:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76534 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 05:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 05:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccmmhc91.asp.att.net) (204.127.203.211) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 05:57:20 -0000 Received: from your75ojnaappr (12-218-229-173.client.mchsi.com[12.218.229.173]) by sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91) with SMTP id <20060108055703m91003f6oce>; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 05:57:04 +0000 Message-ID: <002c01c61418$58455ff0$ade5da0c@your75ojnaappr> To: References: <20060107.202416.3424.8.w6yn@juno.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:57:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0601-3, 01/06/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 204.127.203.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John / Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLIB Ratings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=JkJVZiaSsF6ltahAjOQJwM9sDgFIbiil_Obd8ErRMKI51I8 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Air America Radio is in 24th place in New York City. WLIB has a 1.3 share! In New York City! They did better programming "Caribbean music." Don And what is your point...and how does this involve AM stereo ??????????????? Stick to the subject please.... Juan Gualda Mason City, IA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 07 22:09:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14201 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 06:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 06:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 06:09:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 06:09:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 06:09:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 06:09:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002c01c61418$58455ff0$ade5da0c@your75ojnaappr> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.26.161 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLIB Ratings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=ndUA214gqUM86zP_-ErVwnvGN76-Jp4pUisP6r7a8ptQVHen X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John / Juan Gualda"=20 wrote: > >=20 > Air America Radio is in 24th place in New York City. WLIB has a=20 1.3 > share! >=20 > In New York City! They did better programming "Caribbean music." >=20 > Don=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > And what is your point...and how does this involve AM=20 stereo ??????????????? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Stick to the subject please.... WLIB is former AMSer WWRL. Amy. <:3 )~~9~ From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Jan 08 00:15:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83450 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 08:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 08:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 08:15:40 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.29] (pool-70-111-222-223.nwrk.east.verizon.net [70.111.222.223]) by smtp.skyweb.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k088DMR8036049 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:13:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <43C0C9E0.3090806@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 03:14:24 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: REALITY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=j_4A7jOoNMeIwFOiwNx-y6exWHRgN3A-Pzg0nQo7ftdxkA X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Broadcast Electronics still builds and Sells C-Quam AM stereo Exciters for their transmitters I had inquired about one last week... However it wont suit my needs in order to switch between CQuam and IBOC I wwould have to manually insert and remove the Stereo board from the Frame to switch between modes.... we are working on a way to use my Harris Exciter with the new BE transmitter Amy Mousie wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" >wrote: > > > >>If we would decide to go C-QUAM we would have a very hard time >> >> >finding a serviceable exciter. No one is building these things new >anymore and finding parts for an existing used model would be difficult >to damn near imposable > >Um, yeah... OK.... While Motorola and Delta aren't making any new ones, >Harris and Nautel still are, as well as one or two Japanese TX >manufacturers. And I know BE is still servicing their's. And there are >others will WILL service C-QUAM equipment. (WNMB, if you recall, just >had their equipment taken care of.) > >C-QUAM ain't dead, yet. > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bossmsx@gmail.com Sun Jan 08 04:59:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31572 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 12:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 12:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 12:59:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 12:56:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 12:56:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 12:56:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 12:56:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.196.68.85 From: "Anthony" Subject: HD-2/AM Stereo status in NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=225799755; y=guhOPttPjV3Wfdz25m_q_sivpepHxydhx8b9L1nyZG_nnC8cx5qJ X-Yahoo-Profile: radiosanchez Sorry for getting a bit OT, but this seems to be the only place to discuss this. What is the status of "HD-2" broadcasts in the NYC area?? Seems WCBS-FM is broadcasting their old Oldies format on their "HD-2"....Anyone else broadcasting anything on their "HD-2"?? I may be going there and plan on taking my Recepter..Also want to know if there are any "HD-2" "simulcasts"...Clear Channel is simulcasting their main program on the HD-2 of alot of their stations here in Miami, apparently using different bitrates to see what they can get away with...Beasley seems to use more or less the same on 1 and 2, while CC's Y-100 looks like they're doing 64/32. Also would like to know if NYC has any AM Stereo left..I see 1660 listed, are they pilot only, or full on AMS??? Can I receive anything else via DX from there? Tony/Miami From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sun Jan 08 06:10:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11130 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 14:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 14:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 14:10:07 -0000 Received: from [4.247.127.30] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EvbFC-0001wB-Li for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:10:03 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006108141015906@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.108.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:10:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc3c0f9ae8c5b574eca2257c3794350926350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=OYleaTTrN1mdIZRNEoyLg9ejgnlCUE8SeQ3cC7kMVrAOCQ I am sure that WOR's target 65+ audience, if they have even heard of IBOC at all, think that it is one of the new drug plans covered by Medicare Part D. Regardless of IBOC's technical merit or shortcomings, the bottom line for IBOC is that there still are virtually no affordable desktop receivers and no public recognition of it - the same issues that plagued C-Quam. The fact that it is being made available in vehicle radios means little - the same was also true with C-Quam. In the conscienceness of the public, IBOC is a non-issue. In the meantime, the lowered frequency response that is being transmitted on IBOC stations' analog signals will probably further reduce their listenership. When older people suffer a loss in hearing, it occurs initially in the higher frequencies. This may well make the IBOC stations' analog signals sound more muffled to their 65+ audience. My guess is that if these older listeners encounter a muffled signal, they're going to change stations (and maybe change to fm). Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Amy Mousie > To: > Date: 1/7/2006 10:45:52 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. > > If WOR's demograsphics are in the 65+ range (or even 45+), it should be > obvious that the people in these demographics tend to be the most > hesitant about new technologies, or even if they DO use them, not > always adept at dealing with them. (And I do stress TEND TO BE-- There > are "senior citizens" who can out-tech teens and college kids even in > their sleep. :) ) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Jan 08 06:58:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28663 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 14:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 14:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 14:58:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 14:58:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 14:58:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:58:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.43.90 From: "Dave" Subject: Amax promo on WNMB ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=h4cID8tOweyZGm7ls-sw09XRrU6haowR5ieqhBgbma0NIXRALA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan How long has this been runing ? Wow this is anoraky !!! (Britsh term=20 for very keen, enthusiastic etc) Great stuff :-) From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Jan 08 07:28:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63897 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 15:28:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 15:28:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 15:28:49 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EvcTK-0005gC-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:28:42 -0500 Message-ID: <006001c61468$339dc610$6805a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:28:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLIB Ratings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=VukjePEghe6g2Or3pUiFmhbpGEZZu9QFVnTP2lvGh98brp-HYDesEYGM2bvoOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > WLIB is former AMSer WWRL. Actually, WLIB is on 1190. That is the station that took over, raped, pillaged, and plundered WOWO and left it for dead in order to get a night time signal. http://www.wlib.com/ WWRL is on 1600 They used to be the best C-QUAM station I have ever heard, but now are using KAHN PowerSide in mono. http://www.wwrl1600.com/ Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From badeditpro@charter.net Sun Jan 08 10:02:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51095 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 18:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 18:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf04.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.204) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 18:02:20 -0000 Received: from mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.133]) by mxsf04.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k08I2Jnx025086 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:02:19 -0500 Received: from 66-190-195-204.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([66.190.195.204]) by mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 08 Jan 2006 13:02:19 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,343,1131339600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1838652460:sNHT23553554" Message-ID: <001c01c6147d$aa375ba0$ccc3be42@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:02:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: RE: RE's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=Nb3qbRQM1TYc3_BNRcExRGIGzbyvxXnoQAK2yHDxKx9OeqLR55Sa6e0l5-c2 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Inner City deserves the bad "Radio Karma" they are getting for raping 1190 WOWO!" Amen, brother! Tom, Thanks for the heads up about the Orban 9400 and the Omnia 5. We have Omnia 3's on both AM's with an Aphex Compeller in front of the STL just to give a little overload protection. I plan on calling Delta on tomorrow to find out more about their C-QUAM exciters. :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Jan 08 11:34:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74386 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 19:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 19:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao08.cox.net) (68.230.241.31) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 19:34:15 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.4.103.103]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060108193215.MRYX26964.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:32:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: <380-22006108141015906@earthlink.net> References: <380-22006108141015906@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:34:13 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=0bFfxoHVunQr06uksjl6dihtehHBrFqYPX6grCAw1IdiPJHCUv9bhGYMA-EH X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner First off, WOR's demographics are not 65+. Even if they were, I'm getting a bit tired of people putting down older people. I know many 65+ people who would put most of us to shame in what they do and the technologies they know, understand and use. My dad helped invent some of the recent technologies ... back in the 1960s. If he were still alive he'd be close to 80. There is no reason to be insulting anyone, including Tom and his station. Obviously WOR makes money, otherwise they would not be able to afford IBOC equipment and a fulltime engineer who takes his time to explain what he does and what he thinks. As to the idea that frequency response limits have lowered listenership, where is the proof? I haven't seen it in Los Angeles. The unfortunate fact is, most radios DO suck, and most listeners CAN'T tell a difference. Many, many AM stations changed from music to talk in the early days of AM stereo, so obviously AM stereo didn't help the likes of KFI, KHJ, KEZY, KGB, etc. etc. etc. Will IBOC help reverse AM's decline? I have doubts, but part of that has to do with interference and part of it has to do with FM multicasting. If FM can multicast, then what is the reason for AM at all? Am AM owner can just lease space on a 2nd or 3rd channel of an FM station. Personally I think what will doom IBOC is that there is not a plan to quickly turn off analog, or to have the 2nd channel play something else other than the main carrier programming. THe interference, while annoying to us, has not been an issue to anyone else. I have yet to receive even ONE letter from my readers commenting on IBOC hash. Richard Wagoner On Jan 8, 2006, at 6:10 AM, Dick W wrote: > I am sure that WOR's target 65+ audience, if they have even heard > of IBOC > at all, think that it is one of the new drug plans covered by > Medicare Part > D. Regardless of IBOC's technical merit or shortcomings, the > bottom line > for IBOC is that there still are virtually no affordable desktop > receivers > and no public recognition of it - the same issues that plagued C- > Quam. The > fact that it is being made available in vehicle radios means little > - the > same was also true with C-Quam. > > In the conscienceness of the public, IBOC is a non-issue. In the > meantime, > the lowered frequency response that is being transmitted on IBOC > stations' > analog signals will probably further reduce their listenership. > When older > people suffer a loss in hearing, it occurs initially in the higher > frequencies. This may well make the IBOC stations' analog signals > sound > more muffled to their 65+ audience. My guess is that if these older > listeners encounter a muffled signal, they're going to change > stations (and > maybe change to fm). > Dick W. > > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 08 11:59:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85175 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 19:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 19:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 19:59:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 19:59:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 19:59:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 19:59:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006001c61468$339dc610$6805a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.19.117 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLIB Ratings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=5Qvd8ej-KxZbqLJZAsyobzYdZ4eG9chKd0AYHFte3bne4g-a X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > Amy Mousie wrote: > > WLIB is former AMSer WWRL. >=20 > Actually, WLIB is on 1190. That is the station that took over, raped,=20 > pillaged, and plundered WOWO and left it for dead in order to get a=20 night=20 > time signal. http://www.wlib.com/ >=20 > WWRL is on 1600 They used to be the best C-QUAM station I have ever=20 heard,=20 > but now are using KAHN PowerSide in mono. http://www.wwrl1600.com/ I stand corrected. That's what I get for being a west coast squeekie. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sun Jan 08 13:14:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49552 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 21:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 21:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 21:14:39 -0000 Received: from [4.247.120.91] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EvhrI-0005mJ-LY for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 16:13:49 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006108211348856@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.108.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:13:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc0d2b2835cef2ea1dba7f03b6c3294c4c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=uebtfB8-N7FOCe7CFeHQAUys_giNfO_nKRBeoNc2aLyJhw If my remarks appeared to be insulting to Tom or to older people, then I certainly apologize. I think we all agree that Tom contributes a lot to this group, as do people of all ages. And being as I am 65 myself, I don't want to be derogatory to older people or anyone else - Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Richard Wagoner > To: > Date: 1/8/2006 2:34:23 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. > > First off, WOR's demographics are not 65+. Even if they were, I'm > getting a bit tired of people putting down older people. I know many > 65+ people who would put most of us to shame in what they do and the > technologies they know, understand and use. My dad helped invent some > of the recent technologies ... back in the 1960s. If he were still > alive he'd be close to 80. > > There is no reason to be insulting anyone, including Tom and his > station. Obviously WOR makes money, otherwise they would not be able > to afford IBOC equipment and a fulltime engineer who takes his time > to explain what he does and what he thinks. > > As to the idea that frequency response limits have lowered > listenership, where is the proof? I haven't seen it in Los Angeles. > The unfortunate fact is, most radios DO suck, and most listeners > CAN'T tell a difference. Many, many AM stations changed from music to > talk in the early days of AM stereo, so obviously AM stereo didn't > help the likes of KFI, KHJ, KEZY, KGB, etc. etc. etc. > > Will IBOC help reverse AM's decline? I have doubts, but part of that > has to do with interference and part of it has to do with FM > multicasting. If FM can multicast, then what is the reason for AM at > all? Am AM owner can just lease space on a 2nd or 3rd channel of an > FM station. > > Personally I think what will doom IBOC is that there is not a plan to > quickly turn off analog, or to have the 2nd channel play something > else other than the main carrier programming. THe interference, while > annoying to us, has not been an issue to anyone else. I have yet to > receive even ONE letter from my readers commenting on IBOC hash. > > Richard Wagoner > > On Jan 8, 2006, at 6:10 AM, Dick W wrote: > > > I am sure that WOR's target 65+ audience, if they have even heard > > of IBOC > > at all, think that it is one of the new drug plans covered by > > Medicare Part > > D. Regardless of IBOC's technical merit or shortcomings, the > > bottom line > > for IBOC is that there still are virtually no affordable desktop > > receivers > > and no public recognition of it - the same issues that plagued C- > > Quam. The > > fact that it is being made available in vehicle radios means little > > - the > > same was also true with C-Quam. > > > > In the conscienceness of the public, IBOC is a non-issue. In the > > meantime, > > the lowered frequency response that is being transmitted on IBOC > > stations' > > analog signals will probably further reduce their listenership. > > When older > > people suffer a loss in hearing, it occurs initially in the higher > > frequencies. This may well make the IBOC stations' analog signals > > sound > > more muffled to their 65+ audience. My guess is that if these older > > listeners encounter a muffled signal, they're going to change > > stations (and > > maybe change to fm). > > Dick W. > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 08 14:00:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57285 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 22:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 22:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 22:00:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 22:00:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2006 22:00:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:00:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <380-22006108211348856@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.19.117 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=CGEoKZdg3t5i5DDnyggg2r2k1zX1lOzMNsz_1wQs1SnYpTSa X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > If my remarks appeared to be insulting to Tom or to older people,=20 then I > certainly apologize. I think we all agree that Tom contributes a=20 lot to > this group, as do people of all ages. And being as I am 65 myself,=20 I don't > want to be derogatory to older people or anyone else - My own comments were also not meant to be deroggatory, either, but=20 based on fact and experience. Yes, there ARE over-65s that can, and=20 do, excel in technology...but sadly, there are many more not so adept=20 in even programming a VCR. That's just reality. My own mind may=20 become unable to grasp mid-21st Century technology when quantum=20 electronics become reality, but then again, I may be lucky and "tuned=20 in", amazing the neighbourhood kids with all the gee-whiz stuff out=20 there then- Who knows? Most people don't grasp technology- They get used to it if it was a=20 part of their lives to begin with. It's what they grow up with. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Jan 08 14:28:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84746 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 22:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 22:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.205.136) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 22:28:54 -0000 Received: from storefull-3336.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249]) by smtpout-3201.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 219DED6FB; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:27:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-3336.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id OAA01714; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:27:07 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRLC7YoalEJVjvgoaGm9pNWMZf0RwIVAILBuQ2Bu9usYXYdB0gi2gBvDwlb Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:27:07 -0600 To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: ABDX@topica.com, amstereo@smartgroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, stodd@mpcinternet.net Message-ID: <23070-43C191BB-2608@storefull-3336.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: oldphones@webtv.net's message of Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:37:56 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Originating-IP: 209.240.205.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net Subject: Re: [ABDX] KOIL 1020 Format Change 1020//1180 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783; y=KPOeCqZgxf-s-Sh_QJnL8OH41biXMtL9tM-skE9S8XO-vDU2ZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of the things I was waiting to see is / was the fate of 'The Polka Show" aired on KOTD now KOIL 1020 for many years. My family's Hardware Store is one of South Omaha's oldest exsisting business ( Since 1894 ) and a loyal sponsor of "The Polka Show". KOIL's recent decision to switch to the Radio Disney format is TOTALLY un - compatible with ethnic programming , and Radio Disney is a total WASTE of a 50,000 watt daytime signal. IMHO. Radio Disney's business model doesn't require much (or any) local advertising, or local studio, sales staff to be successful. A sat receiver, computer , and transmitter does it all. Fortunately, Salem's new News -Talk station 1420 KOTK happily took over airing of "The Polka Show " Including P & M Hardware's advertisements... as well as other South Omaha businesses --> Where their is a significant Polish, Czech, German, etc... population. We put our advertising where it get results....not excuses. KOIL's loss is KOTK's Gain. ONLY if the old advertiser's of a station ( like KOIL) that abruptly switches formats REVOLTS, and the old station loses many former clients, WILL they get a Loud, and clear message... They sure don't give a hoot about the former listeners.... Bill Snyder - Ralston // South Omaha, NE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jan 08 15:23:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+b2D6+16+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73725 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 23:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 23:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 23:23:58 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.42]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 43740407 for ; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:23:56 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c614ab$5bf0aae0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <1136367951.675.29848.m17@yahoogroups.com> <43BCF859.6020906@netzero.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:29:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 2, in=4, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.42 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A missed AM Stereo Station.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=XcgJC8JEobIc48qpgBZaFHLnwZqlL1Ut8ySysk6C95IgwBI-8ppH X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Great work, OM! I had heard that station was either pilot only or had turned it off. Good to know there's one back in the ranks. Now if we could get some going around where I live. Last I was in GA was back in Sept. 99 shortly after that hurricane blew through. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Alsobrook" > I just repaired an AM stereo station WPLO 610 in Lawerenceville Ga, I > haven't seen it on any of the lists.. But this on is stereo and has been > stereo for quite some time. BE exciter into a SX 2.5 TX. Format is Radio > Mexico. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jan 08 15:28:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+b2D6+16+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68457 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 23:28:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 23:28:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 23:28:14 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.42]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 43818485 for ; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:26:24 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c614ab$b4663c80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <1136542396.135.61034.m17@yahoogroups.com> <43BE5491.8010309@netzero.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:31:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 11, in=10, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.42 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A missed AM Stereo Station.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=XDXw93QSw8Gf5P9_HsQKoMsSOAmVeVsumOyDUx8Xg4lVc5RI1xuh X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude So if this 590 were ever forced to go IBOC, they may as well turn in the license. Wonder how many other stations are irremedial? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Alsobrook" > I worked for the original WPLO 590 for 4 years and helped put in cquam > on it back in early 84. Unfortunately when the station was sold and > moved an engineering error, where the new towers where put up in the > wrong place (surveying error) and the corrections to the directional > pattern caused the cquam to not work, so it was pulled off. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jan 08 15:57:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+b2D6+16+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88290 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 23:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2006 23:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 23:57:20 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.42]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 43748920 for ; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:57:18 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <009601c614b0$05708e60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:02:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=5, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.42 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=WeK-hFWgOCWQUlFs93EW5N4iKs9p2Arz4hSWg-HWf6j-W4lCwBMq X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude One thing you failed to mention, Tom, is that in the luxury of the NYC market there are a lot of stations with little more than an asterisk in the ratings column that are doing fairly well for themselves. A .1 in a top 10 market is a whole lot different than in Des Moines. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" > > Well, Jim, you obviously have not looked at the 'big picture', nor > worked for any who have, and I'm sorry you have had this experience. > . You will also find that WOR's target demo > listeners are typically more affluent than the listeners of other > stations in the market.....and while 50+ is a hard sell to many > advertisers, once you put the above facts on the table, they wish to > reach people with disposable income, and WOR fits the bill every time. > > So before you make a statement and lose respect for someone, maybe you > should look at the whole story. It is not always about the ratings. > If you want to be #1, God bless you. We're not trying to be #1 > overall and have no need to be. But we are #1 in our target demo, and > to us that's what counts. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jan 08 16:14:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+FdzE+17+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7003 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 00:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 00:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 00:14:48 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.42]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 41087433 for ; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:14:47 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <009e01c614b2$76372ee0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:20:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 2, in=5, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.42 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I-BOC Comment from Broadcaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=kjCOHl5P1OR6-10Pi5DAEkUxqxVl8TEI5u8lDvwtb_IrudXLsTt5 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I know ol' TB and he's a pretty good engineer. I agree with his assessments. Another top notch engineer is Garry Lysiac of Owl Engineering and former FCC guy, and he doesn't see any way that AM IBOC won't trash the band. It's one thing for a small handful to be doing it, but it'll be mayhem when even a fourth of stations are doing it. WCCO turns off their IBOC when doing their yearly required NRSC measurements. If we're going to do digital at all on MW, it'll have to be DRM- that way you can have full carrier SSB analog and put digital where the other sidebands would be. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeffdeck2001" > How true are these comments today from Tom Bosscher? > > >IBAC/IBOC Too little, too early. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jan 08 16:33:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+FdzE+17+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11190 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 00:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 00:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 00:33:10 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.42]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 43757317 for ; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:32:57 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c601c614b5$000065e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <001001c613bc$0efcdd70$ccc3be42@yourfd6nvjcer4> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:38:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=6, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.42 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} REALITY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=xxlWvs2DKXPv91WEDOg-nvZmJL2Zer2IOAWdDxiiNKOkbIUX3hwX X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude What model is your Omnia? If it's new, it CAN handle stereo. The just released Orban 9400 will also do AM stereo for thousands less than a new analog 9100B would have been. As for an exciter and mod monitor, if all the chips are good chances are all they'd need is to have the electrolytics changed. You could pay a high-school kid to do that. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Collins" > The Omnia audio processing is new but not capable of handling either C-QUAM or IBOC without being replaced or having a major upgrade. So, that means that going either way from mono would require a major investment from the owners. > > > > As you can imagine, I would have to sell them on the cost/benefit ratio of converting at least one of these stations to stereo. Obviously, we'd need to invest in new STL's and new processing and that would be a good sized chunk of cash right there. Even if I could get that far there are some real obstacles to over come. If we would decide to go C-QUAM we would have a very hard time finding a serviceable exciter. No one is building these things new anymore and finding parts for an existing used model would be difficult to damn near imposable. > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jan 08 16:57:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+FdzE+17+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37989 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 00:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 00:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 00:57:44 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.42]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 43762133 for ; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:55:34 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <011601c614b8$28ff5d40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <380-22006108141015906@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:00:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=7, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.42 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=YtlcTjNTnm6zvq2gX7w-pZmXPij-lBvGBlBSJN8dsmRnfF7TDPJb X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude As radio people, we're the first to notice it. Once a lot more stations fire up IBOC, the public WILL notice. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" > > THe interference, while > annoying to us, has not been an issue to anyone else. I have yet to > receive even ONE letter from my readers commenting on IBOC hash. > From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jan 08 17:08:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80412 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 01:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 01:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 01:08:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 78906 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2006 01:08:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20060109010837.78904.qmail@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.216.228] by web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:08:37 PST Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:08:37 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: AM ham operators X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=14ORz2XhbfiKDc1_Wi44kWb_84a9c_YHVxRfwgYdlWI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum > Hunter" > wrote: Glad your GF's kid is > discovering the > world through the magic of shortwave! :) Hmmm- Does > the YB have SSB? Yes, but it's irritating to tune. > If so, get him to listen to the hams at night, > especially in 20m and > 80m. :) If not, he could tune into the "AM Window" > on 80, listening > to the hams on their old Collins boatanchors! :D 80 around 3885 east coast. 160 meters is 1885 and 1985, with 1885 the most popular. 7290 is popular on 40 meters Powell W4OPW w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jan 08 17:10:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+FdzE+17+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83198 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 01:10:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 01:10:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 01:10:00 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.42]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 41099815 for multiple; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 19:09:53 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <014101c614ba$28ec86a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: Cc: "Scott Todd" References: <20060106172451.92488.qmail@web81912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:15:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=6, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.42 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philco Cathedral Radio Bookends HERE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=wlJzN_o8LFFdzJAXsejaPVAe-fYz-n5Vwym6hwXGNBV0CLsjZvPb X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Can't get the Hitachi semiconductor website to come up. It would be fairly easy to determine if AM stereo can be added if I could see the data sheet. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Jones" > No model # listed. Analog display stereo fm uses a > LA1824 Ic for the am-fm and an TDA2822M for the stero > audio output. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jan 08 17:16:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59682 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 01:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 01:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30015.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.218) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 01:16:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 67111 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2006 01:16:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20060109011625.67109.qmail@web30015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.216.228] by web30015.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:16:25 PST Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:16:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=iamTN9ZtJxh1mtW4Rp4zZ1mnhCq3hl_4aUIz0VUt76Y X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > First off, WOR's demographics are not 65+. Even if > they were, I'm > getting a bit tired of people putting down older > people. I know many > 65+ people who would put most of us to shame in what > they do and the > technologies they know, understand and use. My dad > helped invent some > of the recent technologies ... back in the 1960s. If > he were still > alive he'd be close to 80. > > There is no reason to be insulting anyone, including > Tom and his > station. Obviously WOR makes money, otherwise they > would not be able > to afford IBOC equipment and a fulltime engineer who > takes his time > to explain what he does and what he thinks. > > As to the idea that frequency response limits have > lowered > listenership, where is the proof? I haven't seen it > in Los Angeles. > The unfortunate fact is, most radios DO suck, and > most listeners > CAN'T tell a difference. Many, many AM stations > changed from music to > talk in the early days of AM stereo, so obviously AM > stereo didn't > help the likes of KFI, KHJ, KEZY, KGB, etc. etc. > etc. > > Will IBOC help reverse AM's decline? I have doubts, > but part of that > has to do with interference and part of it has to do > with FM > multicasting. If FM can multicast, then what is the > reason for AM at > all? Am AM owner can just lease space on a 2nd or > 3rd channel of an > FM station. > > Personally I think what will doom IBOC is that there > is not a plan to > quickly turn off analog, or to have the 2nd channel > play something > else other than the main carrier programming. THe > interference, while > annoying to us, has not been an issue to anyone > else. I have yet to > receive even ONE letter from my readers commenting > on IBOC hash. > > Richard Wagoner > > On Jan 8, 2006, at 6:10 AM, Dick W wrote: > > > I am sure that WOR's target 65+ audience, if they > have even heard > > of IBOC > > at all, think that it is one of the new drug plans > covered by > > Medicare Part > > D. Regardless of IBOC's technical merit or > shortcomings, the > > bottom line > > for IBOC is that there still are virtually no > affordable desktop > > receivers > > and no public recognition of it - the same issues > that plagued C- > > Quam. The > > fact that it is being made available in vehicle > radios means little > > - the > > same was also true with C-Quam. > > > > In the conscienceness of the public, IBOC is a > non-issue. In the > > meantime, > > the lowered frequency response that is being > transmitted on IBOC > > stations' > > analog signals will probably further reduce their > listenership. > > When older > > people suffer a loss in hearing, it occurs > initially in the higher > > frequencies. This may well make the IBOC > stations' analog signals > > sound > > more muffled to their 65+ audience. My guess is > that if these older > > listeners encounter a muffled signal, they're > going to change > > stations (and > > maybe change to fm). > > Dick W. > > > > > > > w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jan 08 17:16:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+FdzE+17+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27646 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 01:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 01:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 01:16:39 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.42]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 43766136 for ; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 19:13:09 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <014901c614ba$9daa63e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:18:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=8, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.42 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=pHauqnOPSTxgs23wNCY55i86vU7gIpax9U0zC3c1JH_8jzNxXxX_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The Metrosound automotive converter did just this. Shouldn't be too difficult to cook something like this up again, though making it cost effective might be a challenge. A BA1404 FM stereo transmitter chip added to the Meduci AMX2000? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norbert 26" > Its a nice editorial . Something that could be done to help AM stereo would be a AM stereo receiver that would receive an AM stereo signal and convert it to FM STEREO and send it VIA a part 15 transmitter to ANY nearby existing FM radio. This will cover the many radios in place that lack AM stereo. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jan 08 17:20:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94280 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 01:20:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 01:20:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 01:20:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 64858 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2006 01:19:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20060109011951.64856.qmail@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.216.228] by web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:19:51 PST Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:19:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=pOOUl5x2PKjZWCeHrFGabJsytEpJCt-ZM5C3vu8DK14 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW It helps to put your message in before hitting send. I actually clicked on send by accident..... And away we go.... --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > Personally I think what will doom IBOC is that there > is not a plan to > quickly turn off analog, or to have the 2nd channel > play something > else other than the main carrier programming. THe > interference, while > annoying to us, has not been an issue to anyone > else. I have yet to > receive even ONE letter from my readers commenting > on IBOC hash. > Richard Wagoner When the power is ramped up and many folks are running IBOC and especially at night it will be. There WILL BE a fast sunset to analog and it IS being quietly discussed ( whispered about) in very high circles. I was right on that one. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jan 08 17:46:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+FdzE+17+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91248 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 01:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 01:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 01:46:41 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.42]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 43769004 for ; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 19:23:55 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <015401c614bc$1f17d2e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:29:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=9, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.42 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=5nE82rvCZ9k1p3CwiqFCGJO6psT6cxeiJzEESBklqciijvachicu X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Other than getting a name spelling corrected- Jeff *Deck*, not Beck, as the maker of the new AM stereo tuner, I'd say it was a great read. BTW, Susi is one hot chick. If her pipes are as good as her photo, some big market is going to pull her away in a hurry. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Norman" > I will appreciate you reading and then giving me input on a piece I am > preparing to send to my fellow broadcasters and to some trade > publications. From wnmb@sc.rr.com Sun Jan 08 17:51:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49295 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 01:51:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 01:51:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 01:51:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 01:51:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 01:51:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 01:51:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 01:51:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: Amax promo on WNMB ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=_fi3UlrbeuQnEmtqF5gz0GmlOD3jS9-OAHzVO4qE4SVaHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 AMAX Promos began a couple of days ago, and a new series of AM Stereo=20 messages is being prepared now; should be on the air in less than a=20 week. bill ; wnmb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > How long has this been runing ? Wow this is anoraky !!! (Britsh term=20 > for very keen, enthusiastic etc) Great stuff :-) > From w6yn@juno.com Sun Jan 08 17:51:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8035 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 01:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 01:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 01:51:35 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB6DSM9AVM6A72 for (sender ); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:50:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LD84R5FT; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:50:24 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:48:36 -0800 Message-ID: <20060108.174839.2544.4.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-8,10-34 X-ContentStamp: 12:6:2882003497 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLFt1R4VgrXqkr/PnapiraKU= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLIB Ratings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=gfk5vWeL4Mrln2r-6dJyyC7BWy-RLexsc3cxCEmJ5g X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Kevin appropriately brought up the ratings issue. I am heavily invested in Clear Channel and we are being hurt by poor ratings just as WLIB is. Did I pick at a scab? Sorry. Don On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:57:00 -0600 "John / Juan Gualda" writes: > > Air America Radio is in 24th place in New York City. WLIB has a > 1.3 > share! > > In New York City! They did better programming "Caribbean music." > > Don > > > > > And what is your point...and how does this involve AM stereo > ??????????????? > > > > > Stick to the subject please.... > > > > > Juan Gualda > Mason City, IA From wnmb@sc.rr.com Sun Jan 08 18:14:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36969 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 02:14:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 02:14:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 02:14:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 02:13:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 02:13:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 02:13:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: For Broadcasters, there's brand new AM Stereo RF gear available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=U2r_P4hZi0jg7L-v_lAoHUOvR0k4QoK-OHqH3rlt0efHWg X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 In relation to my recent post about seeking input on a piece I am=20 sending to other broadcasters, some comments have been posted about no=20 new stuff being made. That's not so. Delta Electronics is making=20 (and selling) new and improved AM Stereo Exciters and modulation=20 monitors. Delta told me with my order that they have sold quite a few=20 of these in recent times to stations in Japan. My order for WNMB was=20 filled promptly and with no problems. Their prices were very=20 reasonable. In addition, Broadcast Electronics is making AM transmitters with C- Quam standard equipment in them. However, after experiencing BE=20 service lately, I do not reccommend purchasing from them. Delta is=20 far better and works great with any brand transmitter (according to my=20 engineer). From kjones_731@yahoo.com Sun Jan 08 19:05:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67514 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 03:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 03:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81909.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.188) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 03:05:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 65021 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2006 03:05:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20060109030521.65019.qmail@web81909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.223.165.182] by web81909.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 19:05:21 PST Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:05:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <014101c614ba$28ec86a0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kirk Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philco Cathedral Radio Bookends HERE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=QB-9toxx9GCDc3RTUZJEy-WAMUiLKPVbB_94OkjrpUGUY-K86Q X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 Try www.datasheetcatalog.com It should help. --- Scott Todd wrote: > Can't get the Hitachi semiconductor website to come > up. It would be fairly > easy to determine if AM stereo can be added if I > could see the data sheet. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kirk Jones" > > > > > No model # listed. Analog display stereo fm uses > a > > LA1824 Ic for the am-fm and an TDA2822M for the > stero > > audio output. > > > From kya1260@lycos.com Sun Jan 08 22:21:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60580 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 06:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 06:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 06:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 15704180022F for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:21:23 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 9 Jan 2006 06:21:22 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EB0FFE5BC7; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:21:22 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:21:22 -0800 Received: from [70.133.187.206] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:21:22 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060109062122.EB0FFE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Ex-AM STEREO KABL, was Re: {AMSF} WLIB Ratings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=wWcoxckBXE5nUZWp5WyHcUdJ0Uz5BqeRd9rYmpoPCgK4IIgi6w X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Another former AM STEREO station, now Clear Channel-narrow banded KQKE (ex-KABL 960) in San Francisco, was 29th in the latest=20 September-to-November trends with a 1.0 - its peak rating was a=20 1.2 in the Spring '05 Arbitron... KABL had numbers over 2.0 before the format change to "Air America" about 16 months ago... KQKE's fidelity has little to be desired... --jay ******************** > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John / Juan Gualda" > wrote: > > Air America Radio is in 24th place in New York City. WLIB has a > 1.3 share! > > > > In New York City! They did better programming "Caribbean music." > > > > Don And what is your point...and how does this involve AM > stereo ??????????????? > > Stick to the subject please.... =20 WLIB is former AMSer WWRL. =20 Amy. <:3 )~~9~ --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Mon Jan 09 00:52:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44225 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 08:52:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 08:52:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 08:52:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 08:51:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 08:51:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 08:51:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <015401c614bc$1f17d2e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=NNGS4gBUj9kZbGvhuNvierjEslwOF4a7gBE9fPbqZN2TZE4DXnNS X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Scott, You write: >Other than getting a name spelling corrected- Jeff *Deck*, not=20 >Beck, as the maker of the new AM stereo tuner, I'd say it was a >great read. BTW, Susi is one hot chick. If her pipes are as=20 >good as her photo, some big market is going to pull her away in=20 >a hurry. That is okay, my name is very close to that legendary guitarist. Thanks Bill Norman for promoting us.=20=20 I was listening to WNMB online Friday afternoon, and it is a very nice sounding AM station, with excellent play list, local news, weather and events listed. They also plugged "AM stereo" at each break, and told listeners their local hardware store sells new General Electric Superadios, so that they can hear the new sound=20 of WNMB. I also heard one AMAX promo.=20=20 http://www.wnmb.net/press2/articles/article.php? WNMB is an example of how all AM stereo stations should have self-promoted their stereo to listeners. Perhaps the AM stereo=20 landscape would have been different today.=20 In Detroit, there are a few AM and FM stations advertising that they can now be heard in "high definition digital" sound. I believe that this self-promotion may be lost on listeners, who=20 do not know the advantages of "high definition digital." They=20 need to be better informed about this new technology, and what to expect in their next stereo purchases. And Ibiquity states in the same sentence that FM HD sounds like CD quality, as AM HD sounds like today's FM analog. In their own words: "AM digital will have FM-like audio quality allowing for new and innovative programming=20 using music formats. FM digital will have CD-like audio quality." This promotion that AM HD sounds as good as today's FM analog is=20 self-defeating. It places a negative connotation, in that=20 listeners will think that there is little improvement in fidelity.=20=20 To be successful, iBiquity should not present such a stark differentiation between AM HD and FM HD sound quality. There is=20 already an inherent disadvantage, that AM HD cannot offer station multi-casting, and offers comparable fidelity to today's FM analog sound. Food for thought. 73, Jeff Deck http://Meduci.com From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Mon Jan 09 01:05:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61676 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 09:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 09:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 09:05:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 09:04:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 09:04:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:03:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <014901c614ba$9daa63e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Metrosound X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=R39VTfm69LSQQOPyEMntbdOYjHAnMWSzemzazn4zAtXCLNR2E9x4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Scott, You write: >The Metrosound automotive converter did just this. Shouldn't be=20 >too difficult to cook something like this up again, though making >it cost effective might be a challenge. A BA1404 FM stereo=20 >transmitter chip added to the Meduci AMX2000? There have been better FM stereo transmitter chips produced=20 since the days of the BA1404. For instance, the BH1417F offers on-board PLL frequency synthesis to eliminate carrier drift. It would need to be evaluated as a cost effective addition in the same box with C-QuAM decoder. 73, Jeff Deck http://Meduci.com=20 From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Mon Jan 09 01:18:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43542 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 09:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 09:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 09:18:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 09:17:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 09:17:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:17:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060109030521.65019.qmail@web81909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Philco Cathedral Radio Bookends HERE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=CnlNRhZOOV4H16Akka7h_gXX5ZcczWadvz_v3mgCMocBOed7PAhU X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Scott, You write: > Can't get the Hitachi semiconductor website to come up. It would >be fairly easy to determine if AM stereo can be added if I >could see the data sheet. LA1824 is manufactured by Sanyo, and is complete FM/AM "tuner on a chip" with MPX stereo FM decoder. Also, the TDA2822M is SGS-Thomson stereo audio power amplifier. Since the AM monaural detected audio is routed through the FM MPX decoder, the AM mono audio will need to=20 be muted. Also, an I.F buffer transistor stage should be added,=20 since the mixer output level will be low.=20=20 73,=20 Jeff Deck http://Meduci.com From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 09 02:49:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68504 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 10:49:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 10:49:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 10:49:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 10:48:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 10:48:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:48:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060109062122.EB0FFE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.142.217.53 From: "jim smith" Subject: Ex-AM STEREO KABL, was Re: {AMSF} WLIB Ratings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=h1IpPisGGkS7SxMncvV3sX63LUr34L8f2-BtmQ7oxk1ocH2Ro4bAmQR1YhWBHnfJTcY0HD79 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" =20 wrote: > > Another former AM STEREO station, now Clear Channel-narrow banded > KQKE (ex-KABL 960) in San Francisco, was 29th in the latest=20 > September-to-November trends with a 1.0 - its peak rating was a=20 > 1.2 in the Spring '05 Arbitron... >=20 > KABL had numbers over 2.0 before the format change to "Air America" > about 16 months ago... >=20 > KQKE's fidelity has little to be desired... > --jay > ******************** > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John / Juan Gualda" > > wrote: > > > Air America Radio is in 24th place in New York City. WLIB has=20 a > > 1.3 share! > > > > > > In New York City! They did better programming "Caribbean=20 music." > > > > > > Don And what is your point...and how does this involve AM > > stereo ??????????????? > > > Stick to the subject please.... >=20=20 > WLIB is former AMSer WWRL. >=20=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~9~ >=20 >=20 > --=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos=20 Yellow Pages >=20 >=20 http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/defau lt.asp?SRC=3Dlycos10 > Hey Gang I wonder what KCTC AM 1320 AIR Head will look like soon=20 to "Music of your life" in the books? Jim Smith From wnmb@sc.rr.com Mon Jan 09 03:56:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95779 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 11:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 11:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 11:56:46 -0000 Received: from BillNorman (rrcs-24-199-186-206.midsouth.biz.rr.com [24.199.186.206]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id k09BuhWe028281 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:56:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005b01c61514$22741540$6801a8c0@BillNorman> To: References: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:59:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "WNMB" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=DIgZcdxZPNDWj2WFQzz2rh8M5dbcDwS5Te9s6UCN_e74vA X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, We play (at any given time) from a playlist of over 2500 songs, with 5000 + total in the library. Some are certainly played more than others, but we are very aware of "oldies burnout" so we work hard to keep it from happening. We do not deny digital is going to happen. It is the future. However, it is still quite some time away and AM Stereo is here now. For a long time, it can be a great boost for analog. If we don't do all we can to remain viable now, there may not be much of a digital future for many AM broadcasters. My radio station in North Myrtle Beach is a local one. We don't to be something we are not capable of being. We do feel there will always be a place for the "local" broadcaster, like the local newspaper, because they do what the regional and satellite providers can't do, which is to focus on the community of license. However, being "local" cannot be accepted as an excuse for anything less than the best. The audience is a wise one and they know who is moving forward and who is not. WOR is a heritage radio station. It would make a real difference if , in addition to the move to digital, you began with AM Stereo and promoted it as well. It would, in combination, say your company is the one moving forward and being the best for New York. Bill WNMB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Jan 09 04:03:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25276 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 12:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 12:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccmmhc91.asp.att.net) (204.127.203.211) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 12:03:33 -0000 Received: from your75ojnaappr (12-218-229-173.client.mchsi.com[12.218.229.173]) by sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91) with SMTP id <20060109112603m91003f1jae>; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:26:03 +0000 Message-ID: <003b01c6150f$7842e320$ade5da0c@your75ojnaappr> To: References: <20060108.174839.2544.4.w6yn@juno.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:26:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0601-3, 01/06/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 204.127.203.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John / Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLIB Ratings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=6vjO_KXKqdDj9atFjANGkgUXY4uz5OM1ZjEkvxA3J5LyYAA X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I could care less what the ratings are at WLIB, nor do I see how it is related to AM Stereo, but then again, what do I know. I have only been in Broadcasting for 24 years... Maybe there is a secret connection.. a political plot by the left....or is it the right :-) Hmmmmm Juan Mason City, IA ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 7:48 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLIB Ratings Kevin appropriately brought up the ratings issue. I am heavily invested in Clear Channel and we are being hurt by poor ratings just as WLIB is. Did I pick at a scab? Sorry. Don On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:57:00 -0600 "John / Juan Gualda" writes: > > Air America Radio is in 24th place in New York City. WLIB has a > 1.3 > share! > > In New York City! They did better programming "Caribbean music." > > Don > > > > > And what is your point...and how does this involve AM stereo > ??????????????? > > > > > Stick to the subject please.... > > > > > Juan Gualda > Mason City, IA Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 09 06:52:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78242 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 14:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 14:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52003.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 14:52:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 26293 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2006 14:52:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20060109145248.26291.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.20.4.96] by web52003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:52:48 PST Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:52:48 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060102211527.F38E33384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stop me if you've heard this one! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=JmUU22Vtb3wHUXIBrKyIUFfONXMmhUOBkJNmA2-kVs_khACvEokf X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Jay, Over the past week I told me friend who told me about KBPS about your station. Why did the FM side sound messed up? Jay __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From wnmb@sc.rr.com Mon Jan 09 10:04:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81819 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 18:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 18:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 18:04:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 18:04:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 18:04:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:04:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=k3SCXhT7vspB0kZGrudraBTlu0FAkyEaB8pcjLKhQoHudg X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Jeff is now "Deck" on my website. It was a typo. I am always in=20 such a hurry and sometimes I can do a typo or leave a word out. bill --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001"=20 wrote: > > Scott, >=20 > You write: > >Other than getting a name spelling corrected- Jeff *Deck*, not=20 > >Beck, as the maker of the new AM stereo tuner, I'd say it was a > >great read. BTW, Susi is one hot chick. If her pipes are as=20 > >good as her photo, some big market is going to pull her away in=20 > >a hurry. >=20 > That is okay, my name is very close to that legendary guitarist. > Thanks Bill Norman for promoting us.=20=20 >=20 > I was listening to WNMB online Friday afternoon, and it is a > very nice sounding AM station, with excellent play list, local > news, weather and events listed. They also plugged "AM stereo" at > each break, and told listeners their local hardware store sells new > General Electric Superadios, so that they can hear the new sound=20 > of WNMB. I also heard one AMAX promo.=20=20 >=20 > http://www.wnmb.net/press2/articles/article.php? >=20 > WNMB is an example of how all AM stereo stations should have > self-promoted their stereo to listeners. Perhaps the AM stereo=20 > landscape would have been different today.=20 >=20 > In Detroit, there are a few AM and FM stations advertising > that they can now be heard in "high definition digital" sound. > I believe that this self-promotion may be lost on listeners, who=20 > do not know the advantages of "high definition digital." They=20 > need to be better informed about this new technology, and what to > expect in their next stereo purchases. And Ibiquity states in the > same sentence that FM HD sounds like CD quality, as AM HD sounds > like today's FM analog. In their own words: "AM digital will have > FM-like audio quality allowing for new and innovative programming=20 > using music formats. FM digital will have CD-like audio quality." > This promotion that AM HD sounds as good as today's FM analog is=20 > self-defeating. It places a negative connotation, in that=20 > listeners will think that there is little improvement in=20 fidelity.=20=20 > To be successful, iBiquity should not present such a stark > differentiation between AM HD and FM HD sound quality. There is=20 > already an inherent disadvantage, that AM HD cannot offer station > multi-casting, and offers comparable fidelity to today's FM analog > sound. Food for thought. >=20 > 73, > Jeff Deck > http://Meduci.com > From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Jan 09 13:25:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63356 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 21:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 21:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 21:25:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 21:24:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 21:24:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 21:24:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:24:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.7.32.127 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Amax promo on WNMB ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=TcQJQKd1Y3oZeF888Iqi3K-CO3TFhkkQzUZvxRsAlTh30swrgw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > AMAX Promos began a couple of days ago, and a new series of AM=20 Stereo=20 > messages is being prepared now; should be on the air in less than a=20 > week. > bill ; wnmb >=20 OK all good stuff, I guess WNMB is on a limited budget but can the net=20 stream be improved in the future ? Stereo 128k mp3 streaming would be=20 nice if possible or a 64k stereo WMA=20 From starship_2001@msn.com Mon Jan 09 13:40:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33257 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 21:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 21:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 21:40:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:40:24 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.13 by BAY106-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:40:23 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:40:22 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 21:40:24.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C66BF00:01C61565] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=L8IRjTLAreI8_LIOLuAd14UNM34hcILTcBKfLjkw4CYRnZYnivzJr2J29Q X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Jeffdeck wrote : I was listening to WNMB online Friday afternoon, and it is a very nice sounding AM station, with excellent play list, local news, weather and events listed. They also plugged "AM stereo" at each break, and told listeners their local hardware store sells new General Electric Superadios, so that they can hear the new sound of WNMB. I also heard one AMAX promo. end quote-------------------------------- I couldn't agree more. Content is so good on the station it makes me feel like i am there and me and the station are part of the community. I am a dual XM and Sirius subscriber and yet i set aside time to stream WNMB. Its the content folks !!!! As far as AM IBOC - AM HD goes they should just forget it. AM should use C-Quam AM Stereo out to 20 KHZ and even full 20 KHZ mono where needed. FM can go ahead with IBOC. This should come close if not level the playing field as far as SQ goes as i am figuring FM will jam all they can into availabe bandwidth to cram channels in for muticasting lowering the SQ. From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Mon Jan 09 14:04:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30699 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 22:04:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 22:04:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 22:04:36 -0000 Received: from [4.247.120.233] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ew57z-0004JS-0a for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:04:35 -0500 Message-ID: <380-2200611922440921@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.108.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:04:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc35b4e32eb3411ce1e0c8324baa35bdeb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going tobroadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=3U0vuyvlOmV1EO4POw2xtaaJWRSeJCMvtODFS7L-_vN7gg In the large cities like NY, where WOR competes, I can understand why IBOC would be appealing to the broadcaster, if it will penetrate the tall buildings where analog won't. I recall that here in Tampa, when I worked in a tall building downtown, we could only receive FM signals. If digital will penetrate better than analog (and I don't really know whether that is the case), that would certainly be a good reason for an AM broadcaster to prefer digital. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Norbert 26 > To: > Date: 1/9/2006 4:40:34 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going tobroadcasters. > > Jeffdeck wrote : > I was listening to WNMB online Friday afternoon, and it is a > very nice sounding AM station, with excellent play list, local > news, weather and events listed. They also plugged "AM stereo" at > each break, and told listeners their local hardware store sells new > General Electric Superadios, so that they can hear the new sound > of WNMB. I also heard one AMAX promo. > end quote-------------------------------- > > I couldn't agree more. Content is so good on the station it makes me feel like i am there and me and the station are part of the community. I am a dual XM and Sirius subscriber and yet i set aside time to stream WNMB. Its the content folks !!!! > As far as AM IBOC - AM HD goes they should just forget it. AM should use C-Quam AM Stereo out to 20 KHZ and even full 20 KHZ mono where needed. FM can go ahead with IBOC. This should come close if not level the playing field as far as SQ goes as i am figuring FM will jam all they can into availabe bandwidth to cram channels in for muticasting lowering the SQ. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From wnmb@sc.rr.com Mon Jan 09 17:23:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12828 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 01:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 01:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 01:23:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 01:23:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 01:23:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 01:23:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:22:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: Amax promo on WNMB ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=nxpLeLTVhiqRP3xS2d_2BMCMCBC7dU0-xOWvz6I_jf70Bw X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Yes, the net "stream" can be and will be improved. Next on my=20 agenda is an audio processor for streaming which is the equivilant=20 of what we use on the air. It will take us about 60 days to=20 capture enough cash since we paid for all the AM Stereo stuff out of=20 pocket. Bill. WNMB. By the way, to everyone, thank you for all=20 the kind comments we've received. We really do appreciate them so=20 very much! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" =20 wrote: > > > > AMAX Promos began a couple of days ago, and a new series of AM=20 > Stereo=20 > > messages is being prepared now; should be on the air in less=20 than a=20 > > week. > > bill ; wnmb > >=20 >=20 > OK all good stuff, I guess WNMB is on a limited budget but can the=20 net=20 > stream be improved in the future ? Stereo 128k mp3 streaming would=20 be=20 > nice if possible or a 64k stereo WMA > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Jan 09 17:51:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14049 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 01:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 01:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 01:51:49 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ew8ft-0003a8-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:51:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c61588$6a103360$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:02:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Broadcasters, there's brand new AM Stereo RF gear available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=ZS3kHnBeLhNR3DUTSp-TO9XwufS1d5yIAGfLOBBzsLaH7IX-seGTuyt8-WX-JA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Bill Norman wrote: >Delta is far better and works great with any brand transmitter (according >to my engineer). While I have not used Delta's C-QUAM equipment, I have used some of their other products. I will agree that their quality, perfomance, and ease of use is second to none. BTW, What transmitter are you using at WNMB? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Jan 09 17:52:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54310 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 01:52:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 01:52:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 01:52:00 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ew8fu-0003a8-01 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:51:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c61588$6b18a2b0$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060106224736.2445.qmail@web52005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:55:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A missed AM Stereo Station.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=OUc49cDXFfAEyQsDYbWasw1jmXlCuf6uIKK7_yU5nNLCTdPyGm_PWZgg9WKrGw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 JNR wrote: > Do you know if WMOP in Ocala is still xmitting at least a pilot? Today I tuned around the dial on a Ford Mach CD-6. There is no C-QUAM, not even a pilot in Ocala. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Jan 09 17:52:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57670 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 01:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 01:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 01:52:14 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ew8fs-0003a8-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:51:48 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c61588$69b4a5e0$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:57:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Amax promo on WNMB ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=MOEsJoVQFAkYe1FjWi_EGne4ny6t3hpm7R5IF4r6djkd0t-YXCBpJDZk6RrmEw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Bill Norman wrote: >a new series of AM Stereo messages is being prepared now; should be on the >air in less than a week. When you get the new promos on the air, please post them to the files section as mp3s so we all can hear them. :-) Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Jan 09 17:52:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26783 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 01:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 01:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 01:52:15 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ew8fu-0003a8-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:51:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c61588$6ab9e0e0$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <380-22006108141015906@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:50:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=nccZBWF2FUHKdmOcPncAag-wv4c23gtEG4Eny4H9EgDsu_1YeDtkdDi1X8-ciA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Richard Wagoner wrote: > Will IBOC help reverse AM's decline? I have doubts, but part of that has > to do with interference and part of it has to do with FM multicasting. If > FM can multicast, then what is the reason for AM at all? Am AM owner can > just lease space on a 2nd or 3rd channel of an FM station. I would like to see the FCC make the owners of AM/FM clusters in the same market put the audio of their Class B and Class D AMs on their HD-2 channels on the FMs, then turn off the AM to reduce interference on the band. > > THe interference, while annoying to us, has not been an issue to anyone > else. I have yet to receive even ONE letter from my readers commenting on > IBOC hash. "Joe Six Pack" does not have "Golden Ears" by a long shot. The average listener does not know (or care) what that hissing noise is on AM. It could be a bad power line as far as he knows, so he doesn't know to gripe about that new buzz and hiss screwing with his reception. It just blends in with the data noise, LED stop lights, computers, power lines, and all of the other crap that destroys AM reception. Since he doesn't know the source of the hissing, he just gives up and buys a XM. On the other hand, Analog AM Stereo is transparent to a listener on a Mono radio, yet sounds better than HD for the listener who spends the bucks for an AMAX radio. In fact, the transmitter plant upgrades (Retire the old RCA "Ampli-Fuzz") that may be required to use C-QUAM will also greatly improve the sound on a Mono radio! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From tomray@wor710.com Mon Jan 09 18:02:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69986 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 02:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 02:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 02:02:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:01:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:01:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:01:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c613f9$3148d900$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=rKPuiHEze88FwheyhfnnWBs_7xzOXt94TXBva8ETWTPj57qx X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > I merely pointed out how silly his comment saying, "it's about keeping=20 > listeners interested in radio...PERIOD" was. > -Jim- > And people going to XM and Sirius is what? They're leaving terrestrial radio behind. If you think it's a silly comment, make sure you turn the lights out when you lock the door for the last time. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Jan 09 18:04:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27944 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 02:04:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 02:04:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 02:04:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:02:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:02:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:02:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1777 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=6XQZUBrTRcD1e6cVHGY-Pt0Sg6VR13Y7XG9J6iLdfOkw97u3 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" wrote: > There's still a chance=20 > that IBOC will not be approved for nighttime AM. >=20 Something tells me you're wrong. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Jan 09 18:06:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85610 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 02:06:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 02:06:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 02:06:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:04:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:04:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:04:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=rBDVdaoeTFQ01ckEZx2m-BBergpVuAiriHkH2yZJVTyIyK7V X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > If WOR's demograsphics are in the 65+ range (or even 45+), it should be=20 > obvious that the people in these demographics tend to be the most=20 > hesitant about new technologies, or even if they DO use them, not=20 > always adept at dealing with them. (And I do stress TEND TO BE-- There=20 > are "senior citizens" who can out-tech teens and college kids even in=20 > their sleep. :) ) >=20 Then explain why J&R Audio World, one of the largest electronics retailers in the NY area, has put a substantial portion of their advertising budget on WOR air? It's because these senior citizens, with disposable income, go in and buy computer, large screen televisions, ipods. You'd be surprised that a 65+ person will buy. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Jan 09 18:06:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49355 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 02:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 02:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 02:06:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:06:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:06:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:06:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:06:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012001c61405$90d889e0$6805a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=mES-11cfIWM03nnPRSFAO4k5-c1thA-IEAyA97bJ2jkvkh2K X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > > Jim Burgan wrote: > > It's always the 15th ranked radio station that says "it's not about ratings". > > If you have ever been fired because of a bad book, it IS about ratings. > > When the GSM wants to know how he's supposed to sell a 4th place station, it IS about ratings. > > You live by the book and you die by the book. That's the Golden Rule of radio. >=20 > Ain't that thre truth! I was THERE when ABS Communications blew out WAIM 1230's Country format due to bad ratings. They fired everybody including the poor Janitor!=20 >=20 > You can bet if WGVC-FM's Oldies format had good ratings, Entercom wouldn't have blown it out and replaced it with a Bible Thumper format! >=20 It all depends on what your ownership is looking for. If all they're looking for is "ratings", they're being very short sighted. The stations that say around are the ones that serve a target demo and don't give a hoot about being #1. Tom Ray WOR > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From tomray@wor710.com Mon Jan 09 18:08:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7761 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 02:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 02:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 02:08:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:07:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:07:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:07:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=LEdI7La15hgfxKQ0YU26qAJfwOcyKHYiBKBTdQMBOyTc91fW X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > >=20 > Now, if we catch you shagging on the beach to WNMB's infections=20 > sounds... :D >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Bring your camera! :-) From tomray@wor710.com Mon Jan 09 18:11:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79411 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 02:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 02:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 02:11:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:09:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:09:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:09:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: HD-2/AM Stereo status in NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=-zGG1K5CspwHiS6GjB78MdrJHCBUvqaJnfN6cLh6JsvVq2mG X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" wrote: > > Sorry for getting a bit OT, but this seems to be the only place to > discuss this. >=20 > What is the status of "HD-2" broadcasts in the NYC area?? Seems > WCBS-FM is broadcasting their old Oldies format on their > "HD-2"....Anyone else broadcasting anything on their "HD-2"?? I may be > going there and plan on taking my Recepter..Also want to know if there > are any "HD-2" "simulcasts"...Clear Channel is simulcasting their main > program on the HD-2 of alot of their stations here in Miami, > apparently using different bitrates to see what they can get away > with...Beasley seems to use more or less the same on 1 and 2, while > CC's Y-100 looks like they're doing 64/32. >=20 > Also would like to know if NYC has any AM Stereo left..I see 1660 > listed, are they pilot only, or full on AMS??? Can I receive anything > else via DX from there? Tony: I'll tune around the HD2's and find out. Last I checked, there were several, including one that was country.=20=20 Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Jan 09 18:12:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29360 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 02:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 02:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 02:12:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:12:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:12:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:12:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <380-22006108141015906@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=eBp7Xan5fZq5NW5siRCJEzRfkvwi7iAnNAdhLg37ieVVgUJM X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > I am sure that WOR's target 65+ audience, if they have even heard of IBOC > at all, think that it is one of the new drug plans covered by Medicare Part > D. Regardless of IBOC's technical merit or shortcomings, the bottom line > for IBOC is that there still are virtually no affordable desktop receivers > and no public recognition of it - the same issues that plagued C-Quam. The > fact that it is being made available in vehicle radios means little - the > same was also true with C-Quam.=20=20 >=20 > In the conscienceness of the public, IBOC is a non-issue. In the meantime, > the lowered frequency response that is being transmitted on IBOC stations' > analog signals will probably further reduce their listenership.=20 When older > people suffer a loss in hearing, it occurs initially in the higher > frequencies. This may well make the IBOC stations' analog signals sound > more muffled to their 65+ audience. My guess is that if these older > listeners encounter a muffled signal, they're going to change stations (and > maybe change to fm). > Dick W. Well, let's see....since we ID as New York's First AM HD Radio Station once per hour, and run an HD Radio promo at least once per shift, and since I field at least a dozen calls every few days regarding HD...I'd say out audience is aware of it, and has been buying radios. They get the car radios at crutchfield.com, and the Boston Acoustics at J&R.=20=20 Regarding the "muffled" sound, since their AM radios generally do not pass more than 3.5-4kHz audio bandwidth, what's there to miss? Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Jan 09 18:15:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44253 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 02:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 02:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 02:15:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:14:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:14:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:14:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=qoWaVXsJLDpiPJ3wGVBbicMfhIbbd1NQKxXpZZ7NQ7YKZEgA X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray Thank you , Richard. Actually, our demos DO skew 65+....and we have 4 full timers in the Engineering department, along with 15 operators, and our Master Control room is manned 24/7, so I guess we're doing OK. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > First off, WOR's demographics are not 65+. Even if they were, I'm=20=20 > getting a bit tired of people putting down older people. I know many=20=20 > 65+ people who would put most of us to shame in what they do and the=20=20 > technologies they know, understand and use. My dad helped invent some = =20 > of the recent technologies ... back in the 1960s. If he were still=20=20 > alive he'd be close to 80. >=20 > There is no reason to be insulting anyone, including Tom and his=20=20 > station. Obviously WOR makes money, otherwise they would not be able=20=20 > to afford IBOC equipment and a fulltime engineer who takes his time=20=20 > to explain what he does and what he thinks. >=20 > As to the idea that frequency response limits have lowered=20=20 > listenership, where is the proof? I haven't seen it in Los Angeles.=20=20 > The unfortunate fact is, most radios DO suck, and most listeners=20=20 > CAN'T tell a difference. Many, many AM stations changed from music to = =20 > talk in the early days of AM stereo, so obviously AM stereo didn't=20=20 > help the likes of KFI, KHJ, KEZY, KGB, etc. etc. etc. >=20 > Will IBOC help reverse AM's decline? I have doubts, but part of that=20=20 > has to do with interference and part of it has to do with FM=20=20 > multicasting. If FM can multicast, then what is the reason for AM at=20=20 > all? Am AM owner can just lease space on a 2nd or 3rd channel of an=20=20 > FM station. >=20 > Personally I think what will doom IBOC is that there is not a plan to = =20 > quickly turn off analog, or to have the 2nd channel play something=20=20 > else other than the main carrier programming. THe interference, while = =20 > annoying to us, has not been an issue to anyone else. I have yet to=20=20 > receive even ONE letter from my readers commenting on IBOC hash. >=20 > Richard Wagoner >=20 > On Jan 8, 2006, at 6:10 AM, Dick W wrote: >=20 > > I am sure that WOR's target 65+ audience, if they have even heard=20=20 > > of IBOC > > at all, think that it is one of the new drug plans covered by=20=20 > > Medicare Part > > D. Regardless of IBOC's technical merit or shortcomings, the=20=20 > > bottom line > > for IBOC is that there still are virtually no affordable desktop=20=20 > > receivers > > and no public recognition of it - the same issues that plagued C-=20 > > Quam. The > > fact that it is being made available in vehicle radios means little = =20 > > - the > > same was also true with C-Quam. > > > > In the conscienceness of the public, IBOC is a non-issue. In the=20=20 > > meantime, > > the lowered frequency response that is being transmitted on IBOC=20=20 > > stations' > > analog signals will probably further reduce their listenership.=20=20=20 > > When older > > people suffer a loss in hearing, it occurs initially in the higher > > frequencies. This may well make the IBOC stations' analog signals=20=20 > > sound > > more muffled to their 65+ audience. My guess is that if these older > > listeners encounter a muffled signal, they're going to change=20=20 > > stations (and > > maybe change to fm). > > Dick W. > > > > > > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 09 18:16:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27402 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 02:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 02:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.214) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 02:16:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 59362 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2006 02:15:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20060110021531.59360.qmail@web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.148] by web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:15:31 PST Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:15:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: IBOC at night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=QO0rZGURKQsYaMlfH1_BCHvFSMBZFkeTXA3QdMzLbuk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > "dbdigital2004" > wrote: > > > > There's still a chance > > that IBOC will not be approved for nighttime AM. > Something tells me you're wrong. > Tom Ray > WOR And he's right. But if (when) everybody lights up hybrid mode at night, I'll end up with NO good night signals. And at NIGHT I may not have ANY decodable IBOC stations. WVOC at night is around 12 mV on 560 and WISW at 1320 is a bit less. There is stuff sometimes audible on WVOC and often there's a strong signal from WWNC 570 Asheville on some nights. 550 is a jumble. the adjacents to WISW are a loud jumble of stations. I never measured the adjacents at night. Maybe I can borrow a FIM and measure. With mimimal interference WLAC 1510 in Nashville most likely would decode as it can often top any signal on the MW band on decent nights. But with everybody lit up, who knows. AND I'm 5.8 miles from the SC State Capital grounds. With so many of the stations here using ill ajdusted Omnias, I don't WANT to listen to any FM. I have CD's and those flat black things with holes in the middle called records. Yeah, and I'd bet virtually NONE of those have been released to CD, either. Powell ( near Columbia SC) w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 09 18:17:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22205 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 02:17:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 02:17:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 02:17:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 7363 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2006 02:17:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20060110021735.7361.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.148] by web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:17:35 PST Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:17:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=OdWegue0IkiZieHKOrWVQh4Gp_B8tFTjR0cO9EbqhcU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > > > > > > Now, if we catch you shagging on the beach to > WNMB's infections > > sounds... :D > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > Bring your camera! :-) Be careful, I'm half a tank of gas away from WNMB. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From tomray@wor710.com Mon Jan 09 18:19:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98530 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 02:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 02:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 02:19:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:18:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:18:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:18:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <380-22006108211348856@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=eAvRQ3ueAkAdmVcUHye3xBPkn7iB85eBAPdmhF-AWq308yFD X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > If my remarks appeared to be insulting to Tom or to older people, then I > certainly apologize. I think we all agree that Tom contributes a lot to > this group, as do people of all ages. And being as I am 65 myself, I don't > want to be derogatory to older people or anyone else - > Dick W. >=20 No offense taken, Dick. My mom is 65 and is getting to be a computer pro. I'm waiting for her to ask me how to design her own website.=20 One of my Engineers is 64....he just put a DSL line into his house after I told him it was OK to take his laptop home. There is absolutely nothing wrong with people over 65....and we fight that every day at WOR, as the advertising execs on Madison Ave still think anyone over 40 doesn't count. Tom Ray WOR > From tomray@wor710.com Mon Jan 09 18:19:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98801 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 02:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 02:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 02:19:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:19:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:19:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:19:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=eAvRQ3ueAkAdmVcUHye3xBPkn7iB85eBAPdmhF-AWq308yFD X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > Most people don't grasp technology- They get used to it if it was a=20 > part of their lives to begin with. It's what they grow up with. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Actually, those who grasp technology usually are holding it so they can hit it with a bat easier. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Jan 09 18:21:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62604 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 02:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 02:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 02:21:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:21:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:21:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:21:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009601c614b0$05708e60$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=adu2gOPMvSBxDABV23JXxfD0Bbq5QT_H6WfV_uU-1-68YnDs X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > One thing you failed to mention, Tom, is that in the luxury of the NYC > market there are a lot of stations with little more than an asterisk in the > ratings column that are doing fairly well for themselves. A .1 in a top 10 > market is a whole lot different than in Des Moines. >=20 That is perfectly understood on my part, as I "grew up" in the business in a smaller market, and most of Buckley's stations are in smaller markets.=20=20 But I'm not the one who attempted to be insulting by bringing up ratings. I'm simply stating facts. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Jan 09 18:24:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73614 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 02:24:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 02:24:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 02:24:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:22:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:22:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:22:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00c601c614b5$000065e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} REALITY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=1UUTWV8WB5xrxw3uM0wRWHj1Kj6KA518UzrsS9MWvC4aPM84 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > What model is your Omnia? If it's new, it CAN handle stereo. The just > released Orban 9400 will also do AM stereo for thousands less than a new > analog 9100B would have been. As for an exciter and mod monitor, if all the > chips are good chances are all they'd need is to have the electrolytics > changed. You could pay a high-school kid to do that. >=20 You might want to talk to Frank Foti about that. He recently released an upgrade to the Omnia 5-EX that adds mono support (we had an issue with this in mono analog with single channel audio), and I believe it will handle AMS. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Mon Jan 09 18:27:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99939 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 02:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 02:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 02:27:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:25:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:25:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:24:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: For Broadcasters, there's brand new AM Stereo RF gear available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=WMoEvYuWNbiW4tr_kF4h_GH-qLoY659NY4DndZwR2wim6gpP X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > In addition, Broadcast Electronics is making AM transmitters with C- > Quam standard equipment in them. However, after experiencing BE=20 > service lately, I do not reccommend purchasing from them. Delta is=20 > far better and works great with any brand transmitter (according to my=20 > engineer). > Bill: What problems did you have with BE? I have a station I consult that has a BE transmitter....and I've always had good luck with their service people. Tom Ray WOR From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 09 18:31:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49143 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 02:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 02:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 02:31:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:30:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:30:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:30:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.243.242.199 From: "Jeff" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=TtHf2kHm4lcZ-4y56xmZw2U27Wt_2CDGLa85u6-YQjgix3L9jZxmq0EKx6PO7s8RB6U X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie"=20 wrote: > > > > If WOR's demograsphics are in the 65+ range (or even 45+), it=20 should be=20 > > obvious that the people in these demographics tend to be the=20 most=20 > > hesitant about new technologies, or even if they DO use them,=20 not=20 > > always adept at dealing with them. (And I do stress TEND TO BE--=20 There=20 > > are "senior citizens" who can out-tech teens and college kids=20 even in=20 > > their sleep. :) ) > >=20 >=20 > Then explain why J&R Audio World, one of the largest electronics > retailers in the NY area, has put a substantial portion of their > advertising budget on WOR air? It's because these senior citizens, > with disposable income, go in and buy computer, large screen > televisions, ipods. You'd be surprised that a 65+ person will buy. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > Tom: I'm age 48, and I can appreciate what you say about J&R; I'm in=20 Wichita, Kansas, and J&R is where I've bought many nice pieces of=20 A/V gear that most other merchants won't touch. From tomray@wor710.com Mon Jan 09 18:32:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49469 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 02:32:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 02:32:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 02:32:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:29:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:29:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:29:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005b01c61514$22741540$6801a8c0@BillNorman> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.161.40.80 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=FNKi-jEcHvtHxU5Sk5FTtSJ26IT0kTlzPBhMbFHjWjC4MPKt X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "WNMB" wrote: > > Tom, >=20 > We play (at any given time) from a playlist of over 2500 songs, with 5000 + total in the library. Some are certainly played more than others, but we are very aware of "oldies burnout" so we work hard to keep it from happening. [TR] That's excellent. There are far too many that play simply 'safe' oldies that do indeed lead to 'oldies burnout'. This is excellent. >=20 > We do not deny digital is going to happen. It is the future.=20 However, it is still quite some time away and AM Stereo is here now.=20 For a long time, it can be a great boost for analog. If we don't do all we can to remain viable now, there may not be much of a digital future for many AM broadcasters. [TR] Agreed.=20=20 >=20 > My radio station in North Myrtle Beach is a local one. We don't to be something we are not capable of being. We do feel there will always be a place for the "local" broadcaster, like the local newspaper, because they do what the regional and satellite providers can't do, which is to focus on the community of license. [TR] This is also great news. There are also too many stations that claim to be 'local', and maybe do have a good local morning show, then simply put it on the bird. Or, mislead the public with a service that can sound local but really isn't. Local broadcasters are a necessity. >=20 > However, being "local" cannot be accepted as an excuse for anything less than the best. The audience is a wise one and they know who is moving forward and who is not. >=20 > WOR is a heritage radio station. It would make a real difference if , in addition to the move to digital, you began with AM Stereo and promoted it as well. It would, in combination, say your company is the one moving forward and being the best for New York. [TR] We'll see what the Federal Candy Company does regarding nighttime. If it looks like the answer will be no, then it will make a lot of sense to add AMS to WOR nighttime. Right now, the company has no interest. So we'll see how this plays out. Tom Ray WOR From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 09 18:39:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47836 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 02:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 02:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 02:39:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:39:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:39:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:39:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c61588$6ab9e0e0$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.51.156 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=VcM5lk1Tvd4JEU4vN5DWcoPZj9xsgpCAMKjCKSRebeEO-SDR X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: >=20 > On the other hand, Analog AM Stereo is transparent to a listener on=20 a Mono=20 > radio, yet sounds better than HD for the listener who spends the=20 bucks for=20 > an AMAX radio. In fact, the transmitter plant upgrades (Retire the=20 old RCA=20 > "Ampli-Fuzz") that may be required to use C-QUAM will also greatly=20 improve=20 > the sound on a Mono radio! Gee, I wonder where I've heard that before? ;) Seriously, the work put into installing C-QUAM (or any other analogue=20 AMS system) requires dealing with IPM, and even the average AM radio=20 will respond better, owing to lower phase distortion, even with the=20 bass. C-QUAM is transparent- It's not going to make mono radios obsolete,=20 and thus over 1 BILLION radios in the US have nothing to fear by C- QUAM, although getting the stereo is even better. :) Can't say THAT about IBOC... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 09 18:48:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62013 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 02:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 02:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 02:47:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:46:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 02:46:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:46:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.51.156 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=bLeb-_PYtckR0bk5UcdfiI_zGhL5htn-gyO-GVF2AMgcPVLi X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > >=20 > > I merely pointed out how silly his comment saying, "it's about=20 keeping=20 > > listeners interested in radio...PERIOD" was. > > -Jim- > > >=20 > And people going to XM and Sirius is what? They're leaving > terrestrial radio behind. If you think it's a silly comment, make > sure you turn the lights out when you lock the door for the last time. How many times does it have to be said??? IT'S THE PROGRAMMING! People=20 go to the sats because of the PROGRAMMING, which many terrestrials fail=20 to do, because they're in corporate cluster with little money spread=20 between them! Wide cluster ownership has utterly devastated radio. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Mon Jan 09 20:10:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8087 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 04:10:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 04:10:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 04:10:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 04:09:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 04:09:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 04:09:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:09:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.63.52 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1777 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=5QMlMmm1ql-PYtrNzg7VrAgtD6-L6HQEL59Qyu1H7ia1fyazxpkWrg X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" > wrote: > > >=20 > There's still a chance=20 > > that IBOC will not be approved for nighttime AM. > >=20 >=20 > Something tells me you're wrong. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR > Uh, OK. Can you be more specific, like how do you know the FCC will approv= e IBOC for=20 nighttime AM? db From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Jan 09 20:17:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78369 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 04:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 04:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 04:17:38 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EwAtI-0002sp-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:13:48 -0500 Message-ID: <029a01c6159c$3fee9680$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:13:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcasters. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=tFtJBw5xmkd6WWmb2PC0XfFNRD7e7SwZgNmnAWiYAkvo7CDB3urgO8ZHU9pg3w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > Wide cluster ownership has utterly devastated radio. Not to mention what it has done to Free Speech! It is amazing how many "Pirate" stations keep popping on the air. Even out here in the Boonies where I am staying, I can get 2 FMs and a AM bootlegger. The AM is playing Techno while one FM is running GCN radio network and the other is folk music. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 09 20:21:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84599 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 04:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 04:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 04:21:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 11881 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2006 04:21:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20060110042100.11879.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.155.122] by web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:21:00 PST Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:21:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1136859575.1101.98806.m33@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Why WLIB? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=IhQkzWeVojkYqPU9O7NDSnD_-awKDQ08CMEiWvf6Zj0vRl1-770Cq-g X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The reason we cry and cringe over WLIB is that they robbed WOWO 1190 Fort Wayne of their 50KW Stereo AM signal. WOWO was the flagship station for the original AM stereo choice, Magnavox, and broadcast the oldies in stereo for the midwest until some morons in NYC decided they should have a bigger slice by crapping-down the WOWO signal so WLIB could gain more power. Now I can barely receive WOWO anymore as all I get is IBOC from 1200 Detroit, which doesn't matter as much as they dumped the music, dumped the stereo and went to talk crap. __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Jan 09 20:25:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47870 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 04:25:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 04:25:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 04:25:04 -0000 Received: from fl-71-48-253-196.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.48.253.196] helo=PossumHunter) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EwB47-0005ad-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:24:59 -0500 Message-ID: <029f01c6159d$d00fc120$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:24:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1777 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=dJrcJTJu_wzngrBwKs7mMLYmEeEwHWvAV6h-5_t_Nc3yEtMVm1GBCva15QJs9g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 dbdigital2004 wrote: >how do you know the FCC will approve IBOC for nighttime AM? The FCC's track record of making bad decisions about radio in general and AM radio to be specific. Besides, Money Talks, and there are lots of rich companies that have lots of bucks invested in HD. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From wnmb@sc.rr.com Tue Jan 10 02:43:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23635 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 10:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 10:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 10:43:03 -0000 Received: from BillNorman (rrcs-24-199-186-206.midsouth.biz.rr.com [24.199.186.206]) by ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id k0AAgF1u000220 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:42:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002601c615d2$e6e635c0$6801a8c0@BillNorman> To: References: <000301c61588$6a103360$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:44:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "WNMB" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Broadcasters, there's brand new AM Stereo RF gear available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=5C_0VIlc9aKH2gAZRauosmLVdLFLTdu7D2AbjKzt45YqLg X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's a Harris "Gates One" about 20 years old. Matches up perfectly with c-quam. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wnmb@sc.rr.com Tue Jan 10 06:04:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69236 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 14:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 14:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 14:04:43 -0000 Received: from BillNorman (rrcs-24-199-186-206.midsouth.biz.rr.com [24.199.186.206]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id k0AE4PfU021452 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:04:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005101c615ef$251d92e0$6801a8c0@BillNorman> To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:07:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "WNMB" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: For Broadcasters, there's brand new AM Stereo RF gear available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=2WcvCt7XZSILgOrnRiyPts7fKY8i2MMbe9wGXPEL0uzkUg X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have purchased from BE so much stuff over the years. I've lost count of the BE 8S150 and 8M150 consoles. AM Stereo generator, mod monitor, etc. All through suppliers such as SCMS, but nevertheless Broadcast Electronics. Recently I bought a used C-Quam Exciter and Mod Monitor. I called BE, described to them what I had, model numbers, seriel numbers, etc. and told them I wanted them to go through and totally refurbish the units. No problem, they said. A lady named Vicki gave me an authorization number and said ship them to us. We'll do it. Later, after the units had been at BE for some time, the phone rings and it's Vickie. She says "We don't work on the model numbers and units you sent us", and "we are going to send them back to you". "Just a moment" I said. "You said you would do them, gave me an RA, and so on". Her reply was that BE had made a mistake, and my used units were on the way back. "What about my shipping and packing cost?" I said. Basically, I was told that it was my problem. So, after taking them at their word and shipping the stuff, they didn't even reimburse me for the cost. To heck with them. So, I went and bought brand new Delta stuff and BE lost what would have been a sale for a new transmitter equipped with C-Quam. Since then, I've bought lots of other gear, but none from BE. I hope they find out their short sighted actions and "Mistake" cost them a customer. I will not again purchase from them and those we help with such purchases will not do so either. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 10 07:32:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4624 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 15:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 15:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 15:32:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 15:31:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 15:31:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:31:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005101c615ef$251d92e0$6801a8c0@BillNorman> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.88.174.83 From: "Jeff" Subject: {AMSF} Re: For Broadcasters, there's brand new AM Stereo RF gear available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=DLxWfp1jVSiLBRGy7e9NETID1sYxsrwwEskcWZS6KmeRlASdbdfDRLAMIEjCpy0tD5U X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "WNMB" wrote: > > I have purchased from BE so much stuff over the years. I've lost=20 count of the BE 8S150 and 8M150 consoles. AM Stereo generator, mod=20 monitor, etc. All through suppliers such as SCMS, but nevertheless=20 Broadcast Electronics. >=20 > Recently I bought a used C-Quam Exciter and Mod Monitor. I called=20 BE, described to them what I had, model numbers, seriel numbers,=20 etc. and told them I wanted them to go through and totally refurbish=20 the units. No problem, they said. A lady named Vicki gave me an=20 authorization number and said ship them to us. We'll do it.=20=20=20=20 Later, after the units had been at BE for some time, the phone rings=20 and it's Vickie. She says "We don't work on the model numbers and=20 units you sent us", and "we are going to send them back to=20 you". "Just a moment" I said. "You said you would do them, gave=20 me an RA, and so on". Her reply was that BE had made a mistake,=20 and my used units were on the way back. "What about my shipping=20 and packing cost?" I said. Basically, I was told that it was my=20 problem. = =20 = =20 > So, after taking them at their word and shipping the stuff, they=20 didn't even reimburse me for the cost.=20=20=20=20 > To heck with them. So, I went and bought brand new Delta stuff=20 and BE lost what would have been a sale for a new transmitter=20 equipped with C-Quam. Since then, I've bought lots of other gear,=20 but none from BE.=20=20 > I hope they find out their short sighted actions and "Mistake"=20 cost them a customer. I will not again purchase from them and=20 those we help with such purchases will not do so either. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > = =20 = =20 Sounds as if BE is the Best Buy of broadcasting station equipment! From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Tue Jan 10 08:36:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26150 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 16:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 16:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 16:36:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 16:34:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 16:34:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:34:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <029f01c6159d$d00fc120$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.63.52 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1777 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=qp71T1L1H4pbTCsn9AKn1M7n38AaL8_G-LyWyGutih2FY5jYbFh6nw X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" w= rote: > > dbdigital2004 wrote: > >how do you know the FCC will approve IBOC for nighttime AM? >=20 > The FCC's track record of making bad decisions about radio in general and= AM=20 > radio to be specific. >=20 > Besides, Money Talks, and there are lots of rich companies that have lots= of=20 > bucks invested in HD. >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical= =20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > Oh right. I forgot about the FCC's tendency to roll over and play dead (or= fetch and carry)=20 whenever it sees corporate money or feels industry pressure. Never mind. Question answered. db From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 09:40:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21289 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 17:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 17:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.217) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 17:40:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 1536 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2006 17:38:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20060110173855.1534.qmail@web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.232.195.134] by web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:38:55 PST Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:38:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002601c615d2$e6e635c0$6801a8c0@BillNorman> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Broadcasters, there's brand new AM Stereo RF gear available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=6wG35k8SlNixwweCKlbJ8fzRTY3ttt8Ojm4LUze659M X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- WNMB wrote: > It's a Harris "Gates One" > about 20 years old. Matches up perfectly with > c-quam. I didn't think the Gates 1 / 5 series was that old. The Gate SX series, yes. Actually the Gates series is not much more than a warmed over SX... I'm just not impressed with the audio the SX and the Gates series has. The DX series, yes, but there never was nor will there be a DX series below 10 KW. Just be careful of the big filters caps , and if they "slosh" replace them. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From tomray@wor710.com Tue Jan 10 09:47:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61304 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 17:47:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 17:47:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 17:47:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 17:47:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 17:47:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:47:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <029f01c6159d$d00fc120$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.8.239 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Digest Number 1777 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=nSe5TvGDc5fE9_WVjbttaXRHMA5ZYjXIuZSSJSaICHoE0vaS X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > > dbdigital2004 wrote: > >how do you know the FCC will approve IBOC for nighttime AM? >=20 > The FCC's track record of making bad decisions about radio in general and AM=20 > radio to be specific. >=20 > Besides, Money Talks, and there are lots of rich companies that have lots of=20 > bucks invested in HD. >=20 We're from the government....and we're here to help....... Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Tue Jan 10 09:52:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54648 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 17:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 17:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 17:52:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 17:52:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 17:51:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:51:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060110173855.1534.qmail@web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.100.8.239 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Broadcasters, there's brand new AM Stereo RF gear available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=gxUDtvhahFVc7XEvZtWXYJXaCD_Cy8a5Jlt4u51llPeQxg7f X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > >=20 >=20 > --- WNMB wrote: >=20 > > It's a Harris "Gates One" > > about 20 years old. Matches up perfectly with > > c-quam. >=20 > I didn't think the Gates 1 / 5 series was that old. > The Gate SX series, yes. Actually the Gates series is > not much more than a warmed over SX... > I'm just not impressed with the audio the SX and the > Gates series has. The DX series, yes, but there never > was nor will there be a DX series below 10 KW. Just be > careful of the big filters caps , and if they "slosh" > replace them.=20 >=20 >=20 Actually, the SX was a big improvement if you were running an MW series box.=20=20 If this Gates One is 20 years old, I'm guessing it's a tube transmitter? The solid state Gates series replaced the SX series, and I think that was within the past 10 years. Tom Ray WOR From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 10:00:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52374 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 18:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 18:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.215) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 18:00:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 65434 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2006 18:00:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20060110180019.65432.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.232.195.134] by web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:00:18 PST Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:00:18 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Broadcasters, there's brand new AM Stereo RF gear available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ptR35M_74wjynkyFMxTCLM7DP1CBQkwt-Ff0v0z57Tk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > Actually, the SX was a big improvement if you were > running an MW series box. The earlier tube models were better.... > If this Gates One is 20 years old, I'm guessing it's > a tube transmitter? No, the Gates 1 and 5 replaced the SX. The solid state Gates series replaced > the SX series, and > I think that was within the past 10 years. And the RF and AF transistors are already obsolete. Even while selling the last of the Gates series. You could get them from Harris for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. > Tom Ray > WOR The last tube model was the BC-1H. It had some solid state stuff that was more touchy than ...well.....sometimes lightning 50 miles away would cause a failure..... ]:) Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 10:49:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3186 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 18:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 18:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 18:49:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 18:48:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 18:48:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:48:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002601c615d2$e6e635c0$6801a8c0@BillNorman> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.26.73 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Broadcasters, there's brand new AM Stereo RF gear available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=BjoxLp289jzTPyy-WZABKwYhGb3A-rtcPnK9urBBUwdGONpM X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "WNMB" wrote: > > It's a Harris "Gates One" > about 20 years old. Matches up perfectly with c-quam. Ah, good- From Harris' days of pushing AMS, both of their system (V- CPM) and C-QUAM. I've heard goot things about that model of TX. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wnmb@sc.rr.com Tue Jan 10 16:20:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84033 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 00:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 00:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 00:20:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 00:19:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 00:19:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:19:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: {AMSF} Re: For Broadcasters, there's brand new AM Stereo RF gear available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=P4YsSS1ljUtjZ5XSRp0Rt3OExpmGW1zzUFdrOYGDozEkBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Well, I read my diatribe about BE and it sounds trivial. However,=20 it was not the only service problem episode we've had. The BE=20 equipment we've purchased has been good, but it's like a car or=20 anything else you buy. It's not just the product you buy, but the=20 service you get and the way you are treated. Anyway, I will say no=20 more about my gripe with them. On one other subject, there's been some discussion about the Harris=20 transmitters. If I remember correctly, I bought my first Harris=20 Gates One transmitter around 1986. We have its forerunner, an SX1,=20 in backup service and it runs great still. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "WNMB" wrote: > > > > I have purchased from BE so much stuff over the years. I've=20 lost=20 > count of the BE 8S150 and 8M150 consoles. AM Stereo generator,=20 mod=20 > monitor, etc. All through suppliers such as SCMS, but=20 nevertheless=20 > Broadcast Electronics. > >=20 > > Recently I bought a used C-Quam Exciter and Mod Monitor. I=20 called=20 > BE, described to them what I had, model numbers, seriel numbers,=20 > etc. and told them I wanted them to go through and totally=20 refurbish=20 > the units. No problem, they said. A lady named Vicki gave me an=20 > authorization number and said ship them to us. We'll do it.=20=20=20=20 > Later, after the units had been at BE for some time, the phone=20 rings=20 > and it's Vickie. She says "We don't work on the model numbers=20 and=20 > units you sent us", and "we are going to send them back to=20 > you". "Just a moment" I said. "You said you would do them,=20 gave=20 > me an RA, and so on". Her reply was that BE had made a mistake,=20 > and my used units were on the way back. "What about my=20 shipping=20 > and packing cost?" I said. Basically, I was told that it was=20 my=20 >=20 problem. = =20 > = =20 =20 > > So, after taking them at their word and shipping the stuff,=20=20 they=20 > didn't even reimburse me for the cost.=20=20=20=20 > > To heck with them. So, I went and bought brand new Delta=20 stuff=20 > and BE lost what would have been a sale for a new transmitter=20 > equipped with C-Quam. Since then, I've bought lots of other=20 gear,=20 > but none from BE.=20=20 > > I hope they find out their short sighted actions and "Mistake"=20 > cost them a customer. I will not again purchase from them and=20 > those we help with such purchases will not do so either. > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > = =20 =20=20 > = =20 =20=20 > Sounds as if BE is the Best Buy of broadcasting station equipment! > From wnmb@sc.rr.com Tue Jan 10 16:24:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8294 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 00:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 00:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 00:24:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 00:24:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 00:24:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:24:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060110180019.65432.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Broadcasters, there's brand new AM Stereo RF gear available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=43M1-_B84Fw-Os3oW5odvwRIPXtcMv09QToD_WNYlOl7dA X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 The first Gates one transmitter I bought was about 1986. It was set=20 up for AM Stereo using the BE exciter. It worked like a charm and=20 still does. The first Gates One did have one problem. IT was not=20 built with a cooling fan. After extended periods of time, we would=20 have pdm problems due to heating. Finally, we installed our own=20 fan. The next Gates One a couple of years later did come from the=20 factory with a cooling fan and it has never had a problem of its own. Bill. wnmb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 >=20 > --- Tom Ray wrote: >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > > III W4OPW" > > wrote: > > Actually, the SX was a big improvement if you were > > running an MW series box.=20=20 >=20 >=20 > The earlier tube models were better.... >=20 >=20 > > If this Gates One is 20 years old, I'm guessing it's > > a tube transmitter?=20 >=20 > No, the Gates 1 and 5 replaced the SX.=20 >=20 > The solid state Gates series replaced > > the SX series, and > > I think that was within the past 10 years. >=20=20 > And the RF and AF transistors are already obsolete. > Even while selling the last of the Gates series. You > could get them from Harris for > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.=20 >=20 >=20 > > Tom Ray > > WOR >=20 >=20 > The last tube model was the BC-1H. It had some solid > state stuff that was more touchy than > ...well.....sometimes lightning 50 miles away would > cause a failure..... ]:) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 >=20 > w4opw@a... > NNNN! > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Jan 10 18:55:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40114 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 02:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 02:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 02:55:09 -0000 Received: from fl-71-53-156-110.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.53.156.110] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EwW8i-0005ei-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:55:08 -0500 Message-ID: <010401c6165a$6d333ce0$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:55:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Broadcasters, there's brand new AM Stereo RF gear available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=AnZPv7uloAsZNj5otKnZw8ZdaoU1RgcRLxE_PS0NJmixsQBTfBfjsxMYDCjItw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: > Actually, the SX was a big improvement if you were running an MW series > box. I have lived with both. The MW1A with the AM Stereo retro kit in it has better audio than the SX1. The SX1A was a little better. The big weakness in the SX was the PA board and PAs. Another weakness is in the Oscillator board. Be sure to use the "Jesus Stick" on the filter caps mounted to the door before working on the beast! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Jan 10 19:10:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3970 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 03:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 03:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 03:10:06 -0000 Received: from fl-71-53-156-110.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.53.156.110] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EwWN6-0002C9-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:10:00 -0500 Message-ID: <012401c6165c$80de9170$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060110180019.65432.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:09:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Broadcasters, there's brand new AM Stereo RF gear available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=79li28Y9L0uDsUKOg8nOFVeq1wRR_lSYBvnqaZJZGmR-Dgqk7WRxmxfxWMONtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > And the RF and AF transistors are already obsolete. > Even while selling the last of the Gates series. You could get them from > Harris for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. And Harris won't tell you the real world number of the transistors! While Harris is good about getting parts to you QUICK when you need them, they screw your eyes out with the cash register when you do buy from them. > >The last tube model was the BC-1H. It had some solid state stuff that was >more touchy than ...well.....sometimes lightning 50 miles away would cause >a failure..... ]:) The best 1 KW rig to ever come out of the Harris factory was the BC-1G. That was a tough old box that sounds SWEET with a full load of new fire bottles. The BC-1G also works GREAT in C-QUAM. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 19:19:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79568 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 03:19:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 03:19:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 03:19:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 03:18:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 03:18:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:18:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012401c6165c$80de9170$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.42.104 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Broadcasters, there's brand new AM Stereo RF gear available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=rE7nBYZLk7mfpzj9wjktIsFJPyAMSMPu7X2mXjatquBoRsku X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > And the RF and AF transistors are already obsolete. > > Even while selling the last of the Gates series. You could get=20 them from=20 > > Harris for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. >=20 > And Harris won't tell you the real world number of the transistors! >=20 > While Harris is good about getting parts to you QUICK when you need=20 them,=20 > they screw your eyes out with the cash register when you do buy from=20 them. Ah, defense-contractor economics.... :P Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Jan 10 20:05:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64063 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 04:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 04:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 04:05:01 -0000 Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.218]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k0B44uri008230 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:04:56 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.22.243.193] Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-193.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.193]) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k0B44sdn071420 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:04:59 -0500 Message-ID: <007c01c61664$2fa4fbc0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:04:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0602-1, 01/09/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=UJV5Bb8iD0-OXbp0Ge8hFl5X_AdqpgWtdtxfnWgfFQPD7sY X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > Well, let's see....since we ID as New York's First AM HD Radio Station > once per hour, and run an HD Radio promo at least once per shift, and > since I field at least a dozen calls every few days regarding HD...I'd > say out audience is aware of it, and has been buying radios. They get > the car radios at crutchfield.com, and the Boston Acoustics at J&R. A dozen calls a day out of a metro of 7+ million on brand-new technology that you think is going to save terrestrial radio? I wouldn't be bragging if I were you, Tom... That is am embarrassing statistic. I've been reading your IBOC hype for the past year here, and on other radio-related websites, and in a few publications and It's obvious that you are caught-up in IBOC hype and cannot be objective in any conversation. In my opinion, you are nothing more than a poster-boy for Ibiquity. I admit that I work in a small market in the Midwest, but I have been in this business for 35+ years and I've met hundreds of engineers... and I have yet to hear a single one hype AM-IBOC the way you do. Not one! You are a one-man publicity campaign for Ibiquity. Now.... you will reply by saying that you have hundreds of fellow-SBE friends who share your opinions, but out here in the real world (unbiased by a relationship with Ibiquity) the engineers (that I communicate with) seem to think IBOC is too little too late. You are still tacking your data onto a carrier wave that will not penetrate buildings or overpasses or tunnels, and subjected to severe skywave interference at night. As someone earlier posted, if we are going to embrace IBOC technology, why not move programming from the MW band onto secondary streams on all of these Class B & C FM's then kill the AM's? -Jim- From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 20:10:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98340 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 04:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 04:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 04:10:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 04:10:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 04:10:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:10:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007c01c61664$2fa4fbc0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.42.104 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=VZ5czQZYpGny_Svvnrp9xziMnQikFT03RrPEpqoyt8gqJZ7d X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Return AM to the community with community owned and run broadcasters.=20 Return radio to the Little Guys! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 23:21:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26813 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 07:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 07:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 07:21:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 07:20:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 07:20:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:20:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.251.226 From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=4kT0t7BUVrffNKyqzOl4uQNEsPleD1YFF8Uw0g-Z08FttNPsAA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > [TR] We'll see what the Federal Candy Company does regarding > nighttime. If it looks like the answer will be no, then it will > make a lot of sense to add AMS to WOR nighttime. Right now, the > company has no interest. So we'll see how this plays out. >=20 > Tom Ray > WOR I eagerly await the chance to hear WOR's colon cleanser informercials=20 in full, glorious AM Stereo. That will make my day! And it's also worth noting that this is Bob Grant's last week on WOR. Rumor has it, his replacement will be Casper Citron. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 08:10:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33907 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 16:10:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 16:10:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.216) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 16:10:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 62154 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2006 16:09:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20060111160937.62152.qmail@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.5.219.153] by web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:09:37 PST Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:09:37 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Broadcasters, there's brand new AM Stereo RF gear available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=sndfZp3zbCXvi2F_jxBOxkXbHN14I6FOkgJpSwljBCY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum > Hunter" > wrote: > > > > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > > And the RF and AF transistors are already > obsolete. > > > Even while selling the last of the Gates series. > You could get > them from > > > Harris for > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. > > > > And Harris won't tell you the real world number of > the transistors! > > > > While Harris is good about getting parts to you > QUICK when you need > them, > > they screw your eyes out with the cash register > when you do buy from > them. > Ah, defense-contractor economics.... :P > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ No just using obsolete parts. But there are replacements, you just have to replace ALL the transistors in a module AND know how to check them. Tom O over on Broadcast net has a whole bunch of special notes on the MW-1, SX and Gates series that's invaluable....hint hint. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Jan 11 16:32:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94281 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 00:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 00:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccmmhc92.asp.att.net) (204.127.203.212) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 00:32:30 -0000 Received: from your75ojnaappr (12-218-229-173.client.mchsi.com[12.218.229.173]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with SMTP id <20060112003225m9200aln9pe>; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:32:25 +0000 Message-ID: <003001c6170f$a85181a0$ade5da0c@your75ojnaappr> To: References: <000301c61588$6a103360$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> <002601c615d2$e6e635c0$6801a8c0@BillNorman> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:32:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0602-2, 01/11/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 204.127.203.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "John / Juan Gualda" Subject: AM Stereo back on at KRIB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=PzOs3rkFVW8EodUR7ASLEyrHHjMGGpCn6RZjYYWRFO68pJY X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit C-QUAM AM Stereo was turned back on at KRIB-1490 Mason City, IA @ 11:10 this morning And yes it sounds sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet. Juan Gualda Maso City, IA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wnmb@sc.rr.com Wed Jan 11 16:44:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58254 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 00:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 00:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 00:44:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2006 00:43:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2006 00:43:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:43:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: The oldest AM Transmitter to have AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=Wfn7KkO3F7pSbY1_XzWlBBbZ7efUQxQJnco3XS9lbnnLLg X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 In the early 1980s, my first station was a 250 watt daytime=20 operation. I filed an application and did the work to upgrade to a=20 kilowatt, which was granted by the FCC. At the time, the station=20 had an RCA BTA-250 watt transmitter, so we went shopping to find a=20 kilowatt. We couldn't afford a new one at the time, but we found a=20 bargain basement special in an old 1940s vintage Raytheon RA-1000.=20=20 It cost more money to have it hauled from the place we bought it=20 than it cost for the purchase. For the next few months, we rebuilt=20 the thing. Gave it new caps, new wiring and a whole new complement=20 of tubes including four power hungry 833s, two for rf and two for=20 modulators. It went on the air in about 1982 and with a DAP 310=20 for an audio processor, it really sounded pretty good. Along came=20 AM Stereo. I ordered my C-Quam gear. The day came when the tech=20 from Motorola showed up to do the installation. We showed him both=20 the RCA (which had become a backup unit) and the Raytheon. He shook=20 his head, looked around and said something like "twilight zone".=20=20=20=20 Anyway, he installed both units and at 6 a.m. the next morning, we=20 were in AM Stereo. There was lots of head room in that old Raytheon=20 and it sure did sound good. The Motorola folks told us it was the=20 oldest transmitter they had done for stereo. Does anyone know of an=20 older one? Later in the 80s we had enough money to buy a new Solid State Harris=20 Gates One and the Raytheon eventually wound up at a salvage yard. The station was WZKY in Albemarle, North Carolina, and it is still=20 in AM Stereo and sounding great today with an oldies format. From wnmb@sc.rr.com Wed Jan 11 16:46:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34101 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 00:46:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 00:46:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 00:46:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2006 00:45:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2006 00:45:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:44:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003001c6170f$a85181a0$ade5da0c@your75ojnaappr> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: AM Stereo back on at KRIB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=Qsjdkte-VXJqOcxWsHw_D16zmTtVPEoRTKfrPwmoSDi3JA X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John / Juan Gualda"=20 wrote: > > C-QUAM AM Stereo was turned back on at KRIB-1490 Mason City, IA @=20 11:10 this morning >=20 > And yes it sounds sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet. >=20 > Juan Gualda > Maso City, IA >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > FANTASTIC!=20=20 From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jan 11 17:39:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+VoxI+20+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50605 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 01:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 01:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 01:39:19 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.140]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 44869816 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:36:34 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c61719$66812a00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:42:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 20, in=22, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.140 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Philco Cathedral Radio Bookends HERE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=oZp9ySwN4sctq6ELmimdc_d-6t4vhdHOu53YP_1_cLbJNsBjWcVu X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Yep- I realized my error next morning. The AM detector and IF amp are internal, so much of the chip would go to waste. It's no candidate for conversion with all the extra parts which would have to be added. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeffdeck2001" > > LA1824 is manufactured by Sanyo, and is complete FM/AM "tuner on a > chip" with MPX stereo FM decoder. Also, the TDA2822M is SGS-Thomson > stereo audio power amplifier. Since the AM monaural detected audio > is routed through the FM MPX decoder, the AM mono audio will need to > be muted. Also, an I.F buffer transistor stage should be added, > since the mixer output level will be low. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 17:41:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86854 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 01:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 01:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 01:41:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 8317 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2006 01:40:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20060112014006.8315.qmail@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.155.122] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:40:06 PST Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:40:06 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Any new GM AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=MOqB9vLwrzZ4lrjnBqdwwtQc5TiNz2UlanuEIjp-z-IDDR9RfklNr0s X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Does GM offer any NEW AMS radios for 2006, or is Ford and Chrysler the only ones with AMS on the table? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jan 11 17:45:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+VoxI+20+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64999 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 01:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 01:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 01:45:01 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.140]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 44794332 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:41:06 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c6171a$0897ea40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060108.174839.2544.4.w6yn@juno.com> <003b01c6150f$7842e320$ade5da0c@your75ojnaappr> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:46:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 2, in=5, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.140 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLIB Ratings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=P3D5meT4Jlc4SdeLN0F0sE97fQzQz3sQ58mMh5voxBY-VdGCuenT X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Juan, There is at least one ex AM stereo station in Mason City- 1300 KGLO. Might want to see if they still have the equipment. Next time I get down that way (admittedly not too often) it'd be great to get to meet another list member. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John / Juan Gualda" > I could care less what the ratings are at WLIB, nor do I see how it is related to AM Stereo, but then again, what do I know. I have only been in Broadcasting for 24 years... > > Maybe there is a secret connection.. a political plot by the left....or is it the right :-) Hmmmmm > > > > Juan > Mason City, IA From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Jan 11 17:59:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56503 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 01:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 01:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccmmhc92.asp.att.net) (204.127.203.212) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 01:59:18 -0000 Received: from your75ojnaappr (12-218-229-173.client.mchsi.com[12.218.229.173]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with SMTP id <20060112015803m9200akob7e>; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:58:03 +0000 Message-ID: <004801c6171b$9f9b0390$ade5da0c@your75ojnaappr> To: References: <20060108.174839.2544.4.w6yn@juno.com> <003b01c6150f$7842e320$ade5da0c@your75ojnaappr> <003101c6171a$0897ea40$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:58:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0602-2, 01/11/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 204.127.203.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John / Juan Gualda" Subject: KGLO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=uOwbAnjZyGmDhiXAkPrYMrDUIbX19zPgQYC6FD0GZFicLrE X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, Our Engineer was at KGLO when they were Stereo. We chatted about KGLO last week. He said he thinks after they changed transmitter sites, that the site was flooded and the Stereo equitment was ruined. I remember KGLO when I was in Iowa in the 90's. They sounded pretty good. I am listening now to KRIB and they are playing "Have You Seen Her" by the Chi-Lites. Sounds good in Stereo. Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLIB Ratings Juan, There is at least one ex AM stereo station in Mason City- 1300 KGLO. Might want to see if they still have the equipment. Next time I get down that way (admittedly not too often) it'd be great to get to meet another list member. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jan 11 18:17:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+VoxI+20+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57547 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 02:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 02:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 02:17:39 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.140]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 42136461 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:17:36 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d501c6171f$21f57fc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:23:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 21, in=28, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.140 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo back on at KRIB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=gO_2wo-_51RdpGEXH90nROBCBDmY5SFMOKM03RoUNB3392wbZWz6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Your campaign seems to be having the desired effect, Bill. :) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Norman" > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John / Juan Gualda" > wrote: > > > > C-QUAM AM Stereo was turned back on at KRIB-1490 Mason City, IA @ > 11:10 this morning > > > > And yes it sounds sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet. > FANTASTIC! From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jan 11 18:25:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+VoxI+20+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65618 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 02:25:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 02:25:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 02:25:04 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.140]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 42137810 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:23:18 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e201c6171f$eddac3c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060110180019.65432.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <012401c6165c$80de9170$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:28:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 21, in=29, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.140 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Broadcasters, there's brand new AM Stereo RF gear available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=1EedAtxxhvzPY7l5ZNrCbK5b5kNxibwFJ4kMxZvaIvrSmTrlXcgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It's the IRF350. I still get them from Rochester Electronics for less than $18 apiece. Dittos on the 1G- KYMN used to run stereo on one of those. Transmitter now resides in my "barn." Still trying to shake loose the AM stereo stuff. The downside of the 1G is that they should have used a beefier tube to drive the 833As like Raytheon did. Those 807s didn't hold up the best. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > > And Harris won't tell you the real world number of the transistors! > > The best 1 KW rig to ever come out of the Harris factory was the BC-1G. That > was a tough old box that sounds SWEET with a full load of new fire bottles. > The BC-1G also works GREAT in C-QUAM. > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jan 11 18:47:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+VoxI+20+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12528 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 02:47:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 02:47:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 02:47:39 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.140]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 42139632 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:32:11 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <010a01c61721$2bd6e0e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:37:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 21, in=30, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.140 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 1777 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=6R2rNFQGKqpu5vU_udAGt1eEw5QTiKg71LVK__a2ga-EvIuiturq X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Pasting in a number of posts for brevity. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ray" > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dbdigital2004" > wrote: > > > There's still a chance > > that IBOC will not be approved for nighttime AM. > > > > Something tells me you're wrong. > > Tom Ray > WOR > And I hope you're right, but not for a reason you'd approve- I hope there will be loads of cases brought into civil court over destruction of coverage area which will grind this mess to a halt. st >> It's because these senior citizens, with disposable income, go in and buy computer, large screen televisions, ipods. You'd be surprised that a 65+ person will buy. Tom Ray WOR << Todays seniors are definitely not OUR grandparents! st >> But I'm not the one who attempted to be insulting by bringing up ratings. I'm simply stating facts. << Understood- I was pointing that out to bolster your case, actually. st >> > I didn't think the Gates 1 / 5 series was that old. > The Gate SX series, yes. Actually the Gates series is > not much more than a warmed over SX... << IIRC they were sold concurrently for a few years in the mid to late 80s. Would have to dig out my back issues of RW to confirm. Scott Todd From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 19:20:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54901 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 03:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 03:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 03:20:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2006 03:19:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2006 03:19:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:19:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.42.104 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: The oldest AM Transmitter to have AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=BGqCG2JFxQ0eDsABxyOqUJfzHhpa7fQT3qpqoYyTgwjamp5Z X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > The Motorola folks told us it was the=20 > oldest transmitter they had done for stereo. Does anyone know of an=20 > older one? WSM in Nashville, when it was running AMS, was one of the oldest- I=20 think their transmitter dates from the '30s. There might be a few=20 others that date from that decade that at one time had AMS. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 19:22:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16460 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 03:22:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 03:22:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 03:22:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2006 03:22:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2006 03:22:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:22:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.42.104 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: AM Stereo back on at KRIB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=oG0QBTzhv3gD468fEQvoIX1jKr_UmGkNBltCcJ_Skn6GmQow X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John / Juan Gualda"=20 > wrote: > > > > C-QUAM AM Stereo was turned back on at KRIB-1490 Mason City, IA @=20 > 11:10 this morning > >=20 > > And yes it sounds sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet. > > > FANTASTIC! And another AMS station rises from the ashes, as our mini-renaissance=20 rises like a phoenix! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Wed Jan 11 19:54:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68139 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 03:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 03:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 03:54:40 -0000 Received: from fl-71-53-156-110.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.53.156.110] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EwtXs-0001mI-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:54:40 -0500 Message-ID: <014c01c6172b$e8b92c40$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060110180019.65432.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <012401c6165c$80de9170$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> <00e201c6171f$eddac3c0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:54:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Broadcasters, there's brand new AM Stereo RF gear available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=ZlKXkn-68n2x9nYw88-awv1fllPfdu7HV7R2_9sBDeGg2GTxUyAO7aDm8wPecA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: >The downside of the 1G is that they should have used a beefier tube to >drive the 833As like Raytheon did. Those 807s didn't hold up the best. Try the Sino brand 807 from China. They seem to be a bit tougher than the garden variety 807s you see around. http://store.tubedepot.com/si-807.html If you can find them, the Cetron brand 807s made in USA are very good tubes. Nothing can beat the old RCA 833As, but the Sino tubes are not bad. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 20:57:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30418 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 04:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 04:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 04:57:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 64394 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2006 04:56:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20060112045648.64392.qmail@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.155.122] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:56:48 PST Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:56:48 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: HD Radio article from K-R News by Jon Takiff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=qxpgI-6Ms2917EUZ91Xe2p551rMfgvR60rF9UsfS9rKJfphMYk_C7qg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Are you tuning in to the radio revolution? BY JONATHAN TAKIFFKNIGHT RIDDER NEWSPAPER At this week's Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas... ...And broadcasters will be at CES to tout their newly unified support for HD-Radio - a free, broadcast digital alternative already on the air in many markets but only now beginning to make noise as services expand and receivers become available. IS ANYBODY LISTENING?... RADIO REVOLUTION Digital HD radio today is at the place where digital television was, oh, seven or eight years ago. Early adopters are paying dearly for first-generation receivers - say, the $500 asking price for Boston Acoustics' deceptively small but robust-sounding Receptor stereo table radio... ...In my neighborhood, I can't get the local ABC digital TV affiliate for beans. And digital AM radio reception is almost as bad. It took very careful positioning of an antenna for me to capture and enjoy the much-improved sound of just one HD AM station on the Boston Acoustics radio, while the same box has been pulling in a half-dozen HD locals on the FM side. Here's one difference. Most digital-TV receivers simply blank out the picture when confronted with a low power signal, while digital radio often has a backup. Tuning across the AM or FM dial with the Receptor, the radio first locks onto a station's conventional analog signal - clean, hissy, or whatever. If the station's adjacent digital signal is sufficiently strong, the radio automatically switches to the much better digital version, about five seconds later... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2006 05:13:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2006 05:13:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:13:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: iBiquity consumer electronics licensing costs. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=ex4_ucEFAPzKreNBvBBwkemw-jO28Q_L3FKFIi_x6N6FNHDdf6bM X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Hello, I received the following reply from iBiquity regarding licensing their HD Radio system for consumer electronics: >Hi Jeff, > >Thanks for your interest in HD Radio. I am attaching a NDA for=20 >you to consider. This should help on discussions about costs,=20 >products, vendors, etc.=20=20 > >Just wanted to highlight a few quick things regarding licensing of=20 >HD Radio. > >License Possibilities: >a) Receiver License >b) Development License > > >Receiver License: >a) Permits the development and manufacture of finished goods=20 >(branded). >b) Upfront fee $25k, royalty $6 per unit above $150 US dealer cost, >4% of US cost below $150. >c) License is with the brand, not the ODM/OEM supplier. >d) Development Package (exciter lite, software development tool, >development platform, and PC interface) encouraged but not=20 >required. > > >Development License: >a) Permits the development of boards, modules, and "sample"=20 >products, but does not permit mass production unless contracted >from/by a licensed "receiver" manufacturer. >b) Upfront fee $25k, royalty $.05/board/module manufacture=20 >(trademark and certification royalty). >c) Requires the purchase of a "Development Package" (exciter lite, >software development tool, development platform, and PC interface) >for $47.5k.=20=20 > > >Next Steps: > >1. Sign 2 way NDA (attached), and return to me for iBiquity >signature and we will return a copy to you. > > a. iBiquity will open and populate secure FTP site with=20 >preliminary technical and specification documents. > >2. Discussions with Business Development team to discuss=20 >"Business model/plan", it will help clarify for licensing terms. > > a. Please send us information on volume, timing, and retail=20 >pricing. This will help for us to provide you with appropriate >license and terms. > >3. Sign License > > a. iBiquity will provide balance of technical documents, assign >engineering support, and work with you to get to market. > >If you require, we can walk through things over the phone. Please >see attached for reference about license options. Any questions, >please let me know.=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >Best regards, >Pushkar We could gather 250 of us, each pay $100, and cover the up-front $25,000 cost for receiver license. Then we would be free to develop the HD radio for the mass market, with all profit divided 250 ways. 73, Jeff http://Meduci.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 06:03:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49656 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 14:03:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 14:03:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.164) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 14:03:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 24032 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2006 14:02:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20060112140217.24030.qmail@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:02:17 PST Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:02:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1137066966.1478.58663.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Another AM Stereo on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=opmSwUM-fBtY1aKgaHkDmRAJlARQS0ZBKIy6FFpRp3sq86VTvYO_rh0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Let's hear it for KRIB - yeaaaah! More high-quality audio on the AM band! iBiquity wants $47,500 just for the IBOC development toy package - then add another $25,000 - too rich for my blood. I'll gladly pay the $0.05 (5 cents) per circuit board though... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Jan 12 14:44:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+VoxI+20+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31499 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 22:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 22:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 22:44:32 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.111]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 42426491 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:44:30 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c617ca$88c3be00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:50:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 3, in=4, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.111 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} iBiquity consumer electronics licensing costs. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=9_KyAMkuSPg2G8fnxIXrXl2rb8Hxg16EqfTrU_uidhBRrTEkaAUm X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Good thing I wasn't eating or drinking anything when I read this. I'd have choked for sure Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeffdeck2001" > > I received the following reply from iBiquity regarding licensing > their HD Radio system for consumer electronics: From wnmb@sc.rr.com Thu Jan 12 17:36:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84679 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2006 01:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2006 01:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2006 01:36:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2006 01:15:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2006 01:15:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:15:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: HD Limitations on AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=C7BBluOQM3QKj-KOVGPiQZcjL49KTx4zpX7aDXkrICJb5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 * HD Radio is not in-band, as it causes interference to adjacent=20 channels with a hissing sound, thus causing reception to be degraded=20 on those stations. The FCC should not tolerate this interference. We=20 are required now to stay on our assigned frequency. If we stray from=20 our band, FCC inspectors would fine us. Even a harmonic can get us=20 in trouble. It should be no different with HD Radio. I read this material on a web site that had to with some of the Kahn=20 system AM material. If true, it pretty disturbing about IBOC. Can=20 someone comment on this? 1. as to interference caused on AM by IBOC This interference can be detected even at great distances in other=20 cities. Of course, if all the 50 kW stations install HD Radio, it=20 could wipe out thousands of lesser-powered stations across the=20 United States. Canada already has voiced concerns about the=20 interference to their stations. 2. 5 khz? Excuse me, but this is nuts. Does Clear Channel want=20 to turn AM into a utility power management medium? My factory Ford=20 AM stereo radio sure as heck has better than 6 khz. response. * Clear Channel and Ibiquity are championing a 5 kHz bandwidth=20 reduction. Their reasoning, though they deny it, is to give more=20 room for HD Radio. Also, they claim that no radios are capable of=20 wide-band above 5-6 kHz. This is incorrect, and there are radios=20 capable of wide-band - GE Super Radios, Grundig and others. I was=20 always under the impression that AM radio was to reach par with FM=20 radio at 15 kHz. Additionally, the analog stations would not be able=20 to broadcast in stereo. It will be years before IBOC even approaches=20 10 percent of the 800 million radios. Meanwhile, all the AM analog=20 stations would be handicapped with inferior broadcast systems. Talk=20 about a disaster. 3. Finally, I am told that AM broadcasters are not able to air=20 IBOC at night. It causes interference and this dilemma has not been=20 solved yet. Is this true? For these and other reasons, my AM Stereo is sounding better all=20 the time. From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 17:59:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96553 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2006 01:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2006 01:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.217) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2006 01:59:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 74821 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2006 01:59:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20060113015906.74819.qmail@web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.149] by web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:59:06 PST Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:59:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Limitations on AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=yrn3dOMXZuH0n-1vA4CqcnHNDa3vhqeV0fY2sb3PAq0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Bill Norman wrote: > * HD Radio is not in-band, as it causes interference > to adjacent > channels with a hissing sound, thus causing > reception to be degraded > on those stations. The FCC should not tolerate this > interference. We > are required now to stay on our assigned frequency. > If we stray from > our band, FCC inspectors would fine us. Even a > harmonic can get us > in trouble. It should be no different with HD Radio. But the FCC is turning away and pretending there is no interference. HOWEVER If I fired up a pirate with as much RF as IBOC does, I'd be in jail. > I read this material on a web site that had to with > some of the Kahn > system AM material. If true, it pretty disturbing > about IBOC. Can > someone comment on this? > > 1. as to interference caused on AM by IBOC > > This interference can be detected even at great > distances in other > cities. Of course, if all the 50 kW stations install > HD Radio, it > could wipe out thousands of lesser-powered stations > across the > United States. Canada already has voiced concerns > about the > interference to their stations. But of cousse this is true. Canada will be ingnored if possible. > 2. 5 khz? Excuse me, but this is nuts. Does > Clear Channel want > to turn AM into a utility power management medium? > My factory Ford > AM stereo radio sure as heck has better than 6 khz. > response. CC's Jeff Littlejohn came up with this gem. He was claiming it would reduce interference. It might help if it wasn't really a prelude to IBOC. The Optimod 9200 does not have a 5 kilohertz mode, but 4.5. The Optimod's audio is rather unpleasant with this preset. > * Clear Channel and Ibiquity are championing a 5 kHz > bandwidth > reduction. Their reasoning, though they deny it, is > to give more > room for HD Radio. Also, they claim that no radios > are capable of > wide-band above 5-6 kHz. This is incorrect, and > there are radios > capable of wide-band - GE Super Radios, Grundig and > others. I was > always under the impression that AM radio was to > reach par with FM > radio at 15 kHz. Additionally, the analog stations > would not be able > to broadcast in stereo. It will be years before IBOC > even approaches > 10 percent of the 800 million radios. Meanwhile, all > the AM analog > stations would be handicapped with inferior > broadcast systems. Talk > about a disaster. A lot of the new cheapo radios are using a Toshiba chip that's as wide as a barn. Ouch. The 6 kilohertz mode can be used with IBOC and WOR uses it. It sounds better than the 4.5 preset. > 3. Finally, I am told that AM broadcasters are not > able to air > IBOC at night. It causes interference and this > dilemma has not been > solved yet. Is this true? That's true. The only way to run IBOC and cure night interference is to go truly onband and turn off the analog. > For these and other reasons, my AM Stereo is > sounding better all the time. I'm not going to disagree with you. Another not spoken of IBOC secret....yes the high end is gone. So is the low end....cut off at 100 hertz. A dial up long distance phone sounds better. ER, when I talked to CC Denver's engineering, I found out the phone system was ISDN. I was amazed how good the audio on the phone, digitally switched all the way actually sounded. HMMMMM ! I had a good time at the South Carolina Broacasters Association Winter meeting in Columbia. I wished I could have seen some on the list. I had a good time looking at old Continental TX's with Mr. Continental... Powell Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From berettagtz@bonbon.net Thu Jan 12 19:14:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: berettagtz@bonbon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89177 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2006 03:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2006 03:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-out.hotpop.com) (38.113.3.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2006 03:13:59 -0000 Received: from bonbon.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.105]) by smtp-out.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2CC8471359 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 03:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slidingdj01 (cpe-065-188-181-021.triad.res.rr.com [65.188.181.21]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id F14471A01B3 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 03:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <001201c617ee$c5025ec0$6700a8c0@slidingdj01> To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:05:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Originating-IP: 38.113.3.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Ernest Jones" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The oldest AM Transmitter to have AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174081060; y=kuB-Q70Qb1b_enFeQYBToMFVxt-tvzUim2DqnUOYKKFSbDbb X-Yahoo-Profile: e92fmjamz WGAI Elizabeth City NC also used a Raytheon RA-1000 up until about 2 years ago ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:19 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: The oldest AM Transmitter to have AM Stereo! > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > >> The Motorola folks told us it was the >> oldest transmitter they had done for stereo. Does anyone know of an >> older one? > > WSM in Nashville, when it was running AMS, was one of the oldest- I > think their transmitter dates from the '30s. There might be a few > others that date from that decade that at one time had AMS. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Thu Jan 12 19:40:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27594 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2006 03:40:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2006 03:40:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2006 03:40:34 -0000 Received: from fl-71-53-156-110.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.53.156.110] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1ExFnk-0003Jd-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:40:32 -0500 Message-ID: <011201c617f3$1a0a6b20$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <001201c617ee$c5025ec0$6700a8c0@slidingdj01> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:40:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The oldest AM Transmitter to have AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=Q6ORUotI5andZlOEPZ2QyYDEsCNEGLyukfb_TME-yGLontiQg-ImPM4t9ltWVg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Bill Norman wrote: >The Motorola folks told us it was the oldest transmitter they had done for >stereo. Does anyone know of an older one? I put a BE C-QUAM exciter on a Western Electric 443A-1. It sounds SWEET on the air. It is driven by a pair of DAP310s bridged together for Stereo. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimbo@burgan.net Thu Jan 12 20:15:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25080 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2006 04:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2006 04:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2006 04:15:41 -0000 Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.203]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k0D4Fbri007348 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:15:37 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.22.243.193] Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-193.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.193]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k0D4Fa5w128138 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:15:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c617f8$01ff3ab0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:15:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0602-2, 01/11/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Limitations on AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=zwxL-a0Kr-sXAsT33GkiVlXTB9YCLApbBn1e7oGmoPqBAr0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > 1. as to interference caused on AM by IBOC > > This interference can be detected even at great distances in other > cities. Of course, if all the 50 kW stations install HD Radio, it > could wipe out thousands of lesser-powered stations across the > United States. Canada already has voiced concerns about the > interference to their stations. In the late 80's we were given the NRSC mask, which limited audio to a max of 10KHz bandwidth. This was supposed to reduce interference. Now we want to splatter IBOC sidebands back out to 30KHz? Is it just me, or is this some kind of insanity? As for Canada, what are they going to do, nuke Washington or perhaps whipp-up a Canadian version of Radio Marti? As Tom said, they have no choice. North America has but one capitol, and it's ain't in Ontario or Quebec. > 2. 5 khz? Excuse me, but this is nuts. Does Clear Channel want > to turn AM into a utility power management medium? My factory Ford > AM stereo radio sure as heck has better than 6 khz. response. I know it's not part of their logic, but if analog audio is limited to 5KHz, it will make their low-bitrate codec sound better on the digital side. The stations that are already broadcasting with AM-IBOC (thus limited to 5KHz) sound awful. It will take forever (many years) for IBOC to reach a significant level of penetration. Meanwhile the 5KHz audio will force smaller market b'casters to move talk programming over to FM-IBOC (if the small market owners are fortunate enough to have an FM). > * Clear Channel and Ibiquity are championing a 5 kHz bandwidth > reduction. Their reasoning, though they deny it, is to give more > room for HD Radio. Also, they claim that no radios are capable of > wide-band above 5-6 kHz. This is incorrect, and there are radios > capable of wide-band - GE Super Radios, Grundig and others. I was > always under the impression that AM radio was to reach par with FM > radio at 15 kHz. Additionally, the analog stations would not be able > to broadcast in stereo. It will be years before IBOC even approaches > 10 percent of the 800 million radios. Meanwhile, all the AM analog > stations would be handicapped with inferior broadcast systems. Talk > about a disaster. See above > 3. Finally, I am told that AM broadcasters are not able to air > IBOC at night. It causes interference and this dilemma has not been > solved yet. Is this true? Tom Ray is right... AM-IBOC will be approved for night-time use, and sooner than most people think. The big bucks are flowing freely to get this done. AM-IBOC use at night will be approved before this year is done (no special insight, just a hunch). This will put a nail in the coffin on all Class C's (1KW 24/7 ND on those 'graveyard' frequencies), cut down the reception area of nearly all Class B's and absolutely remove secondary coverage areas for Class A's. From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Jan 13 00:43:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64302 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2006 08:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2006 08:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2006 08:43:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2006 08:43:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2006 08:43:44 -0000 X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15606 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 21:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 21:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 21:24:10 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.1c0.38529a5a (14374) for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:24:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1c0.38529a5a.30f822f5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:24:05 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: KC4QLP@aol.com Subject: Re: The oldest AM Transmitter to have AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135; y=2Kl2_kdxa9LRceO709vpO2qBMlfDNGBZSy3NoZ9bybBc X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Jan 2006 08:43:43 -0000 > > > In the early 1980s, my first station was a 250 watt daytime > operation. I filed an application and did the work to upgrade to a > kilowatt, which was granted by the FCC. At the time, the station > had an RCA BTA-250 watt transmitter, so we went shopping to find a > kilowatt. We couldn't afford a new one at the time, but we found a > bargain basement special in an old 1940s vintage Raytheon RA-1000. > It cost more money to have it hauled from the place we bought it > than it cost for the purchase. For the next few months, we rebuilt > the thing. Gave it new caps, new wiring and a whole new complement > of tubes including four power hungry 833s, two for rf and two for > modulators. It went on the air in about 1982 and with a DAP 310 > for an audio processor, it really sounded pretty good. Along came > AM Stereo. I ordered my C-Quam gear. The day came when the tech > from Motorola showed up to do the installation. We showed him both > the RCA (which had become a backup unit) and the Raytheon. He shook > his head, looked around and said something like "twilight zone". > Anyway, he installed both units and at 6 a.m. the next morning, we > were in AM Stereo. There was lots of head room in that old Raytheon > and it sure did sound good. The Motorola folks told us it was the > oldest transmitter they had done for stereo. Does anyone know of an > older one? > Later in the 80s we had enough money to buy a new Solid State Harris > Gates One and the Raytheon eventually wound up at a salvage yard. > The station was WZKY in Albemarle, North Carolina, and it is still > in AM Stereo and sounding great today with an oldies format. > Bill, Funny I should see this email. WGAI-AM 560 in Elizabeth City NC operated with an RA-1000 ...in AM Stereo using the earlier exciter sold by Delta. The back-up transmitter...newer than the Raytheon was a McMartin BA 1K. Need I say more...the old Raytheon had the McMartin beat in performance in the sound dept. The Delta exciter was in operation on these transmitters from around 1992 until late 2004. A solid state rig with a built in C-Quam exciter replaced both transmitters in late 2004. Just as an interesting side note Bill that you may find of interest....the back up rig, the McMartin was taken out of service..sold on ebay to a guy in Tenn. Now the other part ..more closer to interest for both of us. WZKY's old Raytheon still lives on in some form of fashion. Even though that Raytheon ened up in the salvage yard, the meter panel [ the one that was behind the heavy door on the front of the transmitter ] along with various other parts of that very transmitter ended up in Elizabeth City @ WGAI to serve as back-up parts for WGAI's Raytheon. Today however, the old Raytheon at WGAI is gone...replaced with a BE AM1A solid state rig...still in stereo but the sound of the station and its operation has gone down the tubes since I moved my central operations to NY [darn PD's tinkering around too much!]. The company that bought WGAI and its sister stations gave me the Raytheon after the install of the solid state transmitter in late 2004. During the late part of summer, 2005 the Raytheon transmitter and all of its spare parts at WGAI were moved to VT where in a year or so I'll help the ham who now has the transmitter, put the big beast back together where it will spend its remaining years on the 160 meter ham band. BTW..did you get my last direct email that I sent several days ago? Bob Carter - KC4QLP ------------------------------------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic-Engineering-Services of Utica NY / Elizabeth City NC email: midatlanticengin@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice ------------------------------------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Fri Jan 13 10:37:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5661 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2006 18:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2006 18:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2006 18:37:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2006 18:37:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2006 18:37:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:37:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007c01c61664$2fa4fbc0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=s0ECdPhbF4KOGaNOlCveIO2dxpHhM1gEy5ntqHG9fRtS3u9x X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > A dozen calls a day out of a metro of 7+ million on brand-new technology=20 > that you think is going to save terrestrial radio? > I wouldn't be bragging if I were you, Tom... That is am embarrassing=20 > statistic. That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Maybe in the Midwest people call the CE of radio stations to ask about the technology they are talking about....that doesn't happen in NY.=20=20 > I've been reading your IBOC hype for the past year here, and on other=20 > radio-related websites, and in a few publications and It's obvious that you=20 > are caught-up in IBOC hype and cannot be objective in any conversation. In=20 > my opinion, you are nothing more than a poster-boy for Ibiquity. Once again, you are entitled to your opinion...and you are completely wrong. I am convinced it is time for a change in the way we transmit a signal. That change is here. I happen to like it. This has nothing to do with iBiquity or anyone else. > I admit that I work in a small market in the Midwest, but I have been in=20 > this business for 35+ years and I've met hundreds of engineers... and I have=20 > yet to hear a single one hype AM-IBOC the way you do. Not one! > You are a one-man publicity campaign for Ibiquity. > Now.... you will reply by saying that you have hundreds of fellow-SBE=20 > friends who share your opinions, but out here in the real world (unbiased by=20 > a relationship with Ibiquity) the engineers (that I communicate with) seem=20 > to think IBOC is too little too late. You are still tacking your data onto=20 > a carrier wave that will not penetrate buildings or overpasses or tunnels,=20 > and subjected to severe skywave interference at night. > As someone earlier posted, if we are going to embrace IBOC technology, why=20 > not move programming from the MW band onto secondary streams on all of these=20 > Class B & C FM's then kill the AM's? Nope. Won't give you the satisfaction. Very bluntly, I have been handed a new technology to make it work. I have done so....as have many other Engineers in this industry. Our job is to make it work. I also try to educate. When I see blantant out and out lies, I jump in and correct them...and there have been many on this board. You don't like my answers, that's just too bad. I am also entitled to my opinion and freely express it. Last time I checked, this is a free country with a first amendment right to free speech and expression.=20 You are free not to agree with me, and that is what we are doing.=20=20 However, please explain to me why AMS is so much better than HD, seeing, as you have stated, "You are still tacking your data onto=20 a carrier wave that will not penetrate buildings or overpasses or tunnels, and subjected to severe skywave interference at night."=20 Sound to me, Jim, that we are talking about basically the same thing using a different method to get from point A to point B....and, incidentally, I am presently listening to an HD signal at my desk, where the analog signal is far too noisy to listen to. Let's see your system perform that little trick. And I can park under overpasses on the Jersey Turnpike and listen to our HD signal where the analog is very noisy. Maybe you should recheck your data. Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Jan 13 10:39:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22693 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2006 18:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2006 18:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2006 18:39:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2006 18:37:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2006 18:37:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:37:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=2l2fqTOiyJI52KskCT2O3Z_SLXv355FJ1YlxihHbQEp4zzUZ X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > Return AM to the community with community owned and run broadcasters.=20 > Return radio to the Little Guys! >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > But the FCC won't be able to make any $ off of that.... Tom Ray WOR From tomray@wor710.com Fri Jan 13 10:39:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40197 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2006 18:39:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2006 18:39:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2006 18:39:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2006 18:39:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2006 18:39:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:39:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.101.77.34 From: "Tom Ray" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311; y=5xEpZjdoIxHu4lhyFSZsaAjOhiHvRCGy7CRg2S6--AcOPB_C X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > [TR] We'll see what the Federal Candy Company does regarding > > nighttime. If it looks like the answer will be no, then it will > > make a lot of sense to add AMS to WOR nighttime. Right now, the > > company has no interest. So we'll see how this plays out. > >=20 > > Tom Ray > > WOR >=20 > I eagerly await the chance to hear WOR's colon cleanser informercials=20 > in full, glorious AM Stereo. That will make my day! >=20 > And it's also worth noting that this is Bob Grant's last week on WOR. > Rumor has it, his replacement will be Casper Citron. > Hey....we will be able to charge a premium on those infomercials, as you'll be able to actually hear it work! And regarding Casper....that will be quite the trick. I haven't found an interface to the great beyond yet that produces clean audio. Tom Ray WOR From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Jan 13 10:44:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40561 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2006 18:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2006 18:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2006 18:44:25 -0000 Received: from [4.247.209.112] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ExTtl-0003MS-3K for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:43:41 -0500 Message-ID: <380-220061513184352468@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.112.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:43:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc0c881e0d21e1b52f4b3ce6769e21df50350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=zv9yzTSGy4IjmYxGiHQLu-XlnuY08B6fUAyNe-Af3KwfGA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just out of curiosity and a desire to be educated, Tom, could you describe the building and room that you are in? Is it a multi-story building? Does it have a steel frame construction? Is it downtown? Dick W. Tom Ray wrote: ...incidentally, I am presently listening to an HD signal at my desk, where the analog signal is far too noisy to listen to...And I can park under overpasses on the Jersey Turnpike and listen to our HD signal where the analog is very noisy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 13 11:19:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16687 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2006 19:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2006 19:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2006 19:19:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2006 19:19:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2006 19:19:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:19:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.94.239 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=e-nMzsYFxLKyvpb_fWNcZ8uCmaJfkoyjq7zRB7zEpy4_Tizg X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > > > Return AM to the community with community owned and run=20 broadcasters.=20 > > Return radio to the Little Guys! >=20 > But the FCC won't be able to make any $ off of that.... There's this little thing called the "First Amendment"- Sure you've=20 heard of it- that trumps that, since it's supposed to allow all people=20 the opportunity to independently express themselves on what is supposed=20 to be the PUBLIC's airwaves. In a Nation that is supposed to be OF the people, FOR the people, BY=20 the people, it is thus that such media centralisation disenfranchises=20 ALL the people of this democraticly-elected republic, which violates=20 not only the letter of the law that governs this Nation, but the very=20 spirit of America, and what it means to be American. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bob_welch550@yahoo.com Fri Jan 13 11:39:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob_welch550@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71288 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2006 19:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2006 19:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2006 19:39:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2006 19:39:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2006 19:39:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2006 19:39:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:39:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.163.51.133 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: HD Limitations on AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213592090; y=7bpIQpu5NAcDOSdGeIZjAE8fhQia-KjoKhjkSELXKoipTUDaS1C3 X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Hi Bill, Unfortunately the FCC isn't in the business of slapping fines on=20 anyone anymore. Neither are they at all interested in enforcing=20 their own printed rules. At least as far as interference is=20 concerned, far too many Amateur Radio Operators in Manassas,=20 Virginia know this with respect to a company trying to send=20 broadband internet over the powerlines. In short the outfit was told=20 to stay within Part 15, but over the past 3 years or so aren't.=20=20 ARRL.org has the scoop on that one. Bob at WDEV-Waterbury, VT kb1evv=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" =20 wrote: > > * HD Radio is not in-band, as it causes interference to adjacent=20 > channels with a hissing sound, thus causing reception to be=20 degraded=20 > on those stations. The FCC should not tolerate this interference.=20 We=20 > are required now to stay on our assigned frequency. If we stray=20 from=20 > our band, FCC inspectors would fine us. Even a harmonic can get us=20 > in trouble. It should be no different with HD Radio. >=20 > I read this material on a web site that had to with some of the=20 Kahn=20 > system AM material. If true, it pretty disturbing about IBOC.=20=20 Can=20 > someone comment on this? >=20 > 1. as to interference caused on AM by IBOC >=20 > This interference can be detected even at great distances in other=20 > cities. Of course, if all the 50 kW stations install HD Radio, it=20 > could wipe out thousands of lesser-powered stations across the=20 > United States. Canada already has voiced concerns about the=20 > interference to their stations. >=20 > 2. 5 khz? Excuse me, but this is nuts. Does Clear Channel want=20 > to turn AM into a utility power management medium? My factory=20 Ford=20 > AM stereo radio sure as heck has better than 6 khz. response. >=20 >=20 > * Clear Channel and Ibiquity are championing a 5 kHz bandwidth=20 > reduction. Their reasoning, though they deny it, is to give more=20 > room for HD Radio. Also, they claim that no radios are capable of=20 > wide-band above 5-6 kHz. This is incorrect, and there are radios=20 > capable of wide-band - GE Super Radios, Grundig and others. I was=20 > always under the impression that AM radio was to reach par with FM=20 > radio at 15 kHz. Additionally, the analog stations would not be=20 able=20 > to broadcast in stereo. It will be years before IBOC even=20 approaches=20 > 10 percent of the 800 million radios. Meanwhile, all the AM analog=20 > stations would be handicapped with inferior broadcast systems.=20 Talk=20 > about a disaster. >=20 >=20 > 3. Finally, I am told that AM broadcasters are not able to air=20 > IBOC at night. It causes interference and this dilemma has not=20 been=20 > solved yet. Is this true? >=20 > For these and other reasons, my AM Stereo is sounding better all=20 > the time. > From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Jan 13 14:03:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49210 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2006 22:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2006 22:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2006 22:03:12 -0000 Received: from [4.247.120.106] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ExX0p-0006BJ-Hz for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:03:12 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22006151322339578@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.112.0 (Windows) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:03:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6efbaf92bebc212bd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bca32cde9f791726c698ce0558bfc7610f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: dwtpa97@earthlink.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959; y=GYCW3BuCVqtuFUbpb2uBB4JnDOCn1cx0jQPUVPAy_-WXVQ One thing that we frequently forget - when the Bill of Rights and Constitution were created, there was no such thing as big corporations. The fear at that time was of big government in one form or another (a well-founded fear, of course). But it is likely that if these documents were being framed today, these documents would also contain provisions protecting citizens from the undue power of big corporations, and perhaps from the fact that large multi-national corporations have no allegience to to the U.S. or any particular country. These corporations really don't care which countries survive or fail, as long as the business environment remains favorable to their interests. Dick W. > [Original Message] > From: Amy Mousie > To: > Date: 1/13/2006 2:19:44 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your input please on an AM STEREO editorial letter going to broadcast > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > > > > > Return AM to the community with community owned and run > broadcasters. > > > Return radio to the Little Guys! > > > > But the FCC won't be able to make any $ off of that.... > > There's this little thing called the "First Amendment"- Sure you've > heard of it- that trumps that, since it's supposed to allow all people > the opportunity to independently express themselves on what is supposed > to be the PUBLIC's airwaves. > > In a Nation that is supposed to be OF the people, FOR the people, BY > the people, it is thus that such media centralisation disenfranchises > ALL the people of this democraticly-elected republic, which violates > not only the letter of the law that governs this Nation, but the very > spirit of America, and what it means to be American. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > From kya1260@lycos.com Fri Jan 13 17:00:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13063 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2006 01:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2006 01:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2006 01:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 4037218002BB for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:00:17 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 14 Jan 2006 01:00:17 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2B6AA3384B; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:00:17 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: yipeitsdjj@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:00:17 -0800 Received: from [70.133.186.101] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:00:17 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060114010017.2B6AA3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: {AMSF} RIAA threat to H.D.!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=Zd85S9uGb_Y1zcQixBkUoQDu_s9DW7sCS46L3bj12o_NbOhmkw X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ WOW! Should've seen this coming!=20 The article below from the January 13, 2006 (interesting date)=20 Radio Business Report... --jay N A B sees R I A A threat to H.D. Radio N A B President & C E O David Rehr has written to Mitch Bainwol,=20 Chairman & C E O of the Recording Industry Association of America=20 (R I A A), seeking cooperation on a way to address R I A A's=20 concerns about content and copyright protection - without scrapping=20 everything that's been done to date to roll out H.D. Radio.=20 Rehr complains that some of the proposals put forth by R I A A would=20 simply be unacceptable to broadcasters. "For instance, R I A A has=20 previously suggested broadly empowering the F C C to mandate that all=20 radio broadcasters encrypt their digital content at the source.=20 This approach is antithetical to the concept of free, over-the-air=20 broadcasting. No U.S. free, over-the-air broadcast service, analog or=20 digital, has ever been required to encrypt its transmissions," the=20 letter said.=20 Rehr said mandatory encryption would likely render obsolete all=20 H D Radio receivers already on the market and set back broadcasters=20 who are broadcasting in H D or preparing to do so.=20 But while N A B is strongly opposed to R I A A's encryption proposal,=20 Rehr said there appear to be other possibilities for a technological=20 fix that would satisfy R I A A's copyright concerns.=20 He's asking that R I A A meet with members of the N A B's Audio=20 Broadcast Flag Taskforce to try to work things out. --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jan 14 11:14:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51683 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2006 19:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2006 19:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2006 19:14:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 71230 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2006 19:14:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20060114191430.71228.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.240.155.122] by web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:14:30 PST Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:14:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1137239145.267.92481.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: N A B sees R I A A threat to H.D. Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=sS5qqWHs5weQ5uDajqf1_S2Iyw8LkTmv3vXjFSZrnyzkf3kAKW8NaJs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio "N A B sees R I A A threat to H.D. Radio" -There you go - RIAA can kill IBOC/HD Radio faster than you can say "Leonard Kahn"... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kya1260@lycos.com Sat Jan 14 15:42:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9407 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2006 23:42:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2006 23:42:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2006 23:42:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 1DB451800134 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:42:05 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 14 Jan 2006 23:42:05 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 160A1CA096; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:42:05 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:42:05 -0800 Received: from [69.111.132.52] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:42:05 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060114234205.160A1CA096@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} N A B sees R I A A threat to H.D. Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=wn-3ps5PlBlGGdm3Of0_BKZqHzZxNMKBq4ACwMYemPp147dZVg X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ "John P." sez: > -There you go - RIAA can kill IBOC/HD Radio faster than you=20 > can say "Leonard Kahn"... R.I.A.A.: a "non-profit" organization that also put a crimp on internet broadcasting with its issues on royalty fees... Which is why K V O N / K V Y N are not broadcasting online. --jay P.S. - Following the flood two weeks ago, KVON 1440 is going=20 back to full-power soon (5 kw-D, 1 kw-N, DA-2), but its AM-stereo=20 exciter is still not working, so it'll be down awhile... --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Jan 14 17:53:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+3QR5+23+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56022 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2006 01:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2006 01:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2006 01:53:57 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.143]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 45783733 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:50:22 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c61976$d8055020$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060114010017.2B6AA3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:56:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Content: cid=309(2.0) =2.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 1, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.143 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RIAA threat to H.D.!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=ihhpcM3msWwEHEoJpXKncKUD1NjXQNtkNZkrBOVEIn8rfh7YOKUf X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If you think there's too much talk radio now, just wait til this starts to blow up even bigger, because that's one way the big corporates are going to get around this. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Arnold" > > But while N A B is strongly opposed to R I A A's encryption proposal, > Rehr said there appear to be other possibilities for a technological > fix that would satisfy R I A A's copyright concerns. > > He's asking that R I A A meet with members of the N A B's Audio > Broadcast Flag Taskforce to try to work things out. From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sat Jan 14 18:12:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+3QR5+23+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25502 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2006 02:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2006 02:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2006 02:12:52 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.143]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 45785368 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:57:46 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c61977$e142eca0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000d01c617f8$01ff3ab0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:03:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Content: cid=309(2.0) =2.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.143 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Limitations on AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=zbW6zIkK0NGwOUWe18FRQt7wjV5c3rnsfSSif6JG-kwqufCIffAU X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude At the rate they're moving AM stations to the FM band, they may be solving their own complaint. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" > As for Canada, what are they going to do, nuke Washington or perhaps > whipp-up a Canadian version of Radio Marti? > As Tom said, they have no choice. North America has but one capitol, and > it's ain't in Ontario or Quebec. From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Jan 15 10:03:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41041 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2006 18:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2006 18:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2006 18:03:44 -0000 Received: from fl-71-53-156-110.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.53.156.110] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EyCAY-0007Ma-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:59:58 -0500 Message-ID: <011e01c619fd$7fe5ba60$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <000d01c617f8$01ff3ab0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:59:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Limitations on AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=eUEj0CRkIHXK9zW0zDG3VG6HhfXfHwZPwELgB6jrO84BLhSvoNeUvhiJZ01MLA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jim Burgan wrote: > As for Canada, what are they going to do, nuke Washington or perhaps > whipp-up a Canadian version of Radio Marti? Now THAT is a great idea! I sure do miss listening to CHWO on 740, so let's turn AM 740 into a "Border Blaster"! The whole group can take up donations to buy CHWO a new Delta C-QUAM setup and a Nautel NA300 or Harris DX-200. If Canada will not allow this, we can set it up as a synchronous transmitter on the Turks & Caicos Islands next to Radio Visión Cristiana. > > As Tom said, they have no choice. North America has but one capitol, and > it's ain't in Ontario or Quebec. There are a LOT of people who would highly disagree on that one! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kya1260@lycos.com Sun Jan 15 10:38:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25206 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2006 18:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2006 18:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2006 18:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 663ED18001BD for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:36:22 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 15 Jan 2006 18:36:22 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5F55FCA097; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:36:22 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 10:36:22 -0800 Received: from [69.110.144.118] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 10:36:22 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060115183622.5F55FCA097@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RIAA threat to H.D.!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=80PN0oii_ZWWqOsJAK5BsuLWb6bvQhxE1yv1fhxn1uSwBYggog X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ However, if talk shows continue using any 'bumpers' of music,=20 as is common to use to and from a commercial break, they STILL have to pay royalties to the R I A A for that privilege! Rush Limbaugh, for one, commented at least a few times in the late-1980s about how he pays royalties to use his opening theme, the Pretenders' 'My City Was Gone' (on the flip side of their=20 hit 'Back On The Chain Gang')... --jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RIAA threat to H.D.!! Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:56:00 -0600 >=20 > If you think there's too much talk radio now, just wait til this starts t= o > blow up even bigger, because that's one way the big corporates are going = to > get around this. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay Arnold" > > > > But while N A B is strongly opposed to R I A A's encryption proposal, > > Rehr said there appear to be other possibilities for a technological > > fix that would satisfy R I A A's copyright concerns. > > > > He's asking that R I A A meet with members of the N A B's Audio > > Broadcast Flag Taskforce to try to work things out. What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jan 15 11:07:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91639 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2006 19:07:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2006 19:07:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2006 19:07:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 69459 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2006 19:06:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20060115190658.69457.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.130] by web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:06:58 PST Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:06:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <011e01c619fd$7fe5ba60$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Limitations on AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=S3B5mqr2aVG8NaIktlW8NJvyNslGVEtn53bdH--F5nY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Now THAT is a great idea! I sure do miss listening > to CHWO on 740, so let's > turn AM 740 into a "Border Blaster"! The whole group > can take up donations > to buy CHWO a new Delta C-QUAM setup and a Nautel > NA300 or Harris DX-200. If > Canada will not allow this, we can set it up as a > synchronous transmitter on > the Turks & Caicos Islands next to Radio Visión > Cristiana. No, a DX-2000 would be better. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 15 12:01:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64000 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2006 20:01:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2006 20:01:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2006 20:01:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2006 20:01:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2006 20:01:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:01:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <011e01c619fd$7fe5ba60$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.0.155 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Limitations on AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=ZXjJJ2pdO1ZKrfyvvfEN6SaxAwjo6fYD_yxIBj8c-Gj3nIb0 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter"=20 wrote: > > As Tom said, they have no choice. North America has but one=20 capitol, and=20 > > it's ain't in Ontario or Quebec. >=20 > There are a LOT of people who would highly disagree on that one! What's sad is this is a very typical American attitude- The same=20 Americans who have no idea what really goes on in our neighbour up=20 north. Another thing not realised is that America did make several attempts=20 to annex Canada, and failed rather miserably. Canada has steadfastly=20 managed to maintain its independence from the US over the years, and=20 still does, even through political shakeups (like the current=20 parlimentary elections) and Quebec's various attempts of secession.=20 And no, things haven't always been cordial between our nations, even=20 ovber the last couple decades, and few Canadians would ever consider=20 their country "America North" (usually laughing about how little=20 Americans DO know their neighbour). Now, insofar as Canadian AM radio is concerned, I think the migration=20 to FM has slowed down, as I don't seem to be losing Canadians over=20 the last couple years or so when bandscanning. But Canada has refused=20 to go for IBOC, especially because of interference issues. Right now,=20 Canada seems to be taking a "wait and see" approach over the issue of=20 IBOC on AM from their neighbour to the south. Should IBOC be fully=20 implemented, then expect Canada to take legal, political and economic=20 action to reverse such efforts- And Canada can, too, being one of our=20 most important trading partners. (Furthest Canadian AM I can still get is Regina, Saskachewan's CBC=20 Radio 1 on 540. Most of what I get is BC and Albertan stations.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Jan 15 12:27:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79463 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2006 20:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2006 20:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2006 20:27:37 -0000 Received: from fl-71-53-156-110.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.53.156.110] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EyEM5-0007Xj-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:20:02 -0500 Message-ID: <013a01c61a11$10a801d0$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060115190658.69457.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:20:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: 740 CHWO As A Border Blaster Was: HD Limitations on AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=q7n2Uc8flCrq_MZh0HNtqs1_DFXZDwU-RwRhCwnQGth-fjt4G58UYValnz77Ag X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > No, a DX-2000 would be better. I will volunteer to do the engineering then put it together and make it work in C-QUAM! 2 Megawatts Non-D should do a nice job of putting a quiet "City Grade" Stereo signal over Central Florida! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Jan 15 13:33:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20105 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2006 21:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2006 21:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm43.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2006 21:33:04 -0000 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.65]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k0FLX0an019866 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:33:01 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.22.243.193] Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-193.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.193]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k0FLWrvR095376 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:32:57 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c61a1b$40c1ce00$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <20060115183622.5F55FCA097@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:32:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0603-0, 01/15/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RIAA threat to H.D.!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=SoUMF_7QHst73pV0tWxwoa_CB2D5LHLrwHrEhwEDHU6-hvo X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Rush Limbaugh, for one, commented at least a few times in the > late-1980s about how he pays royalties to use his opening theme, > the Pretenders' 'My City Was Gone' (on the flip side of their > hit 'Back On The Chain Gang')... Back is those days Rush incorporated a lot of music into his program. In a typical hour would play Clarence "Frogman" Henry's, "Ain't Got No Home", The Fifth Dimension's, "Up Up and Away" and John William's, "Darth Vader's Theme" from Star Wars. There are multitudes of royalty-free production libraries, and several talk-radio packages, also available royalty-free. -Jim- From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Jan 15 14:13:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93960 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2006 22:13:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2006 22:13:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2006 22:13:45 -0000 Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.218]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k0FMDdri008550 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:13:39 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.22.243.193] Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-193.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.193]) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k0FMDdh3171344 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:13:43 -0500 Message-ID: <003f01c61a20$f2c7bdd0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:13:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0603-0, 01/15/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Limitations on AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=nqrtt7SmSzpuT1WiKxWTzN55H8RI2lGGtaEcy4vUP832CHk X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Tom Ray wrote: > However, please explain to me why AMS is so much better than HD, > seeing, as you have stated, "You are still tacking your data onto > a carrier wave that will not penetrate buildings or overpasses or > tunnels, and subjected to severe skywave interference at night." I am in the minority on this group. I believe AM Stereo had it's shot and failed. I believe it's use will continue to decline and has done so to the point of being insignificant. I subscribe to this UseNet group because I like the way AMS sounds. The best sounding AM station I have ever heard is WZZB (owned by Susquehanna) in Seymour Indiana... and it still sounds fabulous today. They are a soft AC and they transmit using C-Quam AM Stereo and it sounds better than most FM's around here. WZZB is a 1KW station on 1390KHz and they have no problem sounding great within the city of license (or even at my house 25 miles away). You guys want to replace that with a low bitrate codec that, if put side-to-side with WZZB's current airchain, wouldn't sound half as good. I believe it is the product that sells, but if we are going to overhaul the system, at the very least we should get something that actually sounds better and we should get something that works at night. IBOC does neither. > Jim Burgan wrote: > As for Canada, what are they going to do, nuke Washington or perhaps > whipp-up a Canadian version of Radio Marti? > As Tom said, they have no choice. North America has but one capitol, and > it's ain't in Ontario or Quebec Please everyone, understand I was joking when I wrote the above. I was making fun of the attitude's of others, not representing my own feelings. I hope Canada does everything they can to stop IBOC. They have long-since chosen Eureka 147 as their digital delivery transport and they seem to have no interest in IBOC, except for the illegal interference. -Jim- From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jan 15 15:14:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+3QR5+23+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62469 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2006 23:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2006 23:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2006 23:14:14 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.48]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 46146822 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:14:13 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c61a2a$0f94dac0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060115183622.5F55FCA097@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:18:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Content: cid=309(2.0) =2.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 10, in=18, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.48 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RIAA threat to H.D.!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=NAgZuw1mJQ7APDoUGmt_yt7au_4LOMivLjjMvZeshts3gdiF_G8j X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude True, but it's more of a flat rate and FAR less onerous than the usual ASCAP/BMI/SESAC licensing. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Arnold" > However, if talk shows continue using any 'bumpers' of music, > as is common to use to and from a commercial break, they > STILL have to pay royalties to the R I A A for that privilege! > From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jan 15 15:33:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+3QR5+23+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79823 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2006 23:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2006 23:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2006 23:33:55 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.217.48]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 43401222 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:30:24 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c61a2c$75ea2440$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000d01c617f8$01ff3ab0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> <011e01c619fd$7fe5ba60$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:36:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Content: cid=309(2.0) =2.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 25, in=15, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.217.48 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Limitations on AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=Dg38JcCJgXmYYJj3PJr70J5eYKSxWWJz0aX0ZpjWP-hibbGFlTq1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude With a few grandfathered exceptions, not even the Mexicans are running that kind of power anymore. IIRC the maximum is 100kW day/50kW night. We'd have to buy ourselves our own Carribean island to pull anything like this off. The biggest headache would be generating the power for such a beast. TWR quit running that 500kW rig on Bonaire years ago. I admit it would be fun if something like this could be pulled off. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > Jim Burgan wrote: > > As for Canada, what are they going to do, nuke Washington or perhaps > > whipp-up a Canadian version of Radio Marti? > > Now THAT is a great idea! I sure do miss listening to CHWO on 740, so let's > turn AM 740 into a "Border Blaster"! The whole group can take up donations > to buy CHWO a new Delta C-QUAM setup and a Nautel NA300 or Harris DX-200. From wnmb@sc.rr.com Sun Jan 15 18:34:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28801 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2006 02:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2006 02:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2006 02:34:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2006 02:34:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2006 02:34:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:34:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003f01c61a20$f2c7bdd0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Limitations on AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=VYsHlNzn1mvxg8aZBHqYuq4teav-M8AUN-OtG8J790LZtA X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 I am in the minority on this group. I believe AM Stereo had it's=20 shot and=20 > failed. I believe it's use will continue to decline and has done=20 so to the=20 > point of being insignificant. ** I disagree with this statement. AM Stereo has never truly had=20 its day. First, due to the ineptitude of the FCC in failing to=20 adopt a standard system on a timely basis. Second, on failing to=20 adopt receiver standards. And now, third, on the timidity of many=20 broadcasters to adopt it when we finally do have a standard. It=20 is this third thing we can do something about. Tom writes about interference, skywaves, etc. But let's not forget=20 the strengths of AM analog including superior coverage overall. As=20 to skywave, I've always thought it was mighty nice to be able to=20 tune in Lousiville, Ky. or New York city or Chicago in my little=20 rural Southern town. If you want to talk about problems, let's talk about the 32 bit=20 data rate for AM. Again, second class to FM at a much greater bit=20=20 rate. Yes, there will be digital in the future....but why can't AM=20 broadcasters give it their best for analog too, becasue there are=20 many years left for its use. I think if we wait for digital and AM=20 equality there, we'll all be dead before it arrives. Just my opinion. WOR is to be congratualted for its digital investment. Can't it=20 afford to give its analog listeners something better too? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" =20 wrote: > > > Tom Ray wrote: > > However, please explain to me why AMS is so much better than HD, > > seeing, as you have stated, "You are still tacking your data onto > > a carrier wave that will not penetrate buildings or overpasses or > > tunnels, and subjected to severe skywave interference at night." >=20 > I am in the minority on this group. I believe AM Stereo had it's=20 shot and=20 > failed. I believe it's use will continue to decline and has done=20 so to the=20 > point of being insignificant. > I subscribe to this UseNet group because I like the way AMS sounds. > The best sounding AM station I have ever heard is WZZB (owned by=20 > Susquehanna) in Seymour Indiana... and it still sounds fabulous=20 today. > They are a soft AC and they transmit using C-Quam AM Stereo and it=20 sounds=20 > better than most FM's around here. WZZB is a 1KW station on=20 1390KHz and=20 > they have no problem sounding great within the city of license (or=20 even at=20 > my house 25 miles away). > You guys want to replace that with a low bitrate codec that, if=20 put=20 > side-to-side with WZZB's current airchain, wouldn't sound half as=20 good. I=20 > believe it is the product that sells, but if we are going to=20 overhaul the=20 > system, at the very least we should get something that actually=20 sounds=20 > better and we should get something that works at night. IBOC does=20 neither. >=20 > > Jim Burgan wrote: > > As for Canada, what are they going to do, nuke Washington or=20 perhaps > > whipp-up a Canadian version of Radio Marti? > > As Tom said, they have no choice. North America has but one=20 capitol, and > > it's ain't in Ontario or Quebec >=20 > Please everyone, understand I was joking when I wrote the above. > I was making fun of the attitude's of others, not representing my=20 own=20 > feelings. > I hope Canada does everything they can to stop IBOC. > They have long-since chosen Eureka 147 as their digital delivery=20 transport=20 > and they seem to have no interest in IBOC, except for the illegal=20 > interference. > -Jim- > From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Jan 15 20:54:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49028 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2006 04:54:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2006 04:54:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2006 04:54:39 -0000 Received: from fl-71-53-156-110.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.53.156.110] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EyMK5-0002fs-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:50:29 -0500 Message-ID: <01f501c61a58$5fae71f0$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <000d01c617f8$01ff3ab0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> <011e01c619fd$7fe5ba60$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> <003301c61a2c$75ea2440$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:50:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Limitations on AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=yZY13pU4P0woFTFhrtirlXWIp5z2IycXS095XYiPIzYHWmWWRxhgZLh-q9u-Wg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd" > With a few grandfathered exceptions, not even the Mexicans are running > that kind of power anymore. IIRC the maximum is 100kW day/50kW night. Radio Taino is running 300KW on 830 and 1180. Radio Rebelde is running 150KW on 670 and 710. Radio Antilles is running 100KW on 930 Caribbean Beacon is running 200KW on 1610 > >We'd have to buy ourselves our own Carribean island to pull anything like >this off. The biggest headache would be generating the power for such a >beast. We would have to be sure the island had a good place for a hydro-electric plant. > >I admit it would be fun if something like this could be pulled off. LOL Yes it would! We could OWN the night time air! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Jan 16 08:49:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13043 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2006 16:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2006 16:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2006 16:49:43 -0000 Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.218]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k0GGnZri009482 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:49:35 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.22.243.193] Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-193.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.193]) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k0GGnZne137906 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:49:40 -0500 Message-ID: <002401c61abc$d5c7e920$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:49:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0603-1, 01/16/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Limitations on AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=gYIvxYH33ngAythLcazaMzsPmWUCwj_KFCO1-yJGMctgf1c X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > ** I disagree with this statement. AM Stereo has never truly had > its day. First, due to the ineptitude of the FCC in failing to > adopt a standard system on a timely basis. Second, on failing to > adopt receiver standards. And now, third, on the timidity of many > broadcasters to adopt it when we finally do have a standard. It > is this third thing we can do something about. I won't dispute what you say...Everything you say is true, but that doesn't change my statement. AM Stereo did have it's day. It might not have been a fair launch, and it may have been a total cluster-bomb, but it did have it's chance and the public was apathetic at best. By the time a standard had been agreed to, music had migrated to FM. Other than an occasional victory, AM Stereo's dying a long slow death which continues to this day. Unfortunately, AM-IBOC will probably increase the decline since it isn't possible for C-Quam and IBOC to reside on the same carrier. It I love the technology and I wish it had been as successful as FM -Multiplex, but it didn't happen. I will cherish every day I have listening to great music with great processing in AM Stereo on WZZB. Perhaps the cost of upgrading to IBOC will prohibit it from making it to a small AM Daytimer in Seymour Indiana, but it wouldn't surprise me if the 5KHz audio limit is passed on to all AM stations. -Jim- From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Mon Jan 16 10:26:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91947 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2006 18:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2006 18:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.224) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2006 18:26:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n4.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2006 18:25:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2006 18:25:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2006 18:25:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:25:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002401c61abc$d5c7e920$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.63.75 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Limitations on AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=fLHmMuyprpypCJ22OssNZY17vE2PJg-zHzEJPCLMgnZcEzWzxWF04Q X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > > ** I disagree with this statement. AM Stereo has never truly had > > its day. First, due to the ineptitude of the FCC in failing to > > adopt a standard system on a timely basis. Second, on failing to > > adopt receiver standards. And now, third, on the timidity of many > > broadcasters to adopt it when we finally do have a standard. It > > is this third thing we can do something about. >=20 > I won't dispute what you say...Everything you say is true, but that doesn= 't=20 > change my statement. AM Stereo did have it's day. It might not have bee= n a=20 > fair launch, and it may have been a total cluster-bomb, but it did have i= t's=20 > chance and the public was apathetic at best.=20=20 I don't agree that it was public apathy to AMS. It was more a case of publi= c ignorance. I=20 don't think the average person even knew (or knows) about AM stereo. =20=20 For this broadcasters must share some of the blame. Hardly any station who= was running=20 C-Quam ever advertised the fact. KABC and KFOX in Los Angeles still doesn'= t.=20 Why do you think iBiquity and the IBOC early adopters are so panic-driven t= o ramp up a=20 publicity campaign for HD radio? It's to avoid repeating history, AMS hist= ory. Already the=20 public is equating digital radio with satellite. So these groups have to ba= ttle that=20 perception. Thankfully, unlike DTV, the FCC is not mandating that all radio stations co= nvert to IBOC.=20=20 That may change, of course. But for a lot of small market stations that ar= e just covering=20 their expenses, converting to IBOC is neither financially possible or even = fiscally sound.=20 Would an AM station be justified in charging more per spot simply because t= hey're=20 broadcasting digitally? I doubt it. For small market AM stations, AMS is a relatively inexpensive way for them = to compete=20 sonically. It beats being part of the "thin the herd" proposal Radio World= put forward. So I applaud Bill Norman for saying it loud and proud that his station is b= roadcasting in=20 AM stereo. If more stations would turn on their C-Quam equipment or conver= t to it and=20 advertise that they are in stereo, it might very well raise public awarenes= s of and a demand=20 for AMS. db From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 16 11:54:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85636 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2006 19:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2006 19:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2006 19:54:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2006 19:53:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2006 19:53:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:53:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002401c61abc$d5c7e920$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.29.92 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Limitations on AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=ozr73Zmd23zs44xjBHKT0nnABdWu5x-Fmd_MxpJ5Q5NgdDaN X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > > ** I disagree with this statement. AM Stereo has never truly had > > its day. First, due to the ineptitude of the FCC in failing to > > adopt a standard system on a timely basis. Second, on failing to > > adopt receiver standards. And now, third, on the timidity of many > > broadcasters to adopt it when we finally do have a standard. It > > is this third thing we can do something about. >=20 > I won't dispute what you say...Everything you say is true, but that=20 doesn't=20 > change my statement. AM Stereo did have it's day. It might not=20 have been a=20 > fair launch, and it may have been a total cluster-bomb, but it did=20 have it's=20 > chance and the public was apathetic at best. By the time a=20 standard had=20 > been agreed to, music had migrated to FM. Other than an occasional=20 victory,=20 > AM Stereo's dying a long slow death which continues to this day.=20 I would not say "apathetic", since AMS promotions WERE successful=20 during the introduction of AMS through to the time the music=20 migration started in earnest (1984-1987 was the timeframe). But you=20 see, that's when the listeners DID hear about AM stereo- Which most=20 of the time, they didn't, and that's where the failure came in.=20 Simply put, the average AM listener at that time had no clue it=20 existed. Add to that that there was NO mechanism available then (as=20 now) for even stations to know if they're being heard in AM stereo.=20 Had there been, things might've been VERY different. But let's put it in perspective, shall we? I think you'd be VERY=20 surprised. Currently, the estimate for the number of AMS receivers in operation=20 is about the same as it was in 1993, when the FCC did make a receiver=20 estimate-- About 10% of the total number of radios in use. Back then,=20 portable radios and home tuners were more common than they are now-=20 It's more skewed towards car stereos, now. But it's still 10%. And,=20 well, since the estimate is 1 billion receivers, now... Well.. :) Now, let's look at other media- How long did it take to take off?=20 Well... Colour TV started in 1953, if you count from the FCC's second=20 decision of a colour standard. Itg wasn't until about 1975 that=20 colour TV receivers began to dominate the market. FM stereo took shorter- From 1962, it began, but it wasn't until 1968=20 that interest in FM stereo with the underground and album rock=20 stations....but it wasn't until 1975 that FM receivers (and FM=20 stereo) really took off, when FM pop music stations started=20 dominating their markets, and by 1978, FM finally dominated AM. And now, TV stereo... Introduced in 1985, MTS stereo was quickly=20 adopted by TV broadcasters, which by now, about 90% (at least) of all=20 broadcasting stations broadcast in stereo. However, and this is the=20 kicker.... TV stereo has NOT domiinated the TV/VCR markets! Right=20 now, MTS stereo enjoys a whopping 15% receiver saturation! Finally, RDS... Introduced around 1988, it has languished in=20 obscurity, and almost disap;peared by 2000... Now, just about every=20 big-chain broadcaster (and just about everyone else on the FM dial)=20 has adopted RDS, with a growing number of receivers, notably OEM car=20 receivers, capable of RDS displays. (Like AMS, there are VERY few=20 portable/home tuners that use RDS- You'd actually have to import one=20 from the UK! However, unlike AMS, you can get aftermarket car radios=20 with RDS here in America.) So, where does that leave AMS? Simple: Don't count AMS out! Yes, we're down from an estimated peak of 600 C- QUAM stations prior to the '96 Telecommunications Act, but there HAVE=20 been new AMS stations over the last few years, and for once, a new=20 mini-boom in broadcasters just in the last few months, with more=20 expected. We've hit bottom (at 113) already, but it's grown by 10%=20 already. Also, since so many are starting to balk at IBOC, IBOC does=20 not look promising...nevermind the vaporware receivers.... AM stereo is not dead, it's being rediscovered. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bossmsx@gmail.com Mon Jan 16 16:21:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5703 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2006 00:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2006 00:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2006 00:21:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2006 00:20:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2006 00:20:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:20:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.148.128.233 From: "Anthony" Subject: Re: The oldest AM Transmitter to have AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=225799755; y=sT3K7SaITEoItJCsxIKbZULxJjV8LIgUscsgzaTfvgu3ZDJQe3oK X-Yahoo-Profile: radiosanchez Maybe this was already covered in the thread, but I kinda 'poked' around and saw the subject so I'm joining in late, but didn't KSL in SLC have a Western Electric transmitter from the 30s when they were running Kahn/Hazeltine AM Stereo in the 80s?? --Tony S./Miami From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 16 20:55:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75536 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2006 04:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2006 04:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2006 04:55:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2006 04:55:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2006 04:55:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 04:55:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.29.92 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: "Satellite", not "digital". X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=-36qse0QTkADEKinG4yUTU9CJ0d5ht69uEFwA7PJ6n7nv4jf X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Well, after reading this article on Yahoo! News, http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060116/ts_alt_afp/afpentertainmentusradios atellite_060115161248 ...We see just how satellite radio is booming. Note, the article does not mention "digital". In fact, while satellite=20 radio is certainly digital, most of the time I don't hear "digital"=20 associated with it...except from the IBOC supporters. Most consumers hear "satellite", not "digital". Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (One of XM's 9 million subscribers, coming in somewhere at #3,120.000=20 or thereabouts.) From starship_2001@msn.com Tue Jan 17 03:29:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57366 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2006 11:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2006 11:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2006 11:29:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:29:32 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.13 by BAY106-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:29:31 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:29:31 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2006 11:29:32.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[499998C0:01C61B59] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.73 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Satellite", not "digital". X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=c-DodbRQacnhPWPddfdFbGGwSnpgxyXIaR42_wMMUUTq_vOWlzY13AAoNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 XM has a little over 6 million subs. Sirius has around 3 million. Together both services have a combined totoal of around 9 million. -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie Sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:55:16 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} "Satellite", not "digital". Well, after reading this article on Yahoo! News, http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060116/ts_alt_afp/afpentertainmentusradios atellite_060115161248 ..We see just how satellite radio is booming. Note, the article does not mention "digital". In fact, while satellite radio is certainly digital, most of the time I don't hear "digital" associated with it...except from the IBOC supporters. Most consumers hear "satellite", not "digital". Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (One of XM's 9 million subscribers, coming in somewhere at #3,120.000 or thereabouts.) Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From wnmb@sc.rr.com Tue Jan 17 05:53:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72574 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2006 13:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2006 13:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2006 13:53:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2006 13:51:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2006 13:51:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:51:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.199.186.206 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: We are hearing from AM STEREO fans and Listeners! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=NL9JMXhWXQfwEHUcZiKuBzrsHogQBHV5IPAAc33VRr8ZFg X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 I am attaching an e-mail we received at WNMB yesterday. It is not=20 the first, and since our conversion to AM STEREO, we have heard from=20 a number of listeners who can hear us in Stereo. It is very=20 encouraging, not to mention the perception in the community which is=20 also created by moving forward with its promotion. wanted to ask. Where could I get an AM stereo tuner for my stereo=20 system=20 in the house? I have heard there are ones made by Radio Shack, is=20 that=20 so? I live in the upstate but frequently vacation in Myrtle Beach=20 and I=20 love your station. I always usually bring one of my extra stereo=20 receivers=20 and bookshelf speakers when I come to vacation. It would be neat if=20 I=20 could find some sort of AM Stereo receiver to hook up to my=20 receiver/amp.=20 when I vacation. I am not sure when I will get back down at the=20 present=20 time but I wanted to know where I might find some sorta of AM Stereo=20 tuner=20 to hook up to my receiver/amp? Thanks and God Bless. Kevin Bell Greenville, South Carolina Listener When in Town on Vacation and Avid Listener via the internet=20 up=20 here in the upstate!! Keep on Rockin in AM STEREO! * Now, just imagine what would happen if other stations either=20 turned in back on and others installed AMS for the first time and=20 actually "promoted" it. I bet there's a lot of creativity out=20 there on the AM Band that's waiting to reappear.=20=20 From starship_2001@msn.com Tue Jan 17 06:27:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31940 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2006 14:27:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2006 14:27:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.96) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2006 14:27:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 06:23:41 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.15 by BAY106-DAV24.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:23:40 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:23:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2006 14:23:41.0149 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D5510D0:01C61B71] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} We are hearing from AM STEREO fans and Listeners! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=vj-M5NZ3AYHSxQEk1P7YkIirhZzXVmR3ij5bO4G904--EblzBbWYQOrUAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 I am hoping other stations DO turn it on . If this can be promoted enough and more AM stations go music AM stereo may get a second chance at the limelight. As of now it looks like the big blow torches are all going to go IBOC but if the small stations can band together and do AM stereo instead maybe we may have a chance provided the NRSC doesn't force the 5KHZ standard onto the little stations. As far as the AM stereo radio receiver we can order them new directly from Japan as they are hard to come by here in the states new for home / portable use. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Norman Sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 05:51:06 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} We are hearing from AM STEREO fans and Listeners! I am attaching an e-mail we received at WNMB yesterday. It is not the first, and since our conversion to AM STEREO, we have heard from a number of listeners who can hear us in Stereo. It is very encouraging, not to mention the perception in the community which is also created by moving forward with its promotion. wanted to ask. Where could I get an AM stereo tuner for my stereo system in the house? I have heard there are ones made by Radio Shack, is that so? I live in the upstate but frequently vacation in Myrtle Beach and I love your station. I always usually bring one of my extra stereo receivers and bookshelf speakers when I come to vacation. It would be neat if I could find some sort of AM Stereo receiver to hook up to my receiver/amp. when I vacation. I am not sure when I will get back down at the present time but I wanted to know where I might find some sorta of AM Stereo tuner to hook up to my receiver/amp? Thanks and God Bless. Kevin Bell Greenville, South Carolina Listener When in Town on Vacation and Avid Listener via the internet up here in the upstate!! Keep on Rockin in AM STEREO! * Now, just imagine what would happen if other stations either turned in back on and others installed AMS for the first time and actually "promoted" it. I bet there's a lot of creativity out there on the AM Band that's waiting to reappear. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Tue Jan 17 06:51:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6556 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2006 14:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2006 14:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.51.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2006 14:51:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 06:46:29 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:46:29 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:46:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2006 14:46:29.0893 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD2AD350:01C61B74] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.51.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: Re: {AMSF} We are hearing from AM STEREO fans and Listeners! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851; y=KstoXZN4qu9Lzcad17o_iQ5btxc3-bsUlctl3zRkhZc0_NbRQM6I X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Radio Shack did have AM stereo tuners several years ago, however, they are no longer made. The model number is TM-152 and shows up on E-bay once-in-a-while. Also, the MCS-3050 (once sold by J.C. Penney) frequently is on E-bay (there's been a few of these lately). Other than that there's the Japan Radio Company NRD-545 available through Universal Radio (list $2,000) with stereo lineout jacks for connecting to a stereo system. Link below: http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/commrxvr/1545.html Paul Crane, KC8YQQ Jackson, MI USA Part 15 transmitters on air 24/7: AM stereo 1250, FM stereo 88.3 ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Norbert 26" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} We are hearing from AM STEREO fans and Listeners! Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:23:40 GMT I am hoping other stations DO turn it on . If this can be promoted enough and more AM stations go music AM stereo may get a second chance at the limelight. As of now it looks like the big blow torches are all going to go IBOC but if the small stations can band together and do AM stereo instead maybe we may have a chance provided the NRSC doesn't force the 5KHZ standard onto the little stations. As far as the AM stereo radio receiver we can order them new directly from Japan as they are hard to come by here in the states new for home / portable use. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Norman Sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 05:51:06 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} We are hearing from AM STEREO fans and Listeners! I am attaching an e-mail we received at WNMB yesterday. It is not the first, and since our conversion to AM STEREO, we have heard from a number of listeners who can hear us in Stereo. It is very encouraging, not to mention the perception in the community which is also created by moving forward with its promotion. wanted to ask. Where could I get an AM stereo tuner for my stereo system in the house? I have heard there are ones made by Radio Shack, is that so? I live in the upstate but frequently vacation in Myrtle Beach and I love your station. I always usually bring one of my extra stereo receivers and bookshelf speakers when I come to vacation. It would be neat if I could find some sort of AM Stereo receiver to hook up to my receiver/amp. when I vacation. I am not sure when I will get back down at the present time but I wanted to know where I might find some sorta of AM Stereo tuner to hook up to my receiver/amp? Thanks and God Bless. Kevin Bell Greenville, South Carolina Listener When in Town on Vacation and Avid Listener via the internet up here in the upstate!! Keep on Rockin in AM STEREO! * Now, just imagine what would happen if other stations either turned in back on and others installed AMS for the first time and actually "promoted" it. I bet there's a lot of creativity out there on the AM Band that's waiting to reappear. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 12:24:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74253 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2006 20:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2006 20:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2006 20:24:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2006 20:23:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2006 20:23:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:23:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.5.175 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} We are hearing from AM STEREO fans and Listeners! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=jYF_mzUSZMGNrFEYR9BihnYqHEmqwBvmjWxASHxSzFW7stbq X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Crane" =20 wrote: > > Radio Shack did have AM stereo tuners several years ago, however,=20 they are=20 > no longer made. The model number is TM-152 and shows up on E-bay=20 > once-in-a-while. Also, the MCS-3050 (once sold by J.C. Penney)=20 frequently=20 > is on E-bay (there's been a few of these lately). RS, for a few years, also sold the Sony SRF-42, but hasn't since=20 about 1999. > Other than that there's the Japan Radio Company NRD-545 available=20 through=20 > Universal Radio (list $2,000) with stereo lineout jacks for=20 connecting to a=20 > stereo system. Link below: > http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/commrxvr/1545.html Supposedly, you could still get the Carver TX-11b- I haven't heard=20 otherwise. Also, Fanfare's FT-100 is the only other domasticly- available radio for retail. These three (with the Japan Radio NRD- 545) are all high-end receivers. (The Fanfare tuner is the ONLY AMAX- compliant AMS tuner available, although the GE SR3 is a mono AMAX=20 radio- That's the present extent of the now-defunct AMAX standard.) The only other way to get an AMS receiver domesticly is to get it OEM=20 via several car manufacturers. Or you could import Sony's home, car and portable receivers, through=20 places that specialise in Japanese electronicx imports, like=20 Audiocubes (who carry the Sony AMS portables). Or, you could do eBay, scavenge around the flea markets and used- goods stores, etc. They're out there, if you look. And finally, you could either build your own, convert an existing=20 tuner, or.... Buy handmade from Chris Cuff & Jeff Deck=20 (www.meduci.com)... :) True, it's sad you can't buy AMS off the shelf at your local Wal- Mart, Kmart or Target, but don't let that stop you- They're out=20 there, waiting for you to buy. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From baansy@yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 18:20:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95708 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 02:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2006 02:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 02:20:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 02:19:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 02:19:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:19:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 202.173.128.90 From: "baansy" Subject: 1053 2CA SOUND CHECK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728; y=KdzCUxp8Ntjk5vXEgs3E2_GRHm1dnIg0-JA2NyRPi4sQ X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy The 2CA website has been under construction for a long time now but=20 they are doing a survey at http://2ca.com.au/ to see what people like=20 and dislike about the station. I've told them that I like the fact they are still broadcasting in=20 stereo. The more people that tell them that the better don't you think?=20 From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Tue Jan 17 19:17:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38865 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 03:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2006 03:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO act-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au) (150.229.7.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 03:17:14 -0000 Received: from exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.56]) by act-ironport-ext-out3.csiro.au with ESMTP; 18 Jan 2006 14:17:05 +1100 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,378,1131282000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="77736237:sNHT37916200" Received: from exvicn2-mel.nexus.csiro.au ([138.194.3.62]) by exgw1-mel.nexus.csiro.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:17:04 +1100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:17:04 +1100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: {AMSF} 1053 2CA SOUND CHECK Thread-Index: AcYb1cWsHQER2nQFRb6ts/GbsITaHAABOxEg To: Return-Path: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2006 03:17:04.0796 (UTC) FILETIME=[A80FADC0:01C61BDD] X-Originating-IP: 150.229.7.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0 From: Subject: RE: {AMSF} 1053 2CA SOUND CHECK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933; y=qwDxy8J5dM4s-iHthBXEjVF-HA7WbWHhk49LFzZvolD2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: baansy Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2006 1:20 PM The 2CA website has been under construction for a long time now but they are doing a survey at http://2ca.com.au/ to see what people like and dislike about the station. I've told them that I like the fact they are still broadcasting in stereo. The more people that tell them that the better don't you think? Sure do! Good one Baansy. As I don't know and couldn't find out any local personalities - I had to vote for Bob Brown! :) Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Jan 17 21:44:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84918 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 05:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2006 05:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 05:44:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 05:43:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 05:43:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 05:43:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:43:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.142.210.54 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: 1053 2CA SOUND CHECK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=1eSmZcoWk_0hWFZn85PFdh2afZizaGQPJZ3caYWhU6s0YN3e3Lo9Uw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > >=20=20 > From: baansy > Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2006 1:20 PM >=20 >=20 > The 2CA website has been under construction for a long time now but=20 > they are doing a survey at http://2ca.com.au/ to see what people=20 like=20 > and dislike about the station. >=20 > I've told them that I like the fact they are still broadcasting in=20 > stereo. >=20 > The more people that tell them that the better don't you think?=20 >=20 >=20 > Sure do! Good one Baansy. >=20=20 > As I don't know and couldn't find out any local personalities - I=20 had to > vote for Bob Brown! :) >=20=20 > Ian >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Ian I did not know about your stations local DJ's neather. But=20 what i said to them is talk about AM STEREO on the air and on the web=20 site. Jim Smith From dav259@csiro.au Tue Jan 17 23:26:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93069 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 07:26:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2006 07:26:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vic-MTAout6.csiro.au) (150.229.64.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 07:26:08 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au ([138.194.10.10]) by vic-MTAout6.csiro.au with ESMTP; 18 Jan 2006 18:26:03 +1100 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,379,1131282000"; d="scan'208"; a="65971457:sNHT53427094" Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k0I7Q2Mx014383 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:26:02 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:26:02 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Originating-IP: 150.229.64.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1053 2CA and Magic 693 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033; y=SRu7WzLtFexSKW8YvJISZB814dGYdkD0JVrw4fFW_riQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, jimsmith95663 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Ian I did not know about your stations local DJ's neather. But > what i said to them is talk about AM STEREO on the air and on the web > site. Jim Smith G'day Jim Thanks to you for continuing the fight. I agree with you. I would have given them a Canberra address except I gave them my real one as I want to win the prize! :) On the Magic 693 front it may soon be time for Scott and other techies to offer some help. I recently got the following response from the station manager. Listening to Magic these last few months has been very depressing. And since New Years Day they've dropped their jingles just making themselves sound more lifeless than ever. I bought myself an iPod for Christmas. And naturally I'm having a lot of trouble with it. Hey - it's good when it works! Ian Melbourne (Home to the 2006 Commonwealth Games) __________ G'day Ian, I'm still trying to get some sense out of our techs (the one that's not on leave) regarding our stereo exciter. They keep telling me it's just about right, but the guy who's doing the work is apparently as slow as a wet week. The jingles have gone to God (except during Magic Swing and mid-dawn time outs). 10 years is a long time for any package, although I have asked a local production house to do some creative work on a new package. The news theme is under review, but no decision yet. Regards, Gary From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 06:07:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10984 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 14:07:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2006 14:07:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 14:07:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 32645 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2006 14:06:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20060118140652.32643.qmail@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.5.219.153] by web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:06:52 PST Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:06:52 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: On the phone yesterday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=mNUhyphDVn47N3J8f5AwQstoX7tXg6v7aW_-_rWMz34 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I had a great talk with Bill Norman in Myrtle Beach. I plan to ride over there as soon as I have some extra money to make the trip. I will OF COURSE have to carry a SRF-42 with me! Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From starship_2001@msn.com Wed Jan 18 13:25:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41885 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 21:25:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2006 21:25:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 21:25:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:22:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.12 by BAY106-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:22:00 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:21:59 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2006 21:22:01.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[388AA700:01C61C75] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: HD channels to launch X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=ihPXagdchjY7_A5BctaQdRF-zMDSc7HFbC6ULfg5TcrF77n6ATz9TgaWVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Normal view To: starship_2001@msn.com From: rwnewsbytes@news.imaspub.com Subject: Breaking News: HD-R Alliance Names 28 Initial Markets; New Multicast Channels Expected to Launch Soon Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:26:59 -0800 ================================================= RW NewsBytes BREAKING NEWS Brought to you by: Radio World, The Newspaper for Radio Managers and Engineers ================================================== Note: Unsubscribe and address change instructions are at the bottom of this email. ================================================== Breaking News: The HD Digital Radio Alliance of big broadcast group owners has revealed the first 28 markets in which they are readying launches of multicast programming, and the top 12 U.S. radio markets are among them. The group has also released more details on the kinds of formats we can expect on HD2 channels. Alliance President/CEO Peter Ferrara says the first of the new formats are expected to go on the air in a few days. The rollouts mark the first wide-scale launch of HD2 multicast channels, with each market airing what the groups call new and unique content. Through the selection process, each market gets its own mix of new programming. Some of the new formats to be introduced in the first wave include a specialized opera format, Classical Alternative, Traditional Jazz & Blues, Coffee House, Female Talk, Future Country, Extreme Hip Hop, in-depth news and various new rock formats. Including the 28 markets where multicast channels will be introduced, a total of some 264 new HD2 channels will be multicast. The cities are markets 1 through 12 - which are New York, L.A., Chicago, San Francisco, Dallas, Philly, Houston, Washington, Boston, Detroit, Atlanta and Miami - plus Seattle, Baltimore, Portland (Ore.,) Cincinnati, San Jose, Indianapolis, Memphis, Hartford, Birmingham, Dayton, Tulsa, Albuquerque, El Paso, Springfield (Mass.) and Wichita. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditpro@charter.net Wed Jan 18 16:18:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47384 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 00:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 00:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf30.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.230) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 00:18:21 -0000 Received: from mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.146]) by mxsf30.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k0J0IItk031371 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:18:18 -0500 Received: from 66-190-195-204.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) (66.190.195.204) by mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 19:18:18 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,382,1131339600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="2026183710:sNHT28790232" Message-ID: <001f01c61c8d$d86015e0$ccc3be42@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:18:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Bill NormanWNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=QuyAy42ukka-vHXzOd7S0nWIl7WHkfyrf8N6ehsqX7mqHlOET2SP4IjDgDo4 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, I just wanted to let you know exactly how much I admire what you are doing.... When I jumped into the debate a little while back I was too caught up in it to tell you that. I hope my comments did not lead you to believe otherwise. I think it is wonderful that you are getting letters from listeners like that. It proves something I have said for years and years: programming is the key. If you are putting something on that listeners want to hear, they'll do almost anything to get it better. I don't know how many folks I have helped make antennas or helped to find better radios over the years. Never more than the time I was programming Classic Country on AM in a market where you couldn't get it anywhere else. I know it can get frustrating... especially when you're competing in a good sized market. If there is anything at all I can help you with, music, promotional ideas, finding resources for programming.... anything, please do not hesitate to drop me a line. All I would ask for in return is an unskimed stereo aircheck. :) Joe Collins Operations Manager First Media Radio - Roanoke Rapids, NC badeditpro@charter.net badeditproductions@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wnmb@sc.rr.com Wed Jan 18 18:15:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59515 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 02:15:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 02:15:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.221) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 02:15:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 02:13:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 02:13:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 02:13:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 02:13:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060118140652.32643.qmail@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: On the phone yesterday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=uDs2b9qEcvtfTqlYPJI_Jv8Ux5jX2b_TTGO-iijlhexJnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > > I had a great talk with Bill Norman in Myrtle Beach. I > plan to ride over there as soon as I have some extra > money to make the trip. I will OF COURSE have to carry > a SRF-42 with me!=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > w4opw@a... > NNNN! Powell, Thanks for calling. Don't worry about bringing a receiver. We don't=20 have much sense here, but we got AM Stereo receivers! Srf a-100 & srf=20 a-300, new Sony pocket AM Stereo, Tm-152, Carver tx11a, Marantz,=20 and many more. Seriously, every time I drive my Expedition and=20 listen to the AM Stereo, I know we made the right move in converting=20 to it! Today, I took a client to lunch. He listened to our AM=20 Stereo at 900 and then asked to compare it to the FM section. His=20 opinion, the FM had more highs, but was overprocessed. The AMS;=20=20=20 smoother and overall more pleasing to his ears, and he raved about the=20 separation. I got a new one year contract after lunch for much more=20 than last year!=20=20 > From wnmb@sc.rr.com Wed Jan 18 18:17:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66218 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 02:17:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 02:17:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 02:17:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 02:15:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 02:15:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 02:15:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 02:15:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c61c8d$d86015e0$ccc3be42@yourfd6nvjcer4> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.211.44.209 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: Bill NormanWNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=gYp3fME_2rUEaE9_-0_X1m73rr6_SJLuLZxylkMFIWUdXw X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins"=20 wrote: > > Bill, >=20 > I just wanted to let you know exactly how much I admire what you=20 are doing.... When I jumped into the debate a little while back I=20 was too caught up in it to tell you that. I hope my comments did=20 not lead you to believe otherwise.=20=20 >=20 > I think it is wonderful that you are getting letters from=20 listeners like that. It proves something I have said for years and=20 years: programming is the key. If you are putting something on that=20 listeners want to hear, they'll do almost anything to get it=20 better. I don't know how many folks I have helped make antennas or=20 helped to find better radios over the years. Never more than the=20 time I was programming Classic Country on AM in a market where you=20 couldn't get it anywhere else. >=20 > I know it can get frustrating... especially when you're competing=20 in a good sized market. If there is anything at all I can help you=20 with, music, promotional ideas, finding resources for=20 programming.... anything, please do not hesitate to drop me a line. >=20 > All I would ask for in return is an unskimed stereo aircheck.=20 >=20 > :) >=20 > Joe Collins >=20 > Operations Manager > First Media Radio - Roanoke Rapids, NC >=20 > badeditpro@c... > badeditproductions@h... Joe, Thank you! We are having so much fun there must be a city=20 ordinance against it! Any AM Radio station that is not broadcasting in Stereo is missing=20 something really special. We'll make you an aircheck! bill >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Wed Jan 18 19:30:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40343 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 03:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 03:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 03:30:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 03:26:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 03:26:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 03:26:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.211.37 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: Bill NormanWNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=6JUkNYjKgy0XKXciIS3WDEBqHTNCfay0jHYmRVaD0e-USz6krCDS_A X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins"=20 > wrote: >=20 >=20 > Joe, > Thank you! We are having so much fun there must be a city=20 > ordinance against it! > Any AM Radio station that is not broadcasting in Stereo is missing=20 > something really special. > We'll make you an aircheck! > bill > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Bill, I notice that your website (at least the home page) doesn't mention that yo= ur station is in=20 stereo. What's up with that? db From wnmb@sc.rr.com Wed Jan 18 19:55:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@SC.RR.COM X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89781 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 03:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 03:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 03:55:14 -0000 Received: from D333DQ61 (cpe-024-211-044-209.sc.res.rr.com [24.211.44.209]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k0J0pdpg012229 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:51:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000701c61c92$8233beb0$6e01a8c0@D333DQ61> To: References: <001f01c61c8d$d86015e0$ccc3be42@yourfd6nvjcer4> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:51:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.101 From: "WNMB" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bill NormanWNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=zrt3SfgfGxVB0n_AGPeaIuvP4WNGUofYo1Z0inpNM0hjyg X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe, Thanks for the nice note. I appreciate it much. I'll be happy to send you an aircheck. Please come visit with us anytime you are in the Greater Myrtle Beach area. Our office is at 429 Pine St., just off Main street in North Myrtle Beach, near the ocean. We've found once we get someone who hasn't listened to AM in awhile to tune to us; we usually keep them. I agree that programming is the number one thing for the audience appeal; I just wish I had more talent!!! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Collins To: AM Stereo Forum Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:18 PM Subject: {AMSF} Bill NormanWNMB Bill, I just wanted to let you know exactly how much I admire what you are doing.... When I jumped into the debate a little while back I was too caught up in it to tell you that. I hope my comments did not lead you to believe otherwise. I think it is wonderful that you are getting letters from listeners like that. It proves something I have said for years and years: programming is the key. If you are putting something on that listeners want to hear, they'll do almost anything to get it better. I don't know how many folks I have helped make antennas or helped to find better radios over the years. Never more than the time I was programming Classic Country on AM in a market where you couldn't get it anywhere else. I know it can get frustrating... especially when you're competing in a good sized market. If there is anything at all I can help you with, music, promotional ideas, finding resources for programming.... anything, please do not hesitate to drop me a line. All I would ask for in return is an unskimed stereo aircheck. :) Joe Collins Operations Manager First Media Radio - Roanoke Rapids, NC badeditpro@charter.net badeditproductions@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! 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Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 18 21:05:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81414 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 05:05:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 05:05:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.192) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 05:05:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 30362 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2006 05:05:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20060119050543.30360.qmail@web25807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.4.152.132] by web25807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:05:43 PST Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:05:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000701c61c92$8233beb0$6e01a8c0@D333DQ61> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bill NormanWNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ao9sAVVw4TsFZPIJ_Bs7j5qzIPf3VttmQRVC74d6GNFC3cRPM-ya X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Bill, This is Kevin Bell, your listener from the upstate. You have plenty of talent! You do a great job. People on the forum should tune in WNMB. It's a great station! God Bless. -Kevin Bell --- WNMB wrote: --------------------------------- Joe, Thanks for the nice note. I appreciate it much. I'll be happy to send you an aircheck. Please come visit with us anytime you are in the Greater Myrtle Beach area. Our office is at 429 Pine St., just off Main street in North Myrtle Beach, near the ocean. We've found once we get someone who hasn't listened to AM in awhile to tune to us; we usually keep them. I agree that programming is the number one thing for the audience appeal; I just wish I had more talent!!! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Collins To: AM Stereo Forum Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:18 PM Subject: {AMSF} Bill NormanWNMB Bill, I just wanted to let you know exactly how much I admire what you are doing.... When I jumped into the debate a little while back I was too caught up in it to tell you that. I hope my comments did not lead you to believe otherwise. I think it is wonderful that you are getting letters from listeners like that. It proves something I have said for years and years: programming is the key. If you are putting something on that listeners want to hear, they'll do almost anything to get it better. I don't know how many folks I have helped make antennas or helped to find better radios over the years. Never more than the time I was programming Classic Country on AM in a market where you couldn't get it anywhere else. I know it can get frustrating... especially when you're competing in a good sized market. If there is anything at all I can help you with, music, promotional ideas, finding resources for programming.... anything, please do not hesitate to drop me a line. All I would ask for in return is an unskimed stereo aircheck. :) Joe Collins Operations Manager First Media Radio - Roanoke Rapids, NC badeditpro@charter.net badeditproductions@hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum SPONSORED LINKS Stereo High performance Digital radio --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 00:53:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89959 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 08:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 08:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 08:53:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 08:48:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 08:48:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 08:48:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:48:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060119050543.30360.qmail@web25807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.67.5 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bill NormanWNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=A9YwCSGRAcKwESYQKey6WsGiP1CBCKTWIz5Aje0z65TtlgcB X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > Bill, >=20 > This is Kevin Bell, your listener from the > upstate. You have plenty of talent! You do a great > job. People on the forum should tune in WNMB. It's a > great station! God Bless. And a mouse from the redwoods of far northern California says "Amen!" Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 07:26:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69838 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 15:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 15:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.158) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 15:26:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 74553 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2006 14:58:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20060119145859.74551.qmail@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:58:59 PST Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:58:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1137676510.348.83192.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: WNMB STEREO Commercials? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=cjZr-NqW79nLBQFOvHwR9WFdNeMfUd0nDTrK7UFqSWHKlqFISOatTxU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Bill, Can you offer STEREO Commercial spots to your advertisers? Now if you can just find a local electronics store that you can cross-promote AMSt radios with! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Jan 19 08:56:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+mh8T+27+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11798 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 16:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 16:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 16:56:01 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.57]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 46973020 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:52:23 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00be01c61d19$8a18b220$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:58:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 1, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.212.57 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The oldest AM Transmitter to have AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=YMBCw6zSNEXSmo6MmRN6A9QsvnpCla6rUPPZLzW1wrMG_Ql_3sgf X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think you're right, but IIRC, that was a backup transmitter, not the main by then. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony" > Maybe this was already covered in the thread, but I kinda 'poked' > around and saw the subject so I'm joining in late, but didn't KSL in > SLC have a Western Electric transmitter from the 30s when they were > running Kahn/Hazeltine AM Stereo in the 80s?? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Jan 19 09:15:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+mh8T+27+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31223 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 17:15:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 17:15:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 17:14:58 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.57]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 47609761 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:14:24 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e301c61d1c$9e443dc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060118140652.32643.qmail@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:19:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.212.57 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} On the phone yesterday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=vyqvkoEFIwT2FYNHmvTg6vHCqK8K7n6m12yAHtnVkmdnFV0GZgYE X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude And with terrorist attacks shutting down some Nigerian off-shore rigs that drive will only get more expensive. If I didn't have a number of other obligations I'd be glad to help out a fellow list member make the trip. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > I had a great talk with Bill Norman in Myrtle Beach. I > plan to ride over there as soon as I have some extra > money to make the trip. I will OF COURSE have to carry > a SRF-42 with me! From kya1260@lycos.com Thu Jan 19 10:52:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37975 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 18:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 18:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fallback.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.120) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 18:52:49 -0000 Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by fallback.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7721C07497 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:51:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 8FB291800307 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:45:39 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 19 Jan 2006 18:45:39 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7FE8086B12; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:45:39 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:45:39 -0800 Received: from [69.110.157.246] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:45:39 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060119184539.7FE8086B12@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bill NormanWNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=08F5ebJdVEmFIKjTW-WRSMk6cM3cdEqhy-yiE0tTjx8PWzDIJA X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ Kevin and Amy say > > Bill, > > This is Kevin Bell, your listener from the > > upstate. You have plenty of talent! You do a great > > job. People on the forum should tune in WNMB. It's a > > great station! God Bless. > And a mouse from the redwoods of far northern California says "Amen!" > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ And an "amen" from this DJ from Napa Valley, CA, also... --jay What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Jan 19 11:31:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+mh8T+27+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24559 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 19:31:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 19:31:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 19:31:24 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.57]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 44849791 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:10:21 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d801c61d1c$0d45b600$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:16:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=5, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.212.57 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1053 2CA and Magic 693 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=FZfUgqWLI9bQbEUAulFul1-UcWwbAweY_eS2uRd0fWJE0UxD8LM2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Feel free to forward my email address to them. Likely all these units need is a wholesale replacement of the electrolytic caps. That shouldn't take more than a day to do. If they haven't tampered with the other adjustments it should be ready to go unless another part blew somewhere. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" > On the Magic 693 front it may soon be time for Scott and other techies to > offer some help. > > I recently got the following response from the station manager. > > __________ > G'day Ian, > > I'm still trying to get some sense out of our techs (the one that's not > on leave) regarding our stereo exciter. They keep telling me it's just > about right, but the guy who's doing the work is apparently as slow as a > wet week. > > The jingles have gone to God (except during Magic Swing and mid-dawn > time outs). 10 years is a long time for any package, although I have > asked a local production house to do some creative work on a new > package. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 11:34:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 935 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 19:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 19:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 19:34:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 19:33:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 19:33:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:33:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060119145859.74551.qmail@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.67.5 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: WNMB STEREO Commercials? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=VxuFMVWsfakWyUXwvrum28w-OqKY3UlbK47VPCrE06Yf7J9m X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > Bill,=20 > Can you offer STEREO Commercial spots to your advertisers? I believe most of their ads are in stereo. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Who does listen to the stream, FWIW.) From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 12:50:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36680 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 20:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 20:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 20:50:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 20:50:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 20:50:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 20:50:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:50:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.67.5 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: WNMB STEREO Commercials? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=_arimH76M8o64DKHu3Ekl_3iCVhwXNo_pwiCl5pNeSma0h3n X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Oh, and the AMAX promos probably came from here: http://tinyurl.com/woi9 (Original audio supplied to the site by Bob Carter.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Thu Jan 19 13:35:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+mh8T+27+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20451 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 21:35:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 21:35:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 21:35:27 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.57]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 44848266 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:04:19 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cc01c61d1b$35a89140$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:10:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 1, in=4, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.212.57 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} We are hearing from AM STEREO fans and Listeners! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=c71KgY5B4smifyUVFFespE3qXiK-cKnpvxPp-26bEzJaSqHA5nMc X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'll put in another plug for the Meduci AMX-2000. It looks kind of home-brewed though not terribly so, and the performance is outstanding. It screams with only a few feet of antenna wire attached, and Jeff can silk-screen your calls or logo onto the front of any units your station buys for resale. Converting existing tuners varies in difficulty, depending upon circuitry. I've done a Panasonic SC-555 home stereo, a Sansui 5050 integrated tuner, and the radio in my wife's Pathfinder. When I do a conversion, I tend to go a bit overboard and try not to alter the exterior whatsoever. The Sansui had a spot for extra indicators, and I took the dial scale off and had it engraved at a trophy shop with "AM stereo" over the place I added the indicator light so it looks like it came out of the factory that way. On my Panasonic I used the existing stereo light using an optocoupler and driver transistor to light it instead of drilling a hole for an LED. Others may not be so picky. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > And finally, you could either build your own, convert an existing > tuner, or.... Buy handmade from Chris Cuff & Jeff Deck > (www.meduci.com)... :) > > True, it's sad you can't buy AMS off the shelf at your local Wal- > Mart, Kmart or Target, but don't let that stop you- They're out > there, waiting for you to buy. :) From wnmb@sc.rr.com Thu Jan 19 13:54:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50939 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 21:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 21:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 21:54:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 21:52:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 21:52:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 21:52:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:52:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.199.186.206 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: WNMB STEREO Commercials? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=tlqc3Wac0GpD0a9tUYYlKv7owLBsyKyyAICbNztkh05AtA X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 ---=20 Yes, all production we do is in stereo. The only "mono" thing is the=20 microphone(intentional). We have two production studios,plus one AM=20 on air studio, and one FM on air studio. In each production room are=20 two computers. One with SAW, which is a multi-track recording studio=20 with lots of features, and one with Scott Studios software for Radio,=20 called AXS. It also has full production capability. All computers=20 and studios are networked, so production is sent through the network to=20 whatever studio. Production studio one also duplicates the AM Control=20 room so that in the event of a failure we can simply change studios. = =20 Also on hand in each production room, but rarely used anymore, is a cd=20 player, a turntable, a reel to reel machine and a stereo cassette=20 player. We also use programs like Nero Smart Start and audio grabber=20 to aid in production. All music tracks, sound effects, jingles, etc.=20 are all on hard drive. The only mono played on the station now=20 consists of just a few songs which were never recorded in stereo. Bill PS: thanks to everyone for all the nice comments you've given us. You=20 are much appreciated and you have an open invitation to come visit with=20 us in North Myrtle Beach. =20 In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > Oh, and the AMAX promos probably came from here: > http://tinyurl.com/woi9 >=20 > (Original audio supplied to the site by Bob Carter.) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 20 01:47:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80856 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2006 09:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2006 09:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2006 09:47:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2006 09:46:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2006 09:46:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:46:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.100.21 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Lost voices... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=ZVwb_J7UNfgCrYNYuoFYTlanL3s9EHln9mZVW8wqlVBq-J54 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I'm sure many a music station, especially certain AM stereo oldies=20 stations, are putting song by certain artists no longer among us on=20 their playlists... In the last month or so, we've lost Luther Vandross, Lou Rawls, and=20 Wilson Pickett, and could lose sometime in the near future Isaac Hayes,=20 who just had a stroke... So many great voices falling silent, lately... :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wnmb@sc.rr.com Fri Jan 20 07:48:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94164 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2006 15:48:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2006 15:48:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2006 15:48:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2006 15:46:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2006 15:46:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:45:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.199.186.206 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Photos for you X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=Wj4b4u_1zIWF23NCbKTW_dlJmhG46TkuOkbKkRUqrA7HNA X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 I added some pics (an album) in the photo section. They consist of=20 studio shots, a logo with AM Stereo added, and one of our Ford Radios=20 locked on the station. When I go to the transmitter site, I'll get a=20 pic of the new Delta Exciter at work. If anyone wants any other photo=20 in regard to station operation of AM Stereo, just let me know. We are changing servers on our web site and doing some design change.=20 It should be back up later today or in the morning. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Jan 20 10:06:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69285 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2006 18:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2006 18:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.186) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2006 18:06:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 57157 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jan 2006 10:59:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20060120105947.57155.qmail@web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.4.152.132] by web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 02:59:47 PST Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 02:59:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=vkdBgl1qIWCONphYFz36tzgmtta3VS2WwrviTGxKKR12tzExqHjb X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I wanted to ask all you folks in radio. How tough is it to get into radio as a DJ? I have always loved music and radio and always wondered about that. I think if I lost the southern accent I have that i'd be good. Lots of ideas for fun shows. I do have a strong speaking voice, its just that dang accent! Well it's not that bad but not that great either! Let me know guys! Love this forum, lots of nice people! God Bless! -Kevin WNMB Listener Greenville, South Carolina __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wnmb@sc.rr.com Fri Jan 20 12:45:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89870 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2006 20:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2006 20:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2006 20:45:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2006 20:41:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2006 20:41:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2006 20:41:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:41:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060120105947.57155.qmail@web25801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.199.186.206 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=M_B_c9GRthrHzsENpRIfVoGa3x-0q7vdcG_UsbxodzWG6g X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Kevin, While I realize the main topic here and the forum theme is AM Stereo,=20 let me briefly address your question. First, as to the southern=20 accent, while working on proper enunciation, good grammar, proper=20 breathing and all those things......it is still the "personality" and=20 warmth in sharing with an audience which is most important in many=20 stations. After all, here in the south, we are preaching to the=20 choir. I have a guy who does a beach music show for us Friday and=20 Saturday evenings. He is as "down home" as it gets, but he has a=20 great audience. They love his friendliness and his knowledge of the=20 music. they identify with him. As to getting into the business, it's still a lot like it was many=20 years ago. The entry level person needs to find a small market=20 station and be willing to pay some dues. Determination, hard work,=20 smart work and persistance pay off. It's like most reporters. they=20 don't start at the New York Times, they start at the North Myrtle=20 Beach Times. Find yourself a small market operation. Make a list of such=20 stations. Contact them. Make appointments. Stress your desire to=20 learn, work hard and help them succeed. Be willing to do everything=20 from mopping the floor to covering a news story.=20=20 Ask for an opportunity. If you are not successful at first, ask=20 again.=20=20=20=20 Finally, Radio is not all that different from any other field. In=20 fact, too many people try to make it something different. It is a=20 business, and business must make money. You can't operate if you=20 spend more than you take in. So look at it from that angle and=20 stress your willingness to help that small market operator make money. That's about enough of my sermon. I'll get back to serving my ad=20 accounts and having fun with some AM Stereo! Bill --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > > I wanted to ask all you folks in radio. How tough is > it to get into radio as a DJ? I have always loved > music and radio and always wondered about that. I > think if I lost the southern accent I have that i'd be > good. Lots of ideas for fun shows. I do have a > strong speaking voice, its just that dang accent!=20 > Well it's not that bad but not that great either! Let > me know guys! Love this forum, lots of nice people!=20 > God Bless! >=20 > -Kevin > WNMB Listener > Greenville, South Carolina >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 20 14:51:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1970 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2006 22:51:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2006 22:51:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2006 22:51:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2006 22:49:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2006 22:49:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2006 22:49:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:49:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.0.21 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=mwBxOsMVheyQ0g1Oqv8-Dm213iSvS0qfjHQ6N48O4E85C2Sm X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > >=20 > Kevin, >=20 > While I realize the main topic here and the forum theme is AM=20 Stereo,=20 > let me briefly address your question. First, as to the southern=20 > accent, while working on proper enunciation, good grammar, proper=20 > breathing and all those things......it is still the "personality"=20 and=20 > warmth in sharing with an audience which is most important in many=20 > stations. After all, here in the south, we are preaching to the=20 > choir. I have a guy who does a beach music show for us Friday and=20 > Saturday evenings. He is as "down home" as it gets, but he has a=20 > great audience. They love his friendliness and his knowledge of=20 the=20 > music. they identify with him. >=20 > As to getting into the business, it's still a lot like it was many=20 > years ago. The entry level person needs to find a small market=20 > station and be willing to pay some dues. Determination, hard=20 work,=20 > smart work and persistance pay off. It's like most reporters.=20=20 they=20 > don't start at the New York Times, they start at the North Myrtle=20 > Beach Times. > > Find yourself a small market operation. Make a list of such=20 > stations. Contact them. Make appointments. Stress your desire to=20 > learn, work hard and help them succeed. Be willing to do=20 everything=20 > from mopping the floor to covering a news story.=20=20 >=20 > Ask for an opportunity. If you are not successful at first, ask=20 > again.=20=20=20=20 For many communities, though, there asren't that many opportunitiies=20 for local talent at all, considering most stations live off the birds- Satellite-fed radio services. To their thinking, it's cheaper. It=20 doesn't help that many stations are clustered, also to cut costs. If you have any local radio programming, see if you can get squeezed=20 in at one of the stations. You may or may not like the type of music=20 they air, but if they think you can fit in, take the job. If you're doing local/regional, don't sweat the accent, as long as=20 you talk clearly and concisely. Sometimes, being regional may be=20 desirable, even if you're going national- Stations like character! But do note, that if you're gonna work at a local station, you mighnt=20 be asked to pull extra duty doing the engineering work. > Finally, Radio is not all that different from any other field. In=20 > fact, too many people try to make it something different. It is a=20 > business, and business must make money. You can't operate if you=20 > spend more than you take in. So look at it from that angle and=20 > stress your willingness to help that small market operator make=20 money. > That's about enough of my sermon. I'll get back to serving my ad=20 > accounts and having fun with some AM Stereo! There are three things that define a station: 1: A labour of love- You're doing it because you LIKE doing it. 2: A service to the community- You actually want to participate in=20 your community, and have your community participate with you. 3: A business- You still have to pay bills. For most operations, it's the last one only- A source of revenue, and=20 nothing more. But for others, it's the first two or all three.=20 Sometimes the station doesn't MAKE money at all, and just operates=20 just for the sheer joy of it. AM stereo fits in all three, because: You share the programming, be=20 it music or rebroadcasts of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, in=20 glorious stereo; you serve the community with a clear, quality signal=20 that happens to be a benefit of making a good AMS installation; and=20 you realise you will get a significant chunk of your listenersip- At=20 least 10%, if not more- in stereo, which means advertising money=20 (having an audience is always good for the ledgers!), and thus more=20 money to pay the bills and your employees. Far too many broadcasters have lost sight of what it means to be a=20 broadcaster, but you, the individual broadcaster, need not be. WNMB is a shining example of how to do a station RIGHT, and it's far=20 more than just the AMS-- That's the icing on the cake. :) The station=20 is earning money by serving the community, and having fun at at. :) That's the way radio SHOULD be, no matter WHAT the progframming is. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@mpcinternet.net Fri Jan 20 17:10:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+6KEk+29+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90785 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2006 01:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2006 01:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2006 01:10:17 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.211.113]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 47974656 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:10:13 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c61e28$42d94c20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:16:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 3, in=6, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.211.113 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=_gmX2mPuQgThz4LNNkQPYsFZtlkaKUkhTGBq3o3qXME6d63dqzJ- X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude And to brace you for some of the krud ;) you could run into, go to www.krud.com for a satirical look at the other side of the microphone. Fortunately they're not all that bad, but there are a few. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > Far too many broadcasters have lost sight of what it means to be a > broadcaster, but you, the individual broadcaster, need not be. > > WNMB is a shining example of how to do a station RIGHT, and it's far > more than just the AMS-- That's the icing on the cake. :) The station > is earning money by serving the community, and having fun at at. :) > > That's the way radio SHOULD be, no matter WHAT the progframming is. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jan 20 19:22:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40245 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2006 03:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2006 03:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.223) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2006 03:22:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2006 03:21:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2006 03:21:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2006 03:21:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:21:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.65.156 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Fwd: Classic Hits in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=DlYPQYMOgbzxkL6IWenIbLN0wXJsQgxqT45XEdBk3lMm9IQcPA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As found on the Broadcast list at radiolists.net... the station in=20 question is 1450 WTHU in Thurmont, MD, owned by Charles R. Walmer --=20 it's nice to see he's advertising his station's AM Stereo signal! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D This came up last week, so I thought you might be interested: --------------------------------------------- Just noticed a billboard along Rt. 15 south of Emmitsburg, MD:=20 CLASSIC HITS 1450-AM In Stereo. Tuned in and got what seems to be a=20 satellite-fed Jack-light mix of the Mama and the Papas, The Ames=20 Brothers, and a mad hit by Bert Kampfert. So, woohoo, drop the top on=20 that LeBaron, head up to Thurmont, and punch in that AM stereo. Robb in Capitol Heights --------------------------------------------- Mark --=20 Mark D. Bulla - Chief Engineer WNUV WB-54 Baltimore, MD From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 20 22:11:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95647 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2006 06:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2006 06:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2006 06:11:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2006 06:05:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2006 06:05:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 06:05:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.0.21 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: The very problem with broadcast licenses today... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=akL1eSJx6rieNUZCnHSVNdTvxCTXkMeJvp1hkyOdfIIXsqlL X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie The current model of radio station licensing is to grant licenses to=20 the highest bidder, effectively pricing the whole notion of local=20 people serving their community via radio out of the hands of all but=20 the richest... From our new, second daily newspaper here, two articles on the state of=20 a license in the little town of Blue Lake, a town with about 1,500=20 people, but near three communities of 15,000, 20,000 and 30,000 each: http://www.eurekareporter.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?ArticleID=3D7511 http://www.eurekareporter.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?ArticleID=3D7554 Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 09:32:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76981 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2006 17:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2006 17:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2006 17:32:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 32539 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2006 17:25:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20060121172508.32537.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.241.14.185] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:25:08 PST Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:25:08 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Another AM Stereo going online this spring X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=VxJz8pZUf9agRTrkPsPIGIxQnY9icDo0oYX14AKQnyuWQXeCWhYbB50 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I recently spoke with another broadcaster who has dormant C-Quam hardware, and after he's done re-working his phasor, he's turning the C-Quam back on. He was especially excited that his Mach radio in his Ford could pick it up and the efforts by Mr. Norman to make his station sound great to those than can hear the difference! There's still a lot of Chrysler radios out there that can hear it. Even my teenage son thinks that the Chrysler speaker 'joystick' radios are so 'cool' that he's had me put one 'on the shelf' for when he gets a car! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 21 10:44:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63881 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2006 18:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2006 18:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.193) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2006 18:44:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 92890 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2006 18:42:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20060121184236.92888.qmail@web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.4.152.132] by web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:42:36 PST Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:42:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060121172508.32537.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo going online this spring X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=nwKHSuEDhLSaHlsqFrK9zf9qJVo4LPk3GFUz5YDrvlesZ9rolj_8 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Speaking of I have to ask. I have heard that many of the Ford radios from the 90s had AM stereo. Is that true? I have a 1995 Ford Thunderbird LX 4.6L V8. I have the stock radio because it was given to me by the previous owner which had installed a pioneer stereo. The pioneer is what is in it now. The stock radio was just the basic AM/FM with cassette. Does anyone know if that model would contain the AM stereo circuits? The owners manual doesn't say anything about AM stereo on any of the optional stereos. I just wondered because i've heard lots of people say the ford radios had AM stereo. It's good to hear that another station is going on the air in Stereo and I don't see why all AM stations are not in stereo. I could see perhaps talk radio being mono. Even then though it could be done in stereo. Especially if there were at least three persons on the talk show. You could have one down center, one panned to hard right, and one hard left. Sure would be interesting! I do know about stereo mixing as Hi Fi has always been a hobby and I also have ran sound many years in church. The churches I ran sound in were setup mono. Of course I went in and changed everything to stereo! Just a few cable swaps here and there and adding some to the tape decks and then setting the mixer. People act like stereo is so much trouble when it should be the norm. I say if you cant handle the mixin then get out the kitchen! Ha! Yes lets do give credit where credit is due. Bill certainly is the Stereo guy and everyone in the industry needs to pay attention to what he's doing. He is on a mission! We support ya Bill! Bill if you ever think about buying another station I wish you could do one upstate and run it like WNMB! We do not have an oldies station here at all now. It shocks me that no one has stepped up to the plate to have one. There are tons of oldies fans up here. We need an AM Stereo oldies station! Please folks get the word out. Well I do hope you all are doing well. God Bless! -Kevin WNMB Listener --- "John P." wrote: --------------------------------- I recently spoke with another broadcaster who has dormant C-Quam hardware, and after he's done re-working his phasor, he's turning the C-Quam back on. He was especially excited that his Mach radio in his Ford could pick it up and the efforts by Mr. Norman to make his station sound great to those than can hear the difference! There's still a lot of Chrysler radios out there that can hear it. Even my teenage son thinks that the Chrysler speaker 'joystick' radios are so 'cool' that he's had me put one 'on the shelf' for when he gets a car! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jimbo@burgan.net Sat Jan 21 11:51:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18195 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2006 19:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2006 19:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ylpvm43.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2006 19:51:54 -0000 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.65]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k0LJnUan015063 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:49:30 -0500 X-ORBL: [68.22.243.193] Received: from EMACHINE (ppp-68-22-243-193.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net [68.22.243.193]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with SMTP id k0LJnMmK031052 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:49:27 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c61ec3$ca39a7f0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:49:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0603-4, 01/20/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.57.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Tom Ray's Product Passion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=zB2hPPONltUyCED5r4dLzMGKE3aRRtc2nXTr75lLLAPZ5wM X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 I got my new BSW catalog yesterday and when I flipped it open, the first thing I saw was Tom Ray's picture (not nearly as ugly as I thought he'd be ). I was just wondering... How do I get Telos to put my picture in one of their ads? I bought a new Omina EX in 2005 and I like it just fine.. I want my picture in their ads! He seems to be a passionate consumer of many products. Meanwhile... Lots of new AM Stereo gear in the catalog, new CQuam exciters, mod-monitors, processing and plenty of other goodies. I particularly liked the new Mosley SL9000 STL, because in it's description they say it's, "Using spectrally efficient QAM (quadrature amplitude modulation) technology". Spectrally efficient... I've never heard it in those words but it certainly is true. Since the cost of upgrading an AM station to IBOC is so high, and since there are so many AM stations that are barely breaking even at best, I wonder how long it will take for them to upgrade to IBOC. It looks like BSW, Broadcast General Store and a few other equipment purveyors haven't written off AM stereo. Interesting... -Jim- From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 21 12:00:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53750 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2006 20:00:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2006 20:00:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.189) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2006 20:00:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 98157 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2006 19:57:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20060121195706.98155.qmail@web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.4.152.132] by web25804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:57:06 PST Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:57:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=QkRmxHpoqDKnrNlvkJbfRejwPYWrmgmoLwuRAWAq-g26Fnz4ECh5 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Bill and Amy thanks again for your suggestions. You know I recorded myself on my PC reading the news from WNMB's site. I thought id try it to see what I sound like. I don't sound so bad afterall. My accent isn't as rough as I thought it was. I guess we are all hard on ourselves sometimes! Ok, thought id say that now i'm going back to listening to WNMB AM STEREO! Ahh they are playing some Dione Warwick "San Jose" ahhhh friends you gotta love these oldies! God Bless and have a most wonderful day! -Kevin --- Amy Mousie wrote: --------------------------------- --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > > Kevin, > > While I realize the main topic here and the forum theme is AM Stereo, > let me briefly address your question. First, as to the southern > accent, while working on proper enunciation, good grammar, proper > breathing and all those things......it is still the "personality" and > warmth in sharing with an audience which is most important in many > stations. After all, here in the south, we are preaching to the > choir. I have a guy who does a beach music show for us Friday and > Saturday evenings. He is as "down home" as it gets, but he has a > great audience. They love his friendliness and his knowledge of the > music. they identify with him. > > As to getting into the business, it's still a lot like it was many > years ago. The entry level person needs to find a small market > station and be willing to pay some dues. Determination, hard work, > smart work and persistance pay off. It's like most reporters. they > don't start at the New York Times, they start at the North Myrtle > Beach Times. > > Find yourself a small market operation. Make a list of such > stations. Contact them. Make appointments. Stress your desire to > learn, work hard and help them succeed. Be willing to do everything > from mopping the floor to covering a news story. > > Ask for an opportunity. If you are not successful at first, ask > again. For many communities, though, there asren't that many opportunitiies for local talent at all, considering most stations live off the birds- Satellite-fed radio services. To their thinking, it's cheaper. It doesn't help that many stations are clustered, also to cut costs. If you have any local radio programming, see if you can get squeezed in at one of the stations. You may or may not like the type of music they air, but if they think you can fit in, take the job. If you're doing local/regional, don't sweat the accent, as long as you talk clearly and concisely. Sometimes, being regional may be desirable, even if you're going national- Stations like character! But do note, that if you're gonna work at a local station, you mighnt be asked to pull extra duty doing the engineering work. > Finally, Radio is not all that different from any other field. In > fact, too many people try to make it something different. It is a > business, and business must make money. You can't operate if you > spend more than you take in. So look at it from that angle and > stress your willingness to help that small market operator make money. > That's about enough of my sermon. I'll get back to serving my ad > accounts and having fun with some AM Stereo! There are three things that define a station: 1: A labour of love- You're doing it because you LIKE doing it. 2: A service to the community- You actually want to participate in your community, and have your community participate with you. 3: A business- You still have to pay bills. For most operations, it's the last one only- A source of revenue, and nothing more. But for others, it's the first two or all three. Sometimes the station doesn't MAKE money at all, and just operates just for the sheer joy of it. AM stereo fits in all three, because: You share the programming, be it music or rebroadcasts of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, in glorious stereo; you serve the community with a clear, quality signal that happens to be a benefit of making a good AMS installation; and you realise you will get a significant chunk of your listenersip- At least 10%, if not more- in stereo, which means advertising money (having an audience is always good for the ledgers!), and thus more money to pay the bills and your employees. Far too many broadcasters have lost sight of what it means to be a broadcaster, but you, the individual broadcaster, need not be. WNMB is a shining example of how to do a station RIGHT, and it's far more than just the AMS-- That's the icing on the cake. :) The station is earning money by serving the community, and having fun at at. :) That's the way radio SHOULD be, no matter WHAT the progframming is. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 15:53:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29579 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2006 23:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2006 23:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2006 23:53:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2006 23:52:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2006 23:52:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2006 23:52:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:52:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00cc01c61d1b$35a89140$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.43.228.32 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: We are hearing from AM STEREO fans and Listeners! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=Mq3f_594tWacbT998PpGX0h6_dQZinUt1QYWESLlIqJhu_Kwezd6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Scott, You write: >The Sansui had a spot for extra indicators, and I took the dial=20 >scale off and had it engraved at a trophy shop with "AM stereo"=20 >over the place I added the indicator light so it looks like it came >out of the factory that way.=20=20 I actually found five pictures of your Sansui 5050 conversion while surfing. I wondered how the "AM STEREO" letters appeared on=20 the dial. It was very professional. I posted these pictures to=20 this photo area, as well as a one-page description of your conversion process.=20=20=20=20 Have you used your AMX-2000 tuner at one of your Salem=20 transmitter sites yet? 73, Jeff Deck http://Meduci.com From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Jan 21 16:13:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46450 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2006 00:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2006 00:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.224) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2006 00:13:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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File : /radios/Sansui_5050.txt Uploaded by : jeffdeck2001 Description : Sansui 5050 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/Sansui_5050.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, jeffdeck2001 From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 21 20:26:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44859 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2006 04:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2006 04:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2006 04:26:46 -0000 Received: from fl-71-53-156-110.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.53.156.110] helo=PossumHunter) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F0Wkk-0001I3-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:22:58 -0500 Message-ID: <006001c61f0b$8664c490$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060121184236.92888.qmail@web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:22:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo going online this spring X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=dO277t7uOMd7I9J7RIGZKC26XsJpFnT57o5y3jb9FDpriseCEXNc6U2hZIdoOg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: >I wish you could do one upstate and run it like WNMB! We do not have an >oldies station here at all now. Try turning that radio dial a little more! WCZZ 1090 in Greenwood is playing oldies in C-QUAM WCRS 1450 in Greenwood is playing Nostalgia. WZLA-FM 92.9 in Abbeville is Oldies WASC 1530 in Spartanburg is playing R&B Oldies WSNW 1150 In Seneca is Oldies WAHT 1560 in Clemson is Oldies WLBG 860 in Laurens plays R&B Oldies WAGL 1560 in Lancaster is Oldies WJES 1190 Saluda is Oldies WKMG 1520 Newberry is Oldies You should also be able to get WNEG 630 Toccoa and WTZQ 1600 Hendersonville in the upper part opf the Upstate. Citadel's WOMG-FM 103.1 Columbia http://www.womg.com/ makes it up into Newberry County pretty good. Barnstable's WGVC Oldies 106.3 was no great loss. It was only live durning Morning Drive. The other dayparts were voice tracked. I liked it much better when it was Groovin' Oldies 106.3 in Newberry. Barnstable should have kept the format when they moved the station to Simpsonville. When the station was in Newberry, it had as many DX listeners in the Upstate as it had local listeners after the move and format switch to Oldies! After the move to Simpsonville, the station had a nasty hiss in the STL. Just what the Upstate needed, another Bible Thumper on the air.... We are lucky here in central Florida. We have some GREAT Oldies stations! http://wmfq.fm/index.htm http://realoldies.tripod.com/ http://www.theblizzard.us/wfbo/ Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From badeditpro@charter.net Sat Jan 21 20:42:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32413 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2006 04:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2006 04:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2006 04:42:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2006 04:39:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2006 04:39:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 04:39:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.190.195.204 From: "JC" Subject: IMAGINE THE LOUCK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=5VFRddk82thFPm1JsrF4d50bkNO9qhL_GUa-a8iKrBkocSVFUcwwLWVRlj4R X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions My wife just bought a '98 Ford Taurus=85 I mentioned before that w e had rented a brand new Ford minivan that had a C-QUAM radio in it=85Funny looking thing it is. The radio is mounted in a round bubble in the middle of the dash with the heater controls. Great sound. Imagine my delight at discovering that her new Taurus has C-QUAM, too! Now if I could just get some good country or oldies music on one of my AM's and convince the big bosses to spring for an upgrade. I know we'd have at least one faithful listener=85 me! Bill, Nice studios! I noticed the Spotcaster cart machine=85 Do you get much use out of that? : ) Joe Collins From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 21 23:28:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9850 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2006 07:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2006 07:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.195) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2006 07:28:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 7998 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jan 2006 07:27:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20060122072702.7996.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.10.244] by web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:27:02 PST Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:27:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006001c61f0b$8664c490$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo going online this spring X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=tVM6exrDLv_9vsrvkckOyeDSiX8OMRS32XHnXZzu8xk_fxYWc-lw X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Well the only things I can pick up here in Greenville are 1330 which is talk, 1440, 1490, and 660. Some are christian stations that talk and the others are mexican. That's it. I have been around the dial and that's all I can get! LOL! I even have a Tivoli Model One radio which is supposed to be a superb receiver and I have the optional external antenna. Still those are all the stations I receive. I live close to downtown Greenville and the FM is really bad too. They all are so strong they come in with a lot of static on my Onkyo TX-8511 receiver. Now I don't think that Onkyo tuners are that good if you ask me. I had an old Sony that did much better than that Onkyo. The Onkyo amplifier section of that receiver does play clearer than a Sony though. Oh well perhaps I am in a bad location for reception or need some sort of external antenna on the house. The most likely reason I could not get 1090 out of Greenwood is because of that 1070 on the dial over there in Berea. -Kevin --- Possum Hunter wrote: --------------------------------- Kevin Bell wrote: >I wish you could do one upstate and run it like WNMB! We do not have an >oldies station here at all now. Try turning that radio dial a little more! WCZZ 1090 in Greenwood is playing oldies in C-QUAM WCRS 1450 in Greenwood is playing Nostalgia. WZLA-FM 92.9 in Abbeville is Oldies WASC 1530 in Spartanburg is playing R&B Oldies WSNW 1150 In Seneca is Oldies WAHT 1560 in Clemson is Oldies WLBG 860 in Laurens plays R&B Oldies WAGL 1560 in Lancaster is Oldies WJES 1190 Saluda is Oldies WKMG 1520 Newberry is Oldies You should also be able to get WNEG 630 Toccoa and WTZQ 1600 Hendersonville in the upper part opf the Upstate. Citadel's WOMG-FM 103.1 Columbia http://www.womg.com/ makes it up into Newberry County pretty good. Barnstable's WGVC Oldies 106.3 was no great loss. It was only live durning Morning Drive. The other dayparts were voice tracked. I liked it much better when it was Groovin' Oldies 106.3 in Newberry. Barnstable should have kept the format when they moved the station to Simpsonville. When the station was in Newberry, it had as many DX listeners in the Upstate as it had local listeners after the move and format switch to Oldies! After the move to Simpsonville, the station had a nasty hiss in the STL. Just what the Upstate needed, another Bible Thumper on the air.... We are lucky here in central Florida. We have some GREAT Oldies stations! http://wmfq.fm/index.htm http://realoldies.tripod.com/ http://www.theblizzard.us/wfbo/ Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 22 01:00:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23910 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2006 09:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2006 09:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2006 09:00:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2006 09:00:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2006 09:00:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:00:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.65.156 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Motorola C-Quam exciter & mod-mon on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=4K48DZc9TNlJ090M6sTz_xKo030LaWFn85zDQR7KnnT179algg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics A true-blue Motorola C-Quam exciter and matching Motorola modulation=20 monitor: http://cgi1.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5857348918 From kc8yqq@hotmail.com Sun Jan 22 03:34:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1651 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2006 11:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2006 11:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.51.15) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2006 11:34:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 03:33:39 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:33:39 GMT X-Originating-Email: [kc8yqq@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8yqq@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060121172508.32537.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 06:33:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2006 11:33:39.0407 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0AF85F0:01C61F47] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.51.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Paul Crane" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo going online this spring X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171245851; y=gNBAO3Vb-Tf5DGic9GTYiaenLxHN3NdD7BDcaQNw27BE2xywbOCa X-Yahoo-Profile: paul_m_crane Hi John - Any chance you can share which broadcaster? I can receive most of the Toledo stations here in Jackson. Thanks, Paul Crane, KC8YQQ Jackson, MI USA Part 15 transmitters on air 24/7: AM stereo 1250, FM stereo 88.3 ----Original Message Follows---- From: "John P." Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Subject: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo going online this spring Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:25:08 -0800 (PST) I recently spoke with another broadcaster who has dormant C-Quam hardware, and after he's done re-working his phasor, he's turning the C-Quam back on. He was especially excited that his Mach radio in his Ford could pick it up and the efforts by Mr. Norman to make his station sound great to those than can hear the difference! There's still a lot of Chrysler radios out there that can hear it. Even my teenage son thinks that the Chrysler speaker 'joystick' radios are so 'cool' that he's had me put one 'on the shelf' for when he gets a car! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jan 22 09:19:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43634 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2006 17:19:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2006 17:19:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2006 17:19:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 96593 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jan 2006 16:52:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20060122165259.96591.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.97] by web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:52:59 PST Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:52:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006001c61f0b$8664c490$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo going online this spring X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=K-bY1jQdU60LDCHCSPXEQg5HI2v5Wd9BZnQ4R6fDOBM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > Kevin Bell wrote: > >I wish you could do one upstate and run it like > WNMB! We do not have an > >oldies station here at all now. > > Try turning that radio dial a little more! > WCZZ 1090 in Greenwood is playing oldies in C-QUAM Haven't been stereo in a long time and after the bankruptcy and sale doing black gospel > WCRS 1450 in Greenwood is playing Nostalgia. And a lot of talk added in. > WZLA-FM 92.9 in Abbeville is Oldies > WASC 1530 in Spartanburg is playing R&B Oldies > WSNW 1150 In Seneca is Oldies > WAHT 1560 in Clemson is Oldies More like beach format. > WLBG 860 in Laurens plays R&B Oldies > WAGL 1560 in Lancaster is Oldies A cross of standards and oldies, and other stuff. > WJES 1190 Saluda is Oldies > WKMG 1520 Newberry is Oldies Which is not worth listening to. It's old tapes of Cornell Blakely mostly R&B oldies and some Spanish in the afternoon. WKDK 1240 Newberry, oldies and some light AC. Now on 24 hours with the aid of Enco. Live mostly/ > You should also be able to get WNEG 630 Toccoa and > WTZQ 1600 Hendersonville. WNEG has an application for 5000 watts day instead of the current 500. WTZQ can be heard close in. Standards oldies mix, and live during the daytime. WFIS Founatain INN is predominant unlees you get close to Hendersonville. > in the upper part opf the Upstate. > Citadel's WOMG-FM 103.1 Columbia > http://www.womg.com/ makes it up into > Newberry County pretty good. But nor much more than that. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Jan 22 11:48:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28945 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2006 19:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2006 19:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.245) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2006 19:48:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 55036 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jan 2006 19:48:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20060122194832.55034.qmail@web25812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.153.10.244] by web25812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:48:32 PST Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:48:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060122165259.96591.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.245 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo going online this spring X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=rH9dt7id3zb_1nPiraCBRB86N0Jx86z2PshDL_6tgKKl4WhRpUJC X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Powell, I tried all the stations you mentioned and all I get is dead air. Even the one in sleasley. Ha, thats the nickname for Easley. -Kevin --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: --------------------------------- --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > Kevin Bell wrote: > >I wish you could do one upstate and run it like > WNMB! We do not have an > >oldies station here at all now. > > Try turning that radio dial a little more! > WCZZ 1090 in Greenwood is playing oldies in C-QUAM Haven't been stereo in a long time and after the bankruptcy and sale doing black gospel > WCRS 1450 in Greenwood is playing Nostalgia. And a lot of talk added in. > WZLA-FM 92.9 in Abbeville is Oldies > WASC 1530 in Spartanburg is playing R&B Oldies > WSNW 1150 In Seneca is Oldies > WAHT 1560 in Clemson is Oldies More like beach format. > WLBG 860 in Laurens plays R&B Oldies > WAGL 1560 in Lancaster is Oldies A cross of standards and oldies, and other stuff. > WJES 1190 Saluda is Oldies > WKMG 1520 Newberry is Oldies Which is not worth listening to. It's old tapes of Cornell Blakely mostly R&B oldies and some Spanish in the afternoon. WKDK 1240 Newberry, oldies and some light AC. Now on 24 hours with the aid of Enco. Live mostly/ > You should also be able to get WNEG 630 Toccoa and > WTZQ 1600 Hendersonville. WNEG has an application for 5000 watts day instead of the current 500. WTZQ can be heard close in. Standards oldies mix, and live during the daytime. WFIS Founatain INN is predominant unlees you get close to Hendersonville. > in the upper part opf the Upstate. > Citadel's WOMG-FM 103.1 Columbia > http://www.womg.com/ makes it up into > Newberry County pretty good. But nor much more than that. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jan 22 13:45:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+EWlV+30+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54404 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2006 21:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2006 21:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2006 21:45:42 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.6]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 48008596 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:41:17 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c61f9d$69e9e2e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:47:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.212.6 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: We are hearing from AM STEREO fans and Listeners! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=h7T7ZLVly6PgpU1mLypvigDBHz8ziHqpBOfO35uH2pKzcoCFLtZb X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Jeff, I was hoping someone would get those Sansui pictures posted for the AM stereo enthusiasts to see. Glad you did it. Haven't tried the tuner at my stations yet, though I think I will now that you've suggested it. The only problem is none of them are stereo. Unfortunately Salem isn't all that sympathetic to the cause. I do have a stereo generator I could retune to 980 (on 990 now), but upgrading to a stereo audio processor would be a problem unless I could get the extra Optimod boards from a station which has permanently dropped stereo operation. I'll have to wind me a loop antenna for the receiver as a longwire would just get too much of the noise in the building. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeffdeck2001" > I actually found five pictures of your Sansui 5050 conversion > while surfing. I wondered how the "AM STEREO" letters appeared on > the dial. It was very professional. I posted these pictures to > this photo area, as well as a one-page description of your > conversion process. > > Have you used your AMX-2000 tuner at one of your Salem > transmitter sites yet? From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jan 22 13:54:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+EWlV+30+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93897 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2006 21:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2006 21:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2006 21:54:20 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.6]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 48644321 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:54:03 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c61f9f$32ad09e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20060121184236.92888.qmail@web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:59:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.212.6 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo going online this spring X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=FfVVeKr0GpBKlALga0gk7SZ8rEPK-yRO72vszlVtW5Ix6atcQuPZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Kevin- check the "part number" on the radio. Most Ford radios were mono. If toward the end you see B165 in it, you have a stereo radio. B132 it'll be mono. I bought a Mach 460 radio and amp in two separate auctions on ebay. To wire it into my car required buying a harness that cost $105; more than I paid for the radio and amp combined. Waiting for warmer weather to put it in. more below- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bell" > Speaking of I have to ask. I have heard that many of > the Ford radios from the 90s had AM stereo. Is that > true? I have a 1995 Ford Thunderbird LX 4.6L V8. I > have the stock radio because it was given to me by the > previous owner which had installed a pioneer stereo. > The pioneer is what is in it now. The stock radio was > just the basic AM/FM with cassette. Does anyone know > if that model would contain the AM stereo circuits? > The owners manual doesn't say anything about AM stereo > on any of the optional stereos. I just wondered > because i've heard lots of people say the ford radios > had AM stereo. It's good to hear that another station > is going on the air in Stereo and I don't see why all > AM stations are not in stereo. I could see perhaps > talk radio being mono. Especially if all their programs are off the bird. All the national talk satellite channels are mono. I heard Frank Foti say at the last Madison Broadcasters Clinic that you only need about 6kbps for stereo steering information, so *potentially* they could inject that bit of metadata during the times they play bumper music and make it possible for stations to run stereo, though I doubt it'll happen. Scott From stodd@mpcinternet.net Sun Jan 22 15:25:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+EWlV+30+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71984 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2006 23:25:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2006 23:25:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2006 23:25:56 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.6]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 48024244 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:23:44 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <013d01c61fab$b9dee8a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:29:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.212.6 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola C-Quam exciter & mod-mon on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=LelIZqKUngTZRPaCl6Asf7osm1IRofLVIJapvRFQAxHcUjAibZ7I X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'd like to request the eBay Song :D http://tinafolsomphotography.com/ebay_song.html Get ready for a good laugh. Sounds like Wierd Al Yankovic. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." Subject: {AMSF} Motorola C-Quam exciter & mod-mon on eBay > A true-blue Motorola C-Quam exciter and matching Motorola modulation > monitor: > > http://cgi1.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5857348918 From wnmb@sc.rr.com Sun Jan 22 16:12:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22464 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 00:12:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 00:12:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 00:12:20 -0000 Received: from D333DQ61 (cpe-024-211-044-209.sc.res.rr.com [24.211.44.209]) by ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id k0ME7C1u009818 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:07:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001b01c61f5d$24f47d20$6e01a8c0@D333DQ61> To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:07:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "WNMB" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IMAGINE THE LOUCK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=jcqSthkJecJ-3Aeysg3IEhl_owzXzkRHX-9hGlNwFvKQ-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Joe! The cart unit ( a stereo Tapecaster) gets used about once every 6 months to dub a song from cart (we used to use gobs of songs on carts) to the computer. Have a great day! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: JC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 11:39 PM Subject: {AMSF} IMAGINE THE LOUCK My wife just bought a '98 Ford Taurus. I mentioned before that w e had rented a brand new Ford minivan that had a C-QUAM radio in it.Funny looking thing it is. The radio is mounted in a round bubble in the middle of the dash with the heater controls. Great sound. Imagine my delight at discovering that her new Taurus has C-QUAM, too! Now if I could just get some good country or oldies music on one of my AM's and convince the big bosses to spring for an upgrade. I know we'd have at least one faithful listener. me! Bill, Nice studios! I noticed the Spotcaster cart machine. 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Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Jan 22 17:30:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25884 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 01:30:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 01:30:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 01:30:25 -0000 Received: from fl-71-53-156-110.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.53.156.110] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F0qSp-00050w-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:25:47 -0500 Message-ID: <006701c61fbb$efc5a250$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060122165259.96591.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:25:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo going online this spring X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=VsMHbBIZisCSOHzAAwzCK5RuB_EVAnAoa6txsw2IlJY8VE4WdnzRM5csaAYiwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > Haven't been stereo in a long time and after the bankruptcy and sale doing > black gospel Shows ya how long I have been out of the loop! LOL > > WTZQ can be heard close in. Standards oldies mix, and live during the > daytime. WFIS Founatain INN is predominant unlees you get close to > Hendersonville. So did WTZQ get legal? or did Joe actually spend some money on the tower? The last time I was in Greenville, WTZQ was solid all of the way to Easley and North Greenville. At my home in Piedmont, you had to null out one to listen to the other. When WTZQ was 5KW Directional, you could hear WFIS all of the way to the NC line. I have heard WFIS a few times here in Florida when it was running on "Night Time Sports Authority". The BE AM-1A sounds a Helluva lot better than the Harris SX-1A ever did. > > >Citadel's WOMG-FM 103.1 Columbia http://www.womg.com/ makes it up into > >Newberry County pretty good. > > But nor much more than that. I generally loose it around the Laurens County line on I-385. That is where you start getting into WRIX-FM. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w6yn@juno.com Sun Jan 22 21:44:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23182 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 05:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 05:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 05:44:00 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB7J5AHAUMK6KS for (sender ); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:39:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LFDKD8FH; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:38:42 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:37:57 -0800 Message-ID: <20060122.213803.468.9.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,8,10,14,17-32767 X-ContentStamp: 3:4:71589525 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLB7lGryhugNd7EdkoBQusKs= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: WKY goes Spanish X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=mcvarRWGUHRbuC_EwdMjRNyiyGmKptmH28HGkVUW2g X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WKY-AM 930, Oklahoma=92s first radio station, switched Monday to Spanish language programming.=20 The station dropped its news/talk format and began simulcasting Spanish station KINB-FM 105.3, also owned by Citadel Communications.=20 WKY, reportedly the first radio station west of the Mississippi River, had been a news/talk station since it was acquired by Citadel from The Oklahoma Publishing Co. in December 2002. OPUBCO bought the station in 1928.=20 Under Citadel ownership, WKY=92s local news/talk was a distant second behind news/talk leader KTOK-AM 1000, which carries syndicated talk show hosts, including Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Sun Jan 22 22:13:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86082 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 06:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 06:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (207.69.195.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 06:13:06 -0000 Received: from emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.138]) by fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F0srd-0002W9-Vp for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:59:33 -0500 Received: from fl-71-53-156-110.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.53.156.110] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F0sdI-0004GH-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:44:44 -0500 Message-ID: <00e001c61fcf$5908ad30$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060122194832.55034.qmail@web25812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:44:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.195.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo going online this spring X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=cEWD-E1pMJ_uCghdYaklDtsync-ZsR-VH8R2uh6GDKVRyHKNfWfBJfonnbGKxw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Bell wrote: > I tried all the stations you mentioned and all I get is dead air. Even the one in sleasley. Ha, thats the nickname for Easley. You should get yourself a GOOD AM radio and build a loop antenna. Almost anywhere in the upstate, you should here SOMETHING on almost every single channel from 540 to 1600 AND a couple of X-Banders. With a GOOD FM tuner and antenna, there is something on every FM channel from 88.1 to 107.9, along with a couple of Pirates on 87.9. Here are the links to the stuff you need: http://www.alphadeltacom.com/pg7.htm http://beradio.com/news/radio_shieldedloop_am_antenna/index.html http://www.fanfare.com/drant-all.html http://www.audiocubes.com/category/Portable+Audio_Radio,+Cassette+Players/product/Sony_SRF-A300_FM,AM_Radio.html http://www.fanfare.com/fta-100-sht.html http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/spcialty/0547.html http://www.magnumdynalab.com/tubeoverview.htm http://www.magnumdynalab.com/antennaoverview.htm http://users.tns.net/~bb/index.html As I write this, I am listening to Smooth Jazz http://www.wsjt.com/ on my trusty old FT-101A http://www.magnumdynalab.com/fmtuner-ft101a.htm fed by a Channel Master Stereo Probe 9. I have a dead quiet signal at my location 98 miles from the transmitter. Due to the fact Channel Master no longer produces the Stereo Probe line, you now have to build it yourself if you want one. Here is how: http://pages.cthome.net/fmdx/CmFM.html http://users.tns.net/~bb/probe9.htm Tonight I have my soldering iron warmed up and just finished building a Grenade transmitter to play with :-) I also got a kewl new software driven audio processor, so if you hear Alternative Rock music on 6925.....I don't know anything about it! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jan 22 22:29:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25707 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 06:29:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 06:29:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.223) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 06:29:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 06:29:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 06:29:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 06:29:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:29:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060122.213803.468.9.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.4.147 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: WKY goes Spanish X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=mJFK6OkDmA6VC9EP0TfqeqjJADDbW11wwwKt6gJw1OQFl3Lg X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury =20 wrote: > > WKY, reportedly the first radio station west of the Mississippi River, What, BEFORE KQW (now KCBS)? http://www.charlesherrold.org/ http://www.oldradio.com/archives/stations/sf/kqw.htm http://www.bayarearadio.org/schneider/kqw.shtml http://www.bayarearadio.org/audio/kqw/kqw_30th-anniv_nov-10-1945.shtml http://www.bayarearadio.org/schneider/herrold3.shtml Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 23 00:28:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5026 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 08:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 08:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.246) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 08:28:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 47199 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2006 08:21:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20060123082128.47197.qmail@web25813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.4.152.237] by web25813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:21:28 PST Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:21:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00e001c61fcf$5908ad30$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo going online this spring X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=9PxbDPuHhtykO7qtpgGv-ylY2f21slBaW9rTynPUcaZLtXIijkDC X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Possum, Well I did tune in 1490 AM. It says its in AM Stereo but I have to admit that it is the weirdest station i've ever heard. Nothing on it goes together. It's totally eclectic. That Randy Mathena guy has a wild idea about radio! They also don't have jingles or anything. It's too much like a lo-fi version of a satellite channel for me. I like the jingles and on air personality like a station such as WNMB. I just can't be stolen from their listenership! Ha! Can't wait till another trip to myrtle beach! Enjoyed looking at those antenna options. There doesn't seem to be that many options though for outdoor AM antennas. There needs to be something available locally like something at radio shack. I have their FM Antenna although presently it is not in use because when the roof was re-shingled it was taken down and never put back up. I need to put it back up when I get time. I used to get the oldies station from Atlanta ( I live in Greenville, SC) on FM using that Antenna. I think it was 96.1 and I got that other oldies station from charlotte on 97.1. Man I miss having that antenna up. Wouldn't mind finding an AM Antenna to put up on the same pole. -Kevin --- Possum Hunter wrote: --------------------------------- Kevin Bell wrote: > I tried all the stations you mentioned and all I get is dead air. Even the one in sleasley. Ha, thats the nickname for Easley. You should get yourself a GOOD AM radio and build a loop antenna. Almost anywhere in the upstate, you should here SOMETHING on almost every single channel from 540 to 1600 AND a couple of X-Banders. With a GOOD FM tuner and antenna, there is something on every FM channel from 88.1 to 107.9, along with a couple of Pirates on 87.9. Here are the links to the stuff you need: http://www.alphadeltacom.com/pg7.htm http://beradio.com/news/radio_shieldedloop_am_antenna/index.html http://www.fanfare.com/drant-all.html http://www.audiocubes.com/category/Portable+Audio_Radio,+Cassette+Players/product/Sony_SRF-A300_FM,AM_Radio.html http://www.fanfare.com/fta-100-sht.html http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/spcialty/0547.html http://www.magnumdynalab.com/tubeoverview.htm http://www.magnumdynalab.com/antennaoverview.htm http://users.tns.net/~bb/index.html As I write this, I am listening to Smooth Jazz http://www.wsjt.com/ on my trusty old FT-101A http://www.magnumdynalab.com/fmtuner-ft101a.htm fed by a Channel Master Stereo Probe 9. I have a dead quiet signal at my location 98 miles from the transmitter. Due to the fact Channel Master no longer produces the Stereo Probe line, you now have to build it yourself if you want one. Here is how: http://pages.cthome.net/fmdx/CmFM.html http://users.tns.net/~bb/probe9.htm Tonight I have my soldering iron warmed up and just finished building a Grenade transmitter to play with :-) I also got a kewl new software driven audio processor, so if you hear Alternative Rock music on 6925.....I don't know anything about it! Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Jan 23 05:09:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54428 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 13:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 13:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 13:09:23 -0000 Received: from fl-71-53-156-110.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.53.156.110] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F11Pk-00007j-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:07:20 -0500 Message-ID: <006401c6201d$f0c858c0$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060123082128.47197.qmail@web25813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:07:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo going online this spring X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=wS8UIUoOYZkYuXUzmJsFzfW4Y3iBE6quzIxwdsrMmaf8ksp3q2z7ReHWV6-t7A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin Bell wrote: > Well I did tune in 1490 AM. It says its in AM Stereo I can assure you it is in C-QUAM. I personally put the AM Stereo kit in the Harris MW1A transmitter and installed the (ex-WESC) BE exiter after it was converted to C-QUAM by BE. I understand the MW1A was replaced, but the station is still in Stereo, but is listed to switch to HD-Radio. > >That Randy Mathena guy has a wild idea about radio! They also don't have >jingles or anything. "Radio Free Randy" is a hobby for him. When Randy wants to go "Play radio", he will go in the air live and play mostly jazz. The rest of the time, it is like an iPod on shuffle. > > It's too much like a lo-fi version of a satellite channel for me. There is something wrong with your radio. the sound quality transmitted by WPCI is far better than you will get from XM or Sirius. > > I like the jingles and on air personality like a station such as WNMB. I agree, WNMB is about as good as AM radio gets. I put in in the same class as CHWO. You may also want to try WOHS 730 in Shelby. It puts a decent signal into most of Greenville with an Oldies format. The WOHS website is http://www.theboss.us/page1.html > >There doesn't seem to be that many options though for outdoor AM antennas. >There needs to be something available locally like something at radio >shack. Radio Shack needs to change their name to "Cell Phone Shack" because not a soul in there knows ANYTHING about radios. Rat Shack has a 50' longwire antenna kit, but the Alpha-Delta Sloper works much better. When I lived in Piedmont, I had a big outdoor loop set to null WGVL 1440 so I could hear WCRS 1450. I also used it to null WTZQ so I could hear WFIS. > > I have their FM Antenna although presently it is not in use because when > the roof was re-shingled it was taken down and never put back up. I need > to put it back up when I get time. I used to get the oldies station from > Atlanta ( I live in Greenville, SC) on FM using that Antenna. I think it > was 96.1 and I got that other > oldies station from charlotte on 97.1. Man I miss having that antenna up. > Wouldn't mind finding an AM Antenna to put up on the same pole. Then the Alpha-Delta Sloper is the way to go on the AM antenna.. As far as the out of market FM oldies goes, WFOX 97.1 in Atalanta is now Urban, and WIBT 96.1 in Charlotte is now Hip-Hop. If you want FM oldies, your best bet is WZLA 92.9 from Abbeville. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jan 23 06:04:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40662 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 14:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 14:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (66.193.185.18) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 14:04:11 -0000 Received: from Chris (unverified [207.96.3.36]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.3.454.0) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:36:32 -0500 X-Modus-BlackList: ccuff@in4web.com=OK To: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:36:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <006401c6201d$f0c858c0$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYgHkhBGmUfKAXSTaS1nOjhzKHyEQAA3wXQ X-Originating-IP: 66.193.185.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Several AM stereo radios available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=uLfDU-KN7I6nhmC_dCQnqrkiIUwZHf0y6Nlv1pV77A6b6Kh2TFGk70rz X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Check ebay for new listings.... There are five am stereo walkmans on right now.... Chris From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 23 07:40:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21552 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 15:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 15:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 15:40:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 15:39:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 15:39:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:39:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060123082128.47197.qmail@web25813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.66.111.230 From: "jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo going online this spring X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=ekxF28FcDh5Usz_J6J8hdPdbtE90jcCAhLWNDtWJhrV75pkenUb8nyrzgnsS34EUQDc X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 Hi, Kevin: The best omnidirectional outdoor AM antenna I know of is=20 the MFJ-1024, available from www.mfjenterprises.com, which is an=20 outdoor active antenna that consists of an amplifier and 54 inch=20 whip antenna installed outdoors on a pole, and the control unit=20 installed indoors at your receiver; The biggest disadvantage of=20 doing business with MFJ is that they don't even make many of their=20 products until an order is received, but the MFJ-1024 is a very=20 good "signal puller", and I found that for my own situation, I=20 needed to shorten the whip to 30.5 inches, the same length as a=20 typical car radio antenna, to avoid overload from strong AM signals=20 on 900, 1070, 1240, 1330, 1410 and 1480 here in Wichita, Kansas--- 1070 and 1330 are the strongest of all, but 1480 comes in close=20 behind. = =20 Since I started using this type of antenna for my AM reception at=20 home, I haven't wanted to use anything else, because I know I'm=20 getting the strongest possible signal from what I do want to=20 receive, with the least possible noise and=20 interference. = =20 = =20 = =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell=20 wrote: > > Possum, >=20 > Well I did tune in 1490 AM. It says its in AM > Stereo but I have to admit that it is the weirdest > station i've ever heard. Nothing on it goes together. > It's totally eclectic. That Randy Mathena guy has a > wild idea about radio! They also don't have jingles > or anything. It's too much like a lo-fi version of a > satellite channel for me. I like the jingles and on > air personality like a station such as WNMB. I just > can't be stolen from their listenership! Ha! Can't > wait till another trip to myrtle beach! Enjoyed > looking at those antenna options. There doesn't seem > to be that many options though for outdoor AM > antennas. There needs to be something available > locally like something at radio shack. I have their > FM Antenna although presently it is not in use because > when the roof was re-shingled it was taken down and > never put back up. I need to put it back up when I > get time. I used to get the oldies station from > Atlanta ( I live in Greenville, SC) on FM using that > Antenna. I think it was 96.1 and I got that other > oldies station from charlotte on 97.1. Man I miss > having that antenna up. Wouldn't mind finding an AM > Antenna to put up on the same pole.=20=20 >=20 > -Kevin >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Possum Hunter wrote: >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------- > Kevin Bell wrote: > > I tried all the stations you mentioned and all I > get is dead air. Even the one in sleasley. Ha, thats > the nickname for Easley.=20=20 >=20 > You should get yourself a GOOD AM radio and build a > loop antenna. Almost anywhere in the upstate, you > should here SOMETHING on almost every single channel > from 540 to 1600 AND a couple of X-Banders. With a > GOOD FM tuner and antenna, there is something on every > FM channel from 88.1 to 107.9, along with a couple of > Pirates on 87.9. >=20 > Here are the links to the stuff you need: >=20 > http://www.alphadeltacom.com/pg7.htm > http://beradio.com/news/radio_shieldedloop_am_antenna/index.html > http://www.fanfare.com/drant-all.html >=20 http://www.audiocubes.com/category/Portable+Audio_Radio,+Cassette+Pla yers/product/Sony_SRF-A300_FM,AM_Radio.html > http://www.fanfare.com/fta-100-sht.html > http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/spcialty/0547.html > http://www.magnumdynalab.com/tubeoverview.htm > http://www.magnumdynalab.com/antennaoverview.htm > http://users.tns.net/~bb/index.html >=20 > As I write this, I am listening to Smooth Jazz > http://www.wsjt.com/ on my trusty old FT-101A > http://www.magnumdynalab.com/fmtuner-ft101a.htm fed by > a Channel Master Stereo Probe 9. I have a dead quiet > signal at my location 98 miles from the transmitter. > Due to the fact Channel Master no longer produces the > Stereo Probe line, you now have to build it yourself > if you want one. Here is how:=20 >=20 > http://pages.cthome.net/fmdx/CmFM.html=20 > http://users.tns.net/~bb/probe9.htm=20 >=20 > Tonight I have my soldering iron warmed up and just > finished building a Grenade transmitter to play with > :-) I also got a kewl new software driven audio > processor, so if you hear Alternative Rock music on > 6925.....I don't know anything about it! >=20 > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio.=20 > From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in > frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! 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Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jan 23 07:42:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31452 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 15:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 15:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (66.193.185.18) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 15:42:08 -0000 Received: from Chris (unverified [66.6.180.187]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.3.454.0) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:29:32 -0500 X-Modus-BlackList: ccuff@in4web.com=OK To: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:29:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYgHkhBGmUfKAXSTaS1nOjhzKHyEQAA3wXQAAPxczA= X-Originating-IP: 66.193.185.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Chris Cuff" Subject: Transmitter stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613; y=vTX9g4m-jS-7zuTZVmK4lUFCrHCHeZihPilCDucfZ4Z7G7soz9KL6uGV X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Go see item # 5858226857 on Ebay- I am looking forward to your comments- Thanks! Chris From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 23 08:22:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45796 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 16:22:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 16:22:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.195) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 16:22:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 95489 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2006 16:21:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20060123162155.95487.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.4.152.237] by web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:21:55 PST Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:21:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006401c6201d$f0c858c0$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo going online this spring X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=C1raT3W_npoCn-d24nWuGbI0nblsCo8T-Dh3-Gb4hM4wTAxi7-vm X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Possum, > It's too much like a lo-fi version of a satellite channel for me. What I meant by that is of course my XM Satellite is clearer, much clearer than that but I wasn't talking quality. I meant as in no on air personality, no jingles. XM has wonderful sound quality its just that many of the channels have no personality and no jingles. Thats part of what makes it, personality and a live person! -Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kya1260@lycos.com Mon Jan 23 11:56:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kya1260@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52755 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 19:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 19:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fallback.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.120) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 19:56:52 -0000 Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing2.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by fallback.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA2E1C07044 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:54:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 81229180034A for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:48:17 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 23 Jan 2006 19:48:17 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6F25686B11; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:48:16 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amymousie@yahoo.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:48:14 -0800 Received: from [68.126.151.198] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kya1260@lycos.com; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:48:14 -0800 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060123194816.6F25686B11@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Arnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WKY goes Spanish X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193313581; y=rb_2X4tTiOJ0t6aP3v6sxDgtQwunlUBuZ2TXluvvsn9CBpkbfA X-Yahoo-Profile: YIPEitsDJJ And W K Y is not even second in that statistic... K W G 1230 K C in Stockton was the second station West of=20 the Great River to sign on (in 1921), of which I am proud=20 to have worked there - my first radio job in 1980-81... --jay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amy Mousie" > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: WKY goes Spanish > Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:29:06 -0000 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: > > > > WKY, reportedly the first radio station west of the Mississippi River, >=20 > What, BEFORE KQW (now KCBS)? >=20 > http://www.charlesherrold.org/ > http://www.oldradio.com/archives/stations/sf/kqw.htm > http://www.bayarearadio.org/schneider/kqw.shtml > http://www.bayarearadio.org/audio/kqw/kqw_30th-anniv_nov-10-1945.shtml > http://www.bayarearadio.org/schneider/herrold3.shtml >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > What's the GoldVine about? < http://www.kvyn.com/GoldVine.htm > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From badeditpro@charter.net Mon Jan 23 13:04:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@charter.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91429 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 21:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 21:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf03.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.203) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 21:04:31 -0000 Received: from mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.140]) by mxsf03.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k0NL4BwT002993 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:04:11 -0500 Received: from 66-190-195-204.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com (HELO yourfd6nvjcer4) ([66.190.195.204]) by mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 16:04:11 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,212,1136178000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="2053916144:sNHT46233626" Message-ID: <001801c62060$90e05cd0$ccc3be42@yourfd6nvjcer4> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:04:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Harris Audio Time Base Corrector X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228724929; y=WSgN1biJikvQ-_IbVds26pC_QjxO3531uX3SPp-Tymsd8sU1I6umXMpuLoxs X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reading Bill's reply about his Tapecaster Cart machine. jarred some long dormant synapses in my brain that contain some interesting AMS related trivia. My first real radio gig was at WTAR in Norfolk, VA. They had a truly awesome C-QUAM signal and we played Gold based AC. That's where my fascination with AMS started. All of the music was on 3M Scotch carts (Later ITC Carts) and we had ITC Delta and SP cart machines for playback. They had an ingenious system to avoid stereo phase errors that are inherent with stereo carts. It worked like this: There was a unit in the production studio that injected a signal into the main mix of the board that recorded some sort of time code on to all of the carts and any other analog tape that got recorded in there. As I recall, the carrier frequency was set at 19 KHz. That frequency is just about the uppermost limit of analog tape and would be stripped off by the filtering in the audio processing before it could get into the stereo pilot an FM'er. There was a decoder in the rack just before the audio processing that picked up this signal, multiplied it out to 75 KHz to recover the time code info and then applied the necessary time-base correction to the audio to eliminate phase errors and flutter problems in the audio. The decoder was a big ol' thing with two great big VU meters on the front of it. One of the curious things about this system was that it introduced a delay into the program audio. The decoder was hooked into the microphone tally relays so it would not give a live announcer any annoying echo in his headphones while talking over the intro or outro of a sing. I used to have fun with that delay. I'd run into the prod studio during a live baseball game and record a completely blank cart. I'd then wait for a pause in the game and play the blank cart back mixed in with the game audio. This would cause the decoder to kick in and initiate a 40 or so microsecond delay. The play-by-play guy would start to talk and get this funky echo in his headphones and he'd stutter all over the place. No one ever figured out what I was doing because I didn't do it enough to for any of the sports guys to see a pattern. Still, it was funny as hell and I'd laugh my butt off back in the studio. Anything to stay awake during a boring game, you know. This thing was really cool. You never heard anything out of phase on the air and it would even work on a high quality cassette as long as you didn't use any Dolby noise reduction. Dolby seemed to color the audio enough to screw up the 19 KHz carrier tone and the decoder would not get enough to work properly. WTAR had a strong commitment to quality audio and that Harris TBC was just one of the many cool things about that station. I used to play a game with folks where I would get the guy across the hall on the FM station to lay the exact same song at the exact same time. I'd then invite my guests to try and figure out what station they were listening to as I would switch the air monitors back and forth. Invariably, they would choose WTAR as being the better sounding of the two stations and assume that it was our sister station, WLTY they were listening to. When I would tell them that it was WTAR, they would exclaim, "That's AM"! WTAR's AMS was turned off years ago shortly after they switched to all talk. What a shame that was. Everything about that facility was built specifically to deliver high quality music programming. What a waste... I think the door slammed shut on AMS completely when the frequency was swapped with WNIS in 1997. WNIS's studio was wired strictly in mono the last time I was there and God only knows what's happened to the Motorola C-QUAM exciter and mod monitor WTAR used to have. I wonder if there is anyone else here who may have worked with one of the Harris audio TBC's? WTAR could not have been the only station that had one... Please let me know. :) Joe Collins [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon Jan 23 13:19:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52177 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 21:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 21:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 21:19:55 -0000 Received: from m4.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m4.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB7LT6BAHPCC6J for (sender ); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:15:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LFE8Y67B; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:15:18 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:41:38 -0800 Message-ID: <20060123.131423.2556.1.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,8-11,17-18,25-26,29-33,35-49,50-32767 X-ContentStamp: 12:6:2896207480 X-MAIL-INFO:5c39ed313985cd7c583575bc3505bc28254c1d41bc012c3c2d8d6df9a921a549d9810c0ca53d3c4175c93d4905cd8128a8b85c857598095d0d5dac8c6c8c6ccc556cfc1911d159c191b5c91971d969c1c81ca1489cb5f1bd599c09414de9cc78ec6c39cc657d818cfcb10cb975ad759dbc119df5a8d8add1383819819958dd011d0158e141352ca53175edcd39590511cdd9c5c58c15098c9c090d5555accc557c71c159e9c861dd5918dcc89108f84df12d485db5f1696cf12541eccc4d78a15555b12d61dc1c212d00356c6c4c5501b1788de57d210c5c1da5011839004c2c0c494c41cdc881edbcb57c58117575d82108b8ddd8d91c313148 b9dc289df8115cdd61e9c871dcfc18693888686559e8a1ec1105486cec554c6868b14dcc1ce8d5c59c6ce558fc08cced2155b165e579b1190cad6d453c49414c2d38dd811d85e1e1bc78ec8d413dad357528113585ccdd58b9f55c1c75a9d1b53c0cb9bcd9c8c9a9c91888d9b5916971a50938b56989c15dc5ac09ac0c688ca1 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLOT9JkIhHbtq2N+P4sgz5Qo= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m4.nyc.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.22.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WKY goes Spanish X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=WPMvlbOHgBZA3TEl6V4_FyRpwGrD0va4g3v64cp5Jw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sure glad I used the word "reportedly" because I was sure Citadel was wrong. Thanks for the URLs More on Citadel: The Walt Disney Company is near a deal to sell its ABC Radio unit to Citadel Broadcasting, the nation's fifth-largest radio broadcaster, for nearly $3 billion, according to people involved in the deal. Citadel now owns and operates 155 FM and 58 AM radio stations in 47 markets in 24 states across the country, but most of those markets are outside of the major cities. The sale of ABC, which owns and operates 73 stations in many top markets and a syndicated network with programming including "The Sean Hannity Show," comes just as Disney is considering an acquisition of Pixar Animation Studios. Disney has long planned to sell its ABC Radio business, which it does not consider part of its core operations. It put the business up for sale over the summer, and the auction process has dragged on for several months. ABC Radio was founded in 1943 after the Federal Communications Commission forced NBC to sell one of the two radio networks founded by RCA/NBC in 1926. Don On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:29:06 -0000 "Amy Mousie" writes: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: > > > > WKY, reportedly the first radio station west of the Mississippi > River, > > What, BEFORE KQW (now KCBS)? > > http://www.charlesherrold.org/ > http://www.oldradio.com/archives/stations/sf/kqw.htm > http://www.bayarearadio.org/schneider/kqw.shtml > http://www.bayarearadio.org/audio/kqw/kqw_30th-anniv_nov-10-1945.shtml > http://www.bayarearadio.org/schneider/herrold3.shtml > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 23 13:34:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24933 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 21:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 21:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.221) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 21:34:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 21:32:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 21:32:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 21:32:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:32:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060123194816.6F25686B11@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.4.147 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WKY goes Spanish X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=7DxtcF9DbzSQ0wc1YJ-yNjv1tajvftyF4xH2MRc_mrfv-MI2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Arnold" wrote: > > And W K Y is not even second in that statistic... > K W G 1230 K C in Stockton was the second station West of=20 > the Great River to sign on (in 1921), of which I am proud=20 > to have worked there - my first radio job in 1980-81... One of the BIG mistakes in broadcasting history is to count=20 the "beginning of radio" from the moment of who went on air with the=20 first commercial licenses. Before the US Government started issuing commercial licenses in 1921,=20 there were as many as 3 dozen broadcasters scattered across the=20 country. Before then, it was entirely amateur radio operators, who, at=20 that time, were allowed to broadcast music and other things that today=20 we'd expect of community broadcasters. There was even a governmenbt=20 issued moratorium in broadcasting during ouyr involvement in what would=20 become known as World War 1, between 1917 and 1919. But yes, there was broadcasting before 1920...and San Jose, CA's KGW,=20 later to become San Francisco's KCBS 740, was the first- Started in=20 1909, commenced regular broadcasting by 1912, and had its first wide=20 public demonstration of radio in 1915, at San Francisco's Panama- Pacific International Exposition. They knew then, this was going to be big. Really big. A century of broadcast- Especially since THIS year marks Lee de=20 Forest's first experimental audio broadcasts and his invention of the=20 Audion, the first radio tube. (And de Forest also developed the first=20 practical sound-on-film technique, "Phonofilm", in 1020, a means of=20 optical recording that's still in use today.... And he was a San=20 Francisco boy.) Even quadrature AM was invented in 1913, later to be implemented in=20 numerous AM stereo schemes. Radio accompliished alot very early on! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 23 14:52:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59883 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 22:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 22:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.216) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 22:52:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 59938 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2006 18:51:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20060123185155.59934.qmail@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.22] by web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:51:55 PST Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:51:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006701c61fbb$efc5a250$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo going online this spring X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=o87SgUWSxNf9lIy1AHnQ-X2qTLNnq9asLN4wzzApQuw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > Haven't been stereo in a long time and after the > bankruptcy and sale doing > > black gospel > > Shows ya how long I have been out of the loop! LOL > > > > WTZQ can be heard close in. Standards oldies mix, > and live during the > > daytime. WFIS Founatain INN is predominant unlees > you get close to > > Hendersonville. > > So did WTZQ get legal? or did Joe actually spend > some money on the tower? WTZQ most likely except nights. > I have heard WFIS a few > times here in Florida > when it was running on "Night Time Sports > Authority". The BE AM-1A sounds a > Helluva lot better than the Harris SX-1A ever did. The BE AM-1A sounds better than the SX series and Gates series. It has the "Gates PDM fuzz" sound. > > >Citadel's WOMG-FM 103.1 Columbia > http://www.womg.com/ makes it up into > > >Newberry County pretty good. > > > > But nor much more than that. > > I generally loose it around the Laurens County line > on I-385. That is where > you start getting into WRIX-FM. Yep. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Mon Jan 23 18:40:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32300 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 02:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 02:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 02:40:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 02:39:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 02:39:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 02:39:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060123185155.59934.qmail@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.181.95 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Ed De La Hunt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=FX1pTWGH8JUwHAUHhtH4Pu4oZLw-H8Xv3F3zV2VFsrlt3Tg4WXdHjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 This hasn't been mentioned here yet. But there is a fasinating interview in Radio World with Ed De La Hunt, owne= r of several=20 small market AM and FM stations concerning his (and other station owners) t= ake on IBOC=20 and what he sees is the future for digital radio. http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/special-report/01_rw_page_4_feb_1b.s= html db From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Mon Jan 23 19:13:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90909 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 03:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 03:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 03:13:41 -0000 Received: from fl-71-53-156-110.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.53.156.110] helo=PossumHunter) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F1EVI-0005Cq-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:05:56 -0500 Message-ID: <00fc01c62093$1771c090$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060123185155.59934.qmail@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:05:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo going online this spring X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=aGN2GoBBg-15tpt8V4odzK2FXk7FYz5_Z3Mii_NV0DNmTIu5vxttRgFwqCIVYw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > The BE AM-1A sounds better than the SX series and Gates series. It has > the "Gates PDM fuzz" sound. I agree. With the AM Stereo kit and a few semiconductor upgrades, even the MW1A sounds MUCH better than the SX/Gates transmitters. The best sounding 1KW transmitter out of the Harris-Gates camp was the BC1G. I will have to say the BC5H that WQOK had sure sounded sweet. LeRoy Hamilton did the audio mods on that one. WQOK also had a low hours BC1G that LeRoy Hamilton upgraded the audio on. I wonder if WLUA is still using the old WHPB MW1A? Once upon a time that station had wonderful audio when it was doing Southern Gospel. Stan Woodward set that one up. Have you listened to the RF Cast AT1K5 transmitter? The one at WDRF 1510 has some of that fuzz to it on 1KW, but when running on the 250 Watt mode, it is so muffled and distorted, it is hard to understand what is being said on the air. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From stodd@mpcinternet.net Mon Jan 23 19:22:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+v4IY+32+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4880 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 03:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 03:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 03:22:56 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.235]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 46203810 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:22:29 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c62096$40bf4d20$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:28:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 64.61.212.235 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Transmitter stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=SQshh3Lf3z_8zutVXn6h6x9V-o7DaLlwtAINS83Tfa4t7o83HbXq X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's pretty cool, Chris! I wouldn't need it in a package that small, but maybe someone else would? Scott Todd PS- those carbon filament Christmas lamps were so cool. Don't have the $$ to spend (or the required PayPal account) to bid, but even my wife was impressed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" > Go see item # 5858226857 on Ebay- I am looking forward to your comments- > Thanks! From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Jan 24 00:31:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31069 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 08:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 08:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.187) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 08:31:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 99132 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2006 16:31:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20060123163111.99130.qmail@web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.4.152.237] by web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:31:11 PST Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:31:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kevin Bell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Several AM stereo radios available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ODVXd8i98E-p49Yv4OLLFq2wBlZLRxHjG-jO1jsnNc3O1hTCQcNp X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Ok group I have a question. If we are really going to push AM Stereo we have got to quit focusing solely on walkmans and small radios. Now that is great for a location like WNMB because Myrtle is a tourist area and lots of people are in their cars and TONS and I mean TONS are down on the beach in the summer so of course they will listen to portables. For folks like myself in upstate or other areas we need to focus on whats out there as in Audiophile tuners. I am not much of a portable person myself except in the car or like I said previously "down on the beach". I don't invest lots in car radios like these kids do today. I prefer something nice at home on a shelf. A component. I don't know if you guys saw it on WNMB's site or not but when I go to the beach I drag along a home receiver, speakers, and tape deck. Yes they are all taken in their original boxes too! I can't be without my music and I require quality. I was never a headphone person because I can't stand something on my head with a wire hanging down. So yeah a set of bookshelf speakers go along with me to Myrtle. Anyway guys my point is #1. What are the options for component style tuners, preferably something in the 17 inch component width. and #2 Which amongst those are the best quality?. The little radio shack ones didn't look too shabby from the photo's i've seen but i've never seen one in real life. Also how much should one pay for one of those if one should be found second hand? Advise. -Kevin --- Chris Cuff wrote: --------------------------------- Check ebay for new listings.... There are five am stereo walkmans on right now.... Chris Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amstereoforum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 02:23:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18057 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 10:23:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 10:23:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 10:23:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 10:23:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 10:23:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 10:23:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:23:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060123163111.99130.qmail@web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.4.147 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Several AM stereo radios available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=PuO6YeSIeZDLbQvsmyzK4r05J6BrqCdnrTADHPufPV05zew4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Bell =20 wrote: > For folks like > myself in upstate or other areas we need to focus on > whats out there as in Audiophile tuners.=20=20 Oh, you mean like this baby? http://fanfare.com/fta-100-sht.html As for the Radio Shack TM-152 (Which was sold between 1985-1990, FWIW),=20 you might find it in flea markets or goodwill/thrift stores or even=20 garage sales for between $5-$25-- It retailed for $50. The quality=20 varies, so it's a good idea to ask someone who knows AM stereo=20 to "upgrade" one. :) Mine is actually a good one, but there have been=20 lemons. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 08:39:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27269 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 16:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 16:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 16:39:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 21376 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jan 2006 16:32:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20060124163215.21374.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.254.135.27] by web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:32:15 PST Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:32:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1138103589.790.55052.m17@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Home Tuners: AM Stereo Tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=SMH7n8syGYcAMeogw5uQqKkYST8FO9zuy2eBzmv8eibv4JlUMC9SfOY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio In reply to the gentleman inquiring about an audiophile AM stereo tuners - still in production: on the affordable end is Jeff's tuner at $100, and at the high end ($1400-1800) is the Fanfare FTA-100 tuner. You can also obtain a used MCS tuner if you don't need the expanded AM band above 1620KHz, or (with varying degrees of quality) the Radio Shack TM-152. An automotive AMS tuner from Chrysler or Delco is also a good choice. I will say that the Fanfare tuner is truly top-notch, and I highly recommend it. I believe someone on this list liked it so well that they bought two of them, so that should tell you how great these tuners are. Be sure to go to the Fanfare Electronics website to listen to the over-the-air AM stereo samples. Contact me off-list if you have any questions. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 10:47:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45129 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 18:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 18:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30015.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.218) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 18:47:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 32387 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jan 2006 18:47:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20060124184708.32385.qmail@web30015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.216.177] by web30015.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:47:08 PST Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:47:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00fc01c62093$1771c090$6705a8c0@PossumHunter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo going online this spring X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=46ETWQMghrr0JTuE3bnCFasCqc8pag6DaLXBk3DKD1s X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > The BE AM-1A sounds better than the SX series and > Gates series. It has > > the "Gates PDM fuzz" sound. > > I agree. With the AM Stereo kit and a few > semiconductor upgrades, even the > MW1A sounds MUCH better than the SX/Gates > transmitters. The best sounding > 1KW transmitter out of the Harris-Gates camp was the > BC1G. The RCA BTA 1R1 and 1R2 sounded better. > I wonder if WLUA is still using the old WHPB MW1A? > Once upon a time that > station had wonderful audio when it was doing > Southern Gospel. Stan Woodward > set that one up. > > Have you listened to the RF Cast AT1K5 transmitter? Where is WLUA? > The one at WDRF 1510 has > some of that fuzz to it on 1KW, but when running on > the 250 Watt mode, it is > so muffled and distorted, it is hard to understand > what is being said on the > air. I don't think they have that one as every time I go by it sounds good. Since they went oldies, they have been 1000 watts 7/24. Kevin, see if you can hear them in Florida and report back. > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Jan 24 12:44:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95731 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 20:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 20:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 20:44:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:43:44 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 66.35.191.97 by BAY101-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:43:44 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com To: References: <20060124184708.32385.qmail@web30015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:43:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2006 20:43:44.0934 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE56C460:01C62126] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: RF Cast Transmitters and WDRF was: Another AM Stereo going online this spring X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=dyPrabLYYIgypiVCzCtwAmmjNycBdbcxi8Hba6iKFBfbxi0C-BZHNONmrGn2Vg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > The RCA BTA 1R1 and 1R2 sounded better. True, the RCA BTA 1R transmitters had audio second to none, but I was talking about the boxes out of the Harris camp. I also LOVE the audio from a BTA1S, even if they are hard on tubes. On the other hand, I have heard few that sound as bad as the McMartin BA1K or CCA AM1000D. > > Where is WLUA? AM 1390 in Belton. > > I don't think they have that one as every time I go by it sounds good. The Rf Cast doesn't sound bad on full power. Not as clean as the BE, but better than a SX1A. It is on low power they get nasty. > > Since they went oldies, they have been 1000 watts 7/24. Kevin, see if you can hear them in Florida and report back. HOLY SMOKES! Does WLAC know about them running 1KW 24 Hours? When I was there when it was WJKI, We would get phone calls if we were even a little late for the critical hours power-down to 250 Watts. The night I rebuilt the BC1G we powered it up at midnight with bluegrass at 1KW to balance the tubes and make it "happy" for sign on the next day. WLAC was on the phone in less than 5 minutes to complain about it! I looked up WDRF on the FCC web site and they are still 1KW Day / 250W Critical Hours with no PSA or PSSA. WLAC must not be as protective of their channel as they once were. When Billboard owned WLAC, they nearly sued S.J. Workman out of business when he first put the station on the air as WSJW, and they went after Senator Strom Thurman for pushing the station through the FCC. WLAC also was a constant legal PITA for Jackie Cooper when he owned it as WJKI. I will try it here in Ocala, but when I was there, you could hear WLAC instead of WDRF in the GM's radio in his office just before sign-off in critical hours. Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 24 15:42:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84793 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 23:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 23:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.207) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 23:42:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 83735 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 23:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimu1qk1c5bfjl) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.143.56.33 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 23:42:38 -0000 Message-ID: <000801bf54d1$7d2b7000$b174fea9@jimu1qk1c5bfjl> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 19:28:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: The last one in the valley. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=EjdZSkxJ1N03j_6KGY-tZY0y8MESxwoXRJMwBrPFImlk8ZfjA6e4uizXer5ZwhyDnoykMezy X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Folks Well it looks like the last AM STEREO went to mono here in the valley. KCBC AM 770 Riverbank Ca 50kw. Never did lissened it that much . Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 16:18:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72716 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 00:18:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2006 00:18:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 00:18:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 27637 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2006 00:17:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20060125001751.27635.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.76.217.139] by web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:17:51 PST Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:17:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RF Cast Transmitters and WDRF was: Another AM Stereo going online this spring X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=36BTppeCjUjoX4LncH3MoRdKhi18HGSZ9XlRDM9MSb4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > Since they went oldies, they have been 1000 watts > 7/24. Kevin, see if you can hear them in Florida and > report back. > > HOLY SMOKES! Does WLAC know about them running 1KW > 24 Hours? AHEM! They do NOW. >When I was there when it was WJKI, We > would get phone calls if we were even a little late > for the critical hours power-down to 250 Watts. The > night I rebuilt the BC1G we powered it up at > midnight with bluegrass at 1KW to balance the tubes > and make it "happy" for sign on the next day. WLAC > was on the phone in less than 5 minutes to complain > about it! If you are doing a legal test during the experimental period, there's not much they can say. > I looked up WDRF on the FCC web site and they are > still 1KW Day / 250W Critical Hours with no PSA or > PSSA. WLAC must not be as protective of their > channel as they once were. Well CC owns it, and I guess they didn't know. > When Billboard owned WLAC, they nearly sued S.J. > Workman out of business when he first put the > station on the air as WSJW, and they went after > Senator Strom Thurman for pushing the station > through the FCC. WLAC also was a constant legal PITA > for Jackie Cooper when he owned it as WJKI. When I worked there around 1970 or 71, some early mornings on critical hours WLAC obliterated WSJW until close. One AM when I signed on, and it was still dark that time of month, even on 250 watts I could hear WLAC under the carrier. > I will try it here in Ocala, but when I was there, > you could hear WLAC instead of WDRF in the GM's > radio in his office just before sign-off in critical > hours. > > Kevin in The Ocala National Forest Yep. I found that with the RCA TRF I had to get to within 10 feet of the tower, and that was a test at 1000 watts. Powell w4opw@americanbroadcastdx.com NNNN! From pwhatzit@earthlink.net Tue Jan 24 18:10:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: pwhatzit@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65301 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 02:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2006 02:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 02:10:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2006 02:09:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2006 02:09:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:09:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.181.95 From: "dbdigital2004" Subject: Re: Transmitter stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109514948; y=gs7VgHfToUbbdtM9_1JF5mY3TiPt5rMc_eS__CD6CxXNJVNaQuxuSw X-Yahoo-Profile: dbdigital2004 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > > Go see item # 5858226857 on Ebay- I am looking forward to your comments- > Thanks! > Chris > Looks like a great little TX, Chris. What's the output power? Does it use= replacable=20 crystals or is it frequency agile?=20 I see it uses a 9V battery. Can it work on A/C as well? db From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Jan 24 18:44:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24098 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 02:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2006 02:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 02:44:12 -0000 Received: from fl-71-53-156-110.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.53.156.110] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F1aUo-0005yA-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:34:54 -0500 Message-ID: <00cb01c62157$ec51e820$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> To: References: <20060125001751.27635.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:34:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: WDRF was: RF Cast Transmitters and WDRF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=RulNGl5zU12rzsKISJteGEkj5dvhs_gNELQi_9hYvuDsR0ZgfxVsreqKYpK72g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > Since they went oldies, they have been 1000 watts 7/24. Kevin, see if you > can hear them in Florida and report back. OK, when I left from work at about 5:30 (critical hours) WDRF was rock solid with music. As the sun went down, WLAC started fading in. At 6PM, Both stations were at about the same strength. By 6:30 WLAC had a full signal, but I could hear SC Sports Talk under Hannity on WLAC. Right now, I hear WDRF in the deep fades of WLAC on my car radio, and I can null WLAC with my loop and hear WDRF pretty solid. > > If you are doing a legal test during the experimental period, there's not > much they can say. All they could do is gripe, and they did! > >One AM when I signed on, and it was still dark that time of month, even on >250 watts I could hear WLAC under the carrier. WDRF's 1/4 wave tower puts as much energy into the Skywave as it does to the local area. They should upgrade to a 225 degree "Anti-Fade" stick. That might be enough to get rid of the critical hours, or at least put a usable local signal into downtown Woodruff. While I am no fan of CC, and I do listen to and support local radio (and pirate radio) It is very irresponsible for a licensed broadcaster to interfere with a Class A Clear the way WDRF is doing. The FCC should BBQ Betty Joyce Lewis for operating WDRF in this manner. Also, I heard a voice I recognized on a spot. Is B.J Hart-Landers (ex WSSL and WFIS mid days) working at WDRF now? or is she now Mrs. Lewis? Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From possumhunter@peoplepc.com Tue Jan 24 18:51:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19503 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 02:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2006 02:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.112) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 02:51:28 -0000 Received: from fl-71-53-156-110.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net ([71.53.156.110] helo=PossumHunter) by dennison.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F1aj6-0000qV-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:49:40 -0500 Message-ID: <00dc01c62159$fc791f00$6505a8c0@PossumHunter> To: Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:49:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" Subject: WDRF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=188081048; y=6VrGxTLQ8y93FW8uUvHLFlyavJQWqoA4n5FkYEvax9836ivRGwqceavoL7p2Xw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 I wonder how long WDRF's old web site will still be up? http://www.cyberchurch.com/WDRF/ Kevin in The Ocala National Forest There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kc8gpd28@hotmail.com Tue Jan 24 18:55:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72452 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 02:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2006 02:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.162.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 02:55:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:51:47 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 69.34.88.59 by BAY108-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:51:47 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd28@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd28@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:51:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. 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Chrysafis Universal Life Church (ULC) http://www.ulc.org My Links http://www.freecycle.org http://www.arrl.org http://www.part15.us From kmoreen@yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 09:55:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kmoreen@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59773 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 17:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2006 17:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 17:55:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2006 17:53:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2006 17:53:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:53:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.167.114.39 From: "kmoreen" Subject: Dream AM convertor receiver for my Car X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91684692; y=xdB5rDXJh_ZqNZn1f3KUz4hZS9EIyBuSRP55wNzFI4jzPg X-Yahoo-Profile: kmoreen Anyone make a wide band AM radio that could be mounted to the car=20 windshield with suction cups, has its own antenna, is powered from a=20 cigarette lighter and has a line level out? My AM radio has the worse BW that I refuse to listen to it. Would it=20 be possible to find a add in radio and if so how much would it cost?=20=20 Is it even possible to make a radio with good reception and bandwidth=20 in this type of configuration? Please let me know what you think. Thanks K From jimsmith@vfr.net Wed Jan 25 14:10:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87899 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 22:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2006 22:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 22:10:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2006 22:06:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2006 22:06:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:06:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.142.236.183 From: "jimsmith95663" Subject: Re: Dream AM convertor receiver for my Car X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673; y=s_Vrjp353Oog21mMBhGA3V-m2qSI2VfFIXpBYqaZ5pczq0vMlLAx0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kmoreen" wrote: > > Anyone make a wide band AM radio that could be mounted to the car=20 > windshield with suction cups, has its own antenna, is powered from a=20 > cigarette lighter and has a line level out? >=20 > My AM radio has the worse BW that I refuse to listen to it. Would it=20 > be possible to find a add in radio and if so how much would it cost?=20=20 > Is it even possible to make a radio with good reception and bandwidth=20 > in this type of configuration? >=20 > Please let me know what you think. >=20 > Thanks > K > Hi You Mite talk to Jeck Deck. He mite be able to make his little AM=20 STEREO tuner in to a car model. He is at http://meduci.com or ebay on=20 this site or the Metro Sound radio adaps to you car radio through the=20 fm side. I have never herd one but i have herd it sounds good. Jim=20 Smith From starship_2001@msn.com Wed Jan 25 14:56:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82147 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 22:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2006 22:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.161.82) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 22:56:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:56:37 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.240.205.18 by BAY106-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:56:36 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:56:36 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2006 22:56:37.0738 (UTC) FILETIME=[98E9DCA0:01C62202] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.161.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Home Tuners: AM Stereo Tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=_LwgU3yxX6JHKj-sPTRlq2IdkwUFaU5L0oUcQtKk3wBPZUVuRjxv3cnmVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to add to this. If using headphnes is NOT an issue and you don't mind speakers only there is another option. Also comestics may not be the best but here goes: you CAN set up a car radio in the house. You will need a 12 volt power supply . You can buy a regulated 12 V power supply a radio shack or place like it. You will need speakers which you can buy or maybe you have some lying around. You will need to rig up an antenna it can be as simple as an old wire coat hanger or you can get a car antenna. As far as comestics if your handy you could build a wooden box and enclose it all as if installed in a car dash. This option opns up a possible low cost AM Stereo car radio you could look for in a junk yard. -----Original Message----- From: John P. Sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:32:15 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Home Tuners: AM Stereo Tuners In reply to the gentleman inquiring about an audiophile AM stereo tuners - still in production: on the affordable end is Jeff's tuner at $100, and at the high end ($1400-1800) is the Fanfare FTA-100 tuner. You can also obtain a used MCS tuner if you don't need the expanded AM band above 1620KHz, or (with varying degrees of quality) the Radio Shack TM-152. An automotive AMS tuner from Chrysler or Delco is also a good choice. I will say that the Fanfare tuner is truly top-notch, and I highly recommend it. I believe someone on this list liked it so well that they bought two of them, so that should tell you how great these tuners are. Be sure to go to the Fanfare Electronics website to listen to the over-the-air AM stereo samples. Contact me off-list if you have any questions. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@mpcinternet.net Wed Jan 25 16:07:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: SRS0+rxPT+34+mpcinternet.net=stodd@cpinternet.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85099 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 00:07:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 00:07:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpinternet.com) (209.240.224.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 00:07:04 -0000 Received: from stodd (unverified [64.61.212.249]) by cpinternet.com (SurgeMail 3.6a) with ESMTP id 46848356 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:06:50 -0600 CST Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c6220d$43010f60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:12:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 2, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 64.61.212.249 X-Originating-IP: 209.240.224.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Scott Todd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Dream AM convertor receiver for my Car X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=219846501; y=7lxtXrkytKDWpyc6llvHCNj_3DFBTdze1XYPQtcqfAZczSgcTwBH X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Whether or not such a converter would be made is entirely dependent upon demand, and unfortunately there isn't much. However, if you're handy with a soldering iron, you could change out the ceramic filter in the IF. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "kmoreen" > Anyone make a wide band AM radio that could be mounted to the car > windshield with suction cups, has its own antenna, is powered from a > cigarette lighter and has a line level out? > > My AM radio has the worse BW that I refuse to listen to it. Would it > be possible to find a add in radio and if so how much would it cost? > Is it even possible to make a radio with good reception and bandwidth > in this type of configuration? > > Please let me know what you think. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 25 18:17:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83306 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 02:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 02:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.212) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 02:17:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 63519 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 02:16:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimu1qk1c5bfjl) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.143.64.116 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 02:16:57 -0000 Message-ID: <000801bf5522$fdc246c0$b174fea9@jimu1qk1c5bfjl> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 05:12:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Good news the one in the vally is still on!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=1oxIj23oSzWmXXku2MuiLZbtYeMgWluVNQcQ9X_eFwwDPh6EoYOTM3pkppmYXbw3Kr8DFbJJ X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Folks Well i guess KCBC AM STEREO 770 was working on there stuff. Because they were back on as of today 1-26-2006. Sad thing is thats the only one here in the valley that i can get dering day time hours. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]